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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – While We’re Waiting

05/30/2013

This is about Justice For Travis, nothing more, nothing less.

Saddened to see how far off-track this is getting.  Stoking the flames serves no purpose.

I do try to give folks the benefit of the doubt…I give a great deal of leeway.  Heck, I’m even guilty of jumping the gun!  I’ve tried nicely to let folks have their say, even if, of a dissenting opinion.

To keep harping on one poster who has apparently disappeared for the time being is futile and they will be banned on next confrontation.

The job is hard enough; don’t make it harder.

This is about Justice For Travis, nothing more, nothing less.

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  1. MMD
    05/30/2013 at 5:43 pm

    Donchais, I don’t understand. What are we doing wrong? I know I went off topic the other day about another trial but can you be a bit more specific about what you mean today please. Sometimes I can be really clueless. Thank you.

  2. donchais
    05/30/2013 at 5:46 pm

    A poster who has pissed a ton of people off…with judgement and arbitrary statements.

    We’re all just antsy waiting to see what happens here!

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 5:56 pm

      Thank you. I know who you mean. I thought you were referring to what we were just talking about currently at the bottom of the page.

      • donchais
        05/30/2013 at 5:59 pm

        Hard to be the sandbox monitor at times…sorry for blowing off some steam!

      • MMD
        05/30/2013 at 6:02 pm

        A rant is good for the soul and so much better than letting it fester inside you!!!! After all, you indulge all our rants and we appreciate it! Love ya darlin’ xoxoxo

    • John
      05/30/2013 at 7:44 pm

      Hi all, please remember in with anger; out with love. Donchais is provided valued information and a service, lets remain focused. Kind regards John

      • Jill
        05/30/2013 at 7:56 pm

        Nice reminder, John. Ty!

    • Lisa M
      05/31/2013 at 12:20 am

      If you’re talking about Jay, he actually wasnt all that bad. At least not all the time. I had a couple of decent exchanges with him. Sometimes people do speculate a little bit too much on this site IMO. Jay may have hit and run but he was a little bit frustrated. I don’t think any one person necessarily should have the last word, especially when it comes to human behavior, no matter how much you’ve studied it. We all have something to offer because we’re all human. I appreciate everything I’ve learned from this site and the people I’ve come into contact with. Thanks Donchais for all you do for victims and I hope you find the strength to continue covering this trial. I know you will, but I don’t think I have anything constructive to add to this site anymore. Call it burnout! So I’m gonna say sayonara… At least for now.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/31/2013 at 2:10 am

        Trial wise, this is a down time that has created space to either explore areas of the case or vent about the case. You always questioned assumptions and engaged in discussions. This is a challenging time for this sandbox since the temptation to leave must already exist in others. However- to make a leap in the imagination to truly empathize with Travis’s family – and therefore relay suppo to them, perhaps a purpose is served.by hanging nearby, stopping in, keeping tuned in. Lisa M no sayonara! Maybe a “say a more a”?

  3. 05/30/2013 at 5:50 pm

    Donchais..Thanks for all the work you do making this site possible…

    • donchais
      05/30/2013 at 5:52 pm

      Thanks!

      • Jill
        05/30/2013 at 5:53 pm

        Yes, Ty, as usual. :)

  4. Jill
    05/30/2013 at 5:52 pm

    Hi Melanie, Ty for the info.
    And, MMD, sorry if I misunderstood, I thought that when you said, “…all I kept getting was a recording of “this content is currently unavailable”. “, that you couldn’t leave a comment.

    If anyone else wants to leave a comment for Lifetime to express their disappointment with the jodi arias movie they are planning to play before the penalty trial is even through, you can go to http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/lifetime-movie-network and scroll down to the bottom to “contact us”, then click on “submit feedback”.

    Does anyone know if wobo is making money on this movie? It seems like Lifetime would have to get her permission to use her name in the title and in the movie. Not sure how these things work…

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/30/2013 at 6:10 pm

      Wobo is now in the public realm so she needn’t give permission for anyone to say anything about her or exploit “her” as much as they want. Trials leave a public transcript of what people say under oath and can be used “fairly.” What can’t be used are names, faces, works by other Arias family members who are not in the public eye. They would have to be paid and consent gotten. My guess is that this particular film used only the public information.

      • Jill
        05/30/2013 at 8:13 pm

        Ty!

  5. Jill
    05/30/2013 at 5:55 pm

    Nancy, my heart is with you. I can’t believe what happened to your husband. Ty for sharing and I hope you feel him with you in your heart everyday!

  6. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/30/2013 at 6:03 pm

    Nancy–Good to see you back, read you, and think about what you wrote. Thanks for taking the time to be so express a series of related thoughts.

    I’m caught in a few ringers here: I agree on your evaluation on the jury failure – and it was a failure. I don’t like all the interviews, and talk of the “hard work” they did and act as if
    they had done a great job. Its the media disease- like the common cold – and its symptoms are the assumption and acknowledgement of fame for an undefined and vague, reason.

    I wanna say to them: Other people for the “people” (Miss Mitigate aside) did “their” job; yours was to talk and persuade and define amongst yourselves and reach a consensus.That’s your job..The whole concept of assuming the conscience of the community, and following the law, has obviously been thrown out the window by you! It’s now “how do YOU “feel” about this?

    Well, maybe the idea of ANOTHER group deciding appealed to them.

    . Or maybe the vote of 8-4 means that she shouldn’t get the DP for “whatever” reason because 4 of them said so. Every moral act as Kierkegaard used to say, involves a choice when one gets right down to it. A moral (or social) principle is going to have been formed based on other considerations of other principles by an individual. It’s circular. Someone ALWAYS has a ‘reason’ for acting a certain way. If the jury had done their job, then we could do ours and accept it for such.

    Now Wormi, Gidget ,Miss Mit ,and the rest, get on another gravy train at the expense of “the people” in an attempt to ram one point of view down another group’s resistance. At what cost? For whose benefit? How does this serve justice?

    I wish OBSERVER were here and could talk as an Arizonian.Another thing, Robin on praising Batman: How is not doing one’s job a “heroic” act?

  7. Anna
    05/30/2013 at 6:04 pm

    oh dearie me, i hope i’m not the bad poster….just testing here mmkay….

  8. Anna
    05/30/2013 at 6:05 pm

    oh goodie…hey Janeto, here’s a pink bucket for you hun! :)

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/30/2013 at 6:14 pm

      Hi Anna! janeto recovered ‘cept for some bits in places only wobo talks about.
      Was trying to recall–your son or daughter – call our Man double-O;Juan?

      • Anna
        05/30/2013 at 6:20 pm

        double-o-Juan?

      • Anna
        05/30/2013 at 6:22 pm

        what do you mean Janeto recovered? I’ve been out of the backyard for like a few hours okay?

  9. Anna
    05/30/2013 at 6:20 pm

    why am i the only one always off topic here…? Jill, i’ve already started a list. Roberto, what are you doing over there, man? MMD ignores me now. Think she hated the movie i recommended….i do truly want to be a nice poster but sometimes rude gets in the way of words….or mis-interpreted words. Sorry donchais, not trying to add to your stress but just trying to make humor…..which is very hard right now….yes, we’re all on pins & needles right now. Thinking back to the Honeymooners: “Pins and needles, needles and pins, a happy man is a man that grins.” or, as i like to say, fool yourself with a smile….it fools others, too!

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 6:35 pm

      I don’t ignore you darlin’ :roll: You drop in and I go to reply to you and you have disappeared and all that’s left is a Rascal Flatts video and no Anna!!! I would never ever ignore you :shock:

      • Anna
        05/30/2013 at 7:12 pm

        gee, that’s not a very good cv, is it….sorry MMD…but i think you know me…

      • Anna
        05/30/2013 at 7:14 pm

        i.e. a bit on the flighty side…but tryin’ real hard to remain calm and even keeled….yays!!! :wink:

    • Jill
      05/30/2013 at 8:08 pm

      Anna,
      Thats funny….I’m just as confused as you with some of the references people do back and forth, sometimes. If you miss out on the posts for awhile, sometimes you miss some jokes and then later they don’t make sense. That’s why it’s important for us to do our homework and read what we missed. Lol.
      Btw, I like your quotes.
      Also….Don’t work too hard on the “list” because I have enough from the last couple days to last us a few years. So, just the ones you thought were extraordinary! Ty

      • Anna
        05/31/2013 at 8:11 am

        Jill :
        Anna,
        Thats funny….I’m just as confused as you with some of the references people do back and forth, sometimes. If you miss out on the posts for awhile, sometimes you miss some jokes and then later they don’t make sense. That’s why it’s important for us to do our homework and read what we missed. Lol.
        Btw, I like your quotes.
        Also….Don’t work too hard on the “list” because I have enough from the last couple days to last us a few years. So, just the ones you thought were extraordinary! Ty

        Hey, I already made a list….it’s very long but it could last until she’s 16 maybe. :) Top of the mornin’ to ya up there!

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 9:48 am

        Great, can’t wait to see it. Maybe I’ll lock her up in a room with the movies until she’s an adult, then it will b smooth sailing thru the teen years.

  10. MMD
    05/30/2013 at 6:24 pm

    nyccowgirl posted this on the last thread and I think it is important to bring over.

    Unprecedented Domestic Violence Study Affirms Need to Recognize Male Victims

    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/5/prweb10741752.htm

  11. MMD
    05/30/2013 at 6:27 pm

    Just a reminder that Dr. Drew is doing a show on stalking tonight. Here is the blurb for those that might be interested.

    Tonight: Dr. Drew On Call special ‘Stalked!’
    By Dr. Drew staff
    Thu May 30, 2013

    What kind of person is more prone to becoming a stalker? Have you become the victim of the most recent type of stalking … cyberstalking? And what made Jodi Arias a different type of stalker?

    HLN’s Dr. Drew and stalking expert Michelle Ward discuss these topics and much more on the Dr. Drew On Call special “Stalked!” Thursday night at 9 p.m. ET only on HLN!

  12. Ci Ci's Cirlce
    05/30/2013 at 7:06 pm

    Boy does Juror #17 hit that nail on the head when she answers this question! Shows how close their thoughts were to ours:

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    @tarakelley320 Do you want to tell us more about your theory now? Take a few tweets and expand upon it if you would like. #17WAT

    Tara Kelley @tarakelley320
    @WildAboutTrial I believe on May 26, Travis was trying to break it off completely with Jodi! She got mad and threatened him with the sex tape! He started calling her those names b/c he thought if he did she would finally leave him alone, especially when he said u r the worst thing that ever happened to me! He was hoping that would make her stop! It only made her really mad knowing he no longer wanted her! She couldn’t take it! She planned the burglary and started planning his death!She wanted to make sure she was the last he ever had sexually!She wanted that power of knowing she was his last

    • Anonymous
      05/31/2013 at 12:52 pm

      Yes juror 17, my thoughts exactly. I wish she had been part of the final 12. Wonder of ant of them considered that Travis wrote those words out of anger, trying to get rid of JA?? She wasn’t emotional or verbally abused. Who travels 1,000 miles to visit their abuser?? Doesn’t make sense!!

      • 06/03/2013 at 12:34 am

        Agree 100%!!!! Tara Kelley should come play in the sandbox with us. She thinks exactly like many of us. Also, Her answers were honest and to the point which is a nice change from what we are used to.

  13. janeto
    05/30/2013 at 7:42 pm

    Sorry mom. Hanging my head…Going to the naughty corner now. :arrow: :cry:

  14. ringadingding
    05/30/2013 at 7:46 pm

    More on Nancy’s astute observations re: the 85,000 emails/texts. Wow. You know, I’ve always suspected that they didn’t have nearly the degree of in-person relationship that the trial (and JA) would have everyone believe. And you’re right, that many messages suggest a great deal of “where are you?” and “what are you doing now?” exchanges. Despite her claims of brilliance, she does not strike me as a great conversationalist. Except for sexy talk, what else is did they have in common? **cough**cough** Religion? Does anyone know the general content for all those communications?

    • Family of Law
      05/30/2013 at 8:01 pm

      Hey Ringading- I completely agree with you (and Nancy, your post on previous page was so right on point! Thank you!). Co-workers of JA have said that she wouldn’t even come inside from her car until she was able to reach him- and while at work, would endlessly check her phone. She had a loooong leash on him. Has anyone ever seen a breakdown of who texted whom more? I’d lay odds, that JA was 10-1! Was it in front of the jury that she would leave work and drive to Mesa for a “booty call” then be at work the following day? Or is that only known by us?

      • Jill
        05/30/2013 at 8:21 pm

        I’m surprised that we don’t see more of her former coworkers come forth.
        I wonder if the texts are available anywhere to find out. If they were all put into evidence, then is that now public? I’m not sure how that works.
        Not sure if that driving to Mesa after work was heard by jury or not. I don’t even remember that.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 8:57 am

        ROL – That is only known to us.

  15. 05/30/2013 at 7:50 pm

    Gotta go to work…just popping in to say… see that purple spade over there? That’s mine…. do NOT touch it! It will bite! And don’t pick the bling out of the “Syndigz” either; took hours to do that **wigglng index finger**

    ***waves*** see ya’s all laterz :D

    • Family of Law
      05/30/2013 at 7:52 pm

      You have skills that I don’t choose to mess with, I will put “crime tape” around your area, to keep out intruders.

      • 05/30/2013 at 8:04 pm

        LOL!! how thoughtful! and I love it!! now stop making me late :P

    • janeto
      05/30/2013 at 7:58 pm

      :lol: mine is the Blue one!

      • 05/30/2013 at 8:06 pm

        how appropriate! and does it turn green sometimes? ;)

      • janeto
        05/30/2013 at 8:08 pm

        Shhhh you!!! That’s my secret! (Only green when using my phone)

    • Anna
      05/31/2013 at 8:09 am

      my, aren’t we picky about who uses your spade (or shovel as we say here…) while you’re working away… lol I have a blue sandcastle bucket that i’m saving for later…maybe i’ll share…

  16. Family of Law
    05/30/2013 at 7:50 pm

    Melanie? Are you here? Thank you for posting the Lifetime link! I went into comments and wrote a “plea” to them, asking to please consider the Alexander family’s pain and suffering, and in fairness to their hope for justice, to please consider shelving the movie until a new jury has been empaneled. I really don’t think they care about anything but the ratings, but it’s worth a try.

    • janeto
      05/30/2013 at 8:02 pm

      Good for you! I will do the same FOL! Couldn’t hurt! :)

      • Family of Law
        05/30/2013 at 8:06 pm

        We need “Operation Bubbles”! :-)

    • Lisa M
      05/30/2013 at 11:20 pm

      Does anyone really watch Lifetime anyway? I think they lost any ounce of credibility they might have had (very little to begin with) with that Liz and Dick movie.

      • 05/31/2013 at 10:41 am

        That was incredibly lame, Lisa. How could Lohan have been upset that people laughed at her performance? I lasted about 30 minutes and then I could stand no more. Their “reality” shows, apart from Project Runway, are terrible. Dance Moms is particularly heinous!

    • Douglme
      05/30/2013 at 11:24 pm

      Yes, I am now and you are welcome. I think everyone should let them know it is not a good idea to show that movie until the penalty phase is decided.

  17. janeto
    05/30/2013 at 7:55 pm

    What I would like to know is WHY didn’t anyone (besides one behavior expert on Dr. Drew) of the jury even mention that WOHO just MIGHT be a danger to society if she ever gets out? I’ve thought that all along but its never mentioned by a juror on why they think she should get the d.p. To me that is my MAIN reason to give her the d.p. I’ve not once heard even Juan mention that. Just venting!

    • Jill
      05/30/2013 at 8:24 pm

      If only they could have known that she had a gun, knives and another rental car when she was arrested!
      I don’t know anything about the legal system, but so many things that I thought were completely relevant were called “prejudicial” and not allowed.

      • janeto
        05/30/2013 at 8:52 pm

        Totally agree! Just show the criminals have more rights than victims!

  18. 05/30/2013 at 8:02 pm

    by the way NancyB welcome back! :D

    .. copied your post to read later. At first scan you are expanding on a number of things I’ve been throwaway commenting on of late regarding the situation surrounding the :no verdict” verdict.

    Plus the point of the 85000 emails also pulls into question just how much physical and how much was in Jodi’s mind alone of the ‘sex’ was taking place. It sounded so much like fantasy sex to me/ Especially the one where she says she wants a ‘facial’ or we could just “grind” that is quite a difference and shows she is trying to get more from him but as usual with her hedging modus operandi “or we could just grind”

    Forgive me if you expanded on that too.. as I said ….at this stage I’ve not had time to read it properly or play catch up.

    • 05/30/2013 at 8:11 pm

      should add.. that ‘grinding’ versus the very different “facial” txt is a really good example of mind game modus operandi with him (psychological and emotional manipulation through her sexuality) dirty slut vs lil miss innocent in the one sentence.

    • Anonymous
      05/30/2013 at 8:20 pm

      Syntara…#40:”Plus the point of the 85000 emails also pulls into question just how much physical and how much was in Jodi’s mind alone of the ‘sex’ was taking place. It sounded so much like fantasy sex to me/ Especially the one where she says she wants a ‘facial’ or we could just “grind” that is quite a difference and shows she is trying to get more from him but as usual with her hedging modus operandi “or we could just grind” … EXACTLY!!!!!

    • Ginger
      05/30/2013 at 9:24 pm

      Her story of the Travis getting out of he car and having sex and throwing a tolberone was redicoulous!

  19. SeniorMoments
    05/30/2013 at 10:14 pm

    I was just reading a report on Joran Van der Sloot and the fact that he has fathered a child in prison with a prison social worker who has privileges with him! This is the kind of thing that infuriates me and makes me fearful of similar situations with JA. The idea that she could manipulate guards, social workers or anyone else to gain special privileges makes me sooooo angry. And listening to her go on and on about things she could do to “contribute” while in prison! I don’t want her to have enough contact with other prisoners to accomplish any of them except to grow her hair! I really don’t care if she doesn’t get death if the life term she gets prevents her from being the social butterfly she’s been at Estrella.

    • Jill
      05/30/2013 at 10:18 pm

      Omg, I can’t believe that. I didn’t know that.
      That would b just like wobo to actually “plan” something like that.

      • Jill
        05/30/2013 at 10:50 pm

        Good night! Sweet dreams.

    • janeto
      05/30/2013 at 10:23 pm

      My big fear also! Just another reason not to keep her around! Don’t want another demon spawn running around!!!!! Please, no conjugal visits or guards!!!!!!

      • janeto
        05/30/2013 at 10:48 pm

        Night all. Sandman is calling. Zzzzz

      • Jill
        05/30/2013 at 10:51 pm

        Oops, wrong spot…

        Good night, Janeto, sweet dreams.

    • Lisa M
      05/30/2013 at 11:18 pm

      Seriously? Omg I hadn’t heard that? The prison where Joran is though is known for that sort of thing. I forget which South American country he’s serving time in but they said before that prostitutes would visit the prisoners. I’ll

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 9:08 am

      I can sooooooooo see JA manipulating a guard for favours :-( That’s why when Syn was talking about a list of things to do and not to do when contacting JA, #1 on my list was for the correctional officers or whoever to keep their pants zipped!!!!!!!

      • Kathy A.
        06/03/2013 at 12:17 pm

        You’re so right, and I expect that it won’t be too long after she’s finally sentenced that we start hearing about her filing sexual harassment or sexual assault charges against the guards. Especially if they aren’t enchanted enough by her presence or don’t do what she wants.

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 9:23 am

      Just read that Joran Van der Sloot is getting married in early June in Peru. Wow, does she have bad taste in men! Conjugals are allowed in that prison but I think all visits are non contact in AZ.

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 10:03 am

        Imagine being Natalie holloways mom and dad or the parents of stephany flores, and hearing this news. Their baby is gone and her killer is having fun making babies and getting married in jail.

        This stupid girl that wants to marry him has no brains. What is wrong with peope? A guy connected to two dead girls? Unfortuntaly, she will eventually b the third.

  20. Lisa M
    05/30/2013 at 11:14 pm

    I’m watching an episode of The Alfred Hitchcock Hour– love these old shows– and it’s about a father who decides to act as his son’s defense lawyer. His son has killed someone and his father blames himself for not being a great father. Before he decides to defend him, the father goes to a defense attorney, who tells him the evidence against his son is pretty strong. The father insists that if the jury hears about what a terrible father he was they’ll be lenient with his son, prompting the defense attorney to say, “But you can’t substitute theatrics for evidence!” Oh, no?

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 8:22 am

      Exactly!!! I thought you were going to stick with simply ‘Lisa’ but you’re back to Lisa M????

  21. Irie Girl
    05/31/2013 at 12:02 am

    Thank you all for your support the other day. I was glad to be able to share but I then I needed a break from it all. This is a wonderful sand box. Thank you for sharing it.

    • Jill
      05/31/2013 at 5:22 am

      Hi Irie, I’m glad that u shared, too. I’m sorry for what u went thru. I’m happy u r alive and safe. I can’t begin to imagine how u feel watching someone fake dv after what u have been thru. To add insult to injury, she tells victims that its ok to stay, but just make sure to document. How many women might take that advice and stay one time too many, then not be able to document because they r dead?

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 8:14 am

      Yes it is a wonderful sandbox plus a great place to share. Everyone is so supportive and it is a terrific group of people!!!

      We are only as good as the sum of our parts and the graciousness of the president of Donchais University. She keeps the riff raff away :grin:

  22. Kristy
    05/31/2013 at 12:06 am

    I hate the idea of tv caring about their own $$$ in front of justice. Just sickens me.

    I do feel that Juan took into consideration the fact that it could be hung during penalty phase. He’s too smart to think otherwise, and I bet he wasn’t surprised in the least at the Jodi media blitz. Shoot, she did 2 major interviews prior to trial. Juan knows what he’s dealing with.

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 8:18 am

      I agree with you Kristy. I’m sure that he had someone from his office keeping a close eye on the jury and their reactions and probably would have pegged the foreman as being sucked in by ALV by his nodding, and JA. Whoever it was would not have been as obvious as the MS but probably someone sitting in the gallery or for that matter, could have been Det. Flores.

  23. nyccowgirl
    05/31/2013 at 12:23 am

    closing and moving tomorrow so have to get motivated to pack although it is so tempting to get lost in the sandbox. thought the following was interesting – coincidence or copycat wobo at it again?

    http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/family/nancy_kissel/7.html

    ciao!

    • 05/31/2013 at 4:13 am

      Robert Kissel was murdered in 2003 and his brother Andrew, was murdered in Conn. in 2006..

      • nyccowgirl
        05/31/2013 at 9:59 am

        wicked. why was his bro murdered?

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 9:19 am

      I remember those cases. I think Dominick Dunne, who I really miss, did a story on both brothers.

    • 05/31/2013 at 10:48 am

      Didn’t Nancy Kissel recently have her appeal rejected? I read a book about the Kissels and it was fascinating. It sounds like Nancy richly deserves to be exactly where she is for stupidity alone, LOL. Imagine asking maintenance men to take your dead husband who was wrapped up in a carpet to your storage locker. Yeah, Nancy, good plan! Especially since it was a few days after she murdered him and he had begun to decompose. Ugh. She tried to hide it with peppermint oil (insert eye roll here).

  24. 05/31/2013 at 12:41 am

    MMD, thank you for your non-answer answer from previous page. It did not fall on deaf ears. Nice to know someone noticed.

    Hmmm non-verdict verdict, non-answer answer – how productive. Smile

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 8:04 am

      YW – sometimes, things get lost in the shuffle but it is not because you are being ignored :-)

      • Anna
        05/31/2013 at 8:14 am

        no, i’m the one who gets ignored!!! ;P just kiddin’ hun

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 8:59 am

        :roll:

  25. 05/31/2013 at 1:49 am

    Is JA’s ex Bobby dead or alive? If alive, where is he? has anyone heard from him since her arrest, conviction?

    • 05/31/2013 at 4:17 am

      I’m surprised Bobby or Matt M haven’t been interviewed..

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 5:46 am

        I know. It’s hard to believe that no one has hunted down Bobby. I’d love to hear what he has to say about wobo.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 8:02 am

        MM has been interviewed and I think because of the forged pedo letters JM put the fear of God into him and threatened to charge him with perjury if he even thought about testiphoning for the defense.

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 8:00 am

      Just had a reply written and it disappeared :shock:

      OK Chris Stark tracked down Bobby Juarez and he is alive and was living in Hawaii, She spoke to him, has his address and phone # and he HATES, HATES JA and has been trying to sell his story. FACT Last I heard, he was trying to work out a deal with the Enquirier (RUMOUR)

      • ringadingding
        05/31/2013 at 9:30 am

        Oh wow!

      • 05/31/2013 at 9:48 am

        I think that would be super juicy. Ooh would Wobo be upset. I wonder if the strong arm of Wobo/Donoman can reach across the waters.

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 9:55 am

        Maybe chris can give bubble his contact info. Bubble will have fun with that.

  26. nyccowgirl
    05/31/2013 at 2:14 am
    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 8:09 am

      What a nice idea and I wish they would do more press on TA.

  27. 05/31/2013 at 5:29 am

    Recall effort of sheriff Arpaio failed..

    • Jill
      05/31/2013 at 5:34 am

      Hi, what recall effort?

      • 05/31/2013 at 5:49 am

        Some group,” Respect Arizonia” tried to recall him yesterday and it failed.(.I could be wrong about the name of the group)

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 8:08 am

        Jill do you ever sleep? You are on here at night and in the middle of the night? Plus during the day. Where are you located????

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 8:43 am

        Hi MMD, u r funny! I am in NV. I try to sleep, but I have a lot on my mind and insomnia. I can usually fall asleep but a few hours later, I’m wide awake with my mind racing! My iPad has been a blessing to me.
        I used to be up all night, but now I use my iPad and it helps distract my mind and I usually fall back asleep within an hour. That’s why u might notice I start a conversation, and then disappear. Lol.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 8:50 am

        That’s where I thought you were but I couldn’t get your posting hours to jive (insert confused emo). So in other words, you are totally with us here on the dark side. :grin:

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 9:01 am

        Lol, yes I am.

        I know that you have said it before, but I can’t keep everyone’s homes straight…where r u at again?

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 9:12 am

        I’m on the east coast of Canada in PEI and on Atlantic Time so it is now 10:12 a.m.

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 9:40 am

        Oh sorry, how could I forget…..u were giving me the geography lesson. When I googled PEI, it was so beautiful! It looks like a place of innocence in times gone by.

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 8:06 am

      It seems he truly answers to no one!!! I used to have a lot of respect for him, now, not so much. ;-)

      • Anna
        05/31/2013 at 8:19 am

        Ditto. imho, I think he dropped the ball and couldn’t figure out where the end zone went….sometimes stress can be a beach. But on the other hand, who gets to deal with jodie everyday? yucko

        I hope the Alexander Family is doing as well as possible!!! You are why we are here! :) Travis Rocks (or Country & Westerns…you pick)!

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 8:53 am

      geri – you’re correct with the recall group name.

  28. MMD
    05/31/2013 at 8:20 am

    Anna darlin’ you do NOT get ignored!!! :roll: Plus you haven’t given us any gems of your streams of consciousness lately! WTH???????

    • Anna
      05/31/2013 at 8:23 am

      the stream is clogged?

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 8:26 am

      So what have you been up to lately darlin’ since you’re stream is clogged???? :lol:

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 8:26 am

        :rolls: your

      • Anna
        05/31/2013 at 8:29 am

        a clogged stream doesn’t sleep well? :shock:

  29. Anna
    05/31/2013 at 8:22 am

    [[[sorry, Syn….what is this thing and I hope you’re no where near it: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/giant-flourescent-pink-slugs-140528983.html%5D%5D%5D

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 8:25 am

      gross and they’re 8 inches long. They may be a bright colour but there are 100’s of them. Yuck!!!!!!!

      • Anna
        05/31/2013 at 8:26 am

        i know, right! any color would be bad here….ack!

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 8:29 am

        Did ya notice that they even have cannibal snails there as well?

      • Anna
        05/31/2013 at 8:30 am

        leave it to ozzie land to find such creatures….lol

    • 05/31/2013 at 10:38 am

      Wow!!! How cool are those !!! Long as the stay over there on the mountain I’m happy to have em here but probably prefer them a little smaller they remind me of giant terrestrial nudibranchs. I love nudibranchs! My favourite part of diving is nudibranch spotting.

  30. MMD
    05/31/2013 at 8:35 am

    Just read on AZ.com that Gidget has a conflict with July 18th so that date will likely have to be moved back. I know that JM starts another major case the end of July. This could go on for quite some time. :-(

  31. Anna
    05/31/2013 at 8:35 am

    obedy kaybidy….kind of a repeat but this time with Jimmy Buffet who looks quite out of it if you ask me….but what do i know….wish i could go thru the world sans shoes, but whatever…plz if you like guitar riffs listen to the end part….or not, you choose!

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 8:44 am

      Didn’t you show the video of this before? See I pay attention!!

      Personally I think Jimmy Buffet always looks a tad bit out of it – must be life in the Keys and that wacky tabaccky. Whatever floats his boat :-)

      • Anna
        05/31/2013 at 8:58 am

        yes my dear, but not this vid with the stoned Buffet….gotta give him some credit tho i guess for being his own brand of wacky…or not…you’re just jealous that you have to wear shoes….lol

    • Douglme
      06/01/2013 at 12:41 am

      That was great, Anna! Thanks!

  32. Anna
    05/31/2013 at 8:51 am

    If I could, this is what I would do for the Alexander Family & Friends & every nice person here ( :) ):

  33. Anna
    05/31/2013 at 9:00 am

    hey MMD, am i scaring everyone away from the sandpit? Seems it’s just you and me here….echo,,,,

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 9:10 am

      I think Jill fell back asleep :-)

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 9:41 am

        Rofl…that’s only in the middle of the night. It’s 6:40 am here, time to rise and shine.

    • 05/31/2013 at 9:10 am

      Hi there, Anna.. And MMD… I always enjoy both of your posts, vids and links. I’m more of a shy lurker. Just want you to know you’re appreciated.
      ***crickets*******

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 9:14 am

        Hi Deco – I think Anna has disappeared but Jill is still around and upstairs. Why are you a shy lurker – we don’t bite I promise!!! :grin:

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 9:43 am

        Hi Deco, I remember that I always enjoy reading your posts!

  34. Anna
    05/31/2013 at 9:05 am

    welp, I gotta go get things done, for the love of pity….but you know I’ll be baaaack. luv you guys….and thanks donchais & all for putting up with my bad self….

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 9:10 am

      come back soon Anna :grin:

  35. Anonymous
    05/31/2013 at 9:33 am

    Hi, Donchais! My last two comments didn’t post and I don’t know why…am I in moderation because I did something wrong? TYIAFYR (thank you in advance for your reply).

    • donchais
      05/31/2013 at 9:44 am

      Nothing wrong…WP get wonky with ‘anonymous’ I think.

  36. Jill
    05/31/2013 at 9:55 am

    Bubble, r u around?

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 10:05 am

      I think that Captain Bubble is on a secret mission and I wish he would let us in on it :shock:

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 10:06 am

        I just hope he’s being smart.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 10:14 am

        or he could just be buzzed out from dental work he had followed by pain pills and beer with a straw. With the captain, ya never know :-)

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 10:37 am

        Lol. Yes, you do never know with him. He’s a riot! Just hope he’s alright.

  37. 05/31/2013 at 10:00 am
    • Jill
      05/31/2013 at 10:05 am

      Ty! Wish he could come play in the sandbox!

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 10:10 am

        Never will Jill, he wants to sell his story!!! ;-) kinda speaks volumes about his character doesn’t it!

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 10:35 am

        I wonder what he’s waiting for?

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 10:09 am

      She’s got all kinds of juicy stuff on the trial and I have found her info to be extremely reliable. The only problem is because I’m not on twitter and refuse to be, if I don’t happen to see it in one of her posts, I can’t get on to her favourites where she puts everything JA related.

      • 05/31/2013 at 10:31 am

        I’m not on twitter, FB, eyed so I’m kinda lost. However…did a search and found you can view Chris Stark’s twitter page and expand each conversation, my lingo I’m sure is off. Check it out.

        https://mobile.twitter.com/stark3923

  38. 05/31/2013 at 10:35 am

    Check this out also. Chris Stark’s profile page on Twitter. Didn’t spend much time but there’s a link to PP’s photos.

    • 05/31/2013 at 10:35 am

      Oopsies. Forgot the link

      http://twtrland.com/profile/stark3923

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 10:56 am

        You’re better than I am – I was just using this link https://twitter.com/stark3923 and keeping an eye on what she posted during the trial.

      • 05/31/2013 at 11:03 am

        Bowing down in humility….

        Nah I’m a nobody. I sure hope I never do anything of mega proportion. It’s there for the world to see. There is no hiding.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 12:03 pm

        That’s for sure. Once it’s on the net, there’s no going back. That’s why I refuse to go on Twitter or FaceBook!

  39. 05/31/2013 at 10:41 am

    Awhile back there was discussion re timeline and texts between TA/JA. See the following beginning w the 4/13/13 article.

    http://globaljusticeseekers.wordpress.com/tag/travis-alexander/

    • Jill
      05/31/2013 at 10:54 am

      Wow, great find. Ty.
      I really wonder why travis was mad in one text on may 10, then the same day, did the phone sex.

  40. 05/31/2013 at 10:42 am

    Good evening all.. Anyone here?

  41. 05/31/2013 at 10:42 am

    Oops good morning soz completely forgor – scrambled brain :D

  42. 05/31/2013 at 10:47 am

    Good morning from me Syn! {{{{{waiving both arms so you can see me from over there}}}}}I’m here, in and out though. Have to work.

    • 05/31/2013 at 10:51 am

      :D yes I see ya!!! work yes I know it! gets in the way of sandboxing!

      • 05/31/2013 at 11:40 am

        Did you see my digital formation pointed at Estrella? Putting myself in the corner….

  43. 05/31/2013 at 10:49 am

    Ok Im guessing Heygirl, MMD and Jill are around see posts from you three sooo hurro to ya

    BG I finally found time to write something up on the Brewer Arias relationship if you are still interested?

    • 05/31/2013 at 10:54 am

      Pues como no! (but of course) sending smiles. (remember I try to throw in all that I’ve learned from you know who.)

      • 05/31/2013 at 11:00 am

        hahahah yeah.. ok will post it.. kinda long but I just went throught that vid and pretty much made notes from it. Hope it reads ok. It follows on from just the psych profile I did of Brewer originally from it. This is more the relationship

    • Jill
      05/31/2013 at 10:57 am

      Hi syn! I’m stuck reading some great stuff that brightgirl posted about the timeline of the texts between ja and ta.
      Be back soon.

      • 05/31/2013 at 11:06 am

        ooh I need to scroll back and read it too sounds interesting I just finished writing something about that actually in relation to the 26th May exchange.. just for my own research and really needed a txt timeline!

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 11:35 am

        Syn, the timeline link posted by brightgirl is currently post#147 at 10:41am.

  44. MMD
    05/31/2013 at 10:51 am

    Hi Syn I’m here. Just reading up on JM’s next trial. By the way, Gidget has a problem with the July 18th date so that will have to change, doncha know ;-) I thought they worked out all these dates well in advance :shock:

    • 05/31/2013 at 10:54 am

      OMG you are kidding.. what has Gidget got? an appointment for a new wig??? Anyhow thought she wanted to leave the case *nudge nudge wink wink* have you got a link to JM’s next trial I would like to see that is that the one Stephens has been appointed judge on as well?

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 11:01 am

        I don’t see where the judge is Stephens but here is the link from the reporter that we hate talking about the date. Since we know he is so pro defense, Gidget probably told him.

        http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/20130530county-murder-cases-flux.html

        The next trial is for Richard Chrisman, who was a local Police officer who killed an unarmed man and his dog in 2010 and it’s hard to find up to date info as it has already been postponed 8 times. Latest date is July 30th

      • 05/31/2013 at 11:07 am

        how is JM going to do both????

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 11:25 am

        Well the Jodie Arias penalty phase will probably be postponed because of Gidget and when it does happen it won’t be that long, maybe a couple of weeks. As for the other case, I don’t imagine that it will be a long case like this one, but in AZ, you never know ;-)

        Besides, I just happen to know that JM is a man of many, many talents so not to worry darlin’ :grin:

  45. 05/31/2013 at 10:54 am

    OK, I know I am incredibly dense this morning, but what does Wobo stand for? I know I’ll kick myself up and down when somebody tells me because it’s probably so obvious. The only redeeming thing I have ever learned about Arias is that she likes cats & has a picture of one in her cell. Speaking of cats, I am so excited. I am getting a little 7 week old baby today! They are bringing him to my office this afternoon after 1:00. He’s a wee little guy whose pregnant mom was rescued from the street and she had 6 little gray striped kittens. I have an 18 year-old cat and one that just turned 1. Sammy, the 1 year-old, is running poor Nigel, my 18 year-old ragged so I’m getting her a friend. It will be a fun weekend. Yee haw!

    • 05/31/2013 at 10:57 am

      Schaeffer coined Whore Of Babble On… and on and on.. I shortened it to Wobo for convenience and it’s stuck with a few peeps.

      awwww how cute.. grey with stripes Tiggers! :D and so nice to have a playmate for your young one..

      • 05/31/2013 at 11:15 am

        That’s hilarious! Thank you. It should be a fun weekend.

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 11:08 am

      Congrats on the new kitty. I have done the same thing with my dogs, 2 younger ones and one older (her partner in crime died a couple of years ago)

      This is for you darlin’. Enjoy. :-)

      • 05/31/2013 at 11:16 am

        Awwwwww! Thanks MMD.

      • dpforjodi
        06/02/2013 at 6:57 pm

        dear diary that is funny

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 11:35 am

      You’re not dense, ya probably wouldn’t have figured out Wobo in a million years. :-)

  46. 05/31/2013 at 11:02 am

    Brewer and Arias

    A whole other life = Her persona developed for Brewer.

    To ‘pull’ Brewer she had to turn into the dutiful little housewife. Out of it she got a house and a devoted adoring older man. A huge step up for her at the time.

    When she met Travis she quickly dropped this persona. She took to her natural hedonistic irresponsible ways with Brewer yet adopted the good little mormon girl for Travis.

    She thought she had found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow with PPL and Travis so she simply didn’t care about Brewer anymore.

    Brewer speaks of “the other side of Jodi” – if he cared to research into what she is he would find there are many ‘other’ sides to Jodi. Totally dependant on which persona she is pulling out of the hat to suit which guy or audience she is trying to impress.

    So blinded to her he didn’t even see her manipulative side so she never had the need to pull out the hatchet with Brewer he was totally enamoured with her and had (and still has) no clue what he was/is dealing with.

    She had the perfect little housewifey persona and no doubt the seductress in the bedroom. She had a social life with coworkers bowling camping. Brewer so besotted would have believed any excuse she gave for absences during trysts. After all he believed the “i don’t want sex because I’m becoming a mormon” spiel and allowed her to move into a separate bedroom and he accepted her “Don’t talk negatively” when he wanted her to pay her share of the bills after she couldn’t be bothered despite saying she was becoming a good mormon girl. Doesn’t quite go hand in hand but he doesn’t seem to have thought about it deeply enough to question it or if he did – he completely ignored it out of convenience.

    Arias would have been very happy with this situation she had a roof over her head, no responsibility and able to do whatever she wanted while she went about reeling in Travis. Pretending to be a interested in his faith, moving into a separate bedroom in the house she shared with her live-in lover. How impressed Travis must have been and how pleased with herself Arias must have been. Two men totally beguiled by her [contemporaneously].

    One accepting her ridiculous excuses for not paying the bills and moving into a separate bedroom; the other thinking how devoted to her new found faith she was by moving out of the bed she shared with her common-law spouse and sleeping in a separate room.

    In reality it was Arias dropping Brewer and the ‘housewife’ persona like a freshly baked hotcake. She no longer had a need for him so she created an untenable situation between them to justify her leaving and at the same time somehow duping Brewer into believing it was PPL and LDS church responsible for the change not Jodi herself.

    She dumped him good and proper. Very little correspondence with him, she stopped paying the bills – she just couldn’t be bothered with him anymore. She exorcised the dutiful housewife act and instantly took up the LDS/PPL personas.

    Brewer understandably shell shocked simply didn’t see it coming and looked for external factors as he grappled with the sudden change.

    He had no idea he was being used. No idea he was in a psychological and emotionally abusive relationship. No idea the “Jodi” he had fallen in love with and lived with for years even entrusted with his son actually never existed. This is a very hard thing for anyone to realise let alone fully accept but Brewer currently shows no interest in understanding it anyhow.

    Before his very eyes she dumped the persona she created for him and he could not fathom what was going on. Remarkably he even seems to have accepted her “we have to keep things positive we can’t talk about that” when he asked her to pay her share of the mortgage. Dutifully, it appears, he stopped asking and took it upon on himself to try to meet their combined responsibilities.

    This is very telling. Most men would have insisted she pay her share not accept some ‘magical’ thinking as he called it. He seems to have backed down and accepted it not stood up to her and pressed her. Maybe in hindsight this was a good thing. Had he done would he have been her first victim? Had he insisted she pay her share and held her accountable thus stopping her from pursuing her new interest – Travis – would her rage and desperation have built to a level where she would have plotted to kill Brewer? It can’t be ruled out.

    Brewer took her lies and manipulation at face value even though when scratched below the surface they were transparently obvious. She did not have her ‘brain scrambled’ by Brewer because he simply chose to believe the ridiculous excuses and justifications he was being fed. He didn’t want to create waves, he avoided conflict – which totally suited Jodi’s manipulative personality. She got away with whatever she wanted and no doubt loved every moment of it. It became her norm. She fully believed she could get her own way all the time and Brewer facilitated that thinking. She related a story of once not getting her way with Brewer and creating a situation of a veiled threat of suicide resulting in Brewer quickly backing down and stopping her from leaving the house.

    In his naïveté and need to believe in the illusion he loved, he thinks she can go back to being that. She can’t. That persona is gone dead and he needs to hold a funeral for it because that ‘person’ never existed.

    Then he even starts to say what she can ‘productively’ do behind bars but the male interviewer quickly interrupts as if stopping him from saying too much and revealing her mitigation speech. Who is that male interviewer who sporadically interjects and why did he choose that moment to divert Brewer to the day Jodi borrowed the gas cans?

    He then says he didn’t question why she wanted the gas cans – directly contradicting what he said in court. At least three contradictions on this subject his story about this is constantly changing.

    1. Reluctantly said she borrowed them to go to Mesa on stand
    2. Then still on the stand but after a break changed that to she borrowed them to go to Arizona not specifically Mesa.
    3. In this interview says he didn’t ask why she wanted them because it didn’t seem out of the ordinary in view of their camping history.

    He says he was stalled so he didn’t make it into court. Stalled by who? Logical guess is the defense team but he doesn’t elaborate nor [strangely] does either interviewer ask. He was there ready to testify on Thursday so why didn’t he testify Thursday.

    He says his face was not on camera when he first testified because it may have gotten back to his son. Somewhat ridiculous considering it’s hardly likely he could keep the fact that Jodi Arias (well known to his 14 year old) was on Trial for the Murder of Travis Alexander. He is playing games here and grabbing at an excuse he has heard elsewhere because it doesn’t make any sense.

    He said “I did not know Jodi was going to Mesa, Arizona” directly contradicting what he very reluctantly admitted on the stand. He is STILL lying about this one point and the reason is he knows it is so very important. Accessory after the fact morally… not legally because he did begrudgingly and briefly admit to it on the stand.

    He says she hasn’t had a fair trial because she spoke to the media from the start – well how is that not fair if SHE spoke to the media? That makes absolutely no sense at all at is part of his illogical thinking pertaining to her responsibility.

    He says he still loves Jodi Arias but no he is still ‘in love’ with Jodi Arias. Only being in love can lead to such complete denial about her and what she did to him then what she did to Travis. Brewer even feels guilt about it – well the only thing he should feel guilt about in any way is not seeing through her and allowing her to get away with so much while he was with her but even that is not his fault he saw what she intended him to see.

    All through her 20’s basically her whole first decade as an adult he (and others incidentals) allowed her to get her own way and expect to get her own way. The spoilt child turned into a spoilt adult so she completely lost it when Travis dared to stand up to her, confront her. How dare he? She was the great Jodi Arias! Nobody smites or trivialises Jodi Arias!

    Poor Brewer still thinks Jodi needs help, he still hasn’t bothered to find out anything about why she suddenly changed and why she committed an act very few humans are capable of thinking about let alone carrying out. Very likely he doesn’t want to know.

    • 05/31/2013 at 11:03 am

      Crap that’s longer than I anticipated. shoulda divided it into two! Sorry!!

      • 05/31/2013 at 11:13 am

        Long is not a problem. I actually like it when it’s all one. I will read when I get a chance. Thank you so much for your time.

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 11:18 am

      Poor Darryl – I don’t think that he is the sharpest knife in the drawer.

      I can answer who it was who was probably steering the questions on a couple of occasions – Michael Kiefer – the pro defense hack reporter – who was in the room and was the only other person who got an interview but it was a print interview.

      • 05/31/2013 at 11:25 am

        MMD that would make perfect sense!!! Good pick-up actually because he would have wanted that interview out there based on what has been said about him by Donchais, yourself and KCL.

        I would love to run a personality typing on Daryl to put it in colloquial terms he is very creepy. Controlled to an almost sinister degree.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 11:28 am

        Plus Darryl wanted his story out and contacted them. I just wonder who could have told him which reporters to contact????????????? :evil: Just another thing that makes you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm………………………………….

      • 05/31/2013 at 11:30 am

        plus whoever it is cuts Daryl off and diverts him at a crucial moment as if to stop him saying what he is about to and it’s pertaining to what she can contribute to the community in jail. This is only a day or so before her presentation… no doubt the information he is about to relay has been conveyed to him by Jodi or the defense and unknowingly and innocently Darryl was about to reveal what he knew and the reporter realised this and cut him off revealing that reporters bias and inside knowledge.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 11:31 am

        I found him really creepy, (clinical definition :-)) and he spoke in court and to the reporters in a monotone. And that tongue still sends shivers down my spine. To put it politely, YUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Beans
        05/31/2013 at 12:22 pm

        ‘poor Darryl – he isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer’ – no, he isn’t but I’m not feeling very charitable towards someone who has all the information they need right in front of them to understand what’s going on yet resolutely remains oblivious to it.

    • Beans
      05/31/2013 at 11:46 am

      Excellent piece Syn.

      • 05/31/2013 at 11:54 am

        oh thank you Beans.

    • Jill
      05/31/2013 at 3:41 pm

      Syn,
      As usual, superb!
      Can u come here and analyze me please?

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/31/2013 at 3:43 pm

      I think Darryl’s “problem” with wobo was that she had him by his neuticles. His first wife was not as “alluring: to him; probably didnt “please him” like wobo knew how to do, and he threw everything away to have “more’ of what he thought would be “forever’ and “for him.” Not the fiirst guy to make choices based on the “little head’ and probably not the last.

      • 05/31/2013 at 3:49 pm

        agreed.. older man younger siren his dream come true……. he adored her which is what she wanted and expected… she happily played housewifey for the interim. Plus she thought she would make a bunch of money from their “investment” but the PPL and foreclosure came along.

  47. 05/31/2013 at 11:10 am

    Because there’s so much on those links which can take you to so many places, how about if you let us all know what juicy bits you find…

  48. 05/31/2013 at 11:19 am

    Thanks heaps for that timeline BG… I have a huge failing with timelines… I have a head full of relatinships/personalities/behaviours/motives/modus operandis it’s just too crammed for timelines so to have that as a reference is incredibly helpful!

  49. MMD
    05/31/2013 at 11:33 am

    Syntara :
    plus whoever it is cuts Daryl off and diverts him at a crucial moment as if to stop him saying what he is about to and it’s pertaining to what she can contribute to the community in jail. This is only a day or so before her presentation… no doubt the information he is about to relay has been conveyed to him by Jodi or the defense and unknowingly and innocently Darryl was about to reveal what he knew and the reporter realized this and cut him off revealing that reporters bias and inside knowledge.

    Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!! :grin:

    • 05/31/2013 at 11:35 am

      which directly ties in with your deduction of who. going back to… It makes perfect sense! :D

  50. 05/31/2013 at 11:33 am

    MMD :
    Plus Darryl wanted his story out and contacted them. I just wonder who could have told him which reporters to contact????????????? Just another thing that makes you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm………………………………….

    ya and sooo many hmmmmmms in this twisted tale! every way you turn!

    lies, deceipt and games

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 11:36 am

      Yep and it all leads back to the defense and JA who is still running the show, although I kinda doubt she is enjoying her accommodations these days :grin:

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 11:39 am

      Yep and all at the expense of the poor Alexander family. I have no idea how those people can even look at themselves in the morning but they probably all figure, well just doing my job. Pffffffffffffffffffffffftttttttttttttttt :evil:

  51. MMD
    05/31/2013 at 11:43 am

    Syn did you get this timeline. I can’t tell if this is what BG gave you. Courtesy of Chris Start and Justify Travis

    bit.ly/18xpLuK

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 11:45 am

      well that didn’t work now did it. :-(

      Justify Travis ‏@JustifyTravis 28 May
      I worked all trial long w @stark3923 nailing down hard dates of Jodi Arias It now lives online for your viewing http://bit.ly/18xpLuK

      or try this

      https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag5zI0zb_XIldEl1WDhvVTBvWlZWY1ZGME55VnBJSEE#gid=0

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 11:47 am

        sorry donchais, I’ll go to the naughty corner right this minute. A post in moderation for you Syn
        :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :-(

      • 05/31/2013 at 11:50 am

        lol MMD I think you spend more time in there than anyone.. although FoL and I manage to do fairly well too and many others visit us from time to time.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 11:52 am

        I know Syn but at least you and FOL have popcorn and vodka. I don’t have anything. :cry: I didn’t even think when I put those 2 links in!!!!

      • Beans
        05/31/2013 at 12:04 pm

        Did you get your PC gremlins squared away?

      • Beans
        05/31/2013 at 12:06 pm

        This was directed to MMD. Don’t know what happened, might still be wrestling with some of my own.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 12:13 pm

        No, it’s not holding a charge AT ALL so if the too short plug comes out then it shuts off :cry:

    • 05/31/2013 at 11:48 am

      ooo no I did not have that one either.. thanks!

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 2:48 pm

        I don’t know if you read thru this timeline yet, but I noticed a few inconsistencies. Not sure if these are things we just never heard or misinformation.

      • 05/31/2013 at 2:55 pm

        I looked at the stuff around the 10th May onwards because I was writing an piece on that 26th May exchange. But feel free to point out anything you see that needs questioning that would be helpful.

  52. 05/31/2013 at 11:44 am

    Any way to know if someone responds to my post without having to scroll thru everything?

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 11:45 am

      if there is, I haven’t figured it out :-(

    • 05/31/2013 at 11:52 am

      I get a little orange highlight on the notification bubble at the top of the screen but to see it I have to be logged in to wordpress and it is soo helpful… one day I was without it and almost went *cross eyed emote* !

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 11:53 am

        but you’re on an iPad and I’m on a pc. I think that’s the key!

  53. MMD
    05/31/2013 at 11:50 am
  54. 05/31/2013 at 11:57 am

    MMD :
    but you’re on an iPad and I’m on a pc. I think that’s the key!

    Well the rare times Im on my imac I still get the thing at the top.. maybe if you make a throwaway blog you might get it?

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 11:59 am

      Syn remember who you’re talking to!!!! WTH is a throwaway blog?????????? (insert wtf look emo)

      • 05/31/2013 at 12:04 pm

        lol.. you can make a wordpress blog… basically what Im suggesting is just create a blog.. it can sit there unused but you will have a login for it… see how my name is blue? it’s an active link? Anyone with that has a wordpress blog or I assume they do… that way you might get the orange notification highlight I get and a little box to reply to all replies on your posts without scrolling to them. I’m just guessing that is the difference wtth those who have it and those that dont cos then you also get a record of all comments and replies in history on the dashboard of your blog too.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 12:16 pm

        Thank you darlin’ but I think I will simply stick with just scrolling. I am way too easily confused on computers to add to my current repertoire of knowledge, but it is not working properly anyway. :insert cross eyed emo)

      • 05/31/2013 at 12:20 pm

        lol ok… I understand.. I happened to have one and it surprised the heck out of me when it worked like it does :)

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 12:35 pm

        showoff :roll: :lol:

  55. 05/31/2013 at 12:17 pm

    I hope the Alexander family are finding some solace in the fact so many around the world really do have them and Travis in their hearts and minds and also that no matter what Arias will always be seen as a monster by the vast majority.

    Nothing can take their pain away but from that at least I do hope they gain strength to help them through. Plus she has been found guilty of First Degree Murder with extreme cruelty which is remarkable considering what has subsequently been divulged about the thinking of some of the jurors.

    I gain some comfort in that so I hope they do too but it is so hard to know what they gain comfort in because their loss can never be replaced and perhaps for them only the ultimate penalty will suffice.

    I hope for their sake they can gain some stength during this time while she hopefully remains in 23/7 lockdown. No matter how she tries to spin that in her head there really is no silver lining to being locked in that small cell for that amount of time alone with hand delivered meals and an hour for shower, exercise etc.

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 12:28 pm

      I sure hope so Syn but I imagine that it is extra hard with June 4th just around the corner. At least they are with their families although I don’t know how close to each other they live. And to find out that Gidget has a conflict (probably to get a manicure) must add to their stress. They need this done and over with. Justice for Travis.

      • Beans
        05/31/2013 at 12:35 pm

        This came from a talking head on HLN earlier this week so consider the source, but he speculated the next phase could dag out ’til next winter.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 12:36 pm

        wouldn’t surprise me in the least Beans. Just as long as she stays in 23 hour lockdown in the interim, that’s ok.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 12:39 pm

        For that matter Beans it surprised the hell out of me that they set up the 2 dates so quickly and so soon.

      • 05/31/2013 at 12:40 pm

        yes and knowing this is the window that was there to “stop” it… not of course anyone could possibly have known what she was up to… but human nature dictates. This is the time between the ‘robbery’ so she had the gun and when she contacted Daryl to get the cans for a trip to Mesa and she contacted Ryan to set up the ‘alibi’ and ‘reason’ for the trip.

        Grrr it makes my blood boil so I can’t even imagine what it does to them to think of it all every year :cry:

        The Hughes’ seem well grounded with the tragedy of it so hopefully they are there for the family too although I don’t know how close to the family they live but there’s lots ways to communicate these days.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 12:42 pm

        I think that the Hughes have come through big time for Travis and his family. I have great admiration for them!

    • Beans
      05/31/2013 at 12:31 pm

      Ditto – 23/7 lockdown smells like justice to me.

      • ByeByeJA
        05/31/2013 at 5:38 pm

        Especially during the blazing summer heat in Arizona!

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 12:32 pm

      I know that just the fact JA is on lockdown for 23 hours gives me a peaceful feeling, but only temporarily. I’m just glad she’s not in there having a grand old time and I’m hoping that she’s going to start to realize that this is what life is going to be like for her, although I doubt it!

      • Beans
        05/31/2013 at 12:42 pm

        I know this was covered previously re: Angela Sampson, but I know guys who did serious time and Stabitha’s(thanks for that Bailey) act will not be tolerated in the slammer, somebody will squash her like a cockroach if she tries to run her games in there.

    • Jill
      05/31/2013 at 2:52 pm

      One thing I must say about the media…they seen to be respecting the privacy of the family.

  56. 05/31/2013 at 12:22 pm

    MMD wth is a “too short” plug? *quizzical look*

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 12:30 pm

      They replaced my power cord and it is not as long as the original one so if I move the wrong way or a doggie hits it, it shuts my computer off. :-(

      • 05/31/2013 at 12:47 pm

        uggh and you can’t use an extension cord with it? How annoying! what’s the solution can they get you a longer one if you can’t use an extension cord?

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 12:53 pm

        Duh, I never thought of an extension cord!!!! I just have it plugged into a power bar. Geeze, see what I mean about being clueless :-(
        Plus they haven’t called me back yet about the fact it won’t hold a charge and I want to watch a hearing live streamed this afternoon so I haven’t been a squeaky wheel which I usually am.

  57. MMD
    05/31/2013 at 12:34 pm

    I can’t see JA ever agreeing to a plea agreement if they took death off the table because she has nothing to lose plus she would probably have to give up all appeals and she’s never do that, EVER!!!

  58. HJ Madison
    05/31/2013 at 12:39 pm

    ~~Hello Gang!~~~

    Just stopped in to get an update. I missed alot of the past thread. And I not yet read Syn’s analysis of Darryl…. looks good.

    One thought about the lifetime movie deal, and it may have been discussed, but are we sure that Travis’ estate (and his heirs) are not benefitting from it? I know they have stayed very quiet, but I would have thought that their lawyer in the civil suit would have said something if it truly was offensive.

    • 05/31/2013 at 12:45 pm

      HJ not so much analysis.. that was the original.. this more a précis of the dynamic of the relationship.

      As for the lifetime movie… I am under the impression.. and this could be erroneous.. but this deal is in association with the Arias side ie family not the Alexander’s. But I have no concrete first hand research on that.

      • 05/31/2013 at 12:45 pm

        ohhh by the way… helllo **waves** :P

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 12:46 pm

      But the civil suit has not been filed yet, not until after this trial. I really doubt if the estate is benefiting from this movie. It would be like Law & Order paying for their ripped from the headlines shows. They can just say loosely based on, in the public realm, blah, blah, blah,…………….jmo

      • HJ Madison
        05/31/2013 at 1:13 pm

        The Civil suit should be well in the works now with the conviction. But, my thinking is that now they have a lawyer who is versed with their case, he could speak for the family if they are troubled by the movie.

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 12:48 pm

      You didn’t miss much HJ, most of it was me educating Syn, Robert, and a couple others on FOL’s family tree. Some of their replies are truly hilarious though :grin:

      • 05/31/2013 at 12:51 pm

        yeah nutshell version… Robert is still foggy
        FoL’s horse is attending law school
        Fol’s son lives in a stable
        FoL breathes in too much methane gas when cleaning his manure.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 12:54 pm

        :grin: :lol: :grin: :lol: :grin: :lol: :grin:

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 1:02 pm

        Ya do realize that FOL is gonna come after you for that summation :grin:

    • Beans
      05/31/2013 at 12:55 pm

      Hello HJ, missed you. Good point. If the family was benefiting it would make the situation tolerable, otherwise it’s just in poor taste, but who’s surprised, it’s Lifetime.

  59. NancyB
    05/31/2013 at 12:53 pm

    I’m still reading to catch up…MMD – what was that TV program’s name that you told us was coming to the States? Also, what in the heck was the judge’s decision in OJ’s hearing, does anyone know? I’ve got stuff to do but I’ll be back later today.

    One thing that Ringading wrote really sums it up for me: “They wouldn’t want me on a jury because I would not cover for anyone’s decision. If they don’t stand by before the public, then they are not strong enough in their convictions to be there to begin with.”

    • 05/31/2013 at 12:58 pm

      didnt see that by Ringading.. but that’s yet another of her many astute assertions.

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 1:00 pm

      The show is Motive and it airs on Thursday on ABC and as far as I know, the judge has not ruled on the OJ case yet.

      I completely agree with Ring!

    • Family of Law
      05/31/2013 at 1:07 pm

      Hiya Nancy! I am so glad you took your Catalina trip- I hope it was very cathartic, I am sure Dale was there with you in heart….

  60. Family of Law
    05/31/2013 at 1:00 pm

    Morning/ evening all :-)

    I see MMD has spent some of her morning in the Naughty Corner…. I hope you brought your babies with for company, Syn and I would happily share our popcorn (and perhaps Syn would even have shared a Tim tam or two!)

    Syn, that was an excellent post on DB! (Did you read the sociopath info at the bottom of the link proved by BG?)

    BG, thank you for the timeline link, just finished going through it! It made a stupid inquirely pop into my head… Anybody know who paid for JA’s new boobs? She was thousands in debt at the time, so I’m assuming she wooed somone into paying for her?

    • 05/31/2013 at 1:02 pm

      I scanned it but once i read something about “knowing you can’t lead a productive life” I switched out.

      • Family of Law
        05/31/2013 at 1:21 pm

        I assumed that summation of sociopathy would not have sat well with you…. (see, I do pay attention in Syn class!)

      • 05/31/2013 at 1:28 pm

        yah there were a number of lets just say anomalies that showed a lack of knowledge on the subject matter. Something I find hard to abide.

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 1:03 pm

      Darryl Brewer – although he didn’t know it at the time!

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 1:04 pm

        Although when he testified didn’t he say that she wanted them because she wanted to look like his ex-wife who also incidentally was a blonde ;-)

      • Family of Law
        05/31/2013 at 1:15 pm

        Poor DB paid for them, then she took them to the guest room….

    • Beans
      05/31/2013 at 1:05 pm

      would that be ‘boobicles’?

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 1:07 pm

        :roll:

      • Family of Law
        05/31/2013 at 1:09 pm

        You nailed that comment! Yes, Boobicles gets “word of the day”!

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 1:10 pm

        they should be called “store boughts” :grin:

      • Beans
        05/31/2013 at 1:12 pm

        I’m a proud guy, love earning an ‘eye-roll’ from MMD.

      • 05/31/2013 at 1:16 pm

        gawd :roll:

      • Beans
        05/31/2013 at 1:21 pm

        and Syn.

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 1:06 pm

      And for some reason I think she paid $400 which I remember thinking was awfully cheap so maybe she was doing the dr on the side as well. ;-)

      • Family of Law
        05/31/2013 at 1:11 pm

        Anyone know how much Boobicles cost? I’m guessing insurance (even if she had any) doesn’t cover cosmetic surgery.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 1:13 pm

        see above

      • Family of Law
        05/31/2013 at 1:17 pm

        Nooooooo, I can’t get Neuticles for my lab for $400! That can’t be right? I had my gallbladder out, it was THOUSANDS. Surely Boobicles must be close to 10K.

      • Beans
        05/31/2013 at 1:20 pm

        Seriously?, only $400., must have been a ‘drive through’ or ‘do-it yourself’ after-market bolt-on’s.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 1:20 pm

        I’m pretty sure that’s the amount that was quoted. I may be totally computer illiterate but I do listen and I remember questioning the amount!!!

      • ByeByeJA
        05/31/2013 at 5:42 pm

        Doing the doctor on the side would make total sense….but I seriously doubt your can can boobicles for $400! That wouldn’t even cover anesthesia let alone the balloons!

      • WhereIsSHE
        05/31/2013 at 11:07 pm

        Here is a quote from a fairly well-respected plastic surgeon in the Philadelphia area– circa 2008.
        Jodi had hers done just a year or so prior, so this was likely similar to the going rate (at least at a reputable office) (but Jodi’s look a bit botched to my eye– having handled hundreds of individual cases plus the omnibus actions as lead liaison counsel for the entire Commonwealth of PA in the complex, mass tort litigation in the late ’90s on behalf of all hospitals, state wide.

        Her implants might pass in a shirt..
        but those photos of her on Travis’ bed the day she brutally murdered him?
        Horrible from a cosmetic perspective.
        There is nothing even nearing natural about them.
        Just hideous.

        It is hard to understand why he was so physically attracted to her.
        Why he kept having sex with her. Especially after he knew that she was slashing his tires/making life difficult AND SCARY for other women in his life, be they friends or a new love interest.

        I hope that all here can use knowledge of this case to help educate the next generations (young adult, dating, etc age range) to be on alert for such significant warning signs.
        Someone slashes your tires out of anger/frustration, etc?
        You need to immediately make an official report with local law enforcement.
        Just because there might not be enough proof to hold them accountable IMMEDIATELY does not mean that the report will have been made in vain.

        Anyway-
        Back to the narrow issue of breast augmentation costs, here is a standard fee quote from a few years BEFORE Jodi had hers done in southern California:

        What is the cost of breast augmentation in Philadelphia?
        The cost of breast implants in Philadelphia varies based on your choice of saline or silicone, and some individual factors as well. The price range for breast augmentation in our Philadelphia plastic surgery office ranges from $5900 to $6700, depending on silicone vs. saline (saline is cheaper). That is the total cost for a straightforward breast augmentation, including the surgeon’s fee, breast implants, and surgical center/anesthesia fees.

      • WhereIsSHE
        05/31/2013 at 11:11 pm

        Sorry. I meant a year or so AFTER Jodi has hers done.

        No way was it anywhere near a few hundred dollars.

        You can’t even have simple BOTOX injections on your forehead and eye area for less than $1000.

        Breast augmentation requires IMPLANTS (manufacturer priced) and anesthesia, etc.

        Had to have cost her aroudn $5000, even with the bad job she got.

      • WhereIsSHE
        05/31/2013 at 11:38 pm

        Plastic surgeons don’t have the option of giving implants away for “free” (for the imagined sexual favors).
        There are strict rules and regulations regarding the implantation of “medical devices”.
        I wont bore everyone here with the details, but just trust me..
        She paid for this procedure.
        (Which is part of the reason she stopped paying the mortgage– and why Darryl was just fine-and-dandy with it –at first.)

        Pardon my language, but Darryl is just “p****-whipped” when it comes to Jodi.
        I mean…
        LOOK AT HIM.
        Think about his AGE vs. HER AGE.
        Think about how he must have enjoyed showing her off– fake blond hair, fake breasts, fake smile, facke personality… make-pretend-step-mother…
        My guess is that she relished the role while his ex-wife was upset by it, but rapidly lost interest as soon as the ex moved on a was OK with him being led around by such an obvious manipulator.

        He says he was honest from the start about not wanting to get married again. So WHY the F was Jodi hanging around him for FOUR YEARS.
        She never wanted to marry him, that’s how.
        She was just using him; biding her time; and–for as long as it lasted–LOVING her role as being a thorn in the side of his ex.
        I think she loved hurting (or trying to hurt) the ex even more than she ever cared for him and/or his son.

        I think she only FEELS (fulfilled or otherwise) when she is PUSHING BOTTONS.

        See.. I disagree about her being into the sex.
        I think she DID FAKE IT.
        Just like she fakes so much of who she APPEARS TO BE.

        I think what she enjoys most in life is to push peoples’ buttons.
        She WANTS a retrial on the penalty phase.
        She WANTS to keep tweeting, thereby showing NO REMORSE OR RESPECT for Travis’ family members. (SHe WANTS to have them HURTING, no matter what lies escape her freshly licked lips in the courtroom.)
        She LOVES hearing that people hate her so much that they spend day after day after day after day after day, etc, etc, etc, just blogging about her.

        This blog has got to be one of her favorites.
        She probably LOVES reading this very post.

        As Carly Simon wrote –in her epic masterpiece, “You’re So Vain”:

        “You had me several years ago, when I was still quite naive, and you said that we made such a pretty pair, and that you would never leave. Well you gave away those things you loved, and one of them was me… I had some dreams, they were just clouds in your coffee, clouds in your coffee.. And.. You’re so vain; you probably think this song is about you, You’re so vain (You’re so vain!)>>> I bet you think this song is about you, don’t you?! Don’t you?!!”

        Yes, Jodi. (via Donovan or whatever your name it).
        This song IS about you.
        The bad news for you is this:
        By the end of this summer (or, perhaps mid-Fall), you will have been SENTENCED for the MURDER of Travis Alexander.
        ALL of this attention will fade in a healthy manner.
        Travis’ siblings will honor him by FORGETTING about you for as long as you are locked up (unless they have to think about you in a couples of DECADES to fight you getting a chance at freedom some day).

        Your little superstar is going to burn out really soon.
        You don’t know it or believe it tonight, but trust me…
        the media and the public will drop you like a hot potato fairly soon.
        Another murderer will slide into view and happily absorb all of the spotlight you have so enjoyed these last 5 years, and particularly these last few months.

        Just you wait, Jodi.
        You will learn what so many convicted high profile defendants learn AFTER they have been convicted.
        Some are remorseful and sick about what they did, and only wish for attention so that they can express their true remorse.
        OTHERS, like YOU.. are just sick and angry and increasingly frustrated when it becomes all too clear that they have been DISMISSED and ABANDONNED by one and ALL.
        No one who truly loves you– and perhaps, for someone like you, even worse: No one who truly hates you, as well.

        G’Night, Sandbox.
        Sweet Dreams to one and all.

      • Jill
        06/01/2013 at 9:41 am

        Hi Whereisshe, wow, you wrote a great post! So true about her liking all the drama around her. U have some wonderful insight! Loved reading your writing. You are head on! Ty!

    • 05/31/2013 at 1:06 pm

      oh and by the way.. hellllooooo :P

      • Family of Law
        05/31/2013 at 1:13 pm

        Hellllooooooo! Are you still in Melbourne?

      • 05/31/2013 at 1:14 pm

        ya flying home Monday :)

      • Family of Law
        05/31/2013 at 1:19 pm

        Still needing a sweater? I bet pusscat has had some wild parties.

      • 05/31/2013 at 1:26 pm

        hahah yeah… oh I bet.. I expect stuff pulled out of cupboards and my duvet on my bed pushed into a mountain on my bed. probably some cupboards in the kitchen open with contents pulled onto the floor.. those are just some of her usual antics if she is left with a sitter.

    • NancyB
      05/31/2013 at 3:01 pm

      It was dumb Darryl.

  61. Family of Law
    05/31/2013 at 1:03 pm

    Syntara :
    yeah nutshell version… Robert is still foggy
    FoL’s horse is attending law school
    Fol’s son lives in a stable
    FoL breathes in too much methane gas when cleaning his manure.

    I like this version. 😃

    • NancyB
      05/31/2013 at 3:03 pm

      :) Lololol me too!

  62. HJ Madison
    05/31/2013 at 1:03 pm

    MMD :
    Poor Darryl – I don’t think that he is the sharpest knife in the drawer.
    I can answer who it was who was probably steering the questions on a couple of occasions – Michael Kiefer – the pro defense hack reporter – who was in the room and was the only other person who got an interview but it was a print interview.

    For me MMD hit it — not very bright! Daryl seemed to me like the stereotypical Southern Californian Surfer Dude type, “Don’t Worry …..Be Happy” … and too self absorbed to bother to understand the underside of WOBO.

    He did not take the stand as Defense strategy. Without witnesses Juan was precluded from putting witnesses on to rebut. Interesting. Recall that there was a late add to JM’s rebuttal witness list. As I recall we never learned who this was, but the DT filed a motion to prevent claiming it was a “discovery violation” and someone they had not prepared for. Maybe this was someone so damning that the DT decided not to call anyone at all. Hmmmm….

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 1:14 pm

      This entire saga that revolves around the defense and JA is full of things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm and not in a positive way :evil:

  63. MMD
    05/31/2013 at 1:18 pm

    You know, if this was me, I would simply die if all of my privates were on display for the world, especially in the way she posed plus if I had store bought boobies and everyone knew, I would never show my face ever ever again!!!!!!!!!!! I’d be mortified!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I know Syn, I don’t think the way JA does, but just the thought of if it was me how I’d feel!!!

    • 05/31/2013 at 1:59 pm

      MMD you wouldn’t be JA.. in any way. You wouldn’t do anything she does. You’re human for a start! :P

  64. HJ Madison
    05/31/2013 at 1:18 pm

    Syntara :
    yeah nutshell version… Robert is still foggy
    FoL’s horse is attending law school
    Fol’s son lives in a stable
    FoL breathes in too much methane gas when cleaning his manure.

    Don’t forget FOL’s husband patented synthetic neuticals and is sending the recipe to MMD’s vet!

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 1:19 pm

      Yep and they’re the best of the best that money can buy!!! :grin:

    • Family of Law
      05/31/2013 at 1:23 pm

      Mornin HJ!!!! Hubby WISHES he had that patent!

  65. MMD
    05/31/2013 at 1:22 pm

    MMD :
    they should be called “store boughts”

    ROFL

    • Family of Law
      05/31/2013 at 1:24 pm

      Are you laughing at your own comment? (it was indeed funny!)

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 1:45 pm

        yeah right, like pointing out my own stupidity :-(

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 1:24 pm

      ignore, ignore, ignore, I hit the wrong quote, it should have been Beans :oops:

      • Family of Law
        05/31/2013 at 1:28 pm

        Ok, phew! I thought maybe we weren’t paying enough attention to your wit!!!! Lol!!!

      • 05/31/2013 at 1:38 pm

        LMAO!!!!!

  66. MMD
    05/31/2013 at 1:23 pm

    Beans :
    I’m a proud guy, love earning an ‘eye-roll’ from MMD.

    ROFL ignore post above

  67. Family of Law
    05/31/2013 at 1:37 pm

    The FB page “The State vs Jodi Arias” is asking for Travis supporters to write to Bill Montgomery’s office and request that they not consider offering a plea deal (succumbing to fiscal pressure), but to proceed with a trial and continue to seek the Death Penalty.

    The link to Maricopa County Attorney:

    http://www.maricopacountyattorney.org/

    • 05/31/2013 at 1:40 pm

      omg!

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 1:44 pm

      There would be no sense in them offering a plea because JA would never go for it and neither would the public. After all she has nothing to lose. The only way, would be if the family wanted it. I don’t even think that the public would go for it.

    • Family of Law
      05/31/2013 at 1:51 pm

      I just found it odd that anyone thinks the the County Attorney would yield to public pleas… I looked at Bill Montgomery’s record, he’s definitely a no BS guy, and has a great deal of esteem for Juan- Not only do I think JA will never accept a plea (What? And give up an opportunity to be in the limelight, in street clothes, prop glasses and out of her mini private “suite”? No way!) but I think Juan will fight hard to give the Alexander family what they want.

      • 05/31/2013 at 1:54 pm

        all I can say is it better not happen.. not due to fiscal restraints anyhow.. not having come this far. If the family wanted it that’s a different matter entirely.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 1:55 pm

        I agree FOL for all your reasons. Plus she will never give up her right to appeal which would be part of the deal to get the dp off the table.

      • Beans
        05/31/2013 at 2:06 pm

        have HLN on in the background and they keep running a clip of this guy saying the pros. will proceed without any deals – says they consulted with the Alexanders

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 2:09 pm

        Hope you’re right Beans. They have waited 5 years and never wavered on wanting the DP. Tanisha said she didn’t care if she had to wait 20 years to see it happen so for their sake……………………..

  68. 05/31/2013 at 1:52 pm

    I love that timeline BG (Heygirl) posted… so easy to work out what happened leading up to that tragic day. Also so frustrating knowing how it played out and how devious and tunnel visioned she was to exact her revenge.

  69. Family of Law
    05/31/2013 at 1:58 pm

    A portion of Tara Kelley’s Tweets with “Wild About Trial” – her theory of motive included, too bad she wasn’t one of the twelve, I bet she would have gone toe to toe with Bill.

    *Read from bottom to top

    @tarakelley320 great multi tweet answer Tara! Very twitter savvy. In your mind, does Jodi have any redeeming qualities? #17WAT

    Tara Kelley @tarakelley320
    @WildAboutTrial I believe on May 26, Travis was trying to break it off completely with Jodi! She got mad and threatened him with the sex tape! He started calling her those names b/c he thought if he did she would finally leave him alone, especially when he said u r the worst thing that ever happened to me! He was hoping that would make her stop! It only made her really mad knowing he no longer wanted her! She couldn’t take it! She planned the burglary and started planning his death!She wanted to make sure she was the last he ever had sexually!She wanted that power of knowing she was his last

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    @tarakelley320 Do you want to tell us more about your theory now? Take a few tweets and expand upon it if you would like. #17WAT

    Tara Kelley @tarakelley320
    @WildAboutTrial it’s part of my theory! I believe he found out about the sex tape and she threatened to blackmail him! #17WAT

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    @tarakelley320 What is your opinion of that last text sent by Travis where he was so angry? #17WAT

    Tara Kelley @tarakelley320
    @WildAboutTrial May 26, 2008!

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    @tarakelley320 When do you think the the premeditation began? #17WAT

    • 05/31/2013 at 2:01 pm

      zegactly. I just wish 18 had come out instead of 17 it’s so unfair!!!

  70. MMD
    05/31/2013 at 2:04 pm

    Syn you asked me what I was reading. Here is the link

    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2010/11/richard_chrisman_phoenix_police_department.php

    Hard to find anything current.

    • 05/31/2013 at 2:05 pm

      thank you

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 2:07 pm

      I feel like I live in Phoenix these days, I think in their time, read their news and am glad that the woman who was framed and arrested in Mexico was released today. I’m glad I don’t live in a big city or where it is regularly 100 degrees with no grass or dandelions.

  71. 05/31/2013 at 2:05 pm

    So… if the retrial of the sentencing phase is postponed does Jodistein come out of 23/7 lockdown or stay there indefinitely?

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 2:07 pm

      She had already been convicted so she HAD better stay in lockdown!!!!

      • 05/31/2013 at 2:09 pm

        **hands on hips** ??

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 2:11 pm

        My thoughts and stance exactly Syn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  72. MMD
    05/31/2013 at 2:10 pm

    FOL how is Seamus and how are the new set of neuticles? Is hubby now a happy camper????

    • Family of Law
      05/31/2013 at 2:38 pm

      Seamus barely skipped a beat, he’s back to his usual hyper puppy self! He’s confused as to what I’m staring at though? Hubby gets home tomorrow night, he’s very anxious to admire his good deed.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 2:41 pm

        Too funny :lol:

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 2:43 pm

        I just love your hubby, I truly do!!!! :grin: no Syn, not in that way, only JM is that way. Hubbs has a great sense of humour, has heart in taking in foster animals plus only wants what he thinks is the best for Seamus. Only JM has my heart :-)

      • 05/31/2013 at 9:36 pm

        :roll: watch it FoL she wants to add your husband to the ever expanding list!!!

  73. 05/31/2013 at 2:14 pm

    I wonder if Daryl will ever bother to find out what Jodistein really is or if he will forever be content saying “but but she just suddenly changed and it was all PPL and the LDS fault” It really astounds me because his way of dealing with it is the EXACT opposite of how I dealt with it. But then I didn’t ignore all the red flags either.. I just couldnt believe what they were telling me and didn’t know what the full picture was.

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 2:20 pm

      I think he has pretty well fried all his brain cells on booze and pot and I don’t think there were too many to start with. I mean truly, who steps down from a manager position to a server position??? I don’t think he will ever fully understand what happened and I don’t think he will even try to figure it out. Can’t do very much with plain dumb!

      • 05/31/2013 at 2:35 pm

        yeah I do think its all of those things you and Beans point to and I know it too but it’s just so hard for me to come to grips with someone else dealing with it so diametrically opposite to me. I guess he just ignores it so he doesn’t have to deal with it.. on the other hand I HAD to understand it or I would have died in the abyss.

        Think I’m too in touch with reality to go into denial.

        Which is why I would love a personality typology on him so I could actually have some data.

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 3:03 pm

        Wish someone could talk to his ex wife…

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 2:23 pm

      Syn you were interested in the “why” and went into that field. You WANTED to know, he truly doesn’t. I don’t think he could handle the truth and if saying she needs help is his way of understanding, so be it.

    • Beans
      05/31/2013 at 2:26 pm

      he is ‘willfully ignorant’ – it would ‘rock his world’ to have to admit he was blind to what he was dealing with and entrusting his son to, – or, maybe he is just stupid.

      • 05/31/2013 at 2:39 pm

        Beans.. it may well be a combination of all of those… he is ‘stupid’ and therefore wilfully ignorant because he can’t begin to get through the labyrinth in front of him.

        That actually makes sense as a possibility too.

      • Beans
        05/31/2013 at 2:46 pm

        Syn, I’ll need help with that, ‘willfully ignorant’ signifies a choice – ‘stupid’ is antithetical to choice since it would preclude awareness.

    • Family of Law
      05/31/2013 at 2:44 pm

      I really think he is content to believe JA is “misunderstood”, and will continue to choose to believe that an unfortunate combination of LDS, PPL and Travis turned her into something she wasn’t. What amazes me, is that the mother of his son has remained quiet- imagine her shock and disgust that her ex was shacked up with a murderess psychopath, and her son was exposed to her so intimately.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 2:48 pm

        She is probably appalled and maybe her many moves were to get her son away from both JA AND Darryl.

      • 05/31/2013 at 2:50 pm

        yes I know!!! and he said all his family knew Jodi.. surely some of them are questioning it on a deeper level.. surely they can’t all be jsut shrugging their shoulders and going.. “well she wasn’t like that when we knew her” or can they?

      • Beans
        05/31/2013 at 2:52 pm

        Wow, never even considered that aspect of the situation. Do we know anything about her? Maybe she doesn’t give a shit.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 3:02 pm

        The tentacles of this case stretch in sooooooooooooo many directions. It hard to really come to grips with how many people that JA has affected in one way or another.

      • WhereIsSHE
        06/01/2013 at 8:42 pm

        Darryl, no doubt, has been confronted with CUSTODY issues over this.
        His only choice– on that front– is to stick with his story about Jodi having been this model, loving, SANE, NON-THREAT to him AND HIS CHILD, no matter how crazy-with-a-cap- “C”- she actually was in his presence.

        There is a good reason why he never considered her to be marriage material.
        I don’t buy it for a second that he was just completely anti-marriage-forever and ever.
        I think he came to the realization that he would never, ever marry JODI, and just gave her this sort of “universal” anti-marriage spiel when he realized that there was something very, very wrong with her.
        I think this is why he put up with her sleeping in a separate bedroom in the house they shared. (WHO does that if they want to be in a long term, loving relationship with their “significant other”??)

        THEN AGAIN..
        Who knows what his ex is all about.
        She is the one who Jodi allegedly “modeled” herself after, with the breast implants, etc.

        Maybe Darryl just has extremely poor judgment.
        Maybe the women in his life are borderlines/sociopaths.
        Maybe his ex has kept her mouth shut for a damn good reason.

        At this point, nothing would shock me about Darryl’s ex.
        SHE is the one who allegedly took that photo of D, J and D’s son, Jack, at Chuck-E-Cheese (or so said this convicted lying murderer during her ersatz-power-point presentation in her part of the penalty phase).

        ANY normal guy in Darryl’s position would KNOW, by the time this trial STARTED, that he had been MANIPULATED and USED by Jodi. So either he is a complete MORON, ….OR…. he has other motivations (custody of child is the best candidate) to keep his mouth shut about what a totalNUTCASE she was (from time to time, when she let her guard down.

        I mean… one thing for him to “defend” her character during the defense case, … but really f-ed up (BEYOND f-ed up) that he would continue to stand up for her “character” (puh-lease) AFTER he had every opportunity to HEAR ABOUT what she DID to Travis.

        Something else (i. other than his story about Jodi being such a great gal) is motivating this guy to stand up for her in court.
        The only other person willing to do it was some former childhood friend.

  74. 05/31/2013 at 2:29 pm

    ok.. to me this is sums up the surreal reality of this trial:

    “Arias is not the person she is portrayed to be by the media. She’s not that person at all. She’s the nicest girl you’ll ever meet,” Carr told the news network.

    Arias, a 32-year-old photographer, is accused of shooting her ex-boyfriend, Travis Alexander, in the face, stabbing him 27 times and slitting his throat from ear to ear in the shower of his Mesa, Ariz., apartment on June 4, 2008.

    “nicest girl you’ll ever meet” riiiiiiiiight :shock:

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 2:44 pm

      Yes, but what ever happened to Carr???????????? That is the question????????

      • 05/31/2013 at 2:53 pm

        I know!! I keep asking that.. last time I can find any record of any mentions of him is around mid March. I’ve been asking if anyone knows what became of him cos I’m trying to research him.. like when he started communicating with Jodi and what he’s up to now.. but it abruptly seems to end mid march-ish. He was often in the court before that from the reports I saw.. but then no more mentions and it suddenly all became about Donoman and no more Carr.

        It’s odd and I would love if anyone has any subsequent info if they can post it because I can’t find any.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 2:54 pm

        You need to get in touch with Chris Stark once she gets off vacation because if anybody can find it, she can. Seriously!

  75. MMD
    05/31/2013 at 2:39 pm

    Damn disconnected myself again. At least the tabs of google chrome come back up, not so for the ones I had open on firefox :-(

  76. 05/31/2013 at 2:48 pm

    Beans :
    Syn, I’ll need help with that, ‘willfully ignorant’ signifies a choice – ‘stupid’ is antithetical to choice since it would preclude awareness.

    Beans.. ok… he chooses to be ignorant because maneovring through the labyrinth may well be beyond him.

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 2:52 pm

      Obviously he was unwilling, uninterested or too stupid to attend Syn’s class at Donchais University. Stupid is as stupid does. We had to work hard to understand all of Syn’s explanations and some still can’t wrap their heads around the way JA operates.

      • 05/31/2013 at 3:03 pm

        yeah MMD’s is a simpler version :D Thanks MMD

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 3:05 pm

        It’s the truth. It was hard work, especially at first when the concept was so foreign!!!

  77. Family of Law
    05/31/2013 at 2:51 pm

    I must sign off for a bit, I have to go to the dermatologist and get some naughty skin cancers (basal cell) removed (3 on my face- damn it!) Wear sunscreen folks!
    ******waves******

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 2:53 pm

      Good luck FOL. *****waves********

    • 05/31/2013 at 2:56 pm

      be back soon FoL.. hope everything goes well with minimal scarring!

    • Beans
      05/31/2013 at 3:24 pm

      Best wishes FOL, let us know how you’re doing.

  78. MMD
    05/31/2013 at 2:59 pm

    I wonder where Robert is today????????????? Have you heard anything from Jim lately??? Is he still at his mother’s??????

    • 05/31/2013 at 3:00 pm

      I have no idea I keep wondering if Jim will pop up soon. I hope so. Not heard anything from him for ages unfortunately.

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 3:03 pm

      Well at least we still have Beans. He hasn’t deserted us thankfully :-)

      • Beans
        05/31/2013 at 3:29 pm

        aww, you’re just looking for some dumb-ass guys to kick around. At least I’m not willfully ignorant to the fact that I’m over-matched.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 3:39 pm

        Stop sucking up for compliments Beans :roll: You know that’s not true!!!

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 3:04 pm

      We’re also still bubble-less as well!!

  79. MMD
    05/31/2013 at 3:13 pm

    Syn – I just found that Stephens is doing the other trial as well and cameras have been approved for at least the pretrial motions. At least it’s not dp so she probably won’t be as accommodating to the defense.

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 3:15 pm

      Court date of June 24th so JM is gonna be really busy this summer.

      • 05/31/2013 at 3:20 pm

        oooh how interesting it will be.. I do hope the whole thing is streamed! Will be sooo curious to see if Judge Stephens is the same or different with DP off the table.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 3:31 pm

        Plus we’re all really grateful to you. It would have cost many $1,000’s to go to school and learn this, especially in the U.S. and we probably still wouldn’t understand it as well as you’ve explained and re-explained the different points as they’ve come up. It truly has and continues to be an education. Thank you darlin’ :grin: xoxo

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 3:36 pm

        What is going to be even more interesting is how JM is going to deal with the defendant, since he is/was LE

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 3:53 pm

        What is le?

  80. 05/31/2013 at 3:16 pm

    MMD :
    It’s the truth. It was hard work, especially at first when the concept was so foreign!!!

    Yes it is and that is why I spent so much time trying to help out.. it is not an easy subject for anyone!

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 3:32 pm

      see above, posted in wrong place Syn! :oops:

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 3:33 pm

      Plus we’re all really grateful to you. It would have cost many $1,000′s to go to school and learn this, especially in the U.S. and we probably still wouldn’t understand it as well as you’ve explained and re-explained the different points as they’ve come up. It truly has and continues to be an education. Thank you darlin’ :grin: xoxo

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 3:34 pm

        I just figured I’d repost it in the proper place.

      • 05/31/2013 at 3:50 pm

        thank you MMD :)

  81. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/31/2013 at 3:33 pm

    Ok. G’day all. From today’s NY Daily news.( I wonder if wobo has this and the “brazilians” are just a way to have someone else do the ‘dirty work’)::

    “Rosenblatt, now 39, is one of millions of people suffering from Trichotillomania (pronounced trick-o-til-o-MAY-nee-ah), a disorder in which people have an irresistible desire to pull out their hair from the scalp, eyebrows, legs, pubic area or any place where hair grows on the body. Experts say about 1 in 50 people – or 2 to 4 percent of the population – have the disorder, though numbers may be larger due to the fact people are too embarrassed to admit to medical professionals they pull their hair and go to great lengths to hide their behavior from family and friends.”

    And, not to forget Gidget:

    “About an equal number of boys and girls under age 10 are prone to develop Trichotillomania, but hair pulling becomes more common for girls around the age of puberty. While those who seek treatment are women nine times out of 10, experts believe not as many men get help because they can disguise their appearance easier by shaving off *patchy bald spots* on their heads or beards.”

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 3:38 pm

      Robert – helllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooo *waves* We wondered where you were. Beans has been the only one who hasn’t deserted us.

      JA still has the hair on her head so I don’t think she has this but Gidget, now that’s a totally different story. ;-)

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/31/2013 at 3:46 pm

        well, just because she has hair on her head now doesnt mean it has to stay there. I mean she wants to give to Llocks of Love” right? 23 hours with nothing to do? Start pulling those strands out!

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 3:58 pm

        well you do have a valid point there Robert!!! Unless she is busy working on her appeal ;-)

  82. Jill
    05/31/2013 at 3:48 pm

    MMD, I responded to u about van der sloot above…currently # 68

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 3:57 pm

      Well Jill, I discovered why he is getting married. Apparently once he gets married then he can become a citizen of Peru and it will be next to impossible to extradite him to the U.S. where he faces charges for taking money from Natalie Holloways mother for info regarding her daughter. I don’t think we are talking a love match.

      • Beans
        05/31/2013 at 4:11 pm

        this is another guy where we can dispense with court and simply take him out and beat him to death. He’s used enough of our air.

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 4:21 pm

        No way. Oh, this nightmare never ends for the poor families. That shouldn’t b allowed for prisoners, or someone with charges pending to obtain citizenship!

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 4:30 pm

        I agree Beans. At least his father isn’t around to protect him anymore and his mother has disowned him but to Beth Twitty, her nightmare will never end. Breaks my heart!!! :cry:

        I guess we just have to take solace in the cases where justice is truly served, which will be happening in one way or another for TA and his family.

  83. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/31/2013 at 3:49 pm

    Still hope FOL’s son enjoys the stable and his new, ugh…or was that the Lab?..Well. ONE of them got a new set, I know that!

    • 05/31/2013 at 3:51 pm

      the doggy got the neuticles :P Although apparently he almost got horse neuticles just to confuse it even more.

      • 05/31/2013 at 3:53 pm

        at least Sam didn’t get neuticles. I know that much now.

  84. Anna
    05/31/2013 at 3:53 pm

    Syntara :
    Wow!!! How cool are those !!! Long as the stay over there on the mountain I’m happy to have em here but probably prefer them a little smaller they remind me of giant terrestrial nudibranchs. I love nudibranchs! My favourite part of diving is nudibranch spotting.

    hello…what’s a nudibranch hunpie? I’m not looking it up in the dictionary cuz i don’t we share the same language all the time…. :)

  85. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/31/2013 at 3:54 pm

    You know I’m still thinking of the post by KATHY A. I mean things were flying in the sandbox and then NancyB – who had been away after writing an incredible piece about her own life- came back on, and during this, poor KathyA leaves a post that will break you. Her husband is murdered and she has to find a way to accept the LWOP of a plea deal. I don’t know if she had lurked and waited to comment pr what. But we all just flew past her. Her comment just sat there for awhile and I wonder now if it depressed her that no one answered her, or brought her into a conversation. Gosh, I hope she comes back. We goofed with her, methinks.

    • Anna
      05/31/2013 at 3:57 pm

      Roberto….hola mi amigo!!! Como estas?

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/31/2013 at 3:58 pm

        bien. :)

      • Anna
        05/31/2013 at 4:00 pm

        que beano! lol

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/31/2013 at 4:00 pm

        He estado tratando de entender cómo los testículos pueden subir a un perro de un mongol.

      • Anna
        05/31/2013 at 4:03 pm

        oh dear…do you have an online translator cuz i’m really not that good at Spanish any more….ack

    • 05/31/2013 at 3:59 pm

      Robert.. that wasn’t the first time KathyA had told her story. I have known her sad tale for quite a while now.

      • 05/31/2013 at 4:00 pm

        I think it is why she posts so many awesome insights .. a very sad sad way to have to reach those insights but she is a remarkable lady in many ways.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/31/2013 at 4:02 pm

        have you engaged her? Did she speak of it often? I haven’t seen her back and I feel so bad, seeing her comment just sit there.

      • 05/31/2013 at 4:03 pm

        I often have exchanges with KathyA yes.. she is massively inisghtful.

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 4:03 pm

        Syn, That’s good to know. I hope we all showed our compassion towards her when she first shared and she doesn’t feel passed over.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 4:04 pm

        I wonder how I missed her story before. Usually I remember that kind of info???

    • Jill
      05/31/2013 at 4:01 pm

      Oh Robert, I was thinking the same thing! I hope she comes back. She truly touched my heart. You were kind enough to find her post buried and you reposted it, but then right after you reposted, donchais closed that page down for comments.
      Do you think we can repost it one more time and cross our fingers that she comes back?
      It’s really been bothering me, too.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/31/2013 at 4:04 pm

        good idea I think. Think we failed her.

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 4:06 pm

        Do u want to, or should I? I don’t want us both to.

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 4:07 pm

        Maybe you could repost it at the start of the next page so that it doesn’t get lost at the end of this one.

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 4:15 pm

        Great thinking MMD. Robert, if you’ll be on for awhile, and you are here when this page closes, can you do it? I’ll be signing off her in a bit. But I’ll be back tonight. Ty.

      • Kathy A.
        06/01/2013 at 2:20 am

        Thank you for the concern from all of you, but I have been back. Not posting as often as I did prior to the penalty phase, but I do still come on here. I read more than I post and think this is a great group of people and not that anyone has failed me. I first shared my story awhile back when JAs attorneys were putting forth the PTSD defense; I was a bit pissed off because I do have PTSD resulting from my husband’s murder and JA most certainly does not. Just like I don’t believe she was abused, is a battered woman, any of that. It’s insulting to those people who have actually had those experiences.

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 4:02 pm

      I posted to her about what happened although only because you brought it to my attention. She has posted fairly often prior to telling her story, not as much as we do, but she was a fairly constant presence. I hope she comes back as well.

    • Anna
      05/31/2013 at 4:12 pm

      hey sorry, being my usual selfish self i missed the part about Kathy A. Please come back. I am so sorry.

      • Kathy A.
        06/01/2013 at 2:21 am

        No apology needed. I’ve been here; and honestly, the conversations get going so heavy sometimes that it’s easy to miss something. I know I have. Thank you, though. I enjoy your posts. :)

    • Anonymous
      06/01/2013 at 1:45 am

      Hey, Robert.
      Thanks for remembering that, but I did get some comments on other posts regarding my husband, and I have been on here off and on. I’m not as active as some others, but I do sometimes put my toes in the water. :)

  86. Anna
    05/31/2013 at 3:55 pm

    Deco :
    Hi there, Anna.. And MMD… I always enjoy both of your posts, vids and links. I’m more of a shy lurker. Just want you to know you’re appreciated.
    ***crickets*******

    Hey there Deco!!! What up? :)

  87. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/31/2013 at 4:03 pm

    Robert exits Rotterdam :
    He estado tratando de entender cómo los testículos pueden subir a un perro de un mongol.

    =I’ve been trying to understand how testicles can get on a dog from a horse.

    • Anna
      05/31/2013 at 4:05 pm

      well, no se. no comprendo. y no hablo espanole anymoro…roberto…stoppo

    • 06/01/2013 at 1:00 am

      Que es un Mongol? No es caballo?

      • Anna
        06/02/2013 at 7:29 pm

        waito….como???

  88. 05/31/2013 at 4:06 pm

    Robert exits Rotterdam :
    have you engaged her? Did she speak of it often? I haven’t seen her back and I feel so bad, seeing her comment just sit there.

    Like all of us.. she rarely talks about her loss but she regularly posts and always sooo insightful she is actually one of my favs here and not just because of what she has been through her posts are amazing in their own right.

    • Kathy A.
      06/01/2013 at 2:22 am

      Awww…thank you, Syn.

      • 06/01/2013 at 11:17 am

        Kathy~ I seldom have words to express the depths of sympathy I feel to someone who has experienced the harsh cruelties we humans do to each other. I commend you for your perseverance to continue facing each day. Many good thoughts sent your way.

  89. Anna
    05/31/2013 at 4:07 pm

    so then, how long has it been since someone posted this funny (yes, i like humor a lot!)?:

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/31/2013 at 4:10 pm

      LOL thanks I needed that one today!

    • Jill
      05/31/2013 at 4:17 pm

      So funny, Anna! I can’t wait to show my family tonight!

    • Family of Law
      05/31/2013 at 6:00 pm

      Hi Anna!!!! This is one of my all time favorites!!!! I can’t make bacon without thinking of this poor guy!!!!

      • Anna
        05/31/2013 at 7:44 pm

        hey FOL…always remember that bacon is a vegetable…or fruit or something entirely healthy!

    • Douglme
      06/01/2013 at 1:39 pm

      Oh, lol, I love that one! Makes me laugh every time I see it…

  90. Nienna
    05/31/2013 at 4:08 pm

    Hi all!

    Don’t know if you guys have already seen this. I don’t remember anything about it and just came across it. It’s a letter JA wrote to Ryan Burns in March 2009…

    http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2013/05/09/jodi-arias-letter-to-her-ex-lover-ryan-burns/

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 4:19 pm

      Hi Nienna ***waves******** I saw this before and I find it interesting that she actually refers to herself as a psychopath in the very first paragraph. Can’t have anyone thinking bad of her and WTH does she write people such long, long letters?????????

      • Nienna
        05/31/2013 at 4:22 pm

        Can’t figure it out and kinda glad about that.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/31/2013 at 4:25 pm

        ever hear of one who “babbles” on and on and on?

      • 05/31/2013 at 4:29 pm

        MMD you cannot be serious.. why does she write such long letters??? hellloooo :roll:

      • MMD
        05/31/2013 at 4:31 pm

        sorry :oops: I forgot who I was talking about again!!! :-(

    • Jill
      05/31/2013 at 4:48 pm

      Also interesting that she says in the last paragraph that travis was never in any danger from her, only spiritually. This, after she brutally tortured him to death.

  91. Jill
    05/31/2013 at 4:12 pm

    Syn, getting back to brewer for a second. It really puzzles me about how he is so smitten with wobo even after seeing what she did to an innocent human being. He talks constantly about how his son is his whole life and said that he didn’t want to marry wobo cuz it’d take time away from his son. Well, you’d think that for someone who is so loving and protective of his son, he would have immediately had hatred for wobo after she brutally tortured a person to death. Wouldn’t a normal father be saying things like….I’m so glad my son is safe. I’m so glad she never hurt Him. I’m so glad to be away from her. I can’t believe we lived under the same roof as this killer. I can’t believe my son was left alone with her. .???

    • 05/31/2013 at 4:23 pm

      precisely.. you would think there would be that there… knowing what she did then thanking his lucky stars he and his son got out unscathed.

      Another reason why I would love to have some data on him. He seems to be in some kind of denial. **shrug** well yeah she did it but that just wasn’t the Jodi I knew. end of story. So odd I totally agree with you. I don’t get it.. but I think the son would be more like “thank gawd she dumped you dad” I would hope so anyhow or that wouldn’t be normal either and I’d be worried about the son too.

      If I was the mother I’d be keeping the son away from the father until he jogged himself out of the denial he seems to be in. That whole extended situation raises more questions than answers after watching that interview. You see the relationship dynamic between Arias and Brewer but you think “what about the son?” Hopefully he didn’t have the son too much as far as I understand it he lived with his mother which is why Brewer moved there to be close to him. So hopefully it was only sporadic exposure to her.

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 4:29 pm

        Wonder if we can dig anything up on the ex? She must have spoken somewhere? Knowing your child was living with someone you later found out to be a psychopath murderer. I’d be outraged.

      • Kathy A.
        06/01/2013 at 2:31 am

        I just don’t understand how Brewer or Matt McCartney can both be in such denial, how they don’t look at what happened to Travis and think that it just as easily could have been them. I guess they must believe the lies about him abusing her, just like the jury foreman. That he must have done something to “deserve” what she did, and that is crazy thinking. He did something, all right. He wanted her to leave him alone.

      • 06/01/2013 at 1:09 pm

        ya they must.. they must also ignore the red flags they were given though esp brewer.. over tht length of time there must have been heaps… the mother issue for one that we know of… remember her mother went there and there was some very strange confllict that went on… he must choose to forget all those kinds of things.

      • Jill
        06/01/2013 at 3:05 am

        Hi Kathy, glad none of us unintentionally hurt you. You r strong.

        I totally agree with u. What is wrong with these guys? Aren’t the details of the gruesome way she slaughtered travis enough to open their eyes? How can they both b in denial?

        I wish I could take away all the bad in this world. Life is so scary. We never know what is going to happen to us. I live in a lot of fear of something terrible happening. I worry a lot as it is, but then I hear personal stories like yours and others and it just scares me so. If I would spend as much time living as I do worrying, I’d b a lot happier.
        I hope the best for u. I hope that u feel that your husband is at peace and with u all the time in your heart until u meet again.

    • Beans
      05/31/2013 at 5:04 pm

      he was getting laid and was willing to throw his son under the bus, although some of us think he’s too stupid to think that far ahead.

  92. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/31/2013 at 4:14 pm

    Jill :
    Do u want to, or should I? I don’t want us both to.

    Maybe whoever is around when a new page starts? Some way to let her know that her thoughts weren’t passed over thats all.

    • Jill
      05/31/2013 at 4:18 pm

      Ok, so glad you brought it back up! You’re a good guy!

  93. Anna
    05/31/2013 at 4:19 pm

    one more funny & i’ll leave you nice people alone to your better thoughts & stuff & junk, but yays, i be back layter:

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 4:21 pm

      Aweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! :-)

    • Jill
      05/31/2013 at 4:24 pm

      I love it! I’ve never seen anything
      Ike this before! Ty! It brightened my day!

    • 05/31/2013 at 4:27 pm

      but I wanted to see him meet the kitty!

      • Jill
        05/31/2013 at 4:29 pm

        I know, me too.lol

      • Anna
        05/31/2013 at 7:23 pm

        me too, exactly! just really makes me wanna go adopt a cat that my dog can get along with!!! :)

  94. 05/31/2013 at 4:30 pm

    Jill :
    Wonder if we can dig anything up on the ex? She must have spoken somewhere? Knowing your child was living with someone you later found out to be a psychopath murderer. I’d be outraged.

    Id be phoning the prosecution with anything I had that I thought they could use!

    • Jill
      05/31/2013 at 4:43 pm

      Who knows? Maybe she did.

    • Kristy
      05/31/2013 at 8:09 pm

      Personally, I’m betting Jodi has something she’s blackmailing Darryl with. For example, he switched his story after saying Jodi was going to visit Travis. He also lent her the gas cans. I think that Juan was trying to allude to the fact Jodistein may have traded for the gas cans, and that’s the reason she had a DVD remote. He would have been in possession of stolen goods. A DVD player was one of the few items stolen, and there was absolutely no reason for Jodi to walk off after breakfast with a remote.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/31/2013 at 8:35 pm

        ..or to drive back after being away more than 2 hours! Imagine returning 50 or more miles for a remote control? You could mail it for 5 bucks. The gas alone, The time lost. It must have been PRETTY, pretty important to have that remote back in ole Darryl’s house and NOT in wobo’s car, that’s for sure.

      • Douglme
        06/01/2013 at 1:55 pm

        No, it is more than likely she forgot to give it to him when she gave him the DVD player!

  95. 05/31/2013 at 5:03 pm

    Hello to everyone! Been ages since my last post/rant, whatever.

    Just want to thank alllllll of you here in the sandbox for your super comments! From the psych info to heartwarming stories of others, and must not forget the humor.

    I have been following right along, but seems most of my Q’s are answered as soon as I’m ready to post – scroll through and there is the answer. Such a great group! Noticed some indifferences along the way, but that is what we’re all about. Very readily resolved and back to playing nice.

    Love each and every one of you.

    DONCHAIS, as always, Thank You for this wonderful sandbox and for keeping all the bugs out!!! I admire you greatly for your patience.

    Justice will pervail for TRAVIS. (JM did the job and now we just wait for the finish).

    Hugs and kisses for the Alexanders – what an amazing family. Our hearts and love are with them every step of the way – unfortunately a long one at that!

    • Jill
      05/31/2013 at 5:27 pm

      Hi Jessi, nice to meet you!

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 5:54 pm

      Hi Jessi – it’s been a while. :grin: The sandbox is fine and we’re trying to get ourselves through to the end of this case.

    • Family of Law
      05/31/2013 at 5:58 pm

      Hi Jessi- glad you popped back in for a visit, I echo your kind words :-)

  96. Beans
    05/31/2013 at 5:17 pm

    Just had a major storm blast through here, shutting everything down. I’m north of the Great Lakes – anyone else experience it?

    • MMD
      05/31/2013 at 5:53 pm

      You were under a severe thunderstorm watch darlin’ but I guess ya already figured that out ;-)

    • Family of Law
      05/31/2013 at 5:56 pm

      Duck n cover Beans!

  97. Family of Law
    05/31/2013 at 5:56 pm

    Helloooooooo! Back from dermo appt, looking a bit like the goalie from the losing dart team! I’m happy to hide my face here in the sandbox for awhile :-)

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/31/2013 at 8:38 pm

      or looking backwards. Afterall: ” Rear, it’s natural.”

      • Family of Law
        05/31/2013 at 11:19 pm

        Dear Rear, yes indeed…. Bassackward

    • 05/31/2013 at 10:08 pm

      FoL so everything went well I take it. Just a bit of healing to be done and you’ll be your ‘old’ self again! remember martinis can be medicinal also just not with painkillers!! :D

  98. Family of Law
    05/31/2013 at 6:06 pm

    Jill :
    Wonder if we can dig anything up on the ex? She must have spoken somewhere? Knowing your child was living with someone you later found out to be a psychopath murderer. I’d be outraged.

    Awhile back our fellow sandboxes “Kristi” mentioned that she has some access to public records, she was very helpful to me and posted some real estate and financial records, etc for the Arias parents/ siblings. Maybe Kristi could locate the ex Mrs. Brewer?

    • Kristy
      05/31/2013 at 8:03 pm

      I’m sure the ex mrs. Brewer doesn’t want to be reminded of Jodistein.

    • 05/31/2013 at 9:20 pm

      Really. I had no idea dear Kristi had those talents FoL let ‘s ask her next time just out of cutiousity if she happens to be able to do anything on this.

    • Kristy
      05/31/2013 at 9:25 pm

      Quite frankly, most states have public records online if she owns property, but why should she suffer any more than she no doubt has over being married at one point to an idiot that supports WOBO.

    • Kristi
      05/31/2013 at 9:53 pm

      Hmmm, I could try. Let me see if I can come up with a name.

      • 05/31/2013 at 9:54 pm

        helloo!!! :D

      • Kristi
        05/31/2013 at 10:15 pm

        Hi Syn! Sorry, I’ve been lurking, but the hung jury threw me really hard and i couldnt participate. I can’t even imagine what the Alexander’s are going through, because I was rather messed up and didn’t even know Travis. My therapist says I’m extremely empathetic. FYI, I’m not really insane, but I’m from California and everyone in California has a therapist. :-p Its like a law.

        FOL, I couldn’t trace her name via Darryl’s, probably because they were married too long ago and maybe didn’t have any joint debt or own property. If I could get a name, I probably could. But like the other Kristy said, she probably doesn’t want to be found. I’m sure Juan and Flores looked her up and she had nothing. Remember how Darryl said at one point that he moved back to Monterey to be close to his son. That tells me the wife had primary custody. I bet Brewer was one of those 1 weekend a month dads and both he and Jodi exaggerated the presence of the son to make themselves look better.

  99. deballyn
    05/31/2013 at 7:13 pm

    I comment so rarely because what I was oing to at was already said. But I’m always wondering about JA ‘s times of arrival . He always shows up ay 3-4AM I jus5 fjinf

    • 05/31/2013 at 9:21 pm

      Deco ya lost me on the jus5 fjinf ??

  100. Anna
    05/31/2013 at 7:32 pm

    Jill :
    Great, can’t wait to see it. Maybe I’ll lock her up in a room with the movies until she’s an adult, then it will b smooth sailing thru the teen years.

    no hunny, you need a fully fortified dungeon, doncha know? just kiddin’ i hope & all, but my daughter is now officially not happy about the very word dungeon. lol? yes, lol

    a movie definitely not for the kiddies:

    • Jill
      06/01/2013 at 1:24 am

      Hi Anna, I got a kick out of this. However, I wonder why you wrote “definitely not for the kiddies”. It looks like great fun for my daughter to watch.

      • Anna
        06/01/2013 at 7:52 am

        actually, i think you’re right, Jill. My kids have seen it. The only bad thing is that everyone gets super drunk and makes fools out of themselves, but hey, kids need to know that about life too, right? lol!!! Anyway, you simply must see the scene with the “birdie num nums” – it’s a riot!

      • Douglme
        06/01/2013 at 2:01 pm

        CBC use to play this movie every year on New Years Eve and I have probably seen it 1/2 dozen times…too funny!

  101. 05/31/2013 at 7:32 pm

    JVM on HLN has something about juror #17 saying she thought JA wanted to be the last one that he had sex with and that she was blackmailing him with the sex tapes… Wendy Murphy thinks that she was going to play the sex tapes for the Bishop or Mimi Hall

  102. 05/31/2013 at 7:37 pm

    My post disappeared.. On JVM —Juror #17 thought JA was going to blackmail TA with the sex tapes

  103. geri5699
    05/31/2013 at 7:44 pm

    My 2 posts didn’t take…maybe because I forgot to sign in..On HLN JVM said juror #17 said she thought JA was going to blackmail TA and wanted to be the last person who had sex with him

  104. geri5699
    05/31/2013 at 7:46 pm

    She was going to blackmail him with the sex tapes by telling him she was going to send them to the Bishop or Mimi Hal

  105. geri5699
    05/31/2013 at 7:47 pm

    sorry meant Hall

  106. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/31/2013 at 8:56 pm

    If I read correctly, since AZ passed the ‘we’ll-take-two -if-we-have -to’ law, there have been 27 or so DP juries that couldn’t call it the first time around. First thing, I was surprised at the number, but then read that Maricopa County is the 4th largest in the USA, so there’s a lot of stuff going on down in AZ.. Second, that’s a LOT of passing the buck. And not just metaphorically. It costs real money to do 27 “mini-trials” or plea all over etc etc. AZ, out of all 50 states (semi-educated guess) needed to have TWO goes at the DP? In the cost/benefit ratio, I don’t see it. Especially because it seems extra determined to “get” the “right response” which is not exactly in tune with the rest of the system–flawed as it is. I can understand States passing a law so that the jury – and not the judge – has to render a DP. It spreads the responsibility around to those “of the people.” If a jury is “hung” over guilt; the whole process starts over. Being “hung” during the “hang or not hang stage” is an apt metaphor.

    What they may have gained – a few extra deaths after 20 year of appeals? – versus what they have lost – millions of dollars; time and energy, prolonging victims closures; integrity about the jury process. Doesn’t seem worth it. My semi-educated guess is that they will eventually repeal this phase.

  107. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/31/2013 at 9:38 pm

    Meanwhile..In FL -courtesy NY Daily news – Jury took 2 hours to deliberate

    Florida man, 70, acquitted of killing wife’s 32-year-old lover despite prosecution’s erectile dysfunction claims

    “Ralph Wald entered his own living room, found his wife in the middle of making love to Walter Conley and then shot him with his .38-caliber revolver

    During closing arguments, the prosecution argued that the combination of Wald’s inability to have sex with his wife Flores (age 41)and finding her copulating with another man had sent him into a jealous rage

    Wald’s lawyers invoked the state’s stand-your-ground law, and said that their client thought the man on top of his wife was an intruder who was raping her, the Tampa Bay Times reported.

    “That same Constitution that he defended came to his aid when he needed it,” Episcopo said after the jury read its verdict. “He is the kind of American who has made this country great.”

    During the trial, Flores testified that she was “black out” drunk at the time of the incident, and the jury learned that she and Wald had agreed to seek therapy for their sexual problems.

    “I am elated, absolutely elated,” Flores said outside the Tampa courtroom. “Because my husband puts me first, he’s taking me to the Waffle House.”

    • 05/31/2013 at 9:45 pm

      “I am elated, absolutely elated,” Flores said outside the Tampa courtroom. “Because my husband puts me first, he’s taking me to the Waffle House.”
      :shock:

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/31/2013 at 10:10 pm

        LOL! my favorite line. She was soo happy! He took his couger wife to Waffle House after he was acquitted of killing her cub. He “always” put her first!

    • 06/01/2013 at 11:38 am

      OMG~The Waffle House????? Wait til I tell my hubby. See if I get to the Waffle House any time soon. ( bet not ;>))

  108. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/31/2013 at 10:07 pm

    Sandbox manners discussed.;Arias family in court discussed:

    From a book “Galateo” by Giovanni Della Casa (i598):

    Being “appropriate, pleasant and polite,” … “is either virtue or something very like virtue. And even though being liberal-minded or loyal or generous is in itself undoubtedly more important and laudable than being charming and courteous, nonetheless perhaps pleasant habits and decorous manners and words are no less useful to those who have them than a largeness of spirit and complete confidence.”

    (from nyt review of a translation):

    “Della Casa’s explanation for his rules of dress, table manners, gestures and speech is the need to avoid offending others. That is the basic bargain required to live in peaceful communities.

    Naturally, it never happens without a struggle. Although the fork had been introduced in France by the Italian Catherine de’ Medici when she married the future Henry II, Louis XIV was so annoyed to see a court lady use one a century later that he had hair put in her soup.”

    So be nice in sandbox, join in and chat,and finally, think about how even 400 years ago, the Arias Mother,aunt and Donoman would all have been considered “trashy” while the Alexander family would be seen as “classy.” Things dont change that much.

    btw:.wobo having to put her hair in soup? Warden! I got an idea!

    • 05/31/2013 at 10:13 pm

      maybe thats what Nurmi was on about in that photo posted “yesterday”. “Here.. for your soup.”

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/31/2013 at 10:16 pm

        Hahha good one. or “Here, lunch”

  109. Kristi
    05/31/2013 at 10:22 pm

    FOL and Syn, I replied to you both above # 441

    • 05/31/2013 at 10:33 pm

      Kristi.. yes… and yes.. and thank you it’s a curious situation but likely the ex wife had minimum knowledge of Jodistein anyhow. Im sure Jodistein knew as much of her as possible though. She copied the boob job.

      I too am hoping the son’s exposure to Jodi was minimal. There are two things that point to it.

      Firstly she had custody because Brewer had to move there to be closer to him (as you pointed out also)

      and secondly he said his lifestyle already limited free time with his son which is why he didn’t ask to marry Jodi.. didn’t want to cut down on the already limited time he and his son had together. Kind of an odd reasoning considering he and Arias were already living together but nonetheless that is what he said.

      • Kristi
        05/31/2013 at 10:43 pm

        Totally agree. Wouldn’t surprise me if WOBO stalked Darryl’s ex. I found it creepy that she included a pic of the ex wife in her mitigation power point and mentioned her in it, as if to say see I got along with my BFs ex. But I bet it was another Jodi photobomb, show up uninvited at the kids pizza party because it was at a public place and she could.

  110. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/31/2013 at 10:24 pm

    SYN- I thought there would be more sandy talk about the DP about the charge, and about the options. For a few days, i was trying to fit my response within a larger structure of assumptions and attitudes about “justice.”

    It doesn’t ,however, seem to be a popular topic. Maybe Sam, going to stable school riding a horse, along with a dog with silicone neuticles, is just is more interesting. What the hell, I’d read such a story first; ahead of some crap about “fairness”. Oh what is to become of us?

    • 05/31/2013 at 10:40 pm

      LOL Robherr are you alluding to your comments regarding felony and it’s potential confusion that HJ agrees with you? Or just the general lack of fairness in the end non result?

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/31/2013 at 11:06 pm

        well, yes on the felony. I thought they’d be a rehash of the pros and cons of addingthat charge & how it complicated the jury’s deliberation.
        And yes on the general sense of fairness. What is “fair” in this case? Why? Because it is a State issue, I was hoping AZ peeps would chime in. And how about this 2 goes at a “final answer?”
        And what is “cruel and unusual?” Hanging? Guillotine? Electric Chair? Gas? Lethal drugs? Shooting? 23 hours a day in solitary for
        life?
        Proponents of “states rights” always complain about “federal” interference. Problem is, states sometimes screw up with the US Constitution and that trumps all states. Paradoxically, they seem to invite Federal interference by stretching the Constitution beyond its breaking point.

  111. 05/31/2013 at 10:49 pm

    Kristi :
    Totally agree. Wouldn’t surprise me if WOBO stalked Darryl’s ex. I found it creepy that she included a pic of the ex wife in her mitigation power point and mentioned her in it, as if to say see I got along with my BFs ex. But I bet it was another Jodi photobomb, show up uninvited at the kids pizza party because it was at a public place and she could.

    Wow that’s how much notice I paid to her happy family pic show! I didnt even realise that… and wow ok wow!!

    So here Brewer cloaked himself in his testimony on the stand… yet Jodistein show’s a pic in her final presentation of the son’s mother? ok oi wtf!!! **head spin to digest that new tidbit!** oh yeah oh yeah.. at the 7 year old b’day party!! wow just wow! I didn’t actually process that until you pointed it out! See why you can’t lurk you are full off good stuff!!!

    • 05/31/2013 at 10:52 pm

      *of* not *off*! sheesh I always mistype those for some reason but never mis-write them I don’t get it!! :roll:

    • Family of Law
      05/31/2013 at 11:30 pm

      Good point Kristi! I thought it was odd, but I was thinking more along the lines that the ex got duped by JA too- but another JA photobomb makes more sense!!!!

      • 05/31/2013 at 11:34 pm

        what do you two mean by photobomb? That she went to the party unannounced or that she produced the photo in that final presentation to ‘out’ the mother because she knew they wanted privacy ie Brewer’s not being shown on camera? Or something entirely different?

        I’m confuzzled with that term sorry.

      • 06/01/2013 at 1:16 am

        From urban dictionary, definition for photobomb

        An otherwise normal photo that has been ruined or spoiled by someone who was not supposed to be in the photograph.
        The most common photobomb is someone in the background making a face.

  112. 05/31/2013 at 11:26 pm

    Robert exits Rotterdam :
    well, yes on the felony..
    And yes on the general sense of fairness. What is “fair” in this case? Why? Because it is a State issue, I was hoping AZ peeps would chime in. And how about this 2 goes at a “final answer?”
    And what is “cruel and unusual?” Hanging? Guillotine? Electric Chair? Gas? Lethal drugs? Shooting? 23 hours a day in solitary for
    life?
    Proponents of “states rights” always complain about “federal” interference. Problem is, states sometimes screw up with the US Constitution and that trumps all states. Paradoxically, they seem to invite Federal interference by stretching the Constitution beyond its breaking point.

    KathyA’s last post was interesting to this end because her tragedy occured in Arizona and she expressed her feelings in regards to the perpertrator pleading out and receiving LWOP over DP. She said she was in a way relieved because that meant it was over plus he’s in jail with speck.. I have seen a little of that guy I think.. he dresses up as a tranny and believe me it ain’t pretty!!!! . So with him locked in there at least she feels the court side of her ordeal is over and he is locked away without her having to face the horrors of the trial and potentially endless appeals.

    I think a lot of this covers the family’s wishes too. So many feel these are issues that should be left up to the family.

    As for the state rights and such well there has to be a level of knowledge before one can participate in this discussion and you are streets ahead of many of us on that one, me in particular!!

    The felony – initially my gut instinct – it was a great idea to cover bases but not knowing the law I had no idea it had any potential to muddy the waters. FoL ran it by her son (no not the horse!!) and he said he thought it was a masterful inclusion and saw no reason it would have caused any confusion… but she didn’t elaborate passed that.

    FoL perhaps you can give us a bit more insight into why he feels this way and why he doesn’t feel it was a complicating issue. as HJ and Robherr seem to.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/31/2013 at 11:43 pm

      also, correct if wrong, but 7 jurors voted for both premeditated and felony murder; while 5 voted for premeditated but not felony.
      Now “if” some jurors didn’t believe she brought a gun or knife to the house, they could vote felony as a way to feel comfortable with it- that was my take.
      But by giivng that “out” to the State case, did’nt the State loosen the grip of the penalty phase? And also, why was that even considered? It wasn’t unanimous? Was she also convicted of felony murder because 7 of then thought so?
      Of course if I have it screwed up. if it was 7 for pre-med and 5 for felony making the combo the 12 needed, then I understand the inclusion of the penalty. and even the complications, although I still think the duty was to reach a verdict.

      • 05/31/2013 at 11:55 pm

        ok this is my understanding and Im not legal but I tried to follow what was going on. all pre-med, 7 felony 0 felony only.

        So all thought she premeditated probably all thought she brought the gun because it was a big part of her planning it.. I therefore thought the 5 felony was because she didn’t leave his house… ie intruder she should have left when she could have. therefore it also fell into felony as far as I understood it not only the theft of “his” gun.

        This all needs to be qualified by the jurors themselves and the ones that didn’t vote DP don’t seem interested in clarifying these important points. The ones I have seen interviewed who did endorse a DP sentence have clearly explained their thinking on the gun issue but it has not been ask if they to voted felony/ premed or just premed.

      • Family of Law
        05/31/2013 at 11:56 pm

        The penalty phase going errant was due to 4 jurors believing that Travis was emotionally abusive, and felt that JA’s mitigating factors (mainly age and no prior criminal history) out weighed the aggravating factors. It is a very separate issue IMO from the addition of felony, and the variance of the 7 who voted for both.

      • Family of Law
        06/01/2013 at 12:00 am

        Felony could be found two ways- staged burglary at G&G’s home, or using Travis’s gun, remaining as an “unwanted visitor” and removing his gun from his home- either would be “burglary”.

    • Family of Law
      05/31/2013 at 11:52 pm

      Rear and Syn- I loved it when I initially heard Juan was asking for M1 premeditated / felony, the reason being, it gave the State two venues for the jury to find her guilty. Regardless of which story they believed, whether she used Travis’s or her Grandpa’s gun. My brother, and my horse (or son) both said they thought it was masterful. WIS had commented the same at the time of Juan’s closing. I don’t see where the complication is? Juan secured the M1 conviction as well as Cruelty. I think that’s a win, win. This penalty phase mistrial is not that unusual, and I think it was HJ that said in penalty retrials in AZ, the DP has been given 3 or of 5 times.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        06/01/2013 at 12:08 am

        explain how the7 and 5 worked. Which was NOT the unanimous charge? And if not unanimous, why did it enter the penalty discussions?Also its my take on the law that if there was no felony murder on the charge, the choices for the jury was either DP or LWOP.
        Why was it necessary to have it? I cant follow the reasoning, I sorta could when Juan first articulated it, I thought a way to deal with the gun IF someone thought she didnt bring it.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        06/01/2013 at 12:11 am

        well, its causing a lot of pleas to be made (LWOP instead of DP) instead of going to trial. as well The validity and morality of doing it at all interests me more than their success record at doing it.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/31/2013 at 11:59 pm

      “KathyA’s last post was interesting to this end because her tragedy occured in Arizona and she expressed her feelings in regards to the perpertrator pleading out and receiving LWOP over DP. She said she was in a way relieved because that meant it was over plus he’s in jail with speck.. I have seen a little of that guy I think.. he dresses up as a tranny and believe me it ain’t pretty!!!! . So with him locked in there at least she feels the court side of her ordeal is over and he is locked away without her having to face the horrors of the trial and potentially endless appeals.”

      ====Another reason why I regretted her being zoomed over the other day, Because it is EXACTLY her mindset that is relevant, to us here, and to the State that just went through prosecuting her nemesis

      What is necessary to serve as retribution for the victim and punishment for the society? Are Canada, Australia, 15 US states and all of Europe missing something when they eliminated the DP? Is there something in the messages from Iran, China, Libya, Saudi Arabia and the 35 American states that the others “don’t get?” What about what AZ does? Going for it twice?

      I wonder whether or not Americans prefer the “daddy” – the Supreme Court – to tell them what to do. I mean school desegregation, affirmative action, redistricting, abortion, death penalty, a presidential election – the states sometimes are like members of this jury–“someone has to make the decision here but it aint gonna be me!”

      • Kathy A.
        06/01/2013 at 1:53 am

        Hey, Robert –

        Thank you for your comments. I did have some responses when I had posted earlier about my husband’s murder and people have been great on here. I do post things off and on, but not as regularly as some of the others here. I believe the death penalty would be more effective if it were meted out more quickly and victims’ families didn’t have to experience endless appeals. One thing I was going to mention is that the killer, who has supposedly undergone a transformation in prison, has asked prison officials to contact me a couple of times because he would like to meet with me to apologize and ask for forgiveness. I know to forgive is divine, but I’m not there yet. Saying he’s sorry may assuage the guilt he feels, but I want him to feel guilty. Maybe at some point I’ll be ready for a meeting but not yet. I honestly don’t know how Travis Alexander’s family and friends were able to sit in the courtroom, just a few feet from Jodi Arias, day after day and hear the garbage that was said about him and not jump over the railing at her.

      • Kathy A.
        06/01/2013 at 5:24 am

        Hey, Robert, one more thing I wanted to clarify, if my post about LWOP and killer Richard Speck made it sound like my husband’s killer was in jail with Speck. Speck was incarcerated in Illinois and he died in prison in either 1990 or 1991 of a heart attack; the guy who killed my husband is in Florence here in Arizona. I used Speck as an example of why I’m hesitant on LWOP as a sentence, because at least for him, he adapted and seemed to be having a good time. Not my idea of a good time, but apparently it was his.

      • ringadingding
        06/01/2013 at 9:30 am

        Kathy, it makes me really angry that your husband’s murderer has asked to meet you and that the request was even passed on to you. It just feels so invasive and taunting (regardless of his intentions). I think there’s something wrong that prison officials felt compelled to share that with you. Imo, requests for contact should only come from the victim’s family. I’m so sorry. That just makes my blood boil.

  113. Family of Law
    05/31/2013 at 11:27 pm

    Syntara :
    FoL so everything went well I take it. Just a bit of healing to be done and you’ll be your ‘old’ self again! remember martinis can be medicinal also just not with painkillers!!

    Hiya Syn- yup, all’s well, and LOL my “old” self will be more dutiful with sunscreen! :-) But still, a martini sounds like a fine idea!!!!

  114. Family of Law
    05/31/2013 at 11:37 pm

    Kristi :
    FOL and Syn, I replied to you both above # 441

    Hi Kristi! Thank you! It would be interesting to see what you and your skills could come up with! The ex must feel as though she dodged a bullet having had her son spend so much time with JA.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/31/2013 at 11:46 pm

      Wonder whether or not she tried to “instruct” the kid in the “ways of the world” and I wouldn’t put it pass her.

      • 05/31/2013 at 11:57 pm

        gawd I hope not.. this is my real fear about the poor boy! I hope beyond hope her contact with him was minimal!

      • ringadingding
        06/01/2013 at 9:32 am

        ITA. She’s got a Mary Kay LeTourneau vibe to her.

  115. 06/01/2013 at 12:05 am

    For what it’s worth – Darryl and JA’s home info

    http://riverside.blockshopper.com/property/637381021/43755_virginia

    • Family of Law
      06/01/2013 at 12:11 am

      BG58, you’ve got mad search skills!!!! Bravo!!!!! Thanks for this!

    • 06/01/2013 at 12:16 am

      ok I clicked on the report for Harry Darryl (52) and it came up…

      I clicked on the report for (Jodi Anne Arias (32) and it comes up with an error saying report is unavailable.

      Anyone else get this?

      • 06/01/2013 at 12:19 am

        hmm ok now I go back to try to get Brewers again and Im getting an error on that too… glitchy maybe.

      • 06/01/2013 at 12:24 am

        I’m still looking at it but see JA related to the following, everyone probably already knows tho

        Bill Angelo Arias
        Bill A Arias
        Carlton Allen Arias
        Sandra D Arias

      • 06/01/2013 at 12:27 am

        every time I see Sandra D I think of grease “look at me I’m sandra Dee lousy with virginity… I dunno.. I just go there! sad sad sad!!!! more suited to Jodi’s little miss innocent act than the mother though.

      • 06/01/2013 at 12:28 am

        I’m seeing a link from their names to a service that will give you a report on them for a fee.

      • 06/01/2013 at 12:38 am

        Ha ha.

        Thank you for your take on Darryl. Insightful reading.

        Also neighbors are listed. Sheesh, is nothing sacred? Oth, nosed around for a bit and Mr. Alden has moved and appears to be living in La Quinta CA. I’m sure neighbors have stories to tell.

  116. 06/01/2013 at 12:07 am

    Family of Law :
    The penalty phase going errant was due to 4 jurors believing that Travis was emotionally abusive, and felt that JA’s mitigating factors (mainly age and no prior criminal history) out weighed the aggravating factors. It is a very separate issue IMO from the addition of felony, and the variance of the 7 who voted for both.

    Ya FoL it does seem a totally different issue to me to. They thought her being 27 was somehow mitigating.. personally I can’t get my head around that to me 27 is way beyond using as a mitigating factor but hey I guess some think 27 is young.. personally I see it as being a convenient ‘out’ but that’s just me.

    As for no criminal history.. Im sorry but beginning with ambushing a defenseless person in the shower. chasing him down and he tried to get away while dying.. then slitting his throat knowing he is still alive far outweighs never being caught for a crime previously.. another convenient ‘out’ to me but as I said…. that’s just me I guess.

    She didn’t have to drive there and she could have ran out of the house.. and no matter what happened when she ‘dropped the camera’ he was wet and naked he wouldn’t have chased her she wasn’t incapacitated in anyway she could have left that house.. but again.. that’s just me I guess.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/01/2013 at 12:17 am

      of course it a “different issue”; its why did the State feel they needed it IF it could screw up the penalty phase? The jury- for SOME reason had to consider LWP because of the felony murder charge. If thisis wrong, my whole concerns goes out the window.

      • 06/01/2013 at 12:21 am

        ah ok.. so the question you are asking is… because of the felony inclusion.. the LWP then go into the sentencing phase….

        got ya now. I dunno! FoL – ask the horse please! :P

      • 06/01/2013 at 12:23 am

        *got into the penalty phase* not *go* sheesh

      • Family of Law
        06/01/2013 at 12:26 am

        The DT filed a motion to include the two lesser charges Manslaughter “heat of passion” and “sudden quarrel”, the judged granted the motion- which is what pissed me off about the closing, suddenly they chucked “self defense” and went with “she snapped”.

        Maybe WIS will pop in and come to our rescue. I’m going to call my brother tomorrow and ask him these Q’s. They’re way over my head (my horse just shakes his head).

      • Family of Law
        06/01/2013 at 12:29 am

        The jury (my understanding, not fact) was to vote “Life” or “DP”- if the unanimously voted Life, the judge is who decides “natural life” or LWP.

      • Family of Law
        06/01/2013 at 12:36 am

        My understanding is that the State wanted to leave no room for any of them to NOT find Guilt. Juan wanted as much insurance as he could get to secure 1st degree premeditated. It was his ONLY avenue for the Death Penalty (furthering his argument for cruelty).

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        06/01/2013 at 4:26 am

        This I had in notes; and yet I have also seen that the Judge would decide -if jury voted no death and agreed on life – LWOP or LWP.
        Which is it is most impt question I think.

        1. Convicted of first degree murder pursuant to section 13-1105, subsection A, paragraph 1 or 3 and was at least eighteen years of age at the time of the commission of the offense, the defendant shall be sentenced to death or imprisonment in the custody of the state department of corrections for natural life as determined and in accordance with the procedures provided in section 13-752. A defendant who is sentenced to natural life is not eligible for commutation, parole, work furlough, work release or release from confinement on any basis.

    • ringadingding
      06/01/2013 at 9:38 am

      It’s hard for me to absorb how anyone could see the exchanges between them and think that JA was abused. After reading the timeline, it’s just so effing clear that they had a totally chaotic relationship that she ignited on a regular basis (his many pleas to get out and take her drama with her). I wish the point that he was reaching the boiling point as a reaction to her machinations, and not as the result of a character flaw, had been driven home more clearly. Dr. D was the only one I recall ever having pointed out that the pattern was limited to certain interactions.

  117. Family of Law
    06/01/2013 at 12:21 am

    Agreed!!! Her mitigating factors seemed a bit like an SNL skit to me! I never imagined that ANYONE on the jury would see 27 as anything but an adult that should clearly know right from wrong! The 4 simply couldn’t “kill” a young woman. The NO criminal history is beyond my brain!!!!! Her crazed, savage murder stands alone! No need to even consider her stalking, tire slashing or doggy door entries.

    And as Juan pointed out in his closing, perjury IS a crime.

    JA never intended to “avoid” a confrontation. She wanted him to not exist, and she “set him free”.

    • Kathy A.
      06/01/2013 at 2:03 am

      The no criminal history factor is a joke. It doesn’t matter if she never, ever jaywalked before she killed Travis, that’s what she was on trial for and if it was her first criminal act ever (even though we know it wasn’t), it was the grand master of all criminal acts. Just because she wasn’t caught doesn’t mean anything – she learned how to get into Travis’s home undetected somewhere – I wouldn’t be surprised if she broke into neighbors’ homes just to prove she could do it, engaged in shoplifting just to get away with it, and who knows what else. Her criminal mind didn’t just suddenly emerge on June 4, 2008. I don’t think she can be rehabilitated; if she were to have parole, I think she would spend her time toward that plotting revenge against anyone she feels wronged her.

      • Jill
        06/01/2013 at 2:52 am

        I agree Kathy. So, if she stole a pack of bubble gum in her past, then brutally torturing travis would b her second criminal act and then there wouldn’t b a mitigating factor? But, just because her torturing and brutally murdering of an innocent man is her first conviction, she has a mitigating factor of no prior criminal history? It’s I sane!

      • Jill
        06/01/2013 at 2:53 am

        Last sentence should read, “it’s insane!”

      • MMD
        06/01/2013 at 8:59 am

        Keep saying this but in my gut she has killed before, somewhere, somehow. I do NOT believe that TA was the first person that she killed. just sayin……………….

        Plus anything she minor she might have done before I’m sure that between her feminine wiles, store-boughts and providing sexual favours, she gotten away with tons of stuff.

  118. Robert exits Rotterdam
    06/01/2013 at 12:27 am

    Also–related but not intended to be dismissive -legal decisions are not like math equations. Many times votes are 5-4 in the SCOTUS. That means there is no “right” answer; its a question of (mostly) reasoning from past decisions or using logic to create a new decision. Change the people, change the vote. So while it is ALWAYS good to hear a lawyers opinion on a matter, it does not satisfy me as an answer per se. On this one, I can’t fully decide how I feel since I do not yet understand the thinking behind it. Bertrand Russell used to say that in order to understand a thinker, one had to have a “hypothetical sympathy” with the thinker first. And THEN, criticize it. I’m still trying to get my “hypo-sym” from the State ‘s thinking on the benefits and disadvantages of including the felony murder charge..

    • 06/01/2013 at 12:38 am

      Rhobherrr maybe there-in lies your confusion.. maybe your turmoil is inward but you are looking for an external answer. Perhaps you need to resolve the inner contention first.

      For me hearing FoL’s son’s opinion is very important.. maybe to you it isn’t because you have some inner counter point to mull over first. Maybe you need to satisfy yourself first then seek external assistance. I dunno but you seem very conflicted about this for some reason and don’t shoot me for saying so!

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        06/01/2013 at 12:48 am

        Of course Im conflicted. About the death penalty for sure. On legal issues I don’t defer to one side just because they are a lawyer.There are always at least 2 sides to every legal argument.And, frankly, I like having a horse that graduated from law school discuss it with me–neuticles or not, no problemo.

      • 06/01/2013 at 12:52 am

        she asked her brother Robert.. he is a fully fledged attorney!!

    • ringadingding
      06/01/2013 at 9:41 am

      You keep me on my toes with this Robert, because I easily accepted the felony murder addition to the charges. Of everything, the most important lessons I’ve taken from this (aside from an education in psychopathology) is that the charges and jury selection are everything. You get one of those wrong, it’s pretty much over.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        06/01/2013 at 5:38 pm

        So true. Last night I played the video of the Judge reading the instructions to jurors. My eyes were rolling in circles when she was describing how to use the mitigation versus aggravation factors. It makes one dizzy – and I generally LIKE challenging material! She laid out “the law,” and then said you can do how you feel. Say What?

        Its all the DP. It makes everyone uneasy and they walk on eggshells with almost everything. Eliminate the DP and replace with LWOP, and one has faster closure, less expense, and probably a better trial. The emphasis on ‘killing’ or ‘not killing’ takes precedence over ‘justice’ imo. My watching the case so intensely over these months has reaffirmed my feeling that in the big picture – the society as a whole – the benefits of DP do not outweigh the negatives, Does a conviction that takes 23 years to play out make any sense? Is’ eye for eye’ the sensible response?

        These remain questions to me even though I “wanted ” the jury to vote DP and “expected” them to vote DP. The 8-4 split is reflective of
        the society as a whole,I think.I know it “shouldn’t” have been that way -they were supposed to be ‘death qualified’ – but, same ole, same ole. Someone says “yeah I considered it.I didn’t agree’ and that’s the end of it.

  119. 06/01/2013 at 12:30 am

    Family of Law :
    I’m going to call my brother tomorrow and ask him these Q’s. They’re way over my head (my horse just shakes his head).

    .. and makes that flobble gobble lip noise I bet! :P and yay thanks yes plse do ask him!!! (Sam that is not the horse.. sheesh gotta clarify everything now!) :P

    • Family of Law
      06/01/2013 at 12:41 am

      I like “flobble gobble”!!!! (any Q’s on my family/ pet tree, simply refer to MMD’s Cliff Notes) lol! Sam, occasionally makes a flobble, and a gobble… But usually alcohol is involved.

  120. Robert exits Rotterdam
    06/01/2013 at 12:32 am

    Robert exits Rotterdam :
    explain how the7 and 5 worked. Which was NOT the unanimous charge? And if not unanimous, why did it enter the penalty discussions?Also its my take on the law that if there was no felony murder on the charge, the choices for the jury was either DP or LWOP.
    Why was it necessary to have it? I cant follow the reasoning, I sorta could when Juan first articulated it, I thought a way to deal with the gun IF someone thought she didnt bring it.

    As long as we’re going to Mr Ed’s stable– throw this at him also. Or WIS or jad or anyone who knows, can chime in.

    • 06/01/2013 at 12:43 am

      I thought they could arrive at first degree murder by one of two ways.. either felony or pre-meditated. It was the same outcome from the two different avenues open to them.

      For instance if 5 went felony only and 7 pre-med it still would = unanimous first degree. You probably aren’t asking this because you know so much more than me.. but it’s how I’m interpreting part of your question the other part I have no idea about. I think best to just wait for further opinions to be thrown in the pot after Mr Ed is consulted and/or if others in the know can chip in.

      Donchais or Ritanita may also have some insight into this issue.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        06/01/2013 at 12:53 am

        so after the guilt phase–after they had 12 votes for some version of “first degree” – the felony murder charge was never considered again? Maybe thats my confusion. I thought it was and I could never get a handle on it. If they couldnt agree on th DP why,not just choose Life? They didnt trustthe Judge to say “noparole”? No parole wasn’t “appropriate punishment”?

      • 06/01/2013 at 12:56 am

        as far as I understand it.. no it wasn’t. but as I said.. I could be wrong because of my extremely limited knowledge just been trying to follow along in her and what I watched during the trial.

  121. Robert exits Rotterdam
    06/01/2013 at 12:41 am

    Family of Law :
    The jury (my understanding, not fact) was to vote “Life” or “DP”- if the unanimously voted Life, the judge is who decides “natural life” or LWP.

    That clarifies some because Juan spoke of “parole: at his closing but Gidget said “it would never happen.” I knew that the Judge made a call like that after a jury voted in “regular murder” cases. But I thought First, degree with aggravating, only had 2 choices: DP or LWOP. And thus my feeling that this jury never felt that was their choice; either because they didn’t trust the Judge to pick the right one if that wsan’t their choice or some wanted parole offered. At least I see itthat way.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/01/2013 at 12:42 am

      I also was under the impression that they had to consider LWP because of the felony charge.

      • Family of Law
        06/01/2013 at 12:56 am

        That isn’t my understanding at all- but heck, I’m so confused now, that I think my son eats carrots and my horses eat burgers and beer.

    • Family of Law
      06/01/2013 at 12:44 am

      Giidget flat out lied! That pissed Juan off big time! I don’t even play a lawyer on TV, so I’m not qualified! But I know who and what to ask, so I will try and get some definitive answers.

      • 06/01/2013 at 12:50 am

        and please after each answer give Mr Ed some sugar! :P

      • Family of Law
        06/01/2013 at 1:00 am

        OMG, now he’s “Soldier Boy” (to my son) “Sweet Boy” (to me), “Mamas Boy” (to MMD) and now…. Mr. Ed!!!! He will need your psychiatric care to deal with his identity crisis! ***sugar cubes given*** (he will thank you in the morning, he’s very polite).

  122. Family of Law
    06/01/2013 at 12:53 am

    Robert exits Rotterdam :
    Of course Im conflicted. About the death penalty for sure. On legal issues I don’t defer to one side just because they are a lawyer.There are always at least 2 sides to every legal argument.And, frankly, I like having a horse that graduated from law school discuss it with me–neuticles or not, no problemo.

    I think Syn hit the Neuticle on the head.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/01/2013 at 1:06 am

      No one else is conflicted about the death penalty? No one else tries to understand the reasoning behind actions they don’t understand? Phew. maybe its a 61- 39 type thing.

      • Family of Law
        06/01/2013 at 1:17 am

        No, Robert I understand being conflicted. I’ve always had very mixed emotions about the DP. The fact that innocents have been put to death is excruciating to comprehend (especially because of the socioeconomic reasons). Illinois got rid of the DP in 2009, it was very controversial.

        As for this particular case though, I’m not conflicted. I believe she is pure evil. I defer to how the family of Travis feels, they want the DP, and I believe they deserve the justice they so desperately want.

  123. 06/01/2013 at 12:54 am

    Robert exits Rotterdam :
    Of course Im conflicted. About the death penalty for sure. On legal issues I don’t defer to one side just because they are a lawyer.There are always at least 2 sides to every legal argument.And, frankly, I like having a horse that graduated from law school discuss it with me–neuticles or not, no problemo.

    Robert.. dunno if you saw my answer upstairs.. but FoL is consulting with her brother who is a fully fledged attorney. That is who told her not to worry her pretty head cos either was JA is f@rked.

    • Kathy A.
      06/01/2013 at 5:01 pm

      I may be oversimplifying this, but my perception of why Juan added felony murder was try and ensure a 1st degree murder conviction with the death penalty on the table, especially if there were jurors considering a 2nd degree verdict, which would have guaranteed a shot at parole eventually. If some jurors weren’t quite sure it was premeditated, they could consider the killing in conjunction with or as a result of other crimes JA committed, like stealing the gun whether from her grandparents or Travis, burglary if he didn’t voluntarily let her in the house, holding him against his will, several things were mentioned. If some jurors had voted premed and the others just felony murder, the sentencing options would still be the same. And apparently 7 jurors believed she had done both – premeditated Travis’s murder and committed other crimes that contributed to his death. I could be completely wrong, but that’s how I looked at it. If that caused confusion in the jurors during the penalty phase, perhaps they should have asked for additional clarification before finally throwing in the towel.

  124. 06/01/2013 at 1:02 am

    ok Im going to hit the local heated indoor pool for some laps… my head is spinning trying to work out the washing machine on spin cycle that is now in my head!!! Gawd I hope there isn’t a camera in there… that could hurt!!! :P

    back later **waves**

    • Family of Law
      06/01/2013 at 1:07 am

      Have a good swim Syn! Work out the “brain kinks!”. See you tomorrow (today?) (your yesterday?) *****waves back at ya!*****

  125. Family of Law
    06/01/2013 at 1:04 am

    This song (speech) has been in my head all day! It’s from your Countryman Syn, Baz Luhrmann. It’s not totally OT, it contains advice JA could have used years ago.

    • 06/01/2013 at 1:11 am

      good stuff!!! :D Thanks FoL very uplifting!

    • Jill
      06/01/2013 at 2:25 am

      Hi, Ty, I enjoyed this!
      I’m glad it went smooth for u today. I’m also glad that u caught it and took care of it early before it lead to anything worse.
      I had one on my arm and the scar is so ugly, but I’m happy they caught it in time. (Btw, I’m not saying u will have scars, I just did cuz mine was very deep. )

      • Family of Law
        06/01/2013 at 10:18 am

        Thanks Jill, glad you and I both caught it early! As for the scarring, we should just consider them as reminders to be good girls with our sunscreen! In the 70’s, before I’d ever heard of skin cancer, my friends and I would lay out by my pool with record albums covered with tinfoil, to maximize our rays! Live and learn….

      • Jill
        06/01/2013 at 11:04 am

        Yes,I used baby oil :( so, so dumb!

      • Jill
        06/01/2013 at 11:05 am

        And I meant to also say…
        I’d rather have a scar than cancer any day!
        They r my battle wounds.lol.

  126. 06/01/2013 at 1:05 am

    Family of Law :
    OMG, now he’s “Soldier Boy” (to my son) “Sweet Boy” (to me), “Mamas Boy” (to MMD) and now…. Mr. Ed!!!! He will need your psychiatric care to deal with his identity crisis! ***sugar cubes given*** (he will thank you in the morning, he’s very polite).

    No Mr Ed is your mouth piece.. ie in this case your brother isn’t it?? :P Can you get with the program???

    gotta go hope this darn pool is nice and warm it’s colder here than I am used to!!

    • Family of Law
      06/01/2013 at 1:10 am

      Sheesh!!!! I need a damn score card. Swim fast, if pool is not warm!!!!

  127. Robert exits Rotterdam
    06/01/2013 at 1:46 am

    FOL=if its as simple as the felony was only for guilt; then I have no reason for finding confusion in that; somehow I was convinced that they considered parole and I didn’t think they were supposed to. I wondered why did they? I have always “blamed” the felony murder charge for that. Perhaps that was my error that compounded to thoughts of complications.

    I think the DP people found her getting out in 20 revolting, as the others found death revolting. An obvious compromise was LWOP. But they couldn’t vote that, because only the Judge can make that call. Bottom line they must have not trusted the Judge to make the LWOP call.. I mean one would think an 8-4 vote against the death, should have meant LWOP.

    I want to please the Alexanders. I want wobo punished. But I also want to assist my own growth and understanding of an issue. How she is punished isn’t as important to me as the judgement that she was not abused and committed first degree murder.I thought that the law required the jurors to vote DP as I saw the evidence. But it also allowed them to frame their judgement as outweighing the other view. Now the State will try and get a group that won’t chose that way. The process seems loaded against the defendant. It removes empathy from the equation; it places more judgement on the reading of texts and acceptance of a verdict than on the actual encounter with the individuals.involved.I hope she gets her due; but I also hope that AZ reviews its system of double trials for sentencing.

    • Family of Law
      06/01/2013 at 2:24 am

      It’s my belief that the felony charge has zero to do with why the jury was not able to reach a unanimous vote. The felony charge by the State was simply to ensure a premeditated Murder 1- and it did. I agree that those (8) who wanted the DP would have in no way been satisfied that JA had the potential of being out in 20 years, 52 is still quite young, and I believe she is more than capable of killing again.

      The day of closing Juan explained their “choices”, then Perky got her shot, and SHE muddied the water with a blatant lie re parole.

      Arizona has some very unusual laws, in a lot of states that have the DP- if the jury cannot vote DP unanimously, the judge then sentences LWP/ LWOP (but a judge cannot give the DP).

      My opinion is that the felony charge was not involved in the penalty phase mistrial. I think there were 3 key problems 1) Foreman Bill had bought the LaLa crap (and then admitted publicly, that he feels it’s wrong for mere laymen to invoke the DP!. 2) The (4) gave a tremendous amount of weight to a few of the mitigating factors 3) Some jurors did not understand the juror instructions, the simple math of mitigating vs aggravating.

      The newly empaneled jury will begin the trial knowing that she is guilty of 1st degree, premeditated/ felony murder. It will be a very abridged version of the trial, and I’m very curious how the facts will be presented on both sides. This will be a first for me, I’ve never seen or read about a penalty phase retrial.

      I will see what I can learn from my brother tomorrow… I am too pooped to think straight, off for some Zzzzzzzz’s G’night Rear!

  128. Robert exits Rotterdam
    06/01/2013 at 1:59 am

    from Death Penalty Info Center AZ:

    “In cases with multiple defendants, the “worst” offender does not always receive the worst punishment. For example, in Arizona, Patrick Bearup (pictured) was the only one among four co-defendants to receive the death penalty, even though he was not directly involved in killing the victim. The other three defendants, one of whom instigated the offense, another of whom beat the victim with a baseball bat, and a third who shot the victim, were able to secure plea bargains, avoiding trial. Two of them are likely to be released within 15 years. According to Dale Baich of the federal public defender’s office in Arizona, of the six inmates executed there in 2012, four were equally or less culpable than their co-defendants, and 3 of those 4 co-defendants have already been released. A judge who reveiwed Bearup’s case, criticized the prosecutor for pursuing the death penalty against a man who “even under the state’s theory, did not cause the physical death” of the victim

    Christopher Dupont, a lawyer in Arizona said, “Do people who commit equally heinous crimes get the same results? The answer is unquestionably no. It’s a total mystery who is going to face the death penalty and who is not.”

    —-the issue of “justice” and “fairness” is not removed from the deliberations, but it can’t be said that they prevail.

  129. Jill
    06/01/2013 at 2:10 am

    Hi syn, I know u r off for a swim, but maybe you’ll see this later….
    If Daryl was so worried about protecting his son, why did he ever move in with a woman and let her sleep in his bed? He is a horrible role model to let his child see a woman sleep in the same room and bed as dad. When I first heard Daryl speak months ago, I thought he sounded like a good dad who put his child first, but the more I learn, i think he put his sex life first.

    Also, someone mentioned that wobo used a picture of the ex in her slideshow. If I remember correctly, I don’t think she did. The only mention of the ex that I heard was in regards to a picture of wobo, jack and Daryl at chuck e. cheese. She said Daryl’s ex wife took this picture of the three of us.

    • Kristi
      06/01/2013 at 11:00 am

      Jill, I thought she showed a pic of her, but I didn’t go back and re-watch the video, so thanks for the correction. Either way, the main point being that Jodi included her in the mitigation presentation.

      • Jill
        06/01/2013 at 11:08 am

        Hi Kristi, I could b wrong….but, either way like u said, its the fact that she used her in her at all.

      • LRC
        06/02/2013 at 1:52 am

        You’re right. The picture that JA showed looked like that of a happy blended family – Darryl, Jodi, the son and the ex-wife.

    • 06/01/2013 at 5:18 pm

      Jill…. Brewer is a bad role model all around for that boy. It’s why I hope the mother is far more stable. I would love to hear from them more to reassure myself than anything else.

      I mean Brewer blaming PPL and LDS for her sudden change? For her decision to just stop paying bills and not having sex with him after all that time? The guy has some serious denial and cognitive issues. Excuses those behaviours are not healthy and should not be so easily dismissed especially after all these years he has had to process the full picture.

      To pass that kind of decision making to his son is downright scary and I hope the son sees it for what it is and is more akin to the “glad she dumped you, Dad”.. than how his father views the situtation.

      As the guys here say… he was just beguiled by her seductive siren sexual charms and has a very unhealthy disconnected view of what the relationship was really about but dear lord, don’t pass that onto your son!

  130. Anna
    06/01/2013 at 7:49 am

    Kathy A. :
    No apology needed. I’ve been here; and honestly, the conversations get going so heavy sometimes that it’s easy to miss something. I know I have. Thank you, though. I enjoy your posts.

    Hey Kathy A!!! Top of the day to you, where ever you might be. I’m having a really hard time myself, and I hope no one minds that I keep posting humor and music links but that is my kind of therapy, and if one link cheers up one person I am cheered. :) Thank you for your reply. Hope you’re doing as well as possible.
    And thanks again to all for putting up with me. Happy Trails!

  131. Anna
    06/01/2013 at 8:03 am

    To Kathy A:
    I just read upstairs about what happened to you. No words really, just respect for what you have been through & are going through. I’m facing a trial separation from my husband of 26 years…but I sincerely hope all will work out. I hate divorce!!! Sorry to spittle all over here, but I think we all know that life is hard and we just want to reach out and be there for complete strangers in need. We are all pretty weird, ya know. Just kidding, normal people, stop it all day… :lol:

    • Family of Law
      06/01/2013 at 10:24 am

      Anna, I’m so sorry that you’re going through a very difficult time in your marriage- I truly hope that you both work through it and find answers that give a happy outcome. (((((HUGS))))))) sent your way.

      • Jill
        06/01/2013 at 11:09 am

        Ditto from me too, Anna!

    • Kathy A.
      06/01/2013 at 5:05 pm

      Anna,
      I’m also sorry to hear about your separation and I hope things will work out for the best and thank you for your kind words to me as well. Life is hard but you tend to find out you’re more resilient than you thought when things are thrown at you. Personally, I think someone in my family tree pissed off some gypsies somewhere along the way. :D Take care of yourself.

      • Anna
        06/01/2013 at 5:47 pm

        oh my gravy, i just died laughing my ass off with your gypsy reference….Kathy A. As that batman movie says, ‘why do we fall down? So we can learn to pick ourselves up again.’ or something like that. So true. Thank you.

        FOL & Jill thank you so much for you kind cyber words support. I know you guys are all so nice, I seriously want to buy an island and have us all move there…with miles to separate us, mind you (i’m not a complete idiot), but we’d have sand, shovels, buckets & umbrellas gallore!!! Sometimes I kinda wonder whether the “older” gen gets it anymore. I mean, i don’t want to get off on a rant here or anything, but actually i do and can’t. Blah blah lah…play me a violin tune, right?
        oh wait, i am becoming the older generation…but I’ll do my derndest to do better, ok? ok. Why aren’t i funny anymore? i thought i used to be. i want to make a living making people laugh and bringing them puppies & kittens to play with. Yays, I have issues. LMAO :wink:

      • Jill
        06/02/2013 at 1:40 am

        U r hilarious Anna! I really like your idea…an island of nice people!
        We can leave our doors unlocked , let our kids play outside and go to the market alone on their bikes, not worry about mass murderers coming into our malls, schools, theaters, homes, etc., etc.
        we could live miles apart, but we could have a little town in the center of the island where we could meet when we want to chat and visit.
        Btw, batman is another great old movie that my daughter loved. A little fake on the action scenes, but we were laughing at how silly it was.
        Let me know when u find the island!

  132. MMD
    06/01/2013 at 8:41 am

    Anna you here?????

  133. MMD
    06/01/2013 at 9:32 am

    Anna – I’ve just read what you wrote and I kinda, sorta had a feeling by a few things that you had said and your music choices that something was going on with your marriage and I’m so very sorry and I am always available to chat as are so many others on here if you decide you want to. I agree divorce sucks.

    My dearly beloved late mother always used to say to me that things will always work out for the best (during my worst depths of despair as everyone has gone through I could never see it) but you know what, she was right. Things always do have a way of working out for the best. {{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}} darlin’ xoxo

    • Anna
      06/01/2013 at 10:05 am

      Thank you so much MMD. You touched my heart with your words, as you do for so many of us here. That’s what this nice playground is all about! I’ve gotta go do things now but I’ll be back later & hopefully I’ll have some brand new colorful toys for us all to build sandcastles with! {{{{nice mama bear hugs}}}}} :)

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        06/01/2013 at 1:49 pm

        hey Anna! It has not gone unnoticed that every time you pop in, you make an attempt to cheer everyone up and your motto seems to be that “it takes 31 muscles to frown and only 13 to smile, so why make the extra effort” and your spirit has always found a welcoming brood here. In that vein, we extend our most supportive thoughts in your direction. Inner peace and calm is not a right; it has to be earned, While you are earning it, your admirers cheer you on!

      • Anna
        06/01/2013 at 3:53 pm

        Robert, you are so seemingly, amazingly wise. How do you do it? (oh, you need not reveal secrets mmmkay!) lol. When you say, “Inner peace and calm is not a right; it has to be earned,” I think to myself, darn it! He’s so right! Oh, and what’s the matter with me?….oh wait, it’s called LIFE! And apparently we’re all going through it like crap through a goose.[ oh sorry, I said that out loud.] Gonna go find a video to post. yep, that’s what i just said…it’s called outside adversity. And we must deal with it. xoxo to all, not just Roberto :)

  134. ringadingding
    06/01/2013 at 9:55 am

    Boy, this is the first time I’ve been too busy to check-in and have to play catch-up. It’s stressful! Another busy day coming up today, but I wanted to weigh in on Syn’s excellent analysis of DB. You know, I don’t think I’ve ever disagreed with you, Syn, and I’m not sure I disagree with you on this either…but there’s something about that guy that makes me think he was no victim of JA’s manipulations.

    I know that some people on here have voiced frustration at the level of speculation, but that’s all I’ve got…so if it offends anyone’s sensibilities, just smile and wave as you pass on to another post.

    My speculation is that he may be the true abuser in JA’s history, the one whose actions she assigned to Travis. If not, he has that quality about him, so controlled and measured that it’s scary to me. You mentioned the same thing about his demeanor, Syn, so maybe I’m just misreading your analysis. I just think he’s more hip to her hop, if you know what I mean. It could be that he’s in denial or covering his ass because she’s got something on him, which leads me to another speculation:

    Jodi borrowed gas cans from him as a way to involve him (even if only in her own sick mind) in the murder. She could have easily bought them with cash somewhere. She had the money. There was something about needing to weave him into this that filled a need for her–whether it was for her own secret pleasure or something to hold over him. His allegiance to JA is almost rehearsed, as though making sure to follow instructions. I just don’t think someone who’s ignorant of the spider would be that careful.

    • geri5699
      06/01/2013 at 1:24 pm

      I agree with what you say . I think he did abuse her to some extent.. In the police interrogation tape #4 at 24:00 minutes, right after JA gets done telling Flores how she kicked her dog, she mentions how “the man she bought a house with” caused her to have a nervous breakdown.. I don’t think she ruled the roost. She couldn’t get DB to marry her.

    • 06/01/2013 at 1:26 pm

      Ringading,.. he is very ‘controlled’ but I can’t see him as the abuser.. his body language shows he only lies a very few times in comparison to JA and those times are to do with what she has said on the stand and her story with the trial so I just can’t see he is the abuser.

      I think he was th e soft spoken, even keeled facilitator and that comes across as kinda eerie to many of us because it’s unnatural. He is almost dispassionate another disconcerting feature. Abuser I don’t think so… enabler yes I do think very much so.

      You know like the mother who constantly makes excuses for her sons behsviours? Oh yes he did hit you.. but he doesn’t mean it.. and he really doesn’t lie that much.

      In Brewer’s case.. “Well yeah she didn’t get pn with her parents but it wasn’t her fault they didn’t understand her” “Yes she kicked the dog and it never came back but she was only young and it made a huge mess she had to clean up” “well she did hit her brother with a baseball bat but that was his fault he shouldnt have said what he did” “Her father said she lied all the the time but she never lied to me I never saw that in her when we were together” and there are probably a thousand more examples we have no clue about.

      That’s how I see him anyhow. Plus if he was an abuser to her she would have turned on him in a second and never been with him that long.. manipulators have to manipulate that’s what they enjoy. To me he was her willing puppet and a very spooky one at that. I don’t know why but when I see him in that interview the movie “Chucky” comes to mind. He reminds me so much of Chucky not in personality but in head movements and the way he talks.”

      • ringadingding
        06/01/2013 at 1:58 pm

        Okay. I can see this. Syn. I’ll need to watch his interview again and apply your thinking to it, although I’m not a drinker so I have no idea what will get me through it. Chocolate can only carry me so far down this sewer drain…

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/01/2013 at 1:52 pm

      “Jodi borrowed gas cans from him as a way to involve him (even if only in her own sick mind) in the murder. She could have easily bought them with cash somewhere. She had the money. There was something about needing to weave him into this that filled a need for her–whether it was for her own secret pleasure or something to hold over him.”

      Loved this. Think it so. Same thing with MM and the letters he forged. She tried to ensnare others, before and after, in her plight.

  135. Kathy A.
    06/01/2013 at 10:05 am

    ringadingding :
    Kathy, it makes me really angry that your husband’s murderer has asked to meet you and that the request was even passed on to you. It just feels so invasive and taunting (regardless of his intentions). I think there’s something wrong that prison officials felt compelled to share that with you. Imo, requests for contact should only come from the victim’s family. I’m so sorry. That just makes my blood boil.

    Thank you. I know some prisons have instituted programs for victims and perpetrators to meet and it serves as sort of a victim impact meeting and some people are all for it. As I said, I’m not there yet. The guy was a crack addict and I know I’m going to hear how he has gotten clean and probably found God and is a different person and maybe he’s genuinely sorry for what he did. All of that is well and good but right now, he needs to seek his forgiveness elsewhere.

    The organization MADD has promoted what are called Victim Impact Panels that are currently only used for cases involving drunk drivers, where four or five people who are victims of a drunk driver – either they themselves or they lost a loved one – get together on a panel and as part of a DUI offender’s sentencing, he or she meets with the panel and listens while the panel members talk about how a drunk driver has impacted their lives. The one rule is that the victims never confront their own offenders; it gives them a chance to talk about what happened and the offender gets to hear how his or her crime affects people. It’s a fairly new concept and as I mentioned, only being used for drunk driving convictions right now and seems to have some success and there are courts that feel it is more likely to protect a convict’s rights than direct victim impact statements. Not sure how I feel about that, either.

    In my case, if the guy is truly sorry for what he did, then he’s got a long time in prison to live with his thoughts and realize not only what he did to my husband and I, but how he f**ked up his own life as well. Now someone like Jodi Arias, on the other hand, I truly believe as Syntara and many others have pointed out that she just doesn’t have the capacity for remorse and self-reflection. She’ll use her time in prison scheming and continuing to blame everyone else. One of the most telling statements from her (among many others) was when she did the interview right after she received the guilty verdict and was asked what she would do differently if she could do it over again, and she said she would have called the police after. Never did she say “I wouldn’t have killed Travis in the first placel.” She feels completely justified and doesn’t care.

    • ringadingding
      06/01/2013 at 10:26 am

      Yes, that program with MADD rings a bell. It’s a much safer way for victims to share the impact the crime has had on them in a way that might be heard. I think that’s part of what drives my emotions in this…the fact that the murderer wants you to listen, when it should be the other way around (if at all, and only if you initiated it). It smacks of narcissism.

      And that’s a great point about JA’s hypothetical do-over! Not once has she said she would not murder him. Even when it comes to the part of turning herself in, and whether or not she would do that right away, she equivocates. It’s maddening.

      • Kristi
        06/01/2013 at 11:55 am

        That is probably the single most important factor in so many people wanting to see Arias die: that she has never once even come close to expressing any regret for killing him. If she had said “I should have never driven to Mesa that day” or “If I had it to do over, I would have turned and ran out the front door and never looked back” we might be able to see remorse. Instead, we see this psychopathic killer who sees nothing wrong in what she did, feels that she was entitled to do it, therefore poses a significant threat to do it again. Jodi Arias perceives anyone’s assertion of their own personal boundaries as an affront to her, and therefore deserving of punishment. This is the scariest type of criminal out there.

        I am not a proponent of a death penalty. For many reasons, fiscal, ethical, moral, etc. but this case has caused me to rethink it. The purpose of the sentence is to #1, punish the perpetrator, and #2, protect society from being harmed by the perpetrator again. For most criminals, prison will adequately serve those purposes. It won’t for Arias, she is too manipulative and dangerous. The 4 jurors were duped! Not all monsters look like Charles Manson.

    • Beans
      06/01/2013 at 10:38 am

      Well said KA, and I agree with your stance.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/01/2013 at 1:31 pm

      KathyA-Thanks for catching us on the fly and also for further explaining some of your experiences. I still marvel at what appears to be your sense of accommodation with
      what happened. Of course, what option do you have, but still, to be articulate and even gracious after such horror, is a testament to your character. I’m with ringading thinking the defendant’s reaching to you was wrong and for his own peace of mind. You have every right to resist such attempts to ease his conscience. On the other hand, I am truly moved by some of the MADD activities that attempt to bridge the desire for punishment, with a notion of forgiveness. They say one can forgive and not forget; I think I’m more the ‘I’ll forget before I’ll forgive’ school so when people actually go through with a process of reconciliation and forgiveness, I remain a bit in awe.

      • Kathy A.
        06/01/2013 at 5:32 pm

        Robert – it took me awhile to get to this place in my life. I had anger and bitterness and thoughts of revenge, and I still do sometimes, but I don’t think he deserves that much of my time and energy any longer. There’s also that cynical voice inside of me that questions what he really wants in trying to meet with me – maybe just to soothe his conscience but as I said, I’m cynical.

        The studies that have been done so far on the Victim Impact Panels have been positive. The victims say that it does give them a chance to start the healing process and they hope that they can positively impact the offenders they talk to, so that when that person gets out, he or she won’t get behind the wheel of a car when drinking again.

    • Douglme
      06/01/2013 at 10:02 pm

      Exactly, good point!

  136. NancyB
    06/01/2013 at 11:43 am

    Still trying to catch up – Syn great job on DB but my memory is that they *always* had separate bedrooms. I think it was JA that explained about that to Det Flores in the Interrogation videos. She explained that she had all her furniture and didn’t want to get rid of it. She also said that she sometimes slept in Darryl’s room and he sometimes slept in hers. Anyone else have any memory of this?

    Also, another DB lie that he told to Michael Keifer & lady that conducted the interview was that he was the one that ended the relationship with Jodi. He slipped that in explaining something else that the interviewer had asked him. Revising their history to make himself feel better? Not sure, but I’m positive that he lied about it. Got to go to Home Depot, be back later.

    • 06/01/2013 at 1:35 pm

      ohh I thought they had moved into separate rooms after she became all virginal… I’ll definitely go and look that up on the tapes when I get time thanks NancyB :)

      and yeah that getting it in that he ended it.. yeah well maybe he did in a way what the finality was who knows…. but it was only cos she had walked away from any investment in the relationship long long before the final split occurred anyway .. it was a very strange thing to say and to me reflected a lot of his denial and as you say maybe a way to stamp some kind of authority on the whole thing.. because he sure seemed to be lacking it it to me.

  137. Kristi
    06/01/2013 at 12:43 pm

    In 1993, my friend Corinne’s son Troy was murdered by a mentally deranged man. Troy was only 22 and a random target in a crowd. The killer is serving life in prison and once the man was medicated and treated for his illness, he felt terrible about what he had done. He wrote to Corinne and sincerely apologized. Corinne went to the prison some years ago, met him and she forgave him. She is active in both a prison ministry with her church and victims bereavement groups and has spoken publicly about this so I’m not revealing any confidences. I think the huge step in being able to forgive lies in whether or not the killer is truly able to understand that it was all their fault and has true remorse and genuine sorrow for their actions; rather than only sorrow for themselves that they got caught. When a criminal can acknowledge that he or she deserves the punishment, and the apology and reaching out is intended to alleviate the suffering of the victims and the perpetrator realizes no gain from it, then I could see speaking with them. I’m not sure how often that really happens. I know it sometimes does. In my opinion, the first clue of genuine remorse is a guilty plea right off the bat.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/01/2013 at 1:43 pm

      It’s almost presumptuous for anyone not involved in such trauma to offer an opinion of what “should” or “should not” happen. I will say that I have seen some documentary film work on the encounter of prisoners with what they had done and to see real remorse, and real horror at one’s own actions, is to see inside a raging soul in deep pain. Seeing such, seems like a way for the victims to at least move in the direction of accepting remorse and forgiveness as mutually supporting arches for each one’s recovery.

      But without any true remorse, without any understanding or acknowledgement of the enormous pain and loss caused by one’s actions – the type of attitude wobo shows regularly- is surely a despicable renunciation of any of the components of true sorrow. I also agree that a guilty plea is the first response needed for this journey. Anything less is a further spit in the face of the victim and the victim’s family.

      • Beans
        06/01/2013 at 2:16 pm

        forgiveness isn’t about absolving the perp. of their crime or acknowledging their newly discovered remorse. It’s a way for victims to release the burden of pain and hurt they carry within. If left untended it can become a cancer that affects every aspect of one’s life thereafter. I was horribly abused as a child and it took many years to come to this understanding of forgiveness – when I did, many years ago, a great weight was lifted. It wasn’t about the abuser, it was about me. I’m a little embarrassed putting this out there but I feel strongly about the subject and empathize with all of these painful stories.

      • Kristi
        06/01/2013 at 3:34 pm

        It was not my intent in any way to presume any circumstances under which a victim should forgive, or if they should forgive at all. I am so sorry if any victims here thought that is what I meant. Heavens no, and I think any family has good cause to never forgive the murder of their loved one. My purpose was just to show a circumstance under which one victim forgave and to highlight that perpetrators behavior was so very different than WOBOs. I sincerely didn’t want to offend with my statement.

    • Beans
      06/01/2013 at 3:52 pm

      Kristi, my comment was in no way directed at you. ( hope this shows up in the proper place)

      • Kristi
        06/01/2013 at 4:03 pm

        Beans, sorry I should have clarified. I was responding to Robert’s reply. It sounded to me like maybe he thought I was saying that all victims should forgive and I didn’t mean that at all. Thank you though. :-)

  138. NancyB
    06/01/2013 at 1:48 pm

    Hi Kristi! The last sentence of your comment sums it up for me. Your friend Corinne is amazingly evolved and I truly admire her. I’m not sure that I would have the forgiveness gene if some random person purposefully murdered my child. I’m not saying that I’m in the right on this issue but I know myself pretty well.

    • Kristi
      06/01/2013 at 3:41 pm

      It was a long journey for her. It had a lot to do with her Christian faith. The sincerity of the apologies she got from the killer, who if I recall correctly, never blamed anyone else or tried to get out of it. And like Beans said, it ultimately healed her more than anything. Nancy, i am not sure I could do it either. In fact, honestly, if someone killed my child, I can’t say I wouldn’t be in a cell myself at some point as a result of old fashioned revenge.

  139. Robert exits Rotterdam
    06/01/2013 at 2:04 pm

    Was reading up on the AZ codes and the history of the DP in the State. 3 times in the past 30 years the Supreme Court has ruled on AZ cases. They involved “ok-ing” the DP for participants in a felony/murder and the”cruel and heinous” factor as an aggravating factor and making the jury, and not the judge, the finder of aggravating circumstances.

    Prior to August, 2002, sentencing was handled entirely by the trial judge without jury input. So the whole process in AZ is still relatively new.

  140. Robert exits Rotterdam
    06/01/2013 at 2:06 pm

    Uh Oh. Good news for the Defense! A place for wobo’s “art” A “mitigating” factor?:

    Museum of Bad Art (in Massachusetts)

    They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but we’re sure anyone who looks at these works of art will agree that they’re all terrible! The Museum of Bad Art is the world’s only museum dedicated to preserving and collecting – and showing off – all kinds of bad art.

    The Museum of Bad Art gives terrible works of ‘art’ somewhere to call home

    The museum “works long and hard at building the finest bad art establishment in the world,” according to their website.

    No matter the shape, size or extent of ugly each piece exudes, the museum is the one place the works of “art” can call home.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/01/2013 at 2:12 pm

      wording from NY Daily News

  141. 06/01/2013 at 2:12 pm

    ringadingding :
    Okay. I can see this. Syn. I’ll need to watch his interview again and apply your thinking to it, although I’m not a drinker so I have no idea what will get me through it. Chocolate can only carry me so far down this sewer drain…

    Ringading.. also.. your paragraph re why she involved him.. that’s very interesting and you have got me thinking about that. because as you say there was a reason for maybe just habit but I think it’s more than that.. as I say thinking on it :D

    … but also “flies in the face” of her feeling abused by him in any way or she would not have trusted him enough to include him. She only involved him because she felt she had control over him not the other way around.

    How much do those gas can’s cost.. $12 bucks or something those receipts showed I think??

    • ringadingding
      06/01/2013 at 2:22 pm

      Good point, it does put her in the driver’s seat in that relationship.

      And yes, I think the new gas can was for around $12. Two used gas cans in exchange for a stolen DVD player, and then turning around after two hours to return the remote…it just doesn’t add up. The fact that she did not return the gas cans does indicate he was giving them to her or trading them. But are they of equal value to a used DVD player? I guess DVD players aren’t that expensive, but even so… it’s like so much of this case. A real head scratcher.

      • 06/01/2013 at 2:54 pm

        Ringading.. I think this whole thing is just one big murk pond and I feel there is a piece that if we had it could be the “aha” moment.

        What if she didn’t drive all that way and then turn back.. I’ve always been suspect of that story.. she never tells the truth anyway and that one sounds like one of her particularly badly thought out excuses. What if she actually did stuff around town then, when convenient, took it back? We only have her word that she drove all that way then turned around.

        Wonder what colour her hair was when she went back to see Daryl with the remote.. guessing she wouldn’t have been stupid enough to have changed it by then but with her narcissism who knows.. maybe she went to him for an opinion .. “how do I look”? or just to see if he noticed? I don’t know if Brewer was asked about her hair colour at both stages was he?

    • Kathy A.
      06/01/2013 at 5:46 pm

      This is also complete speculation on my part, but I have wondered more than once if the 9mm gun and knives found in JA’s car when she was pulled over were intended for Brewer. She felt she had pulled off the perfect crime, no one would be able to link her to it (in her mind, anyway), except for him. He could link her to the gas cans and she told him she was going to Mesa. Again, it’s just pure speculation but I wonder why those items were not introduced at trial? When Scott Peterson was stopped, he had cash and his brother’s ID, a shovel, and other things in the vehicle and they were introduced at trial. Completely different set of circumstances, I know, but I thought it would have been one more piece of circumstantial evidence against her. Unless I missed her talking about it on the stand – I know she did give the excuse at some point that she was going camping with some guys that she didn’t know and had the weapons for protection.

      • 06/01/2013 at 5:56 pm

        yes she said she had brought the gun for protection for some camping trip…. further insight that she had no qualms in killing and no understanding that she shoud be horrified at what she had done only weeks earlier. That whole camping trip justification held a lot of insight and not only for the obvious.

        Ridiculous reasoning, what did she really buy it for?… and shows she had no compunction to kill again if it suited her to do so even right after she had killed Travis.

        Another thing those jurors should have considered as aggravating factor… she openly admitted she would have no hesitation to kill even if it was somewhere she deliberately put herself to facilitate it.

  142. Robert exits Rotterdam
    06/01/2013 at 2:32 pm

    Beans :
    forgiveness isn’t about absolving the perp. of their crime or acknowledging their newly discovered remorse. It’s a way for victims to release the burden of pain and hurt they carry within. If left untended it can become a cancer that affects every aspect of one’s life thereafter.

    Do you mean that one has to forgive in order to be “free?” That remorse of the perpetrator is not a factor in this? That seems either very Christian or very delusional to me. I can see how one can reach an accommodation with an injury without forgiving the actor who caused the harm but to forgive without any remorse? I dunno.

    • Beans
      06/01/2013 at 2:53 pm

      there’s nothing christian or delusional about it. murderers/ abusers are who they are. once one understands that a victim can erase the perp from the equation and move on without them. I’m not a wordy guy, I find it difficult to explain in this forum.

      • MMD
        06/01/2013 at 2:59 pm

        I think you make perfect sense. Once you remove the perp and move on, then you are no longer a victim and they no longer have any hold on you.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        06/01/2013 at 3:03 pm

        I understand this. I just wouldn’t use the word “forgive.”

      • 06/01/2013 at 3:31 pm

        I get it.. but I would use the word acceptance rather than forgiveness because personally I don’t think I will ever get to forgiveness and there are those out there that say if you can’t forgive you can’t move on and I do not accept that.

        I feel it is necessary to truly, sincerely, deeply accept which is the last stage of grief…. but I do not think it is necessary to forgive.

        Maybe one day I will change my mind on this but I’ve thought and thought on it over the years on many levels and for me forgiveness doesn’t work but acceptance most certainly does.

      • Beans
        06/01/2013 at 3:34 pm

        well, Robert, pick your own word as long as you can embrace the concept.(still battling PC gremlins, hope this is placed properly)

      • Beans
        06/01/2013 at 3:38 pm

        part of is forgiving yourself for being a victim.

  143. MMD
    06/01/2013 at 2:43 pm

    Beans :
    forgiveness isn’t about absolving the perp. of their crime or acknowledging their newly discovered remorse. It’s a way for victims to release the burden of pain and hurt they carry within. If left untended it can become a cancer that affects every aspect of one’s life thereafter. I was horribly abused as a child and it took many years to come to this understanding of forgiveness – when I did, many years ago, a great weight was lifted. It wasn’t about the abuser, it was about me. I’m a little embarrassed putting this out there but I feel strongly about the subject and empathize with all of these painful stories.

    Beans you are exactly right. I not really here today but your comment really hit a cord. The more you hold on to anger/resentment the more you are still emotionally involved with the abuser, perp, whomever. Once you are able to forgive, only then are you able to move on with your life, will a great weight lifted. No matter what it is about, as long as it is festering inside, you are emotionally unable to recover. It took a lot of time and therapy for me to come to that realization.

    And Beans, kudos to you for putting yourself out there!! There is not one single reason to be embarrassed in front of any of us because you are ONE of us. How can any of us learn and grow at Donchais University if we don’t share. All of us have gone through some major trauma or life experience and I’m sorry you were abused. But you grew in spite of it. Plus the point you raised about forgiveness is so very, very vitally important!!! Thanks for sharing and pointing this out.

    MMD xoxoxo

    • Beans
      06/01/2013 at 2:58 pm

      Thanks for ‘getting’ it when I didn’t explain it very well – clearly you know what I’m talking about.

      • NancyB
        06/01/2013 at 3:06 pm

        Beans – I get it too and you are often brief, succinct but solidly eloquent. I heart you.

      • Kristi
        06/01/2013 at 3:46 pm

        You explained it very well. And thanks for your bravery at sharing. Good for you at overcoming. I think talking about it is another step toward victory over it.

      • Jill
        06/02/2013 at 2:07 am

        Beans,
        Ty for sharing! So, so sorry about what u went thru. No child should ever go thru what u did. I am glad u found a way to help u carry on. Thinking of u!

  144. 06/01/2013 at 2:46 pm

    Just chipping in to the discussion re victims talking to perpetrators.

    I have been involved in some of these interviews. In a professional capacity – so as an ‘observer’. They can be very cathartic for some participants but others come out feeling ‘empty’ not really knowing how to feel… at least at the time.

    Sometimes it resonates later and they can draw from it when they are in a different emotional state It almost runs the gamut, but generally it tends to be positive for the visitor. The meetings are screened. If the perpetrator does not truly exhibit remorse, in the program I have been involved in, the meeting is never offered. It is all about the victim not the perpetrator and it is up to the visitor to accept the offered invitation.

    But… I have only been involved in one where death resulted and it was heart wrenching on both sides. The young man was truly struggling with what he had done (alcohol, heat of moment and freak accident). The mother of the victim, such a lovely caring person. I was in tears witnessing the exchange between them.

    I think it depends on the individual/s involved on both sides. Also as KathyA said the meeting has to be at a time where the visitor feels ready.

    You probably all know this but there are 5 general stages of grief and these vary dramatically in length of time for each stage and some virtually skip some stages. Some never complete the stages and for some the stages are in random order. But generally the stages do run in succession and are in some way at least recognisable to the griever. This not only pertains to a death it can be attributed to any deep sense of loss. It’s important where the person is along this path too.

    1. Denial – refusing to believe the loss has occurred or the circumstances are what they are.

    2. Anger – Anger at self, at the other person, at other people, at the situation – generally just anger as a ‘coping’ mechanism. (This stage can also include blame)

    3. Bargaining – Reaching out and trying to strike a bargain to return the situation to what it had been. Desperate offers of compromise to avoid acceptance of the loss

    4. Depression – Realising the inevitable must be accepted but unable to cope with the reality of it. This is often described as the worst stage and so many ask “how long will this last?” “Does it ever end?”

    5. Acceptance. Coming out of it with deep understanding and acceptance and moving into a new phase of life accepting the reality that things can never be the same but finding the strength to lead a productive life. Many people find moving into a field to help others assists at this time.

  145. NancyB
    06/01/2013 at 3:01 pm

    janeto :
    What I would like to know is WHY didn’t anyone (besides one behavior expert on Dr. Drew) of the jury even mention that WOHO just MIGHT be a danger to society if she ever gets out? I’ve thought that all along but its never mentioned by a juror on why they think she
    should get the d.p. To me that is my MAIN reason to give her the d.p. I’ve not once heard even Juan mention that. Just venting!

    I too find this completely astounding! As for Juan I don’t believe that he is allowed by law to speculate as to what a danger she may represent if ever free. There’s no evidence that she had previously murdered, even though some of here are convinced she did in doggyboy and others believe she may have even previously murdered. But it’s truly puzzling to me that no jurors have made a public statement that they even discussed this.

  146. NancyB
    06/01/2013 at 3:11 pm

    Wow – I saw a Nancy Grace show the other night that covered JA info that I had never known of or heard before! So, it seems from making out etc in a car for a few hours that this guy wanted to marry her??? It astounds me.

    From the Transcript:
    JAMIE SIMKO, FRIEND OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: When I first laid on — eyes on her, I said wow, this girl is smoking hot. And then once I got to know her a little bit, I`m like, not only is she smoking hot, she`s one of the nicest people I`ve ever met in my entire life.

    I can speak from experience of being in her presence. When I was around her and — I mean, I was smitten. I mean, I liked her. Personally, I was like, OK, she`s really hot. And she`s nice. And we just really connected conversationally.

    GRACE: What can you tell me about another Mormon gentleman that meets Arias and falls hopelessly for her and immediately decides he`s going to leave his wife and children to be with Jodi Arias? What happened?

    SIMKO: He had spent some personal time with her. It was in a car, for a few hours.

    GRACE: All right. Right there I have a problem. But so after two hours with her, what does this guy say?

    SIMKO: Well, he takes — you know, our other friend in the business, Chris Hughes, aside and right out, you know, he goes into a private room with him. And he says, Chris, when I get home from this trip, I`m going to divorce my wife. I want to be with Jodi. And one of the things he referenced was that, you know, she laughs at my jokes. She gets me. This is what I`m missing.

    And what our friend Chris had said to him when he took him to the side was like, listen, dude, this is a marriage. You know? Tell me if you get with Jodi a few years down the road that you`re not going to be feeling the same exact way as you feel with your wife right now.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1305/30/ng.01.html

    • MMD
      06/01/2013 at 3:24 pm

      I had heard that story but thought it was kind of urban legend because it couldn’t possibly be true. Thank goodness the guy at least had the sense to talk to Chris Hughes because if not, he might not be alive today.

      I truly don’t know or understand what she has/had but it must be very convincing. She really is a chameleon and hopefully never gets to interact sexually or otherwise with another human being. :evil:

      • Beans
        06/01/2013 at 4:37 pm

        guys have a vulgar term for girls like her (I’ll censor it here), she’s ‘doable’. It has nothing to do with beauty but rather a sexual vibe some women give off. I have a pretty well developed BS detector, that combined with those crazy eyes, would compel me to walk away.

    • Kristi
      06/01/2013 at 4:37 pm

      NancyB, I agree completely with your 2 previous posts to this. I am surprised that Juan did not point out in closing that #1 Jodi feels entitled to kill anyone who abuses her. #2 Jodi perceives anyone who doesn’t want to date her, or calls her a name, as being abusive. Therefore, anyone in society who might intentionally or unintentionally offend her, or has the audacity to break up with her, could easily become her next victim. I think he should have pointed out more forcefully at the end that even if you believe Travis said some mean things, they were only words.

      Regarding the Nancy Grace interview: there is little or no evidence that these men who were all so smitten with WOBO are psychologically balanced or rational. I look at guys like DB, Gus Searcy, etc and see old, not so attractive, not so successful men who are so far down on the scale themselves that Jodi seemed amazing to them, but Travis seemed to me like the only reasonably normal guy she ever hooked up with. I can’t imagine the feeblemindedness of any person, man or woman who is seriously going to meet someone and in 2 hours decide to leave their family for them. I haven’t heard any positive assessments of Jodi from any credible, trustworthy sources.

    • 06/01/2013 at 11:22 pm

      Unbelievable. How man guys has this girl had in her mitigating age of 27? Bobby, this guy, several or so when she had the roomie, TA, Darryl, Matt, two women in jail? , etc

  147. Al
    06/01/2013 at 3:16 pm
    • NancyB
      06/01/2013 at 3:27 pm

      Thanks Al – I’m not sure what you are asking because this PDF opens up fine for me. It’s from 5/30/13 – “IT IS ORDERED
      that all bench conferences and hearings conducted in chambers shall
      be unsealed except: (1) all ex parte hearings shall remain sealed; and (2) all hearings conducted in chambers with jurors or witnesses present shall remain sealed; and (3) the oral
      argument conducted on May 21, 2013 shall remain sealed”

      • 06/01/2013 at 3:35 pm

        does Al mean how we view the unsealed items?

      • Al
        06/01/2013 at 3:37 pm

        Sorry – there are a lot of things I recall the judge sealed – so I was just wondering how one goes about actually seeing the items that were sealed. – Like – I want to see what Gus Searcy sealed – or if that never occurred. And all that other stuff.

      • NancyB
        06/01/2013 at 3:55 pm

        Ohhh, now I see what you mean! Sleezy Gus’ stuff should be included in all the newly unsealed bench conferences. We will most likely have to wait for the media to get this stuff. You have to appear in person to request copies of these documents and there is a fee.

    • NancyB
      06/01/2013 at 3:57 pm

      Unfortunately, it sounds like La La’s in chamber hearing will remain sealed.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        06/01/2013 at 4:51 pm

        shucks.

      • ringadingding
        06/01/2013 at 11:52 pm

        That’s a bummer. By the way, just how big is the judge’s chambers if it can fit the jury and witnesses, plus defendant and attorneys…not to mention Nurmi?

  148. Robert exits Rotterdam
    06/01/2013 at 3:17 pm

    a thought on forgiveness? from an article today:

    …she says delightedly of Mandela. “… Someone asked him why he was not more angry. And his answer was, ‘If I thought it would be useful, I would be.’ ”

  149. NancyB
    06/01/2013 at 3:21 pm

    Family of Law :
    < Was it in front of the jury that she would leave work and drive to Mesa for a “booty call” then be at work the following day? Or is that only known by us?

    Jury doesn’t know

  150. NancyB
    06/01/2013 at 3:48 pm

    Senior Moment

    Disgusts me that Vander Sloot remains in his cushy single ‘cell’ pad. He is currently held in the “tourist” section of M.C.C. (Miguel Castro Castro) without the possibility of parole. Initially, we had been told by media sources in Peru that after sentencing that he would be transferred to the “infamous” Lurigancho Prison (Peru’s worst of the worst) where few prisoners survive their sentences and where it is freezing cold for 1/2 the year. So why he remains in the tourist section where inmates from foreign countries are held until after they are sentenced is a mystery. He must have gotten enough $$$ from somewhere to pay them off, IMO.

    I also agree with you about no toleration for her continuing to be the social butterfly she’s been at Estrella.

    MMD – I heard on CNN the other day that nothing precludes the US from taking action to attempt to extradite him from Peru to answer in a US court for the defrauding Beth out of tens of thousands of dollars. CNN did not mention any current news that any action on that front is in the works.

  151. NancyB
    06/01/2013 at 4:00 pm

    Ringading said in the previous thread:
    “The fact that anyone could think TA abused her emotionally and mentally tells me something was missing in the processing of evidence and testimony…and that something is emotional intelligence, “the subset of social intelligence that involves the ability to monitor one’s own and others’ feelings and emotions, to discriminate among them and to use this information to guide one’s thinking and actions.”

    Soooo True!

  152. 06/01/2013 at 4:15 pm

    Ringading…. I’ve been mulling over the Brewer involvement thing. Humour me on an idea for a moment will you?

    What if her visit to Brewer was always about the cover story. An excuse to be in that area? Did being in that area put her in close proximity to something else she didn’t want known? Didn’t MM live somewhere around there at the time?

    • NancyB
      06/01/2013 at 4:21 pm

      Syn, she spent the previous night at MM’s.

      • 06/01/2013 at 4:26 pm

        ok good thanks.. does she say this on the stand? Don’t worry if you don’t remember I’ll put it in my notes for when I get the time to review her testimony.

      • NancyB
        06/01/2013 at 8:50 pm

        Yes, 1st she tells Det Flores and then on the stand.So, she spent the night of June 2nd with him and was at Darryl’s at 7AM to get gas cans and give him the “stolen” DVD player & remote. Remember, Juan asking her if Matt had also been at Darryl’s that morning but she insisted he wasn’t.

        I reviewed the transcripts from the Interrogation to see if that was when JA spoke about the separate bedrooms from the beginning and it is not! I’m sure about this but it’s bugging me of when it was. Maybe on the stand during her direct?

    • Kristi
      06/01/2013 at 5:07 pm

      Syn, the part about getting 2 hours away, then turning back, then going again, adds 6 hours to the time that she ‘couldn’t have been in Mesa killing Travis’ so that could have been one of the made up things she threw out early on without thinking through that it wouldn’t really make sense.

      • 06/01/2013 at 5:30 pm

        yes and its 6 hours for us to wonder.. wth was she really doing during those 6 hours? I just think it’s crap she spent 6 hours just getting that remote back to him .. she lies about everything else I’m darn sure this is just another of her bullshite stories to cover up something else she was playing at.

        Just need that missing piece to figure out what the real story might be. So something that has to be left in the “wtf was she really doing?” file things in that file REALLY annoy me! Enquiring minds gots ta know at least beyond a reasonable doubt status :P

      • ringadingding
        06/01/2013 at 6:04 pm

        Of course! We’ve all assumed she arrived in Mesa when she said she did. Rule number one: everything that comes out of her mouth is a lie.

    • ringadingding
      06/01/2013 at 6:02 pm

      Yessss! By golly, you are on to something! It was a cover for the time gap!

  153. NancyB
    06/01/2013 at 4:16 pm

    Family of Law :
    The FB page “The State vs Jodi Arias” is asking for Travis supporters to write to Bill Montgomery’s office and request that they not consider offering a plea deal (succumbing to fiscal pressure), but to proceed with a trial and continue to seek the Death Penalty.
    The link to Maricopa County Attorney:
    http://www.maricopacountyattorney.org/

    Thanks for posting this, FOL. I was surprised to see that AZCentral came out with an opinion piece advocating for making a deal strictly to save taxpayers $$$. That is not the criteria that should be used in making this decision in my opinion. That would infuriate me if I was a family member.

    • ringadingding
      06/01/2013 at 6:07 pm

      Nancy….you’re right. That’s no way to apply the law. Is AZCentral a legit news agency or is it more tabloid?

      • NancyB
        06/01/2013 at 8:53 pm

        It’s legit.

      • ringadingding
        06/01/2013 at 11:53 pm

        Hmmmm.

    • Douglme
      06/01/2013 at 10:46 pm

      I think the Alexander Family should make that decision, even though I agree she should get the DP, I feel like I would be interfering somehow in the families decision.

  154. Al
    06/01/2013 at 4:33 pm

    Made me laugh !

    • Kathy A.
      06/01/2013 at 6:00 pm

      This is cool. :)

  155. Anna
    06/01/2013 at 4:33 pm

    if I could be any bird in the world I’d be a pelican:

  156. NancyB
    06/01/2013 at 4:34 pm

    Kathy A. :
    I first shared my story awhile back when JAs attorneys were putting forth the PTSD defense; I was a bit pissed off because I do have PTSD resulting from my husband’s murder and JA most certainly does not. Just like I don’t believe she was abused, is a battered woman, any of that. It’s insulting to those people who have actually had those experiences.

    Hi Kathy A! I remember that. I remain infuriated about her bogus claims of PTSD & BWS too. You actually witnessed your husband being shot – no wonder that you suffer from PTSD. It was never more evident what a bold faced lie that claim of hers was until Steven was delivering his VIS and anyone paying attention could SEE a lot of evidence of his PTSD jumping out to all watching, while he spoke to the jury. He never even mentioned the diagnosis. Her entire defense just a pack of lies. Her last tweet may be a sneak preview of how she may shape shift the 2nd penalty phase.

    Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 29 May

    “I will be sorry for the rest of my life – probably longer.” – Me, my allocution, May 21, 2013

    Is she going to play up the remorse instead of using the PTSD? I doubt that she will abandon the fog & BWS.

    • Beans
      06/01/2013 at 4:59 pm

      OK, what could be longer than the rest of her life?

      • ringadingding
        06/01/2013 at 6:09 pm

        Well, if she’s a vampire, then quite a lot longer. This might be one of the rare times she was being honest.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        06/01/2013 at 7:05 pm

        Lawrence of Arabia?

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/01/2013 at 5:11 pm

      “me, my allocution”– sounds as if she’s memorializing for posterity. Dating and marking “her words” Soon we’ll have an exegesis on “the laws of attraction” from her and other things to “edify” and “de-edify.” To think, we have to put up with another “allocution” from her.OMG.

      • Beans
        06/01/2013 at 5:19 pm

        Forgive me, I don’t know what I was thinking. I forgot she was recording this for the de-edifying of future generations. Stabitha’s ‘Mein Kampf’

      • Beans
        06/01/2013 at 5:30 pm

        OT- liked your movie list the other day but I would argue for the inclusion of Bridge on the River Kwai; Lawrence of Arabia; The Queen African; Apocalypse Now and The Third Man.Have some others we can debate at another time.

    • Kathy A.
      06/01/2013 at 6:10 pm

      I believe you’re right – she’s never going to give up on the fog or BWS. And of course she’s recording everything for posterity because the world is waiting with baited breath for everything she says. She probably will try to play the remorse card but she just can’t pull it off. It’s so fake and hollow. Hell, she would probably have a better chance if she stood up and said “I did it! I remember everything, and I’m glad I did it! He tried to cut me out of his life, well, I showed him! I cut him out of his life. No one rejects me!” Because I believe those are her true thoughts.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/01/2013 at 6:49 pm

      I wonder whether “history” will recall this trial as the one of “sex” and “jealousy” rather than the one that had phoney PTSD and BWS claims. Defenses can get immediate “headlines”–the “twinkie” defense for the killer of Harvey Milk or the “legerdemain” defense of the OJ trial.
      Once convicted, her claims may fade unless she keeps popping up with the damn sweatshirts of course. But the real outrage here – the phoney claims and the phoney charge
      against Travis- I hope has legs. That people scoff at her continued claims; that she is relegated to the trashbin with “phoney” rather than “sexy” written on her

  157. Kathy A.
    06/01/2013 at 4:41 pm

    Syntara :
    ya they must.. they must also ignore the red flags they were given though esp brewer.. over tht length of time there must have been heaps… the mother issue for one that we know of… remember her mother went there and there was some very strange confllict that went on… he must choose to forget all those kinds of things.

    Plus the fact that she just quit paying her share of the bills so she could go after someone better – Travis – and caused both of them to lose their house. She just doesn’t seem to be that fabulous, but I guess to him she is.

    • 06/01/2013 at 5:59 pm

      not to mention slicing someone’s throat open but to him that’s not her fault either. Perfect partner for her…. he doesn’t believe anything is her fault.

      “It’s PPL. it’s LDS.. it’s Travis… I dunno what it is …. I dunno what happened to her.. but it’s not her fault!” according to him. Enabler!!!

      • ringadingding
        06/01/2013 at 6:11 pm

        Oh yeah…he does blame it on PPL and LDS, doesn’t he? Okay, I can see it now.

  158. Beans
    06/01/2013 at 5:47 pm

    Time for dins – night all. Stay calm & keep smilin’

  159. ringadingding
    06/01/2013 at 5:53 pm

    Syntara :
    Ringading.. I think this whole thing is just one big murk pond and I feel there is a piece that if we had it could be the “aha” moment.

    That’s a really good way to put it. And maybe the aha comes when one of the key assumptions is proven to be a lie. I’m almost at the point that if I hadn’t seen pictures of them together, I’d have to wonder if they ever met in person. I’ve wondered just how much of their relationship was in her head, and if most of the texts and emails from him that allude to sex were ones she manufactured by breaking into his email account. There are things that have to be explained, tho, like the so-called “sex” tape which is so uninspired it’s bizarre. If Travis were here, I have no doubt he would describe their relationship, such as it was, in very different terms.

    • ringadingding
      06/01/2013 at 5:58 pm

      To add to that, I try to remind myself how she defines her reality today, as opposed to what we know to be true: she feels loved, has lots of support, she’s a talent artist, the prosecutor is shady, the Alexander siblings are delusional about their brother, the jury betrayed her, etc. If she’s that far off in her re-telling of today’s facts, I have to assume that anything she says regarding the past is equally deceptive.

    • 06/01/2013 at 6:03 pm

      oh do9n’t you just wish we could get his side of it! We would all just be amazed as to just how much she is lying about everything.. and that’s already thinking we don’t believe a thing she says! Plus there would be many high fives and “I KNEW it(s)” along the way I bet!!

      • ringadingding
        06/01/2013 at 6:14 pm

        Ha! I’ll high five you right now because unless she comes clean on something (which…how would we trust it?), we will likely never have confirmation. Unless…those journals of his surface one day. That might be the only real indication as to what was really going on.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/01/2013 at 6:05 pm

      And was that 85,000 texts hyperbole or were there really 85,000 texts? Travis seemed like as nice a guy as exists in the whole BF-GF thing. I mean, these people on the jury have no idea what abuse really is. I also wonder if someday an accounting could be done to show how many actual “days” they spent together. We can’t know the amount of sex because all we have is wobo and she’s useless. But my guess is that the text – and not the sext – was the gist of their relationship. I think they talked more than did. More and more, it seems like an extended “Date Gone Bad” written by Eugene O’Neill,

      • 06/01/2013 at 6:17 pm

        Play misty for me is the most appropriate to me. Always has been and the Mickee D stepping through it brought it home to me why I’ve always thought the two mirrored each other.

        Put that movie into the text, cell phone, email, social media era and you have the Arias/Travis movie already produced.

      • ringadingding
        06/01/2013 at 6:21 pm

        I took it to be the true number, but when I divided it by 16 (which is the number of months between when she said they started dating and when he was murdered), it’s well over 5,000 per month (or 177 per day). That’s a stretch. Hopefully, someone has the answer to this.

        I’m totally coming to the conclusion theirs was more of an online/text relationship than one based in reality, particularly after the break-up.

    • Douglme
      06/01/2013 at 11:00 pm

      Is it an absolute that the sex tape was recorded on May 8 or when was it recorded, I was never really sure when that happened because I cannot see Travis talking to her like that after he told her to get out of his life.

  160. Robert exits Rotterdam
    06/01/2013 at 5:56 pm

    A not-unrelated story, from todays paper. Jury foreman!! You listening!

    “Kelly was not happy about Lou Dobbs and Erik Erickson’s claim that families run best when mothers stay home. Kelly, a working mom herself, invited the men onto her show for a heated debate…

    “The heated back and forth was sparked by a recent Pew Study that discovered that women were the breadwinners in four out of 10 American households. During an all-male panel on Dobbs’ Fox Business Channel talk show, both men claimed that this trend was unnatural and against the laws of science.

    Erikson states, “When you look at biology, look at the natural world, the roles of a male and a female in society and in other animals, the male typically is the dominant role.”
    To that, the 42-year-old working mom curtly replied, “Who died and made you scientist-in-chief?”

    ===my kinda gal

  161. Kathy A.
    06/01/2013 at 5:58 pm

    Beans :
    part of is forgiving yourself for being a victim.

    Ooh…can’t say I agree with this statement, although your perpetrator and mine were very different. I’m not attacking, it’s just that forgiving myself for being the victim really kind of hit a chord. My husband and I were just going for a walk as we had done many times before when this jerkoff crackhead jumped out of the bushes at us and robbed us at gunpoint. We didn’t put up a fight, my husband didn’t try to be a hero other than trying to subtly move the guy away from me and put himself more in between us. We complied, and he didn’t need to shoot anyone. Not only did my sweet, wonderful husband lose his life but I’ve had to spend years in therapy trying to deal with PTSD; I’m a different person. My kidneys failed a year after his death partially due to all of the stress and because I just wasn’t interested in taking care of myself. But I did nothing to make myself or my husband a victim and don’t feel I need to forgive myself. Or the perpetrator. Not yet, maybe never, but that’s my personal experience. I am not diminishing your experience or the way you have chosen to handle it, and I know you didn’t mean anything offensive by your statement, some parts of this are still somewhat open wounds for me.

    • 06/01/2013 at 6:10 pm

      KathyA… me toooooooo! oh me tooooo!!!! and I think it’s all very personal how we deal with it.. you seem to be similar to me although our actual triggers are very different our ways of trying to come to terms with it and processing it are similar in many ways – that is my impression anyhow and I think it is very important to have the whole spectrum because each of us is different but for me forgiveness is not a big factor acceptance was/is.

      I see no need to forgive him at all but I do know in myself for peace I have to accept it in my way, in a way that feels right to me and that what I am happy and comfortable with.

      In your situation I do not know how to do it, but I have managed to get it to a still somewhat fragile state but a state I can function in.

      If that makes sense.

      • Kathy A.
        06/01/2013 at 6:22 pm

        I think acceptance is a good word. I beat myself up trying to answer the “why” of it all for a long time, and sometimes there is no “why” answer that makes any sense. Things just happen sometimes and you can’t change them. That’s really where I’m at. There’s not a darn thing I can do to change what happened. As everyone here who has gone through some sort of trauma or bad experience, you are never the same as before; you have to find a new normal. For some it’s forgiveness, for others it’s acceptance, and there are those who stay angry. Not healthy in the long term, but I firmly believe it’s that anger that the Alexander family still carries with them that helps them get through all of this. You see it the most clearly in Stephen.

        And I again want to say I’m not attacking anyone on here for their beliefs or what they say. I know there is one poster who seems to do nothing but that and fortunately he hasn’t been on here for a few days.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/01/2013 at 6:19 pm

      Thank you for saying what you feel as well as reassuring all that your intentions are pure.I’m beginning to think that the reassurance is like a Miranda rule of sorts in here. No one wants to hurt anyone!!! Not intended to barb!!! Important to express oneself as one expresses oneself!

      In that vein, I think Beans *might* have meant to write “forgive oneself for thinking that one was a victim” — could be either, but my guess is that this choice would be more widespread.

      As I said earlier I might be the forgetting type, but I only forgive when there is a mutual exchange. The “arches” of remorse and forgiveness, meet and produce such. All other unpleasant, traumatic encounters are accommodated, woven into time, part of life’s experiences (as Anna is unfortunately discovering anew) and accepted. In my case, time provided the buffer needed. Others, need different buffers. And WHEN you get the buffer is important.

      • Beans
        06/01/2013 at 7:44 pm

        thank you Robert, I didn’t express myself very well, and certainly meant no offense to Kathy A. It’s a difficult conversation and I struggle to be articulate about it.

  162. Kathy A.
    06/01/2013 at 6:05 pm

    Beans :
    Forgive me, I don’t know what I was thinking. I forgot she was recording this for the de-edifying of future generations. Stabitha’s ‘Mein Kampf’

    Ha! Perfect! :)

  163. 06/01/2013 at 6:21 pm

    Robert.. it is my understanding there really were around 85000 txts I don’t know if that is txts alone or includes emails as in 85000 electronic communications… but yes my understanding is that 85000 is a legitimate approximation from the forensic people involved.

    Maybe someone has further clarification on that. But there was a huge number referenced in the testimony of the guys on the stand who had to go through a lot of it.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/01/2013 at 6:31 pm

      In a 7 month relationship, thats 414 a day. Double the relationship- 200 a day. Amazing if they saw each other at all! Maybe they texted at dinner in a restaurant to each other. I see people doing what seems like that sometimes.

      • 06/01/2013 at 6:33 pm

        I actually wrote a piece about this recently but I didn’t post it in here. Along the lines of what you are saying. I think a lot more of the relationship was in her mind than we are lead to believe.

  164. 06/01/2013 at 6:32 pm

    Kathy A. :
    I think acceptance is a good word. I beat myself up trying to answer the “why” of it all for a long time, and sometimes there is no “why” answer that makes any sense. Things just happen sometimes and you can’t change them. That’s really where I’m at. There’s not a darn thing I can do to change what happened.

    Kathy, you are probably familiar with them but did you see the 5 steps of grief I posted.. originally classified by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross?

    Here’s a link that expands on them better than I did. Just wondering can you relate to any or all of these? Because I can. A few have dimmed now but I know when I was going through it these were very real phases I experienced deeply.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/01/2013 at 6:35 pm

      It is true, they are real. But of course no one wants to read them when they are going through shit. Lenny Bruce did a number of Kubler-Ross that was very funny -sorta so sje’s got all the answers- think it was reproduced by Dustin Hoffman in Lenny the film.

      • 06/01/2013 at 6:42 pm

        I found it very helpful to read them while I was going through it. So definitely don’t agree with that at all. I found it very helpful because it made sense of what to me at the time made no sense at all. It was like a floating log to hang on to while being thrown around by a vicious sea.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        06/01/2013 at 6:57 pm

        SYN-I think you would be in the minority on that one. Maybe a 39-61 split? It doesnt surprise me, its your inate field, you went to it for comfort and you know it works. Therapists know these stages and help people through them, but I don’t know anyone who could be rational about their intense grief or loss when it happened. And, at one time, I distinctly remember saying…well.. yelling, “FUK Elizabeth Kubler-Ross! How does she know I’m denying? Maybe I’m accepting now and denying later. Fuk her!”

    • Kathy A.
      06/01/2013 at 6:41 pm

      I didn’t see your post, but I am familiar with Elisabeth Kubler-Ross’s 5 stages of grief along with much of her other work on death and dying. As you, I could relate to all of them and experienced all of them, some it took me a lot longer to get through than others. I think anger was my stumbling block. Anger at the world for awhile – how dare other people be laughing and having a good time or going about their regular days when I was in such pain? Past that one, thankfully. It sounds like you have come a long way as well.

      • 06/01/2013 at 6:51 pm

        I can totally understand why you would have a long anger stage.. how could you not? I think that’s perfectly reasonable under the circumstances.

        I think my anger was relatively short because mine was directed at him for ‘being like that’ and at myself for not listening to my inner voice which I had ALWAYS followed. These were two separate issues entirely. Very individual processes. First I ‘dealt’ with ‘him’ then with myself.

        Once I came to terms with those I realised i’d had the bargaining already so thankfully that was done but then the depression hit and I honestly thought I was never going to dig myself out of that.

  165. 06/01/2013 at 6:39 pm

    ringadingding :
    I took it to be the true number, but when I divided it by 16 (which is the number of months between when she said they started dating and when he was murdered), it’s well over 5,000 per month (or 177 per day). That’s a stretch. Hopefully, someone has the answer to this.
    I’m totally coming to the conclusion theirs was more of an online/text relationship than one based in reality, particularly after the break-up.

    Holey crap!!!!!! ok we need some clarification here cos if that is even near the true number something wicked this way comes!!! BIGTIME!

    I’ve always thought their sex (the way she portrays it) sounds more fantasy than physical. Anything like this number backs that up! Plus the ky does too… and him saying he hardly ever wanked before her and that now he did it daily thinking of her.. she got into his head deliberately via the fantasy sex – got him addicted.

    • Kathy A.
      06/01/2013 at 7:18 pm

      Has there ever been an estimate on how much face-to-face time they actually had with each other? I know some of the pictures of them together were on trips they took, PPL conventions, things like that.

      • 06/01/2013 at 7:34 pm

        all I know on that is his friends all thought it was far less than Jodi has everyone believing it was. So I reckon it’s minimal.

        As for actual calculation based on what can be substantiated… that would be very interesting! I guess some of these really good timelines that have been created would be a starting point. Would have to be a different colour for Jodi’s assertions and what can actually be proven.

        Plus where Travis was when Jodi says they were together. I think that would be a heck of a job considering how much weeding out of Jodi’s crap there would need to be.

      • ringadingding
        06/01/2013 at 8:31 pm

        I would love to know the answer to that, Kathy.

    • ringadingding
      06/01/2013 at 8:41 pm

      You know, Syn, it also goes a long way toward explaining why his friends were unaware that he and Jodi were still seeing each other after the break up…because they weren’t. At least, not in real life (again, just speculation). Her DT repackaged the fantasy relationship as Travis’ “dirty little secret” when in fact, it was quite possibly nothing at all. We don’t even know if his texts were really from him, do we?

      • ringadingding
        06/01/2013 at 8:43 pm

        I think that they were seen together after the break up, but it was all under PPL business, right? If I recall correctly, a friend or colleague of TA’s was saying that one dinner had been very awkward because they were all talking about the Cancun trip and knew that JA wasn’t going.

    • NancyB
      06/01/2013 at 9:29 pm

      Syn have you read Ray Bradbury’s book “Something Wicked This Way Come?” Excellent book but so was the movie!

      “Good to evil seems evil”
      ― Ray Bradbury, Something Wicked This Way Comes

      Kübler-Ross is one my heroes – working in hospice we use the stages daily. In my own complex grief and trauma I knew all that stuff was true and real but until recently, it wasn’t of much help at all to me. Initially my extreme anger kept me functional but when I moved into depression I lost all perspective completely until finding all of you here at CFJ. That is the sole thing that has saved me. KR’s work is brilliant and was truly ground breaking in the 60’s when no one in our culture considered it appropriate to even discuss death and dying.

      • 06/01/2013 at 9:43 pm

        I’ll look it up Nance.. No I had not heard of it.

        CFJ has helped me beyond words can explain also. It has been so important in moving me forward I am less fragile now than I have been for years. I sure would not be where I am with some of my former confidence were it not for CFJ.

  166. Kathy A.
    06/01/2013 at 7:04 pm

    Syntara :
    I found it very helpful to read them while I was going through it. So definitely don’t agree with that at all. I found it very helpful because it made sense of what to me at the time made no sense at all. It was like a floating log to hang on to while being thrown around by a vicious sea.

    That’s a good way to put it. I’d like to share something that’s off-topic for a moment, but it’s something I’m sure many of you can relate to. The first year after Randy (my husband) died, I thought I was functioning normally but looking back I know I wasn’t…and the first couple of weeks after, I really wasn’t. I found myself consulting psychics trying to talk to him, when all I ended up doing was losing money, and I started seeing signs in everyday things that I just knew were from him trying to communicate with me, because it made me feel better. One incident in particular still stays with me. Randy was from the state of Arkansas, where everything is green and beautiful and grows easily. Here in Southern Arizona, not so much unless what you want to grow is cactus. Nevertheless, he worked at it and had a pretty decent garden going. The only thing that was giving him trouble was tomatoes. He just couldn’t get them to grow.

    He had three plants in the yard and he fertilized the heck out of them, babied them, watered them…still nothing. I would hear him alternating between sweet-talking then and cussing them out. About a week after his death, I was trying to continue tending to his garden and I noticed two beautiful ripe, red tomatoes side by side on one of the plants. Of course, I interpreted it as his doing, a way to stay in touch with me, even though the logical part of my brain knew that it was probably all of his attention that finally paid off. None of the other tomatoes ever came to be, just those two, and it gave me comfort at a time when very little else did. I have learned that people are extremely resilient in handling trauma and loss, whether it’s a death (and that includes a beloved pet), divorce, or other curveball that life throws at us and the ways in which they try to cope and push forward.

    • 06/01/2013 at 7:29 pm

      Kathy.. so many things help us and often comfort seems to come from ‘nowhere’. I was given opportunities that seemed uncannily entwined with my predicament. Sometimes I still wonder about the convergence. Strength comes from many sources that’s all I know.

  167. Kathy A.
    06/01/2013 at 7:09 pm

    And Donchais, I apologize for derailing us off-topic from Travis. :) Very insightful discussions, though.

    • 06/01/2013 at 7:12 pm

      omg I was just thinking the same thing!! Did you pull that from my head??

      But it is kind of about Travis.. it stems from what he went through so I hope Donchais understands and it is also very much what his poor family are faced with too. :(

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/01/2013 at 7:29 pm

      Well, I think it is not OT. Think its very on topic.Because part of the time now should be spent in “sympathy” with the Alexander family. How does one show support? Sharing life’s traumas and reactions to them. There are reactions to the law, to the defendant, to the court. These exchanges have given me a better understanding of the young man who spoke in front of the jury of his older brother or watched his sister speak of loss.

    • Beans
      06/01/2013 at 7:54 pm

      Kathy, I posted to your response to me back up the page a bit under Robert’s post, but let me say again, i meant no offense, I merely fumbled what I was trying to articulate.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        06/01/2013 at 8:00 pm

        Beans! Miranda reading. You are not offending anyone by saying what you want to say.

      • Kathy A.
        06/01/2013 at 10:24 pm

        Hey, Beans,
        You did not offend me, as I said, it just struck a chord with me. I apologize if I seemed a little more aggressive there than normal and possibly misunderstood what you were trying to say. I appreciate everyone’s opinions and experiences on here.

  168. 06/01/2013 at 7:10 pm

    Robert exits Rotterdam :
    SYN-I think you would be in the minority on that one. Maybe a 39-61 split? It doesnt surprise me, its your inate field, you went to it for comfort and you know it works. Therapists know these stages and help people through them, but I don’t know anyone who could be rational about their intense grief or loss when it happened. And, at one time, I distinctly remember saying…well.. yelling, “FUK Elizabeth Kubler-Ross! How does she know I’m denying? Maybe I’m accepting now and denying later. Fuk her!”

    As I said earlier.. it’s a very personal thing to deal with… but I assure you.. my way in the depths of the vortex was to look for and cling to the rational and those steps made perfect sense to me I could see I had done some, wasn’t quite sure which one I was on but sure knew it wasn’t acceptance!! I thought well there will be an end to this and tried to cling to that hope even when it seemed to be blind faith.

    I just wanted to know how long it would take to get to acceptance because I felt like I couldn’t cope and just wanted to know when it would all end. Of course there was no rational to cling to on that one because it’s not that clearly mapped out in our psyches unfortunately.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/01/2013 at 7:56 pm

      btw- I make a distinction when discussing Kubler-Ross between types of losses. I know that the loss of a longtime romantic partner can be devastating, and that it can follow the path of loss over the death of a loved one. I have experienced each and found them different, though similar. Emotion wise, it was sorta a DP and a LWOP sorta difference.

      • 06/01/2013 at 8:06 pm

        Ive never experienced the loss of a long term romantic partner in a ‘devastating’ way so I can’t say I could make the call. Ive walkd away and moved on from those but I do know they can be devastating to some.

        Finding out you have met a psychopath is a very different circumstance.

  169. Robert exits Rotterdam
    06/01/2013 at 7:51 pm

    I just sent this letter to the Maricopa Attorney, I signed it “respectfully yours,”

    First of all, my congratulations to your office for the ease with which one can navigate your website.

    Secondly, my gratitude to you for accommodating the many requests from the media for information as well as allowing the all important camera in court. I believe that cameras in court will have enormous beneficial effects for the citizenry who see the good, the bad and the ugly of their society at work.

    Finally, I hope you are not swayed by calls for making a plea in the Arias case. Making a call like that for money’s sake is to deny the integrity of the system AZ has put in place since 2002. It is still new. Perhaps the 2 times to a jury for punishment seems off kilter to many of us. Perhaps the DP itself should be shifted to a LWOP. Whatever. What is important now, is what were the rules when the game started? Maybe baseball should have 4 strikes for a KO; but it doesn’t.Stick by your law! Two juries. The State paid over 1.7 million dollars to defend this convicted killer. What is the State spending to defend the rights of the citizens who passed the 2002 law? Too expensive? Too costly? Changethe law before the next big trial. This one had rules in place.

    • NancyB
      06/01/2013 at 9:37 pm

      Bravo, Robert!

    • ringadingding
      06/01/2013 at 9:52 pm

      Yes, bravo! (I trust you didn’t sign it Robert Exits Rotterdam?)

  170. Robert exits Rotterdam
    06/01/2013 at 8:43 pm

    meanwhile, nearby ,

    “A Colorado mother who shot her 9-year-old son five times did it to get back at her husband, according to police documents.

    “Kirlan told police he woke up to the sound of gunshots around 3 a.m. Wednesday. He raced upstairs to find his estranged wife leaving their son’s room.

    “He asked Lesyshen why she would do something like this, and she reportedly answered, “To hurt you.”

  171. 06/01/2013 at 9:03 pm

    ringadingding :
    I think that they were seen together after the break up, but it was all under PPL business, right? If I recall correctly, a friend or colleague of TA’s was saying that one dinner had been very awkward because they were all talking about the Cancun trip and knew that JA wasn’t going.

    yeah I’m not really sure. I also think a lot of their contact was PPL based. I think she hooked him not only through the fantasy sex stuff but also to ‘help’ her get established in PPL. Travis wanted to help people that comes across clearly and I am quite sure she would have played on that. I can imagine her saying “Travis can you help me. I just can’t seem to crack this and you are so good at it” blah freakin blah.. which could well be why they had some of the ‘meetings’ they had.

    As far as I know his friends were aware they were in contact for PPL reasons and this would definitely go to that. Also remember the borrowing the car? She weasels her way into getting him to lend her his car, finally gets her way and goes to sleep instead of coming to get it and yet he went out of his way to accommodate her?

    That’s reassuring herself she can still make him jump when she wants to. Then she falls asleep all happy that she can. That night was an LDS meeting and he had to organise a ride to get there because she wanted the car. The exchange didn’t really show they were in any kind of romantic relationship just her keeping him doing her favours. I think there is a lot of that in there.

    • ringadingding
      06/01/2013 at 9:51 pm

      All the while, she’s making sure people inside PPL (such as Gus S.) are exposed to her version of him. This is just so ooey gooey. There was no way he could have extracted himself from her.

      • 06/01/2013 at 10:05 pm

        thankfully she is in jail and soon to be prison. Hopefully she never gets out because this is NOT something she will outgrow. :twisted:

    • Kathy A.
      06/02/2013 at 11:30 am

      Hey, Syntara, would it be possible to contact you off of this blog? Got something I would really appreciate your input on, but it’s completely separate from this subject. Maybe you have an email address that I could get from Donchais? Thanks.

  172. Robert exits Rotterdam
    06/01/2013 at 9:08 pm

    comment left today re: Jean Stapleton (“Edith”)

    “great actress whose most memorable role, changed America in more ways than we can count. A life well lived and a job well done. Rest in peace.”
    June 1, 2013 at 3:20 p.m.

    • NancyB
      06/02/2013 at 1:00 pm

      I loved her! Thanks for posting these comments.

    • Kathy A.
      06/02/2013 at 4:17 pm

      She owned that role of Edith Bunker, and seemed like such a lovely, classy woman. She will be missed.

  173. Robert exits Rotterdam
    06/01/2013 at 9:27 pm

    Not unrelated. A comment from an Aussie:

    Angelo Loukakis Sydney

    In real life, and possessing little but their guts and endurance and a sense of right, ‘ordinary’ women like Jean Stapleton’s character made possible the new thinking that said that domestic abuse and sexist oppression were completely wrong. In enduring the psychological and sometimes physical violence of their husbands, and then, when pushed beyond endurance, setting a final line in the sand beyond which the bullies like Archie Bunker dared not go, they helped create a further set of values for how men and women, husbands and wives, children and parents, might better relate. The battle is far from over, but an actress like Jean Stapleton and the role she played provided a powerful, modelling role for the next generation. She was a fine actress and through this wonderful characterization actually made a difference.
    June 1, 2013 at 5:12 p.m.

  174. Douglme
    06/01/2013 at 10:03 pm

    Douglme :
    Oops, forgot to add this…One of the most telling statements from her (among many others) was when she did the interview right after she received the guilty verdict and was asked what she would do differently if she could do it over again, and she said she would have called the police after. Never did she say “I wouldn’t have killed Travis in the first placel.” She feels completely justified and doesn’t care.
    Exactly, good point!

  175. NancyB
    06/01/2013 at 11:22 pm
    • Beans
      06/02/2013 at 3:07 am

      especially the one about Searcy.

    • MMD
      06/02/2013 at 2:52 pm

      Is he ever. I went right back to his first tweet :-)

      • NancyB
        06/02/2013 at 3:33 pm

        I knew you would get every bit of the parody! I don’t know how we missed finding him while it was all happening. Heart you!!!!

    • Kathy A.
      06/02/2013 at 4:15 pm

      This site is great! Love the “Juanisms.”

  176. NancyB
    06/01/2013 at 11:28 pm

    Family of Law :
    It’s my belief that the felony charge has zero to do with why the jury was not able to reach a unanimous vote. The felony charge by the State was simply to ensure a premeditated Murder 1- and it did. I agree that those (8) who wanted the DP would have in
    no way been satisfied that JA had the potential of being out in 20 years, 52 is still quite young, and I believe she is more than capable of killing again.
    The day of closing Juan explained their “choices”, then Perky got her shot, and SHE muddied the water with a blatant lie re parole.
    Arizona has some very unusual laws, in a lot of states that have the DP- if the jury cannot vote DP unanimously, the judge then sentences LWP/ LWOP (but a judge cannot give the DP).
    My opinion is that the felony charge was not involved in the penalty phase mistrial. I think there were 3 key problems 1) Foreman Bill had bought the LaLa crap (and then admitted publicly, that he feels it’s wrong for mere laymen to invoke the DP!. 2) The (4) gave a tremendous amount of weight to a few of the mitigating factors 3) Some jurors did not understand the juror instructions, the simple math of mitigating vs aggravating.
    The newly empaneled jury will begin the trial knowing that she is guilty of 1st degree, premeditated/ felony murder. It will be a very abridged version of the trial, and I’m very curious how the facts will be presented on both sides. This will be a first for me, I’ve never seen or read about a penalty phase retrial.
    I will see what I can learn from my brother tomorrow… I am too pooped to think straight, off for some Zzzzzzzz’s G’night Rear!

    Excellent comments that sizes it all up

  177. 06/02/2013 at 1:14 am

    Just want to say I am still a whole thread behind but you guys are hilarious! It’s like a comedy show with some of the funnies ie; “rear, its only natural” and how Syn confused sweet boy the horse with Fol’s son, etc etc… However, the big winner that had me laughing so hard i couldn’t see from the tears…and also had to recruit my son to join on as he loves animals as much as i do…one word :

    Neuticles.

    Nope, it couldn’t stop there. Neuticles ultra plus. We just had to google them. Yep, as you can imagine, my son who is 13, laughed his heart out. Quite am amazing replacement i must say. I’m happy Seamus is on the mend. Hope the neuticles are ok (I do mean this in all seriousness). Everyone here has the Same exact sense of humor as i do, so it’s been enjoyable reading your posts. During this hard time with the trial delay, it’s a breath of fresh air that we can step away for a moment and laugh. Good for the soul… Thank you again. And thank you Doncias for the most fun sandbox ever!!!! :)

    • Jill
      06/02/2013 at 2:00 am

      Hi Bailey, if u and your son want to have another good laugh….

      don’t forget to visit the Neuticles store and buy your merchandise. These earrings are made from actual neuticles and will only cost you $109!
      Or, for your son’s next bday, he might want to put this on his wish list…
      Premium giftpak is a treasure chest of Neuticleware! It includes: Super luxurious Neuticles Terry Cloth Bathrobe, our Giant Neuticles Beach Towell, authentic Neuticles Tshirt, Neuticles BBQ apron, our famous Neuticles Key ring and Autographed copy of Neuticles inventor’s book “Going, Going NUTS!” $199.99

      *But, all joking aside, there is good that comes out of this…
      Neuticles are encouraging pet owners to neuter that simply would not before. AS A RESULT, … pet overpopulation is being reduced and those Neutiled pets are living longer, happier and healthier lives.

      • 06/02/2013 at 2:42 am

        Hahahahahaha!!- You’re too funny!

        (Btw- I used the proper your vs you’re for the person who was frustrated with the improper use of the words, lol). I do have to say i agree with you! Who was it who said that? I can’t remember…

      • 06/02/2013 at 2:52 am

        didnt see the comment but ya get what you get with me cos its too darn hard to bother with apostrophes most of the time on the ipad so pfffft plus without arrows to go back I dont even bother correcting most of the time.

      • Beans
        06/02/2013 at 2:58 am

        ‘going, going nuts’ – beautiful. thanks for the early morning laughs.

      • Jill
        06/02/2013 at 4:29 pm

        Btw, there really is an online store selling this merchandise. I didn’t make it up.

  178. 06/02/2013 at 2:30 am

    Jill- Thank you for the Lifetime info. I sent in my complaint regarding the air date. I also voiced my disgust about the fact they named the movie “The Jodi Arias story” rather than the “Travis Alexander story” being it is about Travis, the innocent man being slaughtered by the psycho. I pray lots of people filed a complaint but i won’t hold my breath…as someone said, it’s only about money and ratings for them. Let’s hope the ratings go down when the movie is on.

    • Jill
      06/02/2013 at 4:31 pm

      You’re welcome. Glad u took the time to send it. Yes, I really hope ratings r poor for them.

  179. Douglme
    06/02/2013 at 3:16 am

    Can anyone tell me if it is an absolute that the sex tape was recorded on May 8 or when was it recorded, do we really know? I was never really sure when that happened because I cannot see Travis talking to her like that after he told her to get out of his life.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/02/2013 at 4:10 am

      I think the call was the 8th of May and that was established in court.I don’t think he told her to really, really get lost till end of May–right before “burglary” so this was earlier.

  180. Robert exits Rotterdam
    06/02/2013 at 4:07 am

    ====Five Stages of Grief:Denial: Anger, Bargaining,Depression, Acceptance

    “There are five stages of grief. Try not to go through them all at once.”
    — Detective John Munch, Law & Order: Special Victims Unit

    ====The wobo connection:

    (Robert Smigel’s TV Funhouse notes that you can remember the stages with the handy mnemonic “Drink Alcohol Before Doing Anal”.)

  181. Anna
    06/02/2013 at 8:07 am

    hey all…I’ve actually been reading the blog today. You guys have posted some amazing insights and stuff for me to chew upon. Tears, laughter, and just plain human happiness at the many beautiful thoughts you’ve shared here. Obviously, I don’t really know off topic well, but it seems to me you guys are on topic. Kathy A, the story about the tomatoes had mecryin’ but mostly happy tears. Niceness. Thank you. Jill, I’ll be looking for that island! And yes, we’ll put the town in the middle with a nice pub and a gorgeous play garden with, of course, an in-town sandbox for the kiddies to occupy themselves in whilst we chat a bit over a nice cup of tea (or beer, or whatever)….well, one can dream, right & sure!!! I miss the Juanster!!! [sorry, don't know where that came from] JUSTICE FOR TRAVIS ALEXANDER AND HIS FAMILY! luv yous guys :)

    • Kathy A.
      06/02/2013 at 11:26 am

      Hey, Anna. Didn’t mean to make you cry, but if they were happy tears, that’s something else. :) You have such a good sense of humor, and come across as very upbeat even though you’re dealing with your own issues right now.

      • Anna
        06/02/2013 at 2:55 pm

        You are too sweet and an inspiration to me, as many here are. Thank you. I love humor. And a good story about two tomatoes growing together when no one expected them to makes me smile. :)

  182. ringadingding
    06/02/2013 at 9:59 am

    Robert exits Rotterdam :
    Its all the DP. It makes everyone uneasy and they walk on eggshells with almost everything. Eliminate the DP and replace with LWOP, and one has faster closure, less expense, and probably a better trial. The emphasis on ‘killing’ or ‘not killing’ takes precedence over ‘justice’ imo. My watching the case so intensely over these months has reaffirmed my feeling that in the big picture – the society as a whole – the benefits of DP do not outweigh the negatives, Does a conviction that takes 23 years to play out make any sense? Is’ eye for eye’ the sensible response?

    Robert, I meant to reply to this, but got lost in the posts that came after. It’s one of the best responses to the many failings of this trial that I’ve seen (and by failings, I mean the endless delays, the victim bashing, deceptions by the DT, the leaning over backward for the defendant to the point that what’s left to present barely resembles the truth, and of course the non-verdict verdict). The process is compromised because, as you point out, the focus is on killing or not killing, rather than justice.

  183. Moon
    06/02/2013 at 10:30 am

    Hi ev1..

    hoping there is still room in the sandbox for this ol’ woman… I have missed so much and don’t think I will ever catch back up. Being sick is such a drag, but at least now I have anti’s.

    best wishes to you all

    • NancyB
      06/02/2013 at 3:37 pm

      Hi Moon!!!

      Kristi did a stellar job of bringing you current. You’ve been missed and I hope you are feeling better each day.

      • Moon
        06/02/2013 at 6:48 pm

        Hiiii (((Nancy))) sorry I missed you earlier. Big TY!!

  184. Kristi
    06/02/2013 at 11:12 am

    Hi Moon! Let me sum up what you missed:
    Jodi Arias is a skanky, lying, dangerous, murderous whore.
    Jury foreman was an idiot.
    FOL has a horse and a son and one of them is going to law school.
    Can’t believe the Alexander family has to be put through more of this.

    Hope you feel better.

    • Kathy A.
      06/02/2013 at 11:28 am

      Perfect summation! Love the comment about FOL’s horse and son. :) And Moon, hope you’re feeling better. Welcome back.

      • Kristi
        06/02/2013 at 11:35 am

        Good Morning, Kathy! Thank you.

      • Moon
        06/02/2013 at 12:08 pm

        Hi Kathy! TY

    • Moon
      06/02/2013 at 12:02 pm

      LOL Kristi! Great summary!!

      Thank you!

    • 06/02/2013 at 12:10 pm

      and if your hubby, dog or horse ever gets castrated there’s always neuticals!

  185. 06/02/2013 at 11:35 am

    Kathy you around?

  186. Kathy A.
    06/02/2013 at 11:41 am

    I know I’m rehashing this subject, but the whole abuse angle just irritates me. Abuse at the hands of her parents and at Travis’s. I can’t believe the jury foreman bought La La’s theories, or that La La herself bought Jodi’s crap, but I think La La sees abuse everywhere. I know that abuse victims don’t always tell anyone what’s going on, or report it to the police or get medical attention, but SOMEONE knows. Neighbors hear things, family members and friends see and suspect things – personality changes, bruises, excessive crying – schoolteachers and counselors have their suspicions also. If her mother was beating her and her father was verbally abusing her and making inappropriate comments, there would have been a school friend or even Bobby Juarez that she would have confided in. None of Travis’s ex-girlfriends said he was abusive, and as high-profile as this case is, people would have been coming out of the woodwork if they thought they could be famous or make money from telling their stories, especially an ex-girlfriend with an ax to grind. A neighbor of Travis’s who overheard physical fighting or arguing. Someone. It’s just ridiculous that there are people who believe her. The jury foreman needs to visit an abused women’s shelter and hear what real stories are like.

    • 06/02/2013 at 11:57 am

      I agree with you but I know MMD feels differently about the foreman.

      She thinks Foreman Bill sympathised with LaLa because he has a family member or someone close who was abused,

      Like you I tend to feel it is more out of ignorance and ingrained conditioning. Plus he and LaLa are sam age group grew up in same time therefore similar culture roots. That too could well have something to do with it for me. Culture is such a huge determinant in forming ideas preconceived ideas and perspectives. Especially if the individual is prone to get ‘set in their ways.’

      If both tend to draw more from their cultural roots this could well be a determining factor.

      • Kathy A.
        06/02/2013 at 4:09 pm

        He very well could have some abuse in his family, but they are supposed to leave personal issues at the door, or disclose them so the attorneys can decide whether to keep him on the jury. I posted below to Nancy B. that it’s too bad he can’t be sanctioned. I think he never intended to send JA to death, even though he said otherwise.

  187. Moon
    06/02/2013 at 11:56 am

    well I am not even through all of this page yet! soo much info!

    Ty WIS for adding that you think DB may be worried about custody.
    He also says in that interview with Lin Clooney that he noticed a change in her in spring of ’06… what??? did he really mean spring of ’07?? if he meant spring of ’06 that was long before she even met TA.

    She also met up with gus (i think they both said pasadena)… I’ve always thought gus was much more involved with knowing much more about her plans and covering them up.

    I still find it so maddening that people (mostly the media) choose to believe the ho on all the sex.

    re the 85000 electronic texts… those weren’t all between TA and JA were they? I thought they meant they gathered that many from both JA’s and TA’s devices, which would then include convo’s with others, not just the 2 of them? I do think that several ‘supposed’ emails and texts to JA from TA were fabricated by the ho and then she sent them to herself. Too easy for them not to be from TA, since she had his passwords.

    • 06/02/2013 at 12:04 pm

      that could be it… and its still LOT! Still have to find the time to do it and if they were together should cut down on it so if 85000 is even close it shows they each had a lot of free time and I cant imagine Jodes txt-ting too much when she is with Travis she’d be giving him her full attention – master seductress that she is.

      by the way did you enjoy the visitor you had Moon?

      • Moon
        06/02/2013 at 12:25 pm

        HI Syn,

        No, which really bummed me out. I woke up so sick .. throat so sore hardly could swallow and horrible sinus stuff… so I had to send her home cuz I sure don’t want her to get sick! Finally phoned my doc thur afternoon and was able to get meds Fri around noon. TY for asking, hoping to have her back when this crud is all gone.

      • 06/02/2013 at 12:27 pm

        omg! and here I was thinking your absence was indication you were having such a great time! so sorry!!

  188. Moon
    06/02/2013 at 12:34 pm

    Just one more comment then I have got to go lay down again…

    re beans and all the talk on forgiving, whether the person or yourself… to me, it’s more about stopping the person from having CONTROL and POWER over you. Once you take back the control and power for the betterment of yourself, then the healing begins! jmo

    ————————————Happy Day, EV1————————

    • 06/02/2013 at 12:44 pm

      ok that is a great way to put it, Moon.

      KathyA was hanging hoping to grab your attention for contact but you must be busy so hope to catch you soon. For now though I gotta get zzzzzz’s :( ***waves***

      • Kathy A.
        06/02/2013 at 3:47 pm

        Hey, Syn. I’m back but due to the time difference, you are probably sleeping. Had to jump off of here for awhile – darn that thing called life. Anyway, when you jump back on, please let me know if there’s a way I can get in touch with you. Even if it’s a private message through Facebook. Thanks!

  189. Kristi
    06/02/2013 at 12:43 pm

    RE 85000 text messages: no way! I have AT&T mobile family plan and have had it for years. 4 lines, me, hubby, 2 kids who are now both in college. All the kids do is text. AT&T ‘s bill summary when they give the count of activity, lumps text messages and data access together. Smartphones especially access the data multiple times each day without the user necessarily doing anything, and each of those access points counts as a message. It can then be broken down further as to text or data.

    My son is the biggest user at about 2000 texts (in and out) a month max, but that goes down considerably when he is school. That is 24000 a year. I can’t imagine an adult with a job, life bills etc having enough time to send 85k texts in 16 months to one person.

    Someone else said this recently as well, but I firmly believe that the “relationship” between Jodi and Travis was largely exaggerated by Jodi and mostly a figment of her imagination. Media exaggeration of 85k texts just adds to Jodi’s lies. I think that what is probably more accurate, and likely the source of this, is that law enforcement had to weed through 85000 different data transmissions, including texts, cell data, emails, instant messages, Facebook and myspace messages in order to filter the ones between Jodi and Travis. I bet more than half of those were automatic data downloads or spam. It would be nice if someone involved in the investigation could release the actual number of communications to Jodi initiated by Travis. I bet he initiated contact with her rarely!

    • Kathy A.
      06/02/2013 at 3:52 pm

      I think you’re right about Jodi initiating contact mostly. Also, my son is on my plan with me and he sends about 2500 – 3000 texts a month and I send half of that. Probably even less than half, so it would be a lot of texting to rack up 85,000.

      JA always seemed to be tracking Travis down, showing up uninvited and unexpected and I think her exes said that also. She always was driving all over the place for various reasons to see them but you don’t see much evidence of them making arrangements to go to her, least of all Travis. He was just a young guy having a good time with a woman, hopefully with no strings attached, and even though everyone else saw it that way, she did not. Which is crazy, because she set herself up to be his sexual good time girl.

      • Kristi
        06/02/2013 at 4:23 pm

        Agreed. I bet that most of their sexual encounters occurred when Jodi showed up at his home uninvited, went in his room when he was sleeping, took off her clothes and jumped on him. And weren’t all those disgusting photos of her private parts found on her camera and computers, not his? She said he took them, but couldn’t she have taken them herself with a tripod and camera timer?

  190. NancyB
    06/02/2013 at 12:53 pm

    Jeffrey Evan Gold
    about an hour ago
    Wow, posting the text of 1st note that #JodiArias jurors gave judge. It really surprised me if you read my last long post on foreman. The foreman actually asked what form to use to post a hung jury, the verdict form or bottom of instructions. The judge ignored the actual Q and went on to give dynamite charge to address the larger issue that jury shouldn’t give up after 2 hours only and should go back and debate one more. Next day he just used the verdict form. Judge was surprised, guess she forgot the actual first question too! But note also says to me this foreman was even more intent on steering into hung jury than fostering debate than I first thought. After two hours he was throwing up hands and not do anything to change any minds. Was this because he was in the minority view for Life and debate will usually benefit the majority? I think its all within his right. But very interesting how juries work in real life. No “12 Angry Men” (and women here).
    Photo: Wow, posting the text of 1st note that #JodiArias jurors gave judge. It really surprised me if you read my last long post on foreman. The foreman actually asked what form to use to post a hung jury, the verdict form or bottom of instructions. The judge ignored the actual Q and went on to give dynamite charge to address the larger issue that jury shouldn’t give up after 2 hours only and should go back and debate one more. Next day he just used the verdict form. Judge was surprised, guess she forgot the actual first question too! But note also says to me this foreman was even more intent on steering into hung jury than fostering debate than I first thought. After two hours he was throwing up hands and not do anything to change any minds. Was this because he was in the minority view for Life and debate will usually benefit the majority? I think its all within his right. But very interesting how juries work in real life. No “12 Angry Men” (and women here).

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=533723260007995&set=a.402246039822385.87302.401317983248524&type=1&theater

    Too bad foreman Z would never admit that he could never impose any death penalty but lied to get on case.

    • Kathy A.
      06/02/2013 at 4:06 pm

      It’s too bad he can’t be sanctioned. Looks like he already had his mind made up when they started deliberations that he was going to save her from the death penalty and not engage in an honest deliberation. He ought to have to sit and explain what he did face to face to the Alexander siblings. Wonder if he was a stealth juror who knew from the beginning he was going to hang the jury so he could save her, and then make some money from interviews and a book? What a waste and miscarriage of justice.

  191. Anna
    06/02/2013 at 3:00 pm

    “Musicness” from me yet again….I have no idea who Robert Johnson is or why the guitar made the devil take his soul (sounds awfully weird to me), but the rest of the song is the reason I’m bothering you with this song, mmkay? I’m thirsty & hungry for Justice!!!

    • Beans
      06/02/2013 at 3:34 pm

      robert johnson is considered the godfather of all blues-based guitar players. everyone includng, eric clapton, jimi hendrix and stevie ray vaughan cite him as the major influence of their careers. as the legend goes he wasn’t very good so he disappeared for a while from the honky-tonks, when he reappeared he was so good that people speculated he must have sold his soul to the devil in exchange for the newfound ability. the classic song “crossroads” recounts the story.

      • Kathy A.
        06/02/2013 at 4:01 pm

        Very good! Johnson supposedly met the devil at the crossroads and the devil tuned his guitar for him and handed it back to him in exchange for his soul. I wonder if he believed the myth itself because of songs like “Crossroad Blues” and “Hell Hound on my Tail,” or he wrote those songs to keep the myth going?

      • Beans
        06/02/2013 at 4:58 pm

        and he was very young when he died. the story is he was murdered by a jealous husband, allegedly, he had a ‘way’ with the ladies, was the short arc of his career part of the deal?

    • Kathy A.
      06/02/2013 at 4:02 pm

      Anna, thanks for the video and props to you for discovering Delta blues great Robert Johnson.

    • NancyB
      06/02/2013 at 4:09 pm

      Robert Johnson touch’s my soul – he is a blues musician like no other and his music ‘cooks’, as a verb!!! Anna, thanks so much for this! He has been one of my fav’s going all the way back to my late teens!!!! You’re the BEST!

      • Beans
        06/02/2013 at 4:45 pm

        now i know i’m in the right place – fellow blues fans. “you’d better c’mon into my kitchen, well i know it’s goin’ to be rainin’ outdoors”

  192. Kathy A.
    06/02/2013 at 5:31 pm

    Beans :
    and he was very young when he died. the story is he was murdered by a jealous husband, allegedly, he had a ‘way’ with the ladies, was the short arc of his career part of the deal?

    Interesting thought. I guess Johnson could be considered the original inductee into the “27 Club” – that group of musicians who died when they were 27: Robert Johnson, Brian Jones, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain and Amy Winehouse. There are probably others, but those are the ones who come to mind.

    • 06/02/2013 at 6:39 pm

      makes Jodi’s mitigation of 27 sound all the more ridiculous when you think about that. They only lived for 27 years yet look what can be accomplished in that time instead of murder.

      In fact it makes it more an aggravating factor certainly aggravates me further when put in that perspective.

      • Kathy A.
        06/02/2013 at 6:50 pm

        Great point, I hadn’t even thought of that when talking about the 27 Club. Hmmm…JA’s version of “art” compared to Jim Morrison’s. No contest. Jodi’s tracings hands down (kidding, kidding).

    • 06/02/2013 at 6:52 pm

      stay!!!! see my post below! :P

  193. Anna
    06/02/2013 at 6:24 pm

    Oh good gracious, what have I done. Now I’m going to have to cook up a whole bunch of food to go with our music while learning all about Robert Johnson and other stuff. You people are so demanding! grrrr….
    For your dining pleasure this evening, may I please present:
    Herb & Garlic Crusted Beef Tenderloin with Red and Yellow Pepper Relish
    Gratin of Yukon Gold Potatoes, Bacon and Arugula
    Green Beans with Chives
    Balsamic Roasted Onions
    some type of just baked, extra crusty bread that leaves crumbs around forever (and dogs love)! :)
    Real Butter
    [a waiter to clean up the crumbs from the tables, you slobs!]
    and drinks of your choice….all on the house!
    tonight, your favorite band of all time will be performing in your own, colorfully lit-up backyard for free, and all you friends are invited! (btw, screw the neighbors if they can’t take a joke…sorry,,,,oops) Hey, if I’m gonna try & live in fantasy land, why can’t I try and dream big? No reason? Right & Sure 00-Juans! Que bien! And bye bye jodie….you are never invited…and I’m printing up my own t-shirts as party souvenirs, they say “Justice For Travis”!!! :)

    • Kathy A.
      06/02/2013 at 6:52 pm

      I’m so hungry now, but if you’re going to pay homage to Robert Johnson, you’ve got to throw some fried okra and fatback in there. :D By the way, in one of your posts to me you threw in the line “wherever you are”; I’m in Tucson, Arizona, about 100 miles south of Phoenix.

      • Anna
        06/02/2013 at 7:24 pm

        oh my gosh, I can actually cook fried okra (but fatback I don’t know) using yummy corn meal as the fried batter part thing. Hey, do you get chicken fried steak with cream gravy & mashed potatoes over there? My Uncle lived in Prescott for a time. Some day I’ll remind myself to look up Tucson on the map but right now I’m pert darn good if my head is still attached, ifykwim!

      • Anna
        06/03/2013 at 8:25 am

        Kathy A, what is fatback? Totes off topic but simply must know. :)

    • NancyB
      06/02/2013 at 8:21 pm

      Count me in!!!!!

  194. 06/02/2013 at 6:26 pm

    KathyA I wrote my impressions of Foreman Bill him after seeing him in the first interview here. It wast based on what I saw and heard in his tone and words and though only a few sentences that he gave in his reasoning, for me it spoke volumes.. and the more tht c omes out about him the more I atill stand by my initiial interpretins I’ve seen nothing, so far to change them. If there was something further to reveal surely he would have bey now he sure wasn’t camera shy about coming out and definiely wanted to be the first one to speak up. That in itself was very telling to me.

    • 06/02/2013 at 6:51 pm

      by the way if you see this shoot me a reply and stick around… I’ve got a few hours before I fly out so I’ll be in the ‘vicinity’.

      • Kathy A.
        06/02/2013 at 6:53 pm

        I’m here.

  195. 06/02/2013 at 6:58 pm

    Kathy click on my picture (npt name) grab my email addy .. then tell me you got it and I’ll take it down again.. thanks

    • 06/02/2013 at 6:59 pm

      npt = not :roll:

    • Kathy A.
      06/02/2013 at 7:00 pm

      Got it, thanks!

      • 06/02/2013 at 7:02 pm

        :D ok ty

    • Chrissie A
      06/02/2013 at 7:36 pm

      While glimpsing through the posts as I sometimes do, I feel I have to comment on something I see happening frequently. I find it really interesting that you, (Syntara or Shari or ???) seem to need to make contact with so many peeps from Donchais blog – off of her blog via e-mail or to try to direct them to your blog – Waiting to be lambasted :P

      • Family of Law
        06/03/2013 at 12:03 am

        Hi Chrissie, I must be confusing you with someone else I think? I thought you were one of those that has blogged at W.S, and had had contact with Syn away from this blog? Either way, I don’t think it’s a big deal if folks who meet here want to further their conversations elsewhere.

      • Chrissie A
        06/03/2013 at 2:42 am

        Hi FOL, No you are correct, I commented briefly on Wicked way back when and also interacted off blog, it’s one of the reasons that I don’t post as much on here anymore. If you look at others that have done the same, you may see the same pattern. I’m merely pointing out an observation.

  196. Chrissie A
    06/02/2013 at 7:11 pm

    Excellent article from Dr Tara J Palmatier – WTF Fatigue:Jodi Arias via A Voice for Men:

    http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/domestic-violence-industry/wtf-fatigue-jodi-arias/

    • Kathy A.
      06/02/2013 at 7:33 pm

      Wow – that’s quite an article, and includes many of the observations of many of the members of this site. I have a new phrase: “Enthusiastic consent.” Thank you for posting this.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/02/2013 at 8:09 pm

      Yes! great read thanks. Had just finished wolfing down some Gratin of Yukon Gold Potatoes, Bacon and Arugula from Anna’s backyard and when licking my fingers after some very good crusty bread, I read this during. Among a slew of great lines :.”Is this a court of law or her Facebook page? Her Internet dating profile? WTF does any of this have to do with anything?”

    • Douglme
      06/02/2013 at 10:56 pm

      Great article! I particularly like this piece: If women don’t want to be “used for sex” then they shouldn’t use sex to try to get men (or women) to be in a relationship with them. These are usually the same women who serve the freaky deaky sex up on a platter straight from the get-go. That’s like being a drug dealer who complains the only time someone calls is when they want dope. If that’s what you’re peddling, don’t blame the customers.

      And please spare me the happy horseshit about having low self-esteem and men “taking advantage.” There are women who do the same thing to men for money and status. If you don’t want to be “used for sex” then don’t use sex. If you decide to roll the dice and have sex without love and commitment, then be grown-up enough to live with the consequences of your choices should you not get the pay-off you want.

  197. 06/02/2013 at 8:20 pm

    Kathy A. :
    Hey, Syntara, would it be possible to contact you off of this blog? Got something I would really appreciate your input on, but it’s completely separate from this subject. Maybe you have an email address that I could get from Donchais? Thanks.

    • 06/02/2013 at 8:22 pm

      kk gotta get going.. play nice everyone! **waves**

      • NancyB
        06/02/2013 at 8:29 pm

        travel safely – and talk to you tomr! :)

    • Chrissie A
      06/02/2013 at 8:24 pm

      Shari – It still doesn’t alter the fact that it is ongoing,- I highly recommend a long Skype call with all.

      • NancyB
        06/02/2013 at 8:30 pm

        Hi Chrissie! Who is Shari?? Thanks for posting the article – it’s a very good one.

  198. Chrissie A
    06/02/2013 at 8:21 pm

    YW – One of the best I’ve read so far and it had just the right amount of WTF’s :-)

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/02/2013 at 8:30 pm

      liked this one also:

      “Abso-freaking-lutely shameless right to the bitter end.”

  199. Kathy A.
    06/02/2013 at 8:36 pm

    Anna :
    oh my gosh, I can actually cook fried okra (but fatback I don’t know) using yummy corn meal as the fried batter part thing. Hey, do you get chicken fried steak with cream gravy & mashed potatoes over there? My Uncle lived in Prescott for a time. Some day I’ll remind myself to look up Tucson on the map but right now I’m pert darn good if my head is still attached, ifykwim!

    I love, love, love chicken fried steak with cream gravy and mashed potatoes! Now I’m really going to have to get something to eat…something not healthy at all.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/02/2013 at 8:38 pm

      you still on?

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        06/02/2013 at 8:42 pm

        if so, I wanted to ask a bit about the ways your son was able or not able to the help through the ordeal. Any age would be a horror, of course; the younger, the more difficult is my guess.

      • Kathy A.
        06/02/2013 at 8:47 pm

        I’m here. My son (an only child) was 22 at the time of the murder, and Randy was his stepdad. He was as horrified and as much in shock as I was to begin with, but invaluable in helping me during the first month in dealing with everything that I either seemed to have difficulty with or was just on autopilot – everything from grocery shopping, to going to the coroner’s office and the funeral home. We have always been close but I think that experience forged an even deeper bond between us. He was able to keep me reasonably rational when I was on the verge of making irrational decisions.

    • Anna
      06/03/2013 at 12:36 am

      okay then, have you ever had chicken fried chicken done the same way?…yum…a lot of things can be fried to perfection, but a lot of things, imho, should never be fried….the State Fair of Texas tries to fry everything…one year they did fried bacon…um, no. but thanks for the try…ack And one year the Great State of Arizona tried to fry a psychopath for brutally & heinously murdering an innocent young man…and didn’t quite get there. Maybe we’ll get that recipe down soon. Yays, I do believe we will. :) JUSTICE FOR TRAVIS!

      • Kathy A.
        06/03/2013 at 1:24 am

        Yes to the chicken fried chicken, and does your State Fair also serve up fried Twinkies, fried Snickers bars, and fried Oreos? The AZ State Fair does. Hopefully this next juror won’t have a foreman on it who is determined to throw a wrench into the process…I really wish there were some sort of sanctions, punishment, etc. that could be put on that foreman. I know there were others who voted for life, but it doesn’t sound like there was any discussion that might have moved their votes the other way.

      • Anna
        06/03/2013 at 8:34 am

        wow…fried oreos even? ew. Prob better than the fried bacon tho…I threw that 5$ vessel of so-called-food right in the nearest trash receptacle. The next jury will be smart cuz they will have been to this website and secretly know the correct verdict….all I want is 23 hours in lockdown for the female murderer so she can think about stuff and junk….and, okay, here I go being a little Dr. Drew on you for I do believe the first time, but maybe, just maybe, she will have a change of heart and get better in that condition? Sorry, compassion & I have issues. Happy Monday (no oxymoron intended) :)

  200. NancyB
    06/02/2013 at 8:43 pm
    • Chrissie A
      06/02/2013 at 9:04 pm

      Excellent, thanks for posting Nancy :-) Isn’t Stabby in a similar situation at the mo as I hear she is on lockdown in a single cell with only one hour a day for shower or phone calls? That is if you know.

      • NancyB
        06/02/2013 at 10:31 pm

        yes – she’s in solitary!

    • Family of Law
      06/02/2013 at 11:32 pm

      Hi Nance! Thanks for posting this, it gives me such joy that she is no longer enjoying her girl sleep over party with all of her minions!

    • Anna
      06/03/2013 at 9:01 am

      from that very scary video, thanks for posting ( wowzers):

      “One can lose himself or herself and actually become as wild as a human can be when driven to madness in this stir crazy cell where nobody cares whether you live or die.”

      “Sleep deprivation is common and adds to the madness.”

      “People will scream out and nobody will pay attention…”

      if that ain’t reason enough not to get yourself into solitary confinement, I do not know what would be…I actually pray for everybody….including those who have completely lost their way. But mostly for people like the Alexander Family who have given me so much inspiration I don’t know what to do with it all….not easy, but you guys are classy. Thank you.

  201. Chrissie A
    06/02/2013 at 8:50 pm

    Another good one from Dr. Kristina Randall on Stabby supporters:

    http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-how-do-you-explain-the-jodi-arias-supporters/

  202. Robert exits Rotterdam
    06/02/2013 at 8:51 pm

    KathyA-Thanks. A friend once had her hubby taken by a stupid ass bus driver when he was crossing the street, but their child was a young teen and she said he had a rougher time–and thats saying a lot of rough in my knowing!

    • Kathy A.
      06/02/2013 at 9:24 pm

      I can imagine, and I’m sorry for your friend’s loss. That’s such a critical time for child to need their father, especially a boy.

  203. Janna
    06/02/2013 at 9:37 pm

    Moon :
    Hi ev1..
    hoping there is still room in the sandbox for this ol’ woman… I have missed so much and don’t think I will ever catch back up. Being sick is such a drag, but at least now I have anti’s.
    best wishes to you all

    Moon you and I are in the same boat. I’ve been missing the sandbox too, but for different reasons. There’s no way for me to catch up either. I had to leave right about the time a few jurors were doing public interviews. It’s actually been therapeutic to step away for a few days.

    In going about daily routines & activities, one of my most recurring thoughts regarding Arias has been subtle reminders about the loss of privileges and freedoms that come with solitary confinement. I can spontaneously hop in my car and drive to Dairy Queen for a peanut buster parfait – or walk into Blockbuster and browse new releases – go to the Farmers’ Market on Saturday morning – call my sister for a 2-hour laughfest – sit on the patio surrounded by hanging baskets, potted plants and fresh air – walk the dog – hug my friends at church.

    Could someone PLEASE let me know if there have there been any “Hollywood” moments or noteworthy BOMBSHELLS in the past 4-5 days???

    • Jill
      06/02/2013 at 11:14 pm

      Hi Janna,
      I love what u said about wobo in solitary confinement and unable to enjoy the freedoms that we take for granted everyday. These small things that we do are truly life’s little blessings.

      I have a question which might seem silly to some…does anyone know if the Alexander family is putting the money all together or are they each just keeping what is sent to them? I have two addresses and one is for Samantha and the other is for Tanisha. Last time, I donated thru PayPal so I didn’t have this problem. I was wondering if I should split up my donation and send it to each address? Also, I don’t have an address for Steven or the other siblings. I’d appreciate it if anyone knows….Ty..
      On a side note….my sweet daughter wrote a lovely letter and made a beautiful picture with a positive saying on it. She is sending it with her own peronal donation that she is taking from her savings account. ( I am very proud of her and I wanted to brag a bit). Also, yesterday, she brought me a flower that she made out of colorful foam pieces and asked me if I could send it to “Travis” family”. (I thought that was so precious and i was so touched, that I wanted to share.)

      • Jill
        06/02/2013 at 11:16 pm

        Oops…should be….”her own ‘personal’ donation”

      • Janna
        06/03/2013 at 12:34 am

        Jill – I mailed our card, letter, and donation to Samantha Alexander’s address. No particular reason for choosing hers over the others. They seem to be a tight-knit family so I’m guessing the donations are being used in a beneficial manner among all the siblings.

        What a precious daughter you have. Children do the most beautiful things, don’t they? Sounds like she’s had some very healthy parenting.

        If you’re interested, here’s a copy of our letter …..

        Dear Alexander Family,

        If we could give you anything, we would give you a candle and tell you to keep it burning no matter what. We would say don’t ever let anyone extinguish it. Don’t let the mean-spirited blow it out. Don’t let your light flicker or go dim when confronted head-on with the hideous face of evil.

        Travis, in his own unique words, wanted to change the world and he has. Our world is large and no one can illuminate it alone, but it’s amazing how a single candle, burning brightly, can light so many others. From every corner of the planet, people have come together in support of Travis, in support of justice, in support of you (his family).

        Your story has touched our hearts. We have prayed often for each of you. We have prayed that you can feel the love and support from people around the world who you will never see or know. We ask God to wrap you in his protective arms, bringing you strength and endurance. We ask Him to bring you justice and healing.

        If we could give you anything, we would give you a candle that burns as brightly as the love you have for Travis and we would help you to understand that his young shining spirit lives on within each of you.

        Peace & Blessings

      • Jill
        06/03/2013 at 1:00 am

        Oh Janna, I thought I was done crying for the night…
        Such a heartfelt letter. Ty for sharing it!
        Peace & Blessings to u too!

    • 06/03/2013 at 2:42 pm

      Janna… I lit a candle over here just to keep your sentiments global! How absolutely gorgeous your words are and how emotionally poignant. Just beautiful.

  204. Janna
    06/02/2013 at 9:46 pm

    P.S. While away from the sandbox, I found time to write a short letter of encouragement to the Alexander family including a contribution to help with their expenses.

    I’m very thankful to the sandbox for providing their address. It did my heart good to put a drop in their bucket.

    • Family of Law
      06/02/2013 at 11:27 pm

      Janna, I’m guessing your kindness will be received as a “cuppeth runneth” over, more than a drop in a bucket- that was a beautiful gesture!

      • Janna
        06/03/2013 at 12:39 am

        You have a good heart FOL. If interested, I pasted a copy of our letter to the Alexander family (directly above).

      • Family of Law
        06/03/2013 at 1:28 am

        Janna, I’m in utter awe of your beautiful words! I have a candle burning on my bedside table right now, and after I read your words, I focused on my candle with news eyes- the Alexanders will weep, and feel the love you sent. You’ve inspired me to do something more personal than my Pay Pal donations, thank you. You my sweet, have a beautiful heart!

    • Chrissie A
      06/03/2013 at 3:33 am

      Such a beautiful letter to the Alexander family Janna, thank you so much for sharing it with us :-)

  205. Family of Law
    06/02/2013 at 11:24 pm

    Helloooooo! Busy weekend kept me away from the sandbox- I have a lot of catching up to do, you’ve all been busy :-)

  206. Jill
    06/02/2013 at 11:34 pm
    • Family of Law
      06/02/2013 at 11:55 pm

      Hi Jill! This is hysterical! Now, that’s a talented artist!! (and might I add, original, and not copied from print ads like WOBO! Thanks for the giggles!

    • Anna
      06/03/2013 at 12:44 am

      I haven’t even gotten half way thru & I’m dying laughing & can’t see my monitor anymore Jill, so thanks! :)
      “She made the cardinal mistake of not realizing that you have to put a camera in the dryer, and not just the wash. Duh.”
      Oh Krap! Why didn’t we all think of that!

      • Jill
        06/03/2013 at 1:03 am

        Hi Anna, I didn’t even see that part u quoted, so now I’m going back to read it again. I was laughing so much at the pictures that I must have missed that.

    • 06/03/2013 at 2:53 pm

      I love that cartoonist! I think the Nurm is my favourite but I don’t know.. it’s a close call!!

  207. 06/03/2013 at 2:10 am

    I have a question….I’m somewhat new around here and have picked up bits and pieces about each of you. I know there are some legal eagles and psychology knowledgeable people amongst other areas. I was wondering if someone could give me a short summary of the people in these areas? It would be helpful for future questions. Also, can someone tell me a little about Donchias (or Donchias yourself)? Are you/is she, a writer? Are some trials watched in person or watched televised then summaries for weach trial written? Is this website exclusively hers/yours? I see you/she is highly respected and loved which so nice to see and feel on boards nowadays. Other boards are filled with mean, nasty, judgemental people. It sickens me that people are like that so I pretty much gave up on JA message boards all together. Then, i found Doncias’s sandbox and loved the wonderful job she does with the trial summaries. They are the reason i found this board. Little did i know, there was also a place to post and discuss the trial! So, i very hesitantly dipped my toes into the warm sand with my pink pail and shovel, scared of the meanies like in the other sand boxes. Boy was i pleasantly surprised at how nice and welcoming you all were and how everyone treated each other other with respect. Even when opinions or outlooks are different. No trolls or pimworms ;) I have not been to any other sand boxes since.

    And lastly, it is a special place where you all trust each other and share your deepest stories. I am so sorry to those who have endured such horrible situations. It’s amazing how strong you guys are and how you continue to push through life with positive outlooks..definitely inspiring. Thank you for sharing those stories with us.

    I’m sorry for such a crazy request and if it’s too bothersome i understand. Thanks again.

    ~Bailey’s Irish Cream

  208. 06/03/2013 at 2:21 am

    Where has bubble been? Miss him and his funny posts. :(

    • Kathy A.
      06/03/2013 at 1:44 pm

      I’ve been wondering about both he and Crystal. She hasn’t been here in awhile, either.

  209. Janna
    06/03/2013 at 2:49 am

    Family of Law :
    Janna, I’m in utter awe of your beautiful words! I have a candle burning on my bedside table right now, and after I read your words, I focused on my candle with news eyes- the Alexanders will weep, and feel the love you sent. You’ve inspired me to do something more personal than my Pay Pal donations, thank you. You my sweet, have a beautiful heart!

    Thank you FOL. If our letter whispers an invitation that leads you to do something more personal for the Alexanders, that would be a double blessing.

  210. Chrissie A
    06/03/2013 at 4:16 am

    Via Justice4Travis

    A message from Chris Hughes, Travis’ friend:

    We are excited to announce the 1st annual Travis Alexander Legacy Day of Service! It will take place July 28th, 2013, and continue every year on July 28th, Travis’ birthday. This is a day when we can honor Travis by doing what he loved to do most…serve others. It was Travis’ goal to help better the world, and he will continue to accomplish this through each of us! You can do something that is important to you, or something that was important to Travis. Some examples:

    – Hand out brown paper bag hygiene kits to the homeless with Travis’ quote: “The difference between a Stumbling Block and Stepping Stone is the Character of the individual walking the path.”
    – serve food at a homeless shelter
    – volunteer at an animal shelter
    – fundraise for an animal shelter
    – plant some trees
    – clean up a park/street
    Become a big brother/big sister
    Read/learn/teach personal development/leadership
    Buy reusable grocery bags (maybe even a set for a friend)
    Be a friend to someone in need of a friend, or a better friend to one you have
    Random acts of kindness

    The list could go on and on! These are just a few examples. You can do it alone, with friends, family, or organize a group! We would really appreciate it, if you send us your experiences via pictures, video, or in written form. We will be posting these pictures and experiences on his official website: travisalexander.org (Still under construction, but it’s there:) You can email pictures, videos and experiences to servicejuly28@gmail.com Also, if anyone can think of a really cool name we can call this day, besides Travis Alexander Legacy Day of Service (a little long), we are open to your ideas! We would love to take credit for this awesome idea, but it wasn’t ours. A woman suggested it to Chris Hughes on Twitter. If you see this, please send us your name- we would love to give you credit.

    • Anna
      06/03/2013 at 9:45 am

      no to just “Travis Rocks Day”? “Travis Lives On”? “Travis is a guy we would all like to know Day”? goodness, that’s a tall order! Thank you for this tho!

  211. Anna
    06/03/2013 at 9:10 am

    To Travis, his family & his friends, and to everyone who cares, mmkay:

    • 06/03/2013 at 10:55 am

      Anna~~thank you for that~ a beautiful song to start my day with thoughts to the Alexander’s. Bless you!!! And if I could sustain myself just on your menu it would be all I needed.

      • Anna
        06/03/2013 at 1:10 pm

        hey Vickee!!! I sure wish I could get up the gumption to go and cook that old meal of mine….but hey, we can all dream about good food and good thoughts and good drinks & good sandboxes. And also, good trial results! I’m still missing the Juaninator….MMD how is he???? :)

      • Kathy A.
        06/03/2013 at 1:26 pm

        I agree! With both – the song and Anna’s menu. Except Anna’s menu would have me rolling around like an Oompa Loompa from Willy Wonka in no time.

      • Anna
        06/03/2013 at 4:40 pm

        well then my question to you Kathy A is this: if you wanted comfort food as like a stress relief kind of food, what would your first choice be? Mine would be beautifully made fried chicken. Close second, professionally oven baked cheese grits with homemade sausage or really good bbq. ??? :) Oopma loompas can be quite nice if you feed em right…giggle, snort. Okay, I’ll leave you guys alone….music therapy is calling me big time…..xoxoxo

  212. tamara
    06/03/2013 at 9:48 am

    I’m enraged at Jenifer Wilmont and Jodi Arias delaying the court as if it was a circus. Juan Martinez has been nothing but on time, professional and no excuses type of attorney. unlike Judge Stephens, allowing the defense team every excuse to get Jodi Arias into court on time, skipping whining. This is a court of law in case JS and JA/DT forgot. Paid for on the backs of Arizona tax payers Why should AZ pay for unethical defense lawyers bleeding state funds and allowing this three ring circus to continue any longer. Arias has had a fair trial and she will but all these delays and BS are rubbing everyone the wrong way. Judge Stephens, reign your court and get Arias and her Defense team in check and ready to go to court

    • Jill
      06/03/2013 at 11:02 am

      Is there a new delay?

      • tamara
        06/03/2013 at 11:39 am

        Yes. JW said she can’t make it to court July 18. So the court date is moving back. If she delays, then jury trial might be off the table. Now county is going forward with the new jury, but he has left the option open either way. Willmont knew 2 weeks ago of the July 18th trial, why is she cancelling now? It may be a tactic, they play too many games the DT and arias.

      • Jill
        06/03/2013 at 11:59 am

        Ty, tamara….
        Judge should just say, “sorry, you have to b there and no ifs, ands or buts.” She’s too accommodating to this monster.

      • tamara
        06/03/2013 at 12:29 pm

        Exactly. No excuse for her to start this trial off like this. Don’t let her feet get in the door. or nip it in the bud, or it’s going to get way out of hand when it doesn’t have to. What’s the deal with this judge not saying no to the DT when it entails normal court proceeding. Nothing short of death should prevent Wilmont, Nurmi, and Arias getting to court.

  213. Jill
    06/03/2013 at 11:05 am

    Hi everybody!
    Don’t forget to look at my post a few up at 11:34pm, it’s so funny. I don’t want it to get buried..

    • Jill
      06/03/2013 at 11:07 am

      P.s. it has to do with the trial

  214. tamara
    06/03/2013 at 11:41 am

    I just think that Judge Stephens could run a tighter ship. JA got a fair trial. I really think she is dragging her feet all the time, a manipulation tactic, wasting millions of dollars, migraines, trashing travis w/no evidence, etc.. Gotta stop.

    • Jill
      06/03/2013 at 12:00 pm

      Amen!

  215. ringadingding
    06/03/2013 at 1:20 pm

    Hey, Syn…fwiw, I have never seen you initiate contact with anyone outside this blog. You’ve only responded to requests from others. I’m sad whenever someone feels the need to take jabs at you, as I’ve followed this blog for a couple of months and have only seen you be respectful to others to the point that if someone gets upset with a line of inquiry, you’re careful not to inflame the situation.

    • 06/03/2013 at 2:38 pm

      Thanks Ringading. I always try to be respectful of Donchais as this is her blog and I would never deliberately try to cause division in her quality forum. Not everyone is always going to see eye to eye but it shouldn’t mean we still can’t get along for her sake, or shouldn’t. We are all reasonable adults with differing pasts, perspectives and experiences and can learn much from each other. When issues are brought in that belong elsewhere it insults our host and makes it uncomfortable for fellow commenters. That’s my view anyhow.

  216. Kathy A.
    06/03/2013 at 1:38 pm

    Just a couple of random Jodi Arias thoughts I have rolling around in my head:

    One of her mitigating factors was that she wanted to teach Spanish to the inmates at the prison because she had received so many requests for that. Really, Jodi? In Arizona – one of the most heavily-Hispanic-populated states in the U.S., yet with all those native speakers in prison, you are the one others are clamoring to learn from? There’s really a great need for that? Hell, I speak Spanish and as a red-headed Irish girl, I’m about as white bread as you can get. Practically everyone in Arizona already speaks some Spanish. Oh, that’s right – you are better at it than anyone else. How could I forget?

    Second, with her personality – uh, personalities – she should have just gone into a pay for play career (prostitution); she has no trouble with indiscriminate sex, it’s a way to continually be whomever the guys want her to be or she wants to be, and she still gets to break the law…the penalties are much less severe than premeditated murder and Travis would still be here, his family still whole. Then she wouldn’t have to continually pretend to be something other than the manipulating WOBO that she is.

    • Family of Law
      06/03/2013 at 2:19 pm

      Hi Kathy- Yes, all of your thoughts are worthy of BIG eye rolls! SHE’s beyond any form of logic. Yeah, sure… She’ll teach her fellow inmates (in a largely Hispanic populous) Spanish (sign language to boot!) maybe she should give her next PowerPoint in Hispanic sign language? I’d love to see that!