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Casey Anthony – Lies And More Lies


August 2005 ~ June 2008

UPDATED, 5:45! 

1st release was not a finished product.  Sorry!

How to describe yesterday?  Lee Anthony testimony was often tedious.  Not that he wasn’t cooperating; he just cooperated at the minimum – not giving anything up unless prodded.  Very unlike he previous appearances.  I’m sure he would rather have been anywhere else in the world than on that stand.

Baez had his butt spanked by Judge Perry on hearsay and impeachment issues and he really blew it by asking to withhold jail visit videos until they could review them in detail.  Never mind they have jerked around for several years, working day and night with limited resources…blah, blah, blah!

The most entertaining moment was when Baez asked Yuri Melich if he asked Casey if she had committed suicide!  Doh! 

If ya need to see it for yourself, go to 12:00 into the tape provided by WFTV.

At the end of the day, we learned the Sate is only halfway through their case and we haven’t even gotten to the tedium of chain-of-custody, nor the intense forensics.  Well, we can chalk a lot of that up to sidebar interruptions, mainly to tutor Mr. Baez on points of law!

Casey walked in and plopped herself into a chair.  The defense table is all aflutter with activity and Casey is peeved not a single person noticed her arrival!

Holy cow!  1st witness is Jeff Hopkins!  26, met Casey in middle school.  Says they were not very good friends.  He worked at Universal in 2002.  He doesn’t recall ever seeing Casey there.  He has no children, never knew Zanny or introduce her to Zanny.  he is not wealthy, with a trust fund!


July 2, 2008 he saw Casey at an alehouse.  Casey was sending out mass text message about going to

Did she tell you that Zanny had taken her daughter?  No.

Did you know she had a daughter?  Yes.


Are you Jeffery Michael Hopkins?  No sir.

Did you have puppy love eyes for each other?   No.

Just a mutual attraction?  Yes.

You told LE you don’t have a child?  Correct.

You are not rich from a trust fund?  No.

Zachary’s mother died?  No.

You were not moving in with Casey and Caylee?  No.

You told LE these were all just stories?  Yes.

Do you know what happened to Caylee in 2008?  No.

Do you know how Caylee passed away?  No.


Do you even know a Zanny?  No.

Next witness will be Leonard Turtora.  Asst. Mgr. of Loss Prevention at Universal – theft, crime.

July 16, 2008 he met Yuri Melich.  Melich was questioning about Casey Anthony’s employment at Universal.

There was no current employee by that name.  He did find she was employed by a third-party vendor.  Casey worked for Colorvision/Kodak during 2006.

He checked Jeff Hopkins who worked there late 2001 to 2002.

Juliette Lewis never worked there.

Zanny never worked there.

Email addresses Casey gave Melich were not Universal addresses.

He met Casey after a phone call where he could not confirm the answers to.  She was brought to Universal and met him.    Casey told him she was an employee, but didn’t have her ID.  She did not know her employee number.  She said she worked for marketing and entertainment.  The checked the computer database, she was not in it.

Casey said Thomas Manley was her supervisor.  Manley didn’t exist.

Casey led them to a building where she said she worked.  eventually, she put her hands in her back pockets and said, “I don’t work here.”

LE and Casey entered a conference room.

Casey left Universal with Detectives.


Mason asks, you knew Casey was not an employee and you told Melich that?  Yes.

So this meeting at Universal was a sham?  No sir.

You pretended Casey was an employee there?  No.

So you all knew she wasn’t an employee, but you all walked to the events building?  There is no event building.

She admitted she didn’t work there?  Yes.

You all knew that?  Yes.

Was she advised of her Miranda rights?  I don’t know.

Why the hell would he know?

How long was she in the small room with the 3 detectives?  30-40 minutes.

Is Thomas Manley a real or imaginary person?  Imaginary.


Was she handcuffed before she walked into the room with the 3 detectives?  No.

As the left, Casey asked detectives if they had looked in other states for missing children!

Next, Yuri Melich is back. 


Linda asks about the Universal fantasy tour.  He checked out the names Casey had given as other employees and he hoped to get contact information on them as well as Zenaida, the suspect in the case.  He was also hoping to locate her lost cell phone.

He describes calling Casey on her cell while with Turtora who was verifying that none of these people were current employees.

Yuri spoke with John Allen.  Allen, Appie Wells and Casey arrive.  Yuri goes through Casey entering the building and leading them to her office, which did not exist!

Melich identifies several photos of the Universal lot, Building and the conference room where they ultimately questioned her about her made-up story.

She was not under arrest.  Was not told she couldn’t leave.  Was informed that the conversation was being recorded.

The transcript and tape of the conversation are introduced and entered.

Judge Perry says because the tape is an hour or so, they should break for now.

The tape is played for the jury.

Nifter Media, taped interview (provided by my good friend, thank you ritanita!)

Sadly, but rightly, this has to be blowing the socks off the jury!  Hopefully, they are getting a clear picture of the lengths Casey goes to, to throw the investigation.

Even Casey knows she’s toast listening to this tape!  She never flinched at the words ‘decomposing body’; only displays anger!

Look at her furrowed forehead, drawn mouth and jutting jaw line!

This tape is pretty damn prophetic considering what we now know!

Casey admits on tape she has stolen and used other’s credit cards.  Wonder what door that may have just opened!

Did OCSO talk to Ms. Macklin at Sawgrass?  Yes.

Did they have surveillance video?  No.

You know Ms. Anthony’s car was towed from Amscot?  Yes.

Did they have surveillance video?  No.

They looked for Zenaida Gonzalez in the database, but Casey couldn’t identify anyone.

Casey told them Zanny drove a silver Ford Focus.

OSCO received over 6,000 tips on sightings of Caylee.  Sightings of Zanny.

Zanny was never located by LE.

Yuri identifies a piece of evidence – Casey’s cell phone collected 7-16-08.  The phone was given to forensics for examination.

Entered as evidence.

Melich collected from Cindy, items belonging to Caylee.  4 toothbrushes, hairbrush, comb, thermometer.

Entered as evidence.

After Universal, Casey was brought to OCSO and arrested for child neglect.


Baez asks if when he is asked questions, he turns toward the jury?  Yes.

You were trained to do that?  Yes.

But when asked questions by the defense, you don’t do that?  I’m doing it now.

You referred to Zenaida is the suspect?  Yes.

So Casey was not a suspect?  Correct.

This is after being told of the smell in the car, finding Jeff, Juliette and Casey didn’t work at Universal?  Correct.

You are not looking at the jury now, are you?

Objection!  Sustained.

Did you not suspect Casey Anthony of a crime at this point?  No, I thought she was withholding information.

You have quite a bit of information on the 16th and you go to several locations with Ms. Anthony that provided nothing?  Yes.

Baez says Melich found out neither Casey or her imaginary friends worked at Universal.

You told all this to your boss, Sgt. Allen and had her brought to Universal for this ruse?  What ruse?  I was trying to get information.

Melich say he couldn’t understand why the mother of a missing child would lie.  It didn’t make any sense.

Baez is his usual meandering self, but I believe he is building up to the, ‘they had murder on their minds’ theory.

When Casey admitted that she didn’t work at Universal, didn’t you think she was guilty of more than just lying?  No, we were looking at the inconsistencies in her stories, they were just strange.

OMG!  Baez asked if when in the conference room, if as he went to sit down, Casey said don’t, Zanny the nanny is there, what would you have done?

I am just dumbfounded!

Please don’t attempt this at home, folks!  Yikes!

Objection!  Sustained.

Baez, may we approach?


Baez is just making this crap up as he goes alongThis has nothing to do with facts or evidence and I’m sure the jury is as lost as we are!

Baez is pouting at sidebar.

Judge Perry obviously is annoyed and sends the jury to lunch.

Judge Perry gives 2 cases to both sides to review on ‘good faith basis’ for asking questions.

Back in court and I thought I’d share – so nice that Casey has something to laugh about!

Baez back on cross, he tells the Judge he has other areas he wish to pursue.

This opportunity to speak with Ms. Anthony allowed you to confront her about the lies and imaginary friends.

You’ve had training on interrogating people?  Yes.

And this includes psychological methods?  Methods, not necessarily psychological.

It didn’t work with Ms. Anthony?  Oh, I disagree.  She admitted she lied, but still claimed the child was with the babysitter.

The imaginary sitter?  At the time we had no idea whether or not she existed.

You said Cindy was calling and blowing up your phone?  Yes/

You never heard from George?  No.

Cindy tells you about the pool ladder incident.  Yes.

And you can go back into the room now and question Casey Anthony.  Yes, I could have, but at the time it was just another piece of information.

You never questioned Casey about the pool?  I could have, but I didn’t.

So this important information, you never took the opportunity….

Objection!  Sidebar. Seems out of scope to me.

Question withdrawn.

Baez is trying to compress everything LE has come to know in the one interview at Universal!

Casey gave you her cell phone?  Yes.

She volunteered he computer?  Yes.

You collected Caylee’s items from Cindy Anthony?  Yes.

Did you get information that the hairbrush may not be Caylee’s?

Objection, hearsay!  Sustained.

You sent those items for DNA…

Objecton, out of scope!  Sustained.

Linda does a fine job clearing up the confusion Baez created.

Casey never bought into the pool accident?  No.

Ms. Anthony never changed the story from the nanny?  No.

Yuri released, subject to recall.

Linda shows the first jail visit video…Lee’s initial visit.

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Baez has an objection and wants a sidebar!

Judge Perry says no…untimely

Remember these videos don’t show Baez in a good light and his ego is gonna take a well deserved hit here!

The jury hears the family has been writing to Casey and she hasn’t received anything.  The letters were given to Baez and nobody knows where they went!

Holy cow! The court officers are wheeling in bar carts!

Nah, just seeing if you’re paying attention!

Next video is lengthy so Judge Perry allows a ‘special’ recess – he’s the bomb!

Baez calls for a mistrial because there are negative comments about the defense counsel.

Linda Burdick says Baez’s original motion did not point to any areas of the tapes in question.

Judge Perry again says the deadline was December 30 2010.  Correct.

Baez agrees with Ms. Burdick even though hundreds of motions have been filed.  He feels obligated to raise the issue.  I have to bring it to your attention.

Judge Perry says he doesn’t fault him for bringing it up.

The tapes were sent to the defense in 2008.  The lost one was sent in 2009.

Judge asks if Baez asked to redact any portions?  No.

Tough noogies, you lose Mr. Baez!

Judge asks if Baez asked to redact any portions?  No.

Baez now wants a jury instruction.

Video 2  –  July 25 visit

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

Casey cries some fake tears.  The video is scary because knowing what we know now, Casey drops all kinds of hints as to where Casey will be eventually found!

The next video is 45 minutes of Lee and Casey.  It is the code speak between Casey and Lee.

Jury says to go for it!

5:21 Court is called for the day for the jury!

Mason has filed a motion that he has never seen!!!!  It is signed by Finnell.  His office said it should be heard at 8:30.  Judge Perry asks if this is one they have already heard.  Mason says he doesn’t know if anything changed in it.

Perry says well, you better read it if you want it heard at 8:30am

OMG!  The defense just gave the State a new expert witness.  All the State got was a web download for Dr. Sally Karioth.  Lectures on Death In The Family!  She has never interviewed Casey. She hasn’t written a report even!

She’s being called to defend Casey’s ugly coping!  Smoke and mirrors!

Baez says the State gives him new witnesses and discovery all the time!

Baez says the witness is available to be deposed.

Hey, is this why another 100 hours was requsted for Jeanine Barrett the other day because ‘something new’ had cropped up?

Perry suggests a deposition but cites case-law that may not allow it.  Bereavement normally occurs after a body is found.  Casey’s ugly coping was months before!

Baez says this is something we just thought of and choose to pursue regardless of the insults by the State.

They also just got new discovery today – George’s medical records!

Holy crap!

This is smarmy and underhanded!

Perry says they can have a hearing at 8:30 or 1pm on Saturday.

5:40 pm we’re done!

  1. Kim
    06/02/2011 at 5:09 pm

    I heart Yuri

  2. 06/02/2011 at 5:52 pm

    Wow! You’re really on the ball. I’ve been watching while trying to fix dinner and voila all of a sudden something’s up. Thank goodness for you.

    This day has been devastating to the defense. They have to throw everything they can think of at this. Poor George, he’s really going to be in for it.

  3. donchais
    06/02/2011 at 5:56 pm

    Maria, I apologize. I hit publish before the article was even complete. Hopefully you got to the Update version! And yes, I feel stupid! 🙂

  4. Kim
    06/02/2011 at 6:12 pm

    Awesome! You caught it! Can Baez be any more inept? Being this bad should be a criminal offense!

  5. kas
    06/02/2011 at 6:15 pm

    Donchais: Someone at thehinkymeter posted Jose’s new “Dr.’s” resume. Look on about pg 20-21. You’ll bust a gut laughing.

  6. donchais
    06/02/2011 at 6:19 pm

    Doh! Guess trial fatigue set in.

    I was so pissed at Baez about the new witness and discovery, but shouldn’t be surprised, I guess. He just makes an bigger and bigger ass of himself each day and the defense desperation grows exponentially!

  7. offthecuff
    06/02/2011 at 6:20 pm

    This new expert should be interesting.
    How will Baez fold this Dr. into their theory? Don’t tell me that we’re gonna see a lot more pitiful tears as this Dr supports the abuse allegations.

    Poor Baez! He cried “Foul!” over these jailhouse tapes because he didn’t do his homework. Probably didn’t even remember Lee’s lawyer-slurs were in there. Embarrassing.

    BUT Perry made him feel all better by patting him on the back and telling him to get over it. I haven’t seen anymore lawyer badgering in the other tapes, as Baez feared. I guess he didn’t remember those either. Probably only watched the Nancy Grace versions in 2008-9.

  8. donchais
    06/02/2011 at 6:29 pm

    kas, Is it funny or scary? I haven’t decided!

    offthecuff, Methinks we are witnessing Baez completely unraveling! Medication time!

  9. donchais
    06/02/2011 at 6:32 pm

    TO ALL!

    My modem seems to be in the throes of a brain aneurism. Forgive all the funky stuff going on!

    Thanks for your patience!

  10. tess
    06/02/2011 at 7:05 pm

    Seriously? I had to leave before the end of the testimony. I fear that Casey will have a rock solid case for inept lawyering. I thought the detective was a rock star. He was so incredibly reasonable and knowledgeable and Baez didn’t seem to get that. I truly am worried about a legitimate appeal. What do you think?

  11. kas
    06/02/2011 at 7:18 pm

    Donchais: Funny.

    At one point today, while listening to herself ramble on to Yuri at Universal, I swear to God, she leaned over to Baez and mouthed, “That’s not true.” She was the only one speaking!!

    offthecuff: Did you see Simms’s face during the tapes? She looked like she was seeing them for the first time. It was bizarre.

  12. donchais
    06/02/2011 at 7:22 pm

    Hi tess!

    Yuri Melich is indeed a rock star!

    I’d have a hard time with that appeal for many reasons (but hey, maybe that’s what Baez is going for, lol):

    – Judge Perry has spent the better part of his time schooling Baez which also goes to why he has cut him so much slack!

    – Casey has 5 attorneys. 9 over the years, if you count the ones who have left. Big names and seasoned lawyers.

    – Casey still believes in Baez and hasn’t fired him. Pretty hard to call foul this late in the game and/or after the fact.

    – If memory serves, 1% or less of such appeals work.

    – Appellate review would be hard-pressed to grant the appeal!

    Keep in mind, I am nothing but a ‘lowly blogger’!

  13. donchais
    06/02/2011 at 7:25 pm


    only Casey would hear herself on tape and claim it wasn’t true, lol!

  14. Teresa
    06/02/2011 at 7:32 pm

    Today was exhausting for sure. I think back to when I first listened to the jailhouse audio/videos. Back then, at that point, I only knew Casey lied about her job and stuff like that. So, today, to be an actual juror now watching the tapes for the first and knowing there never was a Nanny, hundreds of people were trying to help recover a child that was already gone, websites had been created, money had been donated and here is Lee Anthony spinning his wheels trying to find his niece, with every second of his life, and the entire time Casey is thanking everyone for their support and efforts when she knows the truth and Caylee has been dead for weeks. The jury has got to be blown away and repulsed by this monster. I loved it when they played the part were Lee says to Casey ” I don’t give a s— about Baez!” And Casey laughs and agrees with Lee. So “donchais” – everyday at the end of court, we can expect Baez to motion for a mistrial, correct? I raise my martini glass each time he does that. Thanks again for the blog.

  15. offthecuff
    06/02/2011 at 7:37 pm

    Those tapes were recorded and though the judge said they were “an accurate depiction” Casey probably thought someone technically tinkered with them in order to “twist her words!”

  16. donchais
    06/02/2011 at 7:43 pm

    Thanks Teresa!

    I was appalled listening today. As I said, knowing what we know now… Yup, when we originally heard Casey’s ‘bs’ we kinda bought it because we didn’t know our little baby girl was gone. The jury is getting the info in reverse order of how we received it!

    As for motion for mistrial. The Mark Jensen murder case set the precedent on mistrial motions. He annoyed the crap out of me, (I would however, hire him if I ever needed a defense attorney!) but I remember defense attorney Craig Albee asking for mistrial multiple times a day towards the end of trial!

    So, if you are going to raise your martini glass each time, a word of advice – wear full padding, a crash helmet and a seat belt! 🙂


  17. donchais
    06/02/2011 at 7:46 pm

    offthecuff :

    Those tapes were recorded and though the judge said they were “an accurate depiction” Casey probably thought someone technically tinkered with them in order to “twist her words!”

    Well, they did have ‘murder on their minds’!!!!

  18. Kim
    06/02/2011 at 8:04 pm

    donchais :
    Doh! Guess trial fatigue set in.
    I was so pissed at Baez about the new witness and discovery, but shouldn’t be surprised, I guess. He just makes an bigger and bigger ass of himself each day and the defense desperation grows exponentially!

    Ass is the perfect word. He will be bigger than King Kong before this trial is over

  19. Julie
    06/02/2011 at 9:08 pm

    I just found this blog and it is now a favorite. Your comments are hilarious and I found myself LOL’ing several times. I’ll be back!

  20. David In TN
    06/02/2011 at 9:20 pm

    From watching TV, I heard that Casey Anthony hired Jose Baez because her fellow inmates recommended him as “the man to see,” a “referral” of sorts. I would assume most of Casey’s jail acquaintances were in for relatively minor offences, drug possession, shoplifting, etc. A capital murder trial is somewhat different.

    Still, Cheney Mason is supposed to be “death qualified.”

  21. Jo
    06/02/2011 at 9:55 pm

    Darn, I had to leave for doc appt. today and missed most of today’s testimony and am so glad I have you for recap. (Is anyone else’s other half calling them “obsessive”?)

    I now remember who Casey reminds me of when she wears her shawl and “ear bangs”. Ruth Buzzi!

    Watching these videos, I decided to look up “sociopath”. Don’t know if I am allowed to put a webpage…. but if I can:

    Sociopath = Casey Anthony. No doubt in my mind.

    Oh yeah, Donchais, you nearly had me with the “bar carts”!

  22. donchais
    06/02/2011 at 10:04 pm

    Julie :

    I just found this blog and it is now a favorite. Your comments are hilarious and I found myself LOL’ing several times. I’ll be back!

    Welcome to CFJ, Julie!

    I am staunchly dedicated to protecting kids from abuse of any kind and
    tend to be irreverent and incredulous in my observations! But, what the heck.

  23. donchais
    06/02/2011 at 10:11 pm

    Hey Jo!

    Links are fine as long as they follow the conditions of comments!

    The ‘bar carts’ was only partially a ‘funny’ – I deeply needed one at that point of the day!

  24. 06/03/2011 at 5:45 am

    I thought you did great before the update. I read the update this morning and I’d like to know how they can introduce George Anthony’s hospital records? Can he possibly have given permission to save Casey? This girl is a monster.

  25. donchais
    06/03/2011 at 6:43 am

    Thanks Maria!

    HIPPA regs don’t give much leeway, but a murder and death sebtence are involved. If the defense does manage to get them in, I’m sure the court will be cleared, the cameras unplugged and the public will not be privy to the information.

  26. 06/03/2011 at 8:28 am

    Just heard Geraldo say that he spoke to Alan Dershowitz and he says this will be overturned on appeal because the police didn’t read her her rights. I hope that’s not the case.

  27. donchais
    06/03/2011 at 8:48 am

    Bah, she wasn’t under arrest, lol!

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