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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – Day Seventeen

02/11/2013

We all know there was a closed door hearing on Thursday.  What we didn’t know, was what was being discussed.  Well, on Saturday the hearing was unsealed and we’ve come to find out that Judge Sherry Stephens will allow Arias to testify that she walked in on Travis masturbating while looking at photos of young boys.

Juan Martinez argued that first Arias said the pictures were on the computer and then changed it to he had photos spread out on the bed.  Judge Stephens said Martinez would have ample time to cross examine Arias.  BTW, police found no such evidence on Travis’ computer and no photos were located in the house.

The other interesting piece of information is Settlement Conference Memo – Plea Info2.  Seems Arias and Nurmi offered the State a ‘deal’ in 2011.  She would accept second  degree murder and thus would not further trash Travis or other friends any further.  So dragging Travis and others through the mud has been Arias and Nurmi’s plan all along! 

Screen shot 2013-02-11 at 12.43.35 PMCourt resumes at 10:41 MST with Jodi back on the stand.

Jury brought in at 10:43 MST.Screen shot 2013-02-11 at 12.42.02 PM

Don’t know how much more of these lies and drivel I can stand! 

Jodi’s dad and brother, Joseph in attendance today! Screen shot 2013-02-11 at 12.41.54 PM

We are back with the T-shirt and pink underwear.  That shirt had to do with Travis’ blog…note they haven’t shown the back of the T-shirt and there were a bunch of them out there!  I also believe Jodi made up the pink panties on her own!

She was confused about the Spiderman underwear.  She doesn’t know how many pairs were in the package, BUT she remembers there were 3 different patterns!!!!

Did he wish you to wear this underwear?  Yes.

He wanted you to try on these boys underwear?  Yes, the seat fit, but the leg openings were tight.

She made alterations so they would fit.  He expressed gratification when she wore them.  He said they were hot.

She felt silly wearing them.

Had Mr. Alexander been violent with you prior to February 2007?  No.

Had you seen instances of his temper?  Yes.

Over the phone she heard his temper just before Valentines Day.

Jodi now claims Travis told her in his teens, he had a temper, but had mastered it.

The first time they had vaginal penile intercourse in the spring…around May.

She was in his bed in Mesa sleeping and she woke up and he was on top of her and had penetrated her.

He had removed her shorts and her shirt was pulled up pretty high.

When she woke it took her a moment to orient herself, but she didn’t feel unsafe.

Screen shot 2013-02-11 at 1.03.20 PMNot once did she tell him to stop!!!

In April she knew she loved him, but didn’t tell him.

Afterward, they never talked about it because he never brought it up.

In the Mesa area did Travis display any affection in public?  No.

She moved to Big Sur because she got her job back at Ventana.

Matt McCartney and she were living in the same employee housing and working together.  They broke up in 2001, but remained good friends.

Travis knew, but wasn’t upset.

Summer 2007 she and Travis flew to NY to see more Mormon historic sites.

She identifies two photos of her and Travis in NY.  By this time she found out Travis was cheating on her.  They were in NY for a week, but she couldn’t change the tickets so she suffered in silence.

Why does Travis never look happy in any photos with Jodi???

Jodi admits she found out about the cheating by taking his phone and reading his text messages.

Jodi never confronted Travis about the number of women’s numbers in his phone.

Funny she says bunch of numbers, but no names!  So, how does she know they were all female??

After all this, why didn’t you just leave?  I think I was in denial.  I was a doormat and didn’t have very much self-esteem.  I was waiting for the right moment.

But, you’re still having sexual relations?  Yes, it made me feel loved.

Next they went to Disneyland the on to Riverside to Travis’ grandma’s.

How much time does she get for vacation???

She didn’t have the courage to breakup in person so she knew she had to do it over the phone.

She told him what she had seen on his phone and he was apologetic.  She felt his apology was weak and they were no longer a couple as of June 29, 2007.

He called her the next morning and she thought he was at Chris and Sky’s house.  The conversation became sexual, he said he was horny…

Objection…approach…

The day after you broke up, you said the conversation was sexual, was he talking about acts he wanted to do to you?  Yes.  He told me he would change and it made me feel better.  She continued intimate conversation with him.

They began again to have late night phone calls (even though the were broken up).  He talked about marriage and children.

Good lord, kill me now!

This comment is so apropos…Objection, your honor. The defendant is asking us to suspend all reality.

Lunch recess called at 12 MST!

I fully believe numb-nuts is dragging this out, but it may come back to bite him on the butt for one, getting Jodi to lie more and two, boring the jury to distraction!

Tweet from court, lol… jose miguel@reporterjmiguel

#JodiArias jury looking more angered/annoyed than interested. AGAIN, my opinion/observation.

1:36 MST Arias back on the stand.

Judge tells Arias too many objections…she is not being responsive to questions and to pay attention to the questions, lol!!!!

She decided to move to Mesa.

Travis told her there were benefits in Mesa…the Church was strong there and lots of single females looking for roommates and they could hang out more.

Did hanging out mean sexual relationships?  Yes.

She moved 15 to 20 minutes away from Travis.

Rachel, the girl she moved in with got married and she had to leave after 2 1/2 weeks.

She next moved to a house that was only 10 minutes or less to Travis’ house around August 2007.

Dang, the steam coming off the pile of poop is overwhelming!

They still had sexual relationships.

She eventually found a job at PF Chang’s.  Travis also hired her for $200 a month to clean his house.  Travis wanted her to wear a French maid outfit!!

Travis sent her an email stating the same that she identifies for Nurmi.

LIAR and BS!

Ok, hand count…how many remember she has hacked his accounts!

Travis made sexual advances while she was there cleaning!

Martinez just objected to the French maid outfit picture, supposedly emailed to Jodi, to being published to the jury.

Numb-nuts is digging like crazy through his files now.  Emails hearsay?  Over 18,00 of them.

Oh good, Jodi sniffling the fake cry thingy!

Holy crap, must be a tech problem and jury sent out.

Maybe the French maid photo took out the system, lol!

Jury back at 2:18 MST.

Nurmi shows the French maid uniform pic to Arias that she identifies.

She said she believed it was a joke.

Did you believe because you were working for him, he had the right to sexual relationships?  I didn’t think about it that way.

How long did you work as his maid?  The whole time I was in Mesa.

Now the sex is in her car, in parking lots or at her house in Mesa.  In her bedroom or on the front porch.  The front porch was a fantasy of Travis’.

Why do I feel I’m in a parallel universe?

Travis wanted to drive up to the house in the dark have sex and ejaculated on her face, not say a word and left.  He dropped something by her before he left.   It was candy!

All these things she found distasteful or uncomfortable she put up with in order to make Travis happy!

The puke factor has reached a new high.

She talks about the places they traveled to from the list of 1000 places to see.

We’ve reached October 2007 now.

Two more photos are identified about other tips they took.

Fake crying again on the stand.

Do those make you upset?  Yes, I didn’t think it would end up the way it did.

No offense, but this crap is so all over the board, nobody can follow what the hell is going on, when or where!

Lord, were back to a bunch of old crap that we’ve been over before!

Claims Travis was still talking marriage.  Methinks, not…he never wanted to marry her!

Afternoon recess called…

I am more disgusted today than before and it will only be dirtier from here and I feel I need a shower! I am just so disgusted…more than any other trial I’ve followed.

Back at 3:19 MST.

OMG, they are back to the backpack argument again.  I have no clue what they heck they are doing today!

Dan and Desiree where the kinda like glue and let ‘s get on with the trip.  I was thinking of going home, but I don’t know how it got together, but we were all in the car and heading out.

During a fight Travis told Jodi her brother was gay because his name is Carl.  That’s my grandfather’s name and he said my grandfather must be gay too.

The argument continued and Travis told her a good idea was for her to move to Antarctica, She considered suicide and called Matt because she knew he had guns.

Travis calls her and says he needed her to make his bed.

He wanted to have sex?  Yes.

She turned around and the made they bed and had anal sex that night.

They have gone so astray today!

January 21, 2008 she claims she got of work and went to Travis’ house to load boxes in the attic.

He came down and handed her a porcelain angel that she thought was sweet.

She left and forgot the angel, but knew Travis would make fun of her for that so she went back to get the angel.

She walked in and saw Travis was masturbating over pictures of a little boy.  Maybe 5 or 6 in age.  The boy was dressed in underwear.

She didn’t know what to do so she left and got in her car to drive home.

She felt nauseated.

Travis called her the same evening.  She didn’t think about leaving him because she was confused.

She decided to let him explain and there were frantic messages from him on her phone.

She had heard that kids who did this had been abused themselves and that made her sad.

This poor Alexander family are just shaking their heads!

She went to his house later that nite.

What did he say?

Objection, hearsay…sidebar…

So, anybody seen evidence of this BS?

What did you discuss?  He was explaining?

Objection…hearsay

I already knew he was interested in young girls but….he preferred sex with women because it made him feel more normal.

He asked you to wear the Spiderman underwear because he liked to think of you as a young boy?  Yes.

Did you have sex after this conversation?  Yes, anal sex.

Having sex with women made him feel more normal than his other deviant behaviors.

She gave him some mental pamphlets that might help him before she left in March 2008.

That upset Travis.

This led to an argument that escalated to physical.  She tried to leave 3 times but Travis pushed her down and prevented her from leaving.

Now Travis is asking to borrow money from her.  Called her selfish after she lent him $700.

He grabbed her, screaming at her and slammed her to the floor at the foot of his bed.

He said don’t act like that hurt and called me a bitch and kicked me in the ribs.

He tried to kick her again and kicked he in the hand instead.  He left the room.

Says the ring finger on left hand was injured.  She didn’t tell police because she didn’t want to get him in trouble.

Say, isn’t that the same finger she showed Flores???

When you look at that injury, how do you feel?

Objection…sidebar…

Ah, numb-nuts has just entered the battered woman theory!

She holds up the finger again and kinda pulls an OJ…if the glove doesn’t fit, ya can’t convict!

Judge mercifully calls it a day, 4:30 MST.

Dunno about you, but had more than enough today!  My interest was held today, but man, the lies where so big and piled high!  Funny how Jodi never told ANYONE about all this crap!

I’m pretty much spent!

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  1. Guest
    02/11/2013 at 6:51 pm

    I am so sorry for Travis and his family. It is so sad that someone can get on the stand and lie and make someone out to be someone they are not. There are so many people that loved him, and he had many girlfriends that does not make him an abuser. Sorry but if walked in on my boyfriend and pornographic photos of young boys my butt would be at the police station not back at the house having sex. I hope Travis gets justice and I hope that Martinez can catch her in many lies. I look forward to the day the prosecution cross examines and she gets what she derserves.

    • donchais
      02/11/2013 at 6:56 pm

      Yup!!!

  2. Rache
    02/11/2013 at 7:08 pm

    There is absolutely no way that Travis could be a pedophile, rapist, sexual deviant, a physically and emotionally abusive man….without other people seeing some sort of signs. How convenient that only Jodi witnessed these sides of Travis. And are we really to believe that he pulled her shorts off, pulled her shirt up high, climbed onto her back, penetrated her….and she SLEPT through it all. I seriously feel the defense and Jodi have gone way too far. It is just TOO much and SO unbelievable. I cannot even imagine how his family members sit there and listen to this….I think I would have lunged at her by now. Thanks, donchais, for your great blog. I wanted to ask….what did she tell Flores about the finger??? I must have missed that.

    • donchais
      02/11/2013 at 8:16 pm

      Travis had damaged her finger…Flores told her no….only a finger on a blade slippery with blood…

  3. 02/11/2013 at 7:17 pm

    Battered woman syndrome entered today…..I’m sure the Defense couldn’t wait to get that slipped in…..
    What about the chances are that the broken finger…happened when she was stabbing Travis…….?
    It’s a sad day when the murderer is being portrayed as the Victim…..and the True Victim is being trashed……

    • donchais
      02/11/2013 at 8:18 pm

      see response to Rache!

    • donchais
      02/11/2013 at 8:20 pm

      Yup!

  4. Dramsop
    02/11/2013 at 7:49 pm

    Gotta give you HUGE kudos, Donchais! I know you implied that this case even tests your limits, but you are made of much more sturdy stuff than I, my friend! Turns out I had time to watch this today and literally had to shut it off ( knowing I could count on you for the summary). I am beyond disgusted with this . I hope this jury is smart enough not to be sidetracked by the sideshow. This evil thing needs to have the smirk permanently wiped off her face with a death penalty conviction. Sick of the “dear diary” regurgitation of her every thought and (gag, GAG… Sexual response) particularly since they are all BS anyway. And it has to be said – what is Nurmi’s game? Living vicariously through the sexual delusions of others? Isn’t he going a bit far with the inane minutiae of it all? She can try to paint Travis out to be anything she wants but the one thing she has NOT done is shown ANY kind of coercion on his part or control over her or physical violence against her that can be validated. It’s ALL in her head!!! How poetic that he allegedly “damages her ring finger” (had to be that one of course-poor tragic heroine that she is) . Every time she spouts this crap, I feel like I’ve entered the twilight zone. Maybe I’m thick, but I still cannot wrap my head around any kind of battered woman or self defense here. Everything this troll says is consensual. She goes out of her way to get with him- he is not holding her captive, he does not persue her, she does not depend on him for a roof over her head, she does not depend on him to raise small kids – or any other hundreds of reasons for an imbalance of power in this relationship. It’s ALL in her head!! She has never even told him she didn’t like his behaviour or that she felt used or like toilet paper ( I would suggest she is what is ON the toilet paper…but still) she is trying to set up a defense that he is guilty for not taking responsibility for WHAT IS IN HER HEAD! How is that a crime? And he is a successful businessman borrowing money from her?? WHAAAA…? SHE gave HIM pamphlets on mental health? Is this the “everything I do to you I will say you do to me” part of the program? Again – I ‘m so glad you act as a filter for this debris because it is truly sickening. Thanks again for your voice of sanity and your reports.

    • donchais
      02/11/2013 at 8:23 pm

      Thanks…she makes me sick…liar and bitch that she is!

  5. David In TN
    02/11/2013 at 8:13 pm

    On her show tonight (Monday), Nancy Grace ripped the judge for allowing this testimony with no corroboration of any kind.

  6. ritanita
    02/11/2013 at 8:14 pm

    Donchais, words fail me, almost! What a pile of putrid poo is being put out here. The supposedly linear story of this relationship is going around in circles. Don’t even let me get started on the pedophilia.

    She claims to keep going back to him and supposedly wants to be his wife?

    Her case is built on bits and pieces of fact and filled in with massive lies. Since it is her turn, Jodi gets her days and days on the stand to spew.

    Of course, Jodi is following the guidelines of the list of symptoms for domestic violence and her expert will get up on the stand to connect the fictional dots.

    I have always been a bit in the dumps in cases where the defense comes on strong like this. The only thing that cures it is a good, searing cross examination which will lay bare the lies. Juan Martinez is my hero in this case. I have to have faith in this prosecutor or all will be lost.

    I will also be watching in cross for the cell phone records to back up Jodi’s assertions for that particular day.

    In the rebuttal case, I want to see Jodi be slammed to the mat. I sure hope we get that fella Bobby to tell his story of his and Jodi’s relationship.

    Sorry, just separated bits of various rants I’ve been having during my endless days of Jodi-watching. It isn’t going to end until she’s killed Travis in self-defense but has her brain freeze up as to those pesky little details.

    Looking forward to reading your blog tomorrow!

  7. Linda
    02/11/2013 at 11:08 pm

    i know how you are feeling. I have been ranting all day…but i don’t understand how she can lie and not have anything to back it up with. Doesn’t she know that Mr Martinez is going to question her on it? Or there’s going to be a forensic computer guy that says there were no photos anywhere in his home, computers, phone. She made me ill today. I felt sorry for Travis’s family , i was embarressed for her young brother listening to all of this sex talk. And her father sitting there through this graphic testimony looking very ill. Why would she tell her parents to be there of all days. geez sorry im just upset…She is such a liar.

  8. Ginger
    02/11/2013 at 11:36 pm

    Some people have said Martinez might come of too aggressive during cross-exam but I hope the jury realizes that soft spoken Flores was as soft spoken as Nurmi and it was lie after lie .

  9. John
    02/12/2013 at 12:18 am

    The lies just keep piling up(no pun inteneded!).Do you know when this dog and pony show of hers will finally end and the prosecution will get to cross examine?

    • donchais
      02/12/2013 at 12:23 am

      Based on the timeline and Nurmi draggin things out…expect she will on direct til next week…we still have to see her move back to CA, make the murderous drive back to Mesa…explain what happened that night…lots to get to before Martinez gets unleashed!

  10. GN5020
    02/12/2013 at 7:02 am

    I became so upset watching Jodi Arias trash the man she slaughtered that I stopped watching, so I really appreciate this detailed daily account of the testimony. I will look forward to her cross examination and hope that Martinez can combine a surgical attack on her lies without being so aggressive that the jury feels sorry for her. In his rebuttal, I want to hear from all the people who must have examples of Jodi lying for her own benefit, not to mention the other side of her obsession about Travis. After the Casey Anthony trial, I have lost a good bit of faith in juries, and I hope they are not falling for her teary tale. Someone on her team must have told her that her lack of affect was not working, so over the weekend she practiced when she would break down on the stand. Bottom line, she is being consistent in her obsession and revenge — she couldn’t just shoot Travis to kill him, she went for overkill with the knife. This false testimony alleging abuse and pedophilia is just her way to go one step further, destroying Travis’s reputation and memory publicly. Such a twisted girl. If the jury lets her off with 2nd degree, she will write a book and be out on the dating scene in a few years, enjoying her new found fame as an unfortunate victim.

  11. PK
    02/12/2013 at 8:34 am

    GN5020 :
    If the jury lets her off with 2nd degree, she will write a book and be out on the dating scene in a few years, enjoying her new found fame as an unfortunate victim.

    And if just one juror is responsible for the lesser verdict, he/she will instantly become the latest nobody on the talk show circuit, possible book deal recipient and the unjustified victim of the other jurors who failed to see it was sexual deviani/pedophile Travis’s fault all along. Chilling thought, but the Casey Anthony verdict is still fresh in my memory.

    .

  12. paula
    02/12/2013 at 9:04 am

    I was absolutely dumbfounded at all the lies and BS. However the one thing that stood out in my mind was her comment about how it made her uncomfortable to discuss all the sexual escapes with her parents and family in the court. Why on earth would anyone let their younger brother sit there and listen to all this S**T? Am I wrong or can’t the court/family ask someone to leave the court or at least recommend that they leave during this type of testimony, even if they are not a “witness”? If I was unfortunate to be the parent in this case I would have made my younger son leave, pronto!

    • donchais
      02/12/2013 at 9:12 am

      He sure didn’t look comfortable!

  13. Rache
    02/12/2013 at 11:39 am

    Last night a caller to Jane Velez Mitchell said she finds Jodi believable and even likable. This made me rather ill…..I am very worried there will be at least one juror who feels the same way. Casey Anthony…all over again. I hope I am wrong.

  14. GN5020
    02/12/2013 at 11:58 am

    For any juror who finds her believable and likeable, hopefully the prosecution will point out in closing that without the forensic evidence proving she was there, she might well have gotten away with a heinous and vicious crime that went well beyond any kind of self-defense response — because she knows how to appear innocent and likeable, even when she isn’t.

  15. 02/12/2013 at 1:14 pm

    I saw the guy on Dr. Drew the other night and it was sickening that he found her believable. Well all I can say is let’s not give up hope just yet. Remember that the Defense are letting her spin her story pretty much uninterrupted where she can weave her tale. I believe that things will take a 180 degree turn once Juan Martinez picks apart her story. Let’s not forget he is taking notes…

  16. MMD
    02/12/2013 at 1:16 pm

    I was surprised to see JA’s father in court today. He certainly didn’t look too frail to me, which is what she testified to. Throughout all of this I got the impression that JA was not in close contact with any of her family, so I wonder if this is a command performance orchestrated by the defense.

    Gonna try to stay awake today since yesterday’s same old same old bs got getting very tiresome when I don’t believe anything that comes out of her mouth. I certainly hope the jury sees it that way as well.

    Now, the cross by Juan Martinez will be riveting and hopefully successful. I have great faith in him, however, like PK, I think that the Casey Anthony verdict is still very fresh in so many minds. Ya never know what a jury is thinking! 😦

  17. MMD
    02/12/2013 at 1:53 pm

    I take back what I said about JA’s father looking frail. According to HLN he is currently undergoing dialysis.

    As for people finding JA believable and even likeable, I hope they remember Ted Bundy!!! He was so successful during his reign of terror because of his supposed charm.

  18. PK
    02/12/2013 at 2:32 pm

    Trials that attract cameras and “if it bleeds, it leads” media attention also can adversely affect jury judgment. Weeks and weeks of cameras focused on everybody in the courtroom but the jurors can bring out the worst in some who are asked to sacrifice so much for so little.

    Even under the best of circumstances, Murphy’s Law is always just an unexpected moment away. Hopefully, in this capital murder trial, the many “Calls For Justice” will be heard loud and clear!

  19. donchais
    02/12/2013 at 2:55 pm

    Thx PK! That’s the point exactly!

  20. MMD
    02/12/2013 at 3:03 pm

    Ditto PK and donchais.

  21. Rache
    02/12/2013 at 4:03 pm

    Throughout the phone tape, Jodi continually wipes her nose…..but no tears. I wonder if the jurors notice that.

  22. PK
    02/12/2013 at 4:34 pm

    Listening to the “sex” tape now and sounds to me like Travis is well beyond point 08 on the booze scale and easily aroused by Miss Skank. So add drinking to his many vices, but not that unexpected, even from a returned Mormon Missionary. As I recall, my first drink was on an Austrian Airlines flight from London to Vienna on the way to my Mission when I ordered “:ein glass milch” and the Austrian flight attendant assumed the any well dressed somewhat mature looking male must be referring to liebfraumilch, not the cow variety. I liked it! Really… Still do…

  23. Lisa
    02/13/2013 at 12:39 am

    Hard not to make the Casey Anthony parallels here. Did the defense take a page out of Jose Baez’s book (literally!) or what? Travis’ alleged and unsubstantiated “pedophilia” sounds an awful lot like the alleged and unsubstantiated sexual abuse George supposedly inflicted on Casey. I am hoping and praying the outcome of this trial is different though.
    Also, how can the jury not see through Nurmi’s tactics? I just hope they’re making them as nauseated as they make me. How far can he go in his Travis bashing before the jury starts to feel sympathy with Travis? Isn’t he walking a fine line?

  24. Pursey
    02/13/2013 at 3:44 am

    I hope Juan Martinez points out that on the so-called faux enjoyment on the sex tape that during their conversation Jodi told Travis that she hoped to marry a guy like him; nice but freaky. She went on to say that there are lots of nice guys or people in the world but she wanted to meet a guy who was really nice but freaky.

    I am disgusted by the ridicous lie about the pedophilia discovery. She claims Tracis gave her a ceramic angle and she set it on the dresser by her purse. Next we are to believe that she somehow forgot to take this precious gift with her and slipped back into the house to retrieve it because she knew Travis would make fun of her for forgetting it. Then she stumbles upon Travis and his little boy fetish. Right. First–she would never have forgotten that gift—she did it on purpose. Second, if Travis even was pleasuring himself he was not looking at little boys. She made this up to humiliate him post death by her slaughter.

    Nurmi, how’d this guy get involved in this trial? His personal practice is defending accused sex offenders; chd molesters. His career is devoted to defending people charged with sex crimes against minors and now he paints a murdered man as a rapist and pedophile with no proof. Does anyone know how he came to be her lead attorney?

  25. 02/13/2013 at 4:57 am

    PK :
    Listening to the “sex” tape now and sounds to me like Travis is well beyond point 08 on the booze scale and easily aroused by Miss Skank. So add drinking to his many vices, but not that unexpected, even from a returned Mormon Missionary. As I recall, my first drink was on an Austrian Airlines flight from London to Vienna on the way to my Mission when I ordered “:ein glass milch” and the Austrian flight attendant assumed the any well dressed somewhat mature looking male must be referring to liebfraumilch, not the cow variety. I liked it! Really… Still do…

    I don’t think that Travis is drunk. It’s been noted that when they chatted by phone it was always late at night. Jodi claimed that they both were night owls. I just think it was in the wee hours of the morning and he was drowsy from sleep. It appears on more than one occasion that he dozes off a few times.

  26. vicki
    02/16/2013 at 12:07 am

    i can’t wait for cross exam from Juan Martinez!! enough already with the life history. it still does not explain self defense. i mean come on everything he suffered was from the back so tell me again who attacked who?! 2/15/2013

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