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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – Day Twenty-Six

02/28/2013

There were so many great moments yesterday where Martinez really shinned.  The gas cans, the ‘rope’, text messages showing Jodi was the sexual aggressor.  Can’t wait to see what today brings!

Also wondering how the heck Nurmi and Willmott will deal with the deep hole their client dug.  Gonna be a tough sell!

Not sure which way I want to see it go…let the jury have the weekend with Juan memories and not give Nurmi time to hone up…or scare the daylights out of him by ending early after lunch today!

Sidebar to start the day.

Court begins at 10:35.

Screen shot 2013-02-28 at 3.32.15 PMYou packed your car getting ready to leave around 2?  That sounds correct.

What time was it when you put your luggage in the car?  After we were done having sex.

After 2pm you went down to the office?  Yes.

Jodi doesn’t remember if Travis walked her out to the car with her luggage and can’t nail the time.

Martinez has the transcript.

You had sex?  Yes.

Then Mr. Alexander went to take a shower?

Now playing interview with Flores.

Jodi tells Flores Travis had been cleaning his house and she was sitting on the couch.

He went to shower and Jodi asked to take pictures and at first Travis said no, he finally gave in.

It took a lot for you to convince him?  Yes, that was before June 4.

Jodi insists she was talking about another date.

You indicated that Travis was shaving before the shower?  That was another time.

Martinez shows the photo of Travis in the shower and he is clean -shaven.

Jodi is still insisting she didn’t see Travis shave that day.

Jodi is squirrellier today more than ever!

Martinez has played the tape at least 4 times and Arias’ is still denying!

Mr. Alexander had a new camera and you weren’t familiar with it were you?  Correct.

Jodi MAY have deleted sex photos, but she can’t be sure it wasn’t him.

Argument about her constantly saying, I believe.  She’s pulling more of her verbal gymnastics.

She believes it was him who deleted the sex pix, but she’s not sure.

Shower photos…

By the time you took those, you had never deleted a picture?

She doesn’t agree and says she deleted shower photos.

We’re back to having a big fracas about who deleted the pictures and her back and forth answers.

Next pix she took was when he was in the shower.  Prior to that, she believes she never deleted anything from the shower but she believed she had deleted some.

Martinez gets it down to sex photos vs. shower pix.  She didn’t delete any photos, but now she’s not entirely sure.

Over and over about deleting…ackkkkk!

She can’t tell him who or when she first deleted anything from his camera.

She finally answers after they were taken.

Martinez asks if she is familiar with how to delete photos from the new camera.

He shows Travis seated, the body shot.

Arias says it’s an inadvertent photograph.

What was the camera doing?  She has no idea.  They were looking at the photos.

This was the last photo before the ceiling picture.  Martinez wants to know what happened with the camera that caused this picture to be taken.  She answers that her finger hit the shutter.

Asks when she deleted, after he deleted sex photos and she began shower pictures?  She can’t say whether she or Travis did.

Martinez points out its in focus, but the next one isn’t.  How can it be inadvertent, how can it be accidental?  She says because all the photos were supposed to be waist-up shots.

She was holding the camera to the best of her ability.

She wouldn’t take a shot of “that”, Travis’ butt.  She says, “that’s why he deleted it” when asked if Travis got mad at her about it.  No.

Seated picture of Travis face shot.  Martinez asked if she directed him for this picture.  She said he was sitting down and she asked him to look at the camera.

Martinez goes to the pictures of Travis standing in the shower.

Did you tell him to sit down?  No.

There’s a bit of discussion that Travis “wanted” pictures taken because he wanted to remember how good he looked in Cancun.

If it took a lot of convincing, why are you saying he wanted the pictures?   He did need convincing and on June 4 he was ready for it because his body was toned.

She never told that to Flores.

He asks her why she has a hard time answering questions when they are in conflict with what you are saying?

Objection…sustained.

Martinez shows a diagram of the bathroom. Includes the closet and bedroom.

Points out where the rope was.

Exhibit 161:  5:31:14 ceiling picture.  Travis is still seated, she says she was kneeling.

Where were you when the ceiling picture was taken?  Immediately in front of the shower door about 4 feet back.

She was kneeling.  She wasn’t far from the floor.

Martinez shows the “butt” picture again and she says she was a little more than 2′ away.

Jodi says she dropped the camera and says it fell onto the mat on the floor (which is to the right of the shower).  It came to rest near the bathtub.

When the camera came to rest, Jodi said Travis snapped, got angry, got up, got out of the shower and started swearing at her.

Now says she didn’t know his exact position when he was about 2 feet from her.

He gets a mean look in his face as he picked her up.

OMG, Jodi goes off on a tangent, saying she’d seen a similar look in August 20007 when he grabbed her wrist!

Martinez points out something different happens now.  He body slammed her in the same area on the tile, facing south!

She was aware that she was facing south!  She says she wasn’t thinking about it when it happened.  Martinez asks her if she lost any memory of that happening.

Jodi says she doesn’t know about head injuries!

Martinez asks where the camera is.  She doesn’t remember the camera any more.

He’s standing over you?  Yes. I rolled to the left, and ran down the hallway.

OMG!  She doesn’t remember if he had one or both feet out of the shower!

NOW she says “well yeah” he was out in the shower.  Then she says one foot was maybe in the shower.

Holy crap!

She was terrified!

Travis came for her close enough to body slam her.

Travis is standing close to her in the area, with his feet near her legs, knees.

He wasn’t straddling her.  He was by her knees or shins, now.

Remember, all this took place from the middle of the shower area into the tub area.

He was on her right with her feet near the shower. Then, she got the wind knocked out of her and she hit her head.  She has a memory of it.

No kidding folks, this is what’s being said.

Jodi says her rib cage hurt, it was painful.  Now, she’s not sure how MUCH the wind was knocked out of her.  She said she’d had it happen before, but she could breathe.  “Breathing wasn’t going through my mind.”

Jodi can’t seem to figure out how she felt when Travis supposedly body slammed her.

She says she can’t remember having difficulty breathing.  Now, the wind was PARTIALLY knocked out of her.

OMG!

She rolled and ran down the hallway. Even after having her head smacked and the wind knocked out of her.

Travis is naked and angry.  She turns to her left to get up.

You had absolutely no problem getting up?  She doesn’t know.

Travis didn’t stop you?  She perceived he tried to get on top of her.

She rolled away before that could happen.

She remembers him coming at her while she’s on the ground.

Didn’t he have to stoop over?  I don’t know, I rolled.

Did he stoop over?  She wasn’t looking at him at that point.

Could he have been trying to help you and apologize?  She doesn’t know how to answer that.

She perceived he was stooping down, to get on top of her.

Basically, she claimed she wanted to get away from the situation.  She didn’t know what he was doing after he slammed her.

After rolling, she got up and went down the hallway.  She just rolled to her side and got up running.

Martinez reminds her Travis was in good shape and a wrestler.

After running down the hallway, she turned right and headed for the closet.

Travis couldn’t catch you?  Jodi says he didn’t.  She didn’t look behind her.

He wasn’t coming after you? She didn’t look behind her.

You get to the closet door before him?  Yes.

She was able to slam the door.

Remember, no lock on the closet door!

Martinez puts up a picture of Travis dead in the shower and Jodi starts to cry.

Did you cry when you shot him?

When you cut his throat?

Jodi has covered her face with the hair and her hands.

Judge Stevens calls for lunch.

Nurmi approaches his sobbing client to comfort her and escort her.  I watched Jodi “crying” but since she had her face totally covered, I couldn’t see any tears.  I finally caught a look at her and nope!  No tears visible.

Court resumes 1: 34.

Martinez shows the picture of Travis dead in the shower and says Travis was within a foot of you?  I don’t remember.

But, he could have kicked you?  Yes, but I rolled and got up and ran.

This morning you told us you didn’t know where he was?   I thought I heard footsteps running after me.

So he is coming after you?  Yes.

Made you scared?  Very.

You ran into the closet and slammed the door?  Yes.

How do you know he was still mad?  Travis never calmed down that fast.

You grabbed the gun?  No, I was planning to run through the other closet door.

He wasn’t in the closet with you and you don’t know what he’s doing?  Correct.

Did you have time to think?  I may have.

Didn’t you just say you thought?  Yes, about getting away.  He was trying to get in.

The photo of Travis is in the shower is still up and Jodi won’t even look at it, instead has turned to the jury.

You could have continued to run?  Only if I was suicidal.

So, he is in the closet and allows you to get the shelves and grab the gun?  It was split second.

This is a small closet?  Not as small as the cell I live in.

OMG!

Is there a problem with you answering the questions as posed?  I’m answering the best I can.

This closet is 11 and 1/2 feet long?  Yes.

You reach out to get the gun?  Yes.

Closet photo shown.

That’s a high shelf where the gun is?  No.

At 5’ 6’’ you could reach up and grab the gun?  I stood on one shelf.

You did this only with one hand?  Yes.  That’s right.

You did this without disturbing any of the shoes or pants?  Right.

This gun is the same one that you told Flores he didn’t own?  That’s right.

In fact, you called Det. Flores and volunteered that Travis didn’t own a gun?  Yes.

In all your text messages, Travis never threatened you?  Ummmm, no.

No emails threatening you?  No.

Juan should start each question with, ‘ma’am, yes or no’, to try to cut off her verbal diarrhea!

So you grabbed the gun? Yes, he was just opening the door and I turned and ran.

You had 11 1/2 foot head start and you could have run out the other door?  I was trying to deescalate the situation.

She ran from the closet to the center of the bathroom.

You ran away?  I didn’t want him to get near me.

She turned and but the floor was slippery.

You had on socks?  Yes.

Martinez shows the photo of her leg and foot behind Travis’ body.

You turn around?  Yeah.

Which hand do you have the gun in?  Both.

He’s still in the closet?  He’s coming out the door.  He’s running at me.

He was really close when he was coming at you?  Closer than I wanted him to be near me.

He got closer before you shot him?  It was simultaneous.

So, what happened to Travis tackling her?

You brought the gun with you from Yreka?  No.

The distance from the closet and the bathroom is only 4 feet so how much could he be running?  I don’t know.

Nurmi objects to the measurements on the bathroom diagram.  Judge has them approach.

For someone with no memory of the killing…awful lot of detail she has in her head!

Now she shot and he didn’t impact her till after she shot!!!!

This kinda blows it for her based on the trajectory of the bullet!

Travis lunged and hit her and knocked the gun out of her hand and they both fell backwards.

Jodi keeps saying his stance was that of a linebacker.

Martinez tells her to stand up and show us how he was charging toward her.  She says she would rather not.

Martinez goads her to stand up and show us.

Nurmi objects and approaches the bench.

Judge sends jury out for 5 minutes.

Judge tells Martinez to proceed.

Nurmi asks to approach again.

Now Judge tells everyone to leave and told cameras to stop recording…damn!

Ahhh, could be a problem if jury sees Jodi has a restraint on her leg?  Maybe that’s why she takes the stand before the jury comes in each time.  Also, as a requirement by the Sheriff Arpaio, all murder defendants wear a stun belt!

2:40 MST, jury being brought in.

Martinez has Jodi stand and show how Travis came at her.

Jodi plays flying nun!

Jodi plays flying nun showing how Travis lunged at her!

What she depicts, again contradicts the forensics bullet trajectory!

Then how is that the shell casing landed in blood?  It didn’t land in blood!

According to you this was the first blow?  Yes.

There was no blood?  Not before the shot.

You both fell?  Yes.

Where did he have a gunshot?  I don’t know.

After he was shot he was screaming at her but she can’t remember any of the words.

He is to your left or right?  I don’t remember.  Right hand side I think.  He was grabbing at my clothes.

She says she didn’t see any blood.

There was no blood after you shot him?  Not that I remember.

She already said she didn’t realize she shot him.

He’s still not dead?  No, he was very angry.  He was still pulling at my clothes and trying to gain control over me.

The shot takes him down and begins to create a fog for you?  Yes.

The only physical injury to you is your finger.  Yes.

You seek medical care for your finger?  No.

She has totally blown the defense!

Mr. Alexander was dead after the shot?  Not immediately.

Right, he grabbed the knife while you were stabbing him?  No.

The only injuries you sustained on June 4…your finger and your head?  I didn’t say that?

She remembers dropping the knife and screaming.

That’s all that you remember?  From that point to that point, yes.

Afternoon recess called.

WoWzer, WoWzer, WoWzer!!!

It was you who killed Travis on June 4?  Right.

Nobody else was there?  Yes.

You said things got foggy after that?  Yes.

What happened to the camera?  Last I saw it, it was in the bathroom.  Don’t know if it got kicked around.

She doesn’t remember if the roommates were in the house at the time of the murder.

Martinez again shows the photo of Arias dragging Travis’.

As you ran down the hallway, you weren’t carrying the camera?  No.

That camera ended up in the washing machine?  Yes.

You put the camera in the washing machine?  Yes.  I think that’s what happened.

If you did that, you picked up the camera and put it in the washing machine you knew Mr. Alexander was dead.

That photo was deleted.  Yes.

You deleted that?  Yes, it would seem so.

It takes more than one step to delete it?  Yes.

Martinez shows the huge bloodstain in the end of the hallway.  She agrees.

You had socks on?  Yes.

So these lighter blood patterns are from your socks?  I don’t know.

The shooting, where it occurred doesn’t explain all the blood in this picture of the sink?  No.

The blood wasn’t from you?  No.

She just agreed that the blood in the sink indicates Travis was standing!!!!

The glass found on top of Travis in the shower indicates you got the glass to try and clean up.  I guess.

Martinez shows the bloody watermark in the closet and she acknowledges she created that.

You took your socks off before you walked in the bedroom?  I don’t know.

You did leave the house, right?  Yes.

There is no record of you even being in Arizona?  There may have been surveillance.

You filled the car from the 3 gas cans?  I didn’t have 3 cans.

You threw the gun away in the desert?  Yes.

If you were in a fog, there would be no need for you to take the gun from the scene?  I wouldn’t say that.

If you’re in a fog, you don’t remember just certain things?  I wouldn’t say that.

Well it was your fog, why did you take the gun?  I don’t remember.

My jaw has been on the floor all afternoon!

Do you believe you did something wrong to Mr. Alexander?  Yes.

You did get rid of the gun?  Yes.

You removed the gun from the crime scene?  Yes.

You were trying to alter the crime scene?  It would appear so.

Into the stabbing now!

You would acknowledge Mr. Alexander was stabbed?  Yes.

That stabbing happened after the shooting according to you?  Yes.  I don’t remember.

The stabs to the back and head show he was turned away from you?  I don’t know what you are asking me.

You remember the ME testimony and the final wound was to the throat?  Are you talking about his testimony?  Yes.  I don’t agree with the sequence.

You were the one who slit his throat?  Yes.

Screen shot 2013-02-28 at 5.53.20 PMJodi has covered her face with her hair and hands again!  Sniffling and grabbing Kleenex again, but no tears, no red or puffy eyes!  Her performance sucks…she has no freakin remorse!

Even in the fog, you called Mr. Burns?  Yes.

Told him you were lost?  Yes.

You also called Mr. McCartney?  Yes.

And you left a message on Travis’ phone to make it look like you weren’t there?  Yes.

You wanted to throw suspicion off from you?  Yes.

Martinez plays the message she left for Travis…ain’t no way she sounds like she’s in a fog!!!!

Jodi has fully recovered and gone back to her word games again!

Martinez shows her an email that she sent to Travis on June 6!!!

You didn’t want to face the consequences?  Yes.

You trying to reach him in the grave?  No response!

The email was your attempt to stage the scene again?  Yes.

Martinez plays the 48 Hour tape where Jodi says no jury would convict her!

Holy cow!

In the relationship activities, you gave as good as you got!

Juan is stretching this out so Nurmi can’t get to her today, nice way to end the weekend for the jury!

Juan has nothing else at 4:30.

Jury released till Monday and a hearing is going to take place now!!

Media wants Feb. 20 chamber hearing minutes released.

Nurmi says the dissemination would interfere with Jodi getting a fair trial in a death penalty setting.

Judge Stephens rules, this trial has been covered by the media, gavel-to-gavel.

The court found the interest of the defendant and witnesses holds sway because of the intense media interest of the case.

Denied!

Well, after what Martinez has done today, he could have just dragged a big ol’ wood chipper into court and thrown her in it…would have saved all of us a lot of trouble!

I want to acknowledge my dear friend ritanita.

I had total mayhem happening this morning with all feeds…She stepped into the fray to rescue today’s blog and I very much appreciate her efforts.  Thanks ritanita!

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  1. commerce1
    02/28/2013 at 7:23 pm

    Jodi crying today when she was cornered stunned me because it reminded me of when my sociopathic ex-husband was convicted of domestic violence against me. I had never seen the man cry in 17 years – not even when people died. But when he was on the witness stand and realized he was cornered and about to be convicted: WATERWORKS. Inconsolable, sobbing WATERWORKS. Why? For psychopaths/narcissists it’s all about them. Nothing is worse for them than being found out to be the frauds they are and to have their true nature publicly and shamefully revealed.

    Well done today, Juan!!!!

  2. MMD
    02/28/2013 at 7:28 pm

    Yay Martinez – out of the ballpark! If JA didn’t have a migraine the other day, she sure as hell does now.

    I saw during the lunch break that JVM interviewed JA’s new male court fan who visits her in jail and fully supports her. He said that both he and JA are convinced that she will get a hung jury and that by the time the retrial takes place, if convicted, she will only end up with 6 years,

    Another male she has manipulated and they are both delusional!

    Thanks donchais and ritanita.

  3. Laine
    02/28/2013 at 7:29 pm

    It was a tense day, I wanted him to ask her about the timings on the pics and all that she says happened in the timeframe….it’s just not possible…but he never mentioned the time frame. I enjoyed watching her squirm, which I have mixed feelings about because I don’t generally like to see people hurting, but everytime I think about the pictures of Travis body and her smirking and lying I couldn’t help but enjoy her discomfort..it felt like a small victory for Travis. I so hope she gets her just rewards….Thanks donchais and ritanita! as always you have done us proud. I guess we wait for the redirect….

  4. shelia
    02/28/2013 at 7:47 pm

    is there any mention in your transcript today where jodi disrespected the judge’s stenograher? something to the effect that the stenographer got it wrong. he put a period after something that should not have a perid. can’t be precise, but that’s the jist of it.

  5. Nicole
    02/28/2013 at 8:02 pm

    Thanks for the summary! I missed the middle section of the testimony today (the flying Nun act, LOL … apt description) I liked how Juan came back to the journal entries and summarized that Jodi lied about pedophilia, abuse, and continually attempted to deflect responsibility for hurting Travis.

  6. Lisa M
    02/28/2013 at 8:32 pm

    Wow I was so impressed with JM today. I got really nervous when he kept going over and over the shaving detail in the interview with Det. Flores but he got out of it okay. Her tears were completely fake. I knew that she was trying to stretch her crying jags out and she wanted to end the day’s testimony crying but Martinez was too smart to let that happen for her. At one point she acted like she was so overcome and like she wasn’t able to continue speaking and I wondered if she was actually going to faint at one point or fake fainting. I really think she thought that she would get rescued somehow like her attorney would ask for a break or that the judge would allow her a few minutes to compose herself but when that didn’t happen she had to just continue on. Are her tears fake? Of course they are. You only have to look at the interview with Detective floors and see her sobbing over the Ninja events to see that she is able to cry on a dime. I am an extremely sympathetic, sensitive person but I can recognize a con artist when I see one and she is a consummate con artist and I have absolutely no sympathy for her at all. I did have a great deal of sympathy for Travis’ sisters who sobbed as the photos were shown I hope Jodi’s crying didn’t overshadow their real sorrow and grief. I am heartened by the fact that a couple of jury observers noted that the jurors aren’t looking at Jodi much anymore and they’re very focused on José Martinez. I think that’s a good sign. Of course there might be one who thinks that she’s sincere or remorseful but I’m pretty sure that she’ll get first-degree murder. The death penalty is another thing.

  7. GN5020
    02/28/2013 at 8:33 pm

    Yeah – Flying Nun, ha. Did anyone else notice that when she demonstrated the linebacker move, she forgot to crook her “broken finger” and she straightened out all the fingers on her left hand? Twice.

  8. kristin
    02/28/2013 at 8:35 pm

    JM did a great job bring all the pieces together today. It was pure solid gold listening to JA choke on her words. Specifically when she initially stated a friend told her to text Travis! JA was revealed as the true psychopath she is. Did anyone else get the creeps when in that email she sent Travis saying she was going to sleep in his bed while he’s away??!! I know we are well past this but I read from a commentor on Travis’s blog that the infamous Travis Alexander’s t shirt JA was pictured wearing was actually a promotional t shirt for his blog. The back states blog of being better. So altogether it says Travis Alexander’s blog of being better. Guess that’s why the defense only brought up the undies.

  9. Rache
    02/28/2013 at 8:36 pm

    Jodi knows how to put on the crying act. She did it with the detective, also. Like Laine, I don’t like to see people hurting. However, while watching Jodi, all I could feel was disdain for her. And after such an emotional outburst, she seemed to be completely composed after the jury left. It looked to me like she might have been working on a drawing while the hearing was going on. Jean Casarez said that while Jodi was demonstrating how Travis got into a linebacker pose, the jury didn’t seem to want to look at her. That gives me some hope. Jodi said several times today that she is not guilty of first degree murder…obviously wanting to get that message to the jury as often as she could. A lot of the so-called experts say Martinez is not proving first-degree…..is anyone concerned about this….could she really get away with a lesser charge? I need some answers to ease my worry. Thanks for your great recap, donchais. As always, love your side comments….humor is a good thing after watching this trial all day.

  10. Lisa M
    02/28/2013 at 8:47 pm

    I remember in the Dirk Greneider in MA case the evidence was overwhelming that he was guilty of murdering his wife but his defense attorney put him up on the stand and he was actually extremely convincing when he was crying as he spoke about his wife. To me on the stand he fit the bill as far as a grieving husband and it was such a disconnect to see him that way knowing the evidence against him. But during the cross-examination he kept saying I don’t know to the prosecutors questions so many times that it became obvious that he had to be guilty. I don’t find Jodis tears even remotely convincing the way I found his to be. And the prosecutor in his case was extremely aggressive, much more so than Juan Martinez, and yet he got the first-degree murder conviction. I was a bit worried because his demeanor was extremely angry, aggressive, even offensive, and definitely badgering, and yet it didn’t end up affecting the jury’s decision. Of course the defendant in that case is a man and Jodis a woman but he was an older man and a sympathetic character ( a prestigious doctor) But it at least it shows that aggressive prosecutors do get convictions even if the defendant is very good at playing the victim.

  11. ritanita
    02/28/2013 at 8:53 pm

    Aside from trajectory issues with Jodi’s demonstration, I think she sank herself as far as self-defense goes. AZ isn’t like Florida. If you feel you are in imminent danger, you can defend yourself to the point you are no longer in danger.

    If we take Jodi’s own version, she shot Travis and it incapacitated him to the point she could have fled. She didn’t. According to her, she went into a fog and doesn’t remember all the stab wounds she inflicted. Fact is, she could have left the wounded Travis and fled.

    One thing I know for sure, Martinez’ closing is going to be powerful. And his rendition to the jury will be far more accurate than Ms. Jodi claims to remember. Victim of domestic violence or NOT, 29 stab wounds and a shot weren’t necessary to keep her out of her perceived danger.

    Finally, before I go and unfrazzle myself, I was amazed to hear the e-mail Jodi sent to Travis. This, her phone call, text message, and other activities she did to cover up her crime all showed consciousness of guilt. Battered women who kill in self defense don’t have consciousness of guilt. They are relieved to be out of the situation.

    Have a great long weekend, everybody.

  12. JesusFreak
    02/28/2013 at 9:01 pm

    i noticed right before lunch that her finger wasn’t crooked when she was sniffing so much.

  13. CiCi's Circle
    02/28/2013 at 9:44 pm

    Well what can we say…..we think JM did a fantastic job and now we can hardly wait for his closing argument where he summarizes everything and puts all his ducks in a row for the jury!! That will be the finishing touch that the jury will take with them when they go back to deliberate. All these analysts say, “he should be connecting all the dots”, well he will when the time is right. Her crying today was only because she knew she was cornered and she couldn’t come up with anymore lies fast enough! JM continued to question her while she was crying for “herself” and made her answer his critical questions through all her drama.

    Were you crying when you killed Mr. Alexander?
    Were you crying when you stabbed Mr. Alexander?

    Bam!!

    She started out in the morning as little miss smartass with her cockiness once again, but JM took the wind out of her sails big time at the end of the day!

    Our little group was cheering big time today! When it all ended we reverted back to one of our old high school cheers for JM:

    “Thunder Thunder Thunderation
    We’re the Martinez Congregation
    We all yell with determination
    Thunder Thunder Thunderation!”

    You go JM!

  14. Lisa M
    02/28/2013 at 9:50 pm

    I meant Juan Marrinez, not Jose. Oops! This trial has me frazzled.

  15. Nicole
    02/28/2013 at 9:54 pm

    Rache, I hope Juan will get more into the 1st degree in his rebuttal case. I think he realized that he wanted to rehab Travis Alexander’s reputation on cross since the defense spent 8 days slandering the murder victim. I was glad he brought up her journal entries again and the texts and the emails … showing she enjoyed the sex, she was not abused, and there was no pedophilia incident, but that this, with great probability, was just one of her many, many lies.

    I think on his rebuttal he will begin to better connect the pre-meditation dots based on what she admitted to in cross and the evidence.

    Here is the best case for 1st degree murder (from my perspective as a non-attorney, just someone following the case):

    1. She had motive. He did not want her for a girlfriend. He did not want her on the trip to Cancun. He was moving on with his life. She did not want to let go. And then there ‘s this curious text message exchange on 5/26/08 … https://www.facebook.com/groups/349620241802244/#!/photo.php?fbid=557510940939950&set=o.349620241802244&type=1&theater

    Travis wrote: “I have never never been hurt by someone so bad … You are the worst thing to ever happen to me.” No clue why he was so angry, but something went down between them.

    2. Jodi’s grandpa’s gun reported stolen 5/28, matches caliber of shell casing found at murder scene. There is no such thing as a coincidence in homicide. She brought the gun with her to AZ. It’s obvious. She originally told the detective TA didn’t own gun. Friends corroborate.

    3. She borrowed two gas cans, and then purchased a third. If you were just trying to have a little extra gas on hand, you would not need three five-gallon cans! She needed the third can because her car held 12 gallons of gas, and two cans would get her just 10 gallons. That’s the creepy part. She purchased EXACTLY 12 gallons of gas for the gas cans! And she paid WITH CASH. (She then lied about filling up in AZ. She did NOT need to fill up on the way to Mesa. But it was getting OUT of Mesa that she used the gas cans so as to have no record of her ANYWHERE near the murder.) She was meticulous in this particular detail.

    4. She turned off her phone for around 16 hours, the amount of time she was in AZ. She knew that if her phone were on, records would show its location. Remember the Casey Anthony trial? Police knew where she was at all times based on her phone “pings” and cell towers.

    5. Before departing Pasadena, she took her license plate off the front of her car and turned the back plate upside down. In AZ, we are not required to have a front plate. So, by doing this, Jodi was attempting yet again to “blend” in … much as she did when she requested a lighter-color car. She turned the back plate upside down to prevent anyone making a note of her plate or immediately recognizing it was a California car.

    6. She dyed her hair brown in route to Travis’ house. This has not really be brought up, but some have speculated that the reddish KoolAid stains in the rental car were because she dyed her hair in the backseat … then no doubt, she got out of the car and washed it out “with the Costco water” I’m sure. This is the origination of her story about “washing the blood of her hands.” She later told Det. Flores that she couldn’t have been spotted in AZ because everyone “knew her as a blonde.”

    7. She set up an alibi in Ryan Burns. Jodi had no idea when Travis’ body might be discovered. Hence, she had to plan that road trip to see Ryan. I believe Jodi hoped Travis would not be discovered right away (notice how she asked Det. Flores when they thought the murder happened). But I think she knew that she had to have a destination, a reason for her trip, in the event he was discovered with 24 hrs, and she were still on the road. Had she known that he would not be discovered for five days, she could have just made it completely back to Yreka. But if he were discovered the next morning and she were still on the road, everyone would ask … where were you and why are you on the road back to Yreka?

    That’s the main case for pre-meditation, combined with the fact that she continually lied after the killing, denying she was ever in Arizona, then blaming the murder on intruders.

  16. 02/28/2013 at 10:20 pm

    Nicole :
    Rache, I hope Juan will get more into the 1st degree in his rebuttal case. I think he realized that he wanted to rehab Travis Alexander’s reputation on cross since the defense spent 8 days slandering the murder victim. I was glad he brought up her journal entries again and the texts and the emails … showing she enjoyed the sex, she was not abused, and there was no pedophilia incident, but that this, with great probability, was just one of her many, many lies.
    I think on his rebuttal he will begin to better connect the pre-meditation dots based on what she admitted to in cross and the evidence.
    Here is the best case for 1st degree murder (from my perspective as a non-attorney, just someone following the case):
    1. She had motive. He did not want her for a girlfriend. He did not want her on the trip to Cancun. He was moving on with his life. She did not want to let go. And then there ‘s this curious text message exchange on 5/26/08 … https://www.facebook.com/groups/349620241802244/#!/photo.php?fbid=557510940939950&set=o.349620241802244&type=1&theater
    Travis wrote: “I have never never been hurt by someone so bad … You are the worst thing to ever happen to me.” No clue why he was so angry, but something went down between them.
    2. Jodi’s grandpa’s gun reported stolen 5/28, matches caliber of shell casing found at murder scene. There is no such thing as a coincidence in homicide. She brought the gun with her to AZ. It’s obvious. She originally told the detective TA didn’t own gun. Friends corroborate.
    3. She borrowed two gas cans, and then purchased a third. If you were just trying to have a little extra gas on hand, you would not need three five-gallon cans! She needed the third can because her car held 12 gallons of gas, and two cans would get her just 10 gallons. That’s the creepy part. She purchased EXACTLY 12 gallons of gas for the gas cans! And she paid WITH CASH. (She then lied about filling up in AZ. She did NOT need to fill up on the way to Mesa. But it was getting OUT of Mesa that she used the gas cans so as to have no record of her ANYWHERE near the murder.) She was meticulous in this particular detail.
    4. She turned off her phone for around 16 hours, the amount of time she was in AZ. She knew that if her phone were on, records would show its location. Remember the Casey Anthony trial? Police knew where she was at all times based on her phone “pings” and cell towers.
    5. Before departing Pasadena, she took her license plate off the front of her car and turned the back plate upside down. In AZ, we are not required to have a front plate. So, by doing this, Jodi was attempting yet again to “blend” in … much as she did when she requested a lighter-color car. She turned the back plate upside down to prevent anyone making a note of her plate or immediately recognizing it was a California car.
    6. She dyed her hair brown in route to Travis’ house. This has not really be brought up, but some have speculated that the reddish KoolAid stains in the rental car were because she dyed her hair in the backseat … then no doubt, she got out of the car and washed it out “with the Costco water” I’m sure. This is the origination of her story about “washing the blood of her hands.” She later told Det. Flores that she couldn’t have been spotted in AZ because everyone “knew her as a blonde.”
    7. She set up an alibi in Ryan Burns. Jodi had no idea when Travis’ body might be discovered. Hence, she had to plan that road trip to see Ryan. I believe Jodi hoped Travis would not be discovered right away (notice how she asked Det. Flores when they thought the murder happened). But I think she knew that she had to have a destination, a reason for her trip, in the event he was discovered with 24 hrs, and she were still on the road. Had she known that he would not be discovered for five days, she could have just made it completely back to Yreka. But if he were discovered the next morning and she were still on the road, everyone would ask … where were you and why are you on the road back to Yreka?
    That’s the main case for pre-meditation, combined with the fact that she continually lied after the killing, denying she was ever in Arizona, then blaming the murder on intruders.

    Wow…. great summation!!

  17. Chrissie A
    02/28/2013 at 10:27 pm

    Thank you again donchais for your excellent recap of the coverage. I actually managed to watch the whole thing live today. As far as the left finger injury goes she did admit it, but I thought that she also admitted it on day 23. (Albeit being an admission to Flores during the questioning) But it was still stated in open court) Please see the clip that I grabbed:

    I am sure that xrays on that finger would show if the tendons were cut at sometime, or the finger was damaged some other way?

  18. Commerce1
    02/28/2013 at 10:33 pm

    In my opinion her intent wasn’t just to kill Travis. If she just wanted to kill him she could have slipped in, killed him, and slipped out undetected very easily. She could have avoided all the mess by simply shooting him while he slept and bailing.

    However, she is a sociopath. This murder was about punishing him for rejecting her. I believe Travis signed his death warrant the moment he published his last entry on his blog entitled “Why I Want to Marry a Gold Digger.” He made it clear what type of woman he wanted to marry and it was most definitely NOT Jodi.

    She needed him to know he was about to be killed and that it was her doing the killing. The thing about sociopaths/narcissists is that once you reject them you become their enemy. I believe she had him cornered with the gun in the shower in that last live photo of him. The look on his face is nothing like any other photo we have seen of him. He looks sad and resigned.

    It’s truly heartbreaking.

    As for her tears at the end of the day today…..those were the tears of someone who knows she is cornered and screwed! We have to remember that she can see the faces of the jury members – we cannot. What she must have seen is faces mirroring disbelief, disgust, horror, and contempt – all for her.

  19. Dramsop
    02/28/2013 at 11:37 pm

    This may have already been discussed on this blog and if so, I apologize – but it’s just a thought….How sure are they that it was a knife that Jodi Arias used on Travis Alexander? Arias was blabbering on today about Travis liking to “shave the old fashioned way” ….which made me think of a straight razor – which might have been in his bathroom?

  20. 03/01/2013 at 1:14 am

    Thanks Donchais and Ritanita. Next week I will rely on this blog for the recap because I don’t know if I can take Wurmi Squirmi Nurmi anymore as he lets Jodi set the stage. I’m confident that the things we had hoped Juan would bring up, he’s saving for closing so that things aren’t redundant. I don’t like seeing people suffer either but Jodi’s tears are so fake. I can pretty much sense when people are being sincere and as I start to tear up as well because I can sense the emotion in them but with her, I sense absolutely nothing – void. When I saw cry in her interrogation and here on the stand, my instinct is to roll my eyes and shake my head and vomit. Her cries are as fake as a $6 bill.

  21. Observer
    03/01/2013 at 1:35 am

    I think Martinez proved pre-meditation by proving:

    1- Through the testimony of the Yreka detective that a 45 mm gun, the same caliber as the gun Travis was shot with, was stolen from her grandparents house a week before Travis was killed and in Jodi’s telephone call to Flores June 10, 2008, the day after Travis body was discovered, she said that Travis didn’t own a gun and she only changed her story five years later when she decided on self defense.

    2- Jodi rented the car 90 miles away because in Yreka she would be recognized, refused a red car so it wouldn’t be stopped by Arizona law enforcement and removed one license plate and turned the other upside down so the car couldn’t be traced back to her.

    3- Through receipts Jodi filled up three gas cans in California and had no gas receipts in Arizona so there was no trail of her stopping in Mesa to kill Travis on her way to Utah to seduce Ryan Burns.

    4- Jodi’s story about Travis bringing the knife in the bathroom to cut the rope was bogus because the sleigh bed didn’t accommodate the rope scenario, police found no rope or knife that matched the murder weapon and there is no rope in the pictures.

    5- Through her conversation to Flores and her own testimony that she lured Travis to allow her to take pictures of him in the shower for a Calvin Klein like photo shoot and directed him to sit down for the last picture when she knew the roommates weren’t home.

    6- She cleaned up the murder scene and went to great lengths to make sure she wasn’t caught by dragging Ryan’s body back to the shower and washing it off,, cleaning the crime scene, getting rid of the murder weapons, deleting pictures and putting the camera in the washing machine, cleaning herself up before she got to the checkpoint, lying to Ryan Burns and her girlfriend in Utah about being in Arizona, leaving voicemail messages, texting and emailing Travis after he was dead, lying to Flores about her involvement and pretending to help, sending flowers to his grandmother, writing an 18 page letter to his family detailing how two Ninjas killed Travis and giving three media interviews after she was arrested claiming her innocence.

    Someone who killed in self defense or the heat of passion would do none of those things. She is more concerned about people thinking she would kill someone and take a bad picture than the fact that Travis lost his life and his family and friends were devastated over her destroying his life and reputation.

  22. Trial watcher
    03/01/2013 at 1:40 am

    It has come down to the end after today,and now let;s hear the word we
    all want to hear…….DEATH!! Then maybe Travis will truly rest in eternal peace

  23. Ginger
    03/01/2013 at 1:45 am

    Excellent closing!

  24. Lisa M
    03/01/2013 at 6:10 am

    Excellent points, Nicole!

  25. Rache
    03/01/2013 at 9:18 am

    Nicole, I am in agreement with the others: great summation. After reading it, I feel more confident that the jury will convict on premeditated first-degree. Thank you for your response. Also, the same to Observer. Great points made. As Deni, I will rely on this blog next week because I cannot stand listening to Nurmi….can’t really even look at him.

  26. agranny
    03/01/2013 at 9:33 am

    I really believe she used the last of her gas to burn her clothes ,shoes socks and floor mats etc. in the desert when she came out of her (couph) fog.There is no doubt in my mind she planed the whole murder and yes she wanted Travis to suffer and wanted him to know she was going to kill him. If ever let out I have no doubt either that she would kill again… If she had any remorse she would tell everyone that she lied about Travis’s character!

  27. Stacey
    03/01/2013 at 9:35 am

    I think the pictures in the shower are very telling. I think she held the gun on him while she took the pictures in the shower. The look on his face is like he knows he is about to die. Then the one from behind of his back with his hands on the shower wall is just the stance a police office would have you make if he was holding a gun on someone. She may have dropped the camera because it’s not easy to hold a gun on someone and take pictures at the same time. He may have tried to run at that point and that is when the murder happened.

  28. ritanita
    03/01/2013 at 9:38 am

    Just a heads-up, folks. Dateline will be covering the trial tonight at 8:00 EST!

  29. MMD
    03/01/2013 at 10:00 am

    Just a reminder to everyone that Dateline is 2 hours tonight on NBC and will be covering the JA trial as well as the Oscar Pistorius story. It airs 8pm/7c. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3032600/vp/50994724#50994724

    It will be interesting to see their take on what we’ve all been watching live.

  30. Observer
    03/01/2013 at 10:32 am

    I think Martinez did an excellent job of proving that even if the attack happened the way Jodi testified, she was never in any danger. She even admits Travis allowed her to get up after she claims that he body slammed her, she could have run out the door, she was alone in the closet, she chose to get the gun and escalate the situation, she could have turned right instead of left and that he was lying on his back on the floor after the gunshot. On direct, I believe she said he was on top of her wrestling with her.

    Here’s some crucial points he made about her made up story:

    1- A wrestler, football player who was in great shape as she pointed out would never have let her get up if he body slammed her and would have caught up with her if he was chasing her.

    2- The only injuries she had after she killed Travis were cuts to her fingers. If Jodi at 5 5 12 and 115 lbs. was body slammed by 5 foot 9 185 lb. Travis she would be so bruised and out of breath, she couldn’t have rolled over and run.

    3- She told Flores in 2008 that Travis never had a gun and the gun she claims Travis had was the same size as her grandfather’s stolen gun and would fit in her purse. Martinez also said, “You shot him with the gun you brought from Yreka.” It was sustained but the jury heard it.

    4- The picture of the closet taken after the body was found showed nothing was disturbed inncluding a foot stool in the middle of the floor. If Travis was chasing her through the closet and she got a gun off a top shelf, the stool would have been knocked over and shoes and clothes strewn about on the floor.

    5- The picture shows the bullet casing lying in blood so he had to have been stabbed before the bullet was shot into his head.

    6- Travis was lying on the floor after he was shot and she admitted she was the one who stabbed him and slit his throat although she claims she can’t remember the sequence of stab wounds.

    7- Most of the 29 stab wounds were in the back so he had to have had his back to her, which knocks out self defense because she could have gotten away at any time.

    8- The camera kept taking pictures of the attack and since Travis was lying on the floor with his throat slashed and her foot in one picture she had to be moving the camera so it couldn’t have been dropped before the knife attack.

    9- She would have no reason to take 20 feet of rope because it wasn’t used in the murder, so there was no rope and no reason for Travis to bring a knife in the bathroom.

    10- She was lucid enough to delete the pictures from the camera, put it in the dishwasher, take the murder weapons and throw them away, wash herself off, change her clothes, make phone calls to cover her tracks.

    11- Her stance to show how he tackled her looked more like a chair yoga pose than a linebacker and won’t fit with the forensics showing how he was shot.

  31. MMD
    03/01/2013 at 11:07 am

    ritanita :
    Just a heads-up, folks. Dateline will be covering the trial tonight at 8:00 EST!

    LOL great minds 🙂

    • shelia
      03/01/2013 at 11:17 am

      thanks for the heads up. intend to watch it.

  32. Nancy Pennington
    03/01/2013 at 11:41 am

    Seems like most of us feel some (a lot) of disgust about Wurmi so… So since I have never been in a situation like JA I don’t know the answer to these questions. When JA told him the story of self defense and things did not fit the forensics would Wurmi have told her to tell the story about the rope/knife or do you think she came up with it on her own? Same with the gun. There are many things that JM brought up like that and I wonder who’s idea the excuses were. Hope this makes sense because like so many on this sight I am afraid my brain is scrambled. I guess what I am subtly trying to ask is if anyone else thinks Wurmi is so unethical that he would tell her what to say. His website shows that he defends the worst of the worst so it would not surprise me.

  33. 03/01/2013 at 11:43 am

    To All…..Especially Donchais
    Our little group would just like to say Thank You for being our sounding board throughtout this intense drama! Being Seniors and not fully versed with this internet technology we appreciate your assistance and patience with our questions and providing links to helps us get informed. As we met this morning to take our morning walk at the beach we had time to think and discuss the impact this case has had on our own lives. We all have children in ages from 35+ and the thought that a crime of this magnitude could happen to anyone was frightening! As donchais noted in her header “sometimes, there are monsters walking amongst us” rings loud and clear to us now. As we walked and talked we noticed that our walk this morning was at a much slower pace and our tone was subdued. We didn’t speak about that monster, JA, because it brings about our anger, instead we talked about what that poor young man must have gone through and how he must have fought to save himself! We talked about how his family has suffered since the day they were told of his horrific death and now sit in silence while they must face his killer as she sits there smuggly making a mockery of the proceedings. Needless to say we were drained with emotions. We know the grief of losing a loved one but not to the extent of those who have lost someone to such horrific circumstances. Through all this we hope Travis and his loving family will finally have justice. Since the final decision will lay with the jury we can only hope that they lay out the facts as the Prosecution did and can see that based on her version of the killing vs the forensics could not be possible. From the time she left her home enroute to TA’s she knew what the outcome would be. From the staged breakin to the gas cans, the lisence plates, the silencing of her cell phone, the staged pictures in the shower, the cleanup efforts of the crime scene, and the cover up after, she is guilty of Premediated First Degree Murder!

    Thank you Donchais and Ritanita for your recaps! There were days we could not stand to watch the proceedings and your recaps cut to the chase for us to bring us up to date!

  34. 03/01/2013 at 11:47 am

    A minor correction….her version could not be possible based on the forensics found at the scene!!

  35. Nancy Pennington
    03/01/2013 at 11:47 am

    Oh, I forgot. At the risk of sounding like a smart ass like JA. Several people keep saying the gun was a 45mm and I think it was a .25 caliber . Not the same right??? I know nothing!!! about guns so correct me if I’m wrong.

  36. Observer
    03/01/2013 at 11:47 am

    Jodi couldn’t be holding a gun on Travis when the pictures of him in the shower were taken because she couldn’t hold a gun, knife and click the shutter on the camera at the same time.

    The forensic evidence shows Jodi stabbed Travis in the shower because the camera took pictures during the attack and only 1 to 2 minutes lapsed from the picture of Travis sitting in the shower and the picture of Travis lying on his back on the bathroom floor with his throat slashed and Jodi’s foot in the corner of the picture. All 29 stab wounds took place within 2 minutes.

    The ME testified that the first wound went through his back and ribs, which would have knocked him to his knees and caused blood loss. The repeated stab wounds in his back indicates that he was trying to crawl away from her and she kept stabbimg him. He also had defensive wounds from her stabbing him repeatedly in the chest.

    The ME testified that the deep knife wound through his heart or the slashing of his throat killed him.

    IMO, Jodi didn’t pull out the gun and shoot him in the head until after he was dead because the ME said his head wound didn’t bleed and the trajectory showed she was standing above him when the shot was fired.

  37. donchais
    03/01/2013 at 11:51 am

    Nancy, nothing would surprise me. We seen several defense attorneys stand up in court and out-and-out lie!

    CiCi’s Circle, you are more than welcome. You gals add a lot to the discussion!

  38. PK
    03/01/2013 at 12:15 pm

    Add JA’s younger sister, Angela, to to the list of Arias self serving slanderous/libelous scumbags even if told by Jodi to go with Jodi’s latest sequence of lies in 2011.

    December 27, 2011 – Arias’ younger sister, Angela Arias, said her sister’s statements during the “48 Hours” interview were lies and that Alexander’s death was an act of self-defense on her sister’s part during an incidence of domestic violence.

    “She was not under oath when she spoke on TV and yes, she lied,” Angela Arias wrote on Facebook after The Huffington Post sent her a request for comment. “But, it was because she was so in love with that man she did not want people to know what a monster he really was. She wanted everyone to believe that he was as amazing as they thought he was … My sister is innocent of the crime they are accusing her of … She did kill Travis but it was not in cold blood, it was not for revenge, it was because she was afraid for her life.”

  39. Observer
    03/01/2013 at 12:21 pm

    I think Jodi stabbed Travis with the knife and then shot him in the head to either make sure he was dead or make it look like two people killed him because:

    1- She is more familiar with knives than guns. She slashed Travis’s tires twice and Lisa’s once.

    2- Stabbing him with a knife when he was caught off guard and trapped in the shower would be less risky than if the gun jammed or he over powered her and took the gun away.

    3- He would know her rage, that she was the one who killed him.

    4- He would suffer more with 29 stab wounds than a gun shot to the head.

  40. Observer
    03/01/2013 at 12:31 pm

    Nancy Pennington :
    Oh, I forgot. At the risk of sounding like a smart ass like JA. Several people keep saying the gun was a 45mm and I think it was a .25 caliber . Not the same right??? I know nothing!!! about guns so correct me if I’m wrong.

    Thanks for correcting me. It is a .25 caliber. I did write 45 mm. I know nothing about guns and I get numbers wrong.

  41. Nienna
    03/01/2013 at 12:50 pm

    Not to be morbid…
    Jodi testified that she shot Travis because “he wouldn’t stop”. She said it several times but never explained what she meant when asked on direct. I think she was telling the truth. I believe that after she stabbed him 29 times and slit his throat, she drug his body back to the shower. I think that “he wouldn’t stop” twiching. He died voilently, fighting for his life. His body was in fight or flight mode and he fought, but sadly lost. His body would have had so much adrenaline in it at the time of death, I’d imagine that he’s arms, legs or what have you, would have been moving still. She probably panicked and shot him to make sure he was dead. That would put the shell casing exactly where it was found and on top of the blood pool from the stabbing. IMO

  42. Observer
    03/01/2013 at 12:52 pm

    PK :
    Add JA’s younger sister, Angela, to to the list of Arias self serving slanderous/libelous scumbags even if told by Jodi to go with Jodi’s latest sequence of lies in 2011.
    December 27, 2011 – Arias’ younger sister, Angela Arias, said her sister’s statements during the “48 Hours” interview were lies and that Alexander’s death was an act of self-defense on her sister’s part during an incidence of domestic violence.
    “She was not under oath when she spoke on TV and yes, she lied,” Angela Arias wrote on Facebook after The Huffington Post sent her a request for comment. “But, it was because she was so in love with that man she did not want people to know what a monster he really was. She wanted everyone to believe that he was as amazing as they thought he was … My sister is innocent of the crime they are accusing her of … She did kill Travis but it was not in cold blood, it was not for revenge, it was because she was afraid for her life.”

    Thanks. I hadn’t read what her sister said. This is the same sister Jodi told Travis was stupid and dumb. That shows Jodi concocted the bogus abuse excuse self defense story in 2011. Up until then she was saying “I am innocent. Two Ninjas did it.” It’s laughable that Jodi thinks anybody is going to believe her unbelievable lies on the stand because she is under oath now and wasn’t when she lied to police, media, friends, family, everybody.

  43. commerce1
    03/01/2013 at 1:12 pm

    Observer :Jodi couldn’t be holding a gun on Travis when the pictures of him in the shower were taken because she couldn’t hold a gun, knife and click the shutter on the camera at the same time.
    The forensic evidence shows Jodi stabbed Travis in the shower because the camera took pictures during the attack and only 1 to 2 minutes lapsed from the picture of Travis sitting in the shower and the picture of Travis lying on his back on the bathroom floor with his throat slashed and Jodi’s foot in the corner of the picture. All 29 stab wounds took place within 2 minutes.
    The ME testified that the first wound went through his back and ribs, which would have knocked him to his knees and caused blood loss. The repeated stab wounds in his back indicates that he was trying to crawl away from her and she kept stabbimg him. He also had defensive wounds from her stabbing him repeatedly in the chest.
    The ME testified that the deep knife wound through his heart or the slashing of his throat killed him.
    IMO, Jodi didn’t pull out the gun and shoot him in the head until after he was dead because the ME said his head wound didn’t bleed and the trajectory showed she was standing above him when the shot was fired.

    This may be in response to my earlier post that I believe that last picture of Travis looking directly into the camera was taken while she held a gun to him in the shower……

    I realize she didn’t shoot him first – but that doesn’t mean she couldn’t have held a gun on him in the shower. She may have held the gun on him to get him to turn his back to her and place his hands on the shower wall. At that point she may have even put the gun down or secured it on her person and pulled out the knife to stab him in the back. She obviously had concealed both the gun and the knife on her person when she began taking the pictures in the shower. A gun would certainly inspire more fear and compliance from Travis than her holding a knife on him.

  44. 03/01/2013 at 1:36 pm

    Oh wanted to mention……we watched the trial yesterday on “Wild About Trial” link that someone on this blog provided and it was much better than watching it on “In Session” and “HLN” with all their commercial interruptions! You”d be surprised how much you miss with those commercial interruptions. We recommend the live stream vs the TV shows. We’re going to finish watching via the live stream next week.

  45. 03/01/2013 at 1:39 pm

    Oh…..geeeeezzzzz…forgot to ask, in closing arguments who goes first defense or prosecution? Anybody know? Is there a set process?

    • donchais
      03/01/2013 at 2:39 pm

      CiCi Circle…Martinez will get a rebuttal…yippee!

  46. Observer
    03/01/2013 at 1:41 pm

    I noticed when Jodi stood up to demonstrate how Travis tackled her she looked very skinny. Her face is oval now. But in her pictures taken in 2006 to 2008 and her interviews with Flores in 2008 and TV interviews in 2008 to 2011, her face was round and she looked 10 to 20 lbs heavier, curvier and more muscular.

    Jodi testified she sexted to Travis “medical” pictures of her bare breasts taken after breast implants. I think the breast implant story was another lie to justify the pictures because from the side in court, Jodi looks flat chested. She’s been in jail for five years. Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpai is tough and wouldn’t allow a prisoner surgery to remove breast implants unless the implants leaked silicone and threatened her life. If she had surgery to remove the implants, Jodi would have said so because she is detail conscious.

    I think she deliberately lost weight for sympathy from the jury so she would look too weak and frail to have stabbed Travis to death unless she was fighting for her life. Along with the drab dark hair and glasses, a bone thin Jodi in court doesn’t look like the glamorous blonde, curvy sex pot who seduced Travis. She deliberately described Travis as a wrestler, linebacker, muscular and in shape to make it sound like he was a threat to thin, frail Jodi.

  47. Rache
    03/01/2013 at 2:00 pm

    On In-Session, a defense lawyer interviewed by Vinnie said that (next week) on re-direct, Nurmi will need to re-establish to the jury what a bad person Travis was….and Jekyll and Hyde personality…a monster…on and on. Personally, I don’t think the jury will want to sit through (additional) days of testimony, in which Travis is vilified even more. If Nurmi does indeed go down that road, I think it will backfire. Travis’ siblings must be very strong people….I really feel for them. Jodi is evil and I hope this family gets justice.

  48. PK
    03/01/2013 at 2:19 pm

    Observer :

    Nancy Pennington :
    Oh, I forgot. At the risk of sounding like a smart ass like JA. Several people keep saying the gun was a 45mm and I think it was a .25 caliber . Not the same right??? I know nothing!!! about guns so correct me if I’m wrong.

    Thanks for correcting me. It is a .25 caliber. I did write 45 mm. I know nothing about guns and I get numbers wrong.

  49. PK
    03/01/2013 at 2:26 pm

    Observer :

    Nancy Pennington :
    Oh, I forgot. At the risk of sounding like a smart ass like JA. Several people keep saying the gun was a 45mm and I think it was a .25 caliber . Not the same right??? I know nothing!!! about guns so correct me if I’m wrong.

    Thanks for correcting me. It is a .25 caliber. I did write 45 mm. I know nothing about guns and I get numbers wrong.

    Hit the wrong key above… I’m not a gun owner or enthusiast either (just had a major manufacturer as a client) but comparing a .25 caliber pistol with a .45 caliber pistol is not even like Nurmi’s favorite apples vs. oranges, but rather like comparing a BB gun to a cannon. Very different in so many ways…

  50. Bethany
    03/01/2013 at 4:21 pm

    Raxhe: A lot of the so-called experts say Martinez is not proving first-degree…..is anyone concerned about this….could she really get away with a lesser charge?

    He touched on the premeditation a little at the beginning of the cross when he was questioning Jodi about the three transactions at the gas station for the gas and the rental car as well as the gas cans from Deryl. He also mentioned the third gas can that she bought but supposedly returned. He also implicated it toward the end of his questioning when he was talking about how she was able to get out of her fog long enough to consider her lies. I think that he be more specific about those facts when he closes. That’s my opinion anyways. I could be wrong but I think he will lay it all out during his closing statement.

  51. marcie
    03/01/2013 at 4:43 pm

    IMO, the gun & closet scenario will play a huge part in the jury’s decision to convict on 1st degree premed murder. Look how PRISTINE that closet appears to be. It cannot be reconciled with JA running in, slamming door, retrieving a gun from an impossibly high shelf, then being chased out by a madman running after her. All this and the stinkin’ bench seat was never moved?? 5 years in jail and that’s the best she could come up with?
    Secondly, that Travis CALLS JODI a SOCIOPATH in text messages, pouring out his anger and hurt over her crazy and selfish ways. And 2 DAYS LATER her grandparents home is burglarized & a tiny handgun is stolen – the same rare caliber used to murder Travis, with Jodi saying he was the owner of that PARTICULAR gun.. which, of course, is nowhere to be found….. Forest for the trees, folks… I live in central Florida, and after last years travesty in Orlando – can I say how GRATEFUL I am these folks aren’t sequestered!??!

  52. Chris
    03/01/2013 at 5:10 pm

    I was reading the posts on the “Jodi Arias Support” page, and they have stated that she will be found innocent and that killing Travis was justified. Are they listening to the same trial I am? Because stabbing someone 27 times, slitting his throat and shooting him in the head, sure doesn’t sound like self defense to me. But after Casey Anthony and OJ are found not guilty anything is possible.

  53. Observer
    03/01/2013 at 5:42 pm

    The Casey Anthony and OJ jurors were the exception.

    Most jurors are smart and use common sense. These jurors get to ask questions of the witnesses. I can’t wait to see what questions they ask Jodi. They asked Lisa if Travis ever abused her, forced sex on her and if she called Jodi a stalker. They also asked Daniel Freeman if he ever saw Travis abuse Jodi or call her names. So they are looking at both sides.

    I wish we could skip Nurmi’s boriing waltz with Jodi and the rest of the defense witnesses and fast forward to Martinez’s closing statement. He will wrap the state’s case up in a little red bow and hand it to the jury.

    I predict guilty of first degree murder and the death penalty. She stabbed Travis Alexander 29 times, almost decapitated him and shot him in the head, then left a message on a dead man’s cell phone, texted and emailed a dead man, sent her murder victim’s grandmother flowers and a sympathy card, wrote his family an 18 page letter saying two Ninjas killed him and went to his memorial service, all to throw suspicion off her. Only a cold blooded killer does that. Now she is slandering his name in court and blaming him for his own murder.

    Jodi Arias doesn’t deserve to live. Three other women are on death row in Arizona. I hope she joins them soon.

  54. PK
    03/01/2013 at 5:44 pm

    Chris :
    I was reading the posts on the “Jodi Arias Support” page, and they have stated that she will be found innocent and that killing Travis was justified. Are they listening to the same trial I am? Because stabbing someone 27 times, slitting his throat and shooting him in the head, sure doesn’t sound like self defense to me. But after Casey Anthony and OJ are found not guilty anything is possible.

    After Casey Anthony and OJ it remains clear that there are jurors who don’t pay attention during the trial or seek post trial attention for whatever reasons but as regards the Jodi Arias is innocent support site, it is yet another reminder why to some, ignorance is bliss, prefrontal lobotomies continue to be performed, and some people will do anything for attention.

  55. 03/01/2013 at 6:18 pm

    Hey all…..just heard on HLN that a viewer commented on the scene where Squirmi went up to her at the morning break, you know…..when the judge called lunch break right when JM was beginning to break her…… and when he was standing there comforting her he was overheard to say, “stay with that”! HLN replayed that part on the tape and sure enough you can hear his statement to her! Sounds like she has been coached to turn on the waterworks for the jury’s sympathy! He’s so uncertain of his success that he has to count on her acting to pull her out of her mess!

  56. ritanita
    03/01/2013 at 7:12 pm

    CiCi’s Circle :
    Oh…..geeeeezzzzz…forgot to ask, in closing arguments who goes first defense or prosecution? Anybody know? Is there a set process?

    The order depends on the state. In some states, the defense goes first and then the prosecution.

    In some states, the prosecution goes first and the defense goes second. It is up to the prosecution to decide if they want to split their arguments in two (time-wise) and go first and last.

    In Arizona, IIRC, it’s prosecution, defense, prosecution. The prosecution has the burden of proof so they get the last word.

  57. commerce1
    03/01/2013 at 7:37 pm

    Chris :I was reading the posts on the “Jodi Arias Support” page, and they have stated that she will be found innocent and that killing Travis was justified. Are they listening to the same trial I am? Because stabbing someone 27 times, slitting his throat and shooting him in the head, sure doesn’t sound like self defense to me. But after Casey Anthony and OJ are found not guilty anything is possible.

    The big difference here is that she has already admitted she killed him. From there you throw in all of her lies and the fact that she stabbed him 27 times, slit his throat, and shot him in the head after driving 1000 miles to be there and covering her tracks and you can’t really compare it to OJ or Casey Anthony. Also, she’s the dummy who gave media interview interviews in advance of her trial. Not very smart, Jodi!!!!!

  58. Richie
    03/01/2013 at 8:10 pm

    Can’t the world see this girl was ALL BOUT SEX & CONTROL!!.. Travis was sitting in that shower with his eye’s open getting pissed at her. He was NOT f-ing another woman in jodi’s eyes. She planned and staged the whole thing. She discovered DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ABUSE CASE after she was caught in the photo. RED-HANDED! Learning later in time. women can get-off on murder charges by screaming …
    I was abused by my boyfriend/husband and the world will fellows her.
    ——————————————————————————————————————–
    Her story changed to fit her needs, she’s a controller. WATCH AND SEE how she plays the game. POLICE VIDEO….Sexy kitten! SHE’S PLAYING US ALL!…She’s smart
    ——————————————————————————————————————–
    Men around the world need to wake-up note that a woman can kill you and the world will feel for her, as she runs free. Man will sit on Dearthrow or Life

  59. Observer
    03/01/2013 at 8:26 pm

    Dr. Kevin Horn testified that Travis Alexander sustained three injuries that would have been “rapidly fatal” and he ultimately died from blood loss.

    Dr. Horn testified that it was likely that Alexander’s first life-threatening injury was to his heart. The knife pierced his chest cavity, the tissue surrounding his heart and a major vessel of the heart, said Dr. Horn.

    However, as Alexander bled internally and possibly even externally from the wound to his chest, he may have had a few minutes to fight off his attacker before losing consciousness and eventually dying from the wound. In fact, Dr. Horn explained that Alexander even had knife wounds on both hands that were “consistent with defensive wounds.”

    Another possibly fatal injury Dr. Horn detailed was the injury to Alexander’s neck that severed his jugular vein. Dr. Horn said the cut to Alexander’s neck went so deep it went all the way down to his spine. Dr. Horn says this wound would have caused Alexander to lose consciousness within seconds and die within minutes.

    Alexander was also shot in the head. Dr. Horn said the bullet passed through Alexander’s skull, passing through his right frontal lobe, and stopped in his left cheek. Dr. Horn said the gunshot wound could have been a fatal wound, but there is a chance that Alexander was shot in the head after he had already died, because there was a lack of hemorrhaging in the brain.

  60. Bethany
    03/01/2013 at 10:43 pm

    Dramsop :
    This may have already been discussed on this blog and if so, I apologize – but it’s just a thought….How sure are they that it was a knife that Jodi Arias used on Travis Alexander? Arias was blabbering on today about Travis liking to “shave the old fashioned way” ….which made me think of a straight razor – which might have been in his bathroom?

    I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure the prosecutor brought this up during the direct examination with the Medical Examiner during the third day of trial. I believe he stated that the stab wounds were most definitely caused by a knife, not the straight razor that Travis used for shaving…again, I am not entirely sure I could be wrong. However, I am pretty sure I remember Juan Martinez bringing this up with him during his direct examination. Here is a link to the youtube video in case you wanted to watch it http://youtu.be/1tZKYBlfkxI. It is the full showing of the trial so you would have to move to the testimony of the medical examiner.

    • donchais
      03/01/2013 at 10:52 pm

      Yup!

  61. Bethany
    03/01/2013 at 11:10 pm

    Nancy Pennington :
    Oh, I forgot. At the risk of sounding like a smart ass like JA. Several people keep saying the gun was a 45mm and I think it was a .25 caliber . Not the same right??? I know nothing!!! about guns so correct me if I’m wrong.

    If I’m correct, a .45 if much more powerful than .25. For example, many law enforcement officers and military officers would use a .45. I think when people say that Jodi used a .45 caliber that they are confused. It was most definitely a .25 caliber which is not quite as powerful. I’m pretty sure that if it were a .45 Travis would probably not have much of a head. I hope I was clear enough for you. Also, if I am incorrect I apologize as I am also, am not an expert in guns. I am only going by what little I have read on the internet through google.

  62. Bethany
    03/01/2013 at 11:28 pm

    CiCi’s Circle :
    Hey all…..just heard on HLN that a viewer commented on the scene where Squirmi went up to her at the morning break, you know…..when the judge called lunch break right when JM was beginning to break her…… and when he was standing there comforting her he was overheard to say, “stay with that”! HLN replayed that part on the tape and sure enough you can hear his statement to her! Sounds like she has been coached to turn on the waterworks for the jury’s sympathy! He’s so uncertain of his success that he has to count on her acting to pull her out of her mess!

    WOW! What a scumbag!!! That sure shows what confidence he has in him and his teams’ ability to defend Jodi. He obviously knows she is guilty and that the jury is not responding to her or connecting to her. All of the experts sitting in court watching keep saying how the jurors don’t even look at her anymore especially when she is trying to watch them as they leave for recess or at the end of the day. This clearly shows that the jurors are not responding to her with sympathy. Thanks for that info. It totally sheds some light in the mentality of her lawyers and how slimy they are.

  63. 03/01/2013 at 11:57 pm

    Unfortunately, I just heard that under Arizona Law, Martinez won’t get to re-cross after Nurmi, boo. But after Nurmi, the Jurors will get to ask Arias questions before she exits the witness stand and then that’s when the defense are expected to call in expert witnesses.

  64. kristin
    03/02/2013 at 12:02 am

    Does anyone know what the 3 other women on AZ death row crimes were? I am curious to know if they are similar or worse than JA’s crimes. I’m just afraid JA will escape the punishment she deserves.

  65. kristin
    03/02/2013 at 12:56 am

    I just realized something- has anyone seen the movie Donny Darko? I think JA has. In the movie, Patrick Swayzey’s character is a motivational speaker who is discovered to have a large cache of child porn. This is too much of a coincidence.

  66. jad
    03/02/2013 at 5:05 am

    The prosecutor has seemed to attain something that, in most celebrated cases, is unachievable. He would be able to question the defendant party, the person the State of Arizona had accused of the crime. Usually, this is not in the stars for the prosecutor because it is a constitutional Right that a person can not be forced to be a witness against himself or herself. This Right, along with others that have been spelled out, has been enshrined in the Fifth Article of the Bill of Rights of the Constitution of the United States. Correspondingly, this Right has also been upheld in each and every one of the Constitutions of the several States. Besides a fundamental Right to not be compelled to be a witness against oneself (as further guaranteed within that Fifth Article), the Sixth Article of the Bill of Rights of said federal Constitution holds a Right for the accused, among other specific Rights, to be confronted by the witnesses against the accused and to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in the favor of the accused. In the case of the State of Arizona versus Jodi Arias, the prosecutor has had to steadfastly protect all of the Constitutional Rights of the accused even while acting as the representative of the State in the prosecution of the accused, Jodi Arias.

    Jodi Arias will always have essential Rights that have been God-given (unless freely and voluntarily waived), and some of these Rights have been heralded by that document that is, without question, the Supreme Law of the Land, the federal Constitution. No Right belonging to her could be diminished merely because she has been accused of a crime, even though that crime was reprehensible, in which the life of another had been taken in a most brutal fashion. Because of these essential Rights and her constitutional Rights, she would never have had to testify to prove her innocence. The reason for this is that in a criminal case, the burden is always on the State to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused (known as the defendant party) is guilty. A reasonable doubt means that there is no other logical explanation that can be derived from the facts except that the person accused of the crime committed the crime AS CHARGED (and does not mean that no doubt WHATSOEVER exists as to the guilt of an accused, as erroneously held by some Jurors as the standard in certain cases).

    {{In the case of the State of Florida versus Casey Anthony, which was NOT a case of Jury Nullification, as some off-the-scent media hounds have tried to depict, the Jurors would explain, after being openly criticized, that it was not felt that a verdict of guilty could be reached because of the difficulty in comparing their findings to what they erroneously believed to be the definition for reasonable doubt. In contrast to the meaning of the accepted Standard Jury Instruction, what the Jurors had unwittingly accepted was another standard altogether, which was the use of beyond a shadow of a doubt [rather than beyond a reasonable doubt] to overcome the presumption that a person is innocent until proven guilty. The Jurors in that Florida case had mistakenly interpreted the standard to be used as “no doubt whatsoever could be raised”, rather than “no reasonable doubt could be raised”. There is a difference as can be seen by reading the definitions just presented, but the Jurors somehow blended both into one standard — which was not that of the Standard Jury Instruction given the Jury. Although there is some support for making beyond the shadow of a doubt the standard required for the imposition of the death penalty in a capital case, while still retaining the standard of beyond a reasonable doubt to find the accused guilty without the imposition of the death penalty, this is not the case in either the State of Florida or the State of Arizona. In a novel by Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird, Atticus Finch asserts, “The law says ‘reasonable doubt’, but I think a defendant’s entitled to the shadow of a doubt. There’s always the possibility, no matter how improbable, that he’s innocent”. Apparently, the Jurors in that Florida case got the wrong impression, when adopting that which had been declared by the character in Harper Lee’s novel.}}

    In the case being prosecuted against Jodi Arias, the Standard Jury Instruction in this capital murder case is that of beyond a reasonable doubt. This Standard does not mean that no doubt exists as to her guilt, but only that no reasonable doubt is possible from the evidence that has been presented. So, a Juror would be mistaken in his or her belief that Jodi Arias should not be found guilty if it is thought the prosecutor has not fully and completely disproved each and every single matter. This could lead to a demand that the prosecutor disprove any and all alleged assaults by Mr. Alexander claimed by Jodi Arias or each and every one of the ludicrous insinuations made by her criminal lawyers. This would be an absurdity, and to be held to a standard that is not reasonable should not be permitted to confuse the minds of the Jurors, by the criminal lawyers in the case against Jodi Arias [as it was in the Florida case against Casey Anthony]. The phrase “beyond a reasonable doubt” does not mean the issue in question is so obvious, or has been so thoroughly proven, that there can exist no doubt, but [instead] means in a manner or to a degree that could not be doubted. If the Jurors have no reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the accused, Jodi Arias, then the prosecutor has proven her guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and she should be pronounced guilty.

    If the State can not meet that burden of proof (of beyond a reasonable doubt), the accused can walk away without being penalized. In the case being prosecuted against Jodi Arias, if guilt can not be established beyond a reasonable doubt, she could be freed if a verdict of not guilty were to be reached, or she could possibly be released if there is a grant of a mistrial because a Juror has experienced some difficulty in finding COMPLETE agreement with the other Jurors in the determination of guilt (that is caused by the machinations of one of the criminal lawyers on the defense team for Jodi Arias). It only takes one confused Juror to force the hand of the State (upon the grant of a mistrial due to a hung Jury) to make a decision on whether to retry an accused, make a deal in lieu of a retrial, or cut the State’s losses and drop the case entirely. After all, it costs a small fortune to carry a Trial, such as the one against Jodi Arias, that actually is a benefit for the people [to rid the world of a dangerous psychopath] — except that to retry the accused, Jodi Arias, would be an additional burden for the taxpayers of the State.

    In these complicated times, where raising taxes to bring in much needed revenue for the State is a recognized problem, the State has taken a hit in the funding of the Courts. Certain lawyers that are most unethical and seem to have no real moral values have learned to take advantage of this Statewide problem and have found ways to manipulate and bleed the State when trying an accused to a point that the State does and has dropped serious cases against persons accused of crimes, that should not but do include the crimes of murder, rape, and pedophilia. Criminal lawyers no longer demand the people tolerate the run-of-the-mill criminal they are hired to free (at the real expense to the citizenry), but are now foisting sociopaths and psychopaths in our midst, as can be seen in the made-up defense of the Jodi Arias case where the criminal lawyers have slandered an entire family and have employed an effort to work towards the release of this psychopath back into our society, in any way that [their Oath to] their Bar Rules can be stretched.

    What has happened is that the acts and actions of criminal lawyers [owing an allegiance to their Bar] have made it possible to release persons like Jodi Arias, that, in all probability, will go on to terrorize other innocent law-abiding citizens. That is because those that are mainly criminal lawyers [and no longer pure defense counsel] worry more about the win loss column rather than the sanctity of the Law. This can be seen when watching a recap of events of the Jodi Arias case and seeing what are promoted as defense lawyers cheering on the bad conduct of the criminal lawyers in the case. These narcissists [so much like Jodi Arias] are more full of themselves than of the Law, and they speak more of accomplishments of their own in gaming the system, not for those falsely accused, but for those like Jodi Arias. They work their black magic in the name of the right to defend with any means necessary to get around a conviction even if these criminal lawyers know for a fact beforehand that their clients are indeed guilty.

    In the case the State of Arizona has brought against Jodi Arias, the prosecutor has been effective while remaining within the boundaries of the Rules of Court and the Rules of Discipline of those Rules regulating the conduct of lawyers in his profession. He has most of all respected the constitutional Rights of the accused, while, at the same time, protecting the rights of the citizens from this conniving psychopath. It is within these restrictions that the prosecutor has been working to prove guilt of A PERSON WHO HAS ACTUALLY ADMITTED HER GUILT TO THE CRIME OF MURDER. On the other hand, it appears that the criminal lawyers on the defense team, ignoring the confession of her guilt to the crime of first degree murder (because she admitted slashing, stabbing, and shooting the victim), are trying their best to get a mistrial rather than make the Jury accept their client to have been falsely accused and innocent of the crime charged. It seems to not matter to this ragtag band of lawyers who they insult, whose reputation they slander, or which group is diminished. So, as in this example of the criminal lawyers on the defense team for Jodi Arias, one can acknowledge that as the streets become unsafe and crime is on the upswing, it is not because criminal lawyers have upheld the constitutional Rights of their clients [as the prosecutor has], it is because these criminal lawyers have disrespected the Law and their Oaths to uphold the Law and have abused the constitutional Rights of the law-abiding citizenry.

  67. 03/02/2013 at 6:37 am

    Is there a way forensic scientists can enlarge/analyze the photo of TA’s eyes, as he sits in the shower to see if there is a reflection of JA standing there with a gun on him?

  68. janetlynn
    03/02/2013 at 8:18 am

    Donchais, thanks again! Love your side comments.

    I CRACKED up when JM re-inacted the “linebacker” body slam with one foot still in the shower. The movement of his arms was the best! Watch it again if you get a chance. Makes her look that much more ridiculous.

  69. Observer
    03/02/2013 at 9:15 am

    Jodi Arias made up the story about Travis Alexander being a pedophile for the sole purpose of blackmailing the prosecutor into allowing her to plead to a lesser charge (second degree murder) and get a shorter sentence (12 years.)

    In a motion Jodi wrote when she was acting as her own attorney in 2011, she said the state could not prove premeditation and she intended to introduce evidence to show Travis was a “sexual deviant” in the trial which would tarnish his reputation and embarrass his family and the community. If the state agreed to the plea, Jodi said it would spare the family and community from knowing Travis Alexander was a pedophile.

    When the plea was turned down, Jodi continued with her false charges of pedophilia although it has nothing to do with whether or not she acted in self defense or premeditated the brutal murder of Travis.

    There were no photos, pornography on his computer or pamphlets found in his house to corroberate her accusation. Her own journal, cell phone records and text messages prove she never walked in on Travis masturbating to pictures of little boys..

    Does she believe the jurors are going to let her walk because she rid the world of a predator who preys on little children?

    Martinez has done a good job of proving Jodi is a predator with the sex tape, her own testimony that she read enails and text messages of Nonny, Matt and Travis and confronted them or the girl he was seeing, the 911 call which names Jodi as the only person who would have reason to harm Travis, describing her as an ex girlfriend who had been bothering him and slashing his tires. The jury is seeing Jodi as a stalker or they wouldn’t have asked Lisa if she called Jodi Travis’s stalker. She answered yes.

  70. Observer
    03/02/2013 at 9:17 am

    Bobby, not Nonny. Email, not enail.

  71. Bethany
    03/02/2013 at 9:53 am

    Kristen: Does anyone know what the 3 other women on AZ death row crimes were?

    One is Wendi Andriano who murdered her terminally ill husband. This was a case that was prosecuted by Juan Martinez. She beat him to death with a barstool and stabbed him in the neck with a knife. He had been hit in the head 23 times and had traces of sodium azide in his system which is a toxic chemical used in airbag and as a pesticide. She had called 911 prior to committing the murder and told paramedics he had a do not resuscitate order. An hour later she called 911 again and said she had killed her husband out of self defense. Yikes! Sounds an awful lot like someone else we’ve heard of! The second one is Debra Milke. She was charged with the murder of her son. He had been shot three times in the head. He was only four years old. She had asked her friend Roger Scott to kill him. She is the first woman to be put on death row in AZ since 1932. The third woman on death row is shawna forde. She murdered Raul “junior” Flores and his daughter Brisenia who was 9 in 2009 during a home invasion. Shawna and two others entered the home to rob the family and shot and killed Raul and his daughter and wounded his wife. They claimed that they were enforcing the border controll of illegal immigrants even though Raul and his wife were natural born U.S. citizens. Shawna was a member of an anti-illegal immigrant group known as Minutemen Civil Defense Corps. She later founded a group called the Minutemen American Defense. It was alleged that she planned and ordered the murder of Raul Flores. I was able to find this information on Wikipedia after looking up women in death row on the Arizona Department of Corrections as it only states what the charges are and the sentence. It doesn’t give details of the crimes if you google these women’s names you can find the details pretty quickly. Hope this helps!

  72. Observer
    03/02/2013 at 10:05 am

    The three women on Arizona’s death row are Debra Milke, Wendi Andriano and Shawna Forde.

    Debra Milke was sentenced to death in 1990 of the contract murder of her four year old son who was shot in the head four times and buried in the desert near Phoenix. She asked her boyfriend, Jim Styles to kill her son. Both were sentenced to death.

    Wendi Andriano was sentenced to death in 2004 for stabbing and beating to death her husband who was terminally ill from cancer. Resentful of having to take care of him, she got a friend to pose as her husband to obtain an insurance policy, tried to poison him amd when he was weakened from poison and chemotherapy, hit him over the head with a bar stool 20 times and stabbed him in the neck with a 23 inch knife. She claimed self defense.

    Shawna Forde, head of the Minutemen American defense group, was sentenced to death in 2011 for orchestrating the murders of nine year old Brisenia Flores and her father Raul Junior Fores in a home invasion.

    None of these murders are any less brutal than Travis Alexander being stabbed 29 times and shot in the head. None of the other women on death row admitted to the murder.

  73. Rache
    03/02/2013 at 10:14 am

    “That is because those that are mainly criminal lawyers [and no longer pure defense counsel] worry more about the win loss column rather than the sanctity of the Law. This can be seen when watching a recap of events of the Jodi Arias case and seeing what are promoted as defense lawyers cheering on the bad conduct of the criminal lawyers in the case. These narcissists [so much like Jodi Arias] are more full of themselves than of the Law, and they speak more of accomplishments of their own in gaming the system, not for those falsely accused, but for those like Jodi Arias. They work their black magic in the name of the right to defend with any means necessary to get around a conviction even if these criminal lawyers know for a fact beforehand that their clients are indeed guilty.”

    I could not agree more. Very disturbing truths.

  74. Observer
    03/02/2013 at 11:20 am

    Here’s more on Debra Milke from murderpedia

    Debra Jean Milke

    On December 2, 1989, James Lynn Styers filed a missing child report, advising police that his roommates’s son, Christopher Milke (age 4), had disappeared during their visit to Metrocenter mall. Roger Mark Scott was present with Styers.

    On December 3, 1989, Scott admitted during a police interview that he had accompanied Styers the previous day to a desert wash in the area of 99th Avenue and Jomax Road where Styers shot and killed Christopher Milke.

    Styers agreed to provide Scott with $250 to file a social security claim. Styers believed he would receive some of Christopher’s $5,000 life insurance policy. At the conclusion of the interview, Mr. Scott led police to the desert area where they found Christopher Milke’s body.

    During a police interview, Debra Jean Milke, Christopher Milke’s mother, conceded that she had conspired with Styers to have her son killed. She indicated that it would be better to have her son die than grow up like her husband.

  75. Commerce1
    03/02/2013 at 11:25 am

    Bethany :Kristen: Does anyone know what the 3 other women on AZ death row crimes were?
    One is Wendi Andriano who murdered her terminally ill husband. This was a case that was prosecuted by Juan Martinez. She beat him to death with a barstool and stabbed him in the neck with a knife. He had been hit in the head 23 times and had traces of sodium azide in his system which is a toxic chemical used in airbag and as a pesticide. She had called 911 prior to committing the murder and told paramedics he had a do not resuscitate order. An hour later she called 911 again and said she had killed her husband out of self defense. Yikes! Sounds an awful lot like someone else we’ve heard of! The second one is Debra Milke. She was charged with the murder of her son. He had been shot three times in the head. He was only four years old. She had asked her friend Roger Scott to kill him. She is the first woman to be put on death row in AZ since 1932. The third woman on death row is shawna forde. She murdered Raul “junior” Flores and his daughter Brisenia who was 9 in 2009 during a home invasion. Shawna and two others entered the home to rob the family and shot and killed Raul and his daughter and wounded his wife. They claimed that they were enforcing the border controll of illegal immigrants even though Raul and his wife were natural born U.S. citizens. Shawna was a member of an anti-illegal immigrant group known as Minutemen Civil Defense Corps. She later founded a group called the Minutemen American Defense. It was alleged that she planned and ordered the murder of Raul Flores. I was able to find this information on Wikipedia after looking up women in death row on the Arizona Department of Corrections as it only states what the charges are and the sentence. It doesn’t give details of the crimes if you google these women’s names you can find the details pretty quickly. Hope this helps!

    A truly sickening detail of Debra Milke’s crime is that she and Roger Scott told him he was going to see Santa Clause, then Scott took him to the desert and shot him – all so she could collect a few thousand dollars of life insurance she held on him.

  76. Lisa M
    03/02/2013 at 11:32 am

    I agree with Observer that she probably wasn’t holding the gun on him during that last photo. Although his eyes do look red and his face is serious I think it was because she wanted a “soulful” look for the Calvin Klein type photos. I think his face would show more fear or anger (more extreme emotion) if she were holding a gun on him at that point. And I also agree that it would have been difficult for her to hold a gun and camera at the same time. I believe she convinced him to sit down to get a better photo of the water hitting him at a certain angle. However, having said that, I don’t know why he would agree to sit down in the shower. I would never do it! I dont think it would be a flattering angle and Id be unlikely to sit in a bathtub unless it were filled with water. But maybe a guy woukdnt have thise qualms? Idk. Maybe she took the last photo while he was standing and then let go of the camera so it was just hanging around the neck and them pointed the gun at him and ordered him to sit down. But even that seems unlikely because she would have had to stab him and hold the knife at the same time. I’m not even 100% clear if those photos of him sitting in the shower happened before she killed him or after. Can someone clarify?

  77. Lisa M
    03/02/2013 at 11:33 am

    Correction: I meant stab him and hold the gun ( not the knife) at the same time.

  78. Lisa M
    03/02/2013 at 11:41 am

    Why did Jodi change her story from stating during direct that Travis stepped out of the shower to saying during cross that he might have had one foot in/one foot out of the shower? What difference would it make either way?

    • donchais
      03/02/2013 at 11:45 am

      ’cause she can’t keep her story straight!

  79. Lisa M
    03/02/2013 at 11:44 am

    One of JM’s best quotes on Thursday was, “It’s your fog, isn’t it?” Lol

  80. Janet
    03/02/2013 at 11:58 am

    I saw the Dateline show last night about the Jodi Aries trial and was not impressed at all. I thought it was going to be better than that. To me, for 1, they portrayed Jodi to be an abused victim all her life, “which to me, looks like mostly was discipline”. She couldn’t deal with rules, and authority as a child, much less as an adult!!! For 2, they portrayed Travis as “desperate” to find a wife before his 31 birthday. Yes I know he was a “player”, (but that is no excuse for killing him) For 3, they had some friend of Jodis’ speaking pretty much for her. They showed parts of the trial, but not very well to what we know has happened so far. In my opinion, I did not care for the show at all, and it looked to me like Jodi is not portrayed as evil as we know her to be…They can scratch that show in my book! I could have done a better show than they did! Anyway, can’t wait for some of the rebuttle witnesses, and Juans’ closing arguments! Then hopefully once this is all over, the next Dateline will be on how evil she has been all her life!!! Thanks to you all again for this blog! In case I miss anything of this trial, I can be rest assured to read what was missed because donchais, and others keep us up to date every day! Such an awesome job you all have done!! I just hope this turns out like we all feel it should, and she will no longer pose a threat to society!!! For the Alexander family, my condolences to you in your loss and what you have been through with this whole thing! Kudos for you all being so strong through this! My prayers are with you always, and may justice prevail!!!

  81. Nancy Pennington
    03/02/2013 at 12:11 pm

    Why would the judge allow any mention of Travis being a pedophile (according to JA) when there was not a shred of evidence except her lies and if she told the prosecutor that she would say that if he wouldn’t take her offer of a plea but rather take her to trial?? The judge should have been made aware of her scheme. Also, I assume Travis’ family was told about this and told J M to “go nail the Bitch”

  82. Nancy Pennington
    03/02/2013 at 12:13 pm

    P.S. murdering, lying, manipulating, physco bitch.

  83. Observer
    03/02/2013 at 12:36 pm

    Lisa M :
    I agree with Observer that she probably wasn’t holding the gun on him during that last photo. Although his eyes do look red and his face is serious I think it was because she wanted a “soulful” look for the Calvin Klein type photos. I think his face would show more fear or anger (more extreme emotion) if she were holding a gun on him at that point. And I also agree that it would have been difficult for her to hold a gun and camera at the same time. I believe she convinced him to sit down to get a better photo of the water hitting him at a certain angle. I’m not even 100% clear if those photos of him sitting in the shower happened before she killed him or after. Can someone clarify?

    The photo of Travis sitting in the shower was taken right before he was stabbed to death because there was less than 2 minutes on the time stamp between that photo and the one of him lying on the floor with his throat slit from ear to ear.

    Because Travis was 5′ 9″ and weighed 185 lbs. and she was 5′ 6″ and 115 lbs. he could have overpowered her and taken away a gun or knife if he had seen it so she had to surprise him. After seeing the picture of Travis sitting down, Jodi testifying that she was kneeling in front of him taking the photo and going over the testimony of Dr. Horn who said he believed the chest wound came first, I don’t believe Travis saw the knife until she plunged it into his chest because he was looking at the camera.

    Jodi distracted him with posing so he didn’t notice her pull the knife out of her back pocket. When the knife plunged into his chest, he doubled over and fell to his knees and tried to crawl towards the bedroom for his cell phone. She stabbed him in the back and chest 27 times as he lost consciousness and blood and put up his hands to try to defend himself. She made sure he was dead by stabbing him through the heart, slitting his throat and shooting him in the head.

    My husband and I are the same approximate height and weight as Travis and Jodi and we re-enacted the scene of course without a knife and he didn’t see my hand coming towards his chest. Otherwise he could have grabbed my hand and took the imaginary knife from me.

  84. Observer
    03/02/2013 at 12:54 pm

    Or she could have stabbed him while he was looking through the lens at the photos before he had a chance to delete the photo of his bare buttocks and as she was stabbing him the camera fell and kept taking photos.

  85. Lisa M
    03/02/2013 at 1:00 pm

    How great would it be if there were no questions from the jury for Jodi? Would be a good sign that they’d already made up their minds. But if not, and if I were a juror, I’d ask these questions:
    1. If you didn’t know Travis was dead why didn’t u call 911 when your fog lifted in the desert in case he was still alive?
    2. If you didn’t know he was dead, why did you throw away the gun in the desert and make those phone calls to his cell phone?
    3. During your testimony you said you remembered putting the knife in the dishwasher and you said you remembered hearing the knife clang to the bathroom floor. But u also said that u had no memory or knowledge of the knife’s whereabouts after the killing. Which of these statements is true?
    4. On Thursday you said that you were in a fog only as pertaining to your memory, so does that means that you weren’t in a fog during the time you stabbed him, cleaned up and removed evidence after the killing?
    5. You were covering up what you did while still at the house so doesn’t that mean you knew he was dead before you left the house?
    6. At what point did you lose your memory and at what point did you regain it?

  86. Nancy Pennington
    03/02/2013 at 1:03 pm

    To: Lisa m. There is a picture of Travis sitting on the built in seat in the shower and he is very much alive. There is also a picture of him curled up on the floor of the shower which I believe was a crime scene photo. Hope this clarifies.

  87. Lisa M
    03/02/2013 at 1:15 pm

    Thank u Observer for clarifying. That’s what I thought but I just wanted to make sure. It seems to me that like you said, she distracted him by taking photo and then pulled the knife out and started stabbing. In that seated position he would have slipped down and have had trouble getting to his feet so she’d be able to continue to stab him. Finally when he managed to get on his knees and crawl out she’d begin stabbing him in he back and continue as he ran (crawled?) down the hall. Is the prosecution saying she slit his throat in the hallway or back in the bathtub after she dragged him there? And likewise with the shooting. Is it their theory that she shot him in the bathtub after she dragged him back or in the hallway before she began dragging him back? Didn’t he have to stand at some point in order for the blood to be on the bathroom sink the way it was?

  88. Lisa M
    03/02/2013 at 1:33 pm

    Never mind about my question as to where Travis was shot. Since the shell casing as found in the bathroom it was obviously that’s where he was shot.

  89. MMD
    03/02/2013 at 1:41 pm

    I just watched Dateline and interesting but frankly disappointing spin. I missed it last night because of a power outage, which thankfully didn’t happen during the cross.

    Anyway, I agree with Janet. I found that there was too much emphasis on Travis being a player and not enough emphasis on the truly psychopathic Jodi that we have watched every day, I also think it was in poor taste for NBC to throw out the charge of pedophile (with a disclaimer of no evidence) while not mentioning the fact that she only used that claim as a ploy to try and strike a deal with the DA for a lesser charge. Even though there is not a scintilla of evidence that TA was a pedophile, his or anyone’s reputation, can never be rehabilitated in the real world once that charge has been made. Some people will always wonder.

    I’m truly disappointed in Dateline and I hope that Travis’ family did not watch it. JA sadly is the gift that keeps on giving when it comes to torturing that poor family. My heart aches for them. Just watching this gave me a headache as I got more and more angry and frustrated.

    All I want is for her to fry! As I’ve said before, I’m not a fan of the death penalty but I am amazed at myself as to how much I want to see her cease to exist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • janet
      03/02/2013 at 1:52 pm

      Amen! I was wondering about anyone else’s thoughts about that show! You worded it so much better cuz I was pretty upset about it and wanted to just “get it out there!”. I too hope the family did not see it! Damn media sometimes makes me sick!

  90. MMD
    03/02/2013 at 2:04 pm

    I see that CNN is replaying Anderson Cooper 360ª Special: Sex, Lies & Audiotape: The Jodi Arias Trial tonight at 9 e/6 p for anyone who missed it as I did.

  91. SJ
    03/02/2013 at 2:12 pm

    Thanks for this trial update and insightful comments. I just tuned into this trial and catching up so, everyone here is so bright and informative.

    Has anyone working for the prosecution given what they *believe* is the sequence of this murder? I saw the blood in the sink area..so, I can’t figure out how… if she used the knife in the shower (in his heart) while he was sitting…did he manage to get to the sink to cough up blood?

    Could he have felt blood in his lungs and climbed out ..of the shower to spit it out into the sink and then tried to get away down the hall to call for help? There’s a lot of blood on a hall wall..so, do they think he was still standing up & fell against the wall? Her hand print is on the same wall I believe.

    And did the final blows of the knife to his throat happen in the bedroom entrance before she dragged him back to the shower?

    Is Jodi left or right handed?

    Whomever said she shot him to stop him from twitching …makes sense. I don’t know anything about what the behavior of a dying’s body. Anything Jodi did or does wouldn’t surprise me after what I’ve seen, read & heard about her in the last few days.

    If this jury..doesn’t find her guilty then I don’t know what to think anymore of our trial system!

    • janet
      03/02/2013 at 3:42 pm

      SJ- glad to see new eyes here! 🙂 Very good questions. Jodi is left handed, but on cross she SAYS she is “both!!” So who knows!! I believe left. I may have missed something, but to my knowledge. I haven’t heard anyone really “give a true scenerio” as to what really went down. Only guesses. To me though, like someone else mentioned, I was hoping the prosecutor would show “time frame” on the pictures taken, because they truly do not jive with her testiPHONY!! And someone would have to have figured on a scenerio of that day! But she claims to have no memory, (crock of crap!) leaving everybody not knowing what really happened in what order! Shame, shame that she is such a &$%#@ that she probably will never say, to keep her from actually taking responsibility for her actions. I’m only a blogger, nothing professional in law or anything. But common sense & morals is what I have & this is mostly why I took notice of this case. Now I’m obsessed & have to see the ending where she should fry for this!!

      • donchais
        03/02/2013 at 5:33 pm

        Janet, Martinez did show the date and time stamps on the photos in the shower and then the ceiling photo and Jodi dragging Travis body after his throat was slit. The ceiling and throat slit were sfter he was dead, the rest were his last photos while alive…the sequence and times show the entire savage killing took 1 1/2 to 2 minutes!

  92. Observer
    03/02/2013 at 2:27 pm

    Lisa M :
    Thank u Observer for clarifying. That’s what I thought but I just wanted to make sure. It seems to me that like you said, she distracted him by taking photo and then pulled the knife out and started stabbing. In that seated position he would have slipped down and have had trouble getting to his feet so she’d be able to continue to stab him. Finally when he managed to get on his knees and crawl out she’d begin stabbing him in he back and continue as he ran (crawled?) down the hall. Is the prosecution saying she slit his throat in the hallway or back in the bathtub after she dragged him there? And likewise with the shooting. Is it their theory that she shot him in the bathtub after she dragged him back or in the hallway before she began dragging him back? Didn’t he have to stand at some point in order for the blood to be on the bathroom sink the way it was?

    When he makes his closing statement, Martinez will state in detail his theory on how Jodi killed Travis based on the forensics and other evidence.

    Jodi didn’t slit Travis’s throat or shoot him in the shower because she dragged his body back to the shower after she was sure he was dead to wash him off. I have no idea how far he got before she finished him off. The last picture of him with his throat slit was somewhere else in the bathroom. I have no idea how his blood got in the sink. There would have been blood spatter all over the bathroom. Jodi may have tried to wash his blood off her at the sink because she cleaned up the blood on the floor.

    She changed her clothes and probably took a shower with his body, changed clothes and took her bloody clothes. No way would she get in her car in bloody clothes and hands because she was covering her tracks to make sure she didn’t get caught. She planned this crime in precise detail. She stopped in the desert to dump the gun, knife and bloody clothes and to call Ryan, Travis and others and drove on to Utah to a Pre-paid Legal meeting and romantic rondevous with Ryan.

  93. Observer
    03/02/2013 at 3:17 pm

    I missed Mimi Hall’s testimony so I looked up an ABC report of it and was pleased that she was able to tell the jury about Jodi’s stalking and slashing of tires.

    On Jan. 3, 2012, Marie “Mimi” Hall was the first witness to take the stand in Arias’ trial. Hall met Alexander through their Mormon church ward. Though they went on one date, there was no spark. They remained friends.

    Alexander invited Hall on one of his work retreats to Cancun, Mexico, and she agreed to go as friends. They were supposed to leave on the June 10, 2008, but when she had not heard from him in a few days, she told the court she got worried because she knew that he had a stalker — Jodi Arias.

    Hall testified that Alexander told her that he had had his tires slashed several times, had been sent threatening emails, followed on dates with other women, had his bank accounts broken into, and that Arias snuck through his doggy door and slept on his couch at night. None of these alleged incidents were reported to the police.

    On June 9, 2008, Hall said that she decided to contact Melissa Lowery and Dallin Forres, who then went to Alexander’s house, where they found his roommate home with his girlfriend.

    The roommate and one of the friends entered Alexander’s locked room while Mimi and another woman remained outside. She said that upon entering they said there was blood everywhere and then came running out saying he’s dead, he’s dead. She ran outside and called 911.

  94. JesusFreak
    03/02/2013 at 3:39 pm

    As a member of Prepaid Legal, are they furnishing her lawyer? If not, why not? Why would we, society, have to pay her lawyers big bucks?
    Travis’ family needs to sue her after this trial to make sure she does not have makeup money.
    Did Dateline cross the line on the Pedophilia angle? Family may need to sue them, too.

  95. Nicole
    03/02/2013 at 4:04 pm

    Nienna :
    Not to be morbid…
    Jodi testified that she shot Travis because “he wouldn’t stop”. She said it several times but never explained what she meant when asked on direct. I think she was telling the truth. I believe that after she stabbed him 29 times and slit his throat, she drug his body back to the shower. I think that “he wouldn’t stop” twiching. He died voilently, fighting for his life. His body was in fight or flight mode and he fought, but sadly lost. His body would have had so much adrenaline in it at the time of death, I’d imagine that he’s arms, legs or what have you, would have been moving still. She probably panicked and shot him to make sure he was dead. That would put the shell casing exactly where it was found and on top of the blood pool from the stabbing. IMO

    That makes total sense.

  96. Nicole
    03/02/2013 at 4:14 pm

    SJ :
    Thanks for this trial update and insightful comments. I just tuned into this trial and catching up so, everyone here is so bright and informative.
    Has anyone working for the prosecution given what they *believe* is the sequence of this murder? I saw the blood in the sink area..so, I can’t figure out how… if she used the knife in the shower (in his heart) while he was sitting…did he manage to get to the sink to cough up blood?
    Could he have felt blood in his lungs and climbed out ..of the shower to spit it out into the sink and then tried to get away down the hall to call for help? There’s a lot of blood on a hall wall..so, do they think he was still standing up & fell against the wall? Her hand print is on the same wall I believe.
    And did the final blows of the knife to his throat happen in the bedroom entrance before she dragged him back to the shower?
    Is Jodi left or right handed?
    Whomever said she shot him to stop him from twitching …makes sense. I don’t know anything about what the behavior of a dying’s body. Anything Jodi did or does wouldn’t surprise me after what I’ve seen, read & heard about her in the last few days.
    If this jury..doesn’t find her guilty then I don’t know what to think anymore of our trial system!

    Good questions. I, too, was wondering how he got all the way over to the sink from the shower, when the bathroom exit was closest to the shower. It makes me wonder if he actually was able to overpower Jodi and push her to the ground after that first stab to the heart. He might have stepped out of the shower as she was stabbing him (hence the defensive wounds) and pushed her to the ground where they struggled. Then he stood up by the sink (maybe to see the extent of his wounds??), spit up blood there, and then took off down the hallway to get to his phone to call for help. I picture him stumbling, maybe even crawling down the hallway, trying to get away from her. He was gravely injured at that point. He knew he couldn’t just fight with Jodi, he was gonna bleed out if he didn’t get an ambulance. He was probably screaming his head off. Then she is stabbing him in the legs/back, and finally as he gets to the threshold of the bedroom, she stabs him in the back of the head, and pulls back his head where she slits his throat, no doubt in an effort to keep him quiet. Then she drags him back … it’s relatively easy to drag somebody who is wet on wet tile. It’s like a slippery slide. He might have let out some gurgles as they entered the bathroom. Not wanting to take any chances, she pulls out the gun and finishes him off with the head shot.

    How could any human do this to another human being?

  97. janetlynn
    03/02/2013 at 4:30 pm

    I’m watching the Dateline show online right now.

    I’d be really appreciative if someone could answer this question.

    I live in Ontario, Canada. It is not a large, medium or small Mormon region. Miniscule maybe. Mormonism to me, sounds very strict and regimented. Not a bad thing, don’t get me wrong.

    I’m Anglican…don’t follow all their rules and get in trouble a bit…enough said.

    I thought the Mormon Religion was SOOOOOOOOOOOOO strict. How did Jodi Arias get baptized within 6 weeks of meeting Travis????? If Dateline is wrong on that, or I heard it wrong, please tell me how long it does take, what’s involved. I’d really appreciate it, as I’m clearly way off in my understanding.

    Thanks!

    • donchais
      03/02/2013 at 5:37 pm

      janet, depends on the bishop in that particular ward and the other Mormons vouching for her!

  98. Lisa M
    03/02/2013 at 5:00 pm

    I just looked at that last photo of Travis and the look in his eyes is disturbing. He looks concerned, worried , and confused. Maybe he really did know she was about to kill him.

  99. Bethany
    03/02/2013 at 5:51 pm

    Commerce1: A truly sickening detail of Debra Milke’s crime is that she and Roger Scott told him he was going to see Santa Clause, then Scott took him to the desert and shot him – all so she could collect a few thousand dollars of life insurance she held on him.

    Wow! My heart dropped to my stomach as I read that. That is terrible. People like don’t deserve to be parents!!! She definitely deserves the sentence that she received.

  100. CiCi's Circle
    03/02/2013 at 6:46 pm

    SJ :
    Thanks for this trial update and insightful comments. I just tuned into this trial and catching up so, everyone here is so bright and informative.
    Has anyone working for the prosecution given what they *believe* is the sequence of this murder? I saw the blood in the sink area..so, I can’t figure out how… if she used the knife in the shower (in his heart) while he was sitting…did he manage to get to the sink to cough up blood?
    Could he have felt blood in his lungs and climbed out ..of the shower to spit it out into the sink and then tried to get away down the hall to call for help? There’s a lot of blood on a hall wall..so, do they think he was still standing up & fell against the wall? Her hand print is on the same wall I believe.
    And did the final blows of the knife to his throat happen in the bedroom entrance before she dragged him back to the shower?
    Is Jodi left or right handed?
    Whomever said she shot him to stop him from twitching …makes sense. I don’t know anything about what the behavior of a dying’s body. Anything Jodi did or does wouldn’t surprise me after what I’ve seen, read & heard about her in the last few days.
    If this jury..doesn’t find her guilty then I don’t know what to think anymore of our trial system!

    We have thought through the sequence of events based on the forensics and the crime scene photos as you all have. In our opinion we believe:

    1) She struck him with the first blow while he was in the sitting position in the shower. This would be the most vulnerable position for a person his size and in a very confined space. The shower was not that spacious.
    2) Once he was hit he attempted to get up while trying to defend himself at the same time, all the while bleeding profusely from the stab to the heart. With each beat of the heart he was bleeding internally!
    3) According to the report, he had numerous cuts to the legs and feet which may be an indication he was trying to kick at her to keep her away and she stabbed at the legs as well. As he stumbled his way out of the shower and reached the sink the forensics show blood spray marks on the sink as well as large amounts of blood and a smear mark of his fingers where he tried to cling to the sink for support. At this time his back would be to her at which time she may have begun to inflict the wounds to the back.
    4) The smear on the wall according to forensics may be an indication that he was trying to make his way down the hall to the bedroom at which time he leaned against the wall trying to stay upright but his legs may have given out and he slid in a downward position to the floor. During this time she was still stabbing him in the front.
    5) It appears he made one last attempt to get to the bedroom (probably to a phone) and only made it to the edge of the tile. According to the forensics there is a large pool of blood on the carpet when it is believed that this is where the slit to the throat took place. They refer to him having bled out at this point with whatever blood was left in the body.
    6) Due to the slit to the throat and by the time she got him back to the shower he was dead already and may account for the lack of hemmorage in the brain from the bullet. After she dragged him back to the shower she took one last assault and shot him in the head to make sure he was dead. Hence no stippling at the site of the bullet entry which indicates the shot was not at close range and which accounts for the casing to land by the bathroom counter ON TOP of the blood already on the floor.

    It’s a horrible horrible picture no matter how you look at it, but one of our sons pulled up the coroner’s report and police report and it pretty much tells the whole story according to forensics.

    BUT YET…..this Psycho sits on the stand and when presented with the question by JM, “how do you explain how the casing landed on top of blood if you’re saying you shot him first…how do you explain there was blood already on the floor?!”

    HER ANSWER…..”There was no blood….the forensics are wrong”

    We all know how in this day and age Juries like DNA and Forensic evidence to clarify a crime and if this Fool thinks she can sit up there and say all the witnesses are “full of crap” and “the forensics are wrong” and the “I don’t agree with the sequence of events”, then there is truly something wrong with the mentality of this woman! A Bad Seed…..truly!! She needs to be put away before she kills again!!

    We are sure JM will take the jury through the forensics, the timing of the cameral shots, and there is no way her version fits the forensics! We also believe it was God’s hand on the shutter of that camera that took the last picture of him being dragged to the shower by that Psycho……..HE knows she had to be caught!!

    • janet
      03/02/2013 at 8:21 pm

      Great write up!!!!! Makes perfect sense to me!!! Thank you! I have only started watching the trial live stream when SHE took the stand. I did not see anything with any witness except the clip with the computer “dummy ” when Juan pretty much nailed his butt about porn sites. So I missed a bunch, but still can see right through this psycho right off! And havent missed a second since, thanks to this site!!

    • SJ
      03/02/2013 at 10:43 pm

      Thank you..my heart was beating so fast as I’m reading that account. The time on the pictures between Travis’s last picture @ 5:30 and the one where she’s dragging him is 5:32, means she did a heck of a lot of stabbing in just 2 minutes. No wonder her finger is damaged with all that thrusting..in her left hand which I just learned is her dominant hand. Jodi is a monster.

      The miracle of the 5:32 photo taken with no human actually taking it…give me chills.

      Watching her this week…Jodi is so sick and scary with all the denials. Yes, she needs life in prison ..no parole. Some people want to see her on death row.

  101. Sydney
    03/02/2013 at 9:07 pm

    Wow! Just found your blog & love all the insightful comments. There’s nothing new I can add to what your very observant trial watchers have already said other than can you IMAGINE what questions the jurors will have for Jodi once Juan’s grilling is over! Those questions alone will take a good half day for her to answer. Or conversely…..what if the jurors have absolutely NO QUESTIONS for her. That would speak volumes…..we don’t believe your BS Jodi!!

  102. Nancy Pennington
    03/02/2013 at 9:50 pm

    To Cici & friends: you guys should be sitting next to JM at the prosecution table writing his closing. Your version of events make absolute sense. Isn’t it sad that we all seem to have this horrific scenario on the brain. I personally will be glad when it is over and JA can start rotting in a cell forever!! From my mouth to God’ s (and the jury’s) ear.

  103. kristin
    03/02/2013 at 10:30 pm

    Thank you everyone for answering my question. I firmly believe JA belongs w the others on death row. As for that woman who killed her son, well that’s one of the most vile things I’ve ever read. AZ- put that hag to death already. I believe JA will only bring misery and woe to others if she is allowed to live. Make that psycho sociopath held accountable for her actions. I’m sorry, but as a mother myself, if one of my children did what JA did I wouldn’t support them in anyway what so ever. I’m not saying I would stop loving them but I believe in accountability and the greater good.

  104. Sydney
    03/02/2013 at 10:35 pm

    Please excuse the question, but do we know if Travis & Jodi EVER had regular, good old penis/vagina sex? Or did they only indulge in anal because Travis thought it was ‘less sinful’?? Travis is heard saying on Jodi’s phone-sex tape that he’d only used Vaseline or Baby Oil befor she (jodi) had introduced him to KY.

    So humor me here…. Am I naive (chalk that up to old age) that Travis found a number of women, whom I can only assume were Mormon, who were willing to have anal sex, instead of P/V sex, because it truly IS a common belief (white lie they tell themselves) that premarital anal is less of a sin? Personally, I think it’s in the same ball game as the ‘Provo Push’, just another way to bypass the ‘rules’.

    My issue is not with the acts, anal,grinding,Provo Push, but with the religious hypocrisy. If Travis’ religion hadn’t required him to deny his basic human sexual needs he wouldn’t have had to use Jodi for sex. And no, I’m not a Jodi apologist…she deserves to fry for his murder.

  105. Observer
    03/02/2013 at 10:54 pm

    Cici’s Circle, Beth Karas describes the murder of Travis similiar to how you did. She says he is stabbed in the chest in the shower several times, grabs the blade of the knife and suffers deep cuts to his hands, moves down the hallway and is hanging over the sink dripping blood into it and Jodi is behind him stabbing him between the shoulder blades and the back of the head repeatedly and he collapses against the wall in the hallway where there is a large blood smear of his back and slides to the floor and that’s when she slashes his throat and then drags him back to the bathroom and shoots him in the head to make it look like two assailants killed him.

    I also thought Jodi used both weapons to make it looks like there were two assailants. I couldn’t imagine Travis still on his feet after being stabbed 27 times before the final stab through the heart and his throat slit from ear to ear. Jodi mounted a relentless attack to make him suffer and make sure he was dead. The blood trail, autopsy and the fact that the shell casing fell on top of a pool of blood will tell the sequence of events.

    Mimi Hall said when they were checking on Travis there was a bad smell in the house, obviously from his body decomposing for five days. She also said his roommate and his girlfriend were in the house. How could they stand the smell?

    I noticed also that although Mimi Hall testified Jodi was stalking Travis, slashing his tires repeatedly, following him on dates, hacking into his bank account, crawling through his doggy door in the middle of the night, neither Nurmi or Martinez asked Jodi if she did that.

  106. Vic
    03/02/2013 at 11:11 pm

    Just curious, where was the dog while travis laid dead in the shower……and also, he supposedly got out of the shower quickly to tackle ‘her’ , did anyone shut off the shower water…if Travis had room mates, must of been a huge house if none of them could smell him decomposing….just wondering….

  107. SJ
    03/02/2013 at 11:19 pm

    I can’t figure you how to reply to someone… directly..do you use ‘quote’?

    Janet, thank you..for your welcome.

    To the person who asked if they could blow up that pic of Travis…I saw a blown up one and you can see that in his right eye..there is something different but I couldn’t make out what it was..(well, it’s Jodi we know but I had a hard time) than his left.

    Have you all read Det. Flores report? I have that link if you want it. Interesting read.

    I agree with the person who think Travis looks concerned ..in that head-shot photo. Not sure if he knew anything was up…or just aggravated at the photo shoot while he stands/sits in water.

    I also just read Travis’ blog. He writes that he is afraid of taking a bath because of something that happened in his childhood with his mother. His childhood was a living hell.

    I’m so behind on this trial and the info. but the darn thing is just too interesting to not watch it anyway!

    • janet
      03/03/2013 at 12:39 am

      SJ, on my cell I hit reply, but on a computer, I believe its quote. And u are welcome! Stick around, its going to get much better!!! I can’t break away from this either, & sure don’t want to now!

      • Anonymous
        03/03/2013 at 10:26 am

        Rache :
        I have the same question as SJ…..I clicked on Quote to reply to a comment…however, I didn’t understand how to enter anything. OK, I am old. Someone help me….thanks!!!!

        ok Rache,
        I’m trying the ‘click quote’ on you! Your comment ‘Ok, I am old…..etc. ” made me laugh.

        Let’s see if this works. There’s a lot of jibber-jabber after you click quote..so, it’s confusing.

        😉

  108. Bethany
    03/03/2013 at 12:39 am

    Cicis circle: She struck him with the first blow while he was in the sitting position in the shower. This would be the most vulnerable position for a person his size and in a very confined space. The shower was not that spacious.

    Your analyses sounds good. But if I understood the medical examiner correctly, and I could be wrong, the stab wound to the heart indicates that Travis was standing up as it was straight to the main artery to the heart. Again, I could have misunderstood this part of his testimony so forgive me if I’m wrong. However, the rest of your analyses is really good and makes sense with all the rest of the evidence. I was really curious about everything lined up with the evidence and your reasoning makes far more sense then what I was picturing in my head.

  109. Bethany
    03/03/2013 at 12:53 am

    Vic: if Travis had room mates, must of been a huge house if none of them could smell him decomposing….just wondering….

    I believe the Travis’ house was about 4,500 sq feet which is pretty big. Also, if you look at the floor plan they showed of his room in the trial which I’m sure is on the Internet if you google it, you could see that his bedroom took up the entire upstairs floor. At the time his roommates found him the door to his room was locked so the roommate had to find a key and unlock it. I’m sure that is why they didn’t smell the scent of the decomposition.

  110. 03/03/2013 at 2:45 am

    SJ :
    I can’t figure you how to reply to someone… directly..do you use ‘quote’?
    Janet, thank you..for your welcome.
    To the person who asked if they could blow up that pic of Travis…I saw a blown up one and you can see that in his right eye..there is something different but I couldn’t make out what it was..(well, it’s Jodi we know but I had a hard time) than his left.
    Have you all read Det. Flores report? I have that link if you want it. Interesting read.
    I agree with the person who think Travis looks concerned ..in that head-shot photo. Not sure if he knew anything was up…or just aggravated at the photo shoot while he stands/sits in water.
    I also just read Travis’ blog. He writes that he is afraid of taking a bath because of something that happened in his childhood with his mother. His childhood was a living hell.
    I’m so behind on this trial and the info. but the darn thing is just too interesting to not watch it anyway!

    Yes….just tap “quote” in the message you are responding to and it will pop in at the top of a blank note. You can type your response below the text.

  111. 03/03/2013 at 6:25 am

    Sydney :
    Please excuse the question, but do we know if Travis & Jodi EVER had regular, good old penis/vagina sex? Or did they only indulge in anal because Travis thought it was ‘less sinful’?? Travis is heard saying on Jodi’s phone-sex tape that he’d only used Vaseline or Baby Oil befor she (jodi) had introduced him to KY.
    So humor me here…. Am I naive (chalk that up to old age) that Travis found a number of women, whom I can only assume were Mormon, who were willing to have anal sex, instead of P/V sex, because it truly IS a common belief (white lie they tell themselves) that premarital anal is less of a sin? Personally, I think it’s in the same ball game as the ‘Provo Push’, just another way to bypass the ‘rules’.
    My issue is not with the acts, anal,grinding,Provo Push, but with the religious hypocrisy. If Travis’ religion hadn’t required him to deny his basic human sexual needs he wouldn’t have had to use Jodi for sex. And no, I’m not a Jodi apologist…she deserves to fry for his murder.

    Sydney, I’m sure they had regular sex but often they explored their sexual fantasies. I don’t think it’s fair to sort of put the blame on alleged religious hypocrisy. The Mormon religion as far as i understand it doesn’t require any of its members to deny their human sexual needs, it only states that it should be done within the boundaries of marriage and I for one see nothing wrong with that. (I’m not a Mormon, btw).

    And who is to say that if Travis wasn’t a Mormon he would not have gotten entangled with Jodi via sex regardless? The issue here is that they had a strong sexual attraction to each other, they were drawn to each other and their relationship was toxic. It had nothing to do with being a Mormon.

  112. 03/03/2013 at 6:42 am

    Carolyn :
    Is there a way forensic scientists can enlarge/analyze the photo of TA’s eyes, as he sits in the shower to see if there is a reflection of JA standing there with a gun on him?

    I for one, completely agree that that last photo of him does not look posed at all. He looks terrified and I believe at this time, she was screaming her rage at him, perhaps wielding the knife or gun at him. Of course she doesn’t shoot him at this point but I believe she was using something visually in a threatening manner to let him know how she felt and what she was going to do. I think she wanted him to know why she was going to kill him.

    If she was wielding the gun at him, it would explain why he was too afraid to make a run for it and why he stayed put — it’s just such an awkward pose and the look in his eyes is surreal. Once she knew he wasn’t going anywhere, she attacked him with the knife.

    I don’t know if it was the knife or the gun but she was threatening him with something.

  113. 03/03/2013 at 6:49 am

    Lisa M :
    I agree with Observer that she probably wasn’t holding the gun on him during that last photo. Although his eyes do look red and his face is serious I think it was because she wanted a “soulful” look for the Calvin Klein type photos. I think his face would show more fear or anger (more extreme emotion) if she were holding a gun on him at that point. And I also agree that it would have been difficult for her to hold a gun and camera at the same time.

    She could have stuck the gun in the waist of her jeans and then took the photo. All she needed was a visual of a gun to prove her point. All he needed to do was see it to know that this didn’t bode well. All I know is that that photo of him doesn’t not look like a pose. It looks awkward.

    The gun had to be on her person while she was slashing him and then dragging him back to the shower.

  114. 03/03/2013 at 7:17 am

    http://wildabouttrial.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Detective-Flores-Investigation-Report.pdf

    For those interested in the complete police report by Estoban Flores, you can read it here and it does answer the question about Napoleon the dog. When Mimi Hall went to check up on Travis just before discovering the grizzly scene, she noticed the dog running around downstairs.

    There’s also additional information on how far Jodi’s stalking went.

  115. Observer
    03/03/2013 at 8:47 am

    I re-read Dr. Horn’s autopsy report again and now I believe it is possible that the first stab wound was to the heart which would have disoriented Travis, caused him to bleed profusely and weaken him and disorient him.

    Because he was an athlete, his body was stronger than most and he was able to get on his feet and headed for the sink where he could hold on to something and then stagger down the hallway to try to get to his cell phone in the bedroom as she kept stabbing him.

    When Jodi yelled out, “He wouldn’t stop. I just wanted him to stop” I think she was referring to him struggling to live. Travis just wouldn’t die and she had to keep stabbing him over and over to stop him from getting to his cell phone.

    Jodi knew Travis was a former wrestler, that he worked out and that the only way to murder him was to lure him into the shower, get him to sit down where he was trapped and looking at the camera lens and stab him in the heart. She expected him to keel over and die after the stab to the heart.

    Yet, Travis had a strong will to live and that’s why she had to stab him 27 times and slit his throat to get him to die.

    Because she is a psychopath, she may have been perfectly calm as she stabbed him. A psychopath is calculated and cold blooded and has no fear or passion.

    This psychopath didn’t stab Travis in the heat of passion or fear for her life. Jodi Arias planned the murder of Travis Alexander in precise detail. She believed Travis was having sex with other women and that made her jealous and furious.She knew she had no future with him because she was a sexual addict, not a devoted Mormon wife that Travis wanted.

    As soon as she met Ryan Burns, another successful businessman and naive Mormon man, whom she thought would be easy to seduce, Travis had to go.

    So she stole her grandfather’s gun that fit in her purse and staged a burglary, made plans to hook up with Ryan after she killed Travis, called Daryl to borrow the gas cans, bleached her hair blonde, rented the car 90 miles away so she wouldn’t be recognized, removed one license plate and tried to remove the other but it hung upside down, made sure she had gas and food receipts for every state but Arizona, sneaked into Travis’s house at 4 am, chose a time when according to her “no one is ever there at that time,” lured him to the shower on the pretense of a photo shoot, stabbed him until he was dead, shot him in the head to make it look like a home invasion and then began the cover up to make sure she never went to prison.

    She didn’t use the gun until he was dead because she was afraid the gun might jam and he could take it away from her and she would have failed in her mission to kill.

    The psychopath thinks she is smarter than anyone else and can talk herself out of anything. That’s why she lied to his friends, talked freely to the police without a lawyer, phoned, emailed and texted a dead man, sent flowers and a sympathy card to his grandmother, wrote an 18 page letter trying to convince the family Ninjas killed him, attended his memorial servcice, gave numerous media interviews, fired her lawyers and tried to represent herself until she got in trouble for forgery and tampering with a witness and took the stand to try to convince the jury she is the victim and Travis is the predator.

    The more she talks the more ammunition she gives Martinez to shoot holes in her fabrications.

    Martinez has the last word and he will nail her on every lie she told and prove premeditation and motive.

  116. Rache
    03/03/2013 at 9:40 am

    I have the same question as SJ…..I clicked on Quote to reply to a comment…however, I didn’t understand how to enter anything. OK, I am old. Someone help me….thanks!!!!

  117. donchais
    03/03/2013 at 10:14 am

    Rache :

    I have the same question as SJ…..I clicked on Quote to reply to a comment…however, I didn’t understand how to enter anything. OK, I am old. Someone help me….thanks!!!!

    Click on quote and page down until the next blank line and just type.

  118. Anonymous
    03/03/2013 at 11:00 am

    I have a couple of questions for anyone.

    Did the computer specialist find the call to or from Travis while she was in Starbucks on her cell phone records? I’m confused if there’s proof either Jodi called Travis or Travis called Jodi about coming to Mesa before Utah. Or is it just her ‘word’ that she was invited?

    I didn’t see JM produce her cell phone records the day she was preparing to drive Mesa.

    After reading Travis’ blog about his drug addicted mentally ill mother who was frightening & abusive to him and his siblings for years; I’d have to correlate the mentally ill mother experience with the mentally ill Jodi experience and how that traumatic life experience could have played into him tolerating Jodi’s mental illness behavior more than someone from a healthier background.

  119. Rache
    03/03/2013 at 11:05 am

    Anonymous :

    Rache :
    I have the same question as SJ…..I clicked on Quote to reply to a comment…however, I didn’t understand how to enter anything. OK, I am old. Someone help me….thanks!!!!

    ok Rache,
    I’m trying the ‘click quote’ on you! Your comment ‘Ok, I am old…..etc. ” made me laugh.
    Let’s see if this works. There’s a lot of jibber-jabber after you click quote..so, it’s confusing.

    Let’s see if this works….it was the jibber-jabber confusing me. Thank you so much for your help…here goes.

  120. Rache
    03/03/2013 at 11:11 am

    Thanks again, Anonymous. I appreciate your help.

  121. Observer
    03/03/2013 at 11:36 am

    Thanks Deni for the link to Detective Flores report. I’m sure it is part of the evidence the jury has read so they will know all about Jodi stalking Travis, the slashing of his tires and the email Jodi sent to Lisa anonymously preaching about the sins of the flesh showing Jodi believed he was sleeping with all of the women he dated and was jealous and trying to scare them off.

    Another sign of premeditation was that Jodi put the doggy gate up at the bottom of the stairs to keep the dog downstairs so he wouldn’t get in the middle when she was murdering Travis. His roommate said Travis wouldn’t do that because he always let the dog roam through the house.

    Jodi wasn’t in such a fog that she remembered to lock his bedroom door so no one could enter and find his body. The roommates found the key when the cops showed up. She had the presence of mind to drag his dead body back to the shower, wash it off to remove her DNA, mop the blood off the floor, wash the bedding and camera to destroy evidence she was there.

    I found it interesting that the roommate found Travis’s ring and watch on the counter. I wonder if she intended to take it to make it look like a burglary and in her haste to get out of there before a rooommate returned and saw her in the house she forgot the ring and watch. She did remember to take the gun, knife and her bloody clothes, which she dumped in the Nevada desert.

    Jodi was careful to turn off her cell phone and used the gas from the cans in Arizona so she is not on any surveillance cameras getting gas or buying food in Arizona leaving no trace of her ever being in Mesa on June 4, 2008 when Travis was murdered. It is clear she researched and planned this murder and the coverup afterwards carefully.

    Jodi wasn’t worried about giving fingerprints and DNA because as she explained to Flores “of course my hair and fingerprints were there because I was in the house all the time.”

    She thought she had deleted all the pictures and destroyed the camera by putting it through a wash cycle so she didn’t take the camera in case it was found where she dumped it.

    She didn’t have time to clean the walls so she missed her bloody fingerprint.

  122. Anonymous
    03/03/2013 at 11:56 am

    Rache :
    Thanks again, Anonymous. I appreciate your help.

    Rache..that comment was from me, SJ..but now I’ve lost my ‘screen name (SJ) and have become anonymous! lol

    I have No idea what I did wrong. lol But I don’t want to clog up the works here by continuing to ask how to do everything.

  123. Lisa M
    03/03/2013 at 12:00 pm

    I watched Nancy Grace Mysteries last night and saw something in the testimony from Thursday (I believe it was from Thursday and not Wednesday) that I hadn’t seen or heard about. When JM mentions that Jodi didn’t sustain any injuries from the so-called body slam in the bathroom, she says she might have some bruising or something, and he says (I’m paraphrasing), “other than the injury to your left ring finger and the bruising,” and she says, yes, and admits to the left ring finger as being one of the injuries she sustained! She started to explain to the jury about possible bruising to her skull (right!) and JM kind of slipped that in there about the ring finger, and she actually agreed to it a couple of times. He had to bring it to the jury’s attention so he followed up with saying something like “And that’s the same finger injury you told Ryan you had received at work,” and at that point she caught herself and said something to the effect of that having happened at a previous time, and JM said, “Do you not remember having told us two minutes ago that you sustained this injury in the bathroom?” It was brilliant, and I hope he reminds the jury of her admission during his closing arguments. Wonder if Nurmi will address it during his redirect or just leave it alone.

  124. Lisa M
    03/03/2013 at 12:05 pm

    Observer: “She thought she had deleted all the pictures and destroyed the camera by putting it through a wash cycle so she didn’t take the camera in case it was found where she dumped it.”
    Do you think it’s also possible she didn’t take the camera because his friends all knew she was a photographer and a missing camera might point to her? I feel like, since the gun was never found, she probably could have dumped the camera somewhere– in the desert, in a dumpster– where it would never be found. If she had been really smart, she would have taken the ring, watch, and camera and tried to make it look like a burglary, HOWEVER, what kind of a burglar stabs someone 29 times? So that wouldn’t have worked.

  125. Nancy Pennington
    03/03/2013 at 12:18 pm

    My husband pointed out that if JA was so smart and knew so much about photography and cameras, why didn’t she know to remove the memory card.She knew enough to delete the photos which showed she was there but left the memory card. We can’t decide if the camera was put in the washer by accident or did she think by washing it all picture evidence would be destroyed. Also, I’m wondering if the shell casing found in the blood on the bathroom floor was tested for fingerprints. Would be nice if grandpa’s prints were on it. LOL

    • janet
      03/03/2013 at 3:15 pm

      Awesome post!! I’m wondering if the cameras she used were just film or memory cards. Maybe she used film and didn’t think about his “newer camera” had a memory stick! And the shell casing… Wow, don’t know if they checked for prints. Great observation IMO!!!

  126. Observer
    03/03/2013 at 12:21 pm

    Anonymous :
    I have a couple of questions for anyone.
    Did the computer specialist find the call to or from Travis while she was in Starbucks on her cell phone records? I’m confused if there’s proof either Jodi called Travis or Travis called Jodi about coming to Mesa before Utah. Or is it just her ‘word’ that she was invited?
    I didn’t see JM produce her cell phone records the day she was preparing to drive Mesa.

    Cell phone records don’t prove Travis knew Jodi was on her way to Mesa. If she called Travis June 4 she probably said she was in Yreka and asked a question about Pre-Paid legal. If there was an exchange of phone calls, it would be to make sure he was home and not in some other woman’s bed. She wouldn’t alert him she was coming because he may tell a friend or roommate she was on her way and she didn’t want anyone to know she had been in Arizona. If he expected her, he would be looking for her and she would have gone through the front door. She said she slipped through a side door and stood in the doorway of the office for a long time watching him on the computer with his back to her until his dog barked and ran to her and Travis turned around. Because the dog was there and she didn’t know if a roommate was home or she may have started the attack when his back was to her then. She testified that she thought his roommate was home when they were in bed asleep but not at 5:30 p.m. when she killed him. “Nobody is ever home then,” she said.

  127. Observer
    03/03/2013 at 12:43 pm

    I meant to say “If the dog wasn’t there and she knew no roommates were home, she may have killed him when his back was to her then.” Knives are quietter than guns so she used the knife first in case a roommate came home.

  128. Vic
    03/03/2013 at 12:50 pm

    This is Vic’s daughter Amy, we share an ipad. I am so glad she found this blog because it has answered so many of our questions and has stated more clearly some of our own thoughts.

    There is no doubt in my mind that Travis knew something was up in that last photo of him, looking directly into the camera. It may not have been something he saw, but it could have been a sudden feeling of dread. The expression on his face-there are no words to describe it really. It’s a very haunting photograph. You just want to jump back in time and HELP him.

    God love him.

    I hope Jodi fries. If there are demons in disguise that walk among us, she is one. Like Dr. Drew has said on his show, “She gives me the willies!”

  129. 03/03/2013 at 12:59 pm

    Anonymous :

    Rache :
    Thanks again, Anonymous. I appreciate your help.

    Rache..that comment was from me, SJ..but now I’ve lost my ‘screen name (SJ) and have become anonymous! lol
    I have No idea what I did wrong. lol But I don’t want to clog up the works here by continuing to ask how to do everything.

    Well you’re not alone! Our little group are seniors and we had a heck of a time trying to figure out how to use this blogging stuff! We clicked on “quote” once just to see what it would do and when it came up with a bunch of symbols and text we got scared because we thought we messed up the whole website!! We got off real quick! Just when we thought we had the quote figured out and used it once we noticed we lost our name, so then we realized we had to type our name back in at the bottom. Sometimes it fills our name and sometimes it doesn’t. Don’t ask us why….we don’t know….there’s nothing funnier that watching a bunch of old ladies trying to find their way through the internet! We started out using one of those I pads but one of us pushed on some record button and wound up recording ourselves!! Wow….what a joke! We seem to be OK now for the time being!!

    • donchais
      03/03/2013 at 1:19 pm

      Sometimes, WordPress gets a little wonky! The symbols and text is the message you are quoting in computer talk.

      Don’t worry, you can’t damage the site, only I can, lol!

    • janet
      03/03/2013 at 3:33 pm

      Lol! Cicis’ circle, you ladies crack me up!! You remind me of my father (RIP) I’m not senior quite yet, but I’m new to this blogging thing too, so don’t feel lonely! I like reading all these comments & seeing other brains come up with scenerios, & questions that some I have thought of, & some I haven’t. This is an awesome site & so glad I stumbled onto it! Donchais & helpers are awesome play by play reporters! You & your group are great in my opinion. I hope I have such fun with my senior friends when the time comes. As for the subject at hand, I hope Jodi smarty pants psycho habitual liar fries!!! I hope I never meet anyone like her! Good day ladies!!

  130. 03/03/2013 at 1:26 pm

    Observer :
    Thanks Deni for the link to Detective Flores report. I’m sure it is part of the evidence the jury has read so they will know all about Jodi stalking Travis, the slashing of his tires and the email Jodi sent to Lisa anonymously preaching about the sins of the flesh showing Jodi believed he was sleeping with all of the women he dated and was jealous and trying to scare them off.
    Another sign of premeditation was that Jodi put the doggy gate up at the bottom of the stairs to keep the dog downstairs so he wouldn’t get in the middle when she was murdering Travis. His roommate said Travis wouldn’t do that because he always let the dog roam through the house.
    Jodi wasn’t in such a fog that she remembered to lock his bedroom door so no one could enter and find his body. The roommates found the key when the cops showed up. She had the presence of mind to drag his dead body back to the shower, wash it off to remove her DNA, mop the blood off the floor, wash the bedding and camera to destroy evidence she was there.
    I found it interesting that the roommate found Travis’s ring and watch on the counter. I wonder if she intended to take it to make it look like a burglary and in her haste to get out of there before a rooommate returned and saw her in the house she forgot the ring and watch. She did remember to take the gun, knife and her bloody clothes, which she dumped in the Nevada desert.
    Jodi was careful to turn off her cell phone and used the gas from the cans in Arizona so she is not on any surveillance cameras getting gas or buying food in Arizona leaving no trace of her ever being in Mesa on June 4, 2008 when Travis was murdered. It is clear she researched and planned this murder and the coverup afterwards carefully.
    Jodi wasn’t worried about giving fingerprints and DNA because as she explained to Flores “of course my hair and fingerprints were there because I was in the house all the time.”
    She thought she had deleted all the pictures and destroyed the camera by putting it through a wash cycle so she didn’t take the camera in case it was found where she dumped it.
    She didn’t have time to clean the walls so she missed her bloody fingerprint.

    We found that police report to be very informative. You get pretty good insight into what was going on with JA’s behavior leading up to the murder. The interviews with the roommates and friends was very revealing! After all they had nothing to loose by being truthful. There was no hesitation on their part to be interviewed….unlike JA…who stalled indicating she thought she should speak with an attorney first until she realized this statement didn’t fit her cover up. We think everyone interested in this case should read that police report as well as the coroners report. JM blew her cover wide open!

  131. 03/03/2013 at 1:39 pm

    Lisa M :
    I watched Nancy Grace Mysteries last night and saw something in the testimony from Thursday (I believe it was from Thursday and not Wednesday) that I hadn’t seen or heard about. When JM mentions that Jodi didn’t sustain any injuries from the so-called body slam in the bathroom, she says she might have some bruising or something, and he says (I’m paraphrasing), “other than the injury to your left ring finger and the bruising,” and she says, yes, and admits to the left ring finger as being one of the injuries she sustained! She started to explain to the jury about possible bruising to her skull (right!) and JM kind of slipped that in there about the ring finger, and she actually agreed to it a couple of times. He had to bring it to the jury’s attention so he followed up with saying something like “And that’s the same finger injury you told Ryan you had received at work,” and at that point she caught herself and said something to the effect of that having happened at a previous time, and JM said, “Do you not remember having told us two minutes ago that you sustained this injury in the bathroom?” It was brilliant, and I hope he reminds the jury of her admission during his closing arguments. Wonder if Nurmi will address it during his redirect or just leave it alone.

    YES….we heard that as well…we stood up and yelled BAM!! Another one out of the ballpark! She was so busy trying to be a smartass that she forgot she is truly a DUMBASS!

  132. Observer
    03/03/2013 at 3:08 pm

    Quote of the day: “She was so busy trying to be a smartass that she forgot she is truly a DUMBASS!’ Cici’s Circle

    Amen. For a 32 year old woman who thinks she is smarter than anybody including the cops, the prosecutor and the jury, Jodi Arias tells the dumbest stories. A child could do better than that.

    She tells Flores and reporters on two national TV shows that two Ninjas burst into Travis’s house for the sole purpose of killing Travis, argue over what to do with her, she gets away from a man with a gun to her head and tackles the female with a knife and tries to pull Travis to his feet and then she escapes and doesn’t get Travis help because the Ninjas threatened her life and her family. Flores was so disgusted he said, “I don’t believe you.” I don’t know how the reporters kept a straight face or would even air such nonsense coming from the mouth of a pathological lying narcissistic psychopath.

    Then five years after she massacres her ex lover, she waltzes up to the stand, looks at the jury and tells a story of a madman enraged when she drops his camera, body slamming her and chasing her through a closet where she grabs a gun from the top shelf of a clothes closet without disturbing anything, runs out the door and into the bathroom where she turns and points the gun at him. He charges her like a linebacker and the gun accidentally goes off as he impacts her body. She says the bullet doesn’t slow him down and he threatens to kill her and is wrestling with her. On cross she says after the bullet hits him in the head he is lying to her right, threatening her and pulling on her clothes and trying to get control of her. She gets amnesia after that until she gets to the desert near Las Vegas and then she remembers everything in great detail again.

    When he asks her to demonstrate how Travis tackled her, she throws out her arms and bends over, She looked more like Big Bird than a linebacker. A linebacker leads with his shoulder and holds his arms close to his body.

    Her story defies logic and doesn’t fit the evidence which shows:

    1- The shell casing landed in blood, which means the 29 stab wounds to his belly, chest and back and the slitting of his throat came first.
    2- The trajectory of the bullet and no stippling on his skin shows Travis was shot when he was lying on the floor and Jodi stood over him.
    3- Travis was probably dead when the bullet went into his brain because there was no bleeding.
    4- He had defensive wounds on his hands which showed he fought for his life, not the other way around.
    5- Everybody who knew Travis said he was a loving, caring friend who wanted to help people. Even when Jodi ruined the engine of his mercedes, slashed his tires and stalked him, he didn’t threaten or harm her.

    I think she would have fared better if she pled guilty, told the truth and showed remorse and threw herself at the mercy of the court.

    Psychopaths refuse to take responsibility but blame everything on everyone else. Jodi is still cocky and arrogant and thinks she is going to get away with murder.

  133. Sydney
    03/03/2013 at 4:21 pm

    deni carson (@denibeni07) :

    Sydney :

    Please excuse the question, but do we know if Travis & Jodi EVER had regular, good old penis/vagina sex? Or did they only indulge in anal because Travis thought it was ‘less sinful’?? Travis is heard saying on Jodi’s phone-sex tape that he’d only used Vaseline or Baby Oil befor she (jodi) had introduced him to KY.
    So humor me here…. Am I naive (chalk that up to old age) that Travis found a number of women, whom I can only assume were Mormon, who were willing to have anal sex, instead of P/V sex, because it truly IS a common belief (white lie they tell themselves) that premarital anal is less of a sin? Personally, I think it’s in the same ball game as the ‘Provo Push’, just another way to bypass the ‘rules’.
    My issue is not with the acts, anal,grinding,Provo Push, but with the religious hypocrisy. If Travis’ religion hadn’t required him to deny his basic human sexual needs he wouldn’t have had to use Jodi for sex. And no, I’m not a Jodi apologist…she deserves to fry for his murder.

    Sydney, I’m sure they had regular sex but often they explored their sexual fantasies. I don’t think it’s fair to sort of put the blame on alleged religious hypocrisy. The Mormon religion as far as i understand it doesn’t require any of its members to deny their human sexual needs, it only states that it should be done within the boundaries of marriage and I for one see nothing wrong with that. (I’m not a Mormon, btw).

    ****And who is to say that if Travis wasn’t a Mormon he would not have gotten entangled with Jodi via sex regardless? The issue here is that they had a strong sexual attraction to each other, they were drawn to each other and their relationship was toxic. It had nothing to do with being a Mormon.

    ****Yes, the relationship was toxic…..that’s a given. However, if Travis HADN’t been a Mormon he would not have needed Jodi to satisfy his sexual needs….the very needs his good Mormon GFs were unable to fulfill. And it was this very rule against pre-marital sex that kept Travis coming back, even tho he knew Jodi was dangerous. Suffice it to say alll men are led astray by their dicks.

    And P.S….. it wasn’t ‘alleged religious hypocrisy’, it WAS exactly that. One cannot profess to be a strict follower of Mormonism, being some sort of Temple go-to-guy (i don’t remember what his actual title was) and then go on to have a secret, pre-marital sex life, forbidden by the very rules he was supposed to uphold. Travis was not the first man, nor will he be the last, to use a woman for sex. Unfortunately he hooked up with the wrong narcissist….one who was unwilling to let go of him.

  134. CiCi's Circle
    03/03/2013 at 5:08 pm

    janet :
    Lol! Cicis’ circle, you ladies crack me up!! You remind me of my father (RIP) I’m not senior quite yet, but I’m new to this blogging thing too, so don’t feel lonely! I like reading all these comments & seeing other brains come up with scenerios, & questions that some I have thought of, & some I haven’t. This is an awesome site & so glad I stumbled onto it! Donchais & helpers are awesome play by play reporters! You & your group are great in my opinion. I hope I have such fun with my senior friends when the time comes. As for the subject at hand, I hope Jodi smarty pants psycho habitual liar fries!!! I hope I never meet anyone like her! Good day ladies!!

    Thank you Janet….yea we ol gals keep ourselves laughing! There is some good to getting old and some day you’ll all enjoy it as we do!!

  135. Laine
    03/03/2013 at 5:43 pm

    I just watched this it was posted on a facebook site. It’s really interesting, they try to re-enact Jodi Arias sequence of events. They enlist the help of a Attorney that was also a former wrestler…thought you might find it interesting…

    • donchais
      03/03/2013 at 6:09 pm

      Thanks Laine…very interesting!

  136. Anonymous
    03/03/2013 at 6:34 pm

    Observer :

    Anonymous :
    I have a couple of questions for anyone.

    Observer,
    Thanks.

    I haven’t seen the whole trial. I just started when Jodi took the stand so, I just wondered IF there was any communication records for that day. I realize that it wouldn’t prove anything but that Jody called Travis or vice versa.

    I can’t remember if she ever said she was going to ‘surprise Travis’ or that he invited her to stop by Mesa on her way to Utah and would there be a phone call to help her establish that lie. Jodi told Sooooo many lies…it’s hard to keep up!

    The fact that he did have 2 roommates makes this even more unbelievable that she attacked him and either one could have come home while this attack was going on or run into her in bloody clothing or carrying bloody towels to the washer..etc.

    I thought she slit his throat because he was perhaps groaning from all the stab wounds and she was afraid of the roommates hearing him..so, she had to do something because he was almost into the bedroom.

    Did the computer specialist find the call to or from Travis while she was in Starbucks on her cell phone records? I’m confused if there’s proof either Jodi called Travis or Travis called Jodi about coming to Mesa before Utah. Or is it just her ‘word’ that she was invited?
    I didn’t see JM produce her cell phone records the day she was preparing to drive Mesa.

    Cell phone records don’t prove Travis knew Jodi was on her way to Mesa. If she called Travis June 4 she probably said she was in Yreka and asked a question about Pre-Paid legal. If there was an exchange of phone calls, it would be to make sure he was home and not in some other woman’s bed. She wouldn’t alert him she was coming because he may tell a friend or roommate she was on her way and she didn’t want anyone to know she had been in Arizona. If he expected her, he would be looking for her and she would have gone through the front door. She said she slipped through a side door and stood in the doorway of the office for a long time watching him on the computer with his back to her until his dog barked and ran to her and Travis turned around. Because the dog was there and she didn’t know if a roommate was home or she may have started the attack when his back was to her then. She testified that she thought his roommate was home when they were in bed asleep but not at 5:30 p.m. when she killed him. “Nobody is ever home then,” she said.

  137. Chrissie A
    03/03/2013 at 6:43 pm

    deni carson (@denibeni07) :
    http://wildabouttrial.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Detective-Flores-Investigation-Report.pdf
    For those interested in the complete police report by Estoban Flores, you can read it here and it does answer the question about Napoleon the dog. When Mimi Hall went to check up on Travis just before discovering the grizzly scene, she noticed the dog running around downstairs.
    There’s also additional information on how far Jodi’s stalking went.

    Thanks so much for this link, very informative! I listened to day 1 yesterday for the first time, I could only find the audio version (kudos to eonblue3 : http://youtu.be/Ip7EN8uoD-Q) I found this more intense than many other parts of the trial – especially at the end when the police officer, (who was one of the first on the scene with the paramedics) took the stand. I was totally aghast and it really hit home to me the savage enormity of this crime, to the point that I actually had trouble sleeping last night. I cannot comprehend this violent act and hope that the jurors remember this part of the testimony. I also found Nurmi’s cross of Maria Hall to be borderline flirtatious, I’m kind of glad I didn’t have that visual. 🙂

  138. Anonymous
    03/03/2013 at 6:57 pm

    Nicole :

    SJ :
    Thanks for this trial update and insightful comments. I just tuned into this trial and catching
    up so, everyone here is so bright and informative.
    Has anyone working for the prosecution given what they *believe* is the sequence of this murder? I saw the blood in the sink area..so, I can’t figure out how… if she used the knife in the shower (in his heart) while he was sitting…did he manage to get to the sink to cough up blood?
    Could he have felt blood in his lungs and climbed out ..of the shower to spit it out into the sink and then tried to get away down the hall to call for help? There’s a lot of blood on a hall wall..so, do they think he was still standing up & fell against the wall? Her hand print is on the same wall I believe.
    And did the final blows of the knife to his throat happen in the bedroom entrance before she dragged him back to the shower?
    Is Jodi left or right handed?
    Whomever said she shot him to stop him from twitching …makes sense. I don’t know anything about what the behavior of a dying’s body. Anything Jodi did or does wouldn’t surprise me after what I’ve seen, read & heard about her in the last few days.
    If this jury..doesn’t find her guilty then I don’t know what to think anymore of our trial system!

    Good questions. I, too, was wondering how he got all the way over to the sink from the shower, when the bathroom exit was closest to the shower. It makes me wonder if he actually was able to overpower Jodi and push her to the ground after that first stab to the heart. He might have stepped out of the shower as she was stabbing him (hence the defensive wounds) and pushed her to the ground where they struggled. Then he stood up by the sink (maybe to see the extent of his wounds??), spit up blood there, and then took off down the hallway to get to his phone to call for help. I picture him stumbling, maybe even crawling down the hallway, trying to get away from her. He was gravely injured at that point. He knew he couldn’t just fight with Jodi, he was gonna bleed out if he didn’t get an ambulance. He was probably screaming his head off. Then she is stabbing him in the legs/back, and finally as he gets to the threshold of the bedroom, she stabs him in the back of the head, and pulls back his head where she slits his throat, no doubt in an effort to keep him quiet. Then she drags him back … it’s relatively easy to drag somebody who is wet on wet tile. It’s like a slippery slide. He might have let out some gurgles as they entered the bathroom. Not wanting to take any chances, she pulls out the gun and finishes him off with the head shot.
    How could any human do this to another human being?

    Nicole,
    Yes,…your outline of the events is a good one and so many,many people want to know the sequence of this murder. I too struggle with how anyone could do this to someone they supposedly loved at one time and we all know….. she was not a battered woman.

    Jodi psychologically…was most likely already damaged when she met Travis but once she became obsessed with him, the rejection turned her into a killer.

    I also thought she slit his throat to keep him quiet. He may have started yelling for help and he had 2 roommates.

  139. Anonymous
    03/03/2013 at 7:07 pm

    CiCi’s Circle :

    Anonymous :

    Rache :
    Thanks again, Anonymous. I appreciate your help.

    Rache..that comment was from me, SJ..but now I’ve lost my ‘screen name (SJ) and have become anonymous! lol
    I have No idea what I did wrong. lol But I don’t want to clog up the works here by continuing to ask how to do everything.

    Well you’re not alone! Our little group are seniors and we had a heck of a time trying to figure out how to use this blogging stuff! We clicked on “quote” once just to see what it would do and when it came up with a bunch of symbols and text we got scared because we thought we messed up the whole website!! We got off real quick! Just when we thought we had the quote figured out and used it once we noticed we lost our name, so then we realized we had to type our name back in at the bottom. Sometimes it fills our name and sometimes it doesn’t. Don’t ask us why….we don’t know….there’s nothing funnier that watching a bunch of old ladies trying to find their way through the internet! We started out using one of those I pads but one of us pushed on some record button and wound up recording ourselves!! Wow….what a joke! We seem to be OK now for the time being!!

    CiCi’,
    That’s so funny and I did exactly what you described both times. I’ll be 62 in April so, I’m a senior and I’ve been active on messages boards but not a blog like this– in this format.

  140. Chrissie A
    03/03/2013 at 7:22 pm

    Laine :
    I just watched this it was posted on a facebook site. It’s really interesting, they try to re-enact Jodi Arias sequence of events. They enlist the help of a Attorney that was also a former wrestler…thought you might find it interesting…

    Thanks Laine! JA’s sequence of events does not make sense, this is a great visual of how she is fabricating the timeline.

  141. Observer
    03/03/2013 at 7:58 pm

    Anonymous, Martinez didn’t bring up the cell phone records so I don’t know if there were any calls between them that day. Jodi testified Travis found out she was going to Utah and called her and convinced her to stop in Mesa. I believe that is a lie because his roommates said he caught her hacking into his Facebook a few days before he was killed and told her it was over. I’m sure he was shocked and maybe even scared when he saw her in his house.

    Nurmi asked Jodi if his roommates were home on June 4, 2008 and she said one roommate was there when they were sleeping but “nobody is ever home” at 5:30 p.m. when the killing occurred. I believe that was the truth.

    The slitting of the throat from ear to ear would have killed him. He was stabbed 28 times before his throat was slit so he would have been yelling and pleading for his life for two minutes as she stabbed him. She slit his throat to kill him.

    Jodi never would have been able to kill Travis if the roommates were home. I believe she knew the roommates schedule and packed her belongings in her car and then waited around to kill him when she knew no one was home or coming home. His dog would have barked as soon as the stabbing started because he was confined downstairs and the roommate said he always had the run of the house.

    • SJ
      03/04/2013 at 9:32 am

      Observer :
      Anonymous, Martinez didn’t bring up the cell phone records so I don’t know if there were any calls between them that day. Jodi testified Travis found out she was going to Utah and
      called her and convinced her to stop in Mesa. I believe that is a lie because his roommates said he caught her hacking into his Facebook a few days before he was killed and told her it was over. I’m sure he was shocked and maybe even scared when he saw her in his house.
      Nurmi asked Jodi if his roommates were home on June 4, 2008 and she said one roommate was there when they were sleeping but “nobody is ever home” at 5:30 p.m. when the killing occurred. I believe that was the truth.
      The slitting of the throat from ear to ear would have killed him. He was stabbed 28 times before his throat was slit so he would have been yelling and pleading for his life for two minutes as she stabbed him. She slit his throat to kill him.
      Jodi never would have been able to kill Travis if the roommates were home. I believe she knew the roommates schedule and packed her belongings in her car and then waited around to kill him when she knew no one was home or coming home. His dog would have barked as soon as the stabbing started because he was confined downstairs and the roommate said he always had the run of the house.

      Thanks Observer..for all your patience in answering my questions.

      I guess I need to read the book (someone will write) to get all these minute details since I’ve missed so much of the trial. Looks like someone named Jad…IS writing a book and what looks like a chapter is posted here so, Jad is off to a good start.

      I hope Jad continues and I can read more details. I came too late to this trial watch party and am left with so many questions. Word of this trial keeps captivating the attention of people as it rolls along and so many of us are dropping in now and hungry for details. As they say, “The Devil is in the Details”. 😉 Thanks again.

  142. Anonymous
    03/03/2013 at 8:57 pm

    Rache :
    Nicole, I am in agreement with the others: great summation. After reading it, I feel more confident that the jury will convict on premeditated first-degree. Thank you for your response. Also, the same to Observer. Great points made. As Deni, I will rely on this blog next week because I cannot stand listening to Nurmi….can’t really even look at him.

    Yes, Observer made good additional points about cleaning up the scene and her behavior after the murder. That speaks to consciousness of guilt, which I believe can be taken into the premeditation factor. Correct me if I’m wrong.

  143. Observer
    03/03/2013 at 11:40 pm

    My husband offered a male point of view. He said he didn’t believe a man who was stabbed 27 times would necessarily yell for help. He believes Travis would have been more concerned about fighting for his life. By the time she slit his throat, Travis probably was unconscious. The stab wound to the heart would have also killed him.

  144. 03/04/2013 at 1:01 am

    Sydney :

    deni carson (@denibeni07) :

    Sydney :

    ****Yes, the relationship was toxic…..that’s a given. However, if Travis HADN’t been a Mormon he would not have needed Jodi to satisfy his sexual needs….the very needs his good Mormon GFs were unable to fulfill. And it was this very rule against pre-marital sex that kept Travis coming back, even tho he knew Jodi was dangerous. Suffice it to say alll men are led astray by their dicks.
    And P.S….. it wasn’t ‘alleged religious hypocrisy’, it WAS exactly that. One cannot profess to be a strict follower of Mormonism, being some sort of Temple go-to-guy (i don’t remember what his actual title was) and then go on to have a secret, pre-marital sex life, forbidden by the very rules he was supposed to uphold. Travis was not the first man, nor will he be the last, to use a woman for sex. Unfortunately he hooked up with the wrong narcissist….one who was unwilling to let go of him.

    You said:

    >
    If Travis not been a Mormon, he would not have needed Jodi to satisfy his sexual needs…the very needs his good Mormon GFs were unable to fullfull…
    >

    If Travis had not been a Mormon, he would have still been PHYSICALLY ATTRACTED to Jodi. Being a Mormon has nothing to do with the laws of attraction. He zeroed in on her the moment he saw her. And if he had not been a Mormon, they still would have entered into this toxic relationship because they were physically attracted to each other. Therefore, his being a Mormon has nothing to do with it.

    You said:

    I disagree. It’s not the rule against pre-marital sex that kept Travis coming back, it was the PHYSICAL ATTRACTION that kept him coming back.

    You said:

    <
    Suffice it to say alll men are led astray by their dicks.
    <

    For some or most men, I agree with this. Therefore it has nothing to do with being Mormon OR the rules against pre-marital sex that kept Travis coming back but everything to do wtih the fact that he is a MAN and has a PENIS.

    You said:

    <
    And P.S….. it wasn’t ‘alleged religious hypocrisy’, it WAS exactly that. One cannot profess to be a strict follower of Mormonism, being some sort of Temple go-to-guy (i don’t remember what his actual title was) and then go on to have a secret, pre-marital sex life, forbidden by the very rules he was supposed to uphold. Travis was not the first man, nor will he be the last, to use a woman for sex. , he hooked up with the wrong narcissist….one who was unwilling to let go of him.
    <

    No, I think "alleged religious hypocricy" is accurate, that's your term and I don't think Mormons think of themselves that way. I think even Mormons understand that how difficult this code of conduct is and I for one, don't think that they expect their followers are superhuman where they can maintain such a high standard. I'm sure that maybe they provide checkpoints where individual member or groups help each other maintain this standard and i'm sure people do fall astray it's normal.

    But there are a few Mormons that post on this site and although I don't run this forum, I don't think it's helpful to get into a debate regarding religion and "blaming the Mormons" as it's disrespectful. I hope I'm not sounding snarky or anything but I think we should keep it to the case at hand and leave religion out of it.

  145. Laine
    03/04/2013 at 5:23 am

    Hi Chrissie – I agree it was really good to hjave a visual of what she is porporting took place. I also found the information David Otunga relayed really useful. I never knew that a “body slam” in wrestling terms meant that the person was actually lifted and slammed down in the opposite direction, which makes her version completely shot out of the water! How are her defence going to counter that I wonder….and the time scale definately makes it impossible along with the trajectory of the bullet…really intersting!

  146. jad
    03/04/2013 at 6:57 am

    What Detective Esteban Flores was listening to in the interviews of the friends and associates of Travis Alexander was that message that he recognized from his own travels that, at times, had taken him off the narrow corridor of the beaten path. He was a capable man who had the ability to do what he had to against diabolical rationale because he had been saved and had continued to walk the right path. His own inner turmoil had propelled him into the occupation he would use to assist others. He did not know that then, when he was undergoing a transformation from an individual with no calling to one secure with whom he had become. However, the life’s lessons had prepared him for this date with the mischievous forces of this case. Going into the case, he had an understanding (from the evidence that had been gathered) that whoever took the life of Travis Alexander was a person who did not want Travis to succeed in his life’s calling and would also be close enough to him to be able to put stumbling blocks in his pathway to prevent him from achieving his desires — without Travis having an inkling about what was happening.

    The Detective had to ferret out exactly who the evil would be associated with, that he knew from his own journey full of life experiences was embedded somewhere in the group of fresh-faced Mormons and those loving people not of the faith who were also attached to Travis Alexander because of who he was — not as an Executive Director of a multi-level marketing company or an aspiring novelist who had the potential to make money hand over fist, but the individual with a dream who motivated others to live their own dreams. Although he felt the crime was financially motivated, he would realize that the financial arrangement of the person [or persons] he sought that had an affiliation with Travis Alexander would not have prominence in the investigation of the brutal, very sadistic murder of the victim. He did not know when he walked onto the property what lay ahead of him. However, he knew, once he examined the crime scene that the perpetrator [or perpetrators], the person [or persons] who had slaughtered Travis Alexander, was [or were] not typical, but unparalleled in that final act taken to snuff out his life.

    He was a well-seasoned Detective. He had been to crime scenes and had even lead investigations into deaths that were by no means of an average nature. However, even taking into account the investigation of a brutal slaying of a man by his sociopathic wife, this crime surpassed all in its hyper-charged ferocity and depraved excesses. The Detective noticed the severity of the crime and the brutality that had been present in that room when initially viewing the body and examining the bloody crime scene. Later, he would find out that what he believed to have happened did occur [although he had mistakenly put the series of events in the death of his victim in an improper order, which is understandable since he is not a doctor or the Medical Examiner].

    The large amount of blood at the crime scene, throughout the bathroom and on an entryway piece of carpeting leading into the bedroom area, indicated there had been a struggle whereupon the victim was attempting to flee his attacker. There was blood spatter throughout, including the door jamb leading into the toilet area, the bottom of the toilet, the window blinds, the sink and the mirror over the sink. The blood spatter extended from very low on the walls to over six feet up. There were large, thick puddles of dried blood all over the floor. There was a large amount of blood on the tile floor that ran the entire length of both walls. However, in the hallway connecting the bedroom to the bathroom, with blood on the baseboards and both sides, there was an empty space (where there was little to no blood) running down the middle of the tile floor. Additionally, some of the blood appeared to have been deluded with water — as though water had purposely been spilled upon the blood. The wound to the center of the chest of the victim and the major, gaping wound to the neck had blood flow that was traveling in one single direction, consistent with the position the body was in while positioned in the shower. These two major wounds were made that much more visible because they were still seeping bodily fluids. Moreover, whoever was responsible had taken the time to wash the body after the death. The Detective noticed this when examining the wounds to the body (without moving the body) and seeing the wounds to the torso and hands had no blood flow. This cleansing [ritual] had been done with the help of a clear plastic cup. Somehow, this plastic cup remained almost pristine, with very little blood on it.

    Detective Flores would find out from the Medical Examiner that his victim had been stabbed eleven times in the upper back between the shoulder blades, stabbed multiple times in the chest and frontal area while able to look at his killer [or killers], stabbed three times in his abdomen, and stabbed twice in the back of the head, as well as had his throat sliced from ear to ear in which the slash was so severe that the victim’s head was almost cut off [with that one hacking attack], and the coup de grace (if he had survived a fatal stab wound to the heart that punctured his superior vena cava and a fatal slicing of his right carotid artery when his throat was slashed) was in the shot through the head from a .25 caliber bullet, fired into the temple above his right eye.

    There were other injuries and trauma to the body of the deceased that the Medical Examiner addressed. The deceased had struggled with his attacker. He had defensive wounds on both of his hands. His right thumb had a laceration, and his left hand had four lacerations from fighting back against his attacker. Dr. Kevin Horn, the Medical Examiner, found the lacerations and puncture wounds were inflicted by a single-edged weapon that was at least five inches in length. There were several lacerations on the bottoms of his feet (which also accompanied unexplained contusions along the victim’s legs). Additionally, because the doctor found no traces of stippling, gunshot residue, or soot around the gunshot wound, he could determine there to be at least two to three feet of distance between the victim and the person who pulled the trigger. It could have been more of a distance, but it could not have been less.

    Detective Flores followed up on the lead into Jodi Arias. During the interview of one of Travis’ roommates, Zachary Billings, he learned about the nature of the relationship between Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander. Since Mr. Billings had moved into the residence January 29, 2008, most of his knowledge would have been considered hearsay evidence. It was definitely not first hand knowledge. Either Travis or another could have told Mr. Billings about the certain incidents that he had related to the Detective. Regardless, the incidents were of such an insidious character that Detective Esteban almost immediately thought Jodi Arias to be the killer. If she were indeed the killer, he had to figure out if she could have committed the crime by herself. The brutality was such that it was possible that a woman her size could have murdered Mr. Alexander in the way that he had been found lumped into his bathroom shower, if her adrenaline was pumped up. He had seen what adrenaline causes the body to do in so many crimes where it would have been thought impossible that the perpetrator committed the crime.

    It is well known that fight or flight also gives an adrenaline rush. So, the Detective had to look for any possibility that Jodi Arias had reacted out of a need of self-preservation. That could not be discarded as an idea because there was a possibility, as slim as it was, that Jodi Arias (brutally) killed Mr. Alexander because she would have been in fear of her life. Again, he had seen incidents when that had occurred — the killing of another, but not the brutality of the deed. In those situations, the person who killed usually does not run from the scene and usually calls 9-1-1 or contacts someone close to tell the person of the circumstance. So that had to be looked into. The Detective would question the friends and associates of Jodi Arias to see if she had acted in self-defense or if she was the perpetrator, and he would try to find someone to verify this account, if she would fess up to the killing.

    For starters, he had to see whether or not she would have been able to kill the victim in the manner that was used. The victim was an average size gentleman, not quite his size. He appeared to be around 5’ 9” and about a buck eighty but he would let the Medical Examiner tell him. He knew that he could have been off on the weight because the body had started to decompose and the abdomen area was distended from the body gases. In addition, it was not that easy to get an accurate frame of mind about the height and weight because the victim was stuffed into the small compartment area of the shower. What the Detective could see of the victim matched what he was looking at in the copy of the Arizona driver’s license for the victim. The victim did not appear to be as heavy and it could have been because he had been working out, as he had noticed a punching bag in the living area of the home.

    He was not sure whether the body had been moved at any time during or after what appeared to have been a struggle in the bathroom that lead to the very front of where the bedroom area met the bathroom area. There did not seem to be any altercation in the closet because there was a lack of blood and nothing in the closet was in disarray. But, he still had to consider that a part of the crime scene and thoroughly examine that area too. There was blood spatter evidence throughout the bathroom, but there was none at all in the closet next to the bathroom.

    Now, all the Detective had to figure out is if Jodi Arias killed Mr. Alexander without any assistance from one or more helpers. From the look of the crime scene, it did not appear that pleading self-defense would be the real truth of the matter. There was just too much gore. It looked like a movie set for a slasher film. There was no self-defense in that room where a continuing struggle by the deceased was very evident. So, the Detective just waited for a copy of her California driver’s license to be sent through. Once he was in receipt of that license, he could see that when she first got her driver’s license in California, at sixteen, she had given them the information that she was 5’6” and 115 pounds. At her young age, she certainly would not have shrunk in height, and she most certainly could have grown a little taller. That was to be seen.

    The Detectives on the case would not have their first meeting with Jodi Arias until June 17, 2008, when she would stop by the Mesa Police Headquarters to let them take her fingerprints and get a buccal swab sample of her saliva for DNA typing. Nonetheless, Detective Flores already had her weight and height, and he could see from the photographs Mr. Alexander had that there was not that much difference in size between the two. There was a difference, but the difference was not that much that Jodi Arias would not have been able to singlehandedly commit the brutal crime. In addition, he was privy to the images on the camera found in the washer at the home of Mr. Alexander. Jodi Arias was in a couple of the photos that had been taken, and she did not appear sickly in those photos. As a matter of fact, it could be seen that she had been working out. A person does not look that fit without working out — although she had not been able to knock off the pounds around her heavy thighs.

    Much later, Detective Flores would understand that Jodi Arias had been working out and was much stronger than she let on because he would listen to that publicized sex-tape dated May 10, 2008. In that tape, she spoke of running so hard she could not swallow. She spoke of pushing herself hard. Only a person in training pushes herself that hard. Jodi Arias had not signed up for a marathon, and she was not planning a vacation where she would exert herself rock-climbing or scuba diving. She had prepared herself for something. And, this Detective would know what that was that she had premeditated. As so many have since decided — she had prepared herself beforehand, by weeks or even months to kill Mr. Alexander.

  147. jad
    03/04/2013 at 7:00 am

    One can hear the words showing a direction of blame towards certain roommates (along with other persons) for the heinous attack and brutal slaying of Mr. Alexander, in that June 10, 2008 recording of the conversation between Detective Esteban Flores and Jodi Arias. Although it is now known that Jodi Arias carries the whole blame, the persons she tried to shift the blame to should be recognized in order to remove any thought that it was anyone other than this psychopath, alone, who slaughtered Mr. Alexander in such a wicked fashion. Quite a bit of information was contained in the August 27, 2008 dated Investigation Supplement to the Incident Report (approved the following day and also approved by the Supervisor September 3, 2008).

    Since the roommates of Mr. Alexander have not been looked at during the case before Judge Stephens, a review of this Supplement would fill in the holes as to what was known by those closest in vicinity to him. At the time that Mr. Alexander was brutally murdered in his own home, he had two roommates. The names of these two are Zachary Billings and Enrique Cortez. The names of the girlfriends of the two roommates are Amanda McBrien and Kim , respectively.

    At one time or another, both of the roommates had attended the same Church Ward with Mr. Alexander. So, when given the opportunity to share the residence for only $450 with his own private room and total access to all other areas of the residence, Mr. Billings moved in on January 29, 2008. There was a similar arrangement with Mr. Cortez, who had also met Mr. Alexander when both attended the same Church Ward.

    Mr. Cortez had just moved in two weeks prior. None of the three roommates were social partners with each other. They did not even speak to each other much, except in passing. The reason given by Mr. Billings was because he spent most of his time visiting his girlfriend when he was not at work. The reason given by Mr. Cortez was basically the same, as well as the fact that he was a recent resident in the home and had not gotten to know all of the people and did not know the schedules of those in the household. Mr. Billings had not gotten around to getting a key for the residence, but he did not mind as he would park his vehicle in the garage and he had a garage door opener with the keypad code.

    Mr. Billings told the Detective that Mr. Alexander was dating a girl when he moved in, but he could not remember her name. He believed the two split up because of a person identified as Jodi Arias. This would have been around the middle of February of 2008. He said Jodi Arias would hang around the residence, and it seemed that the prior girlfriend did not like that fact. He felt that Jodi Arias was the reason that the relationship [with Lisa Andrews] did not work. The same thing seemed to happen with the most recent girlfriend of Mr. Alexander. Jodi Arias would hang around the residence, and it seemed that (like the girlfriend before) the most recent girlfriend [Mimi Hall] did not like that fact. Anyway, Mr. Billings [opining his male point of view on the situation] seemed to think that either girlfriend would have had to tolerate Jodi Arias until Mr. Alexander could deal with the situation.

    Mr. Billings spoke of the relationship he had with his fellow roommates in an interview with Detective Flores. He reported that he had not even had a sit down dinner with Mr. Alexander during the entirety of his stay at the residence (which was a little over four months time). The three roommates just kept to themselves and did not take the time to hang out. From all of the information being given to the Detective about the erratic yet busy work schedule of Mr. Alexander, it was understandable that Mr. Alexander probably could not focus on the humdrum necessity of socializing. Despite that fact, supplementary interviews with other people would show that Mr. Alexander made an attempt to widen his horizons from just work and his commitment to his Church. This was brought to the Detective’s attention when explaining a welcome for a specific evening when UFC fights were shown. Mr. Alexander had begun a get together of sorts for people to gather to watch the entertainment and have some time to converse in a friendly atmosphere. One of his previous roommates, Daniel Freeman, was living in the residence when Mr. Alexander had decided to bring people together over a social event, that was not related to his work at Pre-Paid Legal, had nothing to do with his motivational speaking, and was not a part of his Church duties.

    Like the case of the State of Florida versus Casey Anthony, there were problems in nailing down the day and time when the victim had last been seen. Zachary Billings, one of the roommates of Mr. Alexander, believed he had last seen Mr. Alexander on Thursday, June 5, 2008. He remembered leaving the residence at 11:30 that morning on his way to pick up his girlfriend, Amanda, and seeing Mr. Alexander in passing as he walked out of the residence. Mr. Billings would spend that entire afternoon back at the residence watching movies with his girlfriend — only leaving much later to have dinner and do a little shopping. Unlike most days where he would have been out of the home, he was in the residence the majority of the day of Thursday, June 5, 2008. In addition, he told the Detective that he would have done his laundry on the day before he last saw Mr. Alexander (after getting confused in thinking it would have been that Saturday). That would have put the date that Mr. Billings did his laundry as Wednesday, June 4, 2008. He remembered that he had cleaned his room on Saturday the seventh of June, but did not have to wash any laundry (as he usually does) because he had already washed and dried all of his laundry during the week.

    Although he may have been confused [within one day] about the exact date he last saw Mr. Alexander, there was one thing that Mr. Billings knew for a fact, which was he never saw Mr. Alexander after that date (of June 5, 2008). Since Mr. Billings knew of the upcoming trip to Cancun and knew it was scheduled around the beginning of June, he assumed Mr. Alexander was not around because he had gone on that trip. Also, even if that trip would not have been planned, he would not have thought it out of the ordinary that Mr. Alexander was not there because Mr. Alexander did a lot of traveling in his job for Pre-Paid Legal [a multi-level marketing format, that has a profit potential for the serious minded individual involved in a similar fashion as those who pitch the sales of products for Amway, Avon, or Herbalife] and speaking as a motivational speaker. Although Mr. Alexander was also heavily involved in the Church, Mr. Billings would have known if Mr. Alexander would have been asked to leave Mesa for any Mormon Missionary work, since they were of the same faith and, for a time, had been in the same Ward. It would not have been the work of the Church that pulled him away from his home. It would have been his work as an Executive Director of Pre-Paid Legal or trying to establish a name for himself as a motivational speaker. Mr. Billings would decide that Mr. Alexander had chosen the option offered by Pre-Paid Legal at that time, which was rewarding certain of its sales staff with a trip to Cancun in Mexico. He had settled on that thought as to where Mr. Alexander had gone, since Mr. Alexander’s car was in the garage — and a paid trip out of town with airfare included would explain the disappearance of a man who had left his means of transportation in the garage.

    On the follow-up interview, Detective Flores managed to get more precise information from Mr. Billings. He did recall that the girlfriend of Mr. Cortez was feeding Napoleon. So, that could have made him assume the leave of absence of Mr. Alexander was not out of the ordinary. When he was first interviewed by Detective Flores, he had forgotten about the trip his girlfriend had taken with her parents. While they were away, Mr. Billings was responsible for house sitting their residence while they were on a cruise. He had gone back to the residence of Mr. Alexander on June 3 to get ready for work. He went to work that day at 3:00 in the afternoon.

    Wednesday, June 4 was his day off. He took the time on that day to return the rental car he had been using, since his car had been repaired after an accident. Mr. Billings went to the residence of Mr. Alexander at around 3:00 in the afternoon that day (of June 4) and stayed there for about an hour. He did not notice anything out of the ordinary. Since he did not have a key and had stated in an earlier interview that he used the garage keypad to access the residence, he would have noticed a vehicle in the garage or in the driveway. He did not notice anything unusual. {{Jodi Arias had testified to packing her car and bringing out her luggage on that day.}} He went to the residence of his girlfriend and parents to clean up their home, since they were returning the next day. Afterwards, he went back to the residence of Mr. Alexander, returning there at around 9:00 in the evening. He could not remember the exact day the furniture was moved and the floor cleaner was out, but he did know that happened that week. He also brought up the fact that the banister had been cleaned. He was not positive about the day that he did his laundry that week, since his schedule was off due to the fact that he had been house sitting most of the week.

    When Detective Flores asked about the clothing found in the washer and dryer, Mr. Billings said it was not his. He did not wear the Temple undergarments — only Mr. Alexander and Mr. Cortez wore the Mormon Temple garments. What Mr. Billings did do was provide some information, which, if accepted, would document that Mr. Alexander did not do the laundry that was in the washer and the dryer. He said that Mr. Alexander would never have mixed the whites with colored fabric because he was a stickler on being very neat. Other than what he had related, he did not notice anything unusual. Furthermore, he could not remember anyone at the house and did not see any unusual car parked in the neighborhood that week.

    Mr. Billings had not met Jodi Arias until he had become a roommate of Mr. Alexander. So, he would not have known of any of her interaction with Mr. Alexander when they were described as girlfriend and boyfriend, as he would not have had any personal experience of a first hand nature before January 29, 2008. Nevertheless, he said Jodi Arias used to come around a lot when he first moved into the residence. She would clean the home on occasion, and Mr. Alexander would pay her. He believed Mr. Alexander helped her because she did not have anyone else in Mesa to help her, even though Mr. Alexander seemed disturbed that she was in Mesa, and his dispute with her was that she had moved there after their relationship was over. The Detective heard from Mr. Billings that he knew that Jodi Arias moved to be close to Mr. Alexander after they broke up — moving from somewhere in California to Arizona. The second-hand nature of that comment being put aside, he was more knowledgeable about other incidents. Mr. Billings told the Detective that he knew that Mr. Alexander and Jodi Arias had issues. One in particular that he detailed for the Detective was the problem with Jodi Arias just popping up whenever she chose. She would let herself in because the door was always unlocked. Mr. Alexander and Jodi Arias would argue about the fact that she would just show up at or in his house. They argued that she would just appear inside his home unannounced. The way the disagreement occurred was when Mr. Alexander would ask her why she was in his house.

    Jodi Arias also called at inappropriate times to ask for advice about different things. He seemed to think this ended when she moved back to California one or two months before Mr. Alexander was found slaughtered in his shower. He knew that Mr. Alexander and Jodi Arias had argued before she moved away, and he knew they had gotten into another quarrel of some sorts on the day she actually left. Mr. Billings had a really good memory of that particular event because Jodi Arias just showed up at the home where he stayed with Mr. Alexander — with a U-Haul truck. He did not mention any other time of noticing the big U-Haul truck, other than on the day she was depicted as leaving the area for good.

    Mr. Billings told Detective Flores that he too was an avid amateur photographer, like Mr. Alexander. It was Mr. Billings who suggested to Mr. Alexander the camera (type and style) he should purchase [the one that the investigative team would later find in the washing machine]. He mentioned that a part of Mr. Alexander’s exercise regimen involved kickboxing, as well as running and riding his bike. [So, Mr. Alexander would have had sturdy legs.] The Detective asked if there had been anything out of the ordinary in the residence, and Mr. Billings told him that there had been something that was rather odd. He had noticed either on Wednesday (the Fourth of June) or Thursday (the Fifth) that the furniture had been moved downstairs. He, at first, chalked it up to Mr. Alexander wanting to use the new floor cleaner on the tile and preparing the tile floor by moving the furniture. He recalled the furniture was in the same position the next day, which again was something that was odd. It remained that way until Mr. Cortez put some of the furniture back in place. Another thing that he thought odd, but had again believed to have been a part of the housecleaning was that the banister had been wiped cleaned. He thought that Mr. Alexander had cleaned it and that was why it was so slick to the touch.

    Detective Flores wrote in the Investigative Supplement to his Incident Report that he made requests of several people to submit to providing samples of DNA and giving information in a follow-up interview. He was able to contact Jodi Arias on June 16, 2008, the same day that he contacted Marie [Mimi] Hall, Dallin Forrest, and Michelle Lowery. Jodi Arias was in town that day for the Memorial Service for Travis. She, along with the others, did arrive at 6:00 P.M. the following day to provide samples and be fingerprinted. However, unlike the others who allowed themselves to be interviewed, Jodi Arias declined the offer of being involved in a follow-up interview. The excuse provided by Jodi Arias was that she had discussed the matter with a close friend (without naming the purported friend) who had advised her not to permit an interview. This friend was able to convince her not to give in to being interviewed without first speaking to an attorney. Jodi Arias said the reason she was not giving an interview was that she was uncomfortable speaking to the Detective because [the Police and] others were looking at her more closely because so many people were talking about her possible involvement in the death of Mr. Alexander.

    The next day, June 18, 2008, Detective Esteban Flores did a follow-up interview with one of Mr. Alexander’s roommates, Enrique Cortez (while another Detective did the follow-up interview with Dustin and Ashley Thompson). Mr. Cortez distinctly remembered Mr. Alexander tell him, on the day of Wednesday, June 4, 2008, that he had not slept much the night before. He had appeared groggy and complained of only getting forty-five minutes of sleep. Mr. Cortez was also able to relate that Mr. Alexander talked about a conference call, that was scheduled for that evening. He tried to remember the last time he would have seen Mr. Alexander, and he thought he could have seen him that evening around six o’clock, when Mr. Cortez got home (at his normal time with a normal routine). He was quite sure that no one other than the five regular people (of himself, [his girlfriend] Kim, Mr. Billings, [Mr. Billings’ girlfriend] Amanda, and Mr. Alexander) were at that house that particular week.

    Mr. Cortez realized that something was off on Thursday, June 5, 2008. On that day, he remembered the morning was normal. In other words, when he left the residence, everything was in its place. However, when he got home that evening, at around six, he ran into a couple of odd occurrences. For one, he could not get in the house through the front door because it was locked. Mr. Alexander never locked the front door and it was very unusual to find it locked. Mr. Cortez would be able to remember this as a fact because he was accustomed to going into the residence through an unlocked front door. On that particular date, he had to go through the garage in order to gain entry into the residence. Once inside, Mr. Cortez noticed the downstairs furniture had been moved and pushed off the tile floor. Although this was out of the ordinary, he decided it was not such a big deal since he also noticed the floor cleaner was in the middle of the living room. Mr. Alexander had not finished assembling that floor cleaner the last time he knew anything about it. So, Mr. Cortez just assumed that Mr. Alexander must have finished assembling that floor cleaner in order to do a thorough cleaning job of the downstairs tile area.

    Mr. Cortez’ girlfriend, Kim, came over to visit him that evening. She was going to drop by there first, and then they would go to Temple services. He switched the TV on in his room and settled down to play a video game while waiting for his girlfriend. When she arrived, she brought to his attention that the CTR ring and watch belonging to Mr. Alexander were both sitting on the kitchen counter. That was unusual because normally Mr. Alexander would not go out without the ring and watch. (He must have thought this could also be excused because of his belief that Mr. Alexander had been house cleaning.) Nevertheless, he did not give much thought at the time to another unusual matter. The doggie gate was up to restrict the movement of Mr. Alexander’s dog, Napoleon. Usually Napoleon could roam freely throughout the entire house. Mr. Alexander did not restrict his [beloved] dog from any area of his home [except for the private bedrooms of his roommates]. However, the gate had been put up to restrict Napoleon from access to the upstairs. Another odd feature was that both the door to the Office and the doors to the bedroom of Mr. Alexander had been closed.

    The roommates were not really concerned about the absence of Mr. Alexander because Mr. Alexander would be gone quite a bit since he traveled a lot. This time, they were running into certain unexpected obstacles during what they thought was his time away from the residence. Mr. Billings was expecting some mail, which he could not get without the mail key. [He had texted Mr. Alexander about the mail key but had not received a response.] Additionally, Mr. Billings had some car trouble wherein he would need jumper cables. Without Mr. Alexander around, they did not know where anything was kept. They both realized by Saturday that Mr. Alexander was not available, but they had come to the wrong conclusion that it was because he was not in the residence. They both assumed Mr. Alexander was out of town. The following day, Sunday, Mr. Cortez noticed that Mr. Alexander was not in attendance at Church. Mr. Cortez said that was odd.

    Mr. Cortez did not detect an unusual smell until Monday, June 9. He had come home from a Church activity, and noticed it when entering the residence. He did not know that anything had happened to Mr. Alexander until Mr. Billings knocked on his door to tell him the Police were on their way to investigate what had happened. He believed that whatever happened to Mr. Alexander would have occurred on the day that he came home from work to find all of the downstairs furniture had been moved. He thought that the day was Thursday, June 5, 2008. But, after the Detective told him that Mr. Alexander had missed his scheduled conference call on Wednesday evening and then asked him again if he was sure of that specific date, Mr. Cortez said he could not be that certain. Detective Flores made a notation that Mr. Cortez’s girlfriend, Kim, would have to be interviewed. There would be no trouble getting an interview with Kim [as there had been in trying to get a follow-up interview with Jodi Arias, who had refused]. Kim had agreed to give an official statement so long as the Detective gave her sufficient notice.

  148. Lisa M
    03/04/2013 at 10:45 am

    Observer: “She said she slipped through a side door and stood in the doorway of the office for a long time watching him on the computer with his back to her until his dog barked and ran to her and Travis turned around. Because the dog was there and she didn’t know if a roommate was home or she may have started the attack when his back was to her then.”
    Are you saying you think she killed him after she arrived and not the next day?

  149. Linda
    03/04/2013 at 11:13 am

    OMG does anyone know why In Session has cut down on the amount of time they are showing cases OMG its only two hours Why Why Why?

  150. MMD
    03/04/2013 at 12:58 pm

    I would love to know how much time JA and Squrmi Nurmi spent together the last 3 days so they would both be on the same page for the redirect today.

  151. MMD
    03/04/2013 at 1:34 pm

    Wow, it is truly going to be a long, long day with very little testiphony if this is the way Wurmi is going to handle re-direct.

    I honestly don’t know how Wurmi and Willmott can sleep at night!!

  152. Laine
    03/04/2013 at 1:35 pm

    I am struggling to watch this! Please Lord the jury can see what I see! She is lying so much she’s actually refusing to make eye contact with the jury…her body is pointing towards them but her eyes are everywhere else!

  153. SCK
    03/04/2013 at 1:58 pm

    This woman makes me sick to my stomach!!

  154. MMD
    03/04/2013 at 2:01 pm

    I now know how Wurmi wins any of his seedy cases, he so bores the jury that they will do anything to get him to simply shut up.

    Anybody else having a problem staying awake???????????

  155. SJ
    03/04/2013 at 2:25 pm

    Today Jodi is being lauded as Mother Teresa loving everyone and an unconditional lover.

    I may not be able to watch part 2 and just read about it. I really can’t sit still and watch her act like Little Bo Peep today.

    I saw a tweet from someone inside the court room on Huffiington Post who said the jury looked bored and they started looking around the court room. That was their interpretation.

    I read this and thought it was interesting.
    The complexities and challenges of completing behavioral studies of women who are suspected of having psychopathic traits have been noted in the forensic literature. The various different masks that the female psychopathic killer displays at different times often have more to do with the audience and the manipulation at that moment that will benefit the individual wearing the mask than the true nature of the individual wearing the mask”

  156. Laine
    03/04/2013 at 2:26 pm

    MMD :I now know how Wurmi wins any of his seedy cases, he so bores the jury that they will do anything to get him to simply shut up.
    Anybody else having a problem staying awake???????????

    Oh My God! I want to find his fast forward button! and what is with reapting every answer JA gives?!?!?! either he thinks everyone is stupid or his memory is as bad as hers! and is he now intimating Travis raped her???? Low blows!! this team will stop at nothing to continue mutilating this poor guy….makes me sick!

  157. Laine
    03/04/2013 at 2:32 pm

    Correction…repeating…my brain is working faster than my fingers today!!!!

  158. Ci Ci's Circle
    03/04/2013 at 3:02 pm

    Laine :

    MMD :I now know how Wurmi wins any of his seedy cases, he so bores the jury that they will do anything to get him to simply shut up.
    Anybody else having a problem staying awake???????????

    Oh My God! I want to find his fast forward button! and what is with reapting every answer JA gives?!?!?! either he thinks everyone is stupid or his memory is as bad as hers! and is he now intimating Travis raped her???? Low blows!! this team will stop at nothing to continue mutilating this poor guy….makes me sick!

    He only has two speeds…..SLOW AND SLOWER!!
    And his acting….OMG!! Between her performance and his we don’t know which is worst!! Watch him as he looks up at the ceiling and runs his hand through his scalp and pretends like he’s trying to word the question!! You know damn well he’s been practicing with her all week-end!! He probably told her, “ok…when I do this I want you to act this way or that way”……phoney fart!!

    And what was with that reenactment of a photograph with JA and Willmot standing up in front of the jury with their arms around each other?!! OMG….how stupid was that!! And then Willmot smiling at the jury…..geeeezzzzz…..beyond stupid!!

    The jury got all the facts from JM and now Dumbo is going back over the sex and the text messages at such a slow pace we’re sure the jury is sick of this sideshow!!

    WE SURE ARE!!

    Rehabilitate her?……BS!!

  159. Rache
    03/04/2013 at 3:38 pm

    Does anybody know if Jodi succeeds in making eye contact with jurors as they walk in? She certainly stares with that oh-poor-me look on her face. I am just wondering if anybody looks directly at her.

  160. MMD
    03/04/2013 at 4:03 pm

    Laine :

    MMD :I now know how Wurmi wins any of his seedy cases, he so bores the jury that they will do anything to get him to simply shut up.
    Anybody else having a problem staying awake???????????

    Oh My God! I want to find his fast forward button! and what is with reapting every answer JA gives?!?!?! either he thinks everyone is stupid or his memory is as bad as hers! and is he now intimating Travis raped her???? Low blows!! this team will stop at nothing to continue mutilating this poor guy….makes me sick!

    I agree. It’s like the EverReady Bunny on really, really cheap batteries. I swear he is even slower this afternoon.

    This is either going to work one of two ways with the jury. They are going to tune out because he is talking to them as if they are incapable of understanding and have a brain deficiency, or they’ll remember in the jury room more of what Wurmi said because of his slowness and constant repetition.

    And btw, is Wurmi trying to set a record for sidebars??????????

    I would love to know what the win/loss record is between JM against Wurmi.

    fading fast on the east coast of Canada…………………..

  161. janet
    03/04/2013 at 4:03 pm

    OMG!! I can’t believe this redirect!! Squirmi is pretty much repeating her direct!! This is absolutely ridiculous! And miss screwball is acting like she is some SAINT!!! I can’t even watch this anymore! Squirmi doesn’t even know what the Hell he is getting at! It’s OVERKILL on RE- direct!! Give it up defense!! She screwed herself & your case, & blew the whole thing out of the water!! The poor family & jury!

  162. Ci Ci's Circle
    03/04/2013 at 4:09 pm

    Yuk!!!…..she has some kind of sores at the edge of her mouth! Who’s she been kissing in jail?!

  163. Anonymous
    03/04/2013 at 4:20 pm

    Just looking at her face and hearing his slow squirmy voice……..yikes!…..I need to walk away from the screen. She is now making herself out to be a good little play girl who would do anything to please her man.

  164. Observer
    03/04/2013 at 4:30 pm

    Lisa. #165, apparently you missed my correcton below the email you quoted:

    Observer
    03/03/2013 at 12:43 pm | #139

    Quote

    I meant to say “If the dog wasn’t there and she knew no roommates were home, she may have killed him when his back was to her then.”

  165. Anonymous
    03/04/2013 at 4:34 pm

    If the jury hates Jodi as much as I do Nurmi she is in even more trouble. I thought the lawyers want the jury to like them. DOES HIS BRAIN REALLY WORK THAT SLOWLY?????

  166. NancyB
    03/04/2013 at 4:39 pm

    I literally can not stand listening to this crapola from this diabolical monster for another moment today. My heart is breaking for Travis’ family. I do believe in the death penalty in cases like this one BUT today I’ve been thinking that maybe it would have been better for the family if she had gotten life without parole with the stipulation that the complete trashing of Travis would NOT be tolerated for even a moment unless there was substantial corroborating evidence independent of this pathological liar’s testimony.

    Then she would have to be placed in the general population and hopefully some of the lifer’s would beat the crap out of her during her initiation period. I have never been a violent person but I am so disgusted with this entire sideshow. I am dreading the Battered Woman Syndrome psychologist and the PTSD expert. I find it repugnant that these experts testimony is for sale regardless of whether there is any validity to their clinical evaluations, which there isn’t in this case. It is a complete insult to all the people that have truly suffered from those diagnosis’.

  167. NancyB
    03/04/2013 at 4:56 pm

    Donchais,

    When Jodi was arrested, she had just finished packing to go on another road trip. Police found two knives and a 9mm gun in the rental car. She admitted buying them which proves that she does travel with a gun and knives. Why is this information not in front of the jury? Why was it considered too prejudicial? Was it because of the death penalty?

    Where in the hell is the search for the truth? Citizens have the right to expect that what is true will be discoverable at trial, and that obvious guilt can surely withstand the test of reasonable doubt.

    Legal decisions should make sense not simply to lawyers and judges; they should also appeal to the rightness and righteousness of ordinary people. What is a verdict if it doesn’t verify the truth — not some legalistic stand-in called legal facts, but the actual truth?

    It bears noting that travesties of justice happen less frequently in other western nations. Instead of having both sides fight a zero sum game, the winner-take-all, scorch the earth contests that make American trials similar to its sporting spectacles, other countries place a higher value on having both the prosecution and the defense work to uncover the truth. After all, everyone in society benefits when the truth is known and injustice is not allowed to prevail — in this case, the memory of Travis Alexander especially.

    • SJ
      03/04/2013 at 7:14 pm

      Jodi had a 9m gun and knives in another rental car when she was arrested and this hasn’t been told to the jury?

      This story has so many layers it’s become Shakespearean.

  168. MMD
    03/04/2013 at 5:06 pm

    I swear Wurmi is obsessed with sex himself!! He is really trying to push the agenda of attention, pleasing and approval to set the stage for the abuse experts.

    This tweet was was at least interesting.

    Michael Kiefer @michaelbkiefer #Arias is trying to decide if the Tootsie Pop experience was pleasurable. Talk about product placement!

  169. MMD
    03/04/2013 at 5:17 pm

    Great comment and I can actually visualize it.

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
    I can picture Nurmi in his dark studio piecing this together with Final Cut on his mac while eating pork rinds and diet pepsi. #JodiArias

  170. MMD
    03/04/2013 at 5:18 pm

    Bet nobody can tell I’m totally bored with this testiphony 😦

  171. NancyB
    03/04/2013 at 5:44 pm

    Linda :
    OMG does anyone know why In Session has cut down on the amount of time they are showing cases OMG its only two hours Why Why Why?

    SG – Starting today only 2hrs daily. From 9AM to 11AM. They fired Beth Karas, who I have mucho respect for. I think she is wonderful. They also fired Jean Casarez. Vinnie will do the 2 hr daily block. No idea why they are doing this in the middle of this trial! That’s all I know.

    • donchais
      03/04/2013 at 6:52 pm

      HLN picks it up from there.

  172. Laine
    03/04/2013 at 6:36 pm

    So correct me if I’m wrong…..The Journal wasn’t Private because Travis could read it….Journal entry read by JM on request of Nurmi….I’m glad no one else gets to read this because I can say BLAH BLAH BLAH….Please tell me I’m not going crazy here!!! And it seems to me Ms Arias has been teaching Squirmy how to deceive…..

  173. NancyB
    03/04/2013 at 7:12 pm

    Why did this judge allow re-edited sex tapes to be introduced today?

    • donchais
      03/04/2013 at 7:26 pm

      The full tape had already been accepted…Nurmi played trial by ambush by enhancing and taking it out of context. We don’t want Nurmi to have any reason to call mistrial which is why she was so tuff of Nurmi when Juan objected. She also said that particular piece of bogus crap will not go to the jury room as an exhibit! Am I happy, no of course not, but judicially she did what was correct!

  174. SJ
    03/04/2013 at 7:18 pm

    Ci Ci’s Circle :
    Yuk!!!…..she has some kind of sores at the edge of her mouth! Who’s she been kissing in jail?!

    Looks like Herpes..which comes out with stress. After JM worked her over on Friday…I guess she was a little stressed. ha!

    I wonder if there are any pictures of her with Herpes after she butchered Travis…that’s what I’d call stressful.

  175. Nancy Pennington
    03/04/2013 at 7:43 pm

    Thanks for the info on InSession. I wasn’t home to watch today so I recorded it and then saw it was only on for 2 hours instead of 6. What will all the ridiculous commercials do now. I am really sorry to hear about Beth Karas because she was my favorite since she gave an honest report and none of the theatrics that Jean Casarez seems to favor. I think Jean was trying to act more like Nancy Grace (Yuk). When I heard Holly Hughes on HLN talking about how great Wurmi was doing, then Jean C. started on how bad the recording made Travis sound I turned it off. I will continue to follow donchais’s reporting until the prosecution has it’s rebuttal..Someone said that JA (is that Jodi Arias or JackAss??) makes them sick to their stomach and boy that nails it for me also.

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