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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – Day Thirty-Two

03/14/2013

What a finale to Jodi’s tenure on the stand.  Juan Martinez was a pit bull!   He caught her in so many lies and got her to admit certain things she previously omitted.  She also embellished certain things that I’m sure did not escape the jury…think holster and knife!  I think her ‘computer brain’ hard drive died yesterday!

Screen shot 2013-03-14 at 1.55.06 PMCourt begins, late as usual, at 10:48… j^)_(&)YJ&%e3^##!!!

Mr. Samuels is preparing a PowerPoint.  I don’t have a problem with that, but it’s a new story after I interviewed Mr. Samuels.  There are several items that Martinez’s is objecting to.  Samuels introducing ‘Your Brain Under Fire” from Time magazine (Peer reviewed??? NOT!)!  NONE OF THIS HAS BEEN DISCLOSED TO THE PROSECUTION!!!

OMG! Schlock Doc!  Nurmi and Willmott should be hung out to dry for this ambush!  Original report was finished back in June 2010, but he has still continued to visit Arias.

This is totally new and different.  You don’t do a PowerPoint overnight so it’s been around for a while!

Willmott goes into bitch mode and claims Martinez is only objecting because it helps Ms. Arias.  Basically she is saying the state is disingenuous.

Judge Stephens not looking happy.

Boy, Willmott spews as much crap as her client!

Martinez interviewed Samuels on July 16, 2011.

Judge Stephens releases everyone till 1:15 MST so Martinez can re-interview Samuels.

She threw a major curveball by saying Martinez’s Motion in Liminie should have come before the trial. This carp came to pros this morning!!!!

BTW, the author of the Times article is an investigative journalist, not even a doctor or therapist!!!  Yeah, that should be allowed as testiphony!

Court back live at 1:07 MST

Judge asks Willmott why this is relevant, lol!

Martinez says the danger of confusing the jury is eminent.  Looking at a crime scene doesn’t indicate the type of murder.  It’s confusing and no research can show the state of mind of the defendant.

Judge Stephens says an evidentiary hearing is called for and asks if Martinez is ready to go today.

After 4 years, why the hell is this bull coming up now!

Stephens says the slide of the brain can be used.  She hasn’t seen the Time article and wants to know if it is quotes or what and wants to see it.  Defense has no paper copy so the slide goes up on the screen showing the excerpts from Time.

This is just so wrong!!! It was a freakin journalist and what he is showing relates more to Travis not the defendant.

Judge wants a hearing on reactive and instrumental murder (passion or premeditated) either this afternoon or tomorrow.

Judge calls the jury in at 1:23.

Richard Samuels, Clinical and Forensic Psychologist on the stand.

Could be a brother to Gus Searcy!

Samuels goes through his lengthy CV.  He does a ton of sexual dysfunction therapy.  Works with law enforcement with shootings, like getting cops back on their feet after they shot somebody.

He was hired Dec. 2009 to work with Jodi.  He got an overall global review a dozen times over a 3-year period.

He skirted the actual events to let her give him the background on her.  Did this to create rapport with her.  He did not record because people tend to be hesitant to report.

He read 2000 pages of her diaries, read police reports, media reports and administered several psych tests, 48 Hours, the text messages that he created his report from for her diagnosis.

He made an addendum to the report when new information on letters and a hard drive became known.

Martinez, objection…sidebar…

Says the new info reinforced the diagnosis.

Jodi told him the ninja story and he and Nurmi confronted her.  She stopped with the ninja story and came up with the self-defense crap.

She was depressed and talked about suicide, but her self-confidence has grown as well as her self-esteem over time.

Have you studied the brain?  Yes.

Judge tells jury the can use this to assist them in understanding the testiphony, but it will not accompany them to deliberations.

The brain picture goes up.

He describes how the memory works and is formed.

Martinez is going to rip this guy!

Jodi doesn’t even look interested in this.  His spiel is all about fright or flight.

Snore.

Claims persons who are attacked or attacking, often forget the incident.

OMG, the Times article was let in! About a cop who sees a gun pulled and how he functioned.  Sorry, but this more describes what Travis would have experienced, not the skank!  Oh, yeah, when in the ambulance, the cop realized his whole body began to shake…something he could not control!

Geez, any of this sounding familiar?  Anybody think the defendant has been coached on buzz words and behavioral descriptions?

LMAO…tweet from court… And I took an intensive course in Fog and Brain Scramble at the University of BS!

> > > donchais slinking off to gather barf bags and foil hats for all!

If the memory is not there can you use hypnosis to recall them?  No.

The journals…when you write it down and expose yourself to the memory, that reinforces it.

If you write down a memory and read it later, does that improve the memory?  Yes.

Oh lord, Samuels holds up a copy of the DS-M 4 for the jury.  The psych bible.

Now talking acute stress disorder.  Person suffers a very severe trauma.

Now we’re doing amnesia…insert eye roll here.  Some amnesia are very specific so you don’t lose all memory.

OMG the defense was so rehearsed it’s making me ill…Jodi was a good student!  And, she’s paying absolutely no attention to this!

I’ve seen a lot of experts for hire and Samuels is pretty much joining that group!

His evaluation specific to Ms. Arias led him to she has PTSD.

Admits a person familiar with the PTSD and the test could manipulate the answers to show PTSD!

Hmmmmm!

Afternoon recess called 3:00 MST.

Arrrggghhhh…Counsel at bench again and Nurmi walking around clutching the DSM!

Jury called at 3:21 MST.

Samuels still on the stand.

WTF?  We just seated the jury and Nurmi asks to approach again!

Judge tells everyone to turn off their electronics unless they have specific permission.

Jodi specifically exhibits witnessed event that she initiated…Travis’ brutal murder.  She couldn’t confront the event she lived through, hence the ninja and, ‘I wasn’t even there’ stories.

It took several years for her to admit what happened?  Yes, it was a therapeutic break-though.

OMG, this is sickening!

Wish I could see the jury and see if they are still awake!  This guy is reading from textbooks, not showing he is an expert in anyway at all!

Hope Martinez brings up that this guy was hit with professional misconduct and had to leave NJ…also why he only works forensics now and no private patients!

Court called at 3:57 to return at 10 AM on Monday.

How to bore and lose a jury! Those symptoms he cited can also fit so many other things, like personality disorders!

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  1. Nancy Pennington
    03/14/2013 at 7:30 pm

    Not seeing how her murdering Travis, which apparently caused her PTSD translates to self defense or lack of premeditation. P stands for POST which means after the even!?! Premeditation OR PRE means before and self defense means at the time. RIGHT??? This Sexpert will now be known as GUS2.

  2. Ci Ci's Circle
    03/14/2013 at 7:34 pm

    We hope JM asks Dr. Beeker 3 questions:
    How come you were charged in NJ in 2000?
    How come you don’t have a private practice anymore?
    Which police departments have used your services as you indicated?

    What a dork….PTSD our ass!! Of course she happens to fall in to that 30% who can’t remember due to extreme stress! Hah! She’s not crazy……she’s conniving!…..and she’s not about to “remember” the part of her crime that will put her on the table!! Geeezzzz…..everything he’s saying and comparing to his Big Red Book is just from what she told him!!

    How about telling us about the murder…..all this crap he’s referring to has nothing to do with the murder!

    Blah blah blah…….

  3. donchais
    03/14/2013 at 7:40 pm

    Ci Ci’s Circle :

    We hope JM asks Dr. Beeker 3 questions:
    How come you were charged in NJ in 2000?
    How come you don’t have a private practice anymore?
    Which police departments have used your services as you indicated?

    What a dork….PTSD our ass!! Of course she happens to fall in to that 30% who can’t remember due to extreme stress! Hah! She’s not crazy……she’s conniving!…..and she’s not about to “remember” the part of her crime that will put her on the table!! Geeezzzz…..everything he’s saying and comparing to his Big Red Book is just from what she told him!!

    How about telling us about the murder…..all this crap he’s referring to has nothing to do with the murder!

    Blah blah blah…….

    Tell us how ya really feel, lol!

  4. GN5020
    03/14/2013 at 7:41 pm

    I hope Martinez asks Samuels the following questions:

    1. In a fight or flight mode where you are able to function to get away without remembering your actions, would that also include stopping to deliberately delete digital photos showing the crime scene?

    2. Could someone read the DSM-IV and mimic the criteria for PTSD and Acute Stress Disorder if they wanted to use it as a way to rationalize cold-blooded murder?

    3. Is there any scientific test to prove whether someone truly has a disassociative state or memory loss due to trauma, or are simply lying?

    4. Have there ever been defendants on trial for murder who have falsely claimed this type of memory loss to avoid answering questions about the crime?

    I’m just getting started … I hope Martinez makes mincemeat of this pompous poser.

  5. NancyB
    03/14/2013 at 7:44 pm

    Thk Gd for your sense of humor!!!

    LMAO…tweet from court… And I took an intensive course in Fog and Brain Scramble at the University of BS!

    > > > donchais slinking off to gather barf bags and foil hats for all!

  6. donchais
    03/14/2013 at 7:49 pm

    🙂

  7. Lisa M
    03/14/2013 at 7:53 pm

    “What a finale to Jodi’s tenure on the stand. Juan Martinez was a pit bull! He caught her in so many lies and got her to admit certain things she previously omitted. She also embellished certain things that I’m sure did not escape the jury…think holster and knife! I think her ‘computer brain’ hard drive died yesterday!”
    I agree with your assessment of yesterday’s testimony Donchais. It might have taken 18 days but the wait was worth it. (Well, almost!) Martinez did a great job knocking her off her pedestal. I hate how no matter what, she always sticks to the script and throws a jab at Travis every time she speaks. It reminds me of that SNL skit from way back where thr make comics used to say subliminal asides to try to get women to sleep with them. I can’t remember the specifics but its like she’s saying these things just in case one juror is affected subliminally by the constant barrage of statements about Travis’ “abusiveness.” She still did that but she seemed like a hollow shell of her former feisty self. She looked like the pathetic liar that she is, like the emperor without any clothes. I feel as though the tide has turned and her defense has to sense that. The jury questions were devastating and I hope it’s starting to sink in that the jury doesn’t believe her lies.

  8. Observer
    03/14/2013 at 7:55 pm

    Dr. Samuels was so boring I literally fell asleep in the recliner while listening to him. When I woke up court had apparently dismissed for the day because the video was gone from my computer screen. I wonder if he put the jury to sleep also.

    From what I heard any criminal who murdered someone, has trouble sleeping in prison, still obsesses over their victim and claims they can’t remember killing someone has PTSD. So what? Even by his criteria, the PTSD was a result of killing Travis. Even if the jury believes him, all it does is explain the “fog” but it doesn’t mean she isn’t guilty of first degree murder.

    PTSD doesn’t have anything to do with whether she stole her grandfather’s gun, rented a car, removed the license plates, turned off her phone, filled three gas cans in California, sneaked into Mesa, lured Travis into the shower on the pretense of a photo shoot, stabbed him 29 times, slit his throat, dragged him back to the bathroom, shot him in the head, cleaned up the crime scene, filled up the gas tank from the gas cans, threw away the gun and her bloody clothes, called Travis phone and left a message to throw suspicion off her and drove off to seduce a new lover.

    It’s all part of the defense game. Come up with a phony diagnosis and make the jury feel sorry because Jodi has trouble sleeping in a noisy prison. Cry me a river. My sympathy is with Travis, his family and friends.

  9. Lisa M
    03/14/2013 at 7:55 pm

    Correction: the male comics. I can’t remember who exactly but it was an old SNL bit from the 80’s I think.

  10. Lisa M
    03/14/2013 at 7:56 pm

    Oh and the “expert” does look like Guy Searcy’s brother! LOL

  11. ctc111
    03/14/2013 at 8:00 pm

    For the Jury to beleive him they have to beleive what Arias said, first. I m betting that the Jury is ‘way smarter then that.

  12. Lisa M
    03/14/2013 at 8:00 pm

    Right on GN5020! Great points. I’m sure Martinez will ask some good questions.

  13. Chrissie A
    03/14/2013 at 8:01 pm

    Observer :

    jad :
    This is part of the comment I tried to post on day 30, which, at the time was a response to what was thought posted by [greykitty] someone close to the defense [as it addressed the issue given the social worker]:
    [ from yesterday’s comments]

    Powerful post!!! Thank you for sharing.

  14. 03/14/2013 at 8:04 pm

    First you can tell he has been talking to JA. She was probably in charge of those sessions. Second, he literally put me to sleep in my chair so many thanks donchais for your synopsis. Geezzzzzzzzz all he is doing is reading the descriptions of PTSD, amnesia. How does he know that hypnosis would not pull up memories? Was JA hypnotized? Does he know the word PSYCHOPATH??? Sounds like he thinks she is a textbook case. What a stinkin’ joke.

  15. Chrissie A
    03/14/2013 at 8:05 pm

    Marilyn N :

    Chrissie A :
    I think she has used some of her vagina voodoo on this sexpert.

    Yes, I’m surprised she didn’t break out in a scream with an orgasm!!

    I kid you not,They both gave each other an endearing smile when Gus2 walked to the defense table, I will try to grab the clip.

  16. Karen
    03/14/2013 at 8:05 pm

    Just listening to that “phony expert” made my skin crawl. Who is repeating who with the same key words…fog, shaking…like a computer analogy. We have all been to the Doctor and they all ask leading questions in order to make a diagnosis, and if he read the police report and spoke with Numbi before he spoke with her he was clearly looking for a DEFENSE and LEAD her to one.

  17. Ci Ci's Circle
    03/14/2013 at 8:08 pm

    < Geeezzzz…..everything he’s saying and comparing to his Big Red Book is just from what she told him!!
    How about telling us about the murder…..all this crap he’s referring to has nothing to do with the murder!
    Blah blah blah…….

    Tell us how ya really feel, lol!

    What really got us when he started talking about JA not being able to tell a friend or family member about what happened he turns to the Jury and says, “Imagine how bad it must feel when you can’t turn to a family member or friend for support!?”

    That’s when we just blew up!! Well what about TRAVIS!!?? Imagine how it must have felt to him not to be able to cry out for help after his throat was slit!! Try that on for size Dr. Beeker!!

  18. Chrissie A
    03/14/2013 at 8:09 pm

    WhereIsSHE :
    Chrissie A :Professional complaint against Richard Samuels – entering into relationship with client beyond scope of professional conduct – conflict of interest, crossed boundaries:
    http://www.njconsumeraffairs.gov/action/20000313_35SI00106000.pdf</
    He HAD to leave NJ, because his ability to review cases and testify was strongly compromised by the above unprofessional conduct. Too easy to take him apart on his credibility after the professional misconduct, i.e. trading psych services for dental work from a dentist in a custody dispute, and allowing that personal relationship with the dentist to influence/determine his findings in the custody dispute. NAUGHTY, NAUGHTY, ETHICAL NO-NO.
    Took him YEARS to develop work in AZ, and no longer “treats” anyone. Only does forensic work now.

    I appreciate you going into detail on this as I read some feedback elsewhere that this was no big deal!

  19. Observer
    03/14/2013 at 8:17 pm

    Even Samuels said one of the criterias for PTSD was denial. Just because she denied killing him for several years doesn’t mean she wasn’t aware of her actions when she was stabbing him to death and dragging him back to the shower to wash her DNA off his body and the blood off her body. She wouldn’t go to seduuce Ryan smelling of sex, sweat and the blood of Travis.

  20. Chrissie A
    03/14/2013 at 8:17 pm

    Lisa M :
    “What a finale to Jodi’s tenure on the stand. Juan Martinez was a pit bull! He caught her in so many lies and got her to admit certain things she previously omitted. She also embellished certain things that I’m sure did not escape the jury…think holster and knife! I think her ‘computer brain’ hard drive died yesterday!”
    I agree with your assessment of yesterday’s testimony Donchais. It might have taken 18 days but the wait was worth it. (Well, almost!) Martinez did a great job knocking her off her pedestal. I hate how no matter what, she always sticks to the script and throws a jab at Travis every time she speaks. It reminds me of that SNL skit from way back where thr make comics used to say subliminal asides to try to get women to sleep with them. I can’t remember the specifics but its like she’s saying these things just in case one juror is affected subliminally by the constant barrage of statements about Travis’ “abusiveness.” She still did that but she seemed like a hollow shell of her former feisty self. She looked like the pathetic liar that she is, like the emperor without any clothes. I feel as though the tide has turned and her defense has to sense that. The jury questions were devastating and I hope it’s starting to sink in that the jury doesn’t believe her lies.

    Ha! I remember subliminal man on SNL!! The frustrating part of all of this bs is the horror that was Travis’ fate – as usual she was paying attention when it was all about her, but drifted off when the sexpert went all text on us. I saw tweets from a few in the courthouse today that there are questions going in the box for Gus2, it should be interesting.

  21. Chrissie A
    03/14/2013 at 8:18 pm

    Oooops! Sorry Donchais, I forgot to thank you for your excellent recap 🙂

  22. Karen
    03/14/2013 at 8:23 pm

    In reality if you have the darkest most horrific secret of your entire life who are you more likely to tell first, a strange Doctor or a family member, regardless of the circumstances.

  23. Rache
    03/14/2013 at 8:26 pm

    Chrissie A :

    Marilyn N :

    Chrissie A :
    I think she has used some of her vagina voodoo on this sexpert.

    Yes, I’m surprised she didn’t break out in a scream with an orgasm!!

    I kid you not,They both gave each other an endearing smile when Gus2 walked to the defense table, I will try to grab the clip.

    Love your comment, Chrissie. I think you are correct.

  24. Chrissie A
    03/14/2013 at 8:30 pm

    Vickee :
    First you can tell he has been talking to JA. She was probably in charge of those sessions. Second, he literally put me to sleep in my chair so many thanks donchais for your synopsis. Geezzzzzzzzz all he is doing is reading the descriptions of PTSD, amnesia. How does he know that hypnosis would not pull up memories? Was JA hypnotized? Does he know the word PSYCHOPATH??? Sounds like he thinks she is a textbook case. What a stinkin’ joke.

    I totally agree, I hope that Juan’ experts can touch on the fact that she is a narcissist/psycho and I’m hoping that the jury has picked up on that.

  25. donchais
    03/14/2013 at 8:33 pm

    STOP THE PRESSES! DSM has just issued a new diagnosis, PTSAT (Post Trauma Stress Arias Trial). Diagnosed early enough, patients can expect a full recovery, albeit a slow recovery. Physicians around the world suggest taking two goofy pills and avoiding all things Arias related for 12 hours. As always, check with your physician for possible side effects. This has been a Public Service announcement!

  26. Karen
    03/14/2013 at 8:36 pm

    Can JM bring up Samuels previous unprofessional conduct charge or is that not allowed?

    • donchais
      03/14/2013 at 8:37 pm

      Seen it happen in other cases…not sure what the heck AZ does with it.

  27. Chrissie A
    03/14/2013 at 8:39 pm

    Karen :
    In reality if you have the darkest most horrific secret of your entire life who are you more likely to tell first, a strange Doctor or a family member, regardless of the circumstances.

    Please correct me if I’m wrong but I think I read that when the police initially asked her parents if they thought she could have had anything to do with Travis’ murder they answered yes. Also does anyone know if either of them will be called up in rebuttal?

    • Karen
      03/14/2013 at 8:44 pm

      I thought all witnesses were precluded from watching or discussing the trial in any form.

      • donchais
        03/14/2013 at 9:02 pm

        Yup, but not sure what you are referring to.

  28. Chrissie A
    03/14/2013 at 8:45 pm

    donchais :
    STOP THE PRESSES! DSM has just issued a new diagnosis, PTSAT (Post Trauma Stress Arias Trial). Diagnosed early enough, patients can expect a full recovery, albeit a slow recovery. Physicians around the world suggest taking two goofy pills and avoiding all things Arias related for 12 hours. As always, check with your physician for possible side effects. This has been a Public Service announcement!

    Ha Ha Ha !!!!! Do you think that Judge Stevens will admit this to the court audience? Judging by today she looked like she could use this too! Brilliant Donchais!

    • Karen
      03/14/2013 at 8:48 pm

      I must be suffering from PTSAT I think I need an entire bottle of goofy pills.

  29. MMD
    03/14/2013 at 9:05 pm

    Thank you donchais once again for not only staying awake but your report and commentary. Totally woke up 2 dogs, the 3rd hiding under the bed from my laughing. Just watched Ac360 and both Jeff Toobin and Mark Geragos thought he was an excellent witness. They might not believe him but think he sounded good at least for anyone looking to give JA an out from the DP. LOL as if!!!!!

    I haven’t a damn thing to contribute tonight except to say that I’m sure that every single one of us could probably say we experienced every single symptom that Dr. Quack “READ” (and not well) at one time or another. An example, I’m the queen of denial and proud of it! Doesn’t mean I REALLY forgot and went into a fog. Everyone obsesses about something like,,,,, say this trial! I sometimes have bad dreams, thoughts pop into my head unexpectedly, have trouble sleeping, need I go on? I have never been arrested, charged with a crime or even so much as gotten a speeding ticket. (of course now that I’ve said that, watch them get me with the damn radar tomorrow) I have the utmost respect for good shrinks and therapists but paid quack experts of any sort, gimme a break!

    Anybody catch the massive smile JA produced at the table once the jury left for the day and then again when she was walking out the door? Dis-associative disorder, emotionless, yeah right!

    plse excuse me, I need to use one of donchais’ barf bags…………………………….. 😦

  30. Chrissie A
    03/14/2013 at 9:06 pm

    Scroll to 0:17 – JA taken to cell smiling:

  31. 03/14/2013 at 9:06 pm

    Look, I’m not gay, but so what if I was? But the copy of the DSM, volume one, the doctor is so fond of, characterized homosexuality as a mental illness, which has been disproved. So the book he bases his opinions on, other than Time magazine, has been debunked.

    • donchais
      03/14/2013 at 9:10 pm

      Heard he reads Denis the Menace and Archie comics also.

  32. MMD
    03/14/2013 at 9:09 pm

    Chrissie A :
    Scroll to 0:17 – JA taken to cell smiling:

    Great minds Chrissie 🙂 LOL

  33. MMD
    03/14/2013 at 9:11 pm

    donchais :
    Heard he reads Denis the Menace and Archie comics also.

    Too funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  34. 03/14/2013 at 9:16 pm

    She bought a ticket to Cancun.

    • donchais
      03/14/2013 at 9:19 pm

      Lots of folks saying that, but believe nobody has shown there is actually proof of that..the twitter records kinda merged on a couple reports is what I came to understand.

    • Karen
      03/14/2013 at 9:20 pm

      Before or after she murdered Travis Alexander 3 times “in self defense”?

  35. MMD
    03/14/2013 at 9:26 pm

    Dr. Drew’s panel has a new diagnosis – soap opera amnesia!!!!!!!! Love it 🙂

  36. Ci Ci's Circle
    03/14/2013 at 9:29 pm

    Watch Dr. Drew tonight. He gave his opinion of this so-called doctor and blew his testimony out of the water about Global Amnesia! Dr. Drew was really put out by this guys testiphony.

  37. MMD
    03/14/2013 at 9:30 pm

    I would have so much respect for an expert who just got on the stand and said “she lied and she’s still lying. She’s making it up as she goes”.

  38. Ci Ci's Circle
    03/14/2013 at 9:30 pm

    Oh….and by the way the Yappers already got wind of the fine this doctor was charged with back in 2000!!

  39. 03/14/2013 at 9:37 pm

    D, thank god for DVR. When JM put up the gas purchases on the overhead I saw a Priceline purchase for a plane ticket. HLN’s damn quadruple screen graphics blocked out the whole sentence, I forget exactly who told me it was for Cancun, but I think I kinda remember it might have been for Cancun, I think.

    • donchais
      03/14/2013 at 9:55 pm

      That’s the problem we’re all having…no clear picture where the plane ticket was for…some think to Mesa for the memorial service…dunno!

  40. 03/14/2013 at 9:45 pm

    I believe the unobstructed receipt can be seen on Youtube.

    • donchais
      03/14/2013 at 9:55 pm

      site addy? Thanks much!

  41. MMD
    03/14/2013 at 9:55 pm

    Check out twitter picture

    chris stark
    ‏@stark3923
    #JodiArias BANK STATEMENT pic.twitter.com/decNijHNc0

    • donchais
      03/14/2013 at 9:58 pm

      Thanks, CT means city on the statement…we just don’t know which one!

  42. MMD
    03/14/2013 at 9:59 pm

    Put it in browser and it shows bank statement We’ll see,,,,,,,,,

  43. MMD
    03/14/2013 at 10:00 pm

    donchais :
    Thanks, CT means city on the statement…we just don’t know which one!

    Apparently CT is where Priceline is located.

  44. 03/14/2013 at 10:06 pm

    Also, she said she had two accounts: a business and personal. When she filled up in SLC which account was it on? I’m leaning toward personal. But does anyone know for sure? BC that would contradict her previous statements, and would be Bombshell argument in closing.

    HLN’s After Dark is like during the OJ trial when E re-enacted the days testimony…Milking that cash cow.

  45. Chrissie A
    03/14/2013 at 10:11 pm

    MMD :

    donchais :
    Thanks, CT means city on the statement…we just don’t know which one!

    Apparently CT is where Priceline is located.

    Problem is we can’t see a date, plus she had 2 accounts. (One for business and one personal). Just because this is posted after the gas it could be a charge a month or so later,
    it’s tough to say without the date.

  46. MMD
    03/14/2013 at 10:15 pm

    John Larson ‏@jslarson9
    @stark3923 Interesting on bank statement Priceline a ticket from Sacramento to Cancun rd trip on United is $236 plus tax

  47. Nancy Pennington
    03/14/2013 at 10:21 pm

    I don’t think the ticket was to Cancun BUT if it was here are two thoughts..1. Did she buy the ticket and then when she showed up in Mesa (my thought, uninvited) tells Travis that she had her ticket to Cancun and he tells her that she is not invited and that is what pissed her off so bad to then kill him OR did she buy the ticket planning to show up in Cancun, go to his hotel room unannounced to seduce him. If the ticket was actually for Cancun, I wonder if she got her money back>LOL. Maybe she used it to pay her own way to AZ for her trial.ROFLMAO!

  48. kristin
    03/14/2013 at 10:21 pm

    Thank you donchais for the most excellent recap. I couldn’t keep interest watching the trial. I knew you would be there to make sense of it all! As for this expert today, ya JA probably let him stick his disco stick in her butt to come up with his diagnosis.

  49. Observer
    03/14/2013 at 10:23 pm

    I usually avoid HLN because of the defense attorneys BS. Dr. Drew I’ll watch because he is a shrink and his defense attorney cohost Lisa Bloom makes fun of Jodi. She doesn’t defend her.

    Dr. Drew said PTSD doesn’t cause memory loss and the rare amnesia Dr. Samuels was talking about was a medical condition, not a psychological condition. He said that amnesia is caused by medication, patients get confused and have to go to the hospital.

    Tonight Lisa called Jodi Dr. Jeckyl and Mrs. Hyde and said she went from a platinum blonde in provocative clothing to a schoolgirl with stringy bangs. She also made fun of the shrink because he said Jodi had this rare amnesia which could be caused by having sex or taking a shower. She also said the reason Jodi has nobody to talk to is she killed her boyfriend. She said like I thought that the PTSD diagnosis doesn’t help the defense because Dr. Quack says the PTSD was caused by killing Travis.

    Judge Karen Mills, who used to be a defense attorney, was disgusted at the defense and Dr. Samuel’s testimony and gave “the quack” an F.

  50. 03/14/2013 at 10:34 pm

    During the OJ trial I called Bloomingdales and spoke to a glove salesman who told me that if the Aris Isotoner leather size extra large didn’t fit a large man’s hands, then there wasn’t a glove that would fit that hand. And OJ claimed those gloves, that he had been photographed in, were too tight. Point is: that ticket can’t be that hard to pin down, with a little investigation. I’d do it but I’m tired these days and lack the motivation.

  51. 03/14/2013 at 10:37 pm

    Do not think I will ever be able to go back home to N. CA and watch “the fog” roll in and love it like I used to.
    Thanks a lot you skanky b@&ch and the more I watch the more I know that Travis’ family deserves so much more than this. Just one excuse after another. Now she is going to let a psychologist define who she is to save her sorry ass.
    Enough snarly, time for an attitude adjustment.

  52. Lisa M
    03/14/2013 at 10:51 pm

    Jose Baez also claimed that Casey Anthony was diagnosed by his “experts” as having PTSD. He put this in his book and Dr. Phil asked him about it when he was on the show a few weeks ago. Dr. Phil challenged him and said that PTSD is not how he was presenting it in the book, as something that would make you forget or block out memories but rather it makes you recall memories repeatedly. Sounds like defense attorneys love to subvert PTSD and use it to their advantage. Honestly it’s an insult to the people that actually have it. I’m not worried about this guy’s testimony. I think the jury has enough skepticism to recognize this is a theory that dovetails too much with her theory. Some people think he was effective today but I think it’s too little too late. I don’t think anything other than a mistrial could turn this train around at this point.

  53. Chrissie A
    03/14/2013 at 10:55 pm

    Nancy Pennington :
    I don’t think the ticket was to Cancun BUT if it was here are two thoughts..1. Did she buy the ticket and then when she showed up in Mesa (my thought, uninvited) tells Travis that she had her ticket to Cancun and he tells her that she is not invited and that is what pissed her off so bad to then kill him OR did she buy the ticket planning to show up in Cancun, go to his hotel room unannounced to seduce him. If the ticket was actually for Cancun, I wonder if she got her money back>LOL. Maybe she used it to pay her own way to AZ for her trial.ROFLMAO!

    Or to go after Mimi Hall? She bought that 9mm for a reason other than the bs camping story

  54. Chrissie A
    03/14/2013 at 11:08 pm

    MMD :

    You’ve probably seen this, but I wanted to share 🙂
    PRE MED 1ST DEGREE PROVEN HERE:

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/lach1h

  55. Janet
    03/14/2013 at 11:10 pm

    GN5020 :
    I hope Martinez asks Samuels the following questions:
    1. In a fight or flight mode where you are able to function to get away without remembering your actions, would that also include stopping to deliberately delete digital photos showing the crime scene?
    2. Could someone read the DSM-IV and mimic the criteria for PTSD and Acute Stress Disorder if they wanted to use it as a way to rationalize cold-blooded murder?
    3. Is there any scientific test to prove whether someone truly has a disassociative state or memory loss due to trauma, or are simply lying?
    4. Have there ever been defendants on trial for murder who have falsely claimed this type of memory loss to avoid answering questions about the crime?
    I’m just getting started … I hope Martinez makes mincemeat of this pompous poser.

    @GN5020- Excellent questions! Wish we could e-mail them to JM!! Hoping he wouldn’t be offended by them of course! Is it his turn Monday? I hope he crawls up his ass, grabs his tail, and turns him inside out!!! This has got to be the worse ambush I have ever seen! Please Jm tear this Gus2 a knew one!!! Put “Polyanna” back in her place with the jury!! She won’t be smiling for long…I sure hope the jury was hearing “blah, blah, blah the whole time! Geesh what a waste of State money!!

  56. Schaeffer
    03/15/2013 at 1:02 am

    I’ll bet amnesia wasn’t the first thing Jodi caught something from sex!

  57. kristin
    03/15/2013 at 1:41 am

    Schaeffer, I like how you think lol!

  58. Chrissie A
    03/15/2013 at 1:47 am

    Schaeffer :
    I’ll bet amnesia wasn’t the first thing Jodi caught something from sex!

    Hence the herp on her lip.

  59. Chrissie A
    03/15/2013 at 3:27 am

    There is a hearing scheduled tomorrow (today) at 9:30 am – I think it may be televised:

    http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/calendar/calList.asp?ID=3604&startdate=3/15/2013&length=1

  60. janetlynn
    03/15/2013 at 6:01 am

    M O T H E R OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really? Really?
    Just finished watching it on the pvr.
    He doesn’t do private clients because he’s “over it” donchais.

    Thanks for the answers to my questions everyone. Will catch up with you this weekend I hope.

  61. janetlynn
    03/15/2013 at 6:11 am

    donchais, could you please post the link to JM cross examining the guy on the stand for murder? you posted it a while back and I can’t find it. Thanks!

  62. ritanita
    03/15/2013 at 6:43 am

    Good Morning Donchais, all! I’m now going to have to start taping HLN from NG on to get any post-trial commentary! I fell asleep 5 minutes into NG.

    I just watched Dr. Drew and agree with Judge Mills. He is a disgrace to his profession. After a very bad experience, I went to see a therapist because I was very shaky for days. I sat with her for an hour and explained my situation. At the end of the hour, she told me I had PTSD. I was shocked by the DX as I’ve always been known to handle crisis situations better than the average person.

    It took 7 years for me to “get over” my very mild PTSD. One of the biggest features was that I was having flashbacks to the traumatic event which would send me off-kilter. I could remember every detail, even though I just wanted to forget about it and move on.

    Even now, 13 years later, I can no longer remember the names, the exact times, etc., but I can remember the room I was in, the curtains, the pattern of the floor.

    Dr. “Gus” bothered me the most when he read through the DSM and read all the criteria for PTSD and apportioned 99% of them to Jodi. He saw her 12 times between 2009 and 1013. Did he ever test her for any other conditions? The symptoms of PTSD can apply to any number of diagnoses. Second, he uses each of those attributes to a specific behavior Jodi evinced. That was way too much!

    I have no doubt that Juan will shred him quite well. As for the transient transglobal amnesia business, I’m so glad that Dr. Drew’s shrinks pointed out it is a medical condition, not a psychological condition. It is very, very rare!

    If Jodi had PTSD from the murder, she’d wake at night, screaming and sweating. If she had PTSD, she’d have panic attacks whenever reminded of the event. Nope, nada, zilch… her little fog settles over her and gives her peace. If she had PTSD, whenever Juan shouted at her, she would have truly been shaking and unable to even voice her little snarkisms!

    I do hope we get to see the hearing today. I don’t want premeditated vs. crime of passion to be discussed in wolves’ clothing!

  63. Observer
    03/15/2013 at 8:30 am

    You can tell the quack was paid to make the jury feel sorry for Jodi. He said she had low self esteem, was depressed and suicidal when he interviewed her from 2009 and then she gained confidence over the 12 visits in three years. Jodi didn’t look like she had low self esteem or was depressed or suicidal or having flashbacks of slashing Travis to death when she smiled in her mug shot after she was arrested. She looked like she had just won the lottery.

    Jodi also didn’t look or act suicidal when she gave six or more interviews on national and Phoenix TV channels in 2008, 2009 and 2010. She looked like a model who just came out of hair and makeup and was posing for the cameras. She came across seductive, cocky and smug as she smiled and laughed about how she would never hurt Travis. She cooed in her little girl voice that she loved him and they had a perfect relationship. She told 48 Hours she smiled in her mug shot because she was thinking of Travis and that is something Travis would have done. She also said she didn’t take her arrest seriously and felt she would be out in a few days because she was innocent.

    If she was depressed, suicidal, had PTSD she couldn’t have gone before the TV cameras. She did the interviews because she thought no one would believe a young, beautiful, soft spoken chick who loved her man would plunge a knife in him 29 times, slit his throat and shoot him in the head. She didn’t look depressed or suicidal or like she had PTSD when she said confidently that no jury would convict her because she was innocent and two Ninjas with a gun and knife had killed Travis and let her go but threatened her and her family. She was smiling and laughing and talking like Travis was not even dead.

  64. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 8:40 am

    Chrissie A :
    There is a hearing scheduled tomorrow (today) at 9:30 am – I think it may be televised:
    http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/calendar/calList.asp?ID=3604&startdate=3/15/2013&length=1

    Oh Chrissie – I so hope that it is televised! The defense got caught with their pants down yesterday and I hope that along with arguments, the judge tears them a new one. (I trust must have PTSAT cause I HATE that expression!!!!) I thought that Willmott at least tried to fake that she had more respect for the court. Obviously I was wrong! She just hides it better than that sloth Wurmi.(no offense to the actual animal)

  65. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 9:04 am

    Observer :
    You can tell the quack was paid to make the jury feel sorry for Jodi. He said she had low self esteem, was depressed and suicidal

    I think it is called the “Oh crap, I got caught and now what the hell am I gonna do” syndrome. I think some expert once said that. LOL Her “ok, now how can I work this to my advantage” syndrome hadn’t quite kicked in yet.

    See folks, there is a syndrome for everything as I’m sure Dr. Quack will attest to if paid!!!

    Now, not being a career criminal, I would have the tendency to tell the attorney and my dr the complete truth, thinking that would be the only way they could help me. But alas, I am not JA who hasn’t actually met the “truth” in her lifetime!!!!!

    While she is on death row, maybe she could start taking courses or reading about the truth. It really is a lot easier than trying to remember which lie she told who. It could be an experiment – can a pathological liar actually recognize the truth? (betcha Dr. Quack could get a grant for that!) Something to work on while I fire up the chair………………..but I digress

  66. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 9:06 am

    correction – comment #74 – (I truly must have PTSAT………..

  67. Lisa M
    03/15/2013 at 10:16 am

    Donchais, I just read that Debra Milke’s (sp?) conviction was overturned. Here’s the link:
    http://myfox8.com/2013/03/15/womans-murder-conviction-death-sentence-overturned-in-ariz/

  68. Observer
    03/15/2013 at 10:17 am

    MMD :

    Observer :You can tell the quack was paid to make the jury feel sorry for Jodi. He said she had low self esteem, was depressed and suicidal

    I think it is called the “Oh crap, I got caught and now what the hell am I gonna do” syndrome. I think some expert once said that. LOL Her “ok, now how can I work this to my advantage” syndrome hadn’t quite kicked in yet.
    See folks, there is a syndrome for everything as I’m sure Dr. Quack will attest to if paid!!!

    LMAO You are so right.

  69. katz63md
    03/15/2013 at 10:58 am

    Watching Fox, segment on JA. She is doing head stands, singing, laughing at nothing, going through the trash can, talking to herself about she should have at least done her make up, all while the detective was out of the room. This was right before she was booked that day. Never seen that before. She is a freaky-deek. Hate to say this, but I really do think she is insane.

  70. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 11:09 am

    katz63md :
    Hate to say this, but I really do think she is insane.

    Wonder if Dr. Quack has a syndrome for that – oh wait, I forgot, she’s innocent and expects to walk out, not be committed!!! Plus we can’t expect the AZ taxpayers to pay any more for this useless piece of waste!

  71. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 11:10 am

    katz63md :
    Watching Fox, segment on JA.

    Wish I could have seen that though! LOL

  72. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 11:16 am

    Chrissie – found a place that is streaming it! YAY!!!!!!!!

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial

    There is an evidentiary hearing scheduled to start at 9:30 am PT in the #JodiArias trial. Tune in and watch it live! http://wildabouttrial.com/videos/jodi-arias-live-stream.html

  73. NancyB
    03/15/2013 at 11:17 am

    I sure hope that Judge Stephens does not allow them to enter this info through the back door. This is equivalent to the sleezy defense and their “expert” to advocating for a 2nd degree murder charge being added for the jury to choose from. Which is what her ridiculous demand to the prosecution to “make a deal” was calling for back then.It would be so wrong to allow this.

  74. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 11:21 am

    NancyB :
    I sure hope that Judge Stephens does not allow them to enter this info through the back door. This is equivalent to the sleezy defense and their “expert” to advocating for a 2nd degree murder charge being added for the jury to choose from. Which is what her ridiculous demand to the prosecution to “make a deal” was calling for back then.It would be so wrong to allow this.

    I don’t think you would get an argument from anyone here on that Nancy!

  75. itsafigment
    03/15/2013 at 11:23 am

    It is clear they know their self defense is BS so they are trying to “back door:” thru an unqualified expert (btw he was fined and censured in NJ for “bartering” with a dentist to say the dentists wife was incompetent to care for their child in a custody case., unethical etc. THAT is why he moved to Az. Additionally PTSD doesn’t happen at will or immediately. It is pure garbage but if the Judge allows his testimony re “reactionary” that will screw up the trial for sure although I fully expect Martinez to take this guy apart and the state has their own expert. I would gladly administer the injection , also those autoposy pics which turn my stomach will be poster size in the jury room!

  76. katz63md
  77. Nienna
    03/15/2013 at 11:26 am

    katz63md :
    Watching Fox, segment on JA. She is doing head stands, singing, laughing at nothing, going through the trash can, talking to herself about she should have at least done her make up, all while the detective was out of the room. This was right before she was booked that day. Never seen that before. She is a freaky-deek. Hate to say this, but I really do think she is insane.

    Is there a link for this somewhere?

  78. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 11:26 am

    katz63md :
    MMD – Here you go. Enjoy!

    Thanks darlin’ 🙂

  79. ritanita
    03/15/2013 at 11:31 am

    Hope I did this right! It’s the video mentioned above.

  80. ritanita
    03/15/2013 at 11:32 am

    Did it wrong, but check out Post # 86 for the link. Back to my homework!

  81. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 11:36 am

    katz63md :
    MMD – Here you go. Enjoy!

    OMG too funny katz – she really is a loon (once again, no disrespect to the bird). And singing about changing her memory 🙂 What would have completed it is if she put the trash can over her head because that is what she is effectively trying to do by hiding behind self defense

    BTW, I haven’t seen Bill Hemmer since he left CNN. He’s almost 50 by now and finally starting to look older than 21. It’s like time stands still with him! I wish I had his genes..

  82. Rache
    03/15/2013 at 11:45 am

    katz63md :
    MMD – Here you go. Enjoy!
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2228330829001/accused-murderer-jodi-arias-bizarre-behavior-caught-on-tape/

    Everybody here has got to watch this. What a piece of work she is.

  83. Observer
    03/15/2013 at 11:58 am

    I’m not surprised Jodi Arias was doing headstands, laughing, worrying about not having her makeup on and singing after she is arrested for murder. She even said on national TV she smiled in her mug shot because she didn’t take her arrest seriously. She said she knew she would be out in a few days because she was innocent.

    It’s typical psychopathic behavior. Committing murder and trying to outsmart, the cops, prosecutors and jurors is a game to psychopaths. They don’t have a conscience, fear or empathy like the normal person. That’s why she could plan, execute and cover up the brutal murder of the man whom she felt done her wrong.

    Only a psychopath could stab her ex lover 29 times, slit his throat, shoot him in the head and be in the arms of a new lover a few hours later.

  84. Janeto
    03/15/2013 at 11:59 am

    katz63md :MMD – Here you go. Enjoy!
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2228330829001/accused-murderer-jodi-arias-bizarre-behavior-caught-on-tape/

    Wow! did they show the jury this??? I think that’s what Fox said, but wasn’t sure! OMG!!! Of course, what should be expect from this $%#$%!!!! You all should see this link! donchais, after Gus2 yesterday, I’m still wearing my foil hat!! LOL!!!

  85. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 12:03 pm

    Observer :
    Only a psychopath could stab her ex lover 29 times, slit his throat, shoot him in the head and be in the arms of a new lover a few hours later.

    And don’t forget have a shower with her dead lover to clean the blood off both of them! (I know that is not fact, but it’s my current working theory) Truly sicko!!!!!!!!!!!

  86. NancyB
    03/15/2013 at 12:06 pm

    One of the juror questions asked if she was in the fog when she was kissing Ryan and she answered a succinct yes. Then how does she remember that she was making out with him or able to deny “adjusting him” as Ryan described her doing? One of the many slips that Juan’s non-linear style caused.

  87. Janeto
    03/15/2013 at 12:06 pm

    MMD & donchais My other comment, I swear I was on day 32! I was on my phone, so I’m not sure! Thanks for letting me know MMD! Yes, new name. And MMD, yep! My PTSD “hineybutt”!!!! I will sure catch the evidentiary hearing. I’ve gone to that link chrissie sent “wild about trial”, but all it says is no court today. Resumes Monday…..??

  88. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 12:06 pm

    Janeto :
    Of course, what should be expect from this $%#$%!!!! You all should see this link! donchais, after Gus2 yesterday, I’m still wearing my foil hat!! LOL!!!

    ROFL – does your foil hat have antennas??? Mind does, I’m old school 🙂

  89. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 12:10 pm

    Janeto :
    If you look on the right of the site you will see this tweet. Just refresh you page when it gets close to the time.
    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
    There is an evidentiary hearing scheduled to start at 9:30 am PT in the #JodiArias trial. Tune in and watch it live! http://wildabouttrial.com/videos/jodi-arias-live-stream.html

  90. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 12:12 pm

    Janeto – they have already updated the top of the page about the hearing.

  91. NancyB
    03/15/2013 at 12:13 pm

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial

    Just was contacted by the Maricopa Superior Court, the hearing for today has been rescheduled to Monday at 10:15 am.

  92. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 12:14 pm

    NancyB :
    One of the juror questions asked if she was in the fog when she was kissing Ryan and she answered a succinct yes. Then how does she remember that she was making out with him or able to deny “adjusting him” as Ryan described her doing? One of the many slips that Juan’s non-linear style caused.

    Excellent point 🙂

  93. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 12:15 pm

    NancyB :
    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
    Just was contacted by the Maricopa Superior Court, the hearing for today has been rescheduled to Monday at 10:15 am.

    Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 😦

  94. Chrissie A
    03/15/2013 at 12:17 pm

    MMD :
    Chrissie – found a place that is streaming it! YAY!!!!!!!!
    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
    There is an evidentiary hearing scheduled to start at 9:30 am PT in the #JodiArias trial. Tune in and watch it live! http://wildabouttrial.com/videos/jodi-arias-live-stream.html

    Thanks MMD! 🙂

  95. Janeto
    03/15/2013 at 12:17 pm

    @MMD!! O.k., on the right day now! sorry! And YES my foil hat has antennas!!! LMAO!!
    Post from wrong day! Duh!!
    Irrelevant b.s.!!!!! PTSD my “hineybutt.” 1st of all, Thank you all for serving our country those of you that have! For those that truly have PTSD, I feel for you! She doesn’t have that n we all know it! And I truly believe she has NO memory gap of that murder! She knows exactly what occurred, when, how , & why!! She is smart on manipulation, & lying only! She’s pretty clueless otherwise! Pretends to be smarter than she is!! I’m with you MMD. I’d give her the needle myself, for free!!!! I hope JM rips Samuels a new one so he can be a 3 hole wonder like JA!! I wish JA would screw up so royally, opens that big mouth of hers, that leaves no doubt about remembering that day!!

  96. donchais
    03/15/2013 at 12:20 pm

    damnit  
    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
    Just was contacted by the Maricopa Superior Court, the hearing for today has been rescheduled to Monday at 10:15 am. #JodiArias

  97. Janeto
    03/15/2013 at 12:23 pm

    MMD :

    Janeto :If you look on the right of the site you will see this tweet. Just refresh you page when it gets close to the time.WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrialThere is an evidentiary hearing scheduled to start at 9:30 am PT in the #JodiArias trial. Tune in and watch it live! http://wildabouttrial.com/videos/jodi-arias-live-stream.html

    As always MMD. Thanks…donchais, my comments are doing that flakey thing again!! Ca’t see what I’m typing and everything floats up!

  98. Chrissie A
    03/15/2013 at 12:25 pm

    katz63md :
    MMD – Here you go. Enjoy!
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2228330829001/accused-murderer-jodi-arias-bizarre-behavior-caught-on-tape/

    Wow!! I hope the jurors get to see this! PTSD my arse!

  99. Janeto
    03/15/2013 at 12:26 pm

    Well hell! The hearing has been rescheduled to Monday 10:15 How much more of these delays can happen??? Damn!!

  100. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 12:32 pm

    Folks, I read somewhere that they don’t expect this trial to end until at least mid April. I don’t know about anyone else, but I may be off my rocker by then 😦

  101. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 12:38 pm

    Janeto – I really like that word “hineybutt”! May I borrow it some time or do you have it trademarked? I’m not a big fan of a** but will use it if pressed.

    • janeto
      03/15/2013 at 3:05 pm

      @MMD- sure you can use hineybutt. 🙂 no trademark here! But u & I trademarked antennas on our foil hats!! Lmao@!!

  102. Chrissie A
    03/15/2013 at 12:46 pm

    donchais :
    damnit  
    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
    Just was contacted by the Maricopa Superior Court, the hearing for today has been rescheduled to Monday at 10:15 am. #JodiArias

    Ugh! Hardly got any zzz’s ‘cos of this, plus I just ate a handful of M&M’s to perk me up – Now I’m tired with a sugar rush!

  103. 03/15/2013 at 12:46 pm

    Well pashaw, I was all set to watch. Listening to a recap of Samuels stating that JA answered questions on the PTSD test and yes a perdon can lie on the questions. WHAT THE HECK!!!!!!!! Does he think she would be honest when all she had done was lie??? What year was his precious edition of DSM-IV published. He does not want to get a newer version would that make him read newer information? I am hard pressed to consider him an expert. Anyone of us would be able to diagnose her.

  104. 03/15/2013 at 12:52 pm

    Chrissie A – you are a hoot ;0). Regular or peanut M&M’s. Love those peanuts.

  105. 03/15/2013 at 12:53 pm

    donchais :STOP THE PRESSES! DSM has just issued a new diagnosis, PTSAT (Post Trauma Stress Arias Trial). Diagnosed early enough, patients can expect a full recovery, albeit a slow recovery. Physicians around the world suggest taking two goofy pills and avoiding all things Arias related for 12 hours. As always, check with your physician for possible side effects. This has been a Public Service announcement!

    I swear that is why there is no court on Fridays! So we have the weekend to recover!! 🙂

  106. katz63md
    03/15/2013 at 12:56 pm

    Janeto :

    katz63md :MMD – Here you go. Enjoy!
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2228330829001/accused-murderer-jodi-arias-bizarre-behavior-caught-on-tape/

    Wow! did they show the jury this??? I think that’s what Fox said, but wasn’t sure! OMG!!! Of course, what should be expect from this $%#$%!!!! You all should see this link! donchais, after Gus2 yesterday, I’m still wearing my foil hat!! LOL!!!

    No, they won’t show it to the jury. Would be interesting if they would. They are playing it on Fox about once an hour. 🙂

  107. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 12:59 pm

    missjocool :

    donchais :STOP THE PRESSES! DSM has just issued a new diagnosis, PTSAT (Post Trauma Stress Arias Trial). Diagnosed early enough, patients can expect a full recovery, albeit a slow recovery. Physicians around the world suggest taking two goofy pills and avoiding all things Arias related for 12 hours. As always, check with your physician for possible side effects. This has been a Public Service announcement!

    I swear that is why there is no court on Fridays! So we have the weekend to recover!!

    That’s the problem though! We don’t recover, we obsess and get angry and more frustrated as the weekend progresses. Thankfully our awesome host donchais, provides us with this site.

    I actually had a dream last night that I was getting hammered by JM (and not in the way I would like) and woke up with a start. No lie!

  108. 03/15/2013 at 1:03 pm

    If I remember correctly, that Priceline charge is for her rental vehicle. She scheduled the rental through Priceline.

  109. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 1:03 pm

    I don’t know about anyone else but I’m not fit to be around any of my friends when court is not in session. They don’t want to hear it. I need to be around my justice for TA peeps 🙂

    • Karen
      03/15/2013 at 1:12 pm

      I know the feeling you want to discuss it but no one wants to listen my husband tunes me out.

  110. 03/15/2013 at 1:03 pm

    Hmmmm pondering… the Good Doctor kept saying that ppl with PTSD are generally service men & woman (thank you for your service ♥) and police (and another thank you for service ♥). Now usually (not always mind you, but usually) these 2 groups of people fall in the catagory of having a strong moral compass. So I believe that the trauma of killing would be highly stressful & truly could result in a disorder such as this. Honestly, after 18 days & then seeing the video link that katz posted. There is no moral compass in that girl. She’s a giant fruitcake! And we all know what we do with fruitcake… WE THROW IT OUT! Just sayin…. lol
    Haven’t gotten caught up on every1’s comment, but so far they have been gr8, as usual.

  111. Anna Eaton
    03/15/2013 at 1:04 pm

    Rache :

    katz63md :
    MMD – Here you go. Enjoy!
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2228330829001/accused-murderer-jodi-arias-bizarre-behavior-caught-on-tape/

    Everybody here has got to watch this. What a piece of work she is.

    Why haven’t we seen this before? Was it held back for later? Good gravy, she is completely in her own little wicked world. Surprised she didn’t ask Scottie to beam her up, and quick like! This segment should open with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5aW08ivHU

  112. Chrissie A
    03/15/2013 at 1:09 pm

    Don’t mean to be crass here, but I’ve seen a lot of discussion as to why she didn’t get herself pregnant to entrap Travis. Someone bought up a really good point last night, that is maybe why Travis decided to go in the backdoor and not her vajayjay?

  113. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 1:14 pm

    Karen – yeah, my dogs provide no feedback whatsoever 😦

  114. Chrissie A
    03/15/2013 at 1:17 pm

    Vickee :
    Chrissie A – you are a hoot ;0). Regular or peanut M&M’s. Love those peanuts.

    Only had the regular, but I’m with you on the peanuts 🙂

  115. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 1:18 pm

    Chrissie A :
    maybe why Travis decided to go in the backdoor and not her vajayjay?

    I’ve seen the unedited photos of said vajayjay and it aint pretty! That could also be a reason.

  116. 03/15/2013 at 1:20 pm

    So, been reading up on PTSD various sites and they all have recommended counseling, support groups and medication to deal with symptoms. Did JA ever get counseling/meds, or did she just learn that she has PTSD? I am of the mind set that she had prior info on this subject. His second opinion was another test instead of bringing in another doctor to evaluate her. Another piece of manipulation on her part.

  117. Chrissie A
    03/15/2013 at 1:24 pm

    MMD :

    Chrissie A :
    maybe why Travis decided to go in the backdoor and not her vajayjay?

    I’ve seen the unedited photos of said vajayjay and it aint pretty! That could also be a reason.

    That thing is nasty!!! Vaginal rejuvenation would have been a better way to go than the boob job.

  118. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 1:35 pm

    Vickee :
    Did JA ever get counseling/meds, or did she just learn that she has PTSD? I am of the mind set that she had prior info on this subject. Another piece of manipulation on her part.

    She no more has PTSD than my dog or wait for it, my toilet has it!!! (which is where her testiphony belongs) She has put her time in jail to good use at the library. She probably knows more than the experts at this point.

    As for Dr. Quack, maybe he can use the weekend to take a refresher course in reading! I wonder if JM will even bother to waste time on him or let the jury reach the same conclusions we have. I’m sure they no more believe him than we do.

    I’m loving that Dr. Quack’s previous history in NJ is all over the internet. I wonder how he will feel knowing that he is a laughing stock when he gets back on the witness stand on Monday.

  119. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 1:36 pm

    Chrissie A :

    MMD :

    Chrissie A :
    maybe why Travis decided to go in the backdoor and not her vajayjay?

    I’ve seen the unedited photos of said vajayjay and it aint pretty! That could also be a reason.

    That thing is nasty!!! Vaginal rejuvenation would have been a better way to go than the boob job.

    Agreed!

  120. Chrissie A
    03/15/2013 at 1:36 pm

    Live chat link on HLN – Talking amnesia and PTSD – I’ve just logged in as Gailee:
    http://www.livenewschat.tv/twoon/

  121. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 1:39 pm

    Chrissie – plus we only have JA’s word that the backdoor was his preference. After all he called her a three hole wonder so the back door could have been her preference.

    Then again, he could have been worried about STD’s since said vajayjay was well used and he knew it.

  122. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 1:49 pm

    Chrissie – I’m logged in as Daisy

  123. kristin
    03/15/2013 at 2:16 pm

    Omg MMD and Chrissie! You guys are hilarious! The edited pics of her twazzer were more than I could barely stomach! I’m not against sexy time pics but JA proved she is no lady but rather a pig. I bet if she read this blog she would be more upset with the criticism of her her crotch and not bothered at all by criticism of her character!

  124. kristin
    03/15/2013 at 2:30 pm

    OK that police interrogation video of JA doing a handstand is crazy. Too bad the jury will never see it because THAT is who she really is. More concerned about make up than the fact she is under interrogation for murder! Was she digging through the trash looking for a story to concoct?

  125. Anna Eaton
    03/15/2013 at 2:32 pm

    kristin :
    Omg MMD and Chrissie! You guys are hilarious! The edited pics of her twazzer were more than I could barely stomach! I’m not against sexy time pics but JA proved she is no lady but rather a pig. I bet if she read this blog she would be more upset with the criticism of her her crotch and not bothered at all by criticism of her character!

    She’s still mad she didn’t put makeup on that too!

  126. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 2:39 pm

    Anna Eaton :

    kristin :
    Omg MMD and Chrissie! You guys are hilarious! The edited pics of her twazzer were more than I could barely stomach! I’m not against sexy time pics but JA proved she is no lady but rather a pig. I bet if she read this blog she would be more upset with the criticism of her her crotch and not bothered at all by criticism of her character!

    She’s still mad she didn’t put makeup on that too!

    lol Chrissie and I are on http://www.livenewschat.tv/twoon/ as Gailee and Daisy. Join us. I don’t know that the hell I’m doing 😦

  127. 03/15/2013 at 2:45 pm

    Does anyone know where I can find footage of Juan;s cross from wednesday? I can’t find it on Youtube. Thanks.

  128. Marilyn N
    03/15/2013 at 2:55 pm

    bubblebutts :
    Does anyone know where I can find footage of Juan;s cross from wednesday? I can’t find it on Youtube. Thanks.

    Is this it?
    Jodi Arias Trial – Day 30 – Part 3

  129. 03/15/2013 at 3:40 pm

    I hope Jodi doesnt mistake the prosecuters generosity for a sign of weakness…..He’s awesome and he won’t let her wiggle out of it with a foggy memory. I certainly enjoy watching the way he makes her brain scramble. At times, she seems so sarcastic and smarky, like she’s got it all in the bag…
    🙂

  130. Jesi223
    03/15/2013 at 3:56 pm

    HEY! What do you think about the news about Samuels? I for one find it very interesting and hilarious to know that they put someone up as an expert witness that the prosecution can prove isn’t trustworthy and will make decisions without even interviewing or examining someone! Also, this SAMUELS character says that over a course of 4 years he’s met with AriASS 12 times. He also says she was lying half of the time. So that’s to say that he can make valid assumptions and diagnoses based on believing what someone says presumably over 4 years in 6 meetings….even though they lied to you the previous six times you’ve met. And to wrap that thought up, the jury has been observing AriASS since the beginning of trial and then basically got to know the person she is for almost twenty days while she was on the stand spewing pea soup, so it’s safe to say that now that they have seen her, be arrogant, disrespectful, a smartass, laugh & smile (although she is on trial for murder, I know we would all be pretty chipper in this situation so why not giggle a little right?) and fumble for a story that will not make her look like the demon she is-to no avail, they pretty much know her better than Samuels did/ does anyway-besides the fact that he isn’t very credible and presented an “illness” that occurs in every 3-8 in 100,000. ISSUE- when some scumbag who thinks Jodi will be free to come try kinky sex with him brought up the false report on Travis that actually turned out to be his brother, the defense wanted to bring that into evidence. Too bad it wasn’t him morons, but, with the same emphasis the prosecution can send witness one to the chair with Jodi for being a beady eyed demon Jodi look alike, with some lies behind himself-saying he left his practice because he was “over it” really? we found other reasons buddy on record too:) In conclusion it would have made my life if Martinez would have asked her if she was gonna pistol whip Travis with the empty gun since she is super fast and strong like superman but my life will suffice with throw it at him, I mean let be real pistol whipping isn’t her style we saw his she likes to tenderize her meat.

  131. Jesi223
    03/15/2013 at 4:00 pm

    **I meant, letS* be real…and we saw HOW* <– spelling mistakes at the end, don't want to seem as stupid as AriASS

  132. Laine
    03/15/2013 at 4:02 pm

    Chrissie A :Don’t mean to be crass here, but I’ve seen a lot of discussion as to why she didn’t get herself pregnant to entrap Travis. Someone bought up a really good point last night, that is maybe why Travis decided to go in the backdoor and not her vajayjay?

    Thats a really good point Chrissie! and also…you have got to be a Greys fan!!! am I right!

  133. 03/15/2013 at 4:29 pm

    Thanks, I found the cross on youtube.

  134. Schaeffer
    03/15/2013 at 4:49 pm

    The knife used in the murder seems to be of great concern to the talking heads, but I don’t believe for one minute Jodi put it in the dishwasher. First, that knife had to have been heavily damaged, especially with the injuries to Travis’s skull. The ME said there were actual divots in his skull, so the tip was probably bent, if not broken off entirely, and she had to have nicked some ribs or the spine or the sternum; it is simply not possible that when stabbing Travis is such a frenzied manner, she managed to hit only muscle and tissue. The knife was probably damaged in other places, either bent or broken, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the blade and the handle even separated. Knives are not intended for repeatedly stabbing human beings. Also, she never said she ran the dishwasher, but even if she did or one of the roommates did so later, there have been countless instances of blood being retrieved from knives once they were dismantled. It is just too hard to get rid of all traces of blood; it seeps into every little crevice, and it can’t be done with bleach and/or dish soap. Also, why would she leave one murder weapon behind, when she took other incriminating evidence, including the rope, which apparently wasn’t even part of the murder?

    Assuming the story about using rope for bondage play is even true, I don’t believe Travis would have used a knife to cut it. She just made up that detail to place a knife in the room. It doesn’t make sense to saw silk-like cording with a knife. It is obvious from the precise organization of Travis’ closet and the rest of his house that he was a “right tool for the job” kind of guy, so he would have used scissors. In fact, the roommates said one of the things definitely amiss was the contents of the washing machine. They said Travis was extremely picky about separating his laundry, and there was no way he would have put his white undergarments in with the dark colored bedding. I can only assume he didn’t normally wash his digital camera, either. I agree with those who speculate she accidentally put the camera in the washing machine and only left it behind because couldn’t find it and had no more time to look for it. She had no idea the accidental photographs incriminating her were on there, but she definitely wanted those shower photos of Travis as souvenirs. She had elevated taking photos of him to her life’s work.

    I don’t think the jury is going to get hung up on not having the knife used as the murder weapon. One frequently hears prosecutors complain that with all the “Law & Order” type programming on TV, jurors expect to have photographic proof of the crime, and for once, they have it.

  135. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 4:53 pm

    Wow, I was just on the live chat on HLN with Chrissie and it is fast and furious but I missed my peeps here 😦

  136. Chrissie A
    03/15/2013 at 4:56 pm

    MMD :

    Anna Eaton :

    kristin :

    lol Chrissie and I are on http://www.livenewschat.tv/twoon/ as Gailee and Daisy. Join us. I don’t know that the hell I’m doing

    Well that was an anticlimax – never seen so many ads and hardly any talk about the trial – I did like SW though 🙂

    • Karen
      03/15/2013 at 11:26 pm

      Chrissie hello I was on the HLN news chat wesite today also as KT really enjoyed the instant chat there, I think you were referring to my twisted comments, as I find JA defense laughable at best. I am in total fear of the fog, so much so that I may develope amnesia and forget who or where I am at any given moment.

  137. Chrissie A
    03/15/2013 at 4:59 pm

    MMD :
    Wow, I was just on the live chat on HLN with Chrissie and it is fast and furious but I missed my peeps here

    Actually it was fun initially, i’m sure it will be better when Dr.Drew is on, thanks for joining me Daisy 🙂

  138. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 5:03 pm

    Chrissie – you’ll have to remind me what my name is the next time I go on as well as yours. I guess no one else from here wanted to play 😦

    • janeto
      03/15/2013 at 6:11 pm

      @MMD & Chrissie. Sorry, would have loved to “play” with you guys on HLN, but work was so busy, & since it puts food on the table, I HAD to do it! Gosh, sounds like fun! I hope I’m able to watch the trial next week. What I miss I know donchais will fill me in !!! I’m field tech, so I don’t stay in one place for very long. 😦 got company coming this weekend for all next week.also. So we’ll see. Don’t think I’m ignoring my peeps, cuz I love you guys!! You all keep me laughing, n everyone is so smart!!! I’ll comment when possible! 🙂

  139. Nienna
    03/15/2013 at 5:06 pm

    So it’s probably nothing but since I watched the video of Jodi after the Flores left the room and she was singing, I’ve been wondering what song it was. So I googled “it might change my memory” and got Dido’s song Here with Me.

    I think it’s rather creepy!!

    http://www.metrolyrics.com/here-with-me-lyrics-dido.html

  140. Chrissie A
    03/15/2013 at 5:14 pm

    MMD :
    Chrissie – you’ll have to remind me what my name is the next time I go on as well as yours. I guess no one else from here wanted to play

    Will do! I have no idea why I chose Gailee, I’d better put them both in my notepad. I’d like to go on there when Dr Drew or Beth Karas is on to see if the conversation is a bit more lively – you were holding the room together with your expertise and knowledge of the trial, where I was having trouble with my hippocampus lol! At least we kids are back here – at home with our peeps 🙂

  141. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 5:23 pm

    Chrissie – to tell you the truth, I am exhausted and have not one drop of info left in my brain about anything!!! The only good thing, besides the instant feedback, was because there were not that many there, I was able to keep track of who said what. I’d be lost with a lot of people. Here, we’re all pretty much on the same level as to where the case is going and all have the same info so it makes for an intelligent discussion.

  142. PK
    03/15/2013 at 5:29 pm

    Dr. Samuels failed to include in his curriculum vitae that he has been known to trade his “professional* services for other goods and/or services. Considering who his client is, only one possibility for trade comes to my mind and it would probably be too kinky even for him.

  143. Chrissie A
    03/15/2013 at 5:36 pm

    MMD :
    Chrissie – to tell you the truth, I am exhausted and have not one drop of info left in my brain about anything!!! The only good thing, besides the instant feedback, was because there were not that many there, I was able to keep track of who said what. I’d be lost with a lot of people. Here, we’re all pretty much on the same level as to where the case is going and all have the same info so it makes for an intelligent discussion.

    True, too many comments can get overlooked there and I also prefer the pace and intelligent convo on here. Plus now I have a backache as I stayed in one position too long constantly typing! Ibuprofen here I come! That’s what we get for having PTSAT 🙂

  144. NancyB
  145. Chrissie A
    03/15/2013 at 6:01 pm

    For all the PTSAT’s
    This is the first time I’ve seen any video of day 1- it has Juan in action but it’s missing the first few minutes. Courtesy of Elizabeth Holmes [incomplete] raw video footage from opening statements:

    http://www.kpho.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=8597432

  146. Chrissie A
    03/15/2013 at 6:26 pm

    Extended footage of the headstand video with new clips:

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2228988608001/

  147. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 6:33 pm

    janeto :
    @MMD & Chrissie. Sorry, would have loved to “play” with you guys on HLN, but work was so busy, & since it puts food on the table, I HAD to do it! Gosh, sounds like fun! I hope I’m able to watch the trial next week. What I miss I know donchais will fill me in !!! I’m field tech, so I don’t stay in one place for very long. got company coming this weekend for all next week.also. So we’ll see. Don’t think I’m ignoring my peeps, cuz I love you guys!! You all keep me laughing, n everyone is so smart!!! I’ll comment when possible!

    Janet – I keep telling ya, priorities, priorities, priorities -) Just kidding darlin’. t just goes to show that you have a well balanced life and not quite as obsessed as some of us. Plus donchais will keep you up to date complete with commentary.

    We’ll miss ya but will appreciate your comments even more because of your limited schedule. Enjoy your company. xo “your peeps” 🙂

  148. Chrissie A
    03/15/2013 at 6:42 pm

    janeto :
    @MMD & Chrissie. Sorry, would have loved to “play” with you guys on HLN, but work was so busy, “wp-smiley”>

    I’m sorry that you are on such a tight schedule and I wondered where you had been! (Just so you know that you are missed) 🙂

  149. Kelly
    03/15/2013 at 6:53 pm

    After seeing a glimpse of her bank statement I’m wondering where she got all her money? She also stated on the stand she has $12,000.00 in the bank. Seriously? A waitress that hardly worked from the sounds of it. I know she states she was a “photographer” but I could take better pictures with my iPhone. Does anyone know the source of all this money to travel?

  150. Anna Eaton
    03/15/2013 at 6:53 pm

    MMD :

    Anna Eaton :

    kristin :
    Omg MMD and Chrissie! You guys are hilarious! The edited pics of her twazzer were more than I could barely stomach! I’m not against sexy time pics but JA proved she is no lady but rather a pig. I bet if she read this blog she would be more upset with the criticism of her her crotch and not bothered at all by criticism of her character!

    She’s still mad she didn’t put makeup on that too!

    lol Chrissie and I are on http://www.livenewschat.tv/twoon/ as Gailee and Daisy. Join us. I don’t know that the hell I’m doing

    Thanks for the invite! I’ll check it out sometime and let you know my screen name.

    Nienna~ what creepy lyrics, indeed! This is the chorus, and pretty much the whole song:

    And I won’t leave and I can’t hide, I cannot be Until you’re resting here And I won’t go and I won’t sleep, and I can’t breathe Until you’re resting here with me.”

    Vomit.

  151. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 6:55 pm

    Janeto & Chrissie – I am so off on my days with the AZ court schedule that Friday always seems like the weekend to me. It seems like days ago that I was waiting for the motion hearing originally scheduled this morning, prior to cancellation. I truly am in an alternate universe. I think I need some of donchais’ goofy pills.

    So glad that I have our foil hats complete with our trademarked antennas. 🙂

  152. Lisa M
    03/15/2013 at 7:00 pm

    Nienna: “So it’s probably nothing but since I watched the video of Jodi after the Flores left the room and she was singing, I’ve been wondering what song it was. So I googled “it might change my memory” and got Dido’s song Here with Me.

    I think it’s creepy!!!”

    Nienna, I remember this song. It was very popular and on the radio a lot but I feel like it was a few years (at least, probably longer) before 2008 that that song was popular. In fact I had that cd! All of the songs kind of sound alike but I used to like Dido when she first came out. In any case all the songs are about being in love and that one in particular reflects a more obsessive love. I think if she listened to Dido a lot, at the very least she was in love with love, because all Dido’s songs are about infatuation, etc. I think this video will be all over Dr. Drew tonight and NG and JVM. They’re already playing it on HLN. I guarantee you one of their body language experts/psychologists is going to say that the inappropriate laughing is related to what they’ve been calling “duper’s delight. ” I think it probably is. She had just finished talking with Det. Flies and feeding him all her bs, even sobbing, and she’s getting a charge out of it. That’s why she’s laughing. It’s like the giggle she couldn’t contain when she mocked JM’s tone of voice. In both situations she gets off on duping: she is in love with herself and her cleverness. Of course we know she’s not so clever!
    I wonder if this video would be permissible in court. I think it would really help the prosecution show that she’s a narcissistic psychopath and definitely not a victim. I also wonder why this video is just coming to light now. Does PTSD make you laugh, focus on your appearance and do headstands? I’m sure the sham defense expert would say it does but just witnessing her lighthearted attitude would devastate her (already shaky) case. Wonder if Juan can get it in during his rebuttal.

  153. Observer
    03/15/2013 at 7:17 pm

    These lyrics Jodi was singing in the police station after her arrest sounds like she was singing about Travis.

    I didn’t hear you leave
    I wonder how am I still here
    I don’t want to move a thing
    It may change my memory

    In the interviews she gave on TV after the arrest, she talked about Travis in the present tense as if he belonged to her and she is the only one who knew anything about him. She may have planned to kill him to keep him from marrying another woman on earth because if he married in the LDS temple he would be married for all eternity. She acts as if she believes she will be with him some day.

  154. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 7:35 pm

    Chrissie A :
    Extended footage of the headstand video with new clips:
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2228988608001/

    Just watched this and it’s true – the only thing missing is Lance Ito!!!

  155. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 7:37 pm

    Observer :
    In the interviews she gave on TV after the arrest, she talked about Travis in the present tense

    I’ve notice that she spoke on the witness stand in the present tense many, many times as if TA was still alive.

  156. Lisa M
    03/15/2013 at 7:44 pm

    Observer while I don’t know if I’d take the lyrics that literally, I think there’s something to your theory. Remember in one of her interviews ( or maybe she told somebody this) she said that she felt Travis’ spirit, like he was present and he was ok. Once you stop gagging from the thought that someone who murdered someone else could actually say that, it seems to me that that statement and other statements she’s made show an uncanny ability to dissasociate from her actions and from reality. It’s true that that could be indicative of trying to cover up her guilt but I think there’s got to be something beyond that going on that allows someone to be the way she is. I know shes psychopathic/sociopathic but I wonder if that ability to dissasociate from reality is a symptom of psychopath is or another personality disorder. And I will never believe its PTSD, there’s just no way!! Another thing, what seemingly intelligent woman in her mid to late twenties doesn’t get her GED until she goes to jail? I find that really odd. It may seem minor compared to everything else about her, but it explains why she only worked in restaurants. I just think its really weird.

  157. NancyB
    03/15/2013 at 7:44 pm

    PK – your comment had me LOL! Chrissie A- thks for both links!

    Here is HLN’s info on the jury that we can add to Donchais’ great lady who is in court.
    http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/03/15/meet-jodi-arias-jury

  158. Observer
    03/15/2013 at 7:44 pm

    The interrogation interviews have already been admitted as evidence so the jury can see it in deliberations. Martinez has only played certain parts of the tape in court. He may play the part of Jodi doing the handstand, singing, laughing, murmurring that she should have put on makeup and looking through garbage as he questions the defense or state expert and ask them if this kind of behavior is typical of a psychological disorder.

  159. Lisa M
    03/15/2013 at 7:48 pm

    MMD on 03/15/2013 at 7:37 pm
    Observer :
    “In the interviews she gave on TV after the arrest, she talked about Travis in the present tense”

    “I’ve notice that she spoke on the witness stand in the present tense many, many times as if TA was still alive.”

    I noticed that too! The body language psychologist on one of the HLN shows said that speaking in the incorrect tense is a sign of lying. I think it’s either that or this weird ability to detach from reality.
    And omg who picks up a trash can and looks through it? A stalker that’s who!

  160. Marilyn N
    03/15/2013 at 7:49 pm

    MMD :
    Chrissie – you’ll have to remind me what my name is the next time I go on as well as yours. I guess no one else from here wanted to play

    I was playing for a little bit under the name: Twirlin!!

  161. MMD
    03/15/2013 at 7:58 pm

    Marilyn N :
    I was playing for a little bit under the name: Twirlin!!

    Why didn’t you let us know??? I thought you sounded familiar!! 🙂

  162. Observer
    03/15/2013 at 8:10 pm

    Schaeffer :The knife used in the murder seems to be of great concern to the talking heads, but I don’t believe for one minute Jodi put it in the dishwasher. First, that knife had to have been heavily damaged, especially with the injuries to Travis’s skull. The ME said there were actual divots in his skull, so the tip was probably bent, if not broken off entirely, and she had to have nicked some ribs or the spine or the sternum; it is simply not possible that when stabbing Travis is such a frenzied manner, she managed to hit only muscle and tissue. The knife was probably damaged in other places, either bent or broken, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the blade and the handle even separated. Knives are not intended for repeatedly stabbing human beings. Also, she never said she ran the dishwasher, but even if she did or one of the roommates did so later, there have been countless instances of blood being retrieved from knives once they were dismantled. It is just too hard to get rid of all traces of blood; it seeps into every little crevice, and it can’t be done with bleach and/or dish soap. Also, why would she leave one murder weapon behind, when she took other incriminating evidence, including the rope, which apparently wasn’t even part of the murder?

    You’re absolutely right. The knife would be damaged or broken. I bet she brought the knife and took it with her like she did the gun. We knows she carries knives because she slashed his tires with a knife and two knives were found hidden in her rental car when she was arrested. Since Jodi testified that Travis took the knife from his butcher block and took it upstairs, I expect testimony in the rebuttal case that there were no knives missing from the butcher block and that none of the knives found in Travis house matched the stab wounds on his body. They waited for that testimony to see how she would explain where the knife came from and where it went since she makes up stories to fit the forensics. In fact in the case in chief, Dr. Horn said he was stabbed with a sharp object. They knew she would testify because she loves to talk.

  163. Chrissie A
    03/15/2013 at 8:30 pm

    MMD :

    Marilyn N :
    I was playing for a little bit under the name: Twirlin!!

    Why didn’t you let us know??? I thought you sounded familiar!!

    You are so bad Marilyn, were you the one with the sense of humor about everything? I’ve definitely gone over to the dark side – I have Nancy Grace on in the background!

  164. Marilyn N
    03/15/2013 at 8:37 pm

    Didn’t know it was you MMD!!
    I am sewing and watching Nancy Grace, and the more times I hear Jodi’s story, the more
    ridiculous it is sounding!!!!!

  165. Marilyn N
    03/15/2013 at 8:40 pm

    Observer: She brought the gun (for sure) and the knife because the whole rope story
    is fabricated. I would think the guys would have known if there was a knife missing from
    the kitchen. I know I would in my kitchen!!

  166. Tracey A
    03/15/2013 at 8:40 pm

    My first time posting on this site but been lurking for a long time. Kudos to Donchais! This site is awesome. I’m just as addicted to this trial as all of you are. Just watched that crazy video of JA doing handstands and laughing just minutes after sobbing to Det. Flores while be questioned. Unbelievable. What a psycho nut job (PNJ from here on out)! I love reading all the comments and will follow along from now on. You all just crack me up!
    Chrissy and MMD, just luv your sense of humor!!!!

    Can’t wait to watch JM go after this moronic defense “expert”. What a load of crap this guy is spewing!

    • donchais
      03/15/2013 at 9:28 pm

      Welcome to the club!

  167. Kathleen Fischer
    03/15/2013 at 9:20 pm

    Hey, it sure doesn’t look like the shoulder injury she said she got from the fall in the bathroom is bothering her too much when she’s doing that handstand…….CAUGHT IN ANOTHER LIE JODI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  168. mba
    03/15/2013 at 9:25 pm

    love how JM got JA to admit to dropping the knife again as she did in response to jury question…Oh, and so happy to have found Calls For Justice; love the humor in your reporting, donchais

    • donchais
      03/15/2013 at 9:27 pm

      Gracias!

  169. Ci Ci's Circle
    03/15/2013 at 9:31 pm

    Nienna :
    So it’s probably nothing but since I watched the video of Jodi after the Flores left the room and she was singing, I’ve been wondering what song it was. So I googled “it might change my memory” and got Dido’s song Here with Me.
    I think it’s rather creepy!!
    http://www.metrolyrics.com/here-with-me-lyrics-dido.html

    Thanks for doing the research! We don’t know how or even where to start to find all this stuff you all are adding here. We’re not familiar with “Dido”…..didn’t know if this was a person or the name of a song! We clicked on your link and saw that it was the singer of the song you referenced. We wondered what the song might sound like so we asked one of our grandkids if they were familiar with it and they went to Utube (we call it BoobTube!) and we listened to the song. Wow….that just blew us away….such a beautiful song but all we could see in our minds was her slashing away at Travis while she played the song in the background (our mental picture of her at the scene)!! It brought us to tears!! What a psychotic and evil human being she is. We also watched the video of her interrogation after Flores had left the room and she’s sitting there singing the song and laughing to herself!! My God…what evilness is this?!!!

  170. Anna Eaton
    03/15/2013 at 10:03 pm

    MMD :

    Chrissie A :
    Extended footage of the headstand video with new clips:
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2228988608001/

    Just watched this and it’s true – the only thing missing is Lance Ito!!!

    I’m dying with laughter over your comment!!!!!

  171. NancyB
    03/15/2013 at 10:06 pm

    All of the people that truly do suffer with PTSD that I read comments of theirs today or heard speak all described it as constantly remembering/reliving the traumatic events. The majority had served in Afghanistan and Iraq and a few survived serious violent events; car accidents, attempted murder. They all wished their memory would shut down so that they could not remember. This is another huge insult to people that live with the horrors of PTSD.

  172. Marilyn N
    03/15/2013 at 10:12 pm

    Chrissie A :

    MMD :

    Marilyn N :
    I was playing for a little bit under the name: Twirlin!!

    Why didn’t you let us know??? I thought you sounded familiar!!

    You are so bad Marilyn, were you the one with the sense of humor about everything? I’ve definitely gone over to the dark side – I have Nancy Grace on in the background!

    Chrissie: Can’t remember what I said now! It was all so F A S T! But I do like sense of humor tidbits!

  173. Lisa M
    03/15/2013 at 10:31 pm

    “Kathleen Fischer on 03/15/2013 at 9:20 pm
    Hey, it sure doesn’t look like the shoulder injury she said she got from the fall in the bathroom is bothering her too much when she’s doing that handstand…….CAUGHT IN ANOTHER LIE JODI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    I hadn’t thought of that. She is so strange, to put it mildly! I believe she knew she was being watched or filmed, hence the singing, the comment about her lack of makeup, but the handstand? And looking through the trash? It seems like an antisocial personality: I don’t care what other people think, etc. Most people in any kind of office, never mind an interrogation room, wouldn’t do a headstand even if they wanted to at the fear that the door would open and there’d you be doing a headstand! But she doesn’t have those social inhibitions as we’ve seen from the TMI about her sex life and the photos we’ve all been exposed to (no pun intended) since the trial began.

  174. kristin
    03/15/2013 at 11:26 pm

    Chrissie thank you for the invite! I will definitely be checking it out. There’s bound to be some good humor if you and MMD are posting comments:) Kathleen made such an excellent point about the handstand and fake shoulder injury. Man the jury should really see that video. Was JA hoping to seduce the detective with her ugly crotch and windsock butthole?

  175. Bethany
    03/15/2013 at 11:35 pm

    Lisa M: Oh and the “expert” does look like Guy Searcy’s brother! LOL

    Maybe Jodi sweetened him up with her seduction the same way she did with Guy Searcy. I’m beginning to think she has a thing for old, bald, creepy guys!

  176. Karen
    03/15/2013 at 11:36 pm

    Here is a tidbit I picked up today while watching HLN, they showedcrime scene photos of the knife block in TA kitchen and then pictures of the items from that block and their was a pair of scissors if in fact TA went to the kitchen to get something to cut this mystical rope would not the first, best and logical choice be the scissors right in the same place with the knives.

  177. Bethany
    03/15/2013 at 11:44 pm

    Vickee: Was JA hypnotized?

    Even if he could hypnotize Jodi I don’t think the results would be admissible in court. I’m not sure about that since I’m not an expert in court but I would think it goes along with the lie detector. Hypnosis is extremely unreliable and very few credible psychologists practice it due to the vulnerability of implanting memories.

    • 03/16/2013 at 2:03 am

      Bethany-thanks for your response. 😉

  178. Bethany
    03/15/2013 at 11:56 pm

    Donchais: Physicians around the world suggest taking two goofy pills and avoiding all things Arias related for 12 hours. As always, check with your physician for possible side effects. This has been a Public Service announcement!

    Are some of the side effects Foggy memory or scrambled brain?

  179. Bethany
    03/15/2013 at 11:59 pm

    Donchais: Physicians around the world suggest taking two goofy pills and avoiding all things Arias related for 12 hours. As always, check with your physician for possible side effects. This has been a Public Service announcement!

    Also, do some of these side effects occur contemporaneously?

  180. Chrissie A
    03/16/2013 at 12:02 am

    Some snippets that I’ve gathered from AZ attorneys chatting back and forth about the case:

    Regarding the court days/hours the problem is with budget cuts we don’t have enough judges, courtrooms etc. so all the judges are swamped.

    Gun info:
    25 caliber automatic pistol 3 to 4 inches long with black grip loaded with 7 rounds jacketed hollow point bullets missing from dresser in the bedroom.
    Grandpa inherited gun from cousin Norman Blowers, quite old not registered & he didn’t know the serial number
    (to clarify fully loaded magazine was also taken with the gun so sounds like it was unloaded in house but magazine was by the gun)

    Penalty phase witnesses for Arias are:
    Kim Ross (Inmate) & Chaitanya Lay (Alleged 3rd in the threesome re Arias – Sacramento) Gus Searcy (Freak #1)

    Arias Drivers License says she’s 5’6″ and 125 pounds – oh yeah – that shelf would have held her all right!

    The latest court docs in the trial:
    (Wallmart, Tesoro, Travis Alexanders Criminal Record)

    http://twitdoc.com/view.asp?id=87717&sid=1VOL&ext=PDF&lcl=JA-docs.pdf&usr=zou2&doc=130584150&key=key-hb2cd47xqwsl27yy2o0

    • Karen
      03/16/2013 at 12:36 am

      Why wouldn’t she have a family member, her mother or sister perhaps. I guess Kim Ross the inmate she has lived with for over 4 years in close quarters so to speak, but Gus Searcy, he met her what 3-4 times and Chaitanya Lay whats she gonna say yeah don’t put her to death cause we never got to have that dreamed up threesome she talked about, and I have such high hopes for that. Give me a break already. If I was fighting for life or death I would want these three people as my witnesses…the homeless man down the street, the neighbor I talk to about once a week and the business aquaintance that I barely know, but pour my heart out to.

  181. mba
    03/16/2013 at 12:08 am

    re: Arias penalty phase witnesses…all upstanding citizens, I’m sure! eek!

  182. Chrissie A
    03/16/2013 at 12:27 am

    mba :
    re: Arias penalty phase witnesses…all upstanding citizens, I’m sure! eek!

    Penalty phase witnesses:

    Kimberly Ross:
    Inmate
    http://www.azcorrections.gov/inmate_datasearch/results_Minh.aspx?InmateNumber=076696&LastName=ROSS&FNMI=K&SearchType=SearchInet

    Chaitanya Lay:
    Born in 1984. Chaitanya currently lives in Sacramento, California. Before that, Chaitanya lived in Cornville, AZ in 2004. Before that, Chaitanya lived in Cottonwood, AZ from 2008 to 2009.
    Friend of Arias & she named her to be the possible 3rd member in a threesome with Travis. (Which is yet another one of her stories.) Gee, I wonder if Nurmi will be up for this one?
    http://www.myspace.com/jodiarias/photos/19482888

    Gus Searcy:
    Sleazefreakoid

    • Karen
      03/16/2013 at 12:54 am

      I see the record for Kimberly Ross isn’t tat a coincidence that she worked in the library, I now how JA started to form her self defense story, probably read it in a book.

  183. Chrissie A
    03/16/2013 at 12:48 am

    Karen :
    Here is a tidbit I picked up today while watching HLN, they showedcrime scene photos of the knife block in TA kitchen and then pictures of the items from that block and their was a pair of scissors if in fact TA went to the kitchen to get something to cut this mystical rope would not the first, best and logical choice be the scissors right in the same place with the knives.

    Agreed, especially as Travis was such an neat orderly type, I believe a knife would have been out of the question. I’m with so many others on here that she bought the knife along with the gun to Travis’ house.

  184. mba
    03/16/2013 at 1:16 am

    I say JA came fully prepared for what she wanted to accomplish with gun in one hand, knife in the other and the camera was between her legs. Guilty! Off with her head!

  185. Schaeffer
    03/16/2013 at 1:26 am

    Karen :
    I see the record for Kimberly Ross isn’t tat a coincidence that she worked in the library, I now how JA started to form her self defense story, probably read it in a book.

    I believe she has also talked with female inmates who were true victims of domestic violence, and stole their stories, either in part or in whole, and woven them into her testiphony.

  186. Schaeffer
    03/16/2013 at 1:35 am

    Donchais, I am a relative newcomer to your wonderful site. I would like to engage in discussing some questions or observations which have perplexed me over the course of the trial, but I don’t have the stomach to go back through all the bullshit Jodi has spewed and tie it to a specific day. I also see many of these days are closed to discussion, because one has to draw the line somewhere. Would you consider opening a page which is not specific to a certain day of the trial where we could all bring up the questions or observations which are still bothering us? Perhaps we could do this during deliberations when we will all be having withdrawals symptoms and need a place to vent or get a fix. Thanks for this great site, and all the work you do, You are a better person than I !!

  187. Bethany
    03/16/2013 at 2:12 am

    Nienna: I think it’s rather creepy!!

    http://www.metrolyrics.com/here-with-me-lyrics-dido.html

    That is really creepy! Think she could have been singing it to him while she was killing him?

  188. 03/16/2013 at 2:23 am

    She had to use a pretty big knife to cut his throat so cleanly. It’s not possible to have been done with one of those little steak knives from the knife block sitting on his countertop. Or the one shown in the dishwasher basket. It had to be a big knife and REALLY sharp!

    Have you seen the autopsy photos of his near beheading? She did that with one swift slash across his neck.

    Anyone capable of doing such damage had more than petty jealousy driving her. A person cable of doing such an atrocious act had to be driven by religious fervor. That’s the kind of thing a religious zealot is capable of doing.

    She probably entertained some twisted notion that she and Travis were “sealed” in marriage because he sponsored her baptism, and she performed, at least sexually, as his wife. She would save him from the eternal damnation he would surely endure for having broken his vows of chastity as a temple worthy Mormon man. That also explains why she has no remorse. In effect, she sacrificed her life by taking his so he could enjoy an eternal life. She was the benevolent one. Sociopath.

    I know this sounds far fetched, but in my opinion it more clearly explains her actions for such slaughter. I think it had to be more than just jealous he was taking a trip with someone else.

  189. kristin
    03/16/2013 at 4:14 am

    That’s beyond chilling imaging JA signing that song while slaughtering Travis. Her level of obsession is something beyond my comprehension. I thought my obsession with chewy molasses cookies was pushing the limits of not normal lol! In all seriousness, the more I learn/see about JA, the more she scares the shit out of me. I wonder if Travis had a bad feeling in his gut when she showed up unannounced? Maybe his sixth sense was buzzing. Have a peaceful weekend everyone and be well

  190. Laine
    03/16/2013 at 6:31 am

    Kathleen Fischer :Hey, it sure doesn’t look like the shoulder injury she said she got from the fall in the bathroom is bothering her too much when she’s doing that handstand…….CAUGHT IN ANOTHER LIE JODI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Wow good catch Kathleen! I never even thought of that! I hope JM caught that one!!

  191. Laine
    03/16/2013 at 6:52 am

    Bethany :Nienna: I think it’s rather creepy!!
    http://www.metrolyrics.com/here-with-me-lyrics-dido.html
    That is really creepy! Think she could have been singing it to him while she was killing him?

    It makes me really sad to hear this song talked about like this and I agree with all of you it’s chilling that she was singing this, but this is one of my favourite songs from the film Love actually. I hate that in my mind she is now associated with it.

  192. Laine
    03/16/2013 at 7:12 am

    Jesi223 :HEY! Also, this SAMUELS character says that over a course of 4 years he’s met with AriASS 12 times. He also says she was lying half of the time. So that’s to say that he can make valid assumptions and diagnoses based on believing what someone says presumably over 4 years in 6 meetings….even though they lied to you the previous six times you’ve met. And to wrap that thought up, the jury has been observing AriASS since the beginning of trial and then basically got to know the person she is for almost twenty days while she was on the stand spewing pea soup, so it’s safe to say that now that they have seen her, be arrogant, disrespectful, a smartass, laugh & smile (although she is on trial for murder, I know we would all be pretty chipper in this situation so why not giggle a little right?) and fumble for a story that will not make her look like the demon she is-to no avail, they pretty much know her better than Samuels did/ does anyway-besides the fact that he isn’t very credible and presented an “illness” that occurs in every 3-8 in 100,000.
    This is really interesting, (I’ve cut it down) By this analagy the jury has actually heard more from Jody than he has…and hasn’t she taken an oath to tell the truth? Wasn’t that her testimony? that now..because of the oath she was telling the truth? So if she has PTSD does that mean she is now cured? because wasn’t that according to him the reason she was lying and disassociated from what happened? Just a thought…. I really enjoyed reading your reasoning!

  193. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 10:12 am

    Karen :
    Chrissie hello I was on the HLN news chat wesite today also as KT really enjoyed the instant chat there, I think you were referring to my twisted comments, as I find JA defense laughable at best. I am in total fear of the fog, so much so that I may develope amnesia and forget who or where I am at any given moment.

    OMG – it was YOU!!!!!LOL You seemed soooooooooo familiar as well. It was like Chrissie, Marilyn N, you and I were just in tune with each other and SW from Italy filled out the group. Now I know why 🙂 See even off this site, we find each other with different names. Ya know that old expression about great minds……….but then comes the part about fools LOL 🙂 Thanks for letting us know it was you.

  194. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 10:17 am

    Anna Eaton :
    I’m dying with laughter over your comment!!!!!

    The sad thing is, I’m not trying to be funny. I still get upset about that verdict although they got OJ in Nevada. At least he’s finally paying and he has lost everything. 🙂

  195. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 10:21 am

    NancyB :
    They all wished their memory would shut down so that they could not remember. This is another huge insult to people that live with the horrors of PTSD.

    Exactly! I hope that the jury is as insulted as the true victims of all her false claims are! The defense truly makes me ill they have stooped so low!!!!!

  196. Janeto
    03/16/2013 at 10:39 am

    While waiting for family to arrive for the spring break, I thought I would say hello while I can. Although I will keep my phone with me, and read every comment posted, just won’t reply to often this week. My goodness donchais, this site has sure grown! When I came on, there were only 80 or so peeps. Now closer to 200!! I was Janet, now have changed to Janeto. This is the only blog I’ve ever been on, and I sure found the right one! I love all the “updates” donchais and others provide for us. Awesome job! I love the smart theories, comments, questions, “remarks”, the links everyone provides to keep us in the “know”, and the sense of humor you all have! I felt right at home from the get go, and we have a great deal in common in our lives (most of us) so it’s easy to relate to each other… and you all “keep me in stitches!” Even the new peeps fit right in! Where you all find these links, I could never do, so my famous “donchais foil hat” complete with antennas, is off to you all! Keep up the great work! I hope and pray that soon, (& hopefully I will be able to watch) JM will be able to paint the picture of the events in Travis’ murder as they HAPPENED, & FINALLY show that JA planned this before hand, knifed him first, shot him last, and let the world know that this shallow human being should never be set free, let alone should get the DP she so deserves! I’ve never seen the interrogation video of the handstands, the evil laughter, the singing idiot, and the trash monster before, and it should more than seal every minute doubt anyone has ever had about this evil, callous, excuse of a human being. Even her so called “specialists” can’t get her out of that in my eyes. I normally do not speak of anyone in a bad way, but this case has changed that for me. All the people (including myself) who REALLY suffer from each of the false claims she has made, now have a even steeper uphill battle to climb, but honesty will prevail. Have faith! There really are “monsters walking among us!” donchais, I will keep my “barf bag, and my foil hat” handy, as I KNOW I will need them. Let’s just have faith in the jurors, and pray they are not fooled by her!! I’m so ready for a verdict already, but in due time! Take care all, and have a wonderful weekend!!!!

    • donchais
      03/16/2013 at 10:43 am

      Thanks Janet and enjoy!

  197. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 10:45 am

    mba :
    I say JA came fully prepared for what she wanted to accomplish with gun in one hand, knife in the other and the camera was between her legs. Guilty! Off with her head!

    Great summation mba – Let’s just end this entire travesty now and save the AZ taxpayers some money 🙂 (besides I’m wasting juice here keeping the chair cranked up!) LOL

  198. Nienna
    03/16/2013 at 10:47 am

    Bethany :
    Nienna: I think it’s rather creepy!!
    http://www.metrolyrics.com/here-with-me-lyrics-dido.html
    That is really creepy! Think she could have been singing it to him while she was killing him?

    Lord I hope not!

  199. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 10:56 am

    Janeto :
    While waiting for family to arrive for the spring break, I thought I would say hello while I
    can.

    Thanks for dropping in Janet – we miss you already but glad to know you are going to be keeping up with the comments. Enjoy your family 🙂 xo Your Peeps

  200. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 11:14 am

    Tracey A :
    My first time posting on this site but been lurking for a long time. Kudos to Donchais! This site is awesome.

    Welcome Tracey A. 🙂 If you are obsessed with this case then you’ll fit right in. We are also really kinda major league fans of Juan Martinez.

    An added bonus, our host donchais, graciously allows our obsessions, rants, frustrations and anger! 🙂 Another bonus that donchais provides free of charge is that on days when there isn’t trial scheduled, she keeps us off the streets and out of trouble. Truly a public service in itself, although a great deal of online shopping does occur! 🙂

    The highlight though is her daily report on the trial proceeding complete with hilarious commentary!!! Enjoy! 🙂

    I posted this damn comment before and it is somewhere out in cyberspace, If anyone wearing a foil hat finds it, please return it. Thanks!

  201. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 11:17 am

    Tracey A – Damn I forgot to add that I lurked for the longest time before I posted. This is really a good site and the people are truly awesome!

  202. PK
    03/16/2013 at 11:25 am

    mba :
    I say JA came fully prepared for what she wanted to accomplish with gun in one hand, knife in the other and the camera was between her legs. Guilty! Off with her head!

    Basket below guillotine to Jodi just before the blade falls, “You did say you liked giving head on direct and cross, right!”

  203. NancyB
    03/16/2013 at 11:28 am

    Karen :
    Why wouldn’t she have a family member, her mother or sister perhaps.

    Karen, I read an article that said when the Az. Detectives ist called her rents and asked if they believed that she was involved in Travis’ death that they said yes. But using family in the penalty phase would have been much different than risking Juan’s skills on recross in their case in chief. So who knows.

    http://kristinarandle.com/blog/a-psychosocial-analysis-of-what-jodi-arias-may-have-been-like-as-a-youth/

  204. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 11:57 am

    Aint it the truth! LOL courtesy of chris stark

    chris stark ‏@stark3923

    How many questions has #JodiArias answered truthfully? ONE: “I killed Travis Alexander”

  205. Laine
    03/16/2013 at 11:57 am

    NancyB :

    Karen :Why wouldn’t she have a family member, her mother or sister perhaps.
    Karen, I read an article that said when the Az. Detectives ist called her rents and asked if they believed that she was involved in Travis’ death that they said yes. But using family in the penalty phase would have been much different than risking Juan’s skills on recross in their case in chief. So who knows.
    http://kristinarandle.com/blog/a-psychosocial-analysis-of-what-jodi-arias-may-have-been-like-as-a-youth/

    Thanks Nancy this link is awesome, there are some interesting opinions on this site! Here is another article from the same site:
    http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodis-most-condemning-answer/

    Thank you to everyone posting links and video it makes the case so much more interesting!

  206. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 12:08 pm

    Karen :
    Why wouldn’t she have a family member, her mother or sister perhaps.

    Personally, I think her mother is writing a book! Between her actions in court, the frantic note taking, plus her selling JA’s art on e-Bay, this is my personal opinion ONLY. I have nothing to back it up just a gut feeling. I sure as hell don’t think that she is doing anything to help the defense on purpose, except sitting there. I think she gave up on JA a long time ago and if she was forced to sit in that courtroom then she decided to make money off it.

    I originally started off feeling so incredibly sorry for her but as time has progressed I have done a complete 180. I may be completely wrong but only time will tell.

  207. Laine
    03/16/2013 at 12:22 pm

    Wow! this is really compelling!! It comes from the same site as my post above. Very well put together!

  208. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 12:27 pm

    NancyB :
    http://kristinarandle.com/blog/a-psychosocial-analysis-of-what-jodi-arias-may-have-been-like-as-a-youth/

    Good article Nancy and I agree with it, especially the part about moving out of the house.

    I wonder, even though Det.Flores told JA that her parents had said she could be involved in the murder of TA, if they really said that? After all, he is under no obligation to tell JA the truth but rather use anything he can to get the truth “out of her”. (which we all know she is truly not acquainted with)

    Either way, it would be interesting to know for sure.

  209. LadyInRed
    03/16/2013 at 12:28 pm

    I’ve been a lurker of this blog for quite some time, having followed the Christian/Newsom murders, as well as the trials of Hope Schreiner (VT) and Melanie McGuire (NJ). This is a wonderful and informative blog, donchais. One thing that really stood out for me in the headstand clip … why are JA’s feet so dirty???

  210. computer
    03/16/2013 at 12:34 pm

    Lisa M :
    “Kathleen Fischer on 03/15/2013 at 9:20 pm
    Hey, it sure doesn’t look like the shoulder injury she said she got from the fall in the bathroom is bothering her too much when she’s doing that handstand…….CAUGHT IN ANOTHER LIE JODI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
    I hadn’t thought of that. She is so strange, to put it mildly! I believe she knew she was being watched or filmed, hence the singing, the comment about her lack of makeup, but the handstand? And looking through the trash? It seems like an antisocial personality: I don’t care what other people think, etc. Most people in any kind of office, never mind an interrogation room, wouldn’t do a headstand even if they wanted to at the fear that the door would open and there’d you be doing a headstand! But she doesn’t have those social inhibitions as we’ve seen from the TMI about her sex life and the photos we’ve all been exposed to (no pun intended) since the trial began.

    Isn’t this behavior the same behavior as Amanda Knox (Italy Roommate Murder). Copycat Arias?

  211. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 12:47 pm

    Laine :
    Wow! this is really compelling!! It comes from the same site as my post above. Very well put together!

    WOW Laine – I felt like I was at the slaughter!!! I disagree with a couple of points but it is truly compelling and scary!

  212. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 12:55 pm

    computer :
    Isn’t this behavior the same behavior as Amanda Knox (Italy Roommate Murder). Copycat Arias?

    Why would she copy AK – she was found guilty originally but good point.

    I know this isn’t an AK blog but I always felt she was guilty or at least involved somehow. Just my personal opinion so don’t anybody start the hate on me please.

  213. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 12:57 pm

    JA could simply have been standing on her head to get the blood to flow there so her mug shot would have good colour, since she didn’t have her makeup! LOL Who the hell knows why she does anything!

  214. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 12:59 pm

    I;m sure that Dr, Quack will have a syndrome for her headstand if asked on cross! 🙂

  215. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 1:06 pm

    LadyInRed :
    I’ve been a lurker of this blog for quite some time, having followed the Christian/Newsom murders, as well as the trials of Hope Schreiner (VT) and Melanie McGuire (NJ). This is a wonderful and informative blog, donchais. One thing that really stood out for me in the headstand clip … why are JA’s feet so dirty???

    Welcome LadyinRED. I was a lurker for the longest time. As for her feet, maybe she forgot to shower because she was so rushing to leave that morning, not knowing she was under surveillance.

    As I said above If you are obsessed with this case then you’ll fit right in. We are also really kinda major league fans of Juan Martinez.

    An added bonus, our host donchais, graciously allows our obsessions, rants, frustrations and anger! Another bonus that donchais provides free of charge is that on days when there isn’t trial scheduled, she keeps us off the streets and out of trouble. Truly a public service in itself, although a great deal of online shopping does occur!

    The highlight though is her daily report on the trial proceeding complete with hilarious commentary!!! Enjoy! It really is a great group of people! 🙂

  216. computer
    03/16/2013 at 1:32 pm

    MMD :

    computer :
    Isn’t this behavior the same behavior as Amanda Knox (Italy Roommate Murder). Copycat Arias?

    Why would she copy AK – she was found guilty originally but good point.
    I know this isn’t an AK blog but I always felt she was guilty or at least involved somehow. Just my personal opinion so don’t anybody start the hate on me please.

    She got attention, the possiblity of being “insane”, books, movies, media coverage, and support…I think JA is a minipulator and planner. I don’t think her antics were spontaneous. She was looking at the big picture, i.e. she’s caught…what could she do to possilby alter the final outcome.

  217. NancyB
    03/16/2013 at 2:25 pm

    MMD – I’m in your camp as far as JA’s mom is concerned. Her behavior in court has been shocking to me. How utterly disrespectful to the court and Travis’ family. By the way, I have not seen the hugely inappropriate giggling for a few weeks now. I too, think she is writing her best-seller in her own mind while in court. I am positive that her family of origin knows who Jodi truly is and what she is capable of.

  218. Bethany
    03/16/2013 at 2:27 pm

    Lisa M: And omg who picks up a trash can and looks through it? A stalker that’s who!

    Also gross people touch trash…not surprising coming from Gross Arias! 😊

  219. PK
    03/16/2013 at 2:39 pm

    Hopefully, TA’s surviving family will file a wrongful death suit in civil court in AZ and get a huge money judgment against JA to prevent anybody in the Arias family from profiting from JA’s art, stories, more stories and even more stories.

  220. NancyB
    03/16/2013 at 2:49 pm

    MMD -I too, did not believe in Knox’s innocence but the Italian police were so corrupt and totally annihilated the crime scene that it made any semblance of true justice close to unattainable.

  221. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 3:07 pm

    PK :
    Hopefully, TA’s surviving family will file a wrongful death suit in civil court in AZ and get a huge money judgment against JA to prevent anybody in the Arias family from profiting from JA’s art, stories, more stories and even more stories.

    I do too!!! With what TA went through and what his family, friends, etc. are continuing to go through, no one even remotely connected to JA should be allowed to profit. I doubt if that family has much money but no amount of money will bring back what has been lost by so many.

    The only things that should be gained is knowledge by are scientists, once they get hold of her brain to study and analyse so that future real doctors (not the rent a Dr.Quacks of the world) can diagnose and recognize the next person BEFORE any life is lost. God willing, there is only one JA on this planet!

  222. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 3:08 pm

    NancyB :
    MMD -I too, did not believe in Knox’s innocence but the Italian police were so corrupt and totally annihilated the crime scene that it made any semblance of true justice close to unattainable.

    I don’t think we will ever know the real truth either.

  223. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 3:11 pm

    computer :
    She got attention, the possiblity of being “insane”, books, movies, media coverage, and support…I think JA is a minipulator and planner. I don’t think her antics were spontaneous. She was looking at the big picture, i.e. she’s caught…what could she do to possibly alter the final outcome.

    All very true and I think she started planning this murder back in April 2008.

  224. JesusFreak
    03/16/2013 at 3:23 pm

    Ci Ci’s Circle :

    < Geeezzzz…..everything he’s saying and comparing to his Big Red Book is just from what she told him!!
    How about telling us about the murder…..all this crap he’s referring to has nothing to do with the murder!
    Blah blah blah…….

    Tell us how ya really feel, lol!
    What really got us when he started talking about JA not being able to tell a friend or family member about what happened he turns to the Jury and says, “Imagine how bad it must feel when you can’t turn to a family member or friend for support!?”
    That’s when we just blew up!! Well what about TRAVIS!!?? Imagine how it must have felt to him not to be able to cry out for help after his throat was slit!! Try that on for size Dr. Beeker!!

    I had never really recognizes the face of evil so personally until Casey Anthony. Now here is Jodi Arias, she is the most evil person I have ever seen that is so brilliant. My mother was like her but did not get violent to that extent.
    Mother had several stories going at once and could keep them straight. Had she been a murderer, she would have talked and smiled and smirked just like the devil that is on trial.
    After Mother died her diagnosis was Schizo-Affective Disorder. I do not know if this describes Little Miss Devil Jodi but they are very similar. If Jodi gets out, i am afraid that one of Travis’ siblings will go to jail for doing the government’s job.

  225. Chrissie A
    03/16/2013 at 3:30 pm

    The top row photos (1st to 4th) look to me that Travis was posing and not simply showering, regardless this is an interesting scenario.

    Travis last moments photos in succession:

    http://s1302.beta.photobucket.com/user/HeavYMetaL65/media/proof_zpsa4a43242.gif.html?sort=3&o=0

  226. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 3:33 pm

    JesusFreak :
    If Jodi gets out

    Don’t even think it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The world is a scary enough place as it is.
    Also I am so sorry that you had to grow up in a home with someone even remotely like JA, let alone a parent. It must have been very difficult. It seems as if most of us on this site have suffered during our lives. Sending hugs {{{{ }}}}

  227. WhereIsSHE
    03/16/2013 at 3:43 pm

    “>HamSandwich :She had to use a pretty big knife to cut his throat so cleanly. It’s not possible to have been done with one of those little steak knives from the knife block sitting on his countertop. Or the one shown in the dishwasher basket. It had to be a big knife and REALLY sharp!
    Have you seen the autopsy photos of his near beheading? She did that with one swift slash across his neck.
    Anyone capable of doing such damage had more than petty jealousy driving her. A person cable of doing such an atrocious act had to be driven by religious fervor. That’s the kind of thing a religious zealot is capable of doing.
    She probably entertained some twisted notion that she and Travis were “sealed” in marriage because he sponsored her baptism, and she performed, at least sexually, as his wife. She would save him from the eternal damnation he would surely endure for having broken his vows of chastity as a temple worthy Mormon man. That also explains why she has no remorse. In effect, she sacrificed her life by taking his so he could enjoy an eternal life. She was the benevolent one. Sociopath.
    I know this sounds far fetched, but in my opinion it more clearly explains her actions for such slaughter. I think it had to be more than just jealous he was taking a trip with someone else.

    HamS- Does not sound far fetched at all. Have you read the anonymous email that Jodi sent to the younger woman Travis was dating which also ended up with the tire slashing? Jodi gets super HYPER-RELIGIOUS in that email, which appears on p.14 of Detective Flores’ Investigation Report: http://wildabouttrial.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Detective-Flores-Investigation-Report.pdf
    She starts the anonymous (eyeroll) email as follows:
    “You are a shameful whore. Your Heavenly Father must be deeply ashamed of the whoredoms you’ve committed with that insidious man….” She goes on to say, “You are driving away the Holy Ghost”, etc and threatens that the girl is risking her Salvation, blahblahblahhhhreligiousblahblahblah.
    Yeah. The 3 HOLE WONDER is calling a (then) virginal teenager a “shameful whore”, and is calling Travis “insidious”.
    That ain’t LOVE.
    That is UNMITIGATED, CRIMINAL STALKING/OBSESSION.

  228. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 3:45 pm

    Chrissie A :
    Travis last moments photos in succession:

    Well Chrissie, you know that I think that JA left and came back later and surprised TA while he was in the shower. Remember this is the person who came in through doggie doors so it wouldn’t be a stretch for her to be holding a weapon on him. Interesting scenario. Sadly we’ll never know for sure.

  229. Chrissie A
    03/16/2013 at 3:49 pm

    I really like Dr. Glass’ observations, she can be heard intermittently on Websleuths radio, which no doubt I will be tuning into tomorrow as I cannot cure my PTSAT!

    Dr. Lillian Glass on the headstand video – “She is showing an extreme example of duping delight”: http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/

  230. Chrissie A
    03/16/2013 at 4:20 pm

    Laine :

    Chrissie A :Don’t mean to be crass here, but I’ve seen a lot of discussion as to why she didn’t get herself pregnant to entrap Travis. Someone bought up a really good point last night, that is maybe why Travis decided to go in the backdoor and not her vajayjay?

    Thats a really good point Chrissie! and also…you have got to be a Greys fan!!! am I right!

    Unfortunately Laine, I haven’t watched the series, but one of my pals I work with on occasions is a huge fan and we share vajayjay jokes 🙂

  231. JesusFreak
    03/16/2013 at 4:27 pm

    Chrissie A :

    MMD :
    You’ve probably seen this, but I wanted to share
    PRE MED 1ST DEGREE PROVEN HERE:
    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/lach1h

    thanks for posting the website. i work swing shift two days a week or more and had missed the fact that Jodi had a second rental car and was prepared to flee.
    You bloggers on this website are really experts. i am impressed with the abilities you have to find all the clues to prove premeditation. at 69 i am not through learning. hope JM, our hero, is reading, or has someone reading this blog.
    do u think we all should go to the death of the monster? we could then take the Alexander family to lunch.
    Donchais, you are great!

  232. JesusFreak
    03/16/2013 at 4:29 pm

    MMD :

    Chrissie A :

    There is a hearing scheduled tomorrow (today) at 9:30 am – I think it may be televised:
    http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/calendar/calList.asp?ID=3604&startdate=3/15/2013&length=1

    Oh Chrissie – I so hope that it is televised! The defense got caught with their pants down yesterday and I hope that along with arguments, the judge tears them a new one. (I trust must have PTSAT cause I HATE that expression!!!!) I thought that Willmott at least tried to fake that she had more respect for the court. Obviously I was wrong! She just hides it better than that sloth Wurmi.(no offense to the actual animal)

    i missed the hearing, is ther a video of it anywhere. ty.

    • donchais
      03/16/2013 at 8:35 pm

      The hearing was moved to Monday at 10:15MST which of course means we won’t start at 10 as the judge ordered! Ackkkkk!

  233. Bethany
    03/16/2013 at 4:39 pm

    MMD: I think she gave up on JA a long time ago and if she was forced to sit in that courtroom then she decided to make money off it.

    I agree with you. Every time I see the camera roll to Jodi’s aunt and mother I see no emotion from either of them except for when they are wispering and snickering together during inappropriate times. I get bad vibes from both of them. Actually I get bad vibes from all her family members who have attended her trial.

  234. Bethany
    03/16/2013 at 4:51 pm

    Vickee :
    Bethany-thanks for your response.

    No problem. Like I said, I am not an expert, but I do assume that hypnosis is viewed the same way as like detector test results.

  235. Chrissie A
    03/16/2013 at 5:00 pm

    HamSandwich :
    Anyone capable of doing such damage had more than petty jealousy driving her. A person cable of doing such an atrocious act had to be driven by religious fervor. That’s the kind of thing a religious zealot is capable of doing.
    She probably entertained some twisted notion that she and Travis were “sealed” in marriage because he sponsored her baptism, and she performed, at least sexually, as his wife. She would save him from the eternal damnation he would surely endure for having broken his vows of chastity as a temple worthy Mormon man. That also explains why she has no remorse. In effect, she sacrificed her life by taking his so he could enjoy an eternal life. She was the benevolent one. Sociopath.
    I know this sounds far fetched, but in my opinion it more clearly explains her actions for such slaughter. I think it had to be more than just jealous he was taking a trip with someone else.

    This makes sense of her nonsensical disposition – And when you tie in the email that “WhereIsShe” points out couldn’t it go to motive? I really hope that we have some smart people on the jury that will pick up on this!

  236. JesusFreak
    03/16/2013 at 5:06 pm

    bubblebutts :
    Does anyone know where I can find footage of Juan;s cross from wednesday? I can’t find it on Youtube. Thanks.

    go to:
    http://crimeandcourtsnews.blogspot.com/p/jodi-arias-trial-watch-full-court-videos.html#.UUTd7Yy9KSM
    has live and videos of trial.

  237. Observer
    03/16/2013 at 5:29 pm

    Ham Sandwich Post 207, I am LDS and I agree with you when you wrote: “She probably entertained some twisted notion that she and Travis were “sealed” in marriage because he sponsored her baptism, and she performed, at least sexually, as his wife. She would save him from the eternal damnation he would surely endure for having broken his vows of chastity as a temple worthy Mormon man. That also explains why she has no remorse. In effect, she sacrificed her life by taking his so he could enjoy an eternal life. She was the benevolent one. Sociopath.”

    I think the killing with a knife until he bled out and then washing his body off in the shower was ceremonial to her. I believe she took a shower with his dead body to seal them together for all eternity.

    I believe Martinez will address the knife issue in the rebuttal case. I read in some official report that none of the knives found at the crine scene matched the wounds on his body

  238. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 5:34 pm

    Chrissie A :
    I cannot cure my PTSAT!

    Now Chrissie – you have to read donchais’ PSA more carefully. Avoid all things Arias related for 12 hours!! Diagnosed early enough, patients can expect a full recovery, albeit a slow recovery.

    Now we all know that you are not staying away the full 12 hours plus are you taking your goofy pills? I think not! 😦 As well, you can’t expect an overnight recovery, it takes time. After all, this has been building since January!!

    (kids these days, they expect instant results……smh) 🙂

  239. Bethany
    03/16/2013 at 5:35 pm

    Laine: Wow! this is really compelling!! It comes from the same site as my post above. Very well put together!

    I think the most disturbing part about this video clip is when Jodi is being interviewed by Det. Flores and she keeps saying that Travis was not moving but she could tell he was still conscious.

  240. Chrissie A
    03/16/2013 at 5:38 pm

    PK :
    Dr. Samuels failed to include in his curriculum vitae that he has been known to trade his “professional* services for other goods and/or services. Considering who his client is, only one possibility for trade comes to my mind and it would probably be too kinky even for him.

    I’m still trying to find the video clip of he & JA’s endearing glance in the courtroom but I can’t find one take from the angle of the feed that I was watching, (the other feeds show it from the camera at the back of the courtroom where it’s not as evident) When Dr Dirt stated that sexual intercourse may have caused her amnesia I about fell out of my chair, judging by the testimony we’ve heard so far it would convey that her brain is connected to her arse.

  241. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 5:59 pm

    Since we’re been talking about the knife…….. here is a photo of an example courtesy of chris stark

    chris stark ‏@stark3923

  242. JesusFreak
    03/16/2013 at 5:59 pm

    MMD :

    JesusFreak :

    If Jodi gets out

    Don’t even think it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The world is a scary enough place as it is.
    Also I am so sorry that you had to grow up in a home with someone even remotely like JA, let alone a parent. It must have been very difficult. It seems as if most of us on this site have suffered during our lives. Sending hugs {{{{ }}}}

    ty. u guys r turnin in to family.

  243. Chrissie A
    03/16/2013 at 6:11 pm

    MMD :

    Chrissie A :
    I cannot cure my PTSAT!

    Now Chrissie – you have to read donchais’ PSA more carefully. Avoid all things Arias related for 12 hours!! Diagnosed early enough, patients can expect a full recovery, albeit a slow recovery.
    Now we all know that you are not staying away the full 12 hours plus are you taking your goofy pills? I think not! As well, you can’t expect an overnight recovery, it takes time. After all, this has been building since January!!
    (kids these days, they expect instant results……smh)

    First dose of goofy pills to be administered after this “Her Neverending Answer” lol:

  244. Observer
    03/16/2013 at 6:24 pm

    Laine 227, Thank you for the video. I just saw bits of pieces of Dr. Horn’s testimony on In Session and never saw the entire video of Jodi’s interrogation so I hadn’t heard many of those statements. I appreciated hearing the words from Dr. Horn’s and Jodi’s mouth because that is evidence but am offended by the speculation and conclusions of the video maker that Travis led Jodi on making her believe she was going to be successful in Pre-Paid Legal and that she would be significant in his life and he said something to enrage her and that’s why she killed him.

    Even Jodi never testified to that. Travis’s text messages to Jodi, which she read out loud, showed he was being honest with her. He told her he was tired of her lies, her bullcrap, her crying all the time, she was selfish and didn’t care about him and she was an evil sociopath.

    Jodi testified that they only dated a couple of months in 2007, that she moved to Mesa a month later and they resumed the sexual relationship although they were not boyfriend/girlfriend. She testified that she knew he was dating Lisa Diadone and other women and she knew he was going to Cancun with another woman.

    It is very clear that Jodi wanted Travis even though he made it clear he wanted her out of his life. So she moved near him, stalked him, slashed his tires, hacked into his bank account, email and Facebook account and harassed his female friends. When she knew he had moved on, she drives 1,000 miles with a stolen gun, rented car with removed and altered license plates, turns off her phone, uses gas cans so she won’t be seen on surveillance tapes getting gas in Arizona, lures him into the shower on the pretense of taking a photo shoot and stabs him to death without any provocation. Motive: If she couldn’t have him no one else could.

  245. Laine
    03/16/2013 at 6:44 pm

    Observer – I couldn’t agree with you more! I really was just compelled by the video not the authors reasoning, like you I believe she tried everything she could including using her body to try to manipulate what she wanted and when all of it failed she planned his death so no one else could have him. But the video is chilling, listening to her describe what happened with the “ninja’s” I wonder like Bethany how much of that is truth…he just wouldn’t die!

  246. Laine
    03/16/2013 at 6:47 pm

    Chrissie A Unfortunately Laine, I haven’t watched the series, but one of my pals I work with on occasions is a huge fan and we share vajayjay jokes

    I’m a huge fan I have the box sets and seeing what you wrote really made me laugh! I could just imagine Bailey saying it! 🙂

  247. Laine
    03/16/2013 at 6:50 pm

    Bethany :Laine: Wow! this is really compelling!! It comes from the same site as my post above. Very well put together!
    I think the most disturbing part about this video clip is when Jodi is being interviewed by Det. Flores and she keeps saying that Travis was not moving but she could tell he was still conscious.

    I agree Bethany! I wonder how much of that was the truth, it made me feel quite sick!

  248. Nancy Pennington
    03/16/2013 at 6:51 pm

    Observer: I just watched video showing the ME(hottie biscotti) and read the comments. I agree with you that Travis did not lead JA on. I think maybe the whole group on PPLegal was a scam and I’m sure the “conventions” we’re all hype. But, her failure to succeed was her own fault and in no way Travis’.

    Also, I agree with whoever mentioned JA’s mother being a piece of garbage. I wonder if any of the attorneys that came out of the woodwork to work pro bono for Casey A would do the same for the Alexander family. Hopefully take every penny they are hoping to earn over this. As far as I’m concerned the whole bunch of JA’s should end up living in the hovel with the grandparents. Sorry about the snarkiness but my fog has lifted of my “pissed off” syndrome has returned.

    And finally, I too believe Amanda Knox is guilty as sin.

  249. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 6:55 pm

    Laine :

    Chrissie A Unfortunately Laine, I haven’t watched the series, but one of my pals I work with on occasions is a huge fan and we share vajayjay jokes

    ! I could just imagine Bailey saying it!

    I used to watch Grey’s and I remember the exact moment that Bailey said that to George (T.R. Knight) when he was about to deliver her baby. After he and Izzie left the show I lost interest.

  250. MMD
    03/16/2013 at 7:05 pm

    Nancy Pennington :
    And finally, I too believe Amanda Knox is guilty as sin.

    Wow, I am so love this site. If my belief that AK is guilty had been posted on any other site all hell would have broken loose. I really thought twice before I pressed “post” and that’s why I added the qualifier not to start the hate on me.

    Donchais you have fostered such great people on your site that show respect. Thank you from all us! 🙂

  251. Laine
    03/16/2013 at 7:12 pm

    MMD :

    Nancy Pennington :And finally, I too believe Amanda Knox is guilty as sin.

    Wow, I am so love this site. If my belief that AK is guilty had been posted on any other site all hell would have broken loose. I really thought twice before I pressed “post” and that’s why I added the qualifier not to start the hate on me.
    Donchais you have fostered such great people on your site that show respect. Thank you from all us!

    I so agree MMD I love that I may not comment for a few days, I sometimes just enjoy reading what others are writing. But even if I disagree with someone there is no animosity. Everyone has such interesting hypothesies and add such great links and insights into things I may not have thought about. I love yours and donchais humour it makes the site feel friendly. And its nice to know I’m not the only one obsessed with this case! 🙂

  252. Observer
    03/16/2013 at 7:50 pm

    NancyB :
    http://kristinarandle.com/blog/a-psychosocial-analysis-of-what-jodi-arias-may-have-been-like-as-a-youth/

    Thank you for this link. This was the best article I’ve seen on Jodi’s childhood. I did not know her parents thought she had something to do with her murder. I knew they said she was a discipline problem. I also didn’t know she had clubbed her brother with a baseball bat or was aggressive with other children.

    The red flag to me was when Jodi said her parents abuse began at age 7. Sociopaths have no fear, conscience, empathy or respect for authority so when they are punished for bad behavior, they feel abused. Jodi lies so much that it’s likely that she was simply disciplined and made up the abuse like she made up the stories about Travis sexually, emotionally and physically abusing her.

    Jodi joined the Mormon Church to please Travis, seduced him because she knew he was a virgin and felt abused by Travis because he didn’t want to marry her and was dating other women. She felt she was justified in killing him because he didn’t want her.

    She even said: “If I get convicted, it will be because of the choices I made.” She probably means her choice to lie to cops and go on TV and say no jury would convict her.

    She will never see she is going to be convicted of first degree murder because of these choices: stealing her grandfather’s gun and ammunition, renting a car 90 miles from her home, removing the license plate, borrowing gas cans, turning off her phone to hide she was in Arizona June 4, 2008, luring Travis in the shower on the pretense of a photo shoot and stabbing him 29 times in the heart, chest, back, neck and slitting his throat and then shooting him in the head.

    She will never take responsibility for her actions. I bet once she is convicted she will continue to lie, change her story and fight to get out of prison.

  253. 03/16/2013 at 7:50 pm

    WhereIsSHE, ChrissieA and Observer, thanks for responding to my post. I have never done this before EVER, so this blog stuff intimidates me. Your comments on what I wrote made me feel validated somehow.

    Yes, that email sure makes JA look like a vicious, vitriolic adversary to an innocent young girl she didn’t even know. She was damning the girl for messing around with what JA considered hers. I think that religion is one of the few things that can drive a person to such madness. If they think they have God on their side …

    And another thing about the knife … She already had herself a slasher knife, she used it to slash TA’s tires, TWICE. And his girlfriend’s tires, too! I bet she used the same knife to slash his throat.

    JA’s story about the knife being upstairs because it was used to cut the rope … I don’t believe it. If she was tied up, TA would have taken a picture if that, several pictures if it really turned him on. Also, there would be 2 ropes for JA to gather up and take with her to later throw in the Dumpster. She claims the rope was 20 feet long and TA cut it, so then there would be 2 pieces of rope. She never said anything about there being 2 pieces of rope. She speaks in depth about the one he used on the bed but never mentions the other piece. If there really was another piece, possibly in the bathroom where he supposedly cut the rope, chances are it would have been included with the bloody towels she scooped up off the floor (along with the camera) and put in the washing machine. That’s how I think the camera came to be found there.

    Sick. Twisted. Evil. Conniving. You’re so right with your subhed for this blog, there are monsters among us.

  254. Observer
    03/16/2013 at 8:02 pm

    Correction on my Post 265. Sentence should read: I did not know her parents thought she had something to do with Travis’s murder

  255. WhereIsSHE
    03/16/2013 at 8:38 pm

    Ham S post #207 and Observer reply post # 254:
    I am not Mormon, but I have done my share of varied reading over the last few decades, and I hadn’t thought of this until this tangent, but I just had a literary flashback to the notion of “Blood Atonement” in Mormonism as discussed by author Mikal Gilmore in his biographical/autobiographical memoir (yes, it is both about his own history and that of his infamous brother, Gary Gilmore, whose story formed the basis of Norman Mailor’s “The Executioner’s Song”) titled “Shot In The Heart”. The idea–or the indoctrination– is summed up as follows (during a scene where in the film version of his narrative, the scenes of Gary’s execution in 1977 are interspersed with flashbacks to a dark night in Utah in the nineteenth century. A man is dragged screaming from his cabin by a group of Danites – who Mikal called Brigham Young’s “secret protectors, police, and avengers” – and held over a hole in the ground while his throat is slit. Mikal and Gary’s mother can be heard over both scenes: : “Would you love that man or woman enough to shed their blood? This is loving our neighbor as ourselves. If he needs help, help him. And if he wants salvation, and if he should commit an offense that requires you to spill his blood on the earth in order that he be saved, spill it. That is the way to love mankind. That is what Brigham Young said.”

    I think Jodi was as much of a true Mormon as she was a true Vampire-Hunter. By that I mean that she was a chameleon, all along, adopting whatever beliefs/convictions/faith suited whomever she was pursuing at any given period of time in her life, up to and including the fateful day she met Travis.

    But it is quite possible that she would use the idea of “spilling [Travis’] blood” as an atestment to her “love” for Travis in order to “bring about his salvation”, just in order to justify it in her own twisted mind. I think the KNIFE was always intended to be the murder weapon. The gun was there for purposes of gaining control, and she only used it–at the very end– because she could not tolerate the fact that Travis was fighting for his life, even after she had plunged the knife into his body 27 times and slashed his neck from ear to ear.

    The gunshot wasn’t to put Travis “out of HIS misery”, rather, it was for HERSELF, to put HER out of HER “misery” of having to hear him moan or even just to see his body move in any manner.

    When you read that totally twisted, dark and threatening email she anonymously sent to the sweet young lady Travis was dating in the Spring of ’08 (which I linked above as part of Detective Flores’ Investigation Report), one can only imagine the seriously sick and hurtful things she is likely to have screamed at Travis while holding him at gunpoint, waiting for the right moment to strike him with the knife; what insane and bizarre and hurtful things she was likely screaming at him while she initiated and then continued her relentless attack.

    There is no “nice” Jodi. The “pacifist” she portrayed in her journals was a lie. The sweet, soft-spoken Jodi is nothing but a mask.

    If it hadn’t happened to Travis, it would have happened to someone else, which is why the “self-defense” story (and the alleged pedophilia horseCRAP) is all the more INSIDIOUS. Truly insidious.

    **I am not saying that the notion/concept of “spilling blood” is, in fact, part of the Mormon faith. I was only linking it to the book I referenced. I have no intention of misrepresenting the Mormon faith; am open to hear what others with more intimate, personal knowledge know about this topic; apologize, in advance, if any offense is taken, as none was intended whatsoever.

    • 03/16/2013 at 11:18 pm

      WhereIsShe: That is the most profound insight. Thanks for sharing!’nn

  256. donchais
  257. WhereIsSHE
    03/16/2013 at 9:05 pm

    Ham S post #273-
    Agreed.
    There is zero doubt that Jodi brought the knife with her for the purpose of killing Travis, and there is zero doubt that she took it with her and discarded it in some location she will never disclose.

    Notice how she was not ABLE to say, “I didn’t take the knife with me.” Rather, she kept saying, “the knife DIDN’T GO WITH ME”.
    Think about that language.
    It’s actually TRUE, in a LITERAL SENSE, that the knife didn’t “go with” her.
    A knife is an INANIMATE OBJECT.
    It cannot “GO” anywhere without having someone–or some thing (a gust of wind; an animal’s mouth or paw)–MOVE it.
    She could not bring herself to say that SHE didn’t take it with her.
    She kept saying that the knife did NOT GO WITH her.

    Same kind of little word game she played with the whole “HE WOULDN’T STOP!” nonsense.

    Same kind of little word games she played/tried to play with JM during her cross-examination.

    But back to the point: agree 100% that it was HER knife (and highly likely the knife she used to slash his tires, assuming she had it sharpened in between the tires and his throat, because that knife had to have been extremely sharp for her to have inflicted that particular wound as “cleanly” as she did).

    And while I certainly cannot prove it, my guess is that Travis had NO IDEA that Jodi would be arriving at his house that night. A guy who is waiting up for a woman to arrive, especially in the middle of the night, would be hyper aware of any car noise/car door closing outside of his home, especially in a very quiet suburban setting.
    Also? He surely would have been attempting to call/text her to check on her status/expected time of arrival, etc.

    IMO, she ambushed him.
    Who knows what was going on in that bedroom for so many hours.
    Who knows if those photos on the bed were taken voluntarily by Travis– or whether he was held at gunpoint– or whether a timer was used to make it appear as though certain shots were taken by Travis (as opposed to BY JODI, OF HERSELF).

    I think it’s most likely that Travis was under duress, at the very least, the entire time she was there. I think she put her hair in those braids for those photos ON PURPOSE. I think this was premeditated for far longer in advance than can be proven in a court of law.

    While she may have simply fantasized about it beforehand, my guess is that she started to form an actual revenge murder plot the hour or minute she departed Mesa in that Uhaul on her way back to Yreka in the Spring of ’08.

  258. Bethany
    03/16/2013 at 9:54 pm

    Laine :

    Bethany :Laine: Wow! this is really compelling!! It comes from the same site as my post above. Very well put together!
    I think the most disturbing part about this video clip is when Jodi is being interviewed by Det. Flores and she keeps saying that Travis was not moving but she could tell he was still conscious.

    I agree Bethany! I wonder how much of that was the truth, it made me feel quite sick!

    In my opinion I think the only part about what she was saying that was a lie was the two ninjas. Everything else she was describing was probably the truth which is much, much, worse than her lies because this proves that he suffered a lot before he died and that makes me absolutely sick to my stomach to even think about. I pray that his family will soon have peace once she is convicted.

  259. Ci Ci's Circle
    03/16/2013 at 9:55 pm

    MMD :

    LadyInRed :
    I’ve been a lurker of this blog for quite some time, having followed the Christian/Newsom murders, as well as the trials of Hope Schreiner (VT) and Melanie McGuire (NJ). This is a wonderful and informative blog, donchais. One thing that really stood out for me in the headstand clip … why are JA’s feet so dirty???

    Welcome LadyinRED. I was a lurker for the longest time. As for her feet, maybe she forgot to shower because she was so rushing to leave that morning, not knowing she was under surveillance.
    As I said above If you are obsessed with this case then you’ll fit right in. We are also really kinda major league fans of Juan Martinez.

    Also, we do not attack each other as they do on the other sites! We share our opinions, offer support, answer questions, and guide the less capable internet users. We feel safe here!

  260. Observer
    03/16/2013 at 10:04 pm

    Re: Where is SHE post 276
    Here’s the official LDS Church’s position on Blood atonement:

    http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/EoM/id/4391/show/5525

    I agree with this statement completely:
    I think Jodi was as much of a true Mormon as she was a true Vampire-Hunter. By that I mean that she was a chameleon, all along, adopting whatever beliefs/convictions/faith suited whomever she was pursuing at any given period of time in her life, up to and including the fateful day she met Travis

  261. 03/16/2013 at 10:16 pm

    Could not make the 12hours and the goofy pills well….. So a very massive thanks to all of you for your insights. The web links have been interesting as some I had not seen and some I needed to see again. I tend to miss things trying to take it all in so I find I re-read your comments to get it all back into perspective. Hoping with all hope the jury will do the right thing and go for the DP. She said if she did anything to Travis she should get the BIG DP, so let her have it!!! It is time for Judge Stephens to put a kabash on the defense with their dog &pony show. I know she has her guidelines but trying to bring in new information at the last minute is way below low. The defense is grasping, they are not fooling anyone.
    My biggest frustration is that our judicial system is such that, “the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth” is kept from the jury. If they knew all that we know I do not think they would hesitate in the DP.

  262. Observer
    03/16/2013 at 10:22 pm

    WhereIsSHE :</strong
    And while I certainly cannot prove it, my guess is that Travis had NO IDEA that Jodi would be arriving at his house that night. A guy who is waiting up for a woman to arrive, especially in the middle of the night, would be hyper aware of any car noise/car door closing outside of his home, especially in a very quiet suburban setting.Also? He surely would have been attempting to call/text her to check on her status/expected time of arrival, etc.
    IMO, she ambushed himWhile she may have simply fantasized about it beforehand, my guess is that she started to form an actual revenge murder plot the hour or minute she departed Mesa in that Uhaul on her way back to Yreka in the Spring of ’08.

    I couldn’t have said it better myself.

    • Karen
      03/16/2013 at 11:04 pm

      Observer :
      Re: Where is SHE post 276
      Here’s the official LDS Church’s position on Blood atonement:
      http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/EoM/id/4391/show/5525
      I agree with this statement completely:
      I think Jodi was as much of a true Mormon as she was a true Vampire-Hunter. By that I mean that she was a chameleon, all along, adopting whatever beliefs/convictions/faith suited whomever she was pursuing at any given period of time in her life, up to and including the fateful day she met Travis

      I agree..I have a younger sister who is now 41, but through all her dating years and both her marriages chose to adopt her “mans” philosophys, beliefs, likes and dislikes, for everything from sports to politics to food and she has never been abused, that was just a willfull, conscious choice she made and my other sisters and I never understood it, but there are women that live their lives like that and are happy and it works. In JA case Travis didn’t really want her no matter how much she tried to conform to be the woman she thought he wanted and this drove her MAD.

  263. Bethany
    03/16/2013 at 10:23 pm

    I was out browsing about when I came across this website http://stoopidhousewives.com/2013/03/13/jodi-arias-trial-the-murder-of-travis-alexander-trial-continues-today-day-18-of-jodi-arias-testifying/. Just thought if anyone was interested they could go check it out. There’s some pretty funny texts with pictures of her on it.

  264. NancyB
    03/16/2013 at 10:41 pm

    JesusFreak :

    i missed the hearing, is ther a video of it anywhere. ty.

    JF – The hearing was cancelled on Friday due to a death in one of the lawyers family. It’s now scheduled for Monday at 10:15 AM.

    • janeto
      03/16/2013 at 11:01 pm

      @nancyb- do you know which lawyer?

  265. Bethany
    03/16/2013 at 11:06 pm

    Chrissie A: I’m not sure if this is what you were looking for, but there is a scene where Jodi is looking in the direction of Gus2 and she has a very affectionate expression on her face. Once again I’m not sure if this is what you were looking for but thought I would post this to so you could check it out. The video clip is a total of 36 minutes but if you scroll toward 33:12 it shows her looking in his direction. However, it doesn’t show his face during this, so I am sure its not what you were looking for. But it does kinda give you an idea of what your describing by the look on her face. I could be looking at it wrong not sure. http://youtu.be/dzDXJVaFAN4

  266. Observer
    03/16/2013 at 11:19 pm

    I thought it was just a rumor that Matt McCartney forged the pedophile letters for Jodi Arias. I never knew that he testified in 2910 and 2011 that the letters were real. I knew experts said they were forgeries and the defense wanted them in anyway. They were not admitted. I had to laugh when Shanna Hogan, who is writing a book about the murder, said Martinez told Matt McCartney if he testified about the letters in court that he would have him up for perjury “before his feet hit the ground.” I don’t expect the defense will call McCartney because Martinez will bring up how she tried to get McCartney to lie for her. He ought to help put this woman behind bars because if she gets out she will plunge a knife in his heart and slit his throat.

  267. Karen
    03/16/2013 at 11:24 pm

    I heard that the forged letters were some form of digitalcopy that they didn’t even have originals.

  268. LadyInRed
    03/16/2013 at 11:25 pm

    Enjoy! It really is a great group of people!

    Thank you MMD! I look forward to chatting with you and others!

  269. Karen
    03/16/2013 at 11:33 pm

    Does anyone remember JA testimony by her attorney after JM when she was being asked about the pictures she had taken that included her neck after the supposed strangulation by TA the day she was leaving Mesa? She stated she covered her neck with makeup, if she was strangled to the point of blacking out and then awaking confused “thinking Oh my where is the dog” she also thought to put makeup on her neck and take photos. Wow I need me soe FOG.

  270. Observer
    03/16/2013 at 11:34 pm

    Karen :I heard that the forged letters were some form of digitalcopy that they didn’t even have originals.

    What does digital copy mean?

    • Karen
      03/16/2013 at 11:36 pm

      I believe a picture of letters, not the originals.

    • donchais
      03/16/2013 at 11:37 pm

      They have no originals…photo stats only…no proof….

  271. Karen
    03/16/2013 at 11:38 pm

    I looked it up “a commercially distributed computer file”.

  272. Chrissie A
    03/16/2013 at 11:41 pm

    Bethany :
    Chrissie A: I’m not sure if this is what you were looking for, but there is a scene where Jodi is looking in the direction of Gus2 and she has a very affectionate expression on her face. (if you scroll toward 33:12 it shows her looking in his direction)

    Thanks so much for finding that, I see the smirk, I just wish that she would do that more in front of the jury, and yes it was definitely in his direction. The footage I was looking for is when Gus2 was testifying in front of the jury and he had to leave the witness stand and walk over to the defense table to prepare one of his “props” for viewing. The footage I saw was from the angle of the jury box, all the clips I’ve searched cut to the camera at the back of the courtroom when he gets to the table, consequently the exchange between the two of them is not quite as evident. HLN picked up on it verbally, but no footage there either. Regardless that is a great clip that you found and it was really thoughtful of you, Thanks again, 🙂

  273. Karen
    03/16/2013 at 11:41 pm

    The originals were lost in the fog but someone had the forethought to make copies don’t ya know. LOL

  274. Observer
    03/16/2013 at 11:49 pm

    What’s so crazy about the pedophile story is it makes no sense and what does it have to do with anything. Is she trying to the jury should give her a medal for ridding the world of a pedophile? It isn’t enough that she murdered Travis, now she is murdering his reputation.

    I’ve never heard anyone say a bad word about Travis. Everybody loved him. People who knew Jodi had plenty of bad things to say about Jodi.

    • Karen
      03/16/2013 at 11:57 pm

      I think she is trying to say that the violence started the very next day after she saw him supposedly masterbating to pictures on Jan 21 and on Jan 22 was the first incident of violence she says directly related to the 21st. In her fable him being a pedophile caued him to abuse her. IMO.

  275. Karen
    03/16/2013 at 11:53 pm

    JM alluded to the fact that Matt mcCartney did not see bruises on her neck and JA alluded to the fact that she might not be able to trust him any longer. Could there possibly be a bomb waiting to explode?

  276. Karen
    03/17/2013 at 12:01 am

    I find it telling that from the very night Travis was found everyone involved mentioned JA in their statement obviously everyone he knew had some type of negative feeling about her, why does she not have friends to say otherwise.

  277. Observer
    03/17/2013 at 12:05 am

    Flores even says when interrogating Jodi Arias that when he asked everyone who knew Travis who would want to kill him, they named her. She says she can’t imagine why they’d say that. In that interview she said she wasn’t there, would never hurt Travis and if she did kill somebody she’d wear gloves.

    In the interview where she changed her story to two masked intruders killed Travis and let her go, Flores asked her why would anybody want to kill Travis since everybody who knew him loved him. She knew she’d be rotting in prison the rest of her life unless she made Travis the devil and her the angel who tried to save his soul so after two years of stewing in her tiny cell, the Pedophile/abuser was born.

    • Karen
      03/17/2013 at 12:11 am

      Agreed..after sitting and stewing and studying the books her witness/prisonmate Kimberly (who worked in the prison library at the time) brought to her to read.

  278. Bethany
    03/17/2013 at 12:12 am

    @Chrissie A: Sorry I wasn’t successful in finding the clip…I wish I were computer literate enough to find all these great links everyone else finds. You have found some really good ones. So, thank you for sharing them with us I really appreciate it. I’m like all the other people here who have said they can’t discuss the Jodi arias trial with their families. My family thinks I am obsessed with this trial…well, they’re correct. Ever since I came across the trial and this website I haven’t been able to get this case off my mind. I just hope and pray the jury is able to see what we see and convict her!

  279. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 12:14 am

    Karen :

    Observer :
    Re: Where is SHE post 276
    Here’s the official LDS Church’s position on Blood atonement:
    http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/EoM/id/4391/show/5525
    I agree with this statement completely:
    I think Jodi was as much of a true Mormon as she was a true Vampire-Hunter. By that I mean that she was a chameleon, all along, adopting whatever beliefs/convictions/faith suited whomever she was pursuing at any given period of time in her life, up to and including the fateful day she met Travis

    I agree..I have a younger sister who is now 41, but through all her dating years and both her marriages chose to adopt her “mans” philosophys, beliefs, likes and dislikes, for everything from sports to politics to food and she has never been abused, that was just a willfull, conscious choice she made and my other sisters and I never understood it, but there are women that live their lives like that and are happy and it works. In JA case Travis didn’t really want her no matter how much she tried to conform to be the woman she thought he wanted and this drove her MAD.

    I concur with both of you, that is why “HamSandwich'” post made so much sense to me. I feel that any belief is fine until it becomes radical. I had a cousin that was constantly searching for something, anything to believe in. He was a diagnosed schizophrenic but refused to accept it or get any help, he instead joined a cult, who in turn led him to believe he had to rid himself of the devil. He committed suicide in his early 30’s. A bit of a subject sway here but I think that there are a small percentage of people that use beliefs to wrongly advise others that are easily influenced or to make excuses for their evil behavior. I do not consider those types to be true to anything.

  280. Karen
    03/17/2013 at 12:28 am

    I want to tell a story… about 20 years ago I was robbed at knife point by a man on a bike in a ski mask as I was going into work one morning, as I was hitting the curb he pulls up beside me, I didn’t see him coming, he yells give me your purse I freeze, I don’t move a muscle, I still can’t really explain the fear I felt, I can remember thinking it was the biggest butcher knife I had ever seen, I remember that it was early in the morning it was warm , where I was, where he was, what he said, every detail. Anyway I gave him my purse, and he pedals off, I run screaming into the building, someone from inside goes out and chases him, because he is after all on a bike, he is eventually caught, turns out he was a mental patient who stopped taking his meds. My point is I never went into a fog, I remember everything, but I did have a side effect if you want to call it that for several years after that I didnot carry a purse, afraid that a purse on my shoulder would invite another robbery. If JA was truly a victim of abuse at the hands of TA why (even with a gun for…just in case) would she be making plans to go camping with a group of barely known men so soon after just being forced to kill dsomeone in self defense?

  281. Karen
    03/17/2013 at 12:43 am

    My instincts and that experience tell me that in the inital moments of confrontation a normal inexperienced person freezes, especially when your in a place when your comfortable and you feel safe and I believe that is why she was able to over take Travis as he was in the shower seated when she first stabbed him.

  282. Nancy Pennington
    03/17/2013 at 12:48 am

    Just wondering if anyone knows why, when JA was arrested, she was heading to Monterey? She had a bs story about going there to commit suicide but I wonder if she was going to try to hook back up with Daryl or (brother-like) Matt. I find it hard to believe she could go very long w/out a man.
    Could she have been thinking about Canada or Mexico??

  283. LadyInRed
    03/17/2013 at 1:07 am

    One of the most difficult days of my life about 8 yrs ago was driving downtown and going down into the bowels of our county bldg to meet with a detective about pursuing an order of protection (just a creep, no DV involved). I remember walking past doors reinforced with wire, many court and police officers with multiple weapons, badges and all manner of control, sitting in the hall in a stiff chair until it was my turn, and felt that I was suffocating while being underground several levels. I made it through that day, and as much as I would like to forget those details, they are etched in my memory forever. JA’a so-called fog, fugue, convenient anmesia, whatever … LIR calls bah, humbug!! She’s as quack as that expert!

  284. Observer
    03/17/2013 at 1:16 am

    Karen :JM alluded to the fact that Matt mcCartney did not see bruises on her neck and JA alluded to the fact that she might not be able to trust him any longer. Could there possibly be a bomb waiting to explode?

    Martinez already dropped the bomb when he brought up the two magazines Jodi tried to smuggle out of prison to Matt McCartney in 2011 with a coded message (from memory):
    “You fucked up. What you told my attorney directly contradicts what I’ve been saying for a year. Come see me ASAP. We can fix this. I loved the interview.”

    Nurmi almost had a coronary and spurted all kinds of objections that caused a sidebar. I think he quicly scratched McCartney off his witness list.

    I suspect this is about the bruises since McCartney was already threatened with perjury for forging the pedophile letters.

  285. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 1:34 am

    Karen :
    I want to tell a story… about 20 years ago I was robbed at knife point by a man on a bike in a ski mask as I was going into work one morning, as I was hitting the curb he pulls up
    beside me, I didn’t see him coming, he yells give me your purse I freeze, I don’t move a muscle, I still can’t really explain the fear I felt, I can remember thinking it was the biggest butcher knife I had ever seen, I remember that it was early in the morning it was warm , where I was, where he was, what he said, every detail. Anyway I gave him my purse, and he pedals off, I run screaming into the building, someone from inside goes out and chases him, because he is after all on a bike, he is eventually caught, turns out he was a mental patient who stopped taking his meds. My point is I never went into a fog, I remember everything, but I did have a side effect if you want to call it that for several years after that I didnot carry a purse, afraid that a purse on my shoulder would invite another robbery. If JA was truly a victim of abuse at the hands of TA why (even with a gun for…just in case) would she be making plans to go camping with a group of barely known men so soon after just being forced to kill dsomeone in self defense?

    Whoa! I’m so sorry that happened to you but glad you came away from it relatively unscathed! I had my purse simply stolen many moons ago and I still don’t carry a full purse unless I am out with others – we women tend to carry our lives around with us in our purses!
    I’m actually more scared of knives than I am of guns, (I have been threatened with both) Maybe it’s because I grew up in England and that is their weapon of choice! I’m glad that we seem to have a few elders on this jury and I’m hoping that they have had life experiences similar to all of us on this blog and will use those in judgement of her flimsy evidence in this case.

  286. LadyInRed
    03/17/2013 at 1:36 am

    oh good grief … Hal B @Orlando Sentinel is reporting that blowhard Baez is going to defend JA Monday night on HLN After Dark … wish I had the stomach to watch, but will conserve my energy for trial coverage via Twitter on Monday. http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2013/03/jose-baez-to-defend-jodi-arias-on-hln.html

  287. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 1:43 am

    Karen :

    My instincts and that experience tell me that in the inital moments of confrontation a normal inexperienced person freezes, especially when your in a place when your comfortable and you feel safe and I believe that is why she was able to over take Travis as he was in the shower seated when she first stabbed him.

    Plus he knew what a crazy psycho bitch he was dealing with and she wasn’t to be taken lightly.

  288. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 1:55 am

    LadyInRed :
    oh good grief … Hal B @Orlando Sentinel is reporting that blowhard Baez is going to defend JA Monday night on HLN After Dark … wish I had the stomach to watch, but will conserve my energy for trial coverage via Twitter on Monday. http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2013/03/jose-baez-to-defend-jodi-arias-on-hln.html

    Ugh… I’ll avoid that like the herp on her lip 🙂

  289. Bethany
    03/17/2013 at 3:12 am

    I have a random question. I read about an arrest record for Travis alexander not too long ago but decided to ignore it because I thought it was probably a misunderstanding that was misconstrued. Then later there was a brief mention of it here earlier, and if I understood it correctly, someone had said it was actually travis’ brother. So now I am confused was Travis actually arrested at some point when he was younger in riverside county?

  290. Gigi
    03/17/2013 at 3:21 am

    Observer :
    I’m not surprised Jodi Arias was doing headstands, laughing, worrying about not having her makeup on and singing after she is arrested for murder. She even said on national TV she smiled in her mug shot because she didn’t take her arrest seriously. She said she knew she would be out in a few days because she was innocent.
    It’s typical psychopathic behavior. Committing murder and trying to outsmart, the cops, prosecutors and jurors is a game to psychopaths. They don’t have a conscience, fear or empathy like the normal person. That’s why she could plan, execute and cover up the brutal murder of the man whom she felt done her wrong.
    Only a psychopath could stab her ex lover 29 times, slit his throat, shoot him in the head and be in the arms of a new lover a few hours later.

    I always thought it very revealing in her explaining-the-mugshot interview, when she said she asked herself ‘what would Travis do in this situation–barring the fact that Travis wouldn’t get himself into this situation in the first place–” – in other words, Travis didn’t get himself into that situation, she did herself…to me that little statement is an admission of guilt.

  291. Gigi
    03/17/2013 at 5:49 am

    Just one other thing that I was thinking about….I thought that in trials, if the defense gets to have the client evaluated by psychiatrists then the prosecution could also have had her evaluated by their own experts? And shouldn’t such evalutions have included a battery of tests and not just immediatley pick PTSD’? What about the psychopathy checklist – from the FBI site here http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder:

    “Dr. Hare and his associates developed the Psychopathy Check List Revised (PCL-R) and its derivatives, which provide a clinical assessment of the degree of psychopathy an individual possesses. These instruments measure the distinct cluster of personality traits and socially-deviant behaviors of an individual, which fall into four factors: interpersonal, affective, lifestyle, and anti-social.

    The interpersonal traits include glibness, superficial charm, a grandiose sense of self-worth, pathological lying, and the manipulation of others. The affective traits include a lack of remorse and/or guilt, shallow affect, a lack of empathy, and failure to accept responsibility. The lifestyle behaviors include stimulation-seeking behavior, impulsivity, irresponsibility, parasitic orientation, and a lack of realistic life goals. The anti-social behaviors include poor behavioral controls, early childhood behavior problems, juvenile delinquency, revocation of conditional release, and criminal versatility. The combination of these individual personality traits, interpersonal styles, and socially deviant lifestyles are the framework of psychopathy an d can manifest themselves differently in individual psychopaths”

    OMG that describes JA completely….especially the ‘parasitic orientation’.

  292. Laine
    03/17/2013 at 6:18 am

    Bethany :I have a random question. I read about an arrest record for Travis alexander not too long ago but decided to ignore it because I thought it was probably a misunderstanding that was misconstrued. Then later there was a brief mention of it here earlier, and if I understood it correctly, someone had said it was actually travis’ brother. So now I am confused was Travis actually arrested at some point when he was younger in riverside county?

    Bethany – Travis brother was arrested and used his name. Travis was cleared through the fingerprints and photos.

    http://www.giantcomfort.com/fingerprint-records-clear-travis-alexanders-name/

  293. Laine
    03/17/2013 at 7:35 am

    Gigi #319

    It’s really interesting..although JA cannot be considered a serial killer as such. She does seem to fit the criteria Particulary:

    Psychopaths are not sensitive to altruistic interview themes, such as sympathy for their victims or remorse/guilt over their crimes. They do possess certain personality traits that can be exploited, particularly their inherent narcissism, selfishness, and vanity. Specific themes in past successful interviews of psychopathic serial killers focused on praising their intelligence, cleverness, and skill in evading capture.

  294. 03/17/2013 at 8:14 am

    Hi Donchais and All, hope I’m not intruding.

    I’m an Aussie who had no idea this trial was going on but happened serendipitously to find out last week. I’ve had a strong interest in Jodi Arias since viewing her on a 48 Hours documentary – her psychological make up is fascinating.

    Sooo… I have been obsessively trying to catch up on the trial – watching the days in order from the 1st. I’m getting closer now – up to day 31. On about day 28 or so I was zoning out on a Nurmi/JA session so was browsing on google and ran across your blog. Donchais.. I laughed out loud at your comments and wanted to thank you for the comic relief. I love your commentaries and inserts. Im so looking forward to my tin foil hat!

    I was going to make a post regarding Robert Hare but just noticed someone already referenced him. I’ll do it anyhow. I have had no time to read through most of the comments so please forgive me if I’m rehashing someone else’s post.

    I’d just like to point this out regards Gus2 haha…… (my first thought also when he sat at the defense table “my god he looks just like sleazy Searcy)

    First off Jodi Arias is a psychopath. Samuels whole testimony is therefore undermined by this fact alone.

    I would suggest Dr Samuels please read Robert Hare PhD extremely insightful book ‘Without Conscience, the disturbing world of the psychopaths among us.” ( http://www.hare.org/ ) if he has read it, he needs to re-read it he seems to have memory loss on its subject matter. A cursory appraisal is all that’s required in this case.

    A therapeutic breakthrough? Puhlease! Arias took Samuels’ cues and merely created the next version. We saw her do this in the second part of the Flores interview after her arrest. when the idea for the intruder version hit her. (16 July 2008 I think it is, right when her body language changes and the two knees pose ensues.)

    The first version of “I was nowhere near” fell to bits. She was in her ‘fog’ because she knew she was losing control but as soon as Flores says something about Travis being a big guy it could have taken two ppl to take him down her demeanour and posture instantly change, as does her story.

    Her mind immediately goes into overdrive. She latches on to that and runs with it. The “fog” clears, the computer unfreezes she instantaneously starts crafting the two intruder version. Her confidence returns and she is back in her comfort zone and on a roll. The change is palpable.

    Obviously this is exactly what happened in the ‘rapport’ stage of the Samuels visits and voila we now have the self defense version. Text book behaviour for a psychopath.

    They are chameleons and will change their beliefs, morals, personality, persona to suit whatever they perceive they’re audience wants to see. They are seducers on every level to suit any situation. Goes directly to Arias “converting” to mormon faith to suit her pursuit of Travis. and of course the sexual manipulation to control him.

    ——————–

    Another excellent book on this is “Puzzling People, the labyrinth of a psychopath” by Thomas Sheridan

    • donchais
      03/17/2013 at 8:46 am

      Welcome Syntara!

  295. Observer
    03/17/2013 at 8:20 am

    Gigi, the state did have their own psychologist evaluate her. That testimony and findings will come in the rebuttal case. I don’t know if the judge will allow testimony on anti-social personality disorder. It may be deemed too prejudicial. Martinez and the jurors weren’t allowed to question Jodi on the stalking or slashing of tires, because it could be prejudicial and lead to a reversal of a guilty verdict but Mimi Hall testified to the stalking and tire slashing and the 911 caller mentioned it. Both of these are in evidence.

  296. Observer
    03/17/2013 at 8:36 am

    Jodi has testified she had oral sex, participated in kinky sex, taped the sex tape, moved to Mesa after the breakup. etc. because “Travis asked me to. I just wanted to please Travis.” She said she smiled in her arrest mugshot because “that’s whst Travis would do.” I wouldn’t have been surprised if she had said, “I stabbed him 29 times, slashed his throat and shot him in the head because he asked me to. I just wanted to please Travis.”

  297. Observer
    03/17/2013 at 8:40 am

    recorded the phone sex not taped the sex tape.

  298. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 9:38 am

    Syntara :
    Hi Donchais and All, hope I’m not intruding.
    I’m an Aussie who had no idea this trial was going on but happened serendipitously to find out last week. I’ve had a strong interest in Jodi Arias since viewing her on a 48 Hours documentary – her psychological make up is fascinating.
    Sooo… I have been obsessively trying to catch up on the trial

    Welcome Syntara to the group. We are a truly global group as this trial seems to have the word’s attention.

    If you are obsessed with this case then you’ll fit right in. We are also really kinda major league fans of Juan Martinez.

    An added bonus, our host donchais, graciously allows our obsessions, rants, frustrations and anger! Another bonus that donchais provides free of charge is that on days when there isn’t trial scheduled, she keeps us off the streets and out of trouble. Truly a public service in itself, although a great deal of online shopping does occur!

    The highlight though is her daily report on the trial proceeding complete with hilarious commentary!!! Enjoy! It really is a great group of people! 🙂

    • 03/17/2013 at 10:34 am

      MMD: I love your welcome dissertation!!! Being a ‘newbie’ to blogging, ( I am older and not particularly tech savvy) you make me feel like I have just entered in the front door of an friend.

      And Donchais has the greatest sense of humor through some of the most trying and utterly sad cases. What a talent!!!

  299. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 9:41 am

    Observer :
    I wouldn’t have been surprised if she had said, “I stabbed him 29 times, slashed his throat and shot him in the head because he asked me to. I just wanted to please Travis.”

    To tell ya the truth Observer, I’m surprised she hasn’t said that yet either! She is such a loon (once again no offence to the bird)!

  300. Observer
    03/17/2013 at 9:58 am

    Syntara #322, very insightful post. Glad to have your educated input. Seems like folks all over the world have heard about this horrendous crime. Since the 2008 murder, in all my travels, I almost dreaded the question, “Where are you from?” As soon as I said, “Mesa, Arizona” they’d say, “Oh, did you know that Mormon girl who murdered her boyfriend?” Jodi Arias brought disgrace on my community, state and church.

  301. 03/17/2013 at 10:02 am

    Donchais thankyou 🙂

    MMD “We are also really kinda major league fans of Juan Martinez.”

    I’m guessing this is akin to thinking he is the best thing since sliced bread, the bees knees or just plain awe-suhm?

    If so…. Im with you all the way I think he is fabulous. He gets Jodi to show her real self, an almost impossibility for her personality type. I’m surprised he doesnt have bandages on his head from banging his head on the wall every night – I feel for him.

  302. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 10:09 am

    Syntara :
    I’m guessing this is akin to thinking he is the best thing since sliced bread, the bees knees or just plain awe-suhm?
    If so…. Im with you all the way I think he is fabulous. He gets Jodi to show her real self, an almost impossibility for her personality type. I’m surprised he doesnt have bandages on his head from banging his head on the wall every night – I feel for him.

    Lol – yup, you pretty well summed up how we feel. And I agree about the banging his head. 🙂 I truly hope he is a runner or has some other way to work off the absolute frustration she and the rest of this defense causes him!

  303. 03/17/2013 at 10:31 am

    Im watching Gus2 at the moment… Is this the last day that will be on you tube ie Friday’s just gone? Will I need to find a live stream source after this? It’s day 31.

    Also can someone give me a time and zone related so I can do a conversion to my time to work out when it will be on? Something like say..10:30 pst or whatever so I can work it out… If its too much trouble thats fine I can research it just need the state the trial is in is that Arizona?

    Observer : wow!!! thats mind blowing to me. I never considered any of you being in Mesa – Id love to be in your brain to know what this has been like since the start. I could spend hours grilling you 🙂 You’d have such a different perspective than I do.

  304. Janeto
    03/17/2013 at 11:01 am

    Syntara :
    Hi Donchais and All, hope I’m not intruding.
    I’m an Aussie who had no idea this trial was going on but happened serendipitously to find out last week. I’ve had a strong interest in Jodi Arias since viewing her on a 48 Hours documentary – her psychological make up is fascinating.
    Sooo… I have been obsessively trying to catch up on the trial – watching the days in order from the 1st. I’m getting closer now – up to day 31. On about day 28 or so I was zoning out on a Nurmi/JA session so was browsing on google and ran across your blog. Donchais.. I laughed out loud at your comments and wanted to thank you for the comic relief. I love your commentaries and inserts. Im so looking forward to my tin foil hat!

    Welcome Syntara! Great Post!!! MMD has become our “welcome committee, so she speaks from all of us!!” She does that sooo well!! As for the “tin foil hat”, you’ve earned it by fitting right in here! Since you are so far away, I suppose MMD and I could give you some “antennas” to go with it! We have the patent on them, but we will share! Tee hee!! The “barf bags” are an added commodity! 🙂 This has become a very large people blog since I’ve found this site with newbies coming along on a daily basis! We all have pretty much become like “family”, and we all respect each others insite and comments. Everyone on here has a great sense of humor to add to the gore of this trial. Comic relief is a must, and the “peeps” on here are awesome! donchais is the best, and her helpers give her some added relief when she needs it! I wonder sometimes if she EVER sleeps! Well, must get back to my company. Just wanted to say “welcome Aussie”!

  305. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 11:03 am

    Vickee :
    Being a ‘newbie’ to blogging, ( I am older and not particularly tech savvy) you make me feel like I have just entered in the front door of an friend.

    Vickee – Your very welcome and that is the way that everyone made me feel when I first started on this blog. I had never poster on any other site because the comments are truly horrendous! As for not being particularly tech savvy, you’re preaching to the choir!!! 🙂 I think it was just last weekend when we had a discussion about how I still don’t have a smart phone and need to come into the 21st century! There are quite a few of us here who are not major tweeting or facebook fans. Personally, I just don’t see the point but I digress…..LOL

    As for your comments about donchais’ humour and talent, I couldn’t agree with you more!!! Her advocacy for victims is truly inspiring!

  306. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 11:04 am

    *** correction – You’re very welcome……..

    • 03/17/2013 at 11:52 am

      MMD: you make me laugh. I knew what you meant. I am doing this on a ‘smart phone’ and yes, it is smarter than I. Do not tweet or facebook. I am retired and 66 who cares what I do. It would all be about this trial anyway so I will just stick with those of like mind. Happy St. Patrick’s Day!

  307. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 11:08 am

    Janeto – you constantly crack me up! LOL

  308. Janeto
    03/17/2013 at 11:13 am

    MMD :
    Janeto – you constantly crack me up! LOL

    MMD, don’t want ya’ll to forget me! 🙂 your explanation to Vickee cracked me up talking about our smart and dumb phone conversation from last week…..TTFN= ta ta for now! 🙂

  309. Observer
    03/17/2013 at 11:14 am

    Syntara
    Observer : wow!!! thats mind blowing to me. I never considered any of you being in Mesa – Id love to be in your brain to know what this has been like since the start. I could spend hours grilling you You’d have such a different perspective than I do.

    There’s a lot of crime in the Phoenix area – serial killers, serial rapists, drive by shootings, home invasions, robberies, burglaries, assaults, domestic violence, a mother murdering her child so it’s just another crime here. You probably know as much about the Jodi Arias case as I do. All I know is what I read and saw on the news and Internet. I am only a few miles from the courthouse but I had no interest in attending the trial and I didn’t even watch all it because Jodi and her attorney disgust me with all the filthy lies about Travis. I didn’t know him but everyone who did loved him and said he was a great guy who loved life. I have educated myself on all the facts and evidence and I am confident that the jury will focus on that and see Jodi is a monster who is guilty of premeditated murder and sentence her to death.

    • 03/17/2013 at 12:02 pm

      Observer: I entertained the thought of coming to Mesa, but realized the more I watched the ‘skank’ the more I would have a problem not having any reactions in court. I am so pressed with Travis’ family for being there each day so composed while listening to all the vile lies about their brother. So have not make the trek.

    • 03/17/2013 at 12:05 pm

      Observer: meant ‘impressed’. You would think this smart phone would fix my mistakes.

  310. 03/17/2013 at 11:15 am

    Not sure if anyone is interested but this is a far better explanation of Jodi’s brain function (infact she barely has one LOL)…. than the one presented by Gus2. Robert Hare is the creator of the psychopathic checklist that is used worldwide and is a standard that determines psychopathy on a scaled basis. This is an MRI he did on a psychopath.

    This explains why she can casually say “I didn’t say it was the only possibility with the camera, so that wasn’t correct the way you asked it… And I don’t know that his throat is slit in that picture either”. (13 March, Day 30 of trial if my you tube reference is correct.)

    A statement that made me audibly gasp but to her it was said as flippantly as “I don’t even know that Id given him a cup of coffee in that picture either”

    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=oaTfdKYbudk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DoaTfdKYbudk

  311. Janeto
    03/17/2013 at 11:22 am

    Observer :

    Syntara
    Observer : wow!!! thats mind blowing to me. I never considered any of you being in Mesa – Id love to be in your brain to know what this has been like since the start. I could spend hours grilling you You’d have such a different perspective than I do.

    There’s a lot of crime in the Phoenix area – serial killers, serial rapists, drive by shootings, home invasions, robberies, burglaries, assaults, domestic violence, a mother murdering her child so it’s just another crime here. You probably know as much about the Jodi Arias case as I do. All I know is what I read and saw on the news and Internet. I am only a few miles from the courthouse but I had no interest in attending the trial

    @observer- wow! I wouldn’t know if I could go to the trial either if I lived that close to the courthouse….I would like to, but I know myself too well, that I might jump over the railing, grab that piece of garbage, and let her feel how a REAL body slam feels like!! She would NOT get up for a while!!!! Then say “That’s from Travis AND his family!!!” ARRRRGGGG! And me and MMD are getting the chair charged up just for her!!! And YES donchais, that’s how I really feel!! 🙂

  312. 03/17/2013 at 11:26 am

    Observer : …. Wow THIS is just another murder??? forgive me …. but plse move NOW!!! 😉

    Janeto … Thankyou for the extra antennae usage.. That will come in very handy. How thoughtful :p

  313. Janeto
    03/17/2013 at 11:35 am

    This explains why she can casually say “I didn’t say it was the only possibility with the camera, so that wasn’t correct the way you asked it… And I don’t know that his throat is slit in that picture either”. (13 March, Day 30 of trial if my you tube reference is correct.)
    A statement that made me audibly gasp but to her it was said as flippantly as “I don’t even know that Id given him a cup of coffee in that picture either”
    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=oaTfdKYbudk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DoaTfdKYbudk

    Syntara- I agree. I about fell out of my chair when she said “I don’t know that his throat is slit in that picture either!” very flippantly indeed. No fake tears, just bluntly speaking as if it is so mundane! What a piece of work this one is…..scary….

  314. WhereIsSHE
    03/17/2013 at 11:44 am

    Observer :Re: Where is SHE post 276Here’s the official LDS Church’s position on Blood atonement:
    http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/EoM/id/4391/show/5525
    I agree with this statement completely:I think Jodi was as much of a true Mormon as she was a true Vampire-Hunter. By that I mean that she was a chameleon, all along, adopting whatever beliefs/convictions/faith suited whomever she was pursuing at any given period of time in her life, up to and including the fateful day she met Travis

    Thanks for the reference material, Observer.

    Official church policy certainly would not support a sole paritioner’s interpretation of “blood atonement”, but that never stops the twisted, sick and/or simply criminal mind from interpreting doctrine as she/he sees fit.

    I had never considered that Jodi might be manipulating religious doctrie and using it in a self-serving manner in her personal justification to herself) with regard to her plans to murder Travis until I read the anonymous email that she sent to Lisa (the young woman Travis was dating in the Spring of ’08), which was replete with religious references.

    The main theme of Jodi Arias is: the rules she would so harshly impose on anyone and everyone else (who she ffeels betrays her or gets in her way, etc) do not apply to Jodi herself, be they religious laws/doctrine or our criminal statutes. And this point I make for a reason.

    So many of the pundits simply assume that this was a crime of jealousy. And certainly jealousy and anger from Travis’ rejection of her were key motivational factors. But there is more to it than just that. This is a woman who truly believes that the rules which apply to the rest of society do NOT apply to HER and her alone. You see examples from her own historical accounts of her teen years, flubbing her nose at her prents’ authority in the home. One can only imagine the kinds of behaviors she engagedin as a child. A whack with a wooden spoon IF that ever did occur) was simply never going to generate the creation of a CONSCIENCE in her brain. She is a classic “sociopath” (classified as “antisocial personality disorder” in the DSM).

  315. 03/17/2013 at 11:47 am

    Janeto take a look at that vid I referenced. It explains it beautifully and graphically shows the dramatically different brain function that process uses. It’s text book psychopathy. Which renders Mr Smiley’s cousin’s (aka Gus2) testimony useless. Her brain simply doesn’t work like ours – either by choice or design.

  316. Janeto
    03/17/2013 at 12:03 pm

    Syntara :
    Janeto take a look at that vid I referenced. It explains it beautifully and graphically shows the dramatically different brain function that process uses. It’s text book psychopathy. Which renders Mr Smiley’s cousin’s (aka Gus2) testimony useless. Her brain simply doesn’t work like ours – either by choice or design.

    Syntara- WOW!!!!! Amazing!! Now THERE is an EXPERT!!!! Good video!!! So right about Gus2 testiPHONY!!!

  317. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 12:06 pm

    Observer :
    I have educated myself on all the facts and evidence and I am confident that the jury will focus on that and see Jodi is a monster who is guilty of premeditated murder and sentence her to death.

    Syntara – That is very true that probably most of the world knows as much if not more than most people in AZ. Observer, however, is one of the best educated people on here about the case and is my ‘go to person’ when it comes to the Mormon faith as there are a lot of LDS families in the community.

    As for Janet – well of course we could never forget about you! 🙂 I nearly fell over when JA said that as well. But yet, when the autopsy photos were shown she faked crying and wouldn’t look at them when JM kept saying “Were you crying when you stabbed him 27 times…….”?

    As I keep saying, I have never been a proponent of the death penalty but I want JA to cease to exist!! She is pure evil. I don’t give a damn how many different syndromes that Dr. Quack or any other can come up with, she is simply a bad seed. The only positive her birth gave the world, as far as I can tell, is to provide science a chance to study her brain. Sooner rather than later!! I truly don’t want her to sit on death row for 20 years. I don’t want another family to have to go through what the Alexander family has and is still going through!!!

    Syntara – this is quite a switch for me as we don’t have the death penalty in Canada and I have always been glad of that. After watching, reading the documents and seeing the photos, I am so glad that JM is the prosecutor! He already has one woman in AZ on death row.

    BTW – do they have the DP in Australia?

  318. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 12:17 pm

    Vickee :
    Observer: I entertained the thought of coming to Mesa, but realized the more I watched the ‘skank’ the more I would have a problem not having any reactions in court. I am so pressed with Travis’ family for being there each day so composed while listening to all the vile lies about their brother. So have not make the trek.

    I think that we have the best seat in the house as we are able to see the faces of all the attorneys as well as the gallery. It would be nice to see the jury’s faces but donchais friend and Chrissie’s photos kind of give us a general idea. I just hope that the jury catches all the looks from JA that we see. As it is, I already want to reach through my computer screen and choke JA as well Wurmi so imagine what it would be like being that close to him. I know I wouldn’t be able to contain myself as times.

    BTW, you are sooooooooo far ahead of me if you have a smart phone!!!! LOL

    • 03/17/2013 at 2:13 pm

      MMD: my daughter insisted and then left me to learn by myself ……… WTH!!!!!

  319. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 12:19 pm

    RE: comment #350 – didn’t really mean to be quite SO emphatic! JA just brings out the worst in me! 😦

  320. Nancy Pennington
    03/17/2013 at 12:23 pm

    My husband and I , like many of you, are obsessed with this case and have a theory. We’ve been trying to figure out why this nice guy that seemed to be loved and respected by so many ppl would say some of the things the JA recorded. I think that he WAS a inexperienced young man who found himself involved with a very sexually experienced slut. So in order to “impress” her, due to his embarrassment over his lack of experience, he said things that he felt made him sound cool. Kinda like young kids swearing to make themselves sound cool.
    I’d wondered why JA felt the need to say “he certainly knew what he was doing” when describing the oral sex encounter at the Hughes’ house one week after meeting Travis. I think the truth is that she did him and had to cover up the fact that she was the one to introduce him to any kind of sex.

  321. Laine
    03/17/2013 at 12:30 pm

    Syntara #322 First welcome! and second thanks for you link it was very interesting! I also found this Link (below) ignoring the actual slides it gives a very interesting run down of the symptons which put in the context of JA are scarily acurate!

  322. 03/17/2013 at 12:32 pm

    MMD

    BTW – do they have the DP in Australia

    No definitely not and I’ve always been strongly and vehemently against it. I believe in studying these ppl while they are alive so you can measure brain activity and learn from them because the structure, it seems, is actually no different, so without activity study is rendered useless. I believe in keeping them locked up and studying them……

    …..But ….. Jodi Arias is just so dark and evil (look at her eyes you can barely see the pupils), I have to shamefully admit I’d unhesitatingly flick any switch in this case. I literally feel her evil through the TV. I seriously (probably ignorantly) doubt much can be learnt from her brain alive anyhow – she is seemingly unable to tell the truth. If there is something to learn, I’m uncharacteristically disinterested in what it might be I simply don’t want her living on my planet. I’ll choose a psychopath who hasn’t murdered anyone to study rather than one who has.

    Janeto glad you got some insight from the vid 🙂

  323. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 12:33 pm

    Nancy Pennington :
    I think the truth is that she did him and had to cover up the fact that she was the one to introduce him to any kind of sex.

    I think you hit the nail on the head Nancy!!! After all, we have only her word on so many things and she did threaten to destroy his reputation when she tried to get a plea for 2nd degree. She has certainly kept her word on doing that and we know that JA and the truth
    are not acquainted.

    I’m glad to see that you have someone in your house that you can talk about the trial with. Sadly, I think you are one of the very few!!!

  324. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 12:53 pm

    Laine :
    I also found this Link (below) ignoring the actual slides it gives a very interesting run down of the symptoms which put in the context of JA are scarily acurate!

    I just watched your link Laine and while I’ll ignore the many world leaders, politicians of all stripes, etc. in the video since this is not a political blog, I was very happy to see OJ shown. Even after all these years, that verdict still bothers me!!! I still abhor what he did to the family’s of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman and I’m glad Nevada finally nailed him albeit for another crime.

  325. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 12:58 pm

    Syntara :
    I’ll choose a psychopath who hasn’t murdered anyone to study rather than one who has.

    I totally agree with you! I have never been this vehement nor wished death upon anyone before.

  326. Janeto
    03/17/2013 at 1:09 pm

    MMD :

    Laine :
    I also found this Link (below) ignoring the actual slides it gives a very interesting run down of the symptoms which put in the context of JA are scarily acurate!

    I just watched your link Laine and while I’ll ignore the many world leaders, politicians of all stripes, etc. in the video since this is not a political blog, I was very happy to see OJ shown. Even after all these years, that verdict still bothers me!!! I still abhor what he did to the family’s of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman and I’m glad Nevada finally nailed him albeit for another crime.

    I just watched this too. I did exactly what MMD did, in ignoring politicians, etc. yet ecstatic to see OJ on there as well! I even saw Lindsey Lohan LOL!!!!! But you are so correct in this that it is scarily accurate to JA!! With precision, not just accuracy!!! Boy oh boy, if they do not convict on 1st degree, we are ALL in a world of hurt!! I have learned so much about psychos’ with this case. More than I ever wanted to know. But, it’s reality, and I best wake up to it.. You know, I never mentioned this before, but since I got into this case when I take a shower each morning (which is similar to Travis’) although not as large, I ALWAYS picture him, and what he must have gone through, and it creeps me out as well, because I have found myself looking around while showering making sure no one is going to surprise me even though I live by myself. Guess my awareness is sky high!!! Just thought I’d share…. heebeegeebees!!! (sp)

  327. 03/17/2013 at 1:43 pm

    Hi guys. Great discussion. I wrote an in-depth analsyis of Dr. Samuels’ testimony and wondering what you think. http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-how-expert-was-dr-samuels-expert-testimony/

  328. Observer
    03/17/2013 at 1:45 pm

    Psychopaths hate being embarrassed. Jodi even admitted she didn’t tell anybody she murdered Travis because she didn’t want anybody to know she was capable of doing such a thing. She hides her face with her hands and hair and cries when she looks at the pictures of Travis not because she feels empathy for Travis but because she is embarrassed that millions of people know she was capable of violence. When she testified that she killed him she was cold and unemotional.

    In the four national TV interviews from jail from 2008 to 2011, Jodi Aris, like a model right out of hair and makeup, presented an image of a beautiful, young soft spoken innocent little girl who could never hurt the man she loved. She did the interviews because she was embarrassed that the public saw her dark side, which she tried to keep hidden. The only reason she is admitting she killed Travis now is Dr. Fraud and Wurmi told her the Ninja story would get her a seat on death row but if she couldn’t remember doing it and Travis had abused her or provoked her, there was a chance she’d walk or get a lighter sentence.

    Even as she says in an unemotional voice, “Yes, I killed Travis Alexander because I was fighting for my life,” Jodi refuses to take responsibility but blames the gunshot on Travis tackling her and “we were fighting and maybe he got the knife but I have no memory of stabbing him or dragging his body.” The pictures of his 29 stab wounds including defensive wounds and a slit throat and her two cuts on the finger from the knife slipping in the blood tell the story of who was fighting for whose life.

  329. Laine
    03/17/2013 at 1:50 pm

    Janeto, MMD and Syntara, It’s quite chilling but also facsinating to see the symptons dialogued in that way, it allows you to tick each box as the commentary runs through. I’m glad you ignored the political connetation that wasn’t why I posted it..(although put in context it’s food for thought! imagine…all politicians are psycopaths! arghhh! lol)

    I was also happy to see OJ there I followed that trial also daily, I was lucky then that it was being shown over here in the UK. I can honestly say I was stunned and sad when that verdict came out. True to form though he ended up showing his true colours and is now where he should be, could have just saved a world of heartache for the families if they had just got it right in the first place!

  330. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 2:00 pm

    Janeto :
    I ALWAYS picture him, and what he must have gone through, and it creeps me out as well, because I have found myself looking around while showering making sure no one is going to surprise me even though I live by myself. Guess my awareness is sky high!!! Just thought I’d share…. heebeegeebees!!! (sp)

    Janet – that is soooooooooo weird because I am so hyper-aware as well, especially in the shower as I also live alone. I’m in a small town on a small, quiet cul-de-sac with really large property lots, where most people don’t even lock their doors yet I have an alarm system as well as my 3 shih tzu. The alarm is the result of my time living outside Toronto. My dogs, well they would lick you to death if I let you in. Two sleep upstairs with me while the other is in her “condo” (entire kitchen plus eating area, with three baby gates, one to the main entrance plus the door to the family room and the other to the dining room, Totally her turf – nah, she’s not spoiled…….much) All 3 though, would bark their heads off if someone was at the door or trying to break in yet sleep through the mailman, paperboy, UPS/Amazon or my cleaning lady arriving.

    Yet, since this trial started, the shower always bothers me. Hell nobody even gets in unless I’m expecting you or I recognize the car! I think a lot of it comes from alternating watching TA’s memorial video, him doing the chicken dance, etc. which I use to remind myself this is not the JA psycho show but about who and what was lost.

    I’m really hoping that once this trial ends then I will go back to normal.

  331. NancyB
    03/17/2013 at 2:02 pm

    Janeto – No idea which attorney had a death in the family.

    Karen & Lady in Red – Both of you describe such traumatic experiences with congruence. Arias’ emotions are completely absent in describing the events she remembers of June 4th. When people experience trauma, their memory and emotions become deeply intertwined, and when they recount their story, their emotions always come flooding back. Yet amazingly, JA has no emotional memories to match it.

    Gigi – Yes! I have always believed that she would score very high on the Hare Scale. I will be very disappointed if the state’s psychologist is unable to testify to the truth of what her testing of JA showed. I have noticed several times that JM has attempted to use some of the autopsy pictures and Nurmi immediately objects – then a side bar – and picture not shown. How can the reality of what she did to Travis be too prejudicial? Baloney!

  332. 03/17/2013 at 2:06 pm

    More on psychopaths and their emotional disconnect

    “Three decades of these studies, by Hare and others, has confirmed that psychopaths’ brains work differently from ours, especially when processing emotion and language. Hare once illustrated this for Nicole Kidman, who had invited him to Hollywood to help her prepare for a role as a psychopath in Malice. How, she wondered, could she show the audience there was something fundamentally wrong with her character?

    “I said, ‘Here’s a scene that you can use,’ ” Hare says. ” ‘You’re walking down a street and there’s an accident. A car has hit a child in the crosswalk. A crowd of people gather round. You walk up, the child’s lying on the ground and there’s blood running all over the place. You get a little blood on your shoes and you look down and say, “Oh shit.” You look over at the child, kind of interested, but you’re not repelled or horrified. You’re just interested. Then you look at the mother, and you’re really fascinated by the mother, who’s emoting, crying out, doing all these different things. After a few minutes you turn away and go back to your house. You go into the bathroom and practice mimicking the facial expressions of the mother.’ ” He then pauses and says, “That’s the psychopath: somebody who doesn’t understand what’s going on emotionally, but understands that something important has happened.””

    ————-

    Jodi reacts on cues, if there is no cue she has no reaction she simply has no way of knowing she is even supposed to be reacting. When there is reaction it is feigned affect (emotional feeling).

  333. 03/17/2013 at 2:14 pm

    Does anyone have a link to good quality photo sequence of the shower shots? I noticed something about them that has me curious and want to look at them but Ive only found a sequence of really dark ones.

    Sorry for the indelicate reference in view of you all posting you’re creeped out by them! I am empathising I am!!!

  334. Observer
    03/17/2013 at 2:17 pm

    WhereisSHE, what I was trying to tell you by sending you the church’s position on blood atonement is what you read about Brigham Young and the blood atonement is not a part of Mormon doctrine because the church does not believe it is true. So if she read it, she would have had to read anti Mormon literature.

    I don’t believe Jodi paid any attention to Mormon doctrine. She just thumbed through the Book of Mormon to find a passage she figured would scare Lisa, a devout Mormon into dropping Travis. She was convinced Travis was having sex with Lisa, when he wasn’t.

  335. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 2:19 pm

    Syntara :
    Im watching Gus2 at the moment… Is this the last day that will be on you tube ie Friday’s just gone? Will I need to find a live stream source after this? It’s day 31.
    Also can someone give me a time and zone related so I can do a conversion to my time to work out when it will be on? Something like say..10:30 pst or whatever so I can work it out… If its too much trouble thats fine I can research it just need the state the trial is in is that Arizona?

    Welcome Syntara!! Thanks for all the fascinating information and videos regarding psychopaths. I’ve heard many an expert refer to JA as a sociopath which I find interesting as I think she is a better fit to a psychopath.

    Yes day 31 is the last day on youtube, for some reason they are numbered one day behind us.
    Regarding the time to watch – it’s supposed to start anywhere between 10-10:30 am PST, but they invariably run late and be warned you could be found guilty of online shopping during many a sidebar 🙂 I think you are around 16 hours ahead of us?

    Live streaming – there are a few to choose from:

    http://bcove.me/r9952nln
    http://www.abc15.com/generic/news/live-video
    http://wildabouttrial.com/videos/jodi-arias-live-stream.html
    http://www.wptv.com/generic/news/national/Jodi-Arias-trial-live-video
    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/02/jodi-arias-trial-livestream/
    http://www.azcentral.com/community/mesa/articles/20130110community-mesa-articles-jodi-arias-murder-trial-mesa-arizona-live-video.html

    The various youtube links that record the trial are pretty quick in getting them up the same day, the best ones I’ve found are:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/croakerqueen123
    http://www.youtube.com/user/tawnidilly?feature=watch

    Hope this helps 🙂

  336. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 2:26 pm

    Kristina Randle :
    Hi guys. Great discussion. I wrote an in-depth analsyis of Dr. Samuels’ testimony and wondering what you think. http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-how-expert-was-dr-samuels-expert-testimony/

    Welcome Kristina! We are Tweet buds:-) Myself & others have posted your articles on here previously and they have been lauded loudly. That said, there are probably others that have not seen them and will find them excellent as well. So glad you are here to share your input with all of us!

  337. 03/17/2013 at 2:27 pm

    Observer I find your reference to the blood atonement interesting. Once I get through what I am working on at the moment I’m going to follow up on that. You may really have something there.

    ————–

    OMG I just found a day 45… omg how am I so behind? Is there?? I thought I was up to date going by the dates. Please tell me this is erroneous! i’ve just done 31 but you tube is showing a 45??? jodi’s “PTSD” and “FOG” setting in…. I’m stressing!!! 😦

    • donchais
      03/17/2013 at 2:32 pm

      Erroneous, lol!

  338. 03/17/2013 at 2:32 pm

    Ooops just saw Chrissie’s post … Thank you 😀 Fog is clearing quickly!! Thanks a bunch for the helpful links!! Awesome. You have done me a huge favour really appreciate it.

  339. SCK
    03/17/2013 at 2:35 pm

    I have a question from early on in testiphony….did anyone ever find out who was in the car with Searcy? He didn’t want to say, didn’t want to write it down??? Anyone know?

    • 03/18/2013 at 1:15 am

      I do believe Gus Searcy finally stated that he was taking her to Los Angeles but I do not remember her name. I am of the thought I had a legal ramifications.

  340. Bethany
    03/17/2013 at 2:39 pm

    Laine: Bethany – Travis brother was arrested and used his name. Travis was cleared through the fingerprints and photos.

    http://www.giantcomfort.com/fingerprint-records-clear-travis-alexanders-name/

    Thank you for answering my question. I thought that was probably the situation just wasn’t sure.

  341. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 3:33 pm

    Kristina Randle :
    Hi guys. Great discussion. I wrote an in-depth analsyis of Dr. Samuels’ testimony and wondering what you think. http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-how-expert-was-dr-samuels-expert-testimony/

    Welcome Kristina – I have read many of your blog entries with interest. Personally I think you should be on the stand talking about JA rather than Dr. Quack (or many of the other nicknames he has been given here)

    You have a much stronger intestinal fortitude than most of us, to actually listen to Dr. Quack as he put many of us to sleep. It was very obvious that as JA and the truth are not acquainted, Dr. Quack and his testiphony was simply that. It was primitive and had no depth or actual data to back his comments up. For that matter, his comments weren’t even his – he was strictly cherry picking passages which he was reading, and not even doing that well. It is my hope that he will at the very least take a remedial reading refresher course over this weekend.

    JA simply told him what she wanted her narrative to be and he tailored his testiphony to match. It seems a common thread throughout the defense case by attorneys and witnesses alike.

    I really have a problem with Dr. Rent-A-Expert who does a true disservice to those truly suffering from PTSD as well as those really suffering from abuse. As many of us here are abuse survivors, we are insulted! Hopefully the jury is as well.

  342. NancyB
    03/17/2013 at 3:34 pm

    I found this article interesting as it documents the evolution of her detailed lies. It’s from Jan 2013.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-leach/meeting-jodi-arias-first-_b_2526098.html

  343. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 3:35 pm

    SCK :
    I have a question from early on in testiphony….did anyone ever find out who was in the car with Searcy? He didn’t want to say, didn’t want to write it down??? Anyone know?

    From what I remember, I don’t think we ever found out. If he did eventually write it down it is probably under seal.

    Anybody, if I’m wrong, please correct me.

  344. Laine
    03/17/2013 at 3:41 pm

    Kristina Randle :Hi guys. Great discussion. I wrote an in-depth analsyis of Dr. Samuels’ testimony and wondering what you think. http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-how-expert-was-dr-samuels-expert-testimony/

    Hi Kristina, welcome to our discussions. Your site is amazing, I have spent a lot of time looking at your analysis and the research you put into them, for an amateur such as myself they are priceless. I started on your list of 10 documentries yesterday with the Bridge which was fascinating and sad. My mother is mentally ill and has been since I was 18, her first breakdown which led to her being sectioned into a mental hospital. So the subject has both tormented me and fascinated me for a very long time! I am thankful that we have sites such as yours and this one of donchais which allows like minded people to research and discuss subjects such as these. So thank you for the access to your thoughts and research.

  345. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 3:43 pm

    Great video compilation of the multiple stories of how she Injured her left hand – I just love how Flores handles her:

  346. 03/17/2013 at 3:47 pm

    Kristina Reading your article at the moment.

    After doing a fairly rigorous search of peer-reviewed journal databases, I could not find even a single article that Dr. Samuels had published in a peer-reviewed journal.

    Not surprised at all his testimony made absolutely no sense at least in terms of relevancy.

    No way does she have PTSD. As previously stated she takes her cues from whoever is interviewing her, you can see it for yourself in her interview with Detective Flores when she changes the story after her arrest. Any psychologist worth their salt would instantly recognise this as likely sociopathy/psychopathy perhaps narcissism or the very least plain pathological lying. In other words some type of cluster B disorder.

    The diagnosis of PTSD is therefore renderred totally irrelevant. This is NOT behaviour related to PTSD. PTSD does NOT turn a person into a pathological or serial liar.

    I’m not sure how he obtained his stated credentials but I do know you can buy these things in Phat Pong Road in Thailand for a couple dollars each. Perhaps this might be a clue? 😉

    “When the defense attorney asked him how long these people were immersed in the water, he answered “oh that was in the details of the study and I didn’t read the details.” He didn’t read the details? Isn’t that like saying “I didn’t read the study.” Or perhaps it’s more like saying “I just skimmed it.”

    Ummm I’m thinking it means “I have no idea what I’m talking about”

    “Symptom Validity Testing” (SVT). This test, includes asking a series of true and false questions about the crime and its circumstances. The law of probability states that the defendants’ answers should be correct approximately half the time.

    Exactly and she’d likely score…. Ummmm 50… the “wrong” 50?? which would be 0

    “It is however, hard to imagine how someone can be having flashbacks and intrusive thoughts about events that they cannot remember.”

    Excellent point! … and furthermore I actually saw him state stronger than this. He said the memories don’t even exist; ergo even harder to have flashbacks of memories that don’t exist I would have thought.

    ” …..hippocampus as the” hypothalamus.”

    rofl!!! I missed that I did only skim through it I couldn’t stomach it all in one go. Now Im more interested 😉

    “3 to 8, out of 100,000, people would experience transient global amnesia after having endured a traumatic event.”

    Oh did he? LOL! I tuned out at the first mention of Global amnesia because it was so ridiculous, ironically he ended up telling them why? hahahahaha gotta love it

    Also love the article on her most condemning answer, however for me personally that’s probably second. For me the glibly stated .. “And I don’t know that his throat is slit in that picture either” is seriously first by light years.

    Thanks for posting, if possible can you post any of your future (or past) article links on the trial too please?

  347. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 3:51 pm

    NancyB :
    I found this article interesting as it documents the evolution of her detailed lies. It’s from Jan 2013.

    After reading the article and knowing that she is a liar it appears as of January Mr. Leach was still being sucked in my JA:

    ” If convicted, Jodi could face the death penalty, a harsh reality that undoubtedly weighs heavily on her. And it’s clear watching Jodi that this experience has taken its toll. Throughout her trial, she has fought to maintain composure in the face of great opposition. And appearances are everything. The Jodi I see appears defeated as if she knows her life hangs in the balance.” Jonathan Leach

    I would be interested in his thoughts on JA now AFTER her 18 days of testiphony.

  348. Laine
    03/17/2013 at 3:53 pm

    Kristina Randle :Hi guys. Great discussion. I wrote an in-depth analsyis of Dr. Samuels’ testimony and wondering what you think. http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-how-expert-was-dr-samuels-expert-testimony/

    Sorry! Got so caught up in my gushing I forgot to write my thoughts on your article!

    I agree his presentation was poor and selective. In fact he announced on the stand that he no longer operates as a clinician, my guess is this is because of the professional misconduct that forced him to leave NJ and set up in AZ, and this clearly shows in his lack of professional etiquette in the advertising of his services. The fact that he was selective in his reporting of research and lack of evidentiary studies is of no great surprise. My surprise comes at the obvious lack of research the defence has conducted in calling him as an expert witness! It will come as no great surprise when JM rips all his so called theories into shreds!

  349. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 4:05 pm

    Chrissie A :
    Great video compilation of the multiple stories of how she Injured her left hand – I just love how Flores handles her:

    Chrissie you do find the gems!! 🙂 I wonder if she even had a cat at that time? Darn, I forgot who I was talking about – most likely that was a lie along with everything else!! It’s just so damn hard for me to keep her lies straight!!! LOL

  350. 03/17/2013 at 4:10 pm

    Observer “I am LDS”

    Since you mentioned you are LDS if you don’t mind we’d like to ask you for some clarification regarding the faith. JA said she had spoken with her Bishop regarding the sex she and TA were having (BS…but anyway we’ll go with that for the sake of our question). What we’re wondering is if she had told the bishop anything about the murder is there anything in his position with the church that would prevent the Bishop from going to the police with the information?

  351. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 4:30 pm

    CiCi’s Circle :
    What we’re wondering is if she had told the bishop anything about the murder is there anything in his position with the church that would prevent the Bishop from going to the police with the information?

    I’m not of the Mormon faith but I believe I can take this one CCC. It is my belief that anything told to a minister, priest, rabbi, shrink, therapist, etc.in confidence cannot be revealed unless they are threatening or planning to do harm to another individual. If it has already happened, I believe their hands are tied due to confidentiality. The same I would think applies to an attorney.

  352. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 4:37 pm

    MMD :

    SCK :
    I have a question from early on in testiphony….did anyone ever find out who was in the car with Searcy? He didn’t want to say, didn’t want to write it down??? Anyone know?

    From what I remember, I don’t think we ever found out. If he did eventually write it down it is probably under seal.
    Anybody, if I’m wrong, please correct me.

    As far as my recollection goes he wanted to know the ramifications of not answering the question. (And was enjoying every minute of it) I think the judge figured out pretty quickly that he was grandstanding. He was then allowed to write it down and give it to the judge. Defense circus act!

  353. 03/17/2013 at 5:00 pm

    Laine :

    Kristina Randle :Hi guys. Great discussion. I wrote an in-depth analsyis of Dr. Samuels’ testimony and wondering what you think. http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-how-expert-was-dr-samuels-expert-testimony/</

    Thank you for sharing this article! It cemented our thoughts of the quacks testimony! Since we’re unable to find this information for ourselves we were hoping to see a summary somewhere telling us our gut feeling about his testimony was right. The minute he pulled out his books and started reading from them we thought, “oh hell….the circus is in town!” We can only hope the jury can see through this smoke screen and that JM will take him apart on cross! By the way on Dr. Drew, one of his observers mentioned that the “doctor” (and we use the term lightly) was overheard to say while waiting to be called in, “this is a great trial and it will be great for my book”…..OMG….has everyone on the defense team forgotten that a human being was butchered here by JA!!

  354. JesusFreak
    03/17/2013 at 5:13 pm

    WhereIsSHE :
    Ham S post #207 and Observer reply post # 254:
    I am not Mormon, but I have done my share of varied reading over the last few decades, and
    I hadn’t thought of this until this……
    **I am not saying that the notion/concept of “spilling blood” is, in fact, part of the Mormon faith. I was only linking it to the book I referenced. I have no intention of misrepresenting the Mormon faith; am open to hear what others with more intimate, personal knowledge know about this topic; apologize, in advance, if any offense is taken, as none was intended whatsoever.

    i’m a nondenominational Christian, but the Mormans i have met all seem very nice. I know you r just telling this because of Jodi’s behavior. i, too, believe she has had time in the prison library to dig all this up and use it to her advantage. she is hateful and mean and if let out, she would be a serial killer.
    you have brot up great food for thought.
    I shall close and chew.

  355. Anna Eaton
    03/17/2013 at 5:14 pm

    Hello everyone! I actually went out and had a life for 24 hours, celebrating my achievement of living on this earth for fifty years. And I did it like a 46-year-old! Woo hoo!

    Anyway, and more importantly (just kidding), now I have to land and catch up with all the latest goings on here! Wish we had a top 10 list, ya know? 🙂

  356. Observer
    03/17/2013 at 5:18 pm

    Mormon Bishops are not professional clergy like priests, rabbis or ministers. They are laymen who serve as a bishop like an office. What you tell your bishop is supposed to be confidential, but the member is also obligated to follow the advice of the bishop. Murder and lying are against the Mormon doctrine so the bishop would advise the Mormon to turn himself in and if the Mormon was honest enough to tell his bishop he would tell a lawyer and the police what he told the bishop. If the member did not follow the advice, the bishop would take it to the church court and he would be excommunicated and the bishop would have no obligation to keep the confidence.

  357. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 5:22 pm

    Observer :
    Mormon Bishops are not professional clergy like priests, rabbis or ministers. They are laymen who serve as a bishop like an office. What you tell your bishop is supposed to be confidential, but the member is also obligated to follow the advice of the bishop. Murder and lying are against the Mormon doctrine so the bishop would advise the Mormon to turn himself in and if the Mormon was honest enough to tell his bishop he would tell a lawyer and the police what he told the bishop. If the member did not follow the advice, the bishop would take it to the church court and he would be excommunicated and the bishop would have no obligation to keep the confidence.

    Wow, I was way off. I’m very sorry about that Observer. I’ll leave all questions of the Mormon faith to you.

  358. Anna Eaton
    03/17/2013 at 5:33 pm

    And regarding the feeling some have described while being in the shower – so true. In one’s home, it must be one the most vulnerable areas for an attack. And I swear, so many times when I shower at home alone, I hear strange noises. Maybe that hyper-sensitive feeling is instinctual.

    • janeto
      03/17/2013 at 6:27 pm

      @Anna Eaton & MMD thank you! I don’t feel so alone!! MMD you crack me up! I was ROFLMAO reading about your dogs! How’s this.?……I too live in a cul-de sac!!!!!! More in common than we know!!.

  359. Observer
    03/17/2013 at 5:57 pm

    MMd, here’s more on the LDS church hiarchy.

    Bishop is the highest priesthood office of the Aaronic priesthood in the Latter Day Saint movement, and is leader of the Aaronic priesthood in a given ward or congregation. It is almost always held by one who already holds the Melchizedek Priesthood office of high priest and who serves as the leader of a local congregation of church members. The Latter Day Saint concept of the office differs significantly from the role of bishops in other Christian denominations, being in some respects more analogous to a pastor or parish priest. Each bishop serves with two counselors, which together form a bishopric.

    In the largest Latter Day Saint denomination, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), bishops are called from among the members of a local congregation, known as a ward, and traditionally serve, without pay, for four to seven years (the actual length of service can vary). A bishop must be a married high priest in the Melchizedek priesthood. The bishop acts as the Presiding High Priest of the ward. A bishop simultaneously serves as the president of the Aaronic priesthood and president of the Priests Quorum in the ward. In a branch, the branch president fulfills the same functions as a bishop; however, a branch president does not need to be a high priest.
    The Bishop is often called “the father of the ward”[1] as he is the priesthood leader who is most intimately involved with individual church members. The bishop is not paid for the time he devotes to serving his ward. All ward and stake level callings in the LDS Church operate as a lay ministry; members donate their time to perform the duties assigned with each calling.

    The immediate priesthood leader of the bishop is the stake president, who provides direction, training and counsel to the bishops of the wards within his stake boundaries; the stake president is assisted in these duties by two counselors and the Stake High Council. The calling of each bishop must be approved by the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

  360. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 5:59 pm

    Beth Karas will no longer be on HLN after this trial, she is being laid off.

    If you want to help keep her and are on Facebook please go to:
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Beth-Karas-Bring-Back-Beth/556728244361860

    (Also pass this on if you are on Twitter please with #jodiarias)

    She also confirmed to me that she will be on Webslueths Radio later today at 5pm PST 8PM EST:
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths

  361. JesusFreak
    03/17/2013 at 6:02 pm

    Observer :
    Syntara #322, very insightful post. Glad to have your educated input. Seems like folks all over the world have heard about this horrendous crime. Since the 2008 murder, in all my
    travels, I almost dreaded the question, “Where are you from?” As soon as I said, “Mesa, Arizona” they’d say, “Oh, did you know that Mormon girl who murdered her boyfriend?” Jodi Arias brought disgrace on my community, state and church.

    i know she really hurt all the ones who had befriended her. Dont worry, We still love Arizona. Guess what she did for my state! here’s a hint, i live in Ca. Still, we can claim Travis, both you Arizonians and the ones of us from Ca. whatever happens, one day she will get hers and we just hope it is in April.

  362. JesusFreak
    03/17/2013 at 6:15 pm

    Syntara :
    Not sure if anyone is interested but this is a far better explanation of Jodi’s brain function (infact she barely has one LOL)…. than the one presented by Gus2. Robert Hare is the
    creator of the psychopathic checklist that is used worldwide and is a standard that determines psychopathy on a scaled basis. This is an MRI he did on a psychopath.
    This explains why she can casually say “I didn’t say it was the only possibility with the camera, so that wasn’t correct the way you asked it… And I don’t know that his throat is slit in that picture either”. (13 March, Day 30 of trial if my you tube reference is correct.)
    A statement that made me audibly gasp but to her it was said as flippantly as “I don’t even know that Id given him a cup of coffee in that picture either”
    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=oaTfdKYbudk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DoaTfdKYbudk

    the trial is in arizona which, i believe is mountain standard time. monday the hearing is at 10:15 mst. hope this helps and welcome, i just joined our totally awesome group, too, so u r not the only newbie.

  363. JesusFreak
    03/17/2013 at 6:20 pm
  364. NancyB
    03/17/2013 at 6:21 pm

    Under Arizona law, all 12 jurors must agree on the death penalty. If they can’t, prosecutors can empanel a second jury, or even a third, for a do-over of the penalty phase. If the third jury is hung, the judge will decide between 25 years to life or life with no possibility of parole. Wow – I had no idea about this, though I also read about this last week on another blog. Anyone know about this?
    https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis/posts/126987764151502

  365. Bethany
    03/17/2013 at 6:29 pm

    Kristina Randle: Hi guys. Great discussion. I wrote an in-depth analsyis of Dr. Samuels’ testimony and wondering what you think. http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-how-expert-was-dr-samuels-expert-testimony/

    Thank you for that. It was really informative and interesting. I enjoyed reading it.

  366. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 6:30 pm

    Observer :
    MMd, here’s more on the LDS church hiarchy.

    Thank you for the clarification and the info. I have already emailed this to myself for my file. I should be more informed because with the exception of my father, his side of the family are all Mormons and live in Utah. Since my dad died when I was so young we were never close as they were all so much older than me. I only met both cousins once very briefly and that was in the last 10 years. I fit in somewhere between their children and grandchildren.

  367. NancyB
    03/17/2013 at 6:32 pm

    MMD :

    Chrissie A :
    Great video compilation of the multiple stories of how she Injured her left hand – I just love
    how Flores handles her:

    Chrissie you do find the gems!! I wonder if she even had a cat at that time? Darn, I forgot who I was talking about – most likely that was a lie along with everything else!! It’s just so damn hard for me to keep her lies straight!!! LOL

    Ditto that! Chrissie consistently posts gems!

  368. Anna Eaton
    03/17/2013 at 6:37 pm

    janeto :
    @Anna Eaton & MMD thank you! I don’t feel so alone!! MMD you crack me up! I was ROFLMAO reading about your dogs! How’s this.?……I too live in a cul-de sac!!!!!! More in common than we know!!.

    I think it’s really cool how so many seemingly like-minded people have landed here. Donchais, you run a truly excellent site and I know we all thank you for that. I have to say, you are the moderators of all moderators. On the other hand, I’ve never wanted to be a member of club that would have me as a member. So, thanks to all for putting up with myself. You people rock!

    • janeto
      03/17/2013 at 7:12 pm

      AMEN ANNA! I’ve never been in a club either. Never thought I was smart enough. Not that I am now, but I love this site & and all my “peeps”….

  369. Observer
    03/17/2013 at 6:37 pm

    I forgot to say that I’ve known bishops who are judges, lawyers, law enforcement officers, all officers of the court. No Mormon bishop would harbor a murderer. The bishop’s job is to keep members from sinning and breaking the law.

  370. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 6:37 pm

    NancyB :
    Under Arizona law, all 12 jurors must agree on the death penalty. If they can’t, prosecutors can impanel a second jury, or even a third, for a do-over of the penalty phase. If the third jury is hung, the judge will decide between 25 years to life or life with no possibility of parole.

    Didn’t have a clue. Wow!!! What happens with the second or third juries? Do they have to go through all of the evidence???

  371. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 6:39 pm

    janeto :
    @Anna Eaton & MMD thank you! I don’t feel so alone!! MMD you crack me up! I was ROFLMAO reading about your dogs! How’s this.?……I too live in a cul-de sac!!!!!! More in common than we know!!.

    Now if you tell me you have dogs as well it will be truly spooky!!! Wow, we really need those foil hats with antennas. 😉

    • janeto
      03/17/2013 at 7:06 pm

      MMD- BAAHAAHAAA!!!! You want spooky??? U got it!!! I have 1 (border rat) Chihuahua! Rescue dog!!! Hilarious!!!

  372. Laine
    03/17/2013 at 6:43 pm

    Observer :I forgot to say that I’ve known bishops who are judges, lawyers, law enforcement officers, all officers of the court. No Mormon bishop would harbor a murderer. The bishop’s job is to keep members from sinning and breaking the law.

    Thanks for sharing this information Observer, I have to be honest my only knowledge of the Mormon church and religion before this trial was my love for Donny Osmond as a young teenager! Sad I know but in the UK it’s not a well known church, so Donny is my only reference! (he was my first love :))

    • janeto
      03/17/2013 at 7:17 pm

      @Kaine & observer! Me too about Mormons & Donny Osmond!! First love!!!! Yes!!!

  373. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 6:48 pm

    Observer :
    I forgot to say that I’ve known bishops who are judges, lawyers, law enforcement officers, all officers of the court. No Mormon bishop would harbor a murderer. The bishop’s job is to
    keep members from sinning and breaking the law.

    Duly noted. Thank you. Not only does donchais keep us out of trouble when there isn’t court, it is educational as well, on a host of topics! 🙂

  374. Observer
    03/17/2013 at 6:49 pm

    MMD :

    Observer :MMd, here’s more on the LDS church hiarchy.

    Thank you for the clarification and the info. I have already emailed this to myself for my file. I should be more informed because with the exception of my father, his side of the family are all Mormons and live in Utah. Since my dad died when I was so young we were never close as they were all so much older than me. I only met both cousins once very briefly and that was in the last 10 years. I fit in somewhere between their children and grandchildren.

    Thanks for sharing that. You have a Mormon connection too. My husband was born into a devout Mormon family. I converted to the Mormon faith as an adult so I am still learning.

  375. Bethany
    03/17/2013 at 6:53 pm

    MMD: I really have a problem with Dr. Rent-A-Expert who does a true disservice to those truly suffering from PTSD as well as those really suffering from abuse. As many of us here are abuse survivors, we are insulted! Hopefully the jury is as well.

    I agree with you. I also believe that he is giving a bad name to actual experts in this field. His disrespect toward actual research discredits the work of those who are legitimate in this feild and adhere to the ethical guidelines of their profession. I feel that his poor research violates his ethical duties as a clinician or expert.

  376. NancyB
    03/17/2013 at 6:54 pm

    I just hope that I never again have to see JA hiding her face with her hands and hair. She looked positively ridiculous doing a poor imitation of cousin IT from the Addams Family.

  377. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 6:57 pm

    Laine :
    Donny is my only reference! (he was my first love)

    I think he was for a lot of us. He got all my votes the year he won DWTS, which for you I think is called Strictly Come Dancing with judges Len and Bruno. It starts tomorrow night half an hour after after court ends. It’s gonna be a tough decision – being here, listening to commentary or DWTS?!?!?!?!?

  378. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 7:00 pm

    Bethany :
    I agree with you. I also believe that he is giving a bad name to actual experts in this field.

    He gives a bad name to legitimate experts/professionals in ANY field!!!

  379. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 7:05 pm

    I wonder if Dr. Quack will be better prepared tomorrow after being ridiculed all over the internet, tv, etc. this weekend? I also heard that his site was bombarded with hate mail/comments and ridicule. (don’t know if it was his website, fb page or what)

  380. Anna Eaton
    03/17/2013 at 7:09 pm

    My husband was attending a conference 2 miles from the World Trade Center on 9-11. It took him 5 days to get home (he was over 1500 miles away). I had what I believe to be a mild form of PTSD (oh, that would imply POST not PHONEY…wait, I’m feeling foggy…is that when it comes after or before the event?) But seriously, I had so many nightmares and actual night terrors. And one time shortly thereafter, I was driving along the freeway when a plane was descending to land at a small local airport, but in my view it was so close to a high rise building that I had a panic attack then and there. BTW, my symptoms didn’t last very long at all.

  381. Laine
    03/17/2013 at 7:21 pm

    MMD :

    Laine :Donny is my only reference! (he was my first love)

    I think he was for a lot of us. He got all my votes the year he won DWTS, which for you I think is called Strictly Come Dancing with judges Len and Bruno. It starts tomorrow night half an hour after after court ends. It’s gonna be a tough decision – being here, listening to commentary or DWTS?!?!?!?!?

    Oooooo That’s a toughie MMD….Gotta love Strictly!! (or DWTS) Hit the record button? or watch on catch up? I recently dated a guy who looked a lot like Donny….shame the personality didn’t match! I got fed up sharing the mirror! lol now I just prefer my own company! 53yrs old I can’t be bothered to date anymore!! 🙂

  382. 03/17/2013 at 7:21 pm

    NancyB ” imitation of cousin IT”

    i don’t believe I just read that! That’s exactly how I described it when explaining it to a friend. I imagine loads of us saw it that way cos couldn’t just be us. Kinda spooky to read it though. *twilight zone music**

  383. Janeto
    03/17/2013 at 7:22 pm

    janeto :
    @Kaine & observer! Me too about Mormons & Donny Osmond!! First love!!!! Yes!!!

    Sorry, I meant Laine!!!!!

  384. Observer
    03/17/2013 at 7:22 pm

    You can just about figure whatever Jodi says is the opposite. Here are just some of her lies.

    Lie: Jodi was a good Mormon who wanted to abstain from sex once she was baptized but Travis convinced her they were following the Laws of Chastity. She wanted to go to their bishops and confess their transgressions and Travis wouldn’t let her.
    Truth: Travis was a good Mormon and likely a virgin until Jodi seduced him. Jodi only joined the Mormon Church because she knew Travis would not date a non-Mormon. Travis’s friend said Travis had spoken to his bishop about Jodi and the premarital sex and wanted to stop.

    Lie: Travis is a sexual deviant and he initiated all sexual contact and she just went along with it even though she didn’t want it.
    Truth: Jodi is obsessed with sex. Her testimony of every sexual act she performed since she was a teen is proof of that. Jodi called Travis late at night, initiated the masturbation and sexual fantasy talk and recorded the phone sex May 10, 2008. He was half asleep and yawned through the tape. He also said on the tape she introduced him to K Y jelly and masturbation. She also said she wanted to marry a freaky returned missionary like him who had three hour erections.

    Lie: Travis sexually, emotionally and physically abused her.
    Truth: Travis was a lover, not a fighter. There is no evidence he ever abused anyone. No pictures, writings or witnesses except for one she tried to convince to lie for her. All of his former girlfriends said he had never abused them and no one witnessed him abuse Jodi or call her names. The only time he called her names is when they were role playing.

    Lie: Travis was a pedophile who wanted to have sex with little boys and girls so he dressed her in boy’s underwear and schoolgirl outfits and she caught him masturbating to pictures of little boys.
    Truth: Travis was only interested in women and wanted to marry a Mormon woman and have a family. Pedophiles sexually abuse children, not grown women dressed as children. If he was a pedophile, pornography would have been found on his computer and in his home and now he has been dead five years some parent or child would have come forward.

    Lie: Jodi didn’t stage the burglary and steal her grandfather’s .25 caliber gun, the same caliber as the gun used in the killing of Travis, and didn’t even know her grandfather had a .25 caliber gun.
    Truth: She stole the gun because she had to kill Travis before he went to Cancun with her replacement, whom she believed he was sleeping with and would marry. The evidence showed she was alone that day for two hours after her grandparents left. No other guns or other valuables were stolen. Jodi told the cops her computer wasn’t stolen because she kept it in a laundry basket. She testified in court she had the computer with her when she went off with her sister.

    Lie: Travis bought a .25 caliber gun in 2007 and kept it on a top closet shelf.
    Truth: Travis never owned a gun. She told Flores in two different interviews that Travis didn’t own a gun. She said in court she lied to protect Travis. He was dead. How would it hurt him to say he owned a gun? The police found no ammunition, no holster, no box and Flores said all of Travis’s friends said he didn’t own a gun.

    Lie: She said Travis took a knife from the butcher block and brought it upstairs to cut a rope in the bathroom to tie her up with.
    Truth- Jodi brought the knife and there was no rope. The sleigh bed wouldn’t support the rope scenario she described. Police found no rope and no knife that matched the wounds at the crime scene. There were no pictures of Jodi tied up with the rope in the series of Jodi in sexual poses and no sign of the rope lying on the floor or bed in other pictures taken right after she said she took the rope off. She testified at one time he used the knife to cut the noose off and another time she testified that she slipped her hands out of the noose.

    Lie: Travis body slammed her, chased her, tackled her and the gun went off and she didn’t even know she shot him.
    Truth: Travis was already dead when she stood over him and shot him in the face. The autopsy showed no bleeding in the brain and no stippling on the skin so it was not a close contact wound. The time stamped pictures showed 60 seconds between Travis alive in the shower and him lying unmoving on the floor covered in blood from 29 staab wounds and his throat slit.

    Lie: She has no memory of the knife attack because she blacked out.
    Truth: On July 16, 2008. the day after she was arrested, she remembered blood being everywhere, Travis on all fours, trying to crawl and walk but his legs wouldn’t support him, Travis losing consciousness and lying on the rug. Only she told Flores then the perpetrators were a woman in black with a knife and a man in black with a gun

    Lie: Travis attacked her and she was fighting for her life.
    Truth: She attacked him with the knife while sitting down in the shower and looking into her camera lens, stabbing him first in the heart and then continued to stab his chest, his stomach and his hands as he tried to defend himself. She continued to stab him as he crawled or staggered to the sink to spit up blood and moved along the wall where he slid down the wall and collapsed.

  385. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 7:24 pm

    And they called it puppyyyyyyy looooooooooooooooove, oh I guess they’ll never knoooow……….. 🙂

  386. Anna Eaton
    03/17/2013 at 7:25 pm

    janeto 🙂

  387. Laine
    03/17/2013 at 7:25 pm

    Janeto :

    janeto :@Kaine & observer! Me too about Mormons & Donny Osmond!! First love!!!! Yes!!!

    Sorry, I meant Laine!!!!!

    I’ve been called worse Janeto…possibly due to my tin foil hat with matching antenna…. lol

  388. Observer
    03/17/2013 at 7:27 pm

    I was so tired when I wrote Post 417 I didn’t finish the last sentence. She then slit his throat and when he bled out, she dragged him back to the sink where she shot him in the head.

  389. Anna Eaton
    03/17/2013 at 7:27 pm

    MMD :
    And they called it puppyyyyyyy looooooooooooooooove, oh I guess they’ll never knoooow………..

    No, they call it Rottweiler love.

  390. Janeto
    03/17/2013 at 7:28 pm

    NancyB :
    I just hope that I never again have to see JA hiding her face with her hands and hair. She looked positively ridiculous doing a poor imitation of cousin IT from the Addams Family.

    @NancyB- ROFLMAO!! That was great!!

  391. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 7:33 pm

    Observer :
    You can just about figure whatever Jodi says is the opposite.

    And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the way the closing arguments need to laid out for the jury!

    Awesome post Observer!

  392. Janeto
    03/17/2013 at 7:34 pm

    MMD :

    Laine :
    Donny is my only reference! (he was my first love)

    I think he was for a lot of us. He got all my votes the year he won DWTS, which for you I think is called Strictly Come Dancing with judges Len and Bruno. It starts tomorrow night half an hour after after court ends. It’s gonna be a tough decision – being here, listening to commentary or DWTS?!?!?!?!?

    MMD, Donny got my vote too on DWTS!!!! as for tomorrow night……..I quote you “priorities, priorties!!! LMAO!!! Speaking of priorties, here I am with my peeps, and my family is hollering “get off the computer!!!” Oops, I’m in trouble!!! LOL! What can I say, I’m obsessed and addicted!!! 🙂

  393. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 7:36 pm

    JesusFreak :
    http://crimeandcourtsnews.blogspot.com/p/jodi-arias-trial-watch-full-court-videos.html#.UUZBg4y9KSO
    this website has all the videos of the trial and live stream.

    Great link!! Thanks 🙂

  394. Janeto
    03/17/2013 at 7:41 pm

    Laine :

    Janeto :

    janeto :@Kaine & observer! Me too about Mormons & Donny Osmond!! First love!!!! Yes!!!

    Sorry, I meant Laine!!!!!

    I’ve been called worse Janeto…possibly due to my tin foil hat with matching antenna…. lol

    LMAO Laine!!!!!

  395. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 7:49 pm

    MMD :
    I wonder if Dr. Quack will be better prepared tomorrow after being ridiculed all over the internet, tv, etc. this weekend? I also heard that his site was bombarded with hate mail/comments and ridicule. (don’t know if it was his website, fb page or what)

    Check out the comments here:
    http://www.everydayhealth.com/doctors/dr-richard-m-samuels-phd-67165551

    More have been added since Friday so he’s definitely on a roll 🙂

    ( I have 2 Boston terriers 2 kitties – I had a Shih Tzu when I lived in FL – they are wonderful dogs!)

  396. jad
    03/17/2013 at 7:52 pm

    cici’s circle — I noticed by your comment [the other day] that your group was interested in what might be thought of as a Perry Mason type moment. I hope the following answers your query about what it was that Juan Martinez was doing:

    On the day that sparked your interest, the prosecutor had shown a large manila envelope to Jodi Arias, and his action threatened to expose one of her lies with the photo in that envelope. At the same time that he was referring to her appearance in that photo, he was asking her questions as to whether she had ever taken pictures of herself after one of the reports of physical violence [that had allegedly bruised her neck and arms] she was now declaring to have occurred. He semi-explained the content of that envelope — a photo from her own snapshot while in the U-Haul, that showed her face, neck, and arms. Juan Martinez [the prosecutor extraordinaire] never removed the photo from the envelope [leaving the audience with bated breath], but Jodi Arias got the picture. She would acknowledge what had been threatened for exposure when answering one of the questions of the Jurors.

    The question posed by the Jurors [in the last fifteen minutes of the thirtieth day of the Trial] was “Did you take photos of injuries to your neck?”. The complete response by Jodi Arias was “I took a photo of myself in the U-Haul truck. It wasn’t for the purpose of my injuries on my neck. Uhm. I don’t know if they’re visible in that photo. I haven’t seen it in years. Uhhm. I know I had make-up on there. I don’t know if I’d put make-up on my arms or not. And, I had the camera like this. So, I don’t know if it can be seen on my arms. It was mostly for my face. Uhmm. I think I was wearing a 49ers shirt. That’s all I can remember. So. I know that I put make-up on ta hide the bruises, not ta take, not ta make any record of them. An-Tha, I was trying to not make a record of them.”.

    Jodi Arias can be seen demonstrating how she took the photo of herself that she either sent to her best pal and ally or that might still be residing in the recesses of her former cell phone that they still have in the evidence locker. Remember, she took that one-and-only U-Haul trip when moving out of Mesa [and the Mormons probably thought Good Riddance]. When she got to Gus Searcy’s abode (that is his motor home), he gifted her with a new cell phone, a Helio Ocean. She said her old flip phone, the Motorola RAZR, had been dunked in hot chocolate on her way to her new residence at her grandparents house in Yreka (when she had somehow fallen asleep overnight on her day-time journey), and she needed a replacement phone. You know — one that could record in order to save the tape for a later day. Less than one month later, she got Travis Alexander on that cell phone talking to her in the way she had instructed him [that girls like to hear during a love-making session]. (You would have a better understanding of how that May 10, 2008 conversation came about if you listened to the first couple of minutes of the afternoon of the seventeenth day of the Trial.)

    btw — At the beginning of her testimony on the eighteenth day of Trial (directly after the questioning of Sky Hughes) she spoke of a place where she parked that U-Haul while visiting Mr. Alexander. That location might have been where she could have parked her rental car on the day of the killing because it was not seen at the residence. (I know she said she stayed at the house while she was moving, but the roommate, Zachary Billings, said in his interview that Jodi Arias would just pop up out of nowhere when she would just walk into the house uninvited. It does not seem she would have been a welcome overnight guest [unless Mr. Alexander felt sorry for her if she had no place to go — although she has made it appear she still had her own residence, that seemed to be with the Freeman family].)

    If you watch that part, her testimony goes into her traveling time to California, where she admitted being with Gus Searcy (although there is almost a full day unaccounted for). She was on her way to Hollister, which is a hop, skip, and a jump away from Salinas and could have been the place [at her half-sister’s] where she would have had her hair done. There are several beauty supply stores in and around that area that are not limited to the trade, but sell salon quality merchandise to anyone that can make payment. If she did not want to be discovered when redoing her appearance, she could have chosen to use the residence of a trusted family member [and might have popped-in that day for the hair redo, with gifts in hand, like sun screen for the family, that showed she was always thinking of them].

    If you want to watch Jodi Arias squirm to a Juror’s question involving what Jodi Arias already knew existed but had to convince the Jury was a nullity, this can be viewed at a little past the 2:00 mark, on the video posted by croakerqueen123, at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUtoIG8Wz7k

  397. NancyB
    03/17/2013 at 7:53 pm

    Yep it’s true. “Under Arizona law, all 12 jurors must agree on the death penalty. If they can’t, prosecutors can empanel a second jury, or even a third, for a do-over of the penalty phase. If the third jury is hung, the judge will decide between 25 years to life or life with no possibility of parole.”

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/14/17313818-jodi-arias-18-days-on-witness-stand-could-save-her-life-experts?fb_action_ids=138015699709931&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_ref=AddThis_Blogs&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map={%22138015699709931%22%3A470771906321895}&action_type_map={%22138015699709931%22%3A%22og.recommends%22}&action_ref_map={%22138015699709931%22%3A%22AddThis_Blogs%22}

    • janeto
      03/17/2013 at 8:10 pm

      @ Nancy b – OMG! Arizona has some of the crappiest laws!!! IMO. What’s everyone think about the jury now!! Any sucker bets???

  398. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 7:54 pm

    Janeto :
    .I quote you “priorities, priorties!!! LMAO!!!

    I know, lol, that’s what I say to everyone! Pot look into the mirror and see kettle! I’ll make sure I vote but I KNOW I will be on here!!!! Priorities, priorities! I’ll watch it on the weekend.

  399. NancyB
  400. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 8:09 pm

    NancyB :
    Yep it’s true. “Under Arizona law, all 12 jurors must agree on the death penalty.

    OK Nancy I just watched that MSNBC clip but I still don’t understand about the second and third juries. Do they have to start from scratch and go through all the evidence or do they just get a Cliffs Notes version to help them make their decision?
    – confused-

  401. WhereIsSHE
    03/17/2013 at 8:21 pm

    Observer :WhereisSHE, what I was trying to tell you by sending you the church’s position on blood atonement is what you read about Brigham Young and the blood atonement is not a part of Mormon doctrine because the church does not believe it is true. So if she read it, she would have had to read anti Mormon literature.
    I don’t believe Jodi paid any attention to Mormon doctrine. She just thumbed through the Book of Mormon to find a passage she figured would scare Lisa, a devout Mormon into dropping Travis. She was convinced Travis was having sex with Lisa, when he wasn’t.

    Observer-
    Thanks for the clarification. I think I understood that, and apologize if that wasn’t clear in my reply (or in my original post ont he subject, which did not detail the fact that the author’s mother-who is quoted on the subject, was clearly a psychopath).

    I wasn’t commenting on the Mormon religion so much as I was commenting on how an individual with sick or devious intentions could twist religious (or other) doctrine to “justify” her own actions. (**If you ever read “Shot in the Heart” I think you will see what I mean. Just like Jodi, the mother of Gary Gilmore and Mikal Gilmore and siblings was someone who TWISTED and USED religious doctrine AGAINST OTHERS, but who clearly failed to live up to the tenets of her own faith on a routine basis.)
    This is Jodi.
    She who so readily gave Travis an “OPEN PASS” to her body and to all matters sexual, was was so disgustingly “Self-righteous+, via religious doctrine, to write such harsha nd shameful judgments to Lisa in that anonymous email.

    As I said–and as it must now be terribly clear– I am not a member of your faith. But I must say that, even as someone on the outside, so to speak, I find it highly offensive that Jodi sits ON THE STAND, UNDER OATH, and testifies about Mormonism as though she is an actual practioner or some kind of actual AUTHORITY on it.
    I mean.. the AUDACITY is beyond abrasive, IMO.

  402. 03/17/2013 at 8:29 pm

    JesusFreak Thanks for the time info … i’d had it worked out for pst so I better re-check. Great link too, thank you.

  403. MMD
    03/17/2013 at 8:40 pm

    Syntara :
    JesusFreak Thanks for the time info … i’d had it worked out for pst so I better re-check. Great link too, thank you.

    AZ is the only state that didn’t switch to daylight savings time so it is on PT now.

  404. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 8:43 pm

    Syntara :
    JesusFreak Thanks for the time info … i’d had it worked out for pst so I better re-check. Great link too, thank you.

    PST and Arizona are the same at the moment as they don’t observe daylight savings time – I’m in CA and they are in sync with us – that will be until the next time change when I sincerely hope this trial will be over – lol

  405. 03/17/2013 at 8:53 pm

    Lol waaaaa this is doing my head in. Confuzzled.. oops I mean another Jodi fog moment!!

    However….. I think I have it sorted, think I’m 15 hours ahead of where the trial is. I’m +8 GMT i think where the trial is it’s -7 GMT. sound right to anyone?

    That would be Greenwich… not Jodi’s Green Witch by the way .. Haha I laughed when she kept saying that.

    • Laine
      03/17/2013 at 9:08 pm

      What part of Oz are you in Syntara? I have a work clock I’ll check it for you.

  406. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 9:00 pm

    MMD :

    NancyB :
    Yep it’s true. “Under Arizona law, all 12 jurors must agree on the death penalty.

    OK Nancy I just watched that MSNBC clip but I still don’t understand about the second and third juries. Do they have to start from scratch and go through all the evidence or do they just get a Cliffs Notes version to help them make their decision?
    – confused-

    I’m confused by this too – if I’m understanding this correctly they would all have to be in agreement on 1st degree murder but not the death penalty – then they call another jury in?

  407. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 9:05 pm

    Syntara :
    Lol waaaaa this is doing my head in. Confuzzled.. oops I mean another Jodi fog moment!!
    However….. I think I have it sorted, think I’m 15 hours ahead of where the trial is. I’m +8 GMT i think where the trial is it’s -7 GMT. sound right to anyone?
    That would be Greenwich… not Jodi’s Green Witch by the way .. Haha I laughed when she kept saying that.

    Lol! Don’t get all discombobulated on us 🙂 The trial is + 8GMT

  408. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 9:07 pm

    Chrissie A :

    Syntara :
    Lol waaaaa this is doing my head in. Confuzzled.. oops I mean another Jodi fog moment!!
    However….. I think I have it sorted, think I’m 15 hours ahead of where the trial is. I’m +8 GMT i think where the trial is it’s -7 GMT. sound right to anyone?
    That would be Greenwich… not Jodi’s Green Witch by the way .. Haha I laughed when she kept saying that.

    Lol! Don’t get all discombobulated on us

    Sorry now I’m in a fog it’s -8GMT

  409. 03/17/2013 at 9:14 pm

    Rofl!! Discombobulated.. Heck I”m way past that now!!

    Noooo the trial us not +8 GMT cos Im in Perth, Western Australia and it’s not over here!!! Our time is +8 GMT Maybe there’s a green witch after all? Mwwwhahaha.. I”m going into PTSD now!

  410. Laine
    03/17/2013 at 9:21 pm
  411. NancyB
    03/17/2013 at 9:27 pm

    MMD :

    NancyB :

    OK Nancy I just watched that MSNBC clip but I still don’t understand about the second and third juries. Do they have to start from scratch and go through all the evidence or do they just get a Cliffs Notes version to help them make their decision?
    – confused-

    MMD – I’m thinking from what I’ve read that if this jury of 12 cannot decide they empanel a new jury and start from the penalty phase only. The verdict of the 1st jury stands but to decide between death or life without parole a new jury takes over. I don’t completely understand it myself.

  412. 03/17/2013 at 9:27 pm

    Yep phew!! 15 hours ahead of where the trial is. Good… Sorted.. Thanks all! 😉

    hang on… sheesh that means the trial time of 10:30am is my 1:30am.. Ummm …. yay?

  413. Laine
    03/17/2013 at 9:31 pm

    Oh man that sucks! I think I’m the luckiest it starts at around 5:30pm here in the UK so I get to finish work (I work from home) and log straight on!

  414. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 9:34 pm

    Laine :
    Oh man that sucks! I think I’m the luckiest it starts at around 5:30pm here in the UK so I get to finish work (I work from home) and log straight on!

    Hey Laine, where in the UK? I’m from West London but live in CA 🙂

    • Laine
      03/17/2013 at 9:38 pm

      Well hello my London buddy! I was born and raised in Hammersmith West London but have lived in Kent now for about 20yrs, it’s safer and prettier and much quieter!

  415. 03/17/2013 at 9:37 pm

    Laine oh 5:30 pm would be a great time. Yeah you win the convenience lottery… I’ve got the donkey’s rear end on this deal!

  416. Laine
    03/17/2013 at 9:42 pm

    Syntara :
    Laine oh 5:30 pm would be a great time. Yeah you win the convenience lottery… I’ve got the donkey’s rear end on this deal!

    That’s the price you pay for living in such a beautiful place. Poor donkey lol

  417. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 9:42 pm

    Laine :
    Well hello my London buddy! I was born and raised in Hammersmith West London but have lived in Kent now for about 20yrs, it’s safer and prettier and much quieter!

    My Dad’s family hailed from Hammersmith, I grew up in Ealing – Kent is beautiful good choice!

    • Laine
      03/17/2013 at 9:55 pm

      I have family in Ruislip and Uxbridge, visited Ealing often as a teenager and Wembley market on a Sunday morning! I love Kent though I live by a lake and have a nature reserve beyond my back garden I wouldn’t change it for the world!

  418. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 9:51 pm

    A few of my posts aren’t going through from a couple of hours ago, newer ones are intermittent, anyone else having a problem?

  419. 03/17/2013 at 9:52 pm

    Well me and the donkey are going to sulk now, going to have to sleep most of the day I guess. So catch you all when Im grouchy and looking for the matchsticks.

    You’re right though Laine I’ll gladly keep the donkeys butt on this one 😉

    *waves and mumbles something about the green witch*

    TTFN

  420. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 10:10 pm

    Laine :
    I have family in Ruislip and Uxbridge, visited Ealing often as a teenager and Wembley market on a Sunday morning! I love Kent though I live by a lake and have a nature reserve beyond my back garden I wouldn’t change it for the world!

    We must have crossed paths at some point, I have family in Northolt and we go to Ruislip Crematorium when I’m over. I’d like to get a home it that area of Ruislip they have some lovely homes there. I also used to go to Wembley market – small world.

    Syntara I sent a post immediately after my error of stating +8 GMT instead of -8 GMT but it hasn’t posted yet, glad that Laine got you sorted 🙂

  421. Tracey A
    03/17/2013 at 10:46 pm

    <blockquote cite="#commentbody-6
    Chrissie A :

    MMD :

    SCK :
    I have a question from early on in testiphony….did anyone ever find out who was in the car with Searcy? He didn’t want to say, didn’t want to write it down??? Anyone know?

    From what I remember, I don’t think we ever found out. If he did eventually write it down it is probably under seal.
    Anybody, if I’m wrong, please correct me.

    As far as my recollection goes he wanted to know the ramifications of not answering the question. (And was enjoying every minute of it) I think the judge figured out pretty quickly that he was grandstanding. He was then allowed to write it down and give it to the judge. Defense circus act!

    Chrissie A, MMD and SCK: Jean Casarez had Gus Searcy on after he was released from his subpoena and she asked him about the “Mystery person” in the car. If I remember correctly it was a client of his from PPL, which turned out to be a female. There was no romantic interest, it was just a business meeting. Eventually that woman’s name was released so he was under no further obligation to keep it confidential.

  422. Observer
    03/17/2013 at 10:56 pm

    WhereIsSHE wrote: As I said–and as it must now be terribly clear– I am not a member of your faith. But I must say that, even as someone on the outside, so to speak, I find it highly offensive that Jodi sits ON THE STAND, UNDER OATH, and testifies about Mormonism as though she is an actual practioner or some kind of actual AUTHORITY on it.
    I mean.. the AUDACITY is beyond abrasive, IMO.

    I think all LDS members will agree with you. It is an insult to all Latter Day Saints that she present herself as a good Mormon and an authority on Mormonism. It is obvious she has never read the Book of Mormon. She even admitted she had never been to a Family Home Evening because she had to work on Mondays. She is the opposite of a Good Mormon. We are taught to be honest. Jodi lies effortlessly. We are also taught not to have sex outside of marriage. Jodi had no intention of doing that. We are also taught to care about and to help others. Jodi only cares about and helps herself. Her only interest in Mormonism was to snare Travis.

  423. Tracey A
    03/17/2013 at 11:03 pm

    And I meant to add that Searcy’s explanation was so anticlimactic after his ridiculous behavior on the stand.
    Hmmm….anticlimactic. I wonder if that word exists in JA’s vocabulary after all her detailed sex testiphony. Sorry, couldn’t resist that! LOL!!!

  424. Observer
    03/17/2013 at 11:06 pm

    NancyB :Yep it’s true. “Under Arizona law, all 12 jurors must agree on the death penalty. If they can’t, prosecutors can empanel a second jury, or even a third, for a do-over of the penalty phase. If the third jury is hung, the judge will decide between 25 years to life or life with no possibility of parole.”
    >

    I think that is great news. Martinez has three chances to get her on death row. If he doesn’t succeed a judge will give her LWOP because of the brutality and cruelty of the crime. This monster is never getting out of jail.

  425. Observer
    03/17/2013 at 11:17 pm

    WhereisSHE, I forgot the main reason she is not a Good Mormon. We are taught Thou Shall Not Kill. Jodi admits killing Travis without shedding one tear.

  426. Chrissie A
    03/17/2013 at 11:38 pm

    Observer :
    WhereisSHE, I forgot the main reason she is not a Good Mormon. We are taught Thou Shall Not Kill. Jodi admits killing Travis without shedding one tear.

    So it would seem that the defense has done more harm than good by going so in depth into the Mormon religion, I wasn’t very familiar with the practices before the trial but even I am seeing that she used it as a tool. Plus they must be aware that there are one or more Mormons on the jury.

  427. jad
    03/18/2013 at 12:16 am

    Syntara — Thank you so much for your insight in your several comments and that link (in # 340 [and other link for Robert Hare, PhD, in # 322]). There are some interesting titles on that site. For whatever reason, the QuickTime Player on my laptop does not function and my IPad is inaccessible. The Smart Phone (from my children) could be used, but I have to admit to being rather inexperienced with the device. Plus, the screen is too small. Unlike Jodi Arias, I really have to correct my vision and do wear glasses to examine certain small items or small print. However, first opportunity there is, a couple of those videos will be viewed and analyzed with Jodi Arias in mind.

    Have you read the most recent posts by HamSandwich and WhereIsShe? Their ideas might really be of interest to you. If this case is viewed with the understanding that Jodi Arias is a true malignant narcissist, the Fatal Attraction scenario with its claim of self-defense would instantly be debunked. Any help you can give in explaining this psychopath’s behavior would be greatly appreciated. Everyone who comments here is involved in bringing out the Truth in a cause that “Calls for Justice”, and no matter who the commenter or even if there is no agreement, there is never any uncalled-for negative feedback.

    On your post at # 330, you left the comment about the prosecutor that “He gets Jodi to show her real self, an almost impossibility for her personality type.” Oh, how true is that very statement. It amazes me still that we have been able to document a psychopath testify (or actually do anything of substance that we can view or use as a teaching aid). Her actions and accompanying declarations will be able to be watched [and listened to] and watched [and really listened to] again-and-again (to enable an understanding of the nature of the beast). The way this psychopath’s mind works in what her expectations are of those she is manipulating can be analyzed and what is finally understood will subsequently assist the behavioral unit of any organization when ferreting out those [as this web site has called out] who “are monsters walking amongst us”.

    To see Juan Martinez in action tells you that he knows what he has in front of him. He knows exactly what it is. Nevertheless, there are some who want to insert themselves into that which he is accomplishing by [willfully and wantonly] giving degrading commentary about his legal skills. It is so hurtful to hear those so-called professionals [presumably schooled in the Law] commenting about how much better they would be than he is, if only they were asking the questions of the accused or doing anything in this case. They act as though Jodi Arias is not the psychopath we know she is, but nothing more than a young girl who had no option but to strike out at the mean old world and its wicked inhabitants. There is a young comedienne who has portrayed Jodi Arias to a tee in the way that these narcissists are portraying her. (Chrissie A left the address for the site on You Tube where this skit can be watched.) Even if they are narcissists, these lawyers and other egocentric high-falutin persons would get eaten alive by this psychopathic, malignant to-the-core narcissist. As much as they self-love, it is nothing compared to what and how this woman lives and loves.

    It is my hope that the medical community can understand, using the perspective of someone in the legal field, exactly how hard it was for this attorney to be able to match wits with this creature. So, if possible, please share some experiences that could assist us in our knowledge of what Jodi Arias is. Or, try to relay to us what Juan Martinez must have gone through to prepare himself for this role as the dragon slayer. Thank you and (although only a most recent commenter) welcome to this site.

  428. Observer
    03/18/2013 at 12:33 am

    Chrissie, Beth Karas said by the questions asked she believed there were three Mormons on the jury and at least one juror who is knowledgable of guns. They will know she is lying and educate the other jurors. She also said Nurmi puts the jury to sleep and Martinez fires them up.

  429. Observer
    03/18/2013 at 12:39 am

    A good Mormon woman would not discuss her sex life in public. We are taught to dress modestly and respect our bodies. Jodi talks like trash. We also are taught to respect authority and the legal system. A good Mormon would not smirk, laugh and back talk a prosecutor.

    • Karen
      03/18/2013 at 12:45 am

      IMO any peson on trial for their life would not be as disrespectful as she is, I for one would not be fighting with the prosecutor, and smiling and laughing. I would be wetting my pants and stuttering all my words, possibly the GREEN WITCH possessed her in the FOG. LOL

  430. Karen
    03/18/2013 at 1:08 am

    If JA can’t remember what happened after the gun went off then can someone please explain to me how she can claim self defense as she has stated her last memory of Travis is him on the bathroom floor after the gun went off. I hope that makes sense.

  431. 03/18/2013 at 1:17 am

    CORRECTION: it had legal ramifications.

  432. JesusFreak
    03/18/2013 at 1:31 am

    Syntara :
    JesusFreak Thanks for the time info … i’d had it worked out for pst so I better re-check. Great link too, thank you.

    right now mst and pst are the same. either will work and you are very welcome.

  433. Karen
    03/18/2013 at 1:33 am

    That nit-wit so-called specialist tesifys under oath that “moments of stress the brain DOESN’T ALLOW us to contemplate” as if it was a cardinal rule for everyone. Millions of people have been under severe stress and wished for that condition. Listening to his testimony one would come away with the thougt that everyone under stress would lose their memory. Really!!!

  434. 03/18/2013 at 2:49 am

    Jad I will endeavour to answer your post later in my day. You reference HamSandwich and WhereIsShe postings – no I don’t think I have seen those. Are they on this day or another? Do you have some post numbers for me to locate them and get started?

    Very sorry and please forgive me if that sounds lazy but this day alone has over 450 posts and I’m finding it difficult to navigate through them. Is there a way to sort by avatar name?

    In the meantime here is an earlier notation I made while watching her on the stand. As I’m watching I tend to record observations and place them in context. I choose this one because it relates to what I have seen her reveal and so far this, for me, is the best glimpse into her true motivation.

    “13 March, Day 30 Most diabolical and telling moment into Jodi’s psyche in trial so far: Jodi, so caught up with her sparring expertise against Juan Martinez dissociatively asserts … “I didn’t say it was the only possibility with the camera, so that wasn’t correct the way you asked it… And I don’t know that his throat is slit in that picture either”.

    say what???? I had to back up here because this was said as casually as ” I don’t know if I’d made him a cup of coffee by then either”. Not even “cut”…. “Slit” … A far more emotionally evocative word. I rewound to double check I’d really heard this and called in my Bf for a second opinion he was astounded.

    I’m sorry but the ability of this psychopathic dissociation from reality and her ability to absolve herself from even the most heinous act makes my head spin!

    The photos are bad enough, I can’t even imagine what it was like being there and quite frankly don’t want to … But to be able to so casually spar about whether his throat is “slit” just to win a verbal joust is mind blowing. How is it possible to say those words so laconically having the memory of slitting this man’s throat in your head?

    This is what is so great about Martinez, he brings out her real nature because she gets so caught up in her narcissistic need to win and control her rounds with him she forgets to feign the associated affect which results in her primary aim shining through, her motive …. to win and control to the exclusion of all else.

    It clearly demonstrates why Travis died, she finally realised she had lost control of him and couldn’t stand it. Nothing else mattered than to punish him for that, and by gosh punishing him she is.

    Not only the horrendous wounds, the diabolical plan to connive and manipulate her way into his house that day and probably forcing him to “pose” for those photos…. but by then bringing everything out to lower him in the eyes of his cherished religion.

    But wait… there’s more… the Jodi show doesn’t end there… because now the system is daring to hold her accountable she further punishes him with these claims of paedophilia. How dare he scorn her!

    Not only that, the very injury she received stabbing him 27 times and slitting his throat she now tries to use to her advantage to smear his name and further her own defense. She now claims he inflicted this injury abusing her Is there no end to this woman’s evil?

    Her extreme narcissism and total lack of conscience leaves one flabbergasted – way beyond discombobulated.

    Somehow she feels totally justified in this because in her mind it’s his fault she killed him. So why feel remorse or conscience?

    She will likely never say what really happened and she is not going to pay for it without bringing him down with her every step of the way.

    Total lack of conscience, empathy, remorse or ethics.

    The only thing that matters to Jodi Arias is Jodi Arias. Apparently the fact she is on this planet, in her eyes, entitles her to do anything to anyone and heaven help those who try to stop her.

    Jodi’s game was to get Travis, he didnt play her game right he didnt want her.. Off with his head!”

    • Karen
      03/18/2013 at 7:24 am

      Syntara :
      Jad I will endeavour to answer your post later in my day. You reference HamSandwich and WhereIsShe postings – no I don’t think I have seen those. Are they on this day or another? Do you have some post numbers for me to locate them and get started?
      Very sorry and please forgive me if that sounds lazy but this day alone has over 450 posts and I’m finding it difficult to navigate through them. Is there a way to sort by avatar name?
      In the meantime here is an earlier notation I made while watching her on the stand. As I’m watching I tend to record observations and place them in context. I choose this one because it relates to what I have seen her reveal and so far this, for me, is the best glimpse into her true motivation.
      “13 March, Day 30 Most diabolical and telling moment into Jodi’s psyche in trial so far: Jodi, so caught up with her sparring expertise against Juan Martinez dissociatively asserts … “I didn’t say it was the only possibility with the camera, so that wasn’t correct the way you asked it… And I don’t know that his throat is slit in that picture either”.
      say what???? I had to back up here because this was said as casually as ” I don’t know if I’d made him a cup of coffee by then either”. Not even “cut”…. “Slit” … A far more emotionally evocative word. I rewound to double check I’d really heard this and called in my Bf for a second opinion he was astounded.
      I’m sorry but the ability of this psychopathic dissociation from reality and her ability to absolve herself from even the most heinous act makes my head spin!
      The photos are bad enough, I can’t even imagine what it was like being there and quite frankly don’t want to … But to be able to so casually spar about whether his throat is “slit” just to win a verbal joust is mind blowing. How is it possible to say those words so laconically having the memory of slitting this man’s throat in your head?
      This is what is so great about Martinez, he brings out her real nature because she gets so caught up in her narcissistic need to win and control her rounds with him she forgets to feign the associated affect which results in her primary aim shining through, her motive …. to win and control to the exclusion of all else.
      It clearly demonstrates why Travis died, she finally realised she had lost control of him and couldn’t stand it. Nothing else mattered than to punish him for that, and by gosh punishing him she is.
      Not only the horrendous wounds, the diabolical plan to connive and manipulate her way into his house that day and probably forcing him to “pose” for those photos…. but by then bringing everything out to lower him in the eyes of his cherished religion.
      But wait… there’s more… the Jodi show doesn’t end there… because now the system is daring to hold her accountable she further punishes him with these claims of paedophilia. How dare he scorn her!
      Not only that, the very injury she received stabbing him 27 times and slitting his throat she now tries to use to her advantage to smear his name and further her own defense. She now claims he inflicted this injury abusing her Is there no end to this woman’s evil?
      Her extreme narcissism and total lack of conscience leaves one flabbergasted – way beyond discombobulated.
      Somehow she feels totally justified in this because in her mind it’s his fault she killed him. So why feel remorse or conscience?
      She will likely never say what really happened and she is not going to pay for it without bringing him down with her every step of the way.
      Total lack of conscience, empathy, remorse or ethics.
      The only thing that matters to Jodi Arias is Jodi Arias. Apparently the fact she is on this planet, in her eyes, entitles her to do anything to anyone and heaven help those who try to stop her.
      Jodi’s game was to get Travis, he didnt play her game right he didnt want her.. Off with his head!”

      What amazing insight to JA, I would love to read more of this as the trial progresses. Very impressive!!!

  435. jad
    03/18/2013 at 3:04 am

    SCK [at # 374] = In the morning, after Sky Hughes was questioned, Nurmi tried to bring in Gus Searcy and seemingly contact that surprise witness, a Ms. Juvan. This might be a misspelling because the pronunciation of the name was not that great. It can be found on the post by Croakerqueen123 at 14:00 on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNagR6Q2xR8

    Nurmi’s excuse for parading in Gus Searcy was that the State or the Court might want to question him about the phone number he had given the Court that belonged to the woman who had been with him in his car. Nurmi also made it known that the defense did not need to question Gus Searcy and that he could be the State’s witness. Needless to say, the prosecutor was appalled, as he had no use for the character of Gus Searcy, either then or any other time. It is apparent that this prosecutor has a b*llsh*t meter that works very well. [In the Casey Anthony case, this was not the case, as Jeff Ashton permitted Jesse Grund to enter the case, which afterwards ran with all kinds of false information.] In the Jodi Arias case, the prosecutor had no use for Gus Searcy to establish a timeline for the State to follow [as had been done in that Florida case] and did not want a witness that could then go on as many national shows as possible spreading falsehoods and corrupting the case.

    This was the eighteenth day of Trial testimony and the day before Valentine’s Day, February 13, 2013. The Court would have a five day weekend that week because the Judge was ill the following day, Valentine’s Day [therefore no Court], the next day was Friday [with no Court], Saturday and Sunday were weekend days [with no Court], and Monday was President’s Day [with no Court]. The next day of testimony would be Tuesday, February 19, 2013. Of course, Nurmi did not know that until the next day. He thought that his stunner would be delivered the next day before a four-day weekend (when Gus Searcy would announce that Jodi Arias had called him immediately after the murder and told him about the murder while acting in self-defense). In order to take advantage of what had been arranged, Nurmi had to prepare the way for Gus Searcy to give interviews on national television that would stun the audience and maybe shift the way of thinking in the favor of Jodi Arias.

    Gus Searcy had the restrictions of interviews and a Subpoena lifted so that Gus Searcy could speak anywhere at anytime, while at the same time Nurmi worked towards getting Subpoenas served on anybody who could speak out for the benefit of Travis Alexander. So, immediately, after Sky Hughes testified, Nurmi had her served — in the same fashion he had pursued against her husband, Chris Hughes, a couple in which each had been a best friend to Mr. Alexander. The criminal lawyers for the defense used the Court to muzzle two citizens to keep them from speaking and to take away from them any right to gather any knowledge about the case. In other words, the two best friends of Travis Alexander would be restricted in their conversation with mutual friends and prevented from watching television or using any media source to find out what was occurring at Trial (so they would not have a clue if Jodi Arias was lying and therefore not able to stop any falsehood). And, they were blocked from saying anything in defense of their best friend to prevent the assassination of his character and reputation. Not only would Travis Alexander have no one around him when he died from a brutal murder inflicted at the hand of Jodi Arias, but no one would be allowed the defense of Travis Alexander, when the criminal lawyers for Jodi Arias would try to murder his character and good name, the little that was left of a good man.

    Nurmi announced they had not been able to call a MS. JUVAN that day, and so there were no further witnesses for that day. The prosecutor asked what the reason might be and whether there was a working number in which to contact the scheduled witness. He wanted to know what the problem was. The Judge asked if Nurmi was at liberty to tell the Court why the witness could not testify that day. Nurmi said he could not get a hold of her. Nurmi said he had no number for the witness he had planned to call. The prosecutor asked if there was a problem with getting a working number to call the witness, especially since the number they had been given was a nonworking number. Regardless, there has been no follow-up [YET] by the State and nothing announced by the Court as to the [turning to the Bar for sanctions of the criminal lawyer for costing the State money for a useless Hearing and] punishment of Gus Searcy for giving the Court a non-working number for a purported witness to back up the claims he made for a criminal lawyer that there was prosecutorial misconduct by the prosecutor.

    In the case of Gus Searcy, he was free to do his own thing, as it was stated by the prosecutor that Gus Searcy was only there that day because he might need the limelight since there was absolutely no need for the State to question him — which Nurmi knew and the rest of the criminal lawyers on the defense team knew or should have known. Meanwhile, the prosecutor extrapolated that, even though the defense may want to call anybody from the rest of the world, it would not add anything to that specific inquiry. Thus, he also asked the Court to find there was no prosecutorial misconduct. Nurmi’s comeback was “Now that the State has informed us that they don’t have any surprise witnesses popping out of the room, I guess we can go to the argument portion of this”. Additionally, Nurmi made the accusation that, even as it was related to that particular Hearing when the initial evidence had been brought forth, the State had brought on two surprise witnesses that the defense knew nothing about. These witnesses were Abe Abdelhadi and Chris Hughes, who were only brought on after the fact to rebut the surprise testimony of Gus Searcy.

    Boy, do Nurmi and Jodi Arias act alike in their actions and their cause to generate the most pain as possible for truly innocent people. They are like detached Siamese twins, with an invisible cord that connects the two to each other and a malevolent base, that nourishes and bathes them in evil doctrine. Except one is more immoral and vulgar — that would be the criminal lawyer with the same qualities as his psychopathic client, because his evil has the use of the power of the Court to inflict as much damage as possible by calling it lawful. It is downright frustrating to see that criminal lawyers can act with impunity when making things up about the prosecution and using the full power of the Court to punish law abiding citizens so that a psychopath can be protected from punishment and possibly put back onto the streets to take another life — for once a psychopath has her first experience and has tasted blood, there is no turning back. By now, the rest of the world must be looking at America as a GOD-forsaken place because there is NO justice for the dead and NO Law to protect the innocent and to keep the hard-working and Law abiding feeling secure.

  436. 03/18/2013 at 3:09 am

    Just to add… Originally psychopathy was called “morally insane” I think Jodi’s actions clearly demonstrate why. ref #479,

  437. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 6:14 am

    Observer :
    I forgot the main reason she is not a Good Mormon. We are taught Thou Shall Not Kill. Jodi admits killing Travis without shedding one tear.

    I think that applies in most religions which follow the Ten Commandments as well as is a given for any person living in a civilized community!

  438. jad
    03/18/2013 at 8:30 am

    Syntara — in response to your request at # 479, I have reviewed today’s page [of day thirty-two], yesterday’s page, and the day before yesterday’s page in order to find the comments posted by HamSandwich and WhereIsSHE. I have listed all of them because I did not want to break their line of thought. Although it is clear that they were corresponding with others too, they were of that one thought (on today’s page) that the actual reason for the murder could not have been a fatal attraction type payback for rejection. That is my theory also, and I have posted a part of it on a previous page, although I did not delve completely into the matter because of a trepidation that such an idea could interfere with the case in some way. However, that is no longer a holdback, due to the fact that the fourth version of events in the way that Jodi Arias has experienced the June 4, 2008 date has already been exposed by Bryan Carr (when speaking to Nancy Grace and addressing a question posed by a gentleman named Bill). So, I should be able to post what could have happened, which might be what actually occurred, because Jodi Arias has told another about such an occurrence (although her story is replete with a different avenging perpetrator, not herself, while my version shows the avenger to be Jodi Arias).

    I could not find the post by HamSandwich on the previous pages that was read, which was thought to show an earlier corresponding thought about the murder. The belief is that the post was by that particular commenter. I don’t know how WhereIsSHE will be able to reconcile the thought of an avenging Jodi Arias, striking due to a religious fervor with the thoughts expressed on the previous pages that document an unhappiness with the prosecution. Anyway, they are listed below:

    On today’s page, HamSandwich has posted comments at 2:23 A.M. on 03/16/13, as # 207; and, at 7:50 P.M. on 03/16/13, as # 273.

    On today’s page [of March 14], WhereIsSHE has posted comments at 3:43 on 03/16/13, as # 247; at 8:38 P.M. on 03/16/13, as # 276; 9:05 P.M. on 03/16/13, as # 278; 11:44 A.M. on 03/17/13, as # 344; and, at 8:21 P.M. on 03/17/13, as # 441.
    On yesterday’s page [of March 13], WhereIsSHE has posted comments at 12:55 P.M. on 03/14/13, as # 69; 1:14 P.M. on 03/14/13, as # 71; 1:18 P.M. on 03/14/13, as # 72; 2:11 P.M. on 03/14/13, as # 78; 2:49 P.M. on 03/14/13, as # 93; 3:25 P.M. on 03/14/13, as # 100; 3:52 P.M. on 03/14/13, as # 114; 4:12 P.M. on 03/14/13, as # 120; 4:38 P.M. on 03/14/13, as # 121; 4:41 P.M. on 03/14/13, as # 122; 5:50 P.M. on 03/14/13, as # 133; 5:55 P.M. on 03/14/13, as # 134; and, at 6:06 P.M. on 03/14/13, as # 136.
    On day before yesterday’s page [of March 11 continued], WhereIsSHE has posted comments at 10:08 A.M. on 03/13/13, as # 158; 2:10 P.M. on 03/13/13, as # 182; 2:38 P.M. on 03/13/13, as # 183; and, at 5:52 P.M. on 03/13/13, as # 209.

    On yesterday’s page, I posted what I believe is going to be presented by the criminal lawyers for Jodi Arias. It is my belief that they had run their defense re-lie on the room a few days back. My post, at # 117, addresses three separate posts left by a person who I believe may be the social worker slotted to testify as an expert for the defense, Alyce Dunn LaViolette, or someone close enough to the defense team to pose as a person that knows the strategy that is to be used. They ran it up the flagpole so to speak, to see which way the wind was blowing. After all, they had to get a feel for what would be accepted without real conflict, since no one wants to lose their professional license over the defense presented in this case — or, lose the respect of the community. Ms. LaViolette has won awards and been given accolades in proclamations for her work against domestic violence. How absurd would it be for this well-respected professional to come to bat for a woman that was the perpetrator of acts of violence against her former boyfriend? If she ignored the violent acts against the brutally slaughtered murder victim, she could be viewed as sexist, which could condemn her work because of her bias towards a violent woman and prejudice exhibited against an innocent victim who was a man.

    It is my belief that Salvadorun posted a comment about a change in diagnosis to see if anyone would catch it. If not, that would seem like what would happen in Court. Sure enough, there seems to be a change in diagnosis — which should not be decided to be acceptable, as a change in diagnosis [at this time] would not be able to be explained. The State had already received the materials the defense would re-lie on, when the State and defense participated in discovery. A psychologist that has not seen his patient since the time that all the material was given to the State could not possibly change his diagnosis, which it seems the defense might try to do to match the newer way of describing the story after Jodi Arias testified in her own truthful manner on the stand.

    That is why this room needs someone who understands the field. The criminal lawyers are trying to pull a fast one. They are going to attempt to manipulate the evidence, which is mainly a report by the psychologist, Richard Samuels. To go into the Jury room, that report must look the same in all hands — the defense, the State, and the Court’s. Regardless, it is my belief this shell game will be played. Some of what to expect has already been revealed. If I were not so tired, I would fill you in. However, I don’t want to mislead by making a mistake with one of my facts. Some rest has to come first. Then, a review of my notes can be done where certain items will be picked out that show the duplicity of this purported expert witness.

    You might have caught a little bit when watching Juan Martinez object at the so-called expert’s marking-up of a report while on the stand. This so-called expert got away with what appeared to be tampering with evidence, by using the lame excuse that it was his own report. However, you could see by the expression on the face of the prosecutor that he was not buying it. His vigilance will be tested today. If you don’t catch it because your time will force you to watch in the wee hours of the morning, you can wait until the next day when croakerqueen123 will post the video. You should be rested when watching. The so-called expert was granted an allowance by the Court to take the exhibit home. Let’s see if he brings back the exhibit (already marked into evidence) in the same shape as it left.

  439. Observer
    03/18/2013 at 9:34 am

    Syntara
    It clearly demonstrates why Travis died, she finally realised she had lost control of him and couldn’t stand it. Nothing else mattered than to punish him for that, and by gosh punishing him she is.
    Not only the horrendous wounds, the diabolical plan to connive and manipulate her way into his house that day and probably forcing him to “pose” for those photos…. but by then bringing everything out to lower him in the eyes of his cherished religion.
    But wait… there’s more… the Jodi show doesn’t end there… because now the system is daring to hold her accountable she further punishes him with these claims of paedophilia. How dare he scorn her!
    Not only that, the very injury she received stabbing him 27 times and slitting his throat she now tries to use to her advantage to smear his name and further her own defense. She now claims he inflicted this injury abusing her Is there no end to this woman’s evil?

    I agree with everything you say. What’s interesting is that in May, Travis texted her that she was an evil sociopath having no clue that in June, he would be found decomposing in his shower with 29 stab wounds, a slit throat and a bullet in his head. By murdering his reputation in court, Jodi is also punishing his friends, family and the Mormon community who loved Travis and pointed the finger at her as soon as his body was found. Symbolically she is stabbing them in the heart every time she uses the words sexual deviant, pedophile and abuser.

  440. 03/18/2013 at 9:35 am

    jad are they doing this to further their mistrial calls? ie sabotaging their own case to bring about this desired result? It seems to me to have been their primary strategy from the start so looks suspicious.

    ( I see jad and think ‘jodi arias defense’ by the way, plse give me something to replace this 😉 )

    have copied list of references.. will start at oldest first to make sense of it. Thankyou for this a start date and post # would have sufficed, I could have navigated from there so your time spent is duly noted and appreciated.

  441. Observer
    03/18/2013 at 10:05 am

    Jad Post #480 re: Gus Searcy and Sky Hughes. I find it very interesting that Nurmi tries to get the prosecutor off the case because Chris and Sky Hughes watched the trial and gave the prosecutor information to help his case, subpoenas Chris and Sky Hughes so they can’t watch the trial anymore and calls Gus Searcy first so he can be released from subpoenae and go to the media to defend Jodi. Searcy told HLN Jodi called him on June 4 and told him Travis was dead and she was in California and he didn’t ask any questions. Searcy said he called the prosecutor after the arrest and left a message and they never called him back. He said he was just trying to give them information that could either clear Jodi or convict her. He said they could check her cell phone records to see where she was on June 4. By the time she was arrested, they knew exactly where she was June 4 – in Mesa killing Travis Alexander. Searcy was trying to get even with Martinez for going after him in court by implying he was incompetent. Searcy was lying. Jodi called him June 9 after someone called her from Mesa and told her police were at the house and Travis was dead. Flores said in his report that while he was at the crime scene June 9, Jodi called him twice and it went to voicemail. She was trying to manipulate the police as soon as she found out Travis’s dead body was found.

  442. 03/18/2013 at 10:13 am

    Observer May, Travis texted her that she was an evil sociopath having no clue that in June

    Oh he had more than a clue I assure you. If he texted that he meant it. He KNEW what he was dealing with.

    One thing you have to understand about these people is it’s very hard to pin them down. It’s very hard (read darn nigh impossible0 to shed them. unless they want to go, then they are gone in a moment but only until it suits them to come back. They haunt you emotionally, psychologically and if they can, physically.

    Everything she does with her moving and moving back is textbook stuff. Timings of her migrations and accusations when married with her journals are intriguing.

    This personality type remembers everything bad, every tiny thing no matter how trivial, Things the normal person would have completely forgotten years before. Yet the good they forget seemingly instantly ….. unless to their advantage. ie when she slithers all over the desk in the Flores interviews.

    This could explain her journals only filled with positives, (IF they are genuine). What need was there to record the negatives when she remembers those? But her negatives are not our negatives, they are any time she doesn’t get her way. She has a sense of entitlement that a normal person doesn’t feel.

    She’s not going to diarise her plans… if she was.. they would have been in there. She doesn’t record what’s really in her head. It’s all about the charade. She knows something is wrong with her and lives every moment trying to conceal it. The journal is the make believe perfect world of Jodi. The world she is trying to create. Alice in wonderland, down the rabbit hole stuff.

    The entries aren’t like a normal persons diary. Her ‘of course’ is real, but not for the reasons she is leading us to believe.

  443. Observer
    03/18/2013 at 10:22 am

    Syntara, his friends said he wasn’t afraid of her in June when he was killed. He joked about her killing him but didn’t take it seriously.

  444. 03/18/2013 at 10:33 am

    Observer; Ok let me explain it this way.

    These people make you feel trapped. They make you feel like your are stuffed into an air tight box. You can’t breath, you can’t move, your crammed into it.

    The reason why his friends would say he wan’t scared of her in June was because he was starting to feel a sense of relief, of release. As far as I understand it she had not been around since April, not physically and he was soon off to Cancun.

    Can you imagine what that would feel like? He would finally think he is regaining some kind of control of his life and it would be noticeable in his demeanour.

    You can say you evil sociopath, you can know it in your heart and being but do you want to believe all the connotations that go with it? No! Absolutely not! You hope to heaven you are wrong and you try to get on with your life and put it behind you.

  445. 03/18/2013 at 10:37 am

    correct you’re not your.. I always mistype that! sorry

  446. Observer
    03/18/2013 at 11:06 am

    Syntara :Observer; Ok let me explain it this way.
    These people make you feel trapped. They make you feel like your are stuffed into an air tight box. You can’t breath, you can’t move, your crammed into it.
    The reason why his friends would say he wan’t scared of her in June was because he was starting to feel a sense of relief, of release. As far as I understand it she had not been around since April, not physically and he was soon off to Cancun.
    Can you imagine what that would feel like? He would finally think he is regaining some kind of control of his life and it would be noticeable in his demeanour.
    You can say you evil sociopath, you can know it in your heart and being but do you want to believe all the connotations that go with it? No! Absolutely not! You hope to heaven you are wrong and you try to get on with your life and put it behind you.

    I’m sure you are right. He may have felt pure terror when she appeared in his house June 4, 2008 and did everything she wanted to get her out of there. I don’t think he dreamed she would slaughter him like that or he wouldn’t have had sex with her, took pictures of her, got in the shower where he was vulnerable. He was 5 9 and 185 lbs after he lost all his blood and she was 5 6 and 125 lbs. so he could have taken a gun or knife from her if he saw them. She didn’t take her grandfather’s stolen gun out of her purse until after he was dead because she knew it could jam and he could take it away from her. Travis is on tape telling a story of when a robber put a gun to his head and the gun jammed. Jodi is sitting right there when he tells the story so she knew Travis would overpower her if saw a gun.

  447. Nienna
    03/18/2013 at 11:34 am

    Nancy Pennington :
    My husband and I , like many of you, are obsessed with this case and have a theory. We’ve been trying to figure out why this nice guy that seemed to be loved and respected by so many ppl would say some of the things the JA recorded. I think that he WAS a inexperienced young man who found himself involved with a very sexually experienced slut. So in order to “impress” her, due to his embarrassment over his lack of experience, he said things that he felt made him sound cool. Kinda like young kids swearing to make themselves sound cool.
    I’d wondered why JA felt the need to say “he certainly knew what he was doing” when describing the oral sex encounter at the Hughes’ house one week after meeting Travis. I think the truth is that she did him and had to cover up the fact that she was the one to introduce him to any kind of sex.

    I agree completely! And my husband does too! However, I do not believe they had any kind of sexual relations on the day of her baptism. I don’t think they actually did anything sexual until the trip they took in California. I forget the name of the town but they talk about it in the sex tape. She asks him if he thinks about it when he drives through and says something about “grinding” him. I think this was the first interaction. Also in the tape, TA or JA say that they should have been doing this the whole time (or something to that effect).

    Sorry, I am normally better with details but Monday mornings are not my cup of tea.

  448. Chrissie A
    03/18/2013 at 11:42 am

    I truly believe that Travis and JA really didn’t have anything in common apart from their sexual encounters. Even in the so called “sex tapes” it is apparent. There were no words of endearment from Travis, JA was constantly re-living various past scenarios to keep the conversation flowing. Her laugh sounded hollow, this was not a natural conversation that two people in love would share, she was simply desperate for his attention and the only way she could hang on to that was with sex. Which brings me to the “1000 Places To See Before You Die” jaunts that she had to implement. I think this was to keep some form of common denominator in the relationship. I don’t think that she loved Travis, more like the idea of what her life could be like with someone like Travis. Let’s not forget what a small part of his life she really was, their official dating period was Feb ’07 to June’07 – only 4 months!!! That is but a blip! The remainder of the off/on relationship appears to be nothing other than her trying to hang on by using the vagina voodoo, whereas Travis was trying to be patient with her to allow them both to move on. When she knew she couldn’t hold on to him anymore her possessiveness intensified, which turned to stalking, then to her utter madness. I know i’m singing to the choir here but I wanted get this off of my chest 🙂

  449. Nancy Pennington
    03/18/2013 at 11:47 am

    Just woke up and started to read the comments that have been coming in. (we live on the Oregon coast so it’s not as late as the time stamp would make you think). WOW now I’m really discombobulated! On my first cup of coffee, which could be the problem. Observer’s comment #472 touched me tho. Not only a “good Mormon woman” but ANY woman with any amount of decency and class would not discuss her sex life (especially to the degree JA did) in public. That is what bedroom doors are for. Also, anyone, man or woman, would show more respect for the court system than this common piece of trash does. By the antics of her mother and aunt in the court room it is obvious that class does not run in her family. As to the technical blogs, I will reread them after another cup or three of coffee because they appear to be very interesting!! I have nothing else to do until court starts today.LOL
    Just a comment to the gals that mentioned being hypervigilant when taking a shower now. Hell, I’ve been that way since seeing the movie “Psyco” years ago. Guess my PTSD is still hanging on>LOL still!

  450. Anna Eaton
    03/18/2013 at 11:52 am

    I was just watching some old videos of Travis, including Eddie Snell. He was a good stand-up comic. Anyway, I’m sure you’ve all talked about this, but I wonder if Travis appeared on the Prepaid Legal promo video JA watched before she signed up online. It would add to the creep factor if she saw him on a video and that’s were it all started. [cue dramatic music]

  451. Chrissie A
    03/18/2013 at 12:03 pm

    Travis & JA’s first blogs days apart:

  452. Nancy Pennington
    03/18/2013 at 12:11 pm

    TO Nienna: I am so glad that someone else says they do not believe there was any sex after her baptism. I’ve felt from the beginning that she said that just to dirty him up in the eyes of his church. Her vindictiveness is unbelievable. I watch her in court and especially when she was on the stand and I can honestly say that I HATE HER. Over the years I have known ppl I did not like much but this is a new and scary feeling for me. Glad to hear that your husband is involved..I like to hear my husbands take on some of the things that pop into my head. He is a retired educator for the Dept. of Corrections in CA he has some pretty good insight into the criminal mind.

  453. Observer
    03/18/2013 at 12:35 pm

    Chrissie A #497, those blogs written in April 2008, two years after Jodi was baptized into the LDS faith, tell who is the Good Mormon and who is the fake Mormon.

    Travis writes about loving life, being blessed with fantastic visionary friends, a supportive family and the gospel and taking responsibility for his life.

    Jodi discusses religion but she does not mention Mormonism at all. She mentions aethiests, Catholics, Buddhists, Christians, etc. Nothing about how much the Mormon faith meant to her, nothing about how blessed she was to have the gospel in her life. It’s clear from that blog, she is an atheist, not a Mormon.

  454. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 12:47 pm

    Nancy Pennington :
    I like to hear my husbands take on some of the things that pop into my head. He is a retired educator for the Dept. of Corrections in CA he has some pretty good insight into the criminal mind.

    Nancy – what an awesome resource to have. He would have a great perspective! May we borrow your husband if we need him for his take on the mind (although I do believe she is unique, or I’m hoping she is) of JA?

    I also agree that there was no sex on the day of the baptism. The only thing she has testified that is true is that she killed TA. The only promise she made was to ruin the reputation of TA, his faith, community, family and to inflict as much pain as she possibly could when she was pushing her plea agreement for 2nd degree. She is certainly living up to that along with her completely sleazy and underhanded defense team!

  455. Chrissie A
    03/18/2013 at 12:51 pm

    Observer :
    Chrissie A #497, those blogs written in April 2008, two years after Jodi was baptized into the LDS faith, tell who is the Good Mormon and who is the fake Mormon.

    I was hoping you would comment on this, thanks for clarifying 🙂

  456. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 12:54 pm

    Observer :
    < It’s clear from that blog, she is an atheist, not a Mormon.

    I would think she would have to be actually human to be an atheist!!! I’m sorry, I couldn’t help myself. I cannot put JA even on par with the human race she is so despicable! With humans there is always hope for change but there is none with JA. There I’ve said it and I mean it!!!

  457. Nienna
    03/18/2013 at 12:56 pm

    Nancy Pennington :
    TO Nienna: I am so glad that someone else says they do not believe there was any sex after her baptism. I’ve felt from the beginning that she said that just to dirty him up in the eyes of his church. Her vindictiveness is unbelievable. I watch her in court and especially when she was on the stand and I can honestly say that I HATE HER. Over the years I have known ppl I did not like much but this is a new and scary feeling for me. Glad to hear that your husband is involved..I like to hear my husbands take on some of the things that pop into my head. He is a retired educator for the Dept. of Corrections in CA he has some pretty good insight into the criminal mind.

    Exactly! My husband hates when I talked about it (because I get so wound up) but watches the trial on his own accord. So, he’s not fooling me! He is a veteran and has PTSD. He called BS the entire time the “expert” was on the stand. Makes me sick to listen to this crap about JA and live through the real thing with him.

  458. Karen
    03/18/2013 at 1:19 pm

    How can that expert testify if the crime scene speaks to premeditation or not, she manipulated the scene after she killed Travis, for one, and second she is not a skilled murderer (even considering she did complete her task) and she did say herself he (Travis) wouldn’t stop, which to me meant he didn’t make her plan to kill him easy, he fought back, therefore, making a messy scene.

  459. 03/18/2013 at 1:22 pm

    jad Ok this is part 1 (one) of my thoughts on reading the posts you referenced. (Oldest first)

    Ref #183 11 March 2013

    OK.. the reason you cannot cross examine someone like her in the manner suggested is because she would stare blankly at you and say – “I don’t understand the question” until that prosecutor is blue in the face. Intimidation of that nature does NOT work on psychopaths they don’t feel it in the same way as normal people do. She’d stare at him all innocent and coquettish and say softly “I don’t understand the question”

    Nurmi would end up objecting and the prosecutor would have nowhere to go. What does he do then ask the same thing again? He can’t. Check mate. New strategy required.

    …… Or …. the only other alternative: he asks those questons then leaves it at that? The effectiveness of that plan would be solely dependent on the Jurors.

    To me, it would be ineffective and as a Juror I’d be going.. “what??? is that it?” and even I would have to give not guilty.

    Some jurors might even start feeling sorry for her because she would be given the chance to show that soft feminine side the combative Jodi would never come out. I just can’t see an advantage to this.

    #209 He reiterates her version because it’s a pack of lies. The more her version is reiterated the better because her version is impossible to validate scientifically and logically. There simply is not enough time for anything like what her version suggests. It’s totally nonsensical, implausible, just like the earlier versions. The evidence cannot be moused to fit that version no matter how hard the defines tries.

    – I don’t understand what is being suggested here… is it that the prosecutor should give her yet another version to go with? If so that would be more than foolhardy. Or maybe do it and see where she goes with it.. like telling the juror that it was possible Travis picked up the camera instead of chasing her. LOL … hmmm… Ok maybe it could work but not sure what it would achieve she already has enough versions to work with why give yourself more data to sift through?

    – To suggest you can control a (manipulating) psychopath like Jodi Aria is naive. You can’t. They are master manipulators and believe me she would run rings around anyone who tried to approach this in a typical manner. Robert Hare in his 35+ years dealing with them says sometimes it takes HIM 6 months to ‘out’ a psychopath simply because of how manipulating and evasive they are.

    They live to hide their real natures, There is no way a lay person could use conventional techniques to ‘break’ Jodi. It simply wouldn’t work.

  460. 03/18/2013 at 1:25 pm

    wth? auto spell check probs? Please change “The evidence cannot be moused to fit that version no matter how hard the defines tries.” To “The evidence cannot be moulded to fit that version no matter how hard the defense tries.

  461. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 1:34 pm

    Donchais – are you around or are you lurking???????? You haven’t graced us with your presence all weekend and we miss you. 😦 You’re the best part of this site!!!

    • donchais
      03/18/2013 at 1:59 pm

      MMD Took a break this weekend, lol.

      • 03/18/2013 at 3:30 pm

        GOOD FOR YOU!!! But was also wondering where you were. Just like little kids wondering where mommy went. ;0) glad you are here.

  462. Chrissie A
    03/18/2013 at 1:40 pm

    MMD :
    Donchais – are you around or are you lurking???????? You haven’t graced us with your presence all weekend and we miss you. You’re the best part of this site!!!

    I agree – I was thinking the same thing this morning 🙂

  463. Anna Eaton
    03/18/2013 at 1:49 pm

    Chrissie A :

    MMD :
    Donchais – are you around or are you lurking???????? You haven’t graced us with your presence all weekend and we miss you. You’re the best part of this site!!!

    I agree – I was thinking the same thing this morning

    Ditto.

  464. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 1:50 pm

    Chrissie A :

    MMD :
    Donchais – are you around or are you lurking???????? You haven’t graced us with your presence all weekend and we miss you. You’re the best part of this site!!!

    I agree – I was thinking the same thing this morning

    Great minds 🙂

    Donchais – see, Chrissie and I are in 2 different countries, I’m on the east coast, she’s on the west coast, so effectively we have North America covered and wondering where you are????

  465. PK
    03/18/2013 at 1:51 pm

    right now mst and pst are the same. either will work and you are very welcome.

    Actually right now that Daylight Saving Time is in effect PDT is the same time as MST in Arizona ONLY. All other states in the Mountain Time Zone are on MDT. Arizona does not observe Daylight Saving Time.

  466. JesusFreak
    03/18/2013 at 1:54 pm

    I have given this much thought. Remember the Jeffersons tv sitcom? the entro song was “movin on up “. that is what jodi’s life has been all about. She changed men like others change jobs. when a better wage earner or a better prospect came along, jodi changed. she was looking for that one person to marry and live off for the rest of her life. she wanted a respectable, upper middle class or better life. Aha! in comes travis with that great job and nice house, AND he was nearer her age. he will be my life partner, she decided, and when thwarted he sealed his death. she gave up a good man and nice house and she was mad. IN mho and for what it is worth.

  467. Anna Eaton
    03/18/2013 at 1:58 pm

    Medical examiner: Stab wounds tell the story: http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/03/18/jodi-arias-travis-alexander-autopsy-results
    “This is indicative of a frenzy.” I’d couldn’t agree more.

  468. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 1:59 pm

    Ok, so the defense has dropped its motion and Dr. Quack will not be on the stand. Wonder if this has anything to do with his reputation and integrity being torn to shreds in all media forms since Thursday????

    I just posted this comment and it is somewhere in cyberspace – if anyone with foil hats finds it, you can keep it!

  469. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 2:01 pm

    JesusFreak :
    Remember the Jeffersons tv sitcom? the entro song was “movin on up “. that is what jodi’s life has been all about.

    Excellent analogy JF!! 🙂

  470. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 2:02 pm

    donchais :
    MMD Took a break this weekend, lol.

    Well you were missed!!! Hope you had a great weekend away from all this! 🙂

  471. 03/18/2013 at 2:08 pm

    JesusFreak :
    I have given this much thought. Remember the Jeffersons tv sitcom? the entro song was “movin on up “. that is what jodi’s life has been all about.

    You are totally correct and Travis was as good as she was going to get, how dare he not want her? Not in Jodi’s plan.

    ———————–

    Oh god Gus 2 is on the stand talking about transient global amnesia again. Save me!!! 3-8% of 100000 oh puhlease and she happens to have it? Yeah right ok… tin foil hat NOW

  472. Bethany
    03/18/2013 at 2:09 pm

    Did they already have the evidentiary hearing? Or is this it now? I’m watching it livestream and was wondering if this was the evidentiary hearing or did I miss it?

  473. PAM
    03/18/2013 at 2:10 pm

    GO JUAN MARTINEZ….. FYI…just took this off the website about transient global amnesia…. The clearest risk factors are:
    Age. People age 50 and older have a higher risk of transient global amnesia than do younger people.
    So, out of 3% of the population that could have this it is mostly in people over 50!

  474. Anonymous
    03/18/2013 at 2:10 pm

    Laine :
    Wow! this is really compelling!! It comes from the same site as my post above. Very well put together!

    Thanks for this link. It was very interesting. Trying to catch up after a birthday weekend in AC.

    I agree with everything but the conclusion…she is a psychopath, pure and simple. In my opinion, she simply did not believe he should live without her and she decided to kill him many weeks before the event. She snapped! She planned this. I had missed the entire prosecution part of the trial, so seeing the ME truly makes me believe this. If the jury does not come back with guilty of 1st degree murder with premeditation, I will be sadden by our legal system. If the defense was going to do their client justice, they should have claimed insanity. At least she would have gotten life with medical help. Instead, she can possibly die for this. Bad defense!

    As a side note, this ‘expert’ on the stand now is a joke. How can an ‘expert’ be considered an ‘expert’ if everything is based on articles by a journalist or by others research. Bad move on the defense side. Can’t wait to see what JM does to this idiot.

  475. JesusFreak
    03/18/2013 at 2:16 pm

    So, out of 3% of the population that could have this it is mostly in people over 50!

    Great find, Pam!!!!!

  476. PAM
    03/18/2013 at 2:18 pm

    Miss psycho looked all this up and made herself seem like she has these symptoms….this dr. is full of malarcky. I need to go to airport to pick up relative. Does anyone know where I can watch today’s court proceedings later. LOL…I don’t want to go…I am as addicted to this trial as everyone else on here. I know it has been said over and over but thank you to the moderators of this to have somewhere to go to read and share our obsession. You are the best. Was away over weekend and read all the posts this morning and you guys are terrific.

  477. JesusFreak
    03/18/2013 at 2:21 pm

    I’m watching live, but this excellent examination is contributing to my zoning out. Don’t know what I would do without Donchais. You life’s work sounds so romantic, but here is the ugly side, when you have to pay attention to such as the man on the stand and his examiner. You have a great love for your work, i’m sure, because no other way could you listen intently to this crap!!!!!!!!!!

    • janeto
      03/18/2013 at 3:09 pm

      @anybody on he.re I can’t find a live feed like usual. Someone give me a url. Please!

  478. Bethany
    03/18/2013 at 2:21 pm

    It appears I didn’t read ahead…if I read correctly, the defense dropped their request for adding the 2nd degree charge? Am I correct or just completely confused?

  479. 03/18/2013 at 2:24 pm

    lol nice scribbles… wth! Ive enterred the twilight zone… we have a saying out here… “only in america” and this is one of those moments. I’m down the rabbit hole now!!!

  480. Bethany
    03/18/2013 at 2:24 pm

    Is he seriously demonstrating the loss of memory through a pencil drawing on a piece of paper?! How is this at all effective? Where is his evidence to back this up? Is is coming from a third graders notebook?!

  481. 03/18/2013 at 2:26 pm

    encouraged her to reveal the truth??? yeah ok! You mean gave her the cue to come up with another version cos the intruders just wasn’t working.

  482. Laine
    03/18/2013 at 2:30 pm

    Syntara :lol nice scribbles… wth! Ive enterred the twilight zone… we have a saying out here… “only in america” and this is one of those moments. I’m down the rabbit hole now!!!

    I’m with ya…following you down the rabbit hole! Hope my antenna doesn’t get stuck!!!

  483. Bethany
    03/18/2013 at 2:30 pm

    How can bits and pieces of memory be retrieved if they supposedly have no memories stored?!

  484. 03/18/2013 at 2:31 pm

    I beg to differ… she suffers from SELECTIVE amnesia and I’ve got the scientific evidence to prove it… look
    ________________
    ———{{{\\| {}}}}{________ <— see THERE!!!

  485. 03/18/2013 at 2:33 pm

    back up I need rewind… wth she came to on the road to where? to dump the gun??? to roll around with the new beau? exactly when???

  486. Nienna
    03/18/2013 at 2:35 pm

    OMG! She looks more upset about the Doc’s previously complaint against him than she did the whole time talking about TA! VOMIT!!!!

  487. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 2:35 pm

    JA is trying sooooooooooooo hard to work up a red face and maybe a tear. Gimme a break!

  488. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 2:36 pm

    I guess they figured they had to deal with that complaint on their terms so they can spin after the weekend deluge. LOL

  489. Laine
    03/18/2013 at 2:39 pm

    OK Somebody please tell me!!! How you can lose a memory that you HAVEN’T CREATED!!!! ARGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

  490. 03/18/2013 at 2:40 pm

    ________————–_________—————__________

    This diagram depicts selective amnesia scaled to allow graphical representations to the limits of my ipad. Where the line rises More memory is allowed, as this is when its convenient to remember, The lower line depicts no memory because these memories would be inconvenient. This condndition arises in 75% o the population to varying degrees and frequency.

  491. 03/18/2013 at 2:42 pm

    it will likely affect murderers on the stand who have memories inconvenient to the defense they are concocting.

  492. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 2:47 pm

    Notice how he had to get the dig in that the wife and her “attorney/boyfriend”. Plus there were many details he didn’t want to get into. ROFL yeah riiiiiiiiiiiiighhhhhhtttt!!!

  493. Family of Law
    03/18/2013 at 2:49 pm

    OMG! It’s a common complaint that psychologists are charged with “bartering” for dental work???? PLEASE JM, decimated this Dr. Toad!!!

  494. 03/18/2013 at 2:51 pm

    Laine… the flashbacks must be black flashes. We have erased this disc. beam me up scottie Cluster non functionl, memory not here… ergo you must have GTA. yeah yeah that must be it… figured it out now.

  495. 03/18/2013 at 2:55 pm

    BEAM ME UP SCOTTIE!!! hahahaha this is too funny!! oh recess allready???? maybe someone will shoot him for us. I say bring back arias… her and Nurmi are better than this. This is cruel and unusual punishment!

  496. PK
    03/18/2013 at 2:59 pm

    Dr. Quack suggests that JA didn’t begin to emerge from her “fog” until hours after killing TA despite the fact that JA could readily get on her escape route to Salt Lake City via Rural Route 60/93 to get back to I-15 in Las Vegas to turn her cell phone back on in Nevada, NOT Arizona when the quickest/best/best/established route to go from Mesa to the Salt Lake City area is north on I-17 through Flagstaff, AZ and then Hwy 89 north continuing on to Utah. Dr. Quack lives in Phoenix so he knows you can’t get to Rural Route 60/93 in a fog real or imagined.

  497. Observer
    03/18/2013 at 3:01 pm

    Dr. Quack must have been reading the Internet blogs and knows no one buys his soap opera amnesia and we all know about the fine for the ethics complaint in New Jersey against him.

    Now he is trying to do damage control before Martinez gets a hold of him. Good luck.

    Intrusive thoughts? That’s Dr. Quacks explanation for her BS story about Travis body slamming and chasing her. LOL That’s as crazy as the amnesia BS

  498. 03/18/2013 at 3:03 pm

    how does she have enough cognition through this to think of deleting the photos on the camera? Thats not an automated task by any means. Not that rationality is coming into this but just thought Id throw it out there anyhow.

  499. JesusFreak
    03/18/2013 at 3:07 pm

    Syntari #505
    I want to read the back of the book first. Ha. You said that was part 1. Soooo, what is the best approach to use when you do not have 6 months? I do think that JM has figured out a way to let her look like a liar, murderer, and SICK individual. Do you have any suggestions to give him?
    I have hoped for some time that he has a junior prosecutor reading the different blogs for help. I surely hope he has someone reading this blog. Everyone has such insight.

  500. 03/18/2013 at 3:14 pm

    JesusFreak Best approach to ‘out’ a psychopath? Don’t bother… Just trust your gut instinct run like heck and move to the other side of the world leaving no forwarding address!!

  501. PK
  502. Schaeffer
    03/18/2013 at 3:16 pm

    What is Jodi drawing or writing in? She is writing with her RIGHT hand! What a calculated move to “prove” why her handwriting didn’t change in her journal when Travis allegedly broke her finger. And speaking of having a broken finger, I noticed her story of putting her hand out to ward off a blow from Travis was exactly the same story she used with her mother breaking her brother’s hand; his fingers and hands were broken when he put his hand out to ward off a blow from the wooden spoon their mother used. NOT THAT I BELIEVE EITHER OF THESE STORIES!!! But it is yet another instance of her using the exact storyline in more than one instance. Also, with all the “abuse” she and her brother suffered — getting slammed into furniture, floors, and doorways, repeatedly beaten with a wooden spoon, broken bones, etc. — don’t you think somebody would have noticed? They went to school and had friends.

  503. 03/18/2013 at 3:21 pm

    mines in recess… is that live? If so when.. in hours and mins, do they get back? ie an hour 10 mins ok I need a world clock set on arizona time.. this is too hard!

  504. NancyB
    03/18/2013 at 3:33 pm

    Schaeffer – yes and why didn’t the defense call her brother to give testimony on all that abuse???

  505. Nienna
    03/18/2013 at 3:33 pm

    http://wildabouttrial.com/videos/jodi-arias-live-stream.html

    This link has little interuption. Also, the reporter is in court and a live twitter feed runs adjacent to the screen.

    • janeto
      03/18/2013 at 3:39 pm

      @nienna I was ther, but nothing was showing. Now I at least see the Az. Seal! Whew. Thanks all!!!

  506. Nienna
    03/18/2013 at 3:34 pm

    Syntara :
    mines in recess… is that live? If so when.. in hours and mins, do they get back? ie an hour 10 mins ok I need a world clock set on arizona time.. this is too hard!

    About an hour left until recess is over.

  507. 03/18/2013 at 3:38 pm

    thanks a bunch Nienna

  508. JesusFreak
    03/18/2013 at 3:39 pm

    Observer: Re 487I
    I just found this, am catching up on missed reading.

    You said, “Searcy told HLN Jodi called him on June 4 and told him Travis was dead and she was in California and he didn’t ask any questions. Searcy said he called the prosecutor after the arrest and left a message and they never called him back.”

    Can’t JM recall Searcy to the stand and prove him a liar, liar, pants onfire?

  509. JesusFreak
    03/18/2013 at 3:40 pm

    that was 487. inadvertent 1. sorry.

  510. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 3:40 pm

    Schaeffer :
    She is writing with her RIGHT hand! What a calculated move

    Yes it is calculated but probably because she knew the camera was on her. I would bet money that the jurors were either looking at the attorneys, Dr. Quack or the judge during the numerous sidebars.

  511. Chrissie A
    03/18/2013 at 3:41 pm

    Here’s a pleading by Juan about why experts shouldn’t be allowed to testify about heresay from Travis:

    http://twitdoc.com/view.asp?id=87948&sid=1VV0&ext=PDF&lcl=JA-Expert-Hearsay-Issue.pdf&usr=zou2&doc=131073149&key=key-21kj9j6hql5h8f67ozw6

  512. JesusFreak
    03/18/2013 at 3:47 pm

    Observer :
    Syntara, his friends said he wasn’t afraid of her in June when he was killed. He joked about her killing him but didn’t take it seriously.

    He had told that friend, the one that kept having him over to eat once a week, she was going to kill him. He said it in complete belief apparently.

  513. Chrissie A
    03/18/2013 at 3:49 pm

    Copy of pleading by Juan about forged TA letters:

    http://twitdoc.com/1VV2

  514. JesusFreak
    03/18/2013 at 3:51 pm

    janeto :
    @anybody on he.re I can’t find a live feed like usual. Someone give me a url. Please!

    they started a 11 and quit for lunch at 11:57. Went to chambers.back at a1:25.

  515. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 3:51 pm

    Syntara :
    mines in recess… is that live? If so when.. in hours and mins, do they get back? ie an hour 10 mins ok I need a world clock set on arizona time.. this is too hard!

    You were probably better off when you were watching it on YouTube. Live is a real pain in the butt. You just get all comfy and court is late starting. Then there are the sidebars and before ya know it, there has been 20 minutes of testiphony and it’s time for lunch. That’s usually an hour and a half but they never start back on time. AZ time. 1:30 (which is usually closer to 2) we start back up and after oh say 15 minutes of actual testiphony it’s break time at 3:00. Supposed to be back in around 15-20 minutes but are ya seeing the trend yet? Then before you know it, it’s 4:30 and they have to leave promptly because JA has health issues. LOL

    Now if JM is up to bat, we get a hell of a lot more testiphony but things still run on the late side. Everyone is awake and attentive though!!! 🙂

  516. Family of Law
    03/18/2013 at 3:51 pm

    My son just texted me that his professor just used “The State of Arizona vs. Jodi Arias” in his lecture this morning!!! (My son is a 1st year at University of Chicago Law School). My son has been watching the trial too, and we discuss it (far more often than my husband likes!) and he said that his professor was discussing Juan Martinez’s prosecutorial style as an example is getting a “hard to crack nut” to trip up!!! LOVE THIS quote from his professor, “when the defendant is a pathologicial lying nutcase, you need to be a nutcracker”!!!

  517. Chrissie A
    03/18/2013 at 3:52 pm

    Copy of pleading by Juan that includes the Yreka police report about the gun that JA probably used on TA:
    http://twitdoc.com/1VUY

  518. JesusFreak
    03/18/2013 at 3:54 pm

    Syntara :
    JesusFreak Best approach to ‘out’ a psychopath? Don’t bother… Just trust your gut instinct run like heck and move to the other side of the world leaving no forwarding
    address!!

    So true, but so sad, life can be so ruined by one individual.

  519. Chrissie A
    03/18/2013 at 3:55 pm

    janeto :
    @anybody on he.re I can’t find a live feed like usual. Someone give me a url. Please!

    If you didn’t find one yet: http://www.kpho.com/category/224303/cbs-5-local-live-streaming

    • janeto
      03/18/2013 at 4:02 pm

      Thanks Chrissie! & Jesus freak!! 🙂

  520. 03/18/2013 at 3:58 pm

    He knew she would kill him I guarantee that. I know he did. Equally I know he wanted to believe he was wrong. How she got in there that day is open to conjecture, but Im telling you he knew he had to get through it, unfortunately somewhere along the way she lulled him into a false sense of security. There’s still something really odd about those shower pics but Im yet to find good quality links to them to study them more closely.

  521. Nienna
    03/18/2013 at 4:03 pm

    The Yreka police report said that the stolen gun was loaded with 7 jacketed hollow point rounds. Did we ever find out if this is the same bullet TA was shot with?

  522. Nienna
    03/18/2013 at 4:04 pm

    Syntara & Janeto – No prooblem!

  523. 03/18/2013 at 4:04 pm

    “when the defendant is a pathologicial lying nutcase, you need to be a nutcracker”!!!

    haha love it… actually…. more like a mallet but hey… the nutcracker works better in prose

  524. Nancy Pennington
    03/18/2013 at 4:06 pm

    MMD: yes, husband is a great source of information about degenerates /criminals. To further his creds he worked in the mental facility section of the prison. As to your borrowing him, feel free (he has been retired for three years sooo need I say more? Somehow I don’t think that falls under abuse but…..it can be annoying. Just kidding dear!

  525. 03/18/2013 at 4:15 pm

    I still can’t believe that guy scribbling the chart.. ok if it was an accurate representation of Jodi’s brain activity (what little there is) yes fully understandable but he;d of course had to have had the original mapping for it anyhow… I’m still in shock about it… what the heck was that?? yikes… PTSD again? Might as well go work on jad’s next installment instead of watching seal. Mind you I have to say its preferable to sitting through Gus2’s BS

  526. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 4:16 pm

    Nancy Pennington :
    MMD: yes, husband is a great source of information about degenerates /criminals. To further his creds he worked in the mental facility section of the prison. As to your borrowing him, feel free (he has been retired for three years sooo need I say more? Somehow I don’t think that falls under abuse but…..it can be annoying. Just kidding dear!

    I just had to use the entire quote because it is so damned funny!!!!!!!! That truly made me roar with laughter. Tell him that we need him on the weekends when court is NOT in session – that way, you can go and do what you want and we get expert opinions, Does that work for you??????? 🙂 We promise to send him back when we’re through!!! LOL

  527. JesusFreak
    03/18/2013 at 4:16 pm

    Sorry. I am average to ugly. Overweight and at the best I have average facial features. That may have something to do with my attitude. Here we go…. Why does everyone call JA beautiful? She is skinny and has had breast implants. Does that make one beautiful in people’s eyes?

  528. 03/18/2013 at 4:20 pm

    What did this defense team do… advertise for someone who would claim she had transient global amnesia? What rock did they find this weasel under?

  529. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 4:21 pm

    Family of Law :
    My son just texted me that his professor just used “The State of Arizona vs. Jodi Arias” in his lecture this morning!!!
    LOVE THIS quote from his professor, “when the defendant is a pathologicial lying nutcase, you need to be a nutcracker”!!!

    It’s nice that you have the entire family involved. My dogs provide no feedback whatsoever and they rarely text me 😦

    Love the quote from the prof though. This trial is going be one for the law books just as I hope JA’s brain will be a study for the scientists!

  530. Nancy Pennington
    03/18/2013 at 4:23 pm

    MMD: you can pick up at the Greyhound bus station and I’ll call you when I need him back.

  531. 03/18/2013 at 4:24 pm

    Jesusfreak – I cant see her as anything but evil. She makes my skin crawl and I need to shower for an extended period of time. after watching her.

    OK now there’s a thought. Did she ‘leave’, wait til he was in the shower then come back?

  532. Bethany
    03/18/2013 at 4:27 pm

    MMD :

    Family of Law :
    My son just texted me that his professor just used “The State of Arizona vs. Jodi Arias” in his lecture this morning!!!
    LOVE THIS quote from his professor, “when the defendant is a pathologicial lying nutcase, you need to be a nutcracker”!!!

    It’s nice that you have the entire family involved. My dogs provide no feedback whatsoever and they rarely text me
    Love the quote from the prof though. This trial is going be one for the law books just as I hope JA’s brain will be a study for the scientists!

    MMD, I’m with you. If I even bring this case up with my family they just roll their eyes at me and groan. They say, “Not again! when is this trial going to be over so that we don’t have to hear anymore about it!!!” I have to remind them that they are the only people I can talk to about it. My dogs aren’t much better either. They just look at me like I’m crazy!! 🙂

  533. JesusFreak
    03/18/2013 at 4:28 pm

    WHAT!!!!!! Judge was there long enough to say please be seated. Long brown hair came up. Judge whispered and left. We got the Az seal again.

  534. Bethany
    03/18/2013 at 4:29 pm

    They just look at me like I’m crazy!! By that I mean both dogs and family 😦

  535. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 4:30 pm

    JesusFreak :
    Does that make one beautiful in people’s eyes?

    I don’t think she is particularly attractive especially with the make under she has had. She was reasonably attractive in the 48 Hours Interview but makeup and good lighting can do wonders. I think it is more her sexual voodoo that gets to the men but WTH do I know. I usually find the personality and humour of a man more attractive than his looks! Plus, thankfully, I don’t think I EVER had her kind of sexual voodoo plus I have never molded my way of thinking, acting, speaking etc. to any man. I’m just too damn blunt!

  536. Bethany
    03/18/2013 at 4:30 pm

    JesusFreak :
    WHAT!!!!!! Judge was there long enough to say please be seated. Long brown hair came up. Judge whispered and left. We got the Az seal again.

    I just saw that too. Glad to know that I’m not going crazier than I already am!

  537. 03/18/2013 at 4:31 pm

    Further to #583… that would explain why she’s fully clothed,, and she took her shoes off to sneak back – hence the socks ie no shoes.

  538. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 4:35 pm

    Syntara :
    OK now there’s a thought. Did she ‘leave’, wait til he was in the shower then come back?

    That has been my working theory. I think she left after they woke up and had sex, if they even did. Then she snuck back in and caught him off guard when he was in the shower. Remember this is the person that would hide in closets or come in through doggie doors.

  539. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 4:36 pm

    Nancy Pennington :
    MMD: you can pick up at the Greyhound bus station and I’ll call you when I need him back.

    Okie dokie ROFL It’ll be an awful long bus ride though!

  540. Laine
    03/18/2013 at 4:38 pm

    Family of Law :My son just texted me that his professor just used “The State of Arizona vs. Jodi Arias” in his lecture this morning!!! (My son is a 1st year at University of Chicago Law School). My son has been watching the trial too, and we discuss it (far more often than my husband likes!) and he said that his professor was discussing Juan Martinez’s prosecutorial style as an example is getting a “hard to crack nut” to trip up!!! LOVE THIS quote from his professor, “when the defendant is a pathologicial lying nutcase, you need to be a nutcracker”!!!

    That is just awesome!!! He sounds like a great professor!

  541. Family of Law
    03/18/2013 at 4:43 pm

    MMD- to add to the humor, his law professor is a “small in stature” woman is her mid 50’s. Prior to teaching, she was a Cook County prosacutor, with an amazing record- my son adores her- she is affectionately known as the “killer chihuahua”!

    Syntara- I agree, those shower pictures are NOT taken how “liar, liar, pants ON FIRE” says. I truly believe the close up (last pic while he was alive) looks as though he is under distress, and his eyes are red… I do not believe that he expected her to show up at his house- JA said he was on the computer looking at videos, awaiting her 4:30am arrival. Forensics did not show that he’d been on the computer at that time (in fact his last log in – I think, was around 3:30 the previous afternoon. I think she went in the usual way, the doggy door.

  542. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 4:44 pm

    Nienna :
    The Yreka police report said that the stolen gun was loaded with 7 jacketed hollow point rounds. Did we ever find out if this is the same bullet TA was shot with?

    OK I saw court documents that said that the the bullets the grandfather had were Westchester and the same make and weight ? as the one used to kill TA. Not knowing guns I don’t know how common that make is but the weight was the same.

  543. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 4:50 pm

    NancyB :
    Schaeffer – yes and why didn’t the defense call her brother to give testimony on all that abuse???

    Cause it never happened! 🙂

  544. 03/18/2013 at 4:52 pm

    WTH he is talking about paedophiia?? ok Im totally lost now… why is he talking about this??? Have I switched trials????

  545. Nienna
    03/18/2013 at 4:52 pm

    MMD :

    Nienna :
    The Yreka police report said that the stolen gun was loaded with 7 jacketed hollow point rounds. Did we ever find out if this is the same bullet TA was shot with?

    OK I saw court documents that said that the the bullets the grandfather had were Westchester and the same make and weight ? as the one used to kill TA. Not knowing guns I don’t know how common that make is but the weight was the same.

    .25 caliber is not super rare but not common according to my gun enthusiast husband. I will ask him about that. Is it Westchester or Winchester? Winchester is very common brand. I do not believe the most people use jacketed hollow point ammo though.

  546. Schaeffer
    03/18/2013 at 4:56 pm

    As I mentioned in #550, she is writing with her right hand, and it just happens to be right before they show her diary entry of Jan 24, 2008 when he supposedly broke her finger. What a show!!

  547. Family of Law
    03/18/2013 at 4:58 pm

    * the “he” professor, turned out to be a “she”- that made me laugh even harder!

  548. JesusFreak
    03/18/2013 at 5:02 pm

    just moved to “wild about trial”. Seeing a lot of commercials on crime and courts news.

  549. Schaeffer
    03/18/2013 at 5:08 pm

    According to Dr Wackadoo, prison has been the best thing that ever happened to Jodi. Her self esteem has improved, her personality has strengthened, she was more confident, more outgoing, in better control of her emotions, blah blah blah. This is fantastic evidence to LEAVE HER THERE!

    • 03/18/2013 at 5:19 pm

      Schaffer -I agree with you. Her self esteem improved while in jail?? WTH…. Maybe the jury will help her out and leave her there.

  550. 03/18/2013 at 5:08 pm

    OK .. Gus2 just shot himself in the head. He basically said PTSD is from guilt in the case of the someone killing another. Well bang.. there goes that theory..psychopaths do NOT feel guilt. rut roh Gus you just had an epic fail and showed exactly why your testimony is totally irrelevant. No psychologist who had accurately diagnosed her would NOT claim she was experiencing.

    Yeah right traditional therapy is going to help a psychopath… puhlease!!!

  551. JesusFreak
    03/18/2013 at 5:09 pm

    Her esteem strengthened over the years. I guess this is all due to Super Psych.

  552. 03/18/2013 at 5:11 pm

    oops.. correction… no psychologist who had accurately diagnosed her would claim she was experiencing PTSD

  553. JesusFreak
    03/18/2013 at 5:16 pm

    lost wild about trials. back on crimes etc.

  554. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 5:17 pm

    I just know that every time the court reporter looks at Dr, Quack reading his note, his eyes have mentally rolled to the back of his head! 🙂

    Plus if everything he is talking about he is so familiar with for so many years, then wth does he need notes for?????????????????

  555. Schaeffer
    03/18/2013 at 5:18 pm

    Oh, yeah, prison has also been extremely beneficial for Jodi because it gave her so many chances to confide in people. Poor poor little Jodi — her life was so miserable before she went to prison. . . He makes it sound like the only reason she didn’t confess is because she had no one to confess to.

  556. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 5:18 pm

    JesusFreak :
    lost wild about trials. back on crimes etc.

    try this link http://www.azcentral.com/live/?event=031813-jodi-arias-trial It’s the one I stick with.

  557. 03/18/2013 at 5:20 pm

    hahaha oh yeah right now PTSD results in flat affect? riiiiiiight I want the research on that one!

    Pfffft LMAO ok ptsd is responsible for her making up the intruder story. What the heck??? I want the research that shows PTSD results in pathological lying or at least mimics it.

    Delusion… you bet… she creates her own reality there is no doubt about that, but its one centred around herself.

    Why does he need to read from notes.. this should b basic stuff for him… if JM can talk without notes on new subjects to him… why c ant this guy speak without book on symptoms for a diagnosis he has been making for 30+ years? This is really terrible. It’s beyond a joke now because this should be serious a man lost his life in a most heinous way and this idiot is making a mockery of this trial.

  558. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 5:20 pm

    How come we haven’t seen one bit of shaking Dr, Quack???????????????

  559. Laine
    03/18/2013 at 5:20 pm

    This quacks testimony is really quite shocking…it’s so blatantly the same as her testimony that it looks likes he’s coached her…or been coached BY her as to what to relay….I am positive the jury will see through this, the defense team look incompetant at best and deceitful at worst…..

  560. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 5:23 pm

    Vickee :
    Schaffer -I agree with you. Her self esteem improved while in jail?? WTH…. Maybe the jury will help her out and leave her there.

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! We want her to go to death row, not just a county jail!

    • 03/18/2013 at 5:30 pm

      MMD-please do not panic I also want her home. I did not articulate that comment properly. The DP would put her in jail/prison for possibly years before she gets the needle. I am on your side, make mistake.

  561. 03/18/2013 at 5:30 pm

    yep its tailored point by point to her testimony and it’s failings. No doubt about that. Which would be fine if he was speaking with any accuracy.. but he isn’t… He hasn’t even diagnosed her. This is psychology from a weeties packet (or an equivalent breakfast cereal you get over there)

  562. Chrissie A
    03/18/2013 at 5:30 pm

    The trial so far today:

  563. 03/18/2013 at 5:31 pm

    MMD- correction. “Make NO mistake”

  564. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 5:32 pm

    I really hope Wurmi hasn’t reproduced???????? Can you imagine little wurmis running around!!!!! – now that would give me PTSD for sure!

  565. 03/18/2013 at 5:34 pm

    no wonder the power point was finished that morning… he was writing it to her testimony. He tailored everything he said to cover the inconsistencies in her testimony. In other words every point we have been discussing over the last few days. He should be shredded for this, professionally. He should never be allowed to work again. I’m gobsmacked.

  566. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 5:34 pm

    JM truly is a great gift to the AZ judicial system! I wish he would reproduce a bunch of little JM replicas ready to fight crime!

  567. 03/18/2013 at 5:35 pm

    MMD-smart phone making me feel stupid….again. Need a nap Dr. Doozie is driving me crazy. I need JM.

  568. Chrissie A
    03/18/2013 at 5:35 pm

    MMD :
    I really hope Wurmi hasn’t reproduced???????? Can you imagine little wurmis running around!!!!! – now that would give me PTSD for sure!

    Ugh – My hippocampus just shut down…

  569. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 5:35 pm

    Chrissie A :
    The trial so far today:

    Yup, you summed it up perfectly 🙂

  570. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 5:37 pm

    How long is the defense gonna stretch out this quack????????????

  571. Laine
    03/18/2013 at 5:38 pm
  572. Laine
    03/18/2013 at 5:41 pm

    MMD :I really hope Wurmi hasn’t reproduced???????? Can you imagine little wurmis running around!!!!! – now that would give me PTSD for sure!

    Hahahaha If I had to see that I’d be begging for Global amnesia!!!

  573. Chrissie A
    03/18/2013 at 5:42 pm

    MMD :
    How long is the defense gonna stretch out this quack????????????

    I hope soon – Dr.FonzieBlowfish is giving me the jittery knee 🙂

  574. NancyB
    03/18/2013 at 5:43 pm

    In Arizona, do the judges give the instruction to the jury that if a witness (in this case JA) lies on the stand that the jury can dismiss her whole testimony?

  575. JesusFreak
    03/18/2013 at 5:44 pm

    Jodi looks like she is about to fall asleep.

  576. Chrissie A
    03/18/2013 at 5:45 pm

    Juan!!! Action time!!!

  577. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 5:45 pm

    Thank God, our prayers have been answered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Juan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  578. 03/18/2013 at 5:46 pm

    I really hope Wurmi hasn’t reproduced???????? Can you imagine little wurmis running around!!!!! – now that would give me PTSD for sure!

    lol! Do you have to make it worse!!

    How the heck can you do that to someone and not be in a state of acute stress.. you need indicators she was in acute stress? Why cos she’s a crazy loon psycho biatch?

    What are they doing.. using this guy as an expert on everything? wth is going on I don’t get it.

    What??? can we not have so many objections…. Dont bring a junk psychologists to court.

    She sliced the guy open for heavens sake…. how could she not be pumping heavy duty adrenaline.

    its over thank heavens .. time to listen JM is up

  579. Schaeffer
    03/18/2013 at 5:48 pm

    I think Jodi was sending the coded messages in the magazine to Dr. Wackadoo!!!

  580. 03/18/2013 at 5:49 pm

    JM ask him… are you aware Travis called her an evil sociopath? Answer

    Well is she a sociopath? I want to hear his answer SO bad!

  581. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 5:50 pm

    Saw a tweet that JM is living up to his nickname of Sidebar Martinez! Who cares, he cut the quack short!!!!!!!!

  582. Laine
    03/18/2013 at 5:50 pm

    OMG I don’t believe it!!! This godamn judge’s favourite word!!! RECESS!!! Arghhhhh!!!

  583. NancyB
    03/18/2013 at 5:51 pm

    I keep wondering why there has been such a firm stance by the judge in siding with the defense to not show the more graphic autopsy photos of Travis’ injuries to his back & the cut on his neck and cuts on his skull? Actually, JM was also not allowed to show the pic of the defensive deep cuts to his hand also.

    Aside from when the medical examiner was testifying, any other time Juan has attempted to show them the defense team objects, followed by going into sidebar, and Juan isn’t allowed to show them.

    I realize they are extremely graphic, but this is what JA did to Travis and I think this judge has made the wrong rulings on this. She has no backbone and is a wimp. The atty’s are in charge of her courtroom, which is a shame. I strongly prefer a judge who absolutely is in charge.

  584. 03/18/2013 at 5:51 pm

    Or at least: doesn’t she present as a text book sociopath therefore rendering your testimony irrelevant?

  585. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 5:51 pm

    Wurmi is whining again, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  586. NancyB
    03/18/2013 at 5:54 pm

    OMG! Dr Fog sent her cards, gifts? OMG!

  587. Chrissie A
    03/18/2013 at 5:55 pm

    NancyB :
    I keep wondering why there has been such a firm stance by the judge in siding with the defense

    So it will hold up under appeal – she’s being careful

  588. 03/18/2013 at 5:55 pm

    My post #629 should have a line after my one line comment to MMD

    the rest was back to the farce in front of me… sorry! It reads like the whole thing is to MMD!

  589. 03/18/2013 at 5:59 pm

    If this keeps up she is going to get her way of “no jury will ever convict me”

  590. 03/18/2013 at 6:03 pm

    If the jury believes this crap, it’s going to be a game changer. This is so wrong. If it was accurate that would be one thing. I hope the prosecution has had a real psychologist diagnose her and is expert enough to rebutt this stuff or Travis is screwed again.

  591. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 6:05 pm

    Syntara :
    My post #629 should have a line after my one line comment to MMD
    the rest was back to the farce in front of me… sorry! It reads like the whole thing is to MMD!

    That’s ok – I’ll listen to your rants! I’m pretty good at them too 🙂

  592. Karen
    03/18/2013 at 6:12 pm

    JM is gonna rip this fools head off and put it up his a– where he can spew his crap in the proper place…the toilet!

  593. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 6:13 pm

    Syntara :
    If the jury believes this crap, it’s going to be a game changer. This is so wrong. If it was accurate that would be one thing. I hope the prosecution has had a real psychologist diagnose her and is expert enough to rebutt this stuff or Travis is screwed again.

    Nor to worry Syntara – JM has his whole case covered. Have faith. Remember he is 3 steps ahead of everyone else according to Beth Karas!

    Now aren’t you glad that you found us – you fit right in so well!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🙂

  594. NancyB
    03/18/2013 at 6:16 pm

    IMO Laviolette seems to be a pretty hardcore feminist — to the point of discounting the possibility of men being domestic violence victims, so I’m just guessing that her testimony in particular will go the farthest to support JA, even in the face if other evidence that would suggest that Jodi was not a victim of abuse and in fact may have been the abusive partner in the relationship.

  595. 03/18/2013 at 6:22 pm

    I’m off to bed… its nearly 6:30am I’m going to beddy byes. but I have another book to recommend to This lunatic

    In Sheeps Clothiing, understanding manipulating people by Dr George K Simon PhD
    ( http://www.manipulative-people.com/ )

    I’ll catch up on Martinez perfromance from you tube. *waves*

  596. NancyB
    03/18/2013 at 6:25 pm

    Dr Quack is cooked! There are NO exceptions to the Canon of Ethics mandated by his licensing board! Keep hollering Juan! This jerk is in violation and blurred the lines. I can’t stand him. I hope Juan asks him how much he is being paid.

  597. Bethany
    03/18/2013 at 6:27 pm

    Syntara: I’m off to bed… its nearly 6:30am I’m going to beddy byes. but I have another book to recommend to This lunatic

    Sleep tight! Don’t let the bed bugs bite. If they do kick them with a shoe and they will turn black and blue. 🙂

  598. Chrissie A
    03/18/2013 at 6:29 pm

    Guess now we know who tutored JA as to how to answer prosecution questions.

  599. Nancy Pennington
    03/18/2013 at 6:30 pm

    This judge is pissing me off. I realize she is being cautious but IMO to a fault.

  600. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 6:36 pm

    Syntara :
    I’m off to bed… its nearly 6:30am I’m going to beddy byes.
    *waves*

    Night night – *waves back* See ya tomorrow

  601. MMD
    03/18/2013 at 6:49 pm

    This is getting really really good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO JUAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Laine
      03/18/2013 at 6:55 pm

      OMG my stomache is churning! I’m so excited! He is the bees knees! The man is a genius!!!

    • 03/18/2013 at 8:18 pm

      Do ya think he has a fan club???

  602. LadyInRed
    03/18/2013 at 6:50 pm

    Oh lordy bea … it’s a Juan-derful day in the neighborhood!

  603. Cats
    03/18/2013 at 6:51 pm

    Nancy Pennington :
    This judge is pissing me off. I realize she is being cautious but IMO to a fault.

    Agree. I’m almost worried because she is being so inconsistent.

  604. Bethany
    03/18/2013 at 6:55 pm

    Schaeffer :
    She is writing with her RIGHT hand! What a calculated move to “prove” why her handwriting didn’t change in her journal when Travis allegedly broke her finger. iends.

    I just noticed that she is now writing with her left hand.

  605. NancyB
    03/18/2013 at 7:05 pm

    Juan has DESTROYED their expert!!! No amount of cross can rehabilitate. He is the finest prosecutor I’ve seen yet watching a trial. The best.

    • Laine
      03/18/2013 at 7:06 pm

      He is absolutely superb! Stunning cross examination!

  606. JesusFreak
    03/18/2013 at 7:05 pm

    jodi is busy writing down the NEW reason for answering stranger as most traumatic.

  607. LadyInRed
    03/18/2013 at 7:05 pm

    Any bets on how fast Dr. Fog rents a U-haul out of Arizona??

  608. NancyB
    03/18/2013 at 7:10 pm

    Extremely unprofessional expert! Juan has revealed the full depth of his lack of competence. He’s worse than a sleezy car salesman! Az board better conduct a full and thorough investigation. He’s nearly as big a liar as his client.

  609. Laine
    03/18/2013 at 7:14 pm

    LadyInRed :Any bets on how fast Dr. Fog rents a U-haul out of Arizona??

    Haha may I steal this please LadyInRed? That is brilliant!

    • Nancy Pennington
      03/18/2013 at 7:18 pm

      I heard he is headed to a job in Yreka CA at the Purple Plum restaurant. He thinks he should have readmimistered the test. No DUH!

  610. LadyInRed
    03/18/2013 at 7:16 pm

    @Laine, of course!!! 🙂

  611. Ci Ci's Circle
    03/18/2013 at 7:16 pm

    We just love it when JM plays dumb and acts like he doesn’t understand something on the tests and then the Schmuck speaks up with exactly what JM was looking for and then JM comes back at him with the correct answer!! Do you think for one minute that JM doesn’t know what every one of those pieces of paper mean! He’s probably gone over every inch of those documents with the Pros Expert prior to court and probably during! He’s just making a bigger fool out of this fool!! Go JM….get him!!

  612. Nancy Pennington
    03/18/2013 at 7:20 pm

    Observer. You posted on day thirty instead of day thirty two. It was a good one so maybe you should move it over so all can read it.

  613. Nancy Pennington
    03/18/2013 at 7:30 pm

    Dr Wakadoo says he has left reports etc either on his desk or at home. Next up his dog ate them.

  614. Laine
    03/18/2013 at 7:32 pm

    Nancy Pennington :I heard he is headed to a job in Yreka CA at the Purple Plum restaurant. He thinks he should have readmimistered the test. No DUH!

    @LadyInRed Thank you! I had to tweet it!
    And Nancy….Let’s hope he’s taking the Petrol cans so he doesn’t have to stop on the way out lol

  615. LadyInRed
    03/18/2013 at 7:34 pm

    OMG … dinner menu is Roast (Boss) Fogg with a side of sphincter casserole and soup de jour is roasted (humiliation) goose tempered with Rocky Mountain Oysters!!

  616. Ci Ci's Circle
    03/18/2013 at 7:36 pm

    We hope the state of AZ reevaluates who they have on the payroll after this for the sake of the Taxpayers! Whatever this guy is being paid it’s too much!! What a flake……he believed a liar and based his evaluation on those lies and then comes in to court and presents his findings based on lies!! JA made a fool out of him and his horny ass fell for it!!

  617. Nancy Pennington
    03/18/2013 at 7:37 pm

    I just heard that Ryan Burns has locked his door and pulled down his shades in case Dr. Wakadoo plans on stopping by.LOL

  618. LadyInRed
    03/18/2013 at 7:37 pm

    ❤ it @Laine #668!

  619. Anna Eaton
    03/18/2013 at 7:39 pm

    Nancy Pennington :
    Observer. You posted on day thirty instead of day thirty two. It was a good one so maybe you should move it over so all can read it.

    I’m glad I wasn’t post #666. need. new. thread.

  620. JesusFreak
    03/18/2013 at 7:42 pm

    so, jm disproved Super Psychs diagnosis. he found she had fog before she knew she had fog, ie, she had not developed that scenario yet. Also, he is such an expert that he knew to hide the original paper she did. he will probably spend half of tonight writing her new answers.

    • Karen
      03/18/2013 at 9:00 pm

      Excellent response..hard to verify handwriting of pencil colored dots.LOL

  621. Tracey A
    03/18/2013 at 7:43 pm

    Wow! Stunning cross examination!!! Juan is on fire!!!! Dr. Fog is toast!!!

  622. WhereIsSHE
    03/18/2013 at 7:46 pm

    NancyB :In Arizona, do the judges give the instruction to the jury that if a witness (in this case JA) lies on the stand that the jury can dismiss her whole testimony?

    See this link for Standard Arizona Jury Charges (a/k/a Jury Instructions)in Criminal Cases: http://www.azbar.org/sectionsandcommittees/committees/criminaljuryinstructions

    If you click on the link provided for “Preliminary Jury Instructions”and tn scroll down to #10, you will see the standard charge relating to Credibility of Witnesses.The jury may accept all or part or none of any given witness’ testimony. I scanned the additional instructions and only found a repeat recitation of this one I mention. In other words, I did not see the specific instruction we refer to as “Falsus in Uno, Falsus in Omnibus”–roughly meaning if the witness is provinding false testimony–or lies–about one thing, then the jury can presume teh witnss is providing false testimony–lies–about EVERYTHING.
    It may be a standard instruction that the State/prosecuting attorney requests in every case–or in certain cases. I just don’t know for certain as I am not a member of the AZ bar.

  623. JesusFreak
    03/18/2013 at 7:49 pm

    here is yet another long night without the trial. Question to all. how old do u think she was when she began exhibiting these traits? when the wooden spoon was recognized by her as abuse?

  624. Ci Ci's Circle
    03/18/2013 at 7:51 pm

    JM handed Dr. Flake’s set to him in his hands and showed him the door today! And he’s not done yet….he’s back tomorrow to finish him off. Dr. Flake better wear Depends tomorrow….he may piss his pants again after JM is done with him! JA sits there writing feverishly and showing her notes to Willmott and they’re both just chattering away to each other…..time to fire up a new frickin’ lie!! Go JM…..put them all in their place!

  625. WhereIsSHE
    03/18/2013 at 7:55 pm

    Does anyone else have difficulty reading their draft comment here? After a certain number of lines, the content I type gets sort of covered by my email address, identity, and it’s rather difficult to use the arrow keys to reveal the draft text, which in turn results in a heap of typos=(! (And I personally HATE having typos in my posts, here or anywhere!) Sorry for the off-topic comment.

    I missed most of the trial today after JA’s defense counsel tried to “take the sting out of expected cross examination” by having her witness try to jabber his way out of what was clearly found to be a serious ETHICS VIOLATION. Did I understand someone’s post above to indicate that JM got to cross Dr. Faux-PTSD/Make-Believe-Amnesia today??? If so, I am looking forward to a good synopsis! (Hint, Hint,Donchais!!)

  626. 03/18/2013 at 8:02 pm

    Perhaps Dr Dodgy needs to refer to the founding father of psychology for some much needed advise:

    “Anyone who wants to know the human psyche will learn next to nothing from experimental psychology. He would be better advised to abandon exact science, put away his scholar’s gown, bid farewell to his study, and wander with human heart throughout the world.

    There in the horrors of prisons, lunatic asylums and hospitals, in drab suburban pubs, in brothels and gambling-hells, in the salons of the elegant, the Stock Exchanges, socialist meetings, churches, revivalist gatherings and ecstatic sects, through love and hate, through the experience of passion in every form in his own body, he would reap richer stores of knowledge than text-books a foot thick could give him, and he will know how to doctor the sick with a real knowledge of the human soul”. — Carl Jung

  627. Karen
    03/18/2013 at 8:16 pm

    I hope JM asks the judge to instruct the witness to please come to court prepared tomorrow with all pertinent information for his testimony. Maybe a sympathy card for JA and her attorneys as well.

  628. Karen
    03/18/2013 at 8:22 pm

    How is it considered evaluating someone when your taking the test or marking the answers for them Which one has PTSD JA or Samuel since they each took half of the test.

  629. Karen
    03/18/2013 at 8:23 pm

    Samuels???more like a lynch mob

  630. 03/18/2013 at 8:27 pm

    A fan club for the wonderful Mr. Juan Martinez that is.

  631. Charlotte Lyon
    03/18/2013 at 9:00 pm

    Jodi Arias is dangerous.

  632. Karen
    03/18/2013 at 9:02 pm

    I’m sorry that response was to JesusFreak

  633. WhereIsSHE
    03/18/2013 at 9:08 pm

    OK. Just caught a little bit of JM’s cross on HLN…
    Today he was absolutely KILLING it.
    A+
    THIS is what a skillful and well-prepared cross-examination looks like!
    Sorry I didn’t rate him as highly as many here did during JA’s cross, but I knew he had to him THIS kind of performance in him somewhere.
    Bravo, JM, on a beautifully organized and superbly executed cross of the defense expert today!

  634. WhereIsSHE
    03/18/2013 at 9:18 pm

    OMG. In response to JM’s hypothetical question about whether or not–when someone LIES AND LIES AND LIES to him during an evaluation–he should try to corroborate their claims, this IDIOT testifies that he would STOP SEEING THEM ALTOGETHER.
    Really??
    Because that is NOT what he said during his DIRECT EXAMINATION!
    I specifically recall him saying that some patients have such difficulty discussing “traumatic” events that they “NEVER TELL” him what “REALLY HAPPENED”.
    So a few days ago… he apparently kept treating these people, but TODAY, he would just dump them?!
    OMG, but he is the WORST expert witness I have EVER SEEN on the stand. And I mean… I have seen over 100 9and read close to probably 1000 or more expert reports in cases that never ended up going to trial.
    This guys is just PATHETIC!
    Great job, JM, on making him SQUIRM!!!

    • Nancy Pennington
      03/18/2013 at 9:54 pm

      Hey guys we are now posting on day 33. Donchais has a recap for today Monday). Comments are flying so come join the party .

  635. 03/18/2013 at 11:55 pm

    Jad

    Part 2

    13 March 2013 (1 of 3)

    #69 This is an easy one… you do NOT give her anything new to work with and you do not let her know where you might be going with the questioning. Look what happens in the interview with Flores when he gives her the out of the two intruders, she puts it together with Travis’ story of his encounter and a jamming gun and ran with it. Voila the birth of the intruder version.

    Never let a psychopath know your motives or they will use them against you – GUARANTEED. Another reason Martinez is handling her perfectly he constantly keeps her guessing and off guard.

    #71 She is a narcissist, all psychopaths are but not all narcissists are psychopaths What is described here is exactly why she is so difficult to handle. She is a pathological liar and a master of deception and manipulation.

    The smallest chance she will have your head spinning because she has taken a cue you did not even realise you had given her and voila, she’s back in her element again.

    Fortunately for us, Jodi’s deception is not exactly reality based so it’s pretty easy to see through if you have any evidence of factual events. If you don’t however, you have only her at face value and that is when you really start to have problems with these personality types.

    #78 Court related

    #93 Let her talk, as long as the prosecutor can then follow up on it likely it will prove to be lies and therefore to his advantage. The likelihood anything she says is truth is very very low. Unfortunately it also means more work for the prosecution hope he has good ppl to delegate this stuff to.

    #100 psychopaths ALWAYS play the victim in their minds they are never at fault. They will take no responsibility for anything. The fact the defense is trying to portray her in that light at every turn is likely as much from direction from her as it being their only avenue to argue self defense in this version. As for the relevance of the brain in shoot out. I have no idea beyond – desperation to link something to Gus2’s testimony.. was the powerpoint already there waiting? Me thinks so!

  636. 03/18/2013 at 11:56 pm

    Jad

    Part 3

    #114 “In moments of extreme stress, the brain does not allow for contemplation; it does not process new information the way it normally does. The more advanced parts of the brain that handle decision making go off-line, unable to intervene until the immediate fear has diminished.””

    Watch air crash investigations and how pilots think in life threatening situations and save themselves, the plane and all the passengers. The simulator pilots crash in the same conditions as the ones who landed safely as they experienced it.

    If the brain seizure claim is true, the simulator pilots should NOT crash (no stress of imminent danger) and the pilots who were in the actual planes should have (extreme stress under life threatening conditions).

    One example that immediately springs to mind is the “Gimli Glider”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4bUXcz43Ls incredible feat of flying under extreme stress.

    How long is immediate? The plane is in imminent danger every moment from the time it runs out of fuel. How is it then that the crew make such incredible decisions if their brains have shut down?

    Seriously this immediate is instant and lasts a very short period of time because there is no doubt you can think through it after only a few short moments of panic if you are disciplined enough to do so.

    #120 – 122 – Court stuff

    #133 Parroting is classic psychopath behaviour. It is how they take their cues for what a person wants them to do and for what emotional response to be giving. Jodi copying Wilmott adjusting her glasses is typical of this. She’s actually learning how to act with the glasses and thinks Wilmott does it in a way she’d like to.

    #134 No surprises on the unprofessional conduct issue. Just shows the bottom feeders they have to go to to get someone who will say what they need.

  637. 03/19/2013 at 12:00 am

    Jad Part 4 (my apologies if defense is typed as defines in any of this, I have no idea why but my auto checker keeps interchanging those words. Very strange.)

    13 March 2013 (3 of 3)

    #136 Its important the Jurors understand why this is not a PTSD situation. Those who have suffered real PTSD are done a grave disservice by the claims here. PTSD is a terrible thing to live with and through it can go on for years and you simply can’t do anything about it. It affects every aspect of your life.

    This is simply NOT what Jodi has. People suffering from PTSD do not coldly slash someone’s neck, do not drag a body into a shower and try to clean up the mess. They do not arrange the scene to pretend they weren’t there. They do not do anything like that. They probably sit in the corner and cry with the murder weapon in there hands, sometimes in a catatonic state. Jodi’s behaviour started long before the day of Travis’ murder, i.e. slashing tyres. For the defense to suggest the crime was out of character is disingenuous.

    Furthermore, someone on the Jury may know someone with PTSD or have suffered it themselves – unless that was specifically asked as Jury selection and none do, If so that’s a very dangerous path to read because they will know what it’s like for someone to have it and it will make them very angry with the defense.

    Long term PTSD is a kind of blur a true kind of fog or sluggishness of your brain function. A kind of mild to moderate semi catatonic state where you just can’t think as clearly as before and your mind is in constant or near constant reminder of the event.

    You do not turn into a cold calculating pathological liar and try to manipulate everyone and everything around you to hide what you have suffered. You simply can’t think that clearly when suffering PTSD and you have no motivation to do so.

  638. 03/19/2013 at 12:02 am

    Jad yet to run through day 14 references. Sorry will post them here as soon as I can (later today my time)

  639. 03/19/2013 at 12:02 am

    Oops correction March 14 refs, sorry

  640. 03/19/2013 at 9:58 am

    Let me preface this by apologising for any typos, I have not had time to carefully proof read them I hope there is minimal and no horrible auto changes that make one go “wth?”

    Jad Part 4

    14 March 2013 (1 of 3)

    #207 “Anyone capable of doing such damage had more than petty jealousy driving her. A person cable of doing such an atrocious act had to be driven by religious fervor. That’s the kind of thing a religious zealot is capable of doing.

    The problem with this is we are not talking about just anyone. This is the mistake people unfamiliar with the nature of psychopathy can easily make. These people are NOT like the rest of us, they simpy don’t view the world as we do. Their sense of entitlement is way way off the chart.

    We are talking about a near perfect psychopath. Anyone around about 16 is potentially dangerous, I suggest Jodi is in the over 30 range.

    The rage generated from losing control of something she so dearly wanted could be enormous. To me it fits I have absolutely no doubt. Zealot she would be make no mistake about that. She’d be a woman possessed.

    While I agree the throat slitting idea was likely born out of reading about blood atonement, the frenzy could not be explained by it alone. The rage comes from the rejection, the final methodology (throat slashing) likely influenced by the blood atonement idea.

    She probably entertained some twisted notion that she and Travis were “sealed” in marriage because he sponsored her baptism, and she performed, at least sexually, as his wife. She would save him from the eternal damnation he would surely endure for having broken his vows of chastity as a temple worthy Mormon man. That also explains why she has no remorse.

    First and foremost she has no remorse because as a psychopath she is incapable of feeling it. You simply don’t feel remorse if you don’t have a conscience.

    If she was capable of remorse she would NOT be a psychopath and therefore could be handled like a ‘normal’ person. That is the crucial element in this case and so hard for many who have never dealt with this personality type to even begin to get their head around. We keep thinking she can feel guilt or remorse so she MUST feel like we do and therefore act on cues as we do. She does NOT. She is wired very very differently. This is what makes her so dangerous.

    I agree in a twisted way the throat slashing was very symbolic and likely if she went on to kill others would have become her MO. I think she would go on to be a serial killer and her final statement to her victims – I’m saving you by doing this – neck slash – go to heaven….NEXT!

    (and off she goes to find another.)

    As for sacrificing her life to save his – can’t see that entering into it. It’s more an act against Travis. I say against because the act was the idea, the symbology behind it more incidental and a final statement to him from his earthly existence. Psychopaths do not feel empathy so the true resonance of the saving him from damnation only resonates superficially with her. She uses everything in a selfish way never out of
    altruism.

  641. 03/19/2013 at 10:03 am

    14 March 2013 (2 of 3)

    #247 She starts the anonymous (eyeroll) email as follows:
    “You are a shameful whore. Your Heavenly Father must be deeply ashamed of the whoredoms you’ve committed with that insidious man….” She goes on to say, “You are driving away the Holy Ghost”, etc and threatens that the girl is risking her Salvation, blahblahblahhhhreligiousblahblahblah.
    Yeah. The 3 HOLE WONDER is calling a (then) virginal teenager a “shameful whore”, and is calling Travis “insidious”.
    That ain’t LOVE.

    Indication of her growing rage. The crime scene is not born out of rage of that day alone it is born out of festering rage from the first moment he rejected her. Notice every day she has a fabricated “abuse” scenario, when tied to her journals, show it as a day he said ‘no’ to her about something or didn’t plead with her to stay in Mesa etc. This is NOT coincidental. She remembers every time he rejected her as clearly as if it happened yesterday.

    By June 4th 2008 She would have done EVERYTHING her twisted mind to think of to get him back. She was out of options. It was cancel the trip to Cancun or die or take me instead or die. Of course she is unlikely to have verbalised the or die but that was in her head. There had to be the trigger she didn’t just go in and do that. There had to have been a final exchange between them. A final rejection. She would have needed it for the rage. What she felt must have been overwhelming, a complete frenzy. That quickly dissipated and returned to cold, calculated coverup. She likely meant him to die in the shower so she could run it over him and wash all the trace evidence away, but he lived a lot longer and fought a lot harder than she ever expected and the cleanup was just too much and taking too long… she had to get to her alibi – the new beau.

    It was a masterful plan that went terribly wrong. Thankfully!! If he had died in the shower she could have rinsed him off and left, how much quicker would that have been and the fuel from the gas cans… no receipts for that day nothing to tie her there. It could have worked.

    #273 Most of what is outlined here is excellent insight. The one understandable and common misconception is “religion is one of the few things that can drive a person to such madness”.

    In a normally ordered person’s mind, yes this is often the case however we are talking about a personality DISorder here. We are talking about a disorder so extreme the person simply doesn’t feel emotion or morality as we do on the most fundamental levels. What sends her into a rage most of us would look at and think “there’s something wrong with that girl”. Bear in mind psychopathy was originally called “moral insanity” in the 19th century and for good reason. A psychopath has a sense of self entitlement above and to the exclusion of all else.

    #276 “Would you love that man or woman enough to shed their blood?”

    Eerie. In her twisted mind this like giving her permission to slit his throat if she loves him it is certainly likely whee she got the idea. Until this forum mentioned blood atonement I had been wondering why the throat slit. The various references to it in this forum, particularly the references given by WhereIsShe, so satisfyingly explains it I feel it to be true.

    In reality her ‘love’ is more akin to possession. This is why she slit his throat it was supposed to be the final act but somehow his body convulsed or twitched she thought he was still alive hence the final shot to the head. The shot had to be last or near last for the casing to land untainted on the pool of blood.

    • 03/19/2013 at 12:36 pm

      Syntara- have found your posts to be so informational and chilling. Thank you for sharing all this information regarding a psychopath.
      TA knew something was wrong with her but I wonder if he knew how horribly wrong. I feel such horror for what Travis had to have felt upon the initial strike from her. You have put into perspective the whole of their relationship.
      Watching her yesterday was scary. She looked so detached from the proceedings. At one point she looked as though she was snoozing.
      I am not am advocate for the DP but each day, more and more I know she needs to pay the ultimate price.

  642. 03/19/2013 at 10:05 am

    14 March 2013 (3 of 3)

    #278 “Who knows what was going on in that bedroom for so many hours.
Who knows if those photos on the bed were taken voluntarily by Travis– or whether he was held at gunpoint– or whether a timer was used to make it appear as though certain shots were taken by Travis (as opposed to BY JODI, OF HERSELF).
    I think it’s most likely that Travis was under duress, at the very least, the entire time she was there. I think she put her hair in those braids for those photos ON PURPOSE. I think this was premeditated for far longer in advance than can be proven in a court of law.
    While she may have simply fantasized about it beforehand, my guess is that she started to form an actual revenge murder plot the hour or minute she departed Mesa in that Uhaul on her way back to Yreka in the Spring of ’08.”

    I agree with almost everything here except I think she had been planning this for a long time. Long before leaving Mesa. As stated before, she had the gas to ensure she didn’t leave electronic pathways. She didn’t use her phone until she could use it in an area convenient to her alibi. The shower scene was supposed to be quick and wash away all evidence.

    It just all went horribly wrong when Travis wouldn’t die. Somehow even her beloved camera betrayed her that day. Her camera had more of a conscience than she did.

    #344 “a wooden spoon IF that ever did occur) was simply never going to generate the creation of a CONSCIENCE in her brain. She is a classic “sociopath” (classified as “antisocial personality disorder” in the DSM). ”

    “So many of the pundits simply assume that this was a crime of jealousy. And certainly jealousy and anger from Travis’ rejection of her were key motivational factors.”

    It is a crime of jealousy but on a whole different level than most of us perceive. There is so much twisted, disorder in this woman’s head getting through it is a labyrinth of horror even disbelief to most of us. You have to think like she does to even begin to unravel it, that in itself is outside the scope of most people’s cognition simply because we can’t get our head around someone being like this. It’s about a pathological need to control.

    #441 Mikal Gilmore and siblings was someone who TWISTED and USED religious doctrine AGAINST OTHERS, but who clearly failed to live up to the tenets of her own faith on a routine basis.)
    That sounds like someone more deluded than Jodi and I use the term in a psychological sense i.e. a different diagnosis other than psychopathy – more sincere to their chosen doctrine.

    Jodi is not sincere to anything or anyone she is merely a chameleon, a parasite who uses anything, everything and anyone to further own twisted needs and desires. The usage of throat slitting in this way is more symbolic of saying… “There I’ve saved you from damnation” yet at the same time thinking “go to hell”. It’s about her need and nobody else’s.

  643. Karen
    03/19/2013 at 2:05 pm

    Did anyone else catch sleazy Samuels saying he only wrote an addendum because the court gave him new material when he originally testified that he wrote the addendum because of an article he saw in a magazine while waiting at the doctors office . What a scum sucking liar this guy is.

  644. Gigi
    03/19/2013 at 8:22 pm

    Laine :
    Gigi #319
    It’s really interesting..although JA cannot be considered a serial killer as such. She does seem to fit the criteria Particulary:
    Psychopaths are not sensitive to altruistic interview themes, such as sympathy for their victims or remorse/guilt over their crimes. They do possess certain personality traits that can be exploited, particularly their inherent narcissism, selfishness, and vanity. Specific themes in past successful interviews of psychopathic serial killers focused on praising their intelligence, cleverness, and skill in evading capture.

    Laine, that’s interesting, I hadn’t seen that (and you’re right, she doesn’t fall into the category of serial killer, I just happened to be researching something else and saw that part about psychopathy… BTW just thinking about the whole PTSD thing, it’s also interesting that in answer to the jury question regarding her mental condition, she denies even having one. According to her story, shouldn’t she have said, “I didn’t have a mental condition until I developed PTSD after killing Travis”?

  645. Gigi
    03/19/2013 at 8:29 pm

    Syntara :
    jad are they doing this to further their mistrial calls? ie sabotaging their own case to bring about this desired result? It seems to me to have been their primary strategy from the start so looks suspicious.
    ( I see jad and think ‘jodi arias defense’ by the way, plse give me something to replace this )
    have copied list of references.. will start at oldest first to make sense of it. Thankyou for this a start date and post # would have sufficed, I could have navigated from there so your time spent is duly noted and appreciated.

    I am really starting to believe that they’re building in ‘incompetence of defense attorneys’ as a planned defense strategy, as a last resort in their unwinnable case. How else can one explain them hiring Samuels? Wilmott and Nurmi (who hasn’t even got a choice) don’t think it’s career suicide because everyone can see the material they are forced to work with; I think we surely all have a degree of sympathy for them.

  646. Gigi
    03/19/2013 at 8:41 pm

    Observer :
    Gigi, the state did have their own psychologist evaluate her. That testimony and findings will come in the rebuttal case. I don’t know if the judge will allow testimony on anti-social personality disorder. It may be deemed too prejudicial. Martinez and the jurors weren’t allowed to question Jodi on the stalking or slashing of tires, because it could be prejudicial and lead to a reversal of a guilty verdict but Mimi Hall testified to the stalking and tire slashing and the 911 caller mentioned it. Both of these are in evidence.

    Wow, going to be a fascinating rebuttal, Observer!

    (BTW thanks for your responses. I was a bit embarrassed after I had a think about my comments here, and realise I’ve probably barged into someone’s dinner party, pulled up a chair and started blaring out my opinions without so much as an introduction…I tend to just get caught up in all the great comments and ideas and get fired up to comment, but I do want to say it’s a cool vibe you guys have going here, and I hope I haven’t come across as too boorish and rude in jumping in as I did.)

  647. 03/20/2013 at 12:53 am

    Gigi “I tend to just get caught up in all the great comments and ideas and get fired up to comment, but I do want to say it’s a cool vibe you guys have going here, and I hope I haven’t come across as too boorish and rude in jumping in as I did.)”

    I think that might kinda be the idea. All the ideas eventually grow into one big picture to utilise the think tank.

  648. 03/20/2013 at 1:18 am

    Psychopaths are not sensitive to altruistic interview themes, such as sympathy for their victims or remorse/guilt over their crimes. They do possess certain personality traits that can be exploited, particularly their inherent narcissism, selfishness, and vanity. Specific themes in past successful interviews of psychopathic serial killers focused on praising their intelligence, cleverness, and skill in evading capture.

    This is why Flores was effective with her in some degree. He got her to hang herself so to speak.

    She was highly sexual and flirty with him and he played up to it as if he was reciprocating – he then gave her a little more information and kind of followed one of her cues re Travis being a big guy.. and voila the ninja story was born.

    Once she started on it he let her run with it. Only after she had finished weaving her new pack of lies did he call her out on it saying something to the effect “Jodi I’m not buying it I can see how you got that hand injury it was from when you stabbed him I’ve seen those injuries before I’ve been doing this a long time now.”

    It wouldn’t work on the stand because all you’d get was lies from her but interview technique it works very well. Plus at that time she had no idea he was leading her to exactly where she wanted to ooo would she hate him for that!

    Now she is wary of every question prosecution asks because she knows there’s a reason she just doesn’t know what it is, she can’t abstract reason fast enough to see the consequences of answering.

    So its advantageous to keep her hopping and constantly tripping herself up or giving you new lies to work with. You have to trip her up because now she in full on evasive obfuscation mode.

  649. Laine
    03/20/2013 at 5:41 am

    Gigi and Syntara – First thank you for you thoughts. I really like your reasoning Syntara. The message you keep bringing us back to, is one we really all have to remember…She is without doubt “not within the normal range” and so does NOT register and think in a way we can reason with in our own minds. We MUST think outside the box when we look at explanations from her and or try to reason any of her actions.

    The only thing I disagree with is the religous angle, I don’t believe it had anything to do with it. If JA knew about or had read about blood atonement it wasn’t till AFTER her arrest when it was syphoned back to Bryan Carr to have ready as another alternate ending. Had she have known about it before it would have been a far easier “story” to expand on than the ninja story when she was cornered by Flores because it would have been known to her. I believe the slit throat and the messy death was simply that he wouldn’t die! so she panicked and just kept stabbing slitting his throat should in her mind have been the final death but if his body continued to jerk as is suggested then the gunshot was to just make him stop.

    I have to tell you guys, you are not intruding in anyway! I love coming here and discussing theories with intelligent people, who don’t rant become abusive or have their own agenda! It’s a real pleasure.

  650. 03/20/2013 at 9:16 am

    Laine Until I read about the blood atonement thing I was stuck on “why slash his throat?” I could find absolutely no reason for it. It puzzled me, as does still the piece of duct tape. Bother were glaring unresolved issues.

    Then I read #276 from WhereIsShe which quotes a reference to it “Would you love that man or woman enough to shed their blood?”

    and putting that with the nature of the letters that sweet girl received

    #247 “You are a shameful whore. Your Heavenly Father must be deeply ashamed of the whoredoms you’ve committed with that insidious man….” She goes on to say, “You are driving away the Holy Ghost”, etc and threatens that the girl is risking her Salvation,

    Instantly the throat slit came into focus and perspective. It makes perfect sense on every level I can think of.

    Her pathology, motive, need to punish, rage, his love of for his religion which was a major obstacle to her. On every level it fits perfectly and answers so readily a question I had, up to that point, held unresolved in my head.

  651. Diane Alfieri
    03/22/2013 at 1:53 am

    I absolutely love how Mr martinez ripped the shrink!!!!! Is the defense serious with this man! !! Do they realize that Juan is a pit bull! !! And the jury with their questions to the shrink!!!! I love it!!!! I have been following this everyday. …I truly believe there will be justice for Travis! !! Juan martinez is definitely going to get Jodi! !!!!!!!! He is an amazing prosecutor and I love his style! !!!

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