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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – Day Forty-Two Discussion Continues, 2

04/06/2013

Continue the discussion here, please!

Thx,

donchais

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  1. donchais
    04/06/2013 at 4:23 pm

    Donations to assist the family expenses:

    Paypal addy is justice4travisalexander@gmail.com

    Snail mail:

    Samantha Alexander
    PO Box 130023
    Carlsbad, CA 92013

    • Laine
      04/07/2013 at 6:31 pm

      Donating every month, hoping it helps et them through.

    • Laine
      04/07/2013 at 6:32 pm

      Get not et! fingers moving to damn quick again!

    • Moon
      04/07/2013 at 8:36 pm

      hi donchais ((hugs))) and ty again. snail mail ?… is someone picking up this mail since they are all in az, and are they able to receive funds in az that goes to the POB? ty 🙂

    • Moon
      04/07/2013 at 8:47 pm

      well duh ss for the dumbass ?. i realize they are able to receive the funds in az, i guess what i meant was is it pretty timely receipt? tysm

  2. MMD
    04/06/2013 at 4:24 pm

    Syntara :

    MMD :
    . Plus ya know, I have to give JM equal if not more time

    pppfffffft
    plus fyi.. Wobo is Schaeffer’s

    Pffffffffffffffffffft back at ya darlin’ but thank you for letting me know that Schaeffer is the creator of WOBO 🙂

  3. MMD
    04/06/2013 at 4:26 pm

    in moderation – sorry donchais …………………..hanging my head in shame 😦

    • 04/06/2013 at 4:41 pm

      she ———————> ***MMD**** <—————————

      double nested! soo pfffffftttt

      (maybe that's gonna bring me bad karma.. just watch me do it soon! 😛 )

      • 04/06/2013 at 4:53 pm

        rut roh gonna get THE stance for that one I reckon!

      • MMD
        04/06/2013 at 5:16 pm

        well pffffffffffffffft yourself darlin’ and yep you got the stance. Plus donchais was in the process of closing down the last post so put on your foil hat, hip waders and get your barf bag cause bad karma is a comin your way 😉 So there missy!!!!!

      • 04/06/2013 at 5:18 pm

        ooooh the stance with an added “so there”! oooooooo {{{{shakin}}}}}

      • MMD
        04/06/2013 at 7:12 pm

        you’re getting the bad karma not me darlin’…………………….just sayin LOL

  4. donchais
    04/06/2013 at 4:37 pm

    MMD :

    in moderation – sorry donchais …………………..hanging my head in shame :-(

    No problem, you posted as I was closing the thread! {{{ }}}.

    # things put you in mod:
    1. ya never posted here before and don’t have an approved comment.
    2. nested comments…spammers usually use 2-3 ip’s or urls. Here is is set to mod if 2. if I increase that, a crapload of spam would come through that I would have to hunt through and delete.
    3. if in the middle of shutting a thread, you post, you get caught…just the process!
    4. extremely long posts…WP let’s the admin decide if its proper or spam!

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/06/2013 at 4:39 pm

      Wow….you have this down pat!! Good Work!!

  5. 04/06/2013 at 4:42 pm

    I feel many more migraines coming on as the trial slogs on to it’s inevitable conclusion

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 10:47 am

      Hey bubble – I wonder if she even comprehends that people don’t believe her?????

  6. Crystal Harris
    04/06/2013 at 4:43 pm

    My husband was sentenced to 52wk DV Anger Management class from the court in 1998 after he hit me the 1st time. I had filed for divorce, but once I learned he was attending these classes, which were totally new to me, I thought he would really get help and learn. We live in SoCal, so I’m sure the classes my husband attended we’re based on some form of what ALV invented. All I can say is that these classes did more harm than good. They literally taught him how to be a better abuser…not leave marks/evidence, be more manipulative, etc. After these classes he started telling me I was the abuser because I simply held him to expectations. Anything that questioned him in any way was “abusive”. It was so offensive given that he had actually physically abused me and literally terrorized me, he outweighed me by more than 100lbs, and then he would tell me I was abusing him. I was reminded of it in a huge way when I listened to ALV tell the court that Travis was the abuser, when he’s the one who is dead. I wonder how much damage these classes have done by giving men a “cover” of saying, “I’m taking (or took) Anger Management,” when the classes do no good. I’d like to see the proof.

    • Carmen
      04/06/2013 at 5:05 pm

      Crystal, I can sympathize with you as I went through a very similar situation. I filed for divorce after being abused, and he began harassing, stalking and threatening me. I filed for a restraining order and he violated 19 times. (A normal person may violate one or 2 times.) He then attempted 5 times to get a r/o against me stating I abused him and that I was in NH with my gun looking to shoot him. Needless to say they were all denied. After two years of frivolous lawsuits, divorce and his criminal case he was sent to prison for two and a half years. But he’s a free man now, and guess what? The a$&hole wants me back and he can’t understand why I want nothing to do with him. To be honest with you, I don’t know why he wants me back. I sent him to prison.

      • Marilyn N
        04/06/2013 at 5:29 pm

        Hope you are safe, Carmen!!!🌹

      • Douglme
        04/06/2013 at 5:51 pm

        Be careful! Revenge!

      • Family of Law
        04/06/2013 at 7:35 pm

        Welcome Carmen- the thread on the previous page closed before I saw your response to my post (but I think the other peeps here answered your question:). I’m so sorry that you’ve gone through all that you have, I hope you are taking every precaution to keep yourself safe.

      • Crystal Harris
        04/06/2013 at 8:09 pm

        Oh my gosh, Carmen! Keep that gun handy, just in case. I’m serious.

    • MMD
      04/06/2013 at 5:29 pm

      I’m so sorry that both you and Carmen had to go through abuse. Most of the people on this blog have undergone some sort of trauma during their lifetimes and that is why so many of us are so completely incensed with ALV! She is doing a tremendous disservice and is an insult to the true victims of domestic violence as Dr. Quack is to those who truly suffer from PTSD. It’s truly a disgrace and the damage she has done over her career to so many victims is truly heartbreaking.

      I think that is why the backlash against both “experts” and I use the term very loosely, has been so extreme. As far as I can tell, they are both unemployable now and retirement is their only option!!!

      • janeto
        04/06/2013 at 10:30 pm

        See MMD? I don’t even need to reply or post cuz we think sooooo much alike!!! I feel so close to my peeps on this site, but YOU & donchais, I feel a very close, different connection to for some reason! Hugs n {{{waves}}} to you both!!!

      • Anonymous
        04/07/2013 at 8:34 am

        To Crystal: I hope you are safe and that your ex is no longer terrorizing you.

        To MMD, Family if Law, Douglme, and Marilyn N: Thank you for your well wishes. I still have my gun and wouldn’t hesitate to use it to protect myself. I’m safe and if anyone on this blog is going through a domestic violence situation, I wish you all the best and pray that your situations will come to and end without anyone getting hurt.

  7. donchais
    04/06/2013 at 4:44 pm

    Ci Ci’s Circle :

    Wow….you have this down pat!! Good Work!!

    {{{ }}} You guys made me figure it out, lol!

  8. NancyB
    04/06/2013 at 4:54 pm

    The more that I have thought about Dr Shill footing the entire bill for Sondra Arias & twin and Travis – the VICTIM – has his family seriously struggling to afford the hotel & food bills I become really disgusted. His producers have visited JA in jail twice. WHY would anybody want to hear even one more word in the media from this proven liar?? Dr SHILL is a disgusting human being for doing this.

    • 04/06/2013 at 4:59 pm

      Yeah and I hope I don’t offend anyone here and forgive me if I do…… but to me it reflects badly on Oprah as well.

      • MMD
        04/06/2013 at 5:21 pm

        Well, I think Oprah lost quite a bit of her relevance a long, long time ago!!! imo

      • 04/06/2013 at 5:29 pm

        MMD, the point is she gave Dr Phil his show, … but she has enough money to right the ship and pay for the Alexander’s expenses.

      • MMD
        04/06/2013 at 5:36 pm

        She won’t right the ship though Syn because Dr. Shill has gotten more and more ownership in his show and she is basically just a production credit. I doubt if this case is even on her radar at all.

        She’s too busy trying to save her network and flying all her friends to Africa to showcase her girl’s school while saying “Everyone look at me and all the good I do!” There’s not much good she does unless there is a camera on her and is a tax rightoff/or provides ratings. imo ………….. sorry not an Oprah fan

      • NancyB
        04/06/2013 at 6:04 pm

        Agree with you 100% MMD.

      • WhereIsSHE
        04/06/2013 at 8:24 pm

        Please, Syn. No need to apologize to anyone here who is in touch with reality.
        Oprah –who pretends to care so much about victims of crime/abuse– repeatedly IGNORES reports of serious crimes, abuse and human rights violations by a CULT that some of her favorite celebrity pals belong to– YES, the CULT of SCIENTOLOGY.

        Unlike Australia which is fortunate enough to have LAW MAKERS/LEGISLATORS who actually CARE about the criminal acts, abuse and human right violations, HERE, in the U.S., everyone is so afraid of challenging ANYTHING to do with this “religion” that pretty much NOTHING gets done.
        Thanks, OPRAH. Thanks a lot. *eyeroll*

        She has been the #1 “good will ambassador” for the H-wood celebs who belong to this insidious, dangerous CULT.

        And Dr. Phil?? He is nothing but a shill for swill.
        (He “writes” entire BOOKS about how to achieve WEIGHT LOSS. Are you KIDDING me. Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh.)

        If he thinks his ratings will go up MORE if he has JA or someone from her family on his show, (vs. having someone from Travis’ family on his show), he will opt for JA/her family EVERY TIME.. (but trust me when I tell you that he would just LOVE to have family members on BOTH sides on his show, because THAT would make the ratings soar even higher. Yippeeeee for HIM. *vomit*)

      • 04/06/2013 at 8:42 pm

        Speaking of the “good” doctor, have any of you ever felt that he often sides with the wrong person? Maybe it’s just me, but I hardly watch him anymore because of this.

    • 04/06/2013 at 5:02 pm

      NancyB,

      thank you for the nice comments earlier. I’m such a techie dinosaur – I don’t have a Facebook page! My husband and I still own two Trinitron tvs. And I’m even new to blogging. But I do have an I-phone! Lol

      • MMD
        04/06/2013 at 5:20 pm

        Janine you are way ahead of me. I still have a flip phone, don’t use twitter or facebook and this is the first time I as well as a ton of other people on here have ever posted a comment, so you’re in really good company!!! 🙂

  9. donchais
    04/06/2013 at 4:59 pm

    NancyB :

    The more that I have thought about Dr Shill footing the entire bill for Sondra Arias & twin and Travis – the VICTIM – has his family seriously struggling to afford the hotel & food bills I become really disgusted. His producers have visited JA in jail twice. WHY would anybody want to hear even one more word in the media from this proven liar?? Dr SHILL is a disgusting human being for doing this.

    The positive out of this crap…we have stepped forward to keep the Alexander family whole. I thank each and everyone of you who have been able to send some financial support!!!

    • Carmen
      04/06/2013 at 5:13 pm

      I wish the hotel the Alexander’s are staying at would let them stay for free. Any way to find out the name of the hotel? Maybe we could start an email campaign to the hotel manager asking them to do this out the goodness of their hearts. Seriously, how much could it really cost the hotel to donate a couple rooms to the Alexanders for 4 nights a week?

      • NancyB
        04/06/2013 at 6:07 pm

        It’s 7 days a week as none of them are from Mesa, CA. And yes, Donchais, all of us will continue to make donations as it is very expensive for all of them. It still seems totally upside down to me.

    • 04/06/2013 at 8:04 pm

      It is my pleasure to be able to help this family.

  10. poorpaula@yahoo.com
    04/06/2013 at 5:10 pm

    Wow, here’s a quote worth screaming from the mountaintops or in the courthouse….

    “I have this theory that most of us could live with a serial killer for about a year and not even notice,” said Alyce LaViolette, an expert in domestic violence counseling. “The energy of new love is greater than the energy of fear.”
    This was one statement by LaViolette during “The Snow White-Wicked Witch Convergence Theory” Tuesday afternoon.

    the above refers to one of the 2010 speaking engagements that JM was asking her about. I read the cached version of below link, which seems to have been monkey’d with sometime beginning april 2013.
    http://www.daily49er.com/news/speaker-shares-insight-on-stopping-domestic-violence-1.2375056

    • 04/06/2013 at 5:26 pm

      Re “I have this theory that most of us could live with a serial killer for about a year and not even notice,”

      I say back to lala Toilette……

      “No wonder in 44 hours you didn’t realise you were talking to a potential one.”

      • MMD
        04/06/2013 at 5:37 pm

        Good one Syn!!! 🙂

      • 04/06/2013 at 6:00 pm

        Lol!

      • NancyB
        04/06/2013 at 6:08 pm

        Touche!!!

      • 04/06/2013 at 8:18 pm

        Exactly!

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/07/2013 at 2:16 pm

        LOL!

  11. Tami Marie Bancroft
    04/06/2013 at 5:14 pm

    Realizing who Jody is makes me sick to my stomach, her dairies are lies, she is making Travis look like the bad person, I would turn it completely around it is Jody, 100 percent. Juan will do his job.

  12. donchais
    04/06/2013 at 5:17 pm

    Carmen :

    I wish the hotel the Alexander’s are staying at would let them stay for free. Any way to find out the name of the hotel? Maybe we could start an email campaign to the hotel manager asking them to do this out the goodness of their hearts. Seriously, how much could it really cost the hotel to donate a couple rooms to the Alexanders for 4 nights a week?

    That has been a big thing being worked on. They are getting a discount rate, but the distance to the courthouse is another consideration. Options being looked at are a condo or house that may be viable…keep fingers crossed!

    • Carmen
      04/06/2013 at 5:27 pm

      Thanks Donchais. I wasn’t aware of that.

    • MMD
      04/06/2013 at 5:39 pm

      That’s really good to hear.

  13. Observer
    04/06/2013 at 5:25 pm

    Detective Flores testimony: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adPYz7YTjZg

    Jodi calls Flores twice when he is at crime scene and when he calls back she tells Flores:

    1- Travis didn’t own a gun. (No reason to lie then.)
    2- When asked who may have harmed him, she said someone slashed his tires around Christmas and she was worried about him. (Did she premeditate slashing his throat when she slashed his tires.)
    3- They had a sexual relationship but to keep it confidential because Travis was Mormon. (not “we” were Mormon.)
    4- Two people had to have killed Travis because he was almost 200 lbs. and worked out and one person couldn’t overpower him. (Did she shoot him in the head after stabbing him 27 times and slashing his throat to make it look like two people did it?)
    5- When asked why friends would think she killed Travis, she said maybe because she is the ex girlfriend and “we had lots of fights.” (Sounds more honored instead of surprised, insulted or worried.)
    6- Named a former roommate Thomas Brown as the killer because Travis had asked him to move when he found out he was a sexual predator. (Why would a sexual deviant be shocked about the behavior of another sexual deviant?)

    • 04/06/2013 at 5:50 pm

      4- Two people had to have killed Travis because he was almost 200 lbs. and worked out and one person couldn’t overpower him. (Did she shoot him in the head after stabbing him 27 times and slashing his throat to make it look like two people did it?

      Now there’s a thought, not effective but certainly possible. It was in her mind very early to point to two people. I think in at least one of the phone calls and the interview she mentioned it two or three times.

      Observer that fits quite well. However if that was her intent, she failed miserably. Maybe the idea came to her after the fact, knowing what had gone wrong and how the scene had played out she hit on the idea .. “I hope they think it was two people” which is why she tried to lead Det. Flores in that direction when she hit on he ninja story. Two ninjas, one with a gun one with a knife although even that kept changing.

      She would have been playing it over and over in her mind trying to hit on something that would make sense especially in the interview. At the very least it’s where the idea for the two people came from.

      We will never know if the stab wound to the heart would have been his only wound if he had collapsed in the shower.

    • 04/06/2013 at 5:57 pm

      Are those your thoughts and conclusions, Observer? Cuz you are brilliantly observant!

      • Anonymous
        04/07/2013 at 2:44 pm

        No sweetie, Jodi stabbed him in the shower, his last picture of fear, then she dropped the camera and began running. He got out of the shower and she already had, close by, the gun so she turned around and shot him but the shot didn’t kill him. He kept coming, dazed, bloody so she stopped came back to stab him in the heart and he fell, then she came down on his back and slit his throat by holding his head up and ran the knife from ear to ear , head nearly decapitated. Then Snow White took the time to clean up most of the mess, change clothes leaving her skirt behind in the washing machine with the knife and quietly walked out to her car and the rest was also planned. The old woman abuse specialist is building her case around Jodi based on Jodi’s lies and we all know she’s best at that. Even her own parents hate her. They caught her at 8 years growing pot in her bedroom closet and had her first anal sex at 12. How’s that for a sweet lovable bitch who butchered Travis because he was tired of her hanging on, he wanted a life, had plans then had a funeral. God Help His Family. Dee

      • Observer
        04/07/2013 at 8:52 pm

        Sorry Anonymous, but your scenario doesn’t fit the evidence and testimony.

        1-The last picture of Travis alive shows him seated on the floor of the shower and another picture taken 60 seconds later shows him lying on the floor bleeding and another picture another 60 seconds later shows Jodi dragging the body with his throat cut back to the bathroom so his throat was slashed on the rug where he slid down the wall and bled out.
        2- A crime scene photo shows Travis’s blood splattered in the bathroom sink.
        3- Dr. Horn, medical examiner said the stab wound to the heart would have nicked his lungs and caused him to cough up blood in the sink and the stab wounds to his hands were defensive wounds which show she continued to stab him in the chest and belly in the shower as he tried to grab the knife.
        4- Crime scene photos show Travis was stabbed nine times in the back between the shoulder blades, neck, head and leg, which shows she continued to stab Travis as he crawled or hobbled bent over to the sink.
        5- Dr. Horn testified that he died shortly after she slashed his throat and that he was already dead when he was shot in the head while he lie on the floor near the sink.
        6- The autopsy showing no bleeding of the brain or stippling on the skin, the trajectory shows he was shot from above while Jodi stood over him and the bullet casing lying on top of blood near the sink proves he was shot AFTER he was stabbed 29 times and his throat slit.
        7- Jodi’s mother said Jodi was growing pot on the roof when she was in the eighth grade.
        8- I recall no testimony that Jodi had anal sex at 12.

    • Observer
      04/06/2013 at 6:21 pm

      Should be “after” slashing his throat. Yes, Janine, the words in parenthesis are my thoughts and conclusions.

    • Crystal Harris
      04/06/2013 at 8:16 pm

      I was reading a bunch of tweets yesterday from Chris Stark and several of them referenced Jodi’s journal where she wrote “Travis wants to buy a gun”. Um, if he already owned one, he wouldn’t have a desire to buy one, right?

      • 04/06/2013 at 9:43 pm

        the truth under this is likely during one of the many times she’s trying to gaslight him, he’s so exasperated he’s spat out “I can’t stand this I want to get a gun and shoot myself”

        These types twist Everything as I’m sure you well know Crystal.

      • kristin
        04/07/2013 at 6:30 pm

        My husband and I own multiple guns. We say “We want to get another gun” or mention the specific kind.

    • Family of Law
      04/06/2013 at 8:22 pm

      Very good thoughts Observer- Chilling when you point out that she appeared more honored, than surprised that his friends immediately thought of her, the moment they learned Travis had been murdered ….

      JA IS cunning and intelligent (not in the rocket scientist sense, in the sociopathic, manipulative sense) she has had YEARS of being a pathological liar, to perfect her craft. People that live their lives to always get what they want, by using people, lying and manipulating- live by their wiles, constantly taking the temperature of their situation- they develop skills in reading people, then saying, and or doing things that ultimately satisfy their endgame. This is evident all throughout- everything from the endless lies and alternate reality in her journal pages, to how she dealt with prior boyfriends, parents, grandparents, co-workeres, etc- and so easily observed during her interrogation with Flores she is flirting, suggesting, baby- talking, denying and questioning- all playing her fiction for facts in order to formulate her “spin”, and win.

      Her saying (whining) “Travis didn’t have a gun”- no, she had no reason at the time, to lie- but after switching to her 3rd story, she intimated that she didn’t want to admit that he did have a gun because she was protecting Travis- because it was the gun Travis was given by his mother, supposedly the very gun Travis’s father had once assaulted his mother with.
      She suggested “2” people MUST have killed Travis, because she did plan to make it look as though it couldn’t possibly have been little ‘ol JA, tiny, quiet, sweet, frail JA- so therefore, she OVER KILLED him with a knife, AND a gun, all to manipulate the crime scene. (She grossly underestimated the detectives and forensics capabilities).

      JA was was no more a Mormon, than she was a witch, when she lived with Matt M, a practicing Wiccan. JA, IS a predator. She conforms, plays, reads, studies, plots, manipulates and lies. How many times has she played the “suicide card”? She’s been threatening it since HS.. Why? Because it manipulates people to respond.

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/07/2013 at 12:08 am

        She’d claim to be an Eskimo if she thought she could get anything out of it!

    • Lisa M
      04/06/2013 at 10:19 pm

      Wow, those are great points Observer! I didn’t know she said she was worried abut him re: the tire-slashing incident. It’s unbelievable how many examples there are of her deviousness. It just never ends!

  14. donchais
    04/06/2013 at 5:36 pm

    Syntara :

    MMD, the point is she gave Dr Phil his show, … but she has enough money to right the ship and pay for the Alexander’s expenses.

    What? And be as honorable as her spawn? Nah, never gonna happen!

    • 04/06/2013 at 5:51 pm

      Was wishing Donchais, was wishing. 😦

  15. Carmen
    04/06/2013 at 5:38 pm

    Just saw this on twitter. Someone started an Alice lavatory facebook support page. Here’s the link.

    http://m.facebook.com/pages/Alyce-Laviolette-A-Voice-For-The-Voiceless/445679895518791?id=445679895518791&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2F0gyJmoOGYX&_rdr

    Here is the tweet from @teri423:

    @Teri423: Just posted our link on Alyce support Page, LMAO! Go over and look quick before it gets deleted! https://t.co/0gyJmoOGYX
    #JodiArias

  16. Regina
    04/06/2013 at 5:41 pm

    Donchais, is any other way we can help the Alexanders? It really upset me to know what dr. Phil is doing. Is not enough to put up with these aholes called expert attacking Travis. I fell sick with all these craziness. I am glad that we have you to synopse the BS só we don’t have to watch unless El grande Martinez is on. I donated money but I fel the necedade to do more.

  17. donchais
    04/06/2013 at 5:46 pm

    Regina :

    Donchais, is any other way we can help the Alexanders? It really upset me to know what dr. Phil is doing. Is not enough to put up with these aholes called expert attacking Travis. I fell sick with all these craziness. I am glad that we have you to synopse the BS só we don’t have to watch unless El grande Martinez is on. I donated money but I fel the necedade to do more.

    As soon as i know more, any couple of extra bucks you can afford to send…will post more when a plan is in the works! Thanks for supporting Travis and his family!!!! They know and appreciate all the love and support you guys show!{{{ }}}

  18. donchais
    04/06/2013 at 6:08 pm

    Ya know our good friend katiecoolady…Lady in Court? She posted this on ALV site a few moments ago…you go katie…luv ya!

    Kathy Monkman @Carol Tate-Cannon, I have walked through 2 death penalty trials for the murder of my sister Cindy Monkman. I have never seen the likes of slandering a victim’s name in the name of a “stellar defense”. This was Jodi Arias THIRD set of fairy tales of what occured that fateful (for Travis) day. She stuck with her “intruder ” theory for YEARS. This is not a “stellar defense” but a travesty. Jodi Arias could have been adequately defended without this abuse of his memory and his family. Including Ms. LaViolette choosing to approach one of his sisters, in the middle of her testimony claiming their brother is the worst abuser she’s ever seen, believing the claims of a pathological liar, while in the courtroom during the most traumatic days of her life and speak to her unsolicited. These are the kinds of real abuses family members endure through the process of convicting murderers. And Alyce LaViolette commited one herself, right in the courtroom, which by the way is illegal (I know because this happened to me on my own front door for which I got an attorney and legislation was changed to disallow this kind of victim abuse). What I don’t understand is why she was willing to throw what appears to be a well respected career and legacy under the bus at this stage of her life. I don’t sense it was all for money. I don’t think she’s stupid and believes Jodi Arias acted in “self defense” (9 stab wounds alone to the BACK?). I don’t understand why she would sabotage her own good name in this way. I would ask her after all is said and done and Jodi Arias is convicted and sentence, was this all worth it?

    • NancyB
      04/06/2013 at 6:13 pm

      A wonderful reality check of the truth for ALV. Katiecool is awesome!

    • 04/06/2013 at 6:35 pm

      What they are doing to desecrate that young man’s name and then shamelessly put his already heartbroken family through every sordid detail of their sex life (when Jo the Ho acknowledged that she was more deviant than TA) truly is a “Travisty.” Despicable really. I truly believe JA corrupted him big time and he became addicted to the sex.

    • MMD
      04/06/2013 at 7:31 pm

      Atta go Lady in Court!!! You have lived this so you know of what you speak!!!! All true victims of domestic violence support and applaud you as well as the average person who watches the hypocrisy that this woman spews!!

    • Family of Law
      04/06/2013 at 8:33 pm

      Wow! So beautifully said! Well done, Lady in Court!!!!

  19. David Glazer
    04/06/2013 at 7:17 pm

    I have a petition from change.com to have the city of Long Beach drop Alyce LaViolette as a speaker. If you email me at: Davidtheflyguy@ymail.com I will forward to you…then maybe you can post it here.

  20. donchais
    04/06/2013 at 7:25 pm

    Just heard from katiecoolady, Lady in Court and pass this on…
    Know you’re busy, but have a question. My folks at Calls For Justice are sending what dollars of support they can, but are now asking if there is something else they can do?

    Any thoughts?

    Luv ya!

    donchais
    Thank you SO MUCH sweetie. I think thats good right now. It’s just about basics for them right now “gas/food/lodging”.

    Money and like gift cards for gas or basics are what they need! Thank you!! Xoxo

    Again folks, 2., 5 10…whatever, ..every bit helps them through this ordeal

    Donations to the family

    Paypal addy is justice4travisalexander@gmail.com

    Snail mail:

    Samantha Alexander
    PO Box 130023
    Carlsbad, CA 92013

    • 04/06/2013 at 9:14 pm

      with the pay[al link being just an email addy how does it work please?

      • 04/06/2013 at 9:15 pm

        grrrr paypal

      • NancyB
        04/06/2013 at 9:39 pm

        I answered you Synara but it ‘s downstairs a bit.

  21. MMD
    04/06/2013 at 7:40 pm

    I would love to know exactly how much ALV charges to put on her seminars and exactly how much it costs to attend? Add that to the sum coming from the coffers of the AZ taxpayers plus her private practice – all gonna be gone once this trial is over. We all know as sure as hell that she’s not gonna sell very many, if any, of her new updated book and for that I am pleased!!! Her testimony abused so many in that courtroom as well as an incalculable number around the world directly and indirectly!!!

  22. Moon
    04/06/2013 at 8:48 pm

    Hello again wonderful people! have to get busy catching up now, but just wanted to say how thankful I am for this site and for ev1’s insight and kindness! I watched the CA trial in isolation! I remember crying for days after that ridiculas verdict. I have never joined a blogging site, didn’t even think to look for one then. I can’t remember how I stumbled on this site but TG I did! You all have brought much comfort and provided many laughs which is so helpful to get thru this brutal evil case.

    I did manage to find this today, “hodi’s never seen before testimony” not sure if any of you have seen it, but I found it great!

    • Marilyn N
      04/06/2013 at 8:58 pm

      Have seen it, Moon, but is a good one to watch again! TY!

    • 04/06/2013 at 9:07 pm

      lol! love how it highlights how ridiculously shallow, infantile and whiney she is… a spoiled brat!!!

    • Lisa M
      04/06/2013 at 9:34 pm

      Very funny. Thanks for sharing. What was she saying at the end, “my pain?

      • GATEWAY
        04/06/2013 at 9:59 pm

        My bangs !!!!!

      • 04/06/2013 at 10:13 pm

        lol @ my bangs ….. but yah pretty sure it’s my pain.

        ie no regrets for Travis either way

  23. Marilyn N
    04/06/2013 at 8:57 pm

    Apparently I’m not the only one who finds JA’s tongue & lip manipulations extremely
    irritating…….http://youtu.be/zeFCkWZcvcM

    • Moon
      04/06/2013 at 9:08 pm

      another gr8 one! She is so annoying and I swear she gets fuglier by the day.

    • 04/06/2013 at 9:13 pm

      oooooh I hate that reptilian look!!!! makes my skin CRAWL arrrrrrrghhhhhhh so glad someone else gets it!!!!

      • GATEWAY
        04/06/2013 at 10:14 pm

        Syn, does she look like a praying mantis or what??? All she needs to do is bring her arms up to her chest and curl her hands. This morning on HLN – ugh – they were talking about her parents interviews. They said that both parents seemed to distance themselves from her when they were talking about her and neither ever mentioned her name. They said they knew she needed help, that was why they had her move back to Yreka, although they never sought it. I thought it was very telling when ja’s mom asked her if she had anything to do with TA’s death. The dad reminded me of Cheech & Chong the way he talks.

  24. Anonymous
    04/06/2013 at 9:20 pm

    I was watching on you tube day 21 part 2/3 testimony of cross examination of Jodi arias.
    juan was going over text messages between jody and travis on the day of the pedophile charge. these are the texts where they are talking about exchanging cars. He then shows her texts from the next day. in that text travis is asking jody if she received the deposit and she says yes. juan asks about it and confirms she borrowed money. That text is on January 22
    the day she claims he kicked her in the hand. alyce said that jody told her the argument that led to the kicking incident was travis wanted to borrow $700. If you look at that text jody borrowed money from travis on that day it makes no sense her story. juan did not confront
    jody about this on the stand I hope he confronts alyce. Watch video.

    • 04/07/2013 at 7:44 am

      Great catch Anonymous!

    • Priscilla
      04/07/2013 at 10:45 am

      I have been coming to this site since the beginning of the trial and I love all of you !!!! I have wanted to post comments but have never had the nerve but this post from Anonymous made me could confront decide to finally join in. I just hope and pray that the reason Juan asked Jodi to verify about the loan from Travis on that day was that he knew what she had told this “expert” was exactly the opposite of what she was saying under oath on the stand and would blow apart the whole reason for the so called kicking incident. Can you just imagine how unbelievably fantastic it would be to have Juan confront Alyce with this HUGE inconsistency and ask her the question – Who doyou believe Jodi was lying to ma’am – you or this court of law ?? At the same time time he could confront her about her so-called “mistake” about assuming that Jodi saw Travis looking at a picture of a boy on the computer. He could use the same line he used with the other quack expert when he made the “mistake” about her being tied up by her feet. I mean, when you are getting paid that much money you should not be writing down wrong information. Thanks again for all the hard work that you are all doing. I have never gotten over the injustice of the CA trial and just hope this one ends with justice for Travis and his family.

    • Marilyn N
      04/07/2013 at 11:32 am

      anon – do you know about how far thru the video this was read:re the deposit? Thanks!!

      • Priscilla
        04/07/2013 at 9:57 pm

        Marilyn, if you go to the Day 21, part 2 of 3 (the one without the sidebars) you will find this beginning at the 1:11:50 mark.

    • 04/07/2013 at 4:12 pm

      nice pick up! i’ve long suspected Jodi reverses Travis for Jodi a lot of the time . Doofus (male Jodi) used to do this all the time when I would do or say something days or months later he’d retell it but putting himself in as me and when to his advantage me to him. Gaslighting does your head in when on the receiving end of it.

  25. Lisa M
    04/06/2013 at 9:28 pm

    “Please note: I use the word “association” because I don’t think they ever HAD a relationship. That only existed in WOBO’s sick, twisted, demented mind.”

    I couldn’t agree more. Like I’ve said before, I absolutely do not think they had a relationship. Only in Jodi’s mind. I think some of it may be real, like maybe they dated for a few months. But you can clearly tell that she was way more into him than he was into her– you can hear it on the phone sex tape– but she wouldn’t let go. Maybe the prosecution should play tit for tat and bring in that guy who wrote “He’s Just Not That Into You” and have him offer his expert testimony!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/07/2013 at 3:59 am

      LOVE this last sentence!

    • 04/07/2013 at 7:49 am

      Lol! Wouldn’t that wipe that snarky swarmy (is that a word?!) smirk off her smug mug?!

  26. NancyB
    04/06/2013 at 9:38 pm

    Syntara :
    grrrr paypal

    Go to Paypal and in the pulldown menu select transfer then a new page will pop up and put in your email ddy and the one for Travis.

  27. Moon
    04/06/2013 at 9:44 pm

    lolol just read on the ariassupportsite that they all think la toilette really “gave it to Juan” it says “She served Martinez his ass on a plate, and you can be sure it’ll not be the last time she does that.” that is hysterical! i tried reading on this site once b4, after someone said Dr. Dick posted on that site (which sould be brought to the judge’s attn). i can’t even get thru one scroll down on this site. It sickens me.

    • 04/06/2013 at 9:47 pm

      Moon dahling please stop putting yourself through cruel and unusual punishment. Reading posts over there will make your eyes bleed. Please avoid it at all costs for health and sanity reasons 😉

      • Moon
        04/06/2013 at 9:57 pm

        i know i know! i didn’t get any further than that, then the bleeding of the eyes started. won’t try THAT again!

      • 04/06/2013 at 10:00 pm

        good girl!

      • Anonymous
        04/07/2013 at 10:54 pm

        I got over to that site by accident, I put in Matt McCartney’s name and that’s what came up, which I thought was very strange. I had just wanted to find info on whether or not he was going to be called to testify and by which side. Ultimately, I found this site, which is the site where I want to be. Thanks everyone – you are all great!

  28. 04/06/2013 at 9:44 pm

    ah ok thanks 🙂

    • 04/06/2013 at 9:45 pm

      oops that was to NancyB

  29. Lisa M
    04/06/2013 at 9:49 pm

    Does anyone know what religion Jodi was brought up in if any? I just think one of the more ridiculous aspects of this defense is the way they’re relying on the tenets of Mormonism to not only destroy Travis’ reputation but to make Jodi seem like an innocent woman being taken advantage of by her big bad religious advisor! She didn’t grow up as a Mormon so none of the tenets of Mormonism would really matter to her, and we’ve seen they obviously didn’t. We’ve seen evidence that she never became a devout Mormon. I know the defenses job is to confuse things and they seem to have succeeded in muddying the waters by using Mormonism the way they have. Their only true motive in doing so was to tarnish Travis’ reputation.

    • 04/06/2013 at 9:59 pm

      she’s a malignant narcissist- goes with her psychopathy – she would take on any religion her prey was interested in and use it to her advantage.

      Jodi has one allegiance above all others, that is the one to herself.

      This is a good list of the tools in the malignant narcissists arsenal if you are interested.

      http://masksofsanity.blogspot.com.au/2009/12/20-traits-of-malignant-narcissism.html

      • Moon
        04/06/2013 at 10:34 pm

        thank you! i have saved so much valuable data for re-reading!

    • Marilyn N
      04/06/2013 at 10:13 pm

      The defense did “their” job by trying to show that it was Jodi who was trying so hard to steer Travis on the right path!! ya, right!! hahahahahaha hahaha hahahahaha ha

      Hummmmm – I recall hearing her on that sex tape saying, “if what we’re doing is so wrong,
      I don’t wanna be right”.

      • Lisa M
        04/06/2013 at 10:38 pm

        I actually thought Jodi came off as really pathetic during the sex tape. She seemed so desperate to please him but not as an abuse victim as the defense says. Rather as someone who clearly is more into him than he was into her. It must have just been too much for her narcissism when the truth became apparent to her. And like someone else on this post wisely said, everything in this proves obsession, not abuse. I hope JM can use that journal entry where she talked about duct tape and how she wants to just cut him out of her life. I forget the details but it was very telling. She needed to kill him because she couldn’t control the feelings she had without him being gone.

  30. Moon
    04/06/2013 at 10:21 pm

    perhaps Hodi was creating all her lie books in all of her unaccounted for time.

    • 04/06/2013 at 10:38 pm

      I think that’s exactly what she was doing. Why offer them to Det. Flores? The skank was busy busy busy writing faux journals from the time of the slaughter until the time of the arrest, in my humble opinion.

  31. Lisa M
    04/06/2013 at 10:22 pm

    GATEWAY on 04/06/2013 at 9:59 pm
    My bangs !!!!!

    Oh! LOL!!

    • GATEWAY
      04/06/2013 at 10:33 pm

      I’d give a Kings ransome to see them give her a BUZZ CUT!!!!! I’m tired of seeing her using it for a curtain & then that “Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm” disaster yesterday was hideous!

      • Lisa M
        04/06/2013 at 11:19 pm

        Yes that was not a successful look on her but the defense must be trying to make her look different from Wilmott since there’s been so much commentary on how twinsy they look. HLN made a little video about it and we know the defense watches HLN

  32. Observer
    04/06/2013 at 10:38 pm

    While Travis is four wheeling shooting his friend’s shotgun, dating Lisa and Mimi, going to church functions and spending time with his friends, Jodi is obsessing over Travis as evidenced by her journal fantasies:

    “I love him, I could not possibly love him not, though I wish I could stop, turn it off like a light switch, duct tape it down so it can`t turn back on. Or better yet, just cut the circuit, cut off its life source.”

    “Well, speaking of Travis, he frustrates me and thrills me. I love, love, love him. And he sings to me, goes out of his way for me, displays massive amounts of unconditional love for me in countless ways. I`m almost haunted by it.”

    “But it still remains that I can`t marry him. I can`t quite put my finger on it, but something is just off with that boy. We`ve all got head problems. That`s for sure. But there are certain things that will never sit right with me about him. For example, he always makes that ridiculous joke families can be forever, why do you want to spend so much time with them now? I abhor that. I want a family man, a man who takes family seriously. I know he jokes, but that drives me crazy and it`s a big turnoff.”

    “But he has told me time and again that if he could marry me, it would mean he`d won the wife lottery. Smiley face. That`s sweet, actually. I know I`ll be an excellent wife. In fact, I really want that. I want to be married. I want to have a companion.”

    “Travis is awesome, no doubt, but there`s just something that is off. I only know what the spirit whispers to me, and that is that he`s not the one. Frowny face. I`ve spent over a year of my life cultivating a relationship with him. I certainly wasn`t thrilled. No, I was devastated when I discovered that he wasn`t being faithful to me.”

    “I just don`t get why men cheat — Bobby, Matt, Travis. Darrell was always faithful, to my knowledge. He said once that he’s never had a problem with monogamy. And I believe him because I never had that awful intuitive feeling that his eyes, heart and hands were wandering the way I did with those other three. It is a subtle feeling, but it doesn`t go away. It nags. It pulls at the solar plexus until it is justified through the discovery of ugly hidden truths.”

    “Infidelity is so awful and causes ridiculous pain. Each time, the transgressor seemed grieved that I got hurt. Actually, not true. Travis seemed mildly remorseful, but that was it.”

    Then she writes this after she stabs him 28 times, slits his throat, stomps on his feet and shoots him in the head:

    “…Travis is dead. What happened? Travis, what is this?”

    “I wanted so badly to call Travis, but knowing he wouldn’t answer was too much to bear. And knowing he wasn’t calling me anytime soon was just killing me.”
    . “I sent 20 white Irises to Travis’s grandmother. Travis always told me that he liked the name Iris for a girl. He liked Ivan for a boy’s name. If I ever have a son, I’ll name him Alexander.”
    “Thank you Travis for having the courage to share the Gospel with me. You’ve had one of the greatest impacts on my life, and have forever altered its course for the better. I love you, my friend, and always will.”

    • Lisa M
      04/06/2013 at 10:41 pm

      I love him, I could not possibly love him not, though I wish I could stop, turn it off like a light switch, duct tape it down so it can`t turn back on. Or better yet, just cut the circuit, cut off its life source.”

      Thank you Observer! That’s the section of her journal I was trying to remember.

      • Lisa M
        04/06/2013 at 11:04 pm

        When she says “I could not possibly love him not” its like she’s trying to be poetic. There’s another entry when she says something like “I care not” something like that, where she uses “not” again as if she’s trying to sound like Juliet talking about her Romeo.

    • Lisa M
      04/06/2013 at 10:44 pm

      Sick sick sick! One of the hardest things about this whole situation is that as you indicate above, Travis had a full life which he was enjoying and this damaged sick girl had to come along and take it away. She had no life, he did.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/07/2013 at 4:05 am

        There’s another entry when she says something like “I care not” something like that, where she uses “not” again as if she’s trying to sound like Juliet talking about her Romeo.

        Hahahahahaha Very good. The “poet” a la Juliet.

    • Lisa M
      04/06/2013 at 11:01 pm

      By the way have you heard the girl who reads the journal entries on HLN? She’s so funny. She sounds so immature and high schoolish when she reads them.

  33. 04/06/2013 at 10:43 pm

    GATEWAY :
    Syn, does she look like a praying mantis or what??? .

    oooooo what a thought. In captivity a female preying mantis will bite the head or legs off the male after sex, feeding off his demise to her he’s sex and a meal ticket.

    1. Thinking Jodi feels captured by her need to control Travis
    2. Travis’ comment on feeling like a dildo with a heartbeat
    3. Her disposal of him after rejection, to feed her need of ultimate control.

    • 04/06/2013 at 10:49 pm

      maybe feed her need to possess is a better way to put 3.

    • Moon
      04/06/2013 at 10:52 pm

      will bite the head or legs off………..she definately fulfulls that role. i bet she makes the devil proud!
      good always prevails hodi. can’t wait till you feel the wrath. Vengence is mine, sayeth the Lord.

  34. Moon
    04/06/2013 at 10:48 pm

    does anyone know when the engagement ring was stolen from T’s house? She needed money. i wonder if there is a big deposit in her acct around the time he discovered she stole it.

    • Lisa M
      04/06/2013 at 10:57 pm

      There was an engagement ring stolen from his house? I never heard that. Whose was it?

      • Moon
        04/06/2013 at 11:18 pm

        from what i’ve heard, it was for a previous woman he was with. i don’t know if he ever gave it to said woman or if he did and she said no. like i said all i had heard was that he had one, and complained that he thought she stole it.

      • 04/06/2013 at 11:28 pm

        ditto Moon.. far as I know too. Think I remember whose but not sure enough to post it in I prefer to be sure about something first or as close to it as I can be.

        No doubt someone else knows.

  35. Lisa M
    04/06/2013 at 10:55 pm

    I don’t know the answer to this because I’ve never killed anyone but it seems to me that if you killed the person you supposedly loved and you weren’t a narcissist/psychopath you’d still be grief stricken and even if you were obsessed, there would be a hole inside you that would be unbearable. If you are obsessed/in love with someone and lose that person, it is a horrible feeling. You feel out of balance, like you’ve lost your bearings, you feel a loss of identity, of self. It’s very painful, but that feeling wouldnt go away if the person were dead. So she can’t have been only a scorned/rejected lover, because then she wouldn’t have been able to speak about him and giggle at the memories or speak glowingly about him and then smile for the cameras without a care in the world. She had to be a narcissist who was using him for sex, and had dreams of marrying him for the prestige, for the money and standard of living she thought they’d have. There was an element of obsession in a sense of ownership, not in a sense of being in love.

    • Moon
      04/06/2013 at 11:12 pm

      remember.. she is a praying mantis she is a toy of satans

      • Lisa M
        04/06/2013 at 11:16 pm

        Perhaps! But her emotions are there and then they’re not there. I know Syntara would say she’s a narcissist/psychopath so here’s my question for her: do narcissists/psychopaths have some normal emotions?

    • Lisa M
      04/06/2013 at 11:13 pm

      Of course she supposedly cried for days after she “found out he was dead” according to her mother. Idk. I give up! I guess she’s just completely nuts and I’ll leave it at that!

  36. Moon
    04/06/2013 at 11:10 pm

    another ? i have, the writings of hodi **ooo wo bo oo wo bo** during the trial, the sharing of notes with willnot… what happens to those when trial is over? is this something the prosecution can obtain copies of, if any further legal action occurs? does hodi get to keep them? do they go with her to her jailcell each nite? i am rewatching different snipets of the trial and it annoys the hell out of me how those two write notes back n forth like they are in junior high. now THOSE are the writings of hers that should be seen and heard!

    • Crystal Harris
      04/06/2013 at 11:23 pm

      I don’t know for sure, but I’d think those notes would fall under attorney/client privelage in some way.

  37. Observer
    04/06/2013 at 11:23 pm

    The journal entries are typical of how a stalker thinks. Jodi wants Travis and she is going to have him no matter what he wants or how he feels and when he writes he hates her, she is evil and a sociopath, worse than Hitler, never loved him, only saw him as a dildo with a heartbeat, she ignores him and responds, “Love you, hon. Be happy. Smiley face.”

    Then she steals her grandfather’s gun, calls Ryan Byrnes and tells him she’s coming to Utah, packs a couple of knives in her suitcase, rents a car, removesd the front license plate, borrows two gas cans, buys a third, fills up the tank and gas cans in California, turns off her cell phone, and drives 1,000 miles to kill her ex boyfriend before he has a chance to go to Cancun with his new girlfriend.

    After stabbing Travis to death and shooting him in the head, she cleans up the bloody crime scene best she can, deletes pictures from the camera, puts the camera through a wash cycle, ditches the murder weapons and her blood soaked clothes, turns her phone back on, calls Ryan, Matt and Travis leaving a phone message to throw the cops off her trail and drives to Utah to try to mingle with Travis’s PPL friends and seduce Ryan so she has an alibi when Travis’s body is found. She keeps all the receipts and by golly there is no receipt or surveillance camera to show she was ever in Arizona.

    She calls the cops as soon as she finds out Travis is dead to find out what they know and to lead them away from her, saying it would take two people to overpower him because he weighed almost 200 lbs. Little ole me would never hurt Travis. If I killed someone I’d wear gloves and use a gun, not a knife. I have lots of ex boyfriends and they are all alive.

    Little Miss Smarty pants thinks she has gotten away with it. When she finds out she is close to being arrested she buys a 9mm gun, packs two knives and her mother rents her another car. She’s about to go on the run, when the cops swoop in and arrest her,

    The only question she asks when she is arrested is: “Can I put on my makeup before my mug shot is taken?”

    • Observer
      04/06/2013 at 11:26 pm

      Should read: She calls the cops as soon as she finds out Travis’s body is found.

      • Moon
        04/06/2013 at 11:42 pm

        hiii observer! do you know if it’s true that they found matching Bullets at her parent’s home? I don’t recall that being brought up in the trial??? ty 🙂

      • Observer
        04/06/2013 at 11:47 pm

        Moon, I know that they found 35 calliber bullets at her parent’s home but don’t know if they match the bullet in Travis’s head.

      • Observer
        04/06/2013 at 11:48 pm

        25 calliber

      • Crystal Harris
        04/06/2013 at 11:58 pm

        The ammo found at the grandparent’s home is indeed the same caliber (.25) AS WELL AS the same manufacturer!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/07/2013 at 4:10 am

      Ok I will say it again. I love reading Observer’s comments. And the “fuller story” of her background and history only makes her writing more memorable.

      • Observer
        04/07/2013 at 7:22 am

        Thank you. How wonderful to hear that. When there are so msny great comments, its hard to tell if anyone even reads mine.

  38. 04/06/2013 at 11:24 pm

    Lisa M :
    Perhaps! But her emotions are there and then they’re not there. I know Syntara would say she’s a narcissist/psychopath so here’s my question for her: do narcissists/psychopaths have some normal emotions?

    Psychopath narcissist is a redundant term All psychopaths are narcissists but not all narcissists are psychopaths.

    They do not have empathy or a conscience. Try to imagine what emotions you would have without a conscience or empathy. Then you will have your answer Lisa M.

    • Lisa M
      04/06/2013 at 11:34 pm

      Syntara, I have actually been a better student than you think! I remembered what you said before that not all narcissists are psychopaths so I was tring to indicate a kind of either/or with my slash. I know you’ve dismissed the suggestion that she was borderline personality but when you hear what her mother said about her friends saying she was freaking out and her extreme emotion changes, do you think there might be some possibility at least of some emotional disorder?

      • 04/06/2013 at 11:44 pm

        No… I don’t believe it’s necessarily a sign of BPD. Psychopaths are notorious Jeckyl and Hydes – without knowing the reasons for her fluctuations I’d put it down to that.

        Borderlines are too emotional. She is not too emotional she lacks emotion unless something affects her. Unless she doesn’t get her way.

        The reason I reiterated the psychopath narcissist link is the lack of empathy and conscience is only relevant to psychopathy. It’s really the crucial distinction that, and repeated acting out throughout life – but that is always there if you look hard enough if the first two are obvious.

    • Lisa M
      04/06/2013 at 11:36 pm

      That’s hard to do for a person with both empathy and a conscience but I guess all your emotions would have to do with yourself. They’d probably be intensified feelings of being wronged, self-pity, etc.

      • 04/06/2013 at 11:42 pm

        I fully understand the difficulty, I too had a great deal of trouble getting passed that point. Believe me I really do empathise.

        ….. and yes you are really beginning to understand, see how it reflects her reactions? It;s the best way to try to understand it, but it’s a very difficult leap to make.

  39. Lisa M
    04/06/2013 at 11:42 pm

    Observer: “The journal entries are typical of how a stalker thinks. Jodi wants Travis and she is going to have him no matter what he wants or how he feels and when he writes he hates her, she is evil and a sociopath, worse than Hitler, never loved him, only saw him as a dildo with a heartbeat, she ignores him and responds, “Love you, hon. Be happy. Smiley face.”

    I always saw that last response of hers as a way to provoke him to more anger. Its extremely manipulative.

    I also think it outrageously ironic that the defense introduced him calling her a sociopath as a way to show his abusiveness!!! Hello, he was stating the truth! Obviously he had her number. Please, Juan, please bring this up in your cross!

  40. Ci Ci
    04/06/2013 at 11:47 pm

    janine1256 :
    NancyB,
    thank you for the nice comments earlier. I’m such a techie dinosaur – I don’t have a Facebook page! My husband and I still own two Trinitron tvs. And I’m even new to blogging. But I do have an I-phone! Lol

    Don’t feel bad…..I still watch a VCR!! My sons say that walking into my house is like walking into a time warp! Ha ha ha!!

  41. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/06/2013 at 11:48 pm

    Ah shucks Donchais…..I have one in moderation because I typed our name wrong!!…..ooooo sorreeeeee!!

  42. Moon
    04/06/2013 at 11:51 pm

    Observer :25 calliber

    oohhh ty for confirming that! wonder if it’s known if they indeed match (of course they do)

    • 04/06/2013 at 11:55 pm

      don’t think they have comparable ballistics from the Grandfathers gun… but the gun is apparently rare so it’s a little too coincidental.

      • Crystal Harris
        04/07/2013 at 12:04 am

        You are right that actual ballistic comparisons can’t be done without finding the gun. Next best is the simple fact that not only do the bullet calibers match, but the manufacturer does as well. Jodi was likely too ignorant about guns to know that .25 calibers are not common, and thus using this type of gun would point a finger straight at her.

      • 04/07/2013 at 12:11 am

        absolutely agreed Crystal. I don’t think she had any idea the gun was rare, plus I am not convinced she actually planned to fire it. That will forever remain conjecture unless she explains what happened and that ain’t gonna happen unless someone gives her a reason to.

        If someone can appeal to her ego and convince her how fascinating she is and how telling what really happened will immortalise her forever, she might get all warm and fuzzy inside and proudly relate it all with a smile on her face.

      • Lisa M
        04/07/2013 at 12:16 am

        I didn’t realize the gun wasn’t a common one. I learn something new every day on this site!

      • Crystal Harris
        04/07/2013 at 2:06 am

        Yep Lisa, most commonly we see pistols that are either .22, .9mm, .38, or .45. Had JA used one of those calibers, it would have been near impossible to speculate about a match since there are millions and millions of these caliber handguns out there.
        But a .25 is just not a gun that is commonly used. And lucky for us, Jodi didn’t know that. 🙂

  43. 04/06/2013 at 11:53 pm

    CC’sC… I have something to show you.

    Ask your kids to source you something like this.. then you can type on your ipad without half the screen being taken up by the internal keypad.

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2403253,00.asp

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/07/2013 at 12:50 am

      Got it….thanks Syntara! I’ll have them look into it…..sounds like it just what we need!

  44. Lisa M
    04/06/2013 at 11:53 pm

    Syntara: “The reason I reiterated the psychopath narcissist link is the lack of empathy and conscience is only relevant to psychopathy. It’s really the crucial distinction that, and repeated acting out throughout life – but that is always there if you look hard enough if the first two are obvious.”

    So are u saying that the lack of empathy and conscience don’t apply to narcissism?

    • 04/06/2013 at 11:56 pm

      that is correct.

      • 04/06/2013 at 11:57 pm

        That is why Robert Hare Titled his ground breaking book on psychopathy “Without Conscience”

      • Lisa M
        04/06/2013 at 11:57 pm

        Ok thanks for clarifying!

  45. Lisa M
    04/06/2013 at 11:59 pm

    Gotta read that book someday. Maybe I’ll save it for my summer reading list!

  46. Lisa M
    04/07/2013 at 12:21 am

    Syntara: “If someone can appeal to her ego and convince her how fascinating she is and how telling what really happened will immortalise her forever, she might get all warm and fuzzy inside and proudly relate it all with a smile on her face.”

    You are giving me serious shudders and chills at how sick that would be and yet how accurate your portrayal of her behavior is. This is why seeing someone as a psychopath is so hard. We don’t want to admit that people like this exist!

    • 04/07/2013 at 12:36 am

      This is why seeing someone as a psychopath is so hard. We don’t want to admit that people like this exist!

      LisaM You hit the nail on the head! It is easier to believe they don’t exist! It’s easier to give them the benefit of the doubt on so many things because we don’t want to believe people can be like that. .

      When confronted with one that exhibits the undeniable traits so publicly and perfectly, it forces due consideration. It is VERY rare to have such a textbook case on display. She is so extreme that though she tried desperately to hide it, and indeed continues to, she simply can’t.

      It is very scary people can look the same as the rest of us but have internal workings totally different than most of us. There’s even a theory they are a deliberate mutation by nature (pardon the pun).

      There is huge debate on this and the ramifications are enormous. There are terrible (imo) solutions being researched and put foreward and there are those who espouse the human race is “evolving” to a psychopathic/sociopathic template.

      Not an area for discussion here, but it is happening.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/07/2013 at 4:17 am

        In addition to the occasional howl of laughter from reading Syntara, I also have gotten a LOT of insight and information from her on WOBO and others like her. So many ramifications of this site–the various commenst, the videoss, the shared urge to start the day with the Heat is Juan….

  47. Anonymous
    04/07/2013 at 12:27 am

    There is an “app” called spoof phone for your phone..It looks like someones number is calling but it’s really someone else..could JA have used this for sex talk call? With Matt or someone posing as Travis and using their phone and JA hers?

    • 04/07/2013 at 7:55 am

      Once again, anonymous, very interesting. Cuz that voice did not sound like Travis. It’s very deep. But wouldn’t u think the family would notice the difference in the voice?

  48. Crystal Harris
    04/07/2013 at 12:31 am

    I just saw a FB page in support of Alyce LaViolette. Guess what it’s titled? “A Voice for the Voiceless”. Really? Really? Wow.

    • 04/07/2013 at 12:37 am

      omg! lol! sorry not funny but wow!!! the disconnect is quite spectacular.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/07/2013 at 4:19 am

      Yeah.If you are a man and if your throat is ever cut and you can’t talk, call old Alyce; She tell you it was YOUR fault.

  49. Moon
    04/07/2013 at 12:34 am

    Syntara :absolutely agreed Crystal. I don’t think she had any idea the gun was rare, plus I am not convinced she actually planned to fire it. That will forever remain conjecture unless she explains what happened and that ain’t gonna happen unless someone gives her a reason to.
    If someone can appeal to her ego and convince her how fascinating she is and how telling what really happened will immortalise her forever, she might get all warm and fuzzy inside and proudly relate it all with a smile on her face.

    your knowledge on all of this just fascinates me! i am very appreciative! i agree that would be the only way to get that out of her. dont even think o donoman can get her to crack! lol

  50. Moon
    04/07/2013 at 12:40 am

    so syn, any ideas on how to “break” someone from being this way? i believe it all started out with her being raised as a spoiled rotten brat. i bet she didn’t want for much! she demanded and her parents obliged. she is clearly in the belief that the world revolves around her, that she is the center of the universe. i know the person would first WANT to break this, but seriously what are the steps to make someone see this is how they are. how can one inspire them to have a conscience and empathy?

    • Lisa M
      04/07/2013 at 12:46 am

      The thing is we don’t have any evidence she was raised as a spoiled brat who didn’t want for anything. I don’t think we know enough about her childhood to speculate. And I’m sure many children who are spoiled don’t become psychopaths. Beyond that I don’t have any answers although I would guess environmental factors do play a big part. For instance babies who don’t connect with their parents, who are neglected, can develop personality disorders.

      • Lisa M
        04/07/2013 at 12:48 am

        I know you were asking Syntara, not me. Hope u dont mind me putting my two cents in!

    • 04/07/2013 at 12:53 am

      Moon… it is as yet unknown. So far it seems whatever causes psychopathy is not curable. They cannot change and traditional therapy makes them worse.. that is documented.

      It is not known if the cause is choice, nature or environment or indeed a combination of any or all of those. Have to wait for research, the biggest stumbling block to this is how do you know if a child is a psychopath? Answer you don’t. So currently there is no way of establishing predisposition or environment or choice.

      Until perhaps the brain scan research Dr Hare has submitted, or something similar can be used on ‘suspect’ children there is, as yet, no reference point to link into a definitive point of origin.

      • Moon
        04/07/2013 at 1:06 am

        gawd! knowing that it’s not curable is soooo scary! yikes

      • Moon
        04/07/2013 at 1:13 am

        it’s also horribly scary that therapy tents to make it worse! egads

      • 04/07/2013 at 8:12 am

        In my opinion, psychopathy is the mindset of an evil person with no conscience. No science here. No excuses. There really are truly evil people in this world. Jodi is a monster.

    • Lisa M
      04/07/2013 at 12:54 am

      Again just my two cents and I’m not an expert but I don’t think you can inspire someone to have empathy, but maybe they could undergo really intensive psychotherapy? Have no idea.
      Another thought about Jodi’s childhood. I was struck by the fact that her parents turned her into the police at age 12 or 13 for growing marijuana. That is a betrayal of trust and I’m not surprised she didn’t trust them afterward. It also makes me wonder what else was going on in her childhood and hints at early criminal behavior on her part.

      • Moon
        04/07/2013 at 1:02 am

        i totally disagree that is a betrayal of trust! calling the police is the right thing to do if you ask me! They were obviously reaching out to get help on that because they didn’t know how to handle it. perhaps they thought the police would help them get her to understand that was wrong!! not doing anything about it just enables her! my goodness she hit her brother in the head with a bat! she kicked a dog (to death) ?… she pushed limits always. the list goes on…

      • 04/07/2013 at 1:07 am

        tend to agree with Moon on this because she was likely a very defiant child and, assuming this scenario actually occurred, the parents may well have been reaching out for external help hoping it would ‘wake’ wobo up.

        But not knowing all the surrounding circumstances that’s just basing it on how I deduce it could have happened.

      • Crystal Harris
        04/07/2013 at 2:09 am

        I also have to disagree that it was a betrayal of trust for JA’s parents to call the cops on her for growing pot. Think about it…JA is only in 8th grade and that is some serious law-breaking on her part! I’m proud that her parents held her accountable. I just wonder if they followed through. They should have also gotten her drug rehab/counseling, etc.

      • Laine
        04/07/2013 at 5:33 am

        I think Lisa meant in JA’s mind this was a betrayal of trust, at least thats how I read it. It would makes sense for a later saying her mother “snooped” She wouldn’t think as we do or a normal child would “Crap I got caught” She would beleive it wasn’t her fault it was her parents fault for dobbing her in. At least thats the point I think Lisa was trying to make. Funny how as “normal” people we automatically go to the honorable defense of Mum did the right thing, it highlights exactly how JA doesn’t think like a normal person.

  51. Moon
    04/07/2013 at 12:56 am

    i don’t mind at all, lisa!! ty for your input. maybe we don’t ‘know’ if she was raised to be spoiled, and i realize that not all spoiled rotten brats become nutjobs. i guess it’s just the sense i get about her.

    • Lisa M
      04/07/2013 at 10:34 am

      The reason why is that it was the Trailforest is that I was thinking about my own childhood in which I was extremely lucky to have a father who would have grounded me would’ve yelled at me until the cows came home, I would’ve been in huge trouble but he wouldn’t have called the police.

      • Lisa M
        04/07/2013 at 10:35 am

        Sorry I used Siri and the first line didn’t come out right LOL. It should say the reason why I think what Jody’s parents did was a betrayal of trust, not Trailforest.

    • Lisa M
      04/07/2013 at 10:37 am

      I guess I’m just basing my belief that she probably wasn’t spoiled because I don’t think she grew up in great economic circumstances but I could be wrong. You could also be right, maybe her parents did spoil her and then they couldn’t deal with her later as a teenager.

  52. 04/07/2013 at 1:15 am

    hey this is a short 4 mins… clips of Dr Hare on Psychopathy if either of you are interested.

    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=VkRUyGkmEj0&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVkRUyGkmEj0

    • Moon
      04/07/2013 at 1:26 am

      ty ty !! gonna watch it

    • Lisa M
      04/07/2013 at 10:39 am

      Thanks Syntara! Gonna watch it later.

  53. 04/07/2013 at 1:33 am

    Also… this is a very interesting documentary.. it is done within the prison system and goes into the why’s of ineffective traditional therapy. Long time since I watched it, it’s long and in several parts all available on youtube.

    here’s a link to the first one and the second is first on the list to the side and so on. You will need time to watch it all though.

    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=qm1S_n0V5kk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dqm1S_n0V5kk

  54. Moon
    04/07/2013 at 1:35 am

    well i can’t get that vid to open up.i will google dr hare and see what i can see. gonna call it a nite tho, i have a busy morning ahead. good nite (((all)))

    • 04/07/2013 at 1:38 am

      that’s weird the link works for me. sorry!

  55. Commerce1
    04/07/2013 at 1:35 am

    I just ordered and received the most awesome book from Amazon.com. It’s called “Red Flags of Love Fraud.” It is all about sociopaths and how they behave in relationships, and I CAN’T PUT IT DOWN. It describes Jodi Arias to a T, and, sadly, describes my ex-husband to a T. This should be required reading for everyone before they graduate from high school. It would help people avoid sociopathic relationships cause they would know what to look for. Had Travis read this he would have seen Jodi described in chilling detail and he would have known what he was dealing with. Maybe it would have helped him take the danger she posed to him seriously so he may have taken the appropriate precautions. I truly believe the restraining orders I have had on my husband and the police reports I have filed are part of what have kept me and my son safe from him. If nothing else, he knows with that documentation he would be 1000% the first person they would focus on if anything happened to us.

    • 04/07/2013 at 1:41 am

      yeah familiar with that. I like the author she has an excellent blog … if it’s the one I’m thinking of

    • Lisa M
      04/07/2013 at 10:43 am

      Sounds like a good read! Another one to add to my list of must-reads!

  56. 04/07/2013 at 2:28 am

    hey to anyone…. Ive seen reference to the air-conditioning being “turned up”. What exactly does this mean? Was the temp lowered and the fan turned up, was the temperature turned up? Anyone have clarification of what exactly was done to the air conditioning system?

    • Crystal Harris
      04/07/2013 at 2:36 am

      I’ve heard it talked about, and the way I interpreted it is that Jodi did it so that the cold air would slow down decomposition. Remember that this murder took place in hot AZ in June. The weather was already getting up into the mid 90’s, which can really speed up decomposition. JA was just trying to account for that, I believe.

      • 04/07/2013 at 2:42 am

        k so the temp was turned down not up. That’s what I was wanting to know.

      • 04/07/2013 at 8:06 am

        That ac term always got me too, cuz when it’s cold the temperature goes down! It’s kinda like when people say “slow up.” Huh? You speed up and slow down! Lol

      • Lisa M
        04/07/2013 at 10:44 am

        OMG something else I didn’t know about!

      • Observer
        04/07/2013 at 7:18 pm

        Crystal, the temperatures are 100 to 120 in June in Mesa, AZ. They are already in the 80s now.

    • Crystal Harris
      04/07/2013 at 2:38 am

      Oh, and to answer exactly what you are asking in terms of syntax, “turning up” the AC just means making it colder. We’ll say, “crank up the AC” when it’s hot!

      • 04/07/2013 at 2:52 am

        thanks Crystal the reason I asked is because I have reverse cycle.. ie turn up is hotter, turn down is cooler.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/07/2013 at 2:28 pm

      Turning the a/c on full blast (as mentioned that the roommate found) is a tactic that came out on Law and Order once. The murderer turned on the air conditioner full blast in addition to opening the windows (for the odor) in order to slow down decomposition so the time of death could not be determined when the body was found. At first the detectives determined the time of death later than it had actually occurred which fit the alibi and whereabouts of the murderer and could not place her at the scene. Planned!!

      • 04/07/2013 at 4:49 pm

        yea was just wonder if it was up or down in this context.. ie did she want to speed or slow decomp

  57. 04/07/2013 at 2:48 am

    weird she wanted to slow down decomp. but I guess anything to try to mask time of death was worth a shot to her at that time .. she just does really odd things cos his friends are going to be able to say when he stopped answering calls.

    She does some things ok and others just don’t make sense if thought through. Lucky she thinks herself way more intelligent than she actually is. She ain’t Ted Bundy!

  58. Janeto
    04/07/2013 at 5:07 am

    Anybody out there?? Just checking in…Couldn’t sleep and have been up since 2:00 a.m. It’s now 4:00 CST….Hope this doesn’t go into moderation “mom”. 🙂

  59. MAGLD
    04/07/2013 at 5:16 am

    Beside being a psychopath this woman seems to engage in behavoir that is one for texbook. Cunning,manipulative,basking in the limelight of this public trial as if she is the main seductress irregardless of the pain caused to anyone .( she so convincingly describes Travis as her love in a sick and profound way) The great lengths she has gone in order to rehearse her love for him over and over again ie her stalking behavoir,fabricating scenarios with him and documenting in her written words, obsessed to the point of causing harm to him and to anyone else he so much as chooses to show his affection….NO! NO! NO! HE IS MINE AND NOBODY ELSE CAN OR WILL HAVE HIM!!!!!To prove her point that she and Travis are an item and will be forever…….and,for every other woman to keep away she not only ends his life here on earth, she has also accomplished her task of keeping Jodi and Travis together by allowing everyone to know that their love was real and eternal(in her mind) thus exposing the salacious details of private acts which may or may not have occured exactly as she reports it to be. This is how she wins!!! Everything that has now been reported indicates to me that she
    continues to love Travis in her sick way by the way she treated his dead
    body by washing it and making sure the temperature was right. A shrine
    perhaps. When I see all the photos of travis and Jodi in the media here again she has accomplished her task that travis and jodi IS A COUPLE after all! Her thinking is warped and sick. She has no intentions of ruining this final stage of their life together by confessing the truth of how he died on June 4th. THIS IS HER SECRET AND HERS ALONE If she tells then she won’t be the smartest person in the room anymore and why risk that?!

    • Crystal Harris
      04/07/2013 at 12:51 pm

      I agree with you. I think the sheer number of pictures of the two of them together is telling…like what are you trying to prove? We get it, Travis is your boyfriend. They were together for 5 months as a real couple, and there are more photos of them than I have of my husband and I who were married for 12 years. I just didn’t feel the need to stop someone and make them take a picture of us every single time we were out together. Am I making any sense?

  60. Laine
    04/07/2013 at 5:27 am

    Morning all, Just lifted this from the Detective Flores support site:

    Dr. Phil
    Been reading some rumors that we are paying for Arias family housing etc… Absolutely untrue. I have never met the Arias family, and neither I — nor my production company — has paid or promised them anything. Robin and I are praying for the Alexander family

    Lets hope this is the true version of events!

    • Janeto
      04/07/2013 at 5:30 am

      Morning Laine! I sure hope that version is true!

      • Laine
        04/07/2013 at 1:20 pm

        Hi Janeto, I hope so too! I don’t think he’s stupid and with al the negative publicity surrounding this case he would be a fool to indulge the Arias’s…..I hope!

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 6:27 am

      Morning Laine – I hope that’s true as well but knowing Dr. Shill’s reputation, I highly doubt it. I haven’t watched his show in years mainly because he became such a bottom feeder!!! Only time will tell on which show the Arias family will land.

      • Lisa M
        04/07/2013 at 10:47 am

        I actually liked and respected Dr. Phil until he had Jose Baez on his show and even though he challenged Baez on saying Casey had PTSD, in the end said to him, “Juries ususlly get it right.” I was so appalled! They obviously didn’t in that case!

    • 04/07/2013 at 10:12 am

      well I hope this is true. Good thing is if it is, enough ppl made a noise and got his attention, maybe he should think about footing the Alexander’s bills as a gesture of goodwill.

      …. I know i know.. dreaming again!

    • Nancy Pennington
      04/07/2013 at 11:02 am

      MMD: Ahem. It was I that told you about the Prey movie. AND I would greatly appreciate the credit. Lol. We just rented it but realized we had seen it months ago on TV. Probably Showtime (free preview since we don’t subscribe ). By the way, you are welcome! ***it is early here on the west coast so dismiss the snarkiness**** you know I love you but had to clear up YOUR obvious fogginess LOL again.

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 3:52 pm

        Nancy Pennington :
        MMD: Ahem. It was I that told you about the Prey movie. AND I would greatly appreciate the credit. Lol. We just rented it but realized we had seen it months ago on TV. Probably Showtime (free preview since we don’t subscribe ). By the way, you are welcome! ***it is early here on the west coast so dismiss the snarkiness**** you know I love you but had to clear up YOUR obvious fogginess LOL again.

        Nancy – I bow to your feet in great embarrassment as my brain has been in a fog all day!!! I not only got it wrong once, but twice asked the wrong person 😦 Syn said that it was because it was caused by watching the ALV videos and hopefully that’s the reason. Can you ever forgive me darlin;??????????? I knew it was someone of high intelligence who mentioned it to me!!!!! Anyway, I couldn’t find it on Amazon.ca so I wrote John Sandford’s son who is his webmaster and he emailed me right back with a link – duh!!! Sadly there is only one but it WILL arrive on Tuesday!!! Now as to when I’ll get the time to watch it…………………….??????????

        So darlin’, thank you for telling me about it and maybe during a defense ‘sick’ day I’ll get a chance to watch it before fall.

        Thank you, thank you, thank you and I will now credit you with every intelligent thing I say to make up for it!!!

        Please tell me we are good or I will have to continue my grovelling and due to my fog I can’t think of anything else to add!!!! 😉

        sending {{{{{{ hugs and waves}}}}}}} 🙂

  61. MMD
    04/07/2013 at 5:56 am

    janeto :
    See MMD? I don’t even need to reply or post cuz we think sooooo much alike!!! I feel so close to my peeps on this site, but YOU & donchais, I feel a very close, different connection to for some reason! Hugs n {{{waves}}} to you both!!!

    Hugs & waves back darlin!!! It’s scary if ya think like me especially after the fury I felt and the rant I was on Friday!!! 😦 I’ll talke the compliment though if you have donchais and I in the same sentence 🙂

  62. Janeto
    04/07/2013 at 5:57 am

    Hey! I felt the rant too!!! You just said it better than I could! 🙂 What time is it where you are?

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 6:28 am

      LOL 7:28 a.m.

      • Janeto
        04/07/2013 at 6:33 am

        Wow! So you are only 2 hrs ahead of me..Interesting…I thought you were several hours ahead of CST.

      • Janeto
        04/07/2013 at 6:36 am

        BTW, I am a BIG fan of Jethro Gibbs too!!!!!!!!!! 🙂

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 6:37 am

        Nope just 2 but if ya keep going to Newfoundland, ya have to add another 1/2 just to complicate things 😉

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 6:38 am

        Was it you that told me about the Prey movie with Mark Harmon yesterday? Cause there is only one and I ordered it from Amazon.ca

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 6:40 am

        besides aren’t you on daylight savings time now as well????

  63. Janeto
    04/07/2013 at 6:40 am

    No it wasn’t me talking about that Prey movie…I never heard of it! Ha! You did order it! Let me know how you like it!

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 6:45 am

      I think it was Marilyn. Yep I have all of John Sandford’s books and I can so picture Mark Harmon as Lucas Davenport. Of course, his next book is coming out in May and at the rate we’re going on this trial, it might be the end of the summer before I get to read it or watch the movie. Just add it to the pile of amazon boxes of things I’ve preordered and haven’t opened yet. This trial has taken over my life!!!

      • Janeto
        04/07/2013 at 6:48 am

        LOL!!!! I read a lot of James Patterson novels. Awesome writer! There is a woman I read too, but at the moment her name escapes me….They both write sequels (series) in there stories, and I love knowing who I’m reading about to see what happens next in their lives…

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 6:56 am

        I know we are soooo OT here. I have a problem with James Patterson because he thinks that women need short chapters and have a very short attention span. Plus he only really writes the Alex Cross novels – the rest he farms out to his co-authors. The Alex Cross books are very good and I will confess that I have read most of his books, but I give more credit to his co-authors than him. Let’s put it this way, his books are my “dirty little secret” whereas my other authors I freely admit I love!! hanging my head in embarrassment 😦

      • Nancy Pennington
        04/07/2013 at 11:16 am

        MMD. Please. Check up a few posts as I left a very sweet note for you. It got put in the wrong order but you will understand (and forgive ). Yuk yuk

  64. Janeto
    04/07/2013 at 6:43 am

    Yes, we just “jumped up” an hour… Lost one….so much for much needed Zzzzzzz’s

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 6:46 am

      I remember I changed mine on Saturday morning so that Monday would come faster!!!! Not that I’m obsessed or anything……………….. LOL I’ll leave that up to Syn to diagnose me!

      • Janeto
        04/07/2013 at 6:51 am

        LOL! Heaven forbid if Syn ever diagnosed me!! I’d probably end up committed somewhere due to this trial! 🙂 Syn, don’t read into what I post.. tee hee

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 6:59 am

        Truly, by the end of the trial, just imagine the study that could be done on all of us since we all are affected somewhat differently! Syn could head it up as long as she promised NO locking of doors 😉

  65. Janeto
    04/07/2013 at 6:59 am

    MMD :
    I know we are soooo OT here. I have a problem with James Patterson because he thinks that women need short chapters and have a very short attention span. Plus he only really writes the Alex Cross novels – the rest he farms out to his co-authors. The Alex Cross books are very good and I will confess that I have read most of his books, but I give more credit to his co-authors than him. Let’s put it this way, his books are my “dirty little secret” whereas my other authors I freely admit I love!! hanging my head in embarrassment

    ROFLMAO!!!!! Yup, you are right about that…..I remembered ……Lisa Gardner is the other author I read…Use to read a lot of John Saul, but not in a while..

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 7:10 am

      I read Lisa Gardner, Tess Gerritsen, Kathy Reichs, etc as well. My current favs now are Jeffery Deaver, Michael Connelly, Stephen White and David Baldacci plus lots of bios. I read a ton, very rarely watch tv but with this trial I haven’t read squat!

      • Janeto
        04/07/2013 at 7:13 am

        Wow! I’ll have to check out the other authors! I am a BIG NFL fan, so I read only in the off season…..But I love to read a good book! Spring/Summer time leaves a lot of daylight, so yard work is plentiful if we could get out of this drought!!!!

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 7:19 am

        I know well the priorities of American football fans!!! Even when ya visit if the Pats are playing ya get totally ignored but I have had years of getting used to it. ROFL

  66. Janeto
    04/07/2013 at 7:03 am

    MMD :
    Truly, by the end of the trial, just imagine the study that could be done on all of us since we all are affected somewhat differently! Syn could head it up as long as she promised NO locking of doors

    OMFG!!! You got that right!! We’re all a mess! She would have her hands full!!! We would make her change prefessions real quick!! One thing I hate about this wordpress….you have to scroll to see a comment replied to….sometimes I miss them altogether!

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 7:13 am

      I know I don’t like it either because I miss comments but I’m getting used to though so I just have to start at the top and work my way down every day.

  67. Janeto
    04/07/2013 at 7:08 am

    Well, I must get in the shower and get my day started…Yesterday I cleaned gutters on my house and my next door neighbors….I’m so sore from climbing up and down the ladder…Today I get to do lawn work…. it will work out the soreness from yesterday…but then again, give me some new sore muscles to deal with for the work week. 😦

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 7:12 am

      Darlin’ I have gutters that need to be cleaned as well………….just saying………… but since it snowed yesterday and it’s supposed to rain for the next few days I think I can procrastinate for a few weeks 🙂

      • Janeto
        04/07/2013 at 7:16 am

        Ha Ha!!!!! I’ll be there in YOUR summer!!!! I don’t like the cold..love the cool, but not the cold!! Texan, remember?? sssshhh, don’t say that too loud..I get enough hassles as it is! TTFN!!! Hugs, waves!

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 7:15 am

      TTYL – have fun! *****waves**** Look at the bright side, at least with the sore muscles ya know you’re still alive 🙂

      • Janeto
        04/07/2013 at 7:18 am

        True! And see, I HAVE emotions, and feelings Syn…..LMAO!!!

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 7:20 am

        I think Syn knows that Janet!!! 🙂

  68. LindaLou
    04/07/2013 at 8:02 am

    Lisa M :
    When she says “I could not possibly love him not” its like she’s trying to be poetic. There’s another entry when she says something like “I care not” something like that, where
    she uses “not” again as if she’s trying to sound like Juliet talking about her Romeo.

    I was checking some things on line and ran across an article – “How to spot a sociopath – 10 red flags that could save…..”

    And guess what # 8 is;

    #8) Sociopaths speak poetically. They are master wordsmiths, able to deliver a running “stream of consciousness” monologue that is both intriguing and hypnotic. They are expert storytellers and even poets. As a great example of this in action, watch this interview of Charles Manson on YouTube.

  69. kCruz123
    04/07/2013 at 9:09 am

    Hi and good morning everyone. I just read something that was pretty interesting. It may have already been discussed here (in previous posts) and if so, am sorry to repeat Afer I read the comment (found on another blog) I then went to look for myself (at photos I found on another blog). So am cut/pasting here so I can give credit to those who detected this. It is just to point out that JA is not the diminutive thing she pretends to be and it helps to explain why it is that she keeps adjusting her chair in court to make herself seem smaller. I know that I have read that she was 5’6″ /125 and Travis was 5’9″/185. But if you watch this youtube (with Dan Freeman’s testimony that if he remembers correctly JA could be just a little bit taller than Travis. (say what??? I thought)

    So then I just entered “what is Travis Alexanders’ height” into Google & went to the 1st site I saw. There are some pics & if you look at pic #5 you will see that Dan Freeman just might be right. One thing is for sure, she isn’t that much smaller than Travis. So it seems even more feasible, especially since she had told him that she was running/working out so much right before she went down to Mesa. Hmmmm, am thinking that she wouldn’t have needed anyone to help her at all.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-197484-p-4.html

    CUCKOOHEAD02-01-2013, 05:10 PM
    To set the record straight, one of the last things Juan Martinez established in his cross-examination skip to 38:25 for this testimony
    Also, note that whenever Jodi stands for the jury’s entrance/exit, she is about 2″ taller than her Defense attorney, yet when seated Jodi is several inches lower than her (as NG loves to point out).
    I thought Jodi is 5’4″ and this witness says Travis came up to his shoulder which puts him at @5’8″

    http://wildabouttrial.com/photos-from-the-travis-alexander-murder-case-graphic/
    (see picture #5)

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 10:39 am

      She puts her chair down lower to make herself look smaller and more petite. Casey Anthony did the same thing. Just another defense tool in their arsenal. Hopefully the jury has seen through it.

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 10:42 am

      Forgot to say, you’re a better person than I am. I couldn’t figure out Websleuths to save my soul. In fact I came running back here to normalcy!!!

      • kCruz123
        04/07/2013 at 11:00 am

        Morning MMD. Yes, I knew that was why she put her chair down but it just truly never clicked in my head just how close to the same size she is with Travis until I went and looked at the pic in the link above. It is the one where they are on vacation with Dan Freeman & his sister. All 4 are standing side by side, Dan is tallest & then JA and Travis are like the same height. I have seen that pic dozens of times but until the comment on websleuths, it just never clicked.
        & yes, that site is …..hmmm, trying to be diplomatic, so will just say it is different that this one. I love it here, everyone says it like they mean it here. Everything is organized and donchais runs a tight ship, keeps out all the riff-raff.
        i’m military veteran, I prefer the discipline & order & friendship that I see here.

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 11:38 am

        Yes donchais is our awesome and fearless host and some pretty terrific people gather here!!! Eveyone has something unique to contribute. How she puts up with all of us is beyond me 😉

        I think JA testifphoned that she was 5’6″. I can’t put my hand on the copy of her driver’s license at the moment.

      • Douglme
        04/08/2013 at 2:14 am
    • Crystal Harris
      04/07/2013 at 6:57 pm

      You can also tell how tall JA is by looking at her gargantuan feet every time they show the headstand video. Short girls (like me) just do not have big feet like that!
      Oh, and I’ve always wanted to say for the record that I know exactly why JA did that headstand. She was busy doing all sorts of things to “pretty herself up” for her mugshot in lieu of no makeup. Standing on your head brings blood and color to your face and makes you look like you just put some blush on. I just know Jodi did it for that reason.

  70. 04/07/2013 at 9:14 am

    Test cos post just vaporised

  71. donchais
    04/07/2013 at 9:18 am

    Syntara :

    Test cos post just vaporised

    I just found it in spam! Dunno why. Let me get it out of there.

  72. 04/07/2013 at 9:27 am

    Ok forgive me if this posts twice because my first attempt has gone awol in cyberspace.

    Wanted tp post this leading edge study into psychopathy vs ASPD to show how MRI imaging and Dr Robert Hare’s PCL-R are being used worldwide in ongoing research breakthroughs.

    As I said a couple of weeks ago, an MRI scan and PCL-R evaluation of Jodi’s brain would be very helpful.

    ======================

    Original Article | Sep 2012

    The Antisocial Brain: Psychopathy Matters
    A Structural MRI Investigation of Antisocial Male Violent Offenders
    Sarah Gregory, PhD; Dominic ffytche, MD, MRCPsych; Andrew Simmons, PhD; Veena Kumari, PhD; Matthew Howard, PhD; Sheilagh Hodgins, PhD; Nigel Blackwood, MA, MD, MRCPsych

    Arch Gen Psychiatry. 2012;69(9):962-972. doi:10.1001/archgenpsychiatry.2012.222. Text

    Context The population of men who display persistent antisocial and violent behavior is heterogeneous. Callous-unemotional traits in childhood and psychopathic traits in adulthood characterize a distinct subgroup.

    Objective To identify structural gray matter (GM) differences between persistent violent offenders who meet criteria for antisocial personality disorder and the syndrome of psychopathy (ASPD+P) and those meeting criteria only for ASPD (ASPD−P).

    Design Cross-sectional case-control structural magnetic resonance imaging study.

    Setting Inner-city probation services and neuroimaging research unit in London, England.

    Participants Sixty-six men, including 17 violent offenders with ASPD+P, 27 violent offenders with ASPD−P, and 22 healthy nonoffenders participated in the study. Forensic clinicians assessed participants using the Structured Clinical Interview for DSM-IV and the Psychopathy Checklist–Revised.

    Main Outcome Measures Gray matter volumes as assessed by structural magnetic resonance imaging and volumetric voxel-based morphometry analyses.

    Results Offenders with ASPD+P displayed significantly reduced GM volumes bilaterally in the anterior rostral prefrontal cortex (Brodmann area 10) and temporal poles (Brodmann area 20/38) relative to offenders with ASPD−P and nonoffenders. These reductions were not attributable to substance use disorders. Offenders with ASPD−P exhibited GM volumes similar to the nonoffenders.

    Conclusions Reduced GM volume within areas implicated in empathic processing, moral reasoning, and processing of prosocial emotions such as guilt and embarrassment may contribute to the profound abnormalities of social behavior observed in psychopathy. Evidence of robust structural brain differences between persistently violent men with and without psychopathy adds to the evidence that psychopathy represents a distinct phenotype. This knowledge may facilitate research into the etiology of persistent violent behavior.

    • 04/07/2013 at 9:29 am

      yikes plse delete second one sorry Donchais didn’t see yours! karma got me!!!

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 9:44 am

        Morning darlin —- waves—- you were saying something about karma? LOL Janet and I were talking about you earlier and when this trial is over we are all gonna be test studies for ya Just imagine the new research possibilities. Only condition, no locked doors please 😉

  73. donchais
    04/07/2013 at 9:31 am

    Syntara :

    yikes plse delete second one sorry Donchais didn’t see yours! karma got me!!!

    We’re all good.

  74. 04/07/2013 at 9:51 am

    MMD :
    Morning darlin —- waves—- you were saying something about karma? LOL Janet and I were talking about you earlier and when this trial is over we are all gonna be test studies for ya Just imagine the new research possibilities. Only condition, no locked doors please

    Gotta catch up as yet….. but MMD – yours is simple:

    psychosis – characterised by hallucination and delusion

    Definition:

    An hallucination is an internal sensory perception that isn’t actually present

    A delusion is defined as a false, inaccurate belief that a person holds on to.

    • 04/07/2013 at 9:54 am

      by the way thank you Donchais and moooooooornin’ MMD sweet thang 😀

  75. MMD
    04/07/2013 at 9:55 am

    Syn – yeah but it’s my delusion and I’m trying to enjoy it 😉

  76. hottopic08
    04/07/2013 at 10:20 am

    Does anyone know how JA said, or if she did say in her testimony how she got started with her belief of “the secret/law of attraction? I don’t remember her saying, but I could swear I remember AL saying during Thursday’s testimony, somewhere just before JM cross, that TA introduced JA to the LOA. Anyone know?

    • hottopic08
      04/07/2013 at 10:23 am

      I better go get some more coffee! From the way I worded that sentence I either need to wake up so I can concentrate, maybe my brain is just scrambled this morning 🙂

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 10:37 am

        I’m having a hard time concentrating today as well – hope it’s just a temporary thing and doesn’t last into tomorrow. I think I spent too much time listening to ALV on the stand and on youTube 😦

  77. 04/07/2013 at 10:42 am

    MMD :
    I’m having a hard time concentrating today as well – hope it’s just a temporary thing and doesn’t last into tomorrow. I think I spent too much time listening to ALV on the stand and on youTube

    see that was your mistake…. listening to her. *waves finger* *naughty* *naughty* I warned you! Danger will Robinson, danger danger!

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 11:50 am

      I know – my bad!!! Now permanently damaged! 😉

  78. 04/07/2013 at 11:25 am

    jad, I want to thank you for pointing me to Dr Michael Welner’s testimony in the Elizabeth Smart case. I have managed to track down a transcript of his first full day on the stand, as yet have not found any subsequent transcript which I’m assuming exists as this ends abruptly with days end recess.

    Anyhow, the difference with his approach and what we have seen from the defense “expert” is glaring. He states he reviewed txt, IM, Facebook records and then endeavoured to clarify any grey areas by interviewing many of the surrounding people. He felt without doing so he could not properly comment on the transcripts alone.

    Here is his quote exactly from the transcript

    Third party interviews is what distinguishes clinical psychiatry from forensic psychiatry. It puts a requirement that you have a good feeling on “the rest of the story,” as Paul Harvey would say. You think you have the whole story and you pause.

    He also says he always records ALL interviews he carries out including any with the defendant.

    Hagen: How many interview transcripts and video tapes?

    Welner: 6.

    {{and further… In Jodi’s trial just substitute her journal entries for “scriptures”
    (can you believe he actually uses *rabbit hole* I so grinned at that!! )}}

    Hagen: Personal papers … of the accused and Ms. Barzee?

    Welner: 12.

    Hagen: How did you treat those sources?

    Welner: As scripture, scripture that was designed to be spiritual and self-affirming.

    Hagen: Did you take those at face value?

    Welner: No, I did not.

    Hagen: If they were taken at face value, could that compromise the investigation?

    Welner: Oh, absolutely — my point being that as I have read scriptures
    …… It shapes that position. In certain instances it may be deserved. If you fall in the rabbit hole of relying on scripture for reality, you may have been led astray, and you don’t know where.

    {{** I’d like to say: “Dr Dodgy and La Toilette, read and learn”** }}

    • 04/07/2013 at 11:31 am

      oops left off:

      Hagen: How many interviews did you conduct?

      Welner: 57, the 58th is the meeting with Mr. Mitchell.

      • Crystal Harris
        04/07/2013 at 1:28 pm

        Syntara- I think the huge glaring difference here is that you are watching testimony from “Prosecution” experts versus “defense” experts if obviously guilty defendants. One thing that drives me crazy about our system is that a defendant, no matter how obviously guilty, can always find some hack “expert” willing to testify on their behalf. And that expert is given respect as though it is not well-known that anyone can hire a hack. Makes me sick.

      • 04/07/2013 at 4:47 pm

        which is why you have to have your spade equipped.. to dig through the crap.

    • NancyB
      04/07/2013 at 12:22 pm

      Dr Michael Welner developed the Depravity Scale that you looked at last week. What did you think of his testimony?

      • 04/07/2013 at 12:38 pm

        NancyB, Im still searching for transcripts that complete his testimony. So far, as per my post, he certainly hits all the right notes to establish his foundation unlike Dodgeridoo and La La Toilette.

        57 +1 interviews vs 1 interview la toilette did. The 1 in both instances being the defendant in each case.

        Just a bit of a difference right there! Not to mention he says if he doesn’t corroborate he can’t get a feel for the full picture… well Heeello! La Toilette.. this should be obvious!!

        As I noted, Juan needed the “corroboration” webster definition ready.

  79. Marilyn N
    04/07/2013 at 11:37 am

    Wow! I am rewatching some of JM’s cross of the snake and she is even more pathetic
    than the first watch. Hope the jurors can rewatch tidbits so their memories will be refreshed
    as well. And, OMG, her bangs!!!!!

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 11:42 am

      Morning Marilyn – did you see my convo with Janet upstairs about the Prey movie?. There is only one and I already ordered it so thanks for telling me about it. 🙂

      I don’t think that the jurors are allowed to watch the trial video just the video that has been put into evidence.

      • Marilyn N
        04/07/2013 at 11:55 am

        Morning MMD:
        Well hopefully Juan will refresh their memories somehow! Am sure he will.
        Also, twasn’t me about the Prey movie. I looked back to yesterday and it was Nancy P. on #493 – so can’t take credit for it.
        And for the record, 24 hours and 35 minutes to go!!! 😃😃😃

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 11:58 am

        Damn, I can’t get anything right today!!! 😦 As Syn says, I shouldn’t have listened to the ALV videos!!!!!

  80. Lisa M
    04/07/2013 at 11:42 am

    ” I totally disagree that is a betrayal of trust! calling the police is the right thing to do if you ask me! They were obviously reaching out to get help on that because they didn’t know how to handle it. perhaps they thought the police would help them get her to understand that was wrong!! not doing anything about it just enables her! my goodness she hit her brother in the head with a bat! she kicked a dog (to death) ?… she pushed limits always. the list goes on…”

    Okay, okay! I wasn’t considering anything else in her childhood. I was just making a comment based on my own experience in a normal family (not that any family is really normal). As you point out, I don’t know what else her parents were dealing with or what they had already tried in dealing with her. None of us has the whole picture. I was just commenting on what seemed to me to be an extreme action taken by her parents for that one incident.

  81. MMD
    04/07/2013 at 11:48 am

    Dr. Shill tweeted about not supporting the Arias family last night. Here is a link on the story. I find it interesting that the first (now third) comment from Kara on there is for someone hating on Chris Stark, who I have always found to have credible info. Me thinks it might be a pr move on Dr. Shill’s part because I don’t believe him. jmo Comments?????

    http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20688951,00.html

    • Marilyn N
      04/07/2013 at 11:59 am

      He may not be paying for their lodging now, but am sure there is a promise for a big hunk
      of $$$ for them to be on his show down the line.

      By the way, have we ever seen JA’s older brother and sister in the courtroom?
      I don’t think so but not for positive.

      • NancyB
        04/07/2013 at 12:25 pm

        one brother was there in the beginning of the trial – which one was that?

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 12:40 pm

        The one I saw looked a lot younger than JA so he must be from the second grouping of kids. I think Carl is the older one.

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 12:11 pm

      see my c&p below – don’t know why I couldn’t get a working link 😦 ………….darn new fangled gadgets!!!

  82. 04/07/2013 at 11:57 am

    Hi LisaM and Marilyn 🙂 *waves*

    • Marilyn N
      04/07/2013 at 12:02 pm

      ~ ~ ~ ~ waves back~ ~ ~ ~ ~
      Happy day before back to trial day!! 😊😉😃

      • 04/07/2013 at 12:21 pm

        cannot wait for more Juan action!!

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 12:44 pm

        It’s gonna make for an interesting week and ya know that Gidget is gonna be popping up every 2 secs with an objection 😉 I hope everyone on the defense side got a lot of rest this weekend esp. ALV. After all she had to cancel her seminar to rest ROFL

    • Lisa M
      04/07/2013 at 9:25 pm

      Waves!

  83. MMD
    04/07/2013 at 12:00 pm

    http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20688951,00.html hope this link works better

    • Laine
      04/07/2013 at 6:30 pm

      I’ve just read this, thanks for posting MMD. Certainly puts a different spin on things! I guess we will have to wait and see. Makes me sick how they turn to the perpatrators family for sensationalism rather than the victims for support! Shame on them!

  84. MMD
    04/07/2013 at 12:05 pm

    Damn here is a c&p from People.com

    Dr. Phil McGraw wants to make one thing perfectly clear – he’s not paying for Jodi Arias’s family’s housing during her trial.

    “Rumors that we’re paying for Arias family house etc… are absolutely untrue,” he Tweeted on Saturday night.

    “I’ve never met the Arias family, and neither I, nor my … production company – has paid or promised them anything. Robin and I are praying for the Alexander family,” the message reads in full.

    The accusations stem from a Tweet by Chris Stark, a “former BB Blogger & Casey Anthony Blogger” and “Paid Researcher.”

    “Dr Phil Production Company is paying for #JodiArias Family living expenses. Hotel and food TRAVEL for the last 94 days in Arizona,” Stark wrote on Saturday.

    “Excuse: paying MOM Sandra for her daily NOTES she writes while the trial testimony takes place. Dr Phil paid license fee for photos and video of Arias Family Dr. Phil producer visited Jodi 2 times in jail so far per jailhouse visitor log,” Stark continued. “Dr Phil paid Cindy Anthony $600,000 for her interview after the trial.”

    In exchange for George and Cindy Anthony’s first TV interview following their daughter Casey’s trial, the Anthonys asked McGraw, 62, for a donation to their non-profit organization, Caylee’s Fund.

    Then in September 2011, McGraw informed viewers the interview was being done in return for a donation to Caylee’s Fund.

    “The couple will derive no income from Caylee’s Fund,” McGraw said, explaining that the charity is “intending to focus on promoting processes to educate the public about – and advocate for grandparents’ rights.”

    Arias, 32, is being tried for the murder of Travis Alexander, whom she is accused of stabbing 27 times and shooting in the head in 2008.

    The nationally televised trial began in Phoenix in January.

    Dr. Phil ✔ @DrPhil

    Rumors that we’re paying for Arias family housing etc… are absolutely untrue. I’ve never met the Arias family, and neither I, nor my …
    2:02 AM – 07 Apr 13

    Dr. Phil ✔ @DrPhil

    … production company — has paid or promised them anything. Robin and I are praying for the Alexander family.
    2:03 AM – 07 Apr 13

    And here is the comment that I was talking about:

    Kara 53 minutes ago
    Chris Stark is a cohort of Holly Briley – the woman who leaked video diaries of Casey Anthony. Both women are known to make up wild accusations about people for the sole purpose of ruining their reputations, be it high profile celebrities such as Dr. Phil or every day folk like you & I. Chris Stark and Holly Briley have been on a never ending blog war with Brianne Chantal, a Canadian blogger in her 20’s, as well as another blogger by the name of Nikki and one other blogger by the name William Murtaugh. If you google these three individuals you will see all the wild things that Chris Stark and Holly Briley have spread about these people online

  85. MMD
    04/07/2013 at 12:09 pm

    Here are 2 of Chris Stark’s responses

    chris stark ‏@stark3923 6h
    @Colorado2108 dr phil works4 nd is employed by his production company. P.C is paying 4Mom Sandy. technically Dr Phil is not paying

    chris stark ‏@stark3923 6h
    @Colorado2108 up until the taping of cindy anthony. the dr phil show denied everything. later as a FACT it was proven 600k was paid

    chris stark ‏@stark3923 6h
    @Colorado2108 back in the casey anthonys day i was called a liar many times. time went by and i was proven to be factually correct

    I don’t have a dog in this fight. I just happen to believe one more than the other 😉

  86. NancyB
    04/07/2013 at 12:11 pm

    About Dr Shill’s comment about having no connection with providing any support for the Arias family — I will stay in holding pattern. He made a similar media announcement when new 1st broke that he had a contract with the Anthony’s. He denied it for 2 months prior to admitting it.

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 12:13 pm

      That’s exactly right and why I posted Chris Stark’s replies above. Only time will tell as to which tv show they will land on cause ya know they will!!!

      • NancyB
        04/07/2013 at 12:27 pm

        Hi MMD – I hadn’t read that far when I posted my comment! A leopard doesn’t change its spots!

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 12:38 pm

        Nancy – it will be really interesting to see what happens after the trial ends. Even though the backlash against the 2 “experts” is so great now, if it means high ratings plus a leopard, well…………………………….. 😉

      • 04/07/2013 at 12:41 pm

        Just a thought and absolutely no foundation whatsoever.. but perhaps Dr Shill is pulling a Clinton. Maybe there is basis for the story but because the payments are coming out of some affiliated business account technically he isn’t paying it.

        Just chucking it out there as I’m working on something else at the moment and not fully reading all the posts about it.

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 12:51 pm

        I think that is EXACTLY what is happening Syn. He’s totally using a play on words and a technicality!!!!!

      • 04/07/2013 at 12:53 pm

        lol oops just read above and thats what Stark is saying… well if the shoe fits as it does in this case……

      • 04/07/2013 at 1:06 pm

        well in view of this : Robin and I are praying for the Alexander family it better not turn out he’s pulling a Clinton with it because that denial is pathological if false.

        By the way I’ve only seen the show once maybe twice. Both times it ended with his wife skipping up to the stage and it was so *fingers down the throat* sickening it, gave me the heebeegeebees. Really creepy.

        Maybe just me, anyone else know what I mean or am I the only one? Is that even the right show?.

      • 04/07/2013 at 1:10 pm

        gah didn’t close italics! poop!

      • 04/07/2013 at 1:12 pm

        bbl… MMD no more watching La La Toilette *waves finger pointedly* you need to flush and be ready for The Juan tomorrow!!!

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 4:03 pm

        No more, I promise Syn!!!!!

  87. Schaeffer
    04/07/2013 at 1:15 pm

    I have a question for an LDS member, please. I have read some things on-line, but I realize these can be misinterpreted if taken out of context, may be outdated, or may be just completely wrong.

    Re: bathing, especially for young men: I read “When you bathe, do not admire yourself in a mirror. Never stay in the bath more than five or six minutes–just long enough to bathe and dry and dress AND THEN GET OUT OF THE BATHROOM.”

    Does the church still teach this principle? Does it still recommend removing mirrors from the home? (I assume a mirror over the sink is OK for health reasons, like shaving, grooming, etc.)

    I’m asking because if Travis was raised with these principles, it makes sense he considered his time in the shower “private” and didn’t want anyone in the bathroom while he showered. Thus, taking the shower photos, he was under a duress non-LDS are not necessarily aware of. It further emphasizes how desperate he was to get rid of WOBO, and just went along with the photos so she would leave.

    • Observer
      04/07/2013 at 3:21 pm

      I think that must be a joke because I have never heard of anything so absurd. I have four boys and they are bigger primpers than my four girls.

      LDS members aren’t unlike other Christians. We are taught to follow the Golden Rule, believe in God the father, his son Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost and to follow the gospel of Jesus Christ. We are taught to treat our body like a temple and that’s why we don’t smoke or drink alcohol or caffeine, use illegal drugs or have sex outside of marriage. Church, marriage and family are our priority.

      I had to laugh when LaViolette characterized Travis as an abuser because he gave Jodi and another non LDS woman the Book of Mormon to read and encouraged Jodi once she was baptized to date only LDS members. That is standard procedure for all LDS members. If Jodi was a real LDS member she would know that.

      The LDS Church sponsors singles wards and singles dances so LDS young men and women can meet. It is very unusual for a devout LDS member not to be married and have kids by the time he or she is 30. Most LDS men and some women go on a two year LDS mission at 19. His girlfriend waits for him and they are married in the LDS temple by the age of 21. Once you are married in the temple, you are married for all eternity.

      If he doesn’t have a girlfriend when he gets back from his mission, his priority is to meet an LDS woman and marry in the LDS Temple. Many LDS men and women attend LDS universities in Utah, Idaho and Hawaii and marry before they graduate and start families. Devout LDS families usually have between six and 13 children.

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 4:15 pm

        One question – I thought that caffeine was allowed now???

      • Observer
        04/07/2013 at 4:25 pm

        The Word of Wisdom says “strong drink” is prohibited. Our interpretation is no caffeine.
        Most devout LDS do not drink coffee or tea unless it is decaffeinated. Travis didn’t use any caffeine.

      • Anonymous
        04/07/2013 at 7:43 pm

        I’m sorry but strong drink is not interpreted as caffeine. It has been determined to be coffee and tea (caffeinated or not) Caffeine has never been prohibited. And it was recently clarified by the Church

      • Ken
        04/07/2013 at 7:55 pm

        Devout Mormons have as many or as few children as they feel they can support. As far as strong drink being interpreted as caffeine is totally false. It is coffee and tea, caffeine is not a factor, as has recently been explained by the church in regards to soft drinks. Drinking decaf coffee or tea is still drinking coffee and tea.

      • Moon
        04/07/2013 at 9:18 pm

        ty again! what an education i’m getting. i appreciate your sharing of knowledge 🙂

    • Observer
      04/07/2013 at 5:56 pm

      Schaeffer, Travis was desperate to get rid of Jodi because he had told the evil sociopath off in May and told her to leave him alone for good and in June she turns up in his house.

  88. Katie
    04/07/2013 at 1:31 pm

    I know Jody said she never got medical treatment for her finger because she didn’t want to hurt Travis…nonsense…she could have told them she fell ect…why can’t she be made to get an x-ray and prove the finger was never broken but it was a cut tendon…this is such an important point and I don’t understand why it isn’t made clear

    • Chrissie A
      04/07/2013 at 2:29 pm

      Hi Katie, A few of us have been questioning that also, Det. Flores actually points out to her in one of the early interrogation tapes that he has seen wounds like that before. I’m guessing it could be bought up in rebuttal.

    • Schaeffer
      04/07/2013 at 3:47 pm

      When WOBO is showing Det. Flores where her finger is injured, and he tells her he knows it is a wound caused by a knife slipping, did you notice her finger is not yet contracted? She is desperately trying to show him where she got cut but “unfortunately, it’s right in the crease, so you can’t see it” and he is not buying it. That alone PROVES when it happened. Her finger has continued to contract as the cut tendon has healed without treatment.

      Her story about Travis making a splint out of popsicle sticks is absurd. I’m surprised she didn’t say he fell back on his Boy Scout training and fetched a limb from a tree, whittled it down to just the right size, then secured it with reeds and grasses he braided into twine. Finger splints cost about $2 at any retail store that sells health & beauty aids. Trying to tie popsicle sticks on a finger, if anyone was stupid enough to try it, would be damn near impossible.

  89. Crystal Harris
    04/07/2013 at 1:37 pm

    I have to admit to you all I’ve been in talks to appear on the Dr Phil show. Something had been holding me back and I really felt unsure about the whole thing. They wanted to do a show on spousal rape. I never watch Dr Phil. But a lot of people I know who do watch his show were urging me to do it telling me that my story could really have an impact on his audience demographic. I did Anderdon Cooper about 15 months ago and that went well, but Dr Phil have me reservations.
    And now this with Arias! It really takes me off the fence. I’m not going on his show. At least not until more time and evidence proves he is not supporting the Arias’ in any way.
    I am doing an interview this Tuesday with Dateline NBC anyway. They have been “following” my story for a long time and are finally ready to put it all together. I’m excited for this. I haven’t done an hourly news show format yet. The closest I came was Nightline, but that was only about a 12 min piece.

    • Chrissie A
      04/07/2013 at 2:17 pm

      Hi Crystal, I think it is a good call not to go on Dr. Phil as you would be in effect endorsing him.

      • Chrissie A
        04/07/2013 at 3:01 pm

        Also congrats on the Dateline interview! Any idea of the air date? It would be great if it were shown soon so that some pertinent DV information gets publicized on the mainstream media, rather than all this ALV nonsense.

    • Crystal Harris
      04/07/2013 at 3:37 pm

      I am told the interview won’t air til May or June. Believe me, this Dateline story has been over a year in the making. I was beginning to think they forgot about me. But the producer stayed in touch with me and finally called me a couple weeks ago to say we are “really moving forward” now!

      • Chrissie A
        04/07/2013 at 4:07 pm

        Excellent Crystal! That’s still a good air date, can’t wait to see the footage 🙂

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 4:19 pm

      I agree with Chrissie – stay away from Dr. Phil. Anderson Cooper I would always trust plus Dateline, which is from the news section of NBC, is going to be more interested in the facts than sensationalizing your story for ratings. Congrats on sharing and your interview. If you know the date, I would love to watch!!!

    • NancyB
      04/07/2013 at 6:52 pm

      Thanks so much for sharing this info Crystal. Anderson Cooper is in an entirely different league than Dr. Shill, IMO. While I do think that your friends have made a decent case for the need to reach the demographic that normally watches him. Great that you are taping a Dateline show! Please make sure to let us know when it will air. I am so proud of you and all that you have accomplished!!! I would also recommend a Dr Drew segment. I’m thrilled that you are reticent to dive in with Dr Shill. Time will tell. I will never trust him again after all the egregious shenanigans that he pulled during the CA trial and aftermath.

  90. Chrissie A
    04/07/2013 at 2:19 pm

    MMD :

    MMD & JuanBaby just spotted in Vegas – dare I share this exclusive?

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 4:22 pm

      Well the Mitigation Specialist, who is reading this, saw us so I guess soon everyone will know cause ya can be guaranteed that Wurmi will try to use that to ask for a mistrial 😉

      • Chrissie A
        04/07/2013 at 4:24 pm
      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 4:30 pm

        I love, love, love it and I see ya caught the ALV barf bag! ROFL 🙂

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 4:31 pm

        Because of all the people JM had to put his foil hat back on for protection plus he wanted to match me! 🙂

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 4:33 pm

        Syn – hey Syn – yep we’re on a world tour!!!!! 🙂

      • 04/07/2013 at 4:45 pm

        I know why Juan baby has the tin foil hat equipped…………..

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 5:20 pm

        Syn you shooosh!!!!!!!!!! 🙂

    • Tracey A
      04/07/2013 at 6:08 pm

      LMAO!!! Dang it Chrissie! I was just trying to get caught up here (scrolling from bottom to top; backwards, I know) and came across this. Now I have to wait until I can see again from tears of laughter. MMD – Love your handbag, Dear! Excellent choice as always. But Chrissie your pic at Circus Circus is so perfect! *tin foil hat’s off to you* !

      • Chrissie A
        04/07/2013 at 6:13 pm

        Hi Trace!!! The bag can be instantly converted into one of barf – lol! Glad you got some joy from it honey 😛

      • NancyB
        04/07/2013 at 6:58 pm

        LOL – A world tour too! You both look mighty fine! I love Chrissie’s attention to details!!!

  91. 04/07/2013 at 2:39 pm

    Does JA have a police record for selling drugs when she was young? Did she sell pot for extra money..She sure had alot of money for her travels..Did she sell her friends pot to get money for her trip..

  92. Chrissie A
    04/07/2013 at 2:40 pm

    FYI – JA Journal entries courtesy of Dr. Kristina Randle:

    http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-journal-entries-2/

    • 04/07/2013 at 2:54 pm

      Wow …a few paragraphs down she says how her phone was stolen and there was a 10 pg. scandalous text message and 1 or 2 tapes that were equally scandalous on this phone..

    • Observer
      04/07/2013 at 5:06 pm

      Timeline for murder premeditation

      May 22, 2008 – Travis tells Jodi by phone they are over and he plans to marry Mimi Hall.

      May 23, 2008 – Jodi calls Ryan Byrnes and says she is coming to see him in Utah and calls Daryl and says she needs to borrow his gas cans because she has to get to Mesa, AZ.

      May 28, 2008- Jodi stages a burglary of her grandparents house and steals antique .25 gun which fits neatly in her purse and ammunition, which fits in her suitcase.

      June 2, 2008 – Jodi rents a white car 90 miles from Yreka and begins her road trip to hell.

      June 4, 2008 – Jodi stabs Travis Alexander 29 times, slits his throat and shoots him with her grandfather’s stolen .25 caliber gun.

      June 5, 2008 – Jodi show ups on Ryan Byrne’s arm at a PPL convention in Salt Lake City, Utah as an alibi.

      June 6, 2008, Jodi drives back to Yreka, CA.

      June 9, 2008 – Travis Alexander’s body is found and when the 911 operator asks who could have murdered him, the caller names his ex girlfriend Jodi Arias who has been stalking him and slashing his tires.

      June 10, 2008 Jodi Arias calls Detective Flores at the crime scene and tells him it had to be two murderers because Travis weighed almost 200 lbs. and had been working out to go to Cancun and one person couldn’t overpower him.

      • 04/07/2013 at 5:53 pm

        Hope the great Juan puts that timeline up on a big screen. That’s a good enough case for pre-meditation right there.

  93. 04/07/2013 at 2:42 pm

    Somehow my name changed in #297.. Oh well I can use this as well

  94. Allison
    04/07/2013 at 2:59 pm

    I hope this works – it is SNL Disney Housewives – with Snow White !!!!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/07/2013 at 3:42 pm

      Ah! only able to be seen in the USA (Hula) Thank God for You-Tube!!!

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 4:26 pm

        I don’t get Hulu either Robert!!!

  95. Anonymous
    04/07/2013 at 3:35 pm

    hey ya’ll. I’m interested in Violette’s cancelations, etc. What’s going on?

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 4:28 pm

      backlash from the true domestic violence community!!!

  96. MMD
    04/07/2013 at 4:02 pm

    Syntara :
    well in view of this : Robin and I are praying for the Alexander family it better not turn out he’s pulling a Clinton with it because that denial is pathological if false.
    By the way I’ve only seen the show once maybe twice. Both times it ended with his wife skipping up to the stage and it was so *fingers down the throat* sickening it, gave me the heebeegeebees. Really creepy.
    Maybe just me, anyone else know what I mean or am I the only one? Is that even the right show?.

    Yep you found the right show and when he first got his show (maybe the first year) I thought he was ok but I was never a regular watcher. Then he worsened as the years went by so that even the occasional clips I would catch were too much. I guess it’s what some people want because he gets the highest ratings during the daytime. Then again sooooooooooooo many people watch reality tv and I refuse to watch any (DWTS DOES NOT COUNT!!!)

    Truly, I’d rather read a book any day 🙂

  97. MMD
    04/07/2013 at 4:09 pm

    Schaeffer :
    Her story about Travis making a splint out of popsicle sticks is absurd. I’m surprised she didn’t say he fell back on his Boy Scout training and fetched a limb from a tree, whittled it down to just the right size, then secured it with reeds and grasses he braided into twine. anyone was stupid enough

    ROFL – I’m sure if she had thought of it she would have said it!!!! 🙂 That is too funny Schaeffer!!!!

  98. Katie
    04/07/2013 at 4:14 pm

    I saw an interview with Jodi’s babysitter…stated she couldn’t leave Jodie with her brother because she abused him..one time even hit him over the head with a baseball bat…babysitter stated Jodie didn’t even seem sorry she did it…I wish the just could hear this.

    • 04/07/2013 at 5:13 pm

      remember we are still to hear from Juan’s psychologist I suspect a lot of this will be born out then.

    • Lisa M
      04/07/2013 at 9:37 pm

      I wonder if the babysitter brought this to the parents’ attention or if they were aware of this type of behavior.

  99. Katie
    04/07/2013 at 4:14 pm

    sorry should have stated jury not just

  100. Chrissie A
    04/07/2013 at 4:35 pm

    MMD :
    Because of all the people JM had to put his foil hat back on for protection plus he wanted to match me!

    I think it’s because you are at Circus-Circus, who knows what you could be exposed to there 🙂

  101. Chrissie A
    04/07/2013 at 4:57 pm

    Juans’ Moves in slo mo:
    :

    • 04/07/2013 at 5:09 pm

      and by the way on that collage after it… why the hell did she drink backwards on the stand… did she learn to perfect he drinking affect in front of a mirror??? THAT is sooo weird in view of Dr Bob Hare’s comment re they practice in front of a mirror. Nobody drinks like that!

      • Chrissie A
        04/07/2013 at 5:17 pm

        I rarely see her drink like that at the defense table, (I have been checking) as it is another of her annoying attributes.

      • 04/07/2013 at 5:30 pm

        yeah so I’m wondering it it was ONLY for the stand … it looks all wrong whatever she’s doing I’m going to do it in front of a mirror it’s got me curious why it’s backwards, apart from she maybe swapped natural hands so it looks awkward, plus she drank a hell of a lot more often on that stand than she does at the defense table

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 5:24 pm

        Maybe it’s her version of Wurmi’s chicken wing??????

      • 04/07/2013 at 5:46 pm

        ok got is sussed!

        I reckon it is mirror related. She could have stood in front of the mirror to perfect a drinking move that shows her fingers to the jury. That’s her left hand isn’t it? and the fingers are towards the jury correct?

      • NancyB
        04/07/2013 at 7:04 pm

        OMG!!!! I am soooo glad that you brought this up because it drove me batty. What in the heck was she doing? Now that she’s at the defense table, she no longer does it. Very strange.

      • SCK
        04/07/2013 at 8:16 pm

        I think I missed something – what are you talking about? (I know I don’t comment very often – I get more out of what you all have to say)!

  102. Tami Marie Bancroft
    04/07/2013 at 5:07 pm

    From reading some of Jody’s journal entries it sounds to me she could be seeing all her issues in Travis, but truth is it is all about Jody Ann Aries let’s keep the focus on her only. Abusers often times will blame the victim for is behaviors and in this case Jody could be the abuser. I think she murdered Travis for many reasons until we finish watching the trial. I also believe the last email from Travis to Jody really angered her to the day of killing. Any other insights?

  103. njrose
    04/07/2013 at 5:41 pm

    Hi everyone. I found this site last month ….., don’t remember how, but so glad I did ! And, it’s about time I joined in to say “thank you” to Donchais and this fantastic group. I admit, I’ve been feeling alone in my obsession to see justice for Travis & the Alexander family. So, it’s really nice to know there are others who feel as I do. When I’m frustrated about the ridiculous tactics of the defense, I’m brought back to the horrors of the Casey Anthony outcome and get that sick feeling in my stomach But, then I pop in here because I know I’ll find much needed hope and humor on this site. And, I can continue to believe that there can and will be justice for Travis. So, thank you all for keeping me company and for keeping me hopeful. And, I’ll be right here tomorrow after work, excited to ready about “Juan’s Wrath”. Have a good evening !
    Rose

    • Laine
      04/07/2013 at 6:34 pm

      Hi Rose, Welcome to the mad house! Jump right in and feel at home 🙂

      • njrose
        04/08/2013 at 7:01 am

        Thanks for the welcome, Laine. I’m so looking forward to today …… go Juan !!!

  104. Chrissie A
    04/07/2013 at 5:42 pm

    Syntara :
    yeah so I’m wondering it it was ONLY for the stand … it looks all wrong whatever she’s doing I’m going to do it in front of a mirror it’s got me curious why it’s backwards, apart from she maybe swapped natural hands so it looks awkward, plus she drank a hell of a lot more often on that stand than she does at the defense table

    I read somewhere a while back that it was a deliberate move, to show that she was confident and in control while on the stand, IOW an attempt to control the situation.

    • 04/07/2013 at 5:51 pm

      see my comment above Chrissie then look again see what you think?

  105. Wendy
    04/07/2013 at 5:55 pm

    Hey everyone! Hope you’re all having a great day. Just wanted to pop in and say hi.

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 6:25 pm

      hi back 🙂

  106. Chrissie A
    04/07/2013 at 6:01 pm

    Syntara :
    ok got is sussed!
    I reckon it is mirror related. She could have stood in front of the mirror to perfect a drinking move that shows her fingers to the jury. That’s her left hand isn’t it? and the fingers are towards the jury correct?

    Yep, her fingers are always pointed towards the jury, and it is her left hand, which she claims to be her natural hand, but there again she stated that she is ambidextrous – it seems to me that it is a premeditated move, hence the reason it looks unnatural.

    • 04/07/2013 at 6:14 pm

      yeah saying.. see my fingers look normal… remember this was probably after the photo of her relaxed hand over the sisters shoulder showing no injury….after she claimed it had been injured.

      Juan hit her with that straight away on her first day if I remember rightly. and it was the first thing Perky addressed on her re-direct (if that’s correct terminology) get what I’m saying?

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 6:16 pm

        yep re-direct is correct and you’re right, that’s the first thing Gidget talked about.

      • 04/07/2013 at 6:23 pm

        The difference is when slightly bent it is hard to see the injury.. but the hand over the shoulder is relaxed. When she has it around the cup her fingers are bent ie look normal which is why she displays them in this way to the jury…. when she draped her arm over Perky she deliberately cupped her hands slightly so the bent one is not noticeable…

        but relaxed I bet there’s a huge difference and that’s what’s needed to compare to that photo Juan used.. wobo is not in any hurry to show it relaxed but during her testimony on direct she waves her hands around in relaxed mode and it’s very distinct.

  107. MMD
    04/07/2013 at 6:10 pm

    I was just on Amazon and somebody from AZ gave ALV’s book 5 stars, Maybe it’s the defense or ALV herself!!! People are coming down hard on any positive comments. I’m not surprised that the backlash is nation, maybe worldwide, because DV survivors are truly offended!!!

    • 04/07/2013 at 6:19 pm

      I wonder if her demeanor on the stand will change after all of this damaging publicity? She must be seriously questioning what she has done; defending that monster’s actions and assassinating the character of the TRUE victim in this case.

      Hey, wait a minute!…isn’t character assassination considered abuse in ALV’s book? She’s killed Travis twice now.

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 6:24 pm

        Yep and she saw nothing wrong with it. I’m sure this weekend was a wake-up call for her. It’ll be interesting week to say the least!

      • 04/07/2013 at 6:25 pm

        high end abuse according to La la Toilette’s testimony.. made note of it at the time.

    • Chrissie A
      04/07/2013 at 6:24 pm

      It’s all an attempt at damage control, (also the reason for her brand new FB page) it will take them eons to undo the damage that has been done on Amazon. But of course anything can be bought in this day and age and ALV is no stranger to that trait 😉

    • NancyB
      04/07/2013 at 7:10 pm

      They have been very very busy posting 5 star reviews. I checked yesterday and there are pages and pages of the newest reviews that are positive. She also has that stupid support facebook page that Crystal referenced upstairs that has that highly inappropriate title.

  108. Chrissie A
    04/07/2013 at 6:18 pm

    Janeto :
    LOL! Heaven forbid if Syn ever diagnosed me!! I’d probably end up committed somewhere due to this trial! Syn, don’t read into what I post.. tee hee

    Hey Janet, we seem to be on here uncontemperaniously lol!! Miss seeing your posts, and yes, totally with you on the comment above, I would be in one of those white, tightly wrapped outfits, you know, the ones with all the fancy belts?

    • 04/07/2013 at 6:32 pm

      like War of the Worlds… cue oooooaaaaaaaa

      “No one would have believed in the last months of the Jodin Arias Trial that this world was being watched keenly and closely by intelligences greater than man’s and yet as mortal as his own”

      • 04/07/2013 at 6:40 pm

        they were scrutinised and studied, perhaps almost as narrowly as a man with a microscope might scrutinise the transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water.”

        cue **ooooooooaaaaaaaaaaa*

        (for those unfamiliar with Jeff Wayne’s “war of the worlds” production, disregard these two comments 😀 )

      • Chrissie A
        04/07/2013 at 6:42 pm

      • 04/07/2013 at 6:50 pm

        For those wondering… listen to the very beginning of this:

        http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&v=AEWRqMCxza0

  109. Laine
    04/07/2013 at 6:42 pm

    Evening all….well evening for me 🙂 So with waders, tinfoil hats, and now jackets with fancy belts…I think we’re all set to go party!! lol What a sight we would all be! 😛

    • 04/07/2013 at 6:44 pm

      Hey Laine… 🙂

      • Laine
        04/07/2013 at 7:19 pm

        Hey Syn, Hey Chrissie, Interesting link to all evidence submitted:
        s1352.photobucket.com/user/tabularas…
        Might be useful for research for you.

    • Chrissie A
      04/07/2013 at 6:45 pm

      Hi Laine!! I would say we would probably stand out in the crowd, especially with MMD in her flannels – lol

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 6:53 pm

        especially my colours of red plaid, green and the silver foil. Just like a Christmas present waiting to be opened!!! ROFL 🙂

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 6:50 pm

      Hey Laine ****waves*****

      • Laine
        04/07/2013 at 7:04 pm

        Hey honey ***waves back**** I think your flannels would look awesome! touch of colour never hurts 🙂

  110. MMD
    04/07/2013 at 6:52 pm

    Since Chrissie got me back on YouTube I simply had to watch and post this again. What can I say, ALV watch and be very worried about tomorrow!!!!!

  111. Chrissie A
    04/07/2013 at 6:53 pm

    Syntara :
    (for those unfamiliar with Jeff Wayne’s “war of the worlds” production, disregard these two comments )

  112. Chrissie A
    04/07/2013 at 7:02 pm

    MMD :
    especially my colours of red plaid, green and the silver foil. Just like a Christmas present waiting to be opened!!! ROFL

    Brazen hussy ~giggle~

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 7:11 pm

      Yepper!!! what can I say – I meet all my men in flannel 😉

      • Chrissie A
        04/07/2013 at 7:16 pm

        I do hope the others are platonic and you are being faithful to JuanBaby? As all fairness, he does put in a lot of hours 😉

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 7:30 pm

        Absolutely!!!!!!! The only way I HAVE ever been! TRUTH!!!!

  113. Chrissie A
    04/07/2013 at 7:06 pm

    Syntara :

    Thoughts on this regarding Searcy? It behooves me to remind all of him but it could be of worthy of a comment or two…

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rjje9o

    • Chrissie A
      04/07/2013 at 7:12 pm

      I’m in moderation, sorry Donchais :- ( I hope you are having a restful weekend and we are not bugging you too much 🙂

      • Tracey A
        04/07/2013 at 8:01 pm

        I completely forgot that JA called GS on the June 5 to say he was dead. Is that a fact for sure??? If so, GS’s actions, or lack thereof, is highly suspicious! He’s just so friggin’ slimy!

      • Chrissie A
        04/07/2013 at 8:18 pm

        I just replied under Syn’s comment honey 🙂

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 7:35 pm

      I think he is on to something. Why did he not say anything or was it all a setup from the beginning from JA and he got played??? Or is he looking for his 15 minutes which have already passed??

    • 04/07/2013 at 7:50 pm

      Ok I’ll do my best to explain this in a relatively concise manner.

      Wobo is a succubus, concubine, seductress, siren any or all of those types of ‘mythological’ creatures.

      She loves collecting minions.

      Gus Searcy, Matt McCartney, Darryl Brewer, Dr Dodgy seem to be four most under her thrall.

      She uses these ‘suckers’ in a parasitic way while seducing them with her demure, soft voiced beguiling persona.

      Men who are not confident in their physical attractiveness and crave feminine attention, or are, for some other reason, insecure with themselves would be major targets to her. These are easier to enthrall and keep on a string because they want her attention and feel a need to help her because she would play the innocent victim to gain their protective instincts.

      This is why the waterworks at Gus’ trailer. Could even have been Matt on the end of that phone or the whole thing contrived for Gus’ benefit. She could have been gaslighting.. if Travis was on the other end he may have been going “wtf”??? All about manipulating Searcy and keeping him bewitched.

      She also seems to have played a similar card with La La Toilette and possibly Perky how… not sure probably because they have to convince themselves she’s not what she is, to be able to do what they are doing.

      Most women would see straight through it, which is why it only seems to be men she’s had as long term friends she turned to.

      Make sense?

      • Tracey A
        04/07/2013 at 8:07 pm

        Perfect sense!

      • Chrissie A
        04/07/2013 at 8:17 pm

        Syn got that about the succubus and she no doubt weaved her web around all of them – My reason for posting is that Jose is usually careful about what he posts, but if the facts were absolute, surely the police would have charged Searcy
        as a possible accomplice to the crime? Guess that’s a WhereIsShe question 😉

    • Allison
      04/07/2013 at 8:36 pm

      Do you remember at the end of Gus’ testiphony that Juan asked him for the name of the person in his car when he got a phone call from Jodi and he took the “Fifth” ??? What was up with THAT???

      • Tracey A
        04/07/2013 at 9:11 pm

        Hi Allison! It was all unnecessary drama on his part. His 15 minutes of fame so to speak. It turned out to be nothing…see posts further downstairs. 🙂

  114. 04/07/2013 at 7:17 pm

    So………….. to summarise the backwards drinking on the stand: –

    1. Jodie claims in direct Travis kicked and injured her hand in Jan 2008 (hope date is right)

    2. Opening cross Juan produces photo after date Jodi claimed showing hand relaxed over sisters shoulder showing no sign of an injury.

    3. Defense worried about this instructs Jody to perfect a drinking style where her fingers on the left hand to not show injury.

    4. Jodi creates the backward drinking style and makes sure she drinks a lot on stand to show hand to jury. Fingers are bent so injury not obvious.

    5. On re-direct Perky opens with demonstration of Jodi putting her hand over Perky’s shoulder… BUT Jodi cups her fingers to disguise injury. Not direct comparison to photo in which Jodi’s hand is relaxed.

    6. So far nothing further has been debated on this.

    • 04/07/2013 at 7:34 pm

      I have never hung with Travis kicking her finger and breaking it unless he had on steel toed boots (the work kind). I just cannot picture kicking hard enough when a hand goes up to break it. If he kicked her that hard in the ribs she would have been sore for weeks. That is the finger she showed Flores that she said she cut. Rest my case~

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 7:36 pm

        The end!!!

      • 04/07/2013 at 7:54 pm

        No the story is obviously crap that really isn’t an issue to me anyhow. I knowm she did it on the knife. Like Det Flores, I know that is a typical injury. 1000’s of documented cases. What JM is trying to do is show he story is false by saying… look at the photo it’s not possible the injury was done when she says it was.

    • Tracey A
      04/07/2013 at 8:15 pm

      Syn – After watching hours and hours of the interrogation tapes with Det. Flores, I watched intently each time she laid her hands flat on the table in front of her. I NEVER saw the bent finger. I too, suspect she sustained the injury during the murder of Travis OR in order to conform to her “story” that Travis broke it during one of his “abusive tirades” she broke it HERSELF!

      How many times have we seen a defendant inflict personal injury (usually rather minimal in comparison to the victim’s sustained injuries) on themselves to “show” that they too were “attacked” during the commission of the crime. Too many that I can conjure up at the moment.

      • Jay
        04/07/2013 at 10:22 pm

        Re: finger

        I don’t know if this was already mentioned or not, but a recent HLN show one of the hosts ( Vinnie Politan I think) showed side by side two entries from Arias’ journal, one a day or two before she claims Travis twisted her finger, and the other a day or two after the alleged injury … Her handwriting was exactly the same on both pages, and following pages too. The finger is on the same hand she writes with (he showed a clip of her in court writing notes).

        If the finger was wrenched when she claims it was, she would have trouble holding a pen or pencil, let alone maintaining the same exact penmanship.

  115. 04/07/2013 at 7:22 pm

    Question: did the backwards drinking style appear only after Juan started his cross…. or was it there during direct?

    • Chrissie A
      04/07/2013 at 7:57 pm

      I’ve just scanned almost all of the footage from her first testiphony with Nurmi and she doesn’t appear to have any water action going – I am kinda gobsmacked! Will have to review again to be sure 😉

      • 04/07/2013 at 8:01 pm

        Im sure thats the reason, it makes perfect sense. But keep looking!

      • Chrissie A
        04/07/2013 at 8:19 pm

        Will do, I’m trying to catch the first time she took a drink on the stand, may not get this till tomorrow 😉

      • Laine
        04/07/2013 at 8:05 pm

        Posted below before I saw this but….Yup very strange!! I think Syn might be onto something here!

    • Laine
      04/07/2013 at 8:04 pm

      Interesting Syn I have scanned through 3 vids so far of JA on direct with Nurmi and she hasn’t poured or drank one sip of water!!

      • Chrissie A
        04/07/2013 at 8:24 pm

        Lol Laine! Great minds as usual! We are so on the same wavelength! I have to cook for all in a bit, so let me know if you don’t get thru them all and I’ll take it from where you left off ~hugs~

  116. Laine
    04/07/2013 at 7:35 pm

    Interesting theory of where the murder weapons were dumped by Chris Stark…My only reservation…I don’t think she would have held onto them this long. She didn’t know when Travis might be discovered and I think she would have dumped them sooner…

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rjkf78

    • MMD
      04/07/2013 at 7:39 pm

      I have so many of her twitlonger tabs open I’m seeing cross-eyed!!!! I think all the evidence was long gone way before that – well before she even made it to the Hoover Dam. jmo

      • Laine
        04/07/2013 at 7:42 pm

        I agree MMD, it’s an intersting theory….but I think she dumped as soon as possible. On another note….this just in on Twitter:

        chris stark @stark3923 8m
        Dr Phil atty Charles Babcock contact me last night @ 10:51pm and demanded a Retraction N Deletion. I said NO! Gave him my address to sue me!

      • MMD
        04/07/2013 at 7:44 pm

        Good for her!!!! If she didn’t know that producers had been visiting JA in jail she would not have posted it. They’re just trying to bully her!

    • Chrissie A
      04/07/2013 at 7:54 pm

      I agree, but this article made me think about the point that nothing JA does is normal and the fact that she likes to (and is good at hiding things) so it could be plausible.

    • 04/07/2013 at 8:12 pm

      wow! I think this makes sense.. she could have had it taped under the car.. she had been playing with the number plates.. who knows. But she is soooo much into symbology this really is a very good theory if you consider her psychological make-up.

      However, after the plan went so wrong at the house did she dispose of them elsewhere to be on the safe side?

      My gut says this lake, but my head says earlier. But then she loves the thrill of the game and what bigger thrill than driving all that way with the murder weapons still hidden under the car or wherever they may have been? I am leaning towards Chris Stark’s tweet at the moment. It makes soooo much sense with what she is and does, the symbology is very very strong and that’s what rules her. Plus she said she disposed of them in the desert… well we know that’s a reasonably good reason NOT to think they are in the desert.

      • Chrissie A
        04/07/2013 at 8:30 pm

        Plus the fact that she clearly planned this for quite a while beforehand, so wouldn’t she also plan for the disposal of the weapons etc.?

      • 04/07/2013 at 8:41 pm

        yes you would think so.

      • Tracey A
        04/07/2013 at 9:04 pm

        Dang it! You are just too fast! My thoughts exactly! See my response below. When I saw this Twit, it was like an ah-ha moment.

        She may very well have driven it to the lake. She thinks she’s so invincible anyways.

        My brain and fingers are just so slow today. This “fog” needs to clear up before tomorrow, that’s for sure!

    • Tracey A
      04/07/2013 at 8:30 pm

      This is entirely plausible. Crater Lake is the deepest lake in the U.S. at over 1900′. There is only one place you can actually access the lake itself. The rest is a giant caldera with steep drop offs and many places to pull over lending to possibility of throwing something off the side and easily hitting the water 100’s of feet below.

      My only problem is that I can’t reconcile her wanting to have this evidence being found in her car if she were pulled over by police. She had a lot of mileage ahead of her when she left SLC. And she had no way of knowing when Travis’ body might be found despite her attempts to delay it (“cranking up the AC mentioned upstairs or previous thread”).

      But the symbolic nature of her wanting to drop the evidence into Crater Lake is not lost on me.

      • Nancy Pennington
        04/07/2013 at 9:43 pm

        But Crater Lake is approx 2 hrs north of Yreka so why would she make that trip to dispose of the weapons ?? Did I miss something ?? Are you thinking she did this before going home after SLC??? That is a four hr round trip .

  117. MMD
    04/07/2013 at 7:42 pm

    OK kiddies – I’ve been on here for over 12 hours and since JM tired me out this weekend, I need my beauty sleep. So until tomorrow When The HEAT IS JUAN I bid ya all a goodnight. 🙂

    ***********waves ******** and {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ }}}}}}}}}}}}} to all. TTFN

    • Chrissie A
      04/07/2013 at 7:51 pm

      Nightie Nite MMD Juanlovely dreams ~hugs~

    • 04/07/2013 at 7:56 pm

      sleep well! byeeee 4 now

    • Laine
      04/07/2013 at 7:58 pm

      Night honey :)*****waves back**********

    • Moon
      04/07/2013 at 8:00 pm

      o gn (((mmd))sdz of juan!! sorry i missed you.

    • Tracey A
      04/07/2013 at 8:18 pm

      LOL!! Nite nite MMD. Sorry I missed chattin’ with you today. Too much catch-up going since I was gone yesterday. Looking forward to the fast and furious tomorrow during the “Wrath of Juan”. **waves back**

  118. Moon
    04/07/2013 at 7:57 pm

    Hi ev1 great comments and posts and links, ty so much! i was just reading that twitter post re ole gus. so true. i remember him saying too that he didn’t want to say who was in his car when he and chris hughes were talking. does anyone know the date of that call? I’ve wondered if it was Hodi in the car? but didn’t know the date, if she had already been arrested by then. anyone know? ty

    also still curious if anyone knows the date the engagement ring was stolen…. still curious if she hawked it of=r kept it. I’m already getting butterflies for trial to start~!!! big grin

    • 04/07/2013 at 8:22 pm

      Hiiiii Moon 😀

      • Moon
        04/07/2013 at 8:29 pm

        backatcha! 🙂 did you not sleep at all? lol what time is it there? i have a new cup of coffee going here and watching jm cross exam again. i love juan!!

      • 04/07/2013 at 8:40 pm

        yeah I slept heaps 🙂

    • Tracey A
      04/07/2013 at 8:38 pm

      Hi Moon! Re: Who was in GS’s car. He divulged later that it was a client of his. He just did his whole drama thing on the stand for attention.

      BTW – I’ve been reading through the posts from today and yesterday and you’ve got some “beauties” out there! Thanks for some great laughs! 🙂

      • Moon
        04/07/2013 at 8:55 pm

        hiii Tracey. I had heard he said it was a “client” wasnt hodi his client … in a way? he was supposed to be (cough) mentoring her! there are a lot great things her from a lot of great people! did you get a change to see that twitter post re GS from upstairs? that’s what made me think it was possibly the ho but wasn’t sure of the date.

  119. Observer
    04/07/2013 at 8:16 pm

    I find it interesting that it is the defense that first brought up Jodi’s stalking Travis and Jodi herself is heard on tape saying someone slashed Travis’s tires.

    Wilmot said in her opening statement that Travis accused Jodi of stalking him but said he was lying.

    During Detective Flores testimony, Martinez played the Jan. 10, 2008 phone call between Jodi and Flores in which Jodi said “someone was slashing his tires.”

    LaViolette testified that she read emails from Travis to other women which accused Jodi of stalking him.

    The defense is claiming Travis was a liar, jealous, violent and assassinated Jodi’s character.

    Let’s look at the facts:

    1-Jodi admitted on the stand to stabbing Travis 29 times in the heart, chest, back, neck, head, legs, feet, slitting his throat and nearly decapitating him and shooting him in the head.
    2-Jodi admitted on the stand to lying to everybody about the killing for five years.
    3-Jodi admitted to looking through Travis’s cell phone messages and emails and confronting him about talking to other women.
    4-Jodi admitted to peeking in Travis’s window and getting so upset after seeing him making out with another woman that she was crying and confronted him the next day, although they were not in an exclusive relationship at the time.
    5-Jodi testified that Travis is a pedophile and that he physically, sexually and emotionally abused her but has no evidence or witnesses and no evidence was found by the police to corroborate her accusations.
    6-Former girlfriends of Travis, Mimi Hall and Lisa Andrews both testified that Travis had never abused them, never ever pushed sex on them and didn’t get angry when they rejected him but was very understanding.
    7-The phone sex tapes show Jodi called Travis on May 10, 2008 and woke him up, which was why he was yawning and sounding out of it, she recorded the tape and she initiated and participated in the masturbation and sexual fantasies.
    8-Jodi testified that the sexual contact between them was “consensual always” even though Nurmi tried to lead her to say Travis raped her.
    9-The sister and brother who testified for the defense said they had never seen Travis abuse Jodi or call her names and the bickering they witnessed between the two were typical of any couple.
    10-In the text messages LaViolette called “character assassination”, Travis expressed his anger and frustration over how Jodi had lied to him over and over, never loved him, had used him like a dildo with a heartbeat, and hurt him worse than he had ever been hurt by anyone and she ignored his feelings completely.

    • Moon
      04/07/2013 at 8:32 pm

      hi observer. you are so right on. and i couldn’t figure out why defense did that because I thought that tire slashing wasn’t supposed to be brought up. it feels like defense and hodi are almost daring the jury to find her guilty of 1st degree.

      • 04/07/2013 at 8:49 pm

        Not only that… they bring up Travis called her a sociopath!!!

        opens the door for psychiatrist/psychologist assessment … and showing foundation for this.

        They can now say well ya she does present with ASPD…. she IS a sociopath … ergo THAT is not abuse it is merely truth.

        Heaps of other examples but that’s another glaring one.

  120. 04/07/2013 at 8:20 pm

    SCK :
    I think I missed something – what are you talking about? (I know I don’t comment very often – I get more out of what you all have to say)!

    SCK we are talking about the vid in the collage after you watch the video Chrissie posted with the slow mo Juan moves.

    When it ends you get a bunch of clips.. one is about her drinking style on the stand with Juan. That is what we are discussing

    • SCK
      04/07/2013 at 8:40 pm

      Thank you Syn. I’ll take a look again.

  121. Chrissie A
    04/07/2013 at 8:37 pm

    Have to go my lovelies as domesticity is calling, I’ll try to check in later but if not I will be wild eyed and bushy tailed for the testiphony tomorrow ~hugs to all~

    • 04/07/2013 at 8:39 pm

      byeeeeee Chrissie!!

    • Moon
      04/07/2013 at 8:45 pm

      enjoy (((chrissie))) hagn

    • Tracey A
      04/07/2013 at 8:51 pm

      Later Girl! 🙂

  122. 04/07/2013 at 8:39 pm

    Chrissie A :
    Syn got that about the succubus and she no doubt weaved her web around all of them – My reason for posting is that Jose is usually careful about what he posts, but if the facts were absolute, surely the police would have charged Searcy
    as a possible accomplice to the crime? Guess that’s a WhereIsShe question

    Ok the why not charged is not my area… but…. further to what I was trying to say… she gets these guys entwined by either complicity or duplicity . Look how Daryl Brewer admitted she told him Mesa then backpeddled, what else is he lying about for her? (duplicity)

    Matt is hiding something (duplicity)

    Gus is the ultimate sleazebag I think he’d do or say anything the defense told him to AND add and embellish it in any way his twisted mind thought he could.. his main motivation is publicity and attention though. Duplicity possible complicity

    So certainly from a behavioural standpoint – it fits.

    will any of these be charged? – up to the police to decide.

    I’d love to see Searcy thrown in jail! He is another one who makes my skin crawl.

    • Moon
      04/07/2013 at 8:58 pm

      touche’ can’t stand that man! did you watch him on that court show? lolol what a #$%^^&&*(()* shmuck

      • 04/07/2013 at 9:01 pm

        No I didn’t need to watch that sometime might do it after the footy show I’m watching.

      • Tracey A
        04/07/2013 at 9:07 pm

        I did see that Moon. Couldn’t believe he was taken to court by his daughter over furniture as I recall. Every time I see him I feel the need to shower and his slime just oozes out of his every pore.

  123. Tracey A
    04/07/2013 at 8:59 pm

    Moon :
    hiii Tracey. I had heard he said it was a “client” wasnt hodi his client … in a way? he was supposed to be (cough) mentoring her! there are a lot great things her from a lot of great people! did you get a change to see that twitter post re GS from upstairs? that’s what made me think it was possibly the ho but wasn’t sure of the date.

    GS’s went on HLN after he was released from his subpoena and actually mentioned the woman’s name. I forget now what her name was but it was JA. I can’t imagine that GS would actually “lie” about something. 😉

    • 04/07/2013 at 9:04 pm

      don’t think he even needs to lie… think he is so ridiculous he could just not have a clue and just spurts crapola all over the place.

      • Tracey A
        04/07/2013 at 9:05 pm

        LOL! True dat!

    • Moon
      04/07/2013 at 9:14 pm

      ahhh ok… but unless she was already in jail …. just sayin…

  124. Tracey A
    04/07/2013 at 8:59 pm

    sorry *wasn’t JA

    • Regina Silva
      04/08/2013 at 12:18 am

      Just saw this and totatlly blew me. Juros #5 couching Jodi during trial??? Wh, pls somebody help me.

  125. Nancy Pennington
    04/07/2013 at 9:02 pm

    MMD :Sweetie no worries I have totally forgiven you. Please do not set the bar too high for your expectations of my future intelligence. I will however do me level best to amaze you. Hope you enjoy the movie whenever you do get to watch it. Hubby and I did TWICE!! That is what happens when the mind starts to go. We laugh and say we could have 10 DVD ‘s and watch them over and over and not remember them. Oh, senility !!!

  126. Moon
    04/07/2013 at 9:09 pm

    eeeks! i am reading the email the ho sent abe. i bet that guy was just stumpped, prob still shaking his head on that one!

    • 04/07/2013 at 9:16 pm

      Moon.. did I miss this or are you just not sharing… oh lawd… is it on chris stark again.. forgedabout id! *cross eyed emote*

  127. 04/07/2013 at 9:12 pm

    what email?

    • Moon
      04/07/2013 at 9:28 pm

      let me see if i can get that link to you. i started on chris’ page but then linked to the email from someone else on her page. give me a sec, pls my pc is giving me fits again! ty 🙂

  128. Observer
    04/07/2013 at 9:17 pm

    CONFIRMED : Chris and Sky Hughes will not be testifying during rebuttal, nor will Matt McCartney.

    Rebuttal witnesses include: Cancun PPL, Dr Demarte, Gas Station in SLC, Walmart, Det Brown

    • Tracey A
      04/07/2013 at 9:22 pm

      Oh Boy! I’m sorry that the Hughes’ aren’t on there but I can’t wait for the Dr. Demarte, Walmart and Tesoro reps. I think that’s going to be interesting.

    • Family of Law
      04/07/2013 at 9:25 pm

      That’s very disappointing. I wonder why? I would think the encrypted messages from JA in the magazines alone would be enough to want to subpoena Matt M. I trust that JM has good reason- and Chris and Sky Hughes have much to offer in the undoing of the character assassination of Travis- humph!

      • Family of Law
        04/07/2013 at 9:27 pm

        Not to mention, I’d like to know about the forged pedophilia letters, that I strongly suspect MM had a hand in.

      • Moon
        04/07/2013 at 9:44 pm

        that is a bummer! i really wanted to see Juan drill MM.

      • Observer
        04/07/2013 at 10:01 pm

        Family of Law, the state is not going to put Matt McCartney on the stand because he lied for Jodi before about the pedophile letters. The judge has ruled that the pedophile letters cannot come in unless Martinez opens the door so he could not ask Matt about them. They would be very damaging for the prosecution if they come in even if the state expert said they were forged. Matt lied for her before under oath. The prosecution can’t trust him not to lie again. The defense won’t call Matt because he told both the prosecutor and defense attorneys that he did not witness any bruises on her neck and arms as she claimed. Martinez brought up the coded message Jodi tried to smuggle out of jail to try to convince Matt to change his testimony to make sure Matt wouldn’t lie for her on the stand.

      • Crystal Harris
        04/07/2013 at 10:19 pm

        I remember from my case, the prosecutor, who is not your personal atty, wanted the rebuttal case to be very focused. I wanted her to address every single issue raised by the defense, but there were some things she felt didn’t even deserve attention, some things she didn’t want highlighted in the jurors’ minds again, etc. And again, the rebuttal case is the state’s last chance to make an argument. They may want to stick to the very most persuasive points.
        I’m not saying I agree with all this, I’m just giving you what I experienced from the prosecutions’s side of a case, for what it’s worth.

    • Moon
      04/07/2013 at 9:50 pm

      observer, i am also puzzled why the bishop isn’t on the list. Hodi insists that the Bishop told her many details about TA, which of course I don’t believe; but couldn’t he at least be ?’d about whether TA was in a repentance process?

      • Observer
        04/07/2013 at 10:11 pm

        Whether or not Travis was in the repentance progress is irrelevant and has nothing to do with whether Jodi is guilty of first degree murder. The rebuttal case will focus on proving motive, premeditation and disproving her claims of self defense. Martinez had told the court he would be subpoenaing Dave Hall, Travis’s friend to say Travis didn’t own a gun so he will probably be a rebuttal witness also.

  129. Moon
    • 04/07/2013 at 9:54 pm

      yep works thanks heaps Moon 🙂

  130. 04/07/2013 at 9:42 pm

    Further to oregan lake… this works too.. esp in view of JA’s seemingly random mention of being able to see superstition mountain clearly.. think it’s a post murder journal entry.

    @josemcyntire: @stark3923 In addition 2 Crater Lake theory,#jodiarias may have buried knife/gun&changed @ SUPERSTITION MTN Thoughts? http://t.co/m8TsHSUXl0

    • 04/07/2013 at 9:53 pm

      I reckon there’s a good chance it’s here. Jose also mentions the strange reference to the journal entry… I remembered it without the prompt because struck me as odd and strangely random. Plus if I’m reading the map right it is close to Travis’… if it’s close to Travis’ where is she when she made that entry on the 17th?

      • Nancy Pennington
        04/07/2013 at 10:00 pm

        Nuther stupid question who the heck is Jose ????

      • Moon
        04/07/2013 at 10:01 pm

        and did she pay the fee to get in after hours? probably no account of it, even if she did pay, since so many years have passed/.

      • 04/07/2013 at 10:06 pm

        Probably stole the money from Travis to make him pay for disposing of the weapons she murdered him with. 😛

      • Moon
        04/07/2013 at 10:32 pm

        wouldn’t it be great if someone FOUND it all! wowza

    • Nancy Pennington
      04/07/2013 at 9:58 pm

      Here I go again with stupid questions. Superstition Mtn is in AZ. Crater Lake is in Oregon. Sooooo what have I missed??? I am confused about the where and the why about the weapons Plezzzzz help! TY

      • 04/07/2013 at 10:03 pm

        two tweets NancyP… one chris stark suggesting due to the way wobo’s mind works chance the crime scene evidenced was disposed of in Lake Oregan.. think it was Chrissie who posted it up stairs… now I found this tweet suggesting maybe Superstition Mountain was also a strong possibly for the reasons he puts together in that linked url.

  131. Marilyn N
    04/07/2013 at 10:04 pm

    Just got home and started listening to Websleuths Sunday night program.
    Sounds like it could be good.
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/04/08/tricias-true-crime-radio-sunday-night-8-pm-eastern

  132. 04/07/2013 at 10:04 pm

    Nancy Pennington :
    Nuther stupid question who the heck is Jose ????

    Jose is a reliable tweeter who posts on Jodi Arias trial, NancyP

  133. Moon
    04/07/2013 at 10:10 pm

    Nancy Pennington :Nuther stupid question who the heck is Jose ????

    if you are referring to josemcyntire, I think he is a blogger and he communicates a lot with Chris Stark

  134. Tracey A
    04/07/2013 at 10:11 pm

    Nancy Pennington :
    But Crater Lake is approx 2 hrs north of Yreka so why would she make that trip to dispose of the weapons ?? Did I miss something ?? Are you thinking she did this before going home after SLC??? That is a four hr round trip .

    NancyP – Try this link. It may put the Crater Lake theory into perspective. My only thing, and sorry I didn’t call it out earlier, is that Crater Lake is well over 50 miles from Yreka. Depending on which route JA would take it’s anywhere from 129 miles to 148 miles.

    But this link should help:

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rjkf78

  135. Tracey A
    04/07/2013 at 10:13 pm

    Dang! I’m in Mod.

    Nancy Pennington, I have a link for you on the Crater Lake theory if it hasn’t already been posted but the time I clear Mod. Sorry donchais….

  136. Tracey A
    04/07/2013 at 10:19 pm

    Nancy P. Scroll up to Laine’s post #418. That has the link re: Crater Lake theory. I’m still in Mod.

  137. Moon
    04/07/2013 at 10:23 pm

    Syntara :Probably stole the money from Travis to make him pay for disposing of the weapons she murdered him with.

    **head spinning**

  138. Tracey A
    04/07/2013 at 10:25 pm

    Observer :
    Whether or not Travis was in the repentance progress is irrelevant and has nothing to do with whether Jodi is guilty of first degree murder. The rebuttal case will focus on proving motive, premeditation and disproving her claims of self defense. Martinez had told the court he would be subpoenaing Dave Hall, Travis’s friend to say Travis didn’t own a gun so he will probably be a rebuttal witness also.

    That’s right!!! I forgot about Dave Hall and the gun shooting video! Wurmi made such a big deal of that. I remember I thought that was first time Wurmi quoted “HLN”. He wanted a copy of the vid from Dave Hall who said he would produce it immediately.

  139. Moon
    04/07/2013 at 10:29 pm

    Observer :Whether or not Travis was in the repentance progress is irrelevant and has nothing to do with whether Jodi is guilty of first degree murder. The rebuttal case will focus on proving motive, premeditation and disproving her claims of self defense. Martinez had told the court he would be subpoenaing Dave Hall, Travis’s friend to say Travis didn’t own a gun so he will probably be a rebuttal witness also.

    ty agai n, observer.. i know that it doesn’t have anything to do with the murder.. it has just bothered me that she claims this bishop told her what i feel is private info re Travis.

    • Marilyn N
      04/07/2013 at 10:41 pm

      Moon – It has always struck me as odd and unbelievable that the bishop would
      share Travis’s personal matters with JA.

      • Observer
        04/07/2013 at 10:48 pm

        Jodi lied about Bishop Layton telling her anything regarding Travis’s body being found. He was Travis’s bishop and would have known Jodi was a suspect from the moment his body was found. Bishop Layton would not talk to her. She was not a member of his ward.

  140. 04/07/2013 at 10:34 pm

    wow Marilyn listening to that radio link… Lady in court (KCL) is on and what the legal-ese said about lala Toilette approaching Samantha….

    She says it’s a deliberate ploy!!!! OMFG gets worse… she says it must be deliberate.. the early break could have been a ploy and her approach to Samantha would not be spur of the moment because Lala has too much court exp to just walk up on a whim

    She believes it’s a defense ploy to get Martinez more angry at her on the stand. Like Jodi, dodgy and and now lala is goading him. The samantha thing was to goad Martinez into questioning her about it and she then goes… “I care deeply for the victim and the victim’s family I care about them that’s why I went up to her Mr Martinez” ie to make up ground for calling Travis the perpetrator.

    Also… The flu followed the biggest lie she told on the stand which might be why she suddenly felt sick that day. That she knew of nothing about Jodi being jealous towards Travis.

    Also says her and dodgy have farked themselves for future cases because the opposition will destroy them with this testimony on every case they try to appear in from here and forever more.

    Other guy on show feels Lala Toilette has lost Jury just as Dodgy did.

    Still.. listening so forgive typos and bad syntax throughout.

    • Moon
      04/07/2013 at 10:42 pm

      woohooo i know, right!! great radio show. Wendy Murhphy telling KatieCoolLady that they provide funds to victims families!! still listening! ty sooo much Marilyn!!

    • 04/07/2013 at 10:49 pm

      Im going to get Wendy’s book hope it come out as a kindle version

      • Moon
        04/07/2013 at 11:16 pm

        daannnng kindle version not avail 😦

      • 04/07/2013 at 11:21 pm

        grrrrrrrrr *annoyed** well I’ll have to get it mailed then

      • Moon
        04/07/2013 at 11:39 pm

        ahhh… sounds like there is an e-version available! they said from her website WendyMurhphyLaw.com. yeah hope so!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/08/2013 at 6:45 am

      STOP the presses. STOP reading all readers. GO TO THE LINK Syntara just started describing and LISTEN to WENDY MURPHY. Sorry for caps, but listening to her_ I haven’t even finished yet – is soooooooooooooooo refreshingly forthright, that its the perfect way to start Juanday. Unlike TV , where image & volume dominate, on the radio one can hear an intelligent lawyer, speak fluently on the topic until the thought has ended. She gives concise, accurate and superb accounts of the law in general in the US and this trial.

      . In the next century – when hopefully Americans will be reexamining parts of their legal processes – things like the non hourly rate; the removal of “experts”- except for explanatory purposes; expansion of small claims courts;, victim family rights for necessary attendance at trials, professional jurors and many other issues will be confronted. The more the people see their system at work, the easier it will be to change it.

      For a generation, if you were,’t in the system, all you knew was PERRY MASON..In the next generation, the views got wider if quirkier with LA LAW, LAW and ORDER and all the derivitives which followed.. Americans started to see how the system might REALLY work;. Now, Thank God, we have cable and the internet and we can see for ourselves how it works.

  141. Jay
    04/07/2013 at 10:34 pm

    By the way, thanks for this blog – it’s kept me from further banging my fists against the wall in frustration after listening to the unconscionable character assassination testimony of Travis by those defense witnesses the past few weeks..

  142. Tracey A
    04/07/2013 at 10:48 pm

    Jay – I know it’s helped me and likely many others here from banging our collective heads against the wall. Although with all the BS crap we listened to from ALV, I must admit to banging my head on my tabletop. Not only did I nod off, but intentionally did it while screaming ” MAKE IT STOP”! 😉

  143. Moon
    04/07/2013 at 10:52 pm

    i hope you all can hear this radio program that marilyn kindly shared with us! great great stuff!!

  144. Tracey A
    04/07/2013 at 10:59 pm

    Jay :
    Re: finger
    I don’t know if this was already mentioned or not, but a recent HLN show one of the hosts ( Vinnie Politan I think) showed side by side two entries from Arias’ journal, one a day or two before she claims Travis twisted her finger, and the other a day or two after the alleged injury … Her handwriting was exactly the same on both pages, and following pages too. The finger is on the same hand she writes with (he showed a clip of her in court writing notes).
    If the finger was wrenched when she claims it was, she would have trouble holding a pen or pencil, let alone maintaining the same exact penmanship.

    It has been stated that JA is ambidextrous although I’m not sure proven. I, personally through the videos have witnessed her writing with both her left and right hands. Especially during live coverage. I caught her one day writing right handed and next day left handed. Not sure if there is a difference in her penmanship with the use of right/left.

    • Moon
      04/07/2013 at 11:05 pm

      you know tracey, what i have noticed is that she only used her right hand to write the day of or 1 day after her testiphony about being ambidextrious. i think she’s used her left ever since. not 100% sure but i’ve been trying to pay attn to that

      • Tracey A
        04/07/2013 at 11:35 pm

        Moon, I noticed JA writing or sketching with her right hand just last week. But I tend to be obsessed with looking for the her bent finger. I’m not sure it is even broken or injured. I won’t be convinced until I see an x-ray of some sort.

        I think she’s had so much time in jail to practice the “bent” look on command. Just like Syn indicated earlier about her holding her water cup backwards. (Great call Syn…never thought of that. As if she were practicing in a mirror). Wow! Your knowledge seems to know no bounds!

      • SCK
        04/08/2013 at 12:16 am

        I noticed in her interrogation – when Flores gives her paper and pencil to write to Travis’ family — she writes with her right hand.

    • 04/07/2013 at 11:07 pm

      yeah and as someone said… her journal entries before and after the murder change. I personally didn’t see it but someone in here said the slant looks different. I have transcribed versions not hand written ones unfortunately.

    • 04/07/2013 at 11:10 pm

      Trace I’m ambidextrous.. and believe me you can see a difference… plus the slants are different… think how you see a left handed persons slant.. it’s usually the opposite of a right handed. You just don’t write exactly the same and can’t because of the angle needed to approach then pen to the paper. Plus aside from the angles and slants the words look like they are written by the same person but you can see a distinct difference.

      For her to say the words would look the same is crap even if she is ambidextrous.

      • Tracey A
        04/07/2013 at 11:31 pm

        Why am I not surprised you are are “ambi”??? Another fine gift to your many talents! LOL! 🙂

        I’m right handed but my mom is a “lefty”. She’s the only “lefty” I’ve ever seen that doesn’t twist her wrist like most “lefties”do. She places pen to paper as I would.

        I would imagine that there would be a difference no matter what.

      • 04/07/2013 at 11:33 pm

        some things I do left without even knowing.. had to have it pointed out.. others I do right naturally… I can write both but feels more natural right. I didn’t know I could write left handed for a long time and found out by accident.

      • Crystal Harris
        04/07/2013 at 11:50 pm

        I’m also ambidextrous, though I favor my left hand for fine motor skill tasks. I second everything you say, Syn, about how even though my writing is legible with both hands and shares some characteristics, it definitely does not look the same.

    • Jay
      04/08/2013 at 1:44 am

      A quick Google image search shows Arias, singing in jail, holding the mike with her left hand; another photo shows her holding a pencil or pen in her left fist; another with water cup in left hand; one more with crumpled tissues in left hand.

      If she is ambidexterious this might be of interest:

      “Children who are ambidextrous, using either hand with the same ease, may be more likely to have mental health, language and academic problems than their peers, according to a new study.”
      http://www.nbcnews.com/id/35062930/ns/health-childrens_health/t/ambidextrous-kids-more-prone-mental-issues/#.UWJXqsu9KSM

  145. 04/07/2013 at 11:00 pm

    ooooh I like this Wendy Hughes she is soooooo smart and on point! Marilyn loving this show! Thank you

    • Marilyn N
      04/07/2013 at 11:10 pm

      I agree. It’s a good one tonite. 😊

  146. 04/07/2013 at 11:01 pm

    oops wendy Murphy I think I think not hughes doh!

  147. Moon
    04/07/2013 at 11:24 pm

    Observer :Family of Law, the state is not going to put Matt McCartney on the stand because he lied for Jodi before about the pedophile letters. The judge has ruled that the pedophile letters cannot come in unless Martinez opens the door so he could not ask Matt about them. They would be very damaging for the prosecution if they come in even if the state expert said they were forged. Matt lied for her before under oath. The prosecution can’t trust him not to lie again. The defense won’t call Matt because he told both the prosecutor and defense attorneys that he did not witness any bruises on her neck and arms as she claimed. Martinez brought up the coded message Jodi tried to smuggle out of jail to try to convince Matt to change his testimony to make sure Matt wouldn’t lie for her on the stand.

    wow, once again, tysm for your great expertise and for explaining it so clearly that this not so educated woman gets it!

  148. 04/07/2013 at 11:30 pm

    ooo good point… with the ninja story she knew the knife was present even describes them using the knife and travis screaming and where he was on the floor before she fled..

    so if she can’t remember using the knife how does she remember the ninjas had a knife?
    How did she just guess all that about what had happened! huh? huh? huh??

    An unconscious thought I had but never fully processed it until Wendy voices it! duh! How obvious now! Need to go back and listen to the ninja story again and listen closely.

    ooo ooo ooo ooooooooooooo

    • Tracey A
      04/07/2013 at 11:46 pm

      Ummmm, just a guess here (although I’ve read back some and can’t figure out what you are referencing here….radio show perhaps) but she knows that if she recounts how she stabbed him (which I have no doubt she remembers and relives often if not daily), the most heinous acts of all she did to him, she’ll look more like a monster then she already does.

      Even in her “self defense” claim she just can’t explain the stabbing and put a “good” spin on it.

      I believe there is a lot of the truth mixed in with her fiction. That makes it all the worse for me.

    • Moon
      04/07/2013 at 11:49 pm

      i know i know!! will juan be able to re-call hodi? or does the defense have to recall her 1st? he can always use it in closing!! ***

      • Tracey A
        04/08/2013 at 1:39 am

        I doubt it. Perhaps Observer can comment more on this. If you already have…my apologies. I’m still reading…sorry.

    • Marilyn N
      04/08/2013 at 12:34 am

      Didn’t Flores tell her early on in the interrogation that there had been a knife stabbing prior to her ninja story?
      I’d need to go back an listen again to be sure. But if so, she could have formulated
      her story from that.

  149. 04/07/2013 at 11:36 pm

    She says she is ashamed of her legal system because of this case. Hallelujah !!!! I love this woman!!! Wendy Murphy take a bow!!!

    • Tracey A
      04/07/2013 at 11:49 pm

      I wonder if this radio show will be rebroadcast. I’m intrigued. I think many of us are ashamed at the legal system. What the “defense” has done to Travis’ reputation is the absolute worst and most shameful to me.

      • Moon
        04/07/2013 at 11:55 pm

        you can link to it now and hear it and also from the site it says u can download it. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/04/08/tricias-true-crime-radio-sunday-night-8-pm-eastern

      • Crystal Harris
        04/07/2013 at 11:57 pm

        Happens everyday in courtrooms across the country! We are seeing it magnified here, but there are victims across the country treated like this all the time. Travis is dead and can’t defend himself and is fortunate to have so many friends and family sticking up for him. Rape victims have it happen to them, and unless they’re willing to go public, they have to just endure.

      • 04/07/2013 at 11:59 pm

        think it’s available to play any time I just logged on and started it.

  150. Nancy Pennington
    04/07/2013 at 11:49 pm

    Hey folks – Nancy P’s husband here,

    All this speculation about JA disposing of her weapons and other things in either the Superstition Mountains or Crater Lake is making me crazy. The Superstition Mountains are 25 miles due East of Mesa – the opposite direction from the road to Las Vegas. While she may have been able to see them from Mesa, she most likely won’t have gone this far out of her way in her panic (fog) to get out of Dodge.

    Crater Lake is 130 miles from Yreka, not the 50 miles that Chris Stark states. Most of this route is two lanes and it takes about three hours to drive it. If one considers that she drove back to Redding to return the car, there just isn’t an extra six hours.

    Most likely she dumped the stuff in desert between Wickenburg, AZ and I-40 on her way to Las Vegas. This area is extremely desolate. If you drive half a mile off the highway, you’re in the middle of nowhere.

    Sorry to be so snarky, but wanted to clear this up.

    • Moon
      04/08/2013 at 12:04 am

      Thanks, Mr. P! nothing would surprise me with regards to that Ho.

    • Tracey A
      04/08/2013 at 12:05 am

      Hey Nancy P’s Husband:

      I can’t speak for the Superstition Mtn idea, but the Crater Lake theory is one that is plausible. Mind you, I’m not saying she did that while she still had the rental car.Time was of the essence for her to return that rental car. But she could’ve hidden the evidence and taken them to the Lake afterwards.

      And, I too, believe the evidence in the desert as you describe. There are so many dirt roads out in that desert. A 5 minute drive on any of them would’ve have had her in nowhere land. I’m just saying Crater Lake is plausible after she returns the rental.

      I didn’t take you as snarky at all. Besides, SNARK is well respected here. So glad you joined in.

      P.s. I did clarify the mileage was off as Chris Stark’s Twit states. I knew that was incorrect the minute I read it. 🙂

    • 04/08/2013 at 12:05 am

      I can see her going 25 miles out of her way if the symbology meant enough to her.. easily. What’s that about 40kms? yeah she’d do it. Not to say she did it.. but yes she’d do it.

      • Tracey A
        04/08/2013 at 12:21 am

        Yep! 25 miles = about 40 kms.

    • Moon
      04/08/2013 at 12:24 am

      hello again, Mr P!! lol, just a thought, maybe that “physic” lady friend that’s been showing up on HLN shows can lead us all to it! 😉

  151. 04/07/2013 at 11:56 pm

    ooooo knife gun…… ninja story… new story she only knows he was shot.. doesn’t remember the knife because of her amnesia right?

    Well!!!!

    Ninja story – “she says woman had gun”…. “then no dont know if gun”….hmmm .. “was knife” yada yada yada… ends up saying the intruders had knifes hence the ‘ninjas’….. right?

    Why???

    because……. IF she escaped before he was dead… she KNEW the gunshot was last… she was avoiding saying there was a gun because in the ninja story she escapes and he was still alive! She shouldn’t know he was shot!

    see see see she does remember.. or did the FOG actually hit after the ninja story changed to avoid not remembering the stabbings and throat slicing and shooting… huh huh huh huh???? Dr Dodgy.. get back on the stand I want to ask you this!!!

    wow. just wow! that blasts the amnesia defense to smithereens!

    • 04/08/2013 at 12:15 am

      Time to review the Flores tapes shown in court. Need to listen to exactly what she says re the ninjas and probably gonna review the 48 hours doco too.

      • 04/08/2013 at 12:28 am

        yeah I know its obvious the amnesia story is a crock.. but to have something definitive to put down and say well hey you remembered this then how come you can’t now…

        Now you can only remember a gun going off and nothing else…

        I feel that would be a huge plus for the prosecution whether or not it’s considered boloney to have substantive proof based on words from Jodi herself is better.

    • Observer
      04/08/2013 at 12:20 am

      The jury has alreaduy dismissed the amnesia story because Martinez destroyed Dr. Samuel’s credibility. Jodi did mention a gun in her Ninja story. She said she heard a loud boom, she was knocked out, the female shot Travis, then she said the female had a knife and the male had a gun, pointed it to her head and it jammed and she tackled the female, then they let her go after memorizing her address on her driver’s license and threatening to kill her and her family if she told anyone.

  152. Moon
    04/08/2013 at 12:00 am

    Observer :Jodi lied about Bishop Layton telling her anything regarding Travis’s body being found. He was Travis’s bishop and would have known Jodi was a suspect from the moment his body was found. Bishop Layton would not talk to her. She was not a member of his ward.

    well i know she lied about it! that’s why i think it would be great to call him on the stand so he can point out she LIED about it! but i get why they wont….

    • Observer
      04/08/2013 at 12:12 am

      Jodi didn’t testify to Bishop Layton telling her anything. That was a fabrication in her journal and that journal entry isn’t even admitted into evidence. It is irrelevant anyway because her journal entries from June 3 on are fabrications to cover up her involvement.

  153. Observer
    04/08/2013 at 12:05 am

    Most criminals who confess to a crime admit they were there but blame it on someone else or minimize their involvement by saying it was an accident.

    Jodi the same as confessed when she told Flores the day after her arrest in July 2008 that she was there when Travis was stabbed and shot by two masked intruders who told her they were there to kill Travis, the female brought a knife and a gun, that Travis was on his hands and knees, that he screamed in pain “not like a girl,” that he was on his feet but then he wasn’t, that he was lying on the rug and he was there but he wasn’t there and there was blood everywhere.

    I’m sure Nurmi told her that by placing herself at the crime scene and telling those details she had confessed to premeditated murder and the jury would just think she had an accomplice unless she admitted to the killing and claimed self defense based on Battered Wives Syndrome.

    That’s why she changed her defense to Travis was the devil and he made me do it.

    • Moon
      04/08/2013 at 12:13 am

      yup yup yup! we always knew she had truths within her lies! crazy crazy

    • Tracey A
      04/08/2013 at 1:36 am

      My word Observer! You pick up on the most minute details. I’m in awe every time I read your posts. I look forward to reading every time I see your name pop up. Thank you, truly, for all you bring to this forum.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/08/2013 at 8:12 am

        I threw her a bouquet earlier somewhere. Added bonus to know she is mother of 8 a grandmother of many times that, LDS, AZ citizen, clear and accurate writer, and not pushy or know-it-all. Love her.

    • 04/08/2013 at 3:22 am

      this is the point. She obviously remembers or how did she get all that right. I’m not talking about if WE know she remembers I’m assuming we all do.. but the fact she got so much right in her ninja version proves… beyond a shadow of a doubt SHE Remembers! That vid someone posted that outlines these very points… proves it.

      need to go find that actually.

  154. Tracey A
    04/08/2013 at 12:08 am

    Moon :
    you can link to it now and hear it and also from the site it says u can download it. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/04/08/tricias-true-crime-radio-sunday-night-8-pm-eastern

    Awesome Moon! Thank you! I have to hear this based on yours and Syn’s snippets.

    • Moon
      04/08/2013 at 12:46 am

      mp, tracey, but thanks to marilyn for sharing!!

      about the fingers… when you look at her left hand when she holds it up, notice the little finger shows “swanning”, again in her case both fingers due to her henious act. in a person with R.A. the fingers will swan as her left little finger does and “implode” much like she is claiming her left ring finger does.

  155. 04/08/2013 at 12:46 am

    going to review it then will repost .. the point is all she claims to remember now is the shot and nothing more. Now she alledges she doesn’t even remember a knife.

    So anything at all she says about a knife or possible sequence in the ninja version shows she could remember on July 16, 2008. The defense is alledging she has never had those memories! If she never had the memories how the heck does she remember on 16 July 2008? Then suddenly forget memories she never had after she drops the ninja story?

    If she never had the memories how did she remember anything that ties in to the actual crime to concoct the ninja story.. anyhow will be back later have some revising to do to listen to what she actually says.

    • Anonymous
      04/08/2013 at 5:05 am

      Yes!!! Isn’t Wendy Murphy very sharp? – this is it in a nutshell.

  156. Observer
    04/08/2013 at 1:35 am

    Of course, Jodi remenbers stabbing him because every time he screamed in pain she got more power. That’s why she bought a 9mm gun and two brand new knives after slaughtering Travis. Killing men was fun. She has convenient amnesia so she doesn’t have to take any real responsibility for the violence. It isn’t going to matter what she remembers. She admitted she was the only one there, the knife was in her hand and that she pulled the trigger on the gun. All the jury has to determine is if she planned to kill him or if it was self defense. I’m sure the jury has already dismissed her bogus story about the body slam, chase through the closet and linebacker lunge and after the rebuttal case and closing arguments will vote guilty of first degree murder.

    • Tracey A
      04/08/2013 at 1:42 am

      Ty Observer. You just verified what I said in an earlier post. Except you said it so much more eloquently than I could have. Amen!

    • Moon
      04/08/2013 at 2:02 am

      applause applause!!

    • Crystal Harris
      04/08/2013 at 2:04 am

      I would not assume a damn thing with juries these days. In addition to all the cases we all know about where juries did crazy things, in my own case, I had the crime on tape and the jury only convicted on 1 of 3 counts, they hung on the other 2. Why? I DON’T KNOW! It makes zero sense. It’s a dream of mine to speak to someone on that jury! The injustice I felt is one of the reasons I began to speak out about my case. I was pissed off.
      The DA didn’t re-try the case cuz my husband got sentenced to 6yrs in prison for the one conviction.
      So bottom line is, never trust a jury on anything. They can be irrational.

      • Anonymous
        04/08/2013 at 5:09 am

        Ditto that!

      • Observer
        04/08/2013 at 7:51 am

        I am not assuming, I have faith in the jury and the system. Yes, juries can be irrational. But in the majority cases of a brutal murder, jurors usually convict. I believe in staying positive and having faith that justice will be served for Travis.

    • 04/08/2013 at 2:43 am

      lol I know she remembers …… we all know she remembers.. well I assume we do< don't we?

      But we are talking about the trial not what we know. Well I thought we were .. doh I'm confuzzled!!!

      • 04/08/2013 at 2:52 am

        and like Crystal, I personally am not at all sure what the jury might have dismissed or not. I’ve heard of some very strange jury decisions before. I can’t understand why the anthony woman’s trial went the way it did, or the OJ simpson trial. If we are assuming what the jury will do.. why even watch the trial? I’m really confused!!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/08/2013 at 8:34 am

      Ahhhhh like Updike on a good day.. Hemingwayesque when it needs to be. Capote and Dunne, edited.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/08/2013 at 8:39 am

        this looks stupid (as Wendy Murphy would say) where it appears, but it’s meant for the Observer description of the event

  157. Moon
    04/08/2013 at 3:39 am

    uhmmm i dunno?? it’s pretty foggy!

  158. 04/08/2013 at 3:55 am

    K not a source I’d normally post from but found this that I’d not seen. Do not agree with slumped down after being stabbed because legs crossed and no blood… but I’m willing to consider everything. Soooo… just wanted to post this in case others have not seen and might like to;

  159. 04/08/2013 at 4:06 am

    k this is the start in line with how I see it.. of course others may think differently.. but I agree with this as the beginning of the attack and the headshot being same position as the seated bottom shot with his legs crossed on the shower floor.

  160. Anna
    04/08/2013 at 4:40 am

    [Before I finally posted this, I listened to the youtube ‘Heat Is Juan’ about 3-5 times…lost count…but needed it like nobody’s business…so why am I saying it here if it’s nobody’s business, you might well ask that, and the answer would be because donchais has let me hang out here in her fabulous backyard playground before and I’m hoping her back gate is still unlocked for me so I can ventilate, but hopefully not percolate too much.]

    Hello to everyone I call the ‘calls for justice people’ whom I’ve come to love; and while I don’t really know anyone here from Adam, much less Eve, I’ve developed a semi-profound appreciation for the amazing people who post here, and especially at this time in my aging life. Anyway, I’ve been gone so long, I’m not going to catch up. That was then, this is now….la hora de Juan. Y tambien, el ‘heat’ del Juan esta….’ON’, dude!!! (Y, lo siento to people who actually know Spanish). If donchais hasn’t banned me permanently, there are like-minded people here who might be reading this. {so Justice For Travis high-fives would be in order} If we can’t rant, we will…well, what ‘rhythms’ with rant, she asks herself. Wanted it to be like ‘if the glove don’t fit you must acquit’ thing without the rhyming part.

    I sure hope everyone out there is healthy. I’m sorry but I’m gonna release something through this online rant system…., and I apologize & please move on now if whatever. Suffice it say I’ve had something happen that rocked my family’s boat so badly, I’m now worried about my health. And all this on top of this stupid effing trial. Yet I believe that everything happens for a reason, and I’m already finding a lot of good from a lot of initially preconceived bad. As they say, ‘life is what happens when you’re busy making other plans.’ Anyway, no worries at all. Expect the best; prepare for the worst – that’s one of my mantras. And all that would be my hope for everyone I have ever come in contact with my whole life no matter what, on this crazy effin’ planet we live upon. Without human support for the light side, I just don’t know.

    Okay, thank you if you made it this far for whatever reason. Please resume your regularly scheduled programming. (one last dribble, has anyone here seen/and like the old movie called “What’s Up, Doc?”? Need to talk.)

    • MMD
      04/08/2013 at 7:31 am

      Hiya Anna – that vid really does makes ya feel better doesn’t it. I know have been playing it quite a lot this weekend! So what’s happening darlin’ – you want to share??? Something has obviously rocked your world and not in a good way. {{{{{{ }}}}}} to you.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/08/2013 at 9:04 am

      Of course. The only way to start the week. Good Juanday to you!

  161. jad
    04/08/2013 at 5:32 am

    Thank you, Tracey A and Moon, for posting the web address, with Wendy Murphy in a guest spot at web sleuths, which was tuned in.

    Wendy Murphy is one honest individual. She will go out on a limb to speak her truth in order that others will listen. Some of you might remember Wendy Murphy’s guest spots during the Casey Anthony Trial. She was the only attorney that announced an acquittal verdict in the case [in the very beginnings of the case]. When she made that announcement, she was immediately shunted aside and not asked any other questions. Then, she was shipped off to Buffalo for awhile (for her indiscretion in speaking her opinion in the way that had been revealed). I believe it was Vinnie Politan’s time up, when she made her dire prediction in the case. It took Court TV many weeks to ask her back.

    By the time, Wendy Murphy was asked back on, George Anthony was in the middle of the accusations of his alleged incestuous relationship, when his daughter, Casey Anthony, was younger (implying a possible incestuous relationship with his granddaughter, Caylee Anthony). At that time, Wendy Murphy alluded to the possibility that there was indeed child molestation, but NOT by George Anthony and NOT in the way that the criminal lawyers were trying to set up. Not one of the hosts of the shows on Court TV or HLN TV wanted to follow up on what she had mentioned.

    Since Wendy Murphy made that pronouncement, many things have happened. Right after the State’s case was ended, the federal government finished a very lengthy investigation involving sexual abuse of children. As an example of the knowledge that the State would have had, an article, chronicling the bust of an international child porn enterprise, can be reviewed. The story didn’t break publicly until the first week of August of 2011 (after the case prosecuted against Casey Anthony drew to an end, that had lasted from May to July [5] of 2011). This federal investigation was part of Operation Predator. It had been identified as Operation Delego, which was a spinoff investigation from leads developed through Operation Nest Egg, which in turn had been developed from leads related to Operation Joint Hammer.

    Although the people were just finding out about this macabre ring of pedophiles on DREAMBOARD, Operation Delego had been running since at least 2009, according to the Department of Justice (“DOJ”) press release, titled Attorney General and DHS Secretary Announce Largest U.S. Prosecution of International Criminal Network Organized to Sexually Exploit Children. Of the seventy-two persons charged as defendants and more than five hundred others that participated in one way or the other, many had already been arrested, plead guilty, and been sentenced by the time that the Casey Anthony case went to Trial. One of those targeted was Michael Biggs, 32 of Orlando, who was sentenced on May 31st, 2011 to twenty years in prison for his part in the dissemination of videos of child porn.

    With the knowledge that this was occurring in the State of Florida, Florida just let the federal authorities do their thing. The possibility of kiddie porn and Casey Anthony’s involvement was not considered, even though she was a photographer, had involvement on the Internet, could not explain what she was doing with her daughter, and there was no proof that her daughter associated with any other children or went to any outside venues where children her age would have enjoyed a proper childhood. There was nothing to show Caylee Anthony had a childhood other than being restricted to the confines of her grandparents’ (Cindy and George) home, or a couple of visits to her great-grandfather’s [Alex Plesea] for a nursing home visit [that also once involved a brief respite at her great-grandmother’s [Shirley Plesea], or sleeping arrangements with Casey Anthony’s boyfriend, Ricardo Morales. Other than that, and ONE birthday celebration at her grandparents for her second birthday, there was absolutely nothing to show this little girl had a life. So, what was this toddler doing with no friends and no play dates, and what did her mother do with her when she was on her myriad photography assignments with her daughter in tow?

    The computer expert that had been provided by the State of Florida [in the Casey Anthony case] was almost as bad as the experts in the Jodi Arias case provided by the defense. He never examined the computer for child pornography, even though [there was a major kiddie porn investigation underway, and there was a missing child of the same age as those pictured in the porn, and] many pictures of [the mother] Casey Anthony had been found of a pornographic nature. Not once did the State examine these salient, suggestive pictures to see if other images had been imbedded. This was the expert that counted redundant features as original, to blow the case. What an expert he was NOT. Who knows why there was a nothing investigation? Maybe it is because Florida gets a lot of its money through the family-oriented tourist trade. So, Florida could have a ‘protected’ tourism generated economy. In this situation, stories of child pornography would definitely not go over well. These types of stories don’t regularly surface until well after the fact, where people would have no reason to get up in arms or be so upset (since it no longer would exist). At least Wendy Murphy gave it a mention, when no one else would dare admit its existence.

    I will listen to the rest later, but the audio is two-thirds through, and Wendy Murphy is still speaking out. Good for her. And, these organizations want her to be silenced, but she has refused and taken her punishment in good form. WOW. She is great!!! If any book is sold because of this Trial, it should be hers. She is not one prone to embellish, and is known as a truth-teller. She is also very bright and knowledgeable of the Law. In addition, she sits on a Board that can help the Alexander family. FANTASTIC. I hope they have filled out the forms. She will get everything in pronto.

    When this Trial is over, I know where I will be — reading her book to find out why she has made the statements she has about the Ramsey case and others.

  162. jad
    04/08/2013 at 5:35 am

    Anna — Are you talking about the film that starred Barbara Streisand? It was a comedy with that plaid fabric that MMD enjoys. She’ll be here soon, but if you need anything, just “holler”. Can you give us a clue about the need to talk? There are many listening, willing to join in for any assistance. So, what’s up?

  163. Lisa M
    04/08/2013 at 6:37 am

    The heat is Juan! Lets all put out positive thoughts towards Juan today that he’s focused, calm and relentless as he continues his cross examination of AL!!

    • njrose
      04/08/2013 at 6:54 am

      I love your message, Lisa. Sending out positive thoughts here !!

    • MMD
      04/08/2013 at 7:33 am

      Morning Lisa – it’s gonna be a great day in the juanderhood! 🙂 and hopefully a miserable day at the defense table and on the stand 😉 cause ya know he is sooooooooooooo prepared!!!!

  164. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/08/2013 at 6:48 am

    Crystal Harris :
    I’m also ambidextrous, though I favor my left hand for fine motor skill tasks. I second everything you say, Syn, about how even though my writing is legible with both hands and shares some characteristics, it definitely does not look the same.

    Surely,nly on this site could one find TWO ambidextrous people within a small sample. Gee. Another head spin.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/08/2013 at 6:51 am

      Sorry for this “leap” I was just reading above and thought it would slip in there. I had been stopped midway listening to radio and post at 505.

  165. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/08/2013 at 6:53 am

    Hello to any and all. I’m catching up. Listening to The Heat is Juan, to the radio with Wendy Murphy and now will go back upstairs and read th erest and watch the videos.
    OH-WO-HO

  166. MMD
    04/08/2013 at 7:26 am

    Syntara :
    <blockquote
    Gus is the ultimate sleazebag I think he’d do or say anything the defense told him to AND add and embellish it in any way his twisted mind thought he could.. his main motivation is publicity and attention though. Duplicity possible complicity
    I’d love to see Searcy thrown in jail! He is another one who makes my skin crawl.

    LOL Syn I think you’ve got his number 🙂 I made the mistake of watching videos of him talking about about his damn pigeons and all his inventions and had to do a brain scrub after I felt so scuzzy!!!! He makes even the most sleazy used car salespeople look good!

  167. MMD
    04/08/2013 at 7:28 am

    Morning Robert – how’re things across the pond and a bit? Kind of a snow/rain drizzle make you bones ache kind of day here but it is above freezing 🙂

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/08/2013 at 8:52 am

      G’Juanday. All is preparing for the master class. Still chilly; 40F which is a bit low for Holland at this time of year. The next few hours are going to seem endless. Notice that Observer is making me all literary and such!.

      • MMD
        04/08/2013 at 9:00 am

        I see that – are you gonna be all literary all day? ROFL Still on the last 20 minutes of the radio show. I soooooooo love Wendy Murphy – she truly calls it as she see it, whether ya like it or not.
        BTW we’ve gotten all the way up to 37 but still feels like 28 😦 But since I’m gonna be glued to the trial it doesn’t matter!!!!!

  168. MMD
    04/08/2013 at 7:48 am

    I loooooooove Wendy Murphy. She calls it as she see it!

  169. MMD
    04/08/2013 at 8:16 am

    Marilyn – thank you so much for posting the link for the True Crime Radio show. This is really good!

  170. Laine
    04/08/2013 at 8:26 am

    I so wanted to add this picture here I think it’s wonderful and very true. However I can’t seem to copy and paste it so I am adding my photo bucket link so everyone can see it!

    http://s66.photobucket.com/user/egfriends/media/575642_581245748561629_1803456941_n.jpg.html#/user/egfriends/media/575642_581245748561629_1803456941_n.jpg.html?&_suid=136542388818009193731162812821

    Let me know if it works! Thanks!

    • MMD
      04/08/2013 at 8:34 am

      It works Laine and it’s also very true! Thanks darlin’ 🙂

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/08/2013 at 8:54 am

      Thanks for this. I have reserved a hotel for Dallas in November for the 50th of JFK’s murder. Maybe I’ll carry this on a sign.

  171. 04/08/2013 at 9:05 am

    MMD – wasn’t sure if my thank you post came thru or not for that link, but just in case it didn’t…thank u! 🙂

  172. MMD
    04/08/2013 at 9:07 am

    OMG I feel so old. On the blog radio website they showed a picture of Sean Lennon who has turned 50!!!

  173. donchais
    04/08/2013 at 9:17 am
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