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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – Day Forty-Seven, Discussion Continues

04/13/2013

Please continue…

Thx

donchais

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  1. 04/13/2013 at 7:46 am

    I am glad you are following this case, well sort of ha. I can’t stand this stuuuuuuuuuuuupid trial any longer. Poor Travis and his family. What an injustice in this case.

    I have a question. If you were on this jury. Would you go home and watch this trial coverage on HLN?? I will be honest. After watching this case. I would. Sorry, and I do believe some on this jury if not all are watching. Just my thoughts!

    • Carmen
      04/13/2013 at 8:04 am

      I’m only human and curiousity would probably get the best of me.

      In most cases jurors aren’t privy to all the evidence we have seen. I’ve seen some cases where the defendant was found not guilty because evidence was not presented, and after being interviewed the jurors admitted the verdict would have been different if they knew about said evidence.

      I think I’d probably watch some coverage and then my conscience would get the best of me and I’d have to stop.

      • MMD
        04/13/2013 at 9:12 am

        I’m with you Carmen. I would be curious but then I wouldn’t be able to handle the guilt. Knowing me, I’d probably even tell the judge cause I’m an absolutely horrible liar. That’s why JA’s lies and the fact that she believes them simply astounds me!!!!!

      • MMD
        04/13/2013 at 9:14 am

        Gonna add to my answer. I would probably watch it on YouTube cause the HLN coverage would drive me nuts.

      • Marilyn N
        04/13/2013 at 11:01 am

        Being a terrible liar with a conscience, I would do my best to stay clean!!

    • 04/13/2013 at 2:32 pm

      I’ve never served on a jury, but from people I’ve spoken with and listened to who have, they say the enormous sense of responsibility you carry with you as a juror is sobering. You know you have someone’s life and future in your hands and you really want to see justice served, one way or another. As curious of a person as I am, my conscience wouldn’t let me do it.

    • Anonymous
      04/13/2013 at 3:47 pm

      This past week I also had wondered if I would be able to refrain from watching the media coverage. I hate to admit it but I think my curiosity would get the best of me. I often will read the last few pages of a book I’m reading…if it’s a mystery, I read a movie spoiler before watching a movie and when I used to watch Soap Operas I would always read any spoilers that were available.
      I think the longer this trial takes the more tempting it will get for the jurors…they are human! I also wonder how family get together go, sitting around the dinner table with your Aunts, Uncles and cousins like on Easter. You know somebody is going to blurt out their opinions on the case.
      I can’t wait until the jury reads the “Guilty of premeditated 1st degree murder”! I want to see the stupid smirk of Jodi’s wiped off her face for good! To dry her tears somebody should hand her a used piece of toilet paper…hahaha…..Karma is going to take a huge bite out of Jodi’s ass!

    • Shirley Pare from Vancouver, BC
      04/13/2013 at 10:48 pm

      No, I would not, i watch the trial direct from court with NO talking head, I just use my own opinion, not anyone elses, and anyways, they’re usually wrong on HLN

  2. Dewey
    04/13/2013 at 8:24 am

    I want to say no because thats the right thing to say, but being completely honest, and knowing myself, I have to say yes I’d watch.

    • 04/13/2013 at 9:16 am

      Good morning one and all,
      Happy Saturday….

    • 04/13/2013 at 10:00 am

      Morning Syn,
      As always, very impressive and enlightening. It was helpful to read it again with all that has transpired.

      • 04/13/2013 at 7:49 pm

        soz Vickee.. i did a dump and run! 😉 *waves*

  3. md_6953@hotmail.com
    04/13/2013 at 9:28 am

    Could somebody list the link with our Main Main Martinez questioning ALV about the jurors questions….I saw it yesterday but cannot find it today. Thank you…Justice for Travis and his family!!

    • sndlywhplsh
      04/13/2013 at 10:52 am

      David Lohr’s new YouTube page: CrimeTimeVids. For earlier videos, just go to David Lohr.

    • sndlywhplsh
      04/13/2013 at 11:04 am

      Oh, PS: Day X here = Day X – 1 there.

    • Douglme
      04/13/2013 at 9:40 pm

  4. 04/13/2013 at 9:44 am

    Hey chickadees and doos it’s Syn’s story time! 😀

    Been looking through some of my really early posts from when i joined back in midish March.. with some minor changes this was my first scenario I posted…

    I updated her arriving and going to the computer room.. and her taking shots of him asleep.. things i’ve decided on since. changed what they did prior to the attack to accommodate updated thoughts and deductions.

    Pretty much everything from the time she bids farewell to him is unchanged, with the exception of Chrissie’s experience that she probably used her camera strap. I bow to Chrissies far greater knowledge on this subject.

    ….and put the bed linen usage in there because I know a lot of you think she used it… probably should mention a pillow because of the tassel also. Apart from those minor changes this is what I posted.

    Original date and post number are on the top:

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    03/20/2013 at 12:45 am | #59

    Ok this is a story ’bout those horrible events on 4 June 2008. Here’s my early take on how it may have played out:

    After trying to reach him 14 times in the last days with minimal or no success Jodi enters Travis’ house likely uninvited because she wanted no trace of her being there.

    She sneaks through the doggy door or maybe via the security keypad and surprises him on the computer.

    He is startled and not happy to see her. She connives and cajoles him into allowing her to stay and soon after they begin to argue, which in Jodi’s case means ask persistently with Travis growing more and more frustrated.

    She’s already very very angry brooding about all he has done to her and his imminent trip to Cancun. {She can’t live with him going – it would drive her insane, she can’t allow him to ‘out” her he knows she’s a sociopath, he’s totally rejected her and he’s all she wants.} Of course she doesn’t show it, her persona masks the inner turmoil.

    When the discussion turns to the Cancun trip she pleads and whimpers to Travis to either cancel the trip or take her with him. Persistently {begging, pleading} to further guilt him into acquiescing. He refuses and as gently as possible explains to her something like “No Jodi it’s over between us”

    She begins to feel the anger turn to rage but she controls it, she’s not ready to let it out yet. She feigns acceptance and defeat and switches persona to the happy go lucky ex girlfriend who concedes her loss and just needs somewhere to stay the rest of the night and catch up on some sleep cos she’s been driving all night. Travis reluctantly agrees and they fall asleep. She probably slept downstairs where she has before. This would have added to her already palpable yet still hidden rage.

    She awakens before him, showers, and sets up his new camera posing for some self porn shots, in his study downstairs. She quickly dresses in the downstairs bathroom and straps a pre made duct tape sheath complete with knife, to her calf under bell bottom black pants.

    She goes upstairs to where he is sleeping naked, and stealthily places a ky tube next to him, backs to the top of the stairs and takes a hurried photo. He wakens to the sound of the camera. He rouses sleepily and gives her the two finger sign. Immediately she clicks another shot, laughing at him in his semi conscious state. He gets up and she giddily, playfully asks to stay and eat lunch, maybe help him with his new cleaner downstairs. As usual she’s persistent so reluctantly he allows her to stay. Time drags by and she is still there at 4:30. He has an appointment at 7 so he explains she needs to get going because he has to shower, make some phone calls and go out soon.

    He’s been trying hard to muster even fake enthusiasm, constantly alluding to how she needs to get to her potential new Bf’s house, she should be with him etc etc… but of course she still won’t leave. He feels very uneasy and wants her out of the house. He’s sick of her excuses to stay.

    Inwardly she senses his reluctance, outwardly she does nothing to overtly portray the seething vortex of rage inside her. She still controls it. She pushes it deeper. Still not ready to let it out.

    Finally between 4:30 and 4:45 she feigns acquiescence, agrees she should get going, (it’s a long drive to Uta)h… and bids him farewell. Ostensibly leaving.

    Travis jumps on his computer and after 15-20 mins feels secure enough to shower. He just wanted to give extra time to make sure she didn’t come back.

    Either from a hiding spot inside the house or from outside (or maybe she was using the ruse of cleaning downstairs) she removes her shoes, quietly and meticulously padding up the stairs re-entering the bedroom/bathroom areas in socks. Camera attached to the strap around her neck.

    She can hear him in the shower, as she silently approaches the loft, he’s washing her out of his hair. He finally thinks he’s free of her. The water ensures he doesn’t hear her approach.

    She startles him in the shower and tries to lull him into a false sense of security by explaining she is just back to take some photos of him as an idea just hit her about the water effect – a la Calvin Klein photo shoot. He doesn’t want to, he is angry his privacy has been invaded. As usual she’s endlessly persistent and whiny.

    He is highly suspicious but complies, once again in the hope she takes the photos and leaves. Unbeknownst to him, his poses reflect the psycho movie stills.

    The last intended shot is of his face as he sits in the shower, she’s close enough to get water droplets on the lens. Now is the moment she has him where she wants him..

    She strikes, the camera swings in and incidentally takes a photo of his lower torso contemporaneously she drives the knife into the middle of his chest.

    He fights back, probably manages to knock her to the ground the camera swings wildly and takes a ceiling shot. Travis Staggers out of the shower and careens to the basin spitting blood. trying desperately to breathe.

    Recovering, she unclips the camera and it drops to the floor. She runs to him and starts striking him in the back her frenzy raging… he drops to his knees and starts crawling – he’s getting away!! He’s still alive!! He crawls out of the bathroom and into the hallway.. she runs with him stabbing him in the head.. he’s still breathing she knows he’s still alive, barely conscious, she raises his head and slits his throat. He’s laying at the entrance to the bedroom.

    He’s dead. She starts dragging him back to the shower. It’s difficult so she looks around and perhaps spots the bed linen. If so she rolls him onto it perhaps he will be easier to drag, she gets him back into the bathroom, he convulses, his body spasming and perhaps expels air. She panics, turns kicks the camera and it takes another incidental shot, this time of Travis laying on the floor, blood pouring from his deep neck wound. She runs to her handbag and grabs the gun runs back and shoots him in the head. She continues dragging him and hauls his body into the shower. Rinses it and steps back.

    The place is a scene out of a horror movie. This was not the plan he was supposed to die in the shower so she could easily wash his body to clean off all forensic evidence.

    She looks around furiously, how dare he ruin her plan! Now she tries to clean it up. She cleans the bath and rinses off in it.

    She grabs the camera and bundles up the towels and linen, taking them downstairs.

    She washes the bed linen as she had intended, to get rid of any DNA or other forensic trace evidence. If she used them to drag him.. to get rid of the blood. . She washes the towels and neatly positions them or replacements.

    This had all been part of her original plan and she’s carrying through with it.

    But now what? All this blood she needs to clean it up she hadn’t counted on this. She’s been cleaning while the washing machine has been cycling but it’s making little difference.

    She realises the with time restrictions the task is insurmountable, it’s taking too long she has to get to the rendezvous with the new boyfriend she’s already way later than she had hoped and Travis roommate is going to discover her.

    So many other unforeseen things faced her too. She showers and changes downstairs maybe ripping off the duct tape and entangling it in the towel.

    Now she turns her attention back to the camera deleting the photos and seeing the incidental shots. In horror throws the camera into the washing machine thinking it will be destroyed. It’s hard to believe she wanted to leave the camera but she probably panicked when she saw the incidental photos on it’s memory stick.

    For whatever reason something somewhere was looking out for Travis. Without that timeline this would be a whole different ball game.

    62 seconds… think about it… 62 seconds that is not long to go from sitting in the shower to being a slaughtered corpse on the bathroom floor. Horrendous.

    The duct tape knife sheath detached from her calf lays in front of the washing machine.

    She takes the knife, gun her blood stained clothes out to her car. She starts driving. Destination unknown, could be Travis’ gold digger place, that blog entry incensed her and it’s only 25 miles each way.

    By the time she is done ridding herself of the blood stained evidence and probably the weapons It’s way later than she had hoped and she needs to make her calls as soon as she can but she has to be far enough away not to appear that she has been in Mesa.

    The coverup begins.

    • Crystal Harris
      04/13/2013 at 10:52 am

      I like your scenario. I have a few quibbles with it logistically though. 1. I think it would take way too long to get the sheets, wrap Travis up and drag him back to the shower within the time frame of the time stamped pictures. 62 secs is fast! 2. IF she did use the sheets to drag Travis’ body, there would be so much blood on them that I doubt highly that one wash cycle would remove all trace if it and leave behind not a single stain? And 3. The duct tape…if it had been strapped to her body as a sheath, it would contain Jodi’s DNA evidence. There’d be no way to get it off the tape.
      Just pointing out where I see weaknesses so you can make your strong argument even stronger! 🙂

      • 04/13/2013 at 2:55 pm

        I’ve heard many people talk about her need to wrap/lay his body on something to drag it down the hall and into the bathroom, but why? Her adrenalin had to have been pumping at demonic speed. She may well have had enough superhuman strength, with that kind of deep seated hatred and fury, to drag his body with no help. I’d even go as far as to say that she was demonically possessed at the time. This she-monster is evil to the core.

      • 04/13/2013 at 5:29 pm

        I don like the sheets either 😛 Dont reckon it fits!! I too think would still have left blood traces after a wash exactly my thoughts when I tried to incorporate it 🙂

      • 04/13/2013 at 5:33 pm

        hmmm duct tape is annoying always has been to me. It looks like a knife sheathe in the pic but need a 3d image to verify..if its from his arm alone seems to be too much of it too. Maybe there is dna on it did they test it? 😛

    • Lisa M
      04/13/2013 at 11:17 am

      Okay Syn you need to pursue a career in crime writing. Seriously! You could make a lot of money!

    • Anonymous
      04/13/2013 at 11:49 am

      Excellent Santara!! I think you really have something here. Very plausible!!! Did anyone hear Juanderful wants to do a reenactment of the murder on rebuttal? Defense is fighting it. I certainly hope judge allows it

      • 04/13/2013 at 2:45 pm

        No way!! Hope he considers Syn’s take on it too!

      • 04/13/2013 at 5:44 pm

        hahha he has more info than I. I would LOVE to see how he interprets everything. Im not saying it happened the way I say.. I’m just trying to build a scenario that best fits with the limited evidence so far presented and my understanding of the relationship in their dynamic.

        Also trying to take what she said in the ninja story bits here and there Im sure are truth just weeding it out is the problem.

        Juan will have far more to work with. That cleaner comes into it Im convinced of it too. The one in the middle of the floor downstairs. Plus I left out her putting up the divider (fence) for Napoleon. So basically it is a story with as much in it of the evidence so far as our limited scope allows.

    • Laine
      04/13/2013 at 2:04 pm

      I don’t believe she used the sheet it would have been to bloody to clean even in the washer, I think she threw water down the hallway with the cup and dragged him back in the water, allowing his body to slide easier. This would also make sense of the diluted sock prints on the carpet at the end of the bathroom hallway where she slit his throat and they were pointed out by Juan in cross. she then threw water around the rest of the bathroom floor in attempt to clean the scene, but there was too much blood.Otherwise I think it’s very accurate! Well done Syn 🙂

      • 04/13/2013 at 5:26 pm

        I agree I dont like the sheets!!!

      • Douglme
        04/13/2013 at 9:54 pm

        Was the bedspread or Duvet cover missing? Seems to me I heard that, maybe that is what she rolled him onto and dragged him down the hall on and then took that with her.

      • 04/13/2013 at 11:26 pm

        Mel… yeah.. but it had to be used after the 62 seconds or there isn’t time to fit it in. I can’t picture exactly where that pic is taken. Need help on that.

    • 04/13/2013 at 2:35 pm

      I just can’t get past the doggy door…

    • 04/13/2013 at 2:43 pm

      Wow, Syn, that’s the best explanation of possible events that I’ve heard yet. Very, very thorough. I had never thought about the staged photo of him in bed with the KY. You presented a really solid case here. Bravo!

    • 04/13/2013 at 6:50 pm

      This is right on the mark Syntara!! I have thought from the
      very beginning of watching this trial that Jodi had the knife taped somehow/where on her person when she started taking the photos in shower stall of Travis! The thing that has bothered me the most is HTH did she get Travis into the position she did? I don’t think that he would have been so lax in his assessment of her and what she may be capable of doing to him that he would have trusted her in the bathroom, bed or anywhere else.!!!
      I believe that Travis was not so sexually sucked in by Jodi that he would have willingly welcomed her into his home at anytime never mind 3-4am.,knowing that she was a nut case!!
      Travis DEFINITELY knew that Arias was bad news and had done many things to rid himself of this negative bitch so NO HE DID NOT let her in willingly, that’s why he’s deceased today and this trial is in progress.

      • 04/13/2013 at 7:26 pm

        Trial Watcher.. it bothers me too he sat down.. I think because we all so want him not to have! We all scream at him “Don’t sit down!”

        She is very conniving and convincing however she did it was cold, calculating and extremely manipulative and she was displaying a persona completely masking her true thoughts. That too is almost too diabolical to fully process, for me anyhow.

        I find myself imagining it to a point then my mind literally shuts down and won’t fully follow it through.

      • kristin
        04/13/2013 at 9:33 pm

        I agree about his disinterest in sex with her that night. Did she set up a timer to take the naked and repulsive pictures of herself?

    • 04/13/2013 at 8:19 pm

      Your thought about him fighting back and possibly knocking her to the ground would fig with her fairy tale version of him attacking her after she supposedly drops his camera. Knowing how astute you are, you probably already figured that in to your scenario of events already. 😉

      But reading it all laid out like that was chilling. I can’t even imagine the terror Travis experienced in that one and last moment if his life.

      • 04/13/2013 at 8:33 pm

        ya that’s actually what I used to come up with that.. the “linebacker” 🙂

    • Tracey A
      04/13/2013 at 10:10 pm

      Wow! This is horrifying to read thru this as I can just picture it all in mind But…

      The sheets bother me too. I think JA’s adrenaline rush was off the charts and she could’ve dragged Travis’ body by herself. HLN (stop it!) ran a re-creation using a woman very close to JA’s height and weight and a mannequin that matched Travis’ weight at the time of autopsy. The woman was able to drag “his” body but it was difficult. But then her adrenaline was pumping like JA’s.

      The photo sequence shows the time frame of the murder from about 5:30pm to 5:31 (and change or close to). One thing that bothers me is the roommate that was due home around 6pm. Would JA have known this or was he one of the newer roommates. And the fact that the bed linens were found in the dryer. That’s a tough stretch to actually wait for the sheets to complete a wash cycle while she’s under the duress of the clock ticking and she needs to leave. It was as I recall, Travis’ clothing items and some towels that found in the washer. I think perhaps Travis may have put the sheets in the wash himself. JA may have moved them to the dryer so she could wash the other items including the camera.

      I can’t remember (well, I can but don’t want to)RE: the NASTY photos. I don’t recall the background on those. You think those were taken by her down in his office???

      I’m under the impression that you don’t believe they had sex that day (yes or no!! HA!)??? I do believe they had sex that day. JA would’ve done ANYTHING to try to win him back and she would’ve offered up anything. Travis acquiesced. But I do think he was asleep while she took those photos of him.

      And the “two finger sign” he gives her in that photo…we here in the States typically give a single full bird salute. I only learned about the “two finger sign” during my visit to the UK) I think he woke up and was merely just raising his hand (that’s minutia, I know, just my take).

      More thoughts to follow, but something for you to digest…

      • 04/13/2013 at 10:31 pm

        she’s sneaky.. I think that’s why she didn’t clean up properly..and those roommates were not the most observant. I can’t even get my head around how they didn’t know he was dead for 5 friggin days and at least one was constantly in and out of that house. So that’s not really a big issue to me.

  5. 04/13/2013 at 10:10 am

    Hey ya’ll, I just got up. Gonna run some errands. Thought about picking up a used copy of Fatal Attraction. But why? Will catch up when I get back in in a coupla hours.

  6. 04/13/2013 at 11:11 am

    Drats, had unexpected company last night. How thoughless of them. So read posts into the wee morning till the eyes drooped to the point where even toothpicks holding them up couldn’t help. Here I am still in bed, day off and where am I? Barely at #888. Thought I would take a quick break and do a little research. Oh my i found Travis’ original memorial here

    http://showbizdaily.net/scandals/tanisha-sorenson-travis-alexanders-sister/

    It’s probably been covered before as you all are so up on everything but It’s breaking my heart even more. I just want to protect that little boy. I realize our time on this earth is numbered but for someone else to snuff it out purposely is so beyond… There is absolutely no reason, justification… However I am inspired to make today a better day than yesterday. I’m going to work on myself first to be a better person, help those in need, be kinder and gentler and realize this life is precious. I’m waxing so philosophical today. Thank you Travis.

  7. Carmen
    04/13/2013 at 11:18 am

    This is a clip from Wilmott’s Web site. It’s obvious she needs to stick with DUI cases.

    Jennifer dedicates her entire practice to defending those charged with
    crimes and DUIs. She practices in Maricopa County Superior Court and
    all city courts, including Phoenix, Tempe, Chandler, Gilbert, Mesa,
    Buckeye, Tolleson, Glendale, Peoria, and Surprise.

    Link to Wilmott’s law: http://willmottlaw.com/attorneys.html

    • Jay
      04/13/2013 at 12:20 pm

      After this trial, when she comes to her senses and realizes what she’s done to her own reputation with all that unprofessional cozening up and lovey-dopey arm drapes with Arias, somebody may have to defend her against a DUI charge…

    • 04/13/2013 at 6:57 pm

      I checked out JW’s web-site. Odd her own father (if alive) didn’t warn her against taking on a case such as this! After years of exp. u think he would’ve known what this could do to his daughter’s career! poor Jenny oh poor poor Jenny! Too stupid too know any better and at her age LOL

  8. Crystal Harris
    04/13/2013 at 11:36 am

    Here’s a laugh, but also shows Twitter’s bias. I was monitoring Jodi’s Twitter page this morning (no new tweets) and at the bottom where Twitter makes suggestions of other Twitter users “like Jodi”, number one on the list was Reince Preibus, GOP chairman. Hello? I’m hardcore conservative, but no fan of Reince Preibus, so that’s why I laughed at first. But really, Twitter? Give me a break.

  9. HJ Madison
    04/13/2013 at 11:40 am

    So I had to bail out last night …. is there any update on the LaViolette show? Heard a good reason why she has been called back?

  10. Jay
    04/13/2013 at 11:45 am

    BREAKING NEWS:

    Reliable sources have indicated Alyce LaViolette has been put on retainer as adviser to Katie Holmes for her forthcoming divorce from Tom Cruise. LaViolette will be interviewing Holmes to establish domestic abuse in their five year marriage in order to increase the meager settlement offered by Cruise. Among the strategies available to LaViolette to prove domestic abuse against Cruise and the character deficiencies leading to it are:

    The Small Man Syndrome (shorter men who resent their taller female companions are more like to be resentful and rage-full)

    Acts of Masturbation to photos of Franciscan Monks (Cruise once a seminary student);

    Demeaning Character Assassination (cursing Holmes out for having a skinnier ass than Cameron Diaz his co-star in “Vanilla Sky” and “Knight and Day,” flabbier breasts than Michelle Monaghan “Mission: Impossible III,” and providing inferior oral sex to what he received from Thandie Newton “Mission: Impossible II,” Julianne Moore “Magnolia,” and Demi Moore “A Few Good Men.”

    Although LaViolette will not be able to interview any of those women, it is reported she has assured the Holmes team she will be able to rely on thousands of pages of collateral documentation from Hollywood gossip and fan magazines, and from subliminal give-away facial tics, body language, and the true indications of lust for those women hidden behind the film dialogs.

    • 04/13/2013 at 11:49 am

      Ha ha! Fabulous, thank you!

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/13/2013 at 12:20 pm

        BRAVO.

      • Jay
        04/13/2013 at 12:23 pm

        Thanks for the thanks 🙂

    • TexiBelle
      04/13/2013 at 4:46 pm

      I knew that was a joke when you stated that Tom Cruise received oral sex from women.

    • 04/13/2013 at 5:14 pm

      Too Good For Words!!! COOL COOL COOL!!! By the way Who r we for, Katie or Tom? LOL

      • Crystal Harris
        04/13/2013 at 9:24 pm

        I was just super impressed, and jealous actually, that they were able to handle their divorce cleanly and like adults and not drag it out. It’s all over and has been for months. Good for them both, and especially good for their daughter.

  11. 04/13/2013 at 11:46 am

    Good morning/afternoon … I wasn’t able to watch yesterday but am intrigued by comments made about the judge telling the gasbag she had to show up and was not concerned about her personal issues. Is there a link to a video of that exchange? Thank you, donchais, and the rest of the folks on here for such enlightening comments.

    • Marilyn N
      04/13/2013 at 11:52 am

      Hi CC: Here it is – after the 28 minute mark –

      • Jay
        04/13/2013 at 12:31 pm

        Hi Marilyn N… I was feeling like I was pretty smart, finally figuring out how to get my old WordPress icon to show; but now I’m sulking with inferiority, not having a clue how to post a YouTube video here. Or a graphic of any kind. Any tips how to do it for the online challenged slow-pokes like me?

      • 04/13/2013 at 1:00 pm

        Thanks, Marilyn. 🙂

      • 04/13/2013 at 7:12 pm

        I CAN NOT handle watching and listening to ALV!!!!!!
        What a phoney sidestepping mouthpiece!
        I hear on HLN(LOL) that she’s on breakdown action, I bet she’s pissed she took this job on!!!

      • 04/13/2013 at 7:15 pm

        Marilyn Do U think that JW was making signals to ALV?
        Ex: pulling on earring?

      • Tracey A
        04/13/2013 at 10:22 pm

        LOL!

        ALV – blah blah blah

        Judge – Miss ALV please do not tell me your personal issues!

        Priceless! If she hadn’t been playing games with Juan while on cross and not so enjoyed the giggle fest between her and Perky, she would’ve been done long long ago.

    • HJ Madison
      04/13/2013 at 11:55 am

      It happened at the very, very end of yesterday. Check Youtube … juror 11 was excused for illness (and the judge said to the jury “as you all know juror11 has been ill and is excused” or something like that. Then we had just a few more minutes …. one last jury question…. JM followed up with one last slam ….. jury left the room. The judge told LaLa turned to the judge and said something and the judge told her to “just sit there”. First Ms. Wong (an HLN reporter) was confirmed to testify on Monday at 11. Then the judge told LaLa to be back on Tuesday for “reasons we have discussed”… LaLa whines about an appt. and the judge tells her not to tell her about her personal issues…. she is under subpeona and is ordered back. unless the judge relases her.

      Speculation is it has something to do with Lala approaching TA’s family earlier this week.

      • Jay
        04/13/2013 at 12:10 pm

        If ALV is cited by the judge for improperly approaching TA’s family what range of punishments are available to her? Jail time? Fines?

        How about having her write on a blackboard 1,000 times “I Shall Not Misrepresent Evidence In A Trial!”

      • Crystal Harris
        04/13/2013 at 12:54 pm

        IF ALV gets in trouble, it will likely be in the form of a sanction of some sort. A sanction can include a fine. Please understand how extremely difficult it is to put people in prison or jail. It really doesn’t happen unless someone is a career criminal or has been convicted of a felony.

      • Irie Girl
        04/13/2013 at 9:18 pm

        I just watched the end of the video again and I really think LaViolette is in some kind of trouble because of these comments from the judge to LaViollete:

        1)28:49 … return on Tuesday to complete your testimony unless I release you from your subpoena prior to that time. There is another issue that the, I think you are aware of the additional issue, so that we’ll need you to be back here on Tuesday.

        2)29:39 … a conversation on Monday, on the record after everyone’s had an opportunity to follow up on the issue we’ve discussed and at that time I will hear anything else you will have sssss, (i think she was going to say said) you will have made preparations and we can talk about it at that time. Alright but plan to be back here on Tuesday as of right now, you are still under subpoena.

        I could be totally off in my interpretation but I think there is an issue with her credentials and/or experience and the court wants documentation.

        Does anyone know, if it were to be an issue of (would that be fraud ?) forged credentials would the reference checking and discipline be between LaViollete and the State Court or would it play out in this court room? I mean would she just not be back to this trial or would the jury see it all?

  12. 04/13/2013 at 12:13 pm

    Hey, can anybody tell me how to change my password, my security has been compromised by an Arias. So if I start raving about what a POS I am, it ain’t me.

  13. Anonymous
    04/13/2013 at 12:38 pm

    Hey, this is Bubble, how can I change my password, I fear a lady creep is kacking my account

  14. Marilyn N
    04/13/2013 at 12:48 pm

    Hi Jay,
    I just copied the url address, then pasted it onto the reply area.
    Make sense??

    • Jay
      04/13/2013 at 1:38 pm

      Thanks, if I ever have anything visually interesting to post, I’ll give it a try…

      • Marilyn N
        04/13/2013 at 5:58 pm

        Hey Jay,
        Try it by posting something to yourself in an email.
        I do that all the time for a test!!

  15. 04/13/2013 at 12:50 pm

    Working on changing my password

    • 04/13/2013 at 1:04 pm

      Good luck, bubble … I had the same issue with wordpress a month or so ago. No matter what I did it would not allow me to change it (or even access my account). I finally wrote to them and asked them to cancel my account. They responded (much to my surprise) and followed through. Maybe you could use that route to change it? Hope this helps.

    • Laine
      04/13/2013 at 1:59 pm

      You may be better off opening a new email account then closing this wordpress account and starting a new one with the new email. worth a try!

  16. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/13/2013 at 1:03 pm

    Loved after Juan established that the one who “perpetrated” was the “perpetrator” on her “continuum,” he asked LaGasbag, “whats that new term, the word you use, the word for victim, in vogue now?” (what sneaky, great language, flicked away like a flyswat.)
    Without missing a beat she goes: “survivor”

    So, right away we got the image of both: the “perpertrator” who was now dead.
    and the one perpertrated upon, who was now sitting at the table. The defendant was the “survivor.”

    I mean this is a murder trial, and the confessed killer is sitting at the table. How can one use language – or reason – to describe the killer as the “survivor?”

    • Lisa M
      04/13/2013 at 3:07 pm

      Yeah that was awesome on Juan’s part. The irony of the survivor being literally a survivor and the “perpetratrator” being dead didn’t go unnoticed I’m sure. Actually it’s not really irony, b/c the “survivor” would not have survived if that were the case. It’s kind of an inverse irony!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/13/2013 at 6:36 pm

      upon reflection, I’d say,, I “misspoke” and change it to: .”. describe THIS killer as the “survivor.”

  17. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/13/2013 at 1:10 pm

    Sandbox not very busy today. Understandable after yesterday and the days off. I wouldn’t be surprised if I tiptoed out the door later to check up on everyone. Justice 4 Travis.

  18. Mckealty
    04/13/2013 at 1:20 pm

    If whatever Jodi says and does after she was arrested can “be used against her in a court of law” why is it that none of her interviews with Detective Flores are allowed?

    What is the legal loophole that exists where I always see defendants get to hide that stuff from the jury?

    • Crystal Harris
      04/13/2013 at 1:35 pm

      It is deemed by the Judge to outweigh its evidentiary value by the prejudice it may produce in the jury. I think it’s BS, but we’ve learned that criminals have so many rights! Ugh!!

      • Mckealty
        04/13/2013 at 1:45 pm

        Agreed and thank you for the clarification.

        But, I’m not being obtuse, if the person says it and it’s damning what legal maneuvering is done to get it hidden?

        In this case in particular, what did the defense say and do to get this hidden? Is that a matter of public record yet?

      • Jay
        04/13/2013 at 1:54 pm

        Yeah, excluding evidence like that mostly a lot of BS. I could never understand the logic behind it: that ‘truthful’ evidence no matter how prejudicial is excluded. It’s not prejudicing the jury, it’s informing them. Especially not excluding evidence after a defense witness testifies to something contradictory to the facts. Like ALV testifying Arias wasn’t a long time consistent liar, and excluding her parents interviews which indicated she was lying to the FROM the time she was a teenager, and continued to be verbally abusive.

        Also still don’t understand why the forged pornography letters, which were excluded from being introduced by the defense because they were deemed forgeries, but available for the prosecution’s use, weren’t used by JM to show Arias’ intent to deceive. Any theories why he hasn’t used them for that purpose?

      • Jim
        04/13/2013 at 4:41 pm

        When I think about the interrogation tapes, I think about the handstand, the comments about the makeup/her worrying about the mugshot. etc. – the 4 hours of her diarrhea of the mouth is dead last, because I knew she was a liar before the tapes were released.

        So my problem with the interrogation videos: Her antics paint the picture of a COMPLETE COOKOO.

        I wouldn’t want the jury thinking about not giving her the DP because they think she nuts after watching her completely bizarre behavior on those tapes…

      • Jim
        04/13/2013 at 5:08 pm

        Her behavior on the stand, and at the defense table, paints the picture of a cold-hearted, vindictive B!TCH! that enjoyed slaughtering TA – that version of JA makes you WANT to jam a needle full of drano up her ass, and fill it to overflowing… just saying..

  19. 04/13/2013 at 1:35 pm

    RnR, yeah, the Survivor angle, good call. I loved how the judge shut her down yesterday. But Judge I/ It’s about time we heard something stern from this judge.

  20. 04/13/2013 at 1:36 pm

    Hey everybody, changed my password! Someone was looking out. Thanks a bunch.

  21. NancyB
    04/13/2013 at 1:36 pm

    I’m sooo behind in reading comments and dislike it. This is in response to some comments on the previous thread about lesser included charges. The charging conference happens after all evidence has been presented and before the jury is given instructions. The lawyers can argue for or against instructions for lesser included offenses, and the judge will give instructions for any lesser included offenses that could possibly be supported by the evidence.

    If I had to guess, I’d say the jury will get instructions for manslaughter and maybe 2nd degree murder, although I don’t really see any evidence for 2nd degree since Jodi can’t remember what was happening at the time she killed Travis. I think the judge will give the instruction anyway, if the defense requests it.

    • Lisa M
      04/13/2013 at 3:10 pm

      For another thing self-defense doesn’t even work because they’re saying the gun went off. So they’re really saying accidental homicide, or maybe that’s fall under manslaughter, aren’t they? Even in the false scenario she can’t admit to pulling the trigger on purpose.

      • Marilyn N
        04/13/2013 at 3:38 pm

        In reviewing lots of murder cases, it is quite common that the killer will say “oh, the gun just went off!!” That excuse, along with “remembering nothing”. All of this stuff is so old hat to Juan and other prosecutors (& detectives). That is why it’s such a joke that JA thinks she is so much smarter than anyone
        when they (juan&others) have seen it and heard it time after time after time.

  22. Laine
    04/13/2013 at 1:48 pm

    Evening All! Just thought I would post this for you…credentials of Dr. DeMarte:
    Dr. Janeen DeMarte is a licensed clinical psychologist currently operating a private practice in Phoenix, Arizona. Dr. DeMarte completed both her master’s and Ph.D. in clinical psychology at Michigan State University and fulfilled an APA approved doctoral residency at Arizona State Hospital.

    Dr. DeMarte conducts psychological therapy and assessment for a broad range of clients. Her diverse therapeutic aptitudes have been developed over years of experience providing care to clients from all walks of life, with ages spanning from early childhood to older adults. Her clinical training was conducted in a variety of settings including correctional facilities, outpatient clinics, and inpatient units.

    Dr. DeMarte served as the Clinical Director of a large outpatient behavioral health clinic in Phoenix where she oversaw the practice of numerous multidisciplinary treatment providers. During her tenure, Dr. DeMarte developed a highly coveted program for practicum students from Arizona State University, Agrosy University, and several other academic institutions. She has also instructed at the university level for bachelor’s students and provided intensive training for master’s and doctoral students of clinical psychology.

    Pretty impressive stuff! Not shocked Juan would have one of the best!!

    • 04/13/2013 at 2:34 pm

      Laine; thanks for the information. What a breath of fresh air to hear someone testify who knows what she is talking about. Wondering how Willy is going to do on cross without scripted testimony?

    • Lisa M
      04/13/2013 at 3:04 pm

      Wow very impressive. No wonder Juan wanted the jury to be well aware that ALV doesn’t have a doctorate. His expert certainly does!

    • Lisa M
      04/13/2013 at 3:12 pm

      Can’t wait to hear Dr. Demartes diagnosis of Jodi! I’m guessing antisocial personality disorder.

    • LindaLou
      04/13/2013 at 3:51 pm

      Hi Everyone. When Dr. DeMarte testifies, can you imagine the daggers that will be thrown her way by the very unfortunate beast sitting at the defense table? She is gonna one po’d defendant that day. I can’t wait!

      • Commerce1
        04/13/2013 at 8:56 pm

        I predict we may actually see real tears from the monster during that testimony. The only time I ever saw my sociopathic ex-husband cry was when he was on the witness stand on the verge of being convicted of domestic violence and he felt trapped because the prosecutor was reaming him out publicly for his behavior. Sociopaths do not like being exposed. To have a credentialled (and attractive) female psychologist on the witness stand outing Jodi as a sociopath to a worldwide audience will almost certainly be more than she can bear. I predict she will alternate between rage and actual tears.

        Hope the sheriff’s deputy has that stun belt fully charged and operational that day…..You might see Jodi flying over the defense table

      • Commerce1
        04/13/2013 at 8:57 pm

        Like an episode of When Animals Attack…..

      • kristin
        04/13/2013 at 9:37 pm

        Oh yeah! JA will blast hate as the media talks about how attractive and accomplished she is. JA is just an ugly lil thang.

    • 04/13/2013 at 6:02 pm

      Laine, I’m a bit behind the power curve, but do you happen to know about the status of Dr. DeMarte’s missing laptop (stolen from her home) that had Jodi’s psychologial profile on it? I read the initial story, but haven’t heard anything since.

      • Laine
        04/14/2013 at 5:58 pm

        Hi Mark Sorry I must have missed this and only just caught it again! I don’t believe her laptop was ever recovered but she had everything on hard copy so nothing was lost thank goodness!

  23. Laine
    04/13/2013 at 1:51 pm

    Oh and the punchline…..one of the tests that she does in evaluation…

    Intelligence & Cognitive Testing is conducted by using intelligence tests to identify cognitive strengths, weaknesses, and developmental delay (e.g., memory ability).

    Hee hee hee…thats all I have to say……

    • LindaLou
      04/13/2013 at 3:58 pm

      Laine, and I betcha she’ll have a written report that we all can refer back to!

      • 04/13/2013 at 8:24 pm

        I’ll bet she’ll remember her glasses too! 🙂

    • 04/13/2013 at 5:59 pm

      best part is:

      Specialties (only 3 listed)

      Testing and Evaluation
      Personality Disorders
      Trauma and PTSD

    • 04/13/2013 at 6:01 pm

      plus I bet she recorded it… boy do I wanna hear that but maybe cant cos of privilege? What’s the legal call on that she is an assessor not a therapist so is there any confidentiality clause?

      • Jim
        04/13/2013 at 6:31 pm

        I think elements of the recording (if there is one) would come in IF there was a problem with a statement, i.e. “but LaLa, you said she said she shot him in the closet” – being able to roll tape would have resolved who was lying about what…

      • 04/13/2013 at 6:35 pm

        deMarte will have it recorded it’s usual practice. I’d be willing to bet on it Jimbo!!!

      • Jim
        04/13/2013 at 7:06 pm

        Your reply above ^^^^ says it all!! Dahlink. The jury is looking for a reasonable explanation from someone they can believe.

    • Jay
      04/13/2013 at 7:10 pm

      Prosecution Direct:

      JM: Good morning Dr. DeMarte
      JDM: Good morning Mr. Martinez
      JM: Are you familiar with the defense’s contention Miss Arias was a victim of domestic violence?
      JDM: I am aware of that.
      JM: Is it possible to come to the conclusion that the defendant was an abuse victim without direct evidence of injuries suffered or police reports or other firsthand witness reports, and only by interviewing her, and reading secondary material like emails and text messages and journal entries?
      JDM: Only if you’re a Gypsy fortune teller drawing your conclusions from a foggy crystal ball, Mr. Martinez.
      JM: Thank you. No further questions.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/13/2013 at 8:04 pm

        I like it. works for me!

      • 04/13/2013 at 8:34 pm

        She may want to refrain from using any form of the word “fog.”

    • Commerce1
      04/13/2013 at 8:58 pm

      Hee hee hee indeed.

  24. HJ Madison
    04/13/2013 at 2:58 pm

    Does anyone know …. is there really one more defense witness?

    • Lisa M
      04/13/2013 at 3:31 pm

      I really don’t know but I think there’s one more witness, related to some technical issue. I didn’t hear the defense say they were resting on Friday.

    • 04/13/2013 at 4:20 pm

      Hi H J Madison~~ yes there is a Ms Wong from HLN re: the pictures of Juan and persons in front if the courthouse. The subject matter that Jean Casarez was called to the stand by the defense.

    • LindaLou
      04/13/2013 at 7:52 pm

      I’m not sure but I thought that Ms Wong isn’t testifying as part the criminal case but is being called as a result of the motion for mistrial which is separate from the criminal case. I read somewhere (probably someone posted here previously) that defense may call a former cell mate of JA – – Kimberly Ross.

      • 04/13/2013 at 8:36 pm

        Appropriate. End her defense with a prisoner. That would be awesome!

      • 04/13/2013 at 8:52 pm

        LindaLou~~I do believe you are correct. My mistake thx for the correction.

  25. Lisa M
    04/13/2013 at 3:28 pm

    Crystal Harris on 04/13/2013:
    “I’ve been meaning to comment on one of the justifications ALV gave for Jodi not writing anything about DV in her journals. ALV said that if Jodi was making up the DV, Jodi would have started writing it down in her journal even before the murder and around the murder and after the murder and “would make up a better lie” we’re her exact words.
    Does ALV not realize that Einstein Jodi just didn’t think of the DV self-defense Defense until they met her? And then it was too late to go back and change all her journals to corroborate all the DV she said Travis perpetrated upon her.”

    Yes, Crystal! I was thinking the same thing when she said that! She was never going to use that defense till two or three years after the murder. The most plausibke reason why she didn’t write about abuse in her journal is because it never happened

    • Lisa M
      04/13/2013 at 3:28 pm

      Should say plausible — oops

    • 04/13/2013 at 8:40 pm

      Great catch, Crystal and Lisa! Wow!

  26. Carmen
    04/13/2013 at 3:49 pm

    I just saw this on twitter. I don’t know if its true.
    @Just_Me1965: Puff Puff Pass Jenni! No wonder Jodi is always so close she wants a contact high! #jodiarias http://t.co/mFkwv7HMPF

    4/13/13, 2:17PM

    • MMD
      04/13/2013 at 4:57 pm

      I don’t know if that is true or not because I believe that Willmott is her maiden name and she didn’t change it. The firm she works for was founded by Kenneth Willmott who I believe is her father. He was originally a CPA.

      If I’m wrong feel free to correct me!!!

      • Marilyn N
        04/13/2013 at 6:03 pm

        Hi MMD,
        I am pretty confident that Kenneth is JW’s husband.
        They are about the same age. You can google his name
        and click images to see his photo. 😊

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/13/2013 at 6:50 pm

      Well, as someone who has watched her and listrened to her for weeks now, I’d say that that information is the first and the best thing I can say about her that is positive.

    • Jay
      04/13/2013 at 7:14 pm

      I’m OK with her smoking pot… That would be the first sign she’s human and not some zombie defense lawyer under the spell of her throat-cutting manipulator (woman-pulator?) client.

      • 04/14/2013 at 12:22 pm

        hey Jay!
        The pot smoking would be the only good thing about Wily! Wonder if she owns a volcano as I do!

    • Marilyn N
      04/14/2013 at 1:04 am

      Hi
      I found the court records and it is a different Jennifer for the pot conviction.
      The one arrested is much younger than our friendly defense attorney.

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 8:12 am

        Didn’t think it was her but as for Kenneth being her husband, see my correction below to you 🙂

  27. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/13/2013 at 3:50 pm

    Helllo All….well we old hens were scattered yesterday on Gramma Duty. Picking up grandkids, delivering grandkids, or babysitting grandkids! But…since HLN is sooooo far behind the live feed, we were able to see Juan the Mon do his stuff!! All we can say is WOW…WOW…WOW!! Juantastic!! Where JM would get an objection the Jury was able to bring it to the forefront with their questions! Where there’s a will there’s a way!!

    So we were talking and we’re all wondering if some of you legal eagles out there could answer some questions for us:

    1) After she is convicted of 1st Degree/Pre med we’re sure that Nurm the Wurm will have paperwork for an appeal all ready to hand to the judge. Since these two morons handled the original case and the taxpayers footed their bills does that mean that Public Defenders will then be assigned to handle the appeals and once again the Taxpayers of AZ will once again be footing the bill for JAs defense? or

    2) Will she need to provide her own attorneys and pay for the appeals herself?

    3) Can the Alexander Family immediately file a Wrongful Death suit immediately upon her sentencing even though an appeal has been recorded or do they have to wait until all of JAs appeals have been exhausted?

    Now keep in mind we are asking if she is sentenced to Life w/o Parole. DP would be great and would free the Taxpayers (and the world) of this scumbag!!

    :>)

    • NancyB
      04/13/2013 at 4:49 pm

      CiCi – The trial atty’s are never the ones to file on an appellate level. Those appeals are mandatory in a death penalty convicted inmate and a new team of appellate attorneys will be assigned. The appeals are paid for by the State since she was determined to be indigent, but new information in this thread upstairs mentions new efforts by the state of AZ to claim all her profits from her “artwork” and have those funds either turned over to the Alexander family or applied toward her defense. After the verdict, the Alexander family can file a suit in civil court, if they so chose to. I am NOT a lawyer and have no real knowledge base so if any of this is incorrect I am hopeful that Jim or WIS or another legal eagle will correct me.

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/13/2013 at 5:28 pm

        Thank you!

      • 04/13/2013 at 8:49 pm

        Artwork, shmartwork! x:(

    • truejustice
      04/13/2013 at 5:30 pm

      If a civil lawsuit is filed before the appeals process the defendant can ask to delay the proceedings due to possible violation of 5th amendment rights and/or self incrimination. There is a statute of limitations of how long after the incident the suit can be filed so this is a consideration.. although those for murder are usually much longer. Usually what happens is that the family either waits to file/ or drops their civil suit until after the appeals process to ensure their suit does not jeopardize the legal conviction.

      • 04/13/2013 at 5:47 pm

        TJ~~a question, do they get more than 1 opportunity to appeal? And if so, does the family have to wait until all appeals are finalized?? TY much.

      • truejustice
        04/13/2013 at 7:31 pm

        They can appeal all the way up to the supreme court. The first appeal in a dp case is automatic. After that they need to prove basis for appeal and can be turned down. However , there is kind of a run of mill process . See: http://off2dr.com/smf/index.php?topic=8796.0

        IMO It would not be in the best interest to file a civil suit if she is convicted. The girl is broke , she has no assets. Once she is convicted she can no longer earn money from the sale of her artwork etc it’s deemed as illegally profiting from your crime (for the most part). She will make somewhere around 40.00 MAX a month in prison – and only a percentage can be taken for restitution, child support etc.

        Personally I’d rather see them spend their time and resources healing and taking a vacation rather them spending more time in court for no gain. Now there would be a great campaign to start .. like the one for the bullied bus lady.

        Of course my opinion changes completely if the unthinkable happens.

      • 04/13/2013 at 8:58 pm

        Thanks for your info and your opinion!!!!! Yes, it would be a waste of time and energy on their part, so she will wait and see……..

      • 04/13/2013 at 8:59 pm

        Sorry, not she, ***we

  28. NancyB
    04/13/2013 at 4:15 pm

    I have been f-u-m-i-n-g outraged and infuriated since I saw a package (a long one) on CNN yesterday morning while I was getting ready to leave for my appt. Ahleigh Banfield had on Jean Casarez along with a panel of 4 attorneys. The topic was based on the so-called digital lynch mob. Poor Alyce being “followed” to that restaurant a few nights ago (where that picture was taken of her with JW and Maria the mitigation specialist having dinner.) The article by Michael Keifer referenced claims of harassment and intimidation of a witness etc. I was so angry at these disingenuous and devious false claims that were the central and only focus of the piece. It was a very unbalanced one-sided segment.

    Several people who have been in court on a daily basis from 3 different blogs have reported the following statements on this issue:

    “Laviolette, DelaRosa and Willmott waltzed in to the Palomar for dinner last night. Of all the restaurants near the court, they go to the one where ALL the media stay and where we go for our Happy Hours after court. I call that BAITING.” (This was last night)

    “Because they made a big stink about having their photo snapped at a Pei Wei. So what do they do? They go where they KNOW they will be seen together instead of avoiding it or not eating together and leaving themselves open to speculation. It’s blatant.”

    “Supposedly she goes in to the ER this weekend w/ anxiety over this stress she’s feeling and instead of getting Chinese takeout, going to her hotel, bringing her to your house, ordering a pizza, finding a small hole in the wall restaurant near your house, making her a peanut butter sandwich, they choose to walk directly in to the hornet’s nest. This was deliberate and I think this DT is setting up all kinds of circumstances to go for a mistrial.”

    There is a PATTERN (ha!!!) regarding ALV: First she’s sick and court is canceled; then she goes to ER and we hear about it in the media (making a record if it? – usually that’s a private thing); then there’s a mistrial motion that references the stress she’s endured; then there’s a significant media story about it, in the middle of her testimony; then she’s photographed in a known media hangout almost as if she was placed there for that purpose; then she tells the judge, today, that she can’t be back to court on Monday because she’s having more “tests.” She felt the need to say that while the cameras were on her. Probably more stress” tests. There’s the record, all ready for the motion…

    According to Keifer’s article this week, apparently ALV thinks she’s being stalked and harassed. So why walk right in to the hornet’s nest? Why not choose a restaurant, any other restaurant in the entire city of Phoenix that does not revolve around this trial?

    There is absolutely NO proof whatsoever that ALV was followed to the restaurant where her picture was taken. None.

    The reaction of the public is not mob mentality and I’m sick of that fallacy being promoted through the media by her defense team. The media pundits fail to note that our ire has been stimulated by ALV’s hypocrisy in taking this case to vouch for this psychopathic and premeditated killer and in actively supporting the defense of her actions being justified by the blatantly false shield of being a victim of a terroristic domestic violence.

    I am so disappointed that our viewpoint has been given NO media air time. I just wish that a true victim like Crystal Harris would have the opportunity to be a part of such a package/segment on CNN. It is a huge disservice to the facts of this case to not have the import of ALV’s biased and paid for testimony challenged by an extremely reputable voice that speaks the truth on this very important issue.

    • MMD
      04/13/2013 at 4:43 pm

      Nancy – deep breaths darlin’ deep breaths……… feeling any better?????

      Now first of all you have to consider the source – Michael Kiefer who is very obviously biased and started this entire kerfuffle with his report which many other publications picked up and carried.

      Second – consider who the Defense Team is and there is your answer as to why they are doing what they are doing. JA is driving this defense and they have to follow what she wants, whether they like it or not.

      Third – ALV figured that she would fund her retirement off this case, increase book sales and at the very least, be able to add to her CV and become a more “respected” expert after being involved in this trial. Well, this is of her own making and she had all the chances in the world to admit she was wrong. Instead, she abused the Alexander family, former, current and future DV victims as well as the general public. Plus she out and out lied on the stand!

      Fourth – Consider we are talking HLN here and the entire story about JM was recut totally misrepresented what actually happened. Even the Channel 12 News didn’t understand why CNN chose to cut their story the way they did. They were also very clear that the jury had long left the building. Here is the link to the original story and why they did it. http://www.azcentral.com/video/#/How+the+12+News+story+on+Juan+Martinez+originated/2261149720001

      Fifth – the DT is desperate because they know that the jury is not buying what they are selling and not only are they looking for a mistrial, they are desperately worried about their careers once this case is over. They know (cause we know they watch tv, read blogs, etc) what the general feeling is about them so they want to rehabilitate themselves as well, although I think that ship has sailed! IMHO

      Sixth – always remember that JM is running this show and will up everything with his rebuttle case and closing. After all, all he and we want is Justice for Travis and the Alexander family so that Travis can finally rest in peace.

      Hope this helps darlin’ 🙂

      • Carmen
        04/13/2013 at 6:17 pm

        MMD: You are so awesome! If I could reach in to my iPad and give you a hug, I would. You’re not only a comfort to others in this blog, you are a comfort to me as well. You’re so knowledgable and your comments are very intelligent.

      • 04/13/2013 at 9:01 pm

        Seventh – it was CNN (Corrupted News Network).

      • 04/14/2013 at 3:21 pm

        MMD, I was feeling the same way that NancyB stated, so eloquently. You come across as the calming ‘voice of reason’, so I thank you! I’m feeling much better, now, too 🙂

    • TexiBelle
      04/13/2013 at 5:07 pm

      Reading this convo is making me crave Lemon Chicken.

    • TexiBelle
      04/13/2013 at 5:25 pm

      And I think the “tests” are to see if her trained brain crawled out of her ear in shame and disgrace one night…

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/13/2013 at 6:05 pm

        yeah! the tests are to see if the “untrained” portion is more or less developed than the “trained” part!

    • 04/13/2013 at 6:18 pm

      Nancy, there’s a simple reason why certain elements of the media are going after this supposed “digital lynch mob” who have been extremely critical of ALV. Ms. LaViolette is a lesbian and feminist, and as such, any criticism of her, whether it’s related to these two issues or not, is perceived, at least by our media, as an attack on homosexuality and feminism.

      If ALV was a Christian counselor for instance, our media would be joining us in castigating her. Some may want to doubt this, but there is no other reason that the media is pushing back on those of us critical of her.

      • 04/13/2013 at 9:03 pm

        True.

      • Lisa M
        04/13/2013 at 9:25 pm

        Good point. I’m not sure I entirely agree. Call it a lack of cynicism or naïveté. But I do think that’s an interesting viewpoint. You may very well be right!

  29. NancyB
    04/13/2013 at 4:37 pm

    I also want to say that I do not support anyone who contacts ALV at her home number to protest her conduct and testiphony. All other actions such as postings on amazon to promote her 3rd edition release, on line petitions etc are ALL fair and should be actively continued. This women has set back the ability of legitimate defenses of domestic violence in the court system in a significant way and that is unconscionable. But that IS her legacy.

    • MMD
      04/13/2013 at 4:48 pm

      I don’t think anyone condones those actions but there are loons (no offense to the bird) out there who will always go way beyond what is a reasonable response about everything. The rest, I agree is fair game.

    • Jay
      04/13/2013 at 5:38 pm

      The media commentary about the negativity directed at ALV is misdirected and blind to what it actually signifies, not witness intimidation but the outing of a dysfunctional Domestic Violence Councelor.

      This is in effect a public service to alert and warn others to be aware of problems they may encounter in her groups or as patients under her supervision. What they, the media analysts critizing the swell of Internet outrage directed at LaViolette fail to recognize, is that it’s a vox populi like Angie’s List to review the behavior of people who would not otherwise come under public scrutiny. That review is far more objective then observations from so-called peers who may be constrained by occupational pressure or equally dysfunctional views, and certainly from columnists and commentators paid to manufacture controversial opinions.

      And those talking heads seem to have overlooked or ignored another crucial facet of the Internet criticism of LaViolette: it’s an open forem; yet hardly anyone, anywhere is defending her testimony. HLM is particularly hypocritical if it is now criticizing the negative comments about ALV as their show broadcasters took the lead doing that, or doesn’t names like Nancy Grace and Jane Velez-Mitch and Dr. Drew ring a bell with them?

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/13/2013 at 6:02 pm

        whats the initials for “right on”? RO!?

      • 04/13/2013 at 6:24 pm

        Jay, see my comment to Nancy above.

        As soon as this justified criticism of ALV started to gain steam, I knew the media would be wringing their hands over it. The media know she’s a lesbian, and they know she’s a feminist (ala 1970s), and they cannot, and WILL NOT allow negativity towards her to stand. Our media in this country is a joke!

      • Jay
        04/13/2013 at 7:19 pm

        Robert in Rotterdam :
        whats the initials for “right on”? RO!?

        It’s BBTGAD! — Bartender Buy That Guy A Drink!.. 🙂

      • Lisa M
        04/13/2013 at 9:35 pm

        I agree with your view on the hypocrisy of HLN. My God they set up the lynch mob mentality re: Casey Anthony. Not that I care in the slightest about what happens to her, but still they fuel this enormous fire and then sit back and criticize a digital backlash against ALV.

    • Lisa M
      04/13/2013 at 9:31 pm

      I commented on Amazon but then I took it down because once I heard all the brouhaha I got a little nervous and I cant risk being named in a cyberbully case. I’m a teacher and that’s the last thing I’d need! But after I thought about it I realized it was the right thing to do anyway. I hadn’t read her book so it’s not fair for me to post something. Sure, the post was a petition but there are plenty of forums (like this one) where we can voice our displeasure for her. It isn’t appropriate IMO to attack her livelihood so directly.

      • Jay
        04/13/2013 at 11:33 pm

        I seriously doubt you could be in any jeopardy at all for criticizing anyone who agrees to testify in a trial open to the public.

    • 04/13/2013 at 10:14 pm

      I’m with you Nancy!

    • 04/14/2013 at 3:22 pm

      Here, here, NancyB! (can you hear my applause?)

  30. TexiBelle
    04/13/2013 at 4:39 pm

    Did anyone notice when ALV was answering the jurors’ question about whether her definition of “manipulative” could be wrong that her “yes” answer was accompanied by this derisive snort and contemptuous look at the jury? Like she was saying, “as if, you ignorant laypeople. As if I’m wrong.” I had a modicum of sympathy for her but it’s all gone now.

    And about the speculation that she will be impeached and her testimony stricken–I hope not! Her testimony totally confirmed the theory that JA was the abuser and manipulator. Her continuum is the MVP of the state’s case!

  31. NancyB
    04/13/2013 at 4:57 pm

    Thanks MMD! I just had to get it off my chest. It’s been unsettling to me and I couldn’t quit going over it in my mind. Just writing it down has helped but I still wish Crystal Harris or someone who with an equally impactful point of view had been given air time. Love ya MMD 🙂

    • MMD
      04/13/2013 at 5:06 pm

      Darlin’ as you know, it’s so much better to get the rant out than to let it fester!!!! I’ve done my fair share of ranting here 😉 Plus, we have more important things to focus on and can’t let these sleazy tactics get to us, although it’s truly hard not to.

      Also bear in mind that Crystal Harris will get her time on the air with her Dateline Interview and she was very emphatic as to what she thought of certain therapeutic actions done by some therapists to treat abusers, although she didn’t mention any names. Plus at the rate that this trial is going, we’re talking the middle of May, then the penalty phase which will probably take a couple of weeks so we’ll be in June, exactly when Crystal’s Dateline show will be airing.

      Ain’t life grand!!!!!!! 🙂

      • Crystal Harris
        04/13/2013 at 10:13 pm

        Thanks Nancy B and MMD, for even thinking of me in this vein. 🙂

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 8:20 am

        Crystal we’re always thinking about you and anxiously waiting for your Dateline story. I really hope the give your perspective since literally the world needs to hear your story after this ALV travesty!!!
        {{{{{{hugs}}}}}

      • Anna
        04/14/2013 at 8:01 pm

        Do we have a date for the Dateline Interview??? MUST SEE TV!!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/13/2013 at 5:48 pm

      NancyB–you said it well.. my first instinct about the Huff P{ost article was that it was a plant.The defendants want the PR; LaGasbag wants the PR. As you said, this was thought out ahead of time. There was,,cough, cough…”retirement” to think about & the book and maybe a place at the “real” Keynote speaker rostrum.Absolutely she is a legit target of demonstrations at any public event, or any non-profit,, government or college emplyment she may be offered. She is analogous to the “creationist” when people and schools and churches have moved on to “evolution”.

      Also, haven’t people been sent to her for “therapy” because they are in stressfull situations and they have trouble “coping?” Now what do you say to them? “Well, the therapist can’t stand the heat in the kitchen–even when the heat isn’t Juan! I mean the big Xpert at $300 an hour to testify, has to run to pee every 45 minutes, and has to be “rushed” to the the ER because of the stress her testimony has caused her?”WTF?

      Most of people in her group would probably say, “no problem, doesn’t surprise us. why don’t you split the money among us in the group and we can 1) take 10% less than she took you for, thus saving the taxpayers of AZ and, 2) we can take our mates out to restaurants like she was photographed at! We can go on a vacation – first one in 16 years for one of us – to places like the Biltmore in Phoenix with a Frank Llyod Wright group! I bet we could share things again and not have the pain of poverty and joblessness affect our relationships!I bet it would bringus closer togethe! For those who can’t stand their mates = or who might batter them again – they can get away! Find someone else! Get the internet and go to a dating sight!

      “Whats that new word again? The one for victim, the one in vogue?”
      Oh, yeah, “survivor”–now Gasbag is a survivor of her own testimony.

      • Marilyn N
        04/13/2013 at 6:13 pm

        I think the ol’Gasbag truly thought the judge was going to bend over backwards to accommodate her schedule. Like they are now BFF’s.
        And I’m still in disbelief the ol’GB thought the jury needed to know
        her retirement fund is in bad shape! Crazy unbelievable!!

      • Jay
        04/13/2013 at 7:34 pm

        Robert, as I mentioned in previous comments, I think a main purpose for her agreeing to testify was to perpetuate her generation of feminist domestic violence therapists stubborn contention that violence against men by women is negligible. That belief predisposes her to side with Arias in particular and women in general in her practice, and in those criminal cases she testified in…

        Marilyn N: when I heard the judge snap at ol’Gasbag my immediate though was the judge was finally revealing her true feelings about ALVs testimony. The judge isn’t stupid; but she’s forced to project an impartial air in court. Underneath that judicial restraint she must have been thinking: is this asshole for real? But in more refined legalese.

    • 04/13/2013 at 6:09 pm

      Nancy B sweet thang!!! Take a breath girl!!

      CNN has been referred to as Controlled News Network for years and years and YEARS. For one reason alone. – It’s bias. Par for the course, they give one sided news. Nothing special certainly nothing new.

  32. Janeto
    04/13/2013 at 4:59 pm

    CARRIED OVER!!!!
    Syntara :
    lol j/k I’ll think of something … thinkmit’d be pretty hard 4 you to find a Roo!

    Really?? A friggin’ kangaroo?? That’s the best you got? I know that Juan has this covered but why don’t you send him a BOOMERANG as a good luck charm????
    ***walking away mumbling friggin’ Aussie Genius….****
    Tracey, bahahahahahhahahahhahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    That’s the best I’ve heard in a while!!!!! I laughed so hard I couldn’t see my screen through the “laugh tears”!!!!!

    • Janeto
      04/13/2013 at 5:05 pm

      At least I might have said to Cathy P “get a keychain with a Texan Cowboy hat or something like that”!!! Hey Syn……….at my high school our mascot was a Kangaroo!!!! 🙂

      • CathyP
        04/13/2013 at 10:40 pm

        Believe it or not, Syn, I did find a roo, however, I didn’t buy it because it was too big. I am still on the lookout for smaller items, so I might just be able to find and buy a cowboy keychain, not sure if I can find one with Texas on it though 🙂 – keep ’em coming!

    • Tracey A
      04/14/2013 at 8:45 pm

      LOL! I just saw this (Lordy, what it takes me to get caught up). Sorry I missed you earlier. Hopefully you’ll pop back in soon. I’ve been LMAO at some of your posts downstairs. Bring on the snark GF!!! 😀

  33. 04/13/2013 at 5:52 pm

    Hey gang, I’m here. Syn, I liked your walk thru. As I really have nothing to say at the moment I’ll just preach to the choir: The speculation that Something was used to move the body was posited by the investigating officers/detectives who noted that while the throat was apparently cut on the carpet, and the body dragged back down the hall to the bathroom, there was a lack of blood in the center of the hallway.

    How much ya’ll wanna bet that when she is convicted that she flips off the judge, jury, and the victim’s family. I find it…ehh…totally believable that she is tweeting out such arrogant messages. Imagine jurors 11 and five now watching the bullshittery on tv…

    The Reprehense going all out for mistrial.

    • 04/13/2013 at 6:25 pm

      Hi Bubblebutts~~ your comment about JA flipping off the court reminds me of the trial of Richard Allen Davis who killed Polly Klass. I lived in Sebastopol at the time 20 min from Petaluma. Anyway when Davis was found guilty, he flipped off the court with both hands. In passing his sentence the judge told him you have just made my job easier by your actions. There was no emotion but disdain from Davis. I remember it like it was yesterday. Anything that JA does will not surprise me.

      • Lisa M
        04/13/2013 at 9:40 pm

        Oh that guy is the biggest scumbag! Do you remember what he said to Mark Klaas? I won’t repeat it but it prompted one of Klaas’ supporters to tell him to burn in hell.
        The DP IMO was created for scumbags like him, career criminals for whom LWOP wouldn’t really mean much.

    • 04/13/2013 at 6:33 pm

      Bubble. Not only the lack of blood in that area but also what looks like a tassel from a pillow.

      That’s why my story is really a story because without going there and having access to all Juan would have, it’s conjecture based on the facts we have all gleaned and regurgitated and mulled over. There is also the question, as you pointed out.. did the bullet penetrate his frontal lobe?

      I believe the ME because he did the autopsy he should know best and seemed very credible to me. If the shot was more surface then possibly he was not incapacitated by it and it may have come first…

      But the magic shell case is still shining brightly over there. Not a spot.. not a spot of blood on it’s visible surface. That just ain’t possible with that subsequent carnage. I can’t see it.

      Plus she has 62 seconds… in that time the gun has to jam and she has to find a knife.. it’s barely possible without including that. Gives more than reasonable doubt to me. But as I said… mine’s just a story based on what I can feel to be true and prove to be true. There is much in the former category too much, I prefer it to be all science AND feel right.

      • 04/13/2013 at 7:27 pm

        Syntara…… I have always had a niggling thought in the back of my mind. I know JA deleted the photos from the camera. i keep thinking that she was planning on tossing it with the other evidence; the knife, gun, etc. I wonder if she meant to toss the camera too but somehow got it wrapped up win the sheets and unknowingly tossed it in the washer. Never intending to have it found.

      • 04/13/2013 at 7:33 pm

        my gut instinct they were supposed to be her trophies.. but when she saw the incidentals she decided to ditch it, she doesn’t think well on her feet she has to pre-plan. I think panic made her delete them and throw it into the washing machine. But it’s a grey area and I don’t really like grey areas! They are annoying! 🙂

    • 04/13/2013 at 9:10 pm

      Jim, add “bullshittery” to your list.

      • Jim
        04/13/2013 at 9:51 pm

        ROFLMAO!!! 🙂 Hey, if it googles, it goes!!!! I may need a new keyboard if I can’t get this Jack Daniels sopped up….

  34. donchais
    04/13/2013 at 6:00 pm

    I am in a dither over a huge dilemma…I don’t see this trial ending till the end of May, we still have rebuttal, deliberations and, if death penalty, we begin the penalty/mitigation phase.

    I have followed a case since 2007…the gruesome, murders of two young adults which is one of the most horrific crimes I ever saw and they and their families have touched my heart.

    The judge in the four trials of defendants was found guilty of misprision and recently sentenced by the feds, which led to retrial for two of the defendants.

    The second retrial begins May 13…what to do, what to do??? Trying to work it all out…

    watch video
    http://www.knoxnews.com/videos/detail/chipman-murders-channon-christian-chris-newsom/

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/13/2013 at 6:09 pm

      I will make a financial contribution towards hiring you assistants for any overlap. I can’t think of anything else to offer since I’m pretty new to the whole shebang. Your reviews are worth paying for, if that helps!

      • Jim
        04/13/2013 at 6:20 pm

        I’m with you, RiR…just need some guidance on HOW to help…

      • donchais
        04/13/2013 at 6:26 pm

        very sweet, thx…may have someone to pick up the slack, but they are very invested in both cases too!

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/13/2013 at 6:42 pm

        Well, we have LOTS of unemoployed people who could “man the ship” while it needed steering. You could train for the overlap period. Your “kids” in the sandbox will pay for it.
        Lets not go wobly as the Baroness was heard to say!

    • 04/13/2013 at 6:17 pm

      Donchais, you need to follow your heart. What do YOU want to do? What solutions or otherwise do you see as workable if this trial is still going? What are the options?

      • donchais
        04/13/2013 at 6:32 pm

        That’s just it, my heart is broken!

      • 04/13/2013 at 6:45 pm

        Donchais, as Ive said to you before … I worry about you even with the longevity of this trial let alone two emotionally investing ones back to back and overlapping. You aren’t superhuman, I’ve been there and tried it.. it’s NOT good!

        Please Please make decisions based on what you feel is right try not to include things out of a feeling of obligation. Easy to say, I know..oh I know. Talk to us, we love you!!! Everyone, without exception would help you in any way we can. Ask us!

    • NancyB
      04/13/2013 at 7:28 pm

      Donchais, I have been wondering what in the heck you were going to do. (sigh) It is a dilemma. One idea I have is to cover the other trial and just leave this open so we can all still communicate with each other and post comments. That way, our entire group won’t go nuts without all the support and good humor here. Even if you chose to do this it will still increase your working time having to monitor trolls and put up fresh paper once comments hit above 700 or so. Maybe some of us could take turns doing a 1/2 assed job of emailing you a daily summary for you to post? I’d be willing to be a part of a group effort that takes turns doing that.

      • donchais
        04/13/2013 at 7:44 pm

        I won’t let you guys astray..just trying to figure it out still..I love, love, love that all of you get it how many victims and their families need support!

        It’s always been a prob for me to decide what I follow…all I can say is…something grabs my heart and I can’t let go and when great folks like you get it…maybe I’ve done my job!

      • Jay
        04/13/2013 at 7:50 pm

        In the short time I’ve been stopping here I’ve realized how much work it takes to keep this running as you do, and believe me I know first hand too much stress can really screw you up physically in a negative way.

        Yes, the people posting here are amazingly smart and coherent and I hope you can allow the comments to continue: live streaming broadcasts of the trial are available from WPTV and on YouTube afterwards; daily courtroom details through WildAboutTrial on Twitter, and I think a daily synopsis is available on HuffPost (about the only worthwhile thing they’re publishing). So the data would still be available to chew on, and you could make occasional posts in the creases.

    • 04/13/2013 at 10:30 pm

      Good Eve Donchais! I looked @ knox.news video and I am such a pussy because honestly
      I couldn’t watch it! I think this trial and awful story is more than I can take @ once.
      SO SO Sorry for the two young people and their family’s and the horrible fact of life is u
      never know when and where these monsters will strike!!!
      God Bless All These Family’s and may they find peace some day along with justice!

    • Douglme
      04/13/2013 at 11:16 pm

      OMG, Donchais, that is heartbreaking! I can’t stop sobbing! That is going to be a very emotional trial and very difficult to follow. God bless you for all you do!

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 8:50 am

      OK donchais I watched the video and I remember reading and commenting on the last post you put up about this case. I knew when I started here that this case was a major priority for you so all I can say is follow your gut and you’ll make the right decision for YOU. I know how close this case is to your heart so take us completely out of your decision.

      Follow your gut darlin’ and anything we can do to help, just tell us!!! After all this is your blog and we’ll understand any decision you make!!!
      {{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}

  35. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/13/2013 at 6:11 pm

    MMD :

    Fourth – Consider we are talking HLN here and the entire story about JM was recut totally misrepresented what actually happened. Even the Channel 12 News didn’t understand why CNN chose to cut their story the way they did. They were also very clear that the jury had long left the building. Here is the link to the original story and why they did it. http://www.azcentral.com/video/#/How+the+12+News+story+on+Juan+Martinez+originated/2261149720001

    Hope Channel 12 offers this up to counter what Nurm the Wurm is doing! Clearly tells the whole story!

  36. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/13/2013 at 6:16 pm

    Donchais……We went into moderation in response to MMD #92 above. Don’t know what we did wrong…..nothing changed at our end. sorrrreeeeee!

    • donchais
      04/13/2013 at 6:23 pm

      Nobody in mod here, hon!

  37. 04/13/2013 at 6:27 pm

    First time poster but have been following ardently for a while now. I spent alot of time today catching up on yesterday’s comments and could not figure out how to reply as there were no reply buttons. Then I reached the bottom and saw that comments were closed and a new link was there. I’m not used to posting anywhere so I’m taking a giant leap here.
    Thank you Donchais for your excellent recaps. As for the posters, you are unbelievable…informative and hilarious. I don’t know if I return here for the info / commentary or the comic relief from the tension, stress.and absolute frustration you can experience watching this trial.
    I know we’re wondering why LaViolette is being called back.. Is it because of her approaching Travis’ sister or could it be impeachment? I found an article on Impeaching an Expert Witness, and will try to post a link here. It’s not long and gives 5 reasons for impeachmenrt.
    1. Lack of qualifications 2. Bias. 3.adequate preparation 4. Inconsistency. 5. Character of witness.
    The reasons to support each are given and it seems that LaLa falls into each category.
    http://www.crossexam.com/impeaching-an-expert-witness.html

    • Jim
      04/13/2013 at 6:54 pm

      ***(my opinion)*** Instructing the jury to completely disregard an expert witness vs. Allowing the jury to reach that conclusion on their own – the latter is the norm; the former being a large, bitter pill that will be tough on everyone concerned to swallow.

      Even though JA’s attorney’s were the ones to hire LaLa – completely erase the testimony she offered on an issue that is central to their defense, and what remedy are you left with? They will insist on getting a new one, mistrial, etc… Far better to allow the jury to compare LaLa to DeMarte and decide which outweighs the other… ***(my opinion)*** that being said – I still believe what I said yesterday: LaLa has some behind-the-scene issue(s) that the court wants to hear and resolve prior to her leaving the court’s jurisdiction….

      • TexiBelle
        04/13/2013 at 7:01 pm

        And as I mentioned above, her testimony is central to the *prosecution’s* case. Let it stand! That continuum does a great job of explaining JA.

      • 04/13/2013 at 7:06 pm

        Jim,
        I do not want to see her impeached. I think that her testimony gives more credence to the state’s case. I just wanted to present the options for impeachment as I had seen it being discussed on the last post but had no reply button.
        I am a dork and will learn as I go along….. I hope. 🙂

      • TexiBelle
        04/13/2013 at 7:09 pm

        Deco that was great info! Keep it coming–we need some facts to balance out the rants!

      • Jim
        04/13/2013 at 7:15 pm

        no problem, Deco. I think there are some that want an actual impeachment to occur, because they see it as the official means of kicking LaLa’s teeth in, before she returns to whatever is left of her professional career. I believe that impeachment as a concept has in fact occurred – when deliberations begin, I think LaLa will be nothing but conversational fodder in the room while they are discussing the issues central to this case….My apologies if I came across as anything other than passionate about Justice for Travis!

      • Lisa M
        04/13/2013 at 9:45 pm

        Jim I tend to agree with you. I think on many ways the defense is doing the prosecutors job for him in this trial. Why impeach a witness they obviously have serious problems with anyway?

    • 04/13/2013 at 6:57 pm

      Hey Deco….. glad you decided to drop in an allow us to meet you 🙂 We aren’t scary just a little bit crazy and well more than a little obsessed! 😉

      I’m quietly hoping it perjury. Juan’s impeached her testimony, obviously discredited it. She’s proven stoic almost zealot bias. To say all that he suggested would not cause her claim to change… seriously. That’s beyond subjective it’s tunnel vision.

      We are all wanting to know what the truth of it is and where it’s headed. . wow what a change in that judge, she isn’t happy with her at all that much is evident. Which only adds intrigue and hope!

      • 04/13/2013 at 7:15 pm

        Syntara!
        I have so enjoyed your comments… Tracee (m&,m pants) Mmd, Christie, Jim RIR, Janet, and CiCi circle… There are so many of you that keep me captivated ….and intimidated… i dipped my toe in CFJ Pond hesitantly. Hopefully I will overcome this and jump in without fear. Thanks for the welcome.
        By the way..I’m going to,look for that Aussie vodka in South Florida. That might help loosen me up. ;). I think I’m way too inhibited.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/13/2013 at 7:18 pm

        I’ll join the hellos! ( Also Syntara! you have narrative skill to go with her psycological insights .

        First, My understanding is that a witness is “impeached” many times in a trial. Every time a proven fact is presented against her assertion, there is impeachment of that witness. It’s another way of saying “caught lying..” The Judge may or may not allude to that particular issue with her at instructions.
        I don’t think there is a prima facie case of “perjury” with LaLa.
        I mean even if there was there would have to be time after the trial to inform her of the charges and why

        . And really where is the “perjury”? It has to be a lie that is important to the case. It can’t be because one lied about what day they went somewhere and it didn’t “really” matter. I think she was “impeached” by the hedging and misrepresentation of her experience representing men in criminal trials. Her expertise was impeached. Did the witness change things in reports? And lie about them? She covered herself enough to defend,I think, by either not having notes, or not having a report.

        My guess is that it’s related to her obligations as a professional expert, regarding contact with the family of the victim.

      • 04/13/2013 at 7:29 pm

        Lying to the jury. That’s what I was thinking. Robeeeer and hello btw very rude of me not to have greeted everyone on my arrival! *slaps self*

      • Jim
        04/13/2013 at 7:24 pm

        Bingo, RiR – contempt hearing at best, nothing more…

      • 04/13/2013 at 7:30 pm

        did you read that post Essem linked to yesterday? If not me goes to find it/

      • truejustice
        04/13/2013 at 7:38 pm

        Syn — all knowing one 🙂

        If she is impeached , will that help the support the basis for a mistrial ? Or to win an appeal on the basis she wasn’t given a fair trial do the errors made by her defense team ?

      • 04/13/2013 at 7:40 pm

        hahah legal stuff I am all not knowing one believe me! I believe impeach in this instance means to us lay peeps “discredit” and juan has basically discredited her in soo many ways. What I’m trying to understand as I think many of us not in the legal ‘know” are… is what he can get her with in a more formal way. 🙂 hang in there.. we are trying to get there … we alll sooooo want to know but might have to just wait ! grrrrr 😉

      • Douglme
        04/13/2013 at 11:28 pm

        Isn’t it important that an expert witness is what they say they are because without there expertise a lot of the evidence could not come into the trial? So, by her saying she was an expert witness bring a lot of info in that never should have been allowed? That might cause the Judge to be annoyed….no?

      • 04/13/2013 at 11:34 pm

        yes I wouuld have thought so from a layman’s view. She lied to the jury. Directly. It was a response to their question that she so obviously lied in.. You could tell by the amount of thought she put into what should have been a very straight forward answer. Juan investigated it and sure enough it was utter crap.

      • Crystal Harris
        04/14/2013 at 8:22 am

        If it’s about her lie to the jury question about how many times she testified for a man in criminal court, ALV seems cooked. Her lie was so blatant. If you’ve NEVER testified, you know it. It’s not like she mixed up 10 or 11 times. You know in your own life if you’ve ever walked into a criminal courtroom and testified or not in defense of a man. Simple. And remember she took a bit of time and thought about it and did some counting on her fingers, etc. So she can’t even say she simply answered too quickly. Did she think no one would check in such a high profile DP case? Samuels did the same with his work..acted like it was some small time case he could get away with fudging his work. Bizarre.

    • Jay
      04/13/2013 at 8:02 pm

      Ah, Jean Parrish, under the Stars, 1926.
      I had that print on my wall when I was in my Deco phase, in NYC

      • sndlywhplsh
        04/14/2013 at 7:12 pm

        Well HBT (“how ’bout that”). Never knew that was M. Parrish’s daughter in the picture. Never know what you’ll learn here.

    • 04/13/2013 at 9:22 pm

      Haven’t opened the link, but 2, 4 and 5 would certainly apply in my humble opinion. 3 would if you count how many times she forgot her glasses. Lol

    • 04/13/2013 at 9:42 pm

      Welcome Deco~~you are at the right place!!!

    • 04/13/2013 at 10:30 pm

      Thanks Deco. It would appear she does meet the criteria for most of the categories.

      • 04/14/2013 at 9:54 am

        Jay,Lisa , Vickee, and Janine … Good morning and thanks for the greetings.

    • Tracey A
      04/14/2013 at 8:36 pm

      Hi Deco….welcome to the nuthouse! (I may have acknowledged you downstairs…can’t remember cuz the “fog” sometimes rolls in as I get caught up. It’s just want happens here sometimes).

      This was a great read for me. And Juan certainly had this covered in his excellent cross of this witness.

      Glad you’re here! 🙂

  38. 04/13/2013 at 6:28 pm

    Donchais, whatever I can do I am at your service. I’m sure you don’t need me for anything but, this kind of venue is something that I have been tinkering with on my own for several years now.

    Well, had been anyway, till the recession hit and I was forced to join the army. The last effort being a book I put together called Wacko Jacko, where I digested each trial days testimony, then put my own snarky spin on it. Good stuff., if I must say so. Before that I produced a pretty epic tome on the OJ case/s/s. Then There was my update of The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight, starring the Cheney Gang.

    My point being, if you’re gonna need to split attention I can help, or will support. Uncle Sam has made it possible for me to live a rather vagabond existence. In a few months I hope to relocate to Marathon Key for a little R&R, but for now I’m kinda hole up here in Tennessee, dealing with my own legal/female drama

    • donchais
      04/13/2013 at 6:31 pm

      {{{HUGS}}}

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/13/2013 at 7:03 pm

      Beautifully timed I’d say. “Chance favors the prepared mind” said Louis Pasteur..
      Hugs to Syntara! You are heroically playing the best friend part here;and donchais obviously needs that. Brava!
      However.
      We , however,have to be the family members, that know there are things to do, bills to pay, time to schedule. And the clock is running. 🙂

      • 04/13/2013 at 7:38 pm

        Robert don’t run away.. I need your breakdown of something please?

  39. 04/13/2013 at 7:32 pm

    Deco, welcome.

  40. Jim
    04/13/2013 at 7:32 pm

    Hi Syn! 🙂 ***waves*** I might need to break out the firewater…

    • 04/13/2013 at 7:34 pm

      lol I cant it’s 7:30 am and I can’t claim night shift 😦

      ***waves**** back at ya!!

      • Jim
        04/13/2013 at 7:42 pm

        perfect way to get a head start, my dear… 🙂

  41. 04/13/2013 at 7:34 pm

    Robert in Rotterdam,
    I think that LaV had been ‘impeached ‘in the minds of the jury and that is enough for me. As long as her testimony is recognized and taken for what it’s worth that’s good enough for me . She did discredited herself .
    Hopefully it was the closing chapter of ….. Alyce in Juanderland. 🙂

    • Commerce1
      04/13/2013 at 9:25 pm

      “Alyce in Juanderland.” I like it!

    • 04/13/2013 at 9:39 pm

      Love it! And I’m sure that will be a Grimm fairy tale, Ms. LaLa, not Disney.

  42. 04/13/2013 at 7:44 pm

    Robert, Jim, Trial Watcher and anyone else inclined… could you please take a look at this and discuss based on your knowledge base? Please

    Essem Posted:

    04/13/2013 at 1:11 am | #621

    Interesting link i found on Det Flores’ FB support page about the possible issue with ALV

    http://tamaratattles.com/2013/04/12/will-alyce-laviolette-be-impeached-as-an-expert-witness/

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/13/2013 at 8:00 pm

      I read this link earlier. I didn’t find the author particularly accurate or informed. I think Jim and I addressed this on the thread.

      • 04/13/2013 at 8:02 pm

        has it been updated since then? did you look at it again?

      • Jay
        04/13/2013 at 8:16 pm

        I just read it and agree 100% with your assessment.

      • 04/13/2013 at 8:32 pm

        gah… Robert… dumb it down here… I’m not looking for an agree or disagree per se.. I’m looking for an explanation and what you feel is the real deal.. where’s this post of yours? i gotta read it. Cos so far it’s not clear to me! remember i know nothing about the US legal system!

      • 04/13/2013 at 8:34 pm

        forget it… Jimbo has taken care of me I think! 😀

    • Jim
      04/13/2013 at 8:02 pm

      Syn – I may be really wrong – and if I am, I’ll gladly present myself for public ridicule – but consider this:

      JM focus is only with this case, and TA’s family – so that’s why I think it will be a contempt issue that the court can resolve with a hearing, rather than a trial. I think JM probably went batsh!t crazy when he learned about AL approaching TA’s family, and I think what’s coming is just that simple.

      Maybe there are other contempt issues – it’s possible – she may have revealed something on the stand that was not permitted by ruling/stipulation – It’s a guess.

      I’m NOT saying perjury is off the table, but that can’t be resolved in 2 hours on tuesday…

  43. 04/13/2013 at 7:54 pm

    Would love to see the reactions on jurors 11 and 5’s faces when they were shown the lunacy they’ve been witnessing…or would they be bored because they’ve seen it like that the whole time, first hand?

    I hope they are reading /u tubing the facts. I hope they have a recognized signal that means batshit crazy, like a sneeze, or a tug of the ear when they are for the verdict, “Yeah, it’s true, she’s a f’ing c word!”

    I know it’s wrong. The reprehense will say the jury is watching tv, or can’t help but be exposed to it. This trial is reaching fever pitch, and there must be some serious consideration given to sequester the jury. I’m afraid things are getting out of control. The defenses’ tactics are dumb and reckless, also dangerous.

    Also, allegations of wackos making contact with victims in this case. The jury should be squestered. My opinion.

    • Jay
      04/13/2013 at 8:18 pm

      Agree with this 200% 🙂

    • TexiBelle
      04/13/2013 at 8:23 pm

      I may have missed your point at the end of the 3rd paragraph, but I’m not sure anything the defense does can be grounds for a mistrial. This first came up of note in Manson’s trial, when his lawyers asked for a mistrial based on one of Manson’s outbursts. Denied, because of course you see where every defendant would take that…Anyways, may not apply because it was in a different state, and that was the actual defendant, not his team.

    • NancyB
      04/14/2013 at 2:23 am

      It’s almost never done that a judge will reverse a decision and sequester in the middle of the trial. Now, for jury deliberations, that very well may happen.

  44. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/13/2013 at 7:56 pm

    Syntara :
    Trial Watcher.. it bothers me too he sat down.. I think because we all so want him not to have! We all scream at him “Don’t sit down!”
    She is very conniving and convincing however she did it was cold, calculating and ooextremely manipulative and she was displaying a persona completely masking her true thoughts. That too is almost too diabolical to fully process, for me anyhow.
    I find myself imagining it to a point then my mind literally shuts down and won’t fully follow it through.

    This sense prevails with me as well; the film stills, the casual call about Othello after she killed him( one of the most stunning calls ive ever listened to in my life)the Nija film and images.
    But I think what always returns to me,are the 14 unreturned calls, the thousand mile drive to surprise him and then kill him so viciously, and then the cuddle with a new prospect within a days drive, staggers my mind. That focus of hers,continues to stun me.

    • 04/13/2013 at 8:23 pm

      I know… I know.. there is so much evil and twisted thinking process in it all.. and her cold blooded … beyond chilling denials, her ability to switch into a person. Are you familiar with Hervey Cleckley at all? His doctrine, if you will, to try to explain these people?

      It’s so appropriately named “Mask of Sanity”. He first published it in 1941. Her personas are her masks.

      THE MASK OF SANITY
      ~An Attempt to Clarify Some Issues About the
      So-Called Psychopathic Personality

      Non teneas aururn totum quod splendet ut aururn.
      ALANUS DE INSULIS
      Hervey Cleckley, M.D.
      Clinical Professor of Psychiatry,
      Medical College of Georgia, Augusta, Ga.;
      author of The Caricature of Love
      and of The Three Faces of Eve

  45. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/13/2013 at 7:58 pm

    Syntara :
    Robert don’t run away.. I need your breakdown of something please?

    Just saw this as I scrolled upwards. (that what she said to the Bishop)

  46. NancyB
    04/13/2013 at 7:59 pm

    Thanks to all for preventing another excursion of getting lost in that damn rabbit hole!

    Syn – Here is Dr. Horn’s cross with JW. She sounds like a squeaky snarky imbecile. Dr Horn definitively states the bullet passed through the Rt Frontal Lobe. Begin at 148.31



    • 04/13/2013 at 8:08 pm

      Nancy I know it did!

      But there was discussion raised that it didn’t. I’ve never doubted it and still don’t,

      Bubble did some research regarding GSW that do not hit the brain and the bullet is removed years later.. That’s where I was pointing out why I believe it did in fact hit his brain and therefore was immediately incapacitating. This was some days back.

    • 04/13/2013 at 8:43 pm

      awww and if you ever need help navigating out of the rabbit hole… I’m your girl!! I have heaps and heap and HEAPS of experience doing it! 😀

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 9:02 am

        🙂

  47. 04/13/2013 at 8:04 pm

    what does contempt entail?… that’s the comments I’m looking for here. I repositioning based on your knowledge clarifying it clearly to we who are not privy to court room manoeuvres I know I’m not alone in needing this.

    • Jim
      04/13/2013 at 8:24 pm

      Lot’s of ways to be in contempt – most common is a blatantly negative act in the court room. Other ways to catch it, would be violating an admonishment/ruling/stipulation, such as revealing information you were specifically instructed not to, or by contact that the court has prohibited, or by your refusal to comply. Jail is a possibility, as are fines.

      • 04/13/2013 at 8:38 pm

        thank you thank you thank you!!!!! THAT was what I was after!!!

        *mwah* 😀

  48. Janeto
    04/13/2013 at 8:10 pm

    Syntara!
    I have so enjoyed your comments… Tracee (m&,m pants) Mmd, Christie, Jim RIR, Janet, and CiCi circle… There are so many of you that keep me captivated ….and intimidated… i dipped my toe in CFJ Pond hesitantly. Hopefully I will overcome this and jump in without fear. Thanks for the welcome.
    By the way..I’m going to,look for that Aussie vodka in South Florida. That might help loosen me up. . I think I’m way too inhibited.

    @Deco You are welcome for the “welcome.” I don’t have much “professional” input ,as others are way over my head, but thanks for jumping in without fear as I did. To me, everyones’ input and questions are important whether they be different, or not. But are always respected. FYI don’t feel bad if any of your posts are not replied to as half of mine never are… sometimes all the professionals and quicker witted ones get caught up with each other, and the way the site is, it’s hard to know when someone does or does not reply to you directly. So anyhow, a big Howdy from Texas and all us loons on here!! LOL!!!!!! People on this site are so well informed and witty, most of the time I just get on anymore to say hello, and get my laughs for the day in. Take care and join in on the trial of the century, and most importantly, JUSTICE FOR TRAVIS!! We must not forget why we are here! Thanks to our “mom” donchais!!! Luv u mom!!

    • 04/13/2013 at 8:13 pm

      Janeto.. stealing our national symbol … pffffft to you is all I can say… and let me add – typical!!!

      • Janeto
        04/13/2013 at 8:20 pm

        Syn! Forgot to hit “reply” on the last one. Duh!!! As you would say…….typical! hey how do you get your emoticons to animate???

      • 04/13/2013 at 8:33 pm

        secret syn stuff

    • Janeto
      04/13/2013 at 8:18 pm

      This was meant for Deco!!! Sorry!!!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/13/2013 at 8:26 pm

      I think you are the nicest person I can associate with Texas right now. Keep in going 🙂

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/13/2013 at 8:29 pm

        sorry I tried to be..well forget it..,.there are otherTexans here! ANNA for one and if there is someone that can direct the Lone Ranger better than Tonto, its her.

      • Jim
        04/13/2013 at 9:05 pm

        <—- born and raised in Texas….

      • TexiBelle
        04/14/2013 at 1:18 am

        Ahem.

      • Janeto
        04/14/2013 at 8:56 am

        LOL!! Thanks Robert, and yes, Anna is my Tonto!! I outed her as a Texan when she didn’t want me to, but I couldn’t resist! Teee heeee!!! Thanks for liking us though! Guess you’ve had some bad experience with Texans before… 😦

    • 04/13/2013 at 8:39 pm

      Janeth…. Thanks for the reassurance. I will learn and feel my way in. I too have no professional opinions to offer but as long as I can continue to post ad contribute I will feel like I am contributing something to Justice For Travis. The. commenters are so well informed in legalese and breaking down and disseminating the facts in the case. I only. Would like to be part of a community that supports the Alexander’s an d feel free to express my thoughts in a forum I feel safe.
      My only Problem here is my iPad and refreshing . Ill get the hang of it soon..
      And Bubbles….thanks for the welcome…. You’ll love Marathon Key. Peaceful, good eats. 🙂

    • Anna
      04/14/2013 at 4:30 pm

      btw, if you don’t like Texans, you don’t know Texans. I will personally guarantee to everyone here who gets my humor, that you would have to fight everything you know not to like us – I mean the good ones, of course. Bad reps are everywhere. I just wish everyone would stop moving here because of our economy. Sorry. Not y’all. 😉

  49. Janeto
    04/13/2013 at 8:16 pm

    Pfffft right back at ya!! 😉 wasnt me who created our mascot!!!!! But I gotcha on that one!!!! We really did have Kangaroo as our mascot..How ironic is that??? Or is it fate that we met on line? tee hee!

  50. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/13/2013 at 8:20 pm

    Syntara :
    has it been updated since then? did you look at it again?

    yes I did. She sounds inaccurate and uninformed, but a tiny bit more informed.

    • 04/13/2013 at 8:55 pm

      Robert read below

  51. NancyB
    04/13/2013 at 8:32 pm

    Syn – About contempt of court: There’s more at the link below

    A direct contempt is an act that occurs in the presence of the court and is intended to embarrass or engender disrespect for the court. Shouting in the courtroom or refusing to answer questions for a judge or attorney under oath is a direct contempt.

    http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Contempt+of+Court

    • 04/13/2013 at 8:57 pm

      Thanks NancyB going to read.. probably get confused again mmwwhahahaha!!

    • 04/13/2013 at 9:04 pm

      Individuals may be cited for contempt when they disobey an order, fail to comply with a request, tamper with documents, withhold evidence, interrupt proceedings through their actions or words, or otherwise defy a public authority or hold it up to ridicule and disrespect. The laws and rules governing contempt have developed in a piecemeal fashion over time and give wide discretion to judges and legislative leaders in determining both what constitutes contempt and how it is punished.

      well who knows.. IF this is what Juan is going to argue, no doubt he will have firm base and points to bring forth. I don’t have enough legal knowledge to pin the dots.

      Robert or Jim… can you quantify and qualify what you see here?

      • Jim
        04/13/2013 at 9:09 pm

        which part, Dahlink? that could be one of those 18 page answers in the offing…

      • 04/13/2013 at 9:15 pm

        … brief summary of what Juan will be arguing. You know.. nothing difficult 😛

      • Jim
        04/13/2013 at 9:29 pm

        He would be offering up the details on what happened – not necessarily an opportunity for argument… If it really is AL making inappropriate contact with TA’s family (which it might well be) he would have been the one to bring it to the court’s attention because he is supposed to. If it’s an issue, its really because the court thinks its an issue – if that makes any sense..(I’m speaking only from my experience here)

      • 04/13/2013 at 9:32 pm

        ok gotya! 😀

        soo.. is it called a motion? and what ,, they go in discuss it with the judge and she rules…

        have I got it now?

      • Jim
        04/13/2013 at 9:42 pm

        certainly for the most part – an opportunity for the court to see if the action offends (the court) The court seemed a touch on the short and cranky side with AL – there have been a number of in-chambers meetings that subsequently involved TA’s family, so it could assumed that the court has decided to explore the issue further…(IF that’s it)

      • Jim
        04/13/2013 at 9:44 pm

        IF that’s the reason – I meant to say…

      • 04/13/2013 at 10:06 pm

        yep yep Jim.. all clear now… I hate stuff in my head that I have loose ends to.. it just rattles and rolls if you know what I mean 😀

  52. Douglme
    04/13/2013 at 8:39 pm

    sndywhplsh – Thank you for the “Neverending Answer” that was priceless! Cannot stop laughing!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/13/2013 at 8:42 pm

      I hope that editor keeps working on variations. they are a riot. and short enough to hold a suspension of disbelief I think they call it

      • 04/13/2013 at 8:55 pm

        not to mention wicked editing skills!

      • 04/13/2013 at 10:32 pm

        Here’s another one from same editor that I posted yesterday, next to the Never Ending Answer, it’s my favourite. It reminds me of the matador at a bull fight

        OH CRAP

  53. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/13/2013 at 8:39 pm

    Robert in Rotterdam :
    I’ll join the hellos! ( Also Syntara! you have narrative skill to go with her psycological insights .’
    First, My understanding is that a witness is “impeached” many times in a trial. Every time a proven fact is presented against her assertion, there is impeachment of that witness. It’s another way of saying “caught lying..” The Judge may or may not allude to that particular issue with her at instructions.
    I don’t think there is a prima facie case of “perjury” with LaLa.
    I mean even if there was there would have to be time after the trial to inform her of the charges and why
    . And really where is the “perjury”? It has to be a lie that is important to the case. It can’t be because one lied about what day they went somewhere and it didn’t “really” matter. I think she was “impeached” by the hedging and misrepresentation of her experience representing men in criminal trials. Her expertise was impeached. Did the witness change things in reports? And lie about them? She covered herself enough to defend,I think, by either not having notes, or not having a report.
    My guess is that it’s related to her obligations as a professional expert, regarding contact with the family of the victim.

    for syntara’s “where is it?” just ‘splaining Lucy!

    • 04/13/2013 at 8:50 pm

      lol thankyou.. I needed the “contempt for dummies”… and Jimbo saw me right with that! 🙂

      I needed the alternative rather than the why’s of the article being wrong.. I mustn’t have been clear in what I was asking but Jim saw through the fog and steered me to safety.

      • 04/13/2013 at 8:53 pm

        no no that’s still wrong… sheesh!!!! 😳

        I understood from what you had typed why perjury was not relevant…. what I needed was ok.. then what is?

        But.. sorted now!! phew!

      • Jim
        04/13/2013 at 9:01 pm

        makes perfect nonsense to me! 🙂 bloody mary to the rescue this morning? ha!

  54. Commerce1
    04/13/2013 at 8:45 pm

    Jim :Her behavior on the stand, and at the defense table, paints the picture of a cold-hearted, vindictive B!TCH! that enjoyed slaughtering TA – that version of JA makes you WANT to jam a needle full of drano up her ass, and fill it to overflowing… just saying..

    Based on those horrible photos of her gaping (quoting Nancy Grace) “booty hole” a needle wouldn’t be necessary. You could just jam the whole bottle of drano up her ass………but I really like your sentiment. You’re description of her demeanor is dead on. I’ve never seen someone on trial for their life look so effing smug.

    • 04/13/2013 at 8:46 pm

      commerce!… please don’t hold back.. tell it how your really see it!

      😆

    • Jim
      04/13/2013 at 8:57 pm

      🙂 thanks! SOME of us on here have SEEN the unredacted pics – I think I speak for everybody when I say ALL of us that have seen the unredacted pics are wanting to UNSEE them….

      • Commerce1
        04/13/2013 at 9:33 pm

        Yep. I’m with you. I wish I could unring that bell………

      • Janeto
        04/13/2013 at 10:24 pm

        Jim, you do speak for me on those we can’t UNSEE!! Think I noticed “fruit Flies”!!! 🙂

      • Commerce1
        04/13/2013 at 11:26 pm

        Ugh!!!! Fruit flies!!!!!

  55. 04/13/2013 at 8:45 pm

    Robert in Rotterdam :
    sorry I tried to be..well forget it..,.there are otherTexans here! ANNA for one and if there is someone that can direct the Lone Ranger better than Tonto, its her.

    hahahaha you aren’t wrong! LOL!! Maybe she is Tonto reincarnated!

    • Janeto
      04/13/2013 at 10:17 pm

      And that would be me! I’m the Lone Ranger!!! Anna is Tonto!!!! Highol Silver!!!

      • 04/13/2013 at 10:33 pm

        lol Janeto why you say you are the lone ranger?

  56. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/13/2013 at 8:53 pm

    almost 3am here;time to tiptoe back to the bedroom and try to keep from (apparently) saying “Juan’ each time I turn in bed.

    • 04/13/2013 at 9:08 pm

      LOL!!!!!! night Robert! Thank you for your insight re the Perjury… but you nearly gave me a meltdown trying to get to the contempt part!

      luv ya!! 😀 sleep well!!!

    • Jim
      04/13/2013 at 9:15 pm

      Night RiR – good luck 🙂

  57. 04/13/2013 at 9:07 pm

    Jim :
    makes perfect nonsense to me! bloody mary to the rescue this morning? ha!

    Bloody Mary’s oooooo I do love them and haven’t had one for waaaaaaay to long- years!!!

    Did u see what NancyB posted? The link to the contempt definition? Any further clarifications and/or insights?

    • Jim
      04/13/2013 at 9:12 pm

      Sure… had me wondering why I didn’t think to cut and paste as well…pfft 🙂

    • Jim
      04/13/2013 at 9:20 pm

      seriously though – contempt (and the “price” one pays for being in contempt) is very judge dependent – what is consternation for one, washes off the back of another…

      • 04/13/2013 at 9:22 pm

        yes I got that impression from the last few lines. But what do you think Juan would be arguing if this is the motion he is going for?

  58. Tracey A
    04/13/2013 at 9:22 pm

    Hi all ***waves*** Guess I’ve got some reading to do now. Not too bad at only Post #240.

    • 04/13/2013 at 9:26 pm

      50 of those are me having a meltdown and can be disregarded! 😛

      • Tracey A
        04/13/2013 at 9:31 pm

        Uh oh??? You have a meltdown…no way! Headed upstairs…

      • 04/13/2013 at 9:34 pm

        just was unclear in what I was asking.. lucky Jim understands gobbledeegook and sorted me. Well is in the last throes of sorting me.. and NancyB helped supplying a much needed definition.

    • 04/13/2013 at 9:27 pm

      and heeeeellloooooooo btw ***waves back***

      • Tracey A
        04/13/2013 at 9:32 pm

        Hey Girl!!! 🙂

  59. Douglme
    04/13/2013 at 9:35 pm

    For Dewey: You were looking where you could watch Friday’s testimony, here it is…

  60. Commerce1
    04/13/2013 at 9:47 pm

    Syntara, I have a question for you. In your studies/experience have you seen that sociopaths/narcissists have difficulty with logic? My ex (for an otherwise very smart/successful man) has extreme difficulty with logical thinking and my theory on this is that the narcissistic aspect of their disordered personality makes them struggle with it because the fact that they think they know everything, are right about everything, and are the smartest person in the room prevents them from being able to see or consider all angles of an issue. It keeps them from being able to see things the rest of us “normal” people consider. As a result they are only considering from their point of view and it makes their conclusions illogical. It also makes them apt to err in judgment because they consider themselves to be smarter than everyone else.

    This is why I believe Jodi was convinced that all she had to do was rent a car miles away from her home, dye her hair, turn off her cell phone, use gas cans to gas up her car, and have an ultimate destination other than Mesa and that no one would be able to track or figure out that she had motive, means, and opportunity to kill Travis. If she were more logical she would realize that gas stations have video cameras, that rental car companies track how many miles you put on a car when you rent it, that based upon her stalking behavior she would be a likely suspect, etc. Her narcissistic lack of logic, using my theory, is what allowed her to tell the wild stories she told: “I wasn’t there.” “Ninjas broke in.” “Self defense.” and honestly expected others to believe them.

    Your thoughts?

    • 04/13/2013 at 10:28 pm

      Commerce1

      In your studies/experience have you seen that sociopaths/narcissists have difficulty with logic?

      oooooh yes… absolutely and you are correct. I will try to explain why and the dynamic in play.

      I think it’s to do with a very low EQ. “Emotional intelligence (EI) is the ability to identify, assess, and control the emotions of oneself, of others, and of groups”

      Emotional quotient is very important when you need to think quickly and sum up situations especially where people are involved.

      On top of that.. think of their reduced range of emotion, and I’m more particularly talking about Psychopathy here.. they have very strong anger it is one of the few strong emotions they feel.

      Now assuming their anger is like ours.. with a low EQ how much harder is it for them to deal with? This reduces logical thinking in stressful situations. Not only that they react like a child because they simply can’t think through it. We learn to calm ourselves before it takes over us…. they learn to bury it and switch personas but when caught up in the moment that can’t happen instantaneously.

      We see this with the Jodi when Juan comes ever so close to actually calling her a sociopath. The clenched fist as if holding the knife internally fantastising about doing to Juan what she did to Travis. She is raging inside and unable to maintain the persona until she thinks herself down enough for the mask to return.

      Even day to day you find yourself having to explain things to them.. almost like bringing up a child, it’s like they were never taught the most basic concept of consequence even for small things. This can be so frustrating because what is common sense (logical) to us norms is unfathomable to them unless it’s explained. They can’t put two and two together without given the time and information to process it. That’s why they watch people.

      Jodi mimicked Perky with the glasses movements. She watched to learn. She was unfamiliar with wearing them so she copied.

      Lack of common sense also goes to Jodi and the ninja story… it probably didn’t cross her mind that a norm would say… “but why didn’t you get him help?” All she thinks is from her narcissistic side.. worry about yourself. No empathy so no emotional reasoning. No understanding a ‘norm” would or could think of the other person above themselves.

      It’s a shallow form of thinking… only on the surface.

      See how it works? Hope I’ve managed to illustrate this.

      • Commerce1
        04/13/2013 at 11:04 pm

        Yes! Thank you for your explanation. It’s a theory/conclusion I’ve come to over the past few years since I divorced my sociopath as I’ve worked through therapy and studying what makes them tick in order to put my nightmare in perspective and to be in a position to help my son survive having a sociopath for a father. My former step-son wasn’t so lucky. He didn’t survive. He died of a drug overdose last July at 24 after my ex had rejected him and cut him out of his life when he was only 14 years old. A history my ex, of course, has re-written.

        But back to Jodi…..her lack of ability to reason logically is a huge part, in my opinion of her ability to get up on the witness stand and honestly believe a jury is going to believe yet another version of events.

      • Lisa M
        04/13/2013 at 11:08 pm

        Great explanation Syntara. I liked the way you explained the ninja story and how she didn’t realize how ludicrous it was because her low EQ prevents her from doing so.

      • Commerce1
        04/13/2013 at 11:13 pm

        Her lack of ability to apply logical reason is part of what allows her to get on the witness stand and go on and on in nauseating detail about her sex life with Travis and then turn around and accuse him of being a pedophile who is excited by looking at pictures of little boys. Pedophiles are attracted to one type: children. They don’t alternate between women and children. They also, once exposed and investigated, tend to have vast troves of child porn on their computers, on video, or in printed material. Travis had none of that. Yet she expects us to believe he’s an anomoly amongst pedophiles. Because of her narcissistic lack of logic.

        I honestly believe her story that Travis is a pedophile is as fantastical and as illogical as her Ninja story.

      • 04/13/2013 at 11:16 pm

        The ninja story has a lot we can get from it… the paedophilia well that’s just evil.

      • 04/13/2013 at 11:32 pm

        Commerce1 I hate that they leave a trail of broken people in their wake. They are devastating in their lack of care for anything but themselves at any cost.

        I live with it, as you do. We just have to view it as life’s challenges to us. A friend of mine says we are never given more in this life they we can bear. I find it very hard to accept now that I have met a psychopath.

        I survived it, but I am very strong willed. I know others are far less so and without my prior life experience I think I would have lost the battle long ago.

      • Commerce1
        04/13/2013 at 11:47 pm

        Syntara –

        This is why you and I (and so many others on here) are real survivors. NOT that monster on trial claiming domestic violence and self defense. I do agree with you that you are not given more than you can bear – I too am very storng willed. But even so, I came very close to becoming lost. I literally describe it as feeling like I was falling into a black hole and the sky disappearing as the hole closed. I made one last grab for daylight because I knew I had to save my son.

      • 04/13/2013 at 11:51 pm

        I couldn’t get out.. I would just keep saying to myself.. “think girl THINK” it was so hard. When you know that place you know the REAL fog. You know why it’s call FOG! But in actuality it is as you say, more like a spinning downward spiral inside a black hole. It’s way worse than mere fog!

      • Commerce1
        04/13/2013 at 11:50 pm

        (continued) Syntara – I feel blessed to have made it out and know so many other, LIKE TRAVIS, are not so lucky. I am so happy you and many others on this site and elsewhere have made it. I think this is why this trial is so personal for us.

      • 04/13/2013 at 11:54 pm

        yes. it’s like we are Travis and Jodi is the monster we came into contact with. The stories are so similar I KNOW this case because I have lived it!

      • Commerce1
        04/14/2013 at 12:12 am

        Yes, Syntara. I see so many similarities between Jodi and my ex. It scares me because, as the saying goes…..”but for the grace of God, there go I……..”

        I truly recognize the nightmare Travis was dealing with. When he said “You are the worst thing to ever happen to me….” it is very telling. Especially when you realize the childhood he survived. It’s saying a lot to make that statement. But I believe it was no exaggeration.

        In hindsight, it’s even more chilling. When he made that statement he didn’t know she was going to kill him.

      • 04/14/2013 at 12:14 am

        That’s what rips me… he knew but.. I know I’ve been there.. you just do not want to believe that what you really feel they are… THEY ARE.

        Yu just keep telling yourself.. they can’t be that bad. THEY ARE!!

      • NancyB
        04/14/2013 at 2:35 am

        Excellent explanation. I love that you connect it to lack of EQ! I never considered that but it fits so perfectly. Thanks.

      • Crystal Harris
        04/14/2013 at 8:42 am

        Commerce1, it sounds like you and I went through similar situations. It’s also been 5yrs for me. It was my 2 sons who saved me from the black hole as well. I have to admit I’ve never been to therapy though. For me, my therapy has been my fight to help others.
        I have to tell you what my husband did/does that us like yours. He had a philosophy that if you could not 100% prove something, it didn’t happen. Circumstantial and forensic evidence meant nothing to him. If you didn’t personally witness an event, and a person denies it, that’s all that mattered to him. That’s why when he began to rape me, I knew I was in huge trouble. Thank God for my tape recorder.
        Once convicted, his crime had mandatory prison time of 3,6, or 8 yrs. My ex kept demanding that he was eligible for probation because he was such a great guy. The Judge gave him 6yrs.
        And now that he’s in prison as a felony sex offender in Calif, we have this prison realignment going on where they are letting out criminals left and right. Every month my ex writes letters to my boys saying he’s going to be getting out early, even though felony sex offenders are 100% ineligible for early release (beyond the 85% they serve). He lives in a world of his own design. He actually loves prison. No joke. I’ve heard psychopaths do very well in prison.

    • 04/13/2013 at 11:04 pm

      Commerce, my daughter just broke off an engagement to a narcissist/pathological lying sociopath. What a nightmare! But you made the same observation I had – he was very intelligent, but seemed to have trouble thinking through consequences. It was so weird. He was a very in the moment, impulsive, self absorbed maniac with a strong need for immediate gratification. I believe those elements are big contributors to their lack of foresight. He was a master manipulator and abuser. We had no idea the depths of abuse our daughter suffered until just before Christmas. Thank God she got out when she did.

      • Commerce1
        04/13/2013 at 11:38 pm

        Janine – Yes, thank God your daughter got out. Especially before she had children with him. Hopefully she is getting some therapy to help her put it all in perspective. It takes some time to debrief and reprogram yourself after your’ve been in a relationship with a sociopath. Even now, 5 years later, I still have moments where I finally realize something he brainwashed me into believing is complete bullshit. I also bit by bit still realize where he manipulated and brainwashed me.

        Please encourage her to get some therapy. Even if she seems to be doing OK, it is amazing how much damage these people do to your soul and your self-esteem. Damage you don’t even know has occurred.

        This is why I realize how despeate Travis must have been to get Jodi out of his life.

      • 04/14/2013 at 12:13 am

        Thank you for confirming her need for therapy. We have been trying to get her to continue with her therapist, but she is so crazy busy with two jobs. Hopefully, things will slow down soon. If you knew our daughter, you would never believe she could be taken in so deeply. She was always a confident, happy girl who spoke her mind. She became a different person with him – secretive and protective. We later learned it was because she was always in damage control. She came to believe she was nothing without him, because he was so dangerously controlling.

        You are right that we are thankful no children came into the picture. I am so sorry to hear about your step-son. You are wise to not only get out of that relationship, but to learn about the sociopath personality so that you can help your son stay well. I wish you all the best. Stay strong!

      • Commerce1
        04/14/2013 at 1:29 am

        Janine –

        This sounds all too familiar. Like your daughter, no one could believe I could be taken in the way I was. I have always been a stong, independent person. I have an MBA and have always been independent and driven. I became a shadow of myself. My family barely recognized me.

        Your daugher would benefit from therapy if for no other reason than the validation that comes from a trained professional explaining the monster she was dealing with and helping her undestand it absolutely wans’t her. Thewse monsters make you believe it’s you that is the problem.

  61. Jim
    04/13/2013 at 9:59 pm

    Syntara :
    just was unclear in what I was asking.. lucky Jim understands gobbledeegook and sorted me. Well is in the last throes of sorting me.. and NancyB helped supplying a much needed definition.

    …what higher praise 🙂 domain over gobbledeegook! 🙂 WIS is the real brains here – I only explore concepts and recommend strategies…

    • 04/13/2013 at 10:45 pm

      concepts and strategies are what I love!! night sweatpea **waves** 😀

  62. Jim
    04/13/2013 at 10:05 pm

    Headed out to grab a bite – TTYL – ****waves*** enjoy the rest of my tomorrow, Syn…

  63. Grace
    04/13/2013 at 10:14 pm

    Greetings All!

    Been with you here daily, but not in a state of mind to write.

    Watching Samuels (seems like years ago huh?) provoked an ongoing anger with the “psychology” field”. And then the endless days of another “expert” provoked my feeling of helplessness (also with psych field) – so it was too difficult to know whether my comments would be influenced by the actual trial or the lens I was seeing it through.

    We all seem to agree that these “experts” have perverted the value of genuine psychotherapy, etc. and sold their pound of flesh for profit. By (ab)using their “professional opinion” of this monster, they have trivialized the genuine suffering of people with histories of horrific trauma.

    These “experts” were too arrogant to heed Nietzsche’s warning, and consequently fell into the abyss. Now they can merely reflect the monster. This is the absolute antithesis and bastardizing of a profession which was built upon the philosophy and ideas of great ‘human beings’ – William James, Carl Jung, Roberto Assagioli.

    I don’t consider myself a religious person, but I do believe that absolute evil exists – regardless of what “name” IT is called. AL showed us her “inner monster” by (ab)using her “expertise” when she tried to manipulate the reality of the Alexander family. Of course it “wasn’t personal” – because it came from a Body Snatcher.

    I get it that the DT must give JA the best defense – that’s their job, which included finding people who weren’t paying attention to the CORE and MEANING and PURPOSE of their profession. First Do No Harm isn’t just a catchy title, nor is it only reserved for the highest bidder.

    These “experts” reinforced – for me – how soulless this profession has become, and that in reality, this is only a glimpse at a small component of a heartless and powerful industry.
    This is me ranting about the one part (psychology field) of this trial, but this one part is being played out across this country on a massive “in plain sight” scale. So, I won’t go there.

    DISCLAIMER: 
    My psychological perceptions are influenced by a background in professional psychology, but more so in a curiosity about ‘things’ including the concept that “things aren’t always as they seem”.

    How’s that for a tirade?

    Oh, I almost forgot. I wonder if AL coming back has to do with the journals taken from JA’s cell. Could there be something JA wrote about AL?

    • 04/13/2013 at 10:52 pm

      Oh, I almost forgot. I wonder if AL coming back has to do with the journals taken from JA’s cell. Could there be something JA wrote about AL?

      omg… now you’ve thrown a spanner in the works!!! Do you think she would? That would be to ‘real’ for her unless it’s what a wonderful person she is and how she loved the snow white story.. hence the doodle of snow white with the black eye and tears. *blood pressure rising*

      Calm be calm…. be calm oohhhhmmmmm *deep breath*

      As usual loved your post even if you called it a rant! (I wouldn’t) Too insightful!! Ok we’ll go with “Insightful Rant” 😀

      • Jim
        04/14/2013 at 1:43 am

        If I recall correctly – they were seized at the very beginning of April – no idea how long they span backwards, though. Remember, though – if there is something interesting in those – you will need somebody directly related to what ever it is to “bring” it in to evidence…

      • 04/14/2013 at 1:44 am

        maybe lala has

      • Jim
        04/14/2013 at 1:58 am

        Howdy Dahlink 🙂 Sushi, booze, cigars, booze…. How are ya?

      • 04/14/2013 at 2:08 am

        lol! cigars??? seriously??? I’m trying to work on my pathetic blog at the moment in need of some of that booze!! hand it over!!

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/13/2013 at 10:53 pm

      What’s “Nietzche’s Warning”…..I’d go looking for it but I wind up getting lost out there in the internet. And if the old hens were here with me right now it would really be a mess! Could you define for us please? Thank you in advance!

      • 04/13/2013 at 10:56 pm

        I posted that quote a while back CC

        to paraphrase – do not look to long into the abyss or it looks into you. I’ll find the real deal

      • 04/13/2013 at 11:39 pm

        CC’sC

        Full Nietzsche quote:

        “Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. Lest then you gaze long into the abyss, for the abyss also gazes into you.”

        I’m not actually sure that’s the genuine quote because on the net it seems to have been a little bastardised. But that’s as close as I can find atm.

    • Tracey A
      04/13/2013 at 11:45 pm

      Grace!! 🙂 Welcome back! Long time no see. Been wondering where you were. So glad to see your name pop up (I’m kind of in & out tonight myself). Just so you know, we “temporarily” lost a bunch of very astute peoplehere during the last few days of ALV’s BS. Some that were so disgusted by the testiphony, they had to walk away.

      Other hung in there, but it was very tough. Then came the Jury questions…it was like the dawn of a new evolution.

      If you haven’t seen them, you should have Syn repost (sorry Girl) her take on the Jury Q&A. Great stuff as always from that one!

    • Lisa M
      04/14/2013 at 6:39 pm

      Good post Grace. I love your use of the Nietzsche quote to describe how ALV basically sold her soul to the devil by staring too long into the abyss that is Jodi Arias. Can you imagine how she insulted the Alexander family by stating that their family life was responsible for creating this “abuser” that she believes Travis became- without even talking to any of them? And here Travis turned his life around and was a survivor of such abuse, only to have someone kill him, claim he abused her and that SHE is the survivor. Wow.

  64. 04/13/2013 at 10:38 pm

    Grace I have been wanting you to re-appear had a feeling you were with us but didn’t feel like posting.. it is sooooo good to hear from you!!

  65. 04/13/2013 at 10:40 pm

    Courtesy of Chrissie….. they need to make the whole trial into this kind of movie presentation.

    • Tracey A
      04/13/2013 at 11:07 pm

      OMG! Typical Chrissie! WOW! “Jennifer Palin Impersonator” I’m sure that should’ve said “Sarah Palin Impersonator” but still just as funny. LMAO!

      • 04/13/2013 at 11:10 pm

        I like it better the way it is… that sarah palin makes me sick too

  66. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/13/2013 at 10:46 pm

    Jay :
    HLM is particularly hypocritical if it is now criticizing the negative comments about ALV as their show broadcasters took the lead doing that, or doesn’t names like Nancy Grace and Jane Velez-Mitch and Dr. Drew ring a bell with them?

    On Monday….I think….Dr. Drew mentioned that he was going to have a “lip reader” on the show to see what JA was saying to her Willa-nothin’ at the defense table. We immediately thought, “isn’t that illegal?” Doesn’t that cross the line of Attorney/Client privilege? We never saw it air, but we don’t know if we missed it or if they pulled it. Can’t believe HLN would do something like this! That can possibly lead to a mistrial can’t it! Sometimes HLN really becomes bottom feeders. We don’t like this scumbag trying to get away with what she’s claiming, but come on…..draw the line somewhere between true reporting and just sensationalism!

    • 04/13/2013 at 11:07 pm

      You make an excellent observation. I hadn’t even considered a lip reader crossing the line of Attorney/Client privilege if Dr. Drew were to do this on his show.

      Wouldn’t one of the many attorney/talking heads that on his show and other HLN programs advise against this? They couldn’t be this dumb…or could they??

    • Lisa M
      04/13/2013 at 11:12 pm

      Don’t worry CiCi. HLN can do it because as long as the jurors have been admonished not to watch TV that doesn’t cross lawyer/client privilege IMO. I’m not a lawyer so I don’t really know. But if its filmed then I would think its fair game.

      • 04/13/2013 at 11:15 pm

        That sounds reasonable! 😉

      • Commerce1
        04/14/2013 at 12:02 am

        I would think that the fact that Jodi and her lawyers KNOW this trial is being filmed would make this fair game. With that in mind, and knowing there are poeple out there who can lip read, they should be covering their mouths when they talk to each other or turning their backs to the cameras.

        With all that said, this trial is about justice for Travis. No one should be doing anything that might fuel a successful mistrial motion. Even if technically it might be permissible because they know the trial is being filmed and should be taking precautions – HLN is very pro-prosecution. They all speak about justice forTravis. They should not do anything that might jeopardize this trial and put the poor Alexander family through another trial. I don’t think they could bear it.

    • Jay
      04/14/2013 at 12:17 am

      Ci Cis Circle, I had the same reaction you did when I heard the lip reader announcement. That was on the heels of them showing JM signing autographs outside the courthouse and one of their reporters mentioning on air it might be problematic if a juror saw it- and I thought these people are going to mess up the trial. And sure enough the next day the defense asked for a mistrial and that Jm be cited.

      Some network lawyer must have wised them up that lip reading conversations between a defendant and council might get them cited for interfering with the judicial process, and likely have the judge yank the plug on their broadcasting the trial, because I haven’t heard anything from HLM about it since then.

    • TexiBelle
      04/14/2013 at 1:26 am

      I’d still like to see the lip reader. On at least one occasion I saw her mouthing words towards the witness stand. Not necessarily saying something to ALV, just couldn’t help mouthing something in response to the exchange between JM and ALV. Definitely not said to JW.

  67. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/13/2013 at 11:01 pm

    Syntara :
    I posted that quote a while back CC
    to paraphrase – do not look to long into the abyss or it looks into you. I’ll find the real deal

    Oh….sorry….we probably missed it trying to catch up with all the postings.

    • 04/14/2013 at 12:31 am

      was days ago I couldn’t find it so had to get another one, plus for this purpose you needed the bit about monsters too.

  68. Grace
    04/13/2013 at 11:02 pm

    Ci Ci’s Circle :
    What’s “Nietzche’s Warning”…..I’d go looking for it but I wind up getting lost out there in the internet. And if the old hens were here with me right now it would really be a mess! Could you define for us please? Thank you in advance!

    Here is the actual quote CiCi ~
    When you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.
    Friedrich Nietzsche

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/13/2013 at 11:08 pm

      Thank you!

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/13/2013 at 11:09 pm

      Kind of spooky!

      • 04/14/2013 at 12:49 am

        yeah it is. Don’t dance with the devil 😀

  69. Grace
    04/13/2013 at 11:05 pm

    Syntara :
    Grace I have been wanting you to re-appear had a feeling you were with us but didn’t feel like posting.. it is sooooo good to hear from you!!

    Thank you ~ 🙂
    good to be back

  70. Grace
    04/13/2013 at 11:21 pm

    Syntara :
    Oh, I almost forgot. I wonder if AL coming back has to do with the journals taken from JA’s cell. Could there be something JA wrote about AL?
    omg… now you’ve thrown a spanner in the works!!! Do you think she would? That would be to ‘real’ for her unless it’s what a wonderful person she is and how she loved the snow white story.. hence the doodle of snow white with the black eye and tears. *blood pressure rising*
    Calm be calm…. be calm oohhhhmmmmm *deep breath*
    As usual loved your post even if you called it a rant! (I wouldn’t) Too insightful!! Ok we’ll go with “Insightful Rant”

    From what I’ve read so far about Judge (you go girl) Stephens order to AL, is that it’s something bigger than AL approaching Samantha. Would that necessarily go before the Jury? Don’t know. But AL was testifying when the buzz came that Juan had JA’s journals and the DT wanted them back. If JA wrote something that called AL’s behavior into question – I would think that would be quite egregious enough to piss off the Court.

    • 04/14/2013 at 12:36 am

      well anything is possible with her waffling. It’s possible she wrote something sucking up to her that inadvertently gives the game away. That’s so like her. She thinks she is so smart but if you know what to do with it what she says so often gives the game away.

      I can see it when it’s in that light yes.

  71. Tracey A
    04/13/2013 at 11:36 pm

    Essem :
    Here’s another one from same editor that I posted yesterday, next to the Never Ending Answer, it’s my favourite. It reminds me of the matador at a bull fight
    OH CRAP

    Brilliant! (I need to break out my thesaurus, tired of using this word but it just fits too much on this site). The editing is amazing! Love when Juan rises from the table…just like a matador (well said Essem)!!! Perfect! Even the way the Judge removes her glasses as Juan rises to the music. Love it!

  72. Grace
    04/13/2013 at 11:58 pm

    Syntara :
    CC’sC
    Full Nietzsche quote:
    “Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. Lest then you gaze long into the abyss, for the abyss also gazes into you.”
    I’m not actually sure that’s the genuine quote because on the net it seems to have been a little bastardised. But that’s as close as I can find atm.

    Yup – that’s it Syn. The full version puts it much more in perspective.

    • Jay
      04/14/2013 at 12:28 am

      The eminently quotable Nietzsche also made these two relevant ALV comments:

      ““I’m not upset that you lied to me, I’m upset that from now on I can’t believe you.”
      And
      “There are no facts, only interpretations.”

      • 04/14/2013 at 12:33 am

        Don’t like the second one.

      • Jay
        04/14/2013 at 7:27 pm

        The second is attributable to LaViolette for relavency

  73. 04/14/2013 at 12:56 am

    Here’s some more Jury Q’s

    Jury Q’s cont…

    Q. Regarding the argument in the car between Jodi and Travis what exactly did she tell you about the face slap?

    A. She told me it was on the jaw the jaw and cheek mean the same I thought it was the cheek but it was the jaw { another misspeak apparently }

    Q. How confident are you she didn’t lie to you?

    A. *shrugs* 😯 I don’t think she lied about significant things, she wouldn’t I built a rapport instantly with her by apologising. She instantly saw I wasn’t bowing down to her so I know she would never have taken advantage of my sympathetic nature.

    Q. What is the connection between Travis’ childhood and your claim he is an abuser?

    A. Cos he grew up in an abusive relationship.
    {
    LaLa goes into detail about Travis’ background… terrible things Jodi nonchalantly scratches her cheek}

    Q. Would Jodi rather lie there and be killed?

    A. I have no idea what she was thinking but I know she killed the bastard and that’s all I care about.

    Q. Can a person psychologically control without being physically abusive.

    A. Yes , they manipulate and psychologically control and that’s what Travis done too I remember now.

    Q. Have any of Travis’ ex girlfriends said he was physically abusive.

    A. None only Jodi cos she’s real special.

    Q. Is it possible the IM May 10, 2008 was a running joke between the two of them

    A. Didn’t sound like it .. sounded like Travis was real mad at poor little Jodi cos he’s a big meanie.

    Q. In May 26, 2008 texts if Jodi was so made at Travis why didn’t she stop talking to him right then?

    A. I don’t know.

    Q. Other than Jodi did you interview anyone else face to face?

    A. No I didn’t, these forensic psychiatrists that interview 58 witnesses to get a full picture pfffft.. with my air graphs and understanding of the space time continuum.. I say complete waste of time! Not necessary, takes me a couple days here, couple days there and bingo.. I’m on it!

    Q. Are aware she broke into her grandparents house only 2 days after the IM fight?

    A. Yep, but hey it happens no biggie.

    Q. We have heard of different females Travis talked to between October 2007 and May 2008, wasn’t it a known fact between Jodi and Travis, he was looking for someone to marry?

    A Nah he was just looking for a root didn’t really seem to want a wife. Did you see those emails? c’mon be serious! They were flirtatious!

    Q. Would you say that if one person has more power than the other it can be because it’s given rather than demanded.

    A. Yes but I keep telling you.. this is an abusive relationship and Jodi’s the victim, can you pay attention?

    Q. There was nothing in the journals indicating she was jealous, wouldn’t that be consistent with her belief on LOA?

    A. It could be but she did sometimes put negative things in { all of a sudden}

    Q. Could a female abuse, batter or terrorise a man to the point of killing him?

    A. I’m sorry I didn’t understand that ❗ 😯 ❗ { I kid you not! }
    Yes woman can be perpetrators. In the time continuum is usually always men, always usually, always nearly men.

    Q. We keep hearing perpetrator and him constantly linked in your sentences but couldn’t a perpetrator be a she?

    A. ➡ A perpetrator can be a she. { hallelujah praise the lord! She gave a straight answer for once!!

    Q. How many times and what dates did you meet with Jodi.

    A. Well my glasses are in my handbag and so is my calendar and I can’t answer that. It’s not really important when i met with her is it? It’s only the whole reason you have to sit through the torture of listening to me. But meh.. what can I say.. it was near my daughters wedding once I know that.

    Q. During your testimony you made claims base on the word of a liar.

    A. Yep had to.

    Q. You say Jodi didn’t get medical attention to protect Travis.. why didn’t she just lie and seek it?

    A. Some women do that.

    Q. Doesn’t character assassination involve more than just the two people concerned. Character assassination is diminishing someones character to others. If this is downgraded to name calling doesn’t it then fall into a different category?

    A. According to Ms Guru who can’t even define manipulation without using the word manipulate, it doesn’t.

    Q. How do you validate your continuum mumbo jumbo if you only have one side of the relationship?

    A. By using the global transient view I morphed into an alternate universe and osmosed the necessary information.

    Q. You testified that in March when Jodi’s voice mail was full Travis ordered her to empty it, how do you know he didn’t just ask her?

    A. I read it how I wanted to.. lucky for me reading texts is purely subjective and influenced almost totally by the perspective of the reader.

    Q. Considering Jodi and Travis communicated regularly, if he couldn’t leave a message for a week wouldn’t it be understandable he was irritated at her full voice mail?

    A. yep but he’s a man and he isn’t allowed to get irritated. He is supposed to be Dr Spock, ffs we are in the time continuum here and men have to be PERFECT or they get what Jodi dished out. Don’t you get that yet?
    Q. Since you were hired to look into Travis and Jodi’s relationship to determine if it was or was not abusive why didn’t you look further into Travis’ txts of him fearing Jodi 😀 Do you think this may have been important.

    { ghosts of Dr Dodgy question here.. don’t you think it was important to retest her when the ninja story turned out to be crap }

    A. I continued to read all the txts and dismissed his fear. Didn’t bother to link his fear to his mutilated body in the shower. Wasn’t really necessary in my opinion.

    • 04/14/2013 at 1:09 am

      Syn, this is hysterical! Ever thought of writing for SNL? Heaven knows they could use some good writing these days! 😀

      The only thing I would’ve added to all of ALV’s responses to JM’s questions would’ve been: “Mr. Martinez” (Said with a smirk, closed eyes, and condescending tone).

      • 04/14/2013 at 1:13 am

        haha did you see my earlier ones? These are end of croakerqueen part 2… I’m about to do the last 26 mins or so which is part 3 on you tube.

    • Tracey A
      04/14/2013 at 1:37 am

      ROFLAMO!!! Syn – I had no idea you were one of the court stenographers! which one are you. The cute little blonde, Mike B who we all love, the older lady??? Identify yourself!! My word, this is a direct transcript of exactly what I heard.

      Your talents and humor know no bounds, Woman. Thank you for a much needed laugh. 🙂

      See ya all later…

      • 04/14/2013 at 1:46 am

        Have a good night Tracey!

      • 04/14/2013 at 1:49 am

        yeah you got me I’m mike B! mmahahahahaha I love him!!! LOved him since I first started watching! He’s like a commentary just watching him!

  74. 04/14/2013 at 1:02 am

    Syntara :
    Don’t like the second one.

    I agree. I think Nietzsche tried to be just a tad too clever in some of his philosophical observations.

    • 04/14/2013 at 1:06 am

      absolutely agree with you Mark.

      • 04/14/2013 at 1:08 am

        felt he was a little too jaded.
        He’s kind of like the anti-philosopher at times.

  75. 04/14/2013 at 1:11 am

    Syntara :
    felt he was a little too jaded.
    He’s kind of like the anti-philosopher at times.

    Indeed!

  76. 04/14/2013 at 1:28 am

    Syntara :
    haha did you see my earlier ones? These are end of croakerqueen part 2… I’m about to do the last 26 mins or so which is part 3 on you tube.

    No, I haven’t seen them yet, but plan on checking them out tonight or tomorrow. Funny thing is, I could actually picture ALV saying your “updated” versions 😀 Being a newbie, i’m sure I missed a lot of good stuff here.

    Croakerqueen’s YT are my first stop on active trial days. While some of the YT discussions can be okay, they have a tendancy to deteriorate quite rapidy. That’s why i’m so glad I found this forum. I love the great insights and humor! Much thanks to donchais for hosting this great forum!

    • 04/14/2013 at 2:13 am

      there on the 11th start around lunch time my time so blog I guess 10 or 11pm and then I posted em throughout the day to late evening.

      • 04/14/2013 at 2:14 am

        they’re*

    • 04/14/2013 at 2:18 am

      I dont reads the comments… I used YT for the first 30 odd days of the trial only cos I was a late starter, didn’t even know the trial was on found out by accident. Did an obsessive manic catch up in about a week.

      David Lohr’s are good too. Tawndilly (sp) is another

      • 04/14/2013 at 2:43 am

        Yes, I was a late starter as well to this trial. We were watching Mystery Dectectives one Sunday, and they kept talking about this JA trial. I checked it out on the internet and have been following it since.

        Thanks for the info on the other two YT sources for the trial. I’ll check them out as well.

        Have a good night.

  77. Jim
    04/14/2013 at 2:39 am

    Syn…

    • 04/14/2013 at 2:44 am

      … Jim

      • Jim
        04/14/2013 at 2:50 am

        how is my tomorrow, Dahlink?

  78. Commerce1
    04/14/2013 at 2:50 am

    Syntara –

    Another observation I’d like your input on……

    When you are dealing with an NPD (narcissistic personality disorder)/Sociopath, you spend much of your time literally walking on egg shells. You learn not to challenge, you mask your real feelings/opinions., you agree with them (even when your heart and soul screams “NO!”),you give in to them, you “be” the person they want you to be because it keeps the peace. The alternative is to suffer them constantly raging at you; cajoling, nagging, screaming, critizing, berating, threatening, etc.

    All the while, because they are so manipulative, such accomplished liars, so charismatic, so chameleon-like – they are able to convince others of practically anything. You know that if you try to tell anyone what you are dealing with, including law enforcement or even trained psychiatric professionals, they have the ability to lie and convince them you are the crazy one (look at LaViolette). That you are exaggerating. This is why you don’t file police reports. This is why you don’t tell others. This is why, if and when it finally comes out, there are many people who don’t believe you. There’s also a part of you, when you are ending the relationship, which believes that if you play nice it will minimize the conflict and they will eventually leave you alone. The truth is they won’t. They only see it as a sign of weakness. It encourages them to prey on you all the more.

    This is why I believe Travis, like most of us “normals” would, believed that if he remained civil with Jodi, kept her at arms length, tried to establish a platonic friendship with her, etc. – that she would eventually lose interest and move on. I believe he was afraid to completely alienate her because he realized she was unstable and that she was capable, at the very least, of slandering him professionally or within his religious community. I honestly believe that if he had taken steps to register his concerns by filing the police report when tires were slashed, reported when she broke into his house, reported when she hacked his email and social networking accounts and possibly even his bank accounts, and perhaps taken out a restraining order on her, it would have saved his life – if for no other reason than that, even as narcissistically illogical as she is, she would have realized that a police report and a restraining order would have made her the obvious suspect should anything happen to him.

    At the end when he was texting hateful things to her, I believe he was at his wits end. He had tried being the nice guy. It didn’t work. Now he was trying the tactic of telling her exactly what he thought of her. This is where Alyce stepped in and interpreted it as him being abusive, when in reality it was him at his wits end because she just wouldn’t leave him alone.

    • 04/14/2013 at 3:09 am

      yes… one thing though.. not all of them rage berate etc… for example Doofus I think is like Jodi. I think Jodi is more the covert aggressive.

      These type are particularly hard to deal with because you can’t put your finger on what they are doing you just know they are doing. How do you explain that to others? Most say thing like..oh he/she is not that bad or they want to believe you but they can’t see it happening. So you are left alone and you start doubting yourself.

      Plus of course simultaneously you have them telling you that you are imagining it all.

      It does your head-in.

      Refer gaslight – 1944 movie. It’s wicked stuff. In the movie she has an ally. In real life you don’t. What would have happened to her if that guy wasn’t there to help her. To validate her?

      It’s extreme psychological and emotional trauma.

      Another tool they have in their arsenal is saying things behind your back and building a case against you without you even knowing about it. That’s horrendous to. If you get an inkling of it you can confront that person, if you don’t it goes on and on.

      Look at what Jodi did with Travis and the Hughes’. They spoke against her. She then turned the waterworks on and played the victim. Travis got angry at the Hughes’ and Jodi wins. She starts the ball rolling on widening the wedge between them. It’s no accident it’s deliberate but she would have played it as if she were trying not to be disloyal to them, he would have had to drag it out of her. Of course it was crap, she just played it that way.

      Because all the machinations are hidden the target just can’t do anything about it. The perpetrator knows it and takes full advantage of it.

      This is classic manipulation. You would be very interested in a lot of the articles on

      http://www.manipulative-people.com/

      have a look ans see what type of manipulator you are dealing with.

      perhaps start here:

      http://www.manipulative-people.com/manipulation-tactics-a-closer-look/

      • Crystal Harris
        04/14/2013 at 9:08 am

        This is my husband’s personality. Very passive aggressive. He was never screaming, yelling, raging. When he threatened to kill me, it was always very calmly and deliberately, which actually scared me more.
        The psychologist who evaluated him and did MMPI test on him told me my ex is more like a cobra than a bulldog, and that in his experience the cobras are more lethal. And when they are violent or acting out criminally, their pulse goes down, their blood pressure lowers, etc. This is my husband. People ask me what I think he’ll do when he’s released from prison next year, and my answer is that although I put nothing past him; I think he’ll wait. But I don’t for minute think I’m safe. And he might wait for years, but that doesn’t mean I’m safe. It’s part of his cobra-like stealth and waiting til he thinks no one is paying attention anymore.

    • MAGLD
      04/14/2013 at 11:34 am

      My thoughts exactly r.e Alyce mis-interpreting travis’s texts without putting them in CONTEXT!!!! and therefore believing that Travis was the abuser. I wonder if,hypothetically speaking, ……..should
      Travis be alive today and seek out Alyce’s help for stalking by Jodi ….that when presented with Jodi’s creative version of said events that Alyce would CHOOSE to believe Jodi instead of Travis(taking into consideration, of course that Jodi would successfully present her skillfully made up lies as evidence)

  79. 04/14/2013 at 2:54 am

    Jim :
    how is my tomorrow, Dahlink?

    OMG!!!! I just made myself a bloody mary.. and put waaay too much vodka in it… and it’s YOUR fault!!!

    • Jim
      04/14/2013 at 3:01 am

      and I don’t doubt one second, Syn! 🙂 I am the root cause of all that’s evil… JA – ugly little step sister!….

      • 04/14/2013 at 3:10 am

        LOL! now don’t even joke about such things!!!

      • Jim
        04/14/2013 at 3:15 am

        that was kinda reaching to get that “lol”, wasn’t it? probably very telling in a way I’m not even aware of… 🙂

  80. NancyB
    04/14/2013 at 2:59 am

    https://twitter.com/Jamie_Martinez_/status/323118206258655232/photo/1

    This is very upsetting to see anyone even would think such a thing let alone write it and tweet it.

    • Jim
      04/14/2013 at 3:05 am

      It’s sick indeed – lacks the “i’m gonna” that would make it note worthy to authorities…

      • 04/14/2013 at 8:26 am

        That seems awfully deliberate i it’s ommission

      • 04/14/2013 at 8:27 am

        omission*

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 9:25 am

      I checked and that account doesn’t exist on twitter. It has also been reported to the Phoenix FBI office. It’s truly scary what loons (no offense to the bird) are out there and how brave they get behind a computer or smart phone!!! smh

  81. NancyB
    04/14/2013 at 3:31 am

    Thanks -that’s good to know Jim. Still reading earlier comments to catch up but now to bed. 🙂

  82. Laine
    04/14/2013 at 6:27 am

    I really wish I was awake when you guys are chatting! but it’s always a great read to wake up to! Thanks for all your contributions!

    Syn, whilst reading your conversations with commerce1 which were very insightful, I was reminded of the Sophie Elliot case in NZ.Clayton Robert Weatherston was the bf wo stabbed her to death while her mother was downstairs, and he also took the stand…it was chilling watching a true Narcissist testifing and was the first real trial that took brought my attention to the psychological conditions associated with these types of murder. Do you recall it?

    And Commerce1, Nancy and Syn my hearts go out to you I can’t even imagine dealing with this in such close proximity. Your courage is inspiring!

    • 04/14/2013 at 8:20 am

      Laine no I don’t know of it… I dont watch much well none really mainstream media. I need to google it.

  83. Anonymous
    04/14/2013 at 6:46 am

    People may not like The prosecutor, but he is the only voice Travis has and he is seeking justice trying to point out all the lies and the stories that Jodi and her defense team are doing.. The whole case is built on lies. What Travis is being trashed for actually is describing Jodi.Imagine taking oath to tell the truth but only lies are presented and things taken out of context like his emails. What a farce to people who are really abused.

  84. MMD
    04/14/2013 at 8:09 am

    Marilyn N :
    Hi MMD,
    I am pretty confident that Kenneth is JW’s husband.
    They are about the same age. You can google his name
    and click images to see his photo. 😊

    I stand corrected. Thanks Marilyn 🙂

  85. Janeto
    04/14/2013 at 9:00 am

    04/13/2013 at 10:33 pm | #283 Quote
    lol Janeto why you say you are the lone ranger?

    Syn,……cuz I’m always alone! What better way to call it?

  86. MMD
    04/14/2013 at 9:11 am

    Essem :
    Here’s another one from same editor that I posted yesterday, next to the Never Ending Answer, it’s my favourite. It reminds me of the matador at a bull fight
    OH CRAP
    /blockquote>
    Love it, love it, love it. That our Juan!!!!! He’s gonna tie this whole thing up in a nice neat bow for the jury and she’s gonna be saying more than O Crap! ROFL 🙂

  87. MMD
    04/14/2013 at 9:12 am

    Morning Janet – you still here or are you checking upstairs??????????? ******waves***** and {{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}. We don’t see you very often and I miss you 😦

  88. Janeto
    04/14/2013 at 9:29 am

    Mornig MMD and all!!! Kind of checking upstairs! So many!!! I know u don’t see me very often. Often times comments are way over my head so I lay low…didn’t believe anybody might miss my mundane comments..

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 9:31 am

      Your comments are never mundane darlin’ – everybody has SOMETHING to contribute!!!!!!! So don’t try and pull that excuse on me!!!!!!!! 😦 hands on hips!

      • Janeto
        04/14/2013 at 9:35 am

        LOL! I love your “hands on hips”!! did you know I have a “metal” hat now like Magneto on X-men? Keeps the rest of the BS from “Lavalamp” out!! And my waders are up to my armpits?

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 9:40 am

        but does it have the appropriate antennas – they are critical?????

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 9:33 am

      Plus if your comments are sooooooooooooo mundane, according to you, then why is your lack of comments noticed!!!!!! huh????? huh???? answer me that one darlin’ 🙂

      • Janeto
        04/14/2013 at 9:37 am

        Only by you dahlink,…only by you…

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 9:39 am

        By others as well. You seemed to slowly disappear off the planet after your company arrived although you still popped in. So what gives??????????? Doncha love us anymore?????????

  89. MMD
    04/14/2013 at 9:37 am

    Does anybody remember way back in time, when the computer of JM’s rebuttle shrink expert was stolen???? Well just found out that a hard copy had been made of all the JA info, test results, etc. so nothing was lost.

    Still think that it was highly suspicious though.

    • Janeto
      04/14/2013 at 9:40 am

      I remember…..I was wondering how she would still testify if she didn’t have her info. Great for hard copy!!!!

  90. MMD
    04/14/2013 at 9:41 am

    So Miss Janet – explain yourself – where have you been!!!!!!!!

    • Janeto
      04/14/2013 at 9:46 am

      Busy at work, and when I watch live stream when I can from work, it screws up my computer….ticks me off because I have a lot of things I have to use it for at work…so I try to read the comments as the trial goes on, but sometimes there are so many, and then I get pulled away by work that I miss a bunch!!! Wish I was retired!!! Just frustrated I suppose….I’ll get over it..

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 9:48 am

        As I keep telling ya darlin’ priorities, priorities 🙂

  91. Janeto
    04/14/2013 at 9:42 am

    MMD :
    By others as well. You seemed to slowly disappear off the planet after your company arrived although you still popped in. So what gives??????????? Doncha love us
    anymore?????????

    Guess I didn’t “feel the love” like I did before…..just kind of got a bit depressed when you miss out some days you know? Feels like you’ve been forgotten. Ever feel like that?

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 9:45 am

      Yep on many occasions. Sometimes when the comments get going fast and furious it’s hard to jump back in but you just have to. Plus this group has grown and grown and grown and everyday there are tons of new people on here. Can’t keep up with them. Many for just that day. I no longer do the official welcome any longer.

      • Janeto
        04/14/2013 at 9:48 am

        I noticed that!! Yeppers the newbies are so many which is awesome, but I don’t have enough free time to keep up and it’s eating at me!!!

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 9:47 am

      The blog did go through some growing pains there for a while and I think there were some people on here who didn’t have the best of intentions but they have since left because nobody paid any attention to them.

      • Janeto
        04/14/2013 at 9:53 am

        Yeah, I did notice those who didn’t have the best intentions…I had some questions before that never got answered, but I forgot them now..Man o man I wish we could all meet someplace when this is all over to kind of celebreate….I saw some mentions of that earlier. That would be sooo neat!!!!! But I could never afford to go….even if that were to happen..

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 9:57 am

        It would be neat but yet really odd. Ya kinda have a picture of people here but putting actual faces to the names would be fun and strange. I probably wouldn’t go. I hate travelling by myself.

      • Crystal Harris
        04/14/2013 at 1:10 pm

        That would be awesome to have a meet-up in Phoenix as a celebration of Jodi’s conviction. Someone please plan this!! 🙂

  92. MMD
    04/14/2013 at 9:53 am

    Janet I know that sometimes the testiphony, especially lately, has really gotten to me and I’ve just had to shut it off and walk away. I was literally driving myself nuts. Then I would come back, sometimes have a rant, or just skip over that day and move on to the next. You truly haven’t missed anything the last few weeks with ALV. All she has done is infuriate, frustrate and cause me to have bad dreams!!!! but I still watch but when it’s really bad, computer off. Just doesn’t shut the mind off at night though. 😦

    • Janeto
      04/14/2013 at 9:56 am

      LOL! I know what you mean……I do know I’m just as frustrated, and saw your rants!! I was right along with you in spirit on that!!! And yes my hat DOES have antennas! That will never go away! :)!!!!!

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 9:59 am

        I think that once the rebuttle case gets started, then we’re going to get back to who the true victim is and that it’s not the JA show. Watching JM pull it all together will be truly fascinating to watch!

  93. Janeto
    04/14/2013 at 10:00 am

    I watched Nancy Grace last night…..I know I know, but I heard a few juror questions I hadn’t heard before….one was really good, but not word for word here….something about “does a slap, and kick, and some mean words out do being shot, stabbed 27 times, and wouldn’t Jodi be the perpetrator?” And miss “Lavalamp” answered “NO????” WTF????? I just lost it!!!

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 10:03 am

      Yep, she wasn’t gonna change her answer for anything. She’s right, even though her career is now down the toilet, and she’s not gonna back down for anybody. Hopefully she won’t be able to ruin and more true victims of DV!!! It’s truly time for her to be put out to pasture because she is NO longer relevant. And all the misrepresenting she did on her CV?????? Unfreakinbelievable!!!!

      • Janeto
        04/14/2013 at 10:10 am

        You got that right!!!! Old fashioned is one thing, but open minded, she is NOT…True DV’s are sick about it all, and ruins a lot of true victims chances of ever being heard much less believed!!! Sickening to the core of my being!!!! And summer time, cleaning gutters for you, will take more than flannels to keep this Texan (use to the heat) warm!!! 🙂

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 10:13 am

        But darlin’ you said you hated the heat!!! loved the cool. It’s nice and warm here in the summer – ya really wouldn’t need flannels 😉

  94. Janeto
    04/14/2013 at 10:02 am

    MMD :
    It would be neat but yet really odd. Ya kinda have a picture of people here but putting actual faces to the names would be fun and strange. I probably wouldn’t go. I hate travelling by myself.

    See, we are much alike……Even if I could afford it, I don’t like traveling by myself either!!! 🙂

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 10:04 am

      Well I thought you were coming for our summer. Flannels will be provided 🙂

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 10:09 am

      Plus I have gutters that need to be cleaned! 🙂 I just looked out, I’m still in bed, and it’s snowing like crazy. It’ll be gone in an hour, but yet it’s been snowing every day for the last week or so 😦

      • Janeto
        04/14/2013 at 10:12 am

        Oh good Lord, and mix that with water………even in your summer……..can you say “frostbite??” Too much snow for me thank you very much…”hands on hips”…LMAO!!!

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 10:16 am

        Then why is this place a tourist haven??????????????? People, including many Yanks, come for our red dirt, endless white sandy beaches and world class golf courses. Ya can still get fried during the day but you’ll be able to sleep at night to the sound of the ocean!!!!!

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 10:17 am

        Let me chance that to mostly Yanks come

  95. Janeto
    04/14/2013 at 10:16 am

    MMD :
    But darlin’ you said you hated the heat!!! loved the cool. It’s nice and warm here in the summer – ya really wouldn’t need flannels

    errr uh, I said USE to the heat, love the cool, but not the freakin COLD!!! I bet your summers are beautiful though….One of my brothers lives in Michigan, and he loves the summers, but hates the winters…..

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 10:20 am

      To tell ya the truth, the eastern seaboard of the US has had a much worse winter than we have. Weather patterns are really changing plus being a small island, alot of it blows straight through. Even places around the Great Lakes, which are considered in the banana belt, have had it worse than we have.

  96. Janeto
    04/14/2013 at 10:22 am

    Thank you for the chat MMD! I need to go now while it’s cool and cloudy out. Gotta clean my truck windows, and put on my registation tags for the year……I’ll pop in and say hello when I can…take care of those doggies, and keep your head free from the migraines!!! hugs n waves{{}}

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 10:23 am

      Now you make sure you DOOOOOO come back now Janet. hugs and waves back 🙂

  97. Anniefreeze
    04/14/2013 at 10:26 am

    Regarding la book: I saw this comment on amazon, it was too good to not share, it says it all.

    824 of 882 people found the following review helpful
    This Professor Says…Don’t Waste Your Money, April 5, 2013
    By LifeProf
    This review is from: It Could Happen To Anyone: Why Battered Women Stay (Paperback)
    As a professor, author, and researcher in intimate relationships and sexuality, I feel qualified to assess LaViolette’s book.

    While some of her discussions are accurate, the difficulty lies in the fact that her thoughts and ideas are left over from the 1970s and are from a radical feminism framework (which is fine for those who adhere to that ideology); in full disclosure, ethical researchers and scholars typically discuss their paradigm (bias), but LaViolette does not. This is important to note, because the radical feminist framework always holds the male accountable for the violence, and holds women innocent; this is in direct contrast with what current research studies indicate. While empirical evidence does indicate that women are typically the victims and men are the perpetrators, this is NOT ALWAYS the case. LaViolette’s book fails to note that men are battered, too.

    Other problems exist in the research cited in the book–most of her research is QUITE antiquated, dating back as far as the 1950s. This is unfortunate as it does not truly represent what we know about Intimate Partner Violence (IPV) and Domestic Violence (DV) in our culture today; the research is not current, it is not relevant, and it is NOT representative of the landscape of IPV. Furthermore, LaViolette’s interpretation of some of the benchmark studies is skewed. I suspect this is due, in part, to her lack of research experience. After all, she is a clinician, not a researcher. This is evident in her writings.

    I knew of LaViolette’s work prior to the now-famous murder trial of Travis Alexander and because of her lack of research knowledge chose not to cite her in any of my books. Now that I have watched her testify and have seen how she grossly misrepresents Walker’s Cycle of Abuse, I question her knowledge of IPV and DV and her relevancy in today’s culture.

    • Janeto
      04/14/2013 at 10:30 am

      Wow!!!!! WE pegged her right!!!!!!!!! Thx Anniefreeze!!!

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 10:32 am

      Morning Annie – Wow, that’s truly calling it as she see it and from another in her field. Thanks for sharing. I stopped reading the reviews on Amazon because I was just getting more and more upset and frustrated with what she is doing to former, current and future true DV victims!!!

      • Anniefreeze
        04/14/2013 at 10:48 am

        Morning janeto and MMD. Thanks for the greetings. I have not read any comments yet today…have to hold off, but can’t wait. 😄I too have yard work and in portland Maine it is 50 degrees and sunny, this is perfect weather IMO.

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 11:03 am

        Did you send your snow to us today!!!!!! 😦

    • Laine
      04/14/2013 at 11:18 am

      WOW this is great! It shows true profesionals in her field are calling her out! That along with true victims of DV is what is needed here. I hope other people/media see this and realise it is not just a bias of supporters of Travis Alexander that are questioning her knowledge and ethics! Brilliant Thanks Annie!

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 11:34 am

        Hiya Laine – How are things across the pond???????

    • 04/14/2013 at 12:41 pm

      Great catch Annie…thank you for posting!!

      It’s these types of accurate assessments that are sending our media into a tizzy trying to defend ALV.

  98. Janeto
    04/14/2013 at 10:26 am

    I’ll be back, I promise. Especially for the “great /rebuttle and closing”!!!! bye for now…..

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 10:29 am

      Bye darlin’ really enjoyed talking to ya! 🙂

    • Laine
      04/14/2013 at 11:20 am

      Cya Janet! nice to see you posting again 🙂

  99. Priscilla
    04/14/2013 at 10:49 am

    I come to this site every day to de-stress and feel like I am in the presence of a great circle of individuals who share my views and also have some hilarious things to share. Thanks so much for all that you do. I have only posted a comment one other time but I want to throw in my “2 cents'” today and see if anyone has any other thoughts on this. Since the defense is so hell bent on getting a mistrial I have really been worrying about the testimony scheduled for Monday with Grace Wong. From what I understand she is a producer at InSession. I am thinking that this has to to with the Mistrial motion brought about because of the autograph signings by my hero Juanwonderful. When Jean Cesarez was on the stand she was asked by Nurmi if she had ever viewed any other videos of him exiting the courthouse by the front door. She testified that she had not and that it was not her job to track and review videos. Nurmi said that he was going to get the video and present it to the court. I am hoping that that is all this is and that Ms. Wong will just be there to present the video and maybe testify that InSession has no other videos that show any interaction that might be deemed inappropriate. Then the judge can finally rule on the mistrial request which, to me, is pathetic. Hopefully, she will see it the same way. Anybody have any other thoughts on this ? Thanks again for being here. I was “displaced” (a fancy term used by employers for laid off LOL) and was extremely depressed until I read about this trial now I thank the Lord every night that I am still alive and surrounded by a loving family. The only problem is that I am supposed to be looking for a job but the trial is conuming me !!!!

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 11:10 am

      Morning Priscilla – I’m sorry that you got laid off, seems to be a lot of that going on. I have a friend in Belmont, MA, who was the claims manager for the same company for 28 years, who had the same thing happen to her almost a year ago. Lots of folks here in Canada who are able to and have government jobs are taking early retirement. It’s bad everywhere.

      Anyway, HLN/In Session did not do the actual story about JM. It originated at Channel 12 in AZ and they have no idea why HLN cut it the way they did. In their piece, they explained that it was the only time JM EVER walked out the front door and the jurors were long, long gone. Wurmi as usual is just spitting in the wind. Here is the link to the article about the story:
      http://www.azcentral.com/video/#/How+the+12+News+story+on+Juan+Martinez+originated/2261149720001

      • Priscilla
        04/14/2013 at 11:58 am

        Thanks for the info !!!

      • 04/14/2013 at 12:13 pm

        Good morning MMD~~any speculation why Wormi would not get the original from channel 12 instead of a cut copy?

        Also, I always feel like I am snooping when I read conversations between people but I appreciated yours with Janeto. You have such a warm way of expressing inclusion to everyone. I do believe you are a very wise lady!!! ;~)
        Also thanks for all your info you post on here. I said before and will reiterate, you are a ‘gem’.

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 12:19 pm

        Hi VIckee – thanks for the kind words but you’re not shooping silly. Only JA does that!!! LOL As for Wurmi, well that would make it too easy and ya know he can barely get out of his way as it is!!! Plus HLN is where he saw it as he stated. He couldn’t care less whether or not it is factual, recut, or whatever. The HLN video fits his motion better cause we know he and the truth are not acquainted!!! 😉

      • 04/14/2013 at 12:51 pm

        Thanks for posting this video link.

        While it’s only my subjective observation, I really believe the Judge is getting fed up with the defense team’s constant objections during JM’s cross examinations (“You’re Honor, may we approach?), and their rediculous mistrial motions.

        This is beginning to go beyond due process.

    • HJ Madison
      04/14/2013 at 11:42 am

      Hi Priscilla:

      I will weigh-in on your thoughts. I have watched many trials on CourtTV, then In Session and now HLN (who knows about the future 😦 of live trials!) IMO the DT must make a record of every little opportunity that comes along. It will not de-rail this trial because no matter what JM may or may not have done outside the courtroom, the jurors are not suppose to be watching. And, if any juror saw anything inappropriate and they admit to having seen it, they can be booted off. (Though we are starting to run low on “alternates”). This is all about making a record for the appeal. And for an appeal to be successful ….. pretty tough …… and it will take forever! No …. this trial will go forward unless something huge happens….

      I find most live trial coverage fascinating ….. talk about reality tv. And usually I try to find a live stream somewhere to watch so as not to be too influenced by the commentary (and with HLN the disgusting number of ads!). I do appreciate hearing from Beth Karas and some of the trial watchers in the courtroom — especially to get their read on the jury. I have found this to be an interesting forum. I mostly “lurk”, but sometimes ask a question … and often get very thoughtful responses. And some of the postings are hilarious!

      • Priscilla
        04/14/2013 at 12:01 pm

        Thanks, and I too think that live trial coverage is fascinating except that sometimes I get so angry when I feel that justice is not being served.

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 12:10 pm

        Well with JM coming up with his rebuttle case and closing, I think that finally we’ll see a case where justice is served. Plus Priscilla, this a wonderful place to come when trial is live especially to vent about that trainwreck, ALV who did such a disservice to so many true DV victims, past, present and future!!!

    • 04/14/2013 at 12:13 pm

      hello Priscilla! “Displaced” I remember when in Europe 9 years ago my friends husband was made,”redundant” at his place of employment and after 23 years of being a good loyal employee. So as often will happen and I hope for you some AWESOME OPPORTUNITY
      will come your way when u least expect it and hopefully when the trial has just ended!!
      LOL LOL

      • Priscilla
        04/14/2013 at 1:26 pm

        Thanks, Trial Watcher, for your kind words of encouragement !!! I know that I will find another job and the one good thing my former employer did was give us excellent severance packages so I have several months to look around. The best part about that is that I get to keep up with the trial and when it ends ( it will end, won’t it ???) I will be going through withdrawal and will need a job just to fill my days with something other than this. I swore after the Casey Anthony farce that I would NEVER let myself get emotionally involved in a trial but what can I say other than JUSTICE FOR TRAVIS !!!!

    • Crystal Harris
      04/14/2013 at 1:24 pm

      Hi Priscilla. Please don’t even think twice about mistrial motions. They are so routine in all criminal cases. I’ve been through it. In my situation, the trial lasted 4 weeks and there were 3-4 mistrial motions filed. It’s the defense’s job to do this for the official record for the Appellate lawyers. And I can also guarantee you now after Jodi is convicted there will be a motion for a “Re-Trial”. Be ready for that. Just roll your eyes and laugh at the pathetic-ness (is that a word?) of the Defense.

      • Priscilla
        04/14/2013 at 1:43 pm

        Thanks, Crystal, I feel better !!! Yeah, I do anticipate the motion for a “re-trial” but at least she will be sitting in prison waiting for the decisions on that and not sitting in court giving the finger and practicing her fake crying. It will be agony for her to be out of the spotlight. I wouldn’t be surprised if she gets herself in trouble in there just to get the publicity. She’s already shown she’s good at that.

  100. 04/14/2013 at 11:24 am

    just found this site though have been following trial since day1-don’t quite know how it works here-anyone willing to help a newbie?

  101. MMD
    04/14/2013 at 11:53 am

    Welcome Deborah 🙂 Just jump right in when you have a comment. There aren’t very many people here right now, but when it gets hopping it’s fast and furious, especially during court. There are people here from all over the world. Robert is in Holland, Syn and Essem in OZ, Laine in the UK although the majority are from North America and we watch it on the live stream.

    So all ya have to do is if you see something you want to reply to, hit the reply button and post. If you want to quote, do the same however if there are more than 2 quotes you’ll end up in moderation which we try not to do to our awesome host donchais. She’s also our den mother and keeps us in line.

    It’s really a good place to discuss the case as we try to get Justice for Travis and the Alexander family. We may disagree with each other, but everyone is ALWAYS very respectful!!! If you’re not, we’ll all come down on you like a ton of bricks. There are people here of all ages, races, creeds, backgrounds, education, life experiences, etc. so everyone has something to contribute.

    So jump in an enjoy!!! Bear in mind though, that I’ve had dibs on Juan Martinez for a very, very long time as everyone knows!!!!! 🙂

  102. 04/14/2013 at 12:00 pm

    SYNTARA!!! I’ve got another little theory that I posted a long time back in ref: 2 Quotes #25-31.
    Jodi has persisted in the rope story and Travis cutting it up for ties with that knife as we know parts of JA’s story is true and I have wondered ,”Did this rope exist? Was it used to put around his torso to pull/drag him down the hallway back to the shower stall? This would be a good reason to take it and dispose of it due to the dna/blood on it. No matter how enraged or how much adrenalin is pulsing through her body could she really have carried him without the aid of something? Just an old thought….

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 12:15 pm

      Afternoon TW. I think the rope existed but only in the imagination of JA. Bear in mind that JA had been working out, add adrenaline plus the rage and fury that had been building and I totally believe that she was able to drag him, especially since he had probably bled out by then.

      • 04/14/2013 at 12:30 pm

        I guess I just didn’t want to think of the fact he had bled out!!!!

    • Laine
      04/14/2013 at 12:27 pm

      Also Trial Watcher, HLN did a reenactment of this with a woman approx same size and height of JA and a dummy same weight as Travis…without adrenalin and rage and this woman was able to drage the dummy back and push him in the shower, although it was exhausting for her she COULD do it, if you then add adrenalin and fear and rage I think it absolutely possible JA could do it. I also believe because we know she threw water over the floor this could have been used to slide the body also. If you look at the pic that captures her dragging the body there is no hint of rope this I believe as MMD was just an excuse to bring the knife into the frame of a coincedental waepon….Just my thoughts…

      • Laine
        04/14/2013 at 12:30 pm

        Sorry typed so fast my fingers made errors 🙂 *drag
        also I believe she brought the knife, her predisposition for using a knife to slash tyres suggest she carried one with her…

      • 04/14/2013 at 12:39 pm

        Hi Laine
        I missed this reenactment on HLNtv but I keep thinking of myself being as i’m Jodi’s size and my man is 190 and I CAN”T imagine being able to drag him around but then again I’m not insane……..LOL When did they say the thing about the water being thrown around the floor? I missed that too. WTH have I been? I really don’t know what I’d do without all of u smart insightful folks. TY TY TY!

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/14/2013 at 12:42 pm

        I think the wobo added the rope because she had to account for a knife in the BR/bath area. As she “polished” her story, she added to it. The Dodgy Doc’s notes said that she had her “arms and legs” tied. I can imagine Elmer drooling while he wrote the notes and wobo egging him on.

        But as the trial approached, “all” the pieces had to fit together and being “untied” and where the ropes were tethered, added confusion to the mix, so she went for the “arms”–somehow “tied” around the headboard of the sleighbed frame.

        Th little ‘tassels’ or small fibers in evidencecame from one of the pillows described inhis room, imo.

      • 04/14/2013 at 12:47 pm

        YES U R correct Laine about Jodi having a thing for keeping a knife close at hand. Who the h-ll carries 2 big butcher knives with them in their car? I wonder what Jodi had in her plans before she got arrested.?
        My biggest desire is that the Alexanders could find out the truth of that day but that’s a lost hope. No matter what happens to this murderer she will NEVER tell the truth!!!

  103. Jay
    04/14/2013 at 12:19 pm

    Crystal Harris :
    This is my husband’s personality. Very passive aggressive. He was never screaming, yelling, raging. When he threatened to kill me, it was always very calmly and deliberately, which actually scared me more.
    The psychologist who evaluated him and did MMPI test on him told me my ex is more like a cobra than a bulldog, and that in his experience the cobras are more lethal. And when they are violent or acting out criminally, their pulse goes down, their blood pressure lowers, etc…

    Took me a while this morning to see this: now I no longer watch the Sunday morning news interview shows but read the nitetime posts, so many it took two cups of coffee — And Crystal, your husband is Arias’ doppelgänger. The passive-aggressiveness explains her journal entries: no bark in the writing, but cold angry bite in her mind. And a cobra-like lethal strike after sex with Travis, cold and controlled when she killed him. That explains a sticking-point I had understanding the murder: I wondered how her rage could explode so suddenly and commit such a vicious attack after photographing him in the shower. Now I see it differently: a cold rage, sudden and controlled.

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 12:22 pm

      Morning Jay 🙂

      • Jay
        04/14/2013 at 1:07 pm

        Hi MMD — sorry took so long to see this, was ‘out there’ in google space seeing if I could find out if the ALV segment would be televised.. Nobody has an answer to that I could find. I hope it’s televised.. really like to see her squirm!

    • Crystal Harris
      04/14/2013 at 1:33 pm

      Hi Jay. Glad you saw this. Yes, I do see lots of similarities between JA and my ex. Another one is that my ex is well-spoken and very respectful in the way he speaks (in public). He just doesn’t have an old-style stereotypical persona or style of a lethal abuser. But I was so glad that the highly experienced court-appointed (in other words…not my hired gun) evaluator had him totally pegged.

  104. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/14/2013 at 12:34 pm

    . You have such a warm way of expressing inclusion to everyone. I do believe you are a very wise lady!!! ;~)
    Also thanks for all your info you post on here. I said before and will reiterate, you are a ‘gem’.

    Just checking the sandbox, near 6pm which is 9am in Arizona. See what the off days do to us? We are in the rhythm of the trial. I can’t believe I’m looking forward to the hearing on Monday morning–I’m assuming it’ll be live -just to be back on the job!

    Didn’t want too much time to pass before seconding Vickee’s compliment to MMD.Always making people feel at ease, a great laugher when the chips are flying, and a generous sharer of mind and heart.
    And, as we all know, has long time first dibs on double -O-Juan. But, as my wife has more than once suggested, she might be getting competition from more places than she ‘d normally imagine.

    • Laine
      04/14/2013 at 12:37 pm

      Seconedid!! MMD is always warm and welcoming of everyone Luv ya honey! 🙂

      • Laine
        04/14/2013 at 12:39 pm

        Awww man!! I did it again!! *secondid! note to self read comments before hitting the post button!!! 😛

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/14/2013 at 12:44 pm

        (great minds think alike, thats all)

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 12:44 pm

        Awe (blush) you guys are too funny! 🙂 I know Robert, what on earth would we do without this site on the weekend. Donchais truly does provide such a public service keeping us off the streets and out of trouble 😉

    • NancyB
      04/14/2013 at 5:01 pm

      So glad Robert that you posted Vickee’s comment as I had missed it – still trying to read and catch up. It truly does describe our MMD!! Hey MMD, when you were sick for those 3 days or so, were you ever able to totally catch up or did you just dive back in? Missing a day and half of court testimony that thankfully I was later able to view on youtube has thrown me behind in reading all the wonderful comments. Oh well. Hey Robert, you a real gem yourself.:)

  105. 04/14/2013 at 12:35 pm

    Hey Deborah, welcome.

  106. 04/14/2013 at 12:38 pm

    Morning all.

    • Laine
      04/14/2013 at 12:41 pm

      Morning BB…Seems we are all having withdrawal pangs today, it’s awful that I wish my weekends away so quickly now! 😦

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 12:55 pm

        Laine – no lie!!! The weekend that the clocks went ahead an hour, I switched mine on Saturday morning instead of Sunday to make Monday come faster!!! I think that was the WOBO was on the stand. 😉

      • Laine
        04/14/2013 at 1:28 pm

        Hahaha…I didn’t think to do that!! I just suffered the extra hour Doh!!! It’s just mad that instead of enjoying my weekend now I just wish it away…especially when Juan is up! My kids think I am a very sad ‘old girl…as is their nickname for me…lol 🙂

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 12:45 pm

      Morning bubble 🙂

  107. 04/14/2013 at 12:45 pm

    Yeah, I find myslef in the down time watching Lohr’s clips of Jaun in action on youtube.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/14/2013 at 12:54 pm

      hahaha loved the expressuion “down time” its like football players who watch tapes all week, and then,, home on the day off, they grab another tape to watch the practice session again!
      I feel your pain.

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 12:58 pm

        And now it’s gonna be even longer tomorrow if court doesn’t start until 1:30 AZ time, if at all since the jurors were told to make sure to be by their phones. I hope the hearing in the morning will be televised but I doubt if it will. 😦

  108. MMD
    04/14/2013 at 12:52 pm

    I watched an episode of L&O:SVU last night called “Born Psychopath and it was like totally watching a miniature, male version of JA. It was about a 10 year old boy and so much was like her – even right down to the fake crying but then when no one could see, the blank stare. Totally creeped me out. B.D. Wong made a rare appearance to “test” him (something ALV and Dr. Quack are unfamiliar with) and even though it is rare to make that call on someone that young, did it anyway!!! He tested way off the charts. I hate to think what JA was like as a child – truly scary!!!!!!

    • 04/14/2013 at 1:13 pm

      I viewed that show last week MMD and I thought of JA as well. He was such a good little actor. Mommy I love you…pulls a knife on her. The show was pretty frank about the inability to rehab but he needed care in an institution for the protection of others.

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 1:53 pm

        It was from last week Lisa but I watched it on demand. Wasn’t the look in his eyes when his father had him in his arms at the end truly scary and so like JA!!!!!

  109. Anniefreeze
    04/14/2013 at 12:58 pm

    Trial watcher :
    SYNTARA!!! I’ve got another little theory that I posted a long time back in ref: 2 Quotes #25-31.
    Jodi has persisted in the rope story and Travis cutting it up for ties with that knife as we know parts of JA’s story is true and I have wondered ,”Did this rope exist? Was it used to put around his torso to pull/drag him down the hallway back to the shower stall? This would be a good reason to take it and dispose of it due to the dna/blood on it. No matter how enraged or how much adrenalin is pulsing through her body could she really have carried him without the aid of something? Just an old thought….

  110. MMD
    04/14/2013 at 1:03 pm

    Robert in Rotterdam :
    . I can imagine Elmer drooling while he wrote the notes and wobo egging him on.
    </blockquote
    ROFL Robert – ya do have a way with words darlin' 🙂

  111. MMD
    04/14/2013 at 1:06 pm

    Maybe I need a nap! Something to pass the afternoon since I can’t seem to get interested in anything but this trial 😦

  112. NancyB
    04/14/2013 at 1:08 pm

    Found this AWESOME and hilarious letter to Ms. La La

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHl1myTCIAAw_04.jpg:large

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/14/2013 at 1:12 pm

      ROFLAO!!! what a great piece and such a good idea since hundreds were panning her with a 1 star and bitching; this is so funny and so right on, I’d have to say, BBTGAD!

    • 04/14/2013 at 1:25 pm

      I like the reviews – like this one – that are thoughtful and truthful – without bullying her. This one and another one I read (recently) were very well done and get the point across.

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 1:45 pm

      Morning Nancy – Well I think that is a comment that we all can agree adds to the convo about her book because the writer speaks of ALV’s truth, sadly!!!!! ROFL 🙂

    • Tracey A
      04/14/2013 at 6:41 pm

      LMAO! I just caught this while trying to catch up!! This is hilarious!

  113. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/14/2013 at 1:08 pm

    MMD, one of those episodes had a little of 10 or 12 girl who killed another boy she didn’t like. She told the court that she put batteries into his mouth, because she thought he would come alive again and she said she saw that happen on TV. At the end, you see that she knew the whole “battery in the mouth” was an ex post facto ‘defense’ since she didn’t like the kid and didnt want to admit she killed him cause she didn;t like him.
    Does sound like a younger version of wobo , also!

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 1:48 pm

      Scary isn’t it since these scripts are “torn from the headlines”. 😦 As donchais says,”sometimes there are monsters walking amongst us”

  114. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/14/2013 at 1:11 pm

    Anniefreeze :
    Regarding la book: I saw this comment on amazon, it was too good to not share, it says it all.
    824 of 882 people found the following review helpful
    This Professor Says…Don’t Waste Your Money, April 5, 2013
    By LifeProf
    This review is from: It Could Happen To Anyone: Why Battered Women Stay (Paperback)
    As a professor, author, and researcher in intimate relationships and sexuality, I feel qualified to assess LaViolette’s book.
    While some of her discussions are accurate, the difficulty lies in the fact that her thoughts and ideas are left over from the 1970s and are from a radical feminism framework (which is fine for those who adhere to that ideology); in full disclosure, ethical researchers and scholars typically discuss their paradigm (bias), but LaViolette does not. This is important to note, because the radical feminist framework always holds the male accountable for the violence, and holds women innocent; this is in direct contrast with what current research studies indicate. While empirical evidence does indicate that women are typically the victims and men are the perpetrators, this is NOT ALWAYS the case. LaViolette’s book fails to note that men are battered, too.
    Other problems exist in the research cited in the book–most of her research is QUITE antiquated, dating back as far as the 1950s. This is unfortunate as it does not truly represent what we know about Intimate Partner Violence (IPV) and Domestic Violence (DV) in our culture today; the research is not current, it is not relevant, and it is NOT representative of the landscape of IPV. Furthermore, LaViolette’s interpretation of some of the benchmark studies is skewed. I suspect this is due, in part, to her lack of research experience. After all, she is a clinician, not a researcher. This is evident in her writings.
    I knew of LaViolette’s work prior to the now-famous murder trial of Travis Alexander and because of her lack of research knowledge chose not to cite her in any of my books. Now that I have watched her testify and have seen how she grossly misrepresents Walker’s Cycle of Abuse, I question her knowledge of IPV and DV and her relevancy in today’s culture.

    HAH! Even we old hens had this old gasbag’s number! We told you she was a reject from the 60’s and 70’s! She thinks in reverse!! We may not be all up on the technology of today, but at least our brains moved forward with our old bodies into the future! Thanks for sharing Anniefreeze! Woo Hoo!!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/14/2013 at 1:23 pm

      Hey Hens!…I mean Ladies…remember I was with you on this march! I tagged her as a Kate Millet reader from 1972 who never advanced beyond the notion that men hurt women.Ergo men=bad and women =good.
      She says she – unlike “Mr. Martinez who sees good and bad, black and white,”; she “sees gray.”
      Yup.she sees the damp and rotting covers of paperback books she had in school, and THEY have gotten mouldy and gray, therefore SHE will reprsent their silent victim voice. She is “whats that new word, you use, for victim, that new word, that’s in vogue now?”Oh rrriiiiiiightt.
      “survivor”. She’s a “survivor” from the 1970s! She knows!

      • Jay
        04/14/2013 at 1:39 pm

        Hey Hens, and Roosters (those in Rotterdam :)) I was talking about that ‘radical feminist framework’ too, stating I thought a core reason for her testimony on Arias’ behalf was to perpetuate those views, as an antidote to multiple criticisms she and others like her were receiving from others, like the professor quoted above.

        Studies over the past decade indicate women are just as likely to initiate violence as men. And both sexes are adept at precipitating physical aggression in each other. Of course that doesn’t make it right, but certainly mitigating circumstances and levels of annoyance have to be considered before labeling one or the other as the main perpetrator.

        Case in point:

        Wonder what ALV would have made of that?

  115. Laine
    04/14/2013 at 1:23 pm

    Trial watcher :YES U R correct Laine about Jodi having a thing for keeping a knife close at hand. Who the h-ll carries 2 big butcher knives with them in their car? I wonder what Jodi had in her plans before she got arrested.?My biggest desire is that the Alexanders could find out the truth of that day but that’s a lost hope. No matter what happens to this murderer she will NEVER tell the truth!!!

    I agree I don’t think we will ever know for sure what happened, she will never disclose it entirely and I think thats what drives us all to try to make sense of it by portraying the versions we believe happened. If you look at the crime scene pics you will see the glass on the body and if you look at the shots of a box of copy paper you will see that there is dilitued blood creeping up the sides. The forensic expert testified this was due to water being thrown on the floor diluting the blood in an attempt to clean the scene.

  116. Jay
    04/14/2013 at 1:23 pm

    It is Sunday, so I’d like to offer a prayer of thanks — to whoever invented the DVR. If it wasn’t for that device, I wouldn’t be able to get anything done during trial time. And of course, it saves my sanity, being able to record portions of the live testimony from HLNtv and then fast forwarding past Nancy Grace’s shrieks of commentary to the streaming video (the only thing Arias has said/done during the trial I agree with was stating the middle finger was for NG, who, next to Dr. Phil, is the most annoying person on TV).

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/14/2013 at 1:33 pm

      I’d like to offer TWO prayers of thanks for 1) the interenet and 2) You-Tube.
      No TV gasbags. Unedited and raw. No commercials. Do your own thinking.

      OK, now that I think about it – THREE prayers. Thank you G-d for giving those of us
      without the “trained brain” of LaLa, at least enough not to need either TV or LaLa.

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 1:40 pm

        I’d like to add a couple of prayers as well:

        1. for our awesome host donchais
        2. for CiCi’s Circle – they’re the fun ones here on the blog – the heart and soul of the group and I want to join 🙂

    • Crystal Harris
      04/14/2013 at 1:49 pm

      Is it weird that I’ve come to like Nancy Grace? She must know she is a caricature of her own self, and even that has become almost endearing to me. I like the “unleash the lawyers”, and how she denigrates any atty who says something totally lame. I like her finger in her ear saying, “Liz, take us back to court.” And no matter what you think of her, I do believe she is an advocate for victims. At the end of the day, she is a member of the media. And her job is to obtain and retain viewers above all. But within that framework, I believe her heart is in a good place. I haven’t always thought this, and I think she is super corny, but she has simply grown on me.

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 2:01 pm

        No it’s not weird darlin’ that she has grown on you, however, if she does start to grow on me I figure it will be in fungus form. 😉 She was totally different off the air and behind the scenes at DWTS – always laughing and fun loving. She and the rest of the dancers had great fun together and whenever she passed ahem (to put it politely) gas, she blamed it on her adorable partner Trisdan. 🙂

      • Jay
        04/14/2013 at 2:51 pm

        Crystal, you are one of my favorite commentators here, thoughtful and incisive, but I have to disagree with your positive assessments of NG.

        She may be a victim’s advocate, but she’s intellectually dishonest, distorts facts on air, makes ridiculous unfounded assertions, is disrespectful to guests who often aren’t disagreeing with her but only clarifying legal points, and overall comes across as someone who needs a good kick in the butt.

        Her abrasiveness and legal conduct was twice cited by the Supreme Court of Georgia, for disregarding “the notions of due process and fairness” and was deemed “inexcusable.” That case was declared a mistrial because of her conduct, the defendant subsequently going free because there wasn’t time to retry him without prejudicing his right to a fair trial.. In the other trial cited she was accused of playing fast and loose with her ethical responsibilities in a triple murder trial, the court concluding she “knowingly used false testimony from a detective” and failed to “fulfill her responsibilities” as a prosecutor.

        From my perspective,she fulfills the definition of ‘narcissist’ to a ‘t’ — Her broadcasting life has been controversial as well. Although often on the the right side of cases, she more often screws up and makes unfounded charges against innocent people, as in the 2002 Elizabeth Smart kidnapping, where she wrongly and repeatedly repeated on TV that suspect Richard Ricci was guilty, without having any evidence to back that up. She continued to hound him on air though he had died while in custody. When other individuals were revealed as having committed the kidnapping she refused to apologize, coming up with the kinds of rationalizations a self-serving narcissistic personality would employ. I think she made other similar over-the-top broadcastings in another kidnap case too, falsely accusing a different suspect with unfounded accusations. She also took a pro-prosecution stance on the Duke lacrosse case rape allegations, and when it was shown the charges of rape were made up, Grace took a power from her show rather than face criticisms from viewers. She never apologized about that either.

        Overall she’s a jerk. (there’s a lot more negative stuff about her on Wikipedia). And whenever I see that smug puss of hers on the screen my thumb goes to the fast-forward button on the remote.

      • NancyB
        04/14/2013 at 3:54 pm

        MMD – She was great on DWTS! The time I really loved her on TV was during the OJ trial. She was part of a nightly panel of mostly defense attorneys. It was her very 1st TV gig and she was a voraciously outspoken advocate for victims. I watched her show on HLN when it first began and liked her show. Overtime, it devolved in a significant way and I quit watching until the CA trial, when I briefly tuned in and now I watch it occasionally. When Jean C. hosts in Nancy G’s place I have to immediately turn it off. She changes from one side to the next moment to moment and I can’t stand her. I’ll say this about NancyG. If I were a victim’s family and trying to get air time for my missing/murdered child or family member I would be grateful that her show is there – heavy melodrama and all.

      • Crystal Harris
        04/14/2013 at 5:41 pm

        First of all, Jay, thank you. 🙂
        And second of all, since I’m somewhat new to Nancy Grace, I will keep all of what you’ve said in mind…especially the Duke Lacrosse case. I followed that closely all along and it was so obvious that was all about politics. Mike Nifong was an evil man, not to mention the horrible liar of a woman, of course.

  117. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/14/2013 at 1:30 pm

    Priscilla :
    I come to this site every day to de-stress and feel like I am in the presence of a great circle of individuals who share my views and also have some hilarious things to share. Thanks so much for all that you do. I have only posted a comment one other time but I want to throw in my “2 cents’” today and see if anyone has any other thoughts on this. Since the defense is so hell bent on getting a mistrial I have really been worrying about the testimony scheduled for Monday with Grace Wong. From what I understand she is a producer at InSession. I am thinking that this has to to with the Mistrial motion brought about because of the autograph signings by my hero Juanwonderful. When Jean Cesarez was on the stand she was asked by Nurmi if she had ever viewed any other videos of him exiting the courthouse by the front door. She testified that she had not and that it was not her job to track and review videos. Nurmi said that he was going to get the video and present it to the court. I am hoping that that is all this is and that Ms. Wong will just be there to present the video and maybe testify that InSession has no other videos that show any interaction that might be deemed inappropriate. Then the judge can finally rule on the mistrial request which, to me, is pathetic. Hopefully, she will see it the same way. Anybody have any other thoughts on this ? Thanks again for being here. I was “displaced” (a fancy term used by employers for laid off LOL) and was extremely depressed until I read about this trial now I thank the Lord every night that I am still alive and surrounded by a loving family. The only problem is that I am supposed to be looking for a job but the trial is conuming me !!!!

    Hi Priscilla! We old hens pop in and out as we have access to a computer and like us you’ll find that there are many people here from all walks of life and have had their own struggles. It’s like a giant salad bar…..a little bit of this and a little bit of that…..and you mix it up with whatever works for you. Welcome to the craziness of this trial! Everyone is united in one cause and that is JUSTICE FOR TRAVIS so don’t be afraid to add your insight!

    We are hoping that Channel 12 has offered up their full version of the interview with JM (not really an interview just a walk to his office) because the Reporter indicated that JM said, “no comment” and the Reporter respected that. He was just walking to his office that day and the Reporter walked with him, however that Nurm the “Wurm” once again is choosing to present ONLY what fits his needs….just as the expert witnesses he hired….and look what it got them!! We can see the Judge’s (as well as the Jury’s) annoyance with the DT as they continue to slow down the trial. We really don’t think this is going anywhere…..again!

    • Crystal Harris
      04/14/2013 at 1:52 pm

      Also, I forgot to mention in my previous reply to this subject, Priscilla, that Juan is allowed to walk out the main entrance if he so desires. The Defense is so grasping at straws, it’s pathetic.

    • Priscilla
      04/14/2013 at 3:07 pm

      Thanks, Ci Ci’s Circle, I love being part of the salad bar !!!!! And I have been called an old hen more times than I care to admit so I feel like I totally belong here. Can I be the bacon bits ?

      • Tracey A
        04/14/2013 at 8:20 pm

        LOL! Bacon bits…HA!

  118. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/14/2013 at 1:39 pm

    Laine :

    Trial watcher :YES U R correct Laine about Jodi having a thing for keeping a knife close at hand. Who the h-ll carries 2 big butcher knives with them in their car? I wonder what Jodi had in her plans before she got arrested.?My biggest desire is that the Alexanders could find out the truth of that day but that’s a lost hope. No matter what happens to this murderer she will NEVER tell the truth!!!

    I agree I don’t think we will ever know for sure what happened, she will never disclose it entirely and I think thats what drives us all to try to make sense of it by portraying the versions we believe happened. If you look at the crime scene pics you will see the glass on the body and if you look at the shots of a box of copy paper you will see that there is dilitued blood creeping up the sides. The forensic expert testified this was due to water being thrown on the floor diluting the blood in an attempt to clean the scene.

    True…..no one will ever know the truth…..even JA!! In her warped mind she has probably embellished the killing so much that eventually she will not even be able to know what is truth and what is a lie. She has truly woven a tangled web in her distorted memory to suit her sick mind!

    • Laine
      04/14/2013 at 2:15 pm

      I agree ladies, I think her warped sense of self has already justified it and put it in an embellished box in her mind with her as the heroine and winner.
      One of the strangest parts of the trial for me was when Juan put the pic up of Travis Post Mortem with his throat spread wide. Her face was so strange, her eyes bulged and her mouth dropped she looked fascinated. Truly scary all the other pics she fakes crying and looks away but this one she just stared at…made me feel sick.

  119. MMD
    04/14/2013 at 1:54 pm

    Where is Observer these days? I have an LDS question for her.

  120. Anniefreeze
    04/14/2013 at 1:55 pm

    Greetings, m&mpants, liane, Robert, buttster, trial watcher, priscella, Debora, MMD, hj, Vicki, mark, sandbox (love that). Sorry if I missed anyone.

    IMO, rope was NOT used as you mentioned above, there was no rope. Knives that were in JA car were reportedly owned by mr. Brewer, she was merely just returning them to him. I’m not sure if I believe that. If those knives were not legitimately Darryl’s then she likely stole them from a restaurant she worked in. Was she going to go kill people who disparaged her? A murdering rampage, we will never know, but facts point to that hypothesis.

    Re: Unidentified photo that shows part of a baseboard, after the murder was in progress. i have not heard anyone mention this before, but do you think is was a duffle bag of some kind? Perhaps this is the knife, gun, spare clothes, kill kit bag? The void of blood in hall shows clean up. Instead of carrying all the blood soaked and dripping cleanup towels to washer, she put the majority of them in this kill bad to dispose of, maybe to burn in dessert? Who knew how many towels Travis really owned? ( No one knows how many towels I own but me! Even Hubby would have NO clue). Jodi was asked WHEN she took her luggage out of the house, she made up foggy excuses, I don’t remember. I think this was on the prosecutions radar. With all due respect, Remember this was a ‘wam bam kill the man’ speedy event. No time to fiddle with ropes and dragging implements.

    The black socks she was wearing shows premeditation. WHO in the world would wear black socks in 100 degree weather, NOBODY. Also, No woman travels with black socks in hot AZ, especially a vain woman who gets her nails done. I think she put Travis’s socks on before the photo shoot not to leave toe prints. Evidence showed in court a pair of black socks in the washer with the camera. The other clothes that were in the washer were probably what he was wearing before jumping in the shower, they were likely on bathroom floor before killing.
    She cleaned up as much as she could putting the items that were not dripping with blood in the washer. Her duffle bag was probably already full…otherwise she should have just stuffed everything in the duffle. Sorry for blabbering and typos on for so long….thanks everyone for your brilliant input, you all inspire so many.

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 2:07 pm

      Missed us eh!!! Figured we were more fun than yard work 🙂

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/14/2013 at 2:33 pm

      I love the black socks observation and context. I’m not sure I see a duffel bag but that idea also appeals to me–that she’d throw stuff in a bag. The reason she deleted the pictures, imo, was because she knew that it was a new camera and it missing might be remarked upon when they inventory the crime scene.. She didn’t want the “intruders” to take only his new camera , it would stand out as silly, butchered over a freakin’ camera?
      I keep thinking, but for the palm print on the wall and the recovered pictures, she’d be cruising for the next sucker.

    • Tracey A
      04/14/2013 at 8:18 pm

      LOL!!! You aren’t blabbering on and we all understand “fluent” typonese. I’m trying to think if I even own a pair of black socks. If I do, I would NEVER be wearing them in the heat of the AZ desert…ever!

      Signed, M&M pants! 😀

  121. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/14/2013 at 1:56 pm

    Laine :
    Also Trial Watcher, HLN did a reenactment of this with a woman approx same size and height of JA and a dummy same weight as Travis…without adrenalin and rage and this woman was able to drage the dummy back and push him in the shower, although it was exhausting for her she COULD do it, if you then add adrenalin and fear and rage I think it absolutely possible JA could do it. I also believe because we know she threw water over the floor this could have been used to slide the body also. If you look at the pic that captures her dragging the body there is no hint of rope this I believe as MMD was just an excuse to bring the knife into the frame of a coincedental waepon….Just my thoughts…

    And don’t forget….she TOLD Travis in that tape that she had been jogging lately (when she returned to Yreka) and running so fast and far that she would be so out of breath but never perspired. She was discussing this on the tape to compare to him saying how much he perspired and was worn out after one of their sexual encounters. So for whatever reason (premeditation??) she was getting into shape!

  122. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/14/2013 at 2:16 pm

    Jay :m
    Hey Hens, and Roosters (those in Rotterdam ) I was talking about that ‘radical feminist framework’ too, stating I thought a core reason for her testimony on Arias’ behalf was to perpetuate those views,

    Jay! You are not forgotten in the brownie point basket. However, you did perk up quite a bit after LaLa startred, no? You are clear as glass on the issue, just a teeny weeny bit late to the ‘gotcha’ group. Hang in there 🙂

    • Jay
      04/14/2013 at 2:59 pm

      better late than never! 🙂
      Yes, I only lurked before LaLa testimony, then thought it better to comment then punch my computer monitor or tv screen…

  123. 04/14/2013 at 2:22 pm

    Yeah, I find it hard to believe she thew the camera away on purpose. Seems to me she would keep those pictures as souveniers.

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 2:31 pm

      She couldn’t take it with her since it was brand new and a friend of TA helped him pick it out. She also claimed that “she helped pick it out over the phone” so it would be really obvious if the camera was the only thing missing, since she was NOT supposed to be there. After all, she considered herself such a superior photographer!!! LOL

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/14/2013 at 2:38 pm

      I think she meant to leave it there and deleted the pictures before doing so. My guess is that it got mixed up with the sheets and stuff while she was hurrying to get out of there. I can’t see even her logic in putting the thing in the washer That seems accidental. But, I guess we always come back to, who knows?

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 2:43 pm

        I’ve always thought that it got mixed up with the sheets but since then I’m on the fence because she could have figured that once deleted, plus all the bleach would get rid of everything. Still on the fence on that one cause my mind doesn’t work the way hers does, thankfully!!!

      • NancyB
        04/14/2013 at 4:04 pm

        I used to think that the camera got mixed up in all the sheets during her frenzied slaughter but I no longer believe that. She took the time to do 5 step deletes of each picture so that proves purposeful action. I now believe that the camera was covered in blood (hers and his) and her fingerprints and so she figured that the wash spin cycles would destroy the blood and prints and that’s why she dumped it into the washing machine on purpose.

  124. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/14/2013 at 2:25 pm

    btw, someone I can;t recall – but sure it was a female member of the playground- made the point that wobo will be so jealous of the States Dr. because she will see what she herself is not.
    I just saw a picture of Dr DeMarte! Great! She is what wobo could have been if she didn;t think she knew it all,and if she could get past her “wonders” and her obsession to grasp unto a man rather than develop within herself. She thinks she’s a wise ass sending out tweets, but I can hardly wait to hear the doctor- a better looking brunette than wobo and close in age -analyze and make assesments of the little tweeter in jail. Nancy Grace shouldn’t give her the finger back; she should wiggle her pinky and say” see missy,where a good looking woman who really has brains ends up?? Judging you, einstein. Hahahaha

  125. 04/14/2013 at 2:29 pm

    Maybe she had her own camera she tooks pictures of the aftermath with. Because the memory card was seperate from the camera in the washer

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 2:35 pm

      I thought that the memory card was still in the camera in the washer and that’s what saved it? I think she thought she had it covered when she deleted the photos. Correct me if I’m wrong. She said she had 2 cameras of her own there, but who know?????

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/14/2013 at 2:39 pm

        thats my understanding also. I never heard that the memory card was separate.

    • NancyB
      04/14/2013 at 4:09 pm

      She claimed that her own cameras – 2 of them- she left in her car because Travis had a new camera they wanted to try out. It will be interesting to see what the state’s IT specialist has to say about her cameras’ memory cards and her laptop and the so-called defunct hard drive that was found in her storage locker.

  126. 04/14/2013 at 2:39 pm

    MMD, I’m going off the evidence photes, the memory card was blue and detached, lying in the water of the laundry machine…

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 2:45 pm

      Maybe it was another memory card, one of hers maybe. I can’t see a memory card surviving all that bleach but I HAVE been known to be wrong before 😦

  127. 04/14/2013 at 2:44 pm

    Good morning, afternoon or evening to all. I am so grateful for this forum. I used to love weekends and I now find myself yearning for Mondays and re entry into Juanderland. So thanks to all of you who contribute with both info and humor. Now I’m off to delve into all the new posts.. 😉

    • Tracey A
      04/14/2013 at 5:45 pm

      Hiya Deco! Welcome to the nuthouse. I, too, used to love weekends. Now I dread them and Fridays when court is typically dark (although we had testimony last Fri and this coming Fri I believe. YAY). Glad to “meet’cha”! 🙂

  128. MMD
    04/14/2013 at 2:47 pm

    Hello Deco since it’s late afternoon where I am, and welcome. I wasn’t on when everyone was greeting you! 🙂

    • 04/14/2013 at 2:56 pm

      Thanks, MMD… I’m glad you’re here because I have a simple question. I have no clue what WOBO stands for. Can you fill me in? It’s driving me nuts.

      • Crystal Harris
        04/14/2013 at 5:52 pm

        Seems MMD hasn’t gotten to answer this for you yet. WOBO means “Whore of Babbling On” (and on and on), a play on ‘Babylon’. I do forget who came up with it, but someone in this forum did so.

      • TexiBelle
        04/14/2013 at 6:14 pm

        Whore of Babble-On. Greatest acronym ever.

  129. MMD
    04/14/2013 at 2:55 pm

    Robert in Rotterdam :
    I keep thinking, but for the palm print on the wall and the recovered pictures, she’d be cruising for the next sucker.

    Ya know Robert, I can’t get the thought out of my head that she has killed before and I’m NOT talking about the dog!!!!! Something in my gut and it’s usually pretty reliable!

    • Jay
      04/14/2013 at 3:03 pm

      Not with a gun, for sure..

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 3:06 pm

        I think that’s a given 😉

      • NancyB
        04/14/2013 at 4:12 pm

        Would not surprise me in the least. She says that she kicked the dog, that the dog didn’t even whimper, suuure, and that they never saw DoggyBoy again. That does not make sense at all.

    • Anna
      04/14/2013 at 3:24 pm

      I think she could have got off but for those photos. The hand print could fit with her ninja story. I just can’t believe she ever meant to leave that camera behind. That was a major trophy. I think it may have gotten wrapped up in clothing and she didn’t notice it as she dumped everything in to the washer. I mean, she was obviously not in control of it for some time while Travis’ camera kept taking critical photos for him.

      • 04/14/2013 at 3:37 pm

        I mentioned yesterday that it was always in the back of my mind that the camera was tossed in the washer accidentally . That she scooped it up unknowingly with the sheets and clothes. I know it would look odd if it was missing but that wouldn’t necessarily point to Jodi would it? And when she was beings interviewed didnt she request to see the crime scene photos? That led me to think she would have wanted to hold on to the camera and photos. At least the memory card.

      • Anna
        04/14/2013 at 4:00 pm

        Yes Deco and hi! hodi at first looked petrified and then so curious to see which photos the detective might have…gross, skin-crawl moment. Anyway, I just love, love the irony that a photographer gets busted by her own photographs!

      • Crystal Harris
        04/14/2013 at 6:01 pm

        One thing I noticed about Jodi during the police interrogation video was that she was wholly convinced that she was 100% covered for an explanation as to her DNA, fingerprints, hair being present at Travis’ home. I really think Einstein Jodi thought she had not a thing to worry about in that department given she used to live there and used to clean his home.
        Jodi’s problem is she knows just a small amount about topics..,just enough to make her ignorant because she can’t acknowledge that she doesn’t know what she doesn’t know. Intelligent people know they don’t know everything and are always thirsting for more knowledge. Ignorant people think they know everything.

      • Anonymous
        04/14/2013 at 7:15 pm

        I couldn’t agree with you more if I even tried, Crystal!

      • Anna
        04/14/2013 at 7:17 pm

        I couldn’t agree more with you if I even tried, Crystal!

    • Crystal Harris
      04/14/2013 at 5:54 pm

      Chris Stark on Twitter swears the same thing on her gut.

  130. 04/14/2013 at 2:57 pm

    Hey yall, I’m gonna try something, for some reason, interest, I guess. But I’m interested to know where we’re all from.

    I’m John/Bubblebutts, from Tennessee, where’re you from?

    • Priscilla
      04/14/2013 at 3:30 pm

      Hey, bubblebutts, I’m Priscilla from Florida. Great to meet ya !!

    • Jay
      04/14/2013 at 3:39 pm

      LaLa Land (no, not LaViiolette’s part of it), near Griffith Park Observatory where you can see stars (including James Dean’s bust) without banging your head against a wall.

    • 04/14/2013 at 4:05 pm

      Hi BB~ Central California

    • Laine
      04/14/2013 at 4:10 pm

      Kent, UK Known as the Garden of England…

    • 04/14/2013 at 4:44 pm

      Adelaide, South Australia 😎

      • Douglme
        04/14/2013 at 4:55 pm

        White Rock, BC Canada

    • Tracey A
      04/14/2013 at 5:23 pm

      LaLa Land here too. Arcadia, CA

    • Crystal Harris
      04/14/2013 at 6:03 pm

      I’m Crystal Harris from Carlsbad, CA…just north of San Diego. And I’m not the same Crystal Harris that just married Hugh Hefner (gag)! 🙂

    • TexiBelle
      04/14/2013 at 6:16 pm

      Lauren from Texas, now in Chicago. Nice to meet everyone!

    • GN5020
      04/14/2013 at 7:19 pm

      Hey BB. I’m Gayle from Georgia. I laughed so hard over your “roast beef curtains” comment the other day, that I spewed coffee all over my keyboard.

  131. 04/14/2013 at 3:04 pm

    WOBO Whore of Babble On

    • 04/14/2013 at 3:29 pm

      Bubble,
      Lol.. Thanks for both the laugh and for the info.
      Ft. Lauderdale.

  132. MMD
    04/14/2013 at 3:05 pm

    bubblebutts :
    MMD, I’m going off the evidence photes, the memory card was blue and detached, lying in the water of the laundry machine…

    Bubble – do ya have a link to the photo. Now you have me really curious!!!!! 🙂

  133. Anna
    04/14/2013 at 3:10 pm

    Hey, why am I Tonto now?? What the heck’s been going on around here? Mommy, I think they stole my bucket & shovel while I was gone. 😦

    Anyway, I was just sittin’ back watchin’ Sunday at the Masters, and I thought of you (little did I know, right), so popping in to say “HI!” I miss you guys so much. 🙂 I hope everyone is doing as well as they can given this crazy world we live in. Just one funny (or maybe not) I thought of: when I first heard the word “Havasupai” I thought they were saying “have a soup, aye” like it was some sort of pirate-themed Mormon party or something…I’d never heard of the place but it sure looks purty. Cheers Kemosabes! (that’s my sum total knowledge of the sidekick…so the thing may end here)

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 3:14 pm

      Hi Anna – How ARE you??????????

      • Anna
        04/14/2013 at 3:17 pm

        Hi MMD!! please “call” me after you watch the movie, if you recover, that is…beware of all liquids, etc, etc, etc…for the ENTIRE DURATION of the fun! You so made my day with that. Luv ya female! 🙂

      • MMD
        04/14/2013 at 3:18 pm

        Yep, gonna arrive on Monday. Ordered just cause you told me I had to!!! 🙂

    • 04/14/2013 at 4:00 pm

      Anna I am also watching the Masters and trying to read the posts. No wonder I get lost. Anyway I love, love your humor and if that is you all the time lucky are those that are by your side!!!

      • Anna
        04/14/2013 at 4:06 pm

        I love you forever, Vickee 🙂

    • Laine
      04/14/2013 at 4:14 pm

      Hey Anna! Hope your weekends been good! and I confess…never heard of have a soup aye either 😛

      • Anna
        04/14/2013 at 4:19 pm

        Hi Laine!!! Are we even ready for another week of this? YES! cuz it’s about to get really good, hopefully soon! We can do this (she tells herself). But seriously, this trial has now become so cathartic because of all my life nonsense that I can’t wait for the final chapters to play out….AYE!

    • Tracey A
      04/14/2013 at 4:43 pm

      LMAO! ‘have a soup, aye’ That never occurred to me probably because I’m familiar with Havasupai. Used to water ski on Lake Havasu (locals refer to it as Lake “Have a few”) way back in the day.

      • Anna
        04/14/2013 at 5:08 pm

        Oh that’s cool.I don’t function with boards attached to my feet, sliding down a very slippery surface, I learned as a teen. So, how about ‘have a few pie’?

    • Crystal Harris
      04/14/2013 at 6:07 pm

      There’s a Lake Havasu off the Colorado River. I assume Havasupei is some Indian Reservation nearby.

  134. 04/14/2013 at 3:11 pm

    MMD, gimme a min

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 3:17 pm

      TY darlin’ 🙂

  135. Anna
    04/14/2013 at 3:33 pm

    Jim :
    <—- born and raised in Texas….

    I knew I liked you for a reason! 🙂

  136. Mojo
    04/14/2013 at 3:49 pm

    Imaginary questioning of Alyce LaViolet

    JM. “Would it surprise you that Travis had a ver close friend who was a convicted felon?”
    AL  “No, I saw patterns of a double life and integrity displayed to the outside world yet he was duplicitous and had a secret life.”
    JM “Would it surprise you that Travis had a friend willing to forge documents that would slander another person to get Travis out of some trouble?”
    AL “No, Travis was capable of doing many things that were cruel and selfish displaying his anger and rage.”
    JM “Would it surprise you that Travis had a friend the was convicted of conspiracy and was trying to speak up for Travis and portray him as a good, caring person?”
    AL ” No, Travis has shown a pattern of using people and inappropriate behavior it makes perfect sense to me that he would have these types of friends.”
    JM “Would you assess Travis as manipulative based on these type of relationships and activities?”
    AL “Oh yes indeed.”
    JM “So this would confirm for you that Travis was manipulative and an untrustworthy person?”
    AL “Yes.”
    JM ” Well the ‘friends’ described ‘ARE’ actually friends of Miss Arias.” “Do you still insist that Miss Arias is not to be considered a manipulative person?”
    AL “Ah, ah well I never saw anything like this, I see her as so likable and believable.”
    JM “Do you believe Miss Arias manipulated you?”
    AL ” No, blah blah blah.”
    JM “Your honor I move to impeach this witness and all testimony to be ignored and expunged from the record.”
    Judge “No you may not approach the bench. Motion granted, Ms LaViolet you are excused for the remainder of the trial. However I want to see you tomorrow morning at 8:00am in my chambers. (there will be a sanction given your inappropriate contact with the victim’s family, no spoken but everyone knows) Jury please disregard all testimony from Ms L.”
    Boom done!

  137. 04/14/2013 at 3:58 pm

    MMD still looking. But I had to post this thought as I just was looking at a close-up of the casing on top of the blood. And please everybody take a breath…….I am of the opinion he was stabbed first in the chest, which has been my opinion since the revelation of the casing landing On Top of the blood. Syn’s well thought depiction aligns with mine.

    But this is what troubles me. Assuming Travis was taking a warm shower: the tiles in his bathroom would be moist. But even if they weren’t. in 62 seconds, or maybe some time later, that blood would still be moist. The picture of the round on top of coagulated blood doesn’t make sense. It was pristine. True that the blood would have set in in the five days before discovery, if it was found where it was ejected during the murder. But,

    If the bullet came last, then it came in the time span of sixty seconds. There is no way the blood from the attack would have been dry enough to coagulate at that point. There was no testimony, to my recollection, that any microscopic “crowning” splatter was on the casing, caused when the shell landed in wet blood. In fact I’m not aware of any testimony that there was “wet” blood on the bottom of the casing. I hope I’m wrong.

    My belief is that it was inadvertantly kicked there by one of the discovering parties, or Arias herself. I don’t think she would have left that thing behind if she had seen in out in the open as it was in the photgraph.

    I’d like to add that I do believe we’ll know exactly what happened that day. Once the spotlight moves away, and has been gone for some time, and the reality of life begind bars sinks in, she’ll embrace the spotlight once again, with the hopes that her lizard-like portraits would finally see the attention they deserve if she cops to being the one of most notorius killers in the world.

    • 04/14/2013 at 4:14 pm

      yeah there is Bubble… listen to that part again.. Im 99% sure the testimony is it was stuck in the blood.. held in place. So it landed on wet blood and dried there. Feel free to check it, but I’m sure that’s what I heard her say when Juan asked.

    • NancyB
      04/14/2013 at 4:35 pm

      Bubble – love all your comments – look at the picture where Travis is sitting down. The water is turned OFF. Those pictures of the congealed blood with the bullet casing lying on top – and with the top of the casing pristine and not a speck of blood on it – were taken by the forensic team on the night of June 9th as you stated above.

      When she slit his throat she perforated not just the jugular vein (which is a big sucker) but the carotid artery , which is also a huge vessel. Huge. The only vessel in the body that is larger is the superior vena cava, that she transected with the stabbing through the pericardial sac to the heart and at the same time nicked the lung. BUT, the SVC is a vein not an artery.

      I have observed numerous times in years past working in ER’s & Trauma Centers, people bleeding out and the flow and consistency of the blood that pumps out under pressure from an artery is like day and night from the bleeding out from a large major vein. He was definitely throwing clots from the perforation of the carotid artery. Most unfortunately and horrifically I personally very recently observed this happen to my dearest husband when a physician refused to listen to me and use ultrasound to aid the placement of a central line placement. He insisted that it was not necessary and perforated Dale’s Rt. carotid artery. It was a living nightmare that I don’t think I will ever totally recover from. I didn’t mean to bring this up here but it is very much on mind every day as he only died a few months ago. On his death certificate #1 is listed this incompetent Dr’s perforation of Dale’s carotid artery. If you ever personally see such a thing you would immediately understand the total difference in the color, consistency, pumping action vs flow when a major artery is transected. The forensic specialist made a point of stating in court testimony that the bullet casing lay where it landed at the time that she took the shot.

      • 04/14/2013 at 4:54 pm

        Nancy, I’m so sorry to hear about your husband and his sudden and tragic death. I couldn’t tell by your comments that you had gone thru such a trauma; you don’t let your pain show. You sound like a remarkable woman who is very intelligent and I appreciate your sharing your personal experiences to help us understand what may have happened to Travis. I also happen to agree with you; are you a nurse or doctor? My prayer for you is that you will be able to push past the nightmare and find peace in thoughts of happier times with your beloved Dale.

      • Tracey A
        04/14/2013 at 4:59 pm

        OMG! Nancy. I’m so very sorry about your husband. I was going to reply in a totally different manner until I read the bottom.

        But please just let me state that your medical knowledge and background is VERY much appreciated here and especially re: the spent shell casing. I’m been thinking that but couldn’t find a way to verbalize what you you just did here. That pool of blood has been disturbing to me…

      • 04/14/2013 at 5:19 pm

        Nancy, I a, so very sorry to hear of your loss and the suffering you must have experienced.

      • sndlywhplsh
        04/14/2013 at 5:29 pm

        Nancy, don’t know you and I’m hardly a regular here (“Yes Mr. Martinez, that means I’m irregular.”) But your story makes me sad. I’ve only lost one person very close to me, and that was hard enough, even though all the healthcare people involved were great. Can’t begin to imagine how much worse it would have been if a medical mistake had been made, or if the death had been accompanied by what must have been horrific, indelible images. I hope overall the days are getting progressively easier for you and that you have plenty of support.

      • Crystal Harris
        04/14/2013 at 6:17 pm

        NancyB- I’m so sorry you had to endure this. How are you holding up at this point? Of course, going just by comments on a blog forum thread, you seem amazingly put together and I am impressed. But that can quite easily mask what may really be going on…so I just want to say that I sincerely hope you have the support you need after such an event.

      • TexiBelle
        04/14/2013 at 6:24 pm

        My condolences on your loss Nancy. Thanks for your contributions, both scientific and personal.

      • donchais
        04/14/2013 at 6:30 pm

        Major {{{{ }}}}

      • Anna
        04/14/2013 at 7:46 pm

        There are so many strong people here, I believe. You are one of them. I can’t imagine being a witness, especially knowing what you know. I have a severe white-coat phobia so that sends me out of my skin. My deepest sympathy.

    • TexiBelle
      04/14/2013 at 6:21 pm

      I’m convinced she’ll want to take the spotlight again sometime after her conviction, but I really think it will be to tell yet another story. It will be “now I can tell you what REALLY happened…” but it will just be another bunch of lies. She’ll never hold herself accountable.

  138. 04/14/2013 at 4:03 pm

    As If the trial wasn’t bizarre enough after Dr Samuels visit. Next up we had the somewhat lauded Domestic violence ‘expert’ Alyce LaViolette who quickly became known as Alice in Wonderland and over the ensuing seemingly endless days of her testimony was less affectionately labeled La Toilette with most praying for an imminent flush.

    La Toilette’s reputation had been built on decades of devotion to the cause of “Battered Women” yet her never ending dribble sounded more like a recitation of experience displayed in her Curriculum Vitae and this went on for days. $ days to be exact.

    Listening to her and Perky Wilmott exchange giggles and smiles in the never ending world of La Toilettes “This is What I’ve done for the last 30 years” was nothing less than mind numbing torture.

    If that wasn’t enough Perky lead her through this monotonous trip down memory lane by posing the question in such an obviously coaxing manner La Toilette merely rephrased it and expounded on it with chat show like vigor. A truly giddying display of unprofessionalism from both parties…..and it went on… and on… and on… Watching grass grow would have been riveting by comparison.

    La Toilette seemed to think she was on a housewives guest speaker circuit instead of fulfilling her role as qualified forensic criminal court witness.

    Worse still after days of playing chat show host and guest, Perky and La Toilette suddenly decided it was time for the shockingly groundless character assassination of the atrocious crime’s victim. Travis Alexander became the focal point of what appeared to be a life long hatred of men and a blatantly obvious “buy your witnesses testimony” scheme.

    As members of the Alexander family sat sobbing in the gallery, heartless Toilette called him the perpetrator, accused him of paedophilia and offered him up as an extreme perpetrator of high intensity domestic abuse based on nothing more than some misinterpreted electronic communications and the words of a proven pathological liar.

    If this wasn’t bad enough, La Toilette ended her testimony on cross with jury submitted questions, by refusing to accept she could have been swayed by a manipulating liar and were she convinced of it anytime after the trial it would still not change her opinion.

    The kicker though, and yes there still is one, is that in the final minutes of her testimony Juan Martinez the prosecutor, proved not 2 hours earlier she had lied to the jurors and judge.

    A juror question was read by Judge Stephens that inquired into the number of criminal trials La Toilette testified on behalf of a male. La Toilette pondered this question for quite some time even counting on her fingers! She finally decided that it must be eerr 1 or ummm 2 ……but she’d have to check her CV for anything more precise than this vague and rather suspicious answer.

    Juan Martinez, obviously taking his cue from this, followed up by asking her to supply case names. At first she tried to dodge the question by claiming it was privileged information. Utter nonsense of course, Mr Martinez quickly pointed this out by asking “So you could not tell anyone you testified here for Miss Arias?”.

    Perky, like a neurotic jack in the box that wouldn’t stay down, interjected incessantly. The judge trying to force her back in her box at times seemed to be losing patience.

    Finally La Toilette was forced to admit she had never testified on behalf of a male in criminal court in her life!

    La Toilette you were just flushed.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/14/2013 at 4:22 pm

      Wow. Just popped in and got a beaut on LaGasbag. Thanks

      • NancyB
        04/14/2013 at 4:45 pm

        LOL! I especially liked the following: “Next up we had the somewhat lauded Domestic violence ‘expert’ Alyce LaViolette who quickly became known as Alice in Wonderland and over the ensuing seemingly endless days of her testimony was less affectionately labeled La Toilette with most praying for an imminent flush.” Laughing so much!!! You know, I wish that the editor that created ‘The Never Ending Answer’ video of JA would create a La La version. I have never seen 2 people that could not stop talking on and on and on….while testifying in a court room. Syn, I am totally convinced that La Toilette is a flaming narcissist. What do you think?

    • Tracey A
      04/14/2013 at 4:34 pm

      LOL! Another stunning recap. Sing it, it Sister!

    • Jay
      04/14/2013 at 5:01 pm

      If you’re not writing professionally you should be.

      • Jay
        04/14/2013 at 5:05 pm

        The neurotic Jack in the Box image is still popping up in my mind.

    • Laine
      04/14/2013 at 5:02 pm

      Awesome summary honey! Just love your recaps sets me up ready for the next instalment!! 🙂

    • Chrissie A
      04/14/2013 at 6:35 pm

      Wondeful as per sweetpea!!

      A part of me knows that Dr. Loo has been completely thrown under the bus by the defense,
      but her defiance toward Juan is completely unprofessional and biased, which, in effect, counteracts the latter.

      Knowing she is being called to court again, (which will be Monday or Tuesday, that is of course depending on the outcome of her E.R. visits over this weekend) got me thinking.

      I remember the Judge saying to her that it will “concern something that we have previously discussed”, leads me to either the witness tampering, (approaching Sam in the courtroom) or something to do with her qualifications. I’ve just scanned her CV again and see nothing listed in regards to her testifying anywhere, let alone in a high profile criminal case. This explains, her lack of finesse and blatant disrespect regarding court procedure.

      CV: http://www.alycelaviolette.com/Alyce-LaViolette-cv.pdf

      Dr. Kristina Randle has a great article on on Dr. Loo’s unprofessional behavior, plus some insightful information on a senior producer for Jane Velez- Mitchell’s HLN news program and Dr Loo’s “Complete row of supporters in court”
      http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-is-alyce-laviolettes-behavior-unprofessional/

      Just throwing this in the mix, and I course I can’t leave out a new video by our friends over at ZappTV:

      • Crystal Harris
        04/14/2013 at 7:48 pm

        I’m still resentfully and angry at how much the media gushed and raved at ALV’s resume prior to and at the beginning of her testimony. The line was that she was impenetrable; and the jurors just loved her style of anecdotal testimony, yada yada. Gag me. I know it’s the media’s job to keep viewers interested (like a close football game), but I can’t stand it when they are so transparently wrong. By the way, I never watch TV normally, but am watching HLN for the trial, because of this pervasive problem with the media.

      • Chrissie A
        04/14/2013 at 8:16 pm

        Hi Crystal, I never bought her CV for a moment! Especially looking at the fact that 11 or so called experts had already turned the defense down. The media are doing the usual spin now and defending her! How they can State that she is a victim of “cyberhate” that is rubbish, this trial has incensed so many DV victims and survivors that they have indeed woken a sleeping giant. But they will not mention that! They are siding with the underdog in this instance for ratings only. It just infuriates me that this woman, will do more harm than good to DV victims. I won’t watch regular TV, don’t like the talking heads or their fantasies – What I do see from the mainstream media I view online 🙂 Sorry if I sound rantish, It’s not directed at you personally ~hugs~

  139. Anna
    04/14/2013 at 4:15 pm

    sorry, couldn’t find a separate link so posting whole thing from the Justice4Travis facebook page:

    WOW Breaking NEWS:
    Jeannie Dalrymple posted to Alyce Laviolette is WRONG
    20 minutes ago • [ed. note: now 12 hours ago]

    I wrote an e-mail to Corporate Alliance to end Partner Violence regarding my concerns about Alyce LaViolette and learned that they have cut ties with her, and she is no longer part of their organization!

    If you want confirmation of this, I will forward you the e-mail I received from them.

    Here is the letter I wrote:

    To: caepv@caepv.org
    Subject: Alyce LaViolette

    I am just wondering how your organization can align itself with Alyce LaViolette in light of her recent unprofessional and biased testimony in the Jodi Arias trial.

    It is one thing to testify for the defense; I don’t have a problem with that. The problem I have is that she has absolutely TRASHED the real victim in this case, Travis Alexander. She never met Mr. Alexander or talked with his family or friends. She took the word of an admitted liar and cherry-picked e-mail texts and messages out of context and labeled him a perpetrator! She explained away any of Ms. Arias’ behavior as “to be expected” because she is a “victim” yet any of Travis’ words are considered to be “evidence” to her that he was an abuser. She repeatedly referred to Mr. Alexander as a “liar” because he told family and friends he was a virgin even though he was sexually active, yet said that Ms. Arias was NOT a liar, even though she has lied repeatedly for nearly five years, and gave two different stories about what had happened to the victim before coming up with her “domestic abuse/self-defense” story once her defense attorneys got involved.

    How does Ms. LaViolette sleep at night? Watching the Alexander family suffer in court due to Ms. LaViolette’s completely unwarranted character assassination of the ONLY victim in this crime is heart-wrenching, and it keeps ME up at night. I wonder if Ms. LaViolette has any more of a conscience than Ms. Arias.

    Ms. LaViolette’s testimony will make it much harder in the future for REAL victims of domestic violence to ever be believed in court. She has betrayed the very people she claimed to care about and devote her life to.

    How do you align yourselves with a woman who has turned her back on true victims of domestic violence and murdered the victim once again in court? Is this what your organization stands for?

    Here is the response I received from:

    “Thank you for your email. Alyce LaViolette is no longer affiliated with our organization.”

    • Tracey A
      04/14/2013 at 4:25 pm

      Hey! Anna Banana is back! 😀 Where you been Girl?? Missed ya! How ya feelin?? Still reading your post though…

    • Tracey A
      04/14/2013 at 4:28 pm

      Wow! Anna! Great find…that’ll give me a much needed spring in my step and I plod through the posts.

    • NancyB
      04/14/2013 at 4:47 pm

      Terrific find Anna! I love your stream of consciousness posts. They make me laugh a lot, which is such a good thing! This is amazingly fine news!

      • Anna
        04/14/2013 at 5:54 pm

        Hi NancyB!!! I don’t think Aunt Bea Ess is having a nice weekend. Did she seriously think all would be swell with that load-o-crap? I swear there’s some serious screws a missing in that female’s brain. I think that because I can’t believe anyone could do what she did. But maybe she’s just a dirt bag dressed like your crazy aunt….? Cheers! See ya round bend 🙂

    • Crystal Harris
      04/14/2013 at 6:22 pm

      Let’s just hope it’s lasting and real. We’ve seen before that sometimes when the heat is really on, “ties will be cut” so as to appease the masses of angry people; but once it all cools down and attention is diverted elsewhere, the organization quietly re-hires ALV and all is as it once was.

      • Anna
        04/14/2013 at 7:26 pm

        omg, Crystal Harris, all my pretty-colored balloons suddenly popped at once! Your insight is incredible. I had not thought of THAT whole nasty possibility. Maybe that’s why her smile can’t die. YUCK! Man, how I’d like to meet you and shake your hand. I mean really, can you come over for dinner tonite? My Dad 2.0 (father-in-law from England, i.e. a prince) is in town and we’re gonna have a good ole feast. 🙂 {{{hugs always}}}

        Must add a thanksuu Aunt Spittle for her aid to the prosecution’s case. Sad we all had to go thru that but I’ll hold out hope (wait, my glass needs re-filling, brb…..ok) that idiots might be less inclined to do this until at least, as you say, “attention is diverted elsewhere.”

    • Chrissie A
      04/14/2013 at 6:40 pm

      Hi Anna! I saw a link to that earlier on the Twit and it was removed – She is still listed on their website under – Individual Contributors to CAEPV:
      http://caepv.org/about/members.php

      • Anna
        04/14/2013 at 7:31 pm

        Hi Chrissie, please excuse me while I retch at that news….*crosses eyes, hard to type* Are you saying the whole thing was bogus?

      • Chrissie A
        04/14/2013 at 7:48 pm

        Not sure honey, but seeing that the link was removed and that they still have her listed on the website, I just question the original messenger, not you 🙂

      • Crystal Harris
        04/14/2013 at 7:52 pm

        Anna- I’d be honored to meet all of you. Someone mentioned a while back planning some sort of meet-up after the trial. Who knows? 🙂
        And I forget, where are you? Reminder, I’m in San Diego.

      • Chrissie A
        04/14/2013 at 8:18 pm

        I’m in San Diego too Crystal, I think you are N. & I am S.

      • Crystal Harris
        04/14/2013 at 7:54 pm

        Anna, I’ve been a die-hard political and news junkie for 25 yrs (and I’m only 40yrs old). So I’ve seen it all as far as the media goes.

  140. 04/14/2013 at 4:15 pm

    Syn, love it.

    • 04/14/2013 at 4:17 pm

      ty 🙂

  141. 04/14/2013 at 4:16 pm

    gotta run, popped in to post an article I just finished. feel free to comment….see yas all l8r!

    ***waves***

    • Anna
      04/14/2013 at 4:21 pm

      bye bye syn!! hope to see ya tomorrow….sweet dreams only friend. I seriously have to tell you something sometime.

      • 04/14/2013 at 5:28 pm

        Great find Anna,, better news, maybe more will follow suit. And Syn.. Another wonderful post. Thank you both .

    • Chrissie A
      04/14/2013 at 6:42 pm

      Replied to you but in mod – sorry I missed yer!! Bye Sweetpea ~hugs~

  142. Tracey A
    04/14/2013 at 4:22 pm

    Afternoon all – “Miss M&M Pants” checking in here (thanks for branding me Syn 😀 but I wear it proudly). Gotta get caught up (as usual) but as I scanned I see some great stuff upstairs.

    Just a note on a recurring topic: There are times it gets very fast and furious in here, especially when we are listening to live testimony. During those times I note that many of us don’t respond directly to each other, we just wanna post what crosses our minds (Ex: huge amounts of fodder to comment on during ALV and Dr. Do Little’s testiphony). And when we get a break or a recess I have blast going back to see how very like minded we are. I’ve found on numerous occasions that, at the same EXACT time, several people have actually commented the EXACT same thing that I did. That’s what seems to unite us; well that, and our mutual desire to seek justice for Travis and his family.

    But it really does make me sad when I see that some may feel left out or ignored. I feel safe in stating for many of us here, it is NOT personal or intentional. There are many times that the subject matter gets very deep and focused. Many on this site share and/or have had very tragic and similar life experiences happen to them. When the topic turns in this manner, I just sit back and read. Sometimes it hits close to home but most often not. But I appreciate that this site allows people to feel safe in discussing and sharing very personal experiences. I look at it as kind of a group therapy session…join in if you want to or not.

    Once a previous thread is closed I find that only occasionally do I go back to check on certain comments. I know I have missed out on things directed at me but that’s the nature of this “beast”. Once I go back, then I’m missing out on today’s current postings. It just becomes overwhelming at times to deal with (not to mention I know I miss out on some really great laughs which I so look forward to).

    So to the newbies I have yet to “meet”, Welcome! 🙂 But please don’t be shy about diving right on in. It’s a wonderful site and you’ll gain a lot of insight and I guarantee some much needed laughter. Thanks again, Donchais, for bringing a great group of people together. Well done!

    *****stepping off the soapbox now and dreading how much more I have to get caught up on…heavy sigh***

    • LindaLou
      04/14/2013 at 4:38 pm

      Well said Tracey! Agree with you 100%. I was out a lot yesterday and just got caught up and now have to get dinner on. Where did the day go. Well at least it’s closer to tomorrow.

      Great comments everybody and welcome to Deco, Priscilla and Deborah.

      Donchais, thanks so much for this site and all that you do! It’s very much appreciated!

    • Anna
      04/14/2013 at 4:43 pm

      Trace! (you can explain M&M Pants later I guess?) You took these words out of my mouth, “group therapy session.” And remember…IT’S FREE! 🙂

      Heya anyway. Superior post and you very much spoke for me there. Everyone out there listen [cue sarcasm]: it’s not that we don’t like you, it’s just that we don’t want to talk to you. JUST KIDDING OUT THERE FOLKS!!! Go with the flow and eventually I’ll find you and comment back. So now you can shed that other emotion and just be afraid of me…heheheh…JUST KIDDING AGAIN…somebody tell them that’s what I do…ack, please don’t let me make things worse. I love everybody except the crazy ones!!!

      • Tracey A
        04/14/2013 at 4:49 pm

        To all of you out there. Anna is CRAZY! That’s why we love her! Just wait till she gits on a rant…let the hilarity ensue! 😀

        I called Syn MissSmartypants during a debate on Smarties vs M&M’s (won’t rehash that one again) and she returned by calling me Miss M&M pants. Apparently (much to my chagin :)) it stuck (like a friggin’ brand or a drunken tattoo). So I just say WTH…I’ll own it!!! 😀

      • Anna
        04/14/2013 at 4:55 pm

        thank you for restoring my ability to ROTF and LOL chica!! However, and I now aver, I am NOT owning Tonto. And don’t know that man…a sidekick? moi? i think not. If there’s something wrong in Denmark, I gotta say it. Is Tonto even fluid in English???

    • Chrissie A
      04/14/2013 at 6:45 pm

      I’m sticking with D&R Trace, plus I’m always ignored 😦

      • Tracey A
        04/14/2013 at 7:00 pm

        Well well well…look who popped in! Well you are the “expurt” at D&R (hooray! we have a new abbreviation)!! 😀

        Yeah right…ignored. Who’re you trying to kid???

        BTW – Hope you have a great Birthday!!! {{{{{hugs}}}}}} 🙂

      • Chrissie A
        04/14/2013 at 7:09 pm

        Hi and thanks honey! Have reminded Hubs, (and now you) that it is a weeklong event 😛

      • Anna
        04/14/2013 at 7:34 pm

        Happy B’day Chrissie! {{{hands gift of Corgi puppy}}}

      • Chrissie A
        04/14/2013 at 7:50 pm

        Thanks Anna, Twas yesterday but I’m dragging it out as usual – hah! ooooooo a pup and a Corgi to boot – that is a lovely prezzie! Luvnhugz xox

  143. 04/14/2013 at 4:31 pm

    Hey yall, I was wrong about the memory card. It looks like it’s in a clear evidence bag. Sorry.

    http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/01/03/jodi-arias-evidence-photos-nancy-grace-mysteries-day-4

    • MMD
      04/14/2013 at 4:50 pm

      Not to worry bubble – we all have read and heard so much info that at times it’s hard to keep it all straight! 🙂 I appreciate you looking. Even looking through the HLN photos pissed me off cause they have an ad every 4th photo that you have to close out. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

      BTW, the memory card in photo #25 if anyone wants to see it.

  144. JesusFreak
    04/14/2013 at 4:38 pm

    Hi, sorry i haven’t been part of the family lately, called in to work yesterday. i am trying desperately to catch up on my reading. I wanted to come down and say welcome any and all newbies.,
    Loved ‘Alice in Juanderland’, The Never ending Story, Oh Crap, the synopsis Syntara gave on EQ, others as well. One of my favorites was when you, Syntara, gave a BLOW by blow description of how the murder could have gone down. Yes, i realize Blow could be construed two different ways.
    My favorite part of the whole blog thing is how I feel when I want to talk about something and find none of my blood family is willing. My biggest love is Jesus and I have found outlets for Him, and on this blog you have all given me outlets for the emotions I have that are close to the surface about the horrendous behavior the awful ja has displayed.
    The murder of ta was so horrible. One of you, maybe Commerce1, mentioned sociopaths only cry, etc, when caught publically and embarrassed. We saw that reaction when The Juanster asked Jodi if she cried when she. was stabbing ta. I do think if I had done a horrible crime like this, I would not be anything but repentent, atleast on the outside. She, miss einstein, has smirked, drawn, tweeted and managed to tell her lawyers what to do, oh and flip off Nancy grace. do u believe that one? sure, she was mad at someone in court, probably Samuels.
    Enuff, i will stop and read some more, This was just to say I am with u all. I feel your pain about the trial and personal things u have allowed us to see. I am quite grateful most of u r out of the miserable relationships of which u spoke. Love to all.

    • Laine
      04/14/2013 at 4:58 pm

      Hey JF, nice to see you back! I’m guessing you have a lot to catch up on! But good to hear your thoughts and I’m sure many of us here will like you hope that Travis is in the arms of Jesus and at peace. That is what keeps me going, although I’m not a practising christian I still have my own faith in my heart and I’m sure Travis is giving his family the strength they need to see this through to the end.

  145. 04/14/2013 at 4:40 pm

    Jodi Arias Trial: Is LaViolette’s Behavior Unprofessional? http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-is-alyce-laviolettes-behavior-unprofessional/

    • Tracey A
      04/14/2013 at 5:17 pm

      Awesome post Kristina! 100% agree with your assessment.

      And your comment about ALV’s elementary school reunion being held in the courthouse cafeteria has me in stitches! (I tried to c&p but won’t come through). 😀

    • Laine
      04/14/2013 at 5:31 pm

      As always Kristina an insightful look at what many of us probably would not have picked up on. We were so busy looking and listening to the trash coming out of her mouth we missed the very obvious….This was great and really brings another dimension of thought into the arena….was this the first crimnal case she has actually testified for… Thanks again 🙂

    • Chrissie A
      04/14/2013 at 6:46 pm

      Great article, just posted it upstairs as well! Tx so much

  146. 04/14/2013 at 4:49 pm

    if i think i’m smarter than arias, does that mean i’m two times smarter than einstein?

  147. sndlywhplsh
    04/14/2013 at 4:52 pm

    I may be the last person to have seen this…. but in case anyone else missed it, here’s a softer-spoken, slightly younger Juan, and another awful Arizona Einstein. Very similar case actually. Wendi Andriano, “Snapped,” season 8, episode 9. You can watch it for a couple bucks on Amazon, maybe find it free elsewhere:

    http://tinyurl.com/czca34k

  148. Douglme
    04/14/2013 at 4:52 pm

    Deco :
    Thanks, MMD… I’m glad you’re here because I have a simple question. I have no clue what WOBO stands for. Can you fill me in? It’s driving me nuts.

    Not sure if anyone has responded but it stands for Whore Of Babble On, forget who started that one?

    • Tracey A
      04/14/2013 at 5:05 pm

      It was Schaeffer who coined that awesome term!!

    • Tracey A
      04/14/2013 at 5:07 pm

      Btw – Hey Mel! How’re you doing? I know I’ve still got some reading to do of your posts upstairs. I’ll get to it…just starting from the bottom this time…hehehe

      • Douglme
        04/14/2013 at 5:39 pm

        Doing well Tracey, got a week holiday this week so hopefully be able to watch the rebuttal without interruptions! Yeah! It is difficult to keep up with all the comments. I get to the bottom and then have to start over to see what I have missed. I think it might have been better before when you commented it copied what you were commenting on and put it at the bottom of the page and then you don’t miss anything. I will adjust…lol!

    • 04/14/2013 at 5:44 pm

      MMD…. Bubble answered upstairs but thanks for taking the time. I tried many variations and it was driving me nuts. Going back and trying to find its origin proved impossible. But now I know and can only say how suitable. It is. Brilliance is displayed on this site on a daily basis and in so many ways.. I love it. It’s a happy place in a way. Justice For Travis Reigns Supreme.

  149. NancyB
    04/14/2013 at 4:54 pm

    truejustice :
    They can appeal all the way up to the supreme court. The first appeal in a dp case is automatic. After that they need to prove basis for appeal and can be turned down. However , there is kind of a run of mill process . See: http://off2dr.com/smf/index.php?topic=8796.0
    IMO It would not be in the best interest to file a civil suit if she is convicted. The girl is broke , she has no assets. Once she is convicted she can no longer earn money from the sale of her artwork etc it’s deemed as illegally profiting from your crime (for the most part). She will make somewhere around 40.00 MAX a month in prison – and only a percentage can be taken for restitution, child support etc.
    Personally I’d rather see them spend their time and resources healing and taking a vacation rather them spending more time in court for no gain. Now there would be a great campaign to start .. like the one for the bullied bus lady.
    Of course my opinion changes completely if the unthinkable happens.

    Thank-you so much for all this information! Law is something like nursing, in that you can specialize in a vast number of areas. What area is your practice in? You have posted many very helpful responses to legal issues and I keep forgetting to tell you how helpful your comments are!

  150. Kristy
    04/14/2013 at 4:54 pm

    I have a question? Could Travis’s sisters be in trouble for witness tampering? I read the Jodi site to see what they post, and this seems to be the latest theory regarding ALV returning. of course, I don’t buy into that. they are so stupid they ask almost everyday why Flores is there, and don’t bother listening to anything regarding how it’s the it works since Flores was the primary cop. I also see no evidence that ALV changed her testiphony one iota due to any potential harassment. I also think it’s pretty stupid to think that jurors care to think about the trial once they are outside of court, they have a life, and shouldn’t be punished by getting sequestered for 4-5 months. That’s like the get jailed and absurd. I think the defense is simply getting more and more afraid. I also wonder if they had dinner out in a very public place that was frequented by news folks monitoring the trial to get attention.

    I am ready and eager for Juan’s rebuttal. The defense knows it’s all downhill from here.

    • Tracey A
      04/14/2013 at 5:04 pm

      Kristy – No way no how on witness tampering. Stay away from the “JA” site. It can cause bleeding from eyes and high blood pressure. It’s not safe to venture into that Never Never Land. I lack the intestinal fortitude to go to that Dark Side.

      • Laine
        04/14/2013 at 5:21 pm

        HAHAHA…Well don Tracey A AKA M&M Pants….so much better put than me!! 😛

    • Laine
      04/14/2013 at 5:17 pm

      Hi Kirsty, I really shouldn’t say this but I’m gonna…..The people (for want of a better word) that subscribe and comment on the JA site are definately not Einsteins….I mean anyone that could believe someone is innocent of murder when that person has confessed to it definately has shit in their eyes and ears! They are not taking notice of the posts as to why Flores is there because it doesn’t fit their agenda…likewise this newest rumour you’re enquiring about the Alexanders tampering with witnesses is again their warped spin on the actual evidence, that AVL approached Samantha, that is illegal and breaches Samantha’s rights and THAT is likely why AVL has to return for another hearing.

      I hope I don’t sound too jaded but quite honestly they are ridiculous and should be treated as such! One of our ladies also commented that the dinner was likely staged for the media and I agree…..
      Anyway welcome!! 🙂

      • Tracey A
        04/14/2013 at 5:29 pm

        LOL! Way better than my reply. Stay jaded…I am! Just like all the idiots at the JA site are jaded. Except our “jaded-ness” is based on fact not fiction! 😀

      • Laine
        04/14/2013 at 5:40 pm

        LOL The whole site and I only visited once! makes me feel physically sick….I mean JODI is INNOCENT….WTF is all that about???? Innocent of stbbing him 29 times?….oh nope she confessed to that….Innocent of slitting his throat from ear to ear?….Oh nope she confessed to that too….Innocent of shooting him?….oh nope confessed to that too…Innocent of Lying in order to get away with it?…Oh nope she confessed to that too!!! Hmmmm Doesn’t leave them with much does it……Bunch of complete idiots looking for a lost cause….hang on!! Yep they found that alright :):):)

      • Kristy
        04/14/2013 at 5:51 pm

        Glad to hear. it. Mostly it’s for giggles. They’ve been in a severe tizzy ever since the juror’s questions. And yes, I know they are Einstein’s like JA is smarter than Einstein.

        I know most of the stuff there if FOS, and spent on explaining why chicks are get this, “jealous” of Jodi’s looks and how smart she is. It’s so hard for me to refrain about my jealousy of being on trial for Murder 1, decent looks, arrogance to think my artwork would be in the same gallery as a Masterpiece (did I forget einstien), and complete underachievement in life.

    • NancyB
      04/14/2013 at 5:35 pm

      The entire Alexander family has been the epitome of class through out the entire trial process. Their in court and out of court demeanor has been exemplary. They have, for the most part, stoically suffered through horrendous and graphic testimony about what this monster did to their beloved brother and they have also had to endure the BS testiphony of JA, Samuels, La Toilette and her debased attorneys’ leading questions.

      This is more than anyone should have to be subjected to but this has been their reality. There is not ANY evidence to support that this family’s actions have been anything but private, above board, circumspect and totally admirable. Anything written on that site is totally without merit and fact. This family has conducted themselves in a stellar fashion and do NOT deserve any further trashing.

      • Laine
        04/14/2013 at 5:42 pm

        Bravo Nancy I could not agee more!!!

      • Lisa M
        04/14/2013 at 5:48 pm

        I, also, couldn’t agree more, Nancy. I know the pain of losing a sibling who died way before her time, and in a tragic manner, but thank God that manner wasn’t murder. So I know that having to lose their brother the way they did and now having to go through this trial, it would only take superhuman strength or God’s help to get them through this. Sometimes imo we do get more than we can bear, and they are proof of that. I don’t want to get all preachy or religion-y but suffice it to say, they are suffering more than any of us can imagine.

      • 04/14/2013 at 7:42 pm

        Well said Nancy!!

    • Anna
      04/14/2013 at 5:43 pm

      You people are making my stomach muscles hurt again…thanks! Kristy…you are very brave, but seriously, if I was a dark side person I might think of attaching something nasty to that site…just sayin’. Do a scan on your pc after you dip into that excrement. Laine: “I hope I don’t sound too jaded” lol I should probably start every post with that line… 🙂

    • 04/14/2013 at 5:50 pm

      Kristy, by all means stay away from JA sites. By all means try to remain in Juanderland. It will be much better for yourself being. 🙂

  151. Tracey A
    04/14/2013 at 5:30 pm

    MMD – You still here, Love????

  152. Lisa M
    04/14/2013 at 5:33 pm

    Jay :
    I seriously doubt you could be in any jeopardy at all for criticizing anyone who agrees to testify in a trial open to the public.

    I know but I just got paranoid because my full name was in the post– guess I never created another name for my Amazon account. You know how political teaching is. The slightest thing on the Internet can be twisted around to make you look bad.

    • Jay
      04/14/2013 at 5:56 pm

      Again, don’t worry about it. I’m not, and I posted there too under my real name.

  153. Lisa M
    04/14/2013 at 5:44 pm

    MMD :
    Well with JM coming up with his rebuttle case and closing, I think that finally we’ll see a case where justice is served.

    Don’t you think MMD that the defense is going to get super desperate from now till the end of the trial and pull some really dirty stuff in an attempt to get a mistrial? I’m worried, I’m sorry, I know I shouldn’t be, but these people are so low, I wouldn’t put anything past them!

  154. JesusFreak
    04/14/2013 at 5:49 pm

    I have missed so many posts, so if this has been explored just tell me. Wasn’t ja a stalker with first beau Bobby. Remember she said, “He would hang up when he discovered it was me”. She went on to sat she had to keep pestering (my words) him to get him to respond to her. Sounds like stalking to me.
    Back to catching up.

    • Lisa M
      04/14/2013 at 6:13 pm

      Yeah, JF, I think you’re right, I do remember that re: her first BF. Hmm, maybe Juan Martinez will weave that into this closing. It does seem significant. She clearly had a pattern of NOT taking a hint, and stalking! She’s so emotionally and socially blind! But that’s why it’s even worse for a so-called expert like LaViolette to support her warped view of reality and/or her out and out lies.

      • Crystal Harris
        04/14/2013 at 6:39 pm

        And Wow…ALV take note…doesn’t JA’s escalation of stalking behavior from her first boyfriend all the way through Travis fit the pattern of a DV Abuser?

    • Chrissie A
      04/14/2013 at 7:06 pm

      Hi Jesus!! Yep, here’s a pic of him. He was allegedly her first backdoor customer:

  155. JesusFreak
    04/14/2013 at 5:51 pm

    Thanks for the kind words above, Laine. This is a diverse website and that helps make it family.

  156. Kristy
    04/14/2013 at 5:54 pm

    What do you all think of ALV saying near the very end of her testiphony that it would be notable for JA to remember the “alleged” violence, and ironically doesn’t remember the murder…. Was that a slip by ALV?

  157. Tracey A
    04/14/2013 at 6:02 pm

    I’ve seen this mentioned several times; I’ve responded to some and others have responded as well but for anyone that missed it…

    WOBO = Whore of Babbling On and on and on.

    And it was the ever awesome Schaeffer who coined that term 😀

    • Lisa M
      04/14/2013 at 6:15 pm

      yeah, the Whore of Babble On. Pure genius!

  158. PK
    04/14/2013 at 6:20 pm

    I won’t be surprised if the wackos on the JA is innocent site claim they won when she is convicted of first degree murder and sentenced to death by lethal injection since she will immediately become a martyr for the card carrying dumb, dumber and dumbest world organization. Fits their skewed reasoning perfectly

    • Lisa M
      04/14/2013 at 6:27 pm

      I’ve never gone on that site. I just don’t even want to see what they write on there. I can only imagine how moronic it is!

      • Crystal Harris
        04/14/2013 at 6:42 pm

        Me neither. I refuse.
        I do “follow” JA on Twitter, but only for whatever insight might possibly be gleaned from here (so far) inane and narcissistic tweets.

      • Crystal Harris
        04/14/2013 at 6:44 pm

        Oh, if anyone wants to follow me on Twitter, I’m @cjharrispretzer. (Pretzer is my maiden name). FYI 🙂

      • Tracey A
        04/14/2013 at 6:47 pm

        Good Girl! The one time I found myself on that site, I had to immediately shower and swab down my laptop with bleach to kill all the “cooties” it became infected with.

    • Tracey A
      04/14/2013 at 6:43 pm

      LOL! So true! That will likely be their spin on a conviction.

  159. Lisa M
    04/14/2013 at 6:22 pm

    Regarding the above conversation, anyone that could accuse the Alexanders of witness tampering or anything other than being the epitome of class, as you noted, Nancy, is not only evil, but is also supremely lacking in human decency. Anyone that would heap more pain on this family than what they are already dealing with is a member of a sub-human species.

    • PK
      04/14/2013 at 6:27 pm

      More like sub-human feces

      • Lisa M
        04/14/2013 at 6:28 pm

        LOL

      • donchais
        04/14/2013 at 6:33 pm

        When I go all wonky, it’s them I go off on, trying to infiltrate and sabotage you great folks and your belief in Justice For Travis and Family!!!!

  160. Lisa M
    04/14/2013 at 6:25 pm

    And a troll, obviously. It just goes to show you that people on that site are getting more desperate now that the case the defense put on completely failed to raise reasonable doubt.

  161. Tracey A
    04/14/2013 at 6:49 pm

    Crystal Harris :
    Oh, if anyone wants to follow me on Twitter, I’m @cjharrispretzer. (Pretzer is my maiden name). FYI

    Aww Geez! I suck at the Twit but am gonna have to give this a try…

  162. 04/14/2013 at 6:50 pm

    http://justdatruth2012.blogspot.com/2013/04/alyce-laviolette-disgrace-to-her.html
    This is another really well-written article. I love reading all of this.

  163. Gracerv7
    04/14/2013 at 7:19 pm

    I have a question…In a post earlier RIR wrote something about 14 unanswered phone calls from jodi to travis. Did she call him 14 times on the way to his house and he not answer? I always figured he knew she was coming and while was not excited, maybe thought, why not? But if she called that many times w no answer it makes me think maybe she did surprise him.

  164. sndlywhplsh
    04/14/2013 at 7:29 pm

    More for a Sunday afternoon. Mostly funny, a little weird, and definitely NSFW.

  165. Laine
    04/14/2013 at 7:35 pm

    Crystal Harris :Oh, if anyone wants to follow me on Twitter, I’m @cjharrispretzer. (Pretzer is my maiden name). FYI

    Found you Crystal and following!

    • Crystal Harris
      04/14/2013 at 8:21 pm

      Thanks, Laine. Following back!
      Nice to put a face with a name, too. 🙂

      • Laine
        04/14/2013 at 8:38 pm

        Right back at ya Crystal! Sorry bout the face though lol! 🙂

      • Crystal Harris
        04/14/2013 at 9:27 pm

        Oh, please! You’re pretty. 🙂

  166. Chrissie A
    04/14/2013 at 7:53 pm
  167. Anna
    04/14/2013 at 8:10 pm

    Crystal Harris :
    Anna- I’d be honored to meet all of you. Someone mentioned a while back planning some sort of meet-up after the trial. Who knows?
    And I forget, where are you? Reminder, I’m in San Diego.

    How gracious you are! Nobody killed that beautiful spirit you maintain, that’s one thing for certain!!! I love the meet-up idea, but I’ve always wanted it to be in Maui! (yes, spoiled brat) Can’t we all bring a civil suit against the beast from Yreka for emotional distress or something, get a bunch of $ and all go? MMD, we’ll all have first class seats!! You can do that.

    • Chrissie A
      04/14/2013 at 8:30 pm

      I’m liking your thinking Anna 😛

    • Laine
      04/14/2013 at 8:41 pm

      I would love that too and I don’t care where it is! I’m happy to travel. It would be amazing to meet up 🙂

  168. 04/14/2013 at 8:14 pm

    Just finished watching trial day 23 and once again after listening to Juan kick the “Crap’ out of Jodi’s BS story that day HTH could any jury find this woman guilty of anything other than !st Degree MURDER? !!!

  169. Anna
    04/14/2013 at 8:45 pm

    Robert, you there still? I’m sure we’re going to have to move to a new playground any minute now and I hate saying anything right before that happens. I’ve already put all my toys in my backpack and I’m just waiting for Mom to call out. 🙂

    • Tracey A
      04/14/2013 at 8:49 pm

      I’ve already put all my toys in my backpack and I’m just waiting for Mom to call out.

      OMG! Where do you come up with this stuff??? 😆

      • Anna
        04/14/2013 at 8:57 pm

        Wish I could tell you it was peyote, but alas, no…. 🙂 omg how is your emoji moving??

  170. Schaeffer
    04/14/2013 at 8:50 pm

    Good Lord — is anyone listening to the radio broadcast live?

    • Anna
      04/14/2013 at 8:58 pm

      sorry, I didn’t have my hearing aid on….what broadcast?

      • Chrissie A
        04/14/2013 at 9:04 pm

        See post #705

  171. 04/14/2013 at 9:04 pm

    MMD :
    It was from last week Lisa but I watched it on demand. Wasn’t the look in his eyes when his father had him in his arms at the end truly scary and so like JA!!!!!

    Yes, really spooky. He is such a good actor. This should be a must see for everyone. So well written with realistic details.

  172. Anna
    04/14/2013 at 9:06 pm

    Chrissie A :
    Thanks Anna, Twas yesterday but I’m dragging it out as usual – hah! ooooooo a pup and a Corgi to boot – that is a lovely prezzie! Luvnhugz xox

    heh. for my 50th this year, I’m dragging it on for an entire year. too many people to celebrate with and life just keeps on happening while I’m f*****g busy trying to make other plans! 🙂 xo

  173. Anna
    04/14/2013 at 9:09 pm

    btw, do y’all keep notes on who’s who here? I haven’t been doing that to date, but now really wish I had just to aid my aging brain and keep up. Too cool for school, i guess….

  174. donchais
    04/14/2013 at 9:26 pm

    You guys are just so cool and the best, luv to all, hugs and kisses for being you…new playground open!!!!

    https://callsforjustice.wordpress.com/2013/04/14/jodi-arias-murder-trial-day-forty-seven-continues-2/#comment-26993

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