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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – Day Forty-Nine


Yesterday was a total waste of time.  Did Nurmi not speak with Grace Wong to ascertain what she would say?  She saw nothing!  The whole photo enhancement was a total joke.  So Mr. Nurmi, the court, prosecution, jury, taxpayers and the public at large thank you for wasting time and money and what could have been a productive day of trial!

Court starts at err, umm, uhh, 10:04…. the defense rests.

Screen shot 2013-04-16 at 1.19.11 PMJuan calls Dr. DeMarte….

Going over her CV.

She has a PhD. and she outlined all that she did during her years of working on her degree.  She performed evaluations along the way.  She waited a year to become licensed by working with more psychologists in a number of fields.  She became licensed in July, 2010.

She supervised behavioral staff of all sorts.  She was in charge of all the training and supervision.  She even taught MA and PhD candidates.

She visited the defendant in jail with another doctor who was shadowing her to learn how to do psychiatric evaluations.

Juan brings up Alyce LaViolette.  She says Alyce has a licence in counseling.  She would be the type of person she would work with.

Also during this time, she not only had a supervisory role, but worked in the treatment aspect with her own patients.  She also conducted forensic evaluation.  She was the lead for all candidates’ cases.

In her evaluations, she is looking for a diagnostic picture.  This is different from treatment where you develop close bonds with the patients. She cannot develop a relationship with those she is evaluating.

He mentions people who sound much like ALV and asks if there is anything that would allow a psychotherapist to go behind the words.

The ‘Secret” came up when treating patients and caused problems in treatment

She did read materials from this case.  DeMarte points out Jodi in court.

She met with Jodi and says over 40 hours (ALV) is extreme.

An hour to 3-4 hours is typical for clinical examination.

44 hours becomes therapeutic or the student didn’t know what they were looking at.

Did you apologize to her for reading her journals?  No, that’s odd to me.

Does that mean being compassion you need to be compassionate is something you were taught?  NO, just the opposite.

She met with Jodi for 12 hours, which she deems high.

She tested after the interview.

Did you go back to meet with her months later?  No.


Jodi doing big job of not looking anywhere but down today!

Do you ever provide gifts to someone you evaluate?  No, that’s unethical.

She read Samuels notes and ALV notes.

Samuels gave Jodi the Erroneous Zones.

She has not provided a book to anybody.  The book could teach them something they didn’t know before and could influence their responses.

This gal is good and very professional! I smell bacon!

So, pretty much we’ve learned (but already knew) Samuels and ALV were both unprofessional and unethical!!!

Very long sidebar after objection by defense….

I’m loving Jodi hiding-out today!Screen shot 2013-04-16 at 1.47.53 PM

Dr. Carp , ‘nother clinician, said Jodi had PTSD after interviewing and testing Jodi based on Jodi being abused.

Carp asked typical test questions and got typical Jodi answers!

DeMarte administered this test twice (back-to-back).  The test referred to fill out as it pertains to the last 6 months of her life.  The second time, she asked her to go to the time with Travis.  The results were pretty much the same.

She followed the protocol Dr. Carp did of the last 6 months of Jodi’s life in jail.

For the 6 months (when she was in jail) she was suffering from depression and anxiety related to being in jail.  For the second test, she had her thing back to January of 2007 when she said he didn’t like some comments she made.  The results were very similar, but at that time, she was also having concerns about her sexual behavior.

She reviewed Samuel’s report on the PDS test (over objections).  Samuels provided her with a bubble sheet (raw data) from the test.

The bubble sheet was filled out by Samuels, not Jodi!  Samuels wrote the answers on a legal pad and transferred the to the bubble sheet.  That leads to human error on transferring the answers.

He administered the test wrong, allowing for human error with his yellow notepad AND he didn’t bother to re-administer the test when he learned that Jodi lied.

DeMarte says the way the test was done invalidates the answers!

DeMarte just indicated her belief that Jodi lied!


Jodi lied about her PTSD trauma as being with Travis…it was somebody else!!!!

Defense doesn’t like “the data was manipulated” which is what Samuels did, or said it didn’t matter if it was!

This is pathetic…Samuels has been totally de-bunked!

DeMarte says that LaViolette’s method changes objective data to subjective data.  Another person could read the context differently.  (Haven’t we been saying that all along?)


Defense is not liking it one bit that Martinez is piece by piece demolishing everything the ALV did.

The subjective approach is very reliable; their subjective approach is so unreliable!

Martinez brings out Exhibit #456 (journal) again and DeMarte states that LaViolette’s opinion is totally subjective and unreliable.

Is this an appropriate approach in a forensic evaluation?  No.

She gave Jodi an IQ test!!!!

Perceptional Reasoning domain (non-verbal)

Working Memory

Short term memory test – did well.

Processing speed:  how fast someone can think.

Jodi scored high, but no Einstein folks, lol!

IQ, 119!  She did well on verbal comprehensive!


Now we move to the Personality MMPI test!

DeMarte says aggrevissiness is a personality trait that develops relatively early as a child.

Jodi exhibited this at a very young age…from toddler years and develops through childhood and becomes much more firm in adulthood.

Ten validity scales, scores above 65 indicate there is something to be looked at again.  In Jodi’s case, 7 of the ten scales were above 65.

This told her that there is a lot of data to look at, lots of personality indicators.  She looked at the top 2 or 3 and was able to come up with personality profile.  Tend to experience a lot of hostility, aggressiveness?  They can usually control them but can have violent outbursts and externalize blame.

Lunch called!

So, Jodi was found to be aggressive, hostile, defensive, they are able to conceal these traits, but not control!

Juan is still talking about the actual opinion that was rendered by Alyce. Dr. DeMarte says, “it’s unreliable”.

Well Jodi and defense team, what do you have to say for yourselves now…hmmm???


BTW, have had horrendous connectivity problems today and best bud, ritanita has been picking up the slack for all of you!  Thanks ritanita!

We start with a sidebar…I am so over sidebars!

Jury in at 1:35.

Oh, borderline personality profile.  Arias appears to be immature.  Parents describe Jodi as being happy as hell in jail.

All indications said borderline personality order.  Instability in relationships…manipulation…immaturity…

This gal so has it nailed!

Jodi showed efforts to avoid real or fear of abandonment.  Jodi was terrified of this.  She wanted to hang on.  She was intrusive by spying on Travis.

Can you say stalking????

Jodi hasn’t looked up once today from her obsessive writing in her ‘composition’ book!

Jody constantly changes her personality to match who she is living with.

Jodi exhibited suicidal behavior in her past.

Word has it, cafeteria served Samuels/LaViolette tempura with sticky rice and dipping sauce…several patrons were rushed to healthcare services and later transferred to local hospital facilities, complaining of massive intake of BS!

After the defense chasing 11 experts to testify, this all now makes sense!

Extremely long sidebar going on…

DeMarte says Arias was Not impulsive = planned the murder!!!

Just who did Samuels and LaViolette interview?

DeMarte prepared a report on Jodi…she typed it and reviewed.  If any errors they would have been hers, no one else!

After all this, and just who is Richard Samuels and Alyce LaViolette???? They should have ridden off into the sunset!

Jodi told her she had a several hour gap with traumatic events in the murder of Travis.  Jodi has inconsistency in her memories.  It was opposite of normal recollection of memories.

DeMarte has done a blockbuster job here today!

This is explosive!!!!

Jodi does not meet criteria of PTSD!!!

Thinking she only had blood on hands at Hoover Dam from her own injury.  She cleaned up at Travis’ house before she left!!!

Afternoon break called…

Good on Dr. DeMarte…she made Jodi out to be the loon she really is…this slaughter was intentional and deliberate…no two ways about it!

Ya gotta know, cross is gonna be a bitch!!! These buttholes will drag it out forever…grrrr!

katiecoolady:  Greetings from my office – stall number 5. All I can say is WOW on this witness- wasn’t feeling well but sooo glad I came- jurors way attentive and lots of notes- them and me!

Back at 3:25…

Jury in at 3:27…

Jodi was never in flight or fight…no memory.

Connectivity is a biatch today!

She’s testifying now about her experience with working with DV!  In Michigan worked at a prison and in Phoenix as well.

Basically, Jodi is not a battered woman!

Jodi changed her story any times!

The inconsistency indicates she was not being truthful!!!

She does not meet battered woman syndrome!

Juan done…omg, omg, omg!

Willmott up…

Do you have your CV up There?  You got your doctorate degree in 1992?  Yes.

Willmott not making any points here.

DeMarte worked with many children, women, and MEN who were abused.

Willmott is trying to make her out as an amateur…this woman has more experience than Willmott will ever have!

Ms. AVL got her masters in 1980…could you have evaluated her?  Where you even born back then?

Hip waders, barf bags and tin foil hats donned here!!!!

Willmott is as total idiot here!

Willmott and Wormi act like such experts and time, and time again come off as idiots!

Judge calls the day at 4:36…tells jury to be back at 9:30am.

  1. MMD
    04/16/2013 at 7:53 pm

    Once again donchais thank you for all the work you do, especially all your snark 🙂 The foil hats, hip waders and barf bags are essential as well. I certainly hope that you are having a better day today than yesterday.

    All I can say is Gidget just wishes she had the brains and the education that Dr. DeMarte has!!!

    {{{{{{hugs}}}}}} off to CNN to watch more of the Boston coverage with Anderson Cooper!

  2. MMD
    04/16/2013 at 8:01 pm


    chris stark ‏@stark3923
    BREAKING PROSECUTION ADDED NEW WITNESS Hollie Guptill Mefford AND Jacob Mefford of Hesperia CA

    chris stark ‏@stark3923
    Jacob Mefford, a friend of Travis Alexander, says he & his wife told Arias that she was no longer welcome in their home

    Renee ‏@neelobo
    @stark3923 Meffords were the ones to bring video of TA talking about being held at gunpoint with several friends in attendance?

    chris stark ‏@stark3923
    @TraceyMullen12 Hollie AND Jacob Mefford
    New Witness ADDED VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRyizXGOgjU … … VIDEO: http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/03/05/new-exclusive-jodi-and-travis-video … … #JodiArias

    • truejustice
      04/17/2013 at 11:04 am


  3. MMD
    04/16/2013 at 8:02 pm

    sorry donchais………….hanging my head in shame…….. 😦

    • donchais
      04/16/2013 at 8:06 pm

      shite happens…no prob, honey!

  4. Laine
    04/16/2013 at 8:07 pm

    Reposting here:

    chris stark @stark3923 2m
    BREAKING PROSECUTION ADDED NEW WITNESS Hollie Guptill Mefford AND Jacob Mefford of Hesperia CA #jodiarias

    Any idea who these are donchais? And thank you for another excellent recap. I have to say I really enjoyed court today. Dr DeMart is not at all intimidated by Wilma, in fact she laughed at her efforts to discredit her! She is confident and intelligent and sure of her assesment. Brilliant witness!

    • donchais
      04/16/2013 at 8:08 pm

      No idea!

    • Laine
      04/16/2013 at 8:09 pm

      Ok just spotted MMD’s post! sorry donchais ignore me I’ll play for hours in the sand pit!! 🙂

  5. HJ Madison
    04/16/2013 at 8:10 pm

    Thanks Donchais for the reviews and for providing “us” a place to play. My thoughts are with you regarding yesterday’s sad events.

  6. donchais
    04/16/2013 at 8:12 pm

    BTW, my SIL belongs to a running club in upstate NY, several members ran the marathon yesterday…all accounted for and safe…thank you God!

    • 04/16/2013 at 8:30 pm

      So glad to hear your SIL is safe and sound! I hope they catch the monster(s) responsible for that tragedy.

      Btw, in a post from a couple weeks ago, you mentioned you were from Highland Falls? Us that the Village of Highland Falls in New York?

      • donchais
        04/16/2013 at 8:37 pm

        Worked there…many, many good friends…was billy joel’s playground and, well, don’t wanna say, lol! Listen to “Summer of Highland Falls”. Meant a bunch to a lot of us!

      • 04/16/2013 at 8:47 pm

        Cool! Sounds like you had a life you might want to write about in a book someday! Billy Joel, eh?! I’ll have to listen to that song again!

        We lived in Cornwall for ten years. It’s so beautiful up there in the mid- Hudson region. Miss it!

      • donchais
        04/16/2013 at 8:49 pm

        OMG, lived in Cornwall for years…remember NYMA???

      • 04/16/2013 at 8:53 pm

        Yes! Did you attend NYMA? My friend’s daughter went there one year back in the nineties.

      • donchais
        04/16/2013 at 9:00 pm

        Nah, way before…dated Batista’s (Cuba) grandson, Ramon who was sent there…years later, my condo looked out on the parade grounds, lol…must be much older but funny we have this in common…luvin it! And Billy Joel, omg!

      • 04/16/2013 at 9:18 pm

        It’s amazing how many celebrities make their home in that region!

        Cornwall is such a beautiful, quaint town. Was your condo down by the park where they had concerts and great 4th of July fireworks?

      • donchais
        04/16/2013 at 9:21 pm

        Nope, across from NYMA! Across from High School

      • 04/16/2013 at 10:06 pm

        Gotcha! I think you were close to 9W. We lived over in the Salisbury Mills area of Cornwall – more rural. You lived in the Village where the action was! Lol! (It’s been about fifteen years since we lived there). Remember the treacherous drive up Storm King mountain in the winters?!

    • NancyB
      04/16/2013 at 8:51 pm

      That’s such a relief. The man whose 8 yr old son died and daughter in hospital & wife had brain surgery yesterday just breaks my heart. For all the victims and the families & friends of the 3 that died – just horrific.

      • donchais
        04/16/2013 at 8:54 pm


      • 04/16/2013 at 8:57 pm

        That kind of heartache is unfathomable. My prayers are with him.

    • Wendy
      04/16/2013 at 9:37 pm

      So glad everyone is safe. Thanks for all you do. You’re the best. 😊

      • Wendy
        04/16/2013 at 9:40 pm

        That was in reply to your SIL. Prayers for all of the families of yesterday’s disaster.

      • donchais
        04/16/2013 at 9:40 pm

        I am but a human with feet of clay!

    • Chrissie A
      04/16/2013 at 10:55 pm

      Thanks for the brilliant recap Donchais!! I was, (and I know all others on here really feeling for you yesterday) while growing up in London, bombings were unfortunately part of our daily lives – I was in the vicinity of many being detonated but luckily far enough away from the carnage, it is a sound and feeling I have never forgotten. Patton Oswalt posted a wonderful piece on FB yesterday, if you haven’t seen it I’ll send it to you. ~luvnhugs~ and thanks for all you do 🙂

  7. truejustice
    04/16/2013 at 8:15 pm

    You have such an awesome recap donchais !!

    • donchais
      04/16/2013 at 8:18 pm

      The transmission was so bad today, if not for ritanita, wouldn’t have happened!

      • Laine
        04/16/2013 at 8:22 pm

        Thanks ritanita! you are a star! 🙂 and thanks MMD for those links to the new witnesses!

    • truejustice
      04/17/2013 at 11:05 am

      Thanks to you too ritanita!

  8. Crystal Harris
    04/16/2013 at 8:23 pm

    My observations of today:
    1. DeMarte did great and is a great witness…doesn’t talk too much or too little and has the perfect temperament for jurors (not condescending or cheesy).
    2. Jodi ditching her glasses could not have been a more obvious move. Hmmm, let’s see. Jodi’s thought process: There’s a young, pretty, accomplished and professional woman in my vicinity. There’s no way I’m going to look ugly today.
    3. Juan finished his examination of his witness in less than one day. This just shows how good he is at his job. Remember back when ALV first took the stand, Wilmott took 2 days just to go over her qualifications, another 2 days just to educate people about DV, and on and on. Learn to do your job more efficiently, JW!
    4. I think Wilmott’s cross of DeMarte focusing on her CV was a weak attempt to copy what Juan did to Alyce last week. However, Wilmott is no Juan, and therefore she just looks WEAK and ineffective and LAME. And I really think the jury can see all of this.

    • donchais
      04/16/2013 at 8:24 pm

      spot on!!!

      • md_6953@hotmail.com
        04/16/2013 at 10:15 pm

        Hi Everyone…I don’t say much and unfortunately ask questions….new to this….thank you so much Donchais for your wonderful, insightful recaps. I’m from Massachusetts and just 25 miles from Boston….our hearts have been crying so much since this horrible attack on neighbors and friends and on our beautiful city. Prayers to everyone!!! And of course Justice for Travis and his family…. Go Juan…our Main Man. xoxoxo to all

      • MoVG
        04/17/2013 at 8:31 am

        Hey md, I too am about 25 miles from Boston and have been devastated by this tragedy. My sister in law works blocks away from the finish line and was concerened about getting her outta there. She was able to get away from the area safely thank goodness. I’m right there with you praying for everyone.

    • Laine
      04/16/2013 at 8:26 pm

      I agree with it all Crystal, and in fact I think Wilma made herself look uninformed and the witness more credable by going into her CV in such depth! I believe she achieved the opposite effect of what she was trying to do!

      • 04/16/2013 at 9:37 pm

        Yes…totally agree with you Laine.

    • 04/16/2013 at 8:42 pm

      I’m surprised Hodi’s vanity allowed her to wear those hideous glasses as long as she did. I also think the way she acted so disinterested in Dr. DeMarte’s testimony hurt her. And just what is it that she is writing in that notebook of hers?! Maybe she’s working on the epilogue of her Manifesto. Sheesh!

      • Shirley Pare
        04/17/2013 at 1:05 am

        Maybe she’s doodling, or writing I hate Juan, I hate Juan 🙂 Good job as usual Donchais

    • NancyB
      04/16/2013 at 8:57 pm

      Have to agree with your comment. This witness is the epitome of credibility and professional to the nth degree! She exudes it. Just trying to imagine how many days ALV’s dramatics wasted of valuable court time because she was too narcissistic to answer Juan’s questions. I truly have never seen a forensic witness make a bigger fool, really an ass of herself ever!

    • LadyinRed
      04/16/2013 at 10:24 pm

      I totally agree, CrystalH! It’s about time Team Travis had a pristine witness flush all the garbage in one fell swoop after all this garbage ducking! Well done #JuanMartinez!

    • 04/16/2013 at 10:31 pm

      2. Jodi ditching her glasses could not have been a more obvious move. Hmmm, let’s see. Jodi’s thought process: There’s a young, pretty, accomplished and professional woman in my vicinity. There’s no way I’m going to look ugly today.

      Sorry about that last entry by me. I hit enter before I posted my comment :{….Referring to Crystals comment about “no way I’m going to look ugly today”.
      Aren’t you all struck by just how ugly JA (evil) really is? When I see JA it reminds me of those Sy Fy movies when someone’s skin melts away and reveals the monster inside behind the façade.
      God doesn’t like Ugly!
      The ongoing smirking of Wilmont and Nurmi during the testimony of the witness really bothers me. Just shows the difference in professionalism between them and Juan. Juan sits expressionless until he is up. They ignore the fact that someone died at the hands of their client who also may die….sooo unprofessional. When they rested today my first thought was “Whaaat! that’s all you got??????”
      Donchais….I do enjoy reading your recaps, even on the days when I catch some testimony. Your personality and perspective really adds to your posts…I love it 🙂 It also helps me to understand some of the technical legal issues. Do you have a legal or journalism background?

    • Tracey A
      04/16/2013 at 11:56 pm

      Whoa! Crystal…you and Donchais (well, a lot of people here) are mind readers. My thoughts exactly. When Juan ended abruptly, I was not surprised. He goes in, makes his points and then turns it over. (Except with the crazy witnesses i.e. JA, Dr. Do Little and ALV).

      I’m really interested to see how long the Perkster will drag this out trying to impeach the good Dr. D! If she goes on longer than Juan that will speak volumes. She is NOT going to be able to trash this witness the way Juan did to the DT “experts”.

    • kellyRN
      04/17/2013 at 10:20 am

      I love it:
      “2. Jodi ditching her glasses could not have been a more obvious move. Hmmm, let’s see. Jodi’s thought process: There’s a young, pretty, accomplished and professional woman in my vicinity. There’s no way I’m going to look ugly today.”
      Did you also notice the day before when Jodi was wearing her glasses down on the bridge of her nose like the judge. She REALLY creeps me out!!!!

  9. Lisa M
    04/16/2013 at 8:23 pm

    Watching Nancy Grace, and arggghhh, we haven’t even gotten to Wilmott’s cross! I had trouble accessing online feeds today, like others I guess. Anyway, Dr. D just said that in her opinion Jodi and Travis’ relationship wasn’t abusive, and Jodi shot daggers at her! LOL She finally deigned to look directly at her. Must have really struck a nerve. Someone actually telling the truth in no uncertain terms.

    • HJ Madison
      04/16/2013 at 8:47 pm

      Hey Lisa: The whole day is up on YouTube now. Here is a link to CroakerQueen, day 48, part 4. Wilmot was up for about 45 minutes. I just hate the thought of anyone having to suffer thru NG to see testimony!


      (Ipad link — maybe will not work for you)

      • Lisa M
        04/16/2013 at 9:32 pm

        Thanks, HJ! I decided to skip Wilmott’s cross. I turned Dr. Drew on for a few minutes, long enough to hear some idiot say that she thought Wilmott was successfully pointing out Dr. Demarte’s lack of experience. I beg to differ! I trust Donchais’ viewpoint. Needless to say, I stopped watching right then and there. Cannot take the out-of-touch/bitter(?) defense attorneys on HLN.

    • Tracey A
      04/16/2013 at 9:11 pm

      Wow! I thought it was just me today that had feed problems. Can’t count how many times I rebooted thinking it was my laptop. That’s a relief cuz I was all over the place today. I never could get WildAboutTrial but others could. Weird!

      • donchais
        04/16/2013 at 9:20 pm

        Nope, everything was out today!

  10. 04/16/2013 at 8:23 pm

    Great job, Donchais, detailing the day ‘s explosive testimony! As expected, Juantastic didn’t disappoint us. I especially love the way Dr. DeMarte “cleared” the fog issue; single-handedly obliterating Hodi’s defense and handing it to Gidget on a silver platter.

    Poor little Gidget may need treatment herself for PTSD after this witness is done with her.

  11. Diane
    04/16/2013 at 8:26 pm

    I have be watching this trial since early March and reading this blog since then. Haven’t commented but now I have too..I love this witness!! I want to stalk her and marry her..lol..the best I’ve seen since I have started watching.This is hallelajuh for the prosecution..how refreshing!!
    (And thank you donchais for all your recaps..I do read them every day) 🙂

    • Crystal Harris
      04/16/2013 at 8:31 pm

      Very funny, Diane! Welcome.

      • Diane
        04/16/2013 at 8:33 pm

        Thank you:)

    • md_6953@hotmail.com
      04/16/2013 at 10:33 pm

      🙂 My sentiments exactly…..

  12. nsdragonfly
    04/16/2013 at 8:29 pm

    Gidget should make an appointment with Dr. DeMarte for the first week of May, when this trial ends…shes gonna need it by then….*L

    • NancyB
      04/16/2013 at 8:59 pm

      How funny! She definitely could benefit from some counseling and maybe DeMarte can recommend a voice coach, which she badly needs pronto.

      • janeto
        04/16/2013 at 10:57 pm

        We all know she can afford it!!!! Love it!!

  13. Tracey A
    04/16/2013 at 8:33 pm

    I am so enthralled with this site! So many incredible like-minded people. Donchais, I felt like you were reading my mind in your recap. Covered absolutely everything I thought during trial today including…

    Ms. VAL got her masters in 1980…could you have evaluate her? Where you even born back then? LOL! When Perky said that about ALV, I thought the exact same thing. In fact, I thought Dr. DeMarte was actually going to say “I wasn’t born yet”! She may have, in fact, wanted to (if that’s true) but she is entirely too professional to sink to the levels that ALV did.

    Thank you so much! And I so hope you are feeling better. Yesterday was so hard…it was an effort not to break down and sob. I was afraid if I did I wouldn’t be able to stop.

    {{{{{hugs}}}}} Girl!!!

    • nsdragonfly
      04/16/2013 at 9:30 pm

      Alyce got her masters in 1980…i do believe the teachings probably changed and improved since then so even tho dr. demarte has less years of experience at least she is up to date on the new testing, evaluations etc where dear old alyce is what….30 years behind…

    • Stacey
      04/17/2013 at 11:13 am

      I think that her comment about “Were you even born then” show’s that they are desperate! There was one part when Wilmont ask her what the law is, I think reguarding her license. I was hoping she would reply that she has a doctorate degree, not a law degree.lol

  14. Diane
    04/16/2013 at 8:36 pm

    i also want to say I get so many chuckles from the comments from site..so fun to read:)

  15. Diane
    04/16/2013 at 9:03 pm

    cant read posts anymore:(

    • donchais
      04/16/2013 at 9:08 pm


      • Diane
        04/16/2013 at 9:34 pm

        ok..see one post..maybe slow..

  16. 04/16/2013 at 9:31 pm

    Is it slow tonight…or did comments stop?

    • donchais
      04/16/2013 at 9:32 pm

      Slow for whatever!

  17. Regina
    04/16/2013 at 9:32 pm

    Donchais, thanks again for a wonderful recap. I couldn’t watch the trial today but like always your recap is perfect and we don’t have to put up with all that sidebar BS. I couldn’t post my thoughts about you yesterday but I am glad you are feeling better today. I want you to know that my prayers will be with you so you can support this pain that no words can erase. I am also glad that your SIL is safe. I still can get over how they can destroy happy lives so easy. I guess that HOHO is not the only one that can’t stand people bing happy. A big hug for you.

  18. Lisa M
    04/16/2013 at 9:33 pm

    What year did Dr. Demarte get her doctorate? I think you wrote 1992, Donchais, but she can’t be that old!

    • donchais
      04/16/2013 at 9:35 pm

      what she said, if I’m right.

      • Nancy Pennington
        04/16/2013 at 9:55 pm

        I thought she got her phd in 2009. Graduated in 2008 but did one year residency then got Phd.

      • Wendy
        04/16/2013 at 10:02 pm

        I thought she said 2002

      • janeto
        04/16/2013 at 11:01 pm

        Well I don’t know which degree or whatever but I did hear she started something in 2002

    • 04/16/2013 at 9:46 pm

      I think she said 2010

    • osabung
      04/17/2013 at 4:11 am

      I thought DeMarte said she got her doctorate in 2009 and she got her license as a Physiologist in 2010.

  19. Tracey A
    04/16/2013 at 9:36 pm

    I’m in & out right now trying to get some stuff done. But I have to say I feel positively giddy after watching Dr. DeMarte. Even more so after watching Perky try to take her down and fail miserably. What a complete embarrassment she is. I just can’t wait for court tomorrow. 🙂

    • kristin
      04/16/2013 at 10:30 pm

      Tracey u saw into my mind’s eye with wilmott. Today was the first day I wished diarrhea on her. She was just a straight beyotch. If she is reading this, girl, part your hair on the opposite side to give that bald spot a rest and a chance to fill in.

      • janeto
        04/16/2013 at 11:16 pm

        It’s probably balder on the other side!! So the smaller has to do! 🙂

      • 04/17/2013 at 11:38 am

        Kristin…OMG, I have been saying that, about the bald spot. It’s so annoying!! Much like her, and all those smirks, and eye rolls, I just want to slap her

    • janeto
      04/16/2013 at 11:04 pm

      Yes ma’me she schooled WillNot!! Laughed my ass off!!! You go Dr. J 🙂

      • kristin
        04/17/2013 at 1:21 am

        Pull it up in a pony tail lol!!

  20. Jane
    04/16/2013 at 9:51 pm

    Janine sees the chameleon behavior of Jodi. Toward the end of todays testimony, Dr.D. briefly put her hair behind her left ear. Several minutes later, Jodi puts her hair behind her left ear.

    • 04/16/2013 at 10:29 pm

      Astute observation!

  21. Observer
    04/16/2013 at 9:59 pm

    I was very impressed with Dr. Janeen DeMarte’s credentials, her no nonsense professional manner and saw that Jodi was aggressive, violent, had no boundaries and was lying to her about the abuse and amnesia.

    I admired DeMarte for not being afraid to say Dr. Samuel’s was unethical in giving Jodi a self help book, which could if read skew the results of his testing and was not afraid to call LaViolette’s behavior “odd” when she apologized to Jodi Arias for reading her journals and said that attitude prevented LaViolette from being unbiased.

    Although Dr. DeMarte been practicing fewer years than Samuels and LaViolette, she sounded sharper, more objective, more knowledgeable and as experienced, having supervised counselors with masters degrees like LaViolette and having evaluated and counseled domestic violence victims since she got her PHD in 2009.

    So when DeMarte testified that Jodi did not suffer from PTSD or Battered Woman’s Syndrome and explained why, she was far more credible than Samuels and LaViolette who admitted they had compassion for the defendant, which DeMarte says makes them biased in their evaluation. Her diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder fits Jodi’ws personality.

    I also was impressed that DeMarte’s testimony brought out new revelations:

    1-Jodi admitted in an email to Travis Alexander that she went into rages, punched holes in walls and kicked doors and her parents verified that she had raged and was violent since she was a child.
    2-Jodi told Dr. DeMarte she remembered getting the knife before the killing and putting it in the dishwasher after the killing.
    3-Jodi cited numerous instances of domestic abuse to another psychologist but only four instances of abuse to DeMarte, Samuels and DeViolette.
    4-Jodi told DeMarte she came out of her fog at Hoover Dam, saw blood on her hands and came to the conclusion that she had killed Travis Alexander, which DeMarte found illogical.
    5-Jodi suffers from Borderline Personality Disorder which explains how she could kill Travis Alexander and then socialize at a PPL conference, romance Ryan Byrnes, send flowers to Travis’s grandmother, attend his memorial, socialize with his friends and write a letter to his family.

    • Lisa M
      04/17/2013 at 10:44 am

      Yes, Observer! I particularly liked the admission of the anger in the email to Travis. That shows an aggressive personality before the killing. I think what she really had going for her, like you said, is she was clear, articulate, and didn’t mince words.

  22. 04/16/2013 at 10:00 pm

    Crystal Harris :
    My observations of today:
    1. DeMarte did great and is a great witness…doesn’t talk too much or too little and has the perfect temperament for jurors (not condescending or cheesy).
    2. Jodi ditching her glasses could not have been a more obvious move. Hmmm, let’s see. Jodi’s thought process: There’s a young, pretty, accomplished and professional woman in my vicinity. There’s no way I’m going to look ugly today.
    3. Juan finished his examination of his witness in less than one day. This just shows how good he is at his job. Remember back when ALV first took the stand, Wilmott took 2 days just to go over her qualifications, another 2 days just to educate people about DV, and on and on. Learn to do your job more efficiently, JW!
    4. I think Wilmott’s cross of DeMarte focusing on her CV was a weak attempt to copy what Juan did to Alyce last week. However, Wilmott is no Juan, and therefore she just looks WEAK and ineffective and LAME. And I really think the jury can see all of this.

    • Lisa M
      04/16/2013 at 10:09 pm

      And you know what? I bet the jury actually wouldn’t have minded hearing more from this witness. I think Juan ended on a high note. He left ’em wanting more!

  23. TerryP
    04/16/2013 at 10:06 pm

    Juan was brilliant today, ending at the time he did & so abruptly. Wilma was caught off guard & it showed!! :)))

    • 04/17/2013 at 11:43 am

      I agree, Wilmutt and Slurmi were not expecting that and it showed!!

  24. Lisa M
    04/16/2013 at 10:06 pm

    I know there has been some concern raised that Jodi being diagnosed with borderline personality disorder rather than antisocial personality disorder might cause some people to feel sympathetic towards her. But I don’t think that’s the case. Because even if someone is a sociopath, you could argue that they had no choice over their behavior. I think one still has agency or free will, no? Even with BPD (?) I had been talking with Syntara about someone I knew who I believe has borderline personality disorder– and she has many of the same symptoms as Jodi– the lack of boundaries, for example– although I never witnessed any violent tendencies. She was very passive-aggressive, but I never saw her hitting or striking anything. Of course, the person I’ve been talking about is someone I knew years ago, but had a long-standing friendship with and I don’t know if she’s been diagnosed with that disorder since then, so I’m basing my own personal diagnosis on observation and experience with her. In any case, this is not someone you’d tend to feel sorry for when looking at the big picture, because her actions were very selfish and destructive to other people, and yes, to herself, I guess you could argue. When you were dealing with her on an individual basis in certain situations, however, she could engender a lot of sympathy because of her crying,etc. Remember that Travis told Jodi he was sick of her crying? So he started to think she was being manipulative in that manner. Like my friend, who was extremely manipulative with men, and also had abandonment issues, they’d be very charmed by her at first, but over a fairly short period of time, get fed up with her. When you’re dealing one-on-one with these people, like I said, you can feel very sorry for them, but in the end they never feel that way toward you and after they’ve stabbed you in the back a few times (sorry for my choice of words), you tend to lose the sympathy. So I don’t think this diagnosis will engender sympathy from the jury IMO.

    • 04/16/2013 at 10:43 pm

      I had the same reaction when I heard that and I agree with you. Borderline Personality Disorder is not a disease, like diabetes. I believe it’s just a combination of character flaws that create a very warped, self centered personality. I worked with a woman with BPD. Every day was like a ride on the crazy train. I’m not saying you can’t put a label on it, but that doesn’t excuse anything. She wasn’t that way because of a brain injury or sime valid medical condition. It’s an explanation of her behavior in a nutshell. That’s all.

      • Lisa M
        04/17/2013 at 10:55 am

        Oh, my gosh, Janine, you just made me remember a lady I used to work with that could very well have been Borderline
        because every day with this woman at work was definitely like a ride on the crazy train! But I think perhaps she was bipolar. You just reminded me. Whew! There are some unstable people in this world aren’t there?

    • Commerce1
      04/16/2013 at 10:57 pm

      It is also important to remember that the death penalty is not based upon whether or not the person is deemed to be a candidate for rehabilitation. It is based upon specific guidelines based upon the exreme cruelty of their acts and their disregard for human life. So simply because some people believe BPDs can be rehabilitated, does not mean a person diagnosed with BPD – such as the monster we see before us – should be spared the death penalty. After all, she showed absolutely no mercy for Travis. She butchered him in pre-meditated cold blood.

      Also, in my opinion, DeMarte is not privy to all of the information we have seen since this trial began – such as Jodi’s testimony – which shows her to be extremely Narcissistic and Sociopathic. Because she is a witness, she is likely under order to not watch testimony or coverage of this case. If she were privy to all of the information, she would likely come up with additional diagnosis of the monster’s many personality disorders.

      • NancyB
        04/17/2013 at 4:05 am

        True and she has met the criteria.

  25. Lisa M
    04/16/2013 at 10:13 pm

    But I’m also not saying I agree with the diagnosis. I am just a lay person so I really don’t know. However, I have always tended to see her as a sociopath. One other thing: when Dr. Demarte said that Jodi was “happy as hell in jail,” according to her parents, it reminded me immediately of Casey Anthony. Jose Baez has said that whenever he would visit Casey she’d be happy-go-lucky as if she were on a picnic. In my humble opinion they’re both sociopaths! CA and JA (and maybe JB too!)

    • kristin
      04/16/2013 at 10:36 pm

      JA still knows right from wrong in its most basic form at least even with her new diagnosis. (If she didn’t she wouldn’t have lied or covered it up).

    • HJ Madison
      04/17/2013 at 12:15 am

      I think “sociopath” is a lay term used to describe all types of personality disorders. There is Narcissitic, Histrionic, Antisocial, Borderline, etc… that are actually diagnoseable as psychiactric disorders. So a “Borderline” is a sociopath. My sister is one …. OMG ….. and just like the WOBO except she has not yet ever murdered (and I don’t say that so lightly!). On the surface …. a living angel. Underneath …. as wicked and evil as can be. Heartbreaking!

      • 04/17/2013 at 12:44 am

        sociopath is the common term for ASPD – Anti-social Personality Disorder is it’s current equivalent diagnosis

        yes it is a Cluster B disorder.

  26. 04/16/2013 at 10:23 pm

    Well from what I heard today it really does look like we may get our wish after all!
    Good-bye Jodi Arias!!
    I absolutely LOVE Janine!! She has loaded the needle for Arias’s execution!!! TY TY TY
    Justice for Travis in the end will prevail!!!

  27. Family of Law
    04/16/2013 at 10:37 pm

    Here is Dr. Janeen DeMarte’s education info (and more). http://www.linkedin.com/pub/janeen-demarte/57/614/797?_mSplash=1

  28. Family of Law
    04/16/2013 at 10:42 pm

    I had heard a mention that Dr. DeMarte’s laptop (containing her testing and evaluation of JA had been stolen during a “suspicious” burglary at Dr. D’s home- So I did a looking looking into it, and saw this link right away. http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/21010530/2013/02/06/expert-witness-in-arias-trial-has-home-burglarized

    Now I’m wondering where He/She Dono was that day in February? (I’m only half joking)!

    • Commerce1
      04/16/2013 at 10:59 pm

      I seriously had the same thought.

  29. Commerce1
    04/16/2013 at 11:00 pm

    I bet that arrogant bitch wishes she’d left her hair curtain down today instead of pulling it back in that hair do fit for a 10-year old

    • janeto
      04/16/2013 at 11:20 pm

      🙂 just spewed my tea!! Lmao!!

      • Commerce1
        04/17/2013 at 12:32 am

        Seriously…….she left herself exposed – which is why she had to spend the day with her head down feverishly working on an update to her manifesto.

  30. janeto
    04/16/2013 at 11:19 pm

    Great recap donchais & riatana! Question. Do the jurors ask questions?

    • Crystal Harris
      04/17/2013 at 2:15 am

      Yes, jurors get to ask Q ‘s. It’s my understanding that they barely asked any Q’s of prosecution witnesses during the case in chief. I think that’s a good sign.

  31. NancyB
    04/16/2013 at 11:24 pm

    I finally caught up on the previous threads comments – my feed crashed soooo many times today. Katz – Dr Karp evaluated JA (psychologist) and then she dropped out! We can only guess why!! Chrissie – that pic of LaLa’s arrival was hysterical and the best laugh I’ve had today! Now, I’ve got to catch up on these comments. Jacob Mefford has been on several HLN shows. He was a good friend of Travis’. BBL!

  32. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/16/2013 at 11:44 pm

    Well it was a good day! We finally got to enjoy sipping our wine while we watched the trial via Wild about Trial…..except for the times where we only had sound. What was up with their live feed! As long as we had sound we were fine…..anything to keep from watching HLN! We can only tolerate that channel if we’re dead drunk! Dr. D (as you all have titled her!) did a good job while Willanurmi tried to discredit her credentials. Boy….what did Willanurmi think she was doing…..she looked and sounded so stupid fumbling around trying to figure out what to ask next. Dr. D totally had Willanurmi getting HERSELF mixed up just by answering the questions and then sat patiently waiting for Willanurmi to figure out her next question. Willanurmi is soooo trying to show Dr. D as inexperienced in comparison to the DT’s two experts (can’t even use their names they were so pathetic!), however what Willanurmi doesn’t realize is that some of the members on that jury are in Dr. D’s generation. Smarter and more enlightened in this age of technology. They’re more up to date with their education and current trends. In comparison what did those two old farts do:

    Elmer Fudd
    1) Doesn’t retest when he finds out JA was in her second lie
    2) Fills in the answers himself
    3) Re-adds the test 2-3 times
    4) Gifts a book to JA
    5) Becomes infatuated with her (it showed!)
    6) Biased
    7) Totally disorganized on the stand

    La La Toilet
    1) Doesn’t do a report
    2) Apologizes to JA (for doing her job!)
    3) Gifts magazines to JA
    4) Doesn’t interview anyone in Travis’ circle
    5) Totally biased to JA
    6) No testing
    7) Lied on her resume (never testified in Criminal Court as stated)
    8) Illegally approached the Alexander family

    Need we say more! Feel free to add to the list! Let’s hope that Willanurmi gets to the facts and the meat of this trial and quit wasting the court’s time, the Juror’s time, and the AZ Taxpayer’s money……cha ching cha ching cha ching….!!

    Good Job JM…..Justice for Travis and his Family!!

  33. Kristi
    04/16/2013 at 11:52 pm

    I am so glad I found your blog! I’m obsessed with this trial! Thanks to you I can keep up at work. Love Dr DeMarte…..this lady is a professional and it shows. Among many many things about ALV that really bothered me is that she brought friends and family to court with her? It’s work for heavens sake! I served as an expert witness once (criminal and civil trials – same bad guy, but real estate fraud, not as serious as murder), I showed up each day dressed in a suit, very formal, ready to testify. I did not invite friends to watch me work. I didn’t smile or communicate socially with anyone. I didn’t actually get called to the stand, but was deposed and had to be ready but was shocked by ALVs casual dress and demeanor.

  34. Tracey A
    04/17/2013 at 12:03 am

    Lisa M :
    Thanks, HJ! I decided to skip Wilmott’s cross. I turned Dr. Drew on for a few minutes, long enough to hear some idiot say that she thought Wilmott was successfully pointing out Dr. Demarte’s lack of experience. I beg to differ! I trust Donchais’ viewpoint. Needless to say, I stopped watching right then and there. Cannot take the out-of-touch/bitter(?) defense attorneys on HLN.

    Lisa – I always have HLN on in the background after trial is over because every now and then I catch something I missed during testimony. And today, after all my feed probs, I missed quite a bit. But I glanced up when I heard what that talking ass had to say on Dr. Drew. It was inherently clear to me that Perky is way off base here. I see where she’s trying to go with her questions but it all falls flat. Even NG said Perky doesn’t seem to know where she’s going. Wow, who’d a thought I would paraphrase NG???

  35. 04/17/2013 at 12:04 am

    Hey guys! Gonna leave you all with these thoughts.

    While in this case I think BPD will suffice as the diagnosis and I too could make the case Janeen Demarte is, I feel it is only part of the picture and offers up many problems I was hoping would be avoided. This is basically my worst nightmare come true. In a way it’s worse than Dr Dodgy and LaLa because, like it or not, this IS a game changer.

    There are big issues I have with proclaiming in open court Jodi has BPD and I’ll narrow this list to 3 for this audience.

    1. It does not account for the violence, and we are talking EXTREME violence. Many say, well she can’t be ASPD because she shows no history of it. I disagree vehemently with that. The baseball bat to her brother, the kicking and hitting her mother, the sudden disappearance of Doggy Boy and these are only a very small portion of what I believe is really out there.

    2. Lack of Empathy – Jodi does not seem to have any empathy at all. She seems incapable of it. A diagnosis of BPD can explain at least part of this but I feel not all. That is really irrelevant in some ways at least to this trial but it is a glaring anomaly that needs investigation and I believe subsequently will be. BPD can diminish empathy in certain circumstances it is not the same as a total lack of empathy.

    3. Lack of conscience – I see not one flicker of conscience in Jodi Ann Arias. BPD in no way explains this adequately.

    Now this is what REALLY worries me…… The possible repercussions of this (mis-) diagnosis?

    For all intents and purposes a diagnosis of BPD will still win this particular case. At least at this trial err hopefully!

    Wurmi and Willnot are so inept and lack even the obvious understanding (whether deliberate or actual) of psychopathology and how it relates to their client. Jodi too probably had no real knowledge of Borderline Personality Disorder before now, likely her cogs have been spinning into over-drive ever since. Ironically DeMarte could turn out to be her biggest saviour to date (literally save her)….. meh… but it’s established her IQ is far inferior to Einstein so perhaps as yet she is to realise the gift offered up to her today.

    Sorry I digressed.. so back to my point and it pains me to have to write the rest of this let me tell you!

    Turns back to this trial……

    Dr DeMarte will run rings around anything the defense can offer up in regards to Dr Dodgy and LaLa. It is Juan’s job here to rebut what the defense has offered up and DeMarte is definitely more than capable of doing just that.

    So… what is the defense’s alternative? Well they have two (and I have no idea if either is even admissible at this stage that’s a WIS area)

    1. Find an expert who will diagnose ASPD – well like this ridiculous pupil reflection, that would likely only serve to make Juan’s case stronger.

    2. Offer an expert in BPD.. If possible this could be trouble REAL trouble for the first time in this trial (see below in future appeals section(*)

    Let’s assume… as much for the sake of my sanity as anything… that the defense is too stupid to even consider this option and DeMarte’s testimony only further drives this Jury to a DP Verdict. Yay we win right? ( let’s not even talk about the repercussions of this in mitigation FOL stricken me off that list so I won’t go there.)…

    ….. so assume again the DP is given in this case and there is great celebration and cork popping…. this is, as I said, a yay we win right???

    Well….. briefly ……..because……

    In subsequent appeals, a defense expert could be brought in to give the why Jodi ( as a borderline Personality Disorder Sufferer ) elicits far more sympathy and should be understood as a turmoil of emotion; fuelled by an overwhelming sense of abandonment which manifested itself in childhood – further exploring the defense’s current claim of abuse, but not by Travis, as a result of fear her parents would abandon her as a child. Let’s face it Lala has gone a long way in already making that case as Juan himself pointed out. This to me could be problematic at best.

    THIS is why I have steered others away from entertaining a diagnosis of BPD rather than the ‘larger’ psychopathology determining of ASPD +/-P. I did NOT want the defense to enter this arena. Why? One simple reason….

    Future Appeals

    If, in subsequent appeals the (*)Defense argues for a more lenient sentence based on this diagnosis of BPD (and as someone with knowledge in the field I know this could be done, I could do it myself) it would be incumbent on the prosecution to provide either

    1) A psychologist who could attest the presence of ASPD which would then preclude the BPD diagnosis.

    2) Stick with the BPD diagnosis and argue toe to toe why Jodi still deserves the DP despite the diagnosis of BPD.

    This second is FAR FAR FAR more difficult case to argue than the ridiculous self defense case offered up in this trial. Like it or not BPD IS a very sympathetic diagnosis if handled by an expert aware of it’s root causes and dysphoria.

    This then becomes potentially a minefield from which I see no clear resolution. I am not familiar with the legalities and court machinations particularly within the US system because I am Australian but let me point out some problems I foresee from a purely argumentative standpoint.

    The prosecutor has now set the BPD diagnosis into play by allowing this testimony, can this be brought to the attention of all subsequent juries? I’m assuming yes it would be fair game for the defense. If so, how does a jury ever truly dismiss it. Any future appeals could be tarnished by this.

    This is not by any means an in depth analysis or commentary but it covers the basics of the concerns I now have.

    I think the defense in this case has been so lacking in psychopathology insight and/or desperation to cover Jodi’s they are ill-prepared for this and for the sake of this trial alone the diagnosis may well suffice. This therefore will be the best chance at getting a DP ruling.

    That said, it’s a moot point because in the first appeal, and as I understand it there WILL be one, the defense team in all probability will NOT be a wurmi and willnot show. Should the DT be a more competent one, an line with the BPD diagnosis… their star witness will be an expert in BPD and mark my words, at least some of the jury will feel sorry for Jodi Arias, I guarantee it.

    So what then? In all probability she will never get the DP sentence again and quite possibly not even a first degree murder charge. It is likely this diagnosis of BPD renders the best a prosecution in subsequent appeals can hope for is a 2nd degree murder charge unless the prosecution offers up a psychiatrist who can attest to ASPD +/-P.

    THEN those 12 people ALL have to agree that the diagnosis of ASPD +/-P trumps this initial diagnosis . I find that very unlikely especially in view it is being offered up by the prosecution itself right now. I think at least one juror and probably more will say… “well you know what? The prosecution thought she had BPD originally so maybe she does have BPD.” Let’s face it many of you have already jumped on that band wagon so why wouldn’t they?

    I think this is extremely unhelpful and tragically works in Jodi Arias favour. I don’t think she will ever see the DP, she may see a verdict for it and the end of this trial but subsequent to that I don’t think she will ever see the verdict again.

    I hope I am wrong. You all know what I think she is and how I would flick that switch myself. BUT… if as the prosecution claims she legitimately suffers BPD I would argue on her behalf that mitigating circumstances should preclude her from the DP.

    So while you all may laud Janeen Demarte, bear in mind she could actually be undoing all the good that has been done in this trial and setting up a win for wobo in all subsequent trials at least when it comes to taking the DP off the table.

    • Commerce1
      04/17/2013 at 12:26 am

      Syntara –
      Your points are all very well taken and are VERY educational. However, it is my understanding that once convicted, the only way this case will ever be before a jury again would be if her conviction were overturned (very rare and very unlikely) and she was granted a new trial. The appeals process consists of judges reviewing court proceedings and rendering opinions based upon issues of law only. In other words, issues that somehow violated her right to a fair trial, adequate defense, procedural issues, etc. Further, it is my understanding that once the death penalty is decided upon, it is not the function of the appeals process to reevaluate and re-determine that sentence.

      Our lawyer friends here could better speak to this.

      Like you, I believe Jodi is far, far more than just a BPD. But, as I stated in my earlier post, I don’t believe DeMarte is privy to all of the information we have. Because she is a witness, she has likely been ordered to not view coverage or testimony in this trial. Her information is likely based upon what she received up to a certain point in time. She probably did not witness Jodi’s testimony -which is what made it glaringly clear that she has extreme Narcissistic and Sociopathic tendencies.

      • 04/17/2013 at 12:30 am

        well my views still stand re subsequent appeals. I eagerly await Where Is She’s or some other legally grounded person to clarify what avenues she will have and what can or can’t be overturned/used after this trial.

      • HJ Madison
        04/17/2013 at 1:10 am

        Oh …. and one more thing. It is pretty hard to overturn a jury verdict. That is why this judge is driving us all crazy by being so lenient with the defense: The indulgent sidebars, hearing reflecting eyeball testimony, the leading questions where Gidget just fed ALV the answer with her question.

      • Crystal Harris
        04/17/2013 at 2:36 am

        Syn- to answer your last question. Once JA is convicted in this trial, she will never be in front of another jury again unless an Appeals Court rules that this current trial is overturned due to a mistake that is made by the Judge or misconduct. Other than that, there are no do-overs once you are convicted. All appeals are simply handled by panels of judges looking at the court transcripts.

    • HJ Madison
      04/17/2013 at 12:56 am

      Just bear with me here …. Right now we are in the guilt phase of the trial and are determining whether it is 1st, 2nd or maybe?? manslaughter?? Anyway, the prosecution has to prove either premeditation or “felony” murder to get 1st degree. Felony is the commission of another crime while doing the murder and I think the Prosecution have dropped felony. That leaves premeditation. Is there an issue with BPD and the planning of this murder?

      If she gets 1st, then we go to the penalty phase …. this is where her BPD could be argued as a mitigating factor. But how can the defense argue she has BPD when they say she killed because she was a battered woman?? The same jury hears the penalty phase.

      If she gets 1st it is either death or life forever …. no chance at all of parole. Plus, if she gets life forever the taxpayers only have to pay for one more appeal and after that she is on her own. If she gets death …. well, we all suffer thru an ungodly amount of appeals, delays and expense and TA’s family has to suffer along with it.

      The other interesting little tidbit is that this jury is “death qualified”. Meaning, they have each stated they are willing to impose the death penalty. That tends to make them a more “conservative”, “law and order” bunch. Not too many “bleeding heart liberals”, inclined toward sympathy, understanding and maybe rehabilitation are “death qualified”. Interesting …. don’t you think?

      • 04/17/2013 at 1:11 am

        Nutshell answer HJ…

        outcome of this trial xxxx

        appeals only hearings not trials right?

        upheld = new trial right?

        New Trial = Worst Nightmare

        is that it?

    • Crystal Harris
      04/17/2013 at 2:30 am

      If JA is convicted, the only thing an Appeals court will do is determine whether mistakes of law were made. I have an Appeal currently pending regarding child custody, with all briefs filed and oral arguments May 15 (I’m so excited)! My point is that after more than a year of having my case in the Appeals Court, I’ve gotten quite a first hand education. NO new evidence comes in. No jury…only a panel of judges. And they only look at the transcripts from the trial. That’s why you see SO many objections. It’s “for the record”.
      I wouldn’t insult you by arguing with you about your opinion regarding BPD. I just really disagree as to its significance in this courtroom. Jodi already admitted killing Travis. Even if it were proven that Travis did indeed beat Jodi on a regular basis, that is not a license to kill in a US court of law. Neither is having BPD.

    • Family of Law
      04/17/2013 at 2:31 am

      Hi Syn, 1st let me say that I intended no harm earlier today when I reminded us all that the DT and MS are vigilantly watching social media, HLN and in particular, THIS blog. It is glaringly obvious that they have garnered information from here (and elsewhere) and used it in the defense, redirect and recross.

      I have learned a great deal from you, and after reading your post above- I fully understand your fears and concerns re: today’s testimony. I think your concerns are warranted, and you explained them very well. After reading your criteria, I agree with you that a diagnosis of BPD is only a start, that clearly JA is far more than that, and she does fit the criteria you layed out of a sociopath. Like I’ve said many times, JA is someone psychiatrists and psycologists could study for YEARS, and write an entire library on! I dont believe JM is done with this expert- I think he afforded JW just enough rope to hang herself, again, with her half assed attempt to discredit this very credible expert. My layman opinion is that I think Dr. D was a very good witness for the State. She was professional, well spoken, organized and had professional credits well beyond what we (and more importantly, the JURY) endured from LaLa and Dr. Dick. I think Dr. DeMarte also managed to poke a few GAPING holes in the testimonies of the DT’s so-called experts, as well as make a few pointed jabs re: JA’s personal history and behaviors “immature”, “desperate”, “obsessive”, etc, etc. Hey, look on the bright side, I’m certain that the very least today’s expert did was OBLITERATE Dr. Dodgy’s PTSD diagnosis as well as LaToilette’s Battered woman/ DV assessments.

      Im under the impression that the State only needs to prove that the murder was premeditated, and it was committed with the aggravating circumstance in an especially heinous, cruel or depraved manner. I do not believe they need to prove she had any mental disorder to explain WHY she stabbed him multiply, slashed his throat or shot him in the head.

      Hope I explained myself- it’s 1:30am, and I’m not at my sharpest:) Zzzzzzzzz

      • 04/17/2013 at 2:40 am

        Dr DeMarte will run rings around anything the defense can offer up in regards to Dr Dodgy and LaLa. It is Juan’s job here to rebut what the defense has offered up and DeMarte is definitely more than capable of doing just that.

      • 04/17/2013 at 2:41 am

        quote from my above post.

  36. Janet Vernell
    04/17/2013 at 12:32 am

    She is kicking butt. She is succinct and knows what she is doing, Explained ptsd & amnesia etc in a way that everyone could understand. She has Jodis number. Willy will try to unhinge her but the jury knows what they heard and know this abuse garbage is garbage as for the eye guy…give me a break,,so Jodi had n=both hand on the camera , big deal, she drops the camera takes the gun out and/or knife..obviously there was no one else there.

  37. 04/17/2013 at 12:54 am

    Jodi Arias for Dummies (Mikee D)

  38. HJ Madison
    04/17/2013 at 1:30 am

    Syntara :
    Nutshell answer HJ…
    outcome of this trial xxxx
    appeals only hearings not trials right?
    upheld = new trial right?
    New Trial = Worst Nightmare
    is that it?

    Not even hearings …. a bunch of briefs outlining all the “problems” with the first trial. If sufficient …. and I mean really sufficient …. like they can PROVE the jury was watching the news coverage or Nurmi slept thru the trial and never made an objection, something that even we see as “unfair”, then there would be a hearing and the judge (or judges) would have to be convinced what ever problem there was is sufficient to have potentially swayed the jury. Then we get new trial of the guilt phase.

    And don’t forget she has admitted that she killed TA. What it really comes to is do we lock her up and throw away the key? Do we execute her? Do we contemplate letting her out in 20 or 25 years?

    • Anonymous
      04/17/2013 at 1:33 am

      k so basically so long as De Marte can withstand what the defense throws at her in tis trial… the verdict reached will be very hard to overturn?

    • 04/17/2013 at 1:35 am

      K… so HJ basically what you are saying is verdict in this case will be hard to overturn… appeals can go on but they will be only based on what happened in this trial?

      • HJ Madison
        04/17/2013 at 2:13 am

        That is correct. And they can ask for a new trial if new AND COMPELLING evidence comes to light. For example, old specimens now subjected to DNA analysis. In this case, maybe a long lost video of TA’s is found and it contains images of TA beating JA and breaking her finger. Something really extreme. Something that if this jury saw it they may conclude Jodi suffered from PTSD and battered woman syndrome.

        I don’t know the difference between ASPD and BPD but neither preclude her ability to premeditate the murder, right?

        BTW, what time is it where you are?

      • 04/17/2013 at 2:53 am

        Thanks HJ you were right on the point of my post and I appreciate your clarifications. Reassures me a little.

        Much appreciated.

  39. 04/17/2013 at 1:42 am

    hey everyone… This is really interesting… well I think it is… This is mikee D on Dr Dodgy’s original full days testimony regarding Global Transient Amnesia… now I know they ran from this soon afterwards and wasted that whole day not only time but the $$$… but that aside I find this interesting anyhow… Mikee D actually had a personal experience of Global Transient Amnesia and he explains what happened and how it felt. If you are interested… and hey he’s funny anyhow and he rips Dr Dodgy!! sooo….. have a watch of this:


    • Tracey A
      04/17/2013 at 2:30 am

      Oh..look who put in an appearance…

      • 04/17/2013 at 3:20 am

        pfffffft 😛

  40. 04/17/2013 at 2:13 am

    This was so good to finally get an actually DOCTOR! Dr. DeMarte did excellent I thought

  41. 04/17/2013 at 2:20 am

    HJ Madison :
    That is correct. And they can ask for a new trial if new AND COMPELLING evidence comes to light. For example, old specimens now subjected to DNA analysis. In this case, maybe a long lost video of TA’s is found and it contains images of TA beating JA and breaking her finger. Something really extreme. Something that if this jury saw it they may conclude Jodi suffered from PTSD and battered woman syndrome.
    I don’t know the difference between ASPD and BPD but neither preclude her ability to premeditate the murder, right?
    BTW, what time is it where you are?

    No definitely not. But BPD his more towards emotional.. lacks the violent tones of ASPD.. BPD is whingy whiney clinging, manipulative, seductive, over sexed, dissociative blah blah lots Jodi is as Janeen pointed out. So no… pre-mediatated murder more associated with ASPD but definitely BPD does not exclude it.

    Where I am right now its wednesday afternoon 2:20pm

    • Crystal Harris
      04/17/2013 at 2:48 am

      Not to be a stickler, but I believe even the scenario Madison laid out wouldn’t rise to the level of granting a new trial. It has to be HUGE and directly related to the crime. For example, video emerges of someone else killing Travis. Evidence of Travis abusing Jodi doesn’t justify murder, so no trial. There are plenty of battered women in prison cuz juries decided AT THE MOMENT her spouse was killed, she had an alternative. The stats on overturning a criminal conviction are less than 3%…98%+ of all criminal convictions are upheld. Don’t worry. 🙂
      Do you know the conviction rate of the Maricopa County DA? I don’t. But in San Diego County it’s like 95%.

      • NancyB
        04/17/2013 at 3:41 am

        Agree with you Crystal. VERY difficult to get a new trial – especially when every i has been dotted and t crossed as Judge Stephens has done in this trial. Next to impossible, probability wise. Boy, I’d like to read the full letter JA wrote to Travis that came into evidence today. She admitted to breaking down doors, breaking windows etc. That amazed me.

    • Irie Girl
      04/17/2013 at 10:06 am

      My mother-in-law has been diagnosed with, and is in treatment for BPD. I am new here so I don’t know everyone’s background but Syntara you summed her up perfectly, “BPD is whingy whiney clinging, manipulative, seductive, over sexed, dissociative blah blah”. (are you in the mental health field?) She is a 60 year old woman who is constantly sexually inappropriate with any man near her and emotionally exhaustive to people in her family. There are moments when I want to wring her neck, but she is not violent in anyway. I doubt she could be pushed to violence and this woman is an extreme (her doctor described as “textbook”) case requiring hospitalization at times.
      The comparison of her and Arias has caused me to wonder if the sex tape is the piece of evidence that becomes instrumental in people drawing the BPD conclusion.
      Here is my thought, I see the sex as Arias’s only evidence (albeit weak and IMO misinterpreted) of abuse, therefore her sexual relationship with Mr. Alexander has set the tone of this trial. However, IMO sans the sex tape, this is a premeditated rage killing. This level of rage directed outwards (at others) and the ability to think through long term actions to hide the crime rarely accompanies BPD. (again in my limited opinion, I took Abnormal Psych in college, and my MIL is BPD so I have read about the disorder but that is the total of my knowledge so take it at face value)
      I feel like Arias is something different, I can’t put my finger on it because I have never met someone like that, but it is like she has no fear of repercussion. My MIL doesn’t seem to understand civility, decorum, appropriateness….I could gone on forever  but she is acutely aware of the cost of her actions. She then tries to manipulate your reaction to her. If my MIL had been on the stand in this case she would have been a puddle of snot and tears. I have seen her vomit from crying so hard over stupid things, like not wanting to admit she ate the last cookie. (I made that cookie thing up but you get the idea) She has no control of her emotions, Arias seems to be in complete control. Frighteningly in control, so much so that I have this nagging thought that she enjoyed the murder.
      UGG this whole thing is what nightmares are made of…..

      • 04/17/2013 at 10:48 am

        Irie Girl, Im in Behavioural science.

  42. NancyB
    04/17/2013 at 3:35 am

    Jacob Mefford’s wife was the one making mac & cheese in the Hughes kitchen after already telling Jodi why they hated her and that she was not welcome in their home and to get out! Then Jodi sat there blankly starring at Holly for 15 min until she finally left. Both Jacob and Holly will make great witnesses.

    This defense team slays me. First the filed motions in an attempt to preclude the State from referring to Travis as the victim! Judge denied it. Now this motion I do not know what the Judge’s final ruling was and hope someone here knows. This motion is to try to prevent the State from bringing up JA’s lack of remorse during the Penalty Phase, I think.


    • 04/17/2013 at 3:43 am

      Hi Nancy.. as usual thanks for the info.. will be interesting

  43. 04/17/2013 at 3:37 am

    Mickee Daniels on Juan’s Rebuttual and Janeen DeMarte.

    • 04/17/2013 at 9:55 am

      Thanks for posting Syn. Hoe is so funny and spot on…!

    • Grace
      04/17/2013 at 12:41 pm

      Thanks for posting Mickee D’s videos here Syntara. It takes a lot to get me to laugh, so thank you Mickee D.

  44. NancyB
    04/17/2013 at 3:43 am

    Thanks Syn!! I love this guy! 🙂

    • 04/17/2013 at 3:45 am

      hahahah he is awesome isn’t he!!! says all I want but with that accent it’s just beautiful.. he is like my ‘dummy’ in a ventriloquist act… Im soooo glad I found him! I pml constantly watching him.. this one is not as funny cos he isn’t dealing with morons…. but still perfectly on point for me anyhow.

      • Lisa M
        04/17/2013 at 11:09 am

        Absolutely hilarious!

  45. NancyB
    04/17/2013 at 4:11 am

    Syn, I enjoy all his work and most of them have me hysterically laughing in many parts. I adore the Chinese accent! Going to sleep it’s after 1 here. Hugs to you

  46. 04/17/2013 at 6:33 am

    OK finally getting a chance to watch Dr DeMarte’s stuff after being sent to bed last night.

    I’m gobsmacked she scored over 65 in 7 of the 10 clinical scales. OMFG!!!! OMFG!!!!! thats even more extreme than I had thought!!! I mean 4 would unusual.. but 7!!!!!!

    Basically let’s say she’s “off the charts!!

    That would be like… throw a dart … we could call her any of these… *drops list*

    • Crystal Harris
      04/17/2013 at 12:33 pm

      I know! I was like, “How many kinds of crazy is this bitch?” Apparently, she’s 7 of 10 kinds of crazy!
      I mentioned before my husband was elevated on 4 scales…4,2,8,9…with 4 being the highest. I was really hoping to see if you had any insight into that? I’ve never heard anything except from the evaluator. I’ve come to respect your behavioral insights immensely.

  47. kCruz123
    04/17/2013 at 6:43 am

    This may be a repeat but it made me smile.
    (credit: spraycanann “Nurmi, SHUT UP and DANCE Bi+ch! ” )

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 7:32 am

      Thanks, I hadn’t seen this before but it is hilarious especially with the ones in the background moving as well. Wurmi certainly loves to mine that nose of his as it seems to provide an endless treasure trove of goodies for him!!! 🙂

      • kCruz123
        04/17/2013 at 8:01 am

        Good Morning MMD. I thought it was funny to see the ‘chicken wing’ dance to the chicken dance song. Yes, you’d think he’d remember that the finger up the nose will be immortalized on video forever.

    • 04/17/2013 at 9:35 am

      Haha! Couldn’t stop laughing! Brilliant….perfect with my morning decaf!!

  48. 04/17/2013 at 6:53 am

    FYI – I believe these are the 10 clinical scales referred to

    You have a guess at the three she didn’t score over 65 in.. cos I tried and I actually wanted to exclude 5! 😯 which means she is worse than I thought – cos she has extras!!!

    Diagnosis: One farked up mess.

    Scale 1 – Hypochondriasis
    Scale 2 – Depression
    Scale 3 – Hysteria
    Scale 4 – Psychopathic Deviate .
    Scale 5 – Masculinity-Femininity
    Scale 6 – Paranoia.
    Scale 7 – Psychasthenia
    Scale 8 – Schizophrenia
    Scale 9 – Hypomania
    Scale 0 – Social Introversion

    • NancyB
      04/17/2013 at 10:14 am

      I’d say one scale she did not score over 65 would be #6 – Paranoia because Dr D mentioned that she did not find that symptom in another test & #8 because she doesn’t exhibit any symptomatology from that scale. What do you think, Syn?

      • 04/17/2013 at 10:18 am

        I really dont want to guess but I’ll choose one feminine – masculine.. I don’t think she has a problem with feeling like a man ie ambivalent feelings of gender

  49. LindaLou
    04/17/2013 at 7:03 am

    Syn, question for you. I thought I heard yesterday that Dr. D was going to mention that she diagnosed JA with something else but JW objected. I listened again this morning. Please look at this video from croakerqueen – start around the 1:18 mark (near the end).


    JM asks Dr. D about adjustment disorder. I don’t think this would be Dr. D’s diagnosis after looking at the definition but wonder where they were going with it. Any thoughts?

    • 04/17/2013 at 7:42 am

      no I don’t believe so. Adjustment disorders relate to stress, Anxiety related disorders. Dr Marte actually stipulates against this when she describes the loud noises not affecting Arias.

      This would be something that could be related to a PTSD diagnosis and clearly Dr DeMarte rejects that. Therefore I doubt she would diagnose an Adjustment disorder.

    • NancyB
      04/17/2013 at 10:37 am

      Good catch LindaLou! Dr D does say she did diagnose her with adjustment disorder. When she began to explain why, JW objected, beyond the scope and the objection was sustained so we didn’t get to hear why Dr D Dx her with it.

      • 04/17/2013 at 12:06 pm

        Nancy don’t think that’s necessarily so. She starts to say she “diagnosed a……. ” this could mean she was going to reference something else or it could mean she was going to say “I diagnosed an adjustment disorder”

        The fact she says a not an leads me to believe she was going to say something else especiaqlly in view of an adjustment disorder just been virtually ruled out by her testimony immediately prior.

  50. LindaLou
    04/17/2013 at 7:10 am

    Should have said their discussion starts between the 1:18 & 1:19 mark

    • 04/17/2013 at 8:04 am

      LindaLou did you watch the vid I posted below?

  51. 04/17/2013 at 7:22 am

    Please watch the video below to understand why I am concerned by this diagnosis for Jodi. She simply does NOT feel like this and it is an injustice to those that do. Please watch.

    Anna 1699 1 day ago
    I, too abhor the pain that humans cause each other, but BPD is not, as far as I know, about hurting others. Antisocial personality disorder is more about hurting others.

    I guess when BPD people abandon others for fear of being abandoned, that must hurt, but I think BPD people are so out of control of their emotions, that they don’t really want to hurt others, but feel, (mistakenly) that the action which hurts others is their only choice.

    • 04/17/2013 at 7:56 am

      This video was created by someone who REALLY has BPD. It is a personal attempt by her to reach out and explain what it is she lives with every day.

      • HJ Madison
        04/17/2013 at 9:13 am

        Morning Syn. I did not mean to abandon you last night. The sandman got the better of me. But I am very relieved to read this morning that your worries seem somewhat allayed. I was panicked to think Dr. Demarta could somehow have opened the door to “reasonable doubt” letting JA look forward to someday living among us again. Yikes!

        This video was fascinating. But this person has sooooo much insight! Sort of contrary to BPD’s who don’t seem to have anything inside them and thus make themselves so intolerable to live with…. know what I mean?

      • 04/17/2013 at 9:54 am

        As I watched that video, it provoked sympathy in me, of which I have none for JA. I’m sure she would have multiple diagnoses, as we all agree. But this takes me back to JA’s testimony. She NEVER admitted to being angry or feeling resentful when real or imagined hurts were perpetrated on her. It’s obvious that she just stuffs all her true feelings down inside, creating an evil toxic stew in her soul. If Gidget could actually see the real devil that lurks inside of her playmate, she would jump up and run out of that courtroom as fast as that tight fitting skirt would let her. Beware Gidget!

      • 04/17/2013 at 10:03 am

        Janine, she doesn’t have a full range of emotions. Its not a stuffing thing.. it’s simply a case of they don’t exist! This is why BPD is only a partial diagnosis but with the limited time she had a diagnosis of BPD from a good psychologist is certainly understandable. If she continues to monitor her she will change her mind especially when she has a fuller picture.

      • 04/17/2013 at 10:04 am

        And btw, I can actually relate to some of those characteristics of BPD. I had a very painful childhood that also involved abandonment. I understand the strong emotions, the desire to just feel “normal” and how suppressing anger can lead to depression. Thankfully, God found me and gave me hope. Jodi Arias is far more than just BPD.

      • 04/17/2013 at 10:11 am

        Janine, more power to you! It’s truly a terrible set of symptoms I am glad you found some peace.

      • 04/17/2013 at 10:06 am

        Oh, I see. Wow! Talk about an empty soul! That’s pure manipulation then, right?

      • Irie Girl
        04/17/2013 at 10:43 am

        I replied above before seeing this, this is a good video (I also suggest the book Walking on Egg Shells for anyone trying to deal with a BPD.
        One thing I have learned in dealing with my MIL is that the non-BPD person has to set strict boundaries and you have to reestablish them with almost every individual interaction. So, while I have deed empathy for my MIL I cannot allow myself to put that empathy before my own self preservation.
        That statement makes me sound horrible, I know; but it is unfair to be angry because I expect things from her (such as social appropriateness) that she is incapable of understanding. The only alternative is to structure our relationship myself. I liken it to setting rules for a child, you may feel badly that, on a hot day, your 6 year old can’t play in a swimming pool without adult supervision but you understand the long term consequences of such an action. The six year doesn’t see past the immediate result of cooling off and playing with friends. You have to remind him all summer that he can’t go into the pool without you beside him. Every morning you reiterate to protect both of you. Occasionally, he throws a fit and those repercussions are yours to deal with also. He forgets instantly and goes back to video games but your day is completely off track after a half an hour long full blown fit.
        I am sorry I kind of got off on a tangent, the flood gates seldom open about my MIL. I try to keep a lot of it private to protect everyone involved. I think I just realized an on-line support group could possibly be very beneficial, so thanks for that.

      • 04/17/2013 at 10:47 am

        No Irie it doesn’t these people drain you! While it is important to know to a degree, that they are in turmoil that does not give them the right to attach themselves to us like parasites.

        You are very correct (hmmm) I’ll use it anyhow.. yes very correct to keep your established boundaries. Keep doing it!

  52. jad
    04/17/2013 at 7:24 am

    Syntara — I am not familiar with your Australian version of Court procedure. The closest in understanding I have is from the reading of Sir Geoffrey Robertson. However, that seems to be enough that I can say there is a huge difference between the systems. I can understand your concern if this case was one that would be tried with the appeals process your country has established. In this one regard, I am grateful it is not.

    Please remember that this psychologist (Dr. DeMarte) is not permitted to know what you know. You know about the incidents of aggravated stalking in the month of December of 2007, and you know that Jodi Arias slashed the tires (of Travis Alexander’s BMW) twice and the tires of the vehicle belonging to Lisa Andrews (Daidone [in front of her residence]). This particular girlfriend of Travis Alexander is probably lucky it was not her throat [with her head stuffed in a box, as happened to the co-star in the film, Se7en]. You know much more than this Doctor does. Dr. DeMarte does not know about John Doe and the angry message attached to this moniker [that was used in the role played by Kevin Spacey in Se7en] that was attached to that e-mail sent to Lisa Andrews. The prosecutor can not taint his witness, and would not (violate his Rules of Professional Conduct to) share with her what he knows of the accused. All this Doctor knows is what she has gathered during the interview process and some reading of the journals and text messages provided by the State. Thus, the BPD diagnosis would be reasonable, although it is wrong (when considering all of the evidence, which is unavailable to her).

    Did you read donchais report of the events at Trial yesterday? She specifically brought up the manner Dr. DeMarte prepared her report. Most of what she pointed out was in agreement with what you have been saying all along (with the one exception of the BPD diagnosis rather than ASPD+P). She showed Jodi Arias did not suffer PTSD nor did she experience a battered woman’s syndrome. Additionally, both of the experts in the medical field (the social worker LaViolette and the ethically challenged New Jersey psychologist, Richard Samuels,) had misdiagnosed Jodi Arias and in a fashion that was an absolute waste of the taxpayer’s money (since this process is usually done in less than five [billable] hours).

    You were instrumental in showing all of us how Doctor Richard Samuels did not follow proper protocol when amassing his report and readying a surprise presentation. This guy even had the gall to misuse brackets when he displayed an excerpt from a Time magazine article (that WillNot said was necessary to present because the dodgy doctor was dependent on his Power Point Presentation and the associated pictures, as an explanation of the way the brain works). Those are some of my favorite things. So, it would offend me to see such misuse of Round brackets, Square brackets, Angle [or broken] brackets, Curly brackets, and so forth and so on. ;~) This doctor actually committed another fraud when he wrongly used brackets in the retelling of that Time magazine article. (WillNot, the criminal lawyer that had taken an OATH to be obedient to the Rules of the Legal Profession, had first answered the Judge that the words were quotes basically [that were merely being used as an anecdotal example], when the Judge asked if the words were verbatim.) As much as this is a bit of a joke about offense being taken for my brackets, he understood that what he did violated the rules in a manner that would deliberately lead to a misperception of what the Jurors would read.

    Doctor Samuels did something similar when he put the WORD “acclaim” in another part of his Power Point Display, in the stead of the word “claim”. He deliberately placed that word there so that the Jury would believe that the given percentage of defendants really did suffer PTSD. He made it appear that these accused murderers did not [make the simple] claim they suffered PTSD, but that it had already been acclaimed [and therefore accepted that] these accused murderers suffered PTSD (as would Jodi Arias in the same style). Well, surely if this was acclaimed, then these murderers had the right to the defense of PTSD. Ahh — Semantics, Semantics and perception! I like a good play on words, but not in a Court of Law where the person under OATH has asserted there to be a verbatim copying. At least, Dr. DeMarte was absolutely correct that Jodi Arias did NOT suffer PTSD. Maybe the Jurors won’t even bother looking at the fraudulent Power Point Display because they will be able to understand that just about everything about this dodgy doctor has been intentionally corrupted. Indeed you have been right about him — he is guilty of the worst kind of malpractice.

    Doctor Samuels deliberately acted disorganized to cover up his actions when shuffling through the papers he kept. Maybe this can be done with cards, but not with yellow legal or 8 x 10s. His magic trick of pulling the [wascally wabbit] test out of his notebook, when it did not exist in that notebook just before [on the last day of Trial] was an absolute absurdity. He fudged his results to go along with another diagnosis that would match what had been testified to at Trial by Jodi Arias. Furthermore, it is my belief that he was indeed Salvandorun (who had posted on day 31 [03/11/2013] at 1:27 am as # 390), and like greykitty [who was LaViolette], had tested the room to see if their NEWLY FORMED OPINIONS would fly. Salvandorun could only have been Doctor Samuels, unless the person who was posting knew exactly how the diagnosis would be changed, and the odds are astronomical that it would have occurred. (btw — It was because of trying to make a connection to Sally Van Doren that my belief that Cassandra was also LaViolette, because the company she formed, BioSoteria was named after the Greek spirit, Soteria. Since Cassandra also existed in Greek mythology [as a schizophrenic type clairvoyant, able to spurn the most handsome of males], a leap could be made that LaViolette or one of her playmates was posting as such.)

    Neither Alyce LaViolette nor Richard Samuels fared well under the scathing commentary of their skills, provided by Dr. DeMarte. Dr. DeMarte made the Jurors aware that Jodi Arias had to act intentionally in the acts she took when slaughtering Travis Alexander, and anything to the contrary of that view had no credence. There were no ifs, ands, or buts about it. She stated Jodi Arias planned his murder. This could bring about the death penalty. I am in agreement with you about the death penalty being exercised with caution and only in extreme circumstances. This is one of them. Jodi Arias is a budding Ted Bundy. There is no doubt about it. This psychopath needs to be destroyed before she does to another what she did to Travis Alexander. He was a total innocent, and there can never be any rhyme or reason that is accepted that would explain this vicious murder. To allow her to exist is to allow a female version of Ted Bundy to walk this planet. That should not happen.

    You have put your all into teaching every one of us about the subtle differences in various disorders and the dis-ease that the sociopath carries. Too bad you were not around in the beginnings of the spree that Ted Bundy went on. If you were around during the serial killing of Ted Bundy, your warning about this type of creature could have been heard, and he might not have been able to rape, sodomize, and kill so many young, innocent females. A well-written article is in the wikipedia that explains the reasons that Ted Bundy was not even looked at when so many women went missing from areas around Washington and Utah, even though several reputable people called in to detail why he should be the first one interviewed in the disappearances [and a small amount of documented murders]. This is the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy

    Do you know why the astute Detectives refused to investigate Ted Bundy? Take a look at your list, and compare to what has been written in that article at Wikipedia. 1. There was no history of any criminal type behavior of Ted Bundy. Only after an examination into his life was done (after the Florida Court pronounced a sentence of death) did people find out that Ted Bundy had done all types of crazy, including stalk and kill an 8-year old neighbor when he was the 14-year old paperboy. While the article contains the statement that it can not be proven, the father of the young child knew it was him. 2.) Ted Bundy never had any empathy for anybody ever. Here is a quote from that article ““Sociopaths,” prosecutor George Dekle wrote, “are egotistical manipulators who think they can con anybody.” “Sometimes he manipulates even me,” admitted one psychiatrist”. 3.) There was total lack of conscience in Ted Bundy. Here is a quote from that same article “They are devoid of feelings of guilt or remorse, a point readily admitted by Bundy himself. “Guilt doesn’t solve anything, really,” he said in 1981. “It hurts you … I guess I am in the enviable position of not having to deal with guilt”.”

    The King County Police in the State of Washington did not even look into Ted Bundy’s involvement in serial murders because they were dismissive of such a good, clean-cut boy (who had been involved in political campaigns and worked at the suicide hotline and the Washington State Department of Emergency Services (“DES”) in Olympia, a government agency involved in the search for the missing women (he had already raped, sodomized, murdered, and continued to act sexually with their corpses). The article described this as “A composite sketch was printed in regional newspapers and broadcast on local television stations. Elizabeth Kloepfer, Ann Rule, a DES employee, and a UW psychology professor all recognized the profile, the sketch, and the car, and reported Ted Bundy as a possible suspect; but detectives — who were receiving up to 200 tips per day — thought it unlikely that a clean-cut law student with no adult criminal record could be the perpetrator.” After his conversion to the Mormon faith and during his attendance at Law School in Salt Lake City (where several women became victims of Ted Bundy’s lustful ways in life as well as death), this serial killer was again ignored as a possible suspect, after Elizabeth Kloepfer again notified King County Detectives and “called the Salt Lake County Sheriff’s Office and repeated her suspicions. Bundy’s name was added to their list of suspects, but at that time no credible evidence linked him to the Utah crimes”. His demeanor fooled all of the authorities, and if it had not been for outside sources [that never gave up] it is possible this monster would still be on the prowl.

    There is still too little known about psycopathy. Dr. Hare’s work is still waiting a breakthrough, even though there has been over twenty years of solid (research and) proof of exactly how to discover the psychopath [that stalks the innocent and most vulnerable]. It seems like this should have already been at the forefront, since this is the only diagnosis that actually can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Psychopaths are actually BRAIN-DEAD. MRIs show this to be a fact. They walk amongst us in what would be a sleeping state for the normal person. It might be that politicians (or those pulling the strings) do not want this to be known because all of the rotten public servants could be weeded out with just one examination. This would not be like a [Tom Cruise] Minority Report. No one would automatically go to jail if found brain-dead. However, no brain-dead person should be installed in Office, hold any position of power, or be on the government payroll in any position. Right away, most of the Nation’s problems would be solved.

    If the psychopaths and those with ASPD+P were removed, there would not be the dog and pony shows of the Wurmis and WillNots. The moneys the people work so hard for would not be diverted into the pockets of a select few in the name of justice. Nothing would fly under the radar in the name of justice if the brain-dead stayed away from making any decision that would affect the populace.

    Syntara you have taught us so much. Please stay to share more with us. This is something we will not hear anywhere else. It will not be in vain. My belief is that justice will be served. Travis will not have died in vain if the people can be made to recognize just who are the monsters that walk amongst US. His death can be the rallying cry for real justice (not simply the name of justice where sleazy politicians in control of the money, petty crooks [like the dodgy doctor and LaToilettes of the world] in the guise of a good Samaritans, and criminal lawyers insult the intelligence of a fair-minded people.

    If one thing has been proven by this Trial, it is that the Alexander family are a strong bunch, and they can lead the cause. They, of all people, would never want this to happen to anyone else. So, they would work to prevent this tragedy from occurring. If they knew that protection would be in teaching about psychopaths and sociopaths, it seems that they would do it. Before Adam Walsh met such an untimely [gruesome] end, there was very little that existed to alert people of the monsters that walk amongst us. Then, John Walsh carried the banner for his son, and his programming helped to remove many criminals off the streets. Syntara, please continue your work, so that the load will be lighter for those who follow. Before any work in the right direction, education must be in order. Just think how this can all work in unison. Oh what a better world it would be.

    • 04/17/2013 at 9:18 am

      Jad.. Orwell, Huxley were true prophets there are many following different paths in their footsteps. We share the vision but sometimes …… prophet vs profit.. .. I am <fishead(

    • 04/17/2013 at 9:30 am

      Well done, Jad. And Syn…thank you for your amazing insight into these disorders, and for your passion and compassion! Good on ya, mate!

    • Jay
      04/17/2013 at 9:34 am

      “However, no brain-dead person should be installed in Office, hold any position of power, or be on the government payroll in any position. Right away, most of the Nation’s problems would be solved.”

      That would be the end of democracy as we know it… 😆

    • Jay
      04/17/2013 at 9:42 am

      “Please remember that this psychologist (Dr. DeMarte) is not permitted to know what you know”

      When convicted, during the “mitigating” phase of the trial when the Arias defense tries to lessen her sentence, can DeMarte be recalled to testify with the more inclusive info and a more damning diagnosis?

      • HJ Madison
        04/17/2013 at 9:51 am

        Yes I think so, not exactly certain about AZ. It is usually much looser –all that stalking stuff, the doggy door, her behavior in jail …. those pesky ink pens she stuffed in her shampoo bottle!

    • 04/17/2013 at 10:14 am

      by the way – thank you jad I needed that! 😀

    • NancyB
      04/17/2013 at 10:46 am

      Hi JAD! I always enjoy your posts a lot. One correction – Dr. D did know about all the stalking behavior and there was a specific question that Juan asked her about it. I think it was Travis’ instant message where he told a lady friend that he was extremely afraid of JA due to all the stalking behavior. She also heard the 911 tape and probably read the individual detailed police reports from all the friends statements that were summarized in Det Flores report.

    • Lisa M
      04/17/2013 at 11:35 am

      Jad, as always, you are so diligent and expansive in your posts. I didn’t read everything you wrote, I’ll admit, so excuse me if I misinterpret, but I went onto Wikipedia a while back and I spent an hour or so pouring over what they had on Ted Bundy. Oh, the horror! Ted Bundy was a serial killer, though, and Jodi is not a serial killer. (you have to have killed at least three people is my understanding.) Maybe she could become a Ted Bundy, but another difference is that Bundy maintained relationships with women whom he didn’t kill. All his victims were strangers. He also engaged in necrophiliac behavior. So they are very different in that way. BUT where I find a similarity, and I think you were alluding to this, is that she thought, like Bundy, that she would go under the radar. She was absolutely certain that no one would believe that someone like who she appeared to be in the 48 Hours interview (sweet, pretty, demure) would be capable of murder. And I do believe she would have gotten away with that assumption had there not been so much evidence that she was finally forced to admit she did actually kill him and did it by herself. She was so certain of this that she declared no jury would ever convict her. I think we can conclude that she wasn’t as smart as Bundy, based on that assertion. In any case, I totally understand where you’re going re: the DP and all that and how these people need to be removed from society. I just can’t make the leap from Bundy to Arias that completely.
      Also, too, I just want to add, I was shocked at how many times Bundy was able to slip away from the authorities. So often they didn’t have enough on him, and yet they knew he was responsible for the killing(s). He was extremely good at gaming the system.

      • 04/17/2013 at 11:57 am

        LisaM Jad’s point was their psychopathology are very similar.

    • Lisa M
      04/17/2013 at 12:25 pm

      “Psychopaths are actually BRAIN-DEAD. MRIs show this to be a fact.”
      What? Brain-dead means no oxygen going to the brain, so I don’t know how this could be true. According to Wikipedia: “Brain death is the irreversible end of all brain activity (including involuntary activity necessary to sustain life) due to total necrosis of the cerebral neurons following loss of brain oxygenation.”

    • Lisa M
      04/17/2013 at 12:29 pm

      I’m sorry, I think your use of Brain Dead to describe psychopaths is wildly exaggerated. It bothers me because I have personal experience with a loved one who was declared brain dead before she passed away, and it is just not true that anyone who was brain dead would be able to walk around or do anything. I think there might be a better term to use than brain death, which is literally death of the brain because of lack of oxygen.

  53. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 7:25 am

    Morning all! Syn darlin’ you were NOT sent to bed 😦 you put YOURSELF to bed!!!!! In fact, I said, no Syn, please don’t go so pfffffffffft to you!!!!! 😉

    • 04/17/2013 at 8:07 am

      Morning MMD

      • Wendy
        04/17/2013 at 8:30 am

        Morning Syn, MMD, and everyone else!!!

      • 04/17/2013 at 8:31 am

        Hey Wendy 😀

      • MMD
        04/17/2013 at 11:13 am

        Hey Wendy 🙂

  54. kCruz123
    04/17/2013 at 8:44 am

    My thoughts and prayers are with you donchais and to all who have been touched by this tragedy in Boston.

  55. 04/17/2013 at 9:31 am

    HJ Madison :
    Morning Syn. I did not mean to abandon you last night. The sandman got the better of me. But I am very relieved to read this morning that your worries seem somewhat allayed. I was panicked to think Dr. Demarta could somehow have opened the door to “reasonable doubt” letting JA look forward to someday living among us again. Yikes!

    If wurmi and perky combined were 1/2 what Juan is she probably did. But they are useless. So I’m hoping this trial is fine. It was subsequent trials I was most worried about.

    This video was fascinating. But this person has sooooo much insight! Sort of contrary to BPD’s who don’t seem to have anything inside them and thus make themselves so intolerable to live with…. know what I mean?

    I think this girl has a very high iq so is able to self analyse better than most BPD sufferers. Which is sad because to not be able to work out why they do what they do and still feel compelled to do it must be a terrible way to live. I find BPD tragic. I don’t think they are empty they just don’t know how to handle emotion or emotional situations .

    They handle it by crying. Jodi has yet to shed a tear. Well maybe she’s shed 5 I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt on it. A true BPD on that stand would have been through 56674 boxes of tissues by now and probably have been carried out sobbing a few times too.

    • Jay
      04/17/2013 at 9:46 am

      Better for the prosecution she wasn’t able to shed profuse actual tears

      • 04/17/2013 at 9:53 am

        the point is.. she didn’t.

      • 04/17/2013 at 10:23 am

        Jay was talking about the girl who crated the vid being intelligent, not Jodi in case you didn’t realise that.

  56. 04/17/2013 at 9:47 am

    Morning, All. I know most of you have probably already signed the petition for Travi’s Law at Change.org….but I just wanted to let anyone know who hasn’t signed it yet, or is not aware that this petition exists, to sign it when you get a chance. They still need 4, 289 signatures! Thanks.


    • Jill
      04/17/2013 at 11:30 am

      Ty so much for the easy link. I have been meaning to sign but kept procrastinating ..I just signed it…I hope all of us on here will sign this. It took me 20 seconds.

  57. 04/17/2013 at 10:21 am

    janine1256 :
    Oh, I see. Wow! Talk about an empty soul! That’s pure manipulation then, right?

    Oh absolutely pure! that with no conscience is what makes her so dangerous.

  58. Moon
    04/17/2013 at 10:21 am

    Morning ev1. Thank you once again, Donchais and thanks to Ritanita too, for the great recap. I am very thankful that your SIL is safe from the awful disaster in Boston. The crazy and evil in the world these days — well it’s just so hard to believe. Wish we could lock all the monsters up together and let them have at each other and leave the rest of us alone.

  59. NancyB
    04/17/2013 at 10:22 am

    Remember this article from Dr. Kristina Randle’s blog:


    I have been asked by Dr. Randle to provide a written summary to some of the more important questions pertaining to the Jodi Arias case. I have followed the Arias case very closely, having watched all of the testimony and having familiarized myself with available background information.

    My background is as a clinician and a college professor. I have no interest in the criminal justice system. My interest in this case is as a clinician. Jodi Arias is an admitted perpetrator of a horrendous killing. She not only killed Travis Alexander but did so in a monstrous fashion. She shot him near his right temple with a .25 caliber bullet which according to the medical examiner traveled through and destroyed the frontal lobes of his brain and ended in the left sinus cavity below the eye. She also stabbed him 29 times. Her most brutal act was savagely cutting all of the soft tissue of his throat. The wound which went from ear to ear, was 3 to 4 inches deep and ended at his spinal column. Reports indicated that he was nearly decapitated. The savagery of her acts are important in providing a diagnosis of her condition. The second thing of great importance, is her lying.

    Her lying is not of the typical variety. Much of the negative reaction that the public has to her emotional demeanor is due solely to the manner in which she lies. She lies with the greatest of sincerity. When I discuss her lying, I am only discussing and basing my discussion upon her admitted lies. I am not judging the veracity of her current testimony. I am not saying that she is lying based on my own judgment but instead based on her own admittance.

    She has admitted that the information offered by her in the video interviews was deceitful, misleading, and outright lies. If you could only do one thing to familiarize yourself with the Jodi Arias case, it should be to watch her 48 Hour interviews. If you were to watch these interviews you would see a very calm, relaxed, confident, often smiling, very sincere, woman. You would see a woman whose competence and composure would suggest her innocence. Wouldn’t a liar be nervous, fearful and emotionally unsteady? Jodi was none of those things. It is a reasonable conclusion on your part to believe that a normal person would be, that you would be. That is why Jodi’s ability to lie is of paramount diagnostic importance.

    Understanding The Nature of Psychiatric Diagnosis

    When looking at diagnoses, how they are interpreted, how they are given, it is most important to always remember that a diagnosis is actually a categorization of symptoms. It would be nice to believe that diagnoses are completely consistent between therapists but studies show this not to be true. It would also be nice to say that there is universal agreement around the world on mental illness diagnoses and categories but this is also not true. The United States of course uses the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM). Most of Europe uses the International Classification of Diseases (ICD). Other places in the world have other systems.

    When we attempt to categorize or diagnose Jodi Arias, we must allow for inconsistent diagnoses. I have heard many so-called experts provide a diagnosis for Jodi Arias and though there is room for vagary, many of the diagnoses appeared to be quite incorrect.

    The Experts

    So who do you believe? There are many experts. I would like you to ask, “how expert are the experts?” It seems as if anyone with a suitable degree, a master’s degree perhaps and most certainly a PhD, is an expert. You must remember that there are many thousands of these degrees given every year adding up to a great many experts in the last 10 years, and many more going back 25 years. There are plenty of experts to go around. I would suggest, rather than choosing the expert du jour, that you make your own diagnostic determination. I intend to use the DSM and the ICD to some degree, to guide you in making your own diagnostic determination.

    I will use my own experience and expertise to narrow the search. I will insist however that, though I will provide my own logical processes and conclusions, you must come to your own determination and final diagnosis.

    The Limits of Diagnoses

    There are many clinicians and theorists who would insist that all labeling is limited, inconsistent and at best a necessary evil. Diagnoses are a shorthand way to communicate a particular patients or clients mental health state to another clinician or professional who is familiar with the shorthand system. It is much easier to refer to someone as a schizophrenic than it is to describe all of their behavior and symptoms. To read a diagnosis of borderline PD or narcissistic PD is quite communicative. It says a lot. I acknowledge the limitations of labeling but having said that nonetheless there is a necessity for labeling. It’s imperfect and we do not have universal agreement about a particular diagnosis or about a particular mental illness.

    I would like to begin by saying that most professionals would agree that Jodi Arias displays symptoms and behaviors that would fall within two or perhaps three diagnostic codes. These would be in order; antisocial personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder and (though I would strongly disagree) borderline personality disorder. Though I disagree with borderline personality disorder, I will show the logic that leads some to this conclusion.

    First I would like to show the consistencies of Jodi’s behavior with antisocial personality disorder. Most important, as you will see if you check the DSM, is lying. You can read all about this on the Internet or in multiple volumes at your local library. If you do so and I would encourage you to do so, please read more than the explanation offered in the DSM. You must recognize that the DSM must be brief or if not the DSM would become voluminous, unwieldy and of little practical value. Please check the DSM for accuracy but also read case histories, examples and explanations that are offered by other writers.

    I will provide you my own explanations and interpretations, the same ones that I use in the classroom, to aid in your understanding. I provide this to you, as I would my students, as an aid to understanding. I am not suggesting that it should take the place of your outside reading or research. You should arrive at your own “expert” diagnosis. It is you who should be logically satisfied.

    First, check the DSM-IV-TR for its categorization of lying. Next, read what you can about the particular type of lying that is done by the person with antisocial personality disorder. In the next paragraph, I will explain and give examples of the type of lying that is associated with antisocial personality disorder. Students like examples, perhaps you will to.

    Lying and Lack of Conscience

    If someone were to tell me about their child’s consistent lying and that this lying has become problematic, my first concerns would be towards the possibility of antisocial personality disorder. Technically, according to the DSM, a child cannot be labeled antisocial, they must be 18 years of age to earn such a designation. However, practically speaking and clinicians must be practical for they are practitioners, antisocial personality disorder persons do not magically appear after their 17th year of life.

    Before we look at the nature of the lying, it would be best to look at what motivates it. For many professionals, if they were asked to provide the shortest possible description of antisocial personality disorder, they would say “a lack of conscience.” Conscience has no scientific explanation. It has never been weighed or objectively measured. However, there is a practical if not scientific understanding of conscience. I will proceed using the commonly held understanding of conscience.

    The Bad Seed

    Someone with antisocial personality disorder, appears to have no conscience or at least a conscience that can be turned on and off when it suits the needs of the individual. Since we are looking at a culturally held understanding of conscience and in the case of the antisocial, the lack thereof, it might be best to look at a movie. The 1956 movie The Bad Seed, is perhaps the perfect example. A mother has a beautiful eight-year-old daughter and throughout the film it becomes apparent that the daughter has no conscience. The daughter lies constantly, in a manner that is quite consistent with the person with antisocial personality disorder. The daughter also commits heinous acts of evil, all for her own self-interest. She appears to have no concern for the life or well-being of others. It was reported that moviegoers cheered wildly in the movie theater, when the beautiful eight-year-old girl is killed by a lightning bolt at the end of the film. One could conclude that symbolically God did smite this little girl because he was smiting evil.

    I’ve spoken to many individuals, colleagues included, who have (or at least have expressed to me) a revulsion towards Jodi Arias. This is not surprising to me because as social creatures the antisocial is anathema. Just as antimatter is the opposite of matter and will lead to its annihilation, the antisocial is the opposite of the social and would lead to the destruction of the social creature and society at large. Antisocial personality disorder is fairly rare, estimated to affect less than 1% of the population. If the percentage was greater it would certainly be destructive to society and if the numbers were greater still it would make society an impossibility. How could you sit in a movie theater, with your back turned towards others, when antisocial persons could be behind you and if they were, they would harm you for their benefit, without hesitation.

    Ted Bundy

    When Ted Bundy was interviewed he spoke of the women that he dated and intended to kill, that he did not kill. In one such example, when asked why he did not kill a particular woman, he said that he intended to and had driven her to the designated spot but that it had begun to rain and he did not want to get wet or get his shoes muddy. Her life meant nothing to him but the inconvenience of muddy shoes did. Could you sit in a college classroom if 10% of the population was antisocial?

    As you do your research into antisocial personality disorder, please recognize that persons with this disorder do not always turn to a life of crime and do not always end up in prison. You will find confirmation of the fact that they sometimes become very successful businessman and women. Having no conscience, having no hesitation to lie and having no reluctance to harm others, can be a great asset to the success of a business man or woman.

    The Diagnostic Significance of Jodi’s Unique Ability to Lie

    Ms. Arias, compared to the normal individual, has a unique ability to lie. She lies, not always but always when it benefits her. It is the manner in which she lies which is the most revealing. A review of her video interviews will clearly demonstrate this. We first must recognize as we watch those videos, that she knows that she is lying. We don’t have to judge whether or not what she is saying is true because she has admitted that everything she said, in those interviews, was a lie. In the interviews she appears to be calm, serene, witty and charming. Wit and charm are characteristics of an individual with antisocial personality disorder. Both the wit and charm are used to manipulate others. Manipulating others is also characteristic of the antisocial.

    Lack of Remorse or Guilt

    You will also see in her interviews and court testimony that she describes the flattery that she used with Travis Alexander and admitted that she said it because he liked to hear it. In her recorded phone sex tape, you will hear her using great degrees of flattery when speaking to Travis. Again, this flattery is simply an attempt to deceive and manipulate Mr. Alexander. What is lacking, in the antisocial, is honesty, integrity, morality and concern for the well-being of any other. The antisocial does not show remorse because of course they do not feel remorse. If you simply do not care about the well-being of another, or for that matter any other, you cannot feel and will not feel guilt or remorse after having harmed them.

    Checking the DSM, will show that a lack of guilt or remorse is also characteristic of the antisocial. Many people have commented on the fact that Jodi Arias seems to have inappropriate emotional responses. I would suggest to you that in her interviews and court testimony, what makes her emotional responses appear to be odd is that she does not show or apparently feel any guilt or remorse. I should clarify the fact that she does appear remorseful about the things that she has done which have resulted in harming herself. However, when discussing Mr. Alexander she does not display guilt or remorse. The fact that she has admitted to the brutal slaying of Mr. Alexander, means that she is responsible for the loss of his life and for all the pain and suffering he endured that led to his death. Even if, as she contends, her actions were in self-defense she still is responsible for all of his pain and suffering and the loss of his life.

    For a normal individual, killing someone by accident or in self-defense will still result in feelings of remorse and guilt. Even when killing someone is a necessity, for instance in the case of a police officer or soldier, there will be a resulting emotional consequence. You may or may not be aware of this but in recent wars, more soldiers have died as a result of suicide than have died in combat.

    It is commonly difficult for police officers to live with the fact that their actions, even when necessary to save an innocent life, have resulted in the death of another. Even if Jodi Arias was forced to kill Travis to save her own life, she should feel great sadness and remorse. It is up to you to decide if she is displaying remorse. In my opinion, she is not. Since I have brought up her self-defense plea, it would be negligent of me not to mention issues pertaining to the legitimacy of such a plea.

    The Self-Defense Plea

    Using self-defense to protect yourself from the attack of another is only legitimate when “sufficient” force is used. Anything beyond sufficient force is not acceptable as an explanation for self-defense. It might very well be true that a wife was about to strike her husband in the face with a closed fist. If this were true and he were in danger, he would have the right, the legitimate right, to stop her attack. Obviously, though he has the right to stop her attack, he does not have the right even when attacked, to pick up a knife and stab her. He most certainly does not have the right to cut her throat or shoot her in the head. Self-defense has at its core the implicit understanding that only sufficient force be used to protect one’s self from danger.

    Excessive Force

    In the Jodi Arias case, greatly excessive force was used. One cannot explain Jodi’s actions using the explanation of self-defense. It should be obviously true to anyone, perhaps with the exception of her defense team, that her actions cannot be explained by an argument of self-defense. The medical examiner testified that the bullet, that Jodi has admitted firing into the head of Travis Alexander, resulted in the exploding of the frontal lobes of Mr. Alexander’s brain. According to his testimony, Mr. Alexander would have instantly become unconscious. Once unconscious, Mr. Alexander would be no threat to Jodi Arias. In the 29 stab wounds that Jodi Arias inflicted upon Travis, one of the wounds sliced a large blood vessel of the heart — the vena cava. The wound would have severely incapacitated Mr. Alexander. It would have caused him to bleed to death and upon its infliction, Mr. Alexander would no longer have been a threat to Jodi Arias.

    At some point, Ms. Arias cut Mr. Alexander’s throat from ear to ear. As I had mentioned earlier, all of the soft tissue had been cut and according to court testimony, Mr. Alexander had been nearly decapitated. According to the medical examiner’s testimony, within seconds of having had his throat cut, Mr. Alexander would have been rendered unconscious and thus no longer a threat to Ms. Arias. In essence, Jodi Arias killed Travis Alexander three times. Any one time would have been sufficient to render Travis Alexander a harmless threat to Ms. Arias.

    Ms. Arias’ defense team is aware of the excessive violence, that is inconsistent with a self-defense plea and that is why they have brought up the battered spouse syndrome. The battered spouse defense is their attempt to explain the horrendous violence that Jodi admittedly committed to Travis Alexander. The purpose of this writing is to help the reader understand the mental health state of Jodi Arias, in other words to answer the question “what mental illness does Jodi Arias suffer from?” Again it would be negligent, to bring up battered spouse syndrome, without providing at least a small explanation.

    Battered Woman Syndrome/ Battered Person Syndrome

    Perhaps the most important thing that I could say, is that there is no diagnostic code for this disorder contained within the DSM. The ICD, does have a diagnosis code for Battered Person Syndrome (BPS). Battered wife, battered woman, battered spouse, abused spouse, abused woman, battered person syndrome, domestic violence, all have been used in writings and in the legal system to describe roughly the same thing.

    There are very specific diagnostic criteria for the diagnosis of avoidant personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder and borderline personality disorder. All are clearly spelled out and delineated within the DSM. Battered person syndrome (BPS) is not as easily defined or delineated.

    This disorder does have identifying characteristics and the term is used by the public and in the legal system. It remains controversial among many professionals. There is however, a description of the BPS in the ICD. We will look at those characteristics, even though it is the DSM that is used for diagnostic purposes in the United States and not the ICD.

    I can assure you, since there is so much controversy and disagreement about the very existence of a battered person syndrome or battered woman etc., that what I am about to write will be acceptable to some clinicians and not to others. However, I think that there is a common understanding of a battered spouse and though that understanding may be inaccurate, it is still used as a legal defense. Here is how it is commonly used and understood. A person, usually a woman or a wife, undergoes a lengthy period of mental and physical abuse. Often this abuse takes place in a loving relationship. Most characteristic of this situation is that the abused cannot end the abuse by leaving. In other words, leaving the abuser will not provide safety or end the abuse. There are many reasons why the abused cannot leave the abuser. There are physical threats from the abuser of severe repercussions towards the abused or their families. The abused may not have anywhere to go to. They simply can’t leave. This may be due to a lack of money, family, friends, or the necessary convictions to leave.

    The question becomes, in the legal system, could the victim of the abuse have ended the abuse by leaving? That is by far the most important question. Remember in this country, killing your spouse, no matter how abusive they may have been, is never a justified form of payback. It’s not as if the court system is saying, “prove they were really abusive people and it’s okay if you have killed them.” The real question that the court is asking is “was there any other way to stop the abuse other than by killing them?” If the victim of the abuse could be reasonably assumed to have had the ability to leave, then almost always they are found guilty.

    According to the testimony of Jodi Arias, she never lived with Travis. So in that regard they were independent. Also according to her testimony, she was always financially independent of Travis, so she did not need Travis Alexander’s money to survive. She also claimed, according to her testimony, that she had determined that she did not want to marry Travis and that she was happy that he had found someone that he did want to marry. This would indicate that she was not psychologically and not emotionally dependent upon Travis Alexander.

    All of this proves, that Jodi Arias had the power (physically and psychologically) to leave Travis Alexander and end the supposed, alleged abuse. We don’t need to hypothesize about whether or not she had the power to leave, she did in fact leave. She moved over 1000 miles away from Travis. This is not conjecture or theory, it is simple fact. She had the money to move (from her mother). She had a place to move to, her grandparents home in Yreka. She also rather quickly found employment in Yreka.

    Virtually No Evidence of Abuse in the Arias Case

    The first qualifier for the battered person syndrome, is that some battering has to have occurred. Jodi has no evidence whatsoever of physical injury, to her person, having come as a result of the actions of Travis Alexander. She has told us rather convincingly of Travis having abused her. Her testimony was filled with sincerity, tears and emotion. However, neither her sincerity or tears or emotion was any greater than that which she displayed in her 48 Hour interviews, when she dramatically told us of the two ninjas who put the gun to her head and pulled the trigger and later brutally killed Travis. She also told us, that because of what occurred to her, at the hands of the two ninjas, she was horribly traumatized, frightened and thus did not go to authorities. During the two nationally televised 48 Hour interviews, her tears were wet, her fear was palpable and her sincerity was unquestionable, even though every word she said was a lie.

    There were no ninjas. There was no gun put to her head. No one ever threatened her or her family. As you observe her, in those nationally televised interviews, please remember that every word that escaped her lips, every saddened glance downward, every emotion, was a lie. We know that, because Jodi Arias has admitted that.

    She has testified to a surprisingly small amount of alleged abuse, suffered at the hands of Travis. I am not suggesting that any amount of abuse is acceptable but instead I’m saying that the amount, she has testified to, is surprisingly small when compared to that of a battered woman or spouse etc. The number of incidents, which she claims came as a result of Travis’ abuse, is surprisingly low.

    Of course, she has no evidence of any abuse. By contrast the battered woman has not just five or six incidents of abuse but instead hundreds, perhaps thousands. And as for evidence of abuse, the battered woman has broken bones, broken ribs, a crooked nose, broken teeth and medical records to prove it. Her friends and family can also attest to the strange bruising, which they observed, and she explained away as another example of her clumsiness.

    Does Jodi Have Borderline or Narcissistic Personality Disorder ?

    Does Jodi Arias suffer with BPD? This seems to be the most popular diagnosis given by those in the public eye. Most experienced clinicians would disagree. I could waste your time by repeating and explaining the diagnostic criteria that can easily be found in the DSM-IV-TR. I would suggest if you are seriously interested in the criteria, you can easily find them on the Internet. I will instead, give you a clinical picture of someone with BPD.

    Clinical Picture of Someone With BPD

    Persons with BPD have great difficulty moving out of their home and into the world, alone. For instance, they oftentimes have great difficulty moving away to college. They often will struggle, return and then have to attend a local college or university. They have a great fear of abandonment. A hallmark characteristic of BPD is self-mutilation. This often goes beyond simple cutting. It may involve using a knife or scalpel to carve their boyfriends initials into their arm or thigh. Or using a lit cigarette to burn the initials deep into their skin.

    Their love relationships alternate, within their mind, between idealization and total devaluation. If we look at Jodi’s journals, we can see no sign of this fluctuation. Her relationship with Travis appeared to be fairly steady. There was very little fluctuation in how she describes the relationship or how she wrote about the relationship in her journals.

    We have not heard or read from her journals, that Jodi engaged in any type of self-mutilating behavior.

    Jodi was not at all afraid to move from home. She had jobs in cities far from home. She lived with Darryl for a number of years before leaving him for Travis. She has testified to the fact that she had broken up with most of her boyfriends, including Travis. It was her decision to move back to Yreka. This all shows a level of independence that is not characteristic of BPD.

    Borderline people act impulsively. They do so because it gives them immediate relief from the extraordinarily intense emotions that they may feel. This impulsivity is more likely to cause self-harm than harm to others. They might, in a fit of rage, pick up a gun and shoot someone but there is no premeditation. Remember, their acts are impulsive, they are spur of the moment actions. They are emotionally impulsive. They would not steal a gun a week before they shoot someone. They would not borrow and purchase gas cans, so as not to leave a trail of receipts that would link them to the murder scene. They would not remove the battery from their phone so that there would be no record of cell phone pings from the towers in Arizona. The borderlines’ actions show no preparation, no planning, no scheming. They are impulsive. Their actions show this impulsivity. It is a hallmark characteristic of their disorder. They would not premeditate a murder. Jodi, most certainly premeditated her murder of Travis and this alone, disqualifiers her from a diagnosis of borderline PD.

    Why Antisocial Is More Fitting Than BPD

    So far we have focused on characteristics of BPD which Jodi doesn’t have. Let’s look at a characteristic that she does possess, which is not characteristic of BPD. Lying, is not characteristic of BPD, especially not the massive lies and deceptions generated by Ms. Arias. The type of pathological lying that typifies Jodi’s history is not characteristic of BPD but is instead the key characteristic of antisocial personality disorder. If we listen to Jodi’s trial testimony, she appears to have no empathy for Travis or her mother or her father. In all likelihood she is incapable of feeling empathy. In one of her television interviews, she cries and talks about all the things that she will now miss out on in her life. Her sadness, when displayed in interviews or on the witness stand, comes from the pain that she has caused herself. It is a “woe is me,” type of sadness. She appears to have no realization of what she has done to Travis or his family. She appears to have no guilt.

    After coming out of the “fog” for the first time, on her way to Hoover Dam, she said she thought ”something really bad had happened” and then went on to say “that she had really screwed up.” This is a far cry from a normal person who would have been overwhelmed at having massacred another human being. Remember, this was not a fight where someone shoots her lover three times or stabs him in a fit of anger but instead was a true massacre. We know that she shot him in the head and stabbed him 29 times in the chest, head and back.

    However, the most telling thing was the cutting of his throat. Keep in mind, Jodi had no medical equipment with her to determine the extent of the injuries that she had just inflicted on Travis. Were the shooting and the 29 stab wounds enough to kill him?

    It is safe to assume that when you shoot someone in the head and then stab him 29 times, you want that person dead. It is a safe assumption. It is a reasonable conclusion. However, nothing is more demonstrable of your intentions than to cut someone’s throat.

    Some people live after being shot in the head. Some people survive 29 stab wounds but no one survives having their throats cut, ear to ear. That was her act of finality. There is no doubt that slitting someone’s throat is murder. It cannot be self-defense. It is an act of execution.

    In none of her police testimony or her court testimony, is there a sign of remorse on the part of Jodi Arias. She seems to have no understanding of the gravity of her actions. She has no guilt, in fact her defense is that she is “not” guilty. The lack of empathy, remorse and guilt is not at all characteristic of BPD but instead is the very core of antisocial personality disorder.

    Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD)

    The very last personality disorder that I will discuss in this paper is narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). In the media, “experts” that are interviewed often diagnose Ms. Arias as having NPD. Again, all of the diagnostic criteria are available online and if you’re interested in the specifics, please take the time to look them up. Instead of listing them one by one and explaining them, I will instead give you an example of someone with NPD. I would also like to mention that in the clinical world, the narcissist is often considered a therapist’s nightmare.

    Every good therapist, gives their all for each client. I have known many good therapists and I can assure you that is true. They try their best, they hold nothing back and they truly care about their clients. It’s not that the problem of narcissism makes the narcissistic client difficult, it is the behavior of the narcissistic client that makes them difficult to deal with.

    The narcissist believes that they are among the elite that walk this earth and that they deserve to be recognized as such and treated as such. They also have little compassion for those beneath them and that can often include their therapist. They are incredibly demanding. They expect to be treated like the royalty that they believe themselves to be. They can believe that they are not only attractive but the most attractive person in the world. They expect to be recognized as such by the therapist and seek admiration from the therapist.

    They will ask questions to the therapist such as “I am the most beautiful client you have, aren’t I?” Or say things to that end, like “I felt so bad for the bride because when I walked into the room everyone ignored her and looked at me. How should I have handled that?”

    Narcissists have fantasies of unlimited success, unlimited power, and unlimited achievement. When in love, they will describe it as “a love never before felt by a human being.” It’s not that they consider themselves to be the best, the highest one in the world, etc. but that they believe that they belong to a very special class of the elite. They belong to a group that is few in number and is superior to the rest of the human race.

    They might accept the coffee offered by the therapist, in the white foam cup. At the next visit however, they might bring their own special ceramic mug that they expect the therapist to keep clean and have available for them, at all future visits.

    They are, interpersonally exploitative. That means that they can take advantage of you in relationships. They can expect you to drive them somewhere or pick them up when their car is in the shop. Remember, I said expect you to, not ask you to. They just take it for granted that you would want to please your king or queen. They might ask you to pick up a few things for them at the grocery store. Expect you to deliver them, and then show their disdain towards you, if you can’t do it soon enough to please them. After having gone out of your way, purchasing the groceries, delivering the groceries, they might become annoyed with you if you were to ask to be reimbursed for the groceries. After all, aren’t you being ungrateful, since your queen has allowed you to be of service to her? Yes, they can be interpersonally exploitative but that does not mean interpersonally explosive. There is no mention in the DSM-IV-TR, of them lying, deceiving, killing, being violent or aggressive.

    Sociopaths, Psychopaths and Antisocial Personality Disorder

    Remember, when we talked about sociopaths, psychopaths and antisocial personality disorder? No matter what you may have heard on the Internet or television, no matter how many degrees that the expert interviewed possesses, no matter how many advanced years of experience they may have, there is no diagnosis code in the DSM-IV-TR for psychopath or sociopath. The diagnosis, in the DSM-IV-TR, that would describe the behavior that the public is referring to as psychopathy or sociopathy, is antisocial personality disorder.

    Many of the characteristics that Jodi Arias is displaying, when looked at superficially, are reminiscent of narcissism and BPD. But that’s as far as it goes. A deeper analysis would take a diagnostician beneath the superficial similarities and bring them clearly to a diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder. Many of the behaviors of Jodi Arias, which has caused the TV experts to diagnose her as borderline or narcissistic, can be better understood and are fully contained within a diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder. In other words, her concern for her appearance, her fixation on Travis, her inappropriate and seemingly limited emotional responses (blunted affect) are all characteristic of the antisocial.

    Blunted Affect

    I would like to take a minute to discuss something that many people see in Jodi’s behavior and are describing as “blunted affect.” It is not blunted affect. It is instead, inappropriate affect. Dr. Samuel’s testified that when he spoke to Ms. Arias about her killing of Travis, she didn’t respond appropriately. He expected a more intense response. Let me explain blunted affect with an analogy. Think of normal emotional responses, like a mountain range. The peaks of the mountains are high and the valleys that separate them are low. How high and low are they? They are normally high and normally low, as you would expect to see in the average mountain range.

    That normal mountain range is analogous to normal human emotions. Now let’s imagine a different mountain range, where the mountain tops are not high, not nearly as high as normal and the valleys are not deep, not nearly as deep as normal.

    That is blunted affect. The differences between the highs and the lows are not as big as they should be, in a normal mountain range or in normal human emotional responses.

    If someone told you that your beloved mother was just killed in a car crash, assuming that you are normal, we would expect to see a very strong emotional response from you. However, that is just our expectation. Your response might be different. You might have a blunted response or a less intense response than we would expect. We are simply comparing your response to what we would expect the average response to be.

    If you responded the way would we would expect most people to respond, then we consider your response to be normal. If you respond differently, we would think your response was odd or abnormal. This however, does not mean that we were right in our assumption that your response was inappropriate. Perhaps, your mother had been a very bad mother and you did not love her at all. Then, your less intense response to the news of your mother’s death, or what some would call blunted affect, was quite normal and completely appropriate.

    When Dr. Samuels talked to Jodi Arias about her killing of Travis Alexander, her responses were less intense than Dr. Samuels expected and thus he called it blunted affect. I would contend that Jodi Arias’ responses were quite normal and appropriate for someone who has antisocial personality disorder.

    Antisocials, have no empathy. They do not have the ability to feel what another is feeling or perhaps they do but they simply don’t care what another feels. They care only about themselves and what benefits them.

    Jodi cares about Jodi.

    Does she now wish that she had not killed Travis?

    Yes, most certainly so but it’s not because she stole his life from him and left a gaping wound in the lives of those who loved him. That’s not what she cares about. What bothers her and brings her to tears, at times, is the fact that she is unhappy being in prison.

    She’s not having fun and she doesn’t like it. That’s what’s bothering her. This is typical of the antisocial. When discussing the killing of Travis, she uses expressions like “crap, I really screwed up.” Not expressions like “Dear God, forgive me for what I’ve done.”

    She really doesn’t care about Travis, she never did. He was a means to an end. He was a way to get what Jodi wanted. He was an object to be manipulated. Dr. Samuels should not have been surprised by her shallow response. She didn’t have much of a response because she just doesn’t care very much about having killed him.

    If we were standing together, and someone came up and told us that your mother was killed, you most probably would have a very strong response. You loved her. Her death and her loss matter very much to you.

    As we were standing there, listening to the news of your mother’s death, I would have had a very shallow response. I did not know your mother. I did not love your mother and I am not feeling a loss. I care much more about the pain that you are now in, than the loss of your mother, someone I did not know.

    Both of our responses were normal. Yours, because you cared and mine because I did not. Jodi’s shallow response was also normal. Normal for someone who simply didn’t and doesn’t care.


    • Family of Law
      04/17/2013 at 11:19 am

      Good morning Nancy:) WOW! This was an extremely good read over my morning coffee- it really gave me chills in several places! It also affirms my understanding that psychology is a science that is very subjective to the individual doctor’s interpretation of the individual they are treating- I know next to nothing about the science, but it appears that ASPD is a very accurate description of JA- But I think it’s also quite possible she fits into other categories in addition to that- I’ve personally never seen anyone like her. Thank you for posting this:)

    • Grace
      04/17/2013 at 12:14 pm

      Thank you Nancy B for this information. Dr. Randle is spot on in her evaluation.

  60. Moon
    04/17/2013 at 10:24 am

    regardless of the diagnosis…… EVIL IS EVIL.

    • Jay
      04/17/2013 at 11:51 am

      I agree.

    • 04/17/2013 at 11:54 am

      We live in a time where there is a diagnosis to explain away every type of bad behavior. “Hey, it’s not my fault…I suffer from… “ Pfft!

      As you noted, “Evil is Evil.” Sadly, many are “much too advanced” to come to this archaic conclusion in our present society. Accepting responsibility for one’s actions is so 20th Century.

      • Crystal Harris
        04/17/2013 at 12:47 pm

        I just read an article discussing how the new DSM-V puts half of Americans under a diagnosis.
        Lovely. We’re all crazy now I guess.

  61. NancyB
    04/17/2013 at 10:27 am

    I saw Dr Drew last night and his whole panel (1forensic psychologist & 1 clinical psychologist) except for one, all agreed with the BPD diagnosis except for the criminologist! She defined all the symptoms of ASPD but called her a psychopath.

    • Crystal Harris
      04/17/2013 at 12:48 pm

      Jodi can be both. They’re not mutually exclusive.

  62. Sam Fox
    04/17/2013 at 10:30 am

    “I smell bacon!” Too funny and so spot on!

  63. jad
    04/17/2013 at 10:32 am

    Dr. DeMarte is doing a good job of discrediting two of the expert witnesses hired by the criminal lawyers on the defense team of Jodi Arias [at taxpayer expense]. On day thirty-one of Trial testimony, the expert witness, a dodgy doctor described as a licensed psychologist (in the State of Arizona, able to charge an extremely gross amount of money), presented himself to be sworn. Accordingly, after the OATH was taken, he gave sworn testimony about certain matters.

    This is the same day he spewed his garbage of unintentionally leaving out necessary criteria for the diagnosis he said he had formulated one month before a date he spoke to the prosecutor (in November of last year [when they were finishing with discovery]). Good thing for the defense the criminal lawyer, WillNot, was there to bring to his attention other criteria he also omitted, that he could claim [under this lawyer’s embrace] he had meant to write down. You might remember seeing this and wondering why this expert witness seemed to be so convoluted and also wonder why the doctor would be writing on a report with his pencil. This did not seem to be out of sorts for this expert witness [to create pencil doodles on the evidence], who replied it was only his report [upon which he continued to scribble while in the witness stand], when questioned by the prosecutor. This doctor did not seem to realize that [if need be for certification of the evidence] the prosecutor could send those papers to be examined for recognition of the mark of the copier. If a different machine was used in the copying process (than can be documented for the other papers), the doctor would be guilty of tampering with evidence in a capital one murder case (which would mean he could lose more than his license, if criminal charges were filed and he were to be found guilty). At the time the prosecutor noticed what was occurring WillNot, a criminal lawyer, picked up speed with her words and then fumbled them, while Wurmi busied himself in looking away by shiftily staring at the floor. This type of reaction to testimony a lawyer knows or should know is false would not prevent a lawyer from being sanctioned by the Bar (which could include suspension of one’s license or disbarment).

    Shortly thereafter, the dodgy doctor exclaimed he had received a second confirmation on his diagnosis when (wonder of wonders, after Jodi Arias told him she had PTSD) he noticed she had tested high on the Milan test he had given her. Therefore, he declared one test he gave her could be used [by him] to confirm the results of the first test he gave her. This would lead him not to send either test to an outside source [for examination and review] because he already received his confirmation on the diagnosis his [pathological liar of a] client had told him that he had confirmed (on her word alone). Then, when he sent one of the [two separately recognized] tests to be scored electronically, the electronic scoring was recognized as a second opinion to him. This further confirmed the opinion of PTSD that his client had told him about — that he had been agreeable to and had already confirmed on tests (where he filled in the forms himself rather than risk the client filling the forms out incorrectly and messing up the second opinion and all of the confirmations he had received from himself). He scored the 49-question clinical MCI-test himself, as he felt no need for an outside source to check the bubbles that he himself had filled out with his favorite medium, an erasable pencil.

    This dodgy doctor had back-up information to go along with what he had opined and doubly confirmed, when he reported Jodi Arias’ hand would shake demonstrating her PTSD. Since he was behind the visitor’s plate glass, he was unable to actually witness the event, but said she was very helpful in bringing attention to the matter by mentioning to him that her hand was shaking, which he duly notated. He needed to notate what his client [the pathological liar] told him because he never recorded anything they said. Most of the time he said he just wrote what he was told. Additionally, he said (in an attempt to write) he might have written something down, even though his client might say [much later] she had not said that. He would be agreeable to what she said he should not have written. It was just a part of the [ongoing] clinical interview for his [ever-changing] clinical conclusion.

    The dodgy doctor felt no need to be accurate. If Jodi Arias said that while she was on top of Travis Alexander that Mr. Alexander took nude photographs of themselves, it would not matter that it did not happen that way. If his notes showed she said she had been tied at the ankles and the hands (during a sex act the day she came down with PTSD), it would not matter that she said she had never been tied around the ankles. Even though he made his analysis based on a story of two intruders and he now knows her confession admits to only her at the scene, it did not change his decision. The fact that his PTSD diagnosis relied on tests that showed the traumatic event that triggered the PTSD that occurred was a non-sexual assault by a stranger would not alter his diagnosis in the slightest (even when the confession excluded that upon which he had relied to form an opinion). The dodgy doctor had changed the score three times that the prosecutor discovered, but the dodgy doctor said it did not matter at all because he believed [against all odds] one of his conclusions showed he was right that she had PTSD. While it would be important to be accurate, he did not feel that it was necessary. After he made a careful analysis, he decided the tests confirmed PTSD, although IN ERROR. He admitted that if the defendant was lying, the test would not be reliable. But, the dodgy doctor said the results could still be consistent.

    When the prosecutor asked the dodgy doctor about the way that question 22 on Exhibit # 527 read, the dodgy doctor appeared to leaf through his papers (an inordinate amount of time) looking for question 22. It took quite a bit of time as he continued to examine the papers in his keep. Finally, he guessed the actual test [with the questions] was not there. His explanation was that he thought he kept everything together [which was slightly better than the dog ate it]. He stumbled along for a lengthier period of time while mumbling there was a question booklet but it also could not be found. However, he managed to talk about its use, telling the prosecutor [and Jury] the booklet is what shows him how to score the test (he had also tried to find). When he had to admit that too was not in his possession that day, he said he would bring it the next day. What he had in front of him was not the actual question sheet and apparently it was just the manual. The excuse he gave was that apparently he had simply left these integral pieces of the record at home. However, upon returning the next day of the Trial, he mysteriously found what he had previously looked for in the notebook, while exclaiming it had been there all along. (This was after he tried to convince the prosecutor that his tests were based on the same question booklet, regardless of who he was asking.)

    The dodgy doctor had an excuse or an explanation for everything even though his excuses and explanations defied reasoning. The time he spent on the stand totaled to a vast sum of money that the taxpayers would have to pay. That is — the taxpayers would have to pay if the expert had the proper credentials and provided truthful testimony. Although the dodgy doctor could try to hide behind faulty reasoning that his mistakes were not of a major character, he would be wrong since all of his mistakes had a cumulative effect on the way that the Jury would interpret what he presented. And, each and every one of his little mistakes or errors benefited the criminal lawyers who had put him on the payroll of the Arizona taxpayers.

    The dodgy doctor had decided at the last minute that a Time magazine article was very important for the defense. It was brand new evidence that had just been published at the end of January. So, the dodgy doctor would not have known about it when submitting the last of his discovery at the end of the previous year [of 2012]. The magazine article was a January 28, 2013 Time magazine article, titled Your Brain Under Fire. The quote used in the first picture shown the Judge was one which was referring to the reaction of a police-academy trainer during a routine check on a shoplifting case. The expert witness [Samuels] struck out the [possessive] name of “Glennon’s” and inserted in its place the words “the officer’s”. It is apparent that the exchange was deliberate because it was done [in the same way] on the next slide that was shown. The name of “Glennon” was struck and “the officer” inserted in its place (and “he’d” had replaced “he had”). There was no license given to change any word when taking direct quotes (that are being attested as direct quotes) to a Court in a criminal Trial.

    Because the dodgy doctor wanted to draw attention to a person [without gender] suffering PTSD, he (without explanation) removed the name of the person and replaced it with the neutral word “officer” surrounded by round brackets. This was deliberate, in that he knew the Jury would read this Power Point Display that favored a version more amenable to Jodi Arias. This more favorable character would be because of the omission of the identity of the person suffering the PTSD, as a person distinctly of the male gender (rather than the more neutral identity of an “Officer”), of which she was NOT of that same category.

    Although it is up to the author to use brackets in whatever style is most comfortable, the rule is that Round brackets are used to interject text within other text. However, when specifically quoting text from another source, round brackets are NOT used in the quote (unless of course they have already been used by the original author). If there is need to use a quote from another source, PARENTHESES will be used. So, if the dodgy doctor [Richard Samuels] wanted to quote an opinion piece originally published in Time magazine, as the basis for his professional opinion, he must first act professionally by NOT misquoting from the piece. When using quotation marks, it is assumed that the matter being quoted is exactly the same as in the original. This was not the case presented by this so-called expert.

    Square brackets are used when the word or phrase was not a part of the quote used in the text. Square brackets are also used to point out a previous error. For instance, if there is a grammatical error in the quote being used, square brackets that contain the italicized word “sic” are placed into the quote. Moreover, brackets can surround a letter that has been changed from lower case to upper case (or vice-versa) when using quoted material. (If anyone is familiar with reading case law, capitalization or non-capitalization when using another case law, legal dictionary, or works of a prominent scholar are quite prevalent.) The use of these brackets (or the use of any type of brackets) can only be used for quoted material if the meaning of what is being quoted DOES NOT change.

    Another way to use square brackets is when a theatrical pause or way of feeling is felt necessary in the correspondence or writing. Additionally, square brackets are used when the word or phrase is basically unnecessary but placed in the sentence around certain material to tie it into the context with past or future words or phrases of the story. Sometimes, when words have already been enclosed by parenthesis and the writer feels that using so many parenthesis will be confusing to the reader, square brackets are often used — although, depending on the author, the brackets used can be round, curly, or even angle brackets [although not when in material that is being quoted]. (Angle [or broken] brackets are used to enclose an Internet address, or e-mail address, or in a mathematical context, although the use of these brackets are also a choice when writing — even though seldom done. They are also used online to indicate action or the status of the individual during discussions and messaging.) Most people will use brackets for clarification of quoted material, or to insert a descriptive word or phrase (or a prefix or suffix to a word) that would fit into the sentence the quoted material to be used, or to change the tense of the verb [again] to fit into the structure of the sentence one wants to use. However, it is up to the author to use brackets in whatever style is most comfortable. ALTHOUGH — the usage should never be to mislead, especially, as when in this case, it is a capital one murder case.

    Doctor Richard Samuels should be made to revise his placards if they are to go into the Jury Room with the Jurors. It is my belief that certain material on these placards is misleading and could confuse the Jurors. Whether this was done intentionally or whether the excuse could be made by this older [confused, ethically distorted] dodgy doctor that he is no longer familiar with the context of a true and correct presentation is probably debatable, according to criminal lawyers. However, the criminal lawyers must agree that the placards should not go in with the Jurors unless all the errors and mistakes have been corrected, and the Judge had allowed for such correction. Other than that, each and every one of these placards in the Power Point Display should be stricken altogether.

    What this really boils down to is that a writer can use brackets in any way he or she chooses — except when using them in a professional level when the use will confuse the ordinary person. The Law looks at the reasonableness of everything. So, examining the writing style of the expert witness that is a doctor is not far-fetched, and, as a matter of fact, would seem integral if the written material is going into the Jury room to be depended on by the Jurors when deliberating.

    • Jay
      04/17/2013 at 11:53 am

      Wow. How many pots of coffee did it take to propel that: 🙂

      • 04/17/2013 at 12:54 pm

        Yes with some espresso shots thrown in…LOL

  64. Anna
    04/17/2013 at 10:39 am

    Thank you Syntara for all your insight. I knew I could count on you to explain all that stuff to me! I can’t wait to read more. And thanks to so many for your help explaining the law. As of now, this is about all I can think of:

    Death Row Information

    Arizona’s Death Row for men is located in the Browning Unit at Arizona State Prison Complex-Eyman which is located just outside the city of Florence Arizona. Female inmates on Death Row are housed at the Lumley Unit at the Arizona State Prison Complex-Perryville, near Goodyear Arizona. All executions are performed in Central Unit at the Arizona State Prison Complex-Florence in Florence Arizona.

    All male and female inmates on Death Row are classified as maximum custody. All inmates are single cells which are equipped with a toilet, sink, bed and mattress. Each Death Row inmate has no contact with any other inmate. Out-of-cell time is limited to outdoor exercise in a secured area, two hours a day, three times a week, and a shower, three times a week. All meals are delivered by correction officers at the cell front. Limited non-contact visitation is available. Death Row inmates may place two ten minute telephone calls per week. Personal property is limited to hygiene items, two appliances, two books and writing materials, which can be purchased from the inmate commissary. Health care is provided at the Health Unit; medication is passed out at the cell front. Clergy contacts are provided at the cell.
    (from http://www.azcorrections.gov/dr_faq.aspx)

    • Jay
      04/17/2013 at 11:56 am

      Will Samuels and LaViolette visit, bearing books and magazines?

  65. El See
    04/17/2013 at 10:49 am

    First I read your recaps daily donchais and they are excellent …. hats off to you and your efforts! I was listening to the proceedings but when I discovered your highlights I gave up and opted for your insights and accurate reporting ….and preferred honestly. How you can sit there day in and day out and remind silent is beyond me and how Travis’ family can sit there and listen to some of the things that have been said! My heart breaks for them.

    Anyway applauds applauds applauds! Also bravo to MMD for The Heat is Juan video … love it!

    I so admired the witness today, she was professional, cool, calm, collected and precise and confident. This is just the individual Travis needs in his corner (with Juan and Flores).

    Again, thanks to all. I make my own tin foil hat daily to match my outfit! Keep up the great work! 😀

    • Irie Girl
      04/17/2013 at 11:11 am

      El See :
      First I read your recaps daily donchais and they are excellent …. hats off to you and your efforts! I was listening to the proceedings but when I discovered your highlights I gave up and opted for your insights and accurate reporting ….and preferred honestly. How you can sit there day in and day out and remind silent is beyond me and how Travis’ family can sit there and listen to some of the things that have been said! My heart breaks for them.
      Anyway applauds applauds applauds! Also bravo to MMD for The Heat is Juan video … love it!
      I so admired the witness today, she was professional, cool, calm, collected and precise and confident. This is just the individual Travis needs in his corner (with Juan and Flores).
      Again, thanks to all. I make my own tin foil hat daily to match my outfit! Keep up the great work!

      Perfectly said El See.
      I would also like to thank you Donchais. I jumped right in to conversation without pausing to say I admire your style and opinions. Thank you for allowing me to join in this conversation.

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 11:48 am

      Hi El See – thanks for your comments but I cannot take the credit for The Heat is Juan (A Juantra). It was put together by and uploaded by FnA Marshall who I personally think is a genius.

      I certainly hope that your foil hat has antennas as they are essential, you have a sufficient supply of barf bags and heavy duty hip waders!!!

      Since we’re on the topic 🙂

  66. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 11:04 am

    Wow. Hello room. Quite a lot to read! I’ve been to Syntara’s class, jad’s class and KR’s via NancyB. Saw my doppelganger give his updates (cat and all). Saw that Observer made a comeback and everyone else is on the ball. Another great day in the sandbox school.

  67. Irie Girl
    04/17/2013 at 11:07 am

    Syntara :
    Irie Girl, Im in Behavioural science.

    real quick OT and then I swear not bring up my MIL again, but I have to ask. What are your thoughts on using a Behavior Therapy for a BPD? The idea has been kicked around at my SIL’s suggestion. Our MIL is a very intelligent woman who (in theory) is capable of learning appropriate response behaviors, but my thought is that she still wouldn’t understand when to implement them without specific and rehearsed cues. Do you think there is any gain from behavior therapy for a BPD? LOL my suggestion was that the rest of begin behavior therapy to learn how to derail her scenes before they get started. I think she thrives off of our constant discussion of how to handle her.
    Obviously I have taken a hard line with her, but she pushed me entirely too far when she inserted herself into my parents relationship over a Christmas holiday.

    • 04/17/2013 at 11:33 am

      Irie – DBT was actually originally designed specifically for BPD. Now it’s used in several other areas an that list is growing.

      Yes it can help. But…. the patient must be willing and the treatment long and extensive. When I say willing I mean not just “yes I will go” but committed. A lot of BPD’s find it very difficult to commit to long term therapy. Even years are involved in this and due to your MIL’s age, well her behaviours are harder to change than that of a younger person. BPD is usually rooted in a manifestation in childhood. If she is committed by all means she should be encouraged but basically what I’m saying is don’t expect a miracle but you never know.

  68. HJ Madison
    04/17/2013 at 11:09 am

    I found a curious little nugget last night I wonder if you guys have discussed. On July 12, 2012, Jodi tried to get the results of her polygraph exam admitted into evidence if she is found guilty and we go forward with the penalty phase. Motion denied, but what on earth could be contained in a polygraph exam that could be used as a mitigating factor? And why was she ever given a polygraph? Just bizarre!

    • NancyB
      04/17/2013 at 11:34 am

      That she passed it!! Like many sociopath/psychopath/ASPD’s do. That motion was very telling and makes me smile!

      • Lisa M
        04/17/2013 at 11:51 am

        They should have let it in! The fact that she passed it would show that she’s a sociopath and a very dangerous person.

    • Lisa M
      04/17/2013 at 11:53 am

      You’re reminding me of that chilling moment in her interrogation with Detective Flores, when she suggested taking a polygraph and he told her it wouldn’t be admissible and she said something like “Then what’s the point?” and picked up her water bottle for a drink. It was just the way she did it. Very nonchalantly and coldly.

      • HJ Madison
        04/17/2013 at 12:15 pm

        What makes this really weird is she wants to use it only if she is convicted of 1st degree premeditated muder, when she is begging the jury not to execute her. What …. she wants to show the jury her mommy really did smack her with a spoon? I just can not imagine ….

  69. Observer
    04/17/2013 at 11:14 am

    From the perspective of a layman. I agree that Jodi Arias fits the Antisocial Personality Disorder better than Borderline Personality Disorder but no matter what the diagnosis, Dr. DeMarte helped the jury to see that they were right when they questioned the defense experts testimony that Jodi was the victim and Travis Alexander was the perpetrator.

    DeMarte pointed out that Jodi had admitted having rages she couldn’t control, that she had punched walls and kicked doors, that she was lying when she said she didn’t remember the stabbing, that she didn’t fit the criteria of PTSD and battered woman’s syndrome, removing any reasonable doubt that Jodi murdered Travis Alexander in cold blood.

    DeMarte came across more credible than Dr. Samuels and LaViolette because she showed no bias but simply evaluated Jodi Arias by interviewing her for 12 hours and then testing her twice.

    The jury’s job is to decide if it was premeditated murder or self defense. If they decide Jodi is the dangerous one and Travis had a reason to be afraid of her, that removes all reasonable doubt that Jodi planned and murdered Travis because she feared he was abandoning her by going to Cancun with another woman.

    In Arizona, the prosecutor has four chances to get an unanimous vote on the death penalty. If there is no unanimous vote on the death penalty from this jury, Martinez can ask that another jury be impaneled three more times. If the fourth jury votes against the death penalty, the judge will decide on LWOP and 25 years to life.

    • NancyB
      04/17/2013 at 11:37 am

      Hi Observer! Thanks for reminding me that Az allows 4 chances for unanimous vote for death penalty. I too, as a lay person think that she is ASPD but as Syn pointed out, that she had elevated scores in 7 of the 10 scales is extraordinary. I’d love to see the computer print out of the scoring!

    • Family of Law
      04/17/2013 at 11:40 am

      Good morning Observer:) I agree! Regardless of which is the accurate psych diagnosis, Dr. DeMarte did a very professional job decimating the defense’s “so-called experts”. The jury heard clear, unbiased testimony that did NOT paint JA as a victim of DV/ BWS. The State need only to prove that JA premeditated the murder of Travis, in a heinous and cruel manner. The DT’s needs to prove “self defense”- and I believe that ship has long since sailed.

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 11:51 am

      Observer I have been looking for you – glad to see you back. I have a LDS question if you wouldn’t mind.

      What is the church’s feeling about tattoos and body and or ear piercings???? Thanks.

    • Lisa M
      04/17/2013 at 11:55 am

      Wow, seriously, the prosecutor has four chances to get a unanimous vote on the death penalty? I didn’t know that.

    • Jay
      04/17/2013 at 12:05 pm

      How does the alternate jury mix work? I’m assuming they have to be comprised from the same jury pool, is that right? If so, does the state get to pick the next grouping? Or are they picked randomly, or by the judge?

      • Crystal Harris
        04/17/2013 at 12:54 pm

        When it comes time for deliberations, the 12 jurors are literally pulled out of a hat.

  70. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 11:17 am

    One thing has suddenly become a problem though.Apparently I’m now sleeping on the couch!

    I mean, I was coming late to bed and sometimes whispering “Juan” in my wife’s ear.I managed to get around that one. I was disco dancing to “The Heat is Juan” when a few neighbors stopped by, but I eluded any real blow-ups.. I was spending way too much time on the puter during evening hours, but I kept saying that it was educational and that worked.

    But last night – so I’m told – I kept saying “Doc Janeen” a LOT; and mumbling how she was the REAL trained brain and in a “hot bod. to boot”.

    That apparently got me the boot for tonigh! Well, I figure I’ll take one for the team.

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 11:26 am


    • 04/17/2013 at 11:35 am

      hahaha I nearly posted earlier “I bet Robert is gonna develop a crush on Janeen!”

    • 04/17/2013 at 11:48 am


    • Lisa M
      04/17/2013 at 11:50 am

      Ha ha, Robert! Your wife was right in giving you the boot! 🙂

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 11:57 am

      OMG too funny!!!!! I’m surprised that you haven’t been booted to the couch much earlier with the amount of time you spend with us and watching the trial 😉

      I will give you the educational excuse – that is certainly true for all of us. We are ALL learning an incredible amount with this trial. The talking in your sleep – just can’t give ya a pass on that no how no way!!!!

      Hope ya have a comfy sofa 🙂

  71. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 11:23 am

    While thinking about the couch, I started daydreaming about DrJ and what she did to LaLa and the Dodgy Doc. It reminded me of a invented word by a writer years ago, “whifflebird”
    This creature flew backwards in ever decreasing circles until it flew up its own asshole and becames extinct.

    • NancyB
      04/17/2013 at 11:39 am

      whifflebird is just perfect!

    • 04/17/2013 at 11:49 am

      SNORT ALERT!! hahaha!!!

  72. Nienna
    04/17/2013 at 11:31 am

    Missed the cross yesterday. Watching it now. It’s amazing how JA suddenly had interest in the trial at that point.

    • 04/17/2013 at 11:36 am

      me tooo watching JW make an idiot out of herself

      • Nienna
        04/17/2013 at 11:51 am

        Yes. Indeed!

    • kCruz123
      04/17/2013 at 12:26 pm

      For me it was just another example of her immature behavior. Anyone that is not on ‘her side’ is her enemy and she very obviously refrains from even looking at them. So silly.

  73. Gracerv7
    04/17/2013 at 11:38 am

    I thought the same thing Nienna! Wow she ditched her coloring book and perked right up!!

    • 04/17/2013 at 11:47 am

      Grace…she perked up on cross, because she wanted to make sure Gidget was asking the questions she told her to – AND the way she told Gidget to ask them! As we all know…Hodi is controlling the DT! So god help Gidget if she effs this up!

  74. Gracerv7
    04/17/2013 at 11:52 am

    Yeah lol shell have tiny pencil wielding jodi to contend with!!!! (Cue psycho soundtrack: ree ree ree ree)

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 12:03 pm

      Yeah but if ya notice, Gidget has to sharpen those golf pencils for her. She is not allowed to! 🙂

    • 04/17/2013 at 12:10 pm


    • HJ Madison
      04/17/2013 at 12:16 pm

      Oh funny!

  75. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 12:02 pm

    I just realized that this is going to be another 4 day weekend. No court on Friday and one of the jurors needed the 22nd off. I can feel the withdrawal starting already 😦

    • Lisa M
      04/17/2013 at 12:04 pm

      Oh, nooooooo! Really? Again?

      • MMD
        04/17/2013 at 12:08 pm

        Yep this Friday was NOT one of the days that the judge asked the jurors about. They were the 26th and May 3rd if needed. 😦 Maybe since so much time has been missed she’ll ask about this Friday but it seems kind of late in the game.

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 12:10 pm

      POO! I forgot about that 😦

      • MMD
        04/17/2013 at 12:16 pm

        sorry folks but misery does LOVE company 😉

  76. Lisa M
    04/17/2013 at 12:02 pm

    These are my favorite moments from Wilmott’s cross of DeMarte:
    When Demarte smiled broadly and asked Wilmott: “What terminology are YOU using?”
    When Wilmott tried to make a point about Demarte’s inexperience as compared to ALV by bringing up ALV getting her Master’s in 1980 and Demarte didn’t understand where she was going with it and it completely fell flat.
    When Wilmott tried to make ALV look bad by suggesting she lectured to middle schoolers and Demarte said, No, it was to middle school staff.

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 12:06 pm

      Those were good weren’t they!! 🙂 I know the defense pays attention to the media, blogs, etc. but I truly wish that Gidget would re-watch her cross or any of her direct for that matter, because she sounds soooooooooooooo ridiculous most of the time.

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 12:12 pm

      LOVED IT!!

    • 04/17/2013 at 12:31 pm

      LisaM….I know…I was laughing hysterically! Love it!

  77. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 12:15 pm

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
    I heard one spectator ask about Alyce and what happened to her showing up on Tuesday. Valerie was not allowed to answer

  78. Gracerv7
    04/17/2013 at 12:16 pm

    I only saw pieces of cross is there a full video somewhere? I couldn’t find anything on you tube.

    • Nienna
    • HJ Madison
      04/17/2013 at 12:20 pm

      Yesterday Croakerqueen123 had it in 4 parts on Youtube but they were calling it Day 48, not 49 (since 48 was such a waste????).

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 12:20 pm

      The last 45 mins +/- of video 4.

  79. Lisa M
    04/17/2013 at 12:21 pm

    Syntara :
    LisaM Jad’s point was their psychopathology are very similar.

    Yes, I understand that, I just think using Ted Bundy as a comparison to Jodi is problematic because there are so many differences between the two murderers that they overshadow the psychopathology.
    But I agreed that they share characteristics.

  80. Jay
    04/17/2013 at 12:24 pm

    WildAboutTrial just tweeted the defense team and Arias have arrived in court, all wearing medieval armor: Willmott with shield and lance; Nurmi clunking in witll ball and chain; Arias recognizable from her eyeglasses glinting from the raised visor of her helmut. The prosecutor immediately requested a sidebar, but WildAboutTrial is unable to her the conversation because of the clanking armor.

    • Lisa M
      04/17/2013 at 12:26 pm

      LOL Jay. Your levity is always appreciated!

      • Jay
        04/17/2013 at 12:29 pm

        thanks – hope my typing will improve…

    • 04/17/2013 at 12:29 pm

      Ha Jay…awesome!!

    • HJ Madison
      04/17/2013 at 12:54 pm

      Oh thankyou! What a great image! And I hope that the DT reads that since I hear they are snooping around here. Hilarious!

  81. 04/17/2013 at 12:27 pm

    As much as I enjoyed Dr. DeMarte’s expert testimony yesterday, a few things are giving me pause:

    1. The fact that Syn, along with a few others with knowledge in the psychology field believe – Dr. Drew’s panel of experts aside – that the diagnosis of BPD would not be the disorder they would have pick to fit with JA personality.

    2. The fact that my husband agreed! Albeit, the guy has been more wrong than right in our 15 years of marriage, it gave me pause when he agreed with the expert panel that Dr. D came across as young and inexperienced, and ‘flushed’ (my husbands word!) on cross.

    3. That the someone on the expert panel said that even though they liked how she came across with JM during testimony, an expert is measured by how they handle cross!

    4. Now I’m getting nervous for todays continued cross, because I’m sure JW is going to attack her like a dog trying to rip apart a steak dangling on a stick!

    We have seen first hand how the DT doesn’t like to play fair, so I extremely nervous about how this will com across to the jury.

    I have a question also….since Dr. D and the prosecution didn’t use ASPD+P on JA, does that mean that the DT can’t use it either! And did they rule out that diagnosis and why?

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 12:30 pm

      I thought she handled herself fine on cross. Definitely a hell of alot better than the other two.

      • MMD
        04/17/2013 at 12:33 pm

        I thought she did a terrific job!!!

      • Moon
        04/17/2013 at 12:40 pm

        I agree that she did fine on cross. She held her own. She made whiney look like a jealous idiot. And I have faith that Juan will know to object as needed.

    • Jay
      04/17/2013 at 12:32 pm

      I saw that show… I thought that panelist said she was showing a little ‘stage-fright’ but overall they all were positive about her testimony.. made the comment she was young but ‘sharp’ and performed well so far..

    • 04/17/2013 at 12:43 pm

      Let’s not forget something vital to all of this: The Jury knows Jodi is liar. These professionals can assign her whatever condition they like; she still had the presence of mind to lie her a$$ off.

      • Nienna
        04/17/2013 at 12:48 pm


    • 04/17/2013 at 12:48 pm

      Whew! Thanks guys! You have no idea how glad I am you all feel that way! I kept defending her to my husband, but he really got inside my head! I usually don’t watch HLN, but my husband wanted to, so I obliged, because he is a pretty level-headed guy…so for him to think that, made me second guess my opinion of how I felt Dr. D did on cross. I won’t be making that mistake again! I should be secure in the knowledge that the jury are normal, logical thinking people like the wonderful people on this website! They will make the right decision, and let the evidence speak for itself!

  82. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 12:30 pm

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
    Nurmi and Willmott are up front visiting the staple lady at the moment. Really not much salmon to report on yet this morning.

  83. JesusFreak
    04/17/2013 at 12:31 pm

    Donchais, ty for the great coverage yesterday. Your coverage was so I thought I was in the courtroom last night as I read the happenings. I was able to watch the am session but had to miss the pm as i will have to today. Working ruins my days!

  84. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 12:32 pm

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
    Wondering why no one has salmon on this morning. What’s going on here? Boycotting the Wild? Phhhffftttt

  85. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 12:33 pm

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
    For some of you who are not up to date with my tweet terminology I put together a page that will help you out. http://wildabouttrial.com/one_off/the-wictionary-wilds-dictionary-for-the-jodi-arias-trial/

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 12:47 pm

      Knew all of them. But funny to read his descriptions. ROFLMAO @ Blingage.. MS and JW looks like Slick Rick concert in court!! 🙂

  86. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 12:36 pm

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
    Dr. D has on a white blouse with black trim. DP Mitigator has a brown suit on with a minty green/salmony top

  87. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 12:40 pm

    OT CNN reports – Letter to President Obama intercepted at off-site facility tests positive for ricin, FBI says.

    2 buildings at Capital Hill are on lockdown due to suspicious packages

    • Grace
      04/17/2013 at 12:58 pm

      Makes ya want to move to Canada ~ oops forgot you’re already there MMD…lol. I looked into moving up there some years ago, but my kids said ‘you’re not going anywhere’.

      This is all very scary. Between sociopaths/psychopaths and terrorists it’s a wonder I ever leave my hobbit hole.

      By the Way MMD, what have you been doing with Juan? He’s looking quite young and vigorous these days. 🙂

      • MMD
        04/17/2013 at 1:28 pm

        🙂 I don’t kiss and tell!!!!!!!

    • Crystal Harris
      04/17/2013 at 1:00 pm

      A Republican Senator also received the same ricin letter yesterday. A bi-partisan terrorist!

  88. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 12:42 pm

    Boston law enforcement source tells CNN there is “substantial progress” in marathon bombings probe.

  89. Anna
    04/17/2013 at 12:43 pm

    I have a feeling my sarcasm was offensive. I want to apologize. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I’ve just been under a ton of stress lately. No Excuse. Sorry again. Best to all.

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 12:46 pm

      What are you talking about darlin’?????? I’ve never found you offensive 🙂

    • 04/17/2013 at 1:11 pm

      Anna, you always have great input and r never offensive. Keep it going girl!

    • kCruz123
      04/17/2013 at 1:30 pm

      Anna, I don’t think that your comment was offensive. I agree, it didn’t seem as though there was any point to bringing Grace Wong to the stand. IMO it just proves that Nurmi is spending way too much time watching/reading the social media when his time could best be invested elsewhere.

    • Anna
      04/17/2013 at 4:03 pm

      Well, thank you guys, and nice to meet you kCruz123. I just have this thing where if I think someone has misunderstood me, I have to try & clear it up. Kills me otherwise. 😦 I sincerely believe I’ve been letting my hair down too much here tho and I’m sick of the sound of my own voice, so to speak. Gonna try & cool my jets. My humor muse is in the ICU anyway. Sissy wuss!
      I’m really enjoying all the good reading here and as always, looking forward to Justice!

  90. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 12:44 pm

    Jay :
    thanks – hope my typing will improve…

    We are all very proficient in typoese these days 🙂 so not to worry

  91. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 12:47 pm

    Well I’m not one to get in the midst of marital embraces of ideas, but, since I’m solo now, I thought I’d say the only way Perky has a CHANCE with Dr Janeen is if she can tie her up with the understanding of psychological nuances and traditions and I seriously doubt that Ms. Willnotwinthecase has the chops for that.
    On the ethicical contest, its a slam dunk in DrJ’s favor. On clarity of thought and ability to communicate, its a slam dunk, MSU is one of the top universities in the world and she was a prize student,Vis a vis the defense’s “experts”, An analogy might place a middlebrow, working lawyer of 30year, who went to a small law school–who’s been calling it in for the past 10 on various government gigs, all of a sudden placed across from someone who though relatively “new,” was the editor in chief of the Law Review at Stanford who was highly recruited, worked in goverenment and now in private practice and a smash in all her early cases. I’d bet on the newcomer.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/17/2013 at 12:50 pm

      this was intended for Wherestheju above @265

      • 04/17/2013 at 1:05 pm

        RnR….thank you my darlin’! ‘…now that i’m solo!” Love it!….not that ur solo! Hope the couch was comfy last night?? I’m betting on the newcomer too!

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 12:50 pm

      Amen 🙂

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 12:52 pm


  92. Jay
    04/17/2013 at 12:51 pm

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial reports:

    The defense team just headed back into chambers…

    Donovan Bering spotted in spectator seats building matchstick teepee under chair of Dr. Drew’s ‘juror’ Stacy Fairrington… Mild disturbance as deputies handcuff Donovan, screaming about violation of her constitutional rights to keep warm.

  93. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 12:52 pm

    And away we go! 🙂

  94. Moon
    04/17/2013 at 12:53 pm

    yep the evil one gets fuglier by the day

  95. 04/17/2013 at 12:55 pm

    Haha! Gidget said…”Goo Mornin’ Dr. De-Mar-Tay!”….all perky and s**t! But Dr. D didn’t respond back!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  96. 04/17/2013 at 12:58 pm

    Crystal Harris :
    I just read an article discussing how the new DSM-V puts half of Americans under a diagnosis.
    Lovely. We’re all crazy now I guess.

    LOL! 😀

    I wonder how many people have the conditions that are being assigned to Jodi, who know right from wrong, and never act out? We live in an excuse filled society. From ADT to BPD…”Hey, it ain’t my fault!”

  97. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 1:00 pm

    You’re were not a keynote speaker at these poster dispalys?
    unlike MsLaLa who said she was a keynote when she wasn’t.

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 1:00 pm


  98. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 1:00 pm

    Gidget is trying sooooooooooo hard to trip her up. I’m sure that jury is as aware as we are!

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 1:01 pm

      And it is not working!

  99. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 1:01 pm

    dgy doc wasnt reviewed or published and LaLa was published by some feminist press.

  100. katz63md
    04/17/2013 at 1:02 pm

    Sigh…Why is Wilmott trying to compare the good Dr. to ALV? There is no way to compare the two.

    • Crystal Harris
      04/17/2013 at 5:13 pm

      It’s all she can do. There is literally nothing else the Defense can do. Hahahaha!!

  101. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 1:02 pm

    Willnotwinthecase is trying to show that this youngster couldn’t possibly know as much as LaLa and “dr” Samuels.

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 1:03 pm

      That’s BS!

  102. Nienna
    04/17/2013 at 1:03 pm

    Love how the word “new” is trying to be thrown in and she smacks it down!

  103. Marilyn N
    04/17/2013 at 1:06 pm

    Taxpayers should have gotten the sliding scale with dodgy and latoilet……..

    • PAM
      04/17/2013 at 1:09 pm

      Agreed…Wilmont has no clue what she is doing. The jury must be snoozing.

  104. Nienna
    04/17/2013 at 1:06 pm

    Who gives a shit about her charges? She charges less the 2 smucks and does a WAY better job!

  105. Kathy A.
    04/17/2013 at 1:07 pm

    Where is Willnot going with this? It has nothing to do with anything, how much she is paid by insurance or private individuals.

  106. Moon
    04/17/2013 at 1:07 pm

    whiney is SUCH a F&*^%$G idiot!

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 1:26 pm

      ya pretty well called it!!! ROFL

  107. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 1:07 pm

    OT – but good news

    Source tells CNN’s John King that Boston authorities believe they have identified a suspect in bombings.

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 1:10 pm


  108. Marilyn N
    04/17/2013 at 1:07 pm

    come on – what’s the point? I am getting irritated!!!

  109. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 1:10 pm

    Watch Gidget now give her a list of her previous clients

  110. Marilyn N
    04/17/2013 at 1:10 pm

    Willnot’s attitude is not working.

  111. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 1:10 pm

    all perky can do is mimic Juan’s concerns and cross?

  112. PAM
    04/17/2013 at 1:10 pm

    Get it straight Wilmont…..who cares.

  113. Marilyn N
    04/17/2013 at 1:11 pm

    S C R E A M I N G now!!!!!!!!!

  114. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 1:11 pm

    I mean for DrJ isbetween 4 and 6; with LaLa it was between 0 and 1 and the answer was 0

  115. Marilyn N
    04/17/2013 at 1:12 pm

    Happy to see that JA is busy putting on her ignoring persona again today.

  116. Family of Law
    04/17/2013 at 1:13 pm

    Perky is an IDIOT to bring up what Dr. DeMarte charges! Seeing as Dr. D spent less than 15 hours doing her evaluation – compared to “Dr” Samuels and LaToilette that racked up HUGE bills!!!

    • NapaNonnie
      04/17/2013 at 1:16 pm

      In complete agreement.

  117. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 1:13 pm

    Someone please shoot either Gidget or me nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww – this is ridiculous!!!!!

    • 04/17/2013 at 1:15 pm

      Pick me! Pick me! I choose shooting…Gidget!!!!

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 1:17 pm

      or shoot me too! I’m screaming as well Marilyn N!

  118. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 1:13 pm

    Perky got her! She said 12 and it MIGHT be 12.5!!!!

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 1:18 pm

      Shit! We’re screwed!

  119. 04/17/2013 at 1:14 pm

    There she goes folks! Doo…da…doo…doo…nah…nah…boo…boo….their not talking about me!…hum hum….their not talking about me!….just do my art….mind my own business…doo da doo…draw…erase…draw!

    The only things that’s missing from that image of Hodi over there doodling is the tongue sticking out of the corner of her mouth!

    • Crystal Harris
      04/17/2013 at 5:08 pm

      Sometimes I wish there was a “Like” button on people’s posts. I’d like to acknowledge the ones that make me smile or laugh, but don’t need my response.

  120. NapaNonnie
    04/17/2013 at 1:14 pm

    On a lighter note, I believe WillnotwinthisCase has read this site because it looks like she used her can of “spray on hair” today. Not being as blinded by the bald spot.

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 1:16 pm


    • katz63md
      04/17/2013 at 1:22 pm

      Oh so true!!!!

  121. Marilyn N
    04/17/2013 at 1:15 pm

    “Ya, you know what? That’s not what we’re talking about here. ”
    It’s not working Willie!

  122. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 1:16 pm

    Can ya imagine being married to Gidget?????????????????????? or work for her????????????????????

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 1:19 pm

      Um… NO!

    • Crystal Harris
      04/17/2013 at 5:06 pm

      I was just imagining how sad it would be for Whiney’s kids to get yelled at in that grating voice.

  123. Douglme
    04/17/2013 at 1:18 pm

    Bloody ridiculous cross…I can’t believe Whiney is wasting all this time on questioning her about her schooling and what she is practicing as????

  124. Marilyn N
    04/17/2013 at 1:19 pm

    I suppose if Willnot wants to waste the time going over this stuff,
    that’s OK. It cannot be doing much for the jury……

  125. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 1:20 pm

    Gidget is being such a bitch today all under the guise of being perky and pleasant – gag me with a spoon!!!!!!!!!!! Yuck!

  126. Moon
    04/17/2013 at 1:20 pm

    ohhh someone pls shut this biotch up! ***smack***

  127. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 1:20 pm

    She lobs each attack back. Nice.

    • NapaNonnie
      04/17/2013 at 1:32 pm

      And Dr D does it with such expertise.

  128. katz63md
    04/17/2013 at 1:21 pm

    10 to 1 it was someone from the defense that called Dr. up 2 weeks ago. These guys are so transparent. Wilmott is a COMPLETE IDIOT.

  129. Marilyn N
    04/17/2013 at 1:21 pm

    WillNUT better shape up or Jodi is going to fire her.

    • katz63md
      04/17/2013 at 1:24 pm

      I was just going to write that. 🙂

    • 04/17/2013 at 3:16 pm


  130. PAM
    04/17/2013 at 1:22 pm

    OMG…..Wilmont is so stupid. I went to a therapist who was working towards her doctorate. They are real therapists. They take their notes and then refer to the supervising doctor only if necessary. Dr. DeMarte will not get tripped up by Wilmont….she is much smarter than her. Give it up Willnotwinthistrial.
    In mho I think the jury will dislike WOBO more because of Wilmont’s annoying battering of this expert witness.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/17/2013 at 1:47 pm

      agree 1000% She’s not only got serious voice problems; she’s just not all that bright. Janeen is probably pegging her – as she answers her idiot questions – at a 110 IQ or thereabouts. I mean she “tore” into her questions in an attempt to “get” DrJ and DrJ answered calmly, didn’t amplify; had no problem saying she didnt “read” some goddam journal or not.

  131. Marilyn N
    04/17/2013 at 1:23 pm

    Being a bitch is one thing, but it’s just NOT working for her.

  132. Douglme
    04/17/2013 at 1:23 pm

    JW needs to move on and get to the point!

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 1:24 pm


  133. Nienna
    04/17/2013 at 1:23 pm

    I say she’s holding her own!

  134. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 1:24 pm

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
    So far I don’t see any “bombshell” from Willmott’s questions. More like “watergun stream”

  135. Marilyn N
    04/17/2013 at 1:24 pm

    She’s trying to be like Juan!

  136. HJ Madison
    04/17/2013 at 1:24 pm

    Oh she has just nothing! Give it up already! Wilmot is looking like a bitchy fool!

    • 04/17/2013 at 3:19 pm

      Yes indeed!

  137. Marilyn N
    04/17/2013 at 1:24 pm

    Seriously here, get some voice therapy………

  138. 04/17/2013 at 1:24 pm

    What does this line of questioning have to do with the fact that your client stab an good, innocent man 29 times, slit his throat and ALMOST decapitated his head..AND shot him with a stolen .25 caliber gun?????????????????? ffs!!!!

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 1:29 pm


  139. Moon
    04/17/2013 at 1:25 pm

    Gawd… just get passed the CV and get on with it you fn idiot! trip trip trip whiney so fn annoying

  140. Marilyn N
    04/17/2013 at 1:25 pm

    JA is really going at it with that eraser over there!!!

  141. Marilyn N
    04/17/2013 at 1:26 pm

    Notice the split screen! Nice!

  142. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 1:26 pm

    No she didnt attend the blahblahblah conference. Its held EVERY year” Perk says.
    Yeah, another govt, non profit rip off conference.

  143. Marilyn N
    04/17/2013 at 1:27 pm

    Oh my godddddd- da this is just getting stupid-er!!!!!

  144. Jane
    04/17/2013 at 1:27 pm

    Jenny’s in bitch mode. I’m glad she is trying to cover the little bald spot with Ron Popeil fake hair bald spot cover in a can.

  145. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 1:28 pm

    Instead of saying “sorry” and giving wobo a book, DrJ tested her. For reading? Yes.

  146. HJ Madison
    04/17/2013 at 1:29 pm

    Gidget …. she said she was Einstein! She just wanted to be sure!

  147. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 1:29 pm

    Oh great! wobo looks uop when DrJ says she was “immature”

  148. Douglme
    04/17/2013 at 1:29 pm

    If she is so smart, she should take those glasses off, they are only for distance! LOL

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 1:33 pm

      Hence the migraines!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/17/2013 at 1:36 pm

      I know!She NEVER gets that. She looks under them, and tries to see through them. But its the Darryl Hannah effect from “Roseanne” She in that picture, she was an “architect” so she had to “look smart”, Trouble was, she never could figure out when to use glasses! It was more, will ‘they’ look good in this scene, rather than dio I even need them? YTHats wobo

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/17/2013 at 1:37 pm


      • Schaeffer
        04/17/2013 at 1:55 pm

        Silly Robert. She was an astronomer.

    • Crystal Harris
      04/17/2013 at 4:58 pm

      You nailed it about when she’s supposed to wear her “sympathy” glasses.

  149. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 1:30 pm

    Hers perky:: shes gonna try and establish that DrJ gave unnecessary tests!

  150. 04/17/2013 at 1:31 pm

    Syn??? Where r u???? Please help! how bizarre is JA behavior right now?? Help us understand it!! Please!!

  151. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 1:33 pm

    Perk you bought this book right?
    Doc Incorrect
    Did you borrow it?
    Got it from a colleague

    This is cross at its best!

  152. katz63md
    04/17/2013 at 1:36 pm

    wth is wrong with ja’s hair today?

    • NapaNonnie
      04/17/2013 at 1:43 pm

      It looks greasy like she didn’t shampoo today. Maybe she overslept, you know according to her “friends” she has to get up at 1:30 a.m. to prepare for court. Of course, the correctional institution corrected that lie.

      • Jane
        04/17/2013 at 2:08 pm

        It’s that home grown jail skank look. Uggh, she makes my lunch taste nasty today. She should have dolled up, what with the much cuter, smarter and successful Janeen, M.D.

      • katz63md
        04/17/2013 at 2:25 pm

        Well, they did something to her at break. Their person reading this site must have told them we think JA looks like crap, more then any other day!

  153. Moon
    04/17/2013 at 1:36 pm

    hodi staring down the jury now. she’s so homely she’s so evil

    • Marilyn N
      04/17/2013 at 1:38 pm

      The bangs are extra scary!

    • Crystal Harris
      04/17/2013 at 4:55 pm

      YES! Homely. That’s the right word. Even before she was put in jail, her beauty looks so contrived and forced, unnatural.

  154. HJ Madison
    04/17/2013 at 1:36 pm

    I think she is trying to get Dr. “in trouble” for borrowing instead of buying the exam! Where is Syn!!!!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/17/2013 at 1:37 pm


  155. Marilyn N
    04/17/2013 at 1:37 pm

    This is not even interesting. Not really listening.

  156. katz63md
    04/17/2013 at 1:37 pm

    OMG!!!!!!! WILMOTT – REALLY?????? COPYRIGHT????? WTF??????

    • katz63md
      04/17/2013 at 1:43 pm

      This is irritating me to the nth degree. does she not remember making copies of their tests for the court, copyright infringement there. I’m having a really hard time believing this stupid B that she is trying something like this. Seriously, she is disgusting me to no end. They have no way to disqualify the good Dr. so they are pulling these childish arguments hoping the jury bites. Sorry Wilmott, the jury is not stupid!

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/17/2013 at 1:51 pm

        we all know perky was the school monitor; she smoked a ciggy!!!TEAcher!

  157. 04/17/2013 at 1:38 pm

    I’m out!! I really can’t take this biotchs voice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Marilyn N
      04/17/2013 at 1:41 pm

      Me too! Good timing for my hair appointment!!

  158. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 1:38 pm

    Is she gonna go after JM for copyright infringement now???????????????????????

  159. Kathy A.
    04/17/2013 at 1:39 pm

    This is the best she’s got? Seriously? Not how she reached her diagnoses of Jodi or anything like that?

  160. Douglme
    04/17/2013 at 1:40 pm

    Is she for real?

  161. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 1:40 pm

    You aren’t a mental health professional either Gidget!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pot meet kettle!

  162. Nienna
    04/17/2013 at 1:40 pm

    Seriously?! Fn whinning about copyright with the prosecutor?!

  163. SCK
    04/17/2013 at 1:40 pm

    She is one condescending little s**t! Love that Dr. D is holding her own.

    • NapaNonnie
      04/17/2013 at 1:44 pm

      Me too.

    • 04/17/2013 at 3:25 pm

      Yes definitely on both accounts

  164. HJ Madison
    04/17/2013 at 1:41 pm

    OMG …. JM read the PDS questions …. that is the best she has? This makes Gidget look so stupid!

  165. 04/17/2013 at 1:41 pm

    Uh oh, call the copyright police!!! Jesus. Has she ever lent a DVD to anyone? Gotcha!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/17/2013 at 1:53 pm

      EXACTLY! She copied and returned the COPY to the Friend for the FRIends file. Fair use.

  166. Family of Law
    04/17/2013 at 1:41 pm

    My barn manager just threatened to shoot me with our tranquilizer gun! I’m outraged that Perky is trying to get this testing thrown out via copywrite violation! WIS HELP!!! What are the legalities here?

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 1:44 pm

      I’m not an expert but I don’t think anything will come of this. He’s a prosecutor using the information of a test only for the purpose of prosecuting a defendant. He has no intentions of using, selling, distributing or what have you, for any other reason!

    • katz63md
      04/17/2013 at 1:44 pm

      send him over here!!!

      • Family of Law
        04/17/2013 at 1:54 pm

        The line is forming to the right:) Maybe we should consider VODKA instead?

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 1:45 pm

      please send your barn manager to my house …………………… I’m almost ready to either quit this or break my computer

      • Family of Law
        04/17/2013 at 1:53 pm

        Good morning MMD! I’m sure he’d happily oblige, according to him, shooting a dart in my ass is “the humane thing to do”! I’m focusing my sites on juror questions and redirect! C’mon Juan! (Notice how Juan is not objecting nonstop like Perky does?)

  167. PK
    04/17/2013 at 1:43 pm

    I’m an IP Attorney with more than 30 years practice so be assured that JW has no, nada, nichts, nyet knowledge of copyright law. Move on!

    • Family of Law
      04/17/2013 at 1:44 pm

      Thank you PK! I’m breathing again!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/17/2013 at 1:54 pm

      hey we need that sometimes.Like Dragnet; the facts, nothing but the facts

    • PK
      04/17/2013 at 2:09 pm

      JW needs study 17 USC § 107 – Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use very carefully before wading into copyright law territory again. Apparently another subject not on her easy A law school schedule.

  168. HJ Madison
    04/17/2013 at 1:43 pm

    Why don’t you ask the Dr. why SHE NEVER USES that test??? Oh jury questions….what a god send!

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 1:45 pm

      And re-direct!

  169. Grace
    04/17/2013 at 1:44 pm

    JW is trying real hard to get a reaction from JD, and it’s pissing her off that JD isn’t playing that game with her. The more she tries the more whiny she becomes. BooHoo

  170. Moon
    04/17/2013 at 1:47 pm

    i sure hope JD can get out the fact that HER laptop was stolen on Feb 6, 2103…after the start of this trial and 2 days after hodi took the stand.

  171. kCruz123
    04/17/2013 at 1:47 pm

    Arrest made in Boston Bombing Investigation.

  172. Schaeffer
    04/17/2013 at 1:51 pm

    Between the shrill tone of her voice and the pressured speech, JW sounds almost hysterical. She is a fool to pursue this line of questioning.

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 1:53 pm

      I have the volume turned off now. Can’t take it!!!!!

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 1:54 pm

      Plus it’s ever so much more pleasant now!!!!! 🙂

  173. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 1:52 pm

    OT CNN

    Source: Arrest made in Boston Marathon bombings.

  174. HJ Madison
    04/17/2013 at 1:55 pm

    I think WOBO looks especially peaked today, almost a bit pea green.

  175. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 1:56 pm

    Two videos lead to arrest in Boston Marathon bombings case.

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 2:14 pm

      Or Wild’s Rule 15…

      WAT rule 15. Hamburgers must be juicy and eaten on Wednesdays only. Pictures must be taken and ketchup must be plentiful.

      • Nienna
        04/17/2013 at 2:15 pm

        Oops… meant for the next entry #431(now)

  176. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 2:01 pm

    What’s rule 15???????????

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 2:04 pm


      • Nienna
        04/17/2013 at 2:04 pm


        Rule 15.1. Disclosure by state
        Rule 15.2. Disclosure by defendant
        Rule 15.3. Depositions
        Rule 15.4. General standards
        Rule 15.5. Excision and protective orders
        Rule 15.6. Continuing duty to disclose; final disclosure deadline; extension
        Rule 15.7. Sanctions
        Rule 15.8. Disclosure prior to a plea deadline; sanctions
        Rule 15.9. Appointment of investigators and expert witnesses for indigent defendants


      • Jay
        04/17/2013 at 2:07 pm

        Part of the ‘missing’ notes Doc Dopy said he couldn’t find during testimony?

      • HJ Madison
        04/17/2013 at 2:09 pm

        I thought I saw Gidget smirk at Nurmi just as that was called. Like “see….I told you we had not shared that with THEM”.

  177. Jay
    04/17/2013 at 2:02 pm

    Good… get out the water board

  178. Schaeffer
    04/17/2013 at 2:09 pm

    PK — when there is a break in the action, could you read my post, #1025 on 9 April and respond? Jim also responded, but since your specialty is IP, I’d appreciate your input. No pressure if you don’t want to do it. tx/ciao

    • PK
      04/17/2013 at 2:31 pm

      Jim — WOBO has sketched — among other things — Juan, Flores, and Juror #5, and placed them for sale online. Is there such a thing as the right to one’s likeness? Can she be served with something similar to a Cease & Desist order to prevent her from continuing to do this? There is no doubt in my mind she has already sketched ALL the jurors, the Judge, and most of the witnesses, and will try to sell them as soon as the trial is over. Once a trial is over, doesn’t each juror have the right to either publicly identify themselves or choose to remain anonymous? I know after the Casey Anthony trial the judge ordered the names of the jurors withheld for a period of time to protect them from the media. Is there a difference between the rights of the officers of the court and the rights of the private citizens who were jurors?

      First Amendment rules. Once in the spotlight there is no turning it off so sketches or even caricatures of “celebrities” are very common regardless who creates them for sale or otherwise and they may be copyrighted but best not be used as “trademarks” on products or services through interstate commerce. Until convicted, JA can sell whatever she wants wherever she can though I understand ebay has forbidden an listings of her works. After conviction, it is a different story and hopefully the Alexander family will file a wrongful death suit against JA to get a judgment to asure that any money made by JA through any means will go the the Alexanrders.

      • Schaeffer
        04/17/2013 at 3:17 pm

        I understand about public figures, i.e. the officers of the court in this instance, but what about the jurors? Given how much hysteria the defense has displayed about the jurors being identified, where is their right to their own likeness? I am assuming since Juror #5 came to court after she was dismissed, she has essentially publicly identified herself. What about the jurors who do NOT consent to media interviews after the trial? What if sketches of them appear, identifying them as “Juror #x, aka The Notetaker”?

      • Crystal Harris
        04/17/2013 at 4:42 pm

        Jodi would be in contempt of court if she identified a juror, subject to punishment by the Judge.

    • PK
      04/17/2013 at 4:45 pm

      IP law is my specialty, so if any of the jurors faces appear on commercial products or services they would have a valid trademark issue to pursue. The right to privacy issue, if any, is outside of my practice area.

  179. NapaNonnie
    04/17/2013 at 2:10 pm

    “According to the falsified traumatic event that she was referring to.” Right on Dr D!! Willnotwinthiscase is barely treading water with this cross.

  180. Moon
    04/17/2013 at 2:14 pm

    whiner willnot: you are a laughing stock! is this really all you’ve got?? you aren’t gonna win this battle you are a disgrace!

  181. Jay
    04/17/2013 at 2:17 pm

    The Jail House diet… Arias looking gaunter by the day…

    • HJ Madison
      04/17/2013 at 2:21 pm

      Well that puke green color does nothing for her complexion! I wonder if Donovon can do her colors. Hope orange and striped are on the list.

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 2:21 pm

      chris stark ‏@stark3923
      PHOTO’S #JodiArias Starving in Jail
      Manipulate Jurors to not vote Death Pen
      As Death Row is Extremely Restrive Prison pic.twitter.com/3sG0M7yvAj

    • Crystal Harris
      04/17/2013 at 4:33 pm

      If I ate 2600 calories, I’d be gaining weight! Don’t know what her problem is.

  182. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 2:20 pm

    wobo threw in the towel in the F to F encounter yesterday. She didnt wash her hair, dropped the glasses, looks like shit. OK! Onle thing she forgot was the white towel, See wobo, you were reading “The Rich Man from Babylon” when really smart girls were studying more and staying in school. Good looking women too. Like Dr Janeen. Back to the coloring book, and dont forget to take your nap!

    • NapaNonnie
      04/17/2013 at 2:28 pm

      Agree 100%

  183. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 2:21 pm

    5 pm ET presser on Marathon bombing

  184. Jay
    04/17/2013 at 2:21 pm

    Long sidebar… judge examining the ‘missing’ notes..Nurmi in penguin stance

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 2:22 pm


    • 04/17/2013 at 4:10 pm

      Nurmi is sure looking bored-about ready to fall asleep. These questions about fees for clients etc is so outlandish. I can’t really blame him for looking bored. I’m behind in viewing…

  185. Moon
    04/17/2013 at 2:21 pm

    clocks sure run differently in AZ then they do in CO! and WTH??? he was objecting b4 our 10 min ( ha lol on that) break and now back up… surprised she didn’t send the jury to and early lunch. utter nonsense

  186. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 2:23 pm

    The pic of DrJ on donchaisreport reminded me of a combo: she;s got the style of Suasn Sarandon, the mouth of Geena Davis and the cheeks of Jennifer Tilly. (maybe thats why Im on the f&^%$in couch!, maybe I said things like that also!)

    • Moon
      04/17/2013 at 2:28 pm

      lol probably!!

  187. Jay
    04/17/2013 at 2:24 pm

    Judge didn’t allow the evidence defense wanted to use..

  188. Ronni
    04/17/2013 at 2:25 pm

    I Don’t Understand HoW Jennifer Willmott Is Trying so Hard To Find A Flaw With ThIs Witness. Its Funny To See Jody Arias Tsking This Serious As She Sits And Draws All Day. Just Hurry Up And Give Her The Needle Already. Its Sad When Someones Life Is Taken And The Defense Attorneys Know She Is Guilty. Why Do Yhey Try To Get Them Off If They Know This.If It Was Someone Related To Mrs. Willmott, Im Sure She Wouldnt Be Sitting NeXt To The Killer Holding his\Her Hand. Shame On You Jennifer. Maybe When She Gets The Death Penalty You CAn Inject Her.

    • Crystal Harris
      04/17/2013 at 4:25 pm

      I agree, it’s sickening. My stepsister is a public defender and it seriously causes problems in our family because of the disgust so many of us feel toward what she does.

  189. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 2:26 pm

    Attaboy Juan! He came to her rescue; perky’s trying to get into stuff they already talekd about! Janeen!! can you hear me??? Trust Juan, He;s got your back,

  190. Schaeffer
    04/17/2013 at 2:27 pm

    WOBO forgot to lower her chair today.

  191. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 2:29 pm

    Ah you can see the book next to wobo. Its Perky’s HB copy of the DSM IV,iTs lying upside down. Maybe Perky read it that way thats why shes so confused?

  192. Jane
    04/17/2013 at 2:29 pm

    Gawwd! She’s getting either a fever or a headache, holding her h forehead. Probably got sick from her own stench. Stopping court early seems in the agenda. Judge should just hand her a rope.

  193. Kathy A.
    04/17/2013 at 2:30 pm

    I know jurors are not supposed to be influenced by such things, but they are human and I know if I were a juror in this case, putting my life on hold, I would be highly annoyed with a defendant who couldn’t even be bothered to pay attention to the proceedings and i’m sure it would color my decision-making process. She doesn’t care, so why should I?

    • Jay
      04/17/2013 at 2:33 pm


    • HJ Madison
      04/17/2013 at 2:36 pm

      Oh to the contrary! You should examine the WOBO. That is what facing your accuser and trial by your peers is all about. Absolutley her behavior could play into your impression. Feel free to be annoyed! I am surprised the DT doesn’t make her pay attention. I suspect they are more concerned about the her sticking her tongue out or something like that at the good Dr. Better to let her color!

      • Kathy A.
        04/17/2013 at 2:48 pm

        That’s true. I remember several of the jurors in the Scott Peterson case said that his demeanor – specifically his lack of emotion or affect – played heavily into their decision to give him the death penalty, even though they tried to find reasons not to. So color on, Jodi! 🙂

  194. DRP
    04/17/2013 at 2:30 pm

    Is there another mobile site other than wild about trial? Their site is not working and I refuse to watch him.

  195. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 2:32 pm

    now the Perk’s asking for the stuff Juan asked about. Her scoring sheets. The scoring done by hand. She hoping like hell she’ll find an erased #

  196. Schaeffer
    04/17/2013 at 2:32 pm

    “Are you aware, Ms. Wilmott, that you are coming across as a first class bitch, NOS?”

    • Jay
      04/17/2013 at 2:33 pm

      first class bore too…

    • 04/17/2013 at 2:42 pm

      Thank you Schaeffer!!! Beginning to wonder about Willy’s personality. I do believe Dr. D is so well educated and cspable she knows how to respond to someone like her. Willy talking so fast to try and trip her up or is willy just really incompetent??

  197. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 2:37 pm

    perk “thinks” she scored a point but its so small a point its indecipherable to the human eye, DrJ was “well within her obligations” to use that versionj of a test.Perk was it worth it? I mean THAT question. Each time you whine out a stupid question or an unknowing one, you waste our time.! Hey Janeen!!!! Whats GidgetsIQ? 95? 86?

  198. Moon
    04/17/2013 at 2:38 pm

    lol the ho’s highest scores relate to sexual concerns! imagine that can you say… not getting laid anytime soon??

    • NapaNonnie
      04/17/2013 at 4:45 pm

      At least not hetero, she will have to find other options behind bars

  199. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 2:42 pm

    de[t of collataral info::notice when LaGasbag was asked if saying “no jury would convict me” was from someone with low self esteem. LaLa answered “That was a stupid answer to the question. She DIDN’T answer the question,
    Dr J would answer of course not

  200. Schaeffer
    04/17/2013 at 2:43 pm

    Considering Samuels was using DSM-I (one) and ALV’s education, mindset, and methods were firmly stuck in the 70s, JW should not be harping on about Dr. DeMarte using the TSI-2, which had just been released.

  201. Nienna
    04/17/2013 at 2:44 pm

    It’s NOT part of the scoring. You’re an idiot, move on!

  202. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 2:44 pm

    Perk is trying to “catch” the Doc but cant.
    Perky says did you do this blah
    Doc No
    Perk: So you didnt use this?
    Doc: it wasn’t part of the test

    This is Cross exam at the peak ladies ands gnetlemen,

  203. Moon
    04/17/2013 at 2:45 pm

    does anyone know if the ho is still tweeting??

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 2:50 pm

      Not since April 13th

      • Moon
        04/17/2013 at 3:06 pm

        ty. i had a feeling it would stop after juan brought it up friday. i sure hope juan has screen shots of evthing that has been there. i know she had a few deleted. i would hope that this fact can be used during mitigation phase. i don’t think the jurors will like this fact and it should be used against her during that phase!

  204. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 2:46 pm

    When Perky says “right” seconds after a question, its like a STRIKE to the NECK with achop stick

    • PAM
      04/17/2013 at 3:17 pm

      You are so “right”.

  205. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 2:48 pm

    so lenore walker …lets see…we talked …are there any books that you rely on….
    maybe we should have heard Lenore Walker. She probably wouldnt come near the place.
    She asking her what she reads? What the hell What does Perky read? Obviously not books on good presentation.

    • Crystal Harris
      04/17/2013 at 4:18 pm

      Dr DeMarte is explaining how professionals stay up to speed on this day and age…the Information Age. In ALV’s heyday, you would buy a book, read it, etc. I am a Financial Advisor, I used to have a subscription to the Wall St Journal, Barron’s, etc. Now, I have a list if blogs I read everyday that links me to other research and articles that relate to whatever I need.

  206. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 2:53 pm

    what do you mean by global view? Hahahahah OK DocJ

  207. Schaeffer
    04/17/2013 at 2:54 pm

    What is that look on WOBO’s face?

    • Moon
      04/17/2013 at 3:20 pm

      i know! that has got to be the oddest expressions we’ve seen so far… strange very strange

  208. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 2:56 pm

    Department of Justice says no arrest made in Boston Marathon bombings.

  209. PK
    04/17/2013 at 2:56 pm

    Nothing more foolish than a second rate non-death penalty certified defense attorney pretending to know anything about forensic psychology.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/17/2013 at 2:58 pm

      smoother than my version,! LOL

    • HJ Madison
      04/17/2013 at 2:58 pm

      I thought Wilmot was a DP qualified defense attorney, no?

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/17/2013 at 3:01 pm

        yeaa but whats a little “non”– he “misspoke”

      • PK
        04/17/2013 at 4:27 pm

        My understanding is that she is not death penalty certified so Nurmi, who is, was added to the defense team.

    • PK
      04/17/2013 at 5:00 pm

      My error. I just learned that Judge Stephens appointed Jennifer Willmott as Arias’ new death penalty-qualified defense attorney.

  210. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 2:57 pm

    like asking Perky if she is an “expert” in real estate law or patents. So she is not an “expert: in the “sopeciifc field of “battered women”

  211. HJ Madison
    04/17/2013 at 2:57 pm

    Giget: See…. so there….. nananananana

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/17/2013 at 2:59 pm

      RFLAO I mean thats it

  212. LouGarrett
    04/17/2013 at 3:05 pm

    Everyone in the defense’s corner has accused Juan of being nasty in court and down right mean. I’m sorry but Juan is the voice of Travis Alexander. He represents the victim in every way. He is Travis. In my opinion, he speaks for Travis and wants justice for Travis. They truly need to burn this witch on the stake.

  213. LouGarrett
    04/17/2013 at 3:15 pm

    Also, the jury will need to tack on another 3.75 years for perjury as it’s a Class 4 felony charge in AZ (I believe). WOW, if she’s not burned at the stake or taking the horizontal way out then perhaps they can give her life and tack on the extra years for perjuring herself. There are so many lies she has told under oath.

  214. Kathy A.
    04/17/2013 at 3:43 pm

    HLN makes me laugh. Mike Galanos keeps referring to “combat in the courtroom” and a “fierce courtroom battle.” I don’t know what he’s watching, but I’m watching a peevish, jealous, snarky defense attorney questioning a very calm, professional Dr. Demarte who refuses to let Willnot trip her up.

    • Charlotte
      04/17/2013 at 4:33 pm

      What is even more funny is when Dr. DeMarte has to “correct” Willmott because she keeps confusing terms. Willmott is trying I guess, but she just can’t stand up to it.

  215. Schaeffer
    04/17/2013 at 3:44 pm

    When the topic of the Valentine’s Day text message came up yesterday, I went back to look at the pictures of the t-shirt and underwear. I’m pretty sure everyone here thinks WOBO made them herself using iron-on letters. However, something else hit me in the face yesterday.

    There is no way he would have printed Travis’ with a possessive apostrophe; he would have printed Travis’s. After reading Travis’s blog, text messages, and e-mails, it is obvious that grammar and punctuation were difficult for him. However, we have all seen countless examples of WOBO correcting people’s grammar, and it was even testified to in court. Only she would have printed it the way it is on the underwear.

    Please, rest assured I am not dissing Travis in any way, because it is the meaning of his writings that are important. However, since he indicated he often missed school when he was young, it is perfectly understandable; grammar and punctuation are difficult for many people, with or without education. The point I’m making is that WOBO’s smart ass uppity attitude and inflated sense of intelligence is her downfall.

    I love it when WOBO’s words are used against her. She thinks she can just keep talking and outsmart everyone, but in many ways, all that talking has been her undoing. It was for that very reason I dubbed her The Whore of Babble On . . . & On & On & On.

    • Jay
      04/17/2013 at 4:10 pm

      During cross, LaViolette testified (without objection from JM) that Travis gave Spider Man underwear to another woman as well — I think that’s when the Cameron Diaz info may have come up

      • Schaeffer
        04/17/2013 at 4:15 pm

        Two different sets of underwear. One was Spiderman, the other was the pair with his name, and the t-shirt with his name.

  216. Schaeffer
    04/17/2013 at 3:50 pm

    PS Actually, Travis’s is correct. I’m not going to give a lesson, but she did it wrong in an effort to look smart, when in fact it was just the opposite.

  217. Jay
    04/17/2013 at 4:20 pm

    I’m not happy with the media right now. At this moment, there’s no confirmation as previously reported anyone involved in the Boston Marathon bombings is in custody; and though it’s confirmed the authorities do have photo ID of a suspect (but no name or address) that info was ‘leaked’ via the press. The investigators were upset when that came out, because it probably alerted the perpetrator(s), making it more difficult to get them. This info just reported on CNN — and assuming it’s reliable (with all the other false stories from them and others, who knows if its accurate or not) it’ss one more depressing example of stupidity, from the media, or some sap investigating the story, or both.

    • Kathy A.
      04/17/2013 at 4:28 pm

      In their quest to be the first to report on something, and not thoroughly checking things out, the media can sometimes do some real harm. I live in Tucson, Arizona and was here on January 8, 2011 when Gerald Loughner went on his shooting spree that killed several people and wounded 14 others, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. A couple of media outlets began immediately reporting that Giffords was dead – and that’s what her husband, family, and co-workers and members of the general public heard before they scrambled to correct it. Thankfully that turned out not to be true, but there should be some sort of repercussions or sanctions on members of the media when they report false information that has consequences.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/17/2013 at 4:46 pm

        corporations whose priority are shareholders control the airwaves and have controlled the distribution of papers for 100 years. The internet is still new. Journalism will rise again,and when it does it will question, not regurgitate power,or the views of their corporate handlers.

    • 04/17/2013 at 4:31 pm

      Couldn’t agree more! Our media is a joke in the United States.

      Instead of young people wanting to go into journalism to investigate and report the truth of an event, they now feel it’s their role to try and “change the world” and “make a difference.”

      F-ing Twits!

    • Lisa M
      04/17/2013 at 4:35 pm

      I know! I can’t believe they totally jumped the gun and reported false information!

      • Lisa M
        04/17/2013 at 4:37 pm

        It’s pretty embarassing when a big news outlet like CNN gets something like that wrong and then doesn’t offer a mea culpa.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/17/2013 at 4:42 pm

        in Nov 1963 ALL of the newscasts said that “Oswald” used a German Mauser 7,5mm rifle. 24 hours later-after a receit was “found” it was called an Italian Mannlichter-Carcano 6.5mm.
        Just sayin’

      • MMD
        04/17/2013 at 4:43 pm

        The AP was reporting it as well. Don’t know about Fox.

  218. Moon
    04/17/2013 at 4:26 pm

    jeeez good thing the judge said 1:20… hoping that means it will actually start at 1:30
    also, where the hell is the baliff again?? he wasn’t even in camera shot this morning..DO YOUR JOB!

  219. Douglme
    04/17/2013 at 4:31 pm

    What is it that they cannot seem to get started on time? Doesn’t matter if it is morning, mid-morning, noon, or mid afternoon…they just can’t seem to do it? Is that the Judge’s fault?

    • 04/17/2013 at 4:33 pm

      It’s the Judge’s Courtroom…so yes, it’s her responsibility.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/17/2013 at 4:39 pm

        i agree. If you learn one thing very fast in the court system its that the Judge can make a BIG difference. I used a conductor of orchestra as one example, but also a film director. Lots of people doing work; keep it all moving. The extra caution about possible appeals is unreasonable; as many posters say, a tiny % are successful and always on matter sof law. THIS jury will decide the FACTS of the case forever–like all juries,unless soemthing like DNA or a real booboo on the Judges instructions to the jury.

  220. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 4:33 pm

    See wobo, you were reading “The Rich Man from Babylon” when really smart girls were studying more and staying in school. Good looking women too. Like Dr Janeen. Back to the coloring book, and dont forget to take your nap!

    Hey Schaeffer–did you see this about your anagrammam?

  221. Nienna
    04/17/2013 at 4:38 pm

    Great! In chambers AGAIN!

    • Nienna
      04/17/2013 at 4:40 pm

      Well the defense and JA are. JM is in the courtroom. Defense probably eliminating another juror. Knocked on wood, that this is not happening!

      • Douglme
        04/17/2013 at 4:55 pm

        Juror probably farted this time!

      • Nienna
        04/17/2013 at 4:56 pm

        You’re probably right 🙂

  222. 04/17/2013 at 4:46 pm

    Boy, Willmot is no Nurmi!!!!!

  223. Moon
    04/17/2013 at 4:47 pm

    OFFS!! and they call this a “short break” come on let’s get this started again!

  224. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 4:48 pm

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
    So quiet in here you could hear a salmon drop. Still waiting patiently

  225. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 4:49 pm

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
    Juan, Flores and Dr. D just came to the side room by me

  226. Jay
    04/17/2013 at 4:51 pm

    Ironic and somewhat mind-boggling:

    I just googled Dr. Lenore Walker.

    Yes, she was the first to write a book about ‘battered person syndrome,’ titled The Cycle of Abuse. Back in the 1970s her theories were used as a legal defense for abused women who murdered their husbands in a premeditated fashion. Her book taught that woman were not able to leave abusive husbands due to ‘learned helplessness.’ and preached that threatened by increasing violence, and if believing the only way to protect herself (and or dependent children) it was OK to “eliminate the partner when he was more vulnerable, for example, while sleeping.”

    That BPS came under attack as a legal defense from many sources on multiple grounds, including the fact that the abused person may have decided to kill for other reasons then abuse, like collecting on life insurance policies for instance. But Walker’s theories that abusive relationships were characterized by predictable repetitious patterns of abuse, and that physical abuse was nearly always preceded by mental and emotional abuse, became an established pattern for for diagnosing BPS; and it’s certainly a bedrock of LaViolette’s domestic abuse liturgy. And so you’d think that Walker’s work is a resource that Perky-Pest would not want to disparage when questioning Dr J.

    But get this — and I’m not making it it — Walker was a defense witness in the O.J. Simpson murder trial, testifying that O.J. didn’t fit the empirical data known for domestic violence!

    Is it possible the DT would/could bring that up? And infer that the state’s expert witness is trying to disparage Arias’ claim of domestic violence by relying on a book by an author who testified Nicole Simpson wasn’t a domestic violence victim?

    (apologies if i messed up any of the psychological terms)

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/17/2013 at 5:22 pm

      “But get this — and I’m not making it it — Walker was a defense witness in the O.J. Simpson murder trial, testifying that O.J. didn’t fit the empirical data known for domestic violence!”


    • Crystal Harris
      04/17/2013 at 5:30 pm

      You should research and see how often the Battered Woman Defense has been successful in America in acquitting a woman of a Pre-meditated murder. My understanding is that it is nearly impossible. I’d bet less than 20 people have ever successfully used this defense for Pre-meditated murder.
      Lenore Walker, Alyce LaViolette, et al are all in a class of researchers who are extremely questionable in their work. And Walker’s work for OJ Simpson just proves that they all have a price tag.

  227. Nienna
    04/17/2013 at 4:54 pm

    At recess until 2:30!!

  228. Moon
    04/17/2013 at 4:54 pm

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
    Valerie just informed us we are at recess until 2:30. #JodiArias left the courtroom.

  229. Nienna
    04/17/2013 at 4:55 pm


  230. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 4:57 pm

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
    Valerie just informed us we are at recess until 2:30. #JodiArias left the courtroom.

    Betcha that means closer to after 3 😦

  231. 04/17/2013 at 4:57 pm

    Jay, that’s why I have not a lot of respect for Walker. How could the woman that coined the term battered women’s syndrome, testify on a staker, batterer, and ultimately Killer’s behalf…A Few More Pennies For The Kettle.

    • Douglme
      04/17/2013 at 5:02 pm

      Disgusting, isn’t it!

  232. Douglme
    04/17/2013 at 4:58 pm

    Eraser crumbs in her eye?

  233. Douglme
    04/17/2013 at 4:59 pm

    Oh Dear, I’m gettin’ crabby…lol

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 5:00 pm

      We all are 😉

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 5:01 pm

      Maybe bitchy Gidget is rubbing off on us 😦

  234. Anna
    04/17/2013 at 5:01 pm

    If y’all want something to cheer you up i recommend this vid called “Dog Wants a Kitty”:

    • Anna
      04/17/2013 at 5:01 pm

      wowzers…auto embed…cool

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 5:03 pm

      aweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 🙂 That’s why I have more than 1 dog!!!

    • Douglme
      04/17/2013 at 5:07 pm

      LOL…loved it, thank you!

    • HJ Madison
      04/17/2013 at 5:08 pm

      You made me snort I laughed so hard! THANKS! 🙂

    • katz63md
      04/17/2013 at 5:10 pm

      Thanks Anna, I really needed that. Sooo darn cute.

  235. 04/17/2013 at 5:02 pm

    Actually she didn’t testify, she just interviewed Simpson behind bars a few times. Her notes of those interviews were brought out in Simpson’s Civil Trial

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 5:04 pm

      Didn’t do him much good in the civil trial did it!!!!!! 🙂

      • 04/17/2013 at 5:29 pm

        And MMD, there you have it! The answer to a question I didn’t know I was asking.

        Why am I taken with this case. Because I wasn’t hooked before I saw the first seconds of Juan’s Cross of Arias; His precision, her arrogance. Hes a jedi master.

        In 95/96, a killer was set loose and the country was shocked. A terrible miscarriage of justice had happened. Daniel Petrocelli, a civil litigation lawyer, took the lead. And he destroyed.

        Two stalwart defenders of truth. Every question you want asked, they’ve already asked in the time it took to write write. Petrocelli and Martinez, Two of my heroes.

    • Jay
      04/17/2013 at 5:32 pm

      You’re correct. Seems she was going to testify but was dissuaded by an uproar from the domestic violence community, citing the same criticisms aimed at LaViolette, that it would sent a bad message to about real domestic violence. Too bad LaLa didn’t heed that message and advice.

  236. Marilyn N
    04/17/2013 at 5:02 pm

    JA & the Worm probably eyeballed another juror to eliminate.

  237. 04/17/2013 at 5:04 pm

    Robert in Rotterdam :
    i agree. If you learn one thing very fast in the court system its that the Judge can make a BIG difference. I used a conductor of orchestra as one example, but also a film director. Lots of people doing work; keep it all moving. The extra caution about possible appeals is unreasonable; as many posters say, a tiny % are successful and always on matter sof law. THIS jury will decide the FACTS of the case forever–like all juries,unless soemthing like DNA or a real booboo on the Judges instructions to the jury.

    Good observations Robert!

  238. Kathy A.
    04/17/2013 at 5:11 pm

    Good grief! I know there are issues that come up in a trial that have to be dealt with immediately, but instead of all of these delays couldn’t the judge insist that some of this be handled after court recesses for the day or before it starts, as long as it starts on time? Seems like they never start on time.

  239. Douglme
    04/17/2013 at 5:13 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGeKSiCQkPw One of my all time favorites!

    • HJ Madison
      04/17/2013 at 5:20 pm

      OMG…..I must be living under a rock! That is a riot!! Thank you, thank you!

      • Douglme
        04/17/2013 at 5:23 pm

        I can’t count how many times I have watched that video and laugh just as hard as the first time every time I watch it!

    • Anna
      04/17/2013 at 5:45 pm

      LMAO!! How do they do these things? So clever.

  240. Crystal Harris
    04/17/2013 at 5:20 pm

    Why the heck is there another court delay til 2:30?

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/17/2013 at 5:25 pm

      another case of CYA

  241. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 5:30 pm

    Maybe the cameras affect the Judge;maybe as Wormi says, the “whole world” is watching (what a hoot when he decided to be stentorian).The caution of a first timer is one thing; an inability to take control and direct the action in a way that is economical, is another. The latter has applied in this case imo.

  242. Douglme
    04/17/2013 at 5:31 pm

    Well here it is 2:30 PM what will the next announcement be, court cancelled for the day?

    • truejustice
      04/17/2013 at 5:35 pm

      looks like you may have predicted Correctly

  243. 04/17/2013 at 5:32 pm

    @MMD upstairs. #559

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 5:35 pm

      Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🙂

  244. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 5:33 pm

    wheres wobo?

  245. truejustice
    04/17/2013 at 5:33 pm

    it is me or is this the end of the day … again.
    JA have another headache ??

  246. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 5:33 pm

    JA isn’t in court – betcha she pulled the sick card 😉

  247. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 5:34 pm

    I mean she lost the Janeen face-off; maybe she had to cry? Oversleep inher nap?

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 5:40 pm


  248. truejustice
    04/17/2013 at 5:35 pm

    OH WAIT – there is ja ..

    • truejustice
      04/17/2013 at 5:36 pm

      I would be so angry if I was this jury … or their employers !

  249. katz63md
    04/17/2013 at 5:36 pm


  250. Jay
    04/17/2013 at 5:36 pm

    now what

  251. 04/17/2013 at 5:37 pm

    Son-of-a-bitch!!!!!!! This is unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!

  252. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/17/2013 at 5:37 pm

    only in courts. Films, theater, ballet, space, engineering, teaching journalism–all these folks get the job done on time. Probably because there is always someone over them.

  253. HJ Madison
    04/17/2013 at 5:37 pm

    That little faker! Though she did look worse than usual.

    • Douglme
      04/17/2013 at 5:41 pm

      Give her a bucket!

  254. Jay
    04/17/2013 at 5:38 pm

    Martinez and Judge grinning at each other… what’s the joke?

    • HJ Madison
      04/17/2013 at 5:40 pm

      Happy to play hooky maybe?

      • Jay
        04/17/2013 at 5:41 pm

        none of us are smiling

  255. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 5:39 pm

    Betcha that was the judge’s daughter – looks like her!!!

  256. 04/17/2013 at 5:40 pm

    WildAboutTrial ‏@WildAboutTrial 1m
    #JodiArias looks like she is about to upchuck. Court will resume tomorrow morning at 9:30am.

    I hope to God somebody poisoned her!!!!!

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 5:46 pm

      maybe someone gave her ricin????????

    • HJ Madison
      04/17/2013 at 5:47 pm

      Oh yah but the slow, painful kind…..where that bus ride back to her cell will be pure hell! Maybe it was her fine bologna sammy. Ick.

  257. HJ Madison
    04/17/2013 at 5:42 pm

    RnR: Maybe you can get back in the bedroom?

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 5:44 pm

      That’s right Robert – after all you should get brownie points for getting off the computer early. Just make sure you tape your mouth shut when it’s time to go to sleep!!! 🙂

  258. MMD
    04/17/2013 at 5:42 pm

    Bubble – Daniel Petrocelli is the one that found the picture of OJ in the shoes, that he said he wouldn’t be caught owning, as well!!!

  259. Jay
    04/17/2013 at 5:43 pm

    this recess is bad for my health — means I’m getting to my bar at least an hour early

    • Anna
      04/17/2013 at 5:48 pm

      I’ll join you. It’s almost 5 o clock here. *clink*

  260. 04/17/2013 at 5:44 pm

    Headache day

  261. 04/17/2013 at 5:46 pm

    Yes, those “ugly ass” shoes.

    • MMD
      04/17/2013 at 5:47 pm

      That’s right – I think that was his exact quote!!!!

  262. donchais
    04/17/2013 at 5:50 pm

    Mom really pissed off today…go play and play nice…{{{ }}}

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