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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – Day Fifty-One, Discussion

04/20/2013

Please carry-on here!

thx

donchais

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  1. Kristy
    04/20/2013 at 3:44 pm

    Thanks for starting a new page, the scroll was killing my refresh!

  2. Kristy
    04/20/2013 at 3:48 pm

    Back to my last question regarding Jodi’s hard drive and how Jodi explained that getting trashed? Anyone know the story on the hard drive. It just struck me given that we had so recently heard about the Newtown killer doing that.

  3. Anna
    04/20/2013 at 3:48 pm

    Oooooh, it looks so nice here, Mom….thank you for all the upgrades & pretty spring flowers!!! 🙂

  4. 04/20/2013 at 5:22 pm

    G’Day Ya’ll

  5. 04/20/2013 at 5:25 pm

    Kristy, I recall some mention of the destroyed hard drive. Probably wrong, but think it came up in the Fores interrogation.

  6. Schaeffer
    04/20/2013 at 5:31 pm

    HJ Madison & Jim — re: felony murder charge

    Originally there was a charge of robbery, based on the reasoning that once Travis was murdered, WOBO was no longer in his house as an invited guest. I don’t know if this charge still stands, however. I know the DT has demanded it be dropped many times.

    • NancyB
      04/20/2013 at 6:53 pm

      Schaeffer – My understanding is that it still stands. Those 2 charges – Felony Murder and Premeditated Murder are currently the only charges. The charging conference happens after all evidence has been presented and before the jury is given instructions. The lawyers can argue for or against instructions for lesser included offenses, and the judge will give instructions for any lesser included offenses that could possibly be supported by the evidence.

      If I had to guess, I’d say the jury will get instructions for manslaughter and maybe 2nd degree murder, although I don’t really see any evidence for 2nd degree since Jodi can’t remember what was happening at the time she killed Travis. I think the judge will give the instruction anyway, if the defense requests it.

    • NancyB
      04/20/2013 at 7:02 pm

      And ALV said that Jodi’s behavior is consistent with that of a victim of DV, and that a reasonable victim of DV would have interpreted Travis’s alleged “body slam” on June 4 as requiring a response with deadly force.

      The reason for trying to prove this is that, Arizona has a special self-defense law for victims of DV. If you are a victim of DV, your response to an attack is judged by how a reasonable victim of DV would react, rather than how a reasonable “person” would react.

      ONE BIG PROBLEM:

      Jodi never SAID that she interpreted Travis’ attack as requiring a response with deadly force. She said she never intended to shoot him at all, and thought the gun was unloaded!

      She believed that his actions justified a “scaring him off with a gun he would have known was unloaded” response, not a “shooting him in the head response.”

      Juan objected to ALV testifying to how a reasonable DV victim would respond since Jodi never claimed to have responded that way. Frankly, I would object to her testimony in its entirety as irrelevant, for the same reason. But the judge allowed some of it, if I’m not mistaken.

      • TexiBelle
        04/20/2013 at 7:15 pm

        iiiiiiiiiiiinnnnteresting.

      • Lisa M
        04/20/2013 at 8:05 pm

        I love the points you’re making, Nancy. I think if Juan were to review all of Jodi’s testimony he would find many examples of inconsistencies regarding the claim of battered woman syndrome. If you’ll remember, there were so many times when Jodi didn’t go where her attorneys were trying to lead her. As horrible as she is, she was actually more honest and forthright than they were on some issues. For example, she never said that any of the sex wasn’t consensual, yet they repeatedly tried to suggest that some of sex acts were coerced or even forced on her. “He threw her over the desk and…” for example. But Jodi never went as far as to say that. Unfortunately that forthrightness doesn’t cover all the lies she told about the physical abuse and pedophilia.

      • Lisa M
        04/20/2013 at 8:07 pm

        Add to my comments: and the lies she told about just about everything else! (including the way the killing took place and her loss of memory)

    • Jim
      04/21/2013 at 12:19 am

      Thanks Schaeffer and Nancy – I didn’t start following until just before JA took the stand – other than the recent mention of the stolen ring, I hadn’t seen any evidence come in…

    • HJ Madison
      04/21/2013 at 3:31 am

      Thanks Schaeffer and Nancy (and Jim too) I had forgotten that wonderfully creative idea that after she pulled the knife TA would no longer consider her a guest! As I said in an earlier post, given the amount of circumstantial evidence that supports premeditation, if JA is not convicted of 1st degree I will loose all faith! It seems like nearly every one of her conniving acts were uncovered by JM and the detectives. And I am so glad that Wilnot did that idiotic cross of Dr. D to press for more examples, thus opening the door for all those juicy details to come out – the christmas tree, the ring, and best of all the expanded explanation of why TA called her all those names on May 26th. Thanks again.

  7. Schaeffer
    04/20/2013 at 6:05 pm

    Donchais — thank you SO MUCH for refocusing everyone. You are doing such a great job with everything, and you were much more tactful than I was getting ready to be.

    • Tracey A
      04/20/2013 at 6:48 pm

      Hey Girl! How ya been??? I think you were looking for me yesterday and I missed ya. 😦 Going back over to check out what I missed…

      • Schaeffer
        04/20/2013 at 7:22 pm

        Did you ever decide what WOBO did on the road trip, especially timing it so she arrived in the middle of the night? Also, did you see my thought about the braids? You may have already responded and I just missed it. If so, I can go back and search if you don’t want to re-post.

    • Tracey A
      04/21/2013 at 12:54 am

      Schaeffer – You still here? Life got in the way again. Not sure I saw your post on “the braids” thing but I’ve missed much this week.

      I thought I posted my hypothesis on JA’s travels. But even I can’t find that at the moment. Fortunately, I entered my thoughts in a different format so I have it saved. And as I reviewed it for accuracy, with road atlas in hand, something BIG jumped out on me. Most of what I hypothesized is still correct (at least in my head). But the trip from Pasadena to Mesa has me rethinking. Let me take the time to do due diligence and revise that portion of JA’s trip. It was an Ah-Ha moment when I saw it! So bear with me till tomorrow. I have to rewrite a significant portion.

      Thanks for hanging in there with me. 🙂 But I’m on to something right now and have to think it through.

  8. 04/20/2013 at 6:22 pm

    Hello all and good afternoon – Wingnut and Recliner guy are so stupid they cant even remember their own clinets testimony. Did WOBO not say that when she was taking the pictures that she was in a crouching position. So when the 2 dum dums wanted the photograph of Travis eye with the outline drawn in admitted – that person is standing – How do you get a head on photo first of all when you are in a standing position? Did WOBO also not say that Travis picked her up from a crouching position and body slammed her to the floor? This is iike watching the keystone cops IMO. I have so many questions and thank you all for being able to answer most of them for me hat actually make sense. I wonder if Juan will criticize Wingnuts and Recliner mans disgusting behaviour like they tried to do with him, probably not because he has too much class. What is the penalty for lawyers in Arizona if any for gving false information – re: the Lenore Walker 6 points scale. That was a blatant lie. Can these lawyers be sanctioned and brought before the bar. Do you think that heir careers for what they are could be jeopardized? It states that Wingnut is DP qualified – what does that entail (we don’t have the DP in Canada)? Can it be revoked? Have to stop now brain is getting scrambled. hank you all again.

    • Jay
      04/20/2013 at 7:42 pm

      C.I. — the angle of the eye-enhancement photo was discussed here during that witness’s testimony and after JM’s stipulation…

      Some here concluded the photo, showing Travis in the shower, indicates he’s in a sitting position. Two more photos follow (of arms and his side– most likely still in a sitting position) before she claims she dropped the camera and he charged and body slammed her.

      • Douglme
        04/20/2013 at 8:08 pm

        My question…if Travis is sitting in the picture where they enhanced the eye, why is the reflection they are showing “standing”? Someone not thinking or making up stories again!

  9. 04/20/2013 at 6:23 pm

    Sorry for the typos all fingers are faster than my brain today.

  10. 04/20/2013 at 6:40 pm

    Oops meant to say brain is faster than fingers today.

  11. Tracey A
    04/20/2013 at 6:46 pm

    Hey all! Just getting checked in here. Gotta head back to previous thread…major catching up to do, as usual….

  12. ChiefonaShip
    04/20/2013 at 7:23 pm

    Hiya, one thing pundits kept detracting points from Dr D was for youth/inexperience. I thought about this a lot. No offense to any long term mental professional except Dr Fog & LaToilette but I’d rather have someone fresh and seemingly on top of time-proven theories, while open minded to methods and theories being developed. I’m a long term Sailor but as our mission, role and technologies change, an effective Sailor does, too. I value my newbies for their approach and crusties like me. Dr Fog & LaT have no use for anyone except the check signer. JMHO.

    • 04/20/2013 at 8:00 pm

      We felt the same way about Dr. D’s credentials! As we are part of the very senior generation we know only too well that the younger generation is very much in tune with today’s technology and the ability to have the necessary resources right at your fingertips by web search. This not to take away from any senior still practicing in their chosen profession, however one of the main reasons most of us old hens finally called it quits was because we could see that although we had the historical knowledge for processes and procedures to do our jobs, just the fact that our companies were moving ahead with bigger and better ways of doing things that involved today’s technologies we knew it was time to bow to the youth of today. If you remember Willanurmi continually questioning Dr. D’s use and reference of “journals” and Dr. D telling her over and over that she did not reference journals that she searched the internet by the symtom and was able to find updated research via a broad database. Stupid Willanurmi just didn’t get it!! She still has her mind wrapped around a hard copy book!! Talk about being out of touch!! Also, that La La Toilet, didn’t even know the difference between an IM, Text, or email. She also didn’t know what “fwd” meant when JM pointed it out to her! That right there led us to believe that she probably is only in touch with outdated reference material. For this reason we referred to her as a reject from the 60’s and an embarrassment to our generation! Also, the fact that she was very resistent to fully admit that men are victim of abuse in this day and age was her biggest downfall! She needs to give it up….the ship of youth sailed without her a long time ago….same with that other old fart the DT dug up and wasted the taxpayers money on!!

      • Jay
        04/20/2013 at 8:16 pm

        Agree with you 200% !!!

      • 04/20/2013 at 9:23 pm

        Agree with your comments.

      • Kathy A.
        04/20/2013 at 9:54 pm

        Agree, and look at how much better prepared Dr. D was – she had all of her notes and reference material right at her fingertips and was able to access it immediately; not only did La La bring no reference material but she forgot her glasses, and the words most often out of Dr. Quack’s mouth were “That was a mistake on my part,” “that was an error,” and “I don’t have it. It’s back on my desk somewhere.” What a couple of tools!

      • 04/20/2013 at 10:48 pm

        CiCi…so very true and so cogent of reality! I always enjoy reading your comments! Here, here, to “old hens”, of which, I consider myself one… 🙂

      • Shirley Pare Vancouver
        04/22/2013 at 2:42 am

        I’m an old hen too, and I say Latoilette did a lot of harm to both men and women who are the victims of domestic abuse. It’s difficult for men to say that, and now they have this not know it all, say that men don’t suffer from domestic violence, well they do suffer too .

  13. 04/20/2013 at 7:46 pm

    Brought over:

    Hi Jim, or any of you ‘legal-eagles’ (do you guys hate this term??) on here know if once a witness has testified, are they allowed then to watch coverage of the trial, or must they refrain until after the trial is over, including the penalty phase, for which they might be called to testify? For example, Dr. D? Could she be recalled, or called to give testimony during the penalty phase? Basically, at what point are witnesses allowed to watch the live stream or footage? Thx.

    • Jay
      04/20/2013 at 8:08 pm

      How about ‘legal-beagles?’ I have a question for them too:
      I know juries can request trial transcripts to verify testimony; can they now also request the videos also?

      • donchais
        04/20/2013 at 9:14 pm

        Not necessarily true…jurors are charged with recollecting testimony…they get all except trial transcripts.

      • Jay
        04/20/2013 at 10:02 pm

        donchais-

        As to supplying transcripts to deliberating jurors, Arizona State Supreme Court in its instructions to judges suggesting ways to improve jury deliberations suggests the following:

        http://www.supreme.state.az.us/jury/jury/jury1l.htm#N_1_
        E. JURY DELIBERATIONS
        Requests for particular exhibits or partial read backs of transcripts generally ought to be met. Since the jurors are the decision-makers, they ought to have the right to decide what evidence they need to rehear, and that decision ought to be respected. However, the judge should inform the jurors that the meeting of their request does not mean the judge feels one way or the other about the exhibit or particular testimony, and that they should consider all of the evidence in the case in making their decision.

        If the idea is to provide jurors whatever clear evidence they want to examine hearing and seeing video of testimony would seem a reasonable request, and down the road I’m guessing that will become common and acceptable.

      • donchais
        04/20/2013 at 10:31 pm

        Thanks, read backs are sometimes met, but transcripts not given to jurors in most cases.

    • Schaeffer
      04/20/2013 at 8:41 pm

      It isn’t merely a matter of testifying. Only after the judge releases someone from their subpoena are they free to watch the trial, talk to the media, or whatever. For example, the defense put several of Travis’s friends, including the Hughes’s, under subpoena so they couldn’t watch the trial and “feed information” to Juan; same with Dave Hall. Gus Searcy was originally under subpoena, too; however, once it became evident he was useless, the Judge said to him “You are released from the subpoena and are free to contact the media if you wish” which of course he did that very night. Fortunately, even the media realized he was just seeking the limelight and that was the end of it.

      At the end of testimony/the trial day, you can hear the Judge tell the witness (if necessary) “You are still under subpoena.” Ignoring this admonition was yet another display of unprofessionalism by ALV; she notified the media she was getting bad reviews on Amazon, there was pressure to block her speaking engagements, and she was so stressed out she had to go to the ER for treatment. It was bad enough she went crying to the media, but she did it before she completed her testimony! It has been speculated this was among the “issues” addressed in chambers.

      This may also apply to WOBO tweeting during the trial. Theoretically, it could lead to a contempt charge. However, she has displayed such contemptuous behavior every single day, it would be a full time job just to cite her for everything!

      • 04/20/2013 at 9:17 pm

        Schaeffer…thanks luv! Aaah! I see….I was wondering why the DT made such a big fuss about the Hughes’s testifying!! Okay, I have heard the judge say that about a witness still being under/released from subpoena. Also, on Thursday when Dr. D was done, I didn’t hear the judge tell her she was released/still under subpoena, so that is why I was asking about this. Plus, it seemed as if, when the judge called the defense up, after the jury was dismissed, they seemed to be debating over Dr. D’s notes. I know her notes have been admitted into evidence, and she had said she wanted them back. The judge said they would sort that out. I just wondering, since her notes are part of states exhibit, can she get them back now, or is could she still be called to testify.

    • donchais
      04/20/2013 at 9:20 pm

      Only after they are released…haven’t heard it much in this trial, but usually when a witness is released they are released at end of testimony, unless they are on recall by either side…oh, and not a legal-eagle!!!

      • 04/20/2013 at 9:37 pm

        Hehe…Thx Donchais…’…oh, and not a legal-eagle’….u crack me up!

    • Jim
      04/21/2013 at 12:23 am

      If/when they are released from the subpoena that caused them to appear…

  14. NancyB
    04/20/2013 at 7:53 pm

    Chief – exactly! The talking heads could not realistically find *anything* else to dis about Dr D so they’re using the “not enough experience” crapola!

  15. Lisa M
    04/20/2013 at 8:21 pm

    Brought over
    From Jay: “Not that they are going to get into that level of detail, but big cats kill by breaking neck/crushing airway – bears might bite the crap out of you as well, but blunt force is how you meet your end with a bear….”

    I love this! I wish Dr. Demarte had had your wild animal knowledge at her fingertips. Think of how she would have completely wowed the jury and shamed the defense with her answer:
    “Well, that’s an interesting question. Of course any misreporting of a traumatic event would invalidate the PTSD test, however I can tell you that since a tiger attack involves the crushing of the airway/breaking of the neck, and bears primarily use blunt force trauma on their prey, these two traumatic events are not as similar as they might appear. Next question?”

    • Jay
      04/20/2013 at 10:13 pm

      Lisa, I didn’t write that – It was a reply to something else I commented; I don’t recall who it was off the top of my head to credit them 😄

    • Jim
      04/21/2013 at 12:27 am

      twas I !! clearly I was exposed to way too much Mutual of Omaha’s Wild Kingdom when I was a tike…

      • Anonymous
        04/22/2013 at 6:35 pm

        Ah, sorry, Jim for not giving you proper credit!

  16. 04/20/2013 at 8:27 pm

    Douglme :
    My question…if Travis is sitting in the picture where they enhanced the eye, why is the reflection they are showing “standing”? Someone not thinking or making up stories again!

    Exactly what we said! Nurm the Wurm presents this enhanced eye photo like had this BIG AHA MOMENT, but the photo is supposed to be of JA standing while taking the picture of him sitting in the shower. When you look at the picture he’s looking right at the camera, not up which is an indication she was kneeling down or at his eye level. All Nurm the Wurm did was contradict his own client’s previous testimoneyand made a liar out of her again! No wonder people on Twitter are referring to the defense team as the “DUH-fence” Team….what a sideshow!!

    • 04/20/2013 at 9:23 pm

      Not to mention CiCi, it is an outline of someone standing, with their arm raised, a la Norman Bates style, of the DT wants to get technical! That’s how I interpreted it, and I agree with JM, that the image could be interpreted by each person individually – including the jury! So once again, DT …….WHAT IS YOUR POINT????

  17. 04/20/2013 at 9:36 pm

    OT

    First, I would like to state that I believe Staple Lady was a plaintiff on an episode of Judge Judy. I remember her, because she had a distinctive face, and she had this interesting facial tick that sort of mesmerized me! When I first saw her, at the beginning of the trial, I was totally psyched.

    Second, JA reminded me of a girl on an episode of ‘Law & Order’. It was about a girl who had killed her high school teacher, because the teacher had discovered, and was about to expose the fact that this ‘girl’ was actually a 26 year old woman, who suffered from this disorder, where she was perpetually a teenager…sort of like the ‘peter pan syndrome’. JA even looks like the actor who played the girl/woman! Dr. D’s testimony reminded of that episode, when she talked about JA journals, and how she seemed so immature, like a teenage girl! Even JA testimony on the stand, the way she talks like an enthused adolescent. Not to mention the child-like hairstyles!

    Anyway, sort of rambley, but I’ve been dying to tell someone, and no one around my house showed any interest.

    • Kathy A.
      04/20/2013 at 9:48 pm

      JA does definitely come across like a 15-year-old in a lot of her mannerisms and the things she says. A murderous 15-year-old but very immature nonetheless. Speaking of Judge Judy, Gus Searcy was also on an episode pre-Arias-trial; he was being sued by his daughter to get him to let her have her furniture. He was just as smarmy there, with that stupid smile. The clip is here, but not very good quality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0ehd7zVwvQ. I don’t think the defense has had any impressive witnesses who have testified on Jodi’s behalf.

      • 04/20/2013 at 9:52 pm

        Oooh, Kathy…very nice! That Gus Searcy is desperate to have his 15 mins, isn’t here! Gross!

  18. Kathy A.
    04/20/2013 at 9:55 pm

    wheresthejustice :
    Oooh, Kathy…very nice! That Gus Searcy is desperate to have his 15 mins, isn’t here! Gross!

    Thanks! He just screams sleaze.

  19. Janeto
    04/20/2013 at 10:25 pm

    Anna, Theresa….you guys here?

    • Janeto
      04/20/2013 at 11:13 pm

      Sorry, I meant Tracey….duh! It’s getting late here and my internet is still fluxuating,:(:) but trying to hang in there. Sorry I missed you guys…..

      • Janeto
        04/20/2013 at 11:15 pm

        :(: was meant above. pffft.

      • Tracey A
        04/21/2013 at 1:13 am

        Hey GF! I knew you meant me. Been called Theresa and Stacey more times than I can count. (I wonder if the Traceys of the world get called Stacey or Theresa) Seriously, I’m used to it.
        Sorry I missed ya tonite. Been working on something for Schaeffer that has my mind in overdrive. Hopefully I’ll catch ya tomorrow. 🙂

  20. Janeto
    04/20/2013 at 11:01 pm

    donchais :
    Thanks, read backs are sometimes met, but transcripts not given to jurors in most cases.

    Donchais- are you saying that they are “read” by someone else? So why can’t they get certain transcripts they ask for?

    • donchais
      04/20/2013 at 11:19 pm

      They are, by law, supposed to render a verdict based on what they heard as testimony…ya snooze ya lose..its the law of the land…ya can’t say I didn’t pay attention that day could you refresh my memory…you are a juror and expected to be responsible…all there is to it.

      • Janeto
        04/20/2013 at 11:23 pm

        Wow! Thanks…That’s alot of months to remember everything. Guess that’s why they should take notes huh? :):

      • donchais
        04/20/2013 at 11:29 pm

        yup and weed out the bs they’ve heard…it’s a game of theatrics and meant to confuse…hopefully the folks here are smart an don’t buy in to the carp…yes, that’s why they are encouraged to take notes…they have THEM in the jury room!

      • 04/20/2013 at 11:52 pm

        ahhhh so that’s the defense strategy.. 😉 …. . they made their case sooooo looooooooong they hope the main points of the prosecution case would be forgotten! Now it makes sense! 🙄

  21. 04/20/2013 at 11:08 pm

    Hi Nellie from other page.

    You snuck in right at the end. If you read this please do jump in again!

  22. 04/20/2013 at 11:15 pm

    goood morning everyone.. or whatever is applicable your end.

    *** waves*** 😀

    • Janeto
      04/20/2013 at 11:39 pm

      Syn, what part of Australia are u at? trying to look at time zones.

      • 04/20/2013 at 11:49 pm

        Western Australia (that’s the big state on the west side 😆 )

  23. Janeto
    04/20/2013 at 11:17 pm

    Hey Syn….here it’s bedtime for me almost…{{waves}}

  24. Janeto
    04/20/2013 at 11:33 pm

    donchais :
    yup and weed out the bs they’ve heard…it’s a game of theatrics and meant to confuse…hopefully the folks here are smart an don’t buy in to the carp…yes, that’s why they are encouraged to take notes…they have THEM in the jury room!

    Makes sense, but that scares me 😯 I sure do hope they throw out all the REAL B.S. I hope they are smart enough to decipher it!

    • donchais
      04/20/2013 at 11:39 pm

      It’s the system we have, like it or not!

      • Janeto
        04/20/2013 at 11:44 pm

        Wouldn’t know. never have been picked for a jury…..they always plead out!

      • 04/21/2013 at 8:54 am

        Hopefully, Mr. Juanderful will hit all the important points in his closing argument….29 stab wounds, near decapitation and that final gun shot with the coincidental .25 caliber weapon. He should say that, and point at ‘de defendant’, and make sure it hits home about why we are all here….the brutal, senseless killing of a good man!

    • 04/20/2013 at 11:42 pm

      One good thing is, at least by the juror questions.. most if not all seem like they aren’t buying it and the ones that are iffy … well that’s not even clear if they are or not. Even we here can’t decide that amongst ourselves. Which likely means, at the very least, the are still open to changing their minds if convinced.

      So we’ll just have to wait and see. Or wait for more juror questions for the rebuttal witnesses to see if there’s some kind of pattern.

      Perhaps that juror re the tiger and bear was smart enough not to make his/her question decisively one way or the other because of the juror witch-hunt going on by the defense. That would be a smart move too.

  25. Janeto
    04/20/2013 at 11:53 pm

    Syntara :
    Western Australia (that’s the big state on the west side )

    So it’s 11:51 a.m got it!! Near Perth huh?

    • 04/20/2013 at 11:57 pm

      yup yup .. it’s 12 hours ahead of this blog time.

      • Janeto
        04/21/2013 at 12:03 am

        Cool! internet keeps losing signal. Up and down like a rollercoaster! crap!!!!!!!!!!!! 😡

  26. 04/20/2013 at 11:55 pm

    Don’t know if this has been covered…What do you think JA would rather have – DP or LWOP and for what reasons? We know she’s already happy as hell in jail.

    • donchais
      04/21/2013 at 12:00 am

      In the 48 Hour interview she said death…I’m more than happy with that, but don’t believe she thinks that will happen! LWOP…to easy for her!

      • Janeto
        04/21/2013 at 12:15 am

        Yeah, but you and I know that she didn’t mean that at all!!!! I agree LWOP is just to good for her!!!!But I’m afraid they won’t give her DP. Just got a feeling. Hope it’s still 1 degree premeditated though!

      • NancyB
        04/21/2013 at 1:24 am

        Totally agree that LWOP is way too easy for JA. She has acclimated with ease into the jail routine and would do so as well in prison. Solitary confinement for the next 20 yr appeal process sounds fine to me.

      • TexiBelle
        04/21/2013 at 12:01 pm

        I’ll bet good money that during the penalty phase JM will wrap up by playing that clip of her saying “If I hurt Travis I would BEG for the death penalty.”

      • Kathy A.
        04/21/2013 at 12:17 pm

        I hope she gets the death penalty, also, for one reason is that death row inmates here (Arizona) have it a lot tougher than those in the general population. They are on lockdown 23 hours a day, have very limited non-contact visit privileges, are allowed to shower only three times a week, and are restricted on their phone calls. No cable TV, no internet access or “rehabilitation” programs such as she would be afforded in general population. Living like that for 12 to 25 years is what she deserves, while she’s waiting to die. Arizona has executed people in as short a time as 5 to 6 years, but that’s usually only when the inmate doesn’t want to exhaust all of his appeals and wants to die. I suspect Jodi, if sentenced to death, will drag it out as long as she possibly can.

        The State did execute a man a couple of years ago who was convicted of murdering a man who confronted him while he was burglarizing the victim’s home, and whose defense was that he suffered from PTSD due to sexual and physical abuse as a child. The jury did not buy it. However, the only thing that concerns me is Arizona has only three women on death row; we do sentence women to death but not very often.

        Jodi Arias’ crime is so heinous, however, I’m hoping the jury ups that number to four. As Syntara and others have pointed out, the crime is bad enough but slitting Travis’s throat is a special kind of crazy brutality. Usually you see that in drug murders where the killers are sending a message, and the occasional whack job. Even most serial killers don’t quite go to that extreme. She is bat sh*t crazy and needs to be removed from society permanently. LWOP always means the sentence can be changed down the road if someone gets into power who decides to start releasing people, etc. You hear it all the time of inmates who were sentenced to life or 50 years, etc. and they get out early for a variety of idiotic reasons and it only comes to light because they commit other terrible crimes and I can just see someone being manipulated and conned by her. That would be such a further injustice to Travis and his family.

        Sorry for rambling on here. 🙂

      • Kathy A.
        04/21/2013 at 1:09 pm

        One more thing that I meant to mention in my little novel above about Arizona executions and only three women on death row – one of those women, Wendi Andriano, was put there by Juan Martinez. So if anyone can convince this jury to sentence her to death, it’s Mr. Juanderful.

      • truejustice
        04/22/2013 at 4:22 pm

        I Think the DP may be a reach in this case based on the history of DP in AZ.

        Debra Milke had conviction Overturned. So currently only two women are on Death Row in AZ. But the including Milke .. DP …. Two killed children and one killed an invalid husband who was dying of cancer And The last woman executed in Arizona was Eva Dugan back in 1930.

        However – I think Jodi is very easy to dislike. She can leave a bad taste in your mouth and you don,t even know why. TA on the other hand has this ragas to riches – overcome adversity story people really root for. So while I think the DP is a hard sell here in AZ – I think JA has a much better shot than most women to be the newest face of AZ Death Row.

    • 04/21/2013 at 12:01 am

      not sure either will worry her. She has fame, notoriety, art sales, attention, fans what more could she want? She’s got everything she ever dreamt about. That annoys the crapola out of me.

    • Jim
      04/21/2013 at 12:48 am

      The big difference between the two, which would impact JA is her custody classification: DP = solitary forever… LWOP = easing of classification down to a barracks type environment (basically a slumber party that never ends). I used to participate in a “scared straight” type program where I would take a murderer doing LWOP to schools, colleges, and churches, and his classification had been reduced to the point where I was only required to “account for his presence” every 30 minutes while I had him outside of the fence – I NEVER took my eyes off of him while he was signed out to me, but other than his prison whites, he wasn’t required to be in restraints of any kind…

      • 04/21/2013 at 12:59 am

        Then it HAS to be DP!!! I’m praying for DP now. LWOP sounds like it would be right up her alley!

      • 04/21/2013 at 1:08 am

        I can see it now. Book/journal tours, speaking engagements, commencement speeches, the world clamoring for the great Jodistein. Tell us more, impart thy great wisdom unto us. Nausea is setting in rapidly. Oh forgot, hair and makeup as well.

  27. Janeto
    04/20/2013 at 11:59 pm

    She wants manslaughter! 12 years….she may be happy in prison, but she’s already been there 5 years, so only 7 left!

    • Kathy A.
      04/21/2013 at 12:54 pm

      She may want manslaughter but I don’t see her getting that light a sentence, although I may have to eat my words. If nothing else, her behavior after the killing is so opposite of most peoples’ perception of the way they would act in a true self-defense case, that should carry some weight. If someone you love truly turns on you and you have no choice but to kill them to defend yourself, you’re probably not going to be cleaning up the scene, destroying evidence, and running off to meet someone else for a tryst. More likely you’re going to be devastated, calling 911, and almost unable to function. You’re especially not taking off and leaving the body behind to decompose while you don’t tell anyone.

  28. geri5699
    04/21/2013 at 12:09 am

    I don’t see my post –so I’ll ask this again…What happened to juror #5’s notes that she took down during the trial? If they are leftn behind can the jurors use them in the jury room?

    • TexiBelle
      04/21/2013 at 12:02 pm

      Not a lawyer but I’d be amazed if that were allowed. That we be allowing Juror #5 to have input and, in essence, deliberating even though she’s been kicked off.

    • NancyB
      04/21/2013 at 12:07 pm

      I know that the court does not allow a juror to take their notes with them when they are dismissed. Great question whether the final furors would be allowed to use them during deliberations. Hope someone that does know sees your question, geri!

      • WhereIsSHE
        04/22/2013 at 8:16 pm

        Her opinions and thoughts about the evidence were her’s and her’s alone. Just like that of those in the box who do not make the final deliberations, her opinions and thoughts about the evidence may not be considered. So, the answer is no. They will not have access to or be able to make use of her notes.

      • WhereIsSHE
        04/22/2013 at 8:17 pm

        Make that “hers” and “hers” alone.
        Long day here.

  29. 04/21/2013 at 12:23 am

    I don’t live in the US but surely Americans really don’t want people like Jodi Arias out in society where she can prey upon some other unsuspecting man? The death of Travis Alexander was one of the most brutal seen according to law enforcement in AZ!
    This was done by a 27 year old woman who has manipulated more people than I care to name at the moment. Let us ALL keep our fingers crossed that the jury has the sense
    to do the right thing and give Travis and the family justice. They’ve only been waiting for 5 year!! Jodi Arias has been drawing, making money and new friends and not only friends in jail.
    I hear that even her parents are beginning to have a relationship with her so she is someone who thrives in this setting and it seems to me that we should just leave her there forever…
    Best place for her and definitely for everyone who has ever known her too!

    • Kathy A.
      04/21/2013 at 12:58 pm

      We don’t want her out and hopefully the members of the jury take that into consideration…is this a woman you want out and about in your community? Whether she stays in Arizona or goes back to California (and if she is set free, which I don’t see happening, we really don’t want her here in Arizona. She’s brought enough bad publicity to us as it is), do you people really want her roaming around in society, free to go into a rage and do this again?

  30. 04/21/2013 at 12:29 am

    Unbelievable. Perhaps I’m sheltered, but my pea brain cannot wrap itself around JA’s demented nature. Something is just off with that girl. If i accidentally hurt someone, I am sick over it. Can’t imagine hurting my dog. He’s a yorkihuahua and when he had his fromt leg amputated, I was an absolute wreck. My compassion level is so elevated, I’m no good. I could never be in the health field as I would just cry and freeze. Someone would have to throw this blithering idiot to the wayside. I’m sure she thought she would never be caught since she’s of superior category, but did it not cross her mind, there would be a smidgen of a possibility? E.g. A roommate coming home early or would she have obliterated him/them also? Probably a whatever cost. Go down in a blaze rather than not to be beat. She was on such a cold and calculated mission, it just boggles all that I am.

    Thank you for this place to gather. I am here in spirit as I read for hours catching up. Want to offer up my two cents into the mix but feel so inadequate compared to all the bright minds out there. Suffice it to say I enjoy it all and digest each and every word. Keep it up. Closer the justice!

    • Janeto
      04/21/2013 at 12:31 am

      Don’t feel lonely there!!! I too feel like you do…….

    • 04/21/2013 at 12:48 am

      Listen you two.. I don’t know what specifically scares you ok wrong word but let’s go with it anyhow.. oops do I sound like The Perkster? 😀

      Anyhow.. each and every one of us has something to offer. All of us have different experiences and perspectives, knowledge and opinions. That’s what makes us individuals. never be afraid to express your opinion or ask a question or whatever your input is. Just do it! Once you start putting that kind of restriction on yourself you are no longer free! You are you.. and every bit as good as anybody else on this planet.. ok.. except for Jodistein who really isn’t as good as anyone on this planet.. but meh… we know she’s in a class of her own!!

      Look at the crap I post.. I just put in whatever is on my mind at the time or whatever another post brings to it. My mind is like a sponge it soaks up everything and digests it soo quickly even I can barely keep up with it sometimes!

      Please just post.. it is important we ‘hear’ everyone’s views. you never know what idea your post might spark in someone else’s mind. If you don’t post it, that thought that may have spawned as a result, will never be born.

      • 04/21/2013 at 1:17 am

        I shall do that. Your insight has been eye opening and I too have learned bunches from you. I can only imagine what you have run into and to still have good words for your fellow man ..I applaud you. Greetings from one of the 1000 places to visit, where I saw pix of Travis in our glorious mountain country.

      • 04/21/2013 at 1:19 am

        brings a smile to my face thinking of that. Justice 4 Travis!!!

      • ctc111
        04/21/2013 at 10:12 am

        just read your post and i have to say, I am impressed by all you write. thanks for this.

  31. Janeto
    04/21/2013 at 12:30 am

    Well going to beddie bye now. Kids play nice! Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day for my signal! 😥

    • 04/21/2013 at 12:33 am

      goodnight Janeto.. sleep well 🙂 and yes fingers crossed for improved signal tomorrow that must be very annoying!

      Byeeeee 4 now… ***waves*** 😀

      • Tracey A
        04/21/2013 at 1:12 am

        Afternoon GF! You still here??

      • 04/21/2013 at 1:16 am

        me?? or Jan?

  32. 04/21/2013 at 1:14 am

    Oldgirl

    .. man that’s not a nice nick!! I feel like I’m insulting you! 😦

    I can see it now. Book/journal tours, speaking engagements, commencement speeches, the world clamoring for the great Jodistein

    oh my lawd.. can’t you just see it! I reckon she sits in that court and in her cell with just that running through her disordered empty mind! Oh what a thought! see why it’s important for you to post!! That’s relevant my dear lady! and pertinent!!! Thank you! (I think 😛 )

    • 04/21/2013 at 1:26 am

      Syntara, don’t quite understand. I hope I didn’t say anything unseemly. It was not meant that way at all. I was saying given there are programs wherein murderers or shall I say instigators of events, ha ha, are classified down to the point of speaking in venues, can you, imagine JA partaking in same? And boy would she milk it!

      • 04/21/2013 at 1:29 am

        oh no nothing unseemly.. wherever did you get that idea!!

        I was meaning your nick.. I was not liking calling you “old girl”
        😀 that’s what I thought sounded like I was insulting you.

      • 04/21/2013 at 1:31 am

        oldgirl… just to further clarify nick = nickname ie the name on your avatar. Man I feel bad now!! sooo sorry!!!

      • 04/21/2013 at 1:34 am

        see see seee this is why Lala shouldn’t have based everything on the written word.. things can get sooo easily misinterpreted.

        Good we just proved why Lala’s crap was so ridiculous!!

        PS still feeling bad though 🙄 I’ll just call you “oldgirl” and shut up now!

      • 04/21/2013 at 1:38 am

        What a ditz I is! Knowing you’re from down under, I thought nick was a word I’m not familiar with. Had looked it up and figured you meant something like a cut, a jab. Now I should forever be known as densegirl as I figured out nick is nickname probably or my user name. As for oldgirl, couldnt think of anything creative. I usually use brightgirl due to my location, but I didn’t want anyone thinking I thought I was bright. Regardless I’m laughing. Great to chat w you.

      • 04/21/2013 at 1:47 am

        Oh my, so true re the written word. One other thing. How do you interpret the written word esp others’ conversations. There are inside jokes, etc. of which one is not aware. I know someone who said you can start a fight with the words I love you by emphasizing the word you and putting it in the form of a question. How many times have misunderstandings arisen from innocent exchanges?

      • 04/21/2013 at 1:57 am

        Oldgirl you have me in stitches!!!! hahahahahaha!! re current #93!!!

  33. NancyB
    04/21/2013 at 1:29 am

    Chris Hughes ‏@cshughes 19 Apr
    The difference between a stumbling block and stepping stone is the character of the individual walking the path. -Travis Alexander (T-dogg)

  34. NancyB
    04/21/2013 at 1:30 am

    Hi Oldgirl & Syn! Going to sleep early tonight so catch you tomr. 🙂

    • 04/21/2013 at 1:34 am

      night Nancy!!! ***waves*** sleep well and thanks for all your great posts! You are a wealth of info I’d never see otherwise! Thank you.

  35. NancyB
    04/21/2013 at 1:34 am

    “But the criminal defense lawyer also says their questions might show they are accepting Jodi’s statements as fact. “Many of those questions show they are not only skeptical of her story but also of the experts,” Eiglarsh says. “There are, however, some questions that concern me because they presuppose certain facts as facts. Instead of saying, ‘If this is true, then blah blah,’ they say, ‘So when he was coming after you, did you…?’ They should say, ‘You CLAIM he came after you like a linebacker.’ They presuppose some of her statements as fact – it might just be a poorly worded question but might also mean they believe her. Those concern me.”

    Still, the legal eagle concludes that Jodi is in serious trouble as her court case enters its final days: “Common sense and after having been in the system for over 20 years – it doesn’t take even a lawyer to assess that when you have that many stab wounds and a shot to the head, and gal who can remember every detail including what she drank at Starbucks seven years ago – but when it comes down to the critical details, now she conveniently has a memory fog. I think she is guilty and she should be convicted.”

    To read the whole article:

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/04/jodi-arias-will-be-convicted-legal-expert-predicts/

    • 04/21/2013 at 2:11 am

      mu 2¢ …..ok Im saying pffffft these are normal people how do they know to put “she claims’ etc in front of the sentence.. come on! Me thinks this person is waaay over thinking things. Soz not in agreeance with that first bit for that reason. I sure wouldn’t preface it with anything to me it’s inferred plus it’s going to make it sound like you are against the defense and get you thrown off the jury!!! nup nup ain’t gonna happen if it’s me asking those questions.

      ‘doesn’t take even a lawyer to assess’ sorry but who is this idiot! 😈 I know I’ll be jumped all over by the legally minded.. but I’m getting my 4¢ worth in anyhow! 😀

      • WhereIsSHE
        04/22/2013 at 8:35 pm

        Mark Eiglarsh is not idiot. He is a former prosecutor/now criminal defense attorney/professor of law. His credentials speak for themselves. http://www.martindale.com/Mark-Eiglarsh/810586-lawyer.htm
        He has been opining, since day 1, that Jodi Arias is going to be convicted of murder. I think his point here is very standard to those of us who try cases in court. If you are pro-prosecution, it would certainly hit on your radar that the jury questions are SOMETIMES posed in manner which indicates that whomever is asking the question APPEARS to be swallowing a litle of Jodi’s b.s. Not that they will not vote for a conviction, but just that that they are incorporating her b.s. version of events into their questions(s). If you are pro-prosecution, you just don’t like to see that.

        This is the issue with that bear vs. lion (or tiger?) question to the state’s rebuttal expert. Yes, I get that it might just be that the person was pking fun at Arias, but it would have been far more clear–and effective–had they asked whether one who was attacked by a bear vs. n who went out to HUNT a bear, would be someone who might suffer from PTSD.
        The juro is either on Jodi’s side… or is bad at poking fun… or, worse, IMO, is CONFUSED.

        I wish Dr. D had explained more about that to them.
        An event which might be TRAUMATIC to you or me, MIGHT NOT BE TRAUMATIC to soemone else.
        I wish she had said that there is a big difference between someone who feels THREATENED by a bear vs. a person who feels disgusted by the bloody mess they create, the howls of pain they heard, when they deliberately went out to hunt and kill a bear.

      • WhereIsSHE
        04/22/2013 at 8:44 pm

        In Dr. M’s opinion, the “event” of killing Travis was not a “traumatic event” for Jodi Arias. It is very difficult for people who are not Jodi Arias to imagine that such a brutal killing would not just sort of automatically be a “traumatic event”, because for most people, it would be a horrifyingly traumatic event. But for someone who planned and carried out a murder, it isquite possible (if not likely) that the killer would not actually experience the killing as a traumatic event, and hence would not ever suffer from post traumatic stress over it.
        It seems more than apparent, psych testing results aside even, that Jodi did not experience her killing of Travis as a traumatic event, and hence, by definition, could not –and does not– suffer from PTSD.

        Juan can address this in his closing, of course, and there is no doubt that he will.
        It would have been good for the expert to explain it more bluntly though, because then the jurors who “get it” would have a ready explanation during deliberations–and be able to cite specific witness testimony (vs. argument of counsel) in order to convince anyone on the jury who MIGHT be “confused” about this issue.

  36. NancyB
    04/21/2013 at 1:42 am

    PHOENIX – Jodi Arias is apparently profiting from the notoriety she has received since killing her one-time boyfriend, selling drawings from jail on a website operated by a third party, her mother said Thursday.

    The website, which also accepts donations, offers her original art work, noting authenticity in the form of the following: “All pieces created after January 26, 2013 are authenticated with Jodi Arias’ right thumbprint.”

    Her mother, Sandra Arias, said the site is, indeed, Jodi’s. The money is being used to help pay for family expenses while attending the trial, she said.

    Asked if the drawings are selling well, Sandra Arias replied, “Oh yeah.”

    She declined to discuss it further.

    The site claims to have sold several pieces, including a drawing of Frank Sinatra for $1,075. One piece is being offered for $2,000, shipping included.

    No law prevents Arias from profiting from her notoriety given she hasn’t been convicted of a crime.

    Sgt. Brandon Jones of the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office said inmates aren’t allowed to sell items while incarcerated and don’t have access to computers.

    However, Jones added, she has access to pencils and paper and there is nothing to prevent Arias from using a third party to sell her work.

    “She could draw those pictures, but I can’t tell you whether they are truly hers or whether this is someone trying to make money off her,” Jones said.

    He also said the sheriff’s office just learned of a Twitter account bearing Arias’ name and is examining its options for confronting the situation.

    “This doesn’t sit well with us,” Jones said.

    A woman in the gallery says she is tweeting on Arias’ behalf. The comments are often attacks on the prosecutor and cable TV pundits who expound on the trial daily. The Associated Press, however, has not confirmed the authenticity of the Arias Twitter account.

    “She’ll call and say `I have a quote.’ We’ll talk about it. Sometimes she says `let’s tweet.’ And then she’ll say `no let’s not do it,”‘ Donavan Bering told Fox affiliate KSAZ in Phoenix.

    “I think it’s a way of her getting out her frustration, because she doesn’t have a chance to say much,” said Donavan, who claims she is operating Arias’ Twitter page.

    The trial has dragged on for more than three months, and has at times devolved into bizarre testimony about graphic sexual encounters and fairy tales.

    The case has grown into a worldwide sensation as thousands follow the trial via a live, unedited web feed. Twitter has blown up with comments, as spectators express their opinions on everything from Arias’ wardrobe to Martinez’s angry demeanor. For its fans, the Arias trial has become a live daytime soap opera.

    “I just got caught up in all of it,” said Kathy Brown, 49, who is a regular attendee.

    She said she has a cousin on death row, and started coming to watch the trial out of curiosity.

    “It’s just interesting and fascinating,” Brown said Thursday.

    A few weeks ago, as several dozen trial fans gathered outside the courthouse, Brown approached prosecutor Juan Martinez and had him autograph her cane.

    “I just love watching him,” she said. “I love the passion he has.”

    In fact, people have flown in from around the country for a chance to score a seat in the gallery, lining up in the morning as they’re chosen on a first-come, first-served basis.

    Meanwhile, the prosecutor and defense attorney have been presenting dueling portraits of the victim, that of a man who feared for his life as he tried to distance himself from Arias and a manipulative liar who courted multiple women while claiming to be a virgin.

    Arias says the killing was self-defense, and that on the day of Travis Alexander’s death in June 2008 at his suburban Phoenix home, he attacked her and she was forced to fight for her life.

    However, no evidence — other than Arias’ accounts — has been presented at trial showing Alexander had ever been physically violent.

    Authorities say Arias planned the attack in a jealous rage. She initially denied involvement then blamed it on masked intruders. Two years after her arrest, she said it was self-defense.

    She faces a possible death sentence if convicted of first-degree murder.

    Psychotherapist Alyce LaViolette has been testifying for more than a week about her conclusion that Arias was a victim of abuse by Alexander in the months before his death.

    Jurors posed about 100 questions to LaViolette on Thursday, something allowed in Arizona criminal trials as the queries are read aloud by the judge.

    The questions ranged from how the witness can know that Arias isn’t lying to queries about Arias’ claims that the victim abused her.

    LaViolette returns to the witness stand Friday for more juror questions.

    Alexander suffered nearly 30 knife wounds, was shot in the head and had his throat slit. Arias’ palm print was found in blood at the scene, along with nude photos of her and Alexander from the day of the killing.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/11/accused-killer-turned-artist-jodi-arias-sells-are-for-money-from-jail-mother/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fnational+(Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text)#ixzz2R4czBXvU

    • 04/21/2013 at 2:26 am

      Sorry to be crude, but Jodi’s entire Courtroom Crew are low rent trash.

  37. 04/21/2013 at 2:02 am

    Heygirl (that’s what I’m calling ya! )

    starting a fight with I love you by emphasizing the word you and putting it in the form of a question.

    oooo what a great example.

    • 04/21/2013 at 2:09 am

      Love it. Signing off, way past my beauty sleep, of which for some reason i never get any – beauty that is! Sincerely, heygirl

      • 04/21/2013 at 2:12 am

        g’night see you again 🙂 **waves**

  38. Tracey A
    04/21/2013 at 2:35 am

    Hi all! Checking in yet again. Verizon keeps booting my feed. Let’s see if this one actually posts. I’m comin’ for you Verizon!! Just wait!!!

    • Schaeffer
      04/21/2013 at 3:54 am

      Tracey — what are you doing up so late?

  39. 04/21/2013 at 4:05 am

    You’re such a f’kn hypocrite… yeahhhhhhhh!!!!

    • Ginger
      04/22/2013 at 11:25 pm

      Thanks for that it was awesome!

  40. 04/21/2013 at 5:37 am

    Hey those with enquiring minds.. I have been looking for this clip for ages. . I’m kinda sceptical because surely she wouldn’t have made this big of a mistake? Is this the actual footage? Maybe I should have checked that before posting this.. hmmm I’ll go do that.

    I want opinions here. Try to disregard where this video actually goes . it’s kind of a bit nonsensical I’m not sure what it’s trying to say beyond the obvious… maybe one of you can work that out as a side issue… but for the point of this exercise…. please just listen to what she says to Juan Baby as he is stepping her through the photo sequence. (if you like start round 5:33 for the sake of this enquiry).

    Now.. after you view the photos and footage presented… this is what I hear Martinez ask:

    Juan: “Ma’am we know there is some action that is going on at 5:31:14 [ceiling shot] right?Something’s going on right?”

    JA: “Yes”

    Juan: “We also know that exhibit #162 5:32:16, which is a minute and 2 seconds later, correct?” [Travis dead or dying on floor it’s on the court footage]

    JA: “Correct”.

    Juan: “You didn’t have the camera with you when you shot him right?”

    JA “I did not”

    Juan: “So this needed to have happened before you shot him, right?”
    [ie according to this vision before he is bloodied, dead or dying on the floor]

    JA: “That’s correct”

    Stop the video!!!!

    Here she for once answers questions definitively and clearly states she had not shot him before he lay dead or dying on the floor.

    Please anyone can you help me clarify this one way or the other? She actually definitely appears to admit here she stabbed Travis before shooting him right?

    I wasn’t participating on this blog when I watched this footage and I never had the opportunity to ask anyone.. You all who were here back then probably already discussed this so hopefully a bunch of you remember what was discussed at the time.

    • 04/21/2013 at 7:23 am

      k checked it.. this definitely is unedited and it’s on croakerqueen day 21 Part 1 14:07.

      …. and something strange too.. there’s kind of psycho music in the background on the part of the clip above that I’ve referenced and I assumed the author had put it in for effect . But it’s also there on croakerqueen’s version.

      What is that? someone coughing in court like the psycho theme cos they picked it up too????? I dunno.. but it’s there anyhow. Right after she admits she hadn’t shot him yet.

      • 04/21/2013 at 7:34 am

        k I’ve looked at it agaIn after having a break and I’m going to give her the benefit of the doubt here. I’m going to say she meant she hadn’t shot him before the ceiling shot.

        So scrub this. Cos that’s what the defense would argue although when I initially saw it I saw thought she meant it the other way and when I first saw it again today I thought she meant it that other way too.

        But I’m thinking nah.. she wouldn’t have made that big of an error and Juan does swap the photos .. as I said I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt on it.

      • 04/21/2013 at 9:33 am

        morning Syn,
        This slipped by me as we’ll. I remember seeing the testimony and thinking there it is….she admitted to the order of her actions but I guess the fog rolled in for me because I forgot the exact testimony. I’m sure this will be in JM’s closing arguments. great find Syn. Great memory for you to recall and search for the actual testimony!! I don’t hear anything in the background but I’m listening through IPad speakers so the audio has not been enhanced.

    • TexiBelle
      04/21/2013 at 12:16 pm

      Regardless of what she admits the presence of the camera/photos completely negates her assertion she shot him first! I don’t recall it being caught during her testimony, although it may have been discussed on this blog at the time and I missed it.

      She definitely didn’t have the camera as she was “running away and grabbing the gun”–so what, after she shoots him she’s going to pick it back up as she’s fighting for her life with the knife?? Total BS. I hope this is explained in detail during closing!

      • 04/21/2013 at 12:23 pm

        To me it’s the ME’s testimony rather than the camera that proves she did not shoot him first. Dr Horn testified the gunshot wound based on it penetrating his frontal lobe would have incapacitated Travis in seconds. He could not have fought back if that had have come first.

        I believe the ME he was confident in his findings and testimony.

      • TexiBelle
        04/21/2013 at 12:48 pm

        I always believed the ME as well. Just think the photos add another layer of evidence.

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/21/2013 at 1:07 pm

        We believe the forensics will outweigh any of her STORIES! And the jury will follow the ME’s description of the scene.

      • 04/21/2013 at 1:08 pm

        ph heck yeah.. the fact the photos exist at all and she left the camera thinking they were destroyed shows there was something looking out for Travis that day.

        Sadly not enough to keep him on this earth but enough to tell the tale of why he left it.

    • WhereIsSHE
      04/22/2013 at 9:02 pm

      Hey Syn-
      When Juan was asking this line of questions and securing these “admissions” from Jodi, my take on it–at the time– was that he was getting her to admit that her story –TIMING-WISE–did not “add up”. As in, how in the heck would there have been TIME for (all of the following, allegedly)Travis to “body slam” slam her; her to get away (somehow); run down the hallway; slip into that pristine closet; close the door behind her; scramble (pun-intended) up to that top shelf to grab a (non-existent) .25 caliber gun (which was holstered–or not?; which was loaded with the safety off–yeahhh, riiiiiight); with Travis pursuing her the whole time, nonetheless; escape from the closet, back into the bathroom; turn and point the gun at the supposedly charging-her Travis; have the gun “go off” (as they always do when no one’s finger is on the trigger–*eyeroll*); be able to escape from him AGAIN; FIND THE KNIFE somehow; and then stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stan, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab (etc until appropriate # of stab wounds); then end up standing OVER him–at the end of the hallway– such that she would have the leverage to pull his head up and slice his throat from ear to ear so deeply that she nearly decapitated him… before that photo of him, lying at the end of the hall, bleeding out from his throat, COULD have been “shot”.

      There simply was not enough TIME between those two photo shots for all that she claims took place to, in fact, take place is what I thought Juan was after there.

      That was my take on it when he was asking that line of questions. I admit I didn’t go back and re-examine, but I remember it striking me as an excellent line of questions when he was in the midst of it. He basically got her to admit that she was full of s&*%, is how I saw it.

      • 04/22/2013 at 9:05 pm

        yes I realise that.. but thanks.

  41. 04/21/2013 at 9:11 am

    hey guys…. anyone know what these pictures of her neck were about that Juan tried to show her when she was on the stand answering jury questions? Wurmi objected (beyond the scope of the question) so we didn’t see them. Any ideas what these are and why she took them?

    Why did she take pictures of her neck on 3rd June 2008 in the car?

    (Day 30 part (2) 52:20ish )

    • NancyB
      04/21/2013 at 1:00 pm

      Wow – another great mystery you’ve dug up! I had not remembered this at all. I’m guessing that the reason we have not seen them is because they were not allowed into evidence. Judge sustained Wurmi’s objection. Why in the world would she take pics of her neck?? No idea – just hope some others have some idea.

      • Gracerv7
        04/22/2013 at 3:14 pm

        I think the pics of her neck came up because she claims there was bruising on them from being strangled by travis. Yet in the pics there was none or her neck is not clearly shown.

    • Laine
      04/21/2013 at 6:09 pm

      Hey Syn, If I remember correctly…and you might want to research it…but she actually took some pics of herself on her phone in the car the day she left Mesa and they show NO marks on her neck whatsover…I think they were probably shots she took to send to Ryan? if she was talking to him then…anyway of course probably forgot she took them and they were found. As I say I could be wrong but that was my understanding of them…

      • 04/21/2013 at 11:32 pm

        hmmmm no I didnt remember.. just weird Juan specified her neck. OKies will have to let it rest but thanks for the extra file info. things that make you go hmmmmm

    • Gracerv7
      04/22/2013 at 3:15 pm

      Disregard my comment I thought you meant pics she took leaving Mesa. Whoops 🙂

  42. 04/21/2013 at 9:18 am

    What happened to the notes taken by juror #5..Did she have to leave them behind? If she did can they be used during deliberation by the remaining jurors? Do the jurors take the notes home at night?

    • Jill
      04/21/2013 at 11:39 am

      That’s a good question. I saw that you have posted this a few times with no replies. That has happened to me too. Somehow all my posts get overlooked and no one ever responds..oh well… Don’t take it personally….just keep at it….

      • Jill
        04/21/2013 at 12:15 pm

        Sorry, should have said somehow “some” of my posts get overlooked..it’s just the nature of this site that sometimes comments get overlooked cuz comments fly fast. I don’t take it personal cuz everyone on here is kindhearted.

    • 04/21/2013 at 11:53 am

      The reason I don’t answer things like this when they come up… is because I have no idea

      • Jill
        04/21/2013 at 12:17 pm

        Sorry, should have said somehow “some” of my posts get overlooked..it’s just the nature of this site that sometimes comments get overlooked cuz comments fly fast. I don’t take it personal cuz everyone on here is kindhearted.

    • HJ Madison
      04/21/2013 at 12:06 pm

      They leave notes with the court during the trial. When they are done it depends on the judge and the jurisdiction. Sometimes you may keep them, but most commonly I understand they are destroyed. No doubt #5 and #11 left theirs with the court.

    • 04/21/2013 at 12:20 pm

      Hi Geri~I have served on 2 juries and when we are through deliberating our notepads were left on the table for the bailiff to collect. I would imagine #5’a. Notes were given to the judge. Even at the end of each day we were to leave our notes on our seats and they were collected to be handed back to us each new day.

      • 04/21/2013 at 12:24 pm

        Geri~ sorry, to clarify for you this was in CA.

  43. ctc111
    04/21/2013 at 9:56 am

    Hi again all. while i don’t feel confident to post often, i read everything posted. i think you guys are great. this is where i come when i see all the crap about Travis and am feeling sad about it. just wondered if during the , i think eight hours that are unaccounted for by wobo, is it possible she was rewriting her journals? i beleive that she has another set.
    thank you, especially Donchais for this site, am very grateful . thank you!

    • 04/21/2013 at 10:40 am

      Hi ctc111,
      I agree with you about joho having another set. I don’t know about the 8 hours you discussed, could be, but I remember mentioning I definitely believe she wrote the journals in question after she slaughtered Travis. She kept offering them to detective Flores in the interrogation videos and we know she was lying at the time so there is no reason to offer them unless you prepared them in advance to make yourself look innocent. Pffffft. What an evil creature.

      • Jill
        04/21/2013 at 11:43 am

        It sure looked like she was copying some journals in court on he first day that demarte testified. Remember when she wouldn’t look up at her on the first day? She was just writing away like crazy that day.

      • 04/21/2013 at 1:40 pm

        yeah JIll that day you are referring to.. she was definitely copying something.. that was strange I think there’s a whole lot a ppl who want to know what that was about!

    • 04/21/2013 at 12:03 pm

      ctc111 – to me the diary entries she makes fit with the disorder in her head. I don’t think she’d have to rewrite them because that is how I would expect someone with a manipulative personality, especially one as extreme as hers, to write a diary.

      Not saying you have to agree with me, just saying from what I know of manipulative people.

      • 04/21/2013 at 12:28 pm

        I am of the same thought. Would they not want the originals? How could the DT’s let her re~write anything?

      • ctc111
        04/21/2013 at 4:16 pm

        Syntara- #95 refers to you. reading your posts over these past weeks, i shall defer to you and what i consider your expertise. I am just amazed and frightened that there are people like her in the world. I try not to lose faith in the good. and in thinking about it I do agree!

    • WhereIsSHE
      04/22/2013 at 9:26 pm

      True and accurate copies of Jodi’s journals have been in the hands of the State since her journals were “seized” during a search of her residence, pursuant to a warrant.
      Nothing she writes now can alter what was lawfully seized and secured as part of the the proper chain of evidence.
      She can scribble away all she likes. She cannot alter the contents of this seized, authenticated evidence.

      My thoughts were that she was:
      a) first and foremost, “acting out”, as a child would, because she is extremely intimidated and “threatened” by Dr. D, who she KNOWS is the only expert in this case who has reached a proper diagnosis of her; and –just like her overly-flowery/saccharine sort of language about Travis (”I love, love, love Travis Alexander!”, for example), she is once again demonstrating–right before the jurors eyes no less–just how childishly manipulative she actually is; (Like, “Look at ME!! Look at ME and my ITTY BITTY WIDDLE PENCIL!! I am an innocent as a Kindergartner! I’m just a little girl!” (Diane Downs was famous for referring to herself as “just a little girl”–ref. “Small Sacrifices”) and
      b) perhaps, also in the same manipulative manner, she was taking notes about how to “appear” to other/what lies to tell, etc for what she has to anticipate will be the next phase of this trial, i.e. the PENALTY PHASE. (This is the “guilt” phase; if convicted of 1st deg. Murder, then will come the “penalty” phase, where the jurors get to hear the State’s evidence of “aggravting factors” and then the defense’s evidence of “mitigating factors” before they determine whether or not she should get the death penalty.)
      I also think Jodi is still hopeful that she will get convicted on a lesser included offense OR will get a hung jury (and hit this rodeo all over again), OR–because she is this much of a headcase–somehow imagines that she might be acquitted (and is preparing lies to tell for her imagined post-acquittal TV interview extravanganza).

      The point is: nothing she is writing NOW will ever make it’s way into evidence.

      • Moon
        04/23/2013 at 12:29 am

        Hi WIS… ty for this post. I was wondering if any of the writings/drawings she is doing now can be used during the penalty phase? likewise, can the fact that she was tweeting and doing pictures be brought up during this phase?

  44. JANALYNNESHANNON
    04/21/2013 at 10:26 am

    JODI WILL GET OFF ON A MANSLAUGHTER CHARGE DUE TO THE FACT IS SHE ADMITS TO SHOOTING HIM BY “ACCIDENT” AFTER THREATENING HIM TO LEAVE HER ALONE. SHE ACCIDENTLY PULLS THE TRIGGER TO A GUN SHE DIDNT THIN K WAS LOADED……… B.S. SHE IS A LYING EVIL MONSTER WHO KNEW EXACTLY WHAT SHE WAS DOING THE WHOLE TIME BEFORE DURING AND MOST CERTAINLY AFTER.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/21/2013 at 12:45 pm

      The Forensics blows her STORY out of the water and she and her DT know it! That’s why they were beatin’ the brush with the Pedophilia and DV in hopes of sending the jury off on a wild goose chase! Little by little it’s falling apart on them and JM is now bringing it all back to the killing, the facts, and the forensics. Enough of her nonsense!!

    • 04/21/2013 at 3:25 pm

      I guess this could be true…if no jurors pay attention to the actual evidence.

    • Observer
      04/21/2013 at 5:19 pm

      Janalynne, you’ve got these jurors mixed up with the dumbells on the Casey Anthony jury. From the 250 questions the jurors asked Arias, they aren’t buying her story at all.

  45. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/21/2013 at 11:29 am

    Syntara :
    hey guys…. anyone know what these pictures of her neck were about that Juan tried to show her when she was on the stand answering jury questions? Wurmi objected (beyond the scope of the question) so we didn’t see them. Any ideas what these are and why she took them?
    Why did she take pictures of her neck on 3rd June 2008 in the car?
    (Day 30 part (2) 52:20ish )

    Here’s a thought…..do you think she (or maybe one of her flaky ex-boyfriends she visited on the way) may have staged some marks on her neck and took pictures so she could claim they were from the attack on her by TA to fit in with her self defense story????

    • Jill
      04/21/2013 at 11:37 am

      If it would have helped her story , why would Juan want to show them? And why would wurmi object?

      • 04/21/2013 at 12:28 pm

        Jill this was on the 3rd of June.. in the car the day before she killed Travis.

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/21/2013 at 12:39 pm

        It might have been determined that the pictures were taken the day before (time stamp or something like that) and that’s why JM wanted to show them and work his way up to the fact that it was proven they were taken the day before as a plant. Just our thoughts!

      • WhereIsSHE
        04/22/2013 at 9:32 pm

        Maybe they show a “Hicky” (or as the mother in the movie “Moonstruck” refers to them, a “Love Bite”)?;)
        Juan would want the jurors to see THAT, for sure, but the judge–ANY judge– would not permit it/would quickly sustain an objection to it.

        Hey-
        I have no clue what the photo of her neck on June 3rd shows, but that’s my fun guess for the heck of it;)

    • 04/21/2013 at 11:48 am

      yeah CC’s C……. my thoughts went the along those lines but more to the she did it to herself or with make up….. just wanted to know if Id missed something that came up later..I wonder if Juan was trying to get a quick thinking juror to submit a follow up question about them but nobody on the jury picked up on it

      • Jill
        04/21/2013 at 1:28 pm

        Wow…I can’t believe that they were taken June 3rd! I thought that they were from long before that while they were dating…

      • 04/21/2013 at 1:38 pm

        Jill this is in reference to the mysterious photos Juan never gets to show us. The ones in croakerqueens trial uploads placement as noted in my post above.

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/21/2013 at 2:01 pm

        They may have asked the question but since the pictures were not allowed the judge did not allow the question either when the DT and JM were reviewing them. We’ll just never know.

      • 04/21/2013 at 2:04 pm

        CC’sC.. whst i was thinking was becuse she had just said “yes I took the photos on the 3rd June” and that was allowed in.. without objection.. a jury could then have followed up on that and asked to see them. The reason Juan wasn’t allowed is because it was beyond scope of the jurors question.

      • 04/21/2013 at 2:08 pm

        either way.. we will never now but hopefully some astute reporter will ask for those photos after trial in a whatever that’s called over there.. here it’s called freedom of information… and maybe we will get to see what those pics are.

        Hopefully!!!

      • Jill
        04/21/2013 at 2:11 pm

        Ty, Syn, I watched it again and I can’t believe I missed that the first time I watched it. I wish they could get those pix in evidence. That would be great.
        So wish that a juror would have asked about them…

    • Ginger
      04/23/2013 at 1:26 am

      I agee I think Matt knows allot since he forged the phony pedo-letters that were photo shopped cut and paste using Travis handwriting from his journal that was stolen I also think it is just odd Dr.Demartes laptop was stolen being Jodi has this history of things reported stolen like the phone,gun and DVD player that was given to Darryl in exchange for the gas cans she did return to his house to give him the remote ..how does one person just naturally have this shady luck !

  46. Carmen
    04/21/2013 at 11:51 am

    Hello everyone. There’s talk on the WWW that a .25 pistol was found in the Arizona desert near Hoover Dam. Here is one of the links. http://m.topix.com/forum/law/criminal-defense/TI3P459ARB1AERHDI. Can anyone confirm if this is true? Thank you

    • 04/21/2013 at 12:05 pm

      yeah I saw a reference to that but was awaiting more information.

    • Jay
      04/21/2013 at 12:08 pm

      It appears to be a hoax, to garner hits on a particular ad-bearing site.

    • Kathy A.
      04/21/2013 at 12:38 pm

      Does anyone know – did detectives ever attempt to have Jodi show them where she pulled over and supposedly tossed the gun? The desert is so vast here that it would have been easy for her to say she didn’t remember exactly where that was, either, but I wondered if it was even tried. Of course she tells so many lies who knows if that’s really what happened.

      • 04/21/2013 at 12:40 pm

        Put it this way KathyA…. if she was innocent… yeah yeah yeah right 🙄 and it WAS Travis’ gun she’d be bending over backwards and clawing through the fog to lead them to that gun.

        The very fact she has no inclination whatsoever to find the gun proves she doesn’t want it found. The only reason for her not to want it found is because it will prove to be her grandfather’s gun.

  47. Lemerr
    04/21/2013 at 12:19 pm

    Has ANYONE thought about the fact that, in order for the camera to have inadvertently taken photos during the killing of Travis Alexander, the camera must have been on a strap around Jodi Aria’s neck!!!!!

    • 04/21/2013 at 12:29 pm

      yes Chrissie convinced me of that and it’s how I’ve outlined what I think happened and how the two first inadvertent pics were taken.

      • 04/21/2013 at 12:33 pm

        Chrissie does think she unhooked the camera.. probably during those 44 seconds between the lower torso seated shot and the next one. That second one could be after she was knocked to the ground and she’s taking it off right before she attacks him in the back at the basin.

  48. Lemerr
    04/21/2013 at 12:22 pm

    Hey all, She’s not writing as much as she is drawing pictures or coloring, by the look of the motions of her hand!

  49. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/21/2013 at 12:32 pm

    NancyB :
    “But the criminal defense lawyer also says their questions might show they are accepting Jodi’s statements as fact. “Many of those questions show they are not only skeptical of her story but also of the experts,” Eiglarsh says. “There are, however, some questions that concern me because they presuppose certain facts as facts. Instead of saying, ‘If this is true, then blah blah,’ they say, ‘So when he was coming after you, did you…?’ They should say, ‘You CLAIM he came after you like a linebacker.’ They presuppose some of her statements as fact – it might just be a poorly worded question but might also mean they believe her. Those concern me.”
    Still, the legal eagle concludes that Jodi is in serious trouble as her court case enters its final days: “Common sense and after having been in the system for over 20 years – it doesn’t take even a lawyer to assess that when you have that many stab wounds and a shot to the head, and gal who can remember every detail including what she drank at Starbucks seven years ago – but when it comes down to the critical details, now she conveniently has a memory fog. I think she is guilty and she should be convicted.”
    To read the whole article:
    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/04/jodi-arias-will-be-convicted-legal-expert-predicts/

    Hey Nancy B…

    When we heard this Mark Eiglarsh mention how the juror’s sounded as if they believed her in some instances we just thought….”oh he’s soooo FOS!!” He is speaking from the mind of an attorney and they have been in the profession for so long that the way they speak and interpret someone’s words is through their perception of how they THINK is the correct way to speak or ask questions. Some of those jurors are everyday people who put their shoes on just like the rest of us. To think that they are leaning one way or the other simply because they didn’t ask the question in the manner that this Eiglarsh thinks they should have is BS. Where he said, “so when he was coming after you…..” this is a sample of how we (as moms) used to question our kids. After hearing their story we would turn around and repeat the question using their words (knowing full well at times it was unbelievable) as to mimic them so they could not change their story to fit where we were going with it. Everyday people do not speak like attorneys. It’s all about the ratings with HLN and sensationalism!!

    • Kathy A.
      04/21/2013 at 1:05 pm

      I got disgusted with Mark Eiglarsh because no matter what Juan Martinez does or says, he picks it apart. Even if all the other talking heads are raving about Martinez, he still finds fault. Just because it’s not his courtroom style, doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I don’t know when the last time was Mark Eiglarsh was even practicing in a courtroom, because it seems like he’s been a talking head as far back as the OJ Simpson trial.

      • 04/21/2013 at 1:48 pm

        Yeah, he and others seem to think they are all the grand masters of law. I would like to know how many complex capital cases they have been involved in as either defense or prosecution. Some of the defense attorney guests hln has on their various shows are either using opioids or are from another planet. They are so unbelievable, that I have to fast forward thru their opinions. They should be fictional writers as they concoct stories not associated with the facts in this case.

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/21/2013 at 1:55 pm

        You’re right! When was the last time any of these big mouths on HLN practiced in their profession, tried any cases, tried any DP cases, put someone on death row!?? They all talk about their experience, but when….when was it….??? They all sold out for TV notoriety….what does that tell you of their practice…they went where the money was easy…..on TV!! That’s why we don’t pay any attention to any of those big mouths on HLN!! They cause more trouble than they’re worth!! They love the drama they cause!!

    • 04/21/2013 at 1:10 pm

      my comment upstairs is along this line.. and I ask at the end “who is this idiot”

      well who is he? plse someone?

      • Family of Law
        04/21/2013 at 1:38 pm

        Mark Eiglarsh is a former prosacutor, now a defense lawyer in Miami, Florida- he did his undergrad in tele-communications – he’s a “talking head” for HLN. Picture this: metro-sexual type- who is always overly tanned (think George Hamilton).

      • 04/21/2013 at 1:42 pm

        ahh thanks.

      • Marilyn N
        04/21/2013 at 2:01 pm

        Hi Syn,
        You can find clips of Mark Eiglarsh on YouTube, then you’ll have a visual. 😊

      • 04/21/2013 at 3:30 pm

        Eiglarsh really came to prominence during the Casey Anthony trial, since he’s a Florida atty.

    • NancyB
      04/21/2013 at 2:16 pm

      Thanks CCc!! The voice of common sense and reason! I truly appreciate this comment from the group of you sages!! It calms me down.

    • Jay
      04/21/2013 at 6:17 pm

      Stop picking on Mark Eiglarsh, ladies.. Is this a face you can’t trust?

      https://www.google.com/search?q=mark+eiglarsh&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=GU50UcyNHYmkiQLxrYG4Aw&biw=1024&bih=644&sei=IE50UajGK-HniAL9joDICw

      Mark’s a good guy: smart, experienced, and most of all OBJECTIVE.

      A former prosecutor, college teacher, practicing defense lawyer, he’s the most astute and reliable commentator on HLN. He’s made it crystal clear he thinks Arias is guilty of premeditated murder and should be punished accordingly – so why the constant bitching at him?

      All this HARPING reminds me of a driver who swears at an experienced auto mechanic after being warned his breaks may be failingand need to be checked — whereupon the owner says “Who the hell do you think you are, buster, making those kinds of remarks about my bootifull itsy-biddy four wheel baby, the most perfect car ever built!”

      Eiglarsh’s comments about allowing so much testimony to be heard “presupposing facts” is is a criticsm ive heard from other legal and trial analysts, directed at Juan Martinez (and no, not from TV talking heads). Allowing the constant reiteration of Arias’ assertion that Travis bady slammed her and cursed her and crouched like a line backer by Arias and her two expert witnesses during testimony and cross may have imbedded that story as fact in some jurors minds. Juan should have done more to counter that tactic because lies repeated over and over gain independant traction, and then have a life of their own.

      How does it gain justice for Travis by throwing barbs and insults at the messenger, especially if he’s on your side? 👍 👍 to Mark Eiglarsh’s commentary – I’m looking forward to more of the same.

      Again, Justice for Travis!
      And a Lethal Injection for Killer Arias!!

      • donchais
        04/21/2013 at 8:25 pm

        WOW! Speechless!

      • WhereIsSHE
        04/22/2013 at 9:47 pm

        Awesome post, Jay.
        I posted above about this before I got to yours here (which you posted way before mine).
        Mark is an experienced trial attorney (former prosecutor as you mentioned), and also teaches law.

        He’s been as anti-Arias as anyone here. (Well, OK, not ANYONE HERE, but as anti-Arias as the overwhelming majority of rational contributors here.)
        He had some sidelines critiques of STYLE, but not of the state’s theory of the case.
        I don’t know many attorneys who try cases who don’t think to themselves, “I should have asked it THIS way instead of THAT way!” etc when they are trying cases. It’s an art, not a science. I’d bet you anything that he has been just as critical of himself in hindsight

        I know people get very upset when anyone criticizes anything Juan does, but just because someone might criticize does not mean that they don’t appreciate what he is doing. It’s just part of the profession. A professional hazard.

    • Ginger
      04/23/2013 at 1:30 am

      Mark E . Has never missed an opportunity to slam Juan’s style of questioning its pathetic and reeks of jealousy!

  50. Family of Law
    04/21/2013 at 12:40 pm

    NancyB :

    Good morning Nancy:). I finally had a chance to thoroughly read the Gay Bradshaw article, wow… She is phenomenal! I looked into her foundation the “Kerulos Center”, that’s a life’s work to be proud of! Thank you so much for sharing that with me! If you haven’t already seen this, here’s the link to her foundation. http://www.kerulos.org/what_we_do/overview.html

  51. Kathy A.
    04/21/2013 at 1:21 pm

    I mentioned this upstairs a ways but thought I would post again, for those people who might scroll to the bottom just to see if there are new messages here. I became familiar with Juan Martinez several years ago when he successfully prosecuted an Arizona woman named Wendi Andriano for the brutal murder of her husband, who was a terminally ill cancer patient. He sought and got the death penalty – of which only three women in 80 years have received here, Andriano being one of the three. It was a locally publicized case because of the horrific nature of the crime – Andriano beat him in the head with a barstool, slit his throat, and attempted to poison him. The defense in that case tried to argue as well that she was a battered woman, and Martinez was criticized then, too, for his aggressive style. So as I said above, if anyone can get JA convicted and sentenced to the ultimate punishment, it’s Juan Martinez.

    • NancyB
      04/21/2013 at 2:19 pm

      From your mouth to God’s ears.

  52. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/21/2013 at 1:45 pm

    Well after discussing this mess of a human being (JA) to death, we have come to the conclusion that there is no way TA was expecting her that fateful day. We remember that reference was made that she spoke to him twice the day she left (she called him and he called her). We are of the assumption that she called him (a very short call…possibly a voicemail) and blackmailed him with that tape she had. He then called her back (45 min. call) and that could have been his last verbal fight with her because after that there were 14 unanswered calls from her to him. When the jury asked her this question she was given the phone records to count for herself so she could answer. She counted only 9 but indicated the rest were duplicates. They were not duplicates because when you are using speed dial on a cell the calls are happening so quickly in succession that the time stamps appear to be almost identical because it hasn’t had a chance to record. So 14 calls were highlighted on the phone records but she only told the jury 9. This told us that he did not want to talk to her!! There were no return calls accounted for! We have heard the talking heads on HLN ask the question, “why would he let her in his house at that hour of the morning!?” Well knowing her stalking history she let herself in. She also said she stood there watching him while he sat at his desk. Noooooo…..she planned this whole thing and she surprised him!! Also….there was a roommate in the house that’s why she didn’t shoot him straight out. She couldn’t take the chance of the noise and she couldn’t get away or out of the city fast enough. Too much of a chance getting caught. The only part of her plan she wasn’t expecting was the mess. She didn’t expect him to fight back as hard as he did. She knew he outweighed her from the git go so she had to plan how to incapacitate him before he could get the upper hand on her…..hence the stab to the heart!! This loser needs to go down and down she will……by her own big mouth and her evilness! Can’t tell you how much we can’t stand to look at this sick evil B**ch anymore. Just be done with her JM……we have faith in you!!

    • 04/21/2013 at 2:02 pm

      yep yep yep this is my take also. Plus I think she was reluctant to use the gun cos it was from the grandfathers.. which is why I think she used it because he convulsed.. or because there was too much mess she thought.. ahh two weapons throw them off thinking 2 perps.. which is why she so quickly tried to point Det Flores in that direction and kept alluding to is.

      Juan will get her can’t wait to see his final reenactment if stephens allows it.

      • 04/21/2013 at 2:17 pm

        Yes, exactly…!

  53. 04/21/2013 at 1:56 pm

    Hey FYI for those who don’t know. The phone call Jodistien made when she phoned him in heaven to leave that fake invitation to Othello.. here is a brief synopsis of that Shakespearean drama.. and bear in mind she is familiar with this because somewhere I have seen a quote from Iago that she references toward herself…. if anyone has that could you post it in?

    When you think about her inviting Travis to this play after she has brutally killed him out of jealousy and need to possesses… it’s nothing short of cold, stone cold.

    Iago is the trouble maker in it all and this drama is also the origin of the saying “green eyed monster” .

    Summary of Othello

    The following short summary of Othello provides a brief description of this famous William Shakespeare play.

    This drama is one of the great tragedy themed plays by William Shakespeare. Othello is a highly esteemed general in the service of Venice. Iago is Othello’s ambitious friend. Othello promotes Michael Cassio to the position of personal lieutenant and Iago is deadly jealous.

    Iago begins an evil and malicious campaign against the hero. Othello elopes with Desdemona but Iago starts to plot against them. Othello becomes jealous and suspicious of Desdemona. He confides in Iago that he plans to poison Desdemona. Plots and murders ensue and Othello returns to the castle to kill his innocent wife. He eventually smothers her to death.

    Emilia tells Othello the truth about the scheming Iago. Othello wounds Iago, then kills himself. Iago kills Emilia.

  54. 04/21/2013 at 2:00 pm

    Thanks above for answering my question about the jurors notes..I thought they could take their notes into jury deliberation with them..I was just wondering about #5’s notes as she took so many that they would be helpful to refresh everyone’s memory….I didn’t know that my other posts “took” and were read.. I didn’t mean to repost so many times.. I love this site and all the info from it .. Do the jurors get to reread the notes they took, when they deliberate?

    • HJ Madison
      04/21/2013 at 3:09 pm

      Yes. They can use their notes and share with each other during deliberations. They will not be permitted to use #5 or #11 notes because neither of those 2 will be present to explain them.

      • NancyB
        04/21/2013 at 6:24 pm

        Thanks HJ!

  55. 04/21/2013 at 2:08 pm

    Mark Eiglish or however his name is spelled is trying to make a name for himself.. He is such a big mouth . He say’s he gets alot of hate mail..I hate it when he yells–they all yell on hln.. I’m always telling him to STFU and turn the channel

    • 04/21/2013 at 2:19 pm

      Yes, he is a yutz!!….a dufus

      • Jay
        04/21/2013 at 6:26 pm

        Nope, smart and astute (check upstairs) and I’m going to email him to post here, because you’ll all just luv and cuddle him to pieces once you get to know him…😋

    • Ginger
      04/23/2013 at 1:36 am

      I couldn’t agree with you more he has the audacity to suggest how Juan should correctly question Someone it’s pathetic!

  56. 04/21/2013 at 2:10 pm

    Ci Ci’s Circle :
    You’re right! When was the last time any of these big mouths on HLN practiced in their profession, tried any cases, tried any DP cases, put someone on death row!?? They all talk about their experience, but when….when was it….??? They all sold out for TV notoriety….what does that tell you of their practice…they went where the money was easy…..on TV!! That’s why we don’t pay any attention to any of those big mouths on HLN!! They cause more trouble than they’re worth!! They love the drama they cause!!

    Like that jean casarez who started the whole issue with JM and signing autographs. She needed to speculate and to hear herself talk..no it all and the woman of wisdom. The best of the lot is Beth Kara’s. She is really bright, thoughtful, and has worthwhile commentary. She has experience in NY as a district attorney and you can tell she hasn’t forgotten. I think at one point she was disgusted by the comments made by the talking heads regarding JM.
    She stated that he knew what he was doing and then vested with her hands that he was here and we are here(much lower level)’ meaning her colleagues on the show. Joey Jackson is pretty good as well. Mike Brooks who has a background in law in forcemeat is also good to listen to.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/21/2013 at 2:18 pm

      Yes….we trust in Beth Karas’s comments. Her review of the trial is worth listening to. Unfortunately you have to sit through the rest of those fools in order to catch a glimpse of Beth. Joey Jackson and Mike Brooks are tolerable as well, except that when Mike Brooks is teamed with that big mouth Vinnie Politan then he is spoken over by that fool Vinnie Politan. You almost have to skip the whole show because your chances of being able to hear those you want to hear from is overshadowed by the rest of those big mouths yelling at each other! We just change the channel and give up!!

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/21/2013 at 2:22 pm

        …..And don’t even get us started on that Jane Velez Mitchell….!!!

    • Kathy A.
      04/21/2013 at 2:27 pm

      Beth Karas is great. Jean Casarez seems to change her opinions depending on which way the wind is blowing. I really lost any belief in her credibility when she “snuck” into the prison in Peru to interview Joren Van Der Sloot – another piece of human misery. Did she think he was going to confess to her? He is another one who has lied so many different times that even if he offered to make a full confession (which he would no doubt do if he were paid enough) you couldn’t believe a word of it. His own mother doesn’t even want anything more to do with him.

      • 04/21/2013 at 3:33 pm

        I like Vinnie. 🙂
        He’s a former prosecutor, too. I rarely hear him on the wrong side. He always sticks up for victims. Really.

      • Jay
        04/21/2013 at 6:35 pm

        I like Dr Drew’s show. Better guests (including you know who) and analysis. & Drew diagnosed Arias as BPD weeks ago, and also as a Domestic Terrorist…

  57. 04/21/2013 at 2:21 pm

    Time 4 me to get zzzs… you all have a great rest of my yesterday 😀

    ***waves^^^

    ttfn

    • 04/21/2013 at 2:24 pm

      Have peaceful dreams Syn.~~~waves~~~

  58. JesusFreak
    04/21/2013 at 2:21 pm

    Hi everyone, i am reading all of todays while i watch fed cup. just noticed somewhere around post 25, you guys were talking about young dr versus old. remember i am 69 and counting so i am not slamming old age and the possibilities open to us. Now, If I could have a brilliant young doctor that had practiced for 10 years or less, or could choose Doc Holliday, (wyatt earps friend), who would i choose? Let us consider, if i had a cold it would not matter recent docs cant fix that anyway, but what if i had a cancer, would i want doc holliday who would probably bleed me? no.
    just my two cents worth.

    • Kathy A.
      04/21/2013 at 2:28 pm

      Great analogy! 😀

      • JesusFreak
        04/21/2013 at 4:19 pm

        ty. btw, ur story was not fun to hear, can not imagine u living thru the happening. u r a very strong lady now and i really admire u.

  59. 04/21/2013 at 2:28 pm

    Ci Ci’s Circle :
    …..And don’t even get us started on that Jane Velez Mitchell….!!!

    I cut her some slack since she uses her air time for public service- healthy diets, environmental issues and animal welfare issues. I think she is an honest good soul who is way too loud…IMHO

    • Kathy A.
      04/21/2013 at 2:30 pm

      I don’t remember her always being that way – the screeching. I’m thinking maybe it’s a requirement at HLN now at least for the female personalities. Nancy Grace was always loud, but has gotten unbearable.

      • HJ Madison
        04/21/2013 at 3:16 pm

        I remember NG when she got her start with Johnnie Cochran on the very old CourtTV. She was good back then. She had self-control and made insightful comments.

        Beth Karas is the best. She works hard at just getting and relaying the information without an opinion ….. but you can always tell where she is leaning. Now that CourtTV is gone, gone I really wonder what will become of the InSession/CourtTV crowd.

      • Jay
        04/21/2013 at 6:40 pm

        NG- only thing I can say positive about her is that her photo makes a nice target on a dart board 😏

  60. Allison
    04/21/2013 at 2:29 pm

    Hey ya’ll. I really like the discussions here. The thing that makes me crazy about all of this is . . . I am disappointed in our system of justice. Although this is my first time to really see how things work – I have never been in a court or served on a jury – so this has been my first time to see these things. I thought everybody (the defense & the prosecution) are supposed to be searching for the TRUTH. I honestly didn’t know it was all about who can trick and twist things around. It goes from Jodi sitting lower than Willmott to twisting testimony. I am just saddened about all of this. I see the defense as doing whatever it can get away with to get her off – but it makes a mockery of searching for the TRUTH. I just don’t get how she can lie about the pedo.. stuff with no evidence. So I am learning that anyone can say anything in court and if you have the better attorney – you win. Not what is really true. Anyway, I am rambling – and just really sad.

    • Janeto
      04/21/2013 at 3:24 pm

      Hi everyone! Whoever is still here anyway! {{{waves}}} everbody! Allison, I am right with you there! This is also my first time really seeing how things work, and I am appalled at this court and judge!!!! 😡 I realize defense attorneys have to try and prove (some) truly innocent people, and get people off, but do it with facts, not all the trickery! And trying to find SO many reasons for a mistrial and seeing WHAT their reasons behind them is unbelievable!!! Their (DT) actions in the courtroom is sickening from one acting like he sits in a F’n recliner and is watching a good movie, constantly picking his nose, talks like he is moving in slow motion, to the other with the horrible tone in her voice and her idiotic so called “knowledge” of the questions she is even asking, to her then snarky immature behavior with the “admitted killer” acting like they are BFF’s , right down to “dressing alike” are really and truly so unprofessional it’s amazing to me!! This trial should have happened a LONG time ago, but since it didn’t, it should have been over MONTHS ago!!! All the wasted court time, citizens money spent on frivolous behavior is just beyond what I can wrap my head around!!! I already can’t wrap my head around someone who has done this unspeakable crime, trying desperatly to make everyone believe it wasn’t her fault!!! Allowing this defense team so much rope to discredit, and confuse the jury, is truly a sight to behold!!! I pray to God, these poor jurors will see the injustice done to Travis and his family and the agony of what they continue to go through for this POS murderess and Company!!!!! ! If not, I truly will lose ALL hope in the justice system!!!! OJ was bad enough, Casey Anthony, yet number 2, but this one I pray they get right!!!! Thanks for letting me vent donchais…..I’ve not truly done this until today!!

    • NancyB
      04/21/2013 at 3:41 pm

      Allison,

      Great comment! This is the very thing that galls me to my core. It took me y-e-a-r-s to finally integrate that my naivete was the biggest problem blocking me from seeing what was right before my eyes. I told myself that the OJ verdict was just an aberration and that our justice and court system trial process’ foundation truly *was* a search for the TRUTH.

      In 1997 I had the opportunity to follow the British nanny Louise Woodward’s trial in Boston. The judge who presided over the baby-shaking trial reduced the jury’s second-degree murder verdict to involuntary manslaughter. He found no malice in Woodward’s actions, a necessary legal element to support the murder conviction in Massachusetts. There was a huge public outcry of outrage as the court of public opinion *knew* that the law did not support this judge’s interpretation of law or his actions that followed. I began to see how my iron clad belief in that a search for TRUTH was the core basis of all trials was ultimately a severely flawed belief system that often did not correlate with reality.

      I was very disturbed by this verdict, that denied justice to sweet baby Mattie Eappen or his parents. I began to question what’s to stop a corrupt judge from throwing out guilty verdicts every time he disagrees with a jury? The judge further infuriated me when he gave LW time served and she went back to England post haste.

      But the realization that I had been 100% wrong did not fully integrate my thought process until experiencing the pain of the CA verdict. Now, after closely following many more trials I’m cognizant that the sole thing that trials are about is who WINS. I hope that the majority of trial verdicts are fair and mirror the truth of the evidence that was presented during the trial and reflects justice for what was done to the victim but I’m not convinced that it’s even 50/50 anymore. I’m more cynical that also disturbs me!

      • Douglme
        04/21/2013 at 3:59 pm

        IMO, I think the Judges keep too much information away from the jurors because they think it is too prejudicial. If the jurors could see ALL the evidence that we see, they would come to the same conclusions we as spectators do. I do not know if the justice system will ever change unless they change how evidence is screened. I can only pray that there is enough evidence in this case for the jurors to find JA guilty 1st degree!

    • 04/21/2013 at 3:44 pm

      My first intro was as a rape victim. Try that. My husband/rapist hired a very expensive attorney and I had a slightly experienced prosecutor. It was the most horrific, grueling, embarrassing, and angering ordeal to go through. My husband was able to drag me through the dirt and say that I loved having role-play sex where I loved to be raped. 100% lies. Thank God I had his crime on tape, which spoke for itself and dispelled his theory. But the broken justice system starts long before trial. Look how long it to for Jodi to get to trial..5 yrs! It took 2 1/2 yrs for mine. Those delays serve the criminal cuz the longer time goes by the more memories fade, stories don’t match up, people change their minds, other events unfold, etc. Then after conviction, victims have to deal with a system where it seemingly is always trying to give criminals a break. In CA, they’re letting criminals out left and right cuz they don’t have adequate medical care (which is BS), in IL, the Gov repealed the death penalty so now all sentences are LAOP. It goes on and on. It’s never in stone so the victim can have peace.

      • NancyB
        04/21/2013 at 6:39 pm

        Hi Crystal – I ordered Barbara Bentley’s book as I am hopeful that she writes about her process of getting the law changed. After your posted comment about her I looked her up and I remembered the Dateline episode about what she went through. She is an amazing lady! Each time I read one of your comments I become more infuriated to hear the details of the nightmare you went through and that truly is still in play. Thinking of your boys. How old will they be when he gets out? You know, it’s very ironic because the criminal is the one with all the rights! Unless, they sign off on each and every delay (always to their advantage) the speedy trial laws come into play. Of course the victim has NO such rights to demand a speedy trial. It’s all ass backwards.

      • 04/21/2013 at 8:15 pm

        My boys will be 11 and 9 when he gets out. They were 5 and 2 when this happened and haven’t seen him since. They want nothing to do with him. It’s unbelievable to me that the Family Court Judge went against all recommendations and ordered immediate reunification at his release. I had no choice but to Appeal.

    • HJ Madison
      04/21/2013 at 3:50 pm

      Hi Allison: You make some very good points but in the end, usually, the truth does come out. I know Casey Anthony and OJ would make it seem otherwise …. but there are hundreds of cases everyday that a jury of one’s peers makes the right call.

      The saddest part of this trial is that if you go back through some of the earlier court documents it is clear that JA threatened to use her filthy lies about TA as a way to get the Prosecutor to take “death” off the table. After the forged letter debacle, I am certain JM must have fought like hell to keep her insinuations about pedophilia out. Had JA not taken the stand in her own defense, many of her lies probably would not have come in at all. Because this is a case that no-one wants to do over, the Judge is being very lenient and allowing JA to make every concievable argument now. It is tragic the family has to sit and listen to this vomit …. but no one believes it, there is not a single shred of corrobarating evidence. I actually think it makes it more likely JA will get the DP.

  61. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/21/2013 at 3:15 pm

    Syntara :
    ph heck yeah.. the fact the photos exist at all and she left the camera thinking they were destroyed shows there was something looking out for Travis that day.
    Sadly not enough to keep him on this earth but enough to tell the tale of why he left it.

    We have always said it was God’s finger on that camera that took that last picture of TA. He knew this spawn of the devil had to be caught!

    • Janeto
      04/21/2013 at 3:28 pm

      CiCi, I believe that with all my heart too!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Jay
      04/21/2013 at 6:46 pm

      CiCi, there were two ‘accidental’ pics, right? The one of Travis’ body, and another of something I think is the shower floor ledge??

      I still don’t understand how the camera was activated to take those pics.. Do you know?

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/21/2013 at 8:26 pm

        It’s been speculated that it was accidently kicked around. There is the one of the ceiling lights, her dragging his body, and another of her foot along the baseboard.

      • 04/21/2013 at 11:29 pm

        Jay :
        Nope, smart and astute (check upstairs) and I’m going to email him to post here, because you’ll all just luv and cuddle him to pieces once you get to know him…😋

        check my comment upstairs on NancyB’s original post… and I had to have it explained who he was so my take was definitely objective to the words in that. as i had no background on the author at all!! Just the words she presented. If he is how you describe he needs to widen his persepective.

        He is a typical over thinker who puts his own experience on to others and expects them to act accordingly Shows a very narrow mindset and lack of general insight. Shows he may have knowledge in one small area but lacks the ability to integrate it with outside circumstances.

        Not good qualities imo.

      • 04/22/2013 at 12:02 am

        gah wrong place well at least it has the quote

  62. Observer
    04/21/2013 at 3:19 pm

    I disagree with a statement on Croakerqueen video Day 21 that if Jodi shot Travis first, it leads credence to Jodi’s self defense story. The ME said the shot would have incapacitated Travis so he couldn’t have threatened her life or fought back and there would be no need for her to stab him 29 times and slit his throat in self defense.

    Under Arizona self defense laws, you are only allowed to use enough force to get away. He had defensive wounds on his hands, stab wounds to his heart, chest, back, neck, legs and damage to his feet from stomping or beating with a bat as well as the bullet hole in his brain. Her only injuries were cut fingers from stabbing Travis. That showed Travis was the one who was trying to get away and she was trying to make sure he suffered a painful death.

    Dragging his body back to the shower to wash it, cleaning up the blood on the floor, putting the bedding and camera in the washer shows she was destroying evidence that would put her at the murder scene.

    All of the evidence points to premeditated murder and not self defense.

    If she wasn’t planning on killing Travis why:

    1-Stage a burglary of her grandfather’s house and steal the .25 caliber gun used in the shooting?
    2- Go to all the trouble of renting a light colored car 90 miles from her home?
    3-Remove the license plate in front and turn the back license plate upside down?
    4-Fill three gas cans in Sacramento so there are no receipts or record that she was even in Arizona when Travis was murdered?
    5- Take the battery out of her cell phone so there are no pings on cell towers in Arizona?

    Her immature account of the killing she spoon fed to the jury with a straight face sounds as ridiculous as the Ninja story. It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that it was a fantasy concocted by a Borderline Personality or sociopath who watches gangster shows on TV. From the questions they asked, the jurors are smart enough to see that.

    Travis never threatened to kill Jodi when she slashed his tires, stalked him and wrecked the engine in his Mercedes. He never threatened to kill Lisa or Mimi when they rejected him. He was understanding and remained friends with all of them.

    Why would an understanding stand up guy go berserk over someone dropping his camera? How could he even jump up from sitting in the shower with one leg over another and pick her up and body slam her? Only in a gangster movie would a man tackle someone pointing a gun at him and lying on the floor with a bullet in his brain swear and threaten to kill her in an incomplete sentence. How could she not know she shot him?

    The prosecutors theory that she stabbed him in the chest first and shot him after slicing his throat from ear to ear fits the ME’s findings that there is bleeding around all the other wounds except for the gunshot, which means he was already dead when shot. No stippling on his face and the trajectory proves he was shot when she was standing over him and the shell casing lying on top of dried blood near the sink shows he was shot after he was stabbed.

    • Janeto
      04/21/2013 at 3:26 pm

      I totally agree with you observer!!! Well said!!!

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/21/2013 at 3:41 pm

      She lives in a fantasy world she created for herself! She thinks she’s smarter than anyone else and that EVERYONE is dumb enough to believe her. She thinks her fantasy reality is ours! She has those flaky ex-boyfriends wrapped around her finger and either they fear her or they are that stupid and weak minded to allow themselves to be manipulated by her sex! We truly believe that they played a bigger part in her story and trip she took that day and they’re still stupid enough to keep quiet to protect her. Travis began to see her for what she was…..unfortunately when he cut the cord it was too late. Her sick plan was in the works and there was no turning back for her. She was hell bent on revenge and the only thing that would satisfy her was success in killing him as she did. That was pure rage and hate that she unleashed that day and thankfully she was caught before she could do it again. You gotta wonder…..where the hell was she headed with that 9mm and knives she was caught with when they arrested her!??

      • 04/22/2013 at 12:30 am

        CC’Cs.. hey girls.. I love all this but can I rearrange (for want of a better term) one thing? Hope you don’t mind.

        She wanted him… when he cut or tried to cut ties she wanted him even more. Her game was to win. The further he pulled away the closer he was to death. The more desperate she became.

        So basically the timing of him pulling away was irrelevant… whenever he pulled away, whenever she lost control of him he was going to die. It was 4th June 2008 because he did this on the 26th May 2008 and then further the 14 unanswered calls illustrate just how determined he was this time.

        The very fact he pulled away was the clincher. She simply could not stand or accept her inability to control him.

        That is actually what he paid for… daring to step out from under her control and wave her adieu.

        Oh also, in her sick way she loved him. But it is not a love your or I.. or anyone.. would want. Her idea of love is to possess and never be questioned, to control.

      • Ginger
        04/23/2013 at 1:47 am

        Great post I think there each played there part then once they saw the massacre this monster did they all clammed up and went into hiding mode.

    • NancyB
      04/21/2013 at 3:45 pm

      YES!!!!!!!!!

    • 04/21/2013 at 3:47 pm

      I agree! No matter how the sequence of events are reviewed, it is over kill. Lets not forget she had the option of leaving if she feared for her life(bs), and opted to engage in this pre-meditated murder. It makes no sense that she would have shot him first.

  63. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/21/2013 at 3:25 pm

    msdeb :
    CiCi…so very true and so cogent of reality! I always enjoy reading your comments! Here, here, to “old hens”, of which, I consider myself one…

    Thanks! Every now and then we have an “A-ha” moment and post it before we forget again……ayyyyy….such is life!

    • Janeto
      04/21/2013 at 3:32 pm

      😆 Cici, you guys ALWAYS have aha moments!! You folks are truly awesome, smart, and hilarious! I love it when you post things! You keep me laughing, and show us what you have noticed along the way!!! Love you “peeps!”

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/21/2013 at 3:42 pm

        Thanks to all for keeping us thinking young!!

  64. 04/21/2013 at 3:48 pm

    It’s hard keeping up on this thread, but I do love it so much. My life has been overtaken lately with the DatelineNBC production. It has moved into super high gear cuz they have moved the air date of my episode up from June to May 8. I’ll keep ya’ll posted.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/21/2013 at 4:05 pm

      Will you know ahead of time what time it will air in the different time zones? If so…be sure to let us know!

    • NancyB
      04/21/2013 at 6:43 pm

      That’s wonderful, actually! I’ll make sure that post the air date everywhere!! It must be quite stressful right now but what a fine achievement!! Meanwhile, I’ve been meaning to ask you, because you live in my backyard, so to speak, has The San Diego Tribune covered your case in a significant and positive way? I don’t read newspapers, so that’s why I’m asking.

      • 04/21/2013 at 8:22 pm

        Oh yah. The Union Tribune and the North County Times (before they merged) publishes an article every time there’s a development. ABC 10 covered the whole trial.
        And since you’re in San Diego, I’m gonna be on the local morning twice this week. Tomorrow morning (Mon), on KUSI at 9am to promote the Center for Community Solutions fundraiser this Fri. CCS is San Diego’s rape/DV crisis center. They are giving me their “Courage Award” this year. And also will be on San Diego Living this Wed at 9am to promote same. Check it out if you can. 🙂

  65. Observer
    04/21/2013 at 4:26 pm

    Bizzare statements Jodi Arias made to Flores, the media and the jury:

    “If I killed somebody, I would wear gloves. I have plenty of them.”

    “If I killed Travis, I would show him mercy. I would shoot him. I’d never stab him.”

    “I didn’t kill Travis. I have many ex boyfriends and they are all alive.”

    “I would never kill Travis because I believe in the ten commandments: Thou Shall Not Kill.”

    “I loved Travis on June 4, 2008 (when she was stabbing him to death, slitting his throat and shooting him in the head) and I still do but in a different way.”

    “I didn’t call 911 because even though I was fighting for my life, I didn’t see it that way. I felt I did something wrong.”

    “I didn’t know if he was dead or alive because I never killed anyone before.”

    “I thought if you pointed a gun at someone loaded or not they’d stop” and she puts her hands up as if she is surrendering to police.

    “I didn’t even know he was shot after the gun went off. He didn’t act any different. He was still angry, threatening my life and pulling on my clothes and trying to get control of me.”

    “I have no memory of stabbing Travis or dragging his body. I guess I must have blacked out.”

    “I don’t know how the bullet casing got in the blood because there was no blood when I shot him.”

    “I had no fear – I mean anger – when I was stabbing Travis.”

    “I can remember feelings but not details when I am in a blackout.”

    “I remember I was in mortal terror that day.”

    “I made up the intruder story I told police to fit the forensics.”

    “I called the police to find out what they knew to see if I was going to be arrested.”

    “I didn’t tell the police about the pedophilia or abuse because I thought it would look like I had a motive.”

    “I was free to date Ryan Byrnes after Travis passed away because I was single.”

    “I confronted Travis about making out with a woman because although we weren’t boyfriend/girlfriend he was courting me.”

    “I did television interviews because I wanted to protect Travis’s and my relationship.”

    “I lied to the police about killing Travis because I wanted to protect Travis’ reputation.”

    “I said no jury would convict me because I planned to commit suicide.”

    “I tried to commit suicide once but when I nicked my wrist, it stung.”

    “I have a very good memory except when I am under stress or someone like you(Martinez) or Travis is yelling at me.”

    “I don’t usually lie. I only lied about killing Travis to protect his memory and I was scared and ashamed for anyone to know I was capable of doing such a thing.”

    “I slept with Travis after I discovered he had an attraction to children because I thought he would stay away from children if he slept with me.”

    “I’m telling the truth now because I am under oath.”

    “I swore to tell the truth to the best of my ability.”

    • 04/21/2013 at 5:52 pm

      Illogical, but oh so telling

      • 04/21/2013 at 11:36 pm

        Heygirl… total agreement with your statement.. soooooo telling …..many many of the above. Give heaps of insight.

    • NancyB
      04/22/2013 at 12:43 am

      I’d like these on a poster board during closing arguments. Just reading all of these is proof positive that everything she says is a self serving lie.

      • Kathy A.
        04/22/2013 at 5:59 pm

        She is so determined to show everyone how smart and superior she is, she just can’t shut up and traps herself with the ridiculous statements she makes. Thank goodness.

    • Ginger
      04/23/2013 at 1:52 am

      And the cherry topped “no jury will ever convict me”

  66. Kathy A.
    04/21/2013 at 4:46 pm

    JesusFreak :
    ty. btw, ur story was not fun to hear, can not imagine u living thru the happening. u r a very strong lady now and i really admire u.

    Thank you, although I don’t know that I’m to be admired. I guess you never really know how you’re going to handle a situation until you find yourself, unfortunately, in it. But again, thank you for the very nice words.

  67. Kathy A.
    04/21/2013 at 4:49 pm

    Douglme :
    IMO, I think the Judges keep too much information away from the jurors because they think it is too prejudicial. If the jurors could see ALL the evidence that we see, they would come to the same conclusions we as spectators do. I do not know if the justice system will ever change unless they change how evidence is screened. I can only pray that there is enough evidence in this case for the jurors to find JA guilty 1st degree!

    I so agree with you! I know it’s not how our system works, but I think if something is prejudicial, it SHOULD be allowed in because it goes to guilt. I know defendants’ have rights, but some of the evidentiary rules and technicalities are just too extreme.

  68. Wiser latina
    04/21/2013 at 4:49 pm

    I am new here, have followed the trial via Dr Drew mostly – glad to find this site. Having watched numerous other trials, my question is for those who are familiar with Arizona trials (and I apologize if this has been asked before). It seems to me that the judge is keeping the loosest rein in history on this trial in terms of what she allows as testimony and lines of questioning – and I cannot for the life of me figure out why. So much has seemed to me to be way outside the scope – the endless sex details, the “battered woman” testimony (what an insult that was to battered women everywhere) and countless other instances. Can anyone explain to me – is this judge being unusually lenient, or is this normal for a death penalty trial in Arizona? I have never heard of any other defendant spending more than three days on the witness stand. Are there other examples?
    Thanks in advance.

    • Kathy A.
      04/21/2013 at 10:10 pm

      Hello and welcome. Most trials in Arizona move along more quickly than this, and much of the time attorneys advise defendants against taking the stand but since Jodi Arias is claiming self-defense, she’s the only one who can explain what happened. Lies though they are. I can cite one other example – I mentioned it earlier on this page. In 2004, Wendi Andriano went to trial in Phoenix for the murder of her husband, and it was a death penalty case. Andriano was on the witness stand for about 9 days and the trial itself started in late August and the verdict was rendered in mid-November, with the death sentence being pronounced in December of that year.

      However, that trial had many, many witnesses particularly for the prosecution, it wasn’t because of so many constant sidebars and delays. I think this judge is more lenient or doesn’t have as good of control of the courtroom as she could, but then I’m not in her shoes so I can’t really say. The other thing that contributes to the length of trials here is the policy of allowing jurors to submit questions to any and all witnesses.

      I don’t know if that answers your questions, but hopefully it has shed some light.

      • Wiser Latina
        04/22/2013 at 7:21 pm

        Thank you Kathy A. That does help me understand a bit better. I have never seen a televised trial in which the jurors submitted questons. I kind of like that although I agree it slows down an already long trial.

  69. JesusFreak
    04/21/2013 at 5:01 pm

    why is court closed Monday?

    • Schaeffer
      04/21/2013 at 6:26 pm

      A juror had a conflict on that day, something they planned before this never-ending trial took over their lives.

  70. 04/21/2013 at 6:28 pm

    I don’t know if this has come up yet on this website, but I am watching a movie on Lifetime, called the ‘Blue-Eyed Butcher’, and decided to look up some info on this chick, because of the similarities to JA. I found this link, and I can’t believe what I am reading!!! It reads like the JA playbook of a defense!! Really scary!!

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/03/texas.susan.wright.sentence/index.html

    • NancyB
      04/21/2013 at 6:48 pm

      Oh yes! They truly are kissin’ cousins, WTJ. A few weeks back someone on this blog posted some very interesting comments about her. The prosecutor in that case reminds me of Juan in some ways.

      She was a BULLDOG. She brought a bed into the courtroom and had the male prosecutor lie prostrate on the bed while she straddled him and proceeded to re-enact every one of the 200 stab wounds! Seriously, I don’t know how she wasn’t in oxygen debt at the end of that recreation.

      • 04/21/2013 at 7:16 pm

        Yeah, I just saw that part! I think I remember this prosecutor. It might have been on an episode of ‘Snapped’ or ’48 Hrs.’ She is really passionate, like our boy!

  71. 04/21/2013 at 6:34 pm

    Here’s the text, just in case the link doesn’t work:

    Houston, Texas — A Houston woman known as the “blue-eyed butcher” was resentenced Tuesday to 20 years for stabbing her husband some 200 times.

    Susan Wright was convicted of first-degree murder in 2004 in the stabbing death of her husband, Jeffrey Wright. According to testimony, she buried the body in the backyard of their Houston-area home.

    The same jury that convicted Wright sentenced her at the time to 25 years in prison, but an appeals court overturned her sentence last year, saying her attorneys had bungled the case.

    A new jury was seated last month to determine Wright’s punishment, with possible punishments ranging from community supervision to life behind bars.

    During more than two weeks of dramatic testimony, family members, Jeffrey Wright’s ex-girlfriends, and neighbors of the Wrights squarely divided over whether the 34-year-old victim was a loving family man or a violent, cocaine-fueled abuser.

    A medical examiner testified he was able to count 193 wounds on the body, with the actual number of stab wounds well in excess of that. Defense attorneys claim Wright killed in the heat of passion after years of beatings and rapes.

    Prosecutors argued Wright was tired of married life, and angry at her husband’s drug use and frequent late nights out. “This was not a battered woman — this was divorce by homicide,” said Assistant District Attorney John Jordan during his closing argument on Monday. He asked jurors to sentence Wright to no less than 45 years behind bars.

    Among the witnesses not called in the 2004 trial was psychologist Jerome Brown, who interviewed Wright days after the killing. Brown diagnosed Wright with Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, and told jurors last week she was in a “dissociative state” while attempting an elaborate cleanup after the killing.

    Brown also testified that Wright told him her husband was asleep when she retrieved a knife from their kitchen and began to stab him. This differs from Wright’s tearful testimony at her original trial, when she said she killed her husband in self-defense after he stood over her with the knife and said “Die, bitch!”

    Prosecutors have scoffed at the idea that the 5’4″, 120-pound defendant could have overpowered her 6’2″, 220-pound husband, and argued to the jury she tied him to their bed before killing him. They also suggested she may have drugged him with gamma-hydroxybutyric acid, known as the “date-rape drug,” low levels of which were found in Jeffrey Wright’s system.

    Because Brown didn’t testify in 2004, prosecutors did not have access to his notes. Last week, however, Jordan questioned Brown about the discrepancy in the defendant’s stories and about a telephone call from her original defense attorney, Neal Davis, on the eve of the trial. Davis had just read Brown’s notes and realized they were detrimental to his client’s claim of self-defense. The call was tape-recorded by Davis.

    Brown admitted he responded with an expletive, and then said, “I’ll take a look at my notes and see if there’s any way to get around that problem.”

    Also new on the witness stand were two former girlfriends of the victim, whose colorful testimony drew occasional laughter. Misty McMichael testified Wright beat her repeatedly during their two-year relationship and tried to control her every move.

    Prosecutors called the woman’s story a blend of fiction and exaggeration, disputing her claims Wright that threw her down a staircase 104 times and kept her locked in a room above his family’s flooring business. As she sparred verbally with prosecutor Connie Spence, the judge scolded McMichael, saying she was turning the hearing into “a circus.”

    Another woman, Marcy Holloway, came forward to prosecutors only recently, and testified last week that Wright was a patient, caring boyfriend with whom she broke up only because “I could not handle being with a man better looking than myself.”

    Wright’s new defense attorneys argued that she has been punished enough, and asked for probation. “Her bedroom was a hell chamber. Her house was a prison. She’s been in the penitentiary,” said Jonathan Munier, adding that Wright has also signed away her parental rights. The Wrights’ two children have been adopted by Jeffrey Wright’s brother.

    “He’s the damn devil,” continued Munier. “And how do you kill the devil? You can’t. He’s still here, still tormenting her. What more can she lose?”

    Wright was given a chance to address the victim’s family after the verdict was announced. “I just want you to know that I’m sorry. I’m sorry he’s not here,” she said softly. “I’m sorry you don’t have your son, and your brother.”

    The five women and seven men deliberated for more than 10 hours over two days. Wright will be eligible for parole in 2014.

    • 04/21/2013 at 6:36 pm

      This article was written in 2010, the same year JA changed her story again, to the so-called ‘self-defense’ story!

      • 04/21/2013 at 7:39 pm

        Interesting and surprising for a case in Tx.

    • Jay
      04/21/2013 at 6:57 pm

      eligible for parole in 2014?
      What’s that – 3-weeks of jail time per knife stab?

  72. Dewey
    04/21/2013 at 6:53 pm

    This should be a no-brainer. JM proved beyond a reasonable doubt, pre-meditation. He successfully discredited both defense expert witnesses as well as JA with her lies. There is a mountain of real, not circumstantial evidence against JA and the defense has not presented a shred of proof to back up any of their bulls**t claims. Yet, I’m still worried and not convinced that the jury will do the right thing here.

    • 04/22/2013 at 12:02 am

      I don’t blame you for being worried. People just don’t know what judgment is, and don’t have any good judgment. Jurors seem completely dumbfounded by the term “beyond a reasonable doubt”, and juries are known to do the weirdest things. Trust me…I know! I am encouraged by what I’ve heard so far in the jurors’ questions, even the tiger/bear one.

  73. 04/21/2013 at 7:20 pm

    Jay :
    r u Mark?Nope, smart and astute (check upstairs) and I’m going to email him to post here, because you’ll all just luv and cuddle him to pieces once you get to know him…😋

    R u Mark? In any event, you may be totally right but it is the perception based on his comments and interactions. If you’re him, please disclose to us. It would make for a more enriching conversation/blog.

    • Jay
      04/21/2013 at 9:45 pm

      No, Lisa… I’m just another lost soul on the highway of life, as that old song goes..😰

      • 04/22/2013 at 7:09 am

        So noted Jay. Thanks

  74. traceya1
    04/21/2013 at 7:53 pm

    Schaeffer – I may have missed your post about the braids. But I’ve missed a lot over this past week. 😦

    Here ya go… (new theory and Ah-ha moment included)
    I am convinced that JA came down Pacific Coast Hwy (PCH). That would’ve added immeasurable time to her arrival in Pasadena. When I watched Mickee D’s vid that Syn posted a few days back, he delved into that briefly but maintains she came down Hwy 101. Plus, JA worked at Ventana. I don’t recall any evidence being brought in that she may have stopped there to see old friends, coworkers but I think it’s a distinct possibility. She was borrowing money from many so it makes sense that she would try at Ventana as well, likely without success.

    As she proceeded south down PCH she would stop take pictures…reflect. It’s what I would do and have done many times. I believe that she then picked up Hwy 101 in San Luis Obispo as PCH ends here and is not really accessible again until Avila Beach (a bit further south).

    Depending on what time JA picked up the 101 she was, likely, facing huge traffic jams as she proceeded south towards Pasadena adding more time for her approximate arrival around 8pm as the gas receipts indicate.

    As far as leaving Pasadena…I WAS inclined to believe that she did take I-40 (via I-210 to I-15 to I-40 then cut off onto Hwy 93 east of Kingman, AZ [Mapquest 8.15 hrs 516.09 miles]). I believed this based on the the interrogation tapes. JA throws out to Det. Flores that she “got lost on I-40″. And as Det. Flores tells her ” this doesn’t make sense” she then throws out “Oh, did I mention I was on I-10 as well?”. Like many others on this site, I believe there is some truth in most of her lies. At first, I believed I-10 was absurd and out of the question. But when I reread my previous post with road atlas in hand something jumped out on me and it was an AH-HA moment.

    I still maintain this part of the route (I-40 via I-210 to I-15 to I-40) but instead of proceeding further east on I-40 to pick up Hwy 93, she picked up Hwy 95 just east of Needles, CA.[Mapquest 7.56 hrs 508.50 miles] This would take her south to I-10 and right through the town of Ehrenberg, AZ!! I firmly believe this is the route she took. She wanted to reminisce about the time she spent with Travis in Ehrenberg. I know she trashed Travis on the stand during her direct testiphony by stating he “slapped” her across the face or “jaw” (as ALV belabored in her testiphony) and “forced” her to perform oral sex, none of which I believe BTW. I think they actually had a nice time together on this trip. Twice (once in an interrogation video and once in one of her TV interviews) she glowingly recounts how sweet and giving Travis was when he saw the homeless lady and went to a Wendy’s burger joint to buy her food and drink.

    Now, not knowing exactly what time she arrived in Mesa, JA may have just “lurked” outside of Travis’ home peering in windows; making sure he was alone, etc. That thought alone creeps me out!

    After brutally murdering Travis I speculate that she left Mesa and headed to Mesquite, NV via Hwy 93 to I-15 in Las Vegas [Mapquest 6.33 hrs 383.45 miles]. Here, I believe she refueled on gas, likely paying cash. From there, she traveled north on I-15 headed to West Jordon, UT

    Total miles from Pasadena, CA to Mesquite, NV (rounded) = 892 miles
    Fuel tank capacity on Ford Focus 14.0 gal + 15.0 gal in gas cans = 29 gal
    Avg fuel economy on Ford Focus (this varied by source) 27city/37hwy =32 mpg (Majority of this drive is all open highway)
    Fuel capacity x avg mpg = 928

    JA would certainly be cutting things close but I can’t rule out that she didn’t stop to fill the fuel tank possibly in Needles or Blythe, CA or even Ehrenberg, AZ (that would be hugely risky though) paid cash and tossed the receipt. JA only kept the receipts that she thought benefited her (LOL). Additionally, here in CA there are some gas stations where you can pay cash at the pump without having to go inside to the clerk.

    I didn’t cover the drive from West Jordon, UT back to Yreka, CA because, for me, “there is nothing noteworthy to report”. I can’t really speculate on anything from Mesa to Mesquite because I’m not as familiar with that route.

    • HJ Madison
      04/21/2013 at 11:55 pm

      Tracey, I have been waiting for your post. Thanks for the diligent effort! Another thought about PCH — I am sure it must be in the book 1000 places to see before you die. She was so intently working on the list with TA. Anyone have the book and can check?

      Also, do you recall when she got her nails done — or whatever “beauty” treatment she was pursuing?

      • 04/22/2013 at 12:08 am

        Didn’t she get a full Brazilian wax? Eww! I pity the person who had to do that.

      • Tracey A
        04/22/2013 at 2:46 pm

        Hi HJ! If PCH isn’t in the book of “1000 Places…” then the book is missing something! I don’t have the book but maybe someone else does.

        I can’t recall when she had her nails done. It was either on June 2 or June 3 but it was in Salinas when she also bought the 3rd gas can from WalMart.

    • 04/22/2013 at 12:16 am

      Trace… I’ve stolen your post ie copied it to HD…. as I did Schaeffer’s. They don’t mean anything to me until I cross references with some visual aids, cos as you know I’m only familiar with Roo routes… so thank you so much for this!! 😀

      • 04/22/2013 at 6:34 am

        🙂

    • 04/22/2013 at 7:11 am

      Great job Tracy! I had no idea some of these roads existed and I’m from SoCal.

  75. Observer
    04/21/2013 at 8:20 pm

    I think it is possible that Jodi concocted her bogus self defense lie from the Susan Wright case.

    They are two birds of a feather. Susan was a topless dancer. Jodi is a nymphomaniac. Susan is the same size as Jodi and her husband outweighed her by 75 to 80 lbs just like Travis and she overpowered him by stabbing him 200 times in his sleep. He had to have been tied to the bed or he could have overpowered her just like Jodi overpowered Travis by having him trapped and sitting on the floor of his tiny shower.

    However, Jodi Arias does not want the 20 year sentence Susan Wright got.

    In a motion filed by Nurmi in 2011, Jodi Arias agreed to plead guilty to second degree murder but Nurmi did not cite the Susan Wright case. Instead, he cited two other cases that weren’t even similar where one of the defendants got a sentence of 12 years.

    Susan Wright was convicted in 2004. Just because she is eligible for parole in 2014, doesn’t mean she will get it.

    However, like Jodi Arias she is soft spoken and plays victim so she may serve only 10 years for stabbing her husband 200 times.

    The courts might as well declare open season on men if all a woman who stabs her man to death has to do is cry abuse and she gets out in a few years to do it all over again.

    Hopefully, this jury will put a stop to this charade and sentence the black eyed butcher to death so men are safe in our society. I hope the prosecution can stress the danger by testimony that when she was arrested police found the 9 mm and two knives in a rental car as she prepared to go on the run according to her father.

    • 04/22/2013 at 7:08 am

      I’m hoping that this evidence regarding her plan to leave with knives and a gun in her vehicle is brought up and the jury becomes aware of it. I agree with you that she is very dangerous and the jury needs to be made aware of this issue. I don’t think they know about a gun and knives being found in her car. I know she made some comment about going camping with men from work and she wanted protection. How strange is that?? I don’t know is the jury was present to hear this. This planned escape with a gun and knives should be emphasized. We can only imagine who may have been on her hit list that she would have carried out had she not been arrested prior to her departure.

      • Kathy A.
        04/22/2013 at 10:11 pm

        This is pure speculation but I’ve wondered if she was going after Darryl Brewer, because he could tie her to the gas cans and she told him she was going to Mesa.

      • Ginger
        04/23/2013 at 2:00 am

        I think she was gunning for Mimi since she did not know yet that her and travis were not dating she probably read Travis emails since she hacked into every aspect of his life no pun intended.

  76. Tracey A
    04/21/2013 at 8:20 pm

    Oh shoot! Sorry donchais for the duplicate. Ehhh! Note to self – check your name before posting.

    • donchais
      04/21/2013 at 8:31 pm

      LOL!

  77. Kristy
    04/21/2013 at 9:14 pm

    I’m not sure if this has been brought up here or not, but it sounds to me like Jodi spent far more on gas and the rental car and no doubt food and Starbucks than she would have if she had flown to visit Ryan. Flights couldn’t have cost as much as the high price of gas plus the rental car.
    Did Jodi even see anyone in S Cal.? I thought she didn’t after not getting through to the person. That is absurd if true to drive that far and not get together.
    I hope Juan brings up the huge expense the trip was versus a plane flight along with how cleverly Jodi hid the 9mm gun, so it wasn’t found for a while in her get away rental car. The police found knives in the car, and eventually the gun was found. it sounds like it was Jodi’s mom who asked about the cops finding the gun if I’m not mistaken.
    This really supports the premeditation to me ( along with all other Jodi lies).

    • 04/22/2013 at 7:26 am

      Kristy, that is a good point! She put over 2,000 miles on the rental. We all know how expensive renting a car can get, especially when you return the rental days after the scheduled return date! It would be interesting to see what the price of a plane ticket was back in June 2008. Very interesting point!

    • kristin
      04/22/2013 at 6:08 pm

      How did she hide that gun?

  78. 04/21/2013 at 9:26 pm

    Pop Rocks and Tootsie Pops. Been watching old footage and catching her and her brood of legion lies.

  79. 04/21/2013 at 9:27 pm

    “Sexual Incident.”

  80. Jay
    04/21/2013 at 10:25 pm

    Ci Ci’s Circle :
    It’s been speculated that it was accidently kicked around. There is the one of the ceiling lights, her dragging his body, and another of her foot along the baseboard.

    Yesterday I spent about an hour looking at a PDF User Manual of that camera and I can’t see how kicking it would cause an exposure. The ‘clicker’ to do that looks small. And if there are two accidental photos wouldn’t you have to kick that same exact spot twice? I also looked to see if there was a way to automatically shoot pics with a timer device, but didn’t see anything about that in the guide. And what are the odds of having an accidentally dropped camera taking a photo of Travis dead, in the shower.

    Something doesn’t compute here.

    Has any other info been testified to about how that happened?

    Also — I was looking at the camera users guide to see how much concentration it would require to erase everything in memory, this in regard to the defense claim Arias could do that on auto-pilot in the middle of a PTSD episode.

    No way that could happen. Even an accomplished photographer well familiar with the camera would have to focus their attention to do that (the camera was new, Travis recently acquired it, and I believe that was the first time she used it).. To get to the erase screen requires activating the menu screen, then scrolling down five or six other sections, and then choosing one of three options. Then, you have to highlight ‘delete all” – click it, click it again to verify. And probably wait for a ‘done’ message.

    Ant that doesn’t include removing the memory card.

    • NancyB
      04/22/2013 at 1:38 am

      Jay, what’s the make and model of the camera? I have never understood clearly how the unintentional pics happened. Last night I listened to the testimony from both the State’s expert & the defense’s on this very issue and I have no more clarity now then before.

      Juan did get one of the expert’s to admit that with the camera upside down that by kicking the top of the camera would cause the button to be depressed and a picture would be taken. He had the guy demonstrate this but not by kicking the camera but just by pressing he palm across the upside down camera. The guy said that the button depressed very easily with almost no pressure and you could audibly hear the camera click as if a picture was taken.

  81. Family of Law
    04/21/2013 at 11:39 pm

    The defense’s case was nearly 2 and a half months long. During this time, we endured 18 days of JA’ s testiphony which included a few fake tears, through the veil of her “Cousin IT” hair- LOTS of  graphic sexual talk (I’ve lost count of how many times the words: anal, Astro-glide, KY, Tootsie pops and pop rocks, etc. were uttered. How many times was the sex tape was played? I lost track… We heard how she was the “victim”, how she was only trying to help Travis overcome his desires for little Under-Roo clad boys, we heard how she was conflicted with her “Mormon vows”, etc.  We endured Wurmi’s S L O W questioning- For 18 days, JA did her very best to portray herself as “a good girl, who loved a very bad boy”- Throughout, JA’s frying pan eyes looked to the jury for pity, visually pleading, “are you buying my stories?” And then the juror Q’s seemed to reflect, “Hell no, we don’t.”  

    Then came the schlock Doc, Samuels- we watched him fumble, stagger and fail- and gaze fondly at at JA… I won’t add detail here to all of his pathetic “expert” testimony, no one wants to relive that. 

    Then, for 8 days… We heard La Toilette spout her BIASED, “old fashioned”, stuck firmly in the 70’s, man-hater, “proof” of Travis being an abusive boyfriend, a pedophile, and a two-timing womanizer. We listened to her “trained brain” regurgitate JA’s lies, and recount JA’s fake journal entries as “evidence”!  Again, I won’t expound, because it’s nothing anyone wants to rehear. 

    FINALLY, the defense rests!  They believe they’ve done all that they can do to prove that JA killed Travis in self defense, because she “feared for her life”, as a supposed victim of BWS. I believe it was an epic fail, and they only scored a few minor points.  

    Now, the State’s rebuttal case begins. Time to climb out of the rabbit hole!  It’s Juan’s turn to remind the jurors of the actual facts, and the mountain of evidence that proves JA premeditated the murder of Travis Alexander in cold blood, in a cruel and particularly heinous manner. The State called their 1st rebuttal witness, an ACTUAL expert witness, Dr. DeMarte – (the 1st we’ve seen on the stand! Wahoo!) Dr. DeMarte is only on the stand for (3?) days-  She is professional, very organized and  presents legitimate testing results, and unbiased educated opinions- explained in terms the average laymen can understand-  We begin to have a clearer picture of JA (my personal fog began to lift). Dr. D also manages to get a few things that we had yet to hear in court, heard by the jury- further examples of stalking (hiding behind the Christmas tree), the stolen ring, an email that illustrated JA had fits of rage, etc.  Well done!  

    Perkster’s cross was beyond ridiculous, she actually had the audacity to begin her cross asking Dr. D about her billing hours! That was SO stupid, given that the DT’s 2 expert’s billable hours far and away exceeded Dr. D’s! IMO, Perky’s sophomoric, bitchy cross-  worked well for the State.  Perky was clearly was out of her realm here, her lack of proper research and understanding of the psychological testing demonstrated how inept she is. In an attempt to impeach Dr. D, she presented false information re: Dr. Lenore Walker’s use of her 6 point criteria, BIG mistake! Perky was no match for the well educated, confident Dr. D!

    For TWO plus months- The DT has done nothing but attempt to distract the jury from the actual facts and EVIDENCE in this case. They used their “smoke and mirrors” tactics to try and confuse the jury, and place all blame on the real victim, Travis. 

    Some jury members may be interested in “why” JA committed this horrific atrocity- they may question whether she is a psychopath? Or a Sociopath? Is she actually suffering from PTSD? Does she have ASPD? Or BPD? But IMO, the “why” she did it, is not what the State has to prove in order to secure a Murder 1 verdict. 

    In the end, I hope the jury focuses on this:  Did the Defense prove that JA was a victim of DV? Did they prove that JA feared for her life and had to kill Travis in self defense?  The fact is, the Defense has only offered the testimony of a proven pathological liar’s spoken and written words, an 2 very biased so-called ex experts- WHERE IS THE PROOF?

    By the time the prosecutor concludes the State’s rebuttal and closing arguments, I hope the jury sees that the State has provided more than sufficient evidence that JA is an evil monster that formulated a calculated plan that began with stealing her grandfather’s gun, and ended with Travis Alexander’s slaughtered body in his shower stall.

    *The fact is- even IF JA felt threatened, and felt that she needed to defend herself, it did NOT require her to stab Travis 29 times (9 were in his back), slitting his throat ear to ear, and shooting him in the head, in order for her to save her life.

    So let the fog lift, and let the FACTS and EVIDENCE come back into this trial, then load the needle. 

    • 04/22/2013 at 12:15 am

      Oh, and let’s not forget “edify” and “de-edify”…GAG!

      • Family of Law
        04/22/2013 at 12:50 am

        Lol! I loved de-edify!!! After all, she is AS smart as A.E!

    • Tracey A
      04/22/2013 at 12:22 am

      Amen! Sing it Sister!!!!

      1 – None of us are here are of capable of counting that high re: anal, oral sex, KY, Astroglide, etc. Maybe only Einstein…perhaps we should ask “Jodistein” I’ll be she knows exactly how many times that was mentioned. And only because Wurmi was likely sporting a “woody” each time he got to mention it. And mention it he did….over and over and over again. I keep hearing Wurmi say “Now in regards to the anal sex….blah blah blah”.

      2 – Amen again on Dr. D. Wow! I prepared expert witness. Would expect nothing less of Juan and his choices!!!

      3 – Perky and her ineptness! Well said! Someone said days ago along the lines of Perky is gonna start stamping her foot and throwing a full tantrum. All I heard was “Well, I’m taking my ball and going home! I don’t want to play with you anymore”. Thank the Lord!

      NOTE TO JIM – You may want to add “atrocity”, “audacity” “ridiculous” and “inept or ineptness” to your list if not already on there!

      4 – How is your “new” baby horsey fairing??? A cause very near and dear to my heart. Thank you for what you have done for that Angel Horse!! Please remind me of the name ***hanging head in shame that I can’t remember the name***

      Way to go FoL! Great post!!! ****clapping****

      • Family of Law
        04/22/2013 at 1:06 am

        Hey Tracey:) Thankfully, I was not sipping anything when reading the line, “Wurmi was likely sporting a woody…”!!!!! And the visual of Perky taking her ball home! Exactly how she was behaving- Couple that with her “talking to her neighbor in the classroom” at the defense table- does she realize how that must read to the jury? She and JA are besties! “hey, what are you wearing tomorrow? K, I’ll wear mine too!”

        Do you and Jim not like my 25 cent word choices? I do get carried away! Are you de-edifying my vocab? 😳

        Thanks for asking about our rescue boy- we’ve named him “Soldier Boy”- (I still call him Sweet boy). He’s doing very well! Puting weight on, and healing quicker than we could have hoped. He does not like thunderstorms, which we had quite a few of last week- ironically, he actually does suffer from PTSD! We have decided to keep him, I can’t bare him thinking he wasn’t loved enough to keep forever, so here is where he’ll stay.

      • Jim
        04/22/2013 at 1:23 am

        added 🙂

    • 04/22/2013 at 7:32 am

      Oh, FOL, if only the DT took as long on their case, as you did to recap it!

      • Family of Law
        04/22/2013 at 11:17 am

        Morning WTJ- if only there was a FF button to hit now, that could get to the closing arguments sooner!

  82. 04/21/2013 at 11:52 pm

    Jay :
    CiCi, there were two ‘accidental’ pics, right? The one of Travis’ body, and another of something I think is the shower floor ledge??
    I still don’t understand how the camera was activated to take those pics.. Do you know?

    4 accidental pics

    1. Torso seated
    2. Ceiling
    3. Travis on Floor Bleeding
    4. Shower edge.

  83. 04/22/2013 at 12:04 am

    Jay :
    I like Dr Drew’s show. Better guests (including you know who) and analysis. & Drew diagnosed Arias as BPD weeks ago, and also as a Domestic Terrorist…

    BPD is a PC diagnosis. I would expect someone on a talk show or whatever you want to call his show… to go that line. It is not, however, a complete diagnosis of what she is.

    • NancyB
      04/22/2013 at 12:24 am

      Dr Drew & the psychologists believe she has BPD but they consistently add “with psychopathic features” which is the only MSM that I’ve seen or heard that at least has acknowledged that.

      • 04/22/2013 at 12:32 am

        hmm interesting.. well I dont get the show here so I just have what I read here to go on.. so I comment as stuff comes up… thank you for that infor NancyB 😀

      • 04/22/2013 at 5:10 pm

        I like Dr Drew because I LOVE Adam Carolla! They were great on LiveLine. And I listen to Adam Carolla’s podcasts almost daily and laugh out loud. Dr Drew is often still a guest.

      • 04/22/2013 at 5:11 pm

        **LOVELINE**

  84. NancyB
    04/22/2013 at 12:22 am

    Crystal Harris :
    My boys will be 11 and 9 when he gets out. They were 5 and 2 when this happened and haven’t seen him since. They want nothing to do with him. It’s unbelievable to me that the Family Court Judge went against all recommendations and ordered immediate
    reunification at his release. I had no choice but to Appeal.

    Family Court Judges in San Diego County are notoriously crooked. Some months back I did a lot of reading on this issue and it was a real shocker. It’s well documented.

  85. 04/22/2013 at 1:38 am

    I am far from versed in the psych part but wondering about this. I believe Dr D mentioned something about the killing would be traumatic to JA if it was horrific to her – it obviously has not been as evidenced by her coolness, callousness, lack of remorse, etc. However I wonder how it affects her subconsciousness and her dream life. Is she bothered by any dreams of reliving the event, and/or pre or post? Could her dream state be altered in that she has no control over that? Surely she’s had something occur. Of course I don’t believe there was a fog but wouldn’t slaughtering a person would haunt you in the altered state o sleep? Doubt we will ever know. Hope I’m phrasing my questions correctly.

    • 04/22/2013 at 1:48 am

      Heygirl,

      that depends. Is she without conscience or does she lack conscience. The second indicating there may be a conscience but it is deficient.

      Psychopaths are without conscience. With a Jodiistein close to perfect score on the PCL-R I personally believe she is without.

      • 04/22/2013 at 1:55 am

        Sheesh! Think it is hard to comprehend as I’ve not ever known anyone like this, at least hope so. What percentage of population is in this category?

      • 04/22/2013 at 2:10 am

        it is currently believed to be 1% though much of the data currently available is based on males.

        Raising yet another problem with BPD diagnosis.. many believe it indvertently nets female psychopaths thus cloaking them statistically. That is yet another ongoing contention.

        This could be (and I believe is) such an example and validates the arguments within that debate.

      • 04/22/2013 at 2:25 am

        Perhaps, to reconcile this.. the American system should introduce two subcategories in the DSM.

        ASPD + P and BPD + P if it is so reluctant to allow the category P in its own right.

    • NancyB
      04/22/2013 at 2:05 am

      Does not bother her – not one iota. She’s never lost one moment of sleep over what she did. Zero remorse. Zip.

      • Kathy A.
        04/22/2013 at 6:08 pm

        You’re so right. Among many other telling moments, one thing about JA that really caught my attention was during her interview with Detective Flores where she is asking if Travis’s family has called, and says she feels so bad for them even though she knows their grief is “temporary.” Right there, to say such a thing unmasked her as having not only no conscience, but no comprehension of normal human emotions – no empathy, sympathy, compassion. A blank slate who has to mimic others because she doesn’t feel anything except for how it relates to her satisfaction. No sleep lost there.

  86. NancyB
    04/22/2013 at 1:42 am

    Observer – I have one more that I’d like you to add to your list. Any of her BS statements about *edifying* Travis. LOL

  87. GATEWAY
    04/22/2013 at 1:55 am

    Hi Syn, last night I read an artical about JA & her mom that I think you might be interested in. If you scroll about half way down there are 3 things – 2 about JA and 1 about her mom. It dealt with diagnosing what she has and their body language. it’s drlillianglassbodylanguage
    blog.wordpress.com Let us know what you think. They just reported on CNN that Wurmi & the Perkster are going to be whisked off to South Africa immediately after this trial to defend Oscar Pistorious. Nah, just kidding!!!! They will probably be on Craigslist from now on. I’m seriously goin’ to HELL for that snide remark!!!!

    • 04/22/2013 at 8:43 am

      Gateway, that’s a fair assessment. Also add about the mother, it’s her coping mechanism.

      She doesn’t believe anything Jodi says but her way of coping is to do what she is told likely it always has been. She should be in therapy not attending that court she shows dissociative symptoms and an unwillingness to face the truth of the situation, therefore ends up acting totally inappropriately.

      for those wanting the active link:

      http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/

    • MMD
      04/22/2013 at 9:15 am

      Nah you’re not Gateway – snide is appreciated here!!! 😉

  88. Lisa M
    04/22/2013 at 6:27 am

    Does anyone know anything about the hearing on Friday? I suspect we’ll hear about various mistrial motions from the defense and that there’ll probably be another hearing before court starts tomorrow.

    • Ginger
      04/23/2013 at 2:08 am

      Slurmi is trying to add heat of passion into the defense now.

  89. 04/22/2013 at 7:13 am

    Need help plse from anyone good with dates and timelines….

    1) when and who had their tyres slashed?

    2) When did skye Hughes and a group of friends tell Jodi exactly what they thought of her and ask her to leave the house but left and came back almost immediately and sat for about 15 mins at the kitchen table watching them all?

    Any clarification would be appreciated. Thankyou.

    • Schaeffer
      04/22/2013 at 8:48 am

      Tires were slashed on Travis’s car on about 6 Dec 07 and again on 7 Dec (next night). The second night, the tires on Lisa’s car were slashed as well. They called for police but they didn’t come. Even though there was not a report filed, the call requesting them to come was verified. Lisa Andrews received the e-mail on 8 Dec 07. Do you have the text or do you need it?

      I’m still looking for the “get out you evil bitch!” incident. It may be difficult to locate because it was discussed on a talk show, not in court.

    • 04/22/2013 at 9:29 am

      The car belonged to Lisa Andrews. I can’t provide a date for you. Someone else will hopefully be able to provide a date.
      JA was thrown out/ asked to leave the Hugh’s home in 2007. I don’t have a specific month. Hopefully this is helpful to you Syn.

    • 04/22/2013 at 9:50 am

      thanks you two much appreciated 😀

  90. MMD
    04/22/2013 at 9:13 am

    Morning all. I am sooooooo far behind in comments that I may not even bother to get caught up. Had my head under a pillow with a migraine but the plus side of that is I was FORCED to eat a couple of containers of Haagen-Dazs ice-cream!!! Forced because it was the only thing that appealed to me so that’s my story and I’m sticking to it!!! 😀

    So anybody around????? and what did I miss????? *********waves****** to all! 🙂

    • 04/22/2013 at 5:16 pm

      Hi MMD…your absence was noted…at least by me. 🙂 Sorry you had a migraine. I do the exact same thing when I have a migraine…head under a pillow. I have an old soft down pillow that I wrap around my head as tightly as possible leaving just enough room to breathe. Have you ever tried a nerve block? I’m considering one.

  91. MMD
    04/22/2013 at 9:22 am

    Family of Law – how is Sweet Boy doing? I kept thinking about him as I was curled up with my babies!!! I’m so glad that you are keeping him after all the trauma he’s gone through.

    Even though all my babies have wonderful names, they are still called Mama’s baby boy\girl the majority of the time.

    • Family of Law
      04/22/2013 at 10:11 am

      G’morning MMD- I’m so sorry about the migraine taking you down for the count! I think you self medicated quite well, Haagen Dazs should be considered OTC meds! Don’t risk bringing on another migraine getting caught up… Rest up for Tuesday’s action.
      “Sweet Boy” is doing really well, he has made a good friend- a “soon to be Mamma” barn cat found her way to us last week, and she likes to crawl under his stall door and curl up in his straw, and he seems quite happy bout it. (I suspect that this time of year, there are “Kitty Billboards” along the road side that read “Free food and shelter for pregnant cats” with an arrow that points to our place!).

      • MMD
        04/22/2013 at 10:36 am

        Awe that’s just soooooooooo precious FOL!!!! Gives me a nice warm feeling 🙂 Ya know what they say about strange bedfellows……. You’re truly doing God’s work since there are so many times when I PREFER animals over humans – actually most days 😆

  92. MMD
    04/22/2013 at 9:27 am

    Donchais – Good Morning! 😀 Have the students attending The School of Donchais been behaving themselves over the weekend while I was MIA. I hope you were able to take a break and get out in the nice weather and not stuck keeping us protected from trolls!!!

    {{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}} for all you do for us darlin’!!! I hope you realize how much you are appreciated 🙂

  93. MMD
    04/22/2013 at 9:38 am

    I just went to Amazon to check on ALV’s book and the comments have jumped to 1,194. WOW 😯 She really has committed career suicide and I must say, it looks good on her as she brought it on herself!!!

    • 04/22/2013 at 9:46 am

      Thanks for checking the Amazon site MMD. I meant to do so yesterday but got distracted and didn’t follow up. I was curious whether the momentum would continue and it sounds like it has.

      • MMD
        04/22/2013 at 10:06 am

        Morning Lisa and Syn 🙂 I need the Coles Notes version of what I missed!

    • 04/22/2013 at 9:53 am

      ya that’s good news!!! thanks MMD!! 😀

      • MMD
        04/22/2013 at 10:07 am

        wanna bet that Dr. Quack will NOT be writing a book now????

      • 04/22/2013 at 10:09 am

        LOLOL!!!! goooooood point!!!!

  94. 04/22/2013 at 10:11 am

    Syntara :
    Heygirl,
    that depends. Is she without conscience or does she lack conscience. The second indicating there may be a conscience but it is deficient.
    Psychopaths are without conscience. With a Jodiistein close to perfect score on the PCL-R I personally believe she is without.

    Syn,

    Is it possible that she has no conscience about the killing, because she truly believes she did nothing wrong? I know she told 2 diff stories before settling on the self-defense story, but I think I read from earlier posts that sociopaths tend to act as if there is nothing wrong with their behavior, and if YOU don’t understand where they are coming from, then that’s on YOU! Could she truly believe this story that she’s telling?

    • 04/22/2013 at 10:32 am

      I believe she is BPD+P or ASPD+P ..to me the most important is the P – which means she has no conscience.

      Having no conscience is in no way deluded. Very different things. It’s hard for those of us with a conscience to understand that people can have no conscience at all.

      What you seem to be describing is a lack of conscience.. ie there is one but it is diminished. Sociopaths have this (ASPD).

      As for does she believe it. In her twisted way she probably does believe it yes. At the same time she is well aware there is something very different about her than everyone else so in that way no she doesn’t believe it. No doubt she wants to believe it.

      My take is she knows exactly what she is doing and to hell with everyone else she does it anyway. To me it’s that simple. Psychopaths live for one thing and one thing only – self gratification on all levels. They play a game with every situation they are faced with and they intend to win each and every game, set and match.

      • 04/22/2013 at 11:59 am

        Ah! I see. Yes, it is hard to believe that a person can have no conscience, but the more I see of JA, the more I can understand what you psychologist’s mean when you say she is a true case study! That last paragraph sums her up completely, and at the same time, it gives me chills. Thanks for ‘tying me kangaroo down, sport!’

  95. 04/22/2013 at 10:14 am

    Schaeffer :
    Tires were slashed on Travis’s car on about 6 Dec 07 and again on 7 Dec (next night). The second night, the tires on Lisa’s car were slashed as well. They called for police but they didn’t come. Even though there was not a report filed, the call requesting them to come was verified. Lisa Andrews received the e-mail on 8 Dec 07. Do you have the text or do you need it?
    I’m still looking for the “get out you evil bitch!” incident. It may be difficult to locate because it was discussed on a talk show, not in court.

    Schaeffer….what is this about a “…get out you evil bitch” incident?

    • 04/22/2013 at 10:39 am

      This is the incident where she was at the Hughes’ house. Apparently asking why nobody liked her and why she wasn’t welcome at the house…..or something like that from memory. There was a few ppl there and they told her in no uncertain terms what they thought of her. Enough to make any normal feeling person run to their car sobbing. Jodistein apparently got up walked out.. then came in a side entrance to the kitchen and calmly sat at the kitchen table just watching them all.

      Seems everyone there just totally creeped out and couldn’t believe she did that after being told she was an evil biatch and none of them could stand her, that’s why she wasn’t welcome.

      If someone has a different take on this feel free to chime in cos I’m only stating this from bits I’ve picked up on here and if this needs clarification plse offer it up!

      • Anonymous
        04/22/2013 at 11:50 am

        Oh right!

      • 04/22/2013 at 11:53 am

        oh right!

      • Schaeffer
        04/22/2013 at 11:57 am

        Minor point, but I don’t think she actually left the house and re-entered, she just moved from the living room to the kitchen/dining room to stare at one of the two adult women as she prepared mac and cheese for the kids.

  96. stephanie
    04/22/2013 at 10:50 am

    The eye photo bugs me, have any of you really looks at yourself in that kind of a reflection? Shouldn’t it be kind of like a fun house effect? The reflection should be distorted and not exactly like the what that guy had drawn on the eyeball of Travis.

  97. Schaeffer
    04/22/2013 at 12:01 pm

    Is it possible to tell if WOBO used a flash taking the shower photos? If so, did she use it for some and not on others? Could she have used a flash to temporarily “blind” Travis right before she stabbed him the first time?

    • 04/22/2013 at 12:07 pm

      Interesting I meant to ask Chrissie about this. Cos that last shot of his face is really the only really well lit one.

      Chrissie when you are around plse answer us!!!

      • 04/22/2013 at 12:13 pm

        nah thats right I dismissed it.. cos there’s too much time between the face shot and what she described in court as the ‘inadvertent ‘ torso seated shot. That’s right I remember now.
        its about 70 seconds. A flash blind wouldn’t last that long she would have had to have been faster to take advantage of that surely?

  98. Jay
    04/22/2013 at 12:07 pm

    recap camera & last photo sequence:

    Syntara :

    4 accidental pics
    1. Torso seated
    2. Ceiling
    3. Travis on Floor Bleeding
    4. Shower edge.

    Actually 3 accidental pics.
    The photo you list at #1 shows Travis alive, seated in the shower and staring mournfully at the camera – this the eye-enhancement photo so much discussed.

    These are the 3 accidental photos with timestamps:
    June 4th timestamp: 5:31:14 bathroom ceiling (exhibit 161)

    June 4th timestamp: 5:32:16 Travis on the floor bleeding (exhibit 162)

    June 4th timestamp: 5:33:13 Baseboard with blood on it (exhibit 163)

    NancyB :
    Jay, what’s the make and model of the camera? I have never understood clearly how the unintentional pics happened. Last night I listened to the testimony from both the State’s expert & the defense’s on this very issue and I have no more clarity now then before.
    Juan did get one of the expert’s to admit that with the camera upside down that by kicking the top of the camera would cause the button to be depressed and a picture would be taken. He had the guy demonstrate this but not by kicking the camera but just by pressing he palm across the upside down camera. The guy said that the button depressed very easily with almost no pressure and you could audibly hear the camera click as if a picture was taken.

    NancyB– The camera is a Sony Cyber-shot DSC-H9,
    Here’s a link to a page that shows what It looks like, in four different views.

    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/H9/H9A.HTM

    On the Websluths blog I found comments from people familiar with the camera that may answer some of the questions about how those accidental photos may (or may not) have been taken. I’d give the link here, but I don’t know if that will send this comment to ‘mod’ purgatory, so I’ll paste it here (if you want the link I’ll post as a reply):

    One question asked: is it possible the camera has feature that would allow it to automatically snap those accidental photos without pressing the button.

    The answer was no, the irregular time-stamps on the photos don’t support this feature. He says: “TA is sitting on the floor of the shower stall at the time she takes the last facial portrait, 5:29:20. At 5:30:30 the last photo of TA looking alive and unharmed depicts him from the shoulder down, still sitting in a relaxed position, with his right leg crossed over his left, his right arm out-stretched and resting on his right knee. So, there’s 1 minute and 10 seconds between those two photos. The next photo occurs 44 seconds later, of the bathroom ceiling, presumably when the camera fell. All the intervals are of different or odd time frames – nothing consistent to imply that timing was intentional.
    I’d also like to point out that JA is left handed and so was TA. If she switched to a knife to kill TA then she’d be in a very awkward position to begin stabbing him from the left since his body was facing to the right. The gun would make more sense. Either way, if after the last photo of TA sitting at rest on the floor of the shower she initiated the attack, dropping the camera so she could switch to a weapon makes sense.
    Also, the shutter button on the camera is raised slightly and hair triggered for quick response so bumping against anything will cause it to go off. I really don’t think she meant for those last three photos to go off – I do believe that was all inadvertently caused by the ensuing struggles.
    Quote:

    ANOTHER REPLY:
    “Yes, I think it still had to be in her right hand or right as she was dropping it. From the necessary angle with the lens facing up and forward from her, she would have to have flipped the camera back in her hand from the natural camera holding position. I think it’s possible that happened as she started to stand up and go into her attack, concentrating her attention on her left hand with the knife she pulled from her pants or whatever top she had. As she was concentrating on the knife, she would be ignoring the camera hand and the camera moved positions in her hand or that she fumbled it and as it was dropping from her hand, she contacted the shutter hard enough to depress it. After it dropped, it was was later kicked down the hall, landing upside down with the shutter next to the floor, and was kicked or bumped with enough force to depress the shutter two more times.”

    • 04/22/2013 at 12:16 pm

      NO Jay.. the one that attaches to that head shot.. the torso shot.. she even said in court it was ‘inadvertent” I believe it’s the first of the inadvertent shots.

      1. 5:30:30
      2. 5:31:14
      3. 5:32:16
      4. 5:33:13

      • 04/22/2013 at 12:17 pm

        oops 4. 5:33:32

      • 04/22/2013 at 12:19 pm

        The head shot with the pupil ninjas is 5:29:20 it’s the 5th from the end.

      • Jay
        04/22/2013 at 2:13 pm

        OK… my eyes are getting blurry looking at the numbers. Here’s a sequential layout of the shower photos:

        http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13910.700

        The 5:29:20 pic is the eye-enhancement head shot,
        5:30:30 shows part of his arm.
        5:31:14 shows what appears to be his knee.
        Like most of the shower photos the arm and knee pics show Arias was a lousy photographer and didn’t know how to use the camera properly.

        But none of the above three pics are the ‘accidental’ photos taken when or after the camera was dropped.

        The accidental pics were taken at 5:32:16 and 5:33:32

        The killing took place between 5:31:14 and 5:32:16, when the first accidental pic was taken. Then, another 76 seconds later the last ‘accidental’ pic taken.

        What she was doing during those 76 seconds doesn’t matter that much at this point.She admitted killing him. But the complexity of erasing photos from that camera shows she wasn’t in a PTSD fog: more like a stupidity fog for not knowing erased photos from a memory stick are recoverable.

    • 04/22/2013 at 3:01 pm

      Kay ~~ I was wondering regarding your comment of the direction Travis was facing in the shower and JA ready to strike she testified she is ambidextrous so she could have used her right hand to stab in the chest. With her left she would be at the wrong angle. What is your opinion???

    • 04/22/2013 at 3:02 pm

      Jay ~~ I was wondering regarding your comment of the direction Travis was facing in the shower and JA ready to strike she testified she is ambidextrous so she could have used her right hand to stab in the chest. With her left she would be at the wrong angle. What is your opinion???

  99. 04/22/2013 at 12:28 pm

    NancyB

    Assuming the camera was not still around her neck, which by the angles of the last 2 inadvertent shots I don’t think it could have been. (refer Chrissie on this) When she was dragging him to the shower it’s possible it got dragged along with him and her moving him at certain angles allowed the shots to be taken.

    That’s a possibility along with the kicking. I would have thought if she kicked it she would have moved it though… ie actually picked it up and moved it.. but she could have been so fixated on getting him back to the shower that it was outside her perception at the time.

  100. Nienna
    04/22/2013 at 12:31 pm

    Syntara :
    Need help plse from anyone good with dates and timelines….
    1) when and who had their tyres slashed?
    2) When did skye Hughes and a group of friends tell Jodi exactly what they thought of her and ask her to leave the house but left and came back almost immediately and sat for about 15 mins at the kitchen table watching them all?
    Any clarification would be appreciated. Thankyou.

    Syn,
    Not sure on the date but I know it was in 2007. Holly Mefford told the story about this and It was posted a few days ago that she and her husband have been added as witnesses for the rebuttal case. They are also the ones that provide the video of JA laying in TA’s lap as he told the story about being held at gun point.

    • 04/22/2013 at 12:35 pm

      oooo Holly Mefford?? isn’t she one of the ones added to the rebuttal witness list recently?

      • 04/22/2013 at 12:36 pm

        hahah yah you said it.. I just re-read your post.. thanks! So I might get answers when they testify. Excellent!

      • Nienna
        04/22/2013 at 12:38 pm

        Also, here’s the video of the story. She gives no date but Chris Hughes has stated she was no longer welcome in their home as of 2007.

        http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/03/05/new-exclusive-jodi-and-travis-video

      • 04/22/2013 at 12:47 pm

        ohhh thanks so much for that, Nienna 🙂

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/22/2013 at 12:38 pm

      There should be a Boob Tube video of their interview on Dr. Drew where the Mefford’s talked about this incident. They may have given a timeframe because it was his wife who was in the kitchen when JA came in from outside and sat at the table watching her.

      • Nienna
        04/22/2013 at 12:39 pm

        Just attached above.

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/22/2013 at 12:40 pm

        They’re also on the rebuttal list. We’re thinking they will be asked about this incident to prove her confrontational behavior.

      • Nienna
        04/22/2013 at 12:41 pm

        As well as point out that TA was not hiding her in public. Goes against her “dirty little secret” BS!

  101. 04/22/2013 at 12:58 pm

    Nienna :
    Also, here’s the video of the story. She gives no date but Chris Hughes has stated she was no longer welcome in their home as of 2007.

    Good Golly Gosh.. wtf is with her.. (rhetorical 😛 ) oh and we see where she got the ninja story of her “miraculous escape”!!!!

    Yep and Holly says what i thought of .. that any normal person would run sobbing to their car.

    All this just proves .. she’s a full blown psycho! Unfreakinbeleeeeevable!

    Again, Thanks for the link again Nienna

    • Nienna
      04/22/2013 at 1:03 pm

      Yup. Your welcome.

  102. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/22/2013 at 1:09 pm

    Nienna :
    As well as point out that TA was not hiding her in public. Goes against her “dirty little secret” BS!

    Oh…..that’s right! They have that video that shows her out in a group setting with him. By the way….if they’re on the rebuttal list how can they be appearing on TV when other witnesses have been forbidden to give interviews and talk to the media??? Anybody know anything about how this works. TA’s friend was made to leave the courtroom because the DT was going to call him as a witness to show the video of TA shooting guns…..however we just think this was a ploy just to keep him quiet since he announced to the media that TA didn’t own a gun which goes against the Duh-fence claims.

    • Nienna
      04/22/2013 at 1:23 pm

      They were not subpeonaed at the time. Now that they are, they can do any interviews, etc.

      • Nienna
        04/22/2013 at 1:32 pm

        Haha… CAN’T DO

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/22/2013 at 1:36 pm

        Ohhhhh…..o tay!

    • Observer
      04/22/2013 at 1:25 pm

      CiCi, witnesses can’t speak to the media or watch the trial when they are under subpoena. The Medfords didn’t get the subpoena to testify in the rebuttal case until recently. Dave Hall spoke to the media and was in the courtroom until Nurmi asked for a subpoena for the picture Hall gave to HLN showing Travis shooting a gun. Martinez asked for a subpoena for Hall to testify in the rebuttal case that Travis did not own a gun. Nurmi objected saying Hall had attended the trial and the judge said unless he was under a subpoena he could attend the trial. But she asked him to leave the courtroom now he was under subpoena. Hall left and hasn’t been in the courtroom or on TV since.

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/22/2013 at 1:39 pm

        Thanks for the explanation! We got a little off track with all this legal stuff. Throws us for a loop sometimes and makes us look at each other saying….whaaaat….whaaaat….whaaat???!! We’re grounded again….Thanx!!

  103. Jay
    04/22/2013 at 2:17 pm

    WildAboutTrial broke his ankle!

    Say’s he’s still gonna be tweeting from court tomorrow.. but may have to borrow Nurmi’s recliner 🙂

    • Jay
      04/22/2013 at 2:18 pm

      Not a joke… he really broke it…

  104. Nienna
    04/22/2013 at 2:23 pm

    LOL… Except for #6

  105. hottopic08
    04/22/2013 at 2:42 pm

    I just listened to the jury questions for Dr. DeMarte again, and I am convinced they (at least the ones that asked questions) are not buying that JA suffers from BWS or PTSD. There was not ONE single juror question to Dr. D regarding BWS, to me this is very telling. It was also asked if Dr. D knew whose handwriting was on the DPS answer sheet, and if she saw any issues with Dr. Fog filling out the answer sheet and summarizing the answers on section 2, and that was followed up by: If it caused any concern for her regarding the validity of the test that the written answers appear to be answered by someone who is familiar with physiological verbiage and not in layman’s verbiage. This question was a message that they are not considering this tests validity and believe Dr. Fog manipulated that test. Thoughts?

  106. Nienna
    04/22/2013 at 2:56 pm

    New video of Travis posted by Chris Hughes

  107. Nienna
    04/22/2013 at 3:00 pm

    Greeeaaat…. Defense filed a motion and there will be a surrebuttal. Now we have to listen to their crap again!!

    • truejustice
      04/22/2013 at 3:04 pm

      Ug..saw that too. Some buzz on the net says it might be that “Carp” person Willmott mentioned.

      • HJ Madison
        04/22/2013 at 3:50 pm

        Back in August 25, 2011 Defense got another continuance because a Defense witness had to be replaced due to health reasons and could not testify at trial. I seem to recall reading somewhere this was Dr. Carp. Anyone recall when LaLa said she got involved?

    • Katie
      04/22/2013 at 3:04 pm

      they also want to add a new charge of heat of passion!!!

      • truejustice
        04/22/2013 at 3:14 pm

        Is that part of the Defendants requested Jury instructions … something they want to be considered. I know if they find her guilty of burglary , but not premed they have to consider m2 etc. Would that fit in there or consideration for another defense ? ie : if you don’t believe battered women consider heat of passion ?

      • truejustice
        04/22/2013 at 3:21 pm

        for “Heat of Passion” per “http://definitions.uslegal.com/h/heat-of-passion/”
        Heat of passion is a criminal defendant’s excuse for lacking the premeditation element of a crime due to sudden anger or heartbreak. The defense is usually raised in murder or attempted murder cases, when a spouse or lover finds his/her partner sexually involved with another and shoots or stabs one or both of the coupled pair. To successfully raise the defense, the defendant must have acted immediately after the provocation, without time to “cool off”. If the element of premediation is eliminated, the charges may be lessened from provable homicide to manslaughter with no death penalty and limited prison terms. The impassioned defendant may even be acquitted.

        I see a couple of issues there: First she knew he was seeing other women for an extended period of time and according to her testimony she was “fine ” with that — didn’t she even say happy for him or something stupid like that. Second if she wants the “sudden anger” element – the jury would have to believe that TA attacked her that day – something to trigger her “sudden” anger or aggression. The heat of passion element doesn’t apply cause she suddenly goes off her rocker and explodes.

        I’m no lawyer but that almost seems to invalidate her whole testimony ?? thoughts anyone

      • Nienna
        04/22/2013 at 3:26 pm

        Yup! Just another story for her book. Hopefully the Judge says Ms. Arias, you can’t have it both ways!!

    • 04/22/2013 at 3:13 pm

      Nienna~~ would you please enlighten me re: surrebuttal??

      • Nienna
        04/22/2013 at 3:14 pm

        Rebuttal to the rebuttal.

      • Nienna
        04/22/2013 at 3:15 pm

        They will call witness to try to debunk Dr. D most likely.

    • TexiBelle
      04/22/2013 at 7:31 pm

      Every time they have a second go at something they don’t even clarify anything–they just use the time to re-iterate everything they already said, and no one believed the first time. I wish the judge would shut them down on this.

  108. hottopic08
    04/22/2013 at 3:02 pm

    Looks like the defense has filed for a Surrebuttle! Who in the world could they possibly be calling? https://twitter.com/Just_Me1965/status/326401622769033217/photo/1

    • Katie
      04/22/2013 at 3:05 pm

      i’m sure it’s for DR D

      • hottopic08
        04/22/2013 at 3:07 pm

        Well I say good luck with that!

      • Nienna
        04/22/2013 at 3:13 pm

        Ditto hottopic08!!

    • Jay
      04/22/2013 at 4:08 pm

      Defense also requested lesser charge be available for jury instructions, below murder-2, something about crime committed in heat of passion. HLN commentator says it’s standard procedure for defense to do that around this time of the trial.

      The HLN commentator (forgot her name; she’s an Arizona lawyer) says the lesser charge request will likely be included, but the surrebuttle witness request is doubtful unless there’s some really compelling reason for the judge to agree to it.

      • 04/22/2013 at 7:45 pm

        Good Grief…Judge Stephens gives the Defense Team whatever else they want, why not this. I’m quickly becoming fedup with this Judge!

  109. NancyB
    04/22/2013 at 3:18 pm

    Chris Stark ‏@stark3923 20 Apr

    Hollie AND Jacob Mefford New Witness ADDED VIDEO:

    … VIDEO: http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/03/05/new-exclusive-jodi-and-travis-video

  110. NancyB
    04/22/2013 at 3:21 pm

    Syn, I posted the 2 video links for Jacob Medford but they are in moderation! Here’s Hollie’s statement on what occurred in Sky’s home. This interchange happened in early 2007

    Chris Stark ‏@stark3923 19 Apr

    MUST READ #JodiArias Accosted Chris Hughes wife SKYE Hughes. As told by a first hand witness as Sky is on (cont) http://tl.gd/n_1rjd0s4

  111. jad
    04/22/2013 at 3:51 pm

    Almost immediately after the same caliber weapon that would be used to kill Travis Alexander supposedly disappeared from her home, on May 28th, 2008, (where she was living with her grandparents) Jody Arias decided to take a trip (although it is clear form her actions she had been planning this trip [or a variant of it] for some time). The trip would have started at the residence where she was then staying with her grandparents, in the northern California town of Yreka, in Siskiyou County. Nonetheless, she had decided not to use the car rental agency less than two miles from her residence (at 1275 South Main Street). The Enterprise Rent-A-Car (in Yreka) was four minutes down the street next to an entrance to the I-5. Hertz Rent-A-car was six minutes away [at 1409 South Main Street] and 1.8 miles distance from the grandparents’ residence. Yet, she also chose not to use that rental car agency either.

    At the time that Jodi Arias decided to travel a distance to use an [out-of-county] rental car agency, it was well-known that certain of these leasing agencies had installed new systems in their rental vehicles, described as a Global Positioning System, but usually referred to by the initials for the term, which was “GPS”. This would have been openly discussed in both the Northern and Southern California regions where meth, ecstasy, and cocaine were regularly transported, and it has been established elsewhere that the drug runners would avoid using any vehicle that was known to contain a GPS device. It is possible that Jodi Arias was trying to avoid detection in her pre-planned journey to the location of the residence of Travis Alexander [in Mesa, Arizona], because she possessed knowledge of this fact.

    She was a waitress, and she would have heard rumors and scuttlebutt from her customers. She picked up on all sorts of odd conversations she could put to use. For instance, she had used information from one of her customers to contact her first love, Bobby, whom she had NOT spoken with in a couple of years. The information was about the second coming (that came about from a translation of Scripture), and she used that information to her advantage. So, she might have heard from any one or more of her customers how drugs were [manufactured or] transported in that neck of the woods. Originally, people had used their own vehicles to transport product from one location to another. However, once it was realized just how easy it was for the government to act to confiscate the vehicles being used, the drug runners turned to leased vehicles or rentals for their business dealings. This worked out well because the vehicles could be changed-out on a whim. This made it harder for surveillance, which was a boon for the drug runner.

    Earlier in that decade, rental agencies had announced they would be adding a tracking device to their rentals. This was a different device from the Global Positioning System that was being offered the customers or clients of the rental car agency, that would be billed an extra charge when renting a vehicle. A problem arose when [out of nowhere] a GPS was [permanently] installed in the rental vehicles. Within a short while, it was decided the intrusion was an invasion of privacy, and the rental car companies were taken to Court. Shortly after suing these companies, an agreement was reached by the lawyers representing all sides. It was agreed that certain companies would no longer order the installation of a GPS in their vehicles, and if a vehicle had a factory installed GPS, the renter had to be forewarned. If the customer wanted a vehicle with a GPS, one could be provided at extra cost. All parties were happy.

    Because Jodi Arias had a family that was in the restaurant business and she, herself, had worked around restaurants all her life, she would have had to have heard that restaurants were a good way to launder the proceeds made from a trade such as drug running. While most restaurant owners were not involved in washing the profit of a criminal enterprise through a legitimate business, this was a practice, and a person in that particular business in that area [or other hot areas] would naturally know of this. With this knowledge of one part of the trade, there would be knowledge of other parts. One in particular was the method used to avoid detection when on a run. That was to use a vehicle without GPS. Since rentals and leased vehicles had become the way to move product, the person in charge of the transportation would have had to clear the vehicle of any tracking device or other technology that could give away the business route. Plus, it was necessary that the vehicle would have to be cleared because it had gotten around that it would have been easier for the government to get a search warrant for a vehicle from a rental agency than that owned by an individual. Jodi Arias could have overheard a customer discuss this matter.

    This might have been the reason for using the Budget Car Rental Agency in a City (of Redding) in another county (of Shasta) over one hundred miles in distance away, rather than the Enterprise entity closer to her home, in the same county where she lived and worked. From 352 Pine Street (in Yreka) to 6751 Woodrum Circle (in Redding), it is a distance of one hundred and five miles, and a traveling time of one hour and forty-four minutes (mainly south on the I-5). Additionally, it has been reported that she turned down a certain make and model of rental car before accepting a more benign choice. It was known that automobile companies had started to include a [factory installed] GPS in certain-select vehicles that were being manufactured. It appears she could have chosen this other vehicle for transportation [upon exchange] based on her knowledge of vehicles that had a factory installed GPS.

    On the Budget Rent-A-Car receipt, an exchange of one vehicle had been documented. The number for that vehicle was 01459032, with an exchange date and time of June 2, 2008 at 08:35 [A.M.]. Instead, she was charged for a vehicle numbered 05008706 (from Group A), with the rental starting on June 2, 2008, at 08:04 [A.M.]. Likewise, her RA Document retained the same accounting number of 330589943. So, it is very clear from this receipt that her original rental vehicle was not found acceptable and exchanged immediately. (There was no mention as to whether this vehicle had a GPS, but that should be examined.) She had an unlimited mileage charge for her rented vehicle, and did not have to worry about extra fees creeping up on her since previous class action suits had put an end to the company’s monitoring of its customers (through tracking devices and surveillance technology).

    When Jodi Arias first rented her vehicle from the Budget Rent-A-Car (in Redding), she expected to return the vehicle on June 6, 2008, at 08:15 [A.M.]. However, the due-in date and time were both changed (to June 7, 2008, at 09:30 [A.M.]), and the vehicle was ultimately returned June 7, 2008, at 13:08 [01:08 P.M.]. The estimated rental charge of $155.98, plus a daily fee of $9.00 for a loss damage waiver, with combined taxes of 20.86% had been modified to become $233.97 on her MasterCard billing statement. In addition, the billing statement had a charge of $40.25 from a Hilltop Valero ([Q17] in Redding) that appears to be for filling the tank of her rental vehicle prior to bringing the vehicle back to the Redding rental business where she had rented the white Ford Focus she had driven for six days [at either the $167.93 weekly charge or the $23.99 daily charge, with an additional $12.00 hourly fee].

    There are indeed problems with the details concerning the rental of a vehicle from a business that was in a location over one hundred miles from her residence. It is possible the Jury needs more or else this part of a showing of premeditation would not count. Right now, there seems to be too much confusion about the rental of this vehicle, and there remain too many unanswered questions. If the Homicide Investigators had spoken to Detectives investigating drug running, there could have been clarification of the basis for the choice of the agency selected to rent a vehicle for a planned (almost week-long) journey throughout four States (of California, Arizona, Nevada, and Utah). The reason for the rental could have been made clear.

    A Detective familiar with the movement of drugs and contraband on the freeways and interstates in California could have provided essential information about the reason the front plate would have been removed and the reasoning used when flipping the license plate in the back of the vehicle to an upside down position to avoid detection — by license plate recognition cameras or other type of surveillance cameras. If not given the opportunity to put a Detective on the stand to testify about this particular matter, it is possible that a cellmate familiar with running drugs could add material information about using certain rental car agencies and the reason for the manipulation of the license plates on a rental vehicle. With the wrap up by the defense, and the prosecution lining up the witnesses for rebuttal, this might be the appropriate time for anyone who would want to chime in, to comment about possibilities that have not been discussed or might be thought of as more appropriate for use in a way that was not examined.

  112. jad
    04/22/2013 at 3:57 pm

    A July 17, 2007 article in the BBC News, titled “Met Given Real Time C-Charge Data”, described the manner that London’s Congestion-Charge Cameras give live access to the Police for tracking purposes of ALL vehicles, using Automatic Number Plate Recognition (“ANPR”) technology. [Although found to be an invasion of privacy rights] the tracking of all vehicles [by the Tfl camera network] has continued because of the perceived threats to the homeland. As a matter of fact, ALL car movements throughout ALL of Great Britain can be tracked, and this data is stored for two years. This article was written almost one year before Jodi Arias committed a brutal murder that had all the signs of being premeditated. If you would like to read this 2007 article, it can be linked here http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6902543.stm

    Automated Number Plate Reading (“ANPR”) technology is also here in the United States of America and the several States of the Union. Due to differences in language, Great Britain’s reference to “number plates” is denoted “LICENSE PLATES” in the States. This American designation has become a part of several different terms, such as Automatic License Plate Reader/Recognition (“ALPR”), Automatic Vehicle Identification (“AVI”), Car Plate Recognition (“CPR”), and License Plate Recognition (“LPR”). This technology uses a surveillance camera to record license plate numbers of vehicles. Wikipedia identifies a purpose for the use of surveillance cameras in the ALPR systems to be that “the US collect[s] (and can indefinitely store) data from each license plate capture. Images, dates, times and GPS coordinates can be stockpiled and can help place a suspect at a scene, aid in witness identification, pattern recognition or the tracking of individuals”. In addition, the State of Arizona is one State named, that seems to have an active participation in the system, of which “insurance companies are helping to fund the purchase of ALPR systems for their local law enforcement agencies”.

    The strategic advantage of ALPR is the ability to derive intelligence from historical data. Mobile and static ALPR cameras are data collection points, which are consolidated into the intelligence database repository, and can be stored for a matter of months to several years. Using this information, investigators employ data analysis to solve crimes simply and effectively. License plate readers are constantly evolving and currently can capture plate numbers on four lanes of a highway [or thoroughfare] with traffic proceeding at up to 150 miles per hour. These captured images can then be translated [by a machine] into digital data, based on a license plate number. If a camera has captured the plate number of a vehicle, an agency (or Police Department) can determine the approximate location of the vehicle simply by entering the license plate number to search the database for that specific license plate number.

    For Syntara and Robert in Rotterdam — Your locations have not been left out, as these cameras are currently being used in Australia and the Netherlands, as well as some other Countries, for speed limit enforcement.

    The Wikipedia article (for Automatic Number Plate Recognition) has identified the State of California and shows a picture that details it as belonging to a roadway in Orange County. Those highways in this State [where Jodi Arias had rented a vehicle in June of 2008 and turned her back license plate upside down, after removing the front plate] are on the FasTrak system, which uses ANPR and radio transponders. Also of interest is the statement that “States with rear-only license plates have an additional challenge since a forward-looking camera is ineffective with incoming traffic”. In addition, since the recognition system is calibrated to read specific fonts with a set placement of characters and spaces, [the character segmentation of] a license plate that is positioned in an upside down arrangement would basically be unreadable by the surveillance cameras in California’s ANPR system. Moreover, the fact that the front plate is not attached would completely circumvent the system.

    There is a built-in level of inaccuracy that seems to be accepted. And, one of the difficulties that is recognized is that a person could use “circumvention techniques” or obscure part of the license plate, with dirt for example. Thus, when Jodi Arias removed the front license plate and turned the back license plate upside down, she acted deliberately to circumvent a system that could detect her movements. Since she also rented a vehicle that did not have a Global Positioning System (“GPS”), this further demonstrated her knowledge of the existence and use of these tracking systems.

    Rental car companies have been using GPS technology to monitor where customers drive their cars and how fast they are driving. At one time, these rental car companies were actually slapping their customers with fees if the GPS device determined they were speeding. In effect, they were fining customers, even if the highway patrol didn’t catch the scofflaw. Additionally, the rental car companies were using the GPS to monitor the movements of the vehicles and charging the renter of the vehicle for entering another State or driving into a vacation area that had been marked with a higher price for the rental. It caused a certain amount of blowback that was remedied after several class action lawsuits had been filed.

    Most people running drugs had stopped using their own vehicles because of the stringent criminal laws that had been put in effect that would allow the State to instantly confiscate the vehicle used when involved with transporting drugs or contraband. In order to protect one of their assets, drug runners had turned to using other modes of transporting their product. In the majority of instances, it seems that they found rental cars to be a perfect means of transportation of drugs — especially in rural areas where tourists were known to take drives off the beaten path and the city where people were driving more leased cars than owned.

    California was also notorious for the volume of cars that were reported stolen. This interfered with the choice of rental vehicles because the national companies started to put tracking devices in the vehicles. These tracking devices acted on the same technology as a GPS. Any rental agency that was known to buy their vehicles with a GPS manufactured with the vehicle or hire companies to tie-in a tracking device after the manufacture of the vehicle was avoided. It was known that these devices could be used to trace the itinerary after the fact and could locate the actual destination. It was also known that Police Officers could talk their way into receiving this information from the rental car agency without bothering to get a warrant.

    This knowledge was passed around in order that associates could avoid a business transaction with a car rental agency that rented vehicles installed with the new technology that could interfere with their activity. Not only was it a threat while they were in action but the threat was there even after the fact because of the willingness of the rental agencies to give up their records without the need for Law Enforcement to get Subpoenas or warrants for incriminating information. This has been known for quite some time. In the gritty depictions of South Central L.A., a young Ice-T related this type of scenario in his gangster rap. So, Jodi Arias had to know about this surveillance and by her acts it can be demonstrated she knew how to avoid surveillance. This should show some of the premeditation involved.

    • Jay
      04/22/2013 at 6:03 pm

      I think those tracking systems are great!
      If I get lost, wondering around not knowing where I am, they’ll be able to find me.

  113. MMD
    04/22/2013 at 4:08 pm

    OT – RCMP/CSIS/FBI just thwarted an Al Qaida supported attack to blow up a Via passenger train going from Toronto to New York. The people arrested (2) were not Canadian citizens – one lived in Toronto, the other Montreal. No connection to the Boston attacks.

    The entire world has gone to hell in a hand basket. I’m so glad that I live in my tiny little province on the east coast!!!

    • Jay
      04/22/2013 at 4:10 pm

      Scary times!

    • Jay
      04/22/2013 at 4:28 pm

      Atlantic Ocean province, MMD? Where you can like go fishing?

      • MMD
        04/22/2013 at 4:31 pm

        Yep – PEI

      • Jay
        04/22/2013 at 5:11 pm

        Ooooh… BluefinTuna!!!

      • MMD
        04/22/2013 at 6:52 pm

        LOL lots of lobster, mussels, halibut, salmon,trout, crab cakes plus big potato country. I wanted to become a vegetarian many years ago but had to settle for being a pescatarian because I simply couldn’t give up my seafood!!! 😆

  114. Anonymous
    04/22/2013 at 4:13 pm

    Looks like Jodi will have a new tune of Dido’s to sing along to once she’s convicted…it’s called “No Freedom”. For reals….LOL.

  115. Observer
    04/22/2013 at 4:18 pm

    Im the winter the HLN reporters were complaining about it being too hot in Phoenix when it was in the 80s. It’s 95 in Phoenix today and expected to be in the mid 90s all week. It will be in the 100s soon. With the way Nurmi and Wilmott like to drag it out, the rebuttal and surrebuttal will take us into the summer when it can get up to 120 degrees. Besides trying to make more money for himself, I think Nurmi is hoping the jurors and reporters will drop like flies from heat stroke.

    • MMD
      04/22/2013 at 4:35 pm

      More likely with his excess weight, he will be hit by heat stroke first!!! slapping my hands for actually typing that sentence, bad girl, bad girl 👿

  116. Observer
    04/22/2013 at 4:57 pm

    I rarely watch HLN because it is hard to tell if the talking heads are arguing the defense side – which means they make stuff up – or giving their personal opinion.

    I did watch HLN After Dark when the jury plucked from the studio audience was voting on: “Is Jodi Arias a Danger to Society?”

    I found it interesting that the ten women on the jury said Arias was a danger to society and the two men said, “Naw, when she gets out of jail she’ll be rich, famous and surrounded by groupies. Why would she risk all that to kill someone?”

    A psychologist told them it doesn’t matter how rich and famous she was, if another man rejects her, she will kill again.

    The men refused to change their illogical minds.

    I can excuse that to their macho thinking that women are not a danger to big strong men like them. What do they know about the law and dangerous criminals?

    But I can’t excuse the illogical thinking of Judge Glenda Hatchett, who went from a Delta Airlines attorney to Chief Presiding Judge of the Fulton County, Georgia Juvenile Court to a TV judge to an author. She does know the law inside and out.

    Judge Hatchett was skyped in to tell the audience her personal opinion of the Jodi Arias case.

    Hatchett said: “I think Jodi Arias will be found guilty of second degree murder because the defense has proven this was a dysfunctional relationship.”

    Huh? So our esteemed judge is telling us that it doesn’t matter if a woman plans a murder, drives 1,000 miles under the radar and stabs her ex boyfriend 29 times, slits his throat and shoots him in the head. If she is in a dysfunctional relationship she gets a free get out of jail card in 8 to 20 years.

    That is not the message an officer of the court should be giving to millions of girlfriends and wives in dysfunctional relationships who want to get revenge on men who have done them wrong.

    But Judge Hatchett goes further and says: “After all, Travis opened the door to her.”

    In the first place, Arias never testified that he opened the door. She testified that he wasn’t waiting for her outside, that she sneaked inside through a side door, that Travis was in his office with his back to her, she stood there in the doorway watching the video game on the computer until his dog saw her and ran up to her and Travis turned around.

    The fact that Arias took the battery out of her cell phone in Sacramento shows he Travis wasn’t expecting her. She would have texted or phoned him as she got nearer and nearer. It was an ambush, plain and simple.

    So Judge Hatchett is telling us if a man opens the door to his ex girlfriend in a dysfunctional relationship and she stabs him 29 times, slits his throat and puts a bullet in his head, that means she should get a lighter sentence.

    That’s vigilante justice, not mitigating circumstances.

    I can tell Judge Hatchett doesn’t know LDS men. All the LDS men I know would want to diffuse the situation peacefully and logically if they were confronted with a crazy ex girlfriend on their doorstep or in their house.

    Knowing Jodi’s chameleon manipulative personality, I’m sure Jodi convinced Travis she understood they were both moving on and wanted to say goodbye in person with love and peace and no negativity. She just wanted to give him a disk of pictures of their trip and wanted just a tiny favor, pictures of them naked, just for old times sake, “pretty please and then I promise to never bother you again.”

    Knowing Travis’s forgiving, understanding personality I picture him thinking if I do what she wants, she will get out of my house and life forever.

    Travis had no clue that Jodi’s idea of getting him out of her life was to screw him, torture him and slit his throat from ear to ear to make the point that she decides how the relationship ends, she is the last woman to have sex with Travis and she is going to make sure he is not going to take any woman to Cancun.

    In her demented mind, Travis belonged to her and he was having sex with all the women he dated and if she couldn’t have him no one could.

    Jodi butchered Travis June 4, 2008. His body was found June 9. The Cancun trip was June 10.

    • Kathy A.
      04/22/2013 at 6:59 pm

      “After all, Travis opened the door to her?” Even if that were true, does that mean he should have known she was there with murderous intent and told her to go away? That’s so ridiculous, especially coming from a judge who should know better. I have wondered when Jodi started forming the plan to kill him – after he took her off of the Cancun ticket and changed it to Mimi Hall or after she spied on him and saw him through the window making out with another woman?

      • MMD
        04/22/2013 at 7:29 pm

        Just because Travis opened the door to her, which I don’t believe, that still is NOT justification for 29 stab wounds, a slit throat and a bullet to the head!!!!!

    • MMD
      04/22/2013 at 7:12 pm

      I guess that’s why the defense is so determined to have an all male jury!!! 🙄 I find that show ridiculous along with most of HLN (I will occasionally watch Dr. Drew) so hopefully those men are a complete anomaly.

      This must be sooooo hard and beyond frustrating for you to watch since you are a local plus a LDS member! Add that to your family connection with your former DIL and if I were in your shoes I would be outside protesting this defense team and judge. Thankfully you have the School of Donchais to vent!!!

      .

    • Anonymous
      04/22/2013 at 7:30 pm

      Observer, I think I saw Judge Hatchett say that she thought JA would get second-degree murder, and I was completely annoyed by her attitude, but I didn’t see the other even more egregious comment she made about him opening the door to her. (I tend to watch little clips of the show before changing the channel– can only take so much!) That is utterly ludicrous. Would she say the same thing about a woman who let a man into her home? If he then murders her, would he be less culpable because she opened the door?

      • 04/22/2013 at 10:52 pm

        I saw Jerry Seidlen (sp?) of Anna Nicole Smith fame on HLN After Dark last week say, “Jodi won’t get the death penalty cuz she’s pretty.” Yah, pretty ugly.

    • Jay
      04/22/2013 at 7:49 pm

      Observer: “All the LDS men I know would want to diffuse the situation peacefully and logically if they were confronted with a crazy ex girlfriend on their doorstep or in their house.”

      So would all the Atheist-Agnostic-Skeptic men I know. But that doesn’t mean any of them would be able to do that with someone as seductive and manipulative as Jezabelle-Jody.

    • Moon
      04/22/2013 at 10:35 pm

      Said spot on, once again! I am not convinced Travis took those fugly garage shots either.

  117. 04/22/2013 at 6:11 pm

    Good afternoon all – I have a question for Syn or anyone who may know. Did they not say that PTSD is related to the trauma – i.e. scene, smells, items, etc. If Jodi really had PTSD, then why when she was arrested did she have a 9mm gun and 2 knives in her rental car? Would this not be related to the trauma – she says she suffers, and make her scared of these items? Is there not a waiting period to get a gun – when did she obtain the 9mm?

    • MMD
      04/22/2013 at 6:56 pm

      She waited the 10 day waiting period.

    • Kathy A.
      04/22/2013 at 7:53 pm

      Hey, C.I., this is a long answer to a short question. I’m not a behavioral health professional by any means, but I do have PTSD. I will try to be as brief as I can. Seven years ago, my husband, Randy, and I were taking a walk in the park near our home in early evening. It was something we had done probably 100 times before. This particular day, a guy came out from behind some trees and robbed us at gunpoint. He told Randy to put his wallet on the ground and me to do the same with my purse. Randy put his wallet on the ground and then kept moving away from me, to draw the guy’s attention to him and put distance between me and the robber. He picked up the wallet and purse and told us to turn around and count to 50 before leaving or attempting to call police. We turned around and he fired a shot into Randy’s back, propelling him forward. Between the shock and horror of that, was absolute fear because I knew I was next and all I could do was start praying. Call it divine intervention, luck, whatever…a couple of teenage boys were at the park near where we were and saw the whole thing, even though I had not noticed them. They came running when they saw and heard the shot, and scared the guy off. They chased him and tried to catch him but he got away. He was caught a few days later because he was trying to use our credit cards, but they were days of terror because he had both our driver’s licenses with our address, keys, etc.

      Randy sustained a bullet that tore a 6-inch hole in his liver. He lived for about 15 minutes as he bled internally to death. Paramedics tried very hard as did the trauma team at the hospital to bring him back, but the blood loss was too extreme. As the medical examiner told me, even if he had been shot in the middle of the emergency room, it was doubtful they could have saved him. The killer took a plea deal for life without parole because it was a death-penalty-eligible case, which spared me from going through the aggravation of a trial.

      For the first year, I could barely function. I finally got some help and was diagnosed with PTSD. Triggers for me are absolutely related to the trauma – hearing a single gunshot, or a car backfire, things like that…I don’t go to fireworks displays any longer because not only does the sound trigger flashbacks but the smell of gunpowder. Having a PTSD flashback is like being transported in time. You are suddenly not in the present anymore, you are right back in the middle of the traumatic incident, re-experiencing whatever it was you felt at the time. It is awful. I’ve had a lot of therapy and the passage of time have helped a lot and my reactions are not so extreme anymore – and there is nothing like being in the drive-through at a fast food restaurant, hearing a car backfire, and suddenly bursting into uncontrollable crying. It’s freaky and particularly difficult on the drive through window employee. 🙂

      Everyone’s triggers are different, but from my experience and in listening to other PTSD sufferers, I would think if things happened the way JA said they did, and Travis had truly gone nuts and attacked her, forcing her to grab a gun that she thought was not loaded to scare him and accidentally shooting him, and she had PTSD as a result, that the LAST thing she would want would be to put her hands on a gun, be around one, touch it, certainly not buy one, but that’s just my opinion.

      • 04/22/2013 at 8:23 pm

        Kathy A – Im so sorry for what happened to you – the way you describe it I can see and feel the fear. I’m wishing you all good things to happen to you from here on, I can’t even imagine. I also thank you for your answers form a real PTSD sufferer. How dare the DT make a mockery of this – it is very devastating.

      • 04/22/2013 at 8:43 pm

        Kathy A, as I have said before…. first hand experience resonates so much better than theory and book smarts.

        I’m so proud and appreciative that you for share your insights with us.

        Thank you.

    • 04/22/2013 at 8:37 pm

      CI – you tell me. Seriously because I don’t know! None of it, NONE of it makes sense if you try to equate it to PTSD. It makes sense when you equate it to ASPD it makes even more sense when you explain it under the auspices of Psychopathy.

      All I know is clinically she does NOT have PTSD. That’s really all I can say about it. Plus anyone who understands the symptoms of PTSD knows she doesn’t suffer from it. Nobody, NOBODY with PTSD acts like she did.

      As I’ve said before her actions are the opposite end of that spectrum. Someone suffering PTSD is more likely to be found in the corner, catatonic or semi-catatonic dripping in blood, holding the knife and totally incoherent.

      Not saying that is the only possibility but that is far more what you would expect than a methodical, systematic cover up complete with phone calls to the deceased. You’d be staying away from the scene in every way imaginable not ringing him up and hearing his voice on voice mail!! It’s just all ridiculous and it’s totally unfounded to claim she had PTSD for so many reasons it’s pretty much impossible to list them all.

      • 04/22/2013 at 9:24 pm

        Thank you all for explaining this to me. Syn would you not just love to be able to talk to JA yourself and find out what makes her tick?

      • 04/22/2013 at 9:28 pm

        dunno if she even knows… don’t think she has the insight. think that’s why she says she is empty. Think she really is

        refer Mickee Daniels vid where he shows the empty cereal box

  118. Kathy A.
    04/22/2013 at 6:12 pm

    Oh, hell! The DT filed a motion for a surrebuttal and one for lesser charges.

    • Family of Law
      04/22/2013 at 6:20 pm

      Just saw this tidbit! Looks like we may see ANOTHER defense “experts”- dear God, I don’t know if I can take it! And now the desperate DT wants a lesser charges of “Heat of passion” or “Sudden Quarrel”. Mind numbing!

      • Marilyn N
        04/22/2013 at 6:22 pm

        Just like Jodi – have to change to go along with the program.

  119. Anonymous
    04/22/2013 at 6:16 pm

    Syntara – So sorry I posted the wrong link for Hollie’s explanation – Here it is:

    Chris Stark ‏@stark3923 29 Mar
    MUST READ #JodiArias Accosted Chris Hughes wife SKYE Hughes. As told by a first hand witness as Sky is on witness http://tl.gd/n_1rjd0s4

    Travis served his mission w/Heidi’s husband Jacob and she is doing AWESOME Jewlry 2 raise awareness n funds 4 Travis Family http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUZ0DSG_zsY

  120. Kathy A.
    04/22/2013 at 6:22 pm

    Sorry for limited info. The defense wants to call a doctor from San Diego to rebut Dr. D’s testimony and diagnosis – how the hell can he be prepared to testify that quickly? And they want the judge to include the lesser charge of crime by heat of passion due to argument – it’s a charge we have but have never used in Arizona. What a bunch of crap. I hope the judge doesn’t allow the surrebuttal or the lesser charge, but it being a death penalty case and her being as lenient as she is, she will probably allow it. Gee. Maybe it will go to the jury by Labor Day.

    • Jay
      04/22/2013 at 6:50 pm

      A commentator on HLN, an Arizona lawyer, referred to this earlier..
      She said the lesser charge request is not uncommon at this stage of a trial. It’s dependent on what evidence was presented at the trial, and that it will most likely be included by the judge.

      She was doubtful the judge would allow the surrebutal witness to testify. That is a rare occurrence apparently, only allowed if some really compelling evidence uncovered.

      • MMD
        04/22/2013 at 7:00 pm

        smh Jay – you know better than to watch HLN 😯 I certainly hope that a surrebutal witness is NOT allowed. This defense team is unfreakinbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 👿

    • 04/22/2013 at 10:58 pm

      I’m in San Diego. Do you know the name of the Dr?

  121. JesusFreak
    04/22/2013 at 6:23 pm

    hottopic08 :
    Looks like the defense has filed for a Surrebuttle! Who in the world could they possibly be calling? https://twitter.com/Just_Me1965/status/326401622769033217/photo/1

    how can a trial ever end if the dt can keep rebuttalling the rebuttal?

  122. 04/22/2013 at 6:52 pm

    Kathy A. – Just heard the same crap about another doc to dispute Dr. D.’s testimony. DT is trying to say lack of experience and her diagnosis is supposedly new info. – just another ploy like the “eye expert,” what a JOKE! Also, the lesser charge of “crime of passion” is one more piece of nonsense the DT is reaching for. Let’s see what the judge does with this ongoing bs. The poor Alexander family will have to suffer so much longer to get Travis the Justice he so dearly deserves. You would think after all these months, let alone years, the DT would have the slightest bit of compassion for them – no, not these idiots, just keep dragging it out for that “evil piece of scum.”

    On a lighter note, I would like to say hello to everyone here. Love the comments and have been reading right along with all of you – not commented since my last rage – been behaving?!?!

    Of course – always, Thank You Donchais. Am also feeling the heartbreaking stories about Boston, I am a Western Mass. resident. The recent Newtown shooting, now this, it just seems to get closer to home. I guess we just have to count our blessings every day and enjoy each and every one of them!

    • hottopic08
      04/22/2013 at 7:59 pm

      This is not new evidence so HOW can this be allowed? I would say the DT has no say so in what experience she does or does not have, that would be up to the jury to determine. This is a crock and should not be allowed. As for the lesser charge be added, it’s a last ditch effort and to me says to the jury ” Oh I was lying again with my DV defense, this is the story I want to use now so please believe me”. It’s a slap in the face to justice and Travis. I’m disgusted with the DT and I pray the jurors are too!

  123. Observer
    04/22/2013 at 6:53 pm

    Another psychologist to rebut Dr. DeMarte’s diagnosis?

    What part of premeditated murder does the defense not understand?

    1-Stealing her grandfather’s gun
    2- Renting a car 90 miles from her home
    3-Removing the front license plates and turning the back licensed plate upside down
    4-Filling three gas cans
    5-Taking the battery out of her cell phone
    6- Using Ryan Byrnes as an alibi

    What does it matter if Jodi has PTSD or BPD, if Travis was a saint or the devil or how dysfunctional their relationship?

    Planning and executing a murder is first degree murder not self defense, not a crime of passion.

    • Family of Law
      04/22/2013 at 7:07 pm

      Exactly! The DT is yet pulling ANOTHER rabbit out of their hat- its SO frustrating for us- just imagine the Alexander family! I remain hopeful that Juan brings home what this is REALLY about- a premeditated murder, with HEAPS and PILES of evidence to prove it!

  124. Gigi
    04/22/2013 at 6:55 pm

    Just a comment regarding the photos…I reckon the photo of Travis bleeding around the neck (with her standing) could have happened when FrankenJodistein shot him, because surely a shot in a bathroom would reverberate a lot and such vibration might’ve caused the shutter to go off. I also think he was still alive there because he is raising his head by himself. So sad.

    LOL syntara – ‘ninja pupils’ – but about that photo, the supposed image of Jodi to me does look like she has something in both hands. The worst part about that image is that you think, this tiny image of his killer – this is the last thing Travis ever saw. Just gives me the creeps.

    Ever since I came to the conclusion that she’s just hoodwinked everyone about the supposed last ‘day of sex’, that she just staged the photos in an attempt to ‘prove’ they had sex, to prove he still ‘wanted her’ even right before he was going to Cancun with someone else. Her descriptions of the sex that day read out of a Mills&Boon, and she’s so keen to prove they had sex, she mentions in passing a supposedly-deleted sex tape (why couldn’t that then be restored forensically??). I think her idea of keeping photo ‘proof’ went by the wayside when she realised if ever found, they would place her there, hence she deleted them. I’m sure she thought that water would ruin the memory card. I always thought that myself!

    There’s just such a smugness in her about people having believed this, that she probably feels that whatever happens, she’s won, because she’s fooled everyone and made it go down in history that Travis still found her attractive and couldn’t resist her (and didn’t find her evil etc) til the very end. Everytime I read a talking head saying how Travis couldn’t help being male and sleeping with her again despite everything that had transpired, especially in the few weeks before his murder, I cringe and think she would be laughing inside to know that everyone’s bought it hook, line and sinker. The thinking is well, he made a sex tape with her a month before, so he was still thinking with his d*ck then, but I think the reasonable observer would think there’s no way Travis would’ve intentionally made a sex tape – he had too much to lose by committing things like that to the record for eternity. As if he would want to willingly give her a sex tape to hold against him for ever more. I think most reasonable observers would hazard the guess that she attempted to blackmail him with it, and that once he knew she’d taped him, that was it, he was so angry (as evidenced by his ‘you are evil’ email) that it’s extremely unlikely he would have ever slept with her again. He hated her by that stage and just wanted her out of his life. When did she set up her Youtube account and post the Eddy Snell vid? Because if it was before his death, I’m sure that was part of the blackmail. “Check out my new youtube, Travis? Posting something of you…..don’t worry, it’s only Eddy Snell. But if you keep hurting me, I’ll be posting our phone sex tape there for everyone to hear for evermore. No woman will ever want to date you.”

    My verdict on June 4 – she snuck in, she ambushed him, he tried to deal with it himself rather than call police, got her to leave somehow and later (perhaps when she saw the flatmate leave, or when she heard the shower running), she snuck herself back in. She probably spent the time taking the shower photos in arguing and screaming at him before finally telling him, “Do you know how badly you hurt me, Travis? Do you know how you’ve made me feel? Well, like this!” and she stabs him in the heart.

    JMHOs…take care everyone!

    • 04/22/2013 at 8:22 pm

      yaya GiGi, she wants everyone to think they had sex cos she wants them to have had sex. She figures if enough people believe it somehow it will make it true. NOT!

      As for the sex tape, damn straight! He didn’t know she was recording that. He was too private. My ex – (Doofus) did exactly the same to me and with phone calls he deliberately baited me on to record my frustration and anger towards him. He remained really calm like a tyical freakin psycho.. which made it even worse. I learnt to hang up. He would BCC peeps emails too so I stopped emailing him.

      So in agreement with you – he hated her. When you get to that stage everything about that person is a turn off he wouldn’t even have been able to stay hard enough just looking at her would have made him flop!

      Similar end scenario to what I have in mind. Don’t think there was much yelling on her part though, think she pulled the I’m ok with everything trick, to build her rage and to lull him into a false sense of security.

      Out of the blue, to him, she pulled out that knife and plunged it into his heart. Any hint of her being angry and he would have lunged at her long before allowing any of those shower shots to be taken IMO.

    • Schaeffer
      04/23/2013 at 3:46 am

      Gigi — I must respectfully disagree with you that Travis is raising his head in the photo you reference. She did not just slit his throat as in quickly draw the knife across it; the cut was so deep she completely transected his airway, severed the jugular vein, the carotid artery, and what are called the “strap muscles” of the neck, leaving him nearly decapitated. His head was only being held on by the muscles at the back of his neck. With the strap muscles severed, he could not have lifted his head even if he tried, assuming of course he wasn’t already bleeding out and unconscious. Also, the bullet wound was the last one inflicted, and even if it wasn’t, it would not have caused that amount of bleeding.

  125. Jay
    04/22/2013 at 7:02 pm

    From:
    http://www.webanswers.com/legal/courts/kirk-nurmi-and-jennifer-willmott-are-requesting-permission-to-present-a-surrebuttal-in-the-state-or-e8b891

    The defense team in the Jodi Arias first degree murder trial is requesting permission to present a surrebuttal. It is not routine for a surrebuttal to be granted; however, it is within the discretion of the presiding Judge Sherry Stevens to either deny or approve the request for a surrebuttal.

    Prosecutor Juan Martinez has just completed his rebuttal. There are times when the Judge allows the defense a surrebuttal of the prosecution’s rebuttal. This occurs when the prosecution raised issues for the first time during the rebuttal case. The defense is not permitted to rehash the case. It is limited to new issues which the Prosecution may have introduced during his rebuttal. The Prosecution is only authorized to bring up new issues which will counteract or refute information which was brought up by the defense during the trial.

    The judge will grant a request for a surrebuttal if she is convinced the new issues which the Prosecution brought up may offer relevant information that is pertinent to the defense to Jodi Arias. If the Judge does grant this request, it will allow defense to call additional witnesses at this late date in the trial which will, of course, prolong the trial.

    The defense also requested two lesser charges be presented as an option for the jury to select from when making its decision of which murder charge to convict Jodi Arias. The additional charges include heat of passion and manslaughter.

    • Jay
      04/22/2013 at 7:13 pm

      Example of rarity of surrebuttal:
      The Supreme Court of Arizona as recently as July, 2012, refused the appeal of Dale Shawn Hausner, convicted of six murders and seventy-four non-capital offenses. One of the justifications for the appeal was that the trial judge refused to allow requested surrebuttal witnesses. Here’s the Supreme Court’s justification of Denial of Surrebuttal”

      ¶ 81 Hausner contends that the trial court erred by refusing to allow him to present surrebuttal evidence to the other acts evidence.

      ¶ 82 Because trial courts must be able to limit the presentation of witnesses and other evidence on collateral issues, only rarely will a trial court abuse its discretion in denying surrebuttal. State v. Steelman, 120 Ariz. 301, 319, 585 P.2d 1213, 1231 (1978); see Ariz. R.Crim. P. 19.1. Hausner had an opportunity to deny the other acts during his testimony, and the trial court did not abuse its discretion in refusing to allow surrebuttal testimony.

      I doubt the Arias judge will allow it either.

      • truejustice
        04/22/2013 at 7:47 pm

        Ja y” The defense is not permitted to rehash the case. It is limited to new issues which the Prosecution may have introduced during his rebuttal. The Prosecution is only authorized to bring up new issues which will counteract or refute information which was brought up by the defense during the trial”

        At least they can only present “new” info, cause the defense seems to re-hash the entire case with every new witness. I’m sure the Jury , like most of us will not be convinced by one or 2 more witnesses. If they had something so shocking it would change the minds of the jury they would have already presented it.

    • MMD
      04/22/2013 at 7:23 pm

      This is not accurate – JM has NOT finished his rebuttal case. He still several witnesses to call. Plus what new info has been brought in – Dr. D disagreed with their diagnosis, (which they were fully aware of and everyone expected), the stolen ring and sleeping under the Christmas tree. WTH are the new issues?????? 🙄

      Gidget and Wurmi are getting beyond desperate or else they’re trying to increase their pay, courtesy of the AZ taxpayers, because they know they won’t be getting any new clients once this trial is over!!! They’ll probably be advertising on Craigslist and hopefully will be sanctioned for some of their actions!!! 😈

      • Jay
        04/22/2013 at 7:35 pm

        I think they’re referring to the specific rebuttal witness there.

        And both sources are saying it’s doubtful surrebuttal will be allowed.

    • TexiBelle
      04/22/2013 at 7:41 pm

      Good god the DT is going to have to be dragged out of that courtroom with a vaudeville hook.

      • TexiBelle
        04/22/2013 at 7:42 pm

        Or maybe a gong. Does anyone have a gong??

      • MMD
        04/22/2013 at 7:50 pm

        Since I’m such a pack rat I’m sure I can probably come up with both somewhere in my house 😆

      • Kathy A.
        04/22/2013 at 8:01 pm

        Love that image. 🙂

      • 04/22/2013 at 10:31 pm

        Now that right there is funny…I don’t care ya are! 😀

    • MMD
      04/22/2013 at 7:47 pm

      Jay, they have no grounds for a surrebuttal because the experts always have opposing opinions, no matter what trial it is. That’s why they usually cancel each other out with the jury unless one side is obviously more credible, kinda like Dr. D.

      • Jay
        04/22/2013 at 7:54 pm

        I agree

      • 04/22/2013 at 10:34 pm

        As you so aptly noted above, Gidget and Wurmi are “beyond desperate.”

        It’s my hope the jury is also seeing these obvious desperation tactics. Go Juan!

    • donchais
      04/22/2013 at 7:56 pm

      99.9% of what the defense has whined about is to ‘get it on record’…if they don’t, can’t be brought up at a later date…agonizing as it is, they have to do it. Think about it…Nurmi has wanted out for like forever…ya really think he wants to come back for a do-over?

    • 04/22/2013 at 11:42 pm

      T be clear…the rebuttal case isn’t over yet.

  126. MMD
    04/22/2013 at 7:25 pm

    Jay :
    I doubt the Arias judge will allow it either.
    From your lips to God’s ears!!!!!

    • Jay
      04/22/2013 at 7:39 pm

      Yes. And tonight I intend to do a martini-mind-meld with the judge before I go to bed and direct laser-like instructions to her NOT to waste any more time on nonsensical defense dodos, with doctorates or otherwise.

      • MMD
        04/22/2013 at 7:49 pm

        Sounds like an excellent plan 🙄

    • 04/22/2013 at 7:49 pm

      Amen!!

  127. Anonymous
    04/22/2013 at 7:44 pm

    Syntara – So sorry. I posted the wrong link for Hollie’s statement about the time that Sky told her off and kicked her out of her home. Here it is with another link about Jacob & Hollie

    Chris Stark ‏@stark3923 29 Mar
    MUST READ #JodiArias Accosted Chris Hughes wife SKYE Hughes. As told by a first hand witness as Sky is on witness http://tl.gd/n_1rjd0s4

    Travis served his mission w/Heidi’s husband and she is doing AWESOME Jewlry 2 raise awareness n funds 4 Travis Family http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUZ0DSG_zsY

    • 04/22/2013 at 8:05 pm

      You must have done something right, gateway, cos I saw the story from Holly it was on a clip with the gun to his head story. But thank you for these links as well. 🙂

  128. Anonymous
    04/22/2013 at 7:46 pm

    My comments are not showing up. How weird.

    • donchais
      04/22/2013 at 7:50 pm

      Because you post as Anon…pick a hat…any hat and the problem will be resolved!

  129. kelleyyyy
    04/22/2013 at 7:46 pm

    hi everyone!!!! since Jodi (says) she walked in on tTravis and he was on the bed with pics of boys.. would this be one of those many many times she showed up unannounced? who would do that in the bedroom when someone else is in the house.. especially someone who doesn’t know what a LOCK mean?? never happened but she testified to it.. JM can show this as another ‘stocking’ move on her part..

    • Douglme
      04/23/2013 at 1:25 am

      That didn’t happen…Juan proved that already by showing her text messages with Travis later…she didn’t have a car and she wanted to borrow his. She never walked in on him at all.

  130. truejustice
    04/22/2013 at 7:51 pm

    OK – HLN – I know head hung .. lol

    Tonight: Jodi Arias was warned
    By Dr. Drew staff
    updated 2:29 PM EDT, Mon April 22, 2013
    Jodi Arias was warned that she wouldn’t want to tangle with prosecutor Juan Martinez.

    Who said he is “good at what he does”? Why did he/she say it? And when? Dr. Drew has the videotape. Watch it tonight.

    I don’t get cable but will be interesting what they show .

    • kelleyyyy
      04/22/2013 at 7:55 pm

      hiya true.. The male detective told her that. during her interrogation. He said he’s good at what he does and you do not want to go up against him

      • kelleyyyy
        04/22/2013 at 8:01 pm

        I cant remember he’s name for anything… this trial is making me looney

      • MMD
        04/22/2013 at 8:18 pm

        Esteban Flores???

    • Jay
      04/22/2013 at 7:59 pm

      I think that’s during one of the police interviews, said by the investigating officer

      • HJ Madison
        04/22/2013 at 10:35 pm

        It is definately Det. Flores saying it during the secong day of questioning. I finished watching them this morning. Flores was so great with her …. Among other things, I was surprised by how many times she asked to see the crime scene photos. I think she was trying to put together her ninja story.

  131. 04/22/2013 at 7:52 pm

    Texibelle– That was a good one

    • TexiBelle
      04/22/2013 at 9:55 pm

      Thanks!

  132. MMD
    04/22/2013 at 8:00 pm

    Anybody else here feel completely off on their days? Without court today, not only have I done a lot of damage at Amazon but I keep thinking its Sunday night. Totally confused and quite a bit poorer 😦

    • 04/22/2013 at 10:36 pm

      Yep. I was thinking today was Sunday. 😀

    • HJ Madison
      04/22/2013 at 10:40 pm

      Yes. What will we do when this ends? I watched the police interviews yesterday and today. I could not bring myself to watch the 48 hour stuff. And I made a really nice dinner so that may let me off the hook a few days! BTW, MMD, I have had the good fortune of visiting PEI. What a beautiful place!

      • 04/22/2013 at 11:15 pm

        HJ, if you haven’t seen the 48 hour docos.. they are a must… so make sure you do watch them asap!

        They give a whole new meaning to the words ‘pathological lying”

  133. Dewey
    04/22/2013 at 8:07 pm

    Ok legal eagles, I don’t understand this. How could the jury be expected to even consider heat of passion due to argument when her entire defense was based on self defense and domestic violence? And if the judge does not allow it, will the defense really have legit grounds for an appeal based on that? I understand its a DP case but does the defense team really have this much control over this judge? Is this what usually happens in a DP case?

  134. Laine
    04/22/2013 at 8:09 pm

    Good evening my friends! 🙂 just posting a little something I found on Twitter tonight…may put some minds at rest. Let me know if it doesn’t open and I’ll post the article from leagle eagles…

    ♥♡~Cindy~♡♥ ツ @luv_1995 18m
    @josemcyntire #JodiArias *court found that Dr. Geffner was a hired gun..testimony was completely without merit.*More> leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx…

  135. Laine
  136. Schaeffer
    04/22/2013 at 8:12 pm

    Frankly, I’m amazed the DT could find anyone willing to come on board at this point. They were turned down by several professionals before getting Samuels and ALV to sign on, and they were less than stellar in their reputation, assessment, or performance on the stand. Also, it is far more than just a matter of finding someone willing to testify or tistify for cash. The individual has to be approved as an “expert” by the Judge, and their CV would have to be impeccable and beyond reproach; Juan will pounce on even the slightest exaggeration or inconsistency. Actually, being a DP case would make it even harder to be qualified as an expert. Given the blow these two took to their reputations and possible future employment opportunities, I doubt any reputable professional would even take a call from the DT, let alone agree to testify.

    • Laine
      04/22/2013 at 8:15 pm

      Exactly right Schaeffer…read the link above….another hired Gun.I belive if he testifies Juan will tear him a new ass…..

      • 04/22/2013 at 11:59 pm

        Let’s get this straight…there’s no such thing as anything other than a hired gun when you are dealing with a guilty piece of crap.

    • MMD
      04/22/2013 at 8:26 pm

      Anyone who comes on this case at this point is either a fool after what the other 2 experts have done to their careers or else they are as much of a loon (no offense to the bird) as JA!!! 😉

      • Laine
        04/22/2013 at 8:32 pm

        Agreed MMD….and Juan will have his number make no mistake about that! 🙂 Hope you are feeling better honey

      • MMD
        04/22/2013 at 9:08 pm

        Much better thanks darlin’ 🙂

    • Moon
      04/22/2013 at 11:18 pm

      And, how long has ths “new witness” been on board? you can bet that whoever it is, they have watched the trial and read a LOT about it, since clearly that person had no subpeona up until when? now? Sounds like another egomaniac that thinks they have a chance against Mr. Juanderful.

  137. NancyB
    04/22/2013 at 8:13 pm

    Syn – look at this from Chris Stark about Psycho clip that uses AZ license plate ANL

  138. NancyB
    04/22/2013 at 8:14 pm
    • 04/22/2013 at 11:05 pm

      rofll!!!! is that the plate from the actual psycho movie… ???

      • NancyB
        04/23/2013 at 12:41 am

        yes

  139. hottopic08
    04/22/2013 at 8:19 pm

    JM has filed an objection to the surrebuttal! Yes! Let’s hope the judge squashes this new motion.

    • MMD
      04/22/2013 at 9:09 pm

      That’s my man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😀

  140. Laine
    04/22/2013 at 8:24 pm

    Official “Brief” Bio for Robert Geffner’s for JA defense expert Robert Geffner, Ph.D., ABPN, ABPP http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rjtmj9

    • MMD
      04/22/2013 at 8:30 pm

      He may look well educated and experienced, but that doesn’t mean he’s not a loon (no offense to the bird) or just plain stupid when it comes to seeing the career suicide he will commit!!!! 😉 Obviously he hasn’t learned a damn thing from his 2 predecessors!!!!

      • Laine
        04/22/2013 at 8:37 pm

        He’s a hired gun MMd check my link on #459…he testimony was disregarded in the trail in the link…

    • 04/22/2013 at 9:18 pm

      can’t wait to hear his testimony!

      • 04/22/2013 at 9:20 pm

        bet it’s gonna be another 4657 vodka shots and 2456 visits to the rabbit hole!

      • 04/23/2013 at 1:24 am

        I hope his testimony never sees the light of day due to the Judge denying the DT motion for the surrebuttal.

    • CathyP
      04/23/2013 at 3:46 am

      I wonder if the DT has read his recent treatment manual of Women Arrested for Domestic Violence, it might include their client, if not, it should!

  141. 04/22/2013 at 8:40 pm

    Observer :
    I rarely watch HLN because it is hard to tell if the talking heads are arguing the defense side – which means they make stuff up – or giving their personal opinion.
    I did watch HLN After Dark when the jury plucked from the studio audience was voting on: “Is Jodi Arias a Danger to Society?”
    I found it interesting that the ten women on the jury said Arias was a danger to society and the two men said, “Naw, when she gets out of jail she’ll be rich, famous and surrounded by groupies. Why would she risk all that to kill someone?”
    A psychologist told them it doesn’t matter how rich and famous she was, if another man rejects her, she will kill again.
    The men refused to change their illogical minds.
    I can excuse that to their macho thinking that women are not a danger to big strong men like them. What do they know about the law and dangerous criminals?
    But I can’t excuse the illogical thinking of Judge Glenda Hatchett, who went from a Delta Airlines attorney to Chief Presiding Judge of the Fulton County, Georgia Juvenile Court to a TV judge to an author. She does know the law inside and out.
    Judge Hatchett was skyped in to tell the audience her personal opinion of the Jodi Arias case.
    Hatchett said: “I think Jodi Arias will be found guilty of second degree murder because the defense has proven this was a dysfunctional relationship.”
    Huh? So our esteemed judge is telling us that it doesn’t matter if a woman plans a murder, drives 1,000 miles under the radar and stabs her ex boyfriend 29 times, slits his throat and shoots him in the head. If she is in a dysfunctional relationship she gets a free get out of jail card in 8 to 20 years.
    That is not the message an officer of the court should be giving to millions of girlfriends and wives in dysfunctional relationships who want to get revenge on men who have done them wrong.
    But Judge Hatchett goes further and says: “After all, Travis opened the door to her.”
    In the first place, Arias never testified that he opened the door. She testified that he wasn’t waiting for her outside, that she sneaked inside through a side door, that Travis was in his office with his back to her, she stood there in the doorway watching the video game on the computer until his dog saw her and ran up to her and Travis turned around.
    The fact that Arias took the battery out of her cell phone in Sacramento shows he Travis wasn’t expecting her. She would have texted or phoned him as she got nearer and nearer. It was an ambush, plain and simple.
    So Judge Hatchett is telling us if a man opens the door to his ex girlfriend in a dysfunctional relationship and she stabs him 29 times, slits his throat and puts a bullet in his head, that means she should get a lighter sentence.
    That’s vigilante justice, not mitigating circumstances.
    I can tell Judge Hatchett doesn’t know LDS men. All the LDS men I know would want to diffuse the situation peacefully and logically if they were confronted with a crazy ex girlfriend on their doorstep or in their house.
    Knowing Jodi’s chameleon manipulative personality, I’m sure Jodi convinced Travis she understood they were both moving on and wanted to say goodbye in person with love and peace and no negativity. She just wanted to give him a disk of pictures of their trip and wanted just a tiny favor, pictures of them naked, just for old times sake, “pretty please and then I promise to never bother you again.”
    Knowing Travis’s forgiving, understanding personality I picture him thinking if I do what she wants, she will get out of my house and life forever.
    Travis had no clue that Jodi’s idea of getting him out of her life was to screw him, torture him and slit his throat from ear to ear to make the point that she decides how the relationship ends, she is the last woman to have sex with Travis and she is going to make sure he is not going to take any woman to Cancun.
    In her demented mind, Travis belonged to her and he was having sex with all the women he dated and if she couldn’t have him no one could.
    Jodi butchered Travis June 4, 2008. His body was found June 9. The Cancun trip was June 10.

    First and foremost. The HLN Jury. Some men have their brains in their D***s! No need to explain that reasoning for their answer. Go date her…they deserve her!

    Second…Judge Hatchet…she tries cases on TV. Right up there with the Gong Show!! She doesn’t know AZ or the people. Nuff said about that.
    TA had his faults just like everyone, his biggest fault was being to understanding and kind to this freak JA. He only saw the potential in people and saw flaws in her he thought he could help her overcome. And for that he paid with his life. God help us that he guides this judge in the right direction and declines their request for lower charges!!

    • Tracey A
      04/22/2013 at 8:50 pm

      LMAO!!! “The Gong Show”!! Hysterical comparison!!

    • 04/22/2013 at 9:01 pm

      CC’sC

      *drum roll*

      You ladies are AWESOME!!! You totally rock girls!!! *applause* every time i read your posts!!! 😀

  142. 04/22/2013 at 9:04 pm

    I posted this vid the other day… but Tracey just told me it didn’t work for her.. so just in case it didn’t work for others .. and nobody told me 😛 here it is again.

    ps: not for the easily offended but for the rest of you this is a GREAT summary of the story so far.

    • Tracey A
      04/22/2013 at 9:37 pm

      LMAO! This is so funny!!! DoLittle and ALV in McDonald’s uniforms. Juan the Rockstar. Both of them are playing for me!

      • 04/22/2013 at 9:41 pm

        yay it works then! ya I love this!!! it’s very clever! so much in it!

      • 04/22/2013 at 9:55 pm

        Trace.. I love the juror’s question too! Says it all.

  143. Observer
    04/22/2013 at 9:05 pm

    Jodi Arias is steering the defense ship and she was enraged that Dr. Janeen DeMarte saw right through her charade and said she was not a battered woman, didn’t have PTSD or amnesia and was unstable and immature. Miss Know It All Who Has to be Right punched the walls and kicked the cell doors and demanded a male psychologist who would say what she wanted him to say to prove Dr. Demarte wrong. Of course we know Nurmi and Wilmott bow to the wishes of Queen Arias.

    • GATEWAY
      04/23/2013 at 1:14 am

      Hey Observer, I think she is now being referred to as “St.Jodi of Arias” driving this crazy train
      of court room theater at its finest!!! Hopefully this Judge nixes any & everything this Dynamic
      Duo DT comes up with from here on out. Casey Anthony is a runner up to this psycho nut job
      Arias. Her mother is probably writing a book in court titled “How To Raise A Monster” Her and
      that crazy twin – “The Giggling Dumplings” Okay, nuff said.

  144. 04/22/2013 at 9:14 pm

    Take it for what it’s worth…I feel the jury on HLN After Dark are paid actors. Their questions/comments seem rehearsed and contrived.

    • MMD
      04/22/2013 at 9:29 pm

      Wouldn’t surprise me at all. HLN is such a joke and that show is particularly bad. If not actors then probably rehearsed. “guided” or “strongly suggested” as to what kind of questions or comments to make. Not that I’m cynical or anything…………….. 😉

  145. MMD
    04/22/2013 at 9:34 pm

    OT

    CNN is reporting – U.S. government source: Suspect told investigators no international terror groups were behind Boston attacks.

    I seriously doubt if the older brother would have told the younger brother anything that happened during the 6 months he was back in Russia and may have been trained or brain washed. jmo

  146. MMD
    04/22/2013 at 9:38 pm

    Mark Eiglarsh on Dr. Drew just said that he told his wife that he was going to say on the show that Wurmi’s style is the perfect cure for insomnia. 😆 This is major considering Mark is really not a JM fan!!

  147. 04/22/2013 at 9:55 pm

    Eiglarsh is the sound I make when I puke

    • MMD
      04/22/2013 at 10:19 pm

      😆 I’m not a fan however he has come a long way from a month ago when he couldn’t do anything but criticize JM. At times, he actually sounds like he appreciates JM’s talent and methods 😀 Hell may have also frozen over while I had my head under a pillow with a migraine 😉

  148. Moon
    04/22/2013 at 10:09 pm

    Hellllloooo ev1! I allowed myself to be “diverted” the past few days by my 3 yr old granddaugther 🙂
    i see i have a lot of catching up to do,.. just watched HLN… and heard of these 2 new motions…. what a csesspool.
    Dr. Drew and his panel believe the ho is a mixture of Borderline and Phsycopath. One of the guests says she doesn’t think the ho is satanic. hmmm IMO, i think the ho has MORE THAN DISPLAYED SIGNS OF BEING STANIC. …just saying….

    • 04/22/2013 at 10:15 pm

      hurro Moon 😀

    • 04/22/2013 at 10:21 pm

      ya well .. timing I guess cos as I said above

      “04/22/2013 at 2:25 am | #316

      Perhaps, to reconcile this.. the American system should introduce two subcategories in the DSM.

      ASPD + P and BPD + P if it is so reluctant to allow the category P in its own right.”

      • Moon
        04/22/2013 at 10:45 pm

        **SATANIC even!

        jello!! yes, no doubt they should . I hope our system prooves to be JUSTICE system in this case, NOT a LEGAL system.

  149. Kristy
    04/22/2013 at 10:13 pm

    Should we be concerned over the defense calling another psychology witness?

    • 04/23/2013 at 8:02 am

      I just want to know how they found a re-rebuttal witness so fast when they went through a ton of “experts” before Samuels and LaViolette signed their careers away.

  150. 04/22/2013 at 10:13 pm

    Laine

    Re: your link upstairs.

    The trial court ultimately found that Dr. Geffner was simply a “hired gun” and that his testimony was completely without merit

    Now doesn;t that sound familiar? Can we say “typical Arias DT witness creds?”

    • 04/22/2013 at 10:39 pm

      “Now doesn;t that sound familiar? Can we say ‘typical Arias DT witness creds?'”
      ________________________________________________________________

      Yes we can!

      BTW, thank you for your kind words yesterday. I was away from my PC most of the day.

      • 04/23/2013 at 12:23 am

        No worries Mark 😀

    • Laine
      04/23/2013 at 5:45 am

      Yep, that was my point when I posted. I agree they are all hired guns but this guy has already been impeached on testimony in another trial…Juan will slaughter him on the stand! The DT are just desperate…or…ensuring that there is no recourse on appeal….

  151. Moon
    04/22/2013 at 10:55 pm

    I sure hope the judge will rule that they DO NOT NEED to rebutt Dr .D. Sameuls is the one who said NO to the BPD, so Juan rebutted THAT with Dr. D. He only rebutted what Gasbag said so there should be no reason for DT to now rebutt that. 😦

  152. 04/22/2013 at 11:00 pm

    How many times does the DT get to change their defense tactics?? Just because your witnesses screw you up you change. They will eventually run out of options then what are they going to do!!!!!! These two are a complete joke and not a funny one. Take ’em down Juan, take ’em down.

  153. 04/22/2013 at 11:02 pm

    In the name of;

    JUSTICE FOR TRAVIS !!!!!

  154. 04/22/2013 at 11:23 pm

    NancyB :
    Here’s the link
    *** link deleted to avoid mod ****

    NancyB seriously!! I gotta know… is that the authentic plate from psycho? I’m assuming not cos that’s way too *twilight zone*… but just in case enquiring minds MUST know!!

    • 04/22/2013 at 11:26 pm

      ok I have to assume someone created that number plate. Cos I’m trying to find it on the net and it ain’t finding… plus that’s just way too weird to be real. Smart tho!

      • 04/22/2013 at 11:37 pm

        OMG it is!!!! I found it

        http://www.filmsite.org/psyc2.html

        He checks the license and registration (her 1959 Arizona license plate number is ANL 709 –

        7/09 Jodi’s bday!!! Anl = anal Grand Canyon – good description of said orifice!

        😯

      • 04/22/2013 at 11:55 pm

        Original link posted by NancyB

      • 04/23/2013 at 12:48 am

        crap something went into mod and I have no idea why… I just copied and pasted a link into a normal reply… I didn’t quote or anything.

        Sorry Donchais I thought I had avoided it I’m so careful these days. 😦

  155. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/22/2013 at 11:38 pm

    IamBill ‏@IamBill46 2h
    OMG! Here’s one for the books: Dr.Geffner WAS EDITOR OF AL’s “Domestic Violence Offenders” BOOK. #jodiarias pic.twitter.com/DSgYFNiU7D

    • 04/22/2013 at 11:42 pm

      🙄 smh

    • 04/23/2013 at 12:42 am

      From what I saw on Dr Geffner’s website, it sure looks like he loves to work with perpetrators, as opposed to victims. To me, that tells you where someone’s mindset is that they devote their lives to helping disgusting scum of the earth, as opposed to those they’ve victimized.

  156. Moon
    04/22/2013 at 11:50 pm

    you’ve been busy today, syn… gonna go catch some of this footage you are referencing….

  157. Moon
    04/22/2013 at 11:54 pm

    also want to say again that i think those juror ?s are just sreaming “show us more on the premeditation” When Juan pounds that home, I sure hope the jurors are listening, because if they haven’t got that yet…. well let’s just hope they get that hammered home!

  158. Moon
    04/22/2013 at 11:59 pm

    7/09 Jodi’s bday!!! Anl = anal Grand Canyon – good description of said orifice!
    roflmao

  159. Douglme
    04/23/2013 at 1:30 am

    Syntara :
    HJ, if you haven’t seen the 48 hour docos.. they are a must… so make sure you do watch them asap!
    They give a whole new meaning to the words ‘pathological lying”

    Ya, I had never seen them and I watched the ones you have posted and was stunned. Thanks for those Syn!

    • 04/23/2013 at 4:55 am

      you are very welcome Mel 🙂

  160. Schaeffer
    04/23/2013 at 1:30 am

    re: my earlier question about using the flash
    Isn’t it possible to just activate the flash without taking a picture?

  161. 04/23/2013 at 1:58 am

    hey… Enquiring mind pals….

    I’m going over Jodi’s cross with Juan… forgive me if this was discussed at the time I was not involved with Donchais’ blog then.

    Day 21 Croakerqueen Part (1) 52.55 ish and again at 54.00 Juan has her reading from her own journal for the entry on 26 May 2008 .

    Did anyone notice the page is ripped in half? it must be for that day because she stops reading right before it.. but says there are two further entries for that day. Three entries in one day. 26 May was very significant.. as we well know.

    Nothing can come of it… but makes you wonder what she ripped out doesn’t it?

    • Schaeffer
      04/23/2013 at 2:28 am

      Syn — the date is 26 AUGUST 2007. This was the “I love TVA so completely I don’t know any other way to be” entry. This was after she had been spying on him through the window and saw him making out with another woman. Clean out your ears, woman!

      • 04/23/2013 at 4:50 am

        lol ah ok.. still wanna know what she ripped out!!!

    • Douglme
      04/23/2013 at 3:04 am

      Yes…I think she tried to say it was one of her negative thoughts and you know how she likes to believe in the positive. But I also noticed that in her blog she says she no longer believed in the law of attraction, so I am not sure. You can’t believe anything that girl says!

      • 04/23/2013 at 4:51 am

        wonder when she ripped that out.. after the murder when she was editting maybe 😛

  162. Anna
    04/23/2013 at 3:21 am

    ANNA HERE SAYING SORRY BUT OUT FOR NOW, OKAY? OKAY. [facing a huge uphill evil battle for my own private Justice; the likes of which i didn’t know existed from places & people I thought were safe…very scary !*&$!…and plz b careful out there guys and one more note: i have not one infinitesimal bone of suicide in my body…too easy…but i do possess a ton of Spanish blood, coupled with Scottish, and French…very lol combo, right? But I’m not red-headed at all…in fact, just the opposite, tho i do sometimes play one on wwwtv] I just want everyone here to know, (and I realize this is just for my own personal satisfaction/gratification/whatever-a-tion, okay?), that you are in my prayers, and I offer comfort to all in this time, in the only way I know how to right now – via someone else’s words of wisdom. I hope these vids find you as well as you can be right now. I’m shattered, but growing stronger now by the day for many significant and unified reasons. Thankfully, no where left to go but up. So, the Anna you might have thought you knew prob ends here (but in a good way, i promise) because the humor muse has turned inward and refuses now to even come out. (stop with all the sighs of relief already…I get it already, geegollywhizz) I’ve had to change, at the ripe young age of 50, but I want nothing more than the wonderful memories I have in my mind of this place I needed so badly at the time. You people are truly amazing. Thank you for putting up with me and allowing me to vent here. Please pat yourselves on the back every now and then, okay? Okay. (yeah, i’m getting’ to the vids…just one more sec & be forewarned I am ending on a Protestant note here…lo seinto, pero no, but don’t click that link if that’s not what you think – and if that don’t get me to moderation purgatory, don’t know what will) I just want to thank the many good hearts I found here who truly care. Not just about Justice. But about people. You will always be in my prayers, whether you like it or not… 🙂 (and yeah, i got my own blog already so go practice your yoga! 🙂 ) Rascall Flatts:
    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVgfHz_f4Os
    2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz1N8W8phec&feature=artistob&playnext=1&list=TLgkah2EFkhCw
    [con que, una nueva anna comienza . adios para ahora, mis amigos…y gracias…siempre… 🙂 And please never you mind no Stupid worries, I’m fine…this is my heart on a www sleeve, so get over yourselves and move on…pffft! literally nothing left to see…except a female Texan momma bear… 🙂 catch yas on the flip side…happy trails…clean on aisle anna asap por favor and copacetic out!]

  163. 04/23/2013 at 8:35 am

    Good Morning, All!

    Step right up! Step right up! Now taking bets on whether there will be court today!

    $50 on inmate migraine…….odds 10:1
    $25 on jury tampering…….odds 2:1
    $1,000 on motion for a mistrial…..odds…CERTAIN!

    Place ya bets, folks!!!

  164. donchais
    04/23/2013 at 8:46 am
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