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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – Day Fifty-Two, Discussion Continues


Geez, yikes!

Carry on !

  1. Laine
    04/23/2013 at 7:29 pm

    Yikes…I got a little lost for a minute there! But found you! Thanks for the summary as always donchais. I was so impressed with Deanne, it must have been so difficult to sit up there and admit as a mormon you had broken the law of chastity but she did it for Travis! she spoke honestly and truthfully. No she wasn’t in the same relationship with Travis as JA was…because she wasn’t a slut, he respected her and I can see why….this was one classy lady. She took every disgusting thing he threw at her…and she did it for Travis!

    • donchais
      04/23/2013 at 7:32 pm

      I have no idea what just happened with comment, but scared the heck out of me…hopefully ok now. Deanna was the Deanna Travis knew, loved and admired!

  2. kristin
    04/23/2013 at 7:31 pm

    Thank you Donchais! I just wanted to tell everyone how wonderful I think you all are! I was reading Dr.Lillians body language site. It has a very similar format as yours donchais. There was so much negativity in the comments and not just aimed at trolls! This sandbox and its kids and its mom are a breath of fresh air:)

    • donchais
      04/23/2013 at 7:34 pm

      Thx Kristin…btw, Dr, Glass follows the blog here, lol, but she doesn’t do troll control on hers!

  3. Lisa M
    04/23/2013 at 7:36 pm

    Great job, Donchais! Yes, Nurmi certainly topped himself today, didn’t he, with his last question to Deanna? What a disgusting excuse for a man. Anyway, here’s my question, what testimony of Jodi’s did the woman from Tesoro refute during her testimony? I can’t remember what Jodi had testified to regarding those particular gas purchases. Thanks!

    • donchais
      04/23/2013 at 7:40 pm

      Jodi claimed she only had 2 gas cans…she had 3 and filled all of them so as not to leave a credit card trail in mesa or cali.

      • Lisa M
        04/23/2013 at 7:52 pm

        Ah! So that’s why she made three separate purchases. Got it! Thanks!

      • donchais
        04/23/2013 at 7:55 pm


  4. Gwen
    04/23/2013 at 7:41 pm

    The defense team is a total disgrace. The questions to Miss Reid were so uncomfortable…I didn’t see the need to humiliate her. Tons of praise to her for her class and dignity!!!!!! Way to go Deanna…you were awesome!

    Can’t wait to see Jodi’s fake tears when she’s convicted!!!!!!! Oh wait..no one will ever convict her!!

    • Gwen
      04/23/2013 at 7:51 pm

      Donchais, you said the defense dropped their request for additional testimony?

      • donchais
        04/23/2013 at 7:54 pm

        Heard, can’t confirm, but they are off the records at the moment…withdrawn or sealed not sure.

  5. donchais
    04/23/2013 at 7:45 pm

    OK, looks like hopefully, the WordPress freak show got fixed and we are all settled in again…sorry folks…not controlled on my end!

  6. Lisa M
    04/23/2013 at 7:53 pm

    I agree, Gwen, this defense is disgraceful! And I do not understand this judge! Why is court starting so late tomorrow after ending early today? It’s ridiculous!

    • donchais
      04/23/2013 at 7:59 pm

      Maybe hearings on the disappearing motions or new motions filed…I intend to look for feed at 9:30 MST time…maybe for naught, but this court has me nuts!

      • Janeto
        04/23/2013 at 8:01 pm

        I totally agree, and so sorry mom! Thank you for all you do! You are the bestest!! Muah!!! 🙂

      • donchais
        04/23/2013 at 8:02 pm

        Back at ya!

    • 04/23/2013 at 8:07 pm

      I agree with you Gwen and Lisa and all – This defense is the bottom of the sludge pool. Nurmi I think gets off on this disgusting form of sayings – Could he not try and fake a little class by using the term “sexually explicit words” instead of constantly listing them. He should sit back in his recliner and shut up. I think Wingnut watched her performance on TV and realized what an idiot she is so that is why he is doing the talking. Hmmm I wonder which idiot will talk tomorrow. Guesses anyone? Say goodbye Jodi – you are baked, overdone, finished.

      by the way good evening all – have a great night.

      • 04/23/2013 at 8:13 pm

        Forgot to say a big thank you thank you, to you Donchais – loved the recap. Hanging my head in shame.

      • donchais
        04/23/2013 at 8:18 pm

        No shame…stand proud!

      • Gwen
        04/23/2013 at 8:14 pm

        Did anyone see WORMY smile when DR. Janeen was asked if it was abuse when Travis called Jodi a three H-lE wonder? What a low life creep!!! I agree..think he gets his jollies through all this testimony. YUK

  7. Janeto
    04/23/2013 at 7:57 pm

    donchais- Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!! I missed it ALL today :cry:, (work) and couldn’t wait for your recap!!!!! However I spent the last hour going over all the comments during live feed, before you changed pages, and I want to thank you all for all the great upkeep you gave. I feel like I’m right there on live stream! (well, almost!) 😆 Hey everybody! {{{waves and hugs}} to all!!!! When someone finds the link to todays trial on youtube, PLEASE post it as I certainly would love to see it!!!!! My connection, is still in and out, but better than the other day!!! Just want to try to see the action you guys saw today!!! Love and miss you peeps, and will be back when I can! A believe it was a GOOD day for WOHO to paly “hangman!” That was tooo funny!!!!!!!!!

    • donchais
      04/23/2013 at 8:01 pm

      Welcome as always my friend! Go to You Tube and search Croaker Queen…she has the best!

      • Janeto
        04/23/2013 at 8:03 pm

        Ah!! (as I bow to you!) thanks, I forgot the name Croaker Queen!!! 😳

    • kristin
      04/23/2013 at 11:14 pm

      Heyyyyy!! You did miss a good day! I was surprised they went through so many witnesses in a single day. Luckily u missed Wurmi say “peeeeeenile”. Its echoing even as a written word lol

    • traceya1
      04/24/2013 at 12:38 am

      Hey GF!!!!! 😀 You have me LMAO!

      • Tracey A
        04/24/2013 at 12:39 am

        Crap! Wrong name again. Apparently note to self previously stated didn’t take!

  8. Gwen
    04/23/2013 at 8:00 pm

    Does anyone know if Jodi is still being allowed to “tweet”? Also, why is she allowed to color or draw all through the testimony? Wouldn’t that be noticed by the jury? I would think helmet head Wilmott would tell her to stop.

    • Lisa M
      04/23/2013 at 9:03 pm

      I know! What is her defense thinking, letting her draw?

      • Lisa M
        04/23/2013 at 9:04 pm

        I have no idea why it’s allowed. I guess there’s no specific rule against it?

      • kristin
        04/24/2013 at 4:04 am

        Its just so bizarre her drawing in court. It reminds me of a woman that I worked with, her 16 year old daughter got pregnant. Even though we were completely against throwing a baby shower for a 16 year old, we wanted to help. So we all met up one evening at the Olive Garden. There were about 20 of us. We all brought gifts. This mother to be sat and colored the placemat the entire time. This is the most important thing in her life right now much like WOBOs behavior.

    • Marilyn N
      04/24/2013 at 12:36 pm

      Maybe because she is like a kid, they want to keep her busy and out of their way!!😀

  9. SeniorMoments
    04/23/2013 at 8:10 pm

    I’m really hoping your sources are correct, donchais, and that both motions will disappear! I don’t worry so much about ALV’s colleague disputing JD, but most of our big cases that we have followed have been lost on the jury instructions! JA and the DT don’t need to be provided more wiggle room!

    • donchais
      04/23/2013 at 8:17 pm


  10. Kristy
    04/23/2013 at 8:12 pm

    I wonder if Jodi’s writing/drawing are her way of self-soothing and not getting emotional in front of the jury. Of course she doesn’t think she’ll be convicted! She’s still living in Jodi land.

    • Gwen
      04/23/2013 at 8:48 pm

      I heard that she is selling her drawings on eBay. Anyone else hear that?

      • Lisa M
        04/23/2013 at 9:07 pm

        Don’t know if its eBay but possibly. I think her mother posts them for her and they fetch big bucks

      • bauergirl
        04/23/2013 at 10:06 pm

        Ebay pulled her artwork awhile ago now her friend sells them on the jodiariasisinnocent.com site starting bid is $1,000.00. She has the picture she drew of Travis’s sister up for sell

      • 04/23/2013 at 10:42 pm

        I think she uses her drawing to escape from testimony she doesn’t want o acknowledge, maybe her DT advised her To do it so she shows no emotion and to avoid her lizard lip lickin faces and other snide faces and reactions.
        She has sold on eBay some of her artwork. Surprisingly some of her ‘portraits aren’t so bad. When I looked it up a while back some had sold for over $1000.00. eBay has recently taken the site down and she no longer can sell them there. She sells them now on a website that is hers I believe,
        When she put this out on twitter she seemed pleased remarking that the rarer they are and harder to collect she’ll be making more money, Shea also believes, as you all know, that she is brilliant and most likely believes she developed this strategy for marketing herself. She also claimed eArlier in the trial ( not clear on this…may have been an excerpt from journal) that some guy wanted to hang her art in his gallery when he was having a showing,,, thrilled to have her ART hung beside Van Gogh and another recognized master.
        She’s a delusional piece of shite and Wurmi is her slug
        I despise them
        But, Deanna today was after all, composed, honest and was able to hold her head high. She did not back down when asked graphic intrusive unnecessary questions. She unabashedly answered the questions and stood by Travis helping him get the Justice he deserves. .i rambled. Sorry
        Thank you Donchais for all you do and the freedom and space to discuss freely…
        I have an iPad and have a really hard time posting here. I might fill in a reply then I have no button to submit. A few other quirky things too. Ill figure it out eventually.
        Oh,oh, oh, before I forget,,,,,does anyone know how I can stream and read comments at same time? At least hear the et so frustrate when i cant reqd the live blog when watching. Audio? I think I once saw there was an “app for that” . I get frustrated when I can’t read live blog while watching/ listening. Thanks. Good night to all of you marvelous peep
        S. the info, banter snark and wit is highly appreciated. Ooo oh. I’m done. Way to wordy for me..

      • Jay
        04/23/2013 at 11:08 pm

        Deco – look at Double Browser app.

        It may allow the live court feed and this blog at the same time. But the iPad has been unreliable for me, for watching the live streaming feed. And it’s a pain in the butt in general on most WordPress blogs. blog – WordPress has always been finicky, and it’s Difficult to maneuver around in their themes.

        If you have access to a PC or Mac desktop those are better options for watching and commenting.

      • Anonymous
        04/24/2013 at 11:20 am

        That was my exact thought!! What a wierdo she is.

    • Lisa M
      04/23/2013 at 9:01 pm

      I think she’s definitely using them to self soothe. She stops drawing when her attorneys are questioning witnesses.

  11. meljodcat
    04/23/2013 at 8:42 pm

    Sorry, I Just had a quick question….One Day This Trial Will Get To The Point Where The Jury Will Deliberate…How Is It Then Decided Which Are The Actusl Jurors And Which Are The Alternates? Or Has That Already Been Decided. Side Note, Not Sure Why My Phone Is Capitalizing The First Letter In Every Word.

    • HJ Madison
      04/23/2013 at 11:19 pm

      The luck of the draw, literally. I have seen some courts put numbers in a hat. This will probably done by a random computer pick.

      • meljodcat
        04/24/2013 at 8:39 am

        Oh Ok Thank You.

  12. kristin
    04/23/2013 at 8:43 pm

    Will the jury ever hear the audio on video they showed today? Its a shame they haven’t heard it because its just more evidence of what a chameleon WOBO is. Sorry Pascal!

    • HJ Madison
      04/23/2013 at 11:21 pm

      No. It was apparently deemed “too prejudicial” because ….. like all of us noting how gruesomely similar the facts are in this case to TA story, no doubt the defense pointed this out and being ever cautious, the audio was not played.

    • Ginger
      04/24/2013 at 1:20 am

      It’s unreal that they can’t hear that only the blackmail phone recording that video really shows how she thinks she is just above it all specially what Travis was talking about im wonder if the jurors ask for the video can they listen to it in deliberation ?

      • HJ Madison
        04/24/2013 at 9:07 am

        Not even if they ask. You know, I don’t mean to appear pro-defense, but there really are reasons, as unfair as they may be, for all this. What did we think of the audio? It sounded like JA’s story …. like so many other bits, she used it to create JodiWorld. And we are speculating about that …. with good cause …. but speculating. And the judge does not want the jury to speculate about anything. She (and IMHO “we”) want it that way so JA will NEVER have a chance at a “do over”.

        Not to go off on a rant! Sorry!

  13. CrocTear Jodi
    04/23/2013 at 8:55 pm

    Aaack !!! what to heck were phoneytears Jodi and Wingnut Wilmott smiling about at the end of court today? Did they share the Jodi kool aid and migraine meds?

    • Tracey A
      04/24/2013 at 1:27 am

      OMG! Croc! Luv your name!

    • kristin
      04/24/2013 at 4:07 am

      Haha your name! Come sit down and talk some shit with us!

  14. Kristy
    04/23/2013 at 9:20 pm

    The whole gas can issue and phone issues should be enough to fry Jodi. Who would be so concerned driving without a functional cell where they could want cell service in case there’s a car issue. Given that she was so concerned over running out of gas, it seems illogical to believe that she wouldn’t have a fully charged phone during the trip. It’s like she wants folks to believe all kinds of stuff that don’t make sense.
    Who believes that anyone would screw with license tags in a Starbucks parking lot, where folks are in and out in minutes? Who would think of having oral sex in a Starbucks parking lot where the risk of someone coming by is great and yet, Jodi claimed TA was afraid of folks knowing about his sexual activities. She had the public fantasies, both Starbucks (unless she just ripped his zipper down) as well as on an off ramp. Jodi is so full of it, it’s so easy to see how she is superimposing her own thoughts and actions onto TA.
    I think she’s hoping to throw doubt on the jurors, and the jig seems to be obvious to the jurors at this point.

    • Lisa M
      04/23/2013 at 10:20 pm

      I agree with everything you said Kristy. Everything she says is so illogical and you’d have to wonder if the jury is insulted by the ridiculous claims she makes. Whoever heard of anyone unscrewing a license plate and turning it upside down on someone’s car, then screwing it back in as a prank?? Who would take that much time, not knowing when the person would come back? The defense couldn’t even question the facts about the gas cans or the gas purchases today. Their entire house of cards is built on lies but they play dirty and they’re obviously allowed to do it.

      • Kristy
        04/23/2013 at 10:25 pm

        What’s so insulting to anyone is that she would say this happens in a Starbucks parking lot, where folks are in and out like a fast food restaurant. To imply that skateboarders that also like to skate “rails” would like to keep a sharp object in thier pockets that could impale themselves, and be idiotic enough to mess with license plates in a busy parking lot. Simply idiotic.

    • Tracey A
      04/24/2013 at 2:35 am

      Kristy – My apologies, I forget where you are located. So if you are in SoCal, I mean no disrepect. But let me put this in perspective. In early March, I attended a birthday party dinner at a restaurant just down the street from the street from the Starbuck’s and the ARCO station in Pasadena where JA got her frapp and filled the gas cans. My GF (a fellow trial watcher) had her husband drive us though the parking lot (just to humor us). I can faithfully report that we saw no “hoodlum skaters” and this was right around 8-9pm. The “juvenile delinquents” around here would cause much more damage and destruction other than simply turning a license plate upside down (while carrying a handy dandy screwdriver around with them to remove the plate).

      JA also testiphonied that she was concerned because she was in a “bad neighborhood”. The homes above Foothill Blvd (right behind the Starbuck’s) are worth millions. This is a very big upscale real estate market here.

      Additionally, I have literally traveled JA’s route through the Mojave desert 100’s of times. Never, ONCE, did I consider carrying gas cans with me for fear of running out of gas. There are plenty of gas stations along the hwy’s and interstate’s. Bigger concerns when traveling during the summer months, through the desert, would be if my air conditioning broke down, got a flat tire or a complete car breakdown. Changing a tire on pavement or asphalt in 100 degree plus weather is virtually impossible. Seriously, you can get 2nd and 3rd degree burns because the blacktop is so hot. This is why I faithfully renew my AAA (American Automobile Association) membership every year. A tow truck is just a phone call away.

      And I’ve had to change a tire in 127 degree temps but that was an off-road situation. Also, I always travel with my dogs (which JA didn’t) so I would likely carry 15 gallons of fresh water just in case of a breakdown, not only to keep the dogs hydrated but to douse their fur in water to keep them cool (ironically JA testiphonied that she had a case of Costco water in the trunk along with three 5 gallon gas cans, her luggage, and numerous other things. In a Ford Focus??? Are you freakin’ kidding me???? No way!!! I drive a Chevy Tahoe and can’t carry that much crap with my dogs in the back let alone in a Ford Focus…

      And you are so right, JA’s just spinning tales here. But she is speaking to a Jury in Phoenix who are “used” to the heat in the desert. Would love to hear from any of them that regularly carry 15 gallons of gas on them without being overcome by the fumes. It’s just crazy thinking she’s trying to impart and this Jury surely can’t buy that BS.

      You go Girl. You hit the nail right on the head!!! 🙂

      • Marilyn N
        04/24/2013 at 12:43 pm

        I’ve thought about that car’s trunk size many times! Hope the jurors are on that one. And why would a single woman living with her grandparents shop at Costco? She threw that Costco name in to make it sound like she was saving so much money
        for her limited “budget”. Oh she is so despicable! SCREAMING NOW!!!!!😝

  15. 04/23/2013 at 10:19 pm

    Love your blog, First time I am posting a comment. Just want to mention, you ended the day’s trial coverage with the juror question to the computer guy, Det. Melendez, and he was asked about the deletion of the photos in Jodi’s camera. He was asked if the photos that were deleted on JUNE 4, 2008 were ONLY of Jodi and Travis, nude photos taken before and after the murder…and he said YES and was also asked, were there any other photos LEFT ON THE CAMERA that were NOT deleted, that were not taken that day? And he said YES, about 90. (**You accidentally stated that they were pornographic in your trial coverage. Those 90 photos left on the camera were regular NON-porn, not nude photos). This is important cause it shows that Jodi ONLY deleted the ones showing that she and Travis were TOGETHER that day and left all the others intact. They were purposefully deleted by someone in a supposed “FOG”. Yeah….sure, Jodi, We all believe that…thankfully a thinking JUROR also caught on about that as well!

    • 04/24/2013 at 10:26 am

      yaya.. which is why Juan is sooo smart.. he gets to all this subtly but very intentional. 😀 I don’t think it is lost on most of the jurors either. Hopefully they are all on to it but who knows.

      I think of that clip in the ‘fake it’ vid… the juror question ‘Do you think we are that f^$%$ing stupid?”.. let’s hope none of them are!

      That’s the great thing about Juan.. he respects the jury, he trusts they will understand his very clever strategies. That’s why I love him. He’s so smart and he doesn’t dumb it down.

      • 04/24/2013 at 3:16 pm

        What “fake it” video? Do you have a link or something? Sorry if this was already posted at some point. I’m not able to get on here often.

  16. 04/23/2013 at 10:21 pm

    Oops. see my comment above. I meant to say, TRAVIS’S CAMERA, not Jodi’s camera….sorry…

  17. Lisa M
    04/23/2013 at 10:46 pm

    Exactly. That’s why some people on this site call this trial the rabbit hole as in Alice in Wonderland. You have to enter an alternate universe where common sense doesn’t exist!

  18. 04/23/2013 at 10:47 pm

    What would be the strategy behind not having the Hugheses testify on behalf of the prosecution?

    • HJ Madison
      04/23/2013 at 11:30 pm

      Hey, I thought you ditched that name?

      I am guessing here but Hughes were called early on (weeks ago) outside of the presence of the jury. They were questioned about their contact with the Prosecutor etc. I think JM got in what he needed today without Hughes, by way of Deanna, and without giving Nurmi free license to make them appear to have been “feeding” info to JM just to put little JA away!

      • 04/24/2013 at 12:12 am

        I did change. Think b/c I did it from pc and that last comment was from iPad. We’ll see if this works. Tx for info on the Hugheses.

  19. Moon
    04/23/2013 at 10:49 pm

    My anger and disgust has reached a new level today.

    – wurmi you POS… you are the lowest scum of the earth you pig WTH occured in YOUR childhood that makes you get off on this crap? wonder wth the police would find on YOUR computer you sick F**K. shame on you. wonder how much pride your parents are feeling for you right now. i hope karma bites you 100 fold.
    – willnot you whiny bitch. you, more than anyone else today,should be so ashamed of yourself. once again i ask, how the hell do you sleep at night? the shenanigans you pulled in court today were deplorable, at best. to see you take pleasure in watching Travis’ family continue to cry their hearts out over all this makes me wish very very bad things for you. i also hope that karma pays you in kind. You are a spoiled rotten brat and you have been drinking far too much jodijuice. I hope this case haunts you the rest of your life, especially after you realize just how much juice you drank. Hang your head in shame, that’s all you will have left.
    – the ho is more than a waste of skin, she IS the devil’s SPAWN. Guess what, GOOD ALWAYS PREVAILS OVER EVIL. Not only do I hope her body continues to attack her, but may that crazy f**Ked up brain she has gnaw away at her until she implodes. The ho isn’t so FN much, no matter how much she think she is. Time for her to take herself off that fn pedestal. I keep hoping she will just off herself b4 the verdict but we know we won’t be that lucky. IF there are any real tears shed by her, it will ONLY be after the GUILTY 1st DEGREE verdict is read. On the other hand, I wouldn’t be surprised if she only shows more anger after GUILTY 1st DEGREE verdict is given.

    • Ginger
      04/24/2013 at 1:22 am

      Great post Moon I feel your Rage!

    • Tracey A
      04/24/2013 at 3:46 am

      LMAO!!! And I only read the first sentence…going back in for more.

      How are ya, GF!!!! You crack me up…still trying to get caught up before tomorrow. As usual!!!

    • 04/24/2013 at 7:52 am

      Thanks Moon for your insightful post. I think many of us share your thoughts and feelings.

    • 04/24/2013 at 10:27 am

      LMAO!! Moon I love it when you don’t hold back!! 😀

  20. Moon
    04/23/2013 at 10:54 pm

    To Travis’ family: May the Love and the LIght from Travis and from God continue to carry you through during this time. You are truly an inspiration for us all. May the closeness and the bond you show as a family seep through to the juror’s hearts.
    God Bless You All

    • Lisa M
      04/23/2013 at 11:24 pm


      • MMD
        04/24/2013 at 10:42 am

        Double ditto

  21. 04/23/2013 at 10:59 pm

    Lisa M. I think she most definitely entered an alternate Universe… To be know forever more as Alyce in Juan-derlland !!
    We can only hope common sense prevails there.

    • Lisa M
      04/23/2013 at 11:36 pm

      From your mouth to the jury’s ears!

  22. 04/23/2013 at 11:05 pm

    The story about the license plate is bull. Jody did this with the license plate to be difficult to report for any reason. There are cameras in almost all parking lots these days. I would think that Starbucks has this security taken care of. The prosecutor should have this checked if he hasn’t already. Juan is brilliant and wouldn’t leave this stone unturned, I would hope. Also, Wal-Mart has cameras on all registers. Gas stations have cameras on all pumps. There are postings everywhere that there are cameras monitoring 24/7. All of this could be checked for back up evidence. They could check for the 3rd purchase for gas that was paid in cash with video to nail Jodi to this. A defense attorney on HLN was trying to claim that a person could have come in very close behind to purchase 5 gallons of gas and that it would not necessarily be Jodi that made the that third gas purchase on that pump. I know the jury probably won’t go for that crap, but just to seal the deal it would be great to get footage on all of her shananigans (sp).

  23. 04/23/2013 at 11:15 pm

    Now that the defense want manslaughter added to the jury instructions – does that now mean JA isn’t in a “fog” and remembers everything?. Her mom can quit being a phony and stop wearing that DV ribbon? Noted twin sister was back today – oh where oh where has she been?

    • Lisa M
      04/23/2013 at 11:35 pm

      I think the defense tried to get manslaughter included before and are just trying again. I’m not sure but I think someone said that.

      • HJ Madison
        04/23/2013 at 11:38 pm

        I think their request was defered until the judge could see what evidence would come in.

  24. 04/23/2013 at 11:18 pm

    I also find it truly amazing all the really negative comments made about ALV on Amazon. Her book reviews are being used by people to voice how much her testimony has ANGERED so many. It is sad in a way, because in her early stages of testimony she really addressed the DV issue and it made sense. I mean early stages, and it really went down hill from there. I still don’t know for sure what the Big Picture is. I don’t think this is what she had in mind when this all started, but she continued to go down that dangerous road the Dummy Defense and Jodi paved for her.

    • 04/24/2013 at 10:40 am

      The problem is she hooked all that knowledge to a gravy train. To suggest, with absolutely no proof but the word of a liar and a selective interpretation of a few relevant emails, that Travis was guilty of high intensity DV and paedophillia is beyond disgusting.

      Nobody builds that malicious kind of character overnight. It’s been there for a long time. It’s paradoxical to speak against abuse, devote your life to it and then sit in open court and perform groundless character assassination. Not to mention leaving an already devastated family in tears…. and for what?? Recognition and money?

      To me such a person deserves nothing but disdain and she has outed her real character.

      • MMD
        04/24/2013 at 10:47 am

        Ditto – I think you speak for all of us who have been victims of DV!!!!!!!!

      • 04/24/2013 at 2:15 pm

        well said Syn – I wonder how her book sales went yesterday (April 23) that was the re-release date.

  25. 04/23/2013 at 11:27 pm

    Jay :
    Deco – look at Double Browser app.
    It may allow the live court feed and this blog at the same time. But the iPad has been unreliable for me, for watching the live streaming feed. And it’s a pain in the butt in general on most WordPress blogs. blog – WordPress has always been finicky, and it’s Difficult to maneuver around in their themes.
    If you have access to a PC or Mac desktop those are better options for watching and commenting.

    Thanks jay. Let me first say I have been enjoying all your postings nd have wanted to reply to you as we’ll as others but there is something funky with the iPad and WordPress and me. I do have a laptop but my husband monopolizes it and to be perfectly honest I do prefer my until the rare situation arises like this. I really need to at least hear the audio while
    Following here on the live blog. I’m going to look for Double Browser app now. It would be such a relief. I get so frustrated when I want to express a thought or opinion and. Need to leave the page or feed and refresh. By the time im back here there have alreqdy been multiple posts on what i was thinking about. Ad we all know redundancy sucks. lol. To have them run concurrently would be great.
    Thanks faoryour response. I didn’t think anyone would see my question.

    • HJ Madison
      04/23/2013 at 11:34 pm

      hey Deco, I am strictly Ipad most days. Get “Dual Browser” — a free version. You can load the live feed on one side and then load the blog on the other. You can “maximize” which the blog while the stream continues. It works GREAT! You will need to refresh, but you do not loose the feed. And when you comment it will automatically refresh.

      • 04/23/2013 at 11:48 pm

        Madison,,, thanks for the app and the hints on refreshing.. It should make it that much easier to connect with all. Yippee. jay suggested the same one too. Off to load for tomorrow and hope I’m literate enough to use it properly. i so appreciate the replies. I always get lost in here as I’m always too late to comment.

      • Jay
        04/24/2013 at 12:34 am

        There’s a Duel Browser and a Double Browser app. Both free. I don’t know which is better, but if HJ likes Duel, try that one first

      • 04/24/2013 at 7:57 am

        HJ, which dual browser did you download? I went into the App Store to check it out once Syn mentioned this but there are multiple options and I haven’t had a chance to identify the differences. Tx

      • HJ Madison
        04/24/2013 at 8:50 am

        So this is a link I think???. It is “Dual Browser” — free version by David Benitez Aparicio


    • 04/24/2013 at 5:30 am

      Hi Deco, i was put onto Dual Browser last week and it does work on the ipad BUT you still have to refresh the CFJ for new comments and then flick down to the bottom. Still better than switching screens.

  26. 04/23/2013 at 11:43 pm

    I’m trying to paste a caricature here witha link to Lauren Spitzbergs website . Hope it works and causes no problems in moderation she’s really quite good. Captures Nurmi et all brilliantly. If it works, please enjoy. 😉

    • HJ Madison
      04/23/2013 at 11:55 pm

      Very clever! I liked Wilnot too.

    • Kristy
      04/24/2013 at 12:11 am

      I think all the Nurmi nose picking has been sign language to Jodi. Sign language that Jodi thought no one would pick up on. Jodi seems to have a special language with her team that she thinks is to subtle for the rest of the world to see.

    • Jay
      04/24/2013 at 12:23 am

      Illustrations reminiscent of Dos Passos’ artwork in USA Trilogy…

      Like your icon. If you don’t already know, Parish’s daughter was the model.

    • 04/24/2013 at 12:54 am

      …and that I did, enjoy that is. Was great. Tx

    • 04/24/2013 at 3:38 am

      Love those caricatures. Also read a couple of interesting posts on that site too. Thanks for that link Deco

    • Lisa M
      04/24/2013 at 6:25 am

      Thanks! I enjoyed that!

    • Moon
      04/24/2013 at 10:34 am

      thanks for sharing these … very good work!

      gonna look and see if the wurm’s watch is in that pic…. since it’s clear he overcompensates with that watch!! makes up for the gross chubby that he can no longer find!!! (puking now)

      • MMD
        04/24/2013 at 10:51 am

        well at least we know he won’t be reproducing any time soon 😉

  27. Kristy
    04/23/2013 at 11:58 pm

    Maybe I’m reaching, but it seems like part of the prosecutor strategy is to show in as minimal time witnesses. I think this shows the state doesn’t need to spend oodles of $$$ on witnesses because witnesses need little time to tell the truth.

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 12:23 am

      You got it! And, as you noticed, the longer someone is one the stand the more convoluted it ALL gets! No, with JM it is get them on and off …. no point lingering and letting them say stuff that may hurt more than help.

  28. Jay
    04/24/2013 at 12:25 am

    HJ – any idea who’s still on JM’s rebuttal list?
    Or what’s going on tomorrow morning away from the jury?

  29. 04/24/2013 at 12:36 am

    Donchais thanks for the recap. When I can’t keep awake your ‘daily’ blog post is the first I go to before hitting you youtube.

  30. NancyB
    04/24/2013 at 12:56 am

    Donchais – Your re-cap filled me all in on today’s court happenings as I couldn’t watch today. Totally agree when you mentioned “All this in-chambers bullshittery just has to stop!”
    Amen to that! I have NEVER seen a trial that had 1/3 or more of all testimony in chambers and not in open court. Never seen it to this degree, ever and I don’t think that serves “we the people” well at all.

    • 04/24/2013 at 1:00 am

      *** waves *** hi NancyB 🙂

  31. Tracey A
    04/24/2013 at 1:00 am

    Note to Jim Add bullshittery to your list if not already on there.

    • Jim
      04/24/2013 at 8:26 am

      that doesn’t really google too well – settle for chicanery?

      • Tracey A
        04/24/2013 at 2:46 pm

        LOL! Perfect!!

  32. Douglme
    04/24/2013 at 1:17 am

    Well that was quite a day today! Wurmi is such a pig! I swear he gets a chubby every time he uses those disgusting words. Why else would he keep bringing them up???

    • Tracey A
      04/24/2013 at 1:22 am

      LMAO! Hi Mel! ***waves*** 😀

      • Douglme
        04/24/2013 at 1:31 am

        Hi Tracey…***waves*** to you too! Tomorrow should be another good day for JM. Felt pretty good today, except for the Worms cross…and all the delays again! Wonder what is going to be going on tomorrow morning now?

    • 04/24/2013 at 1:25 am

      Mel.. can you not reference that particular part of Wormy in ANY way! I’d rather just pretend it doesn’t exist!

      • Douglme
        04/24/2013 at 1:27 am

        Well, I can pretty much imagine, he hasn’t seen it for years! lol…

      • 04/24/2013 at 1:28 am

        LOLOL oh not doubt about that.. not even sure he can even reach it!

      • Tracey A
        04/24/2013 at 5:33 am

        LMAO! In prior posts I said Wurmi was sporting a “woody” during the anal, penial, vaginal, blah blah blah 🙄 Then Mel’s way of succinct “chubby” came in. Deal with it GF! We’ve seen worse in this trial. ROFLMAO!!!!

      • ctc111
        04/24/2013 at 10:37 am

        HI ALL!

      • 04/24/2013 at 10:44 am

        what trying to find evidence it’s still there? maybe that’s why he keeps talking about all the anal etc… trying to get some sense he isn’t a eunuch.

    • 04/24/2013 at 5:45 am

      chubby 😆 I did see some this morning and thought he was being particularly gross given he clearly doesn’t like Jodi so why be so disgusting to a friend of Travis because she was treated with respect by Travis. Jodi set the game rules and Travis played along until he became so disgusted and realised she was the evil sicko and wanted to have nothing more to do with her. Yes Nurmi, they did have a different type of relationship, Deanna was normal, Jodi is not.

  33. 04/24/2013 at 1:27 am

    Bet Jodi is wishing she knew this before testifying.. then she would have said she left the gas can at register 12 (not in operation) and left the store without a refund cos she was in a hurry.

  34. Schaeffer
    04/24/2013 at 1:28 am

    Tracey — hey! I asked you this earlier today, but I’ll save you the time to find it since the days are kind of wonky. Is the drive from SLC to Redding via Winnemucca and Sparks a mountainous trek? Is this the most direct route from SLC to Redding? WOBO bought 24 gallons of gas in SLC — 9 gallons for car and 15 gallons for the 3 cans. She also bought gas in Winnemucca and Sparks, plus Redding. I can understand Redding because it is standard practice to return a rental car with a full tank. However, what was she doing with all that gas in the cans? She didn’t return the cans to Darryl, so that isn’t the answer. What do you think?

    • 04/24/2013 at 1:33 am

      can you not use SLC… cos me dunno whats SLC, sorry… 😦

      • Douglme
        04/24/2013 at 1:39 am

        Salt Lake City

      • 04/24/2013 at 1:46 am

        ohh!! lol Doh.. here’s me sitting here thinking.. ok S = southern C = California but wtf is the “L”

        thanks Mel!!! so obvious now!!

    • traceya1
      04/24/2013 at 4:48 am

      Don’t save me the time Schaeffer! I already responded to you…several times, with no response from you. But I’ll go back and get it just so ya know…brb…

    • Tracey A
      04/24/2013 at 5:05 am

      04/23/2013 at 9:05 pm | #949
      Reply | Quote

      Schaeffer :
      WOBO bought 24 gallons of gas in SLC, but also bought gas in Winnemucca, NV, Sparks, NV, and Redding, CA. I can understand Redding, as it is common practice to return a rental car with a full tank. The others, though, I’m not sure about.
      Tracey, help me out here. Is Salt Lake to Redding via Wunnemucca and Sparks a mountainous trek? Why would she be buying all that gas? She had obviously used what was in the 3 cans earlier in the trip. She never returned the gas cans to Darryl, so that wasn’t the reason she filled the cans. What do you think?

      Schaeffer – I am unfamiliar with I-80 east of Lovelock, NV (Winnemucca, NV is another 73.49 miles further east) but the topography shown on my road atlas indicates that this not a mountainous area.

      However, I-80 west from Sparks, NV to Redding, CA is very mountainous terrain as you have to crossover the Sierra Nevada Range through the Tahoe Nat’l Forest. She had enough gas she purchased for the fuel tank in the car to easily make the longest stretch of the route which was SLC to Winnemucca [Mapquest 4.59 hrs 353.69 miles].

      I can only speculate as to why she filled the gas cans between SLC and Sparks. Venturing a guess, I would say that her own car, waiting for her at the rental agency, was I likely running on fumes and she knew this. I think she was probably pressured on time knowing that Travis’ body would be discovered at some point and needed to get back to Yreka ASAP. But that’s simply a guess.

    • Tracey A
      04/24/2013 at 5:08 am

      See below Schaeffer…I not only responded but I researched as well! . Did you get the one prior to this??? Otherwise, I will go back and look for that as well.

      • Tracey A
        04/24/2013 at 5:10 am

        * ABOVE…

      • Tracey A
        04/24/2013 at 5:15 am

        Did you see this one several threads ago??? No response from you as of yet but let me repost here…

        Schaeffer – I may have missed your post about the braids. But I’ve missed a lot over this past week. 😦

        Here ya go… (new theo
        04/23/2013 at 9:05 pm | #949
        Reply | Quote

        Schaeffer :
        WOBO bought 24 gallons of gas in SLC, but also bought gas in Winnemucca, NV, Sparks, NV, and Redding, CA. I can understand Redding, as it is common practice to return a rental car with a full tank. The others, though, I’m not sure about.
        Tracey, help me out here. Is Salt Lake to Redding via Wunnemucca and Sparks a mountainous trek? Why would she be buying all that gas? She had obviously used what was in the 3 cans earlier in the trip. She never returned the gas cans to Darryl, so that wasn’t the reason she filled the cans. What do you think?

        Schaeffer – I am unfamiliar with I-80 east of Lovelock, NV (Winnemucca, NV is another 73.49 miles further east) but the topography shown on my road atlas indicates that this not a mountainous area.

        However, I-80 west from Sparks, NV to Redding, CA is very mountainous terrain as you have to crossover the Sierra Nevada Range through the Tahoe Nat’l Forest. She had enough gas she purchased for the fuel tank in the car to easily make the longest stretch of the route which was SLC to Winnemucca [Mapquest 4.59 hrs 353.69 miles].

        I can only speculate as to why she filled the gas cans between SLC and Sparks. Venturing a guess, I would say that her own car, waiting for her at the rental agency, was I likely running on fumes and she knew this. I think she was probably pressured on time knowing that Travis’ body would be discovered at some point and needed to get back to Yreka ASAP. But that’s simply a guess.
        ry and Ah-ha moment included)
        I am convinced that JA came down Pacific Coast Hwy (PCH). That would’ve added immeasurable time to her arrival in Pasadena. When I watched Mickee D’s vid that Syn posted a few days back, he delved into that briefly but maintains she came down Hwy 101. Plus, JA worked at Ventana. I don’t recall any evidence being brought in that she may have stopped there to see old friends, coworkers but I think it’s a distinct possibility. She was borrowing money from many so it makes sense that she would try at Ventana as well, likely without success.

        As she proceeded south down PCH she would stop take pictures…reflect. It’s what I would do and have done many times. I believe that she then picked up Hwy 101 in San Luis Obispo as PCH ends here and is not really accessible again until Avila Beach (a bit further south).

        Depending on what time JA picked up the 101 she was, likely, facing huge traffic jams as she proceeded south towards Pasadena adding more time for her approximate arrival around 8pm as the gas receipts indicate.

        As far as leaving Pasadena…I WAS inclined to believe that she did take I-40 (via I-210 to I-15 to I-40 then cut off onto Hwy 93 east of Kingman, AZ [Mapquest 8.15 hrs 516.09 miles]). I believed this based on the the interrogation tapes. JA throws out to Det. Flores that she “got lost on I-40″. And as Det. Flores tells her ” this doesn’t make sense” she then throws out “Oh, did I mention I was on I-10 as well?”. Like many others on this site, I believe there is some truth in most of her lies. At first, I believed I-10 was absurd and out of the question. But when I reread my previous post with road atlas in hand something jumped out on me and it was an AH-HA moment.
        I still maintain this part of the route (I-40 via I-210 to I-15 to I-40) but instead of proceeding further east on I-40 to pick up Hwy 93, she picked up Hwy 95 just east of Needles, CA.[Mapquest 7.56 hrs 508.50 miles] This would take her south to I-10 and right through the town of Ehrenberg, AZ!! I firmly believe this is the route she took. She wanted to reminisce about the time she spent with Travis in Ehrenberg. I know she trashed Travis on the stand during her direct testiphony by stating he “slapped” her across the face or “jaw” (as ALV belabored in her testiphony) and “forced” her to perform oral sex, none of which I believe BTW. I think they actually had a nice time together on this trip. Twice (once in an interrogation video and once in one of her TV interviews) she glowingly recounts how sweet and giving Travis was when he saw the homeless lady and went to a Wendy’s burger joint to buy her food and drink.

        Now, not knowing exactly what time she arrived in Mesa, JA may have just “lurked” outside of Travis’ home peering in windows; making sure he was alone, etc. That thought alone creeps me out!

        After brutally murdering Travis I speculate that she left Mesa and headed to Mesquite, NV via Hwy 93 to I-15 in Las Vegas [Mapquest 6.33 hrs 383.45 miles]. Here, I believe she refueled on gas, likely paying cash. From there, she traveled north on I-15 headed to West Jordon, UT

        Total miles from Pasadena, CA to Mesquite, NV (rounded) = 892 miles
        Fuel tank capacity on Ford Focus 14.0 gal + 15.0 gal in gas cans = 29 gal
        Avg fuel economy on Ford Focus (this varied by source) 27city/37hwy =32 mpg (Majority of this drive is all open highway)
        Fuel capacity x avg mpg = 928

        JA would certainly be cutting things close but I can’t rule out that she didn’t stop to fill the fuel tank possibly in Needles or Blythe, CA or even Ehrenberg, AZ (that would be hugely risky though) paid cash and tossed the receipt. JA only kept the receipts that she thought benefited her (LOL). Additionally, here in CA there are some gas stations where you can pay cash at the pump without having to go inside to the clerk.
        I didn’t cover the drive from West Jordon, UT back to Yreka, CA because, for me, “there is nothing noteworthy to report”. I can’t really speculate on anything from Mesa to Mesquite because I’m not as familiar with that route.

      • Tracey A
        04/24/2013 at 5:45 am

        You’ll have to get past the repost from above but these were two entirely different docs on my LT. One did not include the other. So you’ll have to figure where I started the first post – hint – “I am convinced…” and go on from there.

    • kCruz123
      04/24/2013 at 5:15 am

      Hi Schaeffer, I just read that about having to return the rental car with a full tank and yep that’s right but I think I heard or read somewhere along this crazy route that she returned the car with Baer little gas and so she had to pay the Big Bucks (Cruz you know they charge you like 3 times the real price/per gallon. It stuck in my mind because I had heard that she did the rental car thing to save money. But then I saw that she didn’t take it back with a full tank, which just added to other factors that would clearly show that she didn’t get the rental for that reason).

      • kCruz123
        04/24/2013 at 5:17 am

        Oh great, thanks auto correct! That should read ‘barely any gas’ and also ‘Big Bucks (cuz you know). 🙂

  35. Ginger
    04/24/2013 at 1:32 am

    How can it be heat of passion if Hodi cannot remember what happened?

  36. Douglme
    04/24/2013 at 1:49 am

    Syntara :
    ohh!! lol Doh.. here’s me sitting here thinking.. ok S = southern C = California but wtf is the “L”
    thanks Mel!!! so obvious now!!

    No problem, that is where Ryan Burns (WOBO alibi) was located in Utah. 😀

    • 04/24/2013 at 2:08 am

      yup got it now! I think Utah not SLC that is what threw me. All this geography is new to me . As me bout other countries and I’d be ok.. but not good with US stuff! I’m trying to remember the places tho! 😀

      • Douglme
        04/24/2013 at 2:11 am

        I am from BC, Canada myself but pretty up with my geography! :lol

      • 04/24/2013 at 2:21 am

        ya until I start saying.. the trip ws from Pth to BBY to MR down to DNG and finished in AL!

        Not that I get!!! Bet you don’t 😛

      • 04/24/2013 at 2:24 am

        ** oops should be.. now that I get ** ditzy me

  37. 04/24/2013 at 2:03 am

    Channels Mickee Daniels Voice:

    Jodi is sooooo stupid.. she think she is smart keeps aww receipts because the at good pwace.,… BUT forgwets someone thinking…. “wtf does she have so many items on receipts at the same place at same stop? This rook bery strange. What she be doing”.

    Jodi think she so smart cos she don’t purchase the fuel near Travis, no reave tracks.. but Jodi keep incriminating receipt in her room, shows mom.. “rook mom I didnt go there.. see here are my receipts” Mom accept Jodi story not think it strange why Jodi keep receipts.

    Rucky Jodi Mom not bery smart or Jodi might have rearnt to think better!

    • Anonymous
      04/24/2013 at 3:32 am


    • kristin
      04/24/2013 at 4:15 am

      ROR! (Raugh Out Roud!)

    • Lisa M
      04/24/2013 at 5:54 am

      Major Lols! Where can I find Mickee Damiels’ videos? Can u post another one Syn?

    • Tracey A
      04/24/2013 at 6:07 am

      No listen Honey Child! He sounds like Mickee D minus the hat…just sayin’! And I’ve heard your awesome accent. Music to my ears! 😀

    • Moon
      04/24/2013 at 10:29 am

      too funny!

  38. 04/24/2013 at 2:39 am

    How long was Jodi actually ‘with’ Travis officially? 3 months? 5 months at most?

    • Schaeffer
      04/24/2013 at 2:54 am

      Five months — February to June of 2007

    • Moon
      04/24/2013 at 10:40 am

      5 mo.. or…….. just about as long as this trial!

  39. Douglme
    04/24/2013 at 2:46 am

    Syntara :
    ya until I start saying.. the trip ws from Pth to BBY to MR down to DNG and finished in AL!
    Not that I get!!! Bet you don’t

    That’s right! I would have to find a map and look it up…8-O

    • 04/24/2013 at 4:57 am

      ya see me and maps don’t mix too good Mel! A girl’s gotsta know her limutashuns!

  40. Douglme
    04/24/2013 at 2:46 am

    Or is that :shock

  41. Douglme
    04/24/2013 at 2:47 am

    Or is that 😯

  42. 04/24/2013 at 3:25 am

    what is the point of wormy bringing up all that bad stuff about Travis .. is that all just to upset teh Alexander family? Does he seriously think any of that is going to win any jurors? Maybe it would win a nurmi juror but heaven help us if there is more than one Nurmi walking this earth!!!

    • Dewey
      04/24/2013 at 6:13 am

      Deanna did a good job in showing that travis was a nice guy, treated her well, no cursing, respected her. Nurmi wasnt looking for any new information with his questions, but wanted to remind the jury of the bad things Travis said to Jodi, to make him look like the bad guy since Deanna described him as a good guy. The worst thing she could say about him was that he didnt want to get married yet and thats not even a bad thing.

      • 04/24/2013 at 9:29 am

        yaya Dewey,, sorry that bit was kinda rhetorical (I shoulda splained better)

    • Marilyn N
      04/24/2013 at 12:31 pm

      I guess Lumpy Wormi must think the jurors were all virgins before marriage!!

      • 04/24/2013 at 12:44 pm

        I think he was trying to make her cry. To make it seem like there was more to the story than what she was admitting. That’s what I think he was doing.

  43. 04/24/2013 at 3:32 am

    oooh Jodi didn’t like the sexual monster comments she felt that.. she recognised that Juan may have been inferring that was her… … that stung her because she felt caught out.. oooo feeling if she’s still tweeting a nasty text about Juan baby would be coming out for that one!!

    • Lisa M
      04/24/2013 at 6:04 am

      What’s the sexual monster question? I must have missed that one!

      • 04/24/2013 at 9:26 am

        LisaM It wasn;t really a question per se it was more Juan put it into a question.. he said paraphrasing .. “He didn’t turn into some kind of sexual monster and demand sex from you after you split up did he?” The camera pans to Jodistein and shows her pretty much wince. Well to me I saw an obvious wince.

  44. 04/24/2013 at 3:42 am

    oooo sexy voice MIchael Manendez is back.. now listening to him on the phone could be very dangerous for me!! 😛

    • Tracey A
      04/24/2013 at 6:00 am

      He still sounds like Mickee D… 🙄

      • 04/24/2013 at 9:21 am

        wtf 😯 you think Michael Manendez sounds like Mickee D? Are you deaf woman????

  45. Tracey A
    04/24/2013 at 5:20 am

    Something is going on with WordPress here…posts are not coming out correctly. My example is to Schaeffer above. I c&p’d from my other file and WP included my previous post. You can read between the lines. When things are sorted out, I will repost IF need be…

    Sorry folks, don’t mean to bore you with the minutiae…

  46. 04/24/2013 at 6:16 am

    Really lovely pic of Travis and Deanna – he may not have been ready to marry but he sure looked happy being with her.

    • 04/24/2013 at 9:09 am

      How my goodness! How cute are they! I know we shouldn’t talk about what if…..but what if he had married her? He never would have come across that serpent!! He would still be alive, and we would have no reason to be here!

    • 04/24/2013 at 9:31 am

      yah that is a nice pic.. he looks way more like he wants to be there than when you see him in most of his pics with Jodi.

      • Midnight Rider
        04/24/2013 at 5:00 pm

        I agree, Syntara! Every picture I’ve seen of Travis and WOBO looks like SHE’S the one “in heaven” and Travis just looks sad or obligated to be in the photo or something! Anybody else notice how WOBO’s eyes look possessed in the pictures? No soul at all, just pure EVIL!!! Go, go Mr. Juanderful! LOVE how he is such a pitbull with this case!!!

  47. 04/24/2013 at 9:06 am

    Good Morning, ALL. Donchais….thx for your great recap….no one does it like you! Often imitated, but never duplicated!

    I can’t stop laughing about poor JM, when Wurmi asked to approach, and JM jumped up to go to sidebar, and lumpy didn’t! I loved how JM tried to play it off with Det. Flores, but it was SO cute and funny! Poor thing must have nightmares about approach…..jumps out of bed, and starts to run to the sidebar, before he realizes he’s at home! I thought it was hysterical!

    • 04/24/2013 at 9:30 am

      **waves** hello WITJ 😀

      Must have missed that bit… nothing springing to mind

      • 04/24/2013 at 10:28 am

        Hi Syn, it was towards the end of the day. I think someone else commented on it. Nurmi said “Judge may I approach”, bcuz he wanted to approach the witness on the stand, but JM thought he meant to the bench!! He jumps up….and starts walking towards the bench….then sat down really quickly…smiling and talking with Det. Flores, who was trying really hard not to laugh at him! I will see if I can find where exactly it is for you!

      • 04/24/2013 at 10:43 am

        thanks.. I’m just watching something.. I’ll have a look after it finishes. Just needed the near the end of the day.

        I remember the asking to approach and him going to the witness.. to give her that thing to read.. so I’ll find it 😀
        thanks heaps for the reference point.

  48. 04/24/2013 at 9:20 am


    Here’s a Mickee D vid to start you off:

    Jodi Arias FAQ for dummies:

    • katz63md
      04/24/2013 at 10:15 am

      I would love to see the DT go to lunch in that car. Clown car for a group of clowns.

      • Lisa M
        04/24/2013 at 11:48 am

        I couldn’t stop laughing when he showed that car! Omg so funny! No fat jokes but I’d love to see LaViorrete and Nurmi go to lunch in this car. He’s so great!

    • Lisa M
      04/24/2013 at 11:09 am

      Thank you, thank you, thank you, Syntara! I need some Mickee D today!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/24/2013 at 11:38 am

      Syntara has now given us two whole categories: psychological profiling and Mikee D, who makes many of us ROR.

      • 04/24/2013 at 11:46 am

        I rove mickeeeeee D!!!!!

  49. 04/24/2013 at 9:57 am

    HJ Madison :
    So this is a link I think???. It is “Dual Browser” — free version by David Benitez Aparicio

    Thanks very much HJ!

    • 04/24/2013 at 10:54 am

      🙂 Lisa, Thanks so much for this link, I asked yesterday if there was an app to stream and follow comments here at a the same time. Someone (maybe you?) suggested one and when I wanted to get it this morning ihad forgotten the name and couldn’t find it again. upstairs.
      Now, gratefully the link itself is right here. I installed it immediately.
      🙂 Thanks Donchais for all you do. You’ve managed to bring together an unbelievable cst of characters who keep me constantly amused and informed. The range of knowledge here is appreciated more every day.
      🙂 Jay . I had no idea that the woman in avatar is Parrish’s daughter, primo example of why I love this forum. Every day I can learn something new.

      • 04/24/2013 at 10:59 am

        Oy !!! HJ,Thank You for the link. Lisa, thank you for reposting HJ’s original,link.

  50. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 10:22 am


  51. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 10:26 am

    The ho seems to write something down for that slime willnot to view, then erases it. yesterday, it seemed like she was numbering pages, but seems to me she leaves a page or 2 b4 the next ‘numbered’ page. I am wondering if she now erases a lot of her entries… maybe she thinks they will be confinscated?
    I still am hoping that her “tweets” can be brought in during the penelty phase…..

    • Family of Law
      04/24/2013 at 10:37 am

      G’mornin Moon- I LOVED your rant last night- you said what what’s been rolling around in my head- thanks! I particularly liked you saying Wurmi was a “sick F**K! It’s what I say to him through my iPad!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/24/2013 at 11:41 am

      Me too. Every so often, I’m glad somebody does that. I find myself – like many here- caught up in the capillaries of the process and, to ourselves or reading of others, its good to think again of the 62 seconds and the evil that worked then on a lovely guiy.

  52. Wendy
    04/24/2013 at 10:30 am

    Good Morning everyone!!!!

    • 04/24/2013 at 10:48 am

      Hiii Wendy 😀

  53. Observer
    04/24/2013 at 10:34 am

    Deanna Reid and Jacob Medford were great rebuttal witnesses because they showed Travis was a wholesome normal loving, caring fun guy who treated women with affection and respect and when he called Jodi names it was because she encouraged him to talk dirty to her or she provoked him to anger because she was lying and “invading his privacy” as Dr. DeMarte put it.

    Nurmi’s attempt to prove Travis was a “sexual monster” by exposing that Deanna and he had sex for a year the last year of their relationship and that was a violation of the church’s Law of Chastity BACKFIRED big time because Deanna was honest, took responsibility and said exactly what the jury needed to hear.

    “We were in love and when you are in love, that’s what you do. We were human and we made mistakes.”

    She also shredded the defense accusation that Travis was lying about being a virgin. She said when people would ask him if he was a virgin, he would make a joke. She said he didn’t talk about his sex life because what happens in the bedroom between men and women is private.

    Deanna also destroyed the defense claim that Travis was a sex maniac who had to have sex immediately from every woman he met. Deanna said they didn’t have sex until they had dated for four years and after a year of sex they went to their respective bishops, lost their temple recommends and repented and never did it again. When she broke up with Travis because she wanted to get married and he didn’t, Deanna said he cried and so did she. Deanna said Travis treated her with respect, never raised his voice to her, hit her or asked her for sex after they went their separate ways.

    The jury saw that Deanna and Travis had such love and respect for each other that she remained friends with him from 1998 until 2008 when he was murdered and she is caring for his dog Napoleon.

    The woman who knew him the longest and who was in his bedroom “many times” NEVER saw any pictures, toys or evidence of children being in his bedroom the 10 years she knew him as a friend and lover.

    Deanna is a shining example of an LDS woman because she is honest, educated, stable, a career woman, religious and human. She admitted she made a mistake because she was in love and she repented and moved on. She told the jury Travis never cheated on her. When Deanna was on her LDS mission he wrote her a letter and said he wanted to date other women. That is common. Many LDS men and women who are on missions get Dear John letters because 18 to 24 months is a long time to be separated from your loved one. Travis wasn’t a womanizing cad who broke her heart. He was normal.

    Deanna proved that Travis had a loving, caring monogamous relationship with her from 2002 to 2005 and they remained friends afterwards.

    Mimi Hall and Lisa Andrews Diadone also testified that when they broke up with him, he never got angry at them. They also said he never hit them, called them names or pushed sex on them.

    From the questions the juror asked Lisa, Jodi, the psychology experts and Deanna, it is clear to me that they see right through Jodi’s lies and realize she is the problem, not Travis.

    • Moon
      04/24/2013 at 10:44 am

      yes, Deanna is a class act. I am glad Juan called on her to testify. i love how she put the ‘sick F**k’ in his place, too!

    • 04/24/2013 at 10:54 am

      Observer, this proves that Travis had normal, healthy relationships, until he met JA. She was the one element in his relationships with girlfriends, friends and family that wasn’t the norm. She was the odd wo(man) out, so to speak! I truly hope the jury sees this!

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/24/2013 at 11:02 am

        So true; I wonder how many of us (raises hand) have had a relationship that seemed to blow in with a storm, never settle to any remote sense of normalcy, and ended fairly quickly with chills afterwards. Poor Travis. What a good and decent guy. Other people saw that specialness–as we have seen. What a great accomplishment his grandmother did steering the kids to a structural moral and social foundation. What a shame that his visit from a storm, was far worse than what “normally” occurs with these things.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/24/2013 at 10:56 am

      Thank you again Observer for taking the time to color in aspects of LDS amidst this horror we are watching.. For anyone new: Observer is a grandmother of dozens and mother to almost a dozen. She writes succinctly, never wastes words, and invariably hits the proverbial nail right on its head. An example to emulate imho.

      • Lisa M
        04/24/2013 at 11:08 am

        I agree, Robert. I love Observer’s posts!

    • Observer
      04/24/2013 at 11:09 am

      Thanks Robert. I forgot to mention that Deanna is so smart and quick thinking that she managed also to spin on its head the defense’s theory that Travis was an abuser because he came from an abusive home. She stressed to the jury that his parents were drug addicts and he was neglected but he had good memories of his mother planning birthday parties and was proud of his father for getting clean before he died. She showed Travis as a forgiving son who loved his parents in spite of their shortcomings.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/24/2013 at 11:18 am

        I LOVED when she said that! Anyone who saw the picture of young Travis with is Dad would sense such things. They may have had their problems, but you do not have 7 kids without a LOT of laughter and a LOT of urine. Those siblings in court testify to that notion – and I speak as one of many. A few of us used the US motto in our school years “autobiographies”:: e pluribus unum, which translated from the Latin means EITHER out of many, one or One, out of many.
        Travis was e pluribus unum.

  54. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/24/2013 at 10:35 am

    Ginger :
    How can it be heat of passion if Hodi cannot remember what happened?

    Yea…..good question! How about that anyone out there with some legal insight? How does Crime of Passion work….what’s it all about? We’ve only ever heard this mentioned when one person is discovered by their significant other in bed with someone else.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/24/2013 at 10:36 am

      Excuse please…..Heat of Passion

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/24/2013 at 11:12 am

        Most states recognize at least two classes of manslaughter, voluntary and involuntary. In these states voluntary manslaughter is defined as act of murder reduced to manslaughter because of extenuating circumstances such as adequate provocation (for example, murder committed in the heat of passion) or diminished capacity. Involuntary manslaughter is defined in these states as a Homicide that is committed with criminal negligence or during the commission of a crime that is not included within the Felony-Murder Rule but for which the prosecution has no proof that the defendant intended to kill the victim or do grievous bodily harm.,

        perhaps can assist the discussion

  55. Jess
    04/24/2013 at 10:36 am

    When Jodi was on the stand under cross; when she was getting questioned about borrowing Travis’ car that one day; I believe the day of the alleged porn; and the testimony of the textx back and forth, she actually testified that her car was better than Travis’ ; his BMW. Does anyone remember that? This case is driving me mad! 🙂

  56. 04/24/2013 at 10:41 am

    Good morning, all! I had a work meeting yesterday and didn’t see Deanna Reid’s testimony until late last night. Was anyone else creeped out by Nurmi’s despicable cross examination of Deanna Reid? I think Nurmi’s voice and vocal manner borders on perv-like as it is, so his questioning of Reid actually made my stomach churn and I felt the need to take a shower. There were so many other ways he could have approached Reid and the differences in her relationship with Alexander. I’ll bet he thought repeating all those things Alexander allegedly called Jodi seemed like a good idea in theory, but it was a disaster in practice. I wonder if the jury was as disgusted and as turned off by Nurmi as I was. I expected him to sprout a full-on chubby at any time during that despicable line of questioning. Who’s on the docket for today?

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/24/2013 at 11:00 am

      Go back to our messages during Deanna’s cross by Nurm the Wurm and you’ll see just how pissed off and grossed out we all were. Sick Bas****!!

    • Lisa M
      04/24/2013 at 11:05 am

      Catbyte, yes, jurors were disgusted according to courtroom insiders. Apparently one female juror even had a sneer on her face. Some people are speculating that the defense will now try to get her bumped off the jury, but since this is supposedly a court of law and not a court run by Mafia bosses, I hope that won’t happen. He’s disgusting. Juan Martinez manages to ask questions of a sexual nature (which he has to do because of the defense theory) without going over the line or being obnoxious like Nurmi.

  57. Nienna
    04/24/2013 at 10:45 am

    Jurors will be at court at 1:30 but Valerie told us yesterday to show up at 11:00 for media so most likely a televised hearing.

  58. 04/24/2013 at 10:46 am

    Syntara :
    **waves** hello WITJ
    Must have missed that bit… nothing springing to mind


    Here it is. Seemed a bit more hilarious yesterday! Poor JM!

    It’s from about 32:21 minutes to 32:35! Love it!

    • 04/24/2013 at 10:47 am

      No sound though….not sure why!

      • 04/24/2013 at 11:00 am

        hahaha yeah I see… well ya can’t blame Juan…. and at least it gave det. Flores some much needed comic relief!

        As you say… he probably dreams of that walk to the bench he has to do it so often 😆

      • 04/24/2013 at 11:07 am

        yeah righ! Really made my day yesterday!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/24/2013 at 11:28 am

      OH Thank you for this! I had missed it. Juanderfull. The worm asked to approach to give something to the witness, that I recalled. But I didn’t see the Juanster jump on cue! He doesn’t want to waste time gripe-ing about it; they call for them all the time, up we go, whoops. okay down we go.

  59. ctc111
    04/24/2013 at 10:57 am

    Good morning everyone. today is a great day! last week I was anxious after all the criticism of Dr.D but after yesterday I think that the end is in sight and the good guys will win! yea for the prosecution !

  60. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/24/2013 at 10:57 am

    According to In Session this morning the Duh-fence is wanting to exclude 3 of the Prosecutions rebuttal witnesses. Didn’t say which ones, but who’s left? There wasn’t a long list of witnesses. In Session indicated it would be heard this afternoon. Anyone else hear anything about this?

    • 04/24/2013 at 11:06 am

      Oh bummer…if it’s true! I hope not though!

    • hottopic08
      04/24/2013 at 11:13 am

      I understand the defense has motions to exclude these 3 witnesses, Suzie Dittman, Robert Brown, Dr. Kevin Horne, Robert Brown is a Forensics Computer Detective from Mesa. Dr. Horne, the medical examiner to rebutt JA’s timeline and Suzie Dittman a fraud investigator for JP Morgan Chase, perhaps to back up about the 3rd swipe of the credit card requiring the customer to go inside, or maybe it’s something else, can’t figure this one out. Do we know who had an account at JP Morgan Chase?

      Also maybe Det. Flores will be called to do the shelf demonstration. I imagine the DT would fight hard to keep this one out.

      • Family of Law
        04/24/2013 at 11:21 am

        Ugh! What would be the grounds to exclude testimony from these witnesses? I hope the judge finally grows a pair and denies the motion! Any final word as to whether the judge has ruled on the other motions (surrebuttal and lesser charges?)

      • hottopic08
        04/24/2013 at 11:22 am

        Here is Suzie Dittman’s LinkedIn Profile link with her job description: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Suzie/Dittman

        What could this be? Did JA perhaps use TA credit card(s) after she killed him? Access his bank accts.? NO, that would be something new, what, think, think…..

      • Observer
        04/24/2013 at 11:39 am

        Chase Bak is probably Travis’s bank. He is probably there to explain the checks Jodi wrote to Travis. They were not loans, but payments for debts she owed him.

      • Observer
        04/24/2013 at 11:45 am

        Mimi Hall testified that Jodi hacked into Travis’s bank account. Susie Ditmann is a fraud investigator who may have investigated that. The witnesses will be allowed. The defense can’t exclude all witnesses that show their client is guilty as sin.

      • hottopic08
        04/24/2013 at 11:52 am

        Observer I bet that’s it and it may tie in with this other forensic computer guy.

      • HJ Madison
        04/24/2013 at 12:03 pm

        just a thought …. but in 2008, when the killing happened, she may not have been with JP Morgan Chase….. and I hope, hope this covers WOBO’s “breaking and entering” into TA’s computer, email, telephone, bank acct., etc….

  61. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/24/2013 at 10:58 am

    By the way….just got in here and started asking questions without saying GOOD MORNING ALL!

    • 04/24/2013 at 11:01 am

      hellloooo my fav group of ladies!!!! I trust you are all fine and well this morning 😀

  62. 04/24/2013 at 11:04 am

    Does anyone know if the motion the DT filed to include the lesser charge of manslaughter was denied? I know Donchais mentioned this in her recap, and that this motion has previously been denied by this judge, but I haven’t seen any mention of the status of this latest motion anywhere else. I just like to make sure all our bases are covered. I don’t want to sit here thinking that the jury just has only the 2 charges to consider….DP or LWOP….and then they come back (unlikely, I sure!) with this lesser charge, and be disappointed for everyone, especially The Alexander Family! Thx.

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 11:34 am

      Hello all. Right now JA is charged with 1st or 2nd degree murder. If the jury finds her guilty of 1st (they agree she did, in fact, premeditate the murder), then we go on to the next phase of the trial, the penalty phase. Then the jury decides if her actions warrant DP or LWOP. 2nd degree is also charged in case the jury does not believe premeditation, but she killed “knowingly” — did something that would cause the death of.

      Manslaughter falls in with the defense claim that JA killed, but did so because her life was in danger. The judge has not yet ruled whether she will allow the manslaughter charge. She wanted to hear all the testimony first, before deciding, to know it was sufficient for a jury to consider. This will be covered in the next few days, before closing argument, and sometimes called a “charge conference”.

      • 04/24/2013 at 12:02 pm

        HJM, thank you for the clarification! Is the charge conference something the public will get to see, or in chambers?

      • HJ Madison
        04/24/2013 at 12:11 pm

        Usually …. because AZ permits TA’s family to be in attendance at the “in-chambers” discussions (this is not usual … normally we have the Prosecutor as “our” representative), I think much more has been done behind “closed doors” in this trial.

  63. 04/24/2013 at 11:09 am

    hey Im watching a totally unrelated something.. crime stuff…. and lo and behold I hear this voice…… I run to the TV and it’s Juan! 😀

    • Moon
      04/24/2013 at 2:27 pm

      which case? Juan is amazing to watch!

  64. Family of Law
    04/24/2013 at 11:12 am

    I understand that JA’s brain is sick and twisted, and you need to be versed in sociopathic language to truly understand how she behaves- I have no knowledge in psychology, (other than “Mom-chology”) – So I’m trying to wrap my head around how JA sat there yesterday scribbling, erasing and passing “notes to her classroom bestie”- all the while, several of her perjurious lies were been unveiled? No porn, No returned gas cans, gas receipts, etc- At the end of court yesterday, she seemed to appear unshaken. The croc tears she put on for Jacob is the only thing I understood- that was blatant manipulation “look at me, I’m so sad, pity me jury”. And what was with the little “smile” when Deanna said she now cares for Napolean?

    • 04/24/2013 at 12:07 pm

      I was thinking the majority of the questions were straight from JA herself and specifically the one re Napoleon. Why would anyone else care? She’s just plain evil incarnate.

      • Family of Law
        04/24/2013 at 12:21 pm

        Morning’ Brightgirl (so glad we “bullied” you into changing your moniker:). I agree, that line of Wurmster’s questions was straight from JA’s scribbles- sickening!

      • 04/24/2013 at 1:17 pm

        It is a good morning. Nah no bullying felt on my part, smile. I didn’t like it anyway. Now I’m feeling comfortable. Wouldn’t want to be something I’m not by taking on someone else’s persona; if you know what I mean. That has got to be more than exhausting, keeping up with filling the emptiness. I watched my first Mikee you tube and talk about a visual – the Mini Wheat cereal box!

    • 04/24/2013 at 1:39 pm

      Family of Law… none of that bothers her. It’s that simple.

      As for the ‘tears’ are only for manipulation nothing more.

  65. MMD
    04/24/2013 at 11:15 am

    Morning all!!!! Have a migraine so am only on minimal brain power, if any 😉

    Once again thank you donchais for your excellent recap and all you do for us. I would imagine that keeping out the trolls this far along in the trial must be a full time job and we appreciate you keeping the School of Donchais’ playground safe. 🙂

    Since it’s a short week I hope things don’t get tied up with in chamber sessions and other crap today!

    OK gonna go back to sleep and will catch ya all later. {{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}} and ********waves******** to all 😀

    • Jill
      04/24/2013 at 11:19 am

      Hope u feel better fast! Take care!
      And yes, Ty donchais! as usual, a wonderful job u r doing for us all!

    • 04/24/2013 at 11:30 am

      ohhhh MMD.. take care sweety! Hope you are better soon! {{{{hugs}}}}

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/24/2013 at 11:57 am

      When you come back later, and read the comments- as I know you will – I just wanted a brownie point for ALSO wishing you well. & (I miss you!!)

    • Marilyn N
      04/24/2013 at 12:27 pm

      Here are some flowers for you!! Feel better!!!!!

      🌸🌷🌺🌻🌹🌹🌹💐🌸🌷🌻🌻🌹🌼🌷🌷 😊😊😊

      • 04/24/2013 at 3:34 pm

        Feel better come back oon

      • 04/24/2013 at 3:34 pm

        meant soon

  66. Jay
    04/24/2013 at 11:18 am

    Deco, JM, et al.. Page-Down work-around for Safari on iPad.

    There is a semi-solution to the scrolling down problem when using the iPad.
    You can create a ‘bookmark’ that will drop you down to the end of any page you’re viewing in the browser.

    It takes about five minutes to set it up (I just did it, and it works). Not as good as and ‘end-page’ button on a desktop, but way way better then scrolling down to the bottom of 500 or more comments.

    Here’s the link that explains how to do it.


    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 11:55 am

      YAH! Thanks Jay!!! Many, many thanks!!! So, I am such an idiot I could not figure out how to highlight, copy and paste that line into the address bar. I had to type it in. Here it is if anyone else wants to copy and paste:

      javascript:scroll(0,document.getElementsByTagName( ‘body’)%5B0%5D.scrollHeight);

    • 04/24/2013 at 11:55 am

      Thanks Jay. 🙂 I think I’ve started developing callouses on my fingers from all he scrolling. This could be a finger saver.

  67. Irie Girl
    04/24/2013 at 11:23 am

    I subscribed to the Public Access Case Update through the Arizona Supreme Court, for updates on this case and I just got one alerting of Change(s) Made: Event(s) Charge(s) at 7:46am 4/24/2013
    I was just curious if anyone else had tried this service, and do they know what this might mean?
    LOL the technology available is more than I can actually handle.

    • Jill
      04/24/2013 at 11:31 am

      Oh, that’s interesting. I wonder what that means. Unfortunately, I have no idea , either. Hope someone can clarify for us.

  68. stephanie
    04/24/2013 at 11:27 am

    Has anyone heard about Tanisha, Travis’s sister, being banned from the judges chambers for doing some online hating on Alice? I read this on the enemy camp so who knows if it is true. I don’t blame her for doing this if she did.

  69. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/24/2013 at 11:29 am

    Syntara :
    hellloooo my fav group of ladies!!!! I trust you are all fine and well this morning

    We’re doing much better this morning! Better than yesterday when Nurm the Wurm was up questioning Deanna! Boy…..these ol hens got so fired up they kept taking turns typing in their comments while the trial was going on! I finally told them….hey….calm down…we’re getting nasty on the internet! But they were all fired up……me too!! But we were soooo proud of Mr. Man (JM)…..got in there and gave that Duh-fence team the old one two and shut them up big time. We got satisfaction in feeling that jury was probably offended by how that Wurm tried to humiliate Deanna with his questions. She stood strong!!

    We all counted to ten when it was over and were very very impressed with JM’s performance!! Let’s see what this day will bring now.


    • 04/24/2013 at 11:39 am

      hah!! I can relate!!!! 😈

      saw it today (my time) and I was just shaking my head. I mean seriously what did he think he was gaining? I just can’t see it. Maybe he thinks there is one juror like him that wants to hear this stuff? I dunno…. it’s so far outside my way of thinking I just can’t see what advantage (loose usage) he was aiming for.

      The only thing I can see is it was to deliberately upset and hope to goad the witness. He kept saying (needlessly) “I know this is sensitive to you”, “I don’t mean any disrespect by this” that kind of stuff.. but it was obvious he meant the opposite cos in no way was Deanna backing off from his answers so that was just gamesmanship and bottom dwelling typical of what we have seen from him. I still am unclear in what his strategy (again loose term with him) actually was. Any ideas from you lot?

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/24/2013 at 11:45 am

        Yes. I thought that had it been me on the stand, I would have commented on his use of the language. Im not sure what I’d have said but I think it would have been along th elines of “and no one that I know ever heard him” something like that to ring the bell for the jury to hear. . Inevitably, such a response would have drawn out more questions and more instances of his alleged use. She played it very smart and was very controlled and I admired her for it. I don’t think I would have been capable of such. (and i have testified in court).

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/24/2013 at 11:57 am

        He thinks he’s coming up with a “Perry Mason” moment and tries to use that slow talkin’ slow movin’ technique of his like he’s some big time lawyer (more like a giant Sloth….oh no offense to the sloth)!! However it backfired on him because he opened the door for JM go come back up and literally turned it around on him started asking Deanna “are you aware of any sexual behavior of the defendant saying this, doing that (and he did it tastefully while still getting the information out to the jury and putting it all back that psycho JA!! Now that’s a Perry Mason moment!! Nurm the Wurm…..sit….watch….and listen to how a Professional does it!! That BIG BUFFOON!!

      • 04/24/2013 at 12:59 pm

        Everyone’s hating on the defense, but Nurmi is just doing his job of distracting the jury, taking their minds off the facts/truth and upsetting them with rank words and ranker images… I’ll be willing to bet his closing will be something like this: “L & G of the jury, you may have found this trial a trial, with all the references to sexual acts and images and photos, but that doesn’t make my client guilty of first degree murder. This was a passionate relationship, the most intense of Mr. Alexander’s life, as his past girlfriends testified. It is no wonder he reacted in a way that made my client fearful for her life… etc., etc..”

        You may have an aversion to Mr. Nurmi and his associate, Ms. Willmot, but he will use that aversion to them and to his client to his advantage in closing, wait and see…

      • 04/24/2013 at 1:13 pm

        well Sandy if that’s the case he is going about it the wrong way IMO

  70. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 11:31 am

    Official hello to the room…I snuck in and scrolled down and commented a bit. I need this.

    • Jill
      04/24/2013 at 11:32 am


    • 04/24/2013 at 11:42 am

      helllloooooooo RRRRRobherr!! I trust you are in fine form as usual!! Been to Amsterdam lately? 😀

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/24/2013 at 11:54 am

        Hello my dear!! Was in Amsterdam last week. Preparations are underway for the “inaugaration” (NOT ‘coronation’) of the current Prince Willem Alexander to King. His retiring mother, Queen Beatrix, who has served for 33 years, is stepping aside, as her mother did and hers before that. Netherland has been a Woman’s Kingdom for the last 100 years. Time for the males to have their brief moment(before Willem’s daughter and heir who is 12 takes over). The event is to be held on April 30 in the “New Church (which dates from 1600)” where monarchs have been crowned since 1814 and NOT in the “Old Church” (which dates from 1400).

        It’s a constitutional monarchy here. Beatrix’s family goes back to the founder of the country-“William of Orange” or William the Silent from 16 century. She is of the house of Orange and Nassau which remain names of counties in New York state where the Dutch settled originally.

      • 04/24/2013 at 12:04 pm

        yup yup know about Queen B but did not know of the lineage.. very interesting. She is much loved from what I know and very very very different to the British Royals.

        I had to make a choice when I travelled…. coaxing from a group of fellow travellers to hit Amsterdam or follow through with my plans to head to Africa.

        Was a REALLY tough choice but I went to Harare instead.

  71. Observer
    04/24/2013 at 11:31 am

    I am sure the jury is totally over Nurmi talking dirty to them that they just tune him out. His turtle pace is enough to put them to sleep. His mannerisms are creepy that one wonders if he is a sexual deviant. If I were on the jury, I would be so disgusted by Jodi’s and Nurmi’s shameful behavior of blaming the victim, ruining the reputation of a good man and painting a cold blooded murderer as an innocent victim. All that sex tape proved to me was that Jodi was a manipulative seductive nymphomaniac who called Travis in the middle of the night encouraged him to talk dirty and taped it so could get off on it later and blackmail him into marrying her. He sounded like a naïve littrle boy in a candy store, not an abusive sexual deviant. When her blackmailing scheme didn’t work, Jodi drove 1000 miles to stab him to death, slit his throat and shoot him in the head before he could go to Cancun with Mimi..

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/24/2013 at 12:00 pm

      “All that sex tape proved to me was that Jodi was a manipulative seductive nymphomaniac who called Travis in the middle of the night encouraged him to talk dirty and taped it so could get off on it later and blackmail him into marrying her. He sounded like a naïve littrle boy in a candy store, not an abusive sexual deviant”. .

      Could not say this any better..Why we didnt hear Travis on the You Tube at the party they showed but did hear him on the taped phone call will forever elude me.

      • Observer
        04/24/2013 at 12:33 pm

        Because the point of the video was to show they were affectionate in public. In the video he is talking about a near death experience where a gun was put to his head by a robber and it jammed. That is too close to how he died so it would be too prejudicial and the jury would pay attention to that instead of the fact that Jodi is lying in his lap.

      • HJ Madison
        04/24/2013 at 12:33 pm

        I have wondered if it was that taped “exchange” that she threatened him with when he lashed out in the May 26th text messages. Seemed like her lie about someone telling her TA had been unfaithful was pretty lame. But, threatening to go public with a sex tape he had no knowledge of ….. I could see him really going off on her … and not stopping for hours!

  72. hottopic08
    04/24/2013 at 11:34 am

    Family of Law :
    Any final word as to whether the judge has ruled on the other motions (surrebuttal and lesser charges?)

    You know after seeing that smirky, evil smile on JA’s face at the end of the day yesterday when talking with JW I bet my luggage the judge is letting it in. Grrr……..

    • Jill
      04/24/2013 at 11:37 am

      I thought the same thing.. Hope we r both wrong.

      • 04/24/2013 at 12:57 pm

        She is found smirking fairly regularly so I’m going to assume that it was about something else because it is too aggravating to think the above has been approved. Hopefully, I’m not in lala land.

    • Family of Law
      04/24/2013 at 12:08 pm

      I hope you get to keep your luggage:) If that’s true, that the judge will once again be letting JA run rough shot over her courtroom.. I hope the Alexanders don’t have to endure more of the repeat bulls**t.

  73. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/24/2013 at 11:45 am

    Found this on Wild about Trial:

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial

    Jurors will be at court at 1:30 but Valerie told us yesterday to show up at 11:00 for media so most likely a televised hearing. #JodiArias

    • hottopic08
      04/24/2013 at 11:49 am

      YEAH! I hope so, I have never seen a trial where so much is done behind closed doors!

    • 04/24/2013 at 12:04 pm

      Oh Good!

  74. CrocTear Jodi
    04/24/2013 at 11:55 am

    G’morning. I came to a realization. Maybe because I cleaned my glasses…LOL… Willmott reminds me of someone thats a throwback from a bad 70’s sitcom, and Nurmi looks like an upright walrus in a suit !(minus a mustache).

    • 04/24/2013 at 12:06 pm

      😆 Maybe you shouldn’t have cleaned your glasses! 😛

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/24/2013 at 12:11 pm

      Yea….I cleaned my glasses yesterday because I thought I was seeing kinda of foggy (uh oh…the fog??) and after I put them back on I realized, “oh sh**…..it’s not my glasses….Nurm the Wurm is really THAT ugly!!”

    • Marilyn N
      04/24/2013 at 12:19 pm

      An upright walrus with a bad left arm twitch!! haha

  75. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 12:13 pm

    Syntara :
    yup yup know about Queen B but did not know of the lineage.. very interesting. She is much loved from what I know and very very very different to the British Royals.

    I had to make a choice when I travelled…. coaxing from a group of fellow travellers to hit Amsterdam or follow through with my plans to head to Africa.
    Was a REALLY tough choice but I went to Harare instead.

    During WWII they were called the “bicycle monarchy” for their devotion to frugality and simplicity. (Soldier of Orange, is a great film about this time).Beatrix is a graduate of Leiden and a Sculptor. Very class yI think. Nice thing is, you can respect and applaud them as a “living symbol” of a country yet still hold various political beliefs etc etc. I used to think Americans treated their President that way, but I learned upon reaching maturity age, that no such thing exists in America.

    It’s said often that “God created the universe and the Dutch created Holland” The truth of the saying lies in the great creation and preservation of land which is, in many areas, under sea level. Venice is slowly going under water;the Italians will get to it in 300 years. The Dutch have canals in Amsterdam drained each night and have created huge Delta works out at sea to help contain the sea.

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 12:20 pm

      And many thanks to you and all your fellow countrymen’s fine engineering skills, when it came to rescuing New Orleans following hurricane Katrina!

  76. hottopic08
    04/24/2013 at 12:13 pm

    Beth Karas with HLN has confirmed that Dr. Horne, medical examiner will testify on rebuttal.
    WildAboutTrial has confirmed the hearing will be closed so it will not be televised – pooh!

    • 04/24/2013 at 12:18 pm

      That’s a shame! Why did Val tell the media to come at 11:00PST if the hearing is behind closed doors. I think this is a mistake, because it allows the DT to manipulate these proceedings….but of course there is our boy…JM there as well….so we’ll see.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/24/2013 at 12:20 pm

      Will the jury be present? What’s the use if the jury isn’t present? Maybe they’re going to show the awful pictures of TA’s injuries and don’t want the public present.

      • HJ Madison
        04/24/2013 at 12:22 pm

        The jury will not be there. And I too wondered if maybe it was to discuss really gruesome details.

    • hottopic08
      04/24/2013 at 12:22 pm

      NOW it has been posted that the press will be allowed in the hearing at 11:00am and WILL be live streamed. Guess we will just have to tune in to see if we can see!

      • HJ Madison
        04/24/2013 at 12:27 pm

        Oh good! I almost had myself talked into doing something productive!

      • 04/24/2013 at 12:29 pm

        oh good I’m glad…this trial is enough of a circus as it is….and these secret, behind-closed-doors meetings don’t help!

      • 04/24/2013 at 12:29 pm

        LOL, HJM!!

    • 04/24/2013 at 12:29 pm

      wtf…. we wont see Dr Horne’s testimony rebutting Jodi’s?

      • hottopic08
        04/24/2013 at 12:55 pm

        It’s my understanding that we will see Dr. Horne on rebuttal. I can’t imagine the judge not allowing it to refute JA’s timeline of the killing as to what she testified.

  77. 04/24/2013 at 12:47 pm

    Jay :
    There’s a Duel Browser and a Double Browser app. Both free. I don’t know which is better, but if HJ likes Duel, try that one first

    Thanks Jay!

    • Jay
      04/24/2013 at 1:21 pm

      Just installed Double Browser — seems to be working: sound and video in one window; this in another. Also has a slider, so you can widen either window. Waiting for the 11:00 live broadcast to see how that goes…

      But big screen desktop still better: with 3 multiple windows open: WildAboutTrial; Live Trial; this blog. And I don’t have to hold iPad, and can sip coffee or hot chocolate or bourbon and soda — depending on time of day 🙂

      • 04/24/2013 at 1:50 pm

        Bourbon,7-up, and lime sounds good to me. There again, so does hot chocolate. Drinking coffee for now. No desktop right now.

  78. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 12:49 pm

    ok well now that i’ve showered,
    and tried to explain to my daughter that she will NEVER be able to figure out her physcopath father, I am off to get some coffee so I can watch more of Juan in action!!

  79. HJ Madison
    04/24/2013 at 1:07 pm

    Beth Karas is saying 2 witnesses …. one to cover haircolor? One to cover JA’s bank account deposits. Haircolor?? I wonder if it is the manicure … the brazilian wax???

    • 04/24/2013 at 1:54 pm

      If I remember correctly, the agent who rented the car to JA in Redding said when she was there she was a blonde. JA has said she discussed becoming a brunette back in March and finally changed her color in May, weeks before her road trip to Mesa. JA testified that When she was in Salinas getting a manicure she was at the salon for more than 2 hours. Thats along time for a manicure but she claims there was along wait. I think JM might be of the belief she changed her color then. Changing her appearance would be another factor that could point to premeditation.

  80. HJ Madison
    04/24/2013 at 1:09 pm

    Beth was just on HLN talking about the hearing today. The defense wants to preclude 3 witnesses. Above, and Dr. Horne. She says Horne should be allowed as he has already testified and is scheduled tomorrow.

  81. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 1:19 pm

    Observer :
    Because the point of the video was to show they were affectionate in public. In the video he is talking about a near death experience where a gun was put to his head by a robber ,and it jammed. That is too close to how he died so it would be too prejudicial and the jury would pay attention to that instead of the fact that Jodi is lying in his lap.

    I guess I was saying that I didnt think these were mutually exclusive. I mean she WAS there when he talked of a GUN to his head. Why is that prejudicial and not evidence?

    • Jay
      04/24/2013 at 1:27 pm

      Not considered probative:

      “Evidence has probative value if it tends to prove an issue. However, probative value may refer to whether the evidence is admissible. Rules of evidence generally state that relevant evidence, which tends to prove or disprove an alleged fact, may be excluded if its probative value is substantially outweighed by the danger of unfair prejudice, confusion of the issues, or misleading the jury, or by considerations of undue delay, waste of time, or needless presentation of cumulative evidence. A trial court must use a Balancing test to make this determination, but rules of evidence generally require that relevant evidence with probative value be excluded only if it is substantially outweighed by one of the dangers described in the rule.”

      West’s Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/24/2013 at 1:34 pm

        Thanks. But surely you join me in wishing the legal profession would learn to write clearly?

      • Jay
        04/24/2013 at 1:52 pm

        I rather join in changing the legal trial system to a ‘coin and die’ system. Flip a coin for guilty or innocent. Roll the dice for sentencing options.

        In the grand scheme of things I’m sure it would be just as effective as the present system, and far less frustrating to us to scream at invisible ‘fates’ then have to deal with the nit-picking nonsense of lawyers and judges and jurors we’ve seen in this trial, and others over the years.

        And best of all we wouldn’t have to put up with the Nancy Graces of this world. Far better to see a convicted felon down on his knees, blowing on the dice in his hand, praying ‘be good to poppa and show me snake-eyes’ then hearing the shrike of HLN hissing at us with her snake-eyed glare.

  82. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 1:24 pm

    I wonder how much the duh-fence spent on trying to get a Medical Examiner – anywhere, even a Veterinarian – to come and dispute Dr Horne’s assesment of the sequence of the attack?

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/24/2013 at 1:49 pm

      Ha ha ha ha…..Veterinarian…..good one!!

    • 04/24/2013 at 3:41 pm

      good point Robert.

  83. 04/24/2013 at 1:25 pm

    Hello all!
    First of all let me say thank you to Donchais for the wonderful recaps and the nice sandbox to play in. I like, so many others, have lurked here for a long time but never had the nerve to comment. Everyone’s kindness to others was what finally gave me the courage I needed so thank you all for that and here goes nothin…..
    I was looking around on Youtube for a video recap of the trial and week or more ago and came across a video of a young lady saying that she dated the same Bobby Juarez that JA dated and that he physically abused her (I do not know if this is true or not). If it is true, I am thinking Bobby may have also abused JA and this experience is probably where she got her stories of abuse from only it was Bobby and not Travis who committed the abuse. Possible???

    • Moon
      04/24/2013 at 2:11 pm

      welcome tupelomz…
      we all know travis didn’t abuse her! I wouldn’t be surprised where she got these stories.

      • 04/24/2013 at 2:13 pm

        Thanks for the welcome Moon 🙂

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/24/2013 at 2:14 pm

      Hi Tupe and welcome! Do you have link? It sounds reasonable. Syntara and others are continually showing the seeds of lies sprinkled about; would fit what we know.

      • 04/24/2013 at 2:17 pm

        No sorry Robert I did not save the link. Actually since I have never heard anyone talk about this person I was afraid to mention it any where in case it was a hoax. I still do not know if it was or not…

      • 04/24/2013 at 2:22 pm

        oops and almost forgot…Thank you for the welcome also Robert in Rotterdam. Everyone here is so nice…<3 it

    • 04/24/2013 at 3:11 pm

      Hi Tupelo !! All I have to offer is there always seems to be an element of truth in JA ‘s stories. If she was abused by Bobby I ccan see her taking those details and using them in building her story re: Travis. The video shown in court yesterday had Travis describing his ordeal during a robbery, having a gun held to his head which misfired. It seems like parts of his story were incorporated into JA’s Ninja story of break in at Travis home. She claimed that a Gun was held to her head and misfired, Trqvis was killed and she was able to flee.

      • 04/24/2013 at 3:19 pm

        Hello Deco! That is absolutely the first thing I thought of also when they showed the video of Travis’ robbery and it gave me the chills when I heard this youtube girl talking about abuse by Bobby. JA can’t even build a lie by herself, she has to leach off someone else!

    • kristin
      04/24/2013 at 5:54 pm

      Hi! That YouTube video sounds interesting. There’s no telling where WOBO digs up her lies! I do feel sorry for some of these people who’s names got dragged into this whole mess. Their name is synonymous with a murderer unfortunately: (

  84. Allison
    04/24/2013 at 1:26 pm

    So is the trial on right now??? I can’t find it.

  85. 04/24/2013 at 1:34 pm

    I’m sorry, but Judge Stephens is a complete and utter joke. She has no control over her courtroom. Whether it’s the unending requests to approach her bench from the defense, allowing irrelevant questions of witnesses by the defense (e.g. Travis’s Ex Deanne), the outburst of laughter in Court by Jodi’s low rent fan club, to never starting court at the scheduled time, Judge Stephens is pathetic!

    I may have missed it, but I’m sure Judge Stephens, in her quest to give Jodi full due process, will allow the very rare surrebuttal to take place (I haven’t checked any news today…so; she may have already granted this request).

    Oh, I almost forgot, what the Hell was this Judge thinking about seating Travis’ Family and Jodi together in the Juror seats. F-ing unbelievable!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/24/2013 at 2:17 pm

      Boy I’m jumping on your rant! Been saying such the whole time I’m here about the good Judge. But that seating the other day–on the ‘advice’ I assume of the Defense, was so uncalled for, and so cruel, and so insensitive and so deferential to the ‘defense’ that I have yet to recover from the feeling of shock and adhorrence.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/24/2013 at 2:18 pm


      • Moon
        04/24/2013 at 2:36 pm

        totally agree …. that judge is going out of her way for the ho. it’s so sickening.
        and that bit of setting T’s family right behind the ho…. My God! How did it come to be that the ho was finally moved away from them? that was soooo unjust

  86. SeniorMoments
    04/24/2013 at 1:36 pm

    Good morning! I’m not watching HLN right now, but I saw a FB post saying Beth had said that the ME would be testifying tomorrow. Another poster took that to mean there is no trial today. Clarification, anyone?

  87. Allison
    04/24/2013 at 1:36 pm

    So is the trial on right now???

    • 04/24/2013 at 1:41 pm

      Allison….no…there is a hearing around 11PST…then the jury should be seated around 1-1:30PST

    • truejustice
      04/24/2013 at 1:45 pm

      No I think it starts 1:30 AZ time. I think they might be meeting this morning about the motions .

  88. Observer
    04/24/2013 at 1:42 pm

    There is a hearing at 11 am Pacific time to discuss the defense’s motion to exclude all the rebuttal witnesses, which will be denied, and a motion for the surrebuttal psychologist witness and to add manslaughter to the charges, which may or may not be granted.

    The jury will be there at 1:30 pm when Martinez will call another rebuttal witness.

  89. 04/24/2013 at 1:44 pm

    Love this:

    christine lee ‏@christinel1903 11m
    @WildAboutTrial @DeanaJ1inTX Riddle-How many lawyers does it take to prosecute a crazy psychopath stalker named #jodiarias ? (Just JUAN) =P

  90. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/24/2013 at 1:45 pm

    HJ Madison :
    Beth Karas is saying 2 witnesses …. one to cover haircolor? One to cover JA’s bank account deposits. Haircolor?? I wonder if it is the manicure … the brazilian wax???

    The Duh-fense is the one that said JA dyed her hair long before she planned her trip to Mesa and if JM can prove otherwise we don’t see why the hair color witness can’t be added to the witness list. Hopefully this woman can prove JA colored her on the way to Mesa…..that would be a BIG blow to the Duh-fense.

  91. 04/24/2013 at 1:50 pm

    WildAboutTrial ‏@WildAboutTrial 29s
    Was just informed that the hearing is going to be in chambers. All attorneys are headed back there. Trial will resume at 1:30pm #JodiArias

    Wish they would make up their minds!!!!!!!!

  92. hottopic08
    04/24/2013 at 2:15 pm

    SEAL is up! WildAboutTrial just posted on twitter one min. ago that the judge MIGHT open the hearing………said to stay tuned. Circus! Circus!

  93. Jay
    04/24/2013 at 2:18 pm

    Seal’s not showing on my feed…

  94. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/24/2013 at 2:20 pm

    What a mess!!

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial

    Was just told the judge might open up the hearing. Stay tuned.. will let you know as soon as we get final word from the judge. #JodiArias

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial

    We were all told it would be an open hearing but that just changed. Sorry folks, you will have to wait until 1:30pm #JodiArias

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial

    Was just informed that the hearing is going to be in chambers. All attorneys are headed back there. Trial will resume at 1:30pm #JodiArias

    Make up their minds!!

  95. HJ Madison
    04/24/2013 at 2:20 pm

    It is up on CBS5, KPHO

  96. 04/24/2013 at 2:28 pm

    hi everyone!
    MMD hope your feeling better. Brightgirl like your name better than the other I was born in 55 so oldgirl 58 was making me feel ancient. Give kisses to soldierboy Family of Law. I have a rescue cat with ptsd
    I have a question for you techies out there. I just bought a sonysmart tv to livestream the trial but can’t. Is it possible to download an app? Speak slowly cause I am Canadian.
    Thx in advance.

    • hottopic08
      04/24/2013 at 2:32 pm

      IF your TV app store has an app available to livestream and you are connected to the internet, then yes, otherwise you will have to use the adapter to connect the TV directly to your computer/laptop. The TV probably included that adapter cord, mine did, I have a panasonic and have to use the adapter cord to my laptop.

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 2:38 pm

      Sony Smart TV? Is this a Sony Bravia with a dongle (hate that word!) that provides connection to “internet” for live streaming like Netfix, Hulu, Crackle, ETC?

    • hottopic08
      04/24/2013 at 2:49 pm

      If you can download/access USTREAM in your TV app store that will work. You will have to search for the coverage using: azfamily it may be available for WildAboutTrial but I have not been able to locate that one.

  97. Jay
    04/24/2013 at 2:29 pm

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial is reporting the court is in an uproar.

    Jodi Arias and Jennifer Willmott just came out of the judges chambers, and both have shaved their heads bald, a gesture of symbolic solidarity. Nurmi has followed them, today dressed in bow tie and formal salmon-colored trousers and coat, looking like an overweight Burgess Meredith in his Penguin costume from the old Batman TV show.

    more to follow…


  98. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/24/2013 at 2:31 pm

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial

    Official word is the hearing is closed. Court resumes at 1:30pm. #JodiArias

    • hottopic08
      04/24/2013 at 2:33 pm

      OH for pete’s sake!

  99. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/24/2013 at 2:37 pm

    Heather Bordeaux Esq ‏@HeatherBordeaux 1h
    New thought: Nurmi’s saying “guess it was a different relationship” contradicted his own expert ALV claiming “pattern” of abuse.

    • Moon
      04/24/2013 at 2:44 pm

      yep! exactly! love that Juan sustained that 2x and the judge agreed. The only “pattern of abuse” is from the evil ho.

  100. 04/24/2013 at 2:39 pm

    Will try hottopic.

    • hottopic08
      04/24/2013 at 2:50 pm

      dpforjodi see new post above

  101. Schaeffer
    04/24/2013 at 2:42 pm

    Wurmi’s performance yesterday was absolutely disgusting. There was no reason for the line of questioning he pursued with Deanna. He succeeded in only two areas: he cemented in the minds of the jurors that the defense team and the defendant are despicable pigfuckers who take lying and desperation to a new low, and that the defendant deserves to die. When he kept saying about the relationship between Travis and Deanna’s relationship “Must have been a different kind of relationship” [than the one he had with WOBO] he was dead on. Deanna and Travis had a fun relationship based on love, respect, support, understanding, admiration, enjoyment of each other. Jodi doesn’t even know the meaning of any of these words, let alone how to incorporate them into a relationship.

    Even more disgusting than Wurmi’s questions were his insincere comments of “I’m not judging you” and “I’m not trying to be insensitive.” He was doing exactly that and everyone knew it, including the jury.

    Not only is the defense trying to make this MURDER TRIAL about sex, they are trying to make it seem that Travis was the only Mormon ever to struggle with the Church’s teachings on chastity. What Wurmi was able to clarify for the jury was

    Once Travis and Deanna violated the Law of Chastity, they came to the conclusion they regretted having done so, and each went to their individual bishop, confessed, completed the repentance process, and had their temple recommend reinstated. This proves WOBO could have done this without Travis if she wanted, but of course she didn’t. It also demonstrated Travis had been through the process before, and while he might not have been looking forward to doing so again, he was willing to do it even if she tried to blackmail him. There has been some suggestion he was already in the process of doing so, but I don’t know for sure, so I’ll leave it at that.

    Travis and Deanna kept their sex life private, which is as it should be in any relationship. Even after the had confessed to their bishops and gone through the repentance process, they did not discuss any part of it with their friends, which, again, is as it should be.

    The Law of Chastity is simple and straight forward, easy to understand, and has no wiggle room. It is taught in the Church from an early age, so it is readily understandable by pre-teens and adoloscents, let alone adults. There is no way anyone could misunderstand it or misinterpret it. For WOBO to say anything else is pure bullshit.

    When The Pervert started down the list of various sex acts so he would have yet another chance to say the dirty words he so loves, Deanna SHUT HIM DOWN by saying “The Law of chastity says no sex.” She didn’t need him to say every filthy thing he knew just for the shock value of it, or to embarrass her, or dishonor Travis.

    Deanna was an excellent witness, and I have the utmost respect for her. She had to endure something no one should — having to recount the intimate details of her life in a public forum. She had nothing to gain personally, but she did it out of love and respect for a young man who has meant a great deal to her in her young life.

    And for the two bitches who bought and sold a seat in the gallery for $200, why didn’t you just hand that money to the Alexander family and go home and turn on your TV? I am glad they got kicked out, and they should be banned from returning.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/24/2013 at 2:50 pm

      well, just as I was feeling let down YET AGAIN by the court, along comes Shaeffer to reenforce my outrage, and keep the blood flowing. Thanks. I needed that.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/24/2013 at 2:50 pm

      What they don’t get is that in Deanna’s relationship with Travis the sexual relations between them was another symbol of their love for each other and it happened over time as their love grew for each other. Unlike JA……she thinks her dirty manipulation with SEX is love!!

      There is definitely a difference in the relationships between the two Nurm the Wurm!! There is SEX (JA’s filth) and there is LOVEMAKING (Deanna & Travis)!! GOT IT GIAN SLUG!!

      • Midnight Rider
        04/24/2013 at 5:48 pm

        I’ve always summed up the sex act in three ways: making love, having sex, and f**king. I consider these three acts each in a different way: Making love is a physical way of two people who love, respect, and care for eachother and who want to express it in an intimate, private way/ having sex is the act between two friends who are both in need of comfort, release, or just for fun {consensually!}/ and f**king is the physical act between two people who both just happen to want a piece of a** at the same time, and who don’t neccessarilly even know eachother. Don’t think Wurmi OR Willnot have ever had any of the three, unless it was with eachother! OMG! Did I say that?

    • 04/24/2013 at 3:25 pm

      Amen, Schaeffer!

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/24/2013 at 3:34 pm

      JA said that she told the Bishop who visited her in Jail about she and Travis but she said it was only oral sex…..again with the lies!! That’s why JM brought that up to Deanna when she said she and Travis had repented. He asked her, “when you went to your Bishop you told him everything right and you didn’t lie and say it was just oral sex right?” (here he was referring to JA lying to her Bishop who visited her in jail that she testified to) and Deanna said, “no I didn’t lie”. There is a BIG difference here and Nurm the Wurm making that last remark shows just how stupid he is!! Deanna and Travis may have made a mistake, but the fact they repented and told the truth shows their true belief in their faith. Whereas….JA is the trash that she is….she couldn’t even tell the truth to the Bishop because her conversion was a SHAM!! Just a way to work her way into TA’s lifestyle.

    • Jay
      04/24/2013 at 3:37 pm

      Not two bitches, one woman from out of state who traveled a long distance to get there, and when wasn’t able to get inside because there were no more seats available, bought a seat from another woman, a regular there who obviously could have used the money.


      Authorities found out and made her return the $200. I don’t see why you’re going off the deep end about it. More then likely both women are strong supporters of Trravis who want justice for him.

      Or how their behavior affects the Alexander family in any way. If your argument is that it trivializes the proceedings, then focus your outrage on the HLN coverage, and all the other media making a circus out of it.

      In fact why doesn’t the State of Arizona charge reasonable admission to the trial, to try and recoup some of the taxpayer money spent on it. And charge HLN for broadcast rights to it, with a portion of the money going to victim rights groups. Why should all that ad revenue go into the pockets of CNN or Time/Warner, and not to the families of the victims who deserve it?

      • kristin
        04/24/2013 at 6:03 pm

        What a great idea charging major networks to broadcast these types of cases. Undoubtedly the networks are making money hand over fist on this case. The state can recoup costs and donating to victims organizations is so morally uplifting:) Your ideas, I like that shit!

  102. HJ Madison
    04/24/2013 at 2:46 pm

    Jay :
    Just installed Double Browser — seems to be working: sound and video in one window; this in another. Also has a slider, so you can widen either window. Waiting for the 11:00 live broadcast to see how that goes…
    But big screen desktop still better: with 3 multiple windows open: WildAboutTrial; Live Trial; this blog. And I don’t have to hold iPad, and can sip coffee or hot chocolate or bourbon and soda — depending on time of day

    So now I can not get your neat trick to work in Dual Browser, to fly to the bottom of the page without a finger-sprain. :(. Is Double Browser free?

    • Jay
      04/24/2013 at 3:05 pm

      Double Browser is free, but has an ad banner at bottom, removable for .99 cents I think… But I don’t know if it will work with the code to go to bottom, I think it may be only workable in Safari. Haven’t had time to play with it in Double Browser…

      Years ago (when I still had half a brain functioning 🙂 ) I had a WordPress blog and knew how to fiddle with the internal CSS code, and I seem to remember there are ways to add page up and page down and end page buttons to the theme. If anyone reading this blog is able to do that, maybe they’d volunteer to add those features for Donchais, assuming she has any interest doing that, and the INove theme allows it.

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/24/2013 at 3:20 pm

        Hey Jay….(oh it rhymes!)….we like your picture icon you use with your name. Reminds us of the typewriters we used in the 8th grade when we were learning how to type! The teacher had 3 typewriters in the back of the class called the “Peekers” machine. While practicing the keys……aaa….space….aaa…space…etc. if you peeked at your hands while practicing you had to go sit at the “Peekers” machines at the back of the room. The keys were taped over with black tape so you couldn’t see what they were so you could learn to type without looking! Yea….we know….we’re regressing to our days of youth….but your icon just reminded us!! We also remember that back then everyone was scrambling to the library to check out the one copy of a very very risqué book called “Peyton Place”! Ohhhhhh….we had to hide it to read it at home! Ha ha ha ha…..now look where we are…..listening to Wurm the Nurm’s vulgarity and that whore JA’s butthole out on the internet!! Wow…have we come a long way!! But we’re not blushing!!

      • Jay
        04/24/2013 at 3:51 pm

        CiCi I learned with the black tape over the keys too. Remember how your fingers would sometimes slip between the keys and get stuck!

        The icon is a 1940s deco typewriter. My uncle, who was an editor for a ‘disreputable’ NYC newspaper, had one just like it in his office. It was already dated then, but he liked using it. I remember seeing him get so involved typing on it, he’d slam the return carriage so hard it would spin the typewriter counter clockwise half off the desk.

      • HJ Madison
        04/24/2013 at 3:57 pm

        You are right … it is only a Safari trick. I have found if I just hit “leave a comment” in the upper right, top of this blog, you are whisked to the bottom of the page. Then every refresh continues to take you to the bottom, or the last point you actually replied, etc….

  103. 04/24/2013 at 3:20 pm

    Thanks HJ ,really a dongle LOL

  104. 04/24/2013 at 3:24 pm

    oh my… just now heard about this myself… how low can this lying, murdering, whore drag the human race…. smdh….. http://www.azcentral.com/community/mesa/articles/20130424arias-trial-death-threats-made-against-defense-attorney.html

    • 04/24/2013 at 3:34 pm

      I’m not a fan of JW, or the DT, but I don’t condone this type of behavior. Everyone is entitled to whatever….their opinions, to live their lives the way they choose, with whomever they choose…and to defend the indefensible(JA). In the end, truth and justice will prevail. We here on this website come here, and post here, because we firmly believe that this jury will do the right thing for The Alexander Family!!! We are smart enough to express ourselves without forgetting who we are, and what we stand for, and we do it in a respectful way! Even though my username is ‘where is the justice?’ I know I will find it with JM!

    • 04/24/2013 at 3:38 pm

      I hope you do not think I was in any way condoning this threat. I was just posting a link I just saw on the news…

      • 04/24/2013 at 3:39 pm

        I feel horrible now.. I will just crawl away…

      • 04/24/2013 at 3:43 pm

        Haha! No tupelomz…..I was just venting at the ninny’s who waste time making threatening phone calls to JW! It really is quite a silly thing to do! I appreciate you posting the link. By the time I’d finished reading it, my blood was boiling, because I don’t understand these people who threaten JW, or ALV!! They give the rest of us a bad name! It serves NO purpose (oops! getting upset again…I can hardly type!) No my love, I am not mad at you, just these fools!

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/24/2013 at 3:46 pm

      There’s a lot of whackos out there and a case like this brings them out from the woodwork! If we don’t share the information that’s out there some of us who are NOT internet savvy would never know what was going on…..we’d have to rely on HLN….yikes….don’t do that to us ol hens. Share Share pleeeeezzzzz Share! You’re not doing anything wrong!

      • 04/24/2013 at 3:52 pm

        I agree with CiCi…..please share! That is why I come here. I wouldn’t have half the information I have now if it weren’t for you amazing souls! I have learned a ton about the legal and mental health process from this site that I didn’t have before. I am grateful for it all! So don’t stop posting!!

      • Gracerv7
        04/24/2013 at 4:02 pm

        Hi all! I don’t agree with the threats at all and hope it does not in any way help the defense. However in trials like these people get so involved and PASSIONATE over something that, ultimately, they (we) have no control over. And on the heels of the Casey Anthony case, I can see how people are getting so worked up. Wish they would come here and vent instead of making harmful threats 😦

      • 04/24/2013 at 4:08 pm

        That’s what it’s all about.. trying to muster up some sympathy for the defense.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/24/2013 at 3:47 pm

      Well for starters, I wouldn’t put it past either of those women to float such an idea. They float ideas about others but dont like it when others might float something against them and I could see either trying to beat the attacker to the punch and claim to be a “victim” of abuse from the “public.”
      It also doesn’t surprise me that the Long Beach police dept – from one of the cities with the highest burglary and murder rates in the state – to classify “alleged” threats against RaViorrette as a “violent” crime.in Long Beach, hoping that news about her “threats” might counter the news that organizations simply dont want her since their members see her for what she is–a hack.

      • Jay
        04/24/2013 at 4:11 pm

        Robert, I lived in Long Beach for a while, my wife got her MFA at Cal State Long Beach, and I don’t remember it being violent back then, so much as boring.

        Now, too, I don’t believe the crime rate there is high overall (crime index: 311; murder rate per 100,000 – 5.3 victims). You may be confusing it with the adjacent city of Compton, which has about double those rates..

        However I’m sure it’s still just as boring in Long Beach, which also can be fatal 🙂

  105. kelleyyyy
    04/24/2013 at 3:43 pm

    Hi EVERYONE!! ( Bows to donchais ) tupelomz.. no one thinks you condone this.. your outrage that someone fruitloop would do this is clear. all is well dear

    • 04/24/2013 at 3:46 pm

      Ok thanks Kelleyyyy. And thank you WTJ. I do feel better.. I was about to cry lol

      • 04/24/2013 at 3:50 pm

        tupelomz…I think i’m about to crawl away and cry! Awful misunderstanding my love! Lots of ((((((((hugs))))))))))!

  106. 04/24/2013 at 3:46 pm

    tupelomz :
    I feel horrible now.. I will just crawl away…

    Oh no! Plz don’t go away!!! It was not directed at you! I am very grateful that you posted the link. I was commenting on the person who called JW, and threatened to find her, and do harm to her, because she is defending JA. I was just expressing my annoyance at these people who waste their time doing something like that, when they can come here, like you and I, and express themselves in a respectful way. Please don’t misunderstand.

    • 04/24/2013 at 3:56 pm

      Thank you WTJ. You have made me feel lots better. 🙂

      • 04/24/2013 at 4:00 pm

        Oh good! I’m glad! I was 2 seconds from booking a flight to come to you and give you a big hug! Ha!

    • 04/24/2013 at 3:59 pm

      WITJ – yay!! another example of why Lala basing her testimony only on the written word is so ludicrous!

      you and tupelomz just inadvertently confirmed it. 😀

  107. kelleyyyy
    04/24/2013 at 3:54 pm

    Im so glad we got in the fact that the Law of Chastity is very very clear.. starting at a young age. Makes WOBO just that much more evil.. that she’d add lying about the Church to advance her evil way. may need to call her Beelzebub.

    • 04/24/2013 at 3:59 pm

      Yes I know! She is SO dumb, or simply does not care that when she talks about LDS that way, she is offending a large percent of the population out there! My husbands family is Mormon, and live primarily in Mesa, and they have expressed how offensive it is to hear her say the things she said about the faith. The silly part is that she ends up hurting her own credibility (not that she ever had any!), because every ridiculous lie and story she’s told, can easily be refutted by ANYONE!!! That’s how dumb she is!!

  108. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 3:56 pm

    Ci Ci’s Circle :Hey Jay….(oh it rhymes!)….we like your picture icon you use with your name. Reminds us of the typewriters we used in the 8th grade when we were learning how to type! The teacher had 3 typewriters in the back of the class called the “Peekers” machine. While practicing the keys……aaa….space….aaa…space…etc. if you peeked at your hands while practicing you had to go sit at the “Peekers” machines at the back of the room. The keys were taped over with black tape so you couldn’t see what they were so you could learn to type without looking! Yea….we know….we’re regressing to our days of youth….but your icon just reminded us!! We also remember that back then everyone was scrambling to the library to check out the one copy of a very very risqué book called “Peyton Place”! Ohhhhhh….we had to hide it to read it at home! Ha ha ha ha…..now look where we are…..listening to Wurm the Nurm’s vulgarity and that whore JA’s butthole out on the internet!! Wow…have we come a long way!! But we’re not blushing!!

    hahhahaha love you girls!! too funny!!

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 4:00 pm

      I completely agree! What funny girls! Peyton Place …. and then came Valley of the Dolls!

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/24/2013 at 4:03 pm

        Oh yea! Wow….seems like the dark ages compared to today’s youth on the internet huh!? But…..when you’re born in the 40’s it WAS a long time ago!!

  109. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 3:59 pm

    has ne1 heard what happened in the hearing today?

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 4:03 pm

      Not here, except Beth Karas said whatever was going to be discussed must have had the potential of “poisoning” the jury, should they hear about it and so the judge was being precautious. You know, that may explain the ridiculous number of “in chamber” discussions. Even though the jury is told to stay away from media, we really have no way of knowing that they are. Just one more good reason that this yucky case will not come back on appeal and everyone has to go thru ALL this again!

  110. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/24/2013 at 4:00 pm

    She drew another picture!:

    Chris Stark ‏@stark3923 21h
    #JodiArias <— STALKS TRAVIS BROTHER; selling artwork of the VICTIMS FAMILY VIOLATES COURT ORDER — spread the word pic.twitter.com/3JwzA9fVAZ

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/24/2013 at 4:01 pm

      Sorrreeee….we don’t know how to post the link to the picture!

    • 04/24/2013 at 4:10 pm

      God! She’s creepy! Such a freakin’ weirdo!

    • 04/24/2013 at 4:16 pm

      I have seen that pic before. I think she did it just as the trial was starting or maybe just before…seriously demented either way…

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 4:16 pm

      Where is she getting color? And how the hell is this getting out? This just absolutely infuriates me! Some good lawyer down there MUST come forward for the Alexander’s and get an injunction. She just can NOT make money selling the likeness of TA’s family because without the notoriety of her crime, these pictures would have NO VALUE!

    • Moon
      04/24/2013 at 4:29 pm

      oooo please Juan, file a motion against this!!

      The HO is a violation of LIFE

  111. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 4:01 pm

    Also on the topic of admissable evidence–its mostly the call of a Judge. There is no “science” to it; Its a judgement call most of the time. It’s suppossed to be an informed and considered opinion, but its still that. The video of Travis could just as well have been presented to exhibit his public manner in language and attitude.I just dont see an “obvious” prejudice to the defendant in that clip; I see an impeachment of her.
    .When a bit more naive I used to think there was “an answer” to a lot of the legal stuff. Then you realzie that the reason there are 5 to 4 decisions is that there is NO sure answer. Its more art than science. Sort of what we are learning about international economics.So all these “sidebars” and “motions” are luxuries of time and money, You can put on a play off-Broadway for $25,000 or on Broadway for a million dollars; its the same play, just done up more, fancier, more seats, better paid cast and crew. That’s this trial versus another one, say.

  112. kelleyyyy
    04/24/2013 at 4:06 pm

    my 3 yr old granddaughter..got ahold of the clipers and cut the tiny front part of her hair short.. all I could think of when her mother told me that was.. I soooooooo wanna hold WOBO down and do the same thing with those infernal bangs.. or what she’s calling bangs..

    • Gracerv7
      04/24/2013 at 4:09 pm

      Kelleyyyyy… Ms. Arias is there anything you regret? MY BANGSSS….MYYYY BANGSSSSSs haha I don’t know if you saw the spoof! Priceless!!

  113. GN5020
    04/24/2013 at 4:08 pm

    A caller into Mike Galanos show on HLN just mentioned that she took down the information off the WalMart receipt from the trial yesterday, and that the other purchases (based on the SKU numbers) besides the 5 Gal Gas Can, were two bottles of moisturizer AND TWO BOXES OF NUTRISSE HAIRCOLOR. I sure hope JM or Flores follows up on this because I think this would be huge. With that Costco water in her trunk, JA could go from blonde to brunette without spending a dime in the Salinas salon.

    • 04/24/2013 at 4:14 pm

      Ooohh! Good point! She tells so many lies, and not any good ones, bcuz as I’ve said before, this info can easily, easily! be refutted by anyone! NG has said from the beginning of this trial that the problem with telling SO many lies is that eventually you trip yourself up and get into trouble!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/24/2013 at 4:17 pm

      i LOVE stuff like this.

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 4:21 pm

      O C’mon … Juan is no dummy! If he paid to get that Walmart lady here, he surely found out what else was on the receipt!

      • HJ Madison
        04/24/2013 at 4:22 pm

        Not “here”, but to the trial ….

      • 04/24/2013 at 4:22 pm

        LOL! ur right!

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/24/2013 at 4:22 pm

      She could have colored her hair when she was visiting with those ding dongs she calls ex-boyfriends too now that we can see she actually bought the hair color! Wow what a find!! Good detective work….I bet the caller made sure JM’s office got this information….at least we hope so!!

  114. Jay
    04/24/2013 at 4:15 pm

    HJ Madison :
    You are right … it is only a Safari trick. I have found if I just hit “leave a comment” in the upper right, top of this blog, you are whisked to the bottom of the page. Then every refresh continues to take you to the bottom, or the last point you actually replied, etc….

    Ah.. a perfect solution! One click and you’re there. Thanks!

  115. 04/24/2013 at 4:16 pm

    Hey guys…it’ time to address the elephant in the room! Do you think there will be any court today?

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 4:18 pm

      Yes… because now it is the Juan show and he will not let us down!

      • 04/24/2013 at 4:21 pm

        HJM another good point! Right! I feel matter.

  116. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 4:22 pm

    9 minutes to go?

    • katz63md
      04/24/2013 at 4:23 pm

      I’m sorry, were you watching THIS trial? LOL

  117. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 4:24 pm

    for newcomers: The HEAT IS JUAN!

  118. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 4:34 pm

    ahhh ty Robert! I was just gonna look for this! I see we ‘time’ since ONCE AGAIN this trial cannot start ONTIME. NOT ONE TIME has it…………… so thanks GOOOO JUAN WE LOVE YOU

  119. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 4:36 pm

    ***I see we Have time….

  120. Nienna
    04/24/2013 at 4:38 pm

    Vinnie Politan‏@VinniePolitan13m
    Chris Hughes at the courthouse today with Travis’ family at #JodiArias trial…

  121. Nienna
    04/24/2013 at 4:38 pm

    Spectators are taking their seats. #JodiArias is talking to the DP mitigation specialist. Waiting for trial to resume. Hold tight!

  122. Nienna
    04/24/2013 at 4:39 pm

    WONDERFUL!! Attorneys are in chambers!

    • Nienna
      04/24/2013 at 4:40 pm

      They’re out!

  123. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 4:40 pm

    the BFFs cuddling and chatty

  124. HJ Madison
    04/24/2013 at 4:40 pm

    OMG…. there is movement in the courtroom!

  125. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 4:42 pm

    donoman sitting like Cartman on the end of the row

  126. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 4:42 pm

    OMG i see willnot just brought HER PHONE up to the duhfence table. PAY ATTENTION JUDGE….. WHY DO YOU ALLOW THIS?

  127. Marilyn N
    04/24/2013 at 4:42 pm

    Anyone else irritated when JA stretches her neck? But then, everything she does is

  128. katz63md
    04/24/2013 at 4:44 pm

    May 1? WTH

  129. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 4:44 pm

    next date May 1! “witness issues” at 9am till they end
    May 2 jusy instructions Thur and Fri after that closing.

  130. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 4:47 pm

    on screen the video with Travis and wobo on his lap; wobo giving it the ‘plaintive’ look.

  131. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 4:47 pm

    my Gaaaaaaaawd those independant eyeballs of the ho’s are soooooo oooooo freaky

  132. HJ Madison
    04/24/2013 at 4:47 pm

    Can it be …. surrebuttal? NO WAY! There must be something else!

    • truejustice
      04/24/2013 at 4:49 pm

      UG ..

  133. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 4:48 pm

    Oh Oh wobo looking ready to “weep” agaion watching Travis

  134. HJ Madison
    04/24/2013 at 4:49 pm

    HLN reporting JA’s grandma in the courtroom. Poor thing!

    • Gracerv7
      04/24/2013 at 4:52 pm

      I feel sorry for her dad too…he always looks so small and sad in the courtroom. And no laughing and snickering like his wife.

      • HJ Madison
        04/24/2013 at 4:54 pm

        I know, I think the Grandmother is in a wheelchair! Sad 😦

  135. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 4:50 pm

    camera stays on wobo; cut the editing and stay on the witness!

  136. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 4:52 pm

    Juan looking good in his Brooks Brothers suit

  137. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 4:54 pm

    is that Grandma Arias??

  138. 04/24/2013 at 4:54 pm

    ooohh here it comes!

  139. 04/24/2013 at 4:55 pm

    Hair dye purchased!!! Love it!

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 5:10 pm

      Hey WTJ, not to be that way, but I just rewound HLN cause I was confused about the date on the Walmart receipt. The time stamp was 15:22 on the receipt and the photo was 2:25pm. I think that means she went to Walmart at 3:22, after her dye job (and brazillian, no doubt!)

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 5:12 pm

      Either way, she dyed it to match the ever beloved Deanna and the new love Mimi.

  140. Schaeffer
    04/24/2013 at 4:56 pm

    Look at that brown hair!

  141. 04/24/2013 at 4:56 pm

    Here comes Pudgy!

  142. HJ Madison
    04/24/2013 at 4:57 pm

    What is with her “poor me” face now!

  143. Schaeffer
    04/24/2013 at 4:58 pm

    These are the photos taken in the car that Juan tried to get admitted during his cross, and Wurmi objected as beyond the scope.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/24/2013 at 5:09 pm

      they show her as a brunette, right? Is that the concept? On June 3

  144. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 4:59 pm

    The damn camera was stuck on wobo when it should have been on the pics and the witness. gettin’ too soap operaish I think.This sort of “directing” will hurt the cause of cameras in the courtroom.

  145. Gracerv7
    04/24/2013 at 5:00 pm

    I can’t get live feed and watching on HLN is maddening!!!

  146. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 5:00 pm

    this witness isnt as used to testitfying; he stumbles a bit in explaining

  147. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 5:02 pm

    I’m open to anyone splainin what just ahppened

    • 04/24/2013 at 5:09 pm

      He said that the phone on the camera has in essence it’s own time zone….it will take a pic and time stamp it with the specific time zone….then that in turn is translated using the time zone the person is in. For exp. if Hodi took those pics on June 3rd, 2008 @ 13;54UTC time…it is then converted to the time zone she was in….PST/PDT time. It’s pretty sophisticated, but clever. Which is good for the pros…not the defense….Wurmi tried to get clever but the witness just shut him down, in essence!!

      • 04/24/2013 at 5:12 pm

        sorry that should say the camera on her phone.

  148. Gracerv7
    04/24/2013 at 5:02 pm

    She looks like she’s going to cry. The only times she cries is for herself!

  149. 04/24/2013 at 5:04 pm

    The HOho may be trying for a pity me look but it is coming off as a guilty look to me…

  150. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 5:05 pm

    can’t you just see the ho making up a new story as this goes along!

    i can hear her now… “Of course there are no bullets, a holster, etc because in my fog i grabbed evthing”

    burn in hell, you ho!

    • Marilyn N
      04/24/2013 at 5:06 pm

      Yep, she is writing out instructions for WilNot as things go along……..

  151. Anonymous
    04/24/2013 at 5:06 pm

    Jodi and Wilmott, get a room you two

  152. Gracerv7
    04/24/2013 at 5:07 pm

    I feel so bad for this witness! He seems so nervous and I wonder if maybe he’s struggled w a stutter…if so that had to be so hard.

  153. Marilyn N
    04/24/2013 at 5:08 pm

    Granny looks pretty young!

  154. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 5:08 pm

    OOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMGGGGGGGGGGGG That “family” of hers!!! get out the popcorn cuz these folks think they are at a bad movie!!

  155. Gracerv7
    04/24/2013 at 5:09 pm

    You know what’s so ironic? On her 48 hours mystery video she talks about being a photographer and how she loves being BEHIND the camera but all I see is her in front of it. And it’s doing her in.

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 5:26 pm

      Well said! That, and her very own compulsion to photo herself!

  156. 04/24/2013 at 5:10 pm

    7feet high! That’s one giant Superman leap the ho made!!!

  157. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 5:12 pm

    whatever asshole is keeping the camera on her makes me want to slap ’em

  158. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 5:13 pm

    whatza matta, ho??? another lie found out LOUD AND CLEAR!!!

  159. Marilyn N
    04/24/2013 at 5:14 pm

    uuuummmph! He made it out of the recliner!

    • 04/24/2013 at 5:38 pm

      Open to anyone that knows-who is the man sitting next to the MS?

  160. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 5:15 pm

    I……want…to talk….to you….about Wormi talkin

    • Anonymous
      04/24/2013 at 5:43 pm

      Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd……………uhhhhhhh……….we got some………..uh……..shelves…..here………………….and…….Wanna go and smack him on the side of the head. My 17 year old son could make a better defense attorney than wurmi and he’s still in H.S.

  161. Marilyn N
    04/24/2013 at 5:16 pm

    JA is setting WillNot straight with the facts…..

  162. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 5:17 pm

    he’s such a thinker you see he cant talk so fast

  163. Marilyn N
    04/24/2013 at 5:18 pm

    Sorry but Wormi’s stomach seriously looks like it is going to POP!!

  164. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 5:18 pm

    How is the worm gonna make Flores look bad?

    • 04/24/2013 at 5:20 pm

      Wormi was just asking all those stupid measuring questions waiting on Mr Flores to say something like he just did so wormi could try to pull a Juan… did not work!

  165. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 5:21 pm

    for 250 an hour we’re gonna see what a wiz duh-fence attorney has to say; so far he’s got the witness to say about 20 times that he didnt measure each shelf. he’s moving in for the kill….You heard that wobo has a “high IQ”??WTF…

  166. PK
    04/24/2013 at 5:23 pm

    Flores didn’t measure Nurmi’s waist either, Only a 10 foot tape!

  167. Marilyn N
    04/24/2013 at 5:23 pm

    10 minutes of nothing so far!

    • Marilyn N
      04/24/2013 at 5:24 pm

      And he said “Okay” about 35 times……

  168. Family of Law
    04/24/2013 at 5:24 pm

    Just got home- and fired up my iPad- I’m just in time to see Wurmi’s BULGING gut protrude over his invisible belt- S L O W L Y talk about nothing. Heading upstairs to find out what you all had to say about the results of the hearing and motions- hope it was good news!

  169. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 5:25 pm

    wurm you are a fn POS eeeeeeeannnnnnd hahahhahah

    gotta love it tho, he sure is helping to fry the ho!

    oh and now wants to ? EF beyond the scope of rebuttle!

    talk about a circus!!

  170. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 5:25 pm

    and….it…there was no….was there shelves over there?…Ok…were they as high as the other shelves?…Ms arias didnt say the gun was here or here or here. Ok. In your work in this case…WAYYYY beyond the scope. Wormi all of a sudden asks him if he remember sthat someone said Travis was addicted to wobo. WTF????? Is this guy for real.

    • 04/24/2013 at 5:26 pm


    • Marilyn N
      04/24/2013 at 5:28 pm

      Guess he aint got nothing else??

    • 04/24/2013 at 5:30 pm

      yup he just made himself look real foolish..I love it. tehehe

      • Jay
        04/24/2013 at 5:32 pm

        he’s good at that

  171. 04/24/2013 at 5:32 pm

    O M G !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  172. Marilyn N
    04/24/2013 at 5:33 pm

    Maybe searching for a new excuse now?

  173. 04/24/2013 at 5:34 pm

    Is he going to do that for the rest of the evening??? wtf u FF!!??!!

  174. Jay
    04/24/2013 at 5:34 pm

    did anyone see the photo of the detective pushing on the closet shelf, or whatever happened there — there was no shot of it on the live feed I’m watching

    • Jay
      04/24/2013 at 5:35 pm

      did the shelf tip or collapse?

    • 04/24/2013 at 5:37 pm

      I did not see it..thought I just had my head in my arse and missed it…:0

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/24/2013 at 5:38 pm

      no because the “director” of the live feed (which means the a-hole in the editing truck) decided that the image of wobo was the most important thing for viewers to see. The freakin camera should be like a gallery member’s POV. It should “sit” in the pews; it sure as hell shouldnt cut back and forth as if it was a sports event or a soap opera.OMG another RECESS!!!!!

      • Jay
        04/24/2013 at 5:41 pm

        everything all the cameras see should be on digital,right? So hopefully we’ll probably see it on one of the HLN shows.

      • 04/24/2013 at 7:01 pm

        I saw the photo on HLN (i know, i know)but Flores had is hand on the shelf and it tipped.

    • 04/24/2013 at 5:46 pm

      They are showing the pic now on my live feed..

  175. Marilyn N
    04/24/2013 at 5:34 pm

    Oh ya – It’s Flores’ fault!

  176. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 5:34 pm

    After ONE of their numerous meetings and suidebars and secret meetings, you’d think the freakin JUDGE would say look guys this and thius and this is IN; this and this and this is OUT. Dont fuck around and lkets go.

    • 04/24/2013 at 5:37 pm

      Seriously Judge! Get some cojones….or borrow them from DoNoMan!!

  177. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 5:35 pm

    I mean now its rebutttal and he’s asking the Det about saying something on “48 hours”!!!!WTF???? Earlier what someone said to the Detective. WTH?Juanster had to put a stop to this.

  178. HJ Madison
    04/24/2013 at 5:37 pm

    Wurmi almost said …. you have heard Miss Arias has the IQ of Einstein. LOL.

    • 04/24/2013 at 5:39 pm

      Yeah! Einstein’s current IQ! No, actually….I pretty sure if they tested AE’s shriveled up brain….I think he still has her beat!! Nevermind!

  179. Marilyn N
    04/24/2013 at 5:37 pm

    What did she say – I missed that??

  180. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/24/2013 at 5:39 pm

    Marilyn N :
    Anyone else irritated when JA stretches her neck? But then, everything she does is

    Just like a lizard!

  181. HJ Madison
    04/24/2013 at 5:39 pm

    I mean Nurmi … they are all so awful … Nurmi was asking Flores about WOBO’s Big IQ ….

  182. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 5:39 pm

    omg court has been on for one freaking hour……
    once again it appears when judge isn’t sure she takes a recess and hopes evthing will go away. and whatdya wanna bet the fugly wurm will ask to approach when the ’10 min’ go by… you all KNOW that it won’t be back on in 10, dontcha???? aaaaarrrrggghhhhh

  183. Elexa
    04/24/2013 at 5:40 pm


  184. Elexa
    04/24/2013 at 5:41 pm

    btw, Hello everyone!!

  185. Marilyn N
    04/24/2013 at 5:43 pm

    WOrmi is trying to talk like he knows what he’s talking about, but he’s going no where!!!!!
    a babbling baffooooooon!!

  186. Marilyn N
    04/24/2013 at 5:44 pm

    There’s the shelf now on the screen!!

    • Jay
      04/24/2013 at 5:47 pm

      they obviously heard us complaining about missing it 🙂

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 5:55 pm

      What did it show? I was rewinding HLN to see if I missed it??? Did the shelf collapse?

      • Elexa
        04/24/2013 at 6:15 pm

        It tilted.

  187. Elexa
    04/24/2013 at 5:45 pm

    I think the producers are on drugs.

  188. Jay
    04/24/2013 at 5:46 pm

    back to the SEAL on my feed.

  189. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 5:47 pm

    Not that long ago, the courts in Penn convicted Sandusky and put him away for life and presented witnesses for 10 different cases and all was done in about 6 weeks. It sure as hell didnt cost the taxpayers 2 or 3 million dollars.Gee, when there is no one looking over their shoulder, the lawyers and judges of America -in many cases -simply do what is best for THEM. I mean, can you imagine, say, a surgery of conjoining twins, being run like this? Or making a motion picture? Or putting on a concert? Or making bread? Gee whiz.

    • Lisa M
      04/24/2013 at 6:37 pm

      But remember, Robert, death is different! We’ve been hearing that ad nauseum. Apparently in a DP case, you can do whatever you want.

  190. Lisa M
    04/24/2013 at 5:47 pm

    Listening to Nurmi is like listening to fingernails scratching a blackboard. Oh, he’s such a worm!

  191. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 5:48 pm

    does anyone know where nimrod was going with all the eeeeeeeannnd she didn’t say the gun was here, here.. there… wtf was all that about???

    • Gracerv7
      04/24/2013 at 6:08 pm

      My guess is nowhere. Smoke and mirrors to confuse the jury.

    • Marilyn N
      04/24/2013 at 6:55 pm

      Maybe he was just putting in more time for his paycheck since it will be coming to an end soon!!

  192. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/24/2013 at 5:48 pm

    OK…..we old hens need some clarification here! What was the deal with the pictures? What was it showing or supposed to show??? Mannnnn….told these old hens not to pop that cork yet! We don’t get it! Help! Quick explanation pls!

    • Family of Law
      04/24/2013 at 5:53 pm

      Aw what the Hell girls, pop the cork!

    • truejustice
      04/24/2013 at 5:55 pm

      JM was showing how high to reach and the shelves where the peg kind.
      wurmi was showing… I have no clue … and I havn’t even popped the cork yet LOL

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/24/2013 at 5:55 pm

      My dear hens: I was confused as well; particularly since the camera chose to show wobo rather than evidence. They were poics taken on JUNE 3 2008 and showed wobo with BROWN hair.

      • Jay
        04/24/2013 at 6:02 pm

        There was a blond photo in there too,right? Indicates a day before she went to kill him she changed hair color: evidence of premeditation for prosecution

  193. Family of Law
    04/24/2013 at 5:50 pm

    Just saw that the jury is scheduled to be given the case on May 3rd! Gaaawd I hope that’s accurate!

    • Family of Law
      04/24/2013 at 5:51 pm

      So I am emptying my calendar for May 1st and 2nd for closing arguments!

      • 04/24/2013 at 5:54 pm

        I have a cabin in the ozarks rented starting the 2nd…oh no

      • truejustice
        04/24/2013 at 5:58 pm

        UG .. I’m busy the morning of May 1st. Hopefully I’ll just wurmi or wilnots rambling .

      • Family of Law
        04/24/2013 at 6:00 pm

        Yikes! I hope you get WIFI or at the very least cable!

      • 04/24/2013 at 6:01 pm

        nope ..no wifi…no cable…rarely a cell signal………oh my……

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/24/2013 at 6:02 pm

        I think most here will do likewise!! New meaning to May Day this year. Although it wont surprise me if we’re also celebrating Cinco di Mayo and still having sidebars.

      • Family of Law
        04/24/2013 at 6:09 pm

        Ack! Tupelomz! You’ll have to make a drive to the nearest WIFI- but if course, this schedule is bound to change in this crazy circus – maybe JA will have another migraine!

      • Gracerv7
        04/24/2013 at 6:10 pm

        I’ll be in London then Paris from May 5th through the 12th so ill be looking to you good people to keep me informed!!

      • Family of Law
        04/24/2013 at 6:11 pm

        Hi Robert!!!! Hmmm… Cinco de Mayo means tequila! That would work nicely!

      • Family of Law
        04/24/2013 at 6:14 pm

        Grace- maybe on May 3rd, the jury will only need 5 minutes to deliberate their GUILTY in the 1st!

  194. kelleyyyy
    04/24/2013 at 5:52 pm

    16 minutes and counting… uggghhhhhh

  195. Lisa M
    04/24/2013 at 5:52 pm

    I’m very glad to hear the new timeline for next week, HLN is saying closing arguments will be on May 1st and 2cd, and the jury will get the case on May 3rd. But let’s be real– that won’t happen! Especially since now they’re also saying that tomorrow’s a short day and there’s no court this Friday or next Monday!

    • Elexa
      04/24/2013 at 6:21 pm

      tomorrow is a short day??
      I thought she said no trial until next Wed at 9am (ha ha!) and that they would go as long as it takes.

      Is there trial tomorrow?

      • truejustice
        04/24/2013 at 6:31 pm

        She said the jurors where to be there for a short time.
        Maybe there is a witness scheduled for tomorrow – something short like the last few ?

      • HJ Madison
        04/24/2013 at 6:32 pm

        Just re-wound HLN … Tomorrow at 9:30. Just a short time. Due to witness scheduling issues, reconvene on Wednesday, May 1st. They will start at 9 and go ALL DAY until done (maybe way after 5 pm). Final instructions on Thursday. Closings begin on Thursday and conclude on Friday, so they will get the case Friday, and can start to deliberate.

  196. kelleyyyy
    04/24/2013 at 5:54 pm

    they need 4 days just for da worm to say.. 10 words

  197. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/24/2013 at 5:54 pm

    Anonymous :
    Jodi and Wilmott, get a room you two

    Can’t….JA already has a date with DONOMAN!

    • Lisa M
      04/24/2013 at 6:42 pm

      Did you notice Jodi motioning over Wilmott, like “Come here, come here,” earlier? Wow, she treats Wilmott like she’s a puppet on a string. Guess we know who wears the pants in this “relationship.”

  198. HJ Madison
    04/24/2013 at 5:56 pm

    What is really awful ….. the same paint color in that closet! Gees, did they not re-paint? Ugh!!

  199. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 5:59 pm

    o,,, i c!! now the ho didn’t REALLY mean she stepped on the shelf when she testiLIED… she just vaulted right up the RAIL! ooops her bad!!! FFS 👿

  200. 04/24/2013 at 5:59 pm

    Court schedule : tomorrow-9:30. Will be a short time
    May 1st-potentially a long day. They will stay until finished with witnesses (wed)
    May 2nd- thurs-final jury instruction and closing arguments
    May 3rd(Friday)-finish closing arguments and the case is handed to the jury

    Looks like no superrebuttlal-yeah!!!!

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 6:05 pm

      What testimony are we hearing next Wednesday, May 1st??? That will go until it is finished??? Starting at 9 am and done to accommodate a witness??? Hmmmm…. I just do not know ….. JM is about done. Only the ME left I think, and earlier Beth Karas said he was scheduled for tomorrow. Just wondering???

    • Lisa M
      04/24/2013 at 6:43 pm

      So no court on Friday, Monday or Tuesday? May 1st is Wednesday.

    • 04/24/2013 at 6:48 pm

      I just knew this wasn’t going to be done in April…sigh. Anyone taking bets on how long the jury will be out? Who is going to hold the money? LOL…

  201. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 5:59 pm

    So in chambers they put an end to wormi asking stuff like that; as if saying wobo is “smart” (hahahaha) means anything. Juan stopped that in its tracks. Wish we could have SEEN the damn pics but the goddam stream director has joined Dodgy and LaLa apparently and is infatuated with that skank.

  202. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 6:03 pm

    tupelomz :
    nope ..no wifi…no cable…rarely a cell signal………oh my……

    Hey…donttake this lying down! Get them datyes changed! Beg them! hell, LIE to them.

    • 04/24/2013 at 6:07 pm

      I wish *sigh*… I am soooooo bummed right now, I think I will pop a cork. :/

      • HJ Madison
        04/24/2013 at 6:12 pm

        No … take heart … the jury will not start to deliberate until Monday following. So, you can catch up on closings via Youtube before the jury comes back …. unless your rental is for way long ….

      • 04/24/2013 at 6:19 pm

        Thank you HJM! That does give me hope !

  203. 04/24/2013 at 6:04 pm

    who did jencasauras’s makeup today a mortician?

    • Moon
      04/24/2013 at 6:48 pm


  204. 04/24/2013 at 6:04 pm

    Lisa :
    Court schedule : tomorrow-9:30. Will be a short time
    May 1st-potentially a long day. They will stay until finished with witnesses (wed)
    May 2nd- thurs-final jury instruction and closing arguments<
    May 3rd(Friday)-finish closing arguments and the case is handed to the jury
    Looks like no superrebuttlal-yeah!!!!

    Forgot to include no court until Wed May 1st due to scheduling of witnesses.

    • Nancy Pennington
      04/24/2013 at 6:54 pm

      Lisa: do you think the long day on the first is for the surrebuttal?? I wondered if JM is going to finish tomorrow (thus the shortened day) and then Wurmi & Wingnut need time to get their witless’s prepared?????

      • Anonymous
        04/24/2013 at 7:28 pm

        Oh no, u might b right…I sure hope not….

  205. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/24/2013 at 6:07 pm

    Jay :
    There was a blond photo in there too,right? Indicates a day before she went to kill him she changed hair color: evidence of premeditation for prosecution

    Ohhhhh….then we must have missed that blond photo! We thought that’s where he was going with the photos of her in the car and with her sister, but we didn’t see the comparison photo!! Oh Wow!! Good one JM….keep it coming!!

    Thanks all for the explanation!! I’ll give the gals their wine glasses back!!

    • Jay
      04/24/2013 at 6:12 pm

      not a hundred percent sure of the blonde, CiCi — but I think I saw a flash of her blonde head when he was ruffling the photos for Flores…

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/24/2013 at 6:16 pm

        I thought I saw one of her, with blond hair and a black dog. But they didnt stay up rhere for long or if they were there, we’re stuck with wobo and her stretching her fuckin neck

    • Laine
      04/24/2013 at 6:33 pm

      Don’t forget car hire guy said she was blonde when she hired the car….pics then show her june 3rd with dark brown hair….case closed methinks! 🙂

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/24/2013 at 6:46 pm

        forgot that testimony! Perfecto.

  206. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 6:12 pm

    OOOOOO evtime that WASTE OF LIFE touches her neck and throat all I can see is that horrible image of poor Travis. I want her head to be clawed off….. sorry if that sounds bad …. 👿

    • Family of Law
      04/24/2013 at 6:26 pm

      Me too! She’s obsessed with her throat, and it bugs the sh*t out of me! I saw a body language expert say that that’s a sign of “self soothing”!

      • Moon
        04/24/2013 at 6:36 pm

        oh well now i’ve heard it all!! she ‘obviously’ was self soothing as she sliced T’s throat. evil evil evil evil

    • Family of Law
      04/24/2013 at 6:44 pm

      I keep remembering what you wrote last night every time I see the evil trio sitting at the defense table- it “self soothes” me! Lol!

      • Moon
        04/24/2013 at 6:52 pm

        lol! ty 🙂

  207. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 6:13 pm

    Jay :
    everything all the cameras see should be on digital,right? So hopefully we’ll probably see it on one of the HLN shows. f

    My guess is that the 2 or 3 cameras angles flow into a central monitor and what is chosen is preserved. They film over what is not used. Could be mistaken on this, but its my take and I’m stickin with it.

    • Jay
      04/24/2013 at 6:15 pm

      if they show it on HLN later I’ll post the info here…

  208. Jay
    04/24/2013 at 6:14 pm

    This is ridiculous.. really…

  209. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 6:14 pm

    well my guess is , if they allow any of these ?s we will be done for the day as soon as it’s over.

  210. Anonymous
    04/24/2013 at 6:15 pm

    How much ya wanna bet Jodi trademarks the name Jodi

  211. HJ Madison
    04/24/2013 at 6:16 pm

    JA looks like she is tattling on another juror!

    • Family of Law
      04/24/2013 at 6:36 pm

      I think so too- Jenkasaurus said last night that JA has her sights on a “polished” middle aged female juror that apparently looked very disturbed during Wurmster’s disgusting cross of Deanna yesterday.

  212. Marilyn N
    04/24/2013 at 6:18 pm

    Wow – the attic questions!

  213. Marilyn N
    04/24/2013 at 6:19 pm

    And we know JA has EXTRA long fingers!!

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 6:24 pm

      Oh ICK!!!!!

    • 04/24/2013 at 6:27 pm

      like Nosferato

      • HJ Madison
        04/24/2013 at 6:37 pm

        Oh really ICK!!! Thank heaven she does not have long nails… I wonder if she is forced to have them clipped, or if she just chews them off now.

  214. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 6:21 pm

    surprised by one juror question about wobos ability to reach. I mean does someone still think that she actually went into the closet?

    • Family of Law
      04/24/2013 at 6:30 pm

      Yeah, I get hearing that- but I do believe that this is a thorough jury, just covering the bases- I thought all the remaining questions were obviously pointing towards JA being a big fat lying ho-bag!

  215. Marilyn N
    04/24/2013 at 6:23 pm

    egad – chambers! Could be awhile!!!!!

  216. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/24/2013 at 6:23 pm

    and….you checked…you said the entrance to the attic….Ok….you talked about the attic..under your supervision..so your observation based on observatuions..so again you’re testifying to your impressions just like you did with Dr Horne. Thats the worm. Hes done with Det and ANOTHER RECESS!

    • Marilyn N
      04/24/2013 at 6:25 pm

      And again, trying to sound like he’s saying something when he’s really not.
      Maybe he can fool the jurors!!

  217. Jay
    04/24/2013 at 6:24 pm

    no bullets no gun cleaning kit no box or holster for gun – bam!

  218. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 6:27 pm

    Well, based on those juror ?s… there is either still a holdout ORRRRRR (God Willing) an astute juror that wants to ENSURE the other jurors are “getting it”

  219. Jay
    04/24/2013 at 6:27 pm

    round pegs – nothing disturbed on shelves – (the sound of solitary death watch jail cell doors closing)

  220. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 6:31 pm

    i guess i was holding out hope that the computer guy would tell us it was the ho’s ISP accessing TA’s accounts….

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 6:34 pm

      Me too.

    • truejustice
      04/24/2013 at 6:36 pm

      That would have been great!

  221. Jay
    04/24/2013 at 6:34 pm

    HLN transcript on line now say the arias photos are of her, taken on June 3, 2008, showing her with brown hair.

    • Marilyn N
      04/24/2013 at 6:36 pm

      What was the one photo with the dog?

      • Moon
        04/24/2013 at 6:40 pm

        i think the one with her and her sis and her and the dog were taken jun 2 or the day she left on her “trip”…… he was showing her with dif hair color on jun 2 and then dark hair on jun 3……

    • Jay
      04/24/2013 at 6:37 pm

      She took them herself. They’re only showing one of them. Remember all the descriptions of her with ‘weird eyes? Check it out here (at 4:58 p.pm)


      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/24/2013 at 6:50 pm

        maybe they can re- call that nerdy son of the NBC executive who wants to be an expert! He can testify what’s in wobo;s eyes.

    • truejustice
      04/24/2013 at 6:44 pm

      I’m so confused. So was there any photos dated to see when she had blonde hair or was it just an implication

      • Jay
        04/24/2013 at 6:50 pm

        I don’t know what it means yet.

  222. Laine
    04/24/2013 at 6:38 pm

    Really happy to hear trial looks to be closing next week….I fly out to Istanbul for work on mon 6th May not sure how the internet connection will be! To have followed this far and miss the verdict would be just my darn luck!!

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 6:44 pm

      So sorry …. unless this is an OJ repeat, probably no verdict by then. No money for security at the courthouse over the weekend. So, they will start to deliberate on Friday, but likely go into the following week. 😦

      • Laine
        04/24/2013 at 6:56 pm

        Oh no! 😦 Well here’s hoping my connection is good then!! thanks for letting me know HJ

  223. Jim
    04/24/2013 at 6:41 pm

    Well, at least the attic questions help us understand why the sidebar for jury questions was so long. Those were beyond the scope of the rebuttal, and wurmi was doing everything he could to keep it out, because he knew a juror was on to another lie from the Ho… I think they can now rest assured that very little they heard from her was the truth…

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 6:48 pm

      Jim… hello! So… whatmis your opinion on the surrebuttal question?

      • Jim
        04/24/2013 at 6:50 pm

        Are you asking me if I think there will be one?

      • HJ Madison
        04/24/2013 at 6:54 pm

        Yes… do tell…. big talk that the defense has a rebuttal to Dr. DeMarte rebuttal that WOBO has borderline. Now we hear that “due to witness scheduling”, we have a little tomorrow and then not again until next Wednesday. And the judge emphasized “and we will go ALL day, until we are done on Wednesday”. Thoughts???

      • Jim
        04/24/2013 at 6:59 pm

        Yes, the announcement of the scheduling is causing me to believe she will permit a very limited surrebuttal. It also causes me to believe that even at this late date in this case, the defense team hasn’t learned a thing about the potential downside of exposing their witnesses to Juan Martinez…

    • Family of Law
      04/24/2013 at 6:50 pm

      Hi Jim! I was SO happy to hear the attic Q’s! Clearly they aren’t buying her story about helping Travis load boxes into the attic- and coming back to retrieve the “angel” (because he’d be so mad that she forgot it!) and accidentally walked in on him and his under-roo pics- I love this jury, and hope I feel the same way when the jury comes back!

  224. Lisa M
    04/24/2013 at 6:48 pm

    HJ Madison :
    Just re-wound HLN … Tomorrow at 9:30. Just a short time. Due to witness scheduling issues, reconvene on Wednesday, May 1st. They will start at 9 and go ALL DAY until done (maybe way after 5 pm). Final instructions on Thursday. Closings begin on Thursday and conclude on Friday, so they will get the case Friday, and can start to deliberate.

    Think we know who’ll be getting a migraine next Wednesday!

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 6:50 pm

      No kidding! Maybe her BFF will bring an extra delicious power bar for her.

  225. 04/24/2013 at 6:58 pm

    Who will do the defense closing arguments? Deputy Dawg or Skreech?

  226. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 6:59 pm

    looks like this will be another case of bring back in the jury just to dismiss them.
    duhfense:::: wankers!!

  227. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/24/2013 at 7:01 pm

    Wild About Trial 2 @WildaboutTrial2

    I just got confirmation that we are done for the day and trial will resume tomorrow at 9:30am. #JodiArias

    • 04/24/2013 at 7:03 pm

      ok thanks Ci Ci

    • Family of Law
      04/24/2013 at 7:05 pm

      Humph! I wonder what happened? Maybe Wurmi wants to file another mistrial based on the fact this jury thinks his client is as guilty as sin!?! Did you and the girls pop that cork yet?

  228. HJ Madison
    04/24/2013 at 7:01 pm

    You know … leave it to Jane Velez Mitchell to start SCREAMING about JA’s grandmother.

  229. 04/24/2013 at 7:02 pm

    My feed just went dead… did they dismiss court for the day and I missed it? I thought they were in chambers?

  230. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 7:03 pm

    hmmmm they didn’t even bring the jury back, did they?? my screen has gone to lines and only screetching pitch why should i have expected more??

  231. HJ Madison
    04/24/2013 at 7:10 pm

    Jim :
    Yes, the announcement of the scheduling is causing me to believe she will permit a very limited surrebuttal. It also causes me to believe that even at this late date in this case, the defense team hasn’t learned a thing about the potential downside of exposing their witnesses to Juan Martinez…

    Just amazing! This judge has given so much latitude! I just hope it is all in the name of preventing reversal and this WOBO’s one singular bite at this rotten apple and she ends up with half of a worm!

  232. Nancy Pennington
    04/24/2013 at 7:15 pm

    I’d like to ask JVM if she has a hearing problem. WHY does she need to shriek instead of just speaking in normal tones????????????????????

  233. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 7:22 pm

    well now HLN saying the ho is tweeting again??? WTH???
    are you kidding me??????

  234. donchais
  235. NancyB
    04/24/2013 at 7:29 pm

    We still do not know whether the judge has allowed their sur-rebuttal but if Geffner’s allowed to testify I really won’t understand. That DeMarte Dx JA with BPD is NOT new. The defense has known this info for ages. DeMarte testified that she wrote a detailed report and I’m sure they deposed her as well. Also, Dr Doofus testified in response to a smart juror question, that he did Dx her with some personality disorder from the results of the testing but that he didn’t pursue it.

    Look what Jose Mcyntire scoped out! La La & Geffner know each other well. Geffner has edited her book and see the following:

    Faculty Include:
    Robert Geffner, Ph.D.
    Geraldine Butts Stahly, Ph.D.
    Alice LaViolette, M.S.
    Other Invited Speakers

    Robert Geffner, Ph.D., ABPN is the President and Founder of the
    Family Violence & Sexual Assault Institute, in CA and TX, and is a Clinical
    Research Professor of Psychology at the California School of
    Professional Psychology in San Diego. He is the Executive Editor of the
    Family Violence & Sexual Assault Bulletin, and Editor-in-Chief of the
    Haworth Maltreatment & Trauma Press. He is a licensed Psychologist and a
    licensed Marriage & Family Therapist. He has authored and edited
    numerous books, chapters, and articles concerning family violence, child
    maltreatment, forensic psychology, child custody, and neuropsychology,
    He has a Diplomate in Clinical Neuropsychology, and has been an adjunct
    faculty member for the National Judicial College for over 10 years.
    Geraldine Butts Stahly, Ph.D. is an Associate Professor of
    Psychology at California State University, San Bernardino. She has
    conducted research, authored articles and chapters, and served on
    several task forces and committees dealing with child custody and
    domestic violence issues. She conducted one of the original research
    studies concerning domestic violence in custody cases in California.
    Alyce LaViolette, M.S. is the Co-Director of Alternatives
    Counseling Associates and Founder of Alternatives to Violence in Long
    Beach & west Los Angeles. She is Co-Chair of the California Association of
    Batterer Intervention Programs (CABIP), and is the co-author of It Could
    Happen to Anyone: Why Battered Women Stay. She a licensed Marriage & Family
    Therapist. She does training nationally and internationally. Info: @josemcyntire

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