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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – Day Fifty-Three

04/24/2013

Yesterday was a good day for Travis.  Juan moved quickly through several rebuttal witnesses and punched major holes in Jodi’s testiphony.  Nurmi was absolutely brutal to Deanna Reid, but she held her own.  He was especially cruel in tearing down Travis’ family and the pain was so evident on the kid’s faces!

Court reversed itself and is holding the hearing behind closed doors…accckkk.  I’d like a dollar for every minute of my time the court has wasted!  I can’t imagine being a juror in Arizona!!!

OK, all this jerking around and sad side-show, (if we ever get started here, wanna bet we start with a sidebar?) Court officially reconvenes at 1:43.

Jodi’s grandmother in court today!

Trial schedule…tomorrow 9:30 for a short while.  OMG May 1st they are to arrive at 9am till they finish and maybe after 5pm.

Jury instructions on Thursday, closing arguments on Thursday and Friday!

Surrebuttal, on Wednesday obviously!

State calls Robert Brown.  Mesa Detective in computer forensics unit.

He examined the Helio phone and recovered photographs.

Screen shot 2013-04-24 at 4.51.37 PMJodi looking the most unhappy, I’ve seen her so far!  She obviously lost big-time in the closed door hearing!

He identifies photos taken on June 3rd 2008.

Juan shows a photo that Jodi took of herself she has brown hair!  Shows a second and she has brown hair.

So hair colored from blondish in front to brown June 2-3!

Can you say premeditation?

Juan done.

Nurmi up and asks how Brown knows the photos were from the Helio phone.  Brown goes through the mechanics.

That’s it!

State calls Det.Flores.  He returned to Travis’ house this year and did the investigation of the closet!

They never found a holster or gun case or bullets in the house during the original investigation!

Flores identifies photos of the closet area.  The spacing of the shelves is the same except for 3 shelves that he moved to the original positions and describes the metal pins that hold them in place.

We all have had those kinds of shelves and know what happens when ya lean on them!

This is what happens!

8 feet to the ceiling of the closet and 7 1/2 half to the top of the shelves.

Jodi truly looks like she knows her goose is cooked!

Juan done, Nurmi up…

Flores didn’t measure the shelves individually.

Doesn’t matter, we still knows what happens if Jodi stepped on it.

Nurmi on, did you measure this, did you measure this, did you measure this?

Why didn’t you measure?  There was no need.

I didn’t ask you if there was a need, did I?  No.

Nurmi struggling really hard to say all the shelves were not where Jodi says the gun was kept.

Didn’t Jodi say top shelf???

OMG, Nurmi just brought up the Hughes saying Travis was addicted to Jodi!!!!  That’s not up for discussion!!!

Judge has them approach.

Nurmi comes back with the same question…Juan objects for hearsay.

Approach…

She can’t be letting this crapolla in????

Do you remember doing an interview with 48 Hours?  Yes.

You told that correspondent something provoked Ms. Arias…

Objection, beyond scope…

Approach…

Nurmi trying to sneak all sorts of crap in that has nothing to do with rebuttal!  He’s trying to say provoked to go for manslaughter!

Jury sent out for recess…

Think Nurmi is having a meltdown…he’s got nothing left and is spinning wheels!  He’s a fish flopping around on the deck of a boat that’s sinking!

Court back at 2:54 with the ever-unpopular sidebar…

Nurmi asks Flores if he didn’t investigate how the closet shelves would react if one hit another?  No.

Juan…why did you concentrate on the area you did?  That’s where the defendant said the gun was.

Juror questions…

Any record of a gun registered to Travis?  No.

Was anything out of place in the closet?  No

Did any roommates have a gun permit?  No.

Jodi said she helped Travis store things in the attic, did you find anything?  No.

There are beams you could set something on, but the rest is dry wall.

Juan has nothing…

Nurmi lumbers to the podium…

Registration of weapons, is registration required?  No.

You checked the attic or did someone else search the attic?  Under my supervision.

So again, you did not search the area yourself?  No, it was reported to be standard construction.

Jury sent to jury room again!  Counsel called to chambers!

I would lie my azz off to get out of jury duty in AZ!!!

Wild About Trial 2  @WildaboutTrial2

I just got confirmation that we are done for the day and trial will resume tomorrow at 9:30am.

Damn!!!!!

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  1. Chrissie A
    04/24/2013 at 7:33 pm

    Excellent recap Donchais, thank you so much!
    “Jodi truly looks like she knows her goose is cooked!”
    Very noticeable change in her demeanor – and Nurmi is looking and sounding so desperate!
    Let’s hope we get some worthwhile testimony tomorrow 🙂 ~hugs~

    • donchais
      04/24/2013 at 7:35 pm

      Back at ya toots!

  2. 04/24/2013 at 7:34 pm

    Hey everyone!!! Donchais , as usual, thanks for your hard work and dedication. Here’s to a Juanderful evening… Or, in Syn’s case, morning? Please enjoy our tomorrow. 🙂

    • donchais
      04/24/2013 at 7:36 pm

      Ta Deco!

  3. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 7:37 pm

    thank you so much Donchais! It takes every last nerve to sit through all this.

    an astute caller just phoned in and made the point (Juan, please take note)… how, during the interview with flores, when the ho was telling the ninja story, how she said Travis would just not die. As the caller points out… who would think THAT?

    [the true cold blooded killer named HODI would that’s who]

  4. Anonymous
    04/24/2013 at 7:39 pm

    Hi Donchais, Ty so much.
    U mentioned u don’t think there will be sur rebuttal, but the judge said they won’t meet til next wed because of witness scheduling. Could that mean dt might have their sur rebuttal witness?

    • 04/24/2013 at 8:01 pm

      Hi All….I don’t post a lot but have been watching this trial and all of your posts….love them all. What is a sur rebuttal? Thank you….Justice to Travis and his family. Thank you soooo much Donchais and everyone on this site. You make watching this trial a little more tolerable. Hugs and waves…..md

      • donchais
        04/24/2013 at 8:11 pm

        surebuttal is the defense trying to get a last shot in.

      • kristin
        04/24/2013 at 8:40 pm

        {Hugs} back!

    • Nancy Pennington
      04/24/2013 at 11:00 pm

      I posted this earlier…I think May 1st is going to be the surrebuttal . Sounds like JM plans to finish his rebuttal tomorrow, thus the short day and then Wurmi & Wingnut need to prep their witness or witnesses for next Wednesday. Also, question?? Are the jury instructions given before or after closing arguments????? Anybody?????

  5. Anonymous
    04/24/2013 at 7:40 pm

    Just testing cuz my posts aren’t showing up

  6. Wendy
    04/24/2013 at 7:41 pm

    Thanks Donchais!! Great recap. Don’t know what I would do without you as I missed most of this today. 😊

  7. NancyB
    04/24/2013 at 7:42 pm

    We still do not know whether the judge has allowed their sur-rebuttal but if Geffner’s allowed to testify I really won’t understand. That DeMarte Dx JA with BPD is NOT new. The defense has known this info for ages. DeMarte testified that she wrote a detailed report and I’m sure they deposed her as well. Also, Dr Doofus testified in response to a smart juror question, that he did Dx her with some personality disorder from the results of the testing but that he didn’t pursue it.

    Look what Jose Mcyntire scoped out! La La & Geffner know each other well. Geffner has edited her book and see the following:

    Faculty Include:
    Robert Geffner, Ph.D.
    Geraldine Butts Stahly, Ph.D.
    Alice LaViolette, M.S.
    and
    Other Invited Speakers

    Robert Geffner, Ph.D., ABPN is the President and Founder of the
    Family Violence & Sexual Assault Institute, in CA and TX, and is a Clinical
    Research Professor of Psychology at the California School of
    Professional Psychology in San Diego. He is the Executive Editor of the
    Family Violence & Sexual Assault Bulletin, and Editor-in-Chief of the
    Haworth Maltreatment & Trauma Press. He is a licensed Psychologist and a
    licensed Marriage & Family Therapist. He has authored and edited
    numerous books, chapters, and articles concerning family violence, child
    maltreatment, forensic psychology, child custody, and neuropsychology,
    He has a Diplomate in Clinical Neuropsychology, and has been an adjunct
    faculty member for the National Judicial College for over 10 years.
    Geraldine Butts Stahly, Ph.D. is an Associate Professor of
    Psychology at California State University, San Bernardino. She has
    conducted research, authored articles and chapters, and served on
    several task forces and committees dealing with child custody and
    domestic violence issues. She conducted one of the original research
    studies concerning domestic violence in custody cases in California.
    Alyce LaViolette, M.S. is the Co-Director of Alternatives
    Counseling Associates and Founder of Alternatives to Violence in Long
    Beach & west Los Angeles. She is Co-Chair of the California Association of
    Batterer Intervention Programs (CABIP), and is the co-author of It Could
    Happen to Anyone: Why Battered Women Stay. She a licensed Marriage & Family
    Therapist. She does training nationally and internationally. Info: @josemcyntire

    • donchais
      04/24/2013 at 7:52 pm

      Geffner has been impeached in at least two court cases, big time..think he’s persona non gratis!

    • Jim
      04/24/2013 at 7:52 pm

      Hi Nancy! 🙂 I’m on the wagon with the folks that now think there will be a (limited) surrebuttal case – the indication from the court that Weds is likely to be a marathon session is the reason I’m thinking this – JM’s rebuttal witnesses have been very quick, and the defense has had no choice but to limit their cross of them – A (limited) surrebuttal is the only thing that really explains next weeks schedule (coupled with that comment from the court)…

      • NancyB
        04/24/2013 at 9:37 pm

        Hi Jim, I’m in agreement. Juan’s last witness is Dr Horn ME tomr so Wed is sur-rebuttal even though I think it’s ludicrous.

  8. Gwen
    04/24/2013 at 7:45 pm

    Thanks Donchais…gonna miss you when this is over. How long do you think the jury will be out? Think it would take me about 5 minutes!!! Just pray it’s not a shock like the Casey Anthony trail! Still haven’t gotten over that one.

    • donchais
      04/24/2013 at 7:50 pm

      Don’t think jury will be out too long…btw, I’ll still be here, just doing other cases!

      • Gwen
        04/24/2013 at 7:59 pm

        Great..will look forward to following you. You added some needed humor to this long, painful trail!!

  9. Diane
    04/24/2013 at 7:50 pm

    Can anyone tell me if you can sign up somewhere to get a text when verdict is in? Thanks so much for the site, work gets in the way sometimes and everyone here doesn’t post crude things.

    • kelleyyyy
      04/24/2013 at 8:11 pm

      Hiya Diane.. I know Vinne Plotan on HLN will do it. id not advise it tho.. he’ll drive you batty

      • HJ Madison
        04/24/2013 at 8:26 pm

        Vinnie … drive you crazy? C’mon! @VinniePolitan. (I could not agree more!)

      • 04/24/2013 at 11:57 pm

        I have to stick up for Vinnie. He’s 100% against Jodi, a former prosecutor (not a defense atty), and as far as I’ve seen always on the side of victims. Give the guy a chance. 🙂

  10. Anonymous
    04/24/2013 at 7:52 pm

    It’s odd because Jodi’s grandma was reacting like I expected her mom to have been reacting all along. Her head down, rubbing her head and the look of what seemed almost like shame

    • kristin
      04/24/2013 at 11:14 pm

      I felt very sad for Gramma. Its as if you could read her thoughts written on her face. I read that she is still in utter disbelief that it has come to this.

  11. Anonymous
    04/24/2013 at 7:54 pm

    Hi, does anyone know why my posts are coming up as anonymous? Ty, Jill

    • donchais
      04/24/2013 at 7:55 pm

      Because you post as anonymous.

      • Anonymous
        04/24/2013 at 8:02 pm

        Sorry, never mind. I just realized it might be because I’m on my husbands ipad and I’m probably not automatically logged in like I am on mine.

      • donchais
        04/24/2013 at 8:12 pm

        It’s all good!

  12. Anonymous
    04/24/2013 at 7:59 pm

    I’m a little worried about the juror question about how tall Jodi is from her feet to the tip of her fingers when her hand is outstretched above her head straight up. Anyone have any idea what this juror might have been thinking?

    • Jim
      04/24/2013 at 8:05 pm

      To me, it just seemed like the juror was trying to remove all doubt that JA could have reached the gun without stepping on the shelves… The bathroom was a category 5 disaster area after what ever happened, happened – no reason to believe the closet would not have been disheveled too, if it was part of the ensuing bedlam…

      • Jill
        04/24/2013 at 9:24 pm

        Ty, I hope u r right….jill

  13. Schaeffer
    04/24/2013 at 8:00 pm

    grazie, donchais.

    • donchais
      04/24/2013 at 8:02 pm

      da nada!

  14. Irie Girl
    04/24/2013 at 8:01 pm

    Donchais, thanks for the recapps 🙂 This is the first trial I’ve followed, I am curious about how long jury instructions take. And actually what jury instructions are…. If testimony by Alyce LaOlivette was to be stricken would the judge have told the jury then or at the end?

    • donchais
      04/24/2013 at 8:10 pm

      Jury instructions are long and confusing because they are written by lawyers and not in lay-man speak…cause a lot of confusion on juror’s part. Think ‘reasonable doubt’ They can be very long and tedious as I expect they will be here…this is where the jury sinks or swims.

      They will be told what they can or cannot consider.. opening and closings arguments are not to be considered, but ya can’t unring that bell. It’s pretty much a crap-shoot as to how bright the jury is…that’s why jury selection is so very important!

      • Irie Girl
        04/24/2013 at 8:38 pm

        Thank you!

      • Lisa M
        04/24/2013 at 10:16 pm

        Jurors can’t consider opening and closing arguments? Really? That’s so strange. I guess I can understand the opening but the closing is a summation of the evidence presented in court, isn’t it? So why would it not be allowed? It seems so silly. It’s basically the last thing they hear, how can they not consider it?

      • 04/24/2013 at 11:59 pm

        You’re so right here, Donchais!

  15. Schaeffer
    04/24/2013 at 8:02 pm

    Someone mentioned the WalMart receipt showing Nutrisse hair color on yesterday’s comments. That is incorrect. It was Neutrogena moisturizer with sun screen.

  16. kelleyyyy
    04/24/2013 at 8:06 pm

    Hello Everyone!! ( Curtsies to Donchais..) .. I couldn’t wait to get back in here to de-stress and mingle with all of you. This case is giving me a tumor on the brain. Was very very pleased lizard neck looked so worried today. Even poor JW’s helmet went flat with all the worry they got now. Justice for Travis is so close!!!! While watching wormi I couldn’t help but think of Eeyor from Winnie the pooh…. okayyyyyyyyy dddddiiiidddddd yyyyyooooouuuuu meeeaassssuuureeeee tttthhhhhiiiissss shhheeelllffff.??.. great scott!

    • Gwen
      04/24/2013 at 8:16 pm

      Haha….love your coverage!!! Do u think helmet head wears a wig??? And what’s with the bald spot?? Can’t wait for May 3rd!!!!!!!!!! Good bye Jodi!!

      • kelleyyyy
        04/24/2013 at 8:18 pm

        we all believe she went and got the spray hair in a can to cover it.. it was wayyyy worse a few days ago..lol

      • Gwen
        04/24/2013 at 8:35 pm

        Kelleyyy
        I said the same thing to my daughter the other day. One day a big bald spot..the next day gone. Must have sprayed it!!! Hope she and Nurmi crawl back under their rocks once this trial is over. Thanks for the chuckle!!!!

    • 04/24/2013 at 8:32 pm

      Kelley? Ordinarily I love your comments but I love Eyor as well. I think you owe him an apologies. 😉

  17. Lisa M
    04/24/2013 at 8:13 pm

    Great recap. You perfectly reflected three things I was thinking about/noticing today. First, that Jodi looked more downcast than I’ve ever seen her and like you said, chambers obviously didnt go her way for a change. Closing arguments are next week and the reality is finally hitting her. Secondly, that Juan had a great day yesterday. Yes he did!! And thirdly, when you said Nurmi lumbered up to the podium. Lol. Exactly. Perfect word to describe his movement.

    • Lisa M
      04/24/2013 at 8:18 pm

      You actually said it was a great day for Travis yesterday not Juan but you know what I mean. I thought Juan hit all his marks yesterday like the master marksman he is. He basically showed the defense how its done. A witness doesn’t have to be up on the stand for 18 days unless she’s got tall tales to weave. Likewise for ALV and Samuels. Juan kept his rebuttal short and sweet and has made the crucial points he needed to make. Over and out.

      • donchais
        04/24/2013 at 8:24 pm

        Nicely said!

      • kristin
        04/24/2013 at 8:45 pm

        Great points! JA did look the most beat down I have seen her. I don’t think any amount of coloring/ writing will be enough to soothe her crazy ass.

  18. 04/24/2013 at 8:15 pm

    Goose is cooked!! Looking very much like this Donchais?

    • donchais
      04/24/2013 at 8:19 pm

      OMG! Snort!

    • Family of Law
      04/24/2013 at 8:27 pm

      Hahahaha! Perfect!!!!!

  19. kelleyyyy
    04/24/2013 at 8:16 pm

    anyone but me ever notice Nurmi’s striped socks never match his suits?

    • Gwen
      04/24/2013 at 8:24 pm

      Nurmi , wormi is so gross. Has the tiniest hands I have ever seem. Certainly don’t match his body!!!!

      • Lisa M
        04/24/2013 at 8:28 pm

        I was mentioning his hands the other day. They are creepy IMO

      • 04/24/2013 at 9:10 pm

        *i shudder* at thought of his hands. Small and Wurmi . However JW and ja’s hands have creeped me out since the beginning. JA’s particularly .. They’re like little claw hands. I. Skeeve every time she picks up her styrofoam cup to drink her water.. She holds it with her hand curved over the top. It’s just a really weird grasp and it weirds me out, I can’t watch her drink. I know I sound nuts and I have no excuse. JW also has little claw like hands and uses them a lot during her questioning, they kind of flutter around as though she’s trying to grasp at something. The entire defense team has weird weird hands. As for me , I just get Weirder very day I watch this trial. ,. GAH.

      • Gwen
        04/24/2013 at 9:52 pm

        Deco…you are fine. I have noticed the hands too!!!!! The way jodi picks up her cup is ODD! And that bent finger!!!!!! The day Juan had her lift it, to show the jury…her eyes were as weird as her hands” . She’s a freaky looking thing.
        Nurmi is always whipping his wrist. What’s up with that. It’s like he’s trying to shake something off his teeny, weeny hands! Haha

  20. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 8:17 pm

    ooo my!! cue the “physco” music! bombshell tonight: the ho now blaming Alfred Hitchcock for the murder!!!
    and……..more to come! the ho claims she was pg with Travis’ baby..

    this is so over the top that when it crumbles down it will be quite the crumble.

    • Family of Law
      04/24/2013 at 8:31 pm

      Wait til Syn hears this! Syn has tied the photo shoot to the Psycho shower scene for awhile! I can’t believe JA is writing a book in jail!!!! I wonder if this is true? (given the source is Mike Walker of the National Enquirer)

      • kristin
        04/24/2013 at 8:47 pm

        Think someone has been reading our posts much?!

      • Family of Law
        04/24/2013 at 9:02 pm

        Aloha! That made me laugh! Yes- I think that how Perky knows when to tell her stylist to cover that shiny bald spot!

      • Moon
        04/24/2013 at 9:04 pm

        I know!! I immediately thought of Syn when they said this! and, they went on to say that the ho says travis was always fascinated by this movie and wanted to reinact it! that’s her new story we knew she was writing a new story!

      • NancyB
        04/24/2013 at 9:51 pm

        Hi FoL! It’s true. The Enquirer won the Pulitzer Prize, America’s most prestigious journalistic award, a few yrs ago for breaking the story on John Edwards affair during his primary run for President! I have no doubt that it’s true.

      • Lisa M
        04/24/2013 at 10:18 pm

        I was just thinking that. What will Syn say? Lol

      • 04/25/2013 at 12:03 am

        The National Enquirer has become quite a good source since breaking the John Edwards love-child story.

  21. SeniorMoments
    04/24/2013 at 8:18 pm

    Like Jim (above), my first thought when the judge mentioned issues with the availability of witnesses was that she is allowing a limited surrebuttal case on Wednesday. My reason for this is that JM is very tightly proceeding through his rebuttal witnesses and would have his witnesses ready and waiting in the wings, whereas the DT is scrambling to put together a surrebuttal.

    Speaking of the prosecution’s witnesses, who was scheduled to be up next and why the early dismissal today? The defense is opposing whoever it is?

    • donchais
      04/24/2013 at 8:21 pm

      Thinking they are scared to have the ME back up…just a guess!

  22. ritanita
    04/24/2013 at 8:25 pm

    I’ve decided to assume that Judge Stephens will allow the defense a mini-surrebuttal on Wednesday even though I hope it isn’t true. But, as per her statement, they will have one long day and no more than that. Heck, the defense could drag that particular witness for weeks!

    There are two reasons for my thinking it won’t amount to a hill of beans. First, as Donchais has pointed out, he has been badly impeached before. If you Google Dr. Robert Geffner and look for court cases, they are there. His big deal is domestic violence and he is closely aligned with Alyce L.

    Second, When the jury asked Samuels if he had diagnosed Jodi with anything else, he quickly said, probably hoping the jury wouldn’t notice, that she had a personality disorder, not otherwise specified. He didn’t bother to look into that issue.

    Dr. DeMarte took time to diagnose BPD. Even now, there are experts who disagree and consider she could have anti-social personality disorder, a psychopath even.

    Regardless of any diagnosis, the fact is that there has been so much evidence presented during the trial as to Jodi’s personality traits, that the jury doesn’t really need to know the specific diagnosis Their decision will be made on the facts that they have heard in court.

    Samuels and LaViolette didn’t fare well with Martinez or the jury. What will one more be able to accomplish that the others couldn’t do? To be sure, Martinez will have a field day with him

    • donchais
      04/24/2013 at 8:27 pm

      And that’s why I luv your thinking!

      • ritanita
        04/24/2013 at 8:30 pm

        Between the two of us, we are dangerous!

      • donchais
        04/24/2013 at 8:31 pm

        LOL, but cute!

    • Lisa M
      04/24/2013 at 10:21 pm

      My question is this: will Judge Samuels really keep the testimony (inc cross) to one day? I hope so but her track record hasn’t been good!

      • 04/25/2013 at 12:08 am

        I’m thinking the same thing about Judge Stevens. Once she allows the sure rebuttal witness on the stand, and he’s being questioned, what’s she gonna do? Say “you have 30 min to wrap it up?” Of course not…cuz it’s a dreaded Death Penalty case and she so fears the Appeal. So once it gets going, God knows how long it could go.

  23. kelleyyyy
    04/24/2013 at 8:27 pm

    Jodi saying travis and she acted out the scene in the shower and things got out of hand

    • ritanita
      04/24/2013 at 8:28 pm

      To quote JM… riiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggght!

  24. 04/24/2013 at 8:27 pm

    Hi all ready to pop my mind here – I am watching Nancy Grace (yeh, I know) and JA is apparently writing a tell all book – she told the National enquirer – She claims now she was pregnant by Travis – WTF – still watching. I need a brain transplant – have no reasoning intelligence left. so much for college degrees Cant believe this.

    by the way good evening all – I will be back later if i have enough brain cells left to remember what a computer is.

    • 04/24/2013 at 8:43 pm

      Syn is there anything she wont stoop to. Now saying that Travis wanted to act our scenes from the movie psycho and things got out of hand. she wants to have a baby with her lover and has a sperm donor lined up. Good grief lord help us.

      Syn we are all coming to you for group therapy after this, that if we are not all babbling to ourselves.

      • 04/24/2013 at 8:45 pm

        sorry in all my ranting – forgot again to thank you donchais, great recap. Hitting side of head.

      • donchais
        04/24/2013 at 8:57 pm

        No worries!

  25. kelleyyyy
    04/24/2013 at 8:27 pm

    whats that make?? lie number 55 on how it happened??

  26. Kristy
    04/24/2013 at 8:31 pm

    I also think the judge is allowing the suributtal witness. And I too don’t think that he’ll fare we’ll against JM. I am so glad they will only give a day for it. It’s a last ditch effort to have the last word.

  27. Kristy
    04/24/2013 at 8:35 pm

    it has been a Juanderful rebuttal! All of the lies Juan has exposed of Jodi’s on the stand. I loved the juror question regarding the attic! And even better was the answer, nothing in the attic!

  28. Family of Law
    04/24/2013 at 8:46 pm

    SYN! ALERT! You are confirmed a genius! Mike Walker from (sorry to say, The National Enquirer) reported tonight that JA blames Travis for the murder, because HE was sexually arroused by the “Psycho” shower murder scene and HE wanted to recreate it in the shower! And she said that he got “so into” the recreation, that he started playing too rough, and it “got out of hand”!!!!! He claims that this is part of a book that she is writing in jail!

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 9:02 pm

      Some of this crap can come in during the penalty phase. The fact that she has no remorse … contempt for the process. We all will be better off when we are rid of her, once and for all!

      • Family of Law
        04/24/2013 at 9:10 pm

        Hi HJ- If this book of hers actually exists, I would think Juan would have it confiscated, as he did her jail journals? The Penalty phase is going to be gut wrenching for the Alexanders- they are going to be tortured by the MS’s BS! I hope it’s fast, and I pray they get what they want, and what JA deserves.

      • Kathy A.
        04/24/2013 at 9:35 pm

        And if the Alexander’s choose to make a victim impact statement during sentencing, they will finally get to say everything they have had to hold back all this time.

      • HJ Madison
        04/24/2013 at 9:36 pm

        There is no book and if it can be substantiated she is using social media to demonstrate contempt, not remorse, for the process and the killing, I think it can come in. Would you not LOVE to see Donovan GRILLED by JM since she is the conduit? AND I hope it will not be sad for the Alexander’s. At long last the tables will turn and that witch will be fighting for her life! Every ounce of her savagery will be exposed. Dr. DeMarte will be back to eleborate on JA’s psychopathy. I can hardly wait to see JA’s smug little grin that day! I wonder if she will have a craft project going while the jury hears all the tawdry details of her sad little life and why she is a pariah and needs to be done away with for good. The Alexander’s have shown the strength to endure. JM will warn them of the worst to come. That audacious bitch and TeamJodi will literally be forced to beg for her life ….. No …. it will be a good day for Travis!

      • 04/24/2013 at 10:53 pm

        I’m thinking the book will start – Once Upon a Time in the Brilliant Mind of the Beautiful Jodi Arias…..

      • kristin
        04/24/2013 at 11:21 pm

        She can name her book A Brief History of Jodi’s Time! Hadn’t she alluded that Stephen Hawking plagiarized his book from her 4th grade paper lol!

    • 04/24/2013 at 9:42 pm

      Yeah but again she has twisted it as usual. She was orchestrating the psycho poses in the shower I don’t think he had a clue he was reinacting them. That’s was part of her messed up game so much to her relates back to movies, drama references. It’s patently obvious.

      IF this is her book it just confirms what I already know. She deliberately had him pose that way and as in the psycho shots he was supposed to die in that shower which is why she dragged him back in there.

      Her way of saying.. no.. “this ends the way I intended F$%k you, get back in there”.

      • Family of Law
        04/24/2013 at 10:01 pm

        Yup, “This is how this scene ends, even if I have to drag you”! I was sipping my wine, while making dinner- I had NG on in the kitchen, an heard this guy talking- I nearly spewed my wine! First thing I thought of was your pic theory- and you saying that JA’s stories always have fragments of truth that she spins to fit! Yowza! (now pouring you a glass of wine…)

    • Lisa M
      04/24/2013 at 10:23 pm

      Yes it was all Travis’ fault! “He started to play too rough”? What did he do, stab himself?!

  29. Sally
    04/24/2013 at 8:49 pm

    A thought to throw out here….wouldn’t the top shelf in the closet, where Jodi claims she retrieved the gun, show whether or not there was an object on the shelf by the dust pattern? If a gun was removed from that shelf there wouldn’t be the same amount of dust under it compared to the remaining surface.

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 9:07 pm

      Oh no because she was super maid extraordinaire! Look at that excellent job she did tidying up after slitting TA’s throat! No doubt she had time to straighten and dust the closet too. And you know that is where Nurmi was going today when he asked Flores about the condition of the room when they found TA.

      • Sally
        04/24/2013 at 9:21 pm

        Don”t get me wrong Madison, I don’t believe for a minute that there was a gun on that shelf or for that matter anything else JA claims. Just thought it would be more another way to discredit her testimony.

      • HJ Madison
        04/24/2013 at 9:43 pm

        Hey … I hear ya! Excellant point and I do think Nurmi was going there when he asked Flores if the room was completely tidy when TA was found, as if to say “because JA tidied and dusted… etc while she tried to clean up that mess in the bathroom”. Is there an emoticon for “tongue in cheek” or maybe a wink?

      • kristin
        04/25/2013 at 1:13 am

        Can u imagine wobo as his house keeper? I bet all she did was snoop through Travis’s belongings w a fine tooth comb. I’m sure it never even dawned on him:(

    • TexiBelle
      04/25/2013 at 11:08 am

      I don’t believe the closet was even focused on by investigators until well after the murder, after she finally abandoned her ninja story. One of the crime scene processors was asked by the jury if they sweep for prints essentially everywhere in the scene, and the crime tech replied that they only focus on certain areas, based on their experience and the appearance of the scene. So that’s why they didn’t dust in the closet for prints–nothing was disturbed and didn’t appear to be part of the crime/struggle [ed note: cuz it WASN’T].

      And did her story about getting the gun off the top of the closet even come out before she took the stand? Because if that’s the case, we’re talking 5 years after the crime. Way too late to go back and look for dust prints or fingerprints. Especially because someone else lives in that space now (*shiver*) and has presumably dusted and cleaned.

  30. Diane
    04/24/2013 at 8:50 pm

    donchais, I take it you are an avid trial watcher. If so would you have any clue how long the jury may take to reach a decision?

    • donchais
      04/24/2013 at 8:56 pm

      Think it will be fairly quick, but goes without saying…ya never know what a jury will do!

  31. CindiTX
    04/24/2013 at 8:51 pm

    I have been following this case since the beginning and have only recently had the pleasure of finding this site! Awesome recaps!!! I realize that this question may have already been asked, but do you think JM will cover a timeline to piece together the premeditation case? Like from when Travis began trying to rid himself of JA, to inviting another woman to Cancun, to the sex tape recordings, to the intrusion of Travis’ email leading to his strong texts to JA, the alleged break in resulting in missing gun, to borrowing the gas cans, renting the car, changing her hair color…..the horrific murder, attempting to clean the scene, washing evidence, changing the plates, tossing the evidence, seeing the Utah man and the continued behavior????
    Also, and maybe you all can help me on this one, but has it ever been asked of JA that if she were such an avid photographer why she used Travis’ camera that day instead of her own? My only personal conclusion is that she did in fact go there with the intent to kill him, he was maybe affectionate so she thought this may be his chance to redeem himself to her and chose her then when he made it clear that she was not the one he wanted she decided to go forth with her plan.
    I can only hope that JM has some way of being able to explain the killing in the way that makes sense, follows the blood evidence, fits in the 62 second timeline and leaves no room for reasonable doubt.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/25/2013 at 12:25 am

      Hi Cindi….JM is meticulous! He will stick to the facts that will apply to and prove 1st degree/Premeditation, and felony murder. Staged burglary, missing gun, knives at the crime scene do not match the wounds, gas cans, lack of receipt paper trail in AZ, hair color change, no phone records in AZ, Ron Burns alibi, cut finger, stalking, crime scene cleanup, and anything else that points to Premeditated murder! He will more than likely leave the sex,pedophila, DV, fog, and PTSD for the Duh-fense. We hope that he opens with the 911 tape and ends with the “No jury will convict me….” video. This is just our opinion of how we have seen him work throughout this trial.

      In the beginning when he first presented the State’s witnesses you’ll remember that all the HLN big mouths chastised him for not being more concise with his points he was making. However….he doesn’t work that way…..he laid a foundation in the beginning and now in rebuttal an closing he is connecting all the dots. He did not show all his cards in the beginning! He’s good!!

  32. Gwen
    04/24/2013 at 8:56 pm

    Hi all…enjoy reading all your thoughts. Wish we were on the jury…this girl would be toast in minutes!!

    The hair color change of Jodi is more evidence of premeditation . Wonderful JUAN isn’t missing a beat! LOVE, LOVE, LOVE him!!!!!!!!

  33. kelleyyyy
    04/24/2013 at 9:02 pm

    dr drew is gonna talk about if guys think Jodi is hot or not…. strangle me now!!

    • Gwen
      04/24/2013 at 9:04 pm

      Watching too. Are we addicted to this coverage or what??

      • kelleyyyy
        04/24/2013 at 9:06 pm

        lol we may need serious help when this is over. Knowing she’s gonna get a needle will be the ‘wonder’ cure! 🙂

    • 04/25/2013 at 12:17 am

      Saw that…but unless I missed it, they never actually talked about that. However, one really great point made on his show tonite was the fact that the ONLY sexual deviance in their relationship was the fact that JA surreptitiously tape recorded their phone sex. That’s wrong and that’s the deviant!

  34. 04/24/2013 at 9:05 pm

    OMG…..Hodiass is now saying she was pregnant with Travis’s baby!!!! On Dr Drew.

  35. 04/24/2013 at 9:06 pm

    And she is also saying Travis loved the Psycho movie and that he thought it was hot to do a reanactment in the shower and it went horribly wrong! Can you believe this!

  36. 04/24/2013 at 9:08 pm

    Sorry…..no one is going to believe this…..more lies and manipulation.

    • donchais
      04/24/2013 at 9:12 pm

      Why are you watching that crap? All sensational carp????

      • kelleyyyy
        04/24/2013 at 9:16 pm

        Donchais.. I have no earthly idea… lol your question totally made me shake my head at myself

    • kelleyyyy
      04/24/2013 at 9:13 pm

      your right chloe… no one but those crazy people in the isle behind her in court

  37. kelleyyyy
    04/24/2013 at 9:12 pm

    OMG does no one on the DT have a muzzle???? slap some duct tape on that fruitloop

  38. 04/24/2013 at 9:15 pm

    Donchais….sorry for the trouble….please leave my comments in moderation…I did not see someone had already posted this. I just turned on Dr Drew and got so flipped out about what I was hearing….again..sorry. What else could possible come out of this dispicable persons mouth. Thanks.

  39. 04/24/2013 at 9:17 pm

    I got roped in…..was watching a horrible movie and I thought…let me just check on what is going on with Dr. Drew. It’s like a train wreck and I can’t stop looking.

  40. kelleyyyy
    04/24/2013 at 9:21 pm

    yeah.. what she said….lol

  41. Kristy
    04/24/2013 at 9:25 pm

    I think all the crap being spewed out of National Enquirer is a last ditch ploy to taint the jury somehow. If Jodi had been preggers, and that’s just not likely, then it’s actually more motive for her.

    • Kristy
      04/24/2013 at 9:27 pm

      Sorry, didn’t finish. Jodi preggers would make her that much more of a skank to meet up with Ryan as well as ask for a guys number on the plane. Besides the police would have found out no doubt. God the levels this chick will stoop to are so low it’s not even funny.

      • 04/24/2013 at 9:40 pm

        Who is saying she was pregnant? This would be according to her?

      • meljodcat
        04/24/2013 at 9:52 pm

        Yes She Gave An Interview Or Statemements To The National enquirer

      • kristin
        04/24/2013 at 11:25 pm

        Rosemary’s baby is all I can come up with on this!

    • NancyB
      04/24/2013 at 9:59 pm

      Kristy, I know what you mean BUT don’t forget that the Enquirer won the Pulitzer Prize, America’s most prestigious journalistic award, a few yrs ago for breaking the story on John Edwards’ affair during his primary run for President! I have no doubt that it’s true.

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 10:02 pm

      How can she be Preggers if she did it in the backdoor all the time? :-J (that is supposed to be tongue in cheek!)

      • 04/24/2013 at 11:00 pm

        Jodi can do ANYTHING! (Maybe even get pregnant with her tongue in cheek!)

  42. Jay
    04/24/2013 at 9:29 pm

    donchais :
    Geffner has been impeached in at least two court cases, big time..think he’s persona non gratis!

    Can JM bring that up when he cross examines?

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 9:46 pm

      Did you find the cases? It will depend on what/how etc….

  43. kelleyyyy
    04/24/2013 at 9:29 pm

    wonder if she is still following the Mormon faith in jail. If not.. shows she only did it to dig deeper into Travis

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 9:49 pm

      I think I heard somewhere she has been “befriended” by a baptist minister? Maybe? We will hear more about that if we get to the penalty phase (or the sentencing, should she actually get something less than 1st degree).

    • meljodcat
      04/24/2013 at 9:51 pm

      No I Don’t Bieve She Is Still Practicing

    • Moon
      04/24/2013 at 10:15 pm

      lol riiiight! fat chance of that… didn’t you hear on NG?? she and her lesbian lover plan on moving abroad and she already has a male volunteer to impregnate her.

    • 04/25/2013 at 12:21 am

      The Enquirer also said Jodi is now a lesbian (big surprise for the chameleon that she is with no core identity), and believes fully that she’ll be acquitted and plans to be with this women and have a baby with her via artificial insemination with a sperm donor already lined up. Oh, what a beautiful life, Jodi! Ok, gag me now!

  44. 04/24/2013 at 9:31 pm

    I really am starting to believe that Jodi simply decided too keep it short , confined and neat. Stab him in heart in the shower. Maybe a couple more stab wounds and it would be over, hed bleed out on the shower. She could contain the blood and forensic evidence then simply run the shower and evidence down the drain, Nice and neat, she rinses off and blows the joint. But big oops… Trqvis fights back and it got messy. Not part of her plan. He’s out of the shower more chaos ensues along with the.carnage and a crime scene that she could not clean up., she must have been devastated it didn’t go along with her plan. My brain is officially numb trying to figure this psycho bitch out.
    I’m sorry that I tend to ramble. But I have really started to believe the keep it simple and neat plan is what she premeditated….. Ack. Too much knocking around in. My brain, I feel like a pinball machine. DMV. Ding. Ding

    • HJ Madison
      04/24/2013 at 9:51 pm

      I think you will find many, many others here are of the same or similar opinion.

  45. kelleyyyy
    04/24/2013 at 9:32 pm

    It strange how she will never ever know how she sounds and how the world sees her as the liar she is.. She see’s none of it.. only that everyone will believe her and she is untouchable. boggles the mind

    • Gwen
      04/24/2013 at 9:37 pm

      Everyone says how attractive Jodi is….I find her mousy looking. Is it just me?

      • kristin
        04/24/2013 at 11:29 pm

        I will speak on behalf of everyone that posts and reads donchais’s site- HELL TO THE MOTHER FUCKING NO! Mousy is being kind lol

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/24/2013 at 11:38 pm

        No….she’s ugly as sh**! The beauty they think they see was the bleach blonde seductress. That’s not a natural beauty! She has buck teeth, big nose, eyes that go in different directions, dirty hair, and depending how big the lies big sores on her mouth. No beauty inside or out!

      • Kristi
        04/25/2013 at 12:03 am

        Thank you! I’m so sick of hearing people say she is is beautiful. She is a disgusting skank. The bleach blonde hair was ridiculous with her complexion and the cross eyed thing! Ick. Pregnant! Umm let me guess, Alyce Laviolette is going to come back and explain that pregnant women rarely get health care or tell anyone so that is why no one but Jodi knows about this pregnancy. I really hate this girl. My heart aches for Travis’s sister, the pain on her face every day is heart wrenching.

      • 04/25/2013 at 12:28 am

        Before I started watching this case, I kept hearing about it–this beautiful woman who stabbed her lover, and the sex, the pictures, etc. I didn’t get around to getting a visual til I got laid up with a small health problem in Early March. I’m not kidding, I was truly shocked when I saw who JA actually was. UGLY! Granted, I know she’s in prison, and may be downplaying for the jury, but there’s a special ugliness about her. As mentioned, you can see that even with her blonde pretty pics, it’s such a fake, contrived beauty, you have to wonder how anyone actually thought she was pretty. Especially when you add her ugly personality on top of it.

  46. kelleyyyy
    04/24/2013 at 9:35 pm

    In the picture of her pant leg and Travis.. I have heard that’s when they think he is still trying to fight because his arm is up.. I kinda think it’s her pulling him by the arms and she kicks the camera and it takes the pic. any other views?

  47. ChiefonaShip
    04/24/2013 at 9:36 pm

    I’ve been a juror 4 times (1st was double victim/double defendant murder case). My standard advice: whatever you saw, heard, processed will be considered exactly oppositely by your fellow jurors.Said another way, ever try to get 12 people to agree on a pizza?! That said, I love AZ allowing juror q’s- even accepting all might not be asking. Gives such a view into HOW they process. I think murder/death. Am I right they do not have to be unanimous for death? We convicted but deadlocked on DP so got life. It was a very notorious case here and the public, press and even the judge trashed the life sentences (juot decision mandatory).

  48. ChiefonaShip
    04/24/2013 at 9:38 pm

    *juror decision mandatory!

  49. kelleyyyy
    04/24/2013 at 9:41 pm

    Gwen… all I see now is ugly.. mostly cause she opened her mouth. However.. when she was blonde and in some of the pics she was pretty. Now tho, the same pics make me see evil and filth. No beauty anywhere

    • 04/24/2013 at 10:02 pm

      They try to tone down her “sex appeal”,, present her as a mousey girl that was easily played by travis. Unattractive, plain, low self esteem, who would want her? Now wwwwjurors have seen the pics of her as a platinum blond, breast augmentation, full lips., a wanna be seductress. They have to be able to see through the physical do-over. This is such a farce.

  50. LadyinRed
    04/24/2013 at 9:43 pm

    Just a few comments on the jury deliberation process; LIR actually served as a criminal juror last year in a multiple count/indictment murder case, including second degree murder, first degree felony murder, esp. aggravated burglary, and esp aggravated assault and kidnapping. (male murdered female estranged spouse). After a 4.5 day trial, we began deliberating at 1pm and delivered our verdict at 8pm. The verdict forms are broken down first by individual charge each with multiple subparts, which jurors must unanimously agree on before continuing to the next. I don’t recall how many indicted charges/counts JA has, but just share the above to explain why even though the jury may be of like mind, the paperwork does take time, careful thought and deliberation as the foreperson must sign off on each.

  51. Kristy
    04/24/2013 at 9:45 pm

    Holy Guacamole!!!!!! Found a site that made a list of Jodi’s lies!!!!! http://anotherpov.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/giving-jodi-arias-the-benefit-of-the-doubt/

    Jodi is toast!!!!

    Juan is absolutely Juanderful!!!

  52. kelleyyyy
    04/24/2013 at 9:48 pm

    To give Arias the benefit of the doubt is to engage in such a rigorous form of “suspension of disbelief” that you, yourself, may lose control of your own mind and end up in the loony bin, complete with drool on your chin and a lovely, starch-white straight jacket to aid in giving yourself long, warm hugs. (Cozy!)

    This sums it up!!! Thanks Kristy for the site!!

  53. kelleyyyy
    04/24/2013 at 9:51 pm

    Here is what we must believe in order to give Jodi Arias the benefit of the doubt in this case:
    1.It really was just a coincidence that a gun of the same caliber, used in the murder, was “stolen” from her home mere days prior to killing Alexander. (Investigator says robbery looked staged.)
    2.It really did take 5 hours to get her nails did. (And, she didn’t get her hair dyed from Blonde to Brunette on the way to Arizona)
    3.That guy at the rent-a-car place is just colorblind and couldn’t tell the difference between blonde and brunette when he said that she was blonde when she picked up the car.
    4.The real reason she didn’t want that red rent-a-car is because she didn’t want to get a ticket. You know, because somehow, a red car controls how fast you drive.
    5.She simply forgot that the whole purpose of borrowing/buying gas cans was so she could get cheaper gas out of the state of California. That’s why she filled up the cans in California. Duh!
    6.Although she bought a gas can from Wal-Mart and paid for it with her credit card, she actually took that gas can back and received a cash refund for it.
    7.It’s just an oversight that Wal-Mart has no records of anyone returning a gas can that day.
    8. A roving band of license plate flippers, on skateboards, flipped her license plate.
    9.Travis begged her to come see him after he called her an evil sociopath and told her that she was the worst thing that ever happened to him.
    10.She lost her charger and her phone went dead just before she entered AZ.
    11.Using her credit card everywhere else but AZ doesn’t look suspicious.
    12.Travis cut rope in the bathroom instead of measuring it to fit the bed in the bedroom.
    13.Travis’s bed was good for tying someone to it, even though it was a SLEIGH bed.
    14.Although she had destroyed his BMW, and he suspected her of slashing his tires twice, dropping Travis’s camera pissed him off enough to want to kill her. (I mean, OBVIOUSLY the camera still worked – oops.)
    15.She was so slick with her ninja-like moves that she ran into the closet, passed a bench, climbed flimsy shelves and grabbed a gun, in a MANIC dash to save her life, and not one thing was shoved, pulled, or kicked out of its place.
    16.Doing number 15 was actually easier than running down the stairs and out of the house.
    17.Doing number 15 made sense, even though she had no clue if the gun was loaded.
    18.She took Travis on 1 vs. 1, with no element of surprise, and only walked away with small cuts on her fingers.
    19.She shot Travis first, although the Medical Examiner said that he could not have been shot first due to the bullet in his brain being debilitating.
    20.She doesn’t remember anything about the stabbing, even 5 years later.
    21.It’s possible to remember how you “felt” during an act even if you have no clue what happened during the commission of said act.
    22.She, coincidentally, “came to” right before hitting a known checkpoint and saw her hands covered in blood and she was barefoot.
    23.She “must have” stopped in AZ to get gas and paid cash.
    24.No one wondered why a women covered in blood was walking around barefoot when she paid for the gas.
    25.It’s reasonable to “just know” you killed someone when the last thing you remember is that they were alive – but, still, you don’t remember killing them.
    26.She magically found her phone charger under her car seat after leaving AZ.
    27.All of those transactions in Utah that look like it was for gas, weren’t actually for gas.
    28.She only lied about not being there because she was scared.
    29.She only lied about the ninjas doing it because she was scared.
    30.Although the ideas of being put to death and/or spending the rest of your life in prison are scary ones, she’s not lying anymore.
    31.“Defending” herself from Travis gave her PTSD.
    32.It is normal for someone with PTSD to willingly be around things that remind them of the trauma; and behave normally – Talking to mutual friends, going to the house the “trauma” took place, asking repeatedly to see the crime scene photos, etc.
    33.Hiding behind and sleeping under your ex’s Christmas tree is normal.
    34.Repeatedly showing up uninvited to your ex’s house is normal.
    35.Peeping through your ex’s windows is normal.
    36.Hiding in your ex’s closet is normal.
    37.Climbing through your ex’s doggy door to gain access to their house is normal.
    38.Sleeping on your ex’s couch when they don’t even know you are there, and didn’t invite you over, is normal.
    39.33-38 is just “normal stalking” and signs that someone is simply not ready for the relationship to end.
    40. It’s not really stalking unless someone files for a restraining order.
    41.It’s normal, NOT jealousy, to drive hours to confront an ex-boyfriend’s new potential love interest.
    42.Travis was stuck in a 1970’s time warp and had to get his child porn in print form.
    43.Everything she said she didn’t like about sex with Travis is true.
    44.Having low self-esteem means pre-signing a manifesto in case you are famous for committing murder one day and thinking you’re Einstein-genius and that your art is good enough to hang next to Picasso’s and Van Gogh’s.
    45.A bunch of other stuff that I am surely forgetting.

    UPDATED 04/24/2013

    46. Your boyfriend wrapping his arms around you, holding you close in front of friends while he tells a story, is not a public display of affection.

    47. That lady from Tesoro doesn’t know how to read her own company’s gas receipts.

    48. Deanna Reid really was “the crazy one.”

    49. It’s possible to selectively delete incriminating photos (ONLY) in a trauma-induced fog.

    50. Darryl Brewer was hallucinating and only thinks that Jodi told him she needed the gas cans because she was taking a trip to Arizona, TWO DAYS PRIOR to going to Mesa.

    Yup. Jodi Arias had better hope that magic is real because that may be her only hope. But… of course, all the state would have to do is provide the jurors with mind control protection helmets and all of her granted powers would be for naught! (muwaha.)

    • Kristy
      04/24/2013 at 10:07 pm

      I just posted the link to the site above! Great minds copy from the same place!!!!

    • 04/25/2013 at 12:40 am

      #15. With Travis chasing after her, she had time to take a huge detour in the closet for the gun without him catching up to her first.
      *I’ve been in a DV scenario where I’ve had to make decisions like this. When you really time how fast a man runs and can catch a woman in a small space like a master closet/bathroom, there is NO way it is possible that Jodi could have taken the time necessary to grab the gun without Travis being upon her instantly, grabbing her as she was at the shelves, and thwarting her plan to grab the gun. Her story is implausible.

      • Nicole
        04/25/2013 at 1:28 am

        Plus, if TA were going to kill her, why wouldn’t he go for his gun through the bathroom door since she went down the hallway? Oh, and if it were not loaded, why did he duck?

  54. kelleyyyy
    04/24/2013 at 9:52 pm

    oops. sorry I was going to copy and paste a little at a time. I did not mean to do the whole thing at once

  55. NancyB
    04/24/2013 at 9:56 pm

    Kathy A. :
    And if the Alexander’s choose to make a victim impact statement during sentencing, they will finally get to say everything they have had to hold back all this time.

    Weeks ago KatieCoolady mentioned that they have been working on their victim impact statements for many weeks.

    • Kathy A.
      04/25/2013 at 11:50 am

      Good. I know they will be heart-wrenching. Well, except for to JA.

  56. Diana Bratt
    04/24/2013 at 10:01 pm

    Lisa M :
    Great recap. You perfectly reflected three things I was thinking about/noticing today. First, that Jodi looked more downcast than I’ve ever seen her and like you said, chambers obviously didnt go her way for a change. Closing arguments are next week and the reality is finally hitting her. Secondly, that Juan had a great day yesterday. Yes he did!! And thirdly, when you said Nurmi lumbered up to the podium. Lol. Exactly. Perfect word to describe his movement.

    Nurmi minus the belly reminds of Bull from the show Night Court.

    • Gwen
      04/24/2013 at 10:10 pm

      YES!!!!! You are right about Bull!!!!! Gotta really imagine him without the sloppy GUT!!! Some days his buttons look like they are screaming for mercy!

    • Lisa M
      04/24/2013 at 10:12 pm

      Yes! Lol

  57. Family of Law
    04/24/2013 at 10:09 pm

    NancyB :
    Hi FoL! It’s true. The Enquirer won the Pulitzer Prize, America’s most prestigious journalistic award, a few yrs ago for breaking the story on John Edwards affair during his primary run for President! I have no doubt that it’s true.

    Hi ya Nancy! Wow, who’d a ever thought, that the N.E would win such the penultimate award! Go figure! (I hope the alien babies arent real tho! Lol!) So, if it’s true then- do you think Juan had/ or will have her book confiscated?

    • NancyB
      04/24/2013 at 10:22 pm

      I sure hope that Det Flores lets him know. Juan himself said in court that he watches nothing about this trial at all. While Det Flores is at it, I hope that he shows Juan JA’s disgusting new “series” of her drawings.Tanisha and the family want it to stop. She sold the drawing that she did of Gary a few weeks ago for mega bucks. See this article:

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313855/Jodi-Arias-tortures-Travis-Alexanders-family-using-SISTER-inspiration-drawings-bars.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

      • Family of Law
        04/24/2013 at 10:43 pm

        Ah, so it was Flores that let him know about the tweets? Have you heard anything further about the confiscated journals? Could they come in during the Penalty phase?
        Those bad “motel art” drawings make me physically ill- how horrible that nothing can be done to stop her torture of the Alexanders, until she is convicted! Who are these people that buy them? The same idiots that blog on jodiariasisinnocent! Sick, truly sick.

  58. Lisa M
    04/24/2013 at 10:10 pm

    I’d love to know what some of you think about this question. I know it’s been discussed before, but this is something that really doesn’t make sense to me. Why would Jody make up the lie about a holster when it was something that would be so easily disproven? It seems so illogical. If you’re going to lie about something don’t make the lie more difficult to prove by adding another lie. I wonder why her defense allowed her to testify to a holster when they had to know the evidence would show there wasn’t one. It’s very puzzling to me.

    • Kristy
      04/24/2013 at 10:47 pm

      Jodi doesn’t know when to stop when it comes to a lie. She thinks she has enough truth mixed in with a lie for folks to get doubt. I think Jodi has mixed in her version with certain truths and flipped things from Jodi to Travis. At this point, I think it’s obvious at how Jodi operates. I think her staying on the stand for so long backfired, and the jurors see her true colors, rather than they can see her as likable or not someone they want to convict of murder 1,DP.

    • WhereIsSHE
      04/24/2013 at 11:09 pm

      Lisa M-
      My advice would be to stop believing that Jodi is logical AND to stop imagining that Jodi can keep up with her own obvious lies.

      Her lawyers did not “allow” her to testify.
      She –as the defendant– has a RIGHT to remain silent, and she is the only one who could choose to “waive” that right by opening her mouth (first to Detective F, for HOURS and on separate occasions, even), and then, to the media, and now, to this jury (and all of us who are following the case).

      Jodi really thinks that she is smarter than she actually is, is how I see it.
      IMO, best to give that kind of person a ton of rope, because they typically end up “hanging” themselves.

      There is no doubt in any lawyer’s mind who has tried cases (not just criminal cases, but civil as well) that Jodi is the absolute worst kind of client (because she clearly rejects sound, professional advice, due to her mistaken belief that she is so intellectually superior to the “common man” that she will be able to manipulate the world).
      But the collective common sense of a jury is more, if not most, frequently a lopsided match for a (borderline) psychopath. She is simply not accustomed to anyone holding her truly accountable for her bad behavior.
      She still believes that she can maipulate the world.
      (OK. So did Casey Anthony, but … she had a great helping hand,i.e. her mother.)
      (No matter what the Nat’l Enquirer says– the fact is that Jodi’s mother has not gone on a public relations tour, spewing lies in order to help her daughter escape justice.)
      If anything will help Jodi in this case, it will be sympathy for her mother, and perhaps her grandmother who finally made an appearance in court today.

      *****
      Glad to see that the case has finally been scaled down to the point where closing argument dates are now set and with limits, thank goodness. Mr. Nurmi will have to pick up the (verbal) pace if he intends to be heard on all matters he deems significant to his portion (fact witnesses) of the defense.
      Willmott will have to actally prep in advance and get her ducks in order.

      I’m sure no one has any doubt about how preprared Jaun will be.

      • Douglme
        04/24/2013 at 11:40 pm

        Are the Defense and Prosecution allotted a specific amount of time for closing arguments? My concern is that Nurmi and Willmott will go on and on and Juan will be shorted for time!

      • Family of Law
        04/24/2013 at 11:43 pm

        Hi WIS:) Yup, JA is steering this sinking ship- jotting notes, feeding more lies, and whispering with JW. I’m certain the DT (or JA’s Mom) begged the Grandmother to appear for the sympathy ploy today, she was not there by choice. That poor thing looked horrified, and devastated.

      • 04/25/2013 at 12:46 am

        Also, Whereisshe, Casey Anthony listened to her lawyers and never took the stand. Things could have turned out very differently in that case had she taken the stand. I think you are right on in everything you said. Her lawyers did not “allow” her to say that…it just came out as another one of her detailed lies.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/24/2013 at 11:16 pm

      She lies soooo much that she can’t keep them straight! She doesn’t tell the same lie twice. The more she tells the story the more she embellishes it each time she repeats it. When she first said it on the stand it was just the gun (Nurm the Wurm questioning her), the second time she said it (JM cross) it was in a box or “something like that” she said, then when the Jurors asked her it was in a holster. So you see same story different facts! Her attorneys have no control over her. Her mouth has been her downfall since day 1.

      • Family of Law
        04/24/2013 at 11:46 pm

        Hi Ci Ci’s- I still remember the look on squirmy Wurm’s face when JA decided to add (blurt) holster! Priceless! If he could have, he would’ve shouted “will you ever just learn to shut the f**k up?”

      • Lisa M
        04/25/2013 at 12:06 am

        Thanks guys for all your responses to my question about her lying. I think it must be that someone who is a pathological liar and/or a psychopath doesn’t have the ability or inclination to reflect on his/her lies with objectivity. The holster story was just so breathtakingly stupid. It must be her arrogance that prevents her from thinking logically. She thinks she’s smarter than everyone and she must think that the more details she adds the more truthful her lies appear. However she is stupidly forgetting that these lies can be proven as such. You’d think her defense attorneys would be able to curb this stupidity but apparently not.

      • 04/25/2013 at 12:51 am

        I remember distinctly when Jodi testified to the holster. I’m a “gun person”. I can just say, a holster is not used to store a gun in a home. A holster is used to carry a gun on your person. So that made no sense. It was just more of Jodi’s gun ignorance burying her…like not knowing that stealing a rare caliber .25 and using it to commit murder would point an arrow straight at you!

    • Kathy A.
      04/25/2013 at 11:57 am

      She just can’t shut up and thinks if she adds little details here and there, true or not, it will make her more credible. Like when she said she noticed the blood on her hands and realized she had a case of Costco water in the trunk so she used that to wash it off. For whatever reason, she felt it was necessary to emphasize the brand of the water.

  59. Lisa M
    04/24/2013 at 10:11 pm

    And one more question: who do you think will do the defense closing, Nurmi or Wilmott or both?

    • Gwen
      04/24/2013 at 10:16 pm

      Oh goodness…neither one is exciting. If Nurmi does it…he’ll be talking till June. Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo slow. And willmott’ will be whipping her wig and saying um, and digging through her papers. God give us strength!!!!

      • Gwen
        04/24/2013 at 10:18 pm

        JUAN on the other hand will NO DOUBT be on target and amazing!! Can’t wait!

      • 04/25/2013 at 9:13 am

        Morning all. Gwen, I agree….Mr. Juanderful will be so amazing that it will almost(but not quite) outweigh the sheer torture of either one of duh defense lawyers closing!

    • kristin
      04/24/2013 at 11:38 pm

      I think wilmott will because the jury is disgusted w wurmi and his filthy pie hole.

  60. Moon
    04/24/2013 at 10:32 pm

    this case has gone so far beyond the pale… i don’t know how much more we are supposed to take,

    that ho is the world’s WORST CASE OF DIARRHEA IMAGINABLE..she just continues to spew shit ;

    IF any of these jurors are hold-outs then they lied when answering pre-trial jury ?s.

    Poor Travis, he actually dated the ho for approximately 150 days then spent the next 450 days trying to get her out of his life. 450 days of torture for TA.

    We have watched this play out for less than 150 days, but we are all ready to personally give her the needle!!!!

  61. Jay
    04/24/2013 at 10:35 pm

    Anybody see th Dr Drew show tonight?
    About the Pscho film photo similarities?
    And the National Enquirer story about JA claiming she miscarried and TAs indifference was like a knife in her heart?

    • Jay
      04/24/2013 at 10:36 pm

      That’s Psycho of course

    • Lisa M
      04/25/2013 at 12:10 am

      This pregnancy tabloid story is reminding me of Chicago when Roxie Hart pretends she’s pregnant to get attention before her trial.

      • Jay
        04/25/2013 at 12:17 am

        All too preposterous for words …

  62. Jay
    04/24/2013 at 10:39 pm
  63. Kristy
    04/24/2013 at 11:03 pm

    I hope Juan brings up the fact that this trial has lasted longer than TA and JAs dating. Sure the were F—-buddies, but in this day and age, that’s normal. Just because you have a sexual relationship, where role playing is the focus, doesn’t mean death is a normal part of it. Travis was so green sexually compared to Jodi that its obvious who brought the deviancy into it. Jodi thought she could manipulate Travis with sex and did. He just didn’t realize what he was dealing with.

  64. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/24/2013 at 11:08 pm

    Jay :
    To those who remember the 1960s
    RIP Ritchie Havens
    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/richie-havens-folk-icon-dead-at-72-20130422

    Wow…..we certainly do remember the turbulent 60’s! Havens music, Woodstock, Viet Nam, Love Beads, Flower Power, “Make Love not War”, “The Summer of Love” (1967), Barry Gordy and the Motown Sound, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles!! And soooo much more!! Sad to see another Music Icon gone! Oh….gotta stop remembering….the old hens that are left are getting sentimental….too much wine!!

    • Jay
      04/25/2013 at 9:02 am

      😥 Tears for the irretrievable past…

  65. famlawparalegal
    04/24/2013 at 11:10 pm

    to donchais- thank you for a wonderful blog. have gone to a few others (when court not in session or I HAVE to get back to work -lol) but been very disapointed. Not with yours though. Will continue to follow.

  66. Schaeffer
    04/24/2013 at 11:14 pm

    Juan will most definitely NOT try to take the jury through the murder step by step, because no one other than WOBO knows all the answers. To supply a too-specific “this is how she did it” scenario only serves one purpose — it gives the jury an opportunity to say “Well, if that happened, then this doesn’t fit” and away goes the death penalty, and possibly, God forbid, a conviction. Fortunately, the State does not have to prove how it was done, only that it was done. If Juan knew exactly what had happened, he would have laid it out already. Even the points made in the rebuttal, which Juan knew from the beginning, had to be saved until WOBO had committed herself to all the lies she told, both to the experts and in her endless days on the stand.

    There are several pieces of evidence that cannot be explained — the duct tape, why she left the camera in the washing machine, how she talked him into taking the shower pics, how she was able to overpower him, how she managed to move him, to name but a few — and while we may be desperate for an explanation, it is not going to come. Unless WOBO explains all the evidence and answers all the questions, many facets of the crime will forever remain a mystery. Juan will absolutely NOT risk a conviction and the death penalty by trying to explain anything about which he is less than 100% certain.

    • Kristy
      04/24/2013 at 11:54 pm

      I’m not a legalize expert, so I can’t refute that.

      I do think that Juan will move point by point which seems contradictory to what you said. He’ll indicate Jodi’s lies versus all the rebuttal.

      My understanding is that the duct tape was an exercise item that he’d have taken off before a shower.

      The camera in the washing machine could easily be an accident during the “fog” as well as an idea that the camera would be unusable.

      She couldn’t overpower him without something threatening from jodi.

      Moving him…. Jodi weighed 120 when arrested, but her license said 125… She moved a body that was only 70-80 pounds heavier than her, and it’s easy to drag weight. I have a back issue and have managed to lift my 65 pound dog into the back seat of my car on multiple occasions in order to get him to the vet. I’m in horrible shape btw. I guess folks forget about Adrenalin. It makes folks do stuff they wouldn’t be able to do otherwise. I ran a marathon and was dehydrated to the point that I should have been in the hospital, but didn’t realize that until 1.5-2 hours later.

      I’m curious what the other items are since you listed a few…..

      • Lisa M
        04/25/2013 at 12:16 am

        I don’t know why I haven’t heard of this theory from others but I’ve always believed she left the camera behind because she thought if she took it the finger would be pointed at her because his friends knew she’s a photographer. But she needed to get rid of the photos and couldn’t trust just deleting them would do that so she put them through a wash cycle.

      • Jay
        04/25/2013 at 12:30 am

        Lisa M – I agree she didn’t take the camera because the police would have assumed someone he knew like her would have taken it. But I don’t think she put the camera in the washing machine to erase the photos – she incorrectly thought a menu erase took care of the sex photos and accidental shots. My guess is that she put the camera thru the wash cycle to get rid of her fingerprints on it

      • NancyB
        04/25/2013 at 2:45 am

        A wash cycle with BLEACH. As DeMarte told the jurors – any normal person that doesn’t have an extensive knowledge base of cameras would that doing that would ruin the camera.

    • Lisa M
      04/25/2013 at 12:12 am

      Where was the duct tape found again?

      • Lisa M
        04/25/2013 at 12:17 am

        I mean she put it (the camera) through the wash cycle.

      • HJ Madison
        04/25/2013 at 12:17 am

        Yeah …. I don’t recall that at all.

      • HJ Madison
        04/25/2013 at 12:21 am

        I don’t recall the duct tape. I think the camera got tossed in the wash because she thought it would certainly destroy any pics plus the camera. I think that is why she is so weird about seeing the pics during the police interview. Also, I wonder if she started to worry about room mates coming home. That bathroom must have been a mess — imagine what her clean up efforts were like.

      • NancyB
        04/25/2013 at 2:45 am

        In the laundry room on the floor.

    • Lisa M
      04/25/2013 at 12:23 am

      I understand what you’re saying Schaeffer. It makes me think of the Casey Anthony case when the prosecutor showed the jury that photo thru created with the duct tape around Caylee’s skull. It was overkill. It spelled out exactly what they believed Casey did but JB was able to poke holes in their theory. I think they got too specific. Of course there’s much more concrete evidence here. I also agree just like with the CA case there are things we’ll never understand. I chalk Jodis actions up to a combination of the illogical workings of her psychotic brain and her panic at the crime scene. She probably was freaking out and just not thinking clearly at that point.

  67. 04/25/2013 at 12:30 am

    Maybe we can send Syn to visit her on death row and she can give her a drug that makes her tell the truth or hypnosis and Syn can report the truth back to us. What do you all think? I’ll help pay for plane fare and drugs needed for the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    • 04/25/2013 at 5:50 am

      I reckon I could get a whole lot out of her without “truth serum” 😛

    • 04/25/2013 at 7:29 am

      I think this is a fabulous idea. We can arrange for Syn to stay in a lovely spa where she can detox from WOBO energy following meeting with her.

  68. Family of Law
    04/25/2013 at 12:31 am

    Nancy Pennington :
    I posted this earlier…I think May 1st is going to be the surrebuttal . Sounds like JM plans to finish his rebuttal tomorrow, thus the short day and then Wurmi & Wingnut need to prep their witness or witnesses for next Wednesday. Also, question?? Are the jury instructions given before or after closing arguments????? Anybody?????

    Hi Nancy- The jury will be read their final instructions on Thursday May 2nd, the closing arguments will be made on Thursday and Friday.

    • Nancy Pennington
      04/25/2013 at 11:03 am

      Thanks for the answer. For some reason, I thought the jury instructions came last just before the jury was sent to deliberate. Guess that made more sense to me that it would be the last thing they would hear before starting their deliberations but I bow to your knowledge which is superior to mine. I have watched many trials on Court TV, etc. and can’t remember the sequence (*_*) TX so much!!

  69. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/25/2013 at 12:41 am

    C.I. :
    Maybe we can send Syn to visit her on death row and she can give her a drug that makes her tell the truth or hypnosis and Syn can report the truth back to us. What do you all think? I’ll help pay for plane fare and drugs needed for the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    How about we all just beat the sh** out of her!

    • HJ Madison
      04/25/2013 at 12:58 am

      Girls! Settle down!

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/25/2013 at 1:03 am

        We meant JA…not Syn!

      • 04/25/2013 at 5:47 am

        😯 CC’sC 😯

  70. SeniorMoments
    04/25/2013 at 12:42 am

    It is very clear that the evidence logically brings the first degree murder conviction. The above 15 points that defy reasonable belief are obvious and undeniable. So why am I concerned? I’ve been watching trials since OJ and without exception, the popular opinion expressed on boards and in the press on each of those major cases has been guilty as charged. The actual verdicts have been just the opposite. Why? A variety of reasons, but the reasons given, over and over, are that the jury could not find for a guilty verdict GIVEN THE JURY INSTRUCTIONS THEY WERE GIVEN. Another extremely frequently given reason is an incorrect understanding of the words BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

    I am very encouraged by the questions that we have heard from this jury. What we don’t know is how representative they are of the jury as a whole. In the first Spector trial, there was a hung jury, 11-1, held up by the single juror, an engineer who required that each individual point be proven beyond ALL doubt!! He just couldn’t accept any form of common sense or circumstantial evidence. All it takes is one, as we all know. One of the defense lawyer/talking heads on HLN today said that any verdict less than life without parole is a huge verdict favoring the defense. I, along with everyone here, I’m sure, would be sick at my stomach to see that defendant and her team celebrating while the Alexander family is shredded.

    So why am I being Ms Depression here? I’m just trying to protect myself from the vey real possibility that some “sleeper” on the jury might play the role of that engineer. Even in the Casey Anthony case, the jurors said they thought she was guilty but they could not find it because of the jury instructions they were given. I’ve served on a jury where 16 of us heard all the evidence, and just before deliberations, the judge drew 4 numbers out of a hat and we were excused from the process! What an anticlimax and that was only a 2 week trial! Imagine what 4 people are going to feel next Friday. We can only hope that those 4 include those like the engineer and the other 12 can see the truth through the instructions they are given. The two most important parts of a trial are jury selection and jury instructions and jury instructions! I hope they got those right.

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:03 am

      I agree with pretty much all you say here. I just want to say that as long as this jury doesn’t actually acquit her, ala Casey Anthony, I can live with a hung jury. Here’s why: re-trials have absurdly high rates of conviction. Even as evidenced in the Phil Spector case…they got him the 2nd time. The prosecution learns everything from the 1st jury that went wrong and right, and uses that info to go back and hone their case for precision and a conviction. So even though it would be horrible for all if us to go through a re-trial, we would get through it for the sake of justice for Travis, and Jodi would remain in jail the whole time (as opposed to out on bail like some defendants), and JA would eventually go down hard for what she did.

    • HJ Madison
      04/25/2013 at 1:10 am

      Very well said. I have more faith this time around though, much more. There are just too many lies out of WOBO directly and too many “coincidences” not to find premeditation. Let’s hope anyway!

      • NancyB
        04/25/2013 at 2:53 am

        We also, thankfully, don’t have a Cindy Anthony purposefully committing perjury on multiple occasions with testiphony from the witness stand. That didn’t help at all. Also there was NO bereaved family sitting vigil in that courtroom each day as Travis has.

  71. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/25/2013 at 12:53 am

    Family of Law :
    Hi Ci Ci’s- I still remember the look on squirmy Wurm’s face when JA decided to add (blurt) holster! Priceless! If he could have, he would’ve shouted “will you ever just learn to shut the f**k up?”

    Yea….he sure looked like he took a dump didn’t he?!!

    • Marilyn N
      04/25/2013 at 1:21 am

      Was that on direct questioning or Juan or juror questions?
      I’d like to see a clip of that!

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/25/2013 at 1:46 am

        The holster statement was her response to a jury question so it was towards the end of her testimony.

    • 04/25/2013 at 9:17 am

      That was great! Wurmi went pale…his face said….”oh s**t!” right after she said it! He looked as if he was about to give birth to that baby he’s been carrying around!

    • Family of Law
      04/25/2013 at 10:19 am

      Lol! Yes- his XXXXL boxers needed a double rinse with bleach.

  72. Anna
    04/25/2013 at 12:54 am

    had to post por favor: my mom just finished a very short email w/ this: “Nothing else happened worth mentioning today.” omgosh…needed immediate group therapy…alas…came here instead…plz tell me – should I now be afraid of what wasn’t ‘worth mentioning’? LMAOPIMPROFLMAOWTIME [hope you guys are doin’ as well as possible right now. hang in there, baby! we can do this!!!]

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:05 am

      Just confirm that no bones have been broken in a domestic dispute! 🙂

    • Jill
      04/25/2013 at 2:26 am

      Hope u r ok. 🙂

    • Anna
      04/25/2013 at 2:57 am

      Dearest Crystal: Thank you for the sincere laughter & smiles you provided here. I’ll be praying for you. GoGetEmGirlie!!!! 😉

      To Sweet Jill, Whom i’ve Never Met: Hi! And thank you so much for posting! i’ve spewed & littered all over the place here many times before (the janitors actually quit, and that’s why I had to stop…lol), but you just need the ‘cliff notes’ version of me, like, now…i’m a texan mama bear who’s been awoken a bit too early this spring. And I’ve awoken, as usual, real hungry. (my son said the buffalo are running, but i don’t pay no mind to smart animals…they’re cool with me so long as they don’t attempt to eat me; then all bets are off ifykwim) Okay Jill, I was always the crazy one in the back alley here who has mad typing skills and therefore can’t control the stream of consciousness well at all [evidence still being typed as we speak]. But plz still accept my most sincere hopes to you that you are doing okay in this nutzo worldo we live in oh. no life of illusions, yays? 🙂
      best to all out there in CFJ land. This trial just got-a-rockin’, no? yes! The heat is Juan and Justice For Travis is but a blink away…or 40, or whatever. We will never give up the hope, champs! Stay strong & copacetic on. always,
      ~Anna

      • Jill
        04/25/2013 at 9:14 am

        Ty dear Anna…..praying for u! This is a “nutzo world” and I feel like I am constantly just struggling to keep my head above water.
        Take good care of yourself.

      • 04/25/2013 at 10:25 am

        good to see you back, Anna. Ignore same post below, somehow it posted right after Nurmi nude. Oops these computers are always getting me into trouble. Think I will go back to lurking in the shadows of wordpress

    • Chrissie A
      04/25/2013 at 5:42 am

      LMAOPIMPROFLMAOWTIME Please translate?

  73. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/25/2013 at 1:24 am

    Family of Law :
    Hi WIS:) Yup, JA is steering this sinking ship- jotting notes, feeding more lies, and whispering with JW. I’m certain the DT (or JA’s Mom) begged the Grandmother to appear for the sympathy ploy today, she was not there by choice. That poor thing looked horrified, and devastated.

    That poor old woman….they probably told her they were taking her shopping and then wheeled her into the courtroom! She certainly didn’t look like she was there by choice! As it is when they were arresting JA at their house and the grandparents asked what was going on and were told she was being arrested for murder the grandparents themselves said, “we’re not surprised!” Wow……guess they knew what they were dealing with all along!!

    • 04/25/2013 at 7:41 am

      Maybe she( grandmother), was glued into going. So not right…She looked miserable the few times I saw her.

      • 04/25/2013 at 7:56 am

        Was supposed to read guilted not glued

  74. marus stevens
    04/25/2013 at 3:08 am

    well there is going to be people gathered outside court room when the verdict is going to be watched so when she is convicted they can applaud and cheer so jodi can hear.

  75. marus stevens
    04/25/2013 at 3:09 am

    I will definately be there.

  76. tracey1a
    04/25/2013 at 6:04 am

    Jay :
    Lisa M – I agree she didn’t take the camera because the police would have assumed someone he knew like her would have taken it. But I don’t think she put the camera in the washing machine to erase the photos – she incorrectly thought a menu erase took care of the sex photos and accidental shots. My guess is that she put the camera thru the wash cycle to get rid of her fingerprints on it

    Huh???

  77. Tracey A
    04/25/2013 at 6:06 am

    Jay :
    Lisa M – I agree she didn’t take the camera because the police would have assumed someone he knew like her would have taken it. But I don’t think she put the camera in the washing machine to erase the photos – she incorrectly thought a menu erase took care of the sex photos and accidental shots. My guess is that she put the camera thru the wash cycle to get rid of her fingerprints on it

    Huh??

    • Chrissie A
      04/25/2013 at 6:14 am

      I think the photo of Travis sitting was taken in error while she had the camera around her neck.
      The ceiling shot is when I think she removed the camera, strap still attached, as it was getting in her way and it fell to the ground. The last two shots I believe were taken when the camera was inadvertently kicked around during the attack.
      I really don’t think that she would have the time to remove the strap during the attack, (unless it was snapped or broken off by force, but I’m thinking there would be damage to the strap holders on the camera if that were the case) so in other words I think she removed the strap during her farked up “clean up”. (I have 2 Sony still cameras and 1 heavy duty camera strap – they can take a few mins to be removed as they are looped thru the holders on the camera.)

      • 04/25/2013 at 6:46 am

        Yesssss!!!!!! Oh thank god you are back!! ****waves**** Yay!!!!

        I’ve been asking for your clarification of this for days now!!! I sooooo agree with you!!

        4 ‘inadvertents’ and then she saw them.. panicked deleted the pics and chucked the camera in the washing machine thinking it was going to be destroyed by the water, bleach and spin cycle.

        Bad luck didn’t work Jodi!

      • 04/25/2013 at 7:36 am

        Hey Chrissie,
        Good to see you. I was wondering if it wasn’t too much trouble for u, could you repost the Wurmi eating grapes work of art? Some folks may not have seen it and I think it would be greatly appreciated. Personally, it is on my short list of favorites. However, there r too many to choose from as an absolute favorite!!

      • 04/25/2013 at 7:48 am

        Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

      • Family of Law
        04/25/2013 at 9:58 am

        Hi Chrissie- Was a camera strap found at the crime scene?

      • Nancy Pennington
        04/25/2013 at 10:29 am

        Chrissie: According to info the strap for the camera was still in the box. Do you think she used another strap? What happened to the strap? It wasn’t found in the house? Why would she have taken the strap off instead of putting it thru the wash cycle with the camera?

    • Jay
      04/25/2013 at 8:51 am

      Huh?? What part?

  78. Tracey A
    04/25/2013 at 6:19 am

    Btw – Chrissie! Since you are so familiar with Trader Joe’s, why don’t you ask them next time you visit what is $2 buck Chuck!!!! Live and learn…:roll:

    • Tracey A
      04/25/2013 at 6:20 am

      😆

    • Chrissie A
      04/25/2013 at 6:29 am

      BTW – Trace since you are so familiar with Brit lingo, next time you are in an English pub ask them what a slapcabbage is 😛

      • Tracey A
        04/25/2013 at 6:33 am

        Did I mention my first name is “Sally”???? 🙄

  79. 04/25/2013 at 8:01 am

    I don’t think she intended to put the camera through the wash, i think it got caught up in her dirty deeds laundry pile and tossed accidently, she couldn’t go back and retrieve it once she’d left the house. jmho

  80. 04/25/2013 at 8:08 am

    Syntara :
    Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

    I’m laughing just thinking of it…and those funny little feet.

    • 04/25/2013 at 8:34 am

      Lisa.. how how how how how????? how can you ask for THAT again!!!

      • 04/25/2013 at 9:22 am

        I think it is one of Chrissie’s finest…although too many great works to actually choose! We all need a good laugh and IMHO, this is too fantastic not to share again. LOL. Love it…!
        Really captures Wurmi’s Essenes!

      • 04/25/2013 at 9:33 am

        Laugh??? laugh??? you think that’s funny!!! sick sick sick sick!! 😛

    • Chrissie A
      04/25/2013 at 9:03 am

      If you insist – now don’t get too excited:

      • 04/25/2013 at 9:09 am

        NOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

      • 04/25/2013 at 9:18 am

        You r the very best Chrissie !!!! It is a little after 6am here and I’m starting the day with exuberant laughter. After the recent nurmi cross exam of Deana, this puts things in perspective. It is therapeutic! I think people will enjoy and get a great laugh from it all!

      • truejustice
        04/25/2013 at 9:30 am

        OMG – I must have missed that one before. I could have gone my whole life without seeing that. Kinda reminds be of star wars. I now hate grapes. lol

      • 04/25/2013 at 9:33 am

        Thanks, Chrissie….there goes my breakfast!!

      • 04/25/2013 at 10:10 am

        just when you thought you were out they pull you back in

      • MMD
        04/25/2013 at 10:39 am

        Chrissie darlin’ you ar simply a genius and you have been missed!!!! 😀

  81. 04/25/2013 at 8:42 am

    good to see you back Anna

  82. Jane
    04/25/2013 at 9:44 am

    Watching recap In Session..during Deanna with Nurmi, Jodi looks toward jury, counts then mouths, ‘7’.. Turns to Jenny, she then looks at jury (jw) , Jodi writes in her art pad.

  83. 04/25/2013 at 9:57 am

    Syntara :
    Laugh??? laugh??? you think that’s funny!!! sick sick sick sick!!

    Yes, it probably is diagnostic but there is no denying how entertaining and funny this is. Chrissie’s creations lighten the load. You must admit Syn that looking at Wurmi in court takes on a whole new nuance since viewing him eating grapes.LOL

    • 04/25/2013 at 10:03 am

      Lisa!!!! behave!!!! I do not want to look at that thing!!! I never wanted to see it again! I’ve now got PTSD.. (again). 😛

      • 04/25/2013 at 12:45 pm

        Well, I want to right this wrong! Individual therapy would help you work thru the traumatic experience. As such, I will happily contact Dr. Schlock or La toilette on your behalf. They probably have some free time and would not mind traveling to your beautiful country. Give it some thought and when you decide which individual you would prefer, just let me know. Hopefully, this ” therapeutic ” alliance won’t enhance your PTSD symptoms!! LOL

  84. Jane
    04/25/2013 at 10:18 am

    Someone called onHLN last night, said JA during testimony said something about after she shot him ‘he wouldn’t die’, I remember something similar. When these liars mix lies with truth so they can remember it all, now I’ve changed my theory of events. That ‘eye’ photo looks like left arm behind her back holding the gun, she made him shower so it would be clean, he got out, went to chase her she ran as she went to bedroom to find a knife, he chased her to bathroom stopping at the sink she stabbed him, he ran to the hall whet she finished him off.

    • Jane
      04/25/2013 at 10:21 am

      All this after the shot into his right cheek, forgot that part. AS far as the shell on the blood, she said it may have gotten kicked there during scuffle.

      • 04/25/2013 at 10:25 am

        no way the shot was first sorry

    • Nancy Pennington
      04/25/2013 at 10:39 am

      JA didn’t say “he wouldn’t die” she said he “wouldn’t stop” The jury was supposed to think that meant he wouldn’t stop coming at her but WE alll thought what she was really saying was that he wouldn’t stop moaning, twitching, moving and just DIE.

      • 04/25/2013 at 10:43 am

        In the interrogation videos she references something about this in her ninja story. She lies but there is bits of truth in those vids.. worth watching them.

      • Moon
        04/25/2013 at 10:45 am

        good morning ev1!

        in the flores interrogation the ho indeed said – he wouldn’t die. (the ninja story) as the caller to hln said last nite.. what friend would say that when one is being killed by 2 ninjas…….

      • Moon
        04/25/2013 at 10:47 am

        just re-read these last 3 and now thinking to self how ridiculas hahahah the ninja story…… crazy

      • Lisa M
        04/25/2013 at 12:38 pm

        Do u have to be so explicit? I really don’t want to read about Travis moaning and twitching. It just goes too far. We all know about the horrific details of his death. I don’t think we need to hear speculation of the gruesome details of the last seconds of his life. At least I don’t.

      • 04/25/2013 at 12:47 pm

        Yes, that is how I remember it.

    • HJ Madison
      04/25/2013 at 11:12 am

      We are suppose to hear from the ME today, so maybe there will be more clarity. I fall in the camp of she stabbed him first while he was seated in the shower. I think he was just dumb-founded by what happened and then the struggle began. I see no issue with her dragging his body back to the shower and the shot was due to his remains making gurgling sounds.

  85. 04/25/2013 at 10:41 am

    Nancy Pennington :
    Chrissie: According to info the strap for the camera was still in the box. Do you think she used another strap? What happened to the strap? It wasn’t found in the house? Why would she have taken the strap off instead of putting it thru the wash cycle with the camera?

    Nancy.. she would have had her own strap. It would have been set to her length already. She would not have needed to use the new one. Chrissie who is a photographer seek her advice on this it makes perfect sense the way she explains it.

  86. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 10:45 am

    Morning all *********waves************* Donchais once again thank you for your awesome recap since I missed yesterday (altho my cleaning lady suspiciously had my laptop downstairs and I didn’t hear the vacuum going very much :-() As always the School of Donchais taught me all I needed to know this morning and I am NOT impressed with the new court hours, although I’m so glad that the end is close for the Alexander family!!!

    • Family of Law
      04/25/2013 at 10:59 am

      Hope you’re feeling better this morning:-)

    • HJ Madison
      04/25/2013 at 11:05 am

      Good Morning All …. and MMD are you better? I just knew you would be peeved about the schedule! You were missed yesterday, though it was one of those “c’mon already!” days.

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 11:28 am

      Much better thanks. It was definitely a Haagen Dazs day! Yesterday seems like it was a typical let’s hurry up and wait day although I will have to watch the video to see poor Gramma 😦 Sounds like she looked miserable!

      • HJ Madison
        04/25/2013 at 11:42 am

        So, so sad! Can you imagine what it must feel like to know that evil creature lived in your home? No wonder she and JA’s mother are in complete denial! Would you not just obsess over what you did wrong??? Just more “collateral damage” in all this.

  87. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 10:52 am

    Anna

    I am so glad that you posted. I have been extremely worried and concerned about you. Please keep popping in when you can because not only do we miss you but it feels like a vital part of our group is missing 😦 We all just want to make sure you are still breathing!!!!!!!

    Please take care and we are all here if you need us. Stay safe darlin’

    xoxoxoxoxo
    Your peeps

  88. Moon
    04/25/2013 at 10:56 am

    yikesssssssssssssssssssss
    …………just scrolled up

    ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww…………all that’s missing is that oversized, overcomensating WATCH!!!

  89. Moon
    04/25/2013 at 10:57 am

    ** compensating

  90. Family of Law
    04/25/2013 at 11:07 am

    I wrote this a while back- and posted here several days ago- But since several more instances of JA’s “bad luck” have come to light… So feel free to now add more examples!

    Poor JA is SO unlucky… (this of course, and all that follows is pure “tongue in cheek”)

    Too bad that neither JA or Travis mentioned even once that they were taping their phone sex call- how unlucky that even after the “sexy talk” ended, they didn’t mention ending the recording before moving onto more trivial, mundane talk. 

    How unlucky that her grandparent’s home was burglarized within less than 2 weeks of Travis’s murder! What amazing odds that a .25 auto was stolen, the very same caliber gun used to shoot Travis in the head… So unlucky! 

    Gosh, if only the rental car place closer to Yreka had had more competitive rates, she wouldn’t have had to drive 90 miles to get a good deal! And drat, that she didn’t just accept the red car, silly to have insisted on a less conspicuous color! If only the rental agent didn’t notice her blonde hair!

    How unlucky that Walmart didn’t have a record of her returning the gas can!  I’m sure they had every other transaction receipts for that day, accept poor JA’s, how unlucky!

    What a shame that those silly detectives and so called computer experts couldn’t find one shred of pedophilia evidence, anywhere in Travis’s home! 

    What bad luck, that none of Travis’s exes were battered physically or mentally! Why just poor JA? 

    How unfortunate that those naughty skater boys just happened to have a screwdriver, and managed to remove one license plate, and turn the other upside down, all in the time it took her to buy a cup of coffee. Gosh, what bad luck they chose her car above all others in that public parking lot… 

    Too bad that her phone just happened to die, AND she lost her charger, shortly after leaving Pasadena. But thankfully, 18 hours later, she found her charger, and was able to get her phone working again as soon as she was well away from the Arizona border!  Phew! (otherwise, she’d never have been able to leave Travis that sweet voicemail, and let Mr. Burns she’d be there soon!)

    What a shame that no one ever saw Travis hit or kick her- if ONLY there had been a witness! If only she had confided in her Bishop, sister or friend! If she hadn’t been such a brilliant makeup artist, someone could have seen those God awful bruises he left! 

    Just imagine if she hadn’t been so noble towards protecting Travis’s solid reputation, never wanting to “de-edify” Travis- if only she’d never heard of the “Laws of Attraction”, she could have journaled the truth about ALL those events, instead of writing “nothing noteworthy to report”, alas, what a shame. 

    Oh, what a run of bad luck to have thought washing the camera (in bleach) would destroy the picture evidence! Who knew those damn digital cards were so hardy? 

    If only she hadn’t been so nimble climbing up the closet shelves to grab the .25 caliber gun, if only she had disturbed the items on the shelves even a little! 

    Too bad no one except JA ever saw Travis’s gun. Only JA knew it was there on the top closet shelf, the one she managed to see 2 times before, or 3? Or was it 4 times?  Damn FOG!

    How unfortunate that Travis put up such a desperate fight, forcing her to cut her own hand, forcing her to leave a bloody palm print! If only Travis had just stayed in the shower!

    Poor little she devil, so very unlucky… And to top it all, she then gets one of the toughest Prosecutors in the State of Arizona, oh my, the luck of it all!

    No one is THIS unlucky.  

    • HJ Madison
      04/25/2013 at 11:22 am

      This is why ….. this is why there can be no chance this jury lets her off! There is too much! And added to her lies on the stand like “Travis told me Deanna was mentally unstable” … oh I hope some juror wrote that down in their notes …. they simply can not believe her no matter what spin is put on it.

  91. TexiBelle
    04/25/2013 at 11:12 am

    Re: JA being “pregnant”: absolutely NO disrespect for women who have legitimately gone through such a terrible experience. But that “I’m pregnant oh no ooops I had a miscarriage” [how conveeeeeeenient] is a standard tool of controlling, manipulative women who want to get sympathy and/or control someone into staying with them. It’s the perfect lie [in their mind] because it can never be disproven.

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 11:20 am

      Even though the NE broke news prior to mainstream media on the John Edwards and O.J. Simpson cases, I don’t believe that JA was ever pregnant. I think that is her PR machine trying to do some spin. As for her planning her life AFTER prison, I truly do think that she does believe that in her “genius” brain. 🙄

      • Marilyn N
        04/25/2013 at 12:06 pm

        She only “Wished” she could have been pregnant.
        For some reason my hatred for JA gets more intensified by the day. Not sure that is so healthy – good thing the end is near!!!! (PS: Good Morning!!)

  92. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 11:14 am

    OK I have a couple of questions. By the looks of things, it sounds like there is going to be a mini-surerebuttal with the defense calling another psychologist. As to who it is, if it is Geffner, well I think he will be impeached the same as Dr. Quack and ALV. I still don’t understand the point of anyone appearing since many disorders were discussed by Dr. Quack so it’s not anything new. In most cases the experts usually have opposite positions and usually cancel each other out.

    So which comes first, jury instructions or the closings?

    If JM does his closing, then Wurmi – does JM get to come back and have the last word?

    Once a verdict has been rendered, how soon will they start the penalty phase and can both sides call or recall their experts? I know that family, etc will all be able to make statements.

    How long will the penalty phase last?

    I keep hearing that Wurmi is doing the closing? Anyone know if that is true since he is apparently the lead attorney???? (which could make it last until next year)

    While I realize that state does not have to prove motive, in this CSI world, I think that the jury will demand a motive (s). Comments????

    I certainly hope that JM or the judge explains that their verdict should be based on evidence “beyond a reasonable doubt” and that they explain that it is not beyond “ALL” doubt.

    Justice for Travis!!!! Justice for the Alexander family!!!!

    • Family of Law
      04/25/2013 at 11:24 am

      MMD- The jury will be read their instructions on Thursday, then the defense will give their closing arguments. The State gets the LAST word, so I think Juan will “do his thang” on Friday. (I don’t know which will close? Wurmi or Perky – Wurmi is not DP qualified, but Perky is…)

      Jury instructions are written by attorneys and are in complicated “legalese”- it can be very confusing and overwhelming to jurors. Yes, here’s hoping EVERY juror understands “reasonable doubt”-

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/25/2013 at 11:31 am

        one reason why the system is so fragile; the search to get uneducated people or people without a sense of reason or logic is almost a mantra of defense attorneys. CA and FL have shown it can produce a few on juries, Let’s hope AZ shows the way.

      • HJ Madison
        04/25/2013 at 11:38 am

        Instructions before closing??? Maybe it depends on the State in which the trial is held …. I can hear so many closings in my head with the phrase “the judge will instruct you ….”

      • Family of Law
        04/25/2013 at 11:47 am

        Hi Robert 🙂 I think this jury has asked Q’s that prove they’re paying attention – I’m bracing myself for the verdict (I definitely suffered PTSD after the CA verdict!!! But there are striking differences in this trial, JA took the stand and perjured herself for one, and JA didn’t have a Mom that took the stand and perjure herself). I hope this jury doesn’t get bogged down in the juror instructions, the language as well as the smorgasbord of “DP, LWOP, manslaughter, etc. can cause intense debate in the deliberation. You’re right, it’s a very fragile system-

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/25/2013 at 11:27 am

      So which comes first, jury instructions or the closings?
      If JM does his closing, then Wurmi – does JM get to come back and have the last word?

      My guess is closing first, jury instructions, then on their own.
      Its usual to have State, defense & then State since the “burden” is on the State.
      (hope ice cream is helping headaches)

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/25/2013 at 11:28 am

        guess my guess was wrong

    • HJ Madison
      04/25/2013 at 11:33 am

      Hello MMD. Closings come first, then instructions. Because the State carries the burden of proof, JM goes, then the DT, then JM again. Don’t know if it is Nurmi or Wurmi and they might try to divide time and both speak if they ask and the Judge okays. Nurmi is the “death qualified” lawyer on the team, don’t think that will matter but maybe. I would think the Judge would want to get started with the penalty phase ASAP because it is the same jury and they have been at it awhile now. Probably a week pause then it starts. It will go pretty fast but since she is now guilty the tables will turn. JM will have a field day, compared to how much has been withheld from this jury to this point. My guess, it will last a few days. As to motive …. they may actually be instructed there need be no motive shown. All that matters is one question — did she premeditate the killing. All the other details are irrelevant.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/25/2013 at 11:43 am

        well thanks, so I didn’t make a goof guess. The instructions are so directed towards the chore the jurors are about to undertake that it makes sense to have it right before they start to confer. If they heard them first, their minds would be spinning during the closing about what and what not to pay attention to.

      • Family of Law
        04/25/2013 at 12:06 pm

        I’m confused then- Judge Stevens said yesterday that there will be a short day on Wednesday (I assume the surrebuttal) then then the jury will be given their instructions, and closing arguments will be Thursday and Friday- I just heard it again on ABC…

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 11:42 am

      Thanks folks – everything is now as clear as mud 😕

      • Family of Law
        04/25/2013 at 12:07 pm

        I’m sorry for the murk- I’m googling now to find clean water.

  93. Moon
    04/25/2013 at 11:17 am

    hi chrissie… that photo way up top…. wow you can see the love turning to hate from the ho towards whinywillnot, who’s looking like ooohhh crap!

  94. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 11:22 am

    Hey Syn – your former PM is in Texas for the opening of the Bushie presidential library!!! 😉

  95. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/25/2013 at 11:38 am

    Hello room. Good Juanhalfday.I join those who dread another rebuttal. Even if Juan crosses as he usually does, the whole idea is another tiptoe through the tulips of fear about appeal. Since so few cases ever get to appeal, it boggles the mind to think it is the cause of the defernece to any Duh-fence request.

  96. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/25/2013 at 11:40 am

    And, rather than just have a Juan cross, I’d like it if they flew in old Lenore Walker to rebut whoever the next clown is. Az already spent close to 2 million, whats a plane ride for the Queen of battered Women herself?

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 11:44 am

      OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH Robert – I like the way your mind works!!! That is an awesome idea 😀

  97. 04/25/2013 at 11:41 am

    Someone mentioned the other day that the jury will have 1st and 2nd degree murder charges to consider. What does the 2nd degree charge carry in AZ? Thx

    • HJ Madison
      04/25/2013 at 11:45 am

      Like up to 22 years …. she has already served 5! There is some probation following … but not enough for this wench!

  98. donchais
    04/25/2013 at 11:42 am

    Per Judge Stephens yesterday,

    Jury instructions on Wednesday, closing arguments on Thursday and Friday!

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 11:45 am

      Thank you donchais! 😀 {{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/25/2013 at 11:45 am

      FINALLY! An adult!

      • MMD
        04/25/2013 at 11:47 am

        See that’s why it’s the School of Donchais – we’re always learning something new 🙂

    • Family of Law
      04/25/2013 at 12:13 pm

      Thank you Donchais! I was certain I had heard correctly that jury instructions were read before closing arguments- now I can skip cleaning my ears out 🙂

  99. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 11:49 am

    All I can say, is that it is going to be a hell of a long time from a short court day today to next Wednesday 😦 I may be forced to get a life again!!!!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/25/2013 at 11:58 am

      NO! NOT THAT! I ordered Wendy Murphy’s book, so I’ll read it and keep me tethered. 🙂

      • MMD
        04/25/2013 at 12:06 pm

        I ordered that book from Amazon.ca on April 16th and it will be delivered Friday May 3 2013 – Friday May 24 2013 plus it’s not available on Kindle. 🙄

    • 04/25/2013 at 11:59 am

      LoL! I have been thinking that I have no idea what I will do when this trial is over! It reminds me of the movie The Truman Show!

  100. 04/25/2013 at 11:56 am

    hi MMD glad you are feeling better. Do you know what time court starts today?

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 12:07 pm

      Morning and thanks – :9:30 AZ time, 1:30 my time 🙂

  101. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/25/2013 at 11:57 am

    As discussions of jury times go, I recall when it was announced that the OJ jury had reached a verdict. I had been to the trial, had looked at the jurors and felt, they HAD to know the score. I also felt at the announcement that it was a slam dunk guilty and thats why it took so short a time. I called a defense lawyer I know and started to shout with glee and he said, “Whoa there buddy. My experience with juries is that when someone’s life or freedom is involved, they usually take a lot of time to be comfortable with their decision. I think it’s a bad sign”

    So while I want them to confer for 5 minutes – even just look around and non verbally express ‘slam dunk’ – I wont be upset if they take awhile. Or lets say what a reasonable person thinks is awhile.But if they take too long, not understanding what is “reasonable, then all bets and hopes and trusts in the fairness of it goes flying outthe window!”

  102. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 12:00 pm

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
    hWild feels bad for new followers that think hWild and everyone else is completely nuts

    Pretty much sums up how I feel 😆

  103. HJ Madison
    04/25/2013 at 12:06 pm

    Donchais (or the other legal wizards, when you have time): If JA is found guilty of 1st degree it looks like Arizona rule 19.1 describes an “aggravation proceeding”. If the jury finds “aggravation” then we move on to Penalty phase. Do you know about this “aggravation proceeding”? If JM just says “29 stab wounds, he was alive and suffered” is that enough?

  104. Kathy A.
    04/25/2013 at 12:06 pm

    I have a question for any and everyone. I was unfortunately watching Nancy Grace last night and she had Jean Casarez on with her answering questions from viewers. One caller asked if it could be considered premeditation that Jodi borrowed money from a guy and told him she just “had” to get to Travis in Arizona. Jean C. looked dumbfounded and said that there was evidence of Jodi making bank deposits but they hadn’t heard anything about her borrowing money. Now, I don’t remember if the guy was allowed to testify or he just spoke on the news programs, but isn’t there a guy who was something like a customer in the restaurant where Jodi worked or hung out and she approached him in the restaurant and asked to borrow money because she was frantic to get to Arizona, or am I hallucinating again?

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 12:09 pm

      I remember seeing him being interviewed but I don’t know where. I do know he didn’t testify.

    • Marilyn N
      04/25/2013 at 12:13 pm

      I think it was speculated that she borrowed money from the So.Cal. friends, making bank deposits right after her visits with them.

      • MMD
        04/25/2013 at 12:17 pm

        That’s exactly what I remember. You girls are great!!!! 🙂

      • MMD
        04/25/2013 at 12:19 pm

        sorry reply should have been to CiCi

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/25/2013 at 12:13 pm

      Paul Stern at the Ventana restaurant. She used to go in there and use the computer for hours and that’s how he met her. There was never anything between them but he did say that she came to him the day before she left frantic that her “boyfriend” was dating other women and she had to get to him in AZ. She borrowed money from him and he was the first (and probably only) she paid back when she returned. He’s been on a few HLN shows in the past.

      • MMD
        04/25/2013 at 12:18 pm

        Reply should have been here!!!! duh 😦

        That’s exactly what I remember. You girls are great!!!! 🙂

      • Kathy A.
        04/25/2013 at 12:38 pm

        Thank you, Ci Ci and ladies! I knew I had heard something to that effect.

  105. Marilyn N
    04/25/2013 at 12:10 pm

    Thinking they are going to need to replace that chair Wormi has been reclining in
    all this time. The springs must be shot to smithereens!! 😄

    • 04/25/2013 at 12:13 pm

      They should have a Bonfire Party and BURN IT!!!!

  106. 04/25/2013 at 12:12 pm

    HJ Madison :
    Like up to 22 years …. she has already served 5! There is some probation following … but not enough for this wench!

    When would a person be eligible for parole on a 2nd degree charge if they get the 22 years? And does anyone have a good estimate on how long they think this jury is likely to deliberate? I thought about a week, but I was told that is a little too long.

  107. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 12:15 pm

    OT
    U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel announced today that the United States has evidence chemical weapons have been used in Syria.

    • Jill
      04/25/2013 at 12:30 pm

      This world is really scary. 😦

  108. stephanie
    04/25/2013 at 12:27 pm

    Someone on this blog introduced to me to another blog called egg tree news and I apologize I forgot who it was. But todays post was rather funny and I quote

    “Then the tortoise on Quaaludes dragged himself out of his barcalounger to cross examine Flores, because it wasn’t like anybody else was gonna do it. Side-eye at mopey Jenny. Trial watchers everywhere braced themselves for raunchy questions about Flores’ sex life, but surprisingly, Nurmi didn’t go there. He just huffalumped and grumped his way around the room, grunted a few questions, then went back to bed.”

    If you haven’t had a change to read this blog please hop on over and do so its a rather hilarious

  109. NancyB
    04/25/2013 at 12:29 pm

    Here is the part of the transcript from Dr Drew & Paul Stern -From Feb. 6, 2013

    Joining me, Paul Stern, who I`d said worked with her. I was wrong about that. He got know Jodi in 2008 before she killed Travis.

    I guess, Paul, she worked at the Ventana Inn up in Big Sur and you were a customer there. She was a bartender, is that correct?

    PAUL STERN, KNEW JODI ARIAS (via telephone): I own a house there. So, she frequented a bar and grill and restaurant every night to get on the computer.

    PINSKY: So, she was not — well, hold on a second. So, she was not an employee of this place. You guys both just went to this inn, this restaurant?

    STERN: Yes. She was an employee of Ventana but I wasn`t. I just lived there.

    PINSKY: I see. And you actually loaned her the money that ended up on the trip where she actually killed Travis?

    STERN: Well, the day before she left, she was pretty frantic that she had to go back and see Travis, and she talked about how he was seeing other people and she asked to borrow money and I gave her money.

    PINSKY: Paul, when you say she was frantic, describe how you — who you thought she was and what you mean by frantic.

    STERN: Well, I spent a lot of hours with Jodi. She would sit right next to me.

    And you know more about Jodi by what she doesn`t say. She never talked about her family, her friends, her boyfriends, her hobbies. And she never talked about her feelings or emotions.

    WALSH: What did she talk about?

    STERN: But she was on the computer constantly and she kept a journal. She would show me pictures on the computer. There had to be thousands of them. I only looked at a few.

    But I really wasn`t interested in time that much in her pictures.

    PINSKY: In spite of her talking about her obsessions — by the way, did she pay you back?

    STERN: She did pay me back.

    PINSKY: OK. And despite her talking about the obsessions about the boyfriend, was she sexually provocative with you?

    STERN: No. No. I have a girlfriend that I`m still with at that time. And I`m not available. And I think she sensed that.

    PINSKY: OK, so fair enough.

    STERN: She would come and sit next to me whenever she was in there.

    PINSKY: OK. Casey —

    STERN: And —

    PINSKY: What, Paul? Finish that up.

    STERN: When you engage in conversation with Jodi and look into her eyes, it`s like looking in a two-way mirror. But Jodi`s looking at the reflective part of the mirror. And her eye beams never really meet your eyes.

    And she`s very coy, enigmatic, and very articulate. And she`s also the same way about how she dresses, postures herself, and what she does without saying any words.

    PINSKY: OK, Paul, I`m going to put you on hold for a second.

    Casey, I see you shaking your head. What are your thoughts on this?

    CASEY JORDAN, CRIMINOLOGIST: Well, a few things. First of all, it`s great to hear from Paul Stern the fact that she had to borrow the money because she was obsessed about getting to Travis Alexander because she was in the middle of a terrible break-up and this was simply not acceptable to her. So his description of her obsession is really on cue with what we know happened thereafter.

    But that blank look in her eyes is what we very often call in sociology and criminology Cooley`s looking-glass self. It`s part of her chameleon and her actress affect. She`s constantly gauging or scanning whoever she`s talking to.

    And without even thinking about it, she mirrors back. We see her do it all the time in court. We see her do it with her defense attorney, even looking like her all the time.

    But she wants to know what will please people. This is a behavior she probably learned in her childhood. The bottom line is, he noticed it even though he wasn`t involved with her.

    WALSH: And Dr. Drew, isn`t that a survival instinct for many people who have survived child abuse?

    PINSKY: That`s right. It makes sense in the context, this kind of abuse.

    But, Casey, what`s it called? What`s the syndrome called? Cooley`s looking glass?

    JORDAN: We call it the Cooley`s looking-glass self. It means we are reflective and reactive. We are constantly modifying and interacting with everyone we communicate with, but some people take it to a much higher level to where they don`t even know who they are or what they —

    PINSKY: That — Casey, all right, Casey, I`ve got to go to a break. But I want you to take me from that syndrome to how we get somebody who is a murderer in your mind.

    Thank you, Paul Stern. Very enlightening.

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 12:35 pm

      Wow you’re good Nancy! I’m impressed!!!!! That is the ONLY HLN show I watch and only occasionally.

      • Jill
        04/25/2013 at 12:40 pm

        I wonder why Paul stern wasn’t called by Juan?

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/25/2013 at 12:49 pm

      In our opinion we thought this would show that she had a “plan” in place to get to Travis. On the stand she said it was not planned that she made a last minute decision to go see him when she was in Pasadena because he guilted her. This guy’s statement clearly shows she was already planning the day before and the intent was there when she borrowed the money. The only thing we can think of is maybe there was something in his statement to the police that may not have been credible to them and for this reason they did not call him as a witness. Who knows……so many players in a bad play!!

  110. Marilyn N
    04/25/2013 at 12:29 pm

    I am reading a true crime book – Life With Billy.
    Now this is real domestic violence.
    He was a monster – not even a human being!
    It took place in Nova Scotia.

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 12:42 pm

      I remember that trial. Didn’t it take place somewhere like Bridgewater or Lunenburg, or maybe it was in Cape Breton???? I remember she was found not guilty.

  111. Marilyn N
    04/25/2013 at 12:31 pm

    Donchais: The Trial Gods must be looking over you as this one should be over to clear the way for your next trial!! Will it be live streamed?

  112. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 12:31 pm

    WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
    As hwild looks at the state seal he still sees the man with his hands on hips hwho patiently is hwaiting for trial to resume.

  113. Jill
    04/25/2013 at 12:39 pm

    I’m not sure why I was so dumb,but I thought trial would start on time today since there is a short day and since it was so short and ended so abruptly yesterday.

    • 04/25/2013 at 12:47 pm

      This Judge has no control of her courtroom! As a paralegal, I’ve spent a fair amount of time in Utah Courts. Even Commissioners run a tighter ship than Judge Stephens. The Defense team has no respect for her.

      • Jill
        04/25/2013 at 12:49 pm

        You are right

  114. Jay
    04/25/2013 at 12:41 pm

    WildAboutTrial WildAboutTrial ‏@WildAboutTrial 2m

    Just got hword, #JodiArias is in courtroom. The coroner is here as a witness for today. Stay tuned everyone!

    • Jay
      04/25/2013 at 12:43 pm

      Hwhat I’ve been hwaiting for, the ME hwitness’s return!

      • Jay
        04/25/2013 at 12:50 pm

        Hopefully a CSI moment ahead:
        Subsequent autopsy results show Travis was drugged with a date rape sedative that made it impossible for him to defend himself…

  115. 04/25/2013 at 12:48 pm

    Lisa :
    Yes, that is how I remember it.

    This comment is in response to Nancy P.

  116. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 12:51 pm

    Is that the grandmother sitting next to JA’s mother???

    • HJ Madison
      04/25/2013 at 12:53 pm

      Yes….the wheelchair … just unbelievable!

  117. Moon
    04/25/2013 at 12:51 pm

    well the gramma’s back…
    wth?

    • Jay
      04/25/2013 at 12:54 pm

      with all of her family in jail or court she probably doesn’t have anyone o take care of her at home.

  118. 04/25/2013 at 12:53 pm

    Wow! JA looks like she knows the end is nigh!

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 12:54 pm

      Here’s hoping – I’m all packed to come and give her the injection personally! 🙂

      • 04/25/2013 at 12:56 pm

        Ha! Not if I get there first!

      • MMD
        04/25/2013 at 12:58 pm

        OK you can have an arm and I’ll take an arm, just to make sure it truly works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  119. Family of Law
    04/25/2013 at 12:56 pm

    Ooh! The besties are in matching brown! The DT looks like they’re dressed for a funeral!

  120. 04/25/2013 at 12:56 pm

    why r u hiding ur face??? YOU DID THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • truejustice
      04/25/2013 at 12:59 pm

      AMEN – she should be forced to look at these .. but then again she might gain some sick pleasure from them

  121. Marilyn N
    04/25/2013 at 12:57 pm

    Oh Gee! I guess I better act sad now!!!

  122. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 12:57 pm

    Well JA is not looking……………. cue the fake tears……………………….

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:07 pm

      That hair hanging over her face. Her ” morbid curiosity” would prompt her to look at photos thru hair. I MHO

  123. truejustice
    04/25/2013 at 12:57 pm

    what … ja can’t even look at her work now , but during the interrogation she asked to see crime scene photos multiple times.

    • Elexa
      04/25/2013 at 1:02 pm

      “oooooh, can I see the pictures?”

  124. HJ Madison
    04/25/2013 at 12:58 pm

    Oh she is working hard to get some fake tears!

  125. Marilyn N
    04/25/2013 at 12:58 pm

    “But, but, but – He was picking at my clothes!!!!!”

  126. 04/25/2013 at 12:58 pm

    Good ahead, scumbag…..take a peek….you know you want to!!! Sicko!!!

    • Elexa
      04/25/2013 at 1:02 pm

      She does keep sneaking a peek. What a pig.

      • 04/25/2013 at 1:04 pm

        I saw that! I mean it is just unbelievable!

  127. Moon
    04/25/2013 at 12:58 pm

    too late for your tears now, you sick biotch

  128. 04/25/2013 at 12:59 pm

    no shot first jodi LIAR

  129. NancyB
    04/25/2013 at 1:00 pm

    Cousin IT has reappeared – Makes me SICK – she doesn’t even have the integrity to look at what she did without all of her dramatics!

  130. Family of Law
    04/25/2013 at 1:00 pm

    Look up! You did this you MONSTER!

  131. Anonymous
    04/25/2013 at 1:00 pm

    Good morning and thank you Donchais! Good morning everyone! So glad to be here 🙂

  132. 04/25/2013 at 1:00 pm

    ohhh she has learnt to wipe her eyes and take of her glasses

  133. Elexa
    04/25/2013 at 1:01 pm

    Dumb old jodi finally figured out that maybe, just MAYBE, she should try to look at least as upset as travis’s sisters.

  134. 04/25/2013 at 1:02 pm

    Dr Horn clean shaven

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:04 pm

      Total makeover, right Syn?? Looks good!

    • Family of Law
      04/25/2013 at 1:05 pm

      Quite handsome. And so clear in his resolve! Here comes the needle 💉 monster!

    • Moon
      04/25/2013 at 1:40 pm

      looking rather spiffy, eh!?!

      • 04/25/2013 at 1:41 pm

        I like the other look…. I’m native!

  135. 04/25/2013 at 1:03 pm

    That poor boy!

  136. Family of Law
    04/25/2013 at 1:03 pm

    JA, you are being revealed for what you really are!

  137. Elexa
    04/25/2013 at 1:03 pm

    She’s really upset that her time on center stage is coming to an end.

  138. 04/25/2013 at 1:03 pm

    no cos you stabbed him in the heart first you biatch!!!!!!!!

  139. 04/25/2013 at 1:05 pm

    Good morning and thank you Donchais. Good morning everyone. So happy to be here finally 🙂

  140. 04/25/2013 at 1:05 pm

    Woa Woa Woa, Jodi’s Cryin’

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:08 pm

      For herself! Why are they making poor little ole creepy look at her own handywork…meany, meany court pee-pul!!

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:13 pm

      She’s probably holding a ripe onion that Wilnot brought in for JA to use. Desperate times call for desperate measures- especially with this defense team.

  141. 04/25/2013 at 1:05 pm

    Aw, well isn’t that just the sadest thing you’ve ever seen; little Jodi is in tears! Contrast this B.S. with her snarky attitude on cross with JM!

    Sorry Jodi, we’re not buying your horse sh*t here!

  142. 04/25/2013 at 1:06 pm

    Here she comes with questions that go NOWHERE!!!!

  143. 04/25/2013 at 1:06 pm

    perky ummm ummm ummmm

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:09 pm

      “perky”

      Hmmm, this must mean Gidget. Sorry, but I’m going to have to turn the volume down. I’ve had it with Willnot!

      BTW, Good morning to you Syn! 🙂

      • 04/25/2013 at 1:14 pm

        HI Mark 🙂

        yes wilma, perky, Gidget , airhead , walking idiot.. all will do

  144. 04/25/2013 at 1:08 pm

    perky where’s your ME???? oh couldn’t get one to lie for you? what a shame!

  145. Elexa
    04/25/2013 at 1:09 pm

    She’s been hiding her face until she could summon up the tears and now that she’s found them, she’s showing her face.

  146. Marilyn N
    04/25/2013 at 1:09 pm

    Oh – there’s her scumbag face. See jury – I am REALLY crying!!!

  147. Family of Law
    04/25/2013 at 1:09 pm

    Perky! You idiot! If the bullet went into his signal cavity and mouth- how did Travis say “fucking kill you bitch?” Really?

    • Family of Law
      04/25/2013 at 1:11 pm

      Sinal

  148. Moon
    04/25/2013 at 1:09 pm

    well does it really matter which was first? regardless, it was overkill and the only one with defence wounds was Travis.

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:12 pm

      Exactly!

  149. Elexa
    04/25/2013 at 1:10 pm

    I’ll never believe that she’s not rubbing onions in her eyes.

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:14 pm

      I said the same the other day! LOL! I’ll bet Gidget brings her in a few slices of yellow onion for days when a few tears are needed. JA is a liar! Anybody buying these tears lacks judgment!

  150. 04/25/2013 at 1:11 pm

    What diff does it make if the bullet wound was immediately incapacitating or NOT!!!!!! The poor guy got SHOT IN THE FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:17 pm

      the difference is .. her story cannot be true if the bullet incapacitated him in seconds that’ invalidates her story

      • 04/25/2013 at 1:19 pm

        I know…..I just can’t believe the JW has the gall to even debate the issue!

  151. katz63md
    04/25/2013 at 1:12 pm

    Why does she even try? Her whine is driving me nuts!!

  152. 04/25/2013 at 1:13 pm

    Perky is now an expert in physiology of the brain. Nice one!

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:16 pm

      This saves Gidget and Wurmie from having to pay out Expert Witness costs. 😉

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/25/2013 at 1:19 pm

      LOL! came in late; you beat me to it 🙂

  153. 04/25/2013 at 1:15 pm

    Oh my. Wilmott’s voice is particularly annoying today. On a good day, her voice has a peculiar “Minnie Mouse on helium” quality that grates on my very last nerve, but today she’s taking it to a new level.. Perhaps she’s attracted to Medical Examiner McDreamy? ;)) And pssssst, Jodi…those fucking crocodile tears you are attempting to shed aren’t fooling anybody…

    • truejustice
      04/25/2013 at 1:38 pm

      McDreamy … lol.

  154. Family of Law
    04/25/2013 at 1:16 pm

    JA has added a shoulder movement into her tears, nice touch!

    • Elexa
      04/25/2013 at 1:17 pm

      She still can’t get her nose or eyes red, you know, like what happens when you’re REALLY crying!!!

      • Jill
        04/25/2013 at 1:32 pm

        Exactly

    • Moon
      04/25/2013 at 1:28 pm

      well doncha know it’s the chiuaua effect!!

  155. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/25/2013 at 1:16 pm

    for thoe who missed Willnot palying psychologist, now you have her playing doctor for your memories!

    • Elexa
      04/25/2013 at 1:19 pm

      She was “testifying” to something else last week too but I can’t remember what it was.

  156. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/25/2013 at 1:18 pm

    ahhh poor wobo crying ahhhh

  157. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 1:18 pm

    All that fake crying but yet no red or puffy eyes 😉 She does have getting the nose red down pat!!!!!!!!

  158. 04/25/2013 at 1:18 pm

    Wow-zer!! That was a fiery start to the day!!!! Keep ’em coming Juan baby!!!

  159. Schaeffer
    04/25/2013 at 1:18 pm

    Good grief — JW should have watched at least ONE episode of those crime-drama shows WOBO is so fond of so she would have a basic understanding of identifying a bullet track through the skull and the brain.

  160. HJ Madison
    04/25/2013 at 1:18 pm

    And now she turns to her craft project! Phew…. got out plenty of good fake tears, kleenex and all! Coloring time!!!!

  161. Moon
    04/25/2013 at 1:19 pm

    omg i just can’t STAND that sick biotch. the tears only mean she KNOWS the needle is on the way….. those fn tears sure aren’t for Travis.

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:25 pm

      I dont see any tears just her trying to screw up her face and manufacture some

  162. Marilyn N
    04/25/2013 at 1:20 pm

    No No No – that’s not the way it happened!!!

  163. truejustice
    04/25/2013 at 1:20 pm

    so sad .. his heart was still beating when she slashed his throat. I didn’t hear that before . 😦

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:29 pm

      yep she is a monster

  164. Elexa
    04/25/2013 at 1:21 pm

    Awwww, tears all gone. No more crying for jodi.

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:24 pm

      Elexa…..don’t you know how hard it is to conjure up tears on the fly when you are a sociopath! And don’t you know that an onion won’t keep for that long….there’s only so many tears a onion can produce!

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:25 pm

      Johnson & Johnson should use Jodi for there Baby Shampoo commercials.

      • Elexa
        04/25/2013 at 1:34 pm

        OUCH! lol

  165. Marilyn N
    04/25/2013 at 1:22 pm

    Arms crossed!!

  166. Marilyn N
    04/25/2013 at 1:23 pm

    What??? Not able to sit up with your neck slashed???

  167. Darcy
    04/25/2013 at 1:23 pm

    What difference does this make? Wilmott is an idiot. Sometimes you just need to shut up.

    • Elexa
      04/25/2013 at 1:25 pm

      I think the height of idiocy was wormy asking about how “jodi didn’t get the gun from that shelf, did she?”

      What the hell was that all about ?

  168. katz63md
    04/25/2013 at 1:24 pm

    ok, so where was whiny going with the last part of where his throat was slashed? IMO, i think that worked more for the pros then def.

    • HJ Madison
      04/25/2013 at 1:26 pm

      Could not agree more!

  169. HJ Madison
    04/25/2013 at 1:24 pm

    I can not believe Worm could ask that about holding his head up …. unreal!

    • Family of Law
      04/25/2013 at 1:26 pm

      Perky is as callous as Wurmi. No shame in how they effect the victim’s family.

      • HJ Madison
        04/25/2013 at 1:30 pm

        Or the jury! I attended a trial once in Federal Court where the evidence was so gruesome that after the verdict the judge gave the jury instructions on how to contact his office if they felt they needed to spend some time with a counselor — at the Feds expense.

  170. Darcy
    04/25/2013 at 1:24 pm

    Jury gone. Magically, so are her fake tears. What a performance.

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:29 pm

      Geez! I sure hope she maintains that stage presence when they are sticking that needle in her arm!

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:31 pm

      I shall cheer….’Bravo, Bravo Mr. Executioner! Such magnificent flair with that needle! The way you puncture her vein, and immediately stopped her cold, beating heart, was simply splendid!” “Encore, encore!!”

  171. JesusFreak
    04/25/2013 at 1:25 pm

    i had to go chase patti’s chicken. why did they dismiss jury and are going to chambers? HELP! and ty.

    • NancyB
      04/25/2013 at 1:29 pm

      JF – Hope the chicken’s A OK. Dr Horn’s tesimony completed. Judge asked jury to leave for a short time & asked to see the lawyers in Chambers.

  172. NancyB
    04/25/2013 at 1:25 pm

    Wow -immediate recovery from IT

    • Elexa
      04/25/2013 at 1:26 pm

      It was the jury that was making her cry. Bad jury gone now.

  173. Schaeffer
    04/25/2013 at 1:25 pm

    The only question that matters is: “Is there any way in hell that Travis could have been murdered the way WOBO said?” Answer: “No way in hell.”

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/25/2013 at 1:28 pm

      thats what I was hoping was underscored.

  174. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 1:25 pm

    Chris Williams@chriswnews
    State of Arizona rests its case against #JodiArias with end of testimony of Dr Kevin Horn, Medical Examiner.

  175. truejustice
    04/25/2013 at 1:26 pm

    WOW WOW WOW – it only took ja one full second to stop crying and look irritated. I don’t know why but her behavior never ceases to shock me .

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:28 pm

      you still don’t expect it?

      • truejustice
        04/25/2013 at 1:36 pm

        I expect it and at the same time , don’t expect it.
        Maybe it’s one of those things I just can’t bring myself to believe cause it is so abnormal ?

      • 04/25/2013 at 1:38 pm

        denial?

      • truejustice
        04/25/2013 at 1:57 pm

        in capital letters

    • Family of Law
      04/25/2013 at 1:28 pm

      She is SO transparent!

  176. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/25/2013 at 1:27 pm

    I ggez I was late getting here and only caught Willnot. I guess Juan was short and sweet. I’ll catch later on the Tube. Why was doc called to chambers? Anyone know?

  177. 04/25/2013 at 1:27 pm

    Oh no! Plz tell me this isn’t the ‘short time’ the judge was referring too?

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 1:28 pm

      I think that’s all she wrote folks ’til next week! jmo

      • HJ Madison
        04/25/2013 at 1:34 pm

        Well …. we might get into the “charge conference” today … maybe … just hoping …. to decide if manslaughter should be permitted. I think they will do that is open court.

  178. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 1:28 pm

    During closing as JM is showing the pre-autopsy photos

    Since she commits this act
    You MUST convict!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  179. LindaLou
    04/25/2013 at 1:29 pm

    Did I hear Juan say, the state rests?

    • Family of Law
      04/25/2013 at 1:30 pm

      Yes- the State rested.

      • LindaLou
        04/25/2013 at 1:38 pm

        Thx FoL. It was so quiet like. I guess I expected those words to stand out a little bit more than they did. Watching too many crime dramas. Thx again.

    • Elexa
      04/25/2013 at 1:31 pm

      I did not.

    • Elexa
      04/25/2013 at 1:32 pm

      OMG, he did say the state rests.

      All done.

  180. 04/25/2013 at 1:30 pm

    Sooooo upward slant to the knife wound = HOho
    Not being able to hold his head up after cut to the throat = Hoho drug him back to the shower
    aaaaaaaaannnnnnd what?

  181. Elexa
    04/25/2013 at 1:30 pm

    “I don’t have anything else, thank you” equals “State of Arizona rests its case”???????

    I thought he meant he had nothing else for this witness?

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:32 pm

      Mr. Juan said “the State rests”

  182. NancyB
    04/25/2013 at 1:32 pm

    I was so hoping that either Juan or a juror would ask Dr Horn if shot first would Travis been able to holler out to Jodi “Fucken’ kill you bitch!”

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:35 pm

      I thought Mr. Juan did ask the dr. if Travis could formulate words after the gun shot.? And Dr. said no. Maybe I heard wrong. It was so short I can listen again.

    • Family of Law
      04/25/2013 at 1:36 pm

      That’s why I was stunned when Perky emphasized that the bullet passed through the sinal cavity and soft pallet above the mouth! How could Travis have screamed , “Fuckin kill you bitch!”

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:36 pm

      thats answered cos he said he wouldn’t have been able to think.. you have to be able to process to speak.. so to me wasn’t necessary to ask that incapacitated in 2 seconds says it all

    • HJ Madison
      04/25/2013 at 1:38 pm

      I thought that was after she fumbled the camera like a stupid 5 year old … then the bodyslam …. then she is up and running and he is following yelling “fuckin’ kill you bitch” …. then the closet and the gun ….. whatever…. it is all a lie anyway! Why I wasted my fingers typing that??

  183. JesusFreak
    04/25/2013 at 1:33 pm

    upward slant to knife wound. all i see is ja leaning in and kissing him, one last time, as she drives the blade home in his chest. that is the only way i see him so totally off guard that she could subdue him!

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 1:40 pm

      That’s how it was done on The Following a week ago 😉

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:40 pm

      he was seated in the shower at no other time did she have his chest there to do that wound

  184. Family of Law
    04/25/2013 at 1:33 pm

    Me thinks Juan and Dr. Horn hit things home to the jury- Ba-Bye Hodi Ho!

  185. Moon
    04/25/2013 at 1:33 pm

    loved the juror ? re wouldn’t there have been blood all over the b/r floor since the ho said that’s where she shot him.

    the one ? that the doc wasn’t sure of… i thought the juror meant, what did doc think happened first…..

    it was clear that at least one of the ?s whinywillnot asked after jury ?s came straight from the ho

  186. Elexa
    04/25/2013 at 1:36 pm

    On the plus side, now I can finish painting my kitchen.

    • HJ Madison
      04/25/2013 at 1:42 pm

      How nice … what color?

  187. Jill
    04/25/2013 at 1:37 pm

    Do any of the jury questions show someone on Jodi’s side? I thought one question might have. But hope I’m wrong…

  188. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 1:38 pm

    This was a couple of minutes ago:

    Michael Kiefer@michaelbkiefer
    A Sheriff’s Deputy just led a black police dog and its handler back to the jury room.

    Chris Williams@chriswnews
    That’s a first at the #JodiArias trial I’ve seen. MCSO security dog walked through courtroom then out the door #Arias jury goes through

    • HJ Madison
      04/25/2013 at 1:41 pm

      OMG … I suppose now she is going to orchestrate a bomb threat!

    • 04/25/2013 at 1:41 pm

      OMG!!! This could be bad…I hope not tho :/

    • Family of Law
      04/25/2013 at 1:42 pm

      What? Is that why Perky is smiling and whispering to her BFF?

      • 04/25/2013 at 1:48 pm

        yep that is exactly what she was smiling about.

  189. Jill
    04/25/2013 at 1:40 pm

    Wonder what that’s all about?

  190. 04/25/2013 at 1:42 pm

    Good morning all. Why in the world is Wilnot smiling – there is nothing to smile. She’s demented.

  191. katz63md
    04/25/2013 at 1:43 pm

    WTH!!!!

  192. Nienna
    04/25/2013 at 1:43 pm

    Which one is juror 8??!!!

  193. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/25/2013 at 1:43 pm

    Wow….they excused another juror!!

  194. Family of Law
    04/25/2013 at 1:43 pm

    Juror 8! Wtf????

  195. HJ Madison
    04/25/2013 at 1:43 pm

    That little bitch got another one tossed!

  196. Marilyn N
    04/25/2013 at 1:43 pm

    So let’s see, we only need to get rid of 3 more jurors and oops, Mistrial!!!

  197. 04/25/2013 at 1:44 pm

    arghhh! now I see why the smile. Evil, evil.

  198. truejustice
    04/25/2013 at 1:44 pm

    NO WAY THat b&^#H got another dismissed . Up above there was something about ja mouthing 7 – must have been 8 instead

  199. Moon
    04/25/2013 at 1:44 pm

    wow no fn way…. no wondery whinywillnot had such a smile on her face.
    that judge better not have any other jurors removed. what crap

  200. LindaLou
    04/25/2013 at 1:44 pm

    Another juror dismissed!!!!

  201. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/25/2013 at 1:44 pm

    the mobsters got rid of another juror!! Cripes.

  202. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 1:44 pm

    Wild About Trial 2 @WildaboutTrial2
    The defense will be calling a new psychologist next Wednesday

  203. Jill
    04/25/2013 at 1:45 pm

    I’m speechless. No way

  204. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/25/2013 at 1:46 pm

    I blame the Judge.

  205. Jill
    04/25/2013 at 1:46 pm

    How can this be? Every time jodi doesn’t like a juror, they get the boot?

  206. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 1:46 pm

    I can’t believe that they managed to get another juror bounced!!!!! Here is the link to Chrissie’s layout of jurors

  207. Marilyn N
    04/25/2013 at 1:46 pm

    Was there seriously a dog??

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 1:49 pm

      yep there was

      Wild About Trial 2 @WildaboutTrial2
      A bomb sniffing dog and deputy was just ran through the courtroom. Apparent threats to the defense team. #JodiArias

  208. 04/25/2013 at 1:46 pm

    who was juror 8?

  209. Nancy Pennington
    04/25/2013 at 1:46 pm

    HELP ANYONE!!!!! Who is juror #8??????? I should have written down the descriptions earlier..Stupid me!!!

    • NancyB
      04/25/2013 at 1:50 pm

      8.The CEO-Good looking man, mid 50′s with goatee. Can see him being the jury foreman.

  210. HJ Madison
    04/25/2013 at 1:47 pm

    Well … now what gang?

  211. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 1:47 pm

    Damn it was the CEO and everyone thought he would be the foreman 😦

    • Jill
      04/25/2013 at 1:49 pm

      This is really insane. Is this normal activity for ,jurors to be removed at the end of trial?

  212. JesusFreak
    04/25/2013 at 1:48 pm

    MMD :
    Wild About Trial 2 @WildaboutTrial2
    The defense will be calling a new psychologist next Wednesday

    What? i thought closing arguments next wednesday.

    • Family of Law
      04/25/2013 at 1:50 pm

      It’s the “brief” surrebuttal.

    • HJ Madison
      04/25/2013 at 1:51 pm

      No .. the judge told the jury next Wednesday, all day, until they are finished and because of a witness schedule problem. Thursday and Friday are instructions and closings.

      • Family of Law
        04/25/2013 at 1:55 pm

        Donchais clarified upstairs- currently at post #304

  213. 04/25/2013 at 1:48 pm

    nooo nooo no CEO NOOOOOO

  214. Nienna
    04/25/2013 at 1:48 pm

    Wild About Trial 2@WildaboutTrial2
    Juror 8 might have been the Cup Toucher based on what I remember of the juror layout.

    CEO, right?

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 1:49 pm

      Yup!

  215. HJ Madison
    04/25/2013 at 1:49 pm

    It is possible that he had to just pull the plug himself…..

  216. 04/25/2013 at 1:49 pm

    NO NO NO Chrissie and my favourite the one we wanted as the foreman!!! NOOOOOOOOOOO

    • Jill
      04/25/2013 at 1:50 pm

      She is disgusting!

  217. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/25/2013 at 1:49 pm

    No wonder Willanurmi was smiling when the jury came in. What a frickin’ pig!!

  218. NancyB
    04/25/2013 at 1:49 pm

    8.The CEO-Good looking man, mid 50′s with goatee. Can see him being the jury foreman.

  219. 04/25/2013 at 1:50 pm

    omg I am SPEWING!!!!!!!!

    • Jill
      04/25/2013 at 1:51 pm

      Me too! Poor Alexander family!

  220. Nancy Pennington
    04/25/2013 at 1:51 pm

    Ignore my question CEO got it. I hope we find out why at some point..Maybe at his request. I certainly hope that the slimey DT and their pathetic excuse for a human did not conjure up an excuse to have him dismissed.

  221. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 1:51 pm

    As I posted above, Chrissie’s layout of the jurors

  222. NancyB
    04/25/2013 at 1:52 pm

    According to HLN’s descriptions: 8.The CEO-Good looking man, mid 50′s with goatee. Can see him being the jury foreman.

    The one I posted above was from KatieCoolady

  223. Family of Law
    04/25/2013 at 1:53 pm

    The CEO was a shoe in for being the foreman- this is a major upset! Why was the dog necessary? OMG, I’m actually feeling waves of nausea! This is horrific! What did JA and her evil posse spy?

    • Jill
      04/25/2013 at 1:59 pm

      I know what u mean. I actually feel sick….probably how the Alexander family feels all the time huh?

  224. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 1:53 pm

    OT

    Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has indicated to investigators that he intended to detonate explosives in New York, sources tell CNN. (Times Square)

    The world is getting scarier and scarier ;-(

    • Jill
      04/25/2013 at 1:56 pm

      Yes…I wish for peace all the time but there are too many crazies in this world.

  225. NancyB
    04/25/2013 at 1:53 pm

    Here is HLN’s Juror No. 8
    He is a white male in his 50s and is married. He also takes notes and has been observed submitting questions.

  226. HJ Madison
    04/25/2013 at 1:53 pm

    I mean think about it …. They don’t get the case until Friday, May 3 …. and that is assuming all goes as planned. Then they deliberate …. and if guilty …. then this “aggrevation phase”, followed by a penalty phase …. maybe he just could not sit another month! Wishful thinking, I know!

  227. JesusFreak
    04/25/2013 at 1:55 pm

    maybe #4 grandpa will be foreman and get ja fried. i love fried for her. think of her swirling around in hot grease.

  228. Moon
    04/25/2013 at 1:55 pm

    *******************stunned************

  229. 04/25/2013 at 1:55 pm

    chrissie and I were talking about how we needed him on the last 12 … how important he was no no no NOOO omg this seriously SUX!!!!!! 😈

  230. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 1:56 pm

    I don’t remember this many jurors being bumped during the OJ trial and it went something like 8 or 9 months and they were sequestered!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s DT is soooooooooooo slimy!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Jill
      04/25/2013 at 1:57 pm

      And to think that jodi gets such satisfaction from this makes me ill

  231. donchais
  232. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 1:58 pm

    According to Chris WIlliams juror 8 took a ton of notes 😦 Of course he had to go, they only want people who can’t remember exactly what happened!!!!!!!

  233. 04/25/2013 at 1:58 pm

    I think I missed it – What was the deal with the dog?

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