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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – Day Fifty-Four

04/25/2013

Juan moved witnesses in and out yesterday at a rapid pace.  Maybe Nurmi and Willmott learned something?

We should end early today with the last of the prosecution witnesses and on Monday see Willmott/Nurmi mini sur-rebuttal

Looks like we’re beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel!

Court begins at 9:49 with…you got it…sidebar…

Jury in at 9:54.

Dr. Kevin Horn on the stand.

Conducted autopsy on Travis Alexander.  Determined gunshot wound.  Martinez shows him picture of the wound.

Very rapidly incapacitating.  Went through the frontal lobe.

He may have been able to take a step or two and would have collapsed after a step or 2.

Could he have been able to hold on to somebody?  No

Shock wave of brain and velocity cause neurological shock, incapacitation, unconsciousness.

Would Mr. Alexander have the capacity to grab anything coming toward him?  No.

If the shot had happened first, would Mr. Alexander have been able to reach out and grab the knife.

If the gunshot happened first, Mr. Alexander wouldn’t have been able to move purposefully.

The girls are sobbing.

If the gunshot wound was first, we wouldn’t see defensive wounds.

Juan done.

Willmott up.

You’ve done over 6000 autopsies?  Yes.

Many gunshots?  Yes.

.25 caliber isn’t a powerful weapon and there was no exit wound?  Right.

The shot would have been immediately incapacitating.

The bullet went into the sinus cavity?  Yes.

You would expect to see blood in the mouth and nose?  Yes.

Willmott is trying to put words in Dr. Horn’s mouth.

Screen shot 2013-04-25 at 1.08.59 PMJodi is fake crying…

You told the jury the shot wouldn’t have been incapacitating?  I corrected that in the next line of testimony.

You told the jury the brain was liquefied.  I don’t remember using that word.  Decomposition made it like pudding.

You don’t know the track of the bullet?  I do, it’s simple geometry.

Juan up…

The gunshot to the head would have led to lack of purposeful actions.

Juror questions…

Jodi stated she shot Travis in the bathroom.  Would you expect to see blood on the floor of the bathroom?  Yes.

Could your opinion be wrong?  No.

Can you explain why you think Travis was alive when his throat was cut?  Because of the amount of bleeding and blood in the tissue of the throat.

The State rests!!!

Well done Mr. Martinez!!!

Jury sent out for a few minutes…Nurmi asks to approach…

Judge summons them to chambers.

Jury back at 11:42.

Juror #8 has been excused.

Court will resume Wednesday, May 1 at 9am.

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  1. 04/25/2013 at 2:02 pm

    Too coincidental.. another juror dismissed immediately after jury questions.. coincidence???? I think not

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 2:03 pm

      well Syn I think they lost big time yesterday so this was payback by the DT imho 👿

    • Gracerv7
      04/25/2013 at 2:49 pm

      Awwww what’s wrong jodi? Had to take out another man that wasn’t taken with your looks??? Man how I loathe her!! Haven’t seen the mornings proceedings yet so I missed the condescending smile.

    • 04/25/2013 at 10:24 pm

      And did you see how excited Wilnot was to hear that the Notetaker was out? Perhaps someone read those notes and there was something revealing… like “I’ve already decided she’s guilty as hell…”???

  2. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 2:02 pm

    Well once again thank you for allowing us to learn at the School of Donchais and now we can play until next Wednesday!!!!! {{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}} that’s for keeping the sandbox and playground so safe!!!

    Well bloody hell, juror 8 is gone and he took a ton of notes!!!!! Gotta make sure that they only have ones deliberating who have lousy memories. 👿

    Well, hopefully we will get Justice for Travis very, very soon and for the Alexander family. The timing will also work out well for you donchais with the other trial that is so near and dear to your heart!!!!! The Trial Gods are looking out for you 🙂

  3. Nienna
    04/25/2013 at 2:03 pm

    Wild About Trial 2@WildaboutTrial2
    Juror 8 could be Marlboro man. Trying to find out for you guys now.

    • 04/25/2013 at 2:05 pm

      on the list Chrissie gave me CEO is 8

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 2:10 pm

      and she has the picture of Tom Selleck – he and Marlboro Man could be the same.

  4. Jane
    04/25/2013 at 2:06 pm

    Every time skanky pants wears green she has a freaking bad, bawling meltdown day. I am hoping she wears that ugly green blouse or sweater on judgment day.

  5. Jane
    04/25/2013 at 2:09 pm

    Does anyone here think perhaps these jurors are dropping out because they don’t want to be responsible for the ultimate demise of Jodi?

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 2:12 pm

      No, because they are a death penalty qualified jury, If they couldn’t hand down the DP they would have been eliminated during jury selection.

    • HJ Madison
      04/25/2013 at 2:12 pm

      Nope … they were “death qualified” during jury selection. Meaning they said they could impose the death penalty.

  6. commerce1
    04/25/2013 at 2:09 pm

    That bitch’s fake tears today made me want to throw up. If anything she’s feeling sorry for herself because her field trips to court will soon be over, as will her time basking in the spotlight of a televised trial – and all she will have left is life on death row where she can’t even be someone’s prison bitch because she will be in solitary 23 of 24 hours a day.

    She’s been exposed for the murderous, lying, sociopathic, narcissistic, borderline bitch that she is. Her delusions of fooling everyone and walking out of jail a free woman to sell her art, write a tell all book, move to Europe, and breed (shudder) with her sperm donation and lesbian lover are all fading away. It’s needle time bitch!

  7. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 2:09 pm

    Donchais – I thought it was 6,000 autopsies????

    • Jill
      04/25/2013 at 2:20 pm

      Yes, me too

    • Moon
      04/25/2013 at 2:23 pm

      i heard him say over 6000… and between 100 to 200 of those involved a 25 cal

    • donchais
      04/25/2013 at 2:34 pm

      Typo, corrected

      • Moon
        04/25/2013 at 2:46 pm

        you are so on top of things! God Bless You! Thanks for all you do … ((((hugs))))

  8. 04/25/2013 at 2:10 pm

    I didn’t get the reference to the dog – what was that about?

    • 04/25/2013 at 2:13 pm

      Bomb sniffing dog thru court. Post above state defense received death threats.

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 2:14 pm

      bomb sniffing dog – apparently there have been death threats to the defence team.

      Maricopa County Sheriff’s deputies tell ABC15 accused murderer Jodi Arias’ defense attorney Jennifer Willmott has received death threats.

      Sergeant Brandon Jones confirmed an investigation into two matters surrounding Willmott including an out of state call threatening her life if she continues to defend Arias.

      MCSO was not able to provide the transcripts, but confirmed a second caller threatened to kill Willmott if she succeeds in helping Arias escape the death penalty.

      Willmott is one of two attorneys representing Arias. The other is Kirk Nurmi.

      Jones said the County Attorney’s Office conducted the original investigation into the death threats.

      From WPTV.com

      • katz63md
        04/25/2013 at 2:47 pm

        The first caller was probably tired of listening to her whine!

      • MMD
        04/25/2013 at 3:25 pm

        ROFL

      • TexiBelle
        04/25/2013 at 4:20 pm

        Has anyone checked JA’s record of outgoing calls? I think she feels abused by her attorneys’ lolz-inducing defense.

    • Family of Law
      04/25/2013 at 2:16 pm

      Hi bright girl- I’m still not clear about the dog? A dog and his handler were brought through the juror room. I don’t know if it was related to reason juror 8 was excused, or if it was in regards to a supposed bomb threat. Still reading and searching.

      • 04/25/2013 at 2:23 pm

        Thanks all for the response. This is the first time I’m really sick and in tears.

      • 04/25/2013 at 3:15 pm

        Beth Kara’s just reported she received a call from information officer at MCSO asking her to relay info that the dogs are. run through courthouse daily. Today they were running late and it was not a result of a threat. Hmmm.

  9. Francine
    04/25/2013 at 2:11 pm

    The judge never gave a reason and we might never know unless the person that was exuced talks about it. It might have something due to work conflict or what have you. Of course the Def is just happy to see another one off the panal

    • WhereIsSHE
      04/25/2013 at 2:49 pm

      The judge is required to put the reason(s) for excusing a juror on the record. Accordingly, the reason(s) for excusing this juror will have been recorded by the court reporter on the official transcript.

      • Moon
        04/25/2013 at 3:06 pm

        ty wis! this transcipt will not be avail until after the trial, right?

      • WhereIsSHE
        04/25/2013 at 4:35 pm

        Right.

  10. Marilyn N
    04/25/2013 at 2:12 pm

    I don’t think it’s fair if they can tell who submits the jury questions!

    And it’s just pathetic and telling if this is all the defense has left
    to go on – getting rid of jurors.

    • 04/26/2013 at 3:08 pm

      The Defense can’t just “get rid of” jurors. It’s the Judge that decides, and it’s not based on the Defense just wanting a juror removed. It has to be based on something a juror has done wrong, or based on a juror’s own stated inability to continue to serve.

  11. Family of Law
    04/25/2013 at 2:12 pm

    I am now giving thought to me previously saying that I wish Illinois allowed juror questions! Throughout this trial, I’ve been encouraged by this jurors Q’s- But there is a MAJOR problem with, “the juror questions will now be read in the order they have been submitted”. JA, Donno, and the MS have been paying VERY close attention to the jury- Tuesday “Jinkasaurus” was shooting her mouth off again, about the “polished, attractive, middle aged, woman juror looking disgusted by Wurmi’s cross of Deanna- So, now what? She’s next on the hit list? I can barely type I’m SO PISSED!

    • NancyB
      04/25/2013 at 2:14 pm

      So totally in agreement!

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 2:16 pm

      ITA 👿

    • 04/26/2013 at 3:10 pm

      Again, the Defense can’t kick jurors off the jury.

  12. NancyB
    04/25/2013 at 2:13 pm

    Donchais – I thought sur-rebuttal wasn’t until 9AM Wed? No?

  13. JesusFreak
    04/25/2013 at 2:13 pm

    she will be back on 48 hours to unveil her pregnancy story, i am sure.

    • Gracerv7
      04/25/2013 at 2:57 pm

      Is there any validity to pregnancy story? All I heard was she said something to inquirer mag but not sure if she actually did. I’ve never had a miscarriage but friends of mine have and I’m pretty sure it requires a hospital visit no? I believe you still need a D and C afterwards so there would be records. Does any one know more than me on this subject?

      • Moon
        04/25/2013 at 3:01 pm

        lol grace! riiiiiiiiiiiight she was pregnant!
        there is NOTHING valid about that evil bitch, other than she’s pure evil.

      • Gracerv7
        04/25/2013 at 3:57 pm

        I probably should of been more clear on question. I don’t believe she was pregnant for a second, however I am wondering if she actually made the claim or if enquirer just made up the story which wouldn’t surprise me.

      • Moon
        04/25/2013 at 4:15 pm

        the ne guy said he got all of this from his “very reliable source”……

      • 04/25/2013 at 4:44 pm

        I had a miscarriage at about 7 to 8 weeks and did not require a D&C. I had to go in every few days and get blood drawn to make sure that my HCG levels were lowering. If they didn’t lower on their own, then a D&C would have been required. I was told that the body (if working properly) is designed to deal with it on its own and many women have miscarriages without even knowing it because the body will usually handle it without medical treatment. Some women just assume they had a late period. I knew I was pregnant because my Aunt always visited on time. 😉 I’m not sure how it works when a person is farther along in the pregnancy though.

      • kristin
        04/25/2013 at 8:42 pm

        Mysillybone- I find your name humerus lol

  14. Marilyn N
    04/25/2013 at 2:13 pm

    Anyone feeling a bit depressed and going into withdrawal mode?
    Back to some sort of life now!!!

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 2:16 pm

      Yup 😥

      • MMD
        04/25/2013 at 2:17 pm

        at least my emoticon has better tears than JA can produce! 😆

    • Kristy
      04/25/2013 at 8:39 pm

      Nope, I am glad this is ending and finally TAs family can start getting back to life.

  15. Moon
    04/25/2013 at 2:14 pm

    what a sick sick feeling….

    what kind of purpose or proof does the duhfense team need to get a juror dismissed? why is this judge so obliging to the fn duhteam??? i am sick to death of hearing how she is cuz this is a DP case! BFD

    wonder what Juan said back in chambers…. I am sure hoping he feels confident with the remaining jurors.

    so his notes will be destroyed? the other jurors can’t see them at deliberation time?

    ughhhh

    • NancyB
      04/25/2013 at 2:18 pm

      Moon – His notes are destroyed since he is not there to use them.

    • 04/26/2013 at 3:14 pm

      It’s not based on what the defense team wants at all. Juror 8 could have been dismissed for a myriad of personal reasons. It happens all the time, which is the whole reason for alternates to begin with.

  16. Schaeffer
    04/25/2013 at 2:16 pm

    grazie, donchais. I hope the slight delay in this trial will give you a chance to relax, breathe, and clear your head and heart for a bit.

  17. 04/25/2013 at 2:16 pm

    @stark3923: Juror #8 i am told was excused for work reasons/conflict dates – he was told case would end April 11 not May 15. #jodiarias

    • Moon
      04/25/2013 at 2:21 pm

      thanks for that info… somehow that hasn’t lifted the sick feeling……
      i am still stunned

      • 04/25/2013 at 2:23 pm

        ya dunno what that is based on chris stark usually has good info… but somehow thought CEO was invested in this trial so guess gotta wait and see if anything more comes out

    • HJ Madison
      04/25/2013 at 2:23 pm

      Thanks for posting that Syntara …. there is probably another month left here, with this “aggravetor phase” and then the penalty phase …

      • WhereIsSHE
        04/25/2013 at 2:56 pm

        This is the “guilt phase”. (The jury decides “guilty” or “not guilty”).

        There is no “aggravator phase”.

        The aggravating factor(s) is(are) what the state will present during the “penalty phase” (and the defense will present “mitigating factors” during the “penalty phase”).
        During the “penalty phase”, the jury decides if she deserves the death penalty.

      • WhereIsSHE
        04/25/2013 at 5:50 pm

        Actually-
        Sorry. I take that back, because I took some time to research it, and it appears that Arizona is slightly different.

        This is the “guilt” phase.
        If they convict on 1st deg murder, there WILL be an “aggravator” phase–the jury will determine whether or not the aggravating factor proof has been met.

        THEN,if they do find it has been met, there will be the “penalty” phase.

        I have never seen it done that way before, but that is what the rules seem to indicate.

        Very odd to split it up that way.

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 2:23 pm

      well damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🙄 I SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO wanted to blame it on the DT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • truejustice
        04/25/2013 at 2:32 pm

        blame it on them anyway … if they wouldn’t have had their witnesses up for weeks on end , it would have been done some time ago .

      • MMD
        04/25/2013 at 3:29 pm

        Excellent point truejustice!!!! TY, I will blame the DT now 👿

      • Chrissie A
        04/25/2013 at 6:05 pm

        LOL! Hi honey! I

  18. NancyB
    04/25/2013 at 2:17 pm

    I’m currently reading Wendy Murphy’s book that she published last yr. It’s now released in paperback with a lot of new material. All of you should read this book! Get it out of your library or buy it! It’s an important book, in my opinion. “And Justice For Some”

    • Family of Law
      04/25/2013 at 2:25 pm

      Thanks Nancy! I will look on Amazon now and get it on it’s way! I’m so disheartened right now:( I’m heading down to the barn now, and seek solace… I need fresh air and my babies! (thankfully my hubby is on business in Singapore, if he witnessed my obvious angst right now- he’d move me to the barn indefinitely!) Ugh! What a let down after such a powerful close from Juan!

      • Moon
        04/25/2013 at 2:30 pm

        the e-eversion is avail on wendy’s website… unless amazon now has a kindle version… it did not have it the night that wendy was on the radio talk show.

      • MMD
        04/25/2013 at 2:31 pm

        Give Beautiful Boy or Mama’s Boy – as I think of him, a nose rub and a treat from me please 🙂

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 2:29 pm

      I ordered it on April 16th from Amazon.ca and this is what I received:

      DELIVERY ESTIMATE Friday May 3 2013 – Friday May 24 2013

      and if ya order it now:

      Usually ships within 2 to 5 weeks.

      • NancyB
        04/25/2013 at 3:55 pm

        Mi MMD! So glad you feel better today. You will “get” this book and then some. I believe that it is a groundbreaking work in many respects. No other licensed attorney has blown away the PC bullshit and spoke truth about the current state of our system as it currently functions, “justice”, and how the criminals have all the legal rights of protection (they should, to a degree) and that the VICTIMS & families of victims have NONE. I’m half way through the book that came 3 days ago and she discusses many things that all of us ADVOCATES need to cognizant of. I really appreciate the truth for once without all the sanitized BS.

    • 04/25/2013 at 10:28 pm

      I read it as well… it points up the inequities of being a poor defendant or a rich one… or one with strings to pull…. not very ‘just’.

  19. 04/25/2013 at 2:19 pm

    I seriously feel ill – like ton of bricks. I’m no one so can you IMAGINE how the Alexander family feels? Excruciating.

  20. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 2:21 pm

    Chris Williams@chriswnews

    #JodiArias trial security dog update: Court security claims it was routine. No threat. Dog typically goes through in AM before trial

    • Marilyn N
      04/25/2013 at 2:29 pm

      Sounds good. Don’t need any more bombs going off!!

  21. 04/25/2013 at 2:21 pm

    Juror #8 was a note taker like juror #5.. Now those notes can’t be used during deliberations.. They showed different crime scene photos in court.. Grandma can see what her little darling did to another human being. It must be hard to think that your grandchild did that..and she lived in the same house as her.. Jodi is and always was a loser.. She was never employed or had a business as a photographer. She just took alot of pictures as we all do ..I must have 1,000 pictures in the pc. And her art is nothing to speak of..Why would people pay $$ for such crap?

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 2:25 pm

      because the world is made up of all kinds of paying loons (no offense to the bird). I do feel sorry for the gramma though.

    • Marilyn N
      04/25/2013 at 2:30 pm

      People are NUTS!!!! (just like JA)

  22. Moon
    04/25/2013 at 2:27 pm

    so what possible reason does the duhfense think they need for someone to come in and say the ho doesn’t have BPD… what’s the POINT?? doesn’t matter what kind of “head problem” she has…….murder is murder.

    this guy can’t possibly convince the jury that she was a battered woman, or suffered from DA. I can’t wait for Juan to rip this fraud a new asshole.

    • 04/25/2013 at 2:42 pm

      what I dont get is defense cant turn around in this trial and say ooopsies it’s not PTSD so this new one surely still has to go with the PTSD… or it renders the other two’s 545344346 days of mind numbingly boring and irrelevant testimony useless. (which is was but it’s their defense.) so whats this.. more of the same? for what reason?

      Do they figure they get 3 idiots against Dr DeMarte looks better for them? It will be surreal rebuttal and I’ll be going down the rabbit hole again I’m sure of it.

      • WhereIsSHE
        04/25/2013 at 3:07 pm

        Syn-
        It’s sur-rebuttal, so that limits what they can have a new expert testify to, i.e. it has to rebut evidence offered by the state during it’s rebuttal case and will be strictly limited to the narrow issues presented during the state’s rebuttal case.
        In other words, they cannot go back and adjust or change their entire defense. They cannot simply have a new witness buttress or support the experts they called during the defense case. They have to have it limited to rebut what Dr. D testified to during the state’s rebuttal.
        This is why the judge said it will be 1 day of testimony (for the defense direct, the state’s cross, jury questions, etc).
        In short, they will have to limit their sur-rebuttal to countering the diagnosis of borderline personality disorder.
        *Remember: they are stuck with admitting she has SOME SORT of personality disorder, because Dr. Samuels already shut the door to them trying to deny it completely, since he diagnosed with a personality disorder, “not otherwise specified” (as we here believe he did in order to hide the rather obvious borderline diagnosis).

      • NancyB
        04/25/2013 at 4:56 pm

        Exactly, Syn!!!

      • 04/25/2013 at 9:56 pm

        😀 luv ya Nancy!!

      • Jim
        04/26/2013 at 9:21 am

        WhereIsSHE: Syn – It’s sur-rebuttal ….hmmmm – interesting…. Syn’s intentional and very creative re-working of the the term wasn’t lost on me…..

      • 04/26/2013 at 9:36 am

        😀

  23. HJ Madison
    04/25/2013 at 2:29 pm

    I just feel so bad that all of you have SO little faith! I KNOW there are aberrations …. but if you have ever really looked at the HUNDREDS of cases that are charged, prosecuted, and found guilty … JM has done a stupendous job. How can there be any question about premeditation … even if they do believe TA was a batterer. There is so much … so much … she is going to get 1st degree.

    And if she does not, I hope MMD will let me move to PEI.

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 2:34 pm

      If she doesn’t get 1st degree you are welcome to move here however I will NOT share JM!!! I do however provide full service accomodations 🙂

      • HJ Madison
        04/25/2013 at 2:38 pm

        Yippee! Because PEI is one of the most beautiful places I have ever been. You are so lucky to be there! — but she is going to get 1st. As for JM … that is a different story …

    • 04/25/2013 at 10:03 pm

      think you are under a misapprehension on this HJ. Not at all sure where you are coming from with “loss of faith”

  24. Moon
    04/25/2013 at 2:34 pm

    for me it’s not a matter of little faith… I totally believe in Juan’s abilities.

    for me, it was because it seemed like more dirty tactics by the slime team.

  25. Marilyn N
    04/25/2013 at 2:35 pm

    Here’s the guy. I bet JM will make mincemeat out of him…..

    • 04/25/2013 at 2:44 pm

      OMG zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

      • Moon
        04/25/2013 at 2:48 pm

        i know right!! i stopped at 3.5 min in. i hope i am well rested when it’s this bozo’s time. not to mention whinywillnot’s screetch! i sure won’t miss THAT!! lol

      • Francine
        04/25/2013 at 5:13 pm

        Dr G is a firend of Alyce’s so we know what he is and will be I am sure 100% bias

      • ritanita
        04/25/2013 at 5:22 pm

        LOL! I lasted 22 seconds. I’ve read a couple of those court decisions!

      • Chrissie A
        04/25/2013 at 6:10 pm

        I lasted 48 secs…

      • 04/25/2013 at 10:06 pm

        I don’t know how many seconds I lasted.. but iit was a lot closer to the beginning than the end..

    • 04/25/2013 at 9:43 pm

      First frame looks like a hitler salute ? Not trying to be mean

      • 04/25/2013 at 10:07 pm

        sooo noticed that! and Im not usually “sensitive” to that kind of thing.

      • 04/25/2013 at 10:28 pm

        Me either but it stuck out. Nothing surprises me in this case. I just hope we all make it to the end. I’m in for the fight and support of the Alexander family!

      • Schaeffer
        04/25/2013 at 11:07 pm

        Hail, WOBO! He wouldn’t be the first to have made that salute. That’s probably the maneuver Wurmi is always making.

      • 04/26/2013 at 10:32 am

        ….but can’t quite get that wing up high enuf

  26. Moon
    04/25/2013 at 2:36 pm

    are we for sure that this idiot is the ONLY surrebuttal witness?

    • Francine
      04/25/2013 at 5:14 pm

      Yep only one the judge is giving them time for. An for the sake of thier checkbooks they better not cross the line either on the questioning. I bet Nurmi got fined while in chambers yestorday.

      • meljodcat
        04/25/2013 at 6:33 pm

        Why Would He Have Been Fined?

  27. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/25/2013 at 2:37 pm

    Ok….as we see it (and trying to keep ourselves positive here) The judge said, “Juror number 8 has been excused” so that’s different from “removed”…..no??? We’re thinking something came up suddenly with this juror….maybe at his request. It appears this came up suddenly because JA and TA’s family were not taken into chambers as before, the jurors were not questioned as before. This decision was made in chambers with the attorneys only…..right? We’re thinking the juror asked for this for whatever reason he had.

  28. Family of Law
    04/25/2013 at 2:38 pm

    MMD :
    Give Beautiful Boy or Mama’s Boy – as I think of him, a nose rub and a treat from me please

    Thanks MMD- I will 🙂 (I tell him that his nose rubs comes all the way from Canada!) His brass stall door plate arrived, reading- “Soldier Boy” he is now an “official member” of our family!

    • WhereIsSHE
      04/25/2013 at 4:03 pm

      Lucky Boy is more like it=)
      Now he is “official”, stall door name plate and all=)
      I still have the stall door name plates for all of my beloved childhood ponies and horses. Happy tears:)“`

      • Family of Law
        04/25/2013 at 5:33 pm

        Hi WiS 🙂 I feel like the Lucky Girl! He’s adjusting so well! He so readily gave me trust and love! I love that you have such precious keepsakes!

        What is you take on today’s events?

    • TexiBelle
      04/25/2013 at 4:25 pm

      Whereabouts in IL are you? I’m in IL too and have horses. But not on my property.

      • Family of Law
        04/25/2013 at 5:36 pm

        Hello fellow Illinoian 🙂 and horse lover! We are about 40 mins NW of Chicago. You?

      • TexiBelle
        04/25/2013 at 5:47 pm

        Downtown Chicago. My horses live in Morton Grove. Do you do lessons or anything, or just take in rescues?

      • Family of Law
        04/25/2013 at 6:09 pm

        We are practically “neigh-bors”! My family has been involved in Dressage and Jumping my entire life- now that I’m 50, and my son no longer has time- We pared down to four horses, so we had several spare stalls. A few years ago we became involved with a rescue group for hooved animals. Since then we’ve been a foster home for horses, pot bellied pigs, even a few goats! A couple of weeks ago, we took in a tragic case- a Bay that was horribly abused and malnourished- I fell “in love”, so he’s a keeper!

      • TexiBelle
        04/25/2013 at 6:22 pm

        I do hunter events. Do you feel comfy posting your email, or is there some way to chat directly (I’m such an igno about blogs, etc.) I have a place in MI and I’ve always thought about getting a horse out there to just ride around in the woods. I’m a year at least from pulling the trigger on that, but it would be nice to circle back to you and see if you have a rescue that would be a good fit!

      • Wendy
        04/25/2013 at 11:52 pm

        Hey! Born and raised in Chicago. 😀

      • TexiBelle
        04/26/2013 at 9:08 am

        Hey Wendy! You still around? I was born in TX but moved here 7 years ago. For the weather.

      • kristin
        04/26/2013 at 2:18 pm

        Familys from Roselle. Bear Down!!!

  29. Moon
    04/25/2013 at 2:38 pm

    will Juan be able to bring JD back up after this idiot is finished?

    • Jill
      04/25/2013 at 2:52 pm

      It would only seem fair but I’m sure he won’t be able to….

    • HJ Madison
      04/25/2013 at 2:53 pm

      Doubt it … because pretty soon it becomes tit for tat.

    • WhereIsSHE
      04/25/2013 at 4:14 pm

      No, because the defense is strictly limited to bringing in evidence narrowly tailored to rebutting the state’s rebuttal evidence only. They cannot add “new” issues or theories, etc. They can only attempt to rebut the state’s rebuttal evidence.
      Juan will be able to cross, of course.
      Then, the defense will rest and the evidence will be closed.
      Juan will argue the state’s case, i.e. it’s theories as to why Jodi is guilty of 1st deg. Murder, AND will tear apart the defense’s case, i.e. why the defense theories are not credible/are bogus, etc in his closing. If he needs to address something that arose during the sur-rebuttal, he can do so during his closing (as long as he basis his argument on the evidence that was admitted during the trial), and so, he can argue in response to the sur-rebuttal by citing what he was able to establish during cross-examination of the sur-rebuttal witness, but also by referring to Dr. D’s testimony during the state’s rebuttal case. (In other words, he doesn’t need to put her back on the stand in order to cite her testimony to make his point during closing.)

      • Moon
        04/25/2013 at 6:24 pm

        ty WIS, much appreciated 🙂

  30. Jane
    04/25/2013 at 2:43 pm

    Because this is rebuttal, Dr. Horne was called back cuz JA during testimony is the one who said he ran here and there, yelling at her, of course he is disputing that. Also he hasn’t been changing testimony. Flores said before that he heard him wrong.All these bleeding heart DA’s (dumb assess) need to shut up. Travis had the bleeding heart.

    • 04/25/2013 at 3:47 pm

      Jane, I loved your comment!

  31. HJ Madison
    04/25/2013 at 2:49 pm

    IMHO… If this guy were so committed to JA and her ridiculous defense he would have been used instead of LALA. He has not had time to read all the emails/texts/interviews. All he can speak to is something in general about DV that LaLa said and the defense wants to bolster. He has to have been paid for his time …. so he would have come to light as a potential expert long ago if he really understood JA. No, I think he is coming forward to help his pal LaLa and her future as a witness.

    • Moon
      04/25/2013 at 2:53 pm

      and as an author, since he did edit her fn ‘book’….

      no doubt he has been watching the trial, talking to latoilette….guess no one has given him the Juanthreat! (or he too, thinks he can pull one over on the Juanderful)

    • Marilyn N
      04/25/2013 at 2:54 pm

      It will probably be LaLa’s famous leading questions. ” Is it this, is it that?” etc, etc……..

      • Marilyn N
        04/25/2013 at 2:54 pm

        So he basically needs to know nothing!

    • Nancy Pennington
      04/25/2013 at 5:14 pm

      Great points.. If he is not speaking to Dr.Wackadoo’s dx that is soooo much better.

    • 04/25/2013 at 10:12 pm

      My point in post currently #73 HJ

  32. 04/25/2013 at 2:52 pm

    You are a joke Judge Stephens! This has to be one of the most weak-A$$ Judges I’ve ever seen.

    This is not justice!

    • 04/25/2013 at 10:15 pm

      im with ya! I can’t see one legitimate reason for another witness on this subject for the defense considering the 46455477 days we have all wept through already.

      It’s to cover Wilmotts atrocious cross that highlighted her lack of knowledge on Dr DeDmartes testimony. I do not see why another witness should be called to attempt to bail out the her woeful display.

  33. TexiBelle
    04/25/2013 at 2:52 pm

    I thought the ME was hotter with his rugged scruff.

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 2:59 pm

      so do I but after looking at JM for sooooooooooooooo long, everyone else pales in comparison 😀

    • commerce1
      04/25/2013 at 3:38 pm

      I agree TexiBelle. He was way hotter with his scruff. Still hot though. Very hot.

    • TexiBelle
      04/25/2013 at 4:26 pm

      I’m so glad we’re able to focus on the truly important issues of this trial 😉

      • MMD
        04/25/2013 at 5:23 pm

        😆

      • Gracerv7
        04/26/2013 at 12:37 am

        LOL!!! I’m surprised jodi was crying instead of giving come hither looks!

      • Commerce1
        04/26/2013 at 1:21 am

        Grace, she was crying because the hot medical examiner was describing what a monster she is because of the way she slaughtered Travis. Must be sooooooooo upsetting to know the hot doc thinks you’re a disgusting monster.

  34. 04/25/2013 at 2:56 pm

    Give Jodi a few years and she will be a 4 hole wonder. One for the needle!

    • commerce1
      04/25/2013 at 3:38 pm

      LOL!

    • kristin
      04/25/2013 at 4:19 pm

      Lol!!!!!!!!!

  35. MMD
    04/25/2013 at 2:57 pm

    Well on a positive note since it was such a short court day, I’ll get to watch Elementary at 8 my time ,7 ET since court usually doesn’t normally end until 8:30 my time or I could watch Motive, which you in the States will be getting this May, and watch Elementary on CBS at 11??????? Not used to having these decisions to make 😯

    • Jay
      04/25/2013 at 4:31 pm

      ELEMENTARY SPOILER!
      Sherlock solves the case…
      Sorry to ruin it for you..😈

      • MMD
        04/25/2013 at 5:24 pm

        not necessarily as there are only a couple of episodes left and some of the issues will bleed into next season 😉

      • MMD
        04/25/2013 at 5:26 pm

        But Jay, that wasn’t the point!!!! I’m just not used to having these decisions to make since January because of watching my man JM 😀

  36. Moon
    04/25/2013 at 2:58 pm

    Sudden wave of saddness… I am picturing Travis, in all the wonderful photos. His kind eyes, his wonderful smile…his wonderful spirit. God Rest Your Soul, Travis.

    • 04/25/2013 at 3:50 pm

      ITA, Moon…nicely said.

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 5:27 pm

      Yes Moon, that was beautifully said and the reason we are all here.

    • Anonymous
      04/26/2013 at 1:32 pm

      So true! May he rest in peace!

  37. LindaLou
    04/25/2013 at 3:04 pm

    We may have discussed this before but I can’t recall. Will the jury be sequestered during deliberations? How is that determined? Just asking because for one reason on another, jurors are dropping like flies lately.

  38. HJ Madison
    04/25/2013 at 3:04 pm

    Well, I am going to listen to Dr DeMarta again and see if I can figure out what, aside from the BPD, the defense wants a new witness to rebut.

    • Jay
      04/25/2013 at 4:41 pm

      I think it’s to refute her PTSD negation, for sentencing instructions.
      I believe there are ‘state of mind’ issues there, and if Arias was in a PTSD mode she doesn’t qualify for the death penalty…
      The Arizona State sentencing guidelines are on line somewhere.. I looked at them a couple of weeks ago, but can’t locate the link. If you can find them maybe you’ll have a sharper fix on how that works

      • HJ Madison
        04/25/2013 at 4:59 pm

        Yes … but we are at guilt only right now, no discussion of sentance, etc… just did she premeditate and maybe was it manslaughter.

  39. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/25/2013 at 3:18 pm

    I’ve been thinking that had the defendant been a Mexican male in his 30’s and he butchered his GF, this would be run entirely differently. I think the “sex” factor -the gender and not the act – is the real determinant of the rhythm and tiptoeing throughout. Imagine the reverse situation.Would the Judge be bending over backwards?

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 3:21 pm

      In a word – NOPE!!!!!!!!!!!! Sad isn’t it!!!!

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/25/2013 at 4:38 pm

      If this had been a man in JA’s shoes he’d have been toast a long time ago! And there would not have been a website of Locos supporting him as in JA’s sick world!! That website is a watering hold for the demented!!

  40. daislyflower
    04/25/2013 at 3:24 pm

    I think it may be a possible that the defense team as low as they have gotten may have thought that having the grandma there at the very end of the trial may pull the sorrow from the jury and to have give a lesser sentence. I’m just saying it is possible. Why now, and where is the aunt and the father. But I think it looks suspicious that the grandmother is there in court now. It may be another dirty rotten attempt to get her a lesser sentence for this worthless piece of garbage. He tears may be real, but watching her cry only makes me feel even more for Travis’ family. Image what tears they shed and the pain that flows with them, their pain and tears are real. I hope you get yours Jodi Arias, and Juan is a hero for Travis’. Jodi you stink and need to go away, forever!!!

    • Nienna
      04/25/2013 at 3:38 pm

      I really think that the Aunt could take no more of the bs about the family abusing JA, couldn’t understand why her sister would put up with it and just stopped coming to court.

    • Gracerv7
      04/25/2013 at 4:01 pm

      I thought the same thing!

    • Francine
      04/25/2013 at 5:18 pm

      Everybody recall when jM sent that last lady to deathrow? She was a mother of two small children an the jury still sent her to the Row.

  41. JesusFreak
    04/25/2013 at 3:56 pm

    there has to be someone in ja’s family with a true sense of right and wrong and the aunt may be it.
    what will we do til wednesday? so sorry and once again dt’s fault. the new defense witness can not come til wednesday. did dt not know they would need him early enough to keep this scheduling mess from happening?

  42. NancyB
    04/25/2013 at 3:57 pm

    MMD – I answered you upstairs.

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 5:33 pm

      Thanks Nancy – I can’t wait to read it because she calls it as she see it, whether people like it or not! It will be totally refreshing to read rather than the bs usually spewed.

  43. JesusFreak
    04/25/2013 at 3:57 pm

    what could be so important that witness could not reschedule? more people are discomforted on jury then what he has going, most likely.

  44. 04/25/2013 at 4:02 pm

    Syntara :
    OMG zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Syn, if you think Dr. Geffner is a bore….then the rest of us will be in a coma!

    • 04/26/2013 at 6:42 am

      LOL!! are you saying I abide boring people? 😛

  45. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/25/2013 at 4:07 pm

    Chris Stark ‏@stark3923 1h
    Juror #8 i am told was excused for work reasons/conflict dates – he was told case would end April 11 not May 15. #jodiarias

  46. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/25/2013 at 4:12 pm

    daislyflower :
    I think it may be a possible that the defense team as low as they have gotten may have thought that having the grandma there at the very end of the trial may pull the sorrow from the jury and to have give a lesser sentence. I’m just saying it is possible. Why now, and where is the aunt and the father. But I think it looks suspicious that the grandmother is there in court now. It may be another dirty rotten attempt to get her a lesser sentence for this worthless piece of garbage. He tears may be real, but watching her cry only makes me feel even more for Travis’ family. Image what tears they shed and the pain that flows with them, their pain and tears are real. I hope you get yours Jodi Arias, and Juan is a hero for Travis’. Jodi you stink and need to go away, forever!!!

    We figured the Aunt’s husband probably told her she’s needed at home not sitting there listening to JA’s lies. They know what’s she’s all about and they’ve probably read what everyone has been saying about the two of them on the internet and they are tired of the embarrassment JA has brought to all of them. He probably told her, “get your ass home!”

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/25/2013 at 4:13 pm

      …..or maybe the sisters had a disagreement about JA and the aunt can no longer sit there and support her!

      • kristin
        04/25/2013 at 4:23 pm

        I hope so. I truly want to believe there is someone else in her family, aside from her dad, that knows what a pos she is and supports only Travis.

  47. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/25/2013 at 4:20 pm

    HJ Madison :
    Well, I am going to listen to Dr DeMarta again and see if I can figure out what, aside from the BPD, the defense wants a new witness to rebut.

    They’re wanting someone to agree with La Toilet and Elmer Fudd that she is a DV victim and has PTSD since Dr. D did not agree with their findings. They’re looking for another puppet to add to their sideshow!! That’s all. Honestly…..we think this jury will be looking at the Forensics and the trail JM laid out leading to and after the killing. The facts…..just the facts!

  48. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/25/2013 at 4:27 pm

    Ci Ci’s Circle :
    Ok….as we see it (and trying to keep ourselves positive here) The judge said, “Juror number 8 has been excused” so that’s different from “removed”…..no??? We’re thinking something came up suddenly with this juror….maybe at his request. It appears this came up suddenly because JA and TA’s family were not taken into chambers as before, the jurors were not questioned as before. This decision was made in chambers with the attorneys only…..right? We’re thinking the juror asked for this for whatever reason he had.

    :>)

    Chris Stark ‏@stark3923 1h
    Juror #8 i am told was excused for work reasons/conflict dates – he was told case would end April 11 not May 15. #jodiarias

  49. stephanie
    04/25/2013 at 4:37 pm

    The last question JW asked about not being able to hold his head if his throat had been cut has had me in a spin. If Travis was dead in that accidental picture of JA dragging him JW is right, Travis’s head would be slumped down. So in that picture, in my opinion Travis is still alive. Any thoughts?

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/25/2013 at 4:49 pm

      We think that picture was taken just before she slashed his throat.

      • stephanie
        04/25/2013 at 4:59 pm

        Thank you. That is just an eerie picture to me, and I wasn’t sure were JW was going with that statement.

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/25/2013 at 5:26 pm

        JA also testified during JM’s cross when he showed her the photo and referred to her dragging his body, he references his slit throat. JA….in her usual stupidity stated very non-chalantly, “I don’t know that his throat is already slit in this picture”, JM almost stopped speaking and looked at her and asked her, “what did you say?” and she repeated herself. JM then just continued on with his questions. But she sat there looking blank and with a cold stare. That coldness HAD to have been caught by the jury!!

      • 04/26/2013 at 6:45 am

        or right after perhaps. At least most of that blood looks like it’s from the neckwound.

    • Francine
      04/25/2013 at 5:21 pm

      She slit his throat when he was still alive. After she stabbed him so many times. This is why she gets death pen case due to torture (sp). One sick person.

  50. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/25/2013 at 4:45 pm

    MMD :
    Chris Williams@chriswnews
    #JodiArias trial security dog update: Court security claims it was routine. No threat. Dog typically goes through in AM before trial

    Fine time to run the dog through…..after everyone is in the room like sitting ducks! They should be sniffing people and belongings long before they get into the court room. Ass backwards in our opinion!

    • MMD
      04/25/2013 at 5:36 pm

      Love you girls – ya really have a way with words and wine 😆

  51. Observer
    04/25/2013 at 4:46 pm

    In the rebuttal case, Juan Martinez has successfully proven premeditated murder, that Travis Alexander was not the monster the defense has painted and that Jodi Arias’s story of killing Travis in self defense is pure fiction.

    From the beginning, Jodi’s body slam/closet chase/accidental gunshot in self defense recreation of the June 4, 2008 massacre of Alexander sounded like a story one of my third graders might have made up. But the jurors want evidence so Martinez gave it to them.

    Dr. Kevin Horne testified that the gunshot through the frontal lobe of Alexander’s brain would be immediately incapacitating and rapidly fatal. Horne said if the gunshot was first, Alexander would have lost consciousness and it would have been impossible for him to be angry, threaten Arias, pull on her clothes and try to gain control of her after he fell to the floor on his back as Arias testified.

    Horne also testified that after he was shot, Alexander couldn’t have gotten up off the floor, lifted his arms to try to take the knife away and gotten defensive wounds on his hand, crawled away or got up and walked to the sink, stood over the sink and spat up blood or walked to the end of hallway where he collapsed and bled out. Travis was alive when his throat was cut because there was a lot of blood.

    Detective Flores testified that no holster, gun box, ammunition or any evidence was found in the house to show that Travis or his two roommates owned a gun and that it would be impossible for Jodi to step on the edge of the closet shelf without it tipping over to retrieve a gun on the top shelf.

    Deanna Reid, who dated Alexander from 2000 to 2005, testified he never abused her, got angry at her or asked her for sex after they broke up in 2005 although they remained friends up until he was murdered in 2008. She said he treated her with respect and she is caring for his dog. Arias had testified that Reid was crazy and jealous of her.

    Jacob Medford testified that Alexander was affectionate to Jodi every time he saw them at social functions when they were a couple. Medford showed a video of Jodi snuggling in his lap as they were surrounded by PPL co-workers and a picture of Travis kissing the back of Jodi’s head at a PPL social event. Arias testified that he was cold and aloof in public and was only affectionate in bed.

    As for premeditation:

    Wal-Mart employee: Amanda Webb testified that she reviewed records from the Wal-Mart store in Salinas, California, on June 3, 2008 and no-one returned a five gallon gas can on that day. Arias testified she returned a gas can on June 3, 2008.

    Tesoro employee: Chelsey Young testified that Arias made three gas purchases at a Tesoro gas station in Salt Lake City two days after she killed Travis. Arias testified that she only filled 2 cans.

    Arias’s Helio phone shows pictures of her as a blonde and a brunette on June 3, 2008, the day before she killed Alexander. The rental car agent testified in January that Arias rented the car on June 3, 2008 as a blonde. Arias testified she hadn’t been a blonde since May 2008.

  52. JesusFreak
    04/25/2013 at 4:54 pm

    has anymore been said about the ‘gun’ that was found near hoover dam?

    • Observer
      04/25/2013 at 5:18 pm

      That was a hoax. There was no gun found near Hoover Dam.

  53. TexiBelle
    04/25/2013 at 4:55 pm

    What about Travis’ friend he went shooting with? I thought he was going to be called back to testify that TA didn’t own a gun? I was looking forward to his testimony.

    • Observer
      04/25/2013 at 5:27 pm

      The defense never introduced the picture of Travis shooting a gun so Martinez had no need to put Dave Hall on the stand to say the gun was his and Travis didn’t own a gun. The prosecution has proven Travis didn’t own a gun with Flores testimony that there was no evidence in the house that Travis or his two roommates owned a gun. Jodi is the only person who said he owned a gun and her testimony is riddled with inconsistencies. Plus, she told Flores twice right after Travis’s body was found when she had no reason to lie that Travis didn’t own a gun.

  54. NancyB
    04/25/2013 at 5:03 pm

    Syntara :
    OMG zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Marilyn, A million thanks for the video of Geffner! One of the things that Wendy Murphy’s book very clearly states is that many of the organizations purportedly for VICTIMS are really NOT!

    • Marilyn N
      04/25/2013 at 6:26 pm

      You are very welcome. Can’t wait to get Wendy’s book!!

  55. NancyB
    04/25/2013 at 5:07 pm

    Oh, someone here, sorry I can’t remember who, referenced Jeffrey Curly’s murder in a post a few weeks back. I just wanted to mention that Wendy Murphy references that horrific case, as well as many others.

    • HJ Madison
      04/25/2013 at 5:29 pm

      I want to read Ms. Murphy’s book so much right now! It sounds so interesting! But I must at least fake like I have a real life — know what I mean. Too bad 😦

      • NancyB
        04/25/2013 at 5:35 pm

        Yes, I most certainly get it! I only mention it so it’s on your radar. 🙂

  56. HJ Madison
    04/25/2013 at 5:21 pm

    HLN earlier made an interesting point … why no DT expert on the crime scene and other forensic evidence to explain how things may have happened during the killing, since their client “had no recall” — after all this is a DP case. I guess “the fog” was sufficient.

    • Jay
      04/25/2013 at 5:33 pm

      Right, and they also said the DT probably couldn’t find any forensic experts to contradict the state ME’s findings. And with no contradictory testimony, you have to believe what the ME said. That makes it obvious Arias’s story is a lie.

      Does the judge instruct the jury that if the defendant lied on the stand they are free to disbelieve everything else she said under oath?

      • MMD
        04/25/2013 at 5:40 pm

        I think that applies to all witnesses. They are free to disbelieve all or part of the testiphony.

      • Marilyn N
        04/25/2013 at 6:29 pm

        Especially since JA specifically stated she would not lie under oath = another lie!!

    • 04/26/2013 at 6:50 am

      Don’t need HLN for that. I’ve commented on that for a while now and reiterated when Wilmott was trying to act like a brain physiology expert on xing Dr Horn

  57. ritanita
    04/25/2013 at 5:42 pm

    I hope that the jury notices that at no time in their CIC did the defense present an ME to testify that the gunshot came first. No Dr. Spitz (sarcasm here), no DiMaio, etc. That tells me they couldn’t get a legitimate ME to testify for them.

    When Geffner testifies Wednesday, I will bet they will be surprised it’s not an ME which could make a huge dent in reasonable doubt. All he can do is rebut DeMarte’s testimony.

    I’ll repeat this, because it reminds me of how intelligent this jury is. Samuels ONLY admitted to a personality disorder (not otherwise specified) after being questioned by a juror. Obviously, the defense was really putting all their eggs in a PTSD basket. Unfortunately, Samuels smashed all the eggs when he didn’t re-test Jodi based on her new facts.

    He can’t deny she has a personality disorder.

    Borrowing from Wikipedia, which certainly has its uses, he has his choice of:

    Common Axis II disorders include personality disorders: paranoid personality disorder, schizoid personality disorder, schizotypal personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, antisocial personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, histrionic personality disorder, avoidant personality disorder, dependent personality disorder, obsessive-compulsive personality disorder; and intellectual disabilities.

    Will he pick one???

    • NancyB
      04/25/2013 at 8:02 pm

      Exactly! Who in the whole wide world would be available to basically lie & obfuscate other than Dr. Werner Spitz???

    • 04/26/2013 at 6:55 am

      He can’t deny she has a personality disorder

      Yes but… BPD is the most ‘sympathetic of all the Axis II disorders. THAT’s the point. Any other dart shot would hit one that makes her colder and way more unsympathetic. Which would only help the defense.

      That has been my point since Dr DeMarte called it that way. So how can this new witness go with anything other than regurgitated crap Dodgy and LaLa have already spewed. He can’t! Because anything else will go worse for Jodistein.

      And he can’t argue mental retardation!! That’s the only other ‘sympathetic’ one left!!

      • 04/26/2013 at 6:57 am

        *** sorry that should read*****

        which would only help the PROSECUTION

        The only way to circumvent this would have been to pre-empt the diagnosis of BPD and called it that way originally without Lala and Dodgy.. but Jodistein wanted PTSD because she needed the ‘fog’ and the abuse.

  58. 04/25/2013 at 5:58 pm

    I have a question – Now that a sur-rebuttal has been granted and the state has the last word – is there a rebuttal to the sur-rebuttal or will Juan cover this in closing arguments?

    • WhereIsSHE
      04/25/2013 at 6:26 pm

      There will be no rebuttal to the sur-rebuttal.
      At the end of the sur-rebuttal, the defense will rest. The next thing that will happen is that the judge will instruct the jury apparently, and then the lawyers will present closing arguments. (Where I practice, we close BEFORE the judge instructs the jury on the law. AZ is all kinds of different from here.)

    • Virginia
      04/25/2013 at 9:34 pm

      Please forgive me for asking a really stupid question but can anyone tell me why nurmi chooses to wear a Big Ben clock on his wrist?

      • Moon
        04/25/2013 at 11:25 pm

        compensation for his lil …….?????

        hahahaha

      • MMD
        04/26/2013 at 10:09 am

        conti…… from Moon

        which he is no longer able to locate – see Chrissie’s picture 😆

  59. WhereIsSHE
    04/25/2013 at 6:00 pm

    I have seen people here inquire as to how the final jury members (vs. those who will simply be “alternates”) is determined, so I took some time to research it. (If someone else has already answered this, sorry for taking up space here unnecessarily.)
    But in the event this question is still hanging around, here is what I found:

    At the end of the case, the alternates will be determined by a lot in a drawing held in open court.
    Just because they are an alternate does not mean they will be excused.
    They will remain on the case–and will be under the same restrictions/receive the same admonishments from the court–as the actual jury.
    If a member of the jury cannot continue before a verdict is reached, a member of the alternate panel will be selected to replace him/her. (But IF this were to happen, the jury WILL BE INSTRUCTED to commence deliberations ANEW, for obvious reasons, i.e., so that the ENTIRE jury participates in all discussions/decisions.)

    • WhereIsSHE
      04/25/2013 at 6:03 pm

      If there is no drawing in open court, it may be due to a recent rule change.

      Here is more detail for those who have an interest:

      In a capital case, alternate jurors not selected to participate in the guilt phase deliberations shall not be excused if the jury returns a guilty verdict of first-degree murder. During the aggravation phase, the alternate jurors shall listen to the evidence and argument presented to the jury. When the jury retires to deliberate on aggravation, the alternate or alternates shall not participate but shall be instructed to continue to observe the admonitions to jurors until they are informed they are discharged. If the jury returns a verdict finding one or more aggravating factors, the alternate jurors shall listen to the evidence and argument presented at the penalty phase. When the jury retires to deliberate on the penalty, the alternate or alternates shall not participate but shall be instructed to continue to observe the admonitions to jurors until they are informed they are discharged. In the event a deliberating juror is excused during either the aggravation or penalty phases due to inability or disqualification to perform required duties, the court may substitute an alternate juror, choosing from among the alternates in the order previously designated, unless disqualified, to join in the deliberations. In the event that an alternate or alternates are substituted during the aggravation or penalty deliberations, the jurors shall only begin anew for the phase of the sentencing that they are currently deliberating. The jurors shall not deliberate anew about a verdict already reached and entered.

      • MMD
        04/25/2013 at 6:34 pm

        Thank you. Your posts are always a wealth of information!

  60. TerryP
    04/25/2013 at 6:02 pm

    How valid is this guys testimony anyway? Has he tested her? Interviewed her? Or is he going to testify based on AL’s notes?

    • Jay
      04/25/2013 at 6:19 pm

      He’s probably going to refute Dr Janine’s conclusions, but that has to be on her testimony, not on any ALV said.

      • Jay
        04/25/2013 at 6:25 pm

        What I still want to know, and nobody seems able to answer, will Martinez be able to bring up the information about this new expert witness being cited in two other trials for providing useless and misleading information during his testimony?

        Yes? No? Maybe?

      • WhereIsSHE
        04/25/2013 at 6:28 pm

        Jay-
        I don’t know anything about the information you say exists on this new witness, but if it exists, the answer is YES, because it goes to his CREDIBILITY (if it actually proves what you say it does), which is always RELEVANT.

      • WhereIsSHE
        04/25/2013 at 6:32 pm

        Let me be more specific:
        You say he provided “useless” and “misleading” information.
        That’s pretty vague.
        Was that just an argument another attorney made in those cases? If so, then the answer is NO.
        “Useless” testimony would be a matter of opinion, depending on which side of a case one was on, so I would say NO for that.
        But if he provided “misleading” information, it would depend aganon whether or not that is a matter of OPINION or a matter of FACT.
        IF he LIED on the stand in another case–and it can be PROVEN– then the answer is YES.
        If it’s just that he testified to an opinion that was countered by the other side, then NO, because that happens with experts in every case.

    • WhereIsSHE
      04/25/2013 at 6:22 pm

      If he hadn’t already interviewed and tested her and reviewed all of the written materials available to Dr. D before Dr. D testified, he certainly has his work cut out for him. Perhaps he will not be testing her and he will simply be called to disagree with Dr. D’s interpretion of the tests she administered? Perhaps he will be called to counter Dr. D’s insinuation that JODI was the abuser and not Travis??

      I would love to hear the defense’s “offer of proof” on this one, because it seems absurd– our here in the vacuum– that the judge is permitting more testimony on the issue of Jodi’s mental state. The defense already presented Jodi’s testimony plus TWO expert witnesses on this issue.

  61. Jay
    04/25/2013 at 7:04 pm

    WhereIsSHE :
    Jay-
    I don’t know anything about the information you say exists on this new witness, but if it exists, the answer is YES, because it goes to his CREDIBILITY (if it actually proves what you say it does), which is always RELEVANT.

    It was noted and commented here when his name first surfaced, with specific details.
    If you know how to use the search function maybe you can find it or google it like the original commenter did — I’d do it but don’t have time now

    • WhereIsSHE
      04/25/2013 at 11:53 pm

      I don’t have the time or inclination to do such a search either tonight, but the good news is that all of us will only have to wait until next Wednesday to see what information Juan brings up on cross to attack this guy’s credibility.
      No doubt that attorneys and paralegals in the state attorney’s office are on this guy’s testimonial history, etc like white on rice.

  62. Diana Bratt
    04/25/2013 at 7:24 pm

    Robert in Rotterdam :
    I’ve been thinking that had the defendant been a Mexican male in his 30′s and he butchered his GF, this would be run entirely differently. I think the “sex” factor -the gender and not the act – is the real determinant of the rhythm and tiptoeing throughout. Imagine the reverse situation.Would the Judge be bending over backwards?

    Had the the defendant been a male of ANY ethnicity none of us would be paying attention to this trial. Women are butchered in this horrendous manner quite frequently,so much that it’s not newsworthy as far as murders go- usually reported ONCE on the local evening news .

    The defendant’s GENDER is the novelty here. That’s why she anybody even listened to those immediate ridiculous lies. And why she thought she could get away with it
    .
    One can hardly wrap your mind around the fact that a WOMAN can kill so brutally. And this partiular creature shows NO remorse!!

  63. Nicole
    04/25/2013 at 7:30 pm

    Ci Ci’s Circle :
    JA also testified during JM’s cross when he showed her the photo and referred to her dragging his body, he references his slit throat. JA….in her usual stupidity stated very non-chalantly, “I don’t know that his throat is already slit in this picture”, JM almost stopped speaking and looked at her and asked her, “what did you say?” and she repeated herself. JM then just continued on with his questions. But she sat there looking blank and with a cold stare. That coldness HAD to have been caught by the jury!!

    She was trying to buy a few more minutes for her absurd story of self-defense! She knows it would be impossible to have the (a) body slam b) chase c) gun shot d) 27 stab wounds, including slit throat, and e) dragging back down hallway, all in 62 seconds. So she is trying to argue that the picture was BEFORE the throat slit. She’s shameless.

  64. 04/25/2013 at 7:57 pm

    So the jury deliberates, what, ten minutes? Less?

    • WhereIsSHE
      04/26/2013 at 12:06 am

      Give them time, bb! They typically take a while just to select a foreperson, not to mention to go through the jury instructions–and take breaks to use restrooms/smoke/eat. And remember, these people took a lot of notes; asked a bunch of questions. Sometimes they feel a responsibility to go through both sides’ arguments before they even take an initial vote. I hope everyone here can cut them some slack if they aren’t lightning fast. These people have not been able to even discuss anything about the case with each other over all these MONTHS. Try to imagine that. If you had all of your opinions bottled up inside and you shared that experience with an entire group, and you FINALLY got to talk about it and share your opinions, etc. They are just as keen as many of us here who want to share their thoughts with others who have been following the case.
      And even if 11 vote for “guilty” on 1st degree murder on the 1st round, 1 vote for “not guilty” forces the group to come up with their own internal process for how to proceed about attempting to review the evidence together and try to come to a new, unified concensus thereafter. (There are no specific jury instructions given by the court as to how they are to accomplish this, so the jury has to sort of create their own little set of rules for fair debate and voting anew, etc.)

      Then again… they might just reach a unanimous verdict on the very 1st vote. The overwhelming majority of jury questions for the various witnesses seem to strongly indicate that Jodi’s defense is viewed as a pile of steaming horse manure.

      • 04/26/2013 at 6:36 am

        Oh to be a fly on the wall in that jury room and be able to report back here

  65. Gigi
    04/25/2013 at 8:03 pm

    The whole PTSD thing is such a ridiculous red herring – it’s irrelevant to the killing because it’s supposed to have come afterwards, allegedly caused by the trauma of killing him. I still don’t see how that diagnosis helps the self-defense case at all.

    What is relevant is the cruel and heinous way she killed him, and the way she continues to torture him even in death – with all the lies and character assassination. Her cruelty just keeps on going post-murder, and should be enough reason for the jurors to give her the DP.

    Can I just say my favourite line of JM’s during the trial? When he says ‘there appears to be something blondish or white on his lap”. LOL! Because he’s so right, she’s not blonde-bombshell blonde – she’s just “blondish”, cos in most pictures it looks like a pretty bad bleach job. And “white” with its evocations of a witchy hag. Just that one line, to me, artfully deflates Jodi’s interpretation of herself as bombshell-vixen. She’s merely a ‘blondish, white’ thing. Good one Juan!!!

    • commerce1
      04/25/2013 at 8:40 pm

      I liked that too. It made her seem almost like a pet. Almost irrelevant as a person.

    • Moon
      04/25/2013 at 11:13 pm

      good points gotta love juan!!

    • kCruz123
      04/26/2013 at 1:37 am

      Gigi, I so agree with you. The comment about the white or blindfish thing I felt was so appropriate and aimed at JA. In my mind I immediately associated it with the comment JM made when the ‘expert’ (that zooned into the eye of Travis) was saying that if you look closely you can see someone & see she isn’t holding a gun. So, JM says ok. Maybe, hmm yes I don’t know. In fact I see a snout. (Not quoted word for word). But, Ha Ha. A snout. Exactly.

  66. NancyB
    04/25/2013 at 8:24 pm

    A lady named Linda was just on Nancy Grace – and she was the person that Travis bought the diamond ring for. She just read the most beautiful poem that Travis wrote to her. It was simply beautiful and made me tear up.

    • Marilyn N
      04/25/2013 at 8:37 pm

      Oh they were such a cute couple!!!

      • 04/25/2013 at 10:05 pm

        I heard it too. Touched my heart fierce. Someone should post it please.

  67. NancyB
    04/25/2013 at 8:31 pm

    One thing that still puzzles me is why Juan did not call Paul Stern, who loaned the $ to JA and who she specifically told that she was *frantic* to get to Mesa to see Travis. Juan did get Darryl to admit during his testimony, very reluctantly that she had told him that she was going to Mesa, and needed the gas cans for that trip. A 2nd confirming witness like Stern blows lack of premeditation out of the water, imo.

    • Marilyn N
      04/25/2013 at 8:38 pm

      There has to be a good reason.(?)

    • commerce1
      04/25/2013 at 8:38 pm

      There could have been issues with Paul Stern as a witness that Juan didn’t want to open himself up to. Perhaps a less than savory past, etc. He may have decided he had enough without risking a less than stellar witness who the defense could possibly attack.

      • Kristy
        04/25/2013 at 8:43 pm

        I think you’re right. All of JM witnesses were stellar, and while the suributtal is allowed, I’m not seeing anything good coming out of it for Jodi.

      • NancyB
        04/25/2013 at 9:44 pm

        I think that he does not even know about him! he was on Dr Drew’s show once back in early Feb. He said that he never contacted law enforcement as he didn’t think that anything that he could offer was of any importance. Remember, Juan has already stated that he watches nothing on TV about this case. I wonder if Det Flores is also unaware that this witness exists? To me, he came across as a way more credible witness compared to Darryl.

      • kCruz123
        04/26/2013 at 1:28 am

        Commerce, I think you’re right in that Stern’s character may have come in to question. Though I have no proof that it is same person, a Paul Stern from the area where he lives, was arrested for possession of cocaine ( in 2009, I think). Perhaps, if was same Stern, that Mr. Martinez didn’t want to deal with that issue.

    • Observer
      04/25/2013 at 8:50 pm

      In a high profile case, all kinds of people go on TV claiming to have information just to get their 15 minutes of fame. The detectives would have followed up on Paul Stern’s story. If it could be proven, he would be on the witness stand and not on HLN.

      • NancyB
        04/25/2013 at 9:47 pm

        This man was not lying, he showed proof of lending her the amount of money which at that time in early Feb had NOT yet been released – showing the bank deposits. He offered the proof and correct amount loaned PRIOR to the bank statements coming out.

    • Houndrancher
      04/25/2013 at 10:53 pm

      Like Stern, I am wondering why Matt McCartney was not called up, especially after JM mentioned the magazine messages and MM’s given statement. I am also left wondering about the remote JA gave Daryl Brewer while she was there visiting him. It sounded like it was a remote for a DVD player, as in the stolen DVD from grandparents’ house. Does anyone know if Brewer’s home was searched for the stolen DVD player or any other items?

      • Jill
        04/26/2013 at 12:04 am

        Yes, I thought Matt would have been a good witness and those magazine messages really were telling…and i dont understand why Darryl didn’t get questioned about the DVD player.

      • TexiBelle
        04/26/2013 at 10:44 am

        Although I can’t remember every detail related to Matt McCartney’s involvement in this trial, I think he’s flip-flopped on things he’s said, or something like that. I just remember hearing things (probably from HLN commentators covering what happened in depo’s, etc.) and thinking his credibility is totally shot at this point.

    • Schaeffer
      04/25/2013 at 11:33 pm

      It could be as simple as he didn’t have stand-up-in-court-proof in the form of a check or an ATM receipt. If he just handed her cash, there would be no record of transaction, amount, date, etc.

      I found him to be credible, primarily because he said she had “thousands of pictures” that she wanted him to look at, and he was just not interested. He also said you learned more about WOBO from what she DIDN’T say than what she did — he said she was always staring at you, scanning your face for a clue as to how she should react. So many people have described her that way, I always picture one of those “computers” they used to show on TV sitcoms where someone filled out a questionnaire for (usually something like) a dating service, the card went in one end, lots of lights flashed and the machine made various noises and bleeps, then a card would spit out the other end with “Your Perfect Date Date Is So-and-So.” Make sense?

      • WhereIsSHE
        04/26/2013 at 12:22 am

        Perfect sense.
        She is missing a key human ingredient: the conscience that prohibits most of us from engaging in behavior that ranges from just the everyday interactions which are socially inappropriate (invading the privacy of others; barging into social situationsand activities to which one is not invited; etc) to the most severe of criminal actions (premeditated murder).
        She is missing the “humanity chip”.
        She only cries for herself.
        It is way beyond obvious by now. I missed today’s live stream, but caught a few clips later on. I saw her tears during the ME’s testimony –during which gruesome photographic evidence of the butchery she committed on Trais’ body were broadcast in open court–
        as for herself and herself only.
        She knew her biggest lies about what happened when she murdered Travis were being exposed and she was full of tears for herself.

      • NancyB
        04/26/2013 at 3:29 am

        Great memory and thanks for making me laugh! I forgot all about those machines with lights flashing etc!

  68. Observer
    04/25/2013 at 8:38 pm

    Today was a sad serious day with the gruesome pictures and testimony of Travis’s brutal death. I thought we could use a good laugh.

    http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/mr-martinez-gets-alot-done-in-a-half-day/

  69. Kristy
    04/25/2013 at 8:41 pm

    Will the jurors be able to take their notes in for deliberations?

    • HJ Madison
      04/25/2013 at 9:12 pm

      Yes

  70. PK
    04/25/2013 at 8:41 pm

    Why the 29 stab wounds and a gunshot to the head which more than likely occurred after Travis had bled out from his knife wounds? My best guess is that Jodi even planned that gruesome overkill to hopefully steer the detectives away from little frail Jodi to two assailants (one with knife and one with a gun) should her I wasn’t there plan A fail despite her attempts to cover her own tracks. Had her coverup not been so amateur, the two ninja spin might have played well in Mesa. Thank GOD it didn’t!

    • Observer
      04/25/2013 at 9:01 pm

      PK, you’re right on the money. As soon as she got the call that the police were at Travis’s house, Jodi called Flores twice while he was at the crime scene. When he returned her call the first thing she told him was that he needed to be looking for two murderers because Travis weighed almost 200 lbs. and one person could not overpower him. I think she used the knife first because she wanted him to suffer and she could surprise him easier by stabbing him in the heart as he sat on the floor of the shower naked and wet with one leg over the other. He was trapped and she just kept stabbing away. Travis had had a gun pointed to his head before by a robber who pulled the trigger and the gun jammed. She knew the knife would be more reliable and cause more damage.

      • Kristy
        04/25/2013 at 9:54 pm

        I want to know why JM wasn’t allowed to have the audio on for the jury regarding Travis with Jodi in his lap? Was it considered new evidence?

      • WhereIsSHE
        04/26/2013 at 12:26 pm

        Kristi-
        Travis was speaking about being held up at gunpoint during that clip. From a legal standpoint, the defense would object on the grounds of “relevance” and, in the alternative, that even if relevant, the “probative value was outweighed by the prejudice”.
        Fairly easy to predict that the court would sustain said ojections.
        For all we know, Juan even may have stipulated (agreed) to keeping the sound out, just so that he could certain to get that particular tape before the jurors’ eyes.
        It said, “Dirty little secret, My A$$.”
        It showed how gentle and affectione Travis was with Jodi in front of an entire group of people.
        It showed that he was OK with people knowinghat he was “with” her; that there was an obvious intimate boyfriend/girlfriend relationship between them.
        It also shows Jodi being ompletely relaxed and at ease with him/no signs of being fearful or controlled or dominated in any way.
        It spoke volumes.

      • kristin
        04/26/2013 at 2:32 pm

        I could have sworn that he was talking about a dream he had about being held up at gun point! Please correct me if I’m wrong! Perhaps too much HLN for me lol

    • 04/25/2013 at 10:25 pm

      no.. Jodi did not plan to use the gun. That was a backup plan. If he had have died in the shower she rinsed his body off…. none of that evidence so crucial to linking her to the scene would have been available. no photos, no hair follicle, no palm print, none of her blood. Why would she then shoot him with a gun easily linked to her?

      No that gun was used when things went horribly wrong and he either convulsed or aspirated with gases.. or when she realised the enormity of the scene and hit on the idea of a bullet used as well could point to two perps.

      • Marilyn N
        04/25/2013 at 11:39 pm

        She never expected such a mess.
        Probably thought a couple lethal stabs in the shower and rinse him off nice and tidy like.

      • 04/25/2013 at 11:47 pm

        yep… soo glad he fought back! He probably knew he was dying but wasn’t going to go down easy and he outed her! yay Travis!!!!! Bad he went through all that pain though… Can’t stand thinking about that side of it. Just glad he was able to pull himself through it and win in the end.

        Sounds stupid saying he won I know.. but in my heart and soul I believe he won, I feel he won.

  71. commerce1
    04/25/2013 at 8:44 pm

    The Jodi show is almost over. Thank goodness. Soon she will be relegated to a death row cell 23 out of 24 hours a day with not even a prison social life. She will have plenty of time to work on her manifestos, tell all book, and “art” then. LOL.

    • Kristy
      04/25/2013 at 8:50 pm

      I can’t even imagine how horrible it’s been for TAs family to sit through the trial.

      • commerce1
        04/25/2013 at 9:03 pm

        Exactly. That’s why I can’t wait for this show to be over. That way the attention can be off of her. She’s clearly enjoying herself and the attention way too much. It will be nice when the family can focus on grieving and honoring Travis instead of having to endure sitting in a court room with her day after day while she lies and preens and poses and smirks and draws pictures of them.

  72. Kristy
    04/25/2013 at 8:49 pm

    I didn’t watch the early part of the trial. How did Jodi ruin Travis’s BMW? Was it intentional or just bad luck? Did JM emphasize that Travis wasn’t physical and handled it maturely?

    • Observer
      04/25/2013 at 9:08 pm

      Jodi testified that the engine was destroyed when she tried to load the BMW on the U Haul. Under cross, she said Travis was very understanding and helped her call the insurance company. She left the BMW behind in Phoenix when she moved to California and stuck Travis with the problem.

    • HJ Madison
      04/25/2013 at 9:09 pm

      Actually … it is sort of hiliarious … for Jodi Einstein, anyway. TA sold her his BMW. When she moved home she hitched it to her Uhaul.. Idiot did not take it out of gear and literally drug it to California …. she said something like the Uhaul would not go fast …. “and then I realized the BMW was still in gear because someone else left it that way because I can not be responsible for anything because I am perfect because I have the IQ of Einstein” Priceless!

      • Kristy
        04/25/2013 at 9:21 pm

        Jodi is such a loser.

  73. HJ Madison
    04/25/2013 at 8:59 pm

    http://www.leagle.com/xmlcitation.aspx?Page=0&Page1=1

    Found at Leagle.com — O’ROURKE v. O’ROURKE
    CYDNIE B. O’ROURKE,
    v.
    JAMES P. O’ROURKE.
    No. M2007-01833-COA-R3-CV.
    Court of Appeals of Tennessee, at Nashville.
    November 3, 2009 Session.

    Filed November 10, 2010.

    (This was a very protracted divorce/custody case. Father eventually prevailed. Mother hired Geffner and court found him to be nothing more than a “hired gun”)

    This is directly quoted from the above website and offers insight into Geffners testimony regarding the use of the MMPI on the mother (whom other psychologists had found to have “”maladaptive personality traits” that caused her moderate difficulty in functioning, including difficulty getting along with other people and dealing with family members.”.

    “In his affidavits, as well as during nearly a full day of trial testimony, Dr. Geffner challenged the use of the MMPI and other psychological tests by Drs. Bernet and Walker. He stated that questions of domestic abuse and family violence implicated a specialized area of psychological practice which required a totally different testing regimen. He testified that he himself was an expert in the area of family violence and abuse, as shown by numerous publications he had authored and by his participation in professional societies that focus on those areas. These included the Natural Resource Center on Family Violence and Sexual Assault, an organization he had founded and in which served as president.
    Dr. Geffner testified that none of the other psychiatrists or psychologists involved in this case possessed credentials similar to his, and he declared that the lack of such credentials rendered any opinions they might have as to the relative fitness of Father and Mother for parenting responsibilities suspect at best.9 He also stated that when a mental health professional conducts an evaluation outside that professional’s expertise, it raises serious ethical issues. He accordingly recommended that Mother file ethics complaints with Vanderbilt and the State Licensing Boards against the other mental health professionals involved in the case.
    Dr. Geffner testified on cross-examination that he no longer treats patients, but devotes all his time to consulting work related to his specialty. Father’s attorney questioned Dr. Geffner about his participation as an expert witness in a number of cases in different jurisdictions. These included Clark v. Collins, 956 F.2d 68 (5th Circuit 1992), a criminal case from Texas in which the court found that Dr. Geffner’s affidavit lacked credibility, in part because it was based on hearsay information supplied by the defendant’s attorney, with no independent verification of the information.
    The court likewise excluded Dr. Geffner’s testimony in Hawaii v. French, 129 P.3d 581 (Hawaii 2006), which involved allegations of child sexual abuse. In State v. Supulvado, 655 So.2d 623 (La. App. 1995), the court limited Dr. Geffner’s testimony because he mostly relied upon information supplied by the defendant and because although he is not a medical doctor, he tried to testify about the effects of brain damage on emotional functioning. Dr. Geffner acknowledged that he has testified in a great number of cases, but stated that he did not remember very much about the facts of those particular cases.”

    • Marilyn N
      04/25/2013 at 9:31 pm

      Good find! Thanks!!

    • Kristy
      04/25/2013 at 9:32 pm

      If JM brings up the fact that the guy has lost 2 cases like this as well as his for profit university, the guy will be toast. All those for profits have taken a beating lately for wanting $$$$ over caring about the futures of those that enroll.

    • Jay
      04/25/2013 at 10:19 pm

      The link doesn’t work on my iPad, HJ…
      this appears to be posted by one of the children of the two people involved in the divorce. I’m not sure she’s objective. Any other hits on Geffner cited by the court?

      • Marilyn N
        04/25/2013 at 11:36 pm

        Jay: Google “leagle.com” and search: Robert Geffner.

      • HJ Madison
        04/26/2013 at 12:09 am

        Jay :
        The link doesn’t work on my iPad, HJ…
        this appears to be posted by one of the children of the two people involved in the divorce. I’m not sure she’s objective. Any other hits on Geffner cited by the court?

        Hope you found the site as Marilyn suggested (especially since I did this digging after you wanted more. I am sorry about the link, that is why I gave the website. I had a hard time with “copy and paste” on the ipad and had to open with a browser other than Safari …) This is the legal summary, not posted by unhappy family. You can just sense LaLa here …. this guy going on about he is the only legit expert and it fits perfectly to rebut Dr. DeMarte. Can not believe the Judge is going to let this in, especially since the guy can not possibly have had time to read everything, let alone interview WOBO. But that seems to be his calling card. Seems like he just throws stuff out there to see if it will stick.

    • WhereIsSHE
      04/26/2013 at 12:42 am

      Thanks for doing this key legwork.
      Well, now we know exactly what Geffner’s testimony will be.
      He is going to tell the jury that the testing Dr. D ran on Jodi is “meaningless”, blahblahblah.
      I haven’t looked at the individual cases cited here, but assuming the synopsis of each is fair and accurate, it looks like another major miscalculation by the defense team, becauseJuan will dispatch of him with ease.
      It might just be that the attorneys are doing what they can to demonstrate that they met their obligations in terms of providing their client with a “rigorous” defense.
      Seems apparent that they were unable to find ANYONE with a solid history and without some self-benefitting motive to take the stand on Jodi’s behalf.
      Dr. Samuels- left NJ in shame; whores himself out to violent sexual offenders in AZ;
      ALV-book tour– and need to promote armchair conclusions as though they were the result of objective scientific experiments;
      Dr. Geffner- ???willing to say ANYTHING??? (Really bizarre array of examples provided here!)

      • HJ Madison
        04/26/2013 at 1:24 am

        WIS — totally agree about the defense just fulfilling their obligations. You know, as much as we say about Nurmi, I think he dislikes his client and is doing all he can to see to it this thing NEVER ends up on his desk again. Same for the judge. But we will see what she thinks when we get to the end of all this. As for Geffner? He did not join in originally … odd …. maybe this way he limits his exposure to JM while still getting in on this “cash cow”.

  74. HJ Madison
    04/25/2013 at 9:04 pm

    Looks like we may be in for a long day next Wednesday! I am surprised this jerk did not get hired instead of LaLa. Maybe they thought Samuels (though not an “expert” on DV) + LaLa was all they needed.

  75. 04/25/2013 at 9:55 pm

    No way will i be anywhere near HLN next Wednesday. I don’t have the stomach for a full day of Gidget’s stupid questions.

    BTW, the Defense expert that was on HLN all afternoon today was a first class creep! What a scum bag! Probably thinks he has a chance with Jodi “Johnson & Jonson No More Tears” Arias.

  76. 04/25/2013 at 10:07 pm

    I’m new here so please forgive me if I make duplicate posts or errors. I have been reading this site for a long time now and really enjoy the trial recaps and everyone’s discussion.. I’m obsessed with this trial and my family is about to kick me outta the house ha ha. Thank god you understand me 🙂

    Anyways, my question/concern is about the premeditated evidence or should I say lack of evidence…The DT has some good excuses as to why Jodi needed gas cans, no actual proof of her taking gun from GP’s house, hair dye, etc..I am SOOOO completely a wreck over this because this could be their escape. I personally don’t think they are going to give her 1st degree. Please tell me I’m wrong!? Tell me the evidence they have to slam dunk pre-med murder. She deserves nothing less than a torture chamber but please at least tell me I’m missing something here. If this turns into another Casey Anthony joke I for one will be giving up on the whole justice system!!!

    • Observer
      04/25/2013 at 11:30 pm

      Don’t worry, the state’s premeditation case is strong. The witnesses in the rebuttal case proved she lied about taking the gas can back to Wal-Mart, buying gas for three gas cans and her tank in Salt Lake, jumping up on the shelf to retrieve a gun, Travis owning a gun and being blonde when she rented the car. If she was innocent, why lie about it?

      Jodi had the means, motive and opportunity to stage the robbery and steal the gun. There is no coincidence that Travis was shot by the same rare .25 caliber gun as was stolen from her grandfather’s house where she lived.

    • 04/25/2013 at 11:31 pm

      Think reasonable proof. all you have listed falls within reasonable proof.

      1. Why does she change her hair on the road trip and not before?

      2. 25mm gun is rare, the nature of the break-in was suspicious to police even from the get go and miraculously it’s the same calibre as the gun she used to shoot Travis. She has no reasonable explanation as to where this gun came from.

      3. If there is nothing untoward about the gas cans.. why did she lie about the 3rd one, first saying she didn’t have one, then lying about returning it?

      If the jurors wish to overlook these facts it is out of anyone’s control but for the logical minded these three things alone.. without even mentioning the coverup and all the lies.. are enough to prove pre-meditation.

      • Commerce1
        04/26/2013 at 1:36 am

        Don’t forget the cell phone conveniently dead from the time she left California until she had finished her evil work in Arizona and made her way to Nevada. What single woman driving alone on a road trip does not have her cell phone charged, on, and readily available? I’ll tell you who…..one who is attempting to commit murder undetected.

      • 04/26/2013 at 1:37 am

        it was just a list of three.. not meant to be in any way list of everything.

      • 04/26/2013 at 5:26 am

        Thanks guys for your replies. I have been arguing with a friend who believes Jodi is 100% guilty and deserves death however, for everything i list as proof of pre-med he has an excuse to explain it away. Exanple: gas cans needed for extra gas bc she’s a woman alone driving through the dessert and may need gas. Gun: No proof it was her grandfathers. Gun didn’t need to be registered in Mesa so her story of it being Travis’s gun can’t be dismissed. Yadda yadda..He said it’s all coincidental no rock solid evidence.

        The guys on HLN also had great answers for every single piece of pre-meditated evidence the state has. They had me pretty convinced after I listened to all they said. I do know it’s all BS though and i know she’s totally guilty but hearing what they said was def a good fight. I pray the jury is smart and has common sense to see the truth. I think I’m still so scarred from the Casey trial I have myself convinced this jury is going to fail us too. I hope I’m wrong. I look forward to reading what everyone thinks about Wormi’s witness on Wednesday and then the closings. I love coming on here everynight but now we have a 5 day lull. 😦

        Have a good weekend everyone! See you all next week.

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 10:29 am

      Welcome Bailey Good to the School of Donchais which comes with it’s own safe sandbox and playground. We are all obsessed with this trial and seeing the justice is served for Travis and the Alexander family.

      Don’t worry about any questions or posts because since this has been going on for so long, we all have memory lapses in memory or what we think are weird questions. There are always numerous people who are able to jump right in with the information you want.

      Glad you finally joined us!!! 😀

      • kristin
        04/26/2013 at 2:37 pm

        Sometimes I feel like the hyper hypo from Saturday night live when I’m in donchais’s sandbox:) Anyone else remember mike myers skit?

  77. Jay
    04/25/2013 at 10:09 pm

    Just saw this on
    http://www.azcentral.com/community/mesa/articles/20130425arias-murder-trial-third-juror-released.html

    “Trial resumes Wednesday, when both sides bring in psychologists to debate whether Arias suffers from Borderline Personality Disorder. ”

    Is this a reporting error, or are we going to have dueling psychologist testimony Wednesday?!?

    • 04/25/2013 at 10:18 pm

      only fair it should be both sides so I hope this is correcrt. One side makes absolutely no sense to me

    • Observer
      04/26/2013 at 12:43 am

      The reporter is wrong. There will be no debate between psychologists. That’s not how criminal court works. The state has rested. The defense will put on their limited sur rebuttal case Wednesday. A defense psychologist will rebut Dr. DeMarte’s diagnosis of BPD. The state will not be bringing in another psychologist. Martinez will impeach the defense expert like he did the other two.

  78. 04/25/2013 at 10:17 pm

    I can’t see one legitimate reason for another witness on this subject for the defense considering the 46455477 days we have all wept through already.

    It’s to cover Wilmotts atrocious cross that highlighted her lack of knowledge on Dr DeDmartes testimony. I do not see why another witness should be allowed just to bail out her woeful display.

    • Jay
      04/25/2013 at 10:35 pm

      When Dr DeMartes brought in the BPD Diagnosis out of the blue like that she opened the door to re rebuttal. As a rebuttal witness to ALV she wasn’t supposed to do that. Willmott needs to discredit that diagnosis and re establish PTSD as a sentencing strategy to lessen the chance of a death penalty verdict.

      If both shrinks testify I’m going to play this as background to the streaming video:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8reNgcIVFU

      • 04/25/2013 at 10:40 pm

        Dr Demarte woul dhve submitted a report and the defense woul dhave interviewed her. Just as Juan interviewed demarte and dodgy.

        Where is the evidence this didnt’ happen? I have never seen anything along those line.. if someone has information about this plse post it.

      • Marilyn N
        04/25/2013 at 10:43 pm

        How does a diagnosis of PTSD discount the premeditation and slaughter, if the PTSD was caused from the event?
        How would that affect the sentence?

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/25/2013 at 11:03 pm

        Dr. D submitted her report to the Duh-fence team as she alluded to when crossed by Willanurmi. Also Willanurmi mentioned their meeting with Dr. D two weeks prior to her appearance. So they knew! Also, Dr. D told them that Elmer Fudd had identified a personality disorder but did not pursue….hence the BPD. They knew…it wasn’t sprung on them.

      • 04/25/2013 at 11:17 pm

        correction to my comment above.. that should read “just as Juan interviewed Dodgy and Lala”

      • Moon
        04/25/2013 at 11:39 pm

        i thought the objective of Dr. D was to refute PSTD and DV. which she successfully did. Not to mention that it the DUH fenses own witness who tried to skim over the “other personality disorder NOS” and yes, they had her report. duhfense opened the door, not Dr D.!!! also, they don’t have a chance now of paying some smuck me that will try to rebutt Dr. H, right??

      • Jay
        04/25/2013 at 11:54 pm

        Syntara :
        Dr Demarte woul dhve submitted a report and the defense woul dhave interviewed her. Just as Juan interviewed demarte and dodgy.
        Where is the evidence this didnt’ happen? I have never seen anything along those line.. if someone has information about this plse post it.

        This from ABC TV-15 affiliate in Arizona:

        “DeMarte also says Arias has borderline personality disorder.
        It’s this diagnosis Arias’ defense team cites is new information and gives them the right to call another witness.”

        Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/Jodi-Arias-trial-Defense-team-asking-judge-to-allow-lesser-charges#ixzz2RXLjGFrh

        Again, JDM was a rebuttal witness to ALV, who never presented that diagnosis. Under the rules of evidence that opened the door to the surrebuttal. There was additional discussion of this on US TV. Most of those commentators said it was only a tiny wiggle room of ‘new evidence’ but the overcautious judge allowed it. And it wouldn’t have mattered if JDM told the defense in advance, it’s what she testified to the jury in court that matters.

      • HJ Madison
        04/26/2013 at 12:21 am

        Jay my pal ….. DeMarte was listed as a rebuttal witness ALL ALONG! See the court minute entries. The Defense had her report in 2011 AND they interviewed her in January of this year! She came in specifically to rebut both LaLa and Dr. Dodgy. The Defense knew it … and they were never guaranteed a surrebuttal. The judge just gave it to them …. I suppose to once again preclude reversal. Why did they not use this Geffner instead of LaLa in their case in chief?

  79. Kristy
    04/25/2013 at 10:17 pm

    I don’t think anything said by the hired gun will change things in regard to Jodi lying and coming up with all her convenient stories to disprove per-meditation.

  80. 04/25/2013 at 10:22 pm

    As we all know, JA played the jury and the camera with her fake crying of today’s autopsy photos. She was sneaking peeks…Wouldn’t she have seen them before via her attorneys. That would also go for all other exhibits, including in her preytrial, spelling on purpose, planning! Does prosecution share photos/other evidence beforehand so as not to be surprised?

    • NancyB
      04/25/2013 at 11:15 pm

      Oh Yes! There are NO surprises for the defense! They have had ALL the pics for y-e-a-r-s.

  81. 04/25/2013 at 10:26 pm

    Another thought: If she’s in jail with supposed restrictions and privileges, how did she manage a girlfriend? Must be her roommate. I’m thinking also due to Arpaio’s iron hand. He would esp be watching her due to this high profile case….although she’s loving jail. Floors me.

    • Jay
      04/25/2013 at 10:39 pm

      She’s loving it now because of all the attention focused on her. She won’t be loving it once she’s convicted and the media spotlight shifts elsewhere

    • Marilyn N
      04/25/2013 at 10:52 pm

      The jail is pretty loose. They have a common room and are not always sitting in their cell.
      I can envision them all sitting in a circle with Jodi enthralling them with her stories.

      • Kathy A.
        04/26/2013 at 1:12 pm

        Really? I know here in Pima County, which is south of Maricopa, the jail has a segregated section where they house high-profile inmates or high-risk inmates like police officers to keep them safe from the general population, while they are awaiting or going through trial. I don’t know how Sheriff Joe does it in Maricopa, though.

  82. Kristy
    04/25/2013 at 10:29 pm

    Does Jodi ever cry where we see any red around her eyes? It seems she always cries with her hair covering her face. One would think she should actually look like she’s cried,or does she always wait for jurors to leave before bringing up her face that is devoid of any crying jag?

    • 04/25/2013 at 10:31 pm

      Jodi doesn’t even know how to cry. That says it all.

      • Marilyn N
        04/25/2013 at 10:50 pm

        Plus she has looked extra pathetic the last couple of days with ultra stringy hair and the ugliest outfits in her wardrobe. This following the days she was all fixed up while Dr. D was on the stand.

    • GATEWAY
      04/26/2013 at 12:17 am

      Kristy, I have always felt the same as you about her phony crying. If you watched todays trial
      and any other for that matter, there are never any REAL liquid tears comming out of her eyes.
      EVER!!!!! It’s all an act. I would bet the farm that there has not been a teaspoon of tears during this whole ordeal.

  83. 04/25/2013 at 10:53 pm

    Chrissie find. Passing it on:

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/25/2013 at 11:29 pm

      Wow….that was powerful!! Thanks for posting. The BITCH needs to die!!

    • Marilyn N
      04/25/2013 at 11:32 pm

      And now I hate her even more!!!!!!!

    • Moon
      04/26/2013 at 12:01 am

      ty ty and ty chrissie. wow…. she is one twisted %^&&*(()*^%^*())

      i wonder how many calls, texts, im’s between may 26th and jun 3??

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/26/2013 at 12:10 am

        According to testimony there were 14 unanswered calls to Travis, however she says only 9!! Haha….of course!!

    • 04/26/2013 at 7:25 am

      WOW as clear cut as it gets. As long as the jury don’t feel they have to answer why this happened, just know it did and how she set it up, then there should be a very quick decision. I hadn’t seen some of those photos but the jury has and will have them while deliberating, not a lot to deliberate on those photos, cruel violent murder of Travis = Death Penalty

  84. Schaeffer
    04/25/2013 at 11:04 pm

    Originally, I wasn’t even going to waste time on the ridiculous idea that WOBO was pregnant; however, I have just had a horrifying thought. She is a perfect example of the psycho-bitch who would claim being pregnant to trap a man, fake a pregnancy for months, then cut the fetus out of a pregnant woman when the time came. Had things not transpired the way they did, there is no doubt in my mind she would have eventually tried to pull this off this very scenario.

  85. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/25/2013 at 11:04 pm

    Jay :
    When Dr DeMartes brought in the BPD Diagnosis out of the blue like that she opened the door to re rebuttal. As a rebuttal witness to ALV she wasn’t supposed to do that. Willmott needs to discredit that diagnosis and re establish PTSD as a sentencing strategy to lessen the chance of a death penalty verdict.
    If both shrinks testify I’m going to play this as background to the streaming video:


    Dr. D submitted her report to the Duh-fence team as she alluded to when crossed by Willanurmi. Also Willanurmi mentioned their meeting with Dr. D two weeks prior to her appearance. So they knew! Also, Dr. D told them that Elmer Fudd had identified a personality disorder but did not pursue….hence the BPD. They knew…it wasn’t sprung on them.

  86. 04/25/2013 at 11:06 pm

    Ci Ci’s Circle :
    Dr. D submitted her report to the Duh-fence team as she alluded to when crossed by Willanurmi. Also Willanurmi mentioned their meeting with Dr. D two weeks prior to her appearance. So they knew! Also, Dr. D told them that Elmer Fudd had identified a personality disorder but did not pursue….hence the BPD. They knew…it wasn’t sprung on them.

    Zeagactly!! so this ” they didn’t know” is a complete furphy!!

  87. 04/25/2013 at 11:24 pm

    Marilyn N :
    How does a diagnosis of PTSD discount the premeditation and slaughter, if the PTSD was caused from the event?
    How would that affect the sentence?

    Marilyn, you must have missed it.. as I said before the PTSD is in there for three main reasons (1) and (3) are the biggiest to Jodi.. and (2) is the crucial element that makes it ‘appear’ legitimate.

    1. So she can claim the amnesia “fog”

    2. So it links directly with the Domestic Violence accusations. (ptsd related to domestic violence is legitimate in a lot of cases)

    3. PTSD also helps Jodi with her main aim – to kill Travis again via character assassination. By claiming this, it conveniently necessitates the history of ‘abuse’.

    If you didn’t want this answer pfffftt you got it anyhow! 😛

    • Marilyn N
      04/25/2013 at 11:31 pm

      I know, but it still doesn’t discount her planning of the murder!
      What, she supposedly has an excuse because of the (in her mind) violence that drove
      her to driving 1,000 miles to get abused more?
      I do get it, but just don’t see how it can fly as a legitimate excuse!
      Am I missing something?????
      Pffftt – I can take any answer you want to give. 😊😊😊
      (did you get a good nite’s sleep??

      • 04/25/2013 at 11:38 pm

        yes dahling!! I got sleep… 😀

        and it doesn’t but Im just talking from her bullcr@p defense perspective!!

        They had to come up with some crap defense cos there is nothing legitimate they can come up with so this is it.. the lala land crap, dr dogdy’s scribble graph and now this new guy who as far as I can see is just going to say more of that same garbage.

        It’s all bullshitzens! Don’t even bother with it! Hope that’s wht the jury does.. just say well that’s a load of crap let’s look at the real issues in this and decide on those.

      • Marilyn N
        04/25/2013 at 11:43 pm

        Yes, all we can do is HOPE the jury gets it.
        Pleeeeeeeeeze jury, be smart!!!!
        Please please please please please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        04/25/2013 at 11:52 pm

        Marilyn….it is very frustrating for all of us because we are on the outside looking in! You are not missing anything. You are privy to everything we all know…..SHE’S GUILTY OF 1ST/PRE MED. We see what the jury is missing but we can only hope that they see the whole picture. It is out of our hands as frustrating as it may be to us, but we have to trust in them. We in our little group try to take the high road to keep us sane and grounded. We are trusting in the jury to do a way with her. We watched Syntara’s video she posted and it helped.

      • Marilyn N
        04/26/2013 at 12:46 am

        It will be good to have a few days off to decompress!

    • Moon
      04/26/2013 at 12:03 am

      that is so f’d up………

    • Moon
      04/26/2013 at 12:06 am

      i guess i should clarify:::: this is in response to syn’s post… not that she’s nailed it for what the duhfense is doing…. but the fact they are DOING it is what’s F’d up. just sayin…

  88. Kristy
    04/25/2013 at 11:40 pm

    Jodi thinks she’s freaking Roxie hart from Chicago. She’s a sick puppy.

  89. Ci Ci's Circle
    04/25/2013 at 11:42 pm

    Bailey Good :
    I’m new here so please forgive me if I make duplicate posts or errors. I have been reading this site for a long time now and really enjoy the trial recaps and everyone’s discussion.. I’m obsessed with this trial and my family is about to kick me outta the house ha ha. Thank god you understand me
    Anyways, my question/concern is about the premeditated evidence or should I say lack of evidence…The DT has some good excuses as to why Jodi needed gas cans, no actual proof of her taking gun from GP’s house, hair dye, etc..I am SOOOO completely a wreck over this because this could be their escape. I personally don’t think they are going to give her 1st degree. Please tell me I’m wrong!? Tell me the evidence they have to slam dunk pre-med murder. She deserves nothing less than a torture chamber but please at least tell me I’m missing something here. If this turns into another Casey Anthony joke I for one will be giving up on the whole justice system!!!

    Hello Baily….and welcome! If you have doubts take a look at the video Syntary posted above. Many people have taken the time to piece together Jodi’s actions with regard to her trip to AZ. The only thing in concrete is the fact she killed Travis, however time and time again her actions BEFORE and AFTER speak for themselves! When you add this to her lies, it paints a pretty picture. We encourage you….watch the video and then ask yourself if you have doubts. One thing we know, it will be in the jury’s hands for them to find their way through all the evidence! People have been convicted on much less and circumstantial evidence. We can only hope that God will guide them to see what we see. Sorry for the rant, but we old hens have had enough of this sorry excuse for a human being!!

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      04/25/2013 at 11:44 pm

      Sorry Syntara…misspelled your name! I’d blame word check but then I’d sound like JA!!

      • 04/26/2013 at 1:25 am

        CC’sC no need for apologies.. I fully empathise!! Have you seen my typos when on my ipad??? 😆

    • Marilyn N
      04/25/2013 at 11:47 pm

      And for comical, but very true explanations of trial tidbits, youtube up Mikee Daniels.
      I just love that guy!!!!! Wish the jurors could listen to him!!!

      • 04/26/2013 at 12:29 am

        Note To Tracey and Chrissie See??????? see????? Marilyn is smarter than you and obviously has a much better sense of humour!!!! :rolls:

      • 04/26/2013 at 12:30 am

        oops soz.. only the names were supposed to be bolded! siiiigh excuse me! Got carried away!

    • Moon
      04/26/2013 at 12:09 am

      From your mouths to God’s ear.

    • HJ Madison
      04/26/2013 at 1:40 am

      You ladies just have a way with words! 😉 Well said.

  90. 04/25/2013 at 11:44 pm

    Good evening all – First I have to thank donchais with all my heart for enduring all this for us and the great recaps.

    Do you all remember Brian Carr – he was the one visiting JA in jail – well I found an article and he says that JA told him it was a blood atonement ritual and that the mormons did it and she is not saying anything out of fear – Im going to try an paste the link to the story. So now that is 4 stories.

    http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/03/09/jodi-arias-friend-killing-was-mormon-blood-atonement-plot/

    • Marilyn N
      04/25/2013 at 11:49 pm

      Ya, and the guy was serious!!! Brian Carr and Dono(he/she) are the kind of wonderful people
      JA attracts these days!

    • Moon
      04/26/2013 at 12:13 am

      well more like 5… given the book she is “writing” is to explain it was a fantasy of Travis’ to reinact physco movie. It’s Hitch’s fault now, doncha know?

    • 04/26/2013 at 12:39 am

      Since reading that archaic blood atonement post ages ago. jad referred me to it.. I have always thought that could definitely account for the throat slash. It never made sense to me until I saw that post.. (think it is early march so probably could have been posted in view of this article)… someone then researched it and did confirm it with an obscure anti-mormon archaic reference)

      jad probably could repost information about this although the comments Im referring to were not actually made by jad. I may even have post numbers if anyone is interested.

      The question is: How would Brian Carr even know about that if Jodi had not told him? it’s hard to find ….even when you deliberately research it let alone happening to stumble on it.

      This says Jodi knew about the ‘ritual’.

      • 04/26/2013 at 12:58 am

        Syn first of all hi – now gear up your great brain,

        I made a comment to you back in March after reading the police report and it stated that religious under garments were also in the washer (they are pure white with symbols – some mormons call them protection under garments – I think). The police report stated that Travis was the only one in the house that wore religious under garments. I asked you if JA possibly wore these and performed her own version of the blood atonement ritual on Travis. Maybe that is why in the one photo he looks shocked and fearful. Also didn’t one of Travis roommates say that on June 4 Travis was performing a protection ritual – do you think he had a feeling of what might happen to him?

      • 04/26/2013 at 1:16 am

        yeah I dunno … I’ve ask about this protection ritual and not had an answer about it. I have no idea what this is or what it entails.

        Observer is the one who should be able to explain this.

        At first on that question I erroneously thought you were referring to the robe rather than an under garment. It is, to me, in line with her way of thinking and could be possible. Depends how hard it was for her to get to the undergarments and wear them. PUt it this way, from a psychological point of view it’d be right in character with something she’d do but there is no way of saying she did it. If the undergarments were in the washing machine lends to further things that make you go hmmmm moments.

      • 04/26/2013 at 1:19 am

        CI – If it was not you that suggested she might have been wearing the undergarments forgive this post. I think it was though?

      • 04/26/2013 at 1:31 am

        Plus CI… There is nothing in the police report about this ritual… so any idea where this information comes from. I know his friends said it… but to whom? when? and exactly who said it?

      • 04/26/2013 at 3:23 am

        Hi Syn,

        Yep it was me. I needed to hear what a professional might think of her twisted way of thinking.

      • 04/26/2013 at 3:24 am

        I think one of the roommates said it in an interview but not sure.

  91. Moon
    04/26/2013 at 12:18 am

    I typically like Dr. Drew’s show best of the HLN evening line up, but I found myself screaming at the TV (Good thing I live alone lol)It’s ridiculas that we are being informed the reason we are so wrapped up in this is cuz the ho is so so beautiful?? REally? I call total BS on that.

    another screaming point for me: why do these people and many others tend to believe that the HO and Travis had sex all day long b4 the killing? These folks sure seem to believe ev word that evil ho spews about the SEX! I will continue to believe they didn’t have sex that day, the the ho took her own garage shots… that she staged the pics with TA and the KY.
    and that he didn’t answer the door to her, she snuck in.

    • 04/26/2013 at 12:38 am

      Moon, I also believe she took the pictures . Some men and women like to sleep in the raw, One of the pics looks like he is sleeping.

  92. Moon
    04/26/2013 at 12:24 am

    are we sure that the duhfense only has one more witness??

  93. Moon
    04/26/2013 at 12:37 am

    premeditation and consciousness of guilt. the needle will be just.. but she deserves so much more. an eye for an eye…..

  94. Moon
    04/26/2013 at 1:05 am

    welllll ok… good night good people! happy trails

    • 04/26/2013 at 1:22 am

      nighty night moon *** waves***

  95. 04/26/2013 at 1:10 am

    Further to the blood atonement reference.

    This is quoted from WIS #276 14 March 2013 in this trial section:

    “The Executioner’s Song”) titled “Shot In The Heart”.

    The idea–or the indoctrination– is summed up as follows (during a scene where in the film version of his narrative, the scenes of Gary’s execution in 1977 are interspersed with flashbacks to a dark night in Utah in the nineteenth century.

    A man is dragged screaming from his cabin by a group of Danites – who Mikal called Brigham Young’s “secret protectors, police, and avengers” – and held over a hole in the ground while his throat is slit. Mikal and Gary’s mother can be heard over both scenes: :

    “Would you love that man or woman enough to shed their blood? This is loving our neighbor as ourselves. If he needs help, help him. And if he wants salvation, and if he should commit an offense that requires you to spill his blood on the earth in order that he be saved, spill it. That is the way to love mankind.”

    Now think of this in particular
    “Would you love that man or woman enough to shed their blood?”

    My feeling when I read this:

    Eerie. In her twisted mind this is like giving her permission to slit his throat if she loves him yet feels he has wronged. In reality her ‘love’ is more akin to possession.

    This could well be why she slit his throat and I think it was supposed to be the final act but somehow his body convulsed or twitched she thought he was still alive hence the final shot to the head. Perhaps subsequently thinking this could also point to two perpetrators. Or maybe she just realised there was a huge mess and thought of it there and then. Either way the shot was not in her preferred original plan unless absolutely necessary.

    • 04/26/2013 at 1:31 am

      Oh Syn this is creepy gives me chills, considering how twisted her mind is.

    • 04/26/2013 at 1:34 am

      another thing..

      held over a hole in the ground while his throat is slit

      Did she mean him to crumple to the floor of the shower after the first stab to the heart.. then slit his neck over the drain letting the blood run down it… ie simulating the “hole in the ground”?

      • Chrissie A
        04/26/2013 at 11:46 am

        Excellent points!!! I agree, plus I also think she took the gun as a back up, not necessarily for Travis, for someone else if they walked in on her during the planned attack.

    • HJ Madison
      04/26/2013 at 1:49 am

      Hi Syntara: I was going to comment to you about Gary Gilmore. He was executed by firing squad in Utah. In fact, Utah permitted death by firing squad as recently as 2010. Blood Atonement is a well known part of Mormon history and no doubt Jodistein knows all about it. That slash to TA’s throat …. while his heart was still beating …. just makes one wonder ….

    • Tracey A
      04/26/2013 at 2:29 am

      Whoa! Powerful stuff here. Seriously!!! Agreed! Wow!

    • WhereIsSHE
      04/26/2013 at 1:42 pm

      Syn-
      I’m glad you resurrected my original post about the atonement ritual.
      Not only because it is a fascinating topic for discussion, but also because I want to make it clear that I was never saying this type of ritual was ever sanctioned by or approved of by the mainstream Mormon church. This atonement ritual was referenced in both The Executioner’s Song, and by Gary Gilmore’s brother, Mikal Gilmore, in his book about his family history/his brother’s death sentence, “Shot In The Heart”.
      I think we can all agree that Jodi was never really sincere about being a Mormon; that it was justa way to gain entry into Travis’ life. But as much as she reads and then twists things for her own manipulative purposes, it just struck me that there were marked similarities between some of what she did to Travis and to the absurd story being floated by that friend of hers who was all over HLN (and any other media outlet who would have him), i.e. that a bunch of Mormons had killed Travis and that Jodi was keeping it alto herself in order to “protect her family”.
      How stupid one would have to be in order to believe that nonsense, I can only imagine.

      But back to another topic:
      Syn- if you are around and get a chance, would you offer your opinion as to whether or not Jodi may have (perhaps intentionally or perhaps subconsciously) WANTED people to see those photos of her, naked, on Travis’ bed, etc.
      Can you speak to the idea that perhaps she didn’t just want to murder him /take his very life, but that she wanted even MORE than that, i.e. that she wanted to do whatever she could to ENTIRELY destroy him, including his reputation in the Mormon community and his character for all the world to see.
      *Not saying she accomplished such a sick and twisted goal, but saying it could appear as though she has done everything she could in order to completely destroy him/his good name.

      • 04/26/2013 at 1:47 pm

        WIS – this goes to me saying.. Jodistein is still fighting Travis. To her this is STILL about beating him. It’s also all related to why I believe there was no pre-emptive BPD diagnosis by the defense. See my posts on this page about this and previously.

  96. Tracey A
    04/26/2013 at 1:17 am

    Syntara :
    Note To Tracey and Chrissie See??????? see????? Marilyn is smarter than you and obviously has a much better sense of humour!!!! :rolls:

    🙄 Sorry you are being dragged into this Marilyn. 😀 Chrissie and I find Mikee D mildly amusing. I love some of his points but the Fu Manchu accent drives me crazy after awhile. I’d rather listen to Syn blather on in type with his accent then hear it.

    Signed sincerely,

    Sally Slap Cabbage 😆

    • 04/26/2013 at 1:22 am

      off to find best crip now! Had sripped my mind. 😛

      • Marilyn N
        04/26/2013 at 10:11 am

        Oh Duh!!! I just realized what you meant by best “crip”!!!

    • Chrissie A
      04/26/2013 at 3:00 am

      Hey Sally!!! Popping in to do a quick dump 😈 Waiting to see the clip that Syn finds which may enlighten us, would be good to watch together?

      Signed sincerely,

      Dolly Clackett 😛

    • 04/26/2013 at 7:36 am

      Clearly it’s Aussie humor, I think he’s hilarious 😆

      • 04/26/2013 at 9:41 am

        😀

  97. SeniorMoments
    04/26/2013 at 1:31 am

    Hi Everyone! I am interested in the answer to Moon’s question above. Do we know for sure that thereis only one witness in the surrebuttal? Could the DT put on a witness to counter yesterday’s or today’s witnesses? In any case, they have to submit reports to the prosecutor, right? Or are they exempt from that in surrebuttal? Thanks!

    • 04/26/2013 at 1:37 am

      Jay posted some reference yesterday to the pros being allowed to rebut whatever the def witness says.

      So guess we will all have to wait and see what actually happens unless more definitive information comes to hand.

      • Tracey A
        04/26/2013 at 2:42 am

        I believe the Judge is limiting the DT rebuttal witness. She is only going to allow a limited rebuttal with limited cross. That’s just my take. But I think the Judge is finally putting her foot down. She dictated a very clear scope with dates of Closing Arguments already scheduled. Let’s see if she can adhere to her own ruling.

        And here’s my question…Wurmi was the one that got up ages ago and said that 4:30 had to the the “drop dead” end of the day’s trial. His choice words were not lost on me. The Judge, however said, that trial may go beyond: I suspect JA is going to suffer a migraine to delay this yet again if she doesn’t get her yummy PB&J or bologna sandwich on a french roll in a timely fashion. She’s still going to try to control this freak show.

        And the Judge already advised Jurors that next week they could go beyond the 4:30-5:00 mark. We shall see, but I see a delay for migraine in the works.

      • WhereIsSHE
        04/26/2013 at 1:57 pm

        Tracey-
        I never heard Wurmi comment about a “drop dead” end of trial, but if he did–ages ago, as you state– what he was likely referring to was April 30th (04/30/13), and not a time of day.
        The onl reason I can imagine he would have a firm date to suggest to the court would be if he is “attached” for another trial after that date and he requirees time to prepare or has been ordered by another court to make an in court “appearance”.
        For a guy who MIGHT (just a guess) be required to be elsewhere soon, he sure took his T-I-M-E- TIME when questioning witnesses.
        Good Lord, I have never seen anything like it.

      • Jim
        04/26/2013 at 3:30 pm

        Tracey is ABSOLUTELY correct about her reference. Wurmi emphatically stated to the court that each day’s session must end no later than 4:30pm local time, as his client is subject to both migraines, and a poor diet supplied by the county.

        As for the actual end of the trial, 4/30 would not be correct either as the court’s estimate projected an end date of 4/11

  98. Tracey A
    04/26/2013 at 1:34 am

    Brought over from previous thread from NancyB:

    Here is the part of the transcript from Dr Drew & Paul Stern -From Feb. 6, 2013

    Joining me, Paul Stern, who I`d said worked with her. I was wrong about that. He got know Jodi in 2008 before she killed Travis.

    I guess, Paul, she worked at the Ventana Inn up in Big Sur and you were a customer there. She was a bartender, is that correct?

    PAUL STERN, KNEW JODI ARIAS (via telephone): I own a house there. So, she frequented a bar and grill and restaurant every night to get on the computer.

    PINSKY: So, she was not — well, hold on a second. So, she was not an employee of this place. You guys both just went to this inn, this restaurant?

    STERN: Yes. She was an employee of Ventana but I wasn`t. I just lived there.

    PINSKY: I see. And you actually loaned her the money that ended up on the trip where she actually killed Travis?

    STERN: Well, the day before she left, she was pretty frantic that she had to go back and see Travis, and she talked about how he was seeing other people and she asked to borrow money and I gave her money.

    PINSKY: Paul, when you say she was frantic, describe how you — who you thought she was and what you mean by frantic.

    STERN: Well, I spent a lot of hours with Jodi. She would sit right next to me.

    And you know more about Jodi by what she doesn`t say. She never talked about her family, her friends, her boyfriends, her hobbies. And she never talked about her feelings or emotions.

    WALSH: What did she talk about?

    STERN: But she was on the computer constantly and she kept a journal. She would show me pictures on the computer. There had to be thousands of them. I only looked at a few.

    But I really wasn`t interested in time that much in her pictures.

    PINSKY: In spite of her talking about her obsessions — by the way, did she pay you back?

    STERN: She did pay me back.

    PINSKY: OK. And despite her talking about the obsessions about the boyfriend, was she sexually provocative with you?

    STERN: No. No. I have a girlfriend that I`m still with at that time. And I`m not available. And I think she sensed that.

    PINSKY: OK, so fair enough.

    STERN: She would come and sit next to me whenever she was in there.

    PINSKY: OK. Casey —

    STERN: And —

    PINSKY: What, Paul? Finish that up.

    STERN: When you engage in conversation with Jodi and look into her eyes, it`s like looking in a two-way mirror. But Jodi`s looking at the reflective part of the mirror. And her eye beams never really meet your eyes.

    And she`s very coy, enigmatic, and very articulate. And she`s also the same way about how she dresses, postures herself, and what she does without saying any words.

    PINSKY: OK, Paul, I`m going to put you on hold for a second.

    Casey, I see you shaking your head. What are your thoughts on this?

    CASEY JORDAN, CRIMINOLOGIST: Well, a few things. First of all, it`s great to hear from Paul Stern the fact that she had to borrow the money because she was obsessed about getting to Travis Alexander because she was in the middle of a terrible break-up and this was simply not acceptable to her. So his description of her obsession is really on cue with what we know happened thereafter.

    But that blank look in her eyes is what we very often call in sociology and criminology Cooley`s looking-glass self. It`s part of her chameleon and her actress affect. She`s constantly gauging or scanning whoever she`s talking to.

    And without even thinking about it, she mirrors back. We see her do it all the time in court. We see her do it with her defense attorney, even looking like her all the time.

    But she wants to know what will please people. This is a behavior she probably learned in her childhood. The bottom line is, he noticed it even though he wasn`t involved with her.

    WALSH: And Dr. Drew, isn`t that a survival instinct for many people who have survived child abuse?

    PINSKY: That`s right. It makes sense in the context, this kind of abuse.

    But, Casey, what`s it called? What`s the syndrome called? Cooley`s looking glass?

    JORDAN: We call it the Cooley`s looking-glass self. It means we are reflective and reactive. We are constantly modifying and interacting with everyone we communicate with, but some people take it to a much higher level to where they don`t even know who they are or what they —

    PINSKY: That — Casey, all right, Casey, I`ve got to go to a break. But I want you to take me from that syndrome to how we get somebody who is a murderer in your mind.

    Thank you, Paul Stern. Very enlightening.

    NancyB Thanks for posting this. This is exactly what I thought may have happened. JA went to Ventana in Big Sur to borrow money from anyone should could and then continued south on Pacific Coast Hwy (PCH). I would venture a guess, because JA knew enough people at Ventana, that she might have borrowed a shower and this is where she could have dyed her hair back to brunette, but that’s simply a guess.

    WTG NancyB! Thank you Girl! 😀

    • WhereIsSHE
      04/26/2013 at 2:33 pm

      If Paul Stern “got to know Jodi in 2008”, –as Dr. Drew is quoted as saying in this transcript–then his story doesn’t make sense. She didn’t live anywhere near Ventana in 2008 such that she would be a “regular” at a local bar down in the Big Sur area in 2008. She hadn’t lived in that area, as I understand it, since 2007.
      Perhaps Dr. Drew was just wrong and Stern never got an opportunity to correct him, but there had to be SOMETHING off (worse than a drug possession charge, referring to the charge against someone of that same name in 2009 per the research of our resident star paralegal, kCruz123) for Juan to keep such incriminating premeditation evidence out of the state’s case in chief.

      • NancyB
        04/26/2013 at 3:16 pm

        And you are sure that Juan even knows this man exists????

  99. 04/26/2013 at 2:18 am

    Jodi’s goose looks Cooked to this little Canadian!! and about time too! We have been waiting for this to end mainly for the sake of Travis’s family and finally we’re getting to the conclusion. Only 2 weeks to go and a verdict!!!
    Have faith folks, it will be first degree murder because Travis will get his justice in the end.
    You can mark my words on that !!!

  100. 04/26/2013 at 2:44 am

    Just Curious:
    Does anyone here go and get their nails done right before they head off to kill their ex-lover?
    i would be willing to bet it was a dye job on her phony blond hair that took place and no dam nail appt, after all she knew what she was about to do and you sure as h-ll wouldn’t go
    and get your nails done!!! Not in my world!!!

    • 04/26/2013 at 8:26 am

      lol wtf??? that first line after “just curious” sets a premise of us regularly going off to kill our ex lovers! 😯

    • 04/26/2013 at 9:44 am

      Morning everyone. Maybe she also had the Brazilian done at that time as well.

      • 04/26/2013 at 10:58 am

        good point

  101. Tracey A
    04/26/2013 at 3:03 am

    From Jay: brought over from last thread
    04/25/2013 at 8:51 am | #238
    Quote

    Huh?? What part?
    Re: Post# 230

    Both…1) I only heard that JA deleted individual photos no “menu erase detected”

    And 2…If JA took the gun and knife why would she not take the camera as well. If she was worried about fingerprints on the cam, then she would take it with her. Throwing it in the washer was to simply destroy the cam and it’s contents. Not the fingerprints. She coulda wiped those off easily.

    But I think Chrissie answered it far better than I did.

  102. NancyB
    • Chrissie A
      04/26/2013 at 3:46 am

      Not, surprised, she’d drive anyone to drink 😛

      • Tracey A
        04/26/2013 at 4:11 am

        Hey Baby Girl! Good morning!

      • Chrissie A
        04/26/2013 at 11:14 am

        Hey Honey!! Now it’s the new morning, time to get this show on the road 🙂

      • 04/26/2013 at 6:22 am

        good find by the way Nancy! Thanks for posting much appreciated.

        and hello you two others by the way 😀

    • Chrissie A
      04/26/2013 at 3:48 am

      Also, if it was him, it’s good that he fessed up, rather than them finding out later.

    • 04/26/2013 at 6:21 am

      Now this sounds more like we are getting to the real story.

    • Chrissie A
      04/26/2013 at 11:48 am

      Thanks for posting this Nancy 🙂

  103. g2-39a285988784124f521a8a3348848626
    04/26/2013 at 4:55 am

    I’m not worried about Mr Martinez not finding evidence for premeditation. It’s that I’m worried the jury will go soft on the DP decision. Cause she’s a woman. Quite frankly, don’t hate me, as much as I am pro prosecution. I can see Jodi Arias as misguided and I’m sure she knows she’s done wrong. Nothing an bring back Travis. But at least we know there was a decent human being who lived amongst us! Justice for Travis!

    • 04/26/2013 at 8:22 am

      she doesn’t know she has done wrong. She internally justifies it all. She is not misguided. She knows exactly what she is doing. That’s the nature of a manipulative personality.

      • kristin
        04/26/2013 at 3:03 pm

        hi syn! Is lying a characteristic trait of people with BPD?

      • 04/26/2013 at 3:19 pm

        No. Which is another reason I think this does true BPD suffers a disservice. While like any part of society they can be liars it is not part of the diagnosis criteria and some BPD sufferers are not liars

    • HJ Madison
      04/26/2013 at 9:03 am

      Not to be rude, but what trial have you been watching? “…misguided … she knows she’s done wrong…” who are you kidding? This woman is an evil, attention-seeking pariah who was arrested with a 9 mm gun HIDDEN in her rental car. She has no remorse, as clearly demonstrated by her courtroom antics, and deserves only to ROT IN HELL.

      • 04/26/2013 at 9:39 am

        *medicinal vodka* here dahhling.. take a shot of this you need to calm down! 😆 😀

  104. 04/26/2013 at 7:00 am

    Essem :
    Oh to be a fly on the wall in that jury room and be able to report back here

    OMG Essem! I am RIGHT there with you!!!

    • 04/26/2013 at 7:55 am

      can you imagine if we humans could step through the time-continuum and morph into flies… how many flies would be on that wall???

      • 04/26/2013 at 8:02 am

        And with that big pile of horse shit we’d be a happy swarm and if the jury start to lose their way we could start buzzing in their ears DDDDDDDDDDDDPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP and land on pics and evidence in strategic spots to remind them of the critical issues.

      • Chrissie A
        04/26/2013 at 11:50 am

        A shiteload 😛

  105. Wendy
    04/26/2013 at 8:25 am

    Good morning!! Ok I know this has probably been answered but I’m behind, what happens to this site when the trial is over? Will everyone still be here or is this it?

    • 04/26/2013 at 8:27 am

      hurro Wendy 🙂

    • 04/26/2013 at 9:49 am

      Wendy, I’m with you. Well, I don’t know about anyone else, but I plan to still come here! I don’t see why not. It is nice to find such free thinking, amazingly smart folks. I don’t want to give you all up now that I’ve found you!

    • Marilyn N
      04/26/2013 at 10:05 am

      Donchais will be here, just covering other cases…😊

  106. 04/26/2013 at 9:24 am

    Good Morning, ALL! I am watching a recording of Nancy Grace’s show from last night – she is the only one I can stomach to watch on HLN, because she is clearly passionate and expressive of her opinion in favor of justice for victim TA, and because she doesn’t suffer fools gladly (mainly those fools that have the guts to come on her show, and believe the BS that JA spews!!). Anyway, I digress. What caught my attention was when JM was cross examining Dr. Horne, and JA was doing her acting bit….I noticed that when she FINALLY took off her glasses (must have been reading this blog to find out the correct way to cry when one is a wearer glasses!), the camera was on her, and you could see the lens of her glasses. What I noticed is that you could see right through them, but the image on the other side of the lens didn’t change! I know most of us believe that these glasses are a prop, but I was shocked to see that these glasses are FAKE!!

    • 04/26/2013 at 9:33 am

      siiigh WITJ… you too been in denial? 😆

      • 04/26/2013 at 9:36 am

        LOL! I know, I know Syn. It’s that suspension of disbelief fog that creeps up on me now and again!!

  107. Jay
  108. 04/26/2013 at 9:27 am

    Did anyone else watch Nancy Grace last night? The woman (Linda Ballard Ross) TA was going to propose to, and bought the engagement ring for (that the scumbag stole), was on her show, and read a poem that TA wrote her called ‘All The Best’. It was so beautiful.

  109. 04/26/2013 at 9:30 am

    NancyB :
    A lady named Linda was just on Nancy Grace – and she was the person that Travis bought the diamond ring for. She just read the most beautiful poem that Travis wrote to her. It was simply beautiful and made me tear up.

    NancyB…..I see you saw this too! It was so sweet and sad, I was tearing up too! Such a shame! Such a waste of what seems to me to be a beautiful soul!

    • 04/26/2013 at 9:35 am

      is the clip on the net at all?

    • Marilyn N
      04/26/2013 at 9:55 am

      Seeing the nice, normal women Travis was serious about in the past makes it blatantly clear that Travis had no doubt what he was dealing with in the craziness of Jodi!

      • 04/26/2013 at 10:37 am

        doesn’t work like that Marilyn, oh if it were that easy.

  110. Observer
    04/26/2013 at 9:34 am

    Even by Arias’s own story, the killing is premeditation. Jodi Arias testified the last thing she remembers is Travis was lying on the floor with a bullet in the brain and she went off to find the knife. Using two weapons proves premeditation, not self defense or heat of passion because she took the time to get the other weapon and during this time she could have ran out the door and called 911. Instead she shot him in the head and washed his body in the shower. Slitting his throat and shooting him in the head proves she intentionally wanted him dead.

  111. 04/26/2013 at 9:46 am

    Help! I need some assurance here. Why does everyone think that Dr. Horne’s testimony yesterday was a problem for the pros? They say because TA brain was in such a state of decomposition that Dr. Horne can’t confirm for sure if the bullet went through his frontal lobe or not. So it’s possible that he wasn’t immediately incapacitated! This works in JA favor! As a normal thinking wo(man), my brain says to me, first she left his body to DECOMPOSE, so I would focus on that first. Second, as Dr. H testified whether it went through the frontal lobe or not, the velocity of a BULLET going through the front of his face like that would have sent shockwaves through the ENTIRE brain, so he would have been in a state of shock, and therefore unable to move, or even defend himself. And lets not even get started on the stab wounds and the slit throat. And about the slit throat….as a NORMAL thinking wo(man) the fact that Dr. H said – in response to a juror’s questions – he was STILL ALIVE when she slit his throat because his HEART was still beating and the pooling of blood at the site of this horrific wound, would be enough for me to find her guilty of 1st degree murder!

    • HJ Madison
      04/26/2013 at 10:28 am

      WITJ …. be assured …. if there was one tiny chance that TA was not affected by the bullet … or if there was a single shred of evidence that JA shot first …. the DT would have hired someone …. anyone … to testilie in that regard. But they apparently could not find a single person willing to dispute a single word of the ME. The best they could muster was WilNot suggesting that the ME misspoke …. ooooo .. and while we all know WilNot can be scary it is not because of her questions …. I am confident our hero, JM, will be pointing this out.

      • 04/26/2013 at 11:30 am

        Ah! Okay, feeling better HJM. I always appreciate your conviction and confidence! I can breathe again!

      • 04/26/2013 at 11:49 am

        Hello…while I believe Travis was shot first and that rendering him incapacitated…how did the blood splatter occur in the sink. I don’t post a lot, but read all of your thoughts….great peeps…thank you and as always, Justice for Travis and his Family. ~~~~hugs and waves~~~~ md

    • Observer
      04/26/2013 at 10:30 am

      Where do you get the idea that everyone thinks Dr. Horne’s testimony is problematic? I haven’t heard one person on the blog say that. Ninety nine per cent of the public believe Dr. Horne because he makes sense.

      Have you been watching HLN? Those defense attorneys always knock the prosecutors case. That’s what they are paid by HLN to do. If you listen to them, you’d think the prosecutor’s case in every murder trial is going down the toilet.

      The jurors are not defense attorneys. They will look at all the evidence and the other evidence supports the medical examiner’s testimony, not Jodi’s bogus story. The bullet casing found in a pool of blood, the time stamp on the camera, no evidence that Travis owned a gun and the closet shelves collapsing if any pressure is put on it proves he is right. Jodi is a pathological liar who has a reason to lie. The medical examiner is an experienced professional who has done thousands of autopsies. He has no reason to lie. Jodi is a pathological liar who has a reason to lie. Who would you believe if you were a juror?

      • 04/26/2013 at 11:34 am

        Observer…guilty! I watched JVM, and the tail end of Evening Express. I even recorded NG….and she had a ME on her show – via telephone – who said that the fact that Dr. Horne could not say for sure whether the bullet went through TA’s frontal lobe or not, is a big prob for the pros and a HUGE plus for the duhfense! I KNOW the murder could not have happened the way she said, but what worries me is if the jury will see this key piece of information as an issue in their deliberations!

      • Observer
        04/26/2013 at 11:53 am

        Wherestheju, from the juror questions, they had no problem with the ME’s testimony about the bullet going through the frontal lobe. HLN always pays an expert to say the opposite of what the prosecution witness said. That’s so they aren’t accused of bias. The defense has called no ME to dispute Dr. Horne’s testimony so that tells me they couldn’t get one to say the gunshot came first. In every trial, the jury has conflicting evidence and testimony from both sides and they find the defendant guilty in a case like this where the evidence is all on the prosecution side. All the defense has is a pathological lying client and three biased psychology experts who were paid to say Jodi is the victim and Travis is the perpetrator with no corroborating evidence to back it up, only the word of an admitted liar.

    • 04/26/2013 at 10:32 am

      Dr Horn was adamant the trajectory is such it went through the frontal lobe. Once that happens he can no longer perform is no longer cognizant. Can’t walk affects motor skills, can’t think – affects reasoning and processing. So the only relevance of there being a semi-liquified brain is seeing how much blood was produced. If it was the first shot there should have been HEAPS of blood.. there simply doesn’t seem to be enough in the post mortem examination.

      There is not enough blood in the skull cavity either. it is only the brain which was near liquified that it could not actually be seen how much haemorraging was there.. that was not a problem for the actual hitting of the frontal lobe, the trajectory takes care of that…. the only real relevance of that is how much blood was in his body at the time.

      Dr Horn forcefully stated he KNOWS the bullet penetrated the frontal lobe.. unless like Willmott he didn’t have a brain.. there is no way it didn’t.

      That’s why the defense had no ME, they couldn’t find one who would say it didn’t hit his frontal lobe obviously.

      • 04/26/2013 at 11:40 am

        Syn, I see now what Dr. Horne meant about the composition of the brain when he examined it. I guess I didn’t understand what he meant by saying the brain was in a liquefied state….ok that makes sense now! Good…..I am assured! Thanks guys! Ok so based on the trajectory of the bullet, Dr. Horne believes the bullet HAD to go through the frontal lobe! Breathing, breathing….feeling assured again! I am gonna stop this 2nd guessing BS! And definitely stop watching HLN ( (W)Hole Lotta Nonsense!!!!)

    • NancyB
      04/26/2013 at 11:18 am

      Hi WtJ – One correction – You said: “Second, as Dr. H testified whether it went through the frontal lobe or not…

      Dr Horn did NOT say whether it went through the frontal lobe or not. On this, he did NOT equivocate! The bullet definitely went through the frontal lobe and as Dr Horn explained to JW, “It’s simple geometry”. The rest of your sentence about the velocity of the bullet causing shock waves to the brain resulting in immediate neurogenic shock is true. Some of these talking head defense attorneys are totally misrepresenting and/or denying logic and science. Tune them OUT.

      • 04/26/2013 at 11:42 am

        Thanks NancyB. I didn’t see JW cross of Dr. Horne…..her voice sends my BP rocketing (no lie!) So I just mute when she is on. I didn’t see Dr. H testify about the simple fact of the trajectory of the bullet, it had to have gone through the frontal lobe. I will definitely tune them out! I can’t believe I even doubted our Man….Mr. Juanderful!!!

  112. Marilyn N
    04/26/2013 at 9:58 am

    Syn: It won’t play for me on my computer but maybe it will work for you…..
    http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/04/25/travis-alexander-ex-girlfriend-linda-ballard-poem-jodi-arias

    • 04/26/2013 at 10:07 am

      yes it works for me.. about to watch it thankyou 😉

    • 04/26/2013 at 10:07 am

      Marilyn, I can’t get it to play either. This link worked, hope it works for you Syn.

      http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/04/25/travis-alexander-ex-girlfriend-linda-ballard-poem-jodi-arias

      • 04/26/2013 at 10:20 am

        in the words of the Nurm “guess that was a different type of relationship then”

        Thank you for the link WITJ – very telling and Linda is very sincere and believable.. Wouldn’t jodi to apeshit if she were on the stand testifying.. Angela Jolie lips… Travis didn’t need Jodistein to create ‘that’ baby.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/26/2013 at 11:29 am

        Well on this withdrawal day, I read some about Joseph Smith, the original prophet of the LDS. The author spoke of his great zest for learning and his most quoted aphorism was “The glory of God is intelligence.”
        Travis certainly knew where the real truths were and this heartbreaking poem, from a young man, to his girl friend on the possible break up of their romance, is among the most generous and compassionate and spiritual expressions of deep love and affection I have ever encountered in a version of what some might call a “Dear John” letter.
        My goodness, he knew what was important in life. How sad that he had to encounter the evil that stalked him to his untimely and unjust, death. Rest in Peace, lovely man.

      • 04/26/2013 at 12:48 pm

        Strange Robert.. I too was reading things about the history of the LDS. I found it fascinating and raised so many things I was completely unaware of.

        The symbols in jodisteins pic under snow-white sketch made for extremely interesting research.

    • 04/26/2013 at 10:11 am

      I got a lump in my throat watching that again! Heartbreaking!

    • NancyB
      04/26/2013 at 11:23 am

      Marilyn, wasn’t it eerie that Linda mentioned that in 2006 Travis had told her that he was dating Jodi and described her even back then as a pathological liar!

  113. HJ Madison
    04/26/2013 at 9:58 am

    Syntara :
    *medicinal vodka* here dahhling.. take a shot of this you need to calm down!

    Thanks. Probably should have a cup of coffee with that shot … gees …. sometines you just gotta “say it like it is” …

    • 04/26/2013 at 10:05 am

      LMAO @ you HJ and loving it! 😀

  114. janet campbell
    04/26/2013 at 9:59 am

    i believe she ment 2 kill him in the shower then he lunged trying to get away leaving a mess and she brough gun in knife 2 make it look like 2 people killed him….

    • 04/26/2013 at 10:12 am

      Hi Janet….I’m Janet too by the way! Wow! That is an interesting point! You just gave me the chills!!

    • 04/26/2013 at 10:15 am

      my take on it too janet

  115. HJ Madison
    04/26/2013 at 11:01 am

    Morning all 👋. Now that I have had my shot of Grey Goose and a cup of coffee, I have a question. Have we ever learned the REAL subject of the exchange between JA and TA on May 26th, when TA just went completely off in the text messages?

  116. MMD
    04/26/2013 at 11:06 am

    Morning All ******waves********** just got caught up reading all the new comments and watched the link from NG – I now have REAL tears. They would have made such a wonderful couple. How he went from her to Deanna to JA is beyond me 😦

  117. MMD
    04/26/2013 at 11:28 am

    Wow, just watched the video posted above – My Jury Notes. I really wish the jurors could watch that while deliberating. He cuts it right down to the basics without all the red herrings that the DT have tried to throw in!!!!

  118. MMD
    04/26/2013 at 11:28 am

    Nancy B – are you here darlin’????????????

  119. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/26/2013 at 11:32 am

    Hello all.Have to admit I’m a bit teary today, after seeing the woman the ring was intended for and hearing her. My goodness..and no onions needed!

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 11:36 am

      Morning darlin’ – how are things across the pond and a bit?

      Yep that certainly brought the tears streaming down my face. I didn’t watch NG only the clip above and now I’m sorry I didn’t get to see the entire interview. She seemed like an absolute sweetheart and that was the true Travis. 😦

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/26/2013 at 11:51 am

        Hi my Canadian fellow sandboxer! I dont have access to the TV shows–which I normally consider a plus – so I rely on links. I’m not sure I could have taken more of an interview! Hearing her , broke me up and I’m still a bit wobly.

  120. 04/26/2013 at 11:35 am

    ahh watching Dr Horns testimony and I just clicked why jodi is water worksing

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 11:37 am

      because he is pointing out her lies and what she actually did when she slaughtered Travis?????

  121. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/26/2013 at 11:38 am

    I mean I could list a hundred names of people who were brought up in “good” homes with “caring” parents who wouldn’t know what “meth” was, and who gave them everything in terms of material goods and eduaction and affection, and these people would have been unable to write with such clarity about what was imnportant in life to a girl friend at a moment of “uncertainty.” My, my, there was a lot of love in that family–from his grandmother on down–and don’t let anyone–murderers or their friends- get away with besmirching a life far superior than any theyr can imagine.

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 11:41 am

      Exactly and that is why every time their childhood is brought up in pejorative terms the Alexanders all are in tears. It’s heartbreaking!!!

    • 04/26/2013 at 12:06 pm

      another reason she killed him.. she not only wanted to possess to control him she coveted everything he was. He was everything she wasn’t and couldn’t stand he despised what she was.

      So poignant.

  122. 04/26/2013 at 11:39 am

    Just read this in Proverbs 5….the words of King Solomon to his sons. Women like Hodi have been around since the beginning of time. God help our sons. Not meaning to offend anyone. When I read this it screamed HODI to me….and thought to share.

    The lips of a seductive woman are oh so sweet,
    her soft words are oh so smooth.
    But it won’t be long before she’s gravel in your mouth,
    a pain in your gut, a wound in your heart.
    She’s dancing down the primrose path to Death;
    she’s headed straight for Hell and taking you with her.
    She hasn’t a clue about Real Life,
    about who she is or where she’s going.

    • 04/26/2013 at 12:52 pm

      This is one of my favorite verses. It was sent to me years ago by a friend when my husband left me ..and it turned out to be so true..

    • 04/26/2013 at 2:45 pm

      Chloe.
      After reading your post this came to mind and I have not thought of it in nearly 50 years. I think this is what Travis had in mind.
      . Proverbs 31:10
      The Virtues of Noble Woman
      10Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies. 11The heart of her husband does safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil. 12She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life. .

  123. 04/26/2013 at 11:40 am

    cos she is trying to distract the jury from his testimony. So similar but a little bit different if you see the nuance in that. Which you being a smart lady I’m sure you do.

    • 04/26/2013 at 11:41 am

      grr that should be hooked onto MMD’s

      MMD :
      because he is pointing out her lies and what she actually did when she slaughtered Travis?????

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 11:43 am

      As always Syn, you’re exactly on the money!!!!

  124. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/26/2013 at 11:41 am

    Maybe it sthe day off; maybe its thinking too much, maybe it was hearing that Linda read what he wrote, but, my dear playmates in the box, I’m crying like a baby.

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 11:45 am

      I think it’s because we are all so emotionally involved and see what the family/friends and world lost when JA slaughtered Travis.

    • 04/26/2013 at 11:47 am

      RnR, my darling…I’m with you. I’ve had a lump in my throat since I read TA’s poem to Louise Ballard. I think it’s a combo of what you said, and also that we know the end is near….that justice for TA is right around the corner, and all the emotions we have experienced throughout this 4 month trial, has reached a climax, and it is overwhelming. Travis, sweet boy, justice is coming!

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/26/2013 at 11:54 am

        Hi and back atcha. I guess its that combo–getting near the end, thinking of what REALLY matters, returning to the images that brought us here to begin with. I think a group hug is in order and I usually make fun of such things!

    • Jill
      04/26/2013 at 11:52 am

      Awww…this is making us all cry. I think it’s very frustrating for us all that we see these beautiful women talk about travis and we so badly want the jury to see and hear all this!
      All the jury heard of travis’ voice was that dumb sex tape that jodi trapped him into unbeknownst to him . It’s not fair. They need to see the real travis on video and hear from his friends and ex girlfriends like Linda.

      • 04/26/2013 at 11:57 am

        Hear, hear Jill!

      • MMD
        04/26/2013 at 11:59 am

        Well they did hear from several ex-girlfriends but I agree, it would be nice to hear his voice as he normally was, not half asleep or under the spell of JA!!!!

  125. MMD
    04/26/2013 at 11:53 am

    I kept thinking last night about a post someone made, can’t remember who. It was something about how JA and TA dated for around 150 days and we have listened to testiphony for less than 150 days and how much we hate her and want to see her get the DP. I think the question that was asked was if we feel this way, imagine how TA felt trying to get rid of JA????? who we all know had NO intention of going anywhere.

    I don’t know why, but no way, no how, could I get that out of my mind. The pure hell that Travis went through with this skank is so beyond what any of us can imagine. Throw in the video with his ex-girlfriend and all I want to do is to have the power to turn back the clock and save Travis and his family. In my version, JA wouldn’t have even existed!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 04/26/2013 at 12:01 pm

      MMD I agree. The ‘what if’s’ are so unbearable to imagine….they are too numerous and painful to bring up now

      • MMD
        04/26/2013 at 12:03 pm

        I know, the what if’s – they drive me crazy. BTW, whoever posted that comment, it really made me think and I wish I could give them the credit, but I just can’t remember 😕

  126. RockNRoll_Mullet
    04/26/2013 at 11:55 am

    “Probably” There is no probably killed someone. Killing Travis 3 ways; Shot, Stabbed 28+ Times, & Tried to cut his head off. “PROBABLY OVERKILL.” I think Lodi tried to make the slaughter of Travis look like a Cartel Killing with gruesome violence and decapitation. She thought that this would help her get away with it. Good thing there are pictures. The pictures don’t lie. They tell the whole story no matter what story Jodi tells. This speaks volumes about a person who can commit atrocities with out blinking an eye.

    • 04/26/2013 at 2:10 pm

      Isn’t it ironic of how the pictures(she was a photographer,barf) is what tripped her up. Without those pics, do you think the evidence would have been that good? The pictures tell the story and give the timeline. The camera did not lie.

  127. MMD
    04/26/2013 at 11:56 am

    Since we are all crying over this video let’s have a group hug {{{{{{{{{{{{{{ }}}}}}}}}}}}}} and pass the box of tissue around.

    • 04/26/2013 at 11:59 am

      {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{One Million Hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/26/2013 at 12:00 pm

      thanks.. needed it. Sniff, sniff. Hug Hug.

  128. NancyB
    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 12:01 pm

      Nancy I have been looking for you darlin’. I have a question for you. BTW, it was over $1.7M before?????

    • 04/26/2013 at 12:02 pm

      Disgraceful!

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 12:16 pm

      Plus – The cost only pertains to money spent on Arias’ attorneys and does not include jail or court costs.

      Just imagine all the money wasted during the in-chamber meetings, the fake sick days when everyone is sent home, transportation to and from jail, etc, the cost of the prosecution and its witnesses (that is defense only). When the AZ taxpayers get the final figures they are going to go ballistic and I don’t blame them.

      That’s why I think we should forget about all the appeals and I am willing to fly down at no cost to insert that needle into JA’s arm personally!!!!

  129. 04/26/2013 at 12:05 pm

    md6953 :
    Hello…while I believe Travis was shot first and that rendering him incapacitated…how did the blood splatter occur in the sink. I don’t post a lot, but read all of your thoughts….great peeps…thank you and as always, Justice for Travis and his Family. ~~~~hugs and

    waves~~~~ md

    From the initial wound to the heart. He would be spitting up blood

    • 04/26/2013 at 12:14 pm

      md.. your prob here is believing he was shot first.

      He could not have been, which is the whole point of Dr Horn’s testimony. IF he were he could never have been anywhere near the sink.

      He was stabbed in the heart first.. and made his way to the sink.. dying.. aspirated over the mirror while trying to breath and bled all over the sink. Jodisteain then recoverred from being knocked to the floor and came up behind him stabbing into his back.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/26/2013 at 12:18 pm

        dept of excess info or comment: i too thought Dr Horne looked better with his beard. He’s still handsome and with 6000 freakin’ autopsies he’s way beyond reproach. Also I LOVED when he was asked about how many “.25 caliber” wounds he’d treated. I was expecting himto say about 10. When he said 1 or 2 hundred! I thought I’d jump for joy.

      • 04/26/2013 at 12:19 pm

        yeah yeah yeah the 1-200 was like.. ok there goes that Perky.. really you shouldnt have gone there AGAIN!!!

      • 04/26/2013 at 12:21 pm

        Syntara…Ok, I got it….thank you so much. Was confused…I believe he was stabbed first, but somehow got all jumbled up yesterday. I want this over so badly, as we all do, and want that she devil, ms arias found guilty …. We’ll on be on pins and needles over the next few weeks. I am so grateful to read all of the enlightening comments here. Again, ~~~~hugs and waves~~~~ md down in Massachusettts. xoxo

  130. 04/26/2013 at 12:08 pm

    question:

    Perky ends with asking if Travis could have held up his dead after the throat slash. Why does she find this important?

    I re watched this testimony hoping to see something I didn’t first time round.. and nothing has come to mind this time either. Plse anyone throw some ideas in so maybe we can get where she might be going with this?

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      04/26/2013 at 12:15 pm

      Like a lot of her questions or comments, it went over my head. Just the image of a guy with his throat cut trying to raise his head is unnerving. But Willnotwinthe case always has a surprise in her arsenal. btw–g’day mate!

      • MMD
        04/26/2013 at 12:17 pm

        Especially when it went all the way back and severed his spinal cord.

      • 04/26/2013 at 12:17 pm

        he only thing I can think of is she is intimating his throat is not cut in that last picture cos his head may appear to some as being ‘held up’ I don’t go along with that premise. Though that aside… what could she possibly have been alluding to?

        Something they intend to address in their summation I’m thinking.

      • Marilyn N
        04/26/2013 at 12:32 pm

        Maybe it’s the same reason as Wormi’s questioning of Flores about the closet, pointing here and there making it sound like
        Flores missed something crucial to the investigation.
        All smoke and mirrors?

    • 04/26/2013 at 12:17 pm

      Maybe bcuz that means he was still perceived as a threat to JA? Not sure. Or maybe she is just an insensitive idiot who asks questions that highlight her ignorance and incompetence.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        04/26/2013 at 12:19 pm

        (think its the latter)

      • 04/26/2013 at 12:25 pm

        going with the latter.. and still thinking there’s something in the wind for the summation

    • Jay
      04/26/2013 at 12:26 pm

      She’s going to contend with his head against the shower as shown in the photo, and unable to lift his head, how could Arias shoot him in the head at the angle described by the ME.

      • 04/26/2013 at 12:27 pm

        no that cant be it.. cos Arias shot him outside the shower… the bullet casing position proves that.

      • Chrissie A
        04/26/2013 at 1:37 pm

        Jay – huh? That goes against the evidence it’s pure faux news fabrication, methinks this jury is too smart for that.

  131. NancyB
    04/26/2013 at 12:17 pm

    Good question! I keep wondering about that too, I think that it may be because she wants to use the picture of Travis after his throat is slit, the pic with her shoe visible, and try to convince the jury that because his arm *looks* like it’s in a raised position that he had purposefully raised his own arm instead of the reason it looks elevated is because Jodi’s pulling on it while attempting to drag him to the shower. Just a guess, but you can bet she has a specific intent in mind for closing arguments.

    MMD HI! Ask away…

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 12:23 pm

      OK darllin’ since we have been talking about Wendy Murphy’s book I wondered if you had ever read “The Innocent Man” by John Grisham? I think it is his only non-fiction book. Anyway, it truly gives you a look into the American judicial system and is all about a young man, wrongfully convicted, who didn’t have the massive resources to defend himself.

      IT TRULY SCARED THE HELL OUT OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you haven’t read it, just go to Amazon and read the writeup about it.

      http://www.amazon.ca/Innocent-Man-John-Grisham/dp/0385340915/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1366985717&sr=1-1&keywords=innocent+man

      • MMD
        04/26/2013 at 12:24 pm

        damn I just mean’t to link to the page, not the cover 😦

      • MMD
        04/26/2013 at 12:25 pm

        and now I’m in moderation – sorry donchais……………..hanging my head in shame 😦

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 12:26 pm

      Nancy don’t go anywhere please – I’m in moderation!!!!!!

    • 04/26/2013 at 12:26 pm

      yesss yess Nancy.. see my posts above….I just feel it’s to do with that photo too.

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 12:28 pm

      Ok here’s what I asked Nancy

      OK darllin’ since we have been talking about Wendy Murphy’s book I wondered if you had ever read “The Innocent Man” by John Grisham? I think it is his only non-fiction book. Anyway, it truly gives you a look into the American judicial system and is all about a young man, wrongfully convicted, who didn’t have the massive resources to defend himself.

      IT TRULY SCARED THE HELL OUT OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you haven’t read it, just go to Amazon and read the writeup about it.

      • NancyB
        04/26/2013 at 12:39 pm

        No, I’ve not read it and I never knew that he wrote any non-fiction. Very interesting! I enjoyed many of his fiction from years ago. I am a voracious reader and definitely will go to Amazon to order. Many thanks sweetheart!

      • 04/26/2013 at 12:44 pm

        ruv ruv ruv John Grisham.. Time to Kill is probably my favourite reminiscent of Harper Lee’s to kill a Mockingbird in some ways.

    • NancyB
      04/26/2013 at 12:33 pm

      Oh – remember during JA’s testiphony when Juan showed her that pic and her response to him was that she wasn’t even sure that his throat was slit at the time that pic was taken. As long as the defense only has Geffner in their sur-rebuttal I have no worries. *If* they come up with other witnesses such as a ME to refute Dr Horn then I will worry as who knows if it might confuse the jury.

  132. Robert in Rotterdam
    04/26/2013 at 12:21 pm

    Ok fellow sufferers! Gotta run. I’ll check in during this “time out’ Be well. Justice for Travis! peace for his family!

    • 04/26/2013 at 12:55 pm

      cya Robert!!! Ruv ya!! 😀

    • Chrissie A
      04/26/2013 at 2:04 pm

      Bye Robert, sorry I missed ye – Always love to read you – will catch up with your posts ~hugs sent across the water~

  133. Jay
    04/26/2013 at 12:22 pm

    Robert in Rotterdam :
    Well on this withdrawal day, I read some about Joseph Smith, the original prophet of the LDS. The author spoke of his great zest for learning and his most quoted aphorism was “The glory of God is intelligence.”.

    With time on your hands perhaps you should widen your horizons further with a more comprehensive picture of Mr. Smith from those with a more objective POV of him and his beliefs, which I’m sure you can easily locate with the properly worded Google search

    • Jay
      04/26/2013 at 12:23 pm

      And BTW, if God is so intelligent, how did he end up creating this mess of a planet?

      • 04/26/2013 at 1:40 pm

        God didn’t mess up this planet…..people did. My whole reply would be too long for this blog and no one wants to see me on my soapbox. Justice for Travis and God help his family.

    • 04/26/2013 at 12:52 pm

      wow I love that “The glory of god is intelligence”

      It goes to so much. I agree with that. I think it’s futuristic thinking especially for when it was said.

      • 04/26/2013 at 12:54 pm

        oops that was a reply to the original post by Rhobbherrrr

    • Chrissie A
      04/26/2013 at 2:06 pm

      “which I’m sure you can easily locate with the properly worded Google search” Ouch! 😦

  134. Irie Girl
    04/26/2013 at 12:29 pm

    I have been doing research for a paper inspired by this trial, and I am not sure that with the advent of Twitter, social media, trial following blogs, ect. That anything short of sequestering a jury can assure a fair trial. Don’t get me wrong, I may be un-Patriotic for saying this but I don’t care if Arias has a fair trial as long as she is convicted. Is that awful of me?
    Researching cases to cite has led to quite a few discoveries of juror misconduct linked to Twitter. I do feel this is OT for this particular trial but I am interested in the conversation of this group as I finish my paper and we have five days to fill. 🙂

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 12:36 pm

      Since I’m not on Twitter or FB plus not American, I agree that unless you live in a cave, there is NO way that the jurors are not exposed to information. It could be as minor as seeing all the press converging on the courthouse to seeing the latest headline in the newspaper. They would literally have to have blinders on just getting to the courthouse. People are living and breathing this trial literally all around the world and these jurors would not even be able to shop for groceries or fill up their tank without seeing or hearing something. jmo

      • Irie Girl
        04/26/2013 at 12:59 pm

        I agree, the class is Survey of Social and Political Philosophy and everything is abstract but this particular topic is highlighted by this case for me. I want to be clear that deep down inside I don’t believe Arias or monsters of her kind deserve the same as everyone else in criminal court but for this thesis I am trying to appear impartial. I think the backlash for expert witnesses and (citing Anthony case) jurors due to wide spread media coverage could signal a change is needed in criminal court proceedings, according to Kant. —or is the public participation provided by the complete transparency the greater good? If transparency is for the greater good of the whole then should the same transparency be afforded to the jury? In this case we seem to be privy to much more than they, but there is a chance they will be held accountable in public for the decision rendered on the info they have (Anthony verdict).
        Donchais, if this is not appropriate please just let me know. I appreciate everything you put into this site and don’t want to disrupt the flow.

      • MMD
        04/26/2013 at 1:06 pm

        That’s why the OJ jury found him not guilty, even though he was guilty as hell. The jury, many African American, had to go back home and face their community. Remember he was considered a hero in that community.

        To this day, the divide between blacks and whites on his innocence/guilt is truly mind boggling to me as an outsider.

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 12:53 pm

      plus they would literally have to close their eyes and ears to and from court, lock themselves in a room with one book, no tv, internet, phone, etc. until they go back to court and do the same thing. People, especially in Mesa, are ALL talking about this trial.

      And Missy, yes you the Mitigation Specialist, I know you or someone else on your slimy team is reading this – Wurmi and Gidget can argue this fairy tale until the cows come home, but this is YOUR judicial system and it works, mostly and you CAN’T make an exception for your psychopath client JA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The judge and the taxpayers have gone above and beyond for your client!!! 😈 She did it and now she has to pay for it!!!! imho

      • HJ Madison
        04/26/2013 at 12:59 pm

        😘😘😘 Thank you MMD …. I just did not know HOW to say that!! IMHO!

      • Irie Girl
        04/26/2013 at 1:00 pm

        Oh my I just thought of the DF I will come back to this after a verdict. This is not the time or place for the philosophy of it all. My bad!!!

      • 04/26/2013 at 1:39 pm

        Well said MMD!

      • 04/26/2013 at 2:43 pm

        Yes, MMD~~What goes around comes around ~10 fold!!!!
        Her’s will be coming soon.

    • Irie Girl
      04/26/2013 at 1:04 pm

      Donchais, I didn’t think about conversations on the internet and the defense until just now you can erase this from me. I will have to mention this in the paper too, it is a complicated topic. I am sorry I didn’t think before posting

    • Jay
      04/26/2013 at 1:10 pm

      One of the regular participants in our monthly poker game is a retired California 2nd District Court of Appeals judge who says the Arizona judge absolutely should have sequestrated the jurors.

      He says he wouldn’t be surprised if a ground-breaking appeal for a new trial was granted for ‘media tampering’ — not only from the massive outside scrutiny of tv, cable, and news reporting, but for improper inside use of minute-by-minute twittering messages of the proceedings, and regular interviewing of courtroom spectators on cable shows, presenting their opinions of juror behavior and comments about interchanges between defendant and counsel.

      He may be out of touch on these matters — retired a decade ago — and his card playing judgement isn’t so great (hope you don’t read these blogs, H 🙂 ) but that’s his opinion.

      • 04/26/2013 at 2:01 pm

        Jay :
        One of the regular participants in our monthly poker game is a retired California 2nd District Court of Appeals judge who says the Arizona judge absolutely should have sequestrated the jurors.
        He says he wouldn’t be surprised if a ground-breaking appeal for a new trial was granted for ‘media tampering’ — not only from the massive outside scrutiny of tv, cable, and news reporting, but for improper inside use of minute-by-minute twittering messages of the proceedings, and regular interviewing of courtroom spectators on cable shows, presenting their opinions of juror behavior and comments about interchanges between defendant and counsel.
        He may be out of touch on these matters — retired a decade ago — and his card playing judgement isn’t so great (hope you don’t read these blogs, H ) but that’s his opinion.

        This would be virtually impossible. There would be a very limited jury pool and they would possibly need to commence with their respective lives and request they be excused. It puts a great deal of stress and strain on the jurors which would impede their ability to focus completely on the case. One can cut themselves off from media while the trial is underway. These Jurors take their role seriously.

  135. Jay
    04/26/2013 at 12:37 pm

    Syntara :
    yeah yeah yeah the 1-200 was like.. ok there goes that Perky.. really you shouldnt have gone there AGAIN!!!

    Juror question, wasn’t it?

    • HJ Madison
      04/26/2013 at 1:10 pm

      Yes it was a juror question. Did you see my response way, way upstairs about Geffner and my trouble getting it copied via the ipad?

      • 04/26/2013 at 1:16 pm

        HJ.. its a continuation of the theme JW raises.

      • Jay
        04/26/2013 at 1:45 pm

        Yes, just went upstairs to read it… thanks…

    • 04/26/2013 at 1:12 pm

      jury question in reference to JW’s cross… since you have time on your hands have a re-check

      • HJ Madison
        04/26/2013 at 1:25 pm

        HJ Madison :
        …. re-post from upstairs

        Have we ever learned the REAL subject of the exchange between JA and TA on May 26th, when TA just went completely off in the text messages?

        Anyone? Thoughts?

      • HJ Madison
        04/26/2013 at 1:27 pm

        I have no idea why this landed here! I need another cup of coffee!

      • Jay
        04/26/2013 at 1:56 pm

        Oh, sorry – from the way you worded your comment I thought you believed JW was the one inquiring about the MEs experience with that caliber weapon – she was questioning about the velocity of a small caliber bullet if I remember.

        Of course the MEs answer while reinforcing his credentials as to his opinion of the devastating effects of a .25 bullet headshot also, unfortunately, allows the defense some wiggle room to dispute the circumstantial premeditation charge of the ‘rarity’ of that caliber gun in regard to theft of the grandfather’s gun.

      • 04/26/2013 at 2:00 pm

        no.. I was saying JW should not have gone there. simple

  136. NancyB
    04/26/2013 at 12:40 pm

    Got to go now but I’ll check in later. Hugs to all! 🙂

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 12:42 pm

      See ya later 🙂 hugs back

    • Chrissie A
      04/26/2013 at 2:10 pm

      Bye Nancy ~hugs~

  137. HJ Madison
    04/26/2013 at 12:40 pm

    md6953 :
    Hello…while I believe Travis was shot first and that rendering him incapacitated…how did the blood splatter occur in the sink. I don’t post a lot, but read all of your thoughts….great peeps…thank you and as always, Justice for Travis and his Family. ~~~~hugs and waves~~~~ md

    I’m curious …. what makes you think TA was shot first? The only testimony to support that position came from JA herself …. and everyone knows JA is an admitted, pathological, maniacal liar, IMHO.

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 12:44 pm

      HJ – what do ya mean IMHO????????????????????? It’s a fact that she’s a liar, even admitting it on the stand 😯

    • 04/26/2013 at 12:53 pm

      Got confused….didn’t get to watch yesterday’s testimony and got all jumbled up. iI am so anxious for a guilt verdict that my mind has gone crazy. Sorry to be so dumb (must have gone into the fog briefly). ~~~~hugs and waves ~~~~ from md down in Massachusetts. xoxo Justice for Travis is what we all want soooo passionately.

      • MMD
        04/26/2013 at 1:10 pm

        Damn that fog 😆 It seems to hit all of us!

    • 04/26/2013 at 1:21 pm

      HJ .. md already amended this you must have missed her post.. was in a discussion with myself.

      • MMD
        04/26/2013 at 1:32 pm

        😆

  138. Family of Law
    04/26/2013 at 12:49 pm

    TexiBelle :
    I do hunter events. Do you feel comfy posting your email, or is there some way to chat directly (I’m such an igno about blogs, etc.) I have a place in MI and I’ve always thought about getting a horse out there to just ride around in the woods. I’m a year at least from pulling the trigger on that, but it would be nice to circle back to you and see if you have a rescue that would be a good fit!

    Hello TexiBelle! I too am blog igno! Lol! But I don’t feel comfortable posting an email, but I’d love to help you rescue a horse, so MANY are in need of a loving home! I called my oldest brother this a.m. (also a horse lover:) He lives just outside of Ann Arbor. He has worked with a few Hooved Rescues there, he suggests that you try “Starry Skies” http://www.starryskiesequinerescueandsanctuary.com/id6.html. He said they are amazing people, doing great work! Lucky you having a place in Michigan! Such a beautiful state- we love the Petoskey and Charlevoix areas:) I hope you do “pull that trigger”:)

  139. Family of Law
    04/26/2013 at 12:56 pm

    Does anybody know the juror man/ woman ratio? Are there more men than women?

    • Jim
      04/26/2013 at 1:04 pm

      9 Males – 6 Females (a this point)

      • Family of Law
        04/26/2013 at 1:14 pm

        Thanks Jim! Here’s hoping there aren’t any more booted, or that ask to be excused- I was shocked about losing the CEO.

      • Chrissie A
        04/26/2013 at 1:41 pm

        Hi Jim!!! Good to see you 🙂

      • Jim
        04/26/2013 at 2:26 pm

        *****waves**** Chrissie 🙂

  140. Jill
    04/26/2013 at 1:00 pm

    I really don’t understand why the testimony about her kicking her dog didn’t get in. It really is connected to this case because there are studies that prove that people who abuse animals go on to abuse people

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 1:13 pm

      I don’t know either because that is true although it is only JA’s word and could not be proven. Plus it would entail another entire slew of “experts” and I use that term very loosely.

      All we have to remember is that JM is ALWAYS 3 steps ahead of everyone else!!! 😀

      • MMD
        04/26/2013 at 1:15 pm

        I mean’t it is true that those who abuse/kill animals usually go on to abuse/kill people.

    • HJ Madison
      04/26/2013 at 1:17 pm

      Did she say that to Det. Flores in the police interviews? Because he had “mirandized” her … anything you say etc….

      • Jill
        04/26/2013 at 1:26 pm

        Yes, she did. I wish I had a direct line to Juan cuz I have so many questions and info to give him..,lol…just kidding I know he s on top of it. But, I still keep thinking “if only the jury could have seen this or heard this”…

  141. HJ Madison
    04/26/2013 at 1:04 pm

    MMD :
    ……. (shortened from upstairs)…..
    And Missy, yes you the Mitigation Specialist, I know you or someone else on your slimy team is reading this – Wurmi and Gidget can argue this fairy tale until the cows come home, but this is YOUR judicial system and it works, mostly and you CAN’T make an exception for your psychopath client JA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The judge and the taxpayers have gone above and beyond for your client!!! She did it and now she has to pay for it!!!! imho

    Just as a reminder all, IMHO. 😘

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 1:16 pm

      And while you’re at it Missy – showing that much boobage in court is completely inappropriate but why should I expect decorum and respect from your slimy team??? smh

  142. Jim
    04/26/2013 at 1:21 pm

    For those wanting to stroll down memory lane – here is a page that offers a very snarky review of LaLa… Put those cocktails down – and push them out of arms length before reading…

    http://teensleuth.com/blog/?p=19073

    • 04/26/2013 at 1:38 pm

      this goood

    • 04/26/2013 at 1:50 pm

      Pontificate…what an accurate description of her babble…….good article. Thanks.

      • Chrissie A
        04/26/2013 at 2:01 pm

        “Her pigheadedness and her inflated ego have her incapable of acknowledging her own bias” 🙂

    • Chrissie A
      04/26/2013 at 1:59 pm

      That is a keeper and a must share – Tx Jim! Apparently Dr. Loo and the witness on Wednesday are buds, another career suicide coming up 😉

  143. Anonymous
    04/26/2013 at 1:23 pm

    hi

  144. Family of Law
    04/26/2013 at 1:25 pm

    TexiBelle- I responded to your question from upstairs, but included a link for you, and it put me in “sandbox jail”- moderation. Sorry Donchais!

  145. 04/26/2013 at 1:27 pm

    HJ Madison :
    …. re-post from upstairs

    Have we ever learned the REAL subject of the exchange between JA and TA on May 26th, when TA just went completely off in the text messages?

    You mean the text that is referenced on the vid : My Jury questions? The one he calls her a sociopath?

    • Jill
      04/26/2013 at 1:48 pm

      I think we all have our opinions but I think it had to do with her threatening to expose the sex tape. That must have crushed him when he found out she taped it. I’m sad that his worst fear came true and everyone he knows (family, friends, coworkers) has now heard that personal and private part of him.

      • 04/26/2013 at 1:58 pm

        if HJ is referring to what I think she is.. I think it’s a general reference as opposed to something specific.

        I think he is describing her, her actions, her lying, her deciept and that he is sick of it all and going to come clean about who she is and what she is to everyone and he’s through with her.

        I think it’s erroneous to conclude he is talking about one particular incident.

    • HJ Madison
      04/26/2013 at 1:57 pm

      Yes, thank you Syntara for straightening this out. Yes, when TA was provoked into calling her many, many ugly names. DeMarte said TA was provoked and it followed another of Jodistein’s lies. JA said it was because she had been told by a customer that TA was “cheating” on her and she had just asked him about it.

      • 04/26/2013 at 1:59 pm

        see my take on it right above your comment.

  146. 04/26/2013 at 1:35 pm

    FOL and MMD are being sent to the naughty corner!!!! 🙄

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 1:41 pm

      Yep we’re really in trouble cause I’m still there 😦

    • Family of Law
      04/26/2013 at 1:53 pm

      Lol Syn- yup, we be naaaughty! MMD, pass the bottle, please?

      • MMD
        04/26/2013 at 2:13 pm

        here ya go darlin’……… 😀 always gotta share!

  147. MMD
    04/26/2013 at 1:39 pm

    Syn – since you love John Grisham, when you’re not researching or staying awake for days on end, ya should really read that book The Innocent Man. Since our legal system is probably like yours I think you would really find it interesting. All factual and scary. Never ever do anything wrong in the States unless you’re independently wealthy. For that matter, in this case, ya don’t even have to do anything 😦

    I’m so glad I live in a country that’s part of the Commonwealth!!! 😀

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 1:43 pm

      plus ya can download it 🙂

  148. HJ Madison
    04/26/2013 at 1:50 pm

    MD6953, Syntara, others: I am just “concerned”. First a suggestion way, way upstairs that JA is sorry for what she did. Then a question about blood evidence. If I were trying to summarize for a jury, I would want to “float” ideas to a group of smart people who have been paying attention. And, if I needed a plausible explanation for something I might turn to the same group. I sincerely apologize if I have offended anyone. That was never my intent.

    • Jill
      04/26/2013 at 1:57 pm

      No offense was taken by me. I didn’t get any sense that u were saying anything negative, so please don’t feel bad.

    • Jay
      04/26/2013 at 2:02 pm

      You’re bad, bad, bad — go to your room and drink four Martinis immediately!!!

    • 04/26/2013 at 2:06 pm

      Im confused!

      • Jay
        04/26/2013 at 2:29 pm

        “Jay are you trolling today?”

        Not sure what you mean, Syn?????

    • 04/26/2013 at 2:08 pm

      Think you need more coffee HJ cos I have no idea what you are talking about! and the comment by Jay has me even more confused… if that were possible.

      • Jay
        04/26/2013 at 2:18 pm

        A perfection of means, and confusion of aims, seems to be our main problem.
        Albert Einstein — (the real one 🙂 )

      • 04/26/2013 at 2:25 pm

        Jay are you trolling today?

      • Jay
        04/26/2013 at 2:31 pm

        This should be down here —

        “Jay are you trolling today?”

        Not sure what you mean, Syn?????

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 2:15 pm

      Offended with what???????? I’m totally confused???? Obviously I need some of that vodka that Syn swears by 😀

      • 04/26/2013 at 2:21 pm

        *** bottoms up*** MMD 😀

    • HJ Madison
      04/26/2013 at 2:29 pm

      There have been some postings in the last 12 hours that look very “troll” like to me. It is hard to resist being sarcastic and snarky. If you are not a troll, then accept my apology. If you are a troll …. I am certain your pal, the WOBO, is going to ROT IN HELL!

  149. Jay
    04/26/2013 at 2:14 pm

    Court Break — & on the way for
    a 3-Way
    S&M Weekend!

  150. Kathy A.
    04/26/2013 at 2:30 pm

    Syntara :
    ruv ruv ruv John Grisham.. Time to Kill is probably my favourite reminiscent of Harper Lee’s to kill a Mockingbird in some ways.

    Syntara, you’re a woman after my own heart. Time to Kill is my favorite book/movie of John Grisham’s and probably one of my favorite books in general.

  151. NancyB
    04/26/2013 at 2:39 pm

    Disgusting that this has to be tolerated until CONVICTION!

    https://twitter.com/stark3923/status/327820221245173763/photo/1

    Chris Stark ‏@stark3923 2h

    Paypal PROOF – Jodi Arias BROTHER Carl is collecting money for #JodiArias ART sold in Feb 2013 = EXCLUSIVE pic.twitter.com/MdsfRV5N24

    Chris Stark ‏@stark3923 2h

    EBAY STATED they were removing this AD/SALE by end of TODAY. NO #JodiArias ARTWORK CAN BE SOLD ON EBAY.

    • Jill
      04/26/2013 at 2:43 pm

      And who r the idiots who r buying these?

      • MMD
        04/26/2013 at 2:45 pm

        I would assume her so called “fans”……………… ya know the saying birds of a feather………………….

    • MMD
      04/26/2013 at 2:44 pm

      I saw that earlier. Apparently Chris Stark and others are on the case because I was sure that they had taken down all her “art”. We’ll have to wait and see.

      I agree though Nancy, it is truly disgusting 👿

  152. Observer
    04/26/2013 at 2:49 pm

    I am LDS. Blood atonement is not part of the history of the LDS Church. It was made up by anti LDS to make us look like blood thirsty murderers. We do not believe blood atonement rituals ever happened in the 1800s and it hurts me that people believe this. It also disgusts me to read that Jodi’s delusional fans say LDS bishops are participating in blood atonement rituals today. Murder is against our beliefs. We are peace loving people who do not believe in violence and murder.

    Jodi was not wearing Travis’s temple garments when she slit his throat. The picture of her standing over Travis’s body with his throat slit show she was wearing a pants suit with a stripe down the leg. The picture was taken one minute after he was killed.

    • Observer
      04/26/2013 at 2:51 pm

      Should say the picture was taken one minute after he was seen alive. Not enough time to change clothes.

    • 04/26/2013 at 3:01 pm

      not the robe.. that was covered by exactly what you said.. just CI was talking about her only wearing an undergarment of some kind.

      • Observer
        04/26/2013 at 3:12 pm

        Syntara, there is no robe. He would have been wearing his under garments when she got dressed and only take them off when he showered.

      • 04/26/2013 at 3:20 pm

        No observer sorry you are misunderstanding.

      • Observer
        04/26/2013 at 3:29 pm

        I’ve read a lot of nonsense about Tenple robes and protection rituals and I am telling you as an LDS member, thst is all made up. We wear undergarments to keep us pure, period.

  153. NancyB
    04/26/2013 at 3:12 pm

    Help! I can’t remember if the jurors *know* that when she trashed Travis’ BMW that he did not go ballistic but actually helped her with the Insurance Co calls etc.

    • Observer
      04/26/2013 at 3:17 pm

      Yes, Martinez brought that up when cross examining Arias. He said, “When you wrecked his BMW, he didn’t get angry at you, did he?” She said no. Martinez said he even helped you file a claim with the insurance company and she said she did it herself.

      • NancyB
        04/26/2013 at 3:25 pm

        Thanks to both of you!

    • HJ Madison
      04/26/2013 at 3:19 pm

      Yep …. out of JA’s mouth herself. I think she went so far as to say “he was nice about it”. For some reason I really love that story …. smart as Einstein! As Kristy said, way upstairs, “Jodi is such a loser!”

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