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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – Day Fifty-Five


After a long break, we are back to work and it will be a long and final day of testiphony!

Wow, full house today…Arias aunt back in town, grandma still here.  Deanna Reid sitting with Travis’ sibs, all of whom are here today!

Court opens at 9:16…Willmott asks to approach.

Screen shot 2013-05-01 at 4.33.39 PMDr. Robert Geffner, neuropsychologist is called.  Has been in practice for 33 years.  Willmott takes him through his background and credentials.

Gawd, this has passed the 1/2-hour mark!

Finally at 9:50 we begin actual testiphony.

He reviewed the tests given to Jodi and rescored them.  Screen shot 2013-05-01 at 12.28.17 PM

He never spoke to Arias and didn’t review any police statements.

He’s babbling on about his background again and boy, is he full of himself!

He discusses validity scales, which allows them to tell if a person is defensive or lying on the tests.

3 different mental health providers administered the tests over a 2-year period.  He claims his review showed Jodi didn’t lie, but did present emotional issues.

Claims Dr. DeMarte’s test also showed Jodi had issues.  The scoring on that test showed multiple areas above the norm.  Anger and antisocial behavior is in the normal range.  Dominant is below normal, not hostile.  Jodi shows passive personality and low self-esteem.

The tests don’t provide diagnosis, but point to areas that should be looked into.

Pretty much, he is trying to shore-up the diagnosis of PTSD.

MCMI test would be the tool to use to assess Borderline Personality Disorder.

Judge calls recess…

I’m not getting this direct at all.  Dr. DeMarte did testing and a clinical interview to reach her diagnosis.  This guy can’t diagnose her without doing a clinical interview.

Court back at 11:46…

Back to the MCMI.  It looks at personality disorders.

Scores indicate anxiety or PTSD.

This has to be the worst direct exam I’ve ever seen.  I’m sure the jury is so lost they don’t know why this guy is even here!

Now we’ve moved to Trauma Symptom Inventory.  He works with trauma victims, abused children, battered woman.

Have we made a point yet?

Dr. DeMarte indicated there are no summary scales?  There are summary scales.

DeMarte was trained not to use the summary scales!

Says DeMarte used an outdated test, the TSI-1.  TSI-2 had come out early 2011.

7 out 10 scores were in the clinical range for some sort of trauma.

Anxiety, dissociation, defensive avoidance of the trauma, sexuality issues…

Dr. Karp gave the first test in 2010 (she got ill and couldn’t continue on the case).  A year and a half later showed improvement in some areas, but higher anxiety in others.

This is so not saying anything about premeditated murder!

This is just awful; one minute he is bolstering Samules, the next DeMarte.  This isn’t proving diddly.

Now says Jodi meets the criteria for PTSD!  Reached the conclusion without interviewing her!

Dr. Geffner, do you Jodi Arias is an admitted liar?

Lunch recess called…abbreviated to 1-hour and 15 minutes…boy, did Willmott and Jodi look pissed about that!

Geffner talks about someone who is victimized in childhood has a much greater chance of being victimized later in life.

There go the parents under the bus again!

Court resumes at 1:30.

Some abbreviated lunchtime!

Jury in at 1:31.

Willmott asks Geffner what professional organizations he belongs to…geez.

He admits to knowing Alyce LaViolette and they each refer cases to each other.

Willmott brings up courts and appeals and his being sanctioned.

He’s been impeached in 4 or 5 cases.  He got slammed on those and his testiphony got tossed in some areas.

Willmott has him define neuropsych.  A bridge between psych and medicine.

He treated 3 patients with frontal lobe injuries, 2 gunshots and one nail gun.

OMG, now Willmott is trying to get him to impeach Dr. Horn on the bullet to the frontal lobe!

Guessing this is opening the door for Juan to bring in his neuropsych, Dr, Hayes.

Juan is going to be all over this guy!

OMG, he just said Horn’s report shows no apparent injury to the brain itself!

Say the gunshot to Travis’ frontal lobe wouldn’t have incapacitated him!

Reinforced foil hat on. Hip waders on.  Triple barf bags in hand!

Now said he didn’t diagnose Jodi as a battered woman or PTSD, because that wasn’t what he was tasked to do.

He believes Dr. DeMarte was capable of understanding the testing to form a diagnosis.  Now he says she didn’t understand how to use the TSI and the MCMI!

DeMarte read diaries, e-mails, texts, interviews, got the whole background.  Unlike him!

Juan on cross…

You told us your licensed in CA and TX?  Yes.

You are not licensed in AZ or HI?  Correct.

You testified in HI and TN?  Yes.

You testified in TN for the O’Rourke case?  Yes.

The judge said your testimony was completely without merit?  I don’t remember the words.

O’Rourke v O’Rourke is where he testified for the mom (who lost custody) but never interviewed Dad.

Juan shows him the judge’s opinion.

This is just Juanderful!  Juan is going to nail him on several cases where he was impeached!

Texas case, trial court found his affidavit that lacked credibility!  The court said you were making things up.

Hawaii case, court excluded part of his testimony.

In this case, you were contacted last week?  No, November of last year.  That issue was resolved?  Yes.

We spoke last week and you told me you were contacted a week ago about testifying here?

You reviewed the DeMarte documentation two weeks ago?  No.

Another hired gun going down the tubes!

The MMPI, you said Dr. DeMarte’s approach that you looked at, doesn’t indicate borderline personality?  Yes.

Juan is running rings around this guy.  Juan has all kinds of pent up energy and it ain’t from drinking Red Bull!!!

Juan just pounced on Jodi’s malingering on the answers to the test.  Geffner aggress it could be a possibility.

Ohhh, Juan got Geffner to admit Jodi has psychopathic traits on the test, lol!

Afternoon recess, be back at 3:10…

Geez, we can’t ever start on time!  Court resumes at 3:17.

Juan taking him through all the elevated areas on Jodi’s MMPI 1.

By her tone, you can tell the judge is getting annoyed by Willmott’s asking to approach!

Jodi may have malingered, but the DeMarte test shows BPD anyway.

Geffner admits that his rescoring of the tests was actually done by some of his students, not himself!

In question 28…


Lol, Juan almost got it in…. ques 28 from the test…not allowed to make that public!

You read the report Dr. Karp’s test?   Correct.

They were consistent with the test Dr. DeMarte’s profile?  No, two arrears were not reported as above clinical.

Willmott looking askeered!

You talked about the frontal lobe?  Yes sir.

How many autopsies have done?  That’s not my area of expertise.

Have you ever been at an autopsy?  Afterwards, not while it was being done.

You critiqued Dr. Horn’s report?  Yes.

The brain was decomposed, the consistency of tapioca?  Yes.

If there was no traumatic event and they filled it out, would you find that credible?  I wouldn’t give it if there was no event.

Smack down on Samuels filling out the test answers for Jodi!

Now back to the frontal lobe and photos taken during autopsy.

Can you tell us the trajectory of the bullet?  No.

Your opinion was based on a report?  That and my knowledge how the brain works.

Lol, Geffner says he would defer to the ME’s expertise!

No further questions.

10-minute recess called…

Willmott on redirect…just kill me now…

The O’Rourke case?  Yes.

The judge called you a hired gun?  Yes, he said that.

What happened in that case?  Child custody case with a battered woman and two children.  Based on the testing, they discovered the woman and kids were abused.  I criticized the way the expert’s opinion and…

Objection, sustained…may we approach?

Did people complain about the way the judge handled the case?  Yes.

What happened…


The affidavit in the Clark case?  Yes.

There was no question about your honesty in the statement?  No.  It was tossed because of the limitations he was facing.

Willmott is going over his testimony yet again.  The judge really needs to grow a set and stop this bs.

We are reviewing all the test results again.

This is pure torture, can’t imagine how pizzed off the jury must be!

Oh get over it…Jodi does not have PTSD!

Again refuting Dr. Horn’s autopsy report, but says he doesn’t believe his report is incorrect.

Juror questions…

Being incarcerated, public attention, facing the death penalty, etc…how does that influence the scoring on the MMPI?  You could see elevations in some areas.

How many questions were changed on TSI 2 from the ones on TS 1?  Around 6, but was significant.

Lack of hemorrhage in the brain, could that mean it happened after death?  Depends.

You said you are not receiving compensation for the case?  Is any organization receiving compensation?  His school does!

The good news is that the jury paid close attention today!

Can you manipulate any of the tests?  It could, but it would have to be consistent across the whole battery of tests.

Admits DeMarte’s report indicated borderline and he assumes she found a pattern of behaviors.

Had you heard of this case before evaluating the tests?  No.

One more question in the basket…

Dr. Horn arrived at the courthouse about an hour ago, per Beth Karas. Maybe Juan is going to put him back up as a sur- surrebuttal witness.

Do bullets travel in a straight line when it hits the body?  Yes, depending on what it hits makes a difference.

Still insists Jodi’s tests indicate PTSD.

Pretty zoned out…sigh, but Juan has gone postal, lol!

Did you know Dr. Samules said PD (NOS)…not otherwise specified…and it should be looked into?  No.

Convenient the defense didn’t tell him that little nugget!

Think Samuels, LaVioltte, and Geffner will be opening a car wash soon!

You said you didn’t know anything about this case?  I was first talked to about in November, but wasn’t told I would testify till about a week and a half ago.

He saw nothing about the case since November?  I say BS!

10-minute break…

Well, what have we learned that advanced the defense case today?  Not a damn thang!

Screen shot 2013-05-01 at 10.01.43 PMDr. Kevin Horn on the stand!

He identifies the photos of Travis’ skull that show the entry wound and where the bullet lodged.

The trajectory of the bullet didn’t show blood?  Yes.

What does that mean?  He had either bled out or was deceased.

The entire family and group of friends are looking down and crying.                 

The brain was decomposed and green-gray, the texture was like pudding.

Willmott up…

How long does blood stay in the brain when shot?  I don’t understand.

How long would the lack of blood take?  With his injuries, within seconds.

Willmott is trying to put words in his mouth again!

The brain was liquidized?  I never said that.

You took slices of the brain?  I could cut trough it to see if I’m missing fragments or foreign bodies.

You could not see a track?  No.

You don’t keep up with new articles that show research into projectiles into the front lobe?  I’m basing this on my experience.

With regard to your report, everything is correct, right?  Yes.

One juror question…

Would you agree that 100% of the time, you have seen people with a frontal lobe injury, they were deceased?  Yes.

Another question…

Your report said the brain membrane wasn’t damaged, how do you explain?  That is a typo in the report.

Martinez…Was the durra damaged?  Yes, based on the damage by the bullet it had to be.

Willmott, you just said your report was correct?  Yes.

But now you are saying it contains a mistake?  I just now saw the typo.

Dr. Jill Hayes called.  Forensic neuropsych.  Screen shot 2013-05-01 at 10.33.22 PM

Going through her CV.  Licensed in 1999.

She’s done pros and def cases, 50/50.

Discussing the TSI test and that she would give it if there was an indication of a trauma.

The PDS test would give her concern if the person lied.  It would call up other issues about the validity of the test.

Would you continue to test if you knew it was a lie?  Depends, if you only have one bite of the apple or a continuing evaluation.

Willmott not at all happy and just objected and slammed her legal pad down!

She now comments on the TSI that shows horror or anxiety over a supposed trauma happening to them.

The 7 months between TSI 1 and TSI 2 does that mean using TSI 1 even thought 2 was available is in error?  No, many clinicians wait to see if the new test is actually accepted as being valid.

Kinda like don’t but a new model car till the bugs are found and corrected!

She, like DeMarte didn’t use the scoring summary scales in her training!  It wasn’t a requirement by the organization that developed the test.

Bye-bye Dr. Geffner!

Says you can’t just look at tests results and make a diagnosis like Geffner did.  You need to interview and use collateral materials.

Willmott up…

Says DeMarte was correct on testing Jodi’s reading comprehension even though she had a 112 IQ, otherwise would have been crucified

on the stand.  Seen college grads who had low reading abilities.

Willmott just spinning wheels here and being a hiney-hole.

Hayes wiping-up the floor with Willmott’s reasoning!

How the heck is the jury going to be fresh enuff tomorrow for jury instructions?

There may be a beheading soon in the court!

Dr. Hayes is a gem…unshakable and totally cognizant of Willmotts bs!

Witness released and the State rests.

Court called at 8:30.

Be back at 9:15 for a 9:30 start!

Warts and all this is what ya get, ‘cause I’m tired!

  1. HJ Madison
    05/01/2013 at 11:48 pm

    Well something crazy happened! It was kind of funny because it was like traveling back in time! You never knew where something would show up …. but, it suddenly worked itself out. Yes, we had a whee of a day …. thanks again for keeping the sandbox nice and tidy. 😉

    • HJ Madison
      05/01/2013 at 11:49 pm

      That is a comment for you, Donchais.

  2. NancyB
    05/01/2013 at 11:50 pm

    Donchais – Many thanks for doing this excellent re-cap after such a long day. Go to bed, Mom! Love ya!

    • C.I.
      05/02/2013 at 4:01 am

      Than you so much donchais -loved the recap and the giggles you provide. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for enduring another day of Wingnut and Recliner guy.

  3. Jill
    05/01/2013 at 11:51 pm

    Hi HJ,
    Ty for the explanations u gave me. It makes sense to me now and now I understand why we definitely don’t want manslaughter.
    But, what happens if they decide 2nd degree murder?

    • HJ Madison
      05/01/2013 at 11:56 pm

      This weenie judge is going to give them manslaughter …. But … the thing we just have to hang on to is PREMEDITATION. And frankly, I have never seen so much circumstantial evidence– ever. To say nothing of her actions following the killing. So….. if they buy premeditation, then ALL this other stuff doesn’t matter. Even if they think she was “battered”, if she planned it it is OVER.

      2nd degree is like 25 years plus with the possibilty of parole. And she gets to live in the general prison population.

      • Jill
        05/01/2013 at 11:59 pm

        Wait, u found out for sure about the manslaughter?

      • Jill
        05/02/2013 at 12:01 am

        What does premeditation automatically mean? The death sentence?
        (Sorry if u already told me that answer)

      • HJ Madison
        05/02/2013 at 12:05 am

        I did not hear … I am just assuming, given that the judge let the DT have it all anyway. If JA gets 1st degree (because the jury believed she planned this) then we enter the “aggravator” phase. Was the killing cruel? If the jury finds it was, then we go to the penalty phase, where they decide whether to recommend Death or Life without Parole.

      • Moon
        05/02/2013 at 12:12 am

        NO, after today, I don’t the Judge will give them manslaughter as an option and Juan already turned them down b4 the trial started. The HO wanted to pleabargain that and said she would trash Travis if the State wouldn’t take the deal.

        I am hoping and praying that after all this, the Judge will say no no to that charge!

      • HJ Madison
        05/02/2013 at 12:19 am

        Moon: She tried to plea bargain for 2nd degree, not manslaughter. And I think the Judge “deferred” until all the evidence came in to see if it supports “self defense”, hemce manslaughter. Given that they have gotten everything else, I am sure she will give them this too.

      • HJ Madison
        05/02/2013 at 12:22 am

        Oh wait …. manslaughter may be “heat of passion” instead of “self defense”…. now I will have to go look!

      • Moon
        05/02/2013 at 12:32 am

        How in the Hell do they even have the audacity to ask for that? They cannot change to crime of passion after claiming self defense! None of the testilies from their side supports COP… and the Judge should certainly know that now that this phase is over…. their “new” request: crime of passion, does not fit the strategy they provided, imho.

      • HJ Madison
        05/02/2013 at 12:48 am

        Moon: I agree …. She begged for 2nd degree back in July of 2011 and threatened to “reveal” all this filth about TA. I am still looking if 2nd degree covers self defense or if it is part of manslaughter. I do recall they were asking for the “heat of passion”. Some of this should be part of instructions …. and we never heard them argue about that either. The Minute Entries show that the jury insteuction motions were filed 4/21/2013 — no details.

      • NancyB
        05/02/2013 at 1:18 am

        Oh, you are correct. She will give both the 2nd degree & manslaughter options.

  4. Cookie
    05/01/2013 at 11:53 pm

    If Mr. Alexander was shot in the frot of the head leaving his brain cortex in tack ,, & supposedly hitting front of face , how could he possibly see to chase ms. Arias through a bathroom & into a closet & back out ? Anyone?rest in peace Travis,my prayers are with your family

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 12:09 am

      Good point! He would have had blood all over his face. And, he was wet frommthe shower too. Just one more reason to know she shot him after the killing.

    • NancyB
      05/02/2013 at 1:21 am

      Hi Cookie, But Dr Horn has repeatedly stated that the bullet entered the Rt Frontal Lobe and that caused Travis to be immediately incapacitated – with i or 2 seconds and he would be unresponsive/unconscious. End of story, I totally believe Dr Horn’s testimmony.

    • Laine
      05/02/2013 at 8:21 am

      Cookie, he chased her and she ran into the wardrobe and back out to the bathroom BEFORE she shot him…thats her testiphony, not the other way round. So there would not have been blood etc in his face till after the shot in the bathroom if she is to be believed…which I personally don’t! she shot him after the stabbing thats why there was no blood from the gunshot.

  5. 05/01/2013 at 11:54 pm

    I’m exhausted and I’m just watching. Can only imagine everyone there. Wow this is one for the record. Since starting watching mid-Jodi testimony, I’ve gained weight, got nothing done and become a supporter of the Alexander family. I’m glad justice is coming soon.

    • Jill
      05/01/2013 at 11:58 pm

      Lol…me too. I find myself mindlessly eating all day while watching, and my house and family r definitely neglected!
      Very scared for the outcome…I am scared that there is one idiot jodi fan on the jury and he will ruin everything!

      • 05/02/2013 at 12:24 am

        I’m glad I’m not the only one, kinda. That mindless eating is the pits.

  6. Jill
    05/01/2013 at 11:54 pm

    Hi donchais, as always, Ty! I know u go thru a lot that we don’t know about to keep this a wonderful site for us! We will never know the trash u have to read to keep us safe here, but please know that we appreciate u very much!

  7. Marilyn N
    05/01/2013 at 11:59 pm

    In order for that juror to ask Dr. Horn about the brain membrane not being damaged
    they would have heard it from someone. Does anybody know who said that?

    • Jill
      05/02/2013 at 12:00 am

      I know Wilma was talking about it when questioning him.

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 12:07 am

      Yes… Dr. Dolittle talked about it several times today and said that is why he believed the bullet did not enter the gray matter of the brain.

      • HJ Madison
        05/02/2013 at 12:13 am

        That is also why Wilnot got so pissy with Dr. Horn and the “type-o” — gees that was not good. Glad we had that nice Dr. to finish with.

    • NancyB
      05/02/2013 at 1:27 am

      Hi Marilyn! Yes, it was discussed between Dr Geffner & JW. They discussed the possibility that it was a typo in Dr Horn’s that the Dura Mater was intact and what Geffner proposed if it was a typo and they also discussed Geffner’s opinion if it wasn’t a typo. When I 1st heard that testimony I knew that Juan HAD to get Dr Horn to straighten it out and was soooo relieved when Donchais posted that he was there. I was shocked that JW had not brought it up and I was thrilled that one juror was so intelligent to clear that loose thread up.

      • 05/02/2013 at 1:42 am

        I was glad to see the juror question, too. I can only think that JW must have suspected it was in error to not ask. Instead she went with the nonspecific “everything is correct, right?” question– she didn’t want it cleared up! Sure enough it was a typo. I am sooo glad that came out, but was also very disappointed that such a critical error wasn’t discovered until the very end of the trial. It was enough to add some doubt, I think. Though I hope the typo explanation is sufficient for they jury.

      • ringadingding
        05/02/2013 at 9:04 am

        Thank you for explaining this, Nancy. My internet feed kept freezing through much of the day and I missed a lot. This part was never clear to me. Now I get it, and also understand why WAT said the reaction in the courtroom was not as bad as it was to those watching online.

    • 05/02/2013 at 7:07 am

      Uh, Yah…It was the basis of Dr Geffner’s entire testimony that would allow a person to sustain the gunshot and not be incapacitated. Defense was being sneaky. They read the ME report and saw the typo. Didn’t you hear Geffner say several times that he assumed the ME report was accurate and did not question it? Wilmott’s last question to Horn was asking him to affirm his reports accuracy. It was their intention to leave all as is, then they could refer to it in closing arguments. But that meddling juror ruined everything by giving the prosecution a chance to acknowledge the typo and blow up the defense’s whole plan. Whoops! This juror is on the prosecution’s side. It’s all good.

  8. Moon
    05/02/2013 at 12:07 am

    wowza wowza wowza! WHAT AN ENDING TO TESTIMONY!!

    (oh and GOPHERS)!! waaahoooo Juan put that juror in line with that one! I was one of the ones concerned about this juror ? well, not any more!! That is sooo why I am glad he ended with blonde doc instead of Horn! Much much better end this way! If Horn would have ended, the jury would have been stuck with the typo.. I wonder how long the Dreamy Doc keeps his personal notes, or if those are tossed when the report is typed up??? I bet you anything if he still has them, he is checking them now!! I bet he couldn’t believe he was called back, yet again! I thought he was gonna say ……….. I’ve said this over and over and my answer is NOT going to change!

    We ended this on a HIGH note and Glory Be indeed!! I am drained — I can’t even imagine how drained the family is…

    If the ho doesn’t have a migraine tomorrow, she certainly will by Friday! I hope to God Judge says tough crap ……….

    the judge was soooo annoyed with walking idiot and all of her fn approaches! That had to be an all time record! Walking idiot tattles like a grade schooler and then switches to a HS debater!! She still can’t admit she cannot win at debating her cause but she sure was hellbent to keep trying!

    Ahhhh, after the complete torture of the day, the night sure made up for it! Thank God, that He brought us all Juan to be the voice for Travis!

    • ringadingding
      05/02/2013 at 9:08 am

      Moon–Horn looked pretty put off by being called back in, didn’t he? I hope he understands now how the DT had been playing tricksy with the typo.

  9. 05/02/2013 at 12:11 am

    OMG!! How many times do the defense and prosecution get to go back and forth at this defense”expert”? This is absolutely absurd!!! PLEASE end it now!!! WE are all through with it and Jodi and Willmott and Nurmi!!! PLEASE!!!
    Let the jury deliberate NOW!!

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 12:16 am

      What are you listening to?

  10. Marilyn N
    05/02/2013 at 12:12 am

    Oh, OK. Well I hope it was clear to the jury that it was an honest typo error, as he clearly knew something wasn’t
    right about it when asked the question.

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 12:15 am

      That is what I thought too — he fumbled thru his report and seemed surprised. Bottom line though, no bleeding because she had already slit his throat. Idiot Wilnot asked how long it would take to bleed out her words … ..WOBO nearly decapitated him! Not to be too gory!! Sorry!!!

      • ringadingding
        05/02/2013 at 9:09 am

        HJ–that was great to see her at a loss for words when he said it would take seconds to bleed out.

  11. 05/02/2013 at 12:12 am

    Yes thank you Donchais for this incredible, surprising venue. Never knew anything like this existed, granted I’m in the dark ages technically. You’ve hooked up the world and created a place for me to learn from so many. We’ve shared thoughts/ideas and for the most part all in a respectful manner. You’ve kept out the unfriendlies which I’m sure is a lot of work. Only one regret, that we all gathered together for such a reason but I hope and pray by doing so, we have made a difference. I know you all have for me by opening up my understanding, knowing people are indeed compassionate and passionate. We are indeed human by having a conscience. May peace be with us all and as we maintain solidarity for the Alexanders and their friends as this part of their journey ends and they begin another. They, as well us, will never be the same. Sending rots of ruv thru them airraves!

    • Jill
      05/02/2013 at 12:21 am

      Amen…well said

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 12:42 am

      Great sentiments, thank you BG58! So well said, and I say “Hear hear”!

    • ringadingding
      05/02/2013 at 9:15 am

      Agreed. Well said. Thank you, Donchais and everyone who’s contributed and been so welcoming and respectful.

  12. Kristy
    05/02/2013 at 12:16 am

    It was a Juantastic day! Juan rocks. Jodi sucks.

  13. Moon
    05/02/2013 at 12:20 am

    I think the jury could have a strong case of PTSD after this is said and done!

    It is completely bonkers to me that she would have short short days, not have court on Fridays and several other days………. never started on time, breaks never ended on time, recess was called when she wasn’t sure how to handle an objection………several potty breaks for the toilette ……………..and then because she said they would go today till it was over she was hellbent on keeping her word on that one thing! Mind boggling!

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 12:51 am

      Well…. she does stand for re-election at some point in that state. Wonder how that will go if JA gets a lesser …..

      • Moon
        05/02/2013 at 1:47 am

        A few years ago, here in Colorado, Timothy Masters … he spent 10 yrs in jail for a crime he did NOT commit. The DA at the time became a judge. His release was a huge deal. Both judges (the one that presided over the original trial and the DA that became a judge) were ousted at election. It was all over our local news.

        I would love to read these jurors evals once this is all over.

      • 05/02/2013 at 6:57 am

        It’s SO hard to vote a judge out of office. In CA, Judges don’t even appear on the ballot unless they have an opponent. Total BS!

  14. Jill
    05/02/2013 at 12:20 am

    Good night all! Ty for chit chatting! Ttyt!

    I’m praying for travis and family! And his friends……and all of us!

  15. Schaeffer
    05/02/2013 at 12:24 am

    donchais — Thanks for the recap, as I could not listen to that fiasco after lunch. You are a better woman than I.

  16. Moon
    05/02/2013 at 12:26 am

    Thank you so so much Donchais, as always your recaps are spot on! and Ditto what Brightgirl says up ^^ there. You are a Blessing to all of us, to Travis’ family, and to victims of crime!

  17. 05/02/2013 at 12:36 am

    Did anyone notice after coming back from one of the longer breaks when Geffner was on the stand, the MS came back into the courtroom well into the testimony. I found it disrespectful. Was she out getting a nice dinner? And who is paying her fee?

    • NancyB
      05/02/2013 at 1:34 am

      The State pays her salary.

  18. NancyB
    05/02/2013 at 12:37 am

    I figured out that Dr Geffner ONLY seems to testify in states that he’s NOT licensed in, such as TN, AZ, HI. But no cases in TX or CA where he is licensed! Could that be because if he pulled the crap that he has in numerous cases in the states where he is licensed that those licenses may be in trouble if he were to repeat such unprofessional behavior. If the crap he’s pulled in other cases happened in CA, his actions would be referred to his professional licensing board!

    • Moon
      05/02/2013 at 12:40 am

      great point, Nancy!

  19. Lisa M
    05/02/2013 at 12:39 am

    Great recap Donchais and great photo of Dr. Horn!

    • Commerce1
      05/02/2013 at 3:36 am

      Doctor Horn is very authoritative and an excellent witness. He is also absolutely adorable. And I mean absolutely no disrespect by that. I have every respect for him. But DAMN he is cute!!!!!

      • 05/02/2013 at 6:54 am

        I agree 100%. MMD and Syn have dibs on Juan (I’d like to be in line for him, too); but DAMN!!! Dr Horn is dreamy. I forgot to look for a wedding ring. Is there a ring? If not, I want dibs…K?!

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 8:52 am

        Sorry Crystal he has a ring but yet he is a real cutie and such a good witness! 🙂

      • Lisa M
        05/02/2013 at 12:04 pm

        Yes, he is cute! I love how he smiled at the jury when he said “I hope so.”. There’s no way they don’t love this guy. He’s so winning that I bet even the men like him

  20. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 12:43 am

    Thank you Mamma Donchais! Today was a virtual marathon! And as usual, you gave a phenomenal wrap up! Get some rest, you really earned it today!

  21. Anna
    05/02/2013 at 12:50 am

    [entering sandbox stage left, hypnotizzed by yet more state-paid witness stupidity **burp**…and but first btw, just so we’re clear here, are we limited to the sandy bottom area only or can we play on that shiny blue jungle gym in the corner sometimes? All my beach toys are busted 😦 Personally, I wish I could build us all a reflecting pond with koi and soothing Japanese flora & fauna!]
    ____with that, take it away alter ego mini me named anna___

    Isnt’ it thinking that funny your stress under brain don’t function usual as…wait…reverse a lot of that! 🙂 I just had to make a meal and was very perplexed & dismayed by how many neurons that actually takes…lawdy Mae!…as an added bonus for my strained old brain, every single electronic device I know is being mean to me right now. I’m like back to Morse Code and me old-fashioned pen & paper. I literally cut a piece of paper and taped it somewhere else on another page today…???

    And must report that Snow White called again and this time she’s truly miffed. She’s on her way to Maricopa Co. house of the dying sun to retrieve her blouse once & for all. And trust me, she is well aware that jodiey had it altered for possible last minute flashing of her fake tainted ladies…but i’m gonna fix it for her. She really is a dear. Not bitter, angry, revengeful, hollow, narcissistic, psycho or murderous at all! [The blame game is insane.]

    Want to risk posting a vid link here to ask, in the true light of the vid, could this be some of us? Also, I know a lot of you oppose the DP (but are kindly taking one for this particular psycho) – i have always been pro DP for sickos & sickas who “walk amongst us”, like child rapists. lo siento pero es verdad…and remember it takes forever for the needle to finally take them off free room & board; and often the DP gets overturned (is that right??)…just sayin’. But don’t watch otherwise. And this is NOT promoting vigilantism. It’s called Justice in my humble book: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1JOFhfoAD4
    ____un-appointed court jester out____

    [Luv to all, and donchais, to say thank you {{{hands bouquet of 100 multi-colored Peruvian lilies}}}…in case yas didn’t know they can last over 2 weeks if you care 4 em. to me, having fresh cut flowers in any rabbit hole can make a difference. Sweet dreams only guys, okay? okay… 🙂 ]

    • Gracerv7
      05/02/2013 at 1:09 am

      Anna your writing reminds me of Eggtree news. Hmmmmm….you wouldn’t happen to be the one writing and running that site would you???

      • Anna
        05/02/2013 at 1:17 am

        no but i hope that’s a complement…??? 🙂

      • Gracerv7
        05/02/2013 at 1:19 am

        That is a HUGE compliment! I laugh so hard every time I read the daily posts. So sarcastic and funny! If you haven’t checked it out you should!

      • Anna
        05/02/2013 at 1:22 am

        oh wait…Gracerv7, I’ve read her before! She is WAY better than myself…in fact i commented on her blog that she needs to write a book like yesterday! Thank you nice person…i will drrrrream! 😉

      • Gracerv7
        05/02/2013 at 1:32 am

        Very welcome! I had tears streaming after today’s recap! Was nice to laugh after such a looooooonnnnnnggggg day!

  22. 05/02/2013 at 12:54 am

    okies… Im re-freshed and back… anyone still here? Just read Donchais’ recap.. always the first thing I do when I have missed part or all of the night before..

    Now.. this is worrying.. this typo… oopsies… this doesn’t sound good. but of course I am yet to see this…. before I plunge in .. is this worrying or is this handled definitely by Dr Horn?

    • donchais
      05/02/2013 at 12:57 am

      Handled in my unprofessional book!

      • Moon
        05/02/2013 at 12:59 am

        He looked extremely hot n dreamy today! thanks for the pic of him!! MMMmmmm

      • 05/02/2013 at 1:01 am

        so does Dr Horn handle it unprofessionally? So it’s bad? maybe I’m not as refreshed as I thought.. Donchais if you are messin with me I still have cobwebs! 😀

      • Kristy
        05/02/2013 at 1:03 am

        Do you mean because of his comment that was saying yes I hope folks are dead when I see them?

      • 05/02/2013 at 3:42 am

        ahhhhhh I finally see what you are meaning Donchais! I completely misinterpreted your answer..

        I was thinking you were saying you had an unprofessional book.. now re-reading it for the 122645th time.. I see something entirely different 😳

    • Kristy
      05/02/2013 at 1:01 am

      I think it was deftly handled. He simply said it was a typo and didn’t dwell. He said that it had to have entered the dura matter (sp?). No shyte it had to have entered the dura matter.

      • 05/02/2013 at 1:06 am

        ok ok good…. not that it matters.. because if he is shot in the face.. how the heck can she testify she was still in mortal danger and that she didn’t even know she shot him..

        .. and still wouldn’t explain the magic bullet casing.

      • 05/02/2013 at 3:16 am

        She didn’t know she shot him…ummm,did she not hear the loud BANG when the gun went off? Lol…

      • 05/02/2013 at 6:45 am

        And if it did enter the dura matter…incapacitation! Right? That’s what Geffner was basing his testimony on, wasn’t he?

    • 05/02/2013 at 1:05 am

      maybe I misread it.. I thought there is a typo in Dr Horn’s report re the membrane being damaged… I better go back and re-read. I may have completely misinterpreted it.

      • Kristy
        05/02/2013 at 1:12 am

        It depends on how the jurors see the typo as well as his response to the error. I don’t remember her saying that he said there was a no dura matter during his discussions with the defense or on the stand. I think what she nailed him on was that he said his report was accurate.

        I think that is in reference to how shoddy Dr. Samuals was and trying to equate the ME to Dr. Samuals. I’m glad the jurors asked about it to get clarity. Hopefully I’m not seeing a glass half full.

        Of course, the jurors would have to say to themselves that all of the oddities of Jodi’s stories are true along with the brain not being impacted by the bullet wound. After all the stories on brain injury we’ve been hearing about due to the Iraq war, we haven’t heard about folks continuing on and functioning after getting head injuries.

    • NancyB
      05/02/2013 at 1:47 am

      Oh I think it’s not a big deal at all. There are typos all the time in medical reports. When I 1st heard that testimony I knew that Juan HAD to get Dr Horn to straighten it out and I was soooo relieved when Donchais posted that he was there! I was shocked that JW had not brought it up and I was thrilled that one juror was so intelligent to clear that loose thread up. Dr Horn was smiling with the jurors after the 1st question about are all his patients dead or something like that and he told them “he hoped so”. 2nd & last question was the smart juror wondering about how the bullet entered the frontal lobe with the Dura Mater intact. I truly think that it’s a non issue BUT you know that Nurmi will make a HUGE deal of it in his closing arguments. That stupid Dr Geffner & JW mispronounced Dura Mater all day and it was driving me nuts!!

      • 05/02/2013 at 1:59 am

        are you spoiling it all for me NancyB 😛

      • 05/02/2013 at 6:41 am

        I interpret this whole part in a much more sinister way. Since the defense and Geffner discussed the gunshot wound all day as though it were a fact that the dura matter was left in tact…since that’s what the ME report said, that the DT really wanted to leave that error untouched since it benefited Jodi. Geffner said many times he assumed the ME report was accurate. Wilmott’s last question to Horn was to make him affirm that indeed his entire report was accurate. It then took a very astute and wise juror to point out that this typographical error existed in the report. Now that Horn acknowledged the error, the defense will not be able to say the ME’s report benefits Jodi as they were prior. I don’t think it’s a small deal. Then again, it is late.

    • 05/02/2013 at 6:48 am

      We need to thank that juror for helping Horn see that typo. Now the defense’s entire theory is gone, as it was based on the ME’s “accurate” report stating the dura matter was in tact. Since it wasn’t, everything Geffner was saying about incapacitation is out the window!

  23. Moon
    05/02/2013 at 12:57 am

    well i think that is why the Juanster ended with blonde doc. He is always so far ahead of the rest of us! It was a pretty awful day listening to Walking idiot and “dr” g… but you willl love blonde doc! and ………… lions and tigers and bears and gophers!!! can’t wait till you see the last bit! It didn’t even end till 830 az time…

  24. 05/02/2013 at 1:14 am

    The thing I hate most about all of this.. and it far outweighs playing with words and dissecting testimonies..

    Is that this evil doppelgänger uses her heinous cold blooded, vicious murder of a decent, innocent human being to try to justify her actions…. and just sits there calmly, totally detached from the proceedings as if she had nothing to do with any of it.

    THAT above all else drives me freakin insane!!!

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 1:27 am

      And, she seems to so relish it ALL! That is what creeps me out! She loves thinking she is running this show and everyone is just in awe of her!

    • Kristy
      05/02/2013 at 1:29 am

      I can’t see how the jury has any reason to relate to Jodi based on her demeanor during the trial. She seems to be the anti-defense client.

      I certainly hope that the jury, who doesn’t have the knowledge that the rest of us do that watch the trial and see external influences see Jodi for what she is.

    • NancyB
      05/02/2013 at 1:51 am

      It does me too. She gave the evil eye to Dr Horn and then with her head down BS. how perfect that her whole effing defense is devoid of taking ANY responsibility! It’s so perfect for her.

      • 05/02/2013 at 2:00 am

        yes.. exactly! that’s what it’s all about.. oh I’m so great I slit his throat and got rid of him because he didn’t want me and I even got away with it.

        That would make her even MORE dangerous!!

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 1:57 am

      H Syn- glad you got some sleep! Yes, that is infuriating! Sitting there utterly void of real emotion, doodling, jotting, smirking and whispering to Perkster! I can’t stand the thought of her “winning”, or even her “thinking” she won.

      I’m heading to bed now (nearly 1am). 💤

      • 05/02/2013 at 2:05 am

        FOL – you echo my sentiments. We both feel and I mean FEEL that the same way. Sleep peacefully the emotional roller coaster is about to get worse me thinks. I just hope the ending is fair and just it will be hard to take if she wins.

  25. Gracerv7
    05/02/2013 at 1:17 am

    Does anyone feel the gopher reference could of possibly offended juror who asked lion or bear question? I haven’t seen end so I don’t know yet how it was referenced but I read the comments and the thought is bothering me.

    • Kristy
      05/02/2013 at 1:26 am

      I hope not. The reality is that each experience is different, not matter if it sounds similar. And that was I think the real point of the question. It may have been a trick question like asking someone if “When did they start beating their wife” or however that phrase goes. Yet, it did resonate because that phrase was brought up over and over again today.

      • Gracerv7
        05/02/2013 at 1:30 am

        Ok I don’t even know why that thought popped into my head but it did! I’ll see tomorrow when I catch up on the last part of today’s trial.

    • Moon
      05/02/2013 at 1:31 am

      NO i don’t think so at all! I think it put the entire issue to rest!

    • 05/02/2013 at 6:33 am


  26. 05/02/2013 at 1:21 am

    Kristy :
    It depends on how the jurors see the typo as well as his response to the error. I don’t remember her saying that he said there was a no dura matter during his discussions with the defense or on the stand. I think what she nailed him on was that he said his report was accurate.

    kk thankyou Kristy.. just hope through all the cr@p the jurors see that when it boils down to the basics… she did this deliberately and in a cold calculating manner for one reason and one reason only….

    She could not stand that he didn’t want her and saw through to her inner nature.

    A soul-less, evil. self centred manipulator who will always be a danger to society because she is incapable of remorse for even the most heinous actioins.

  27. HJ Madison
    05/02/2013 at 1:24 am

    Moon: If you are still there …. 2nd degree + heat of passion = manslaughter

    13-1103. Manslaughter; classification
    A. A person commits manslaughter by:
    1. Recklessly causing the death of another person; or
    2. Committing second degree murder as defined in section 13-1104, subsection A upon a sudden quarrel or heat of passion resulting from adequate provocation by the victim

    I still don’t get where self-defense fits …. guess we will learn tomorrow!

    • Moon
      05/02/2013 at 1:33 am

      well imo, if they wanted to go with manslaughter they shouldn’t have proceeded with a self defense duhfense!

  28. Moon
    05/02/2013 at 1:26 am

    OOO lawdy! I just saw on the boobtube Dr Horns reply to juror ? On the autopsys you’ve performed with those that had gsw, were they dead?! he says I hope so!! hahahah omg

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 1:28 am

      I know … the juror cracked a joke!

      • Kristy
        05/02/2013 at 1:37 am

        I actually wasn’t happy at Horns response given that this is a dp trial. I see that as something one would say to friends and family, but as a ME he should have been totally serious. Of course, he was being asked a nonsensical question regarding the people he looked at. being a ME he only looked at dead folks.

      • HJ Madison
        05/02/2013 at 1:42 am

        I heard it as more like “Who is buried in Grants tomb?”. These people are EXHAUSTED — and you know the good Dr. gets asked that all the time. I agree, DP is serious, but I think everyone is at their wits end.

      • Commerce1
        05/02/2013 at 3:41 am

        Agreed. He deflected it very well. And looked adorable doing it . It was seriously much ado about nothing. The defense is grasping at straws. A typo. Seriously. Give me a break.

    • Moon
      05/02/2013 at 1:48 am

      I loved his reply!

      • NancyB
        05/02/2013 at 1:55 am

        So did I and he was smiling while looking at the jurors for a long time which tells me that they were smiling back at him. It was all good.

    • ringadingding
      05/02/2013 at 9:33 am

      I need to find that clip. If I were on the jury, I’d be tempted to ask if it’s possible to practice law with a damaged frontal lobe. Clearly, the DT is making me think it’s likely.

      • Jill
        05/02/2013 at 11:20 am

        That is so funny!

  29. Marilyn N
    05/02/2013 at 1:34 am

    Here’s the Dr.Drew show with Skye Hughes from last night.
    She comes on around the 26 minute mark.

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 1:38 am

      Syntara: You should hear this. Before Skye, I would guess within the first ten minutes, the Dr. talks about BPD as “jello” conforming to any vessel. Interesting.

      • 05/02/2013 at 1:40 am

        That is not only BPD.. that overlaps with a number of Cluster B diagnosis. It’s the chameleon effect.

    • 05/02/2013 at 1:43 am

      Thanks Marilyn.. I will watch the whole thing. ONce again I appreciate you providing these links. Thank you so much!

  30. Kristy
    05/02/2013 at 1:41 am

    Gracerv7 :
    Ok I don’t even know why that thought popped into my head but it did! I’ll see tomorrow when I catch up on the last part of today’s trial.

    I don’t know, we’ll see how it plays out. Sure it could offend, but if it was me, I’d take it as a plus as a juror that folks thought what I said was important to consider. But that’s me.

    • Gracerv7
      05/02/2013 at 1:52 am

      Good point! Especially since its been brought up so much since the question was asked. Geez I never even considered the juror being flattered by it!

  31. Marilyn N
    05/02/2013 at 1:41 am

    Jodi Arias Trial – Day 54 – Part 1

    Jodi Arias Trial – Day 54 – Part 2

    Jodi Arias Trial – Day 54 – Part 3 (Cross starts)

    Jodi Arias Trial – Day 54 – Part 4

    Jodi Arias Trial – Day 54 – Part 5

    Jodi Arias Trial – Day 54 – Part 6

    • Marilyn N
      05/02/2013 at 1:42 am

      sorry, my transfer didn’t work!

      • HJ Madison
        05/02/2013 at 1:45 am

        No, but it was interesting to see it went out to 6 parts today! Long day!

      • Marilyn N
        05/02/2013 at 1:50 am

        There are more – just weren’t available yet.

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 9:04 am

      It looks nice though Marilyn – all lined up and everything! 😀

  32. SeniorMoments
    05/02/2013 at 1:46 am

    Thanks, donchais! It’s been good to “see” you again! Great job managing the board!

    I wish I were less pessimistic, but as I’ve droned on to anyone who’d listen, I’ve watched case after case of ” sure” guilty verdicts go the other way. Because she has bent over backward to preserve this trial, I think the judge will make every decision possible that favors the defense in both charges and jury instructions. I can only hope that the jury gets it right! I can live with either the DP or LWP, but anything that would lead to celebration by the DT would be devastating!

  33. Gracerv7
    05/02/2013 at 1:47 am

    Nite all! And Donchais thank you for your wonderful site. I can’t tell you how much time I log on here each day. As much as I wish Travis was alive and well and we all had no reason to be here, I’m going to miss “seeing” everyone and reading all the different theories and opinions on this trial. I pray for Justice in this case every nite and I feel confident the jury will do the right thing.

  34. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 1:48 am

    (I’m super tired, so this likely makes little sense!)
    What a day! I can’t believe ALL testimony is finally over!!! Enduring the “water spilling, fumbling, BURPING, false smiling, TWIT of a doc”. Questions from Perky that were stupid beyond imagination, and near the end, became down right cruel and thoughtless to the Alexander family. Juan had several stellar moments- loved the “gopher vs lion” and “Is Prosecuter 6′ or 6’2″…. I’m a bit worried about a couple of juror Q’s and feel uneasy about “Dr. Rob Lowe Horn” admitting to a typo. But hopefully it was recovered by Juan. Mostly I think today was a complete waste of time, JMO. I look forward to closing from Juan, and am dreading the defense’s FINAL trashing of Travis.

    I hope the Travis and his family get justice, I pray the jury GETS IT, and focuses on what it’s really about. A jealous psychopath that premeditated a horrific murder.

    “See” you all tomorrow!

    • 05/02/2013 at 1:56 am

      byeeeeee FOL.

      • Family of Law
        05/02/2013 at 2:01 am

        Nite Syn 😌 (see upstairs).

    • C.I.
      05/02/2013 at 4:43 am

      Could not have said it better myself. Bedtime here almost 3 am. See you all for closing.

    • 05/02/2013 at 6:26 am

      I’m not worries about the typo. I really think the juror GOT IT. It was almost like a direct response to Wilmott expressly making Horn put on the record that his report “was accurate”. I think they knew that typo was in there and helped Jodi. Geffner’s testimony was predicated on this report that had this typo. Now that the typo has been admitted to, thanks to an alert juror who pointed it out, it completely negates everything Geffner said in that area. Smart juror!!

      • 05/02/2013 at 6:27 am

        Typo: *worried* hahaha!

      • Family of Law
        05/02/2013 at 10:07 am

        Morning Crystal 🙂 I was not thinking of the juror question like that… But thanks to your talke on it, I feel so much better! Dr. Horn did handle it well, and Juan did a good job buttoning it up. The fact the a PhD was even allowed to give a (lengthy) “opinion” was just SO crazy! I am also hoping the jury is thinking, “why didn’t the defense find an ME to testify”?

  35. Moon
    05/02/2013 at 1:51 am

    nite (((fol))) I am out too…. nite ev1

    • 05/02/2013 at 1:55 am

      nite Moon

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 1:59 am

      Night Moon – sleep well. Tomorrow is a BIG day ((((hugs))))

  36. 05/02/2013 at 1:55 am

    Found em have em lined up on my apple tv playlist! Watching your Dr Drew vid first though .. I find the Skye Hughes factor fascinating.. because it was sooo important to Jodi.. she hated Skye Hughes because she saw through Jodi first.

    That’s why so much of interrogation vid 2 is Jodi rambling about the Hughes’ particularly Skye. It shows what was important to Jodi.

    Maybe some don’t put relevance in psychology… but we are all humans and the more we understand about human nature the better seems astounding to me not to see it that way. I can’t see it any other way. I guess that’s why I’m in what I deem an extremely important field and not in what I consider a frivolous area.

    We all have different perspectives and that’s what makes us individuals.

    • Commerce1
      05/02/2013 at 3:47 am

      Syn – From my experience, sociopaths are most threatened by those who “have their number.” Those who see through them and know who and what they are become enemy #1. Partly because they are of no use to the sociopath because they can no longer be manipulated and also because they are a person who can reveal them for what they are. At that point, they become someone who must be attacked and demonized because they are a threat. At this point, the sociopath usually engages in character assassination because they need to make the person who might expose them appear to be crazy, or a criminal or something undesirable that makes them less credible……..

      • 05/02/2013 at 3:48 am

        yep that’s it in a nutshell.

  37. NancyB
    05/02/2013 at 1:58 am

    Syn are you still here???

    • 05/02/2013 at 2:06 am

      ya Nance, Im watching the vids. 😀

      • NancyB
        05/02/2013 at 2:26 am

        I wanted to tell you how awesome your blog looks!!!!! You have done an entire re-model and I love it. The only thing I miss is not having a place where I can leave you a message or some of my thoughts. I spent about an hour there last night and can’t wait to go back to read more. Oh, I know that you aren’t done and that you’re just midway through your entire redo but boy you have put a lot of work into it. Ohhh, I also meant to mention that the graphics are fabulous!!!

      • 05/02/2013 at 2:39 am

        Nancy you should be able to comment on the bottom of any of the pages…. plus there is chat pages you can go to.. chat page 3 is currently in use.

        Thanks for saying that.. I’m really lacking in confidence with it by just tryig to build it and put the feelings of inadequacy behind me for the moment cos there is so much content to get up.

      • C.I.
        05/02/2013 at 4:49 am

        What blog Syn -would love to see it

  38. Tracey A
    05/02/2013 at 2:15 am

    Hey Donchais! Thanks so much for your recap!!! I’ve been gone for what feels like an eternity. Dealing with a major family crisis for the past few days. And I was so looking forward to hearing today’s testiphony but, alas, was kept away yet again. I heard about 5 mins of Dr. Jill Hayes on the stand before Juan said “The State rests”. I’m so tired at this point, I’m just diving in where ever I may land. Consider the next few cases of $2 Chuck on me. Thanks again for everything you do. Eeennaanndd…I’ve gotta try get up early to hear Juan’s closing when all I want to do is sleep for days. I guess the only benefit is that I didn’t have to experience my ears bleeding whenever Perky was up. TG for that! Cheers, GF! For all that you do… 🙂 Nite all…see ya on the other side.

    • NancyB
      05/02/2013 at 2:29 am

      Dear Tracey, So sorry to hear about the major family crisis. Sending you BIG ((((((hugs)))))

    • 05/02/2013 at 2:45 am

      Trace hope everything is ok. Nice to see you but not under these circumstances. Hope it works out soon whatever it is. Wishing you all the best.

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 10:10 am

      Morning Tracey, I’m very sorry to hear your having such a difficult time… I hope everything gets better soon. ((((Hugs)))) to you!

  39. 05/02/2013 at 2:16 am

    NancyB :
    So did I and he was smiling while looking at the jurors for a long time which tells me that they were smiling back at him. It was all good.

    Looking forward to seeing this jury question! On the surface sounds like that jury is sick of the crap but I need a context. (Unlike lala!) 😀

  40. Kristy
    05/02/2013 at 2:18 am

    HJ Madison :
    I heard it as more like “Who is buried in Grants tomb?”. These people are EXHAUSTED — and you know the good Dr. gets asked that all the time. I agree, DP is serious, but I think everyone is at their wits end.

    It is exhausting. I can’t imagine how Travis’s family has been holding up through this.

  41. 05/02/2013 at 2:25 am

    Watching the Dr Drew and I agree with that Janine person…. I believe the Judge shows more of a bond to the DT.. whether it is to Perky personally or to Arias.. I don’t know.. I tend to think it is a Perky link. Which is what I tried to say yesterday.

    I think she finds it difficult to stand up to the DT because there is some kind of personal link. It may not be an affinity to Jodi perse . I hope I’m reading that right because would hate to think the bond stems from sympathy to Jodistein.. that’s unthinkable to me.

    • NancyB
      05/02/2013 at 2:30 am

      Now that she said it I have noticed it all day today and after I asked you about it this morning and you too saw it. It’s actually blatant.

    • Sazzy
      05/02/2013 at 2:32 am

      I don'[t see it. I agree she gives in to every one of Wilma’s stupid “can we approaches” but I find her to overrule more on DT & have much more respect for Juan

      • 05/02/2013 at 2:40 am

        watch the body language that’s where it shows very strongly.. well to me it’s strongly. Not saying she dislikes Juan not at all.. just that there is a strong bond with Perky… that’s how it presents

    • 05/02/2013 at 3:22 am

      She probably has a daughter and feels bad for Jodi..blah blah blah…sick.

    • Lisa M
      05/02/2013 at 12:24 pm

      Really? I haven’t seen that. I tend to think the opposite. I get the feeling she enjoys overruling Wilmot’s objections.

      • Lisa M
        05/02/2013 at 12:26 pm

        Although I haven’t taken note of the judge’s body language — do you mean during sidebars? — so I don’t have an opinion on that. I just get the sense she overrules the DT more, but maybe it’s because I’m so happy when she does, I notice it more than when she overrules Juan.

  42. Sazzy
    05/02/2013 at 2:27 am

    A few comments on your (as usual wonderful recap):

    “Testiphony” = LOVE it

    Proven during this trial: D students become defense witnesses while A students become prosecution witnesses.

    Geffner was a typical defense witness – burping under direct by Wilma then spilling his water all over the table & saying “oh shit” 2x while under Juan’s cross.

    Geffner: Prior to bringing up Alyce LaViolette, his testimony is worthless / After bringing up LaViolette, he’s asking “do you want fries with that order”?

    “Samuels, LaVioltte, and Geffner will be opening a car wash soon” – don’t forget to add Gus Searcy to that group.

    Seriously, I really hope that ANYONE that was ever on the losing end of a case where LaViolette or this moron were involved in ANYWAY get it reevaluated ASAP.

    Dr. Jill Hayes was honest, articulate, intelligent, & beautiful & finally brought commonsense back to this trial.

    • 05/02/2013 at 6:16 am

      Too bad you only have 60 days to file an Appeal. Otherwise, SOL!

  43. jad
    05/02/2013 at 2:28 am


    I have served on several Juries at the federal level (including as a Foreman in a somewhat protracted case) and I understand the federal Rules, as well as the State Rules to serve (as a Juror) in my home State. Is Arizona that different? How is it that a Juror was already able to read the Autopsy Report of the M.E., Kevin Horn? Are the Rules of Court so different in the State of Arizona that there is a special grant of allowance to Jury members to let them review evidence during the case itself? If not, how did the Juror get a hold of the Autopsy Report in order to pick it apart and find that one [almost] insignificant typographical error (that is not that insignificant)?

    It seemed that WillNot prepared for that Juror’s question, by initially making an effort to question the completeness of that Report and to make sure that ALL of the Jurors heard that the Report had been reviewed for correctness. Basically, the response of the M.E. concerning the Autopsy Report was that it was up to snuff. The next thing that followed was one question submitted by the Jury (to which the M.E. responded). This was followed by one question posed by the prosecutor and another posed by WillNot (of which the M.E. answered). Then, one more Juror’s question was submitted (that dealt with whether there was or was not damage to [the fibrous matter covering the brain] the dura mater, that was mispronounced by BOTH the Judge and the criminal lawyer WillNot). However, this question had nothing to do with the response by the M.E. or the two questions [posed by the lawyers] of which the Jurors would have heard the answers (and based their question). This also dealt with a matter that was solely contained in the Autopsy Report. So, where did that slip of paper with that particular question come from? If this was NOT submitted by a Juror, how has the process become tainted? If the question was submitted by a Juror, exactly when did that Juror read that Autopsy Report in order to catch that particular error?

    If the Jury is already permitted to review the evidence, this does not need a drawn out response, if too much bother. However, a yes or no and a pointing to the area in the Rules the answer could be found would be appreciated.


    • jad
      05/02/2013 at 5:31 am

      SORRY DONCHAIS. That was rude to post before I read. (You covered the typo I addressed, and others had already discussed it when I posted.) Please forgive the faux pas. Regrettably, I got carried away with my frustration with what has been allowed with this Trial, and common sense went out the window. That space should not have been taken up with that worry [that was already being brought out by fellow peeps who knew much more about the subject matter]. I am sorry.

      I did not read and catch up [on my time delay] before posting. The only excuse I have is that I could no longer stomach listening to this so-called expert [and had hit mute]. If I had listened [and not sped through], I would have heard the discussion between WillNot and this so-called expert, and the error would not have been committed. The only excuse that can be given is that the testiphony was scrambling my mind and I felt the need to escape or else be stuck in a time warp with a male version of LaViolette. First, he droned on-and-on-and-on. [All I can say is] that miserable flat tone of voice they have affects me in a negative way. Then, when his voice switched over to that which sounded more like Darryl Brewer, it gave me the creeps. This was after I knew I could not watch the testiphony because this so-called expert reminded me of that first so-called expert witness (that introduced that recorded phone sex tape). It was just too much, and I just could not go through with trying to take notes. These characters are too sleazy, and this one and that other sleazeball (that I remember Robert in Rotterdam saying something about being a brat or son of someone in the hierarchy of NBC) definitely belong with Jodi Arias and her ilk — you know, birds of a feather. Anyway, this type reminds me of that role played by Robin Williams in One Hour Photo. There is just something so creepy with them, that it is too hard to explain.

      These accusations of pedophilia [in this case] in combination with those creatures crawling out of the woodwork have given me the heebie-jeebies. For the past several weeks, I have tried to fit these worms in with certain facts gleaned from that Casey Anthony case. I wish I were more adept at jailbreaking because I would have finished piecing together all of those broken pieces from that computer and put the d*mn puzzle together. Hey, there’s still time. When Wendy Murphy mentioned pedophilia with that Casey Anthony case, that bit of information was stored away to be used another day.

      This [review on the Amazon web site] was posted the day before on the last page before this one:
      Please look very, very closely at Robert Geffner, April 23, 2013
      By Bradley Hall (London United Kingdom) – See all my reviews
      This review is from: Identifying and Treating Sex Offenders: Current Approaches, Research, and Techniques (Journal of Child Sexual Abuse Monographic “Separates”) (Paperback)
      I believe everyone should read this book, and every book by Geffner, and closely examine the entire body of work and entire career of Geffner and of all of his close collaborators. I believe that what we will find will open our eyes.

      In the footnotes on Page 13 of the Summary Judgment in favor of plaintiffs in Morris vs. Dearborne:
      “17. The child was made to play a game where she was given points for circling the words “f* *k” and “p*n*s;” however, she was never able to do so without prompting. Additionally, Goforth asked the child to draw “lick p*n*s” and “f* *k” and even asked the child to “show [her] how to f* *k.” These counseling sessions took place under the supervision of GEFFNER, through CTPS.

      This so-called expert is a real toad. Where did the criminal lawyers get such a line-up of these creatures more suited to scurrying around or slithering to-and-fro? At least more people seem to see into what this really is and what these pathetic excuses for humans really are.

      • 05/02/2013 at 11:41 am

        I am glad you posted your 1st post cuz I was surprised so many people missed the significance of that juror’s question and how significant it was and how much it helped the prosecution to get that typo on the record.

  44. 05/02/2013 at 2:33 am

    good – they show the clip of Dr Demarte reiterating it isn’t low self esteem.. it’s lack of definite personality.. ie her personality morphs constantly. It’s so weird to explain.. she has no personality.. but in fact that is her personality to have no personality.. just a convenient persona to project whatever she wants to project at any given time.

    Hence this woman’s description of the jello molding.

  45. 05/02/2013 at 2:48 am

    I love these Hughes interviews.. it just spells out exactly what I know of Jodistein but actually has his closest friends saying it. Thanks Marilyn SOOOOO much for giving me access to these.

  46. 05/02/2013 at 3:02 am

    ahhh yes she even threatened the suicide if he cut ties with her… that’s EXACTLY what doofus did to me. It is such an extreme a violation, it’s pure psychological and emotional abuse and it creates a form of real PTSD.

    It’s manipulation and you know it BUT in your heart and conscience it elicits a tug of war you think “well they won’t kill themselves” but then you think “what if they do? what if he/she does it? How would I live with myself?”

    This is all what I suspected. Oh how I know what Travis went through, oh how I know what this feels like! I also understand the mechanics of it theoretically.

    This is why it’s not cut and dried to extricate yourself from these people. They do everything EVERYTHING to keep control of you.

    If EVER you even suspect someone is like this.. RUN RUN at the very first red flag..

    Don’t excuse them.. don’t think “well they have been so nice up to now and done this and that. They have been so good to me surely this must just be an anomaly”. DON”T chance it.. Trust your instincts and get the hell out of the situation IMMEDIATELY. If you see it happening to someone you care about .. give them all the literature you can about these people. MAKE them see what is happening.

    These are dangerous characters. Extremely dangerous characters.. It is so important to educate yourself about these people and so important for everyone around you to know what people like this are capable of.

    • Commerce1
      05/02/2013 at 3:55 am

      I agree 1000% percent, Syn. You get sucked in. You are a good person and you care about other people. If someone threatens suicide as a result of you breaking off the relationship, you feel guilty and responsible. This is how normal people with consciences feel. But these people take advantage of our normal human feelings. They don’t have any of these feelings themselves. But they use ours to manipulate us into feeling sorry for them and to become engaged in their issues. Run. Please run. Don’t buy into this. It is a trap. A dangerous, scary trap.

      • 05/02/2013 at 3:56 am

        yep to them we are weak and it is up to them to take every advantage of our weakness because they are the superior beings.

      • Commerce1
        05/02/2013 at 4:02 am

        MIne used to actually mock me when I would start to get angry. He’d say, Hillarie (that’s my name) you’re better than this. You shouldn’t get mad at me. You’re always better than this.

    • 05/02/2013 at 6:14 am

      And don’t let them use the excuse of attending one of Alyce LaViolette’s Domestic Violence Anger Management classes as a way to keep you. It’s a crock of shit!

      • Anonymous
        05/02/2013 at 11:19 am

        Amen, Sista!!!!!

    • Lisa M
      05/02/2013 at 12:17 pm

      Threatening to kill yourself is definitely a form of emotional terrorism. My cousin’s husband did it repeatedly when she was trying to leave him. He finally made good on his threat. It’s horrible to do that to a person.

      • 05/02/2013 at 5:12 pm

        Agreed. At least he only took his own life, rather than the whole “murder-suicide” route.

  47. 05/02/2013 at 3:13 am

    Just need to vent guys.
    What a day! I wanted to gauge my eyes out with a spoon during Wilma’s show. After all this time she still doesn’t see how much of an ass she is? Again, her questions make no sense half the time..the ok’s..and so you saids made me nuts too! How many times have witnesses said they didn’t understand her question? The continual reviews of what was already said and discussed as she uses her accusatory tone as if she’s going to catch them in a lie. The list goes on. She doesn’t know how to STFU everrrr!

    Judge Stephens is a joke. I’m so sick of her leniency with the DT. They have gotten away with murder(no pun intended) and the NON-STOP “may we approach” and objections by Jenny from the block have wasted valuable time. She’s a wuss and doesn’t deserve her position in a murder trial. Maybe for traffic violations but a DP case? Nope! If Judge Blevin Perry was on this case everyone would have been thrown out. She also should have put a stop to JA and JW having a little party at their table. The constant whispering, note passing, eye rolling, giggling and coaching of witnesses on the stand should have been stopped from day 1! It was very childish, distracting and unprofessional what the DT was doing. I hope the jury noticed it since they did notice AL constantly looking at the DT table and smiling at Jodi.

    Who cares if she has BPD, PTSD or schizophrenia! The fact of the matter is that she murdered Travis and it was 100% premeditated. The proof is there. Tons of proof. Millions of lies. Deceitful behaviors. Manipulation. She was the abuser. SHE was the sexual deviant. She was EVERYTHING the defense claimed Travis was. So why bother wasting all those days and all the tax payers money just to try and prove these diagnoses? If only 4 (alleged) physical fights..again alleged..or some angry name calling and angry nasty words define domestic violence then every single couple/woman in the world must be battered! They are drifting away from what this case is about.

    She can’t win! She can’t get manslaughter! Imagine the gloating, giggles and smirks from the bff’s?? Oh dear lord. Please help us. Justice for Travis!!!!

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 3:40 am

      Good rant! Hang in there … really …. You said it exactly … it is all about premeditation. I have never, ever seen so much circumstantial evidence stack up this way. Every month, hundreds of criminals are found guilty on much, much less. And I think, in a way, this battle of the experts is going to be ok because it is just so hard for any “rational” human to wrap their mind around the nature of this crime. And this endless on..and on .. just helped “ease” us into the idea that she did it in a cold calculating way and deserves nothing less than 1st degree. And the judge (who is awful) has given them EVERY opportunity now ….. everything ….. and I think it is because she too sees it as a slam dunk and never ever wants it back in her courtroom again. I just must believe this ….

  48. 05/02/2013 at 3:18 am

    another very interesting thing Skye says….Jodi claimed she has a vision from god that she was destined to marry Travis…

    this is EXACTLY what she claimed Travis said to her about [I think] it was Mimi.. (in an early interrogation vid) this is a classic example of Jodistein telling the truth but reversing her thinking and projecting it onto Travis. NO way did Travis say that, in fact I don’t believe any of that story about her being on the bed and him showing Mimi’s face book page to Jodi is true in any way.

    Jodi KNOWS exactly what she is doing, she knows her inner thoughts are diabolical… she uses all her twisted inner thinkings to portray Travis as herself. Knowing it is not how he was, it is actually how she is. This is why she cannot write a diary like the rest of us.. how can she write her inner thoughts when they are twisted evilness? She can’t and she knows it!

    She lives her whole life trying to hide her inner nature.. that’s why she can offer up her diaries to Detective Flores… “Hey did you see my diaries? They show I’m not a bad person.. go read them you’ll see”

    • Commerce1
      05/02/2013 at 4:00 am

      Do you recall how she testified she was at Travis’ memorial service and that she was in a room by herself and felt Travis was “there” letting her know he was OK and everything was alright? As if his spirit visited her and told her it was peachy keen that she’d killed him cause it was part of some master plan? I found that to be so offensive. Particularly to his family.

      • 05/02/2013 at 4:03 am

        yep.. and I believe this goes to her killing him to keep him with her.. and also the throat slit .. the salvation.. yes i killed you but I sent you to eternal salvation to make sure you lived eternally in heaven.

        It all ties in. It’s so bizarre yet when you twist your mind into her disordered way of thinking.. it makes so much sense. But we must be careful not to stay there.. for if we dwell there too long it affects us in terrifying ways.

      • Commerce1
        05/02/2013 at 4:16 am

        Exactly, Syn. It’s terrifying. You want to go there to a certain extent beause you’re trying to figure out WTF went on…..but the reality is that it is far beyond that. She is a beast that will be studied for many years to come and will eventually be determined to be a monster far beyond what we even know now. Once she has been convicted and no one is concerned about her rights as a defendent, they will study her and figure out all the psychopathology that afflicts her. It wil be fascinating.

  49. Commerce1
    05/02/2013 at 4:08 am

    You all are so awesome. I love and appreciate and rely on your perspective on this stuff so much. It’s the collaboration that makes this so awesome. Each person brings so much perspective and knowledge together and makes us all so much better and knowledgeable as a whole. Thank you everyone!!!!!

  50. 05/02/2013 at 4:09 am

    Commerce1 :
    MIne used to actually mock me when I would start to get angry. He’d say, Hillarie (that’s my name) you’re better than this. You shouldn’t get mad at me. You’re always better than this.

    OH I know!!! I had the same .. mine was more like Jodi did to Travis…. deliberately push the buttons, keep lying when he begged her not to.. Doofus would act all self righteous about being calm and me ranting at him. He literally fed off my anguish.. if I was calm he was in turmoil.. soon as he pressed enough of my buttons to rile me… immediately he calmed.

    It’s pure psychological and emotional abuse.. and they do it deliberately.. and you know it.. so that makes it even more frustrating.. and they know it’s even more frustrating to you.. so they keep doing it…. and that’s the never ending cycle and what drives you to pound your head on the wall!!

    • 05/02/2013 at 4:18 am

      Commerce1.. were it not for psychology branching into this…. that lead to my need to further my studies to understand and research it myself… i would not be here today.. I would be dead.

      I have absolutely no doubt about that.

      The field of psychology, and those within it who truly seek to understand human nature… literally saved my life. If I can even impact one person then I feel I have at least partially reciprocated in kind.

      I don’t think there are many professions who have that capacity to impact an individual. I am sure I am not alone.. so many who come across these people look to those who understand it to bring them out of the abyss. Without it, you re left to drown in a never ending vortex of turmoil and pain wondering wtf just happened and how the heck you got there.

      • Commerce1
        05/02/2013 at 4:26 am

        Yes, Syntara. And thank God for you and people like you. Had I not gone into therapy I would literally be dead or institutionalized right now. I literally suffered a nervous break down because of my ex. I went from a person who was described as an “over-acheiver” by people to someone who could barely get through they day. I was literally on the verge of self-destructing when I came to the realization I had to leave and save my son and myself or literally self-destruct. It’s taken years to overcome the damage he did. I am still working to overcome it. These are dangerous, destructive people.

      • 05/02/2013 at 4:33 am

        I would never wish it on anyone.. never.. but i think you can only truly understand if you live it.

        It’s easy from the outside… when it isn’t happening to you or hasn’t happened to you .. to think.. well why don’t they just leave… anyone.. ANYONE.. can inadvertently be caught by these types.. anyone who is kind, compassionate and empathetic. Anyone who has true human qualities.

        We are the weak to these monsters.. because they know it is those qualities they can appeal to when they are sucking us to them. Playing their one sided game, one which the other person has no idea is being played.

        Like Skye Hughes warning Travis that the stalker email was pure manipulation to bring Jodi to Mesa to ‘protect’ her.

        He couldn’t believe she was capable of it.. because she would be constantly mind controlling him.. that’s why she even waited outside the loo when he used it…. making sure she was constantly there to keep him tied to her and continue her brain washing of him.

    • Commerce1
      05/02/2013 at 4:18 am

      Exactly. You completely understand because you have lived it just as I have.

      It’s your problem. It’s you. You’re the one with the issues. It’s not them………

      • 05/02/2013 at 4:21 am

        yeah it’s gaslighting.. have you watched that movie? It’s good for her she has someone to save her.. I didn’t have that hero in real life.. I had to dig myself out.

        it’s a 1940s movie.

  51. 05/02/2013 at 4:42 am

    Hillarie…. we share something very few poeple can understand. I think we are so strong to have come through this. I don’t know how you do it with a son. I assume ‘he’ is the father. I cannot imagine what that would be like because for me I had to take the no contact ever again route.. how do you do that with a son?

    If I am stepping on too personal ground ignore my line of questioning.

    • Anonymous
      05/02/2013 at 11:26 am

      It took several restraining orders to finally limit our communication to in writing only. That way I have documentation of everything he says to me. I literally have not spoken to him verbally in 5 years. Everything is through email or text message. It’s amazing how much self-control he has when he is writing something that I can easily pass on to a judge. It is the only thing that has shut him down.

      • commerce1
        05/02/2013 at 12:56 pm

        Syn – that Anonymous post at 11:26 am was me responding to your question. Not sure why it posted as Anonymous…….

        But to follow up, I had a judge limit his communication with me to in writing only and regarding parenting issues only. It was the only way to shut it down.

  52. 05/02/2013 at 5:59 am

    It’s 2:48am and I just finished watching today’s testimony. Wow! I can’t believe it’s all over. Here are my thoughts on yesterday.
    1. Dr Hayes may need to get a hearing test. Geez. I liked her, but seriously. She needs to get her ears checked.
    2. That last juror question to Dr Horn seemed VERY deliberate to save his report. Defense was really making the point about having Horn testify to his report being accurate. Then that juror pointed out the part about the “dura…whatever” in the brain. And BAM! Horn notices his typo mistake. Thank goodness.
    3. I can’t believe anything Wilmott asserts in her questions ever since her “Lenore Walker” fiasco. She is completely over her head in this trial. I had to laugh when she gets upset when JM objects, when her rate of objection to his is about 5-1. Also, it says a lot about her competence when it takes her five times as long to examine witnesses as it does Juan. The jury knows this.
    4. Geffner was rendered completely moot in all aspects of his testimony by the time the day was over. I never doubted this would be the case given his profile coming in and the skill of Juan Martinez.
    I think that’s it. I don’t feel like sleeping for some reason, but I’m gonna try. Goodnight!

  53. 05/02/2013 at 6:44 am

    LOL quick drop in… had to laugh.. Jodistein who is supposed to be a freakin genius of Einstein proportions… now doesn’t even have an iq of 119.. its 112! hahahaahahhha that’s barely above average.. I mean nothing special at all!!!

    yeah and she has self esteem probs!

    ok gotta run.. may not be around at the start of tonight.. err your today… but hoping to get back around 2:30am my time.. 11:30am AZ time. Hope it all goes well today. I’m not even sure what is supposed to be happing… the defenses closing?? sheesh maybe I should just wait and get it off boob tube as CC’sC calls it.

    Oh the part where the juror asks Dr Horn are people you autopsy dead 100% of the time…. part 7 jumps over and over and misses parts also. Right where that question he asks what I was viewing jumps… so I guess I need to hope another version comes out so I get to see it..

    wasn’t happy!!! Wonder why it was so bad quality through quite a bit of it. Anyone have probs viewing it live?

    • 05/02/2013 at 7:20 am

      Hi Syn- just wanna make sure you know it’s the Prosecution’s closing argument that goes first. Same order as the case itself for closing arguments.

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 10:28 am

      I was taken aback when Perky was the one saying (boasting?) that JA had a 112 IQ… Yup, she is a jenius! When did she drop 7 IQ points? Lol! Apparently we are the only ones losing IQ points during the trial!

      • Family of Law
        05/02/2013 at 10:30 am

        * we are NOT the only ones losing IQ points.

  54. 05/02/2013 at 7:23 am

    Morning to all that are awake…

  55. ritanita
    05/02/2013 at 8:27 am

    Good morning, peeps!

    I can’t believe I watched the whole thing! I noticed some of you are worried about the typo in the ME’s report. I doubt the jury will worry about it because the way it was written didn’t make sense. Kudos to the jury for highlighting it in their questions. Dr. Horn admitted he missed it, and let he/she who has not missed an error when proof-reading a document, please raise your hand.

    Assuming a 1st degree conviction, I’ve read elsewhere that people are worried about an overturn on appeal due to this error.

    Not to worry! I’ve read tons of appeals where such errors were used. Some were even larger errors. There is such a thing as “harmless error” in which, if the error would not have made a difference in the outcome of the trial, it is not considered.

    Considering the extreme violence involved in the slaughter of Travis Alexander, this typo or transcription error is smaller than the period at the end of this sentence.

    See you all for closing arguments today!

    • Lisa M
      05/02/2013 at 12:14 pm

      That’s good to know, thanks, Ritanita!

  56. 05/02/2013 at 9:07 am

    Morning all. Donchais….there are no warts on your recaps! They are perfect shiny gems as always. Thank you, Darlin’!

  57. 05/02/2013 at 9:08 am

    Syn, G’day Mate! I haven’t read the comments upstairs yet, but I’m dying to know what you think of Dr. Hayes, because I thought she was stellar.

  58. 05/02/2013 at 9:16 am

    Commerce1 :
    Doctor Horn is very authoritative and an excellent witness. He is also absolutely adorable. And I mean absolutely no disrespect by that. I have every respect for him. But DAMN he is cute!!!!!

    I agree! Totally yummy….and you could talk to him about anything, because he wouldn’t be squeamish!!!

  59. 05/02/2013 at 9:16 am

    My favorite part of yesterdays looooooooong day was seeing all the Alexander siblings & sitting with them Chris & Sky Hughes & Deanna Reeves!!!!! PRICELESS!!!! Maybe LaLa should have interviewed the Hughes & not ASSUME she could read the meaning between their words!

  60. TexiBelle
    05/02/2013 at 9:23 am

    Just now watching JW’s cross exam of the new prosecution doc. The way she is beating to death the administering of a 5-min reading test and not buying a new test right after it comes out is just pathetic and embarrassing. I can’t believe she didn’t go to that goldmine of copyright infringement.

  61. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 9:27 am

    Morning all ******waves*********** Anyone here 😯

    First of all thank you donchais for your coverage and the giggles this morning. I really should just go by what you write instead of driving myself crazy but we’re so close to the end I really need to see this through. If the Alexander family can sit through this then I can’t complain.

    It appears that I only missed 15 minutes last night but I just couldn’t keep the eyes open, until I shut everything down and then I was WIDE awake!!!! 😉

    So it’s closing arguments today or jury instructions or both?????

    • 05/02/2013 at 9:39 am

      Morning MMD!

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 9:44 am

        morning darlin’ 🙂

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 10:47 am

      G’mornin! So glad the testimony is over! I think the jury instructions will be done after closing arguments today. 1st Juan, then Perky, and Juan gets the last word tomorrow. (I think)

  62. 05/02/2013 at 9:59 am

    I guess everyone is still recovering from the marathon court session yesterday! It’s a ghost town around here!

  63. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/02/2013 at 10:01 am

    Hello room after an exhausting day! Just some thoughts from a book about psychopathic behavior which I thought pertinent after some of yesterday’s sandbox play:

    “Sometimes a creep is just a creep. However, only a psychopath is ever a psychopath”

    “..completely reliable is their negative and relentless predatory consciousness.”

    ” have found time and time again that most of the psychopaths i have encountered were the most ardent and smug defenders of science, even though these individuals had no real understanding of the scientific principle..”

    “Pseudo-intellectualism coupled with totalitarianism is not science; it is fascistic bullying and in the case of many of these ‘de-bunker’ bloggers who invoke science during their straw man tactics…”

    “…consider this radical atheism a secular religion which generally attracts the same fanatical and intolerant personality types…Psychopaths, for the most part, adore atheism and use it to exploit people as much as religious charatans so.”

    “…piggyback and leap-frog on the efforts and talents of others. They are the ultimate huiman parasite…”

    “..the predatory nature of the psycopath never changes…” (and, finally:)

    “:Sometimes, the only way to win is not to play.”

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/02/2013 at 10:18 am

      the above is also titled: “Homage to Syntara and other mental health professionals”

    • PK
      05/02/2013 at 10:26 am

      The author of your book apparently failed to tell the psychotic and criminally insane patients I observed and interviewed at the Utah State Hospital back in the mid 60’s how to conform their behavior and beliefs to his alleged findings. In fact, the psychiatrist I was working with at the time displayed more of the “symptoms” you referred to than any of the patients at the hospital. But that was way back when the accepted science was that all the patients needed was carefully planned behavior modification.

    • 05/02/2013 at 12:56 pm

      hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! Oh I love this!!! I was thinking along these lines yesterday as you probably guessed!!!

  64. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/02/2013 at 10:09 am

    My mind was crushed by the testimpony yesterday. I had no interest in even trying to follow the logic of the witnesses; I gave up caring about wobo’s diagnosis and was suffocating listening to that toupee-wearing gasbag distinguished professor at the university he founded. Imagine the two of them–LaToilette and him – at one of those “institute” conferences or at one of those “groups’ that people “have” to attend for some anger managment through the Government or courts. Or all those poor foreign students who do all the grunge work and pay enormous amounts of money for this guys “expertise.” Juanster helped me a couple of time…”when you regaled us” and “with all of your experience, I know its hard to put a number on it, but just a ballpark figure, how many autopsies have you performed?”.

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 10:18 am

      Morning darlin’ – can’t believe how long you stayed yesterday

      Anyway, I just lovvvvvvvvvvved the regaled comment as well as the ballpark amount of autopsies. JM is sooooooooooo good but he truly was fading at the end. I have never heard him talk that softly or slowly before. I hope that he got lots of rest and didn’t have to then go work on his closing arguments.

      it really is an endless job, once court ends for these guys. I caught a glimpse of his notes and there’s not much on each of the pages. He has incredible focus and the mind of a steel trap. It’s truly no wonder the def attorneys don’t like him – he makes them all look like amateurs!

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/02/2013 at 10:29 am

        The first 5.5 hours yesterday must have been brutal for Juan’s mind and composure. I was sitting, drinking, eating, moving about-even showering during the day – and I was exhausted. Don’t know HOW he managed it.

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 10:26 am

      The only other prosecutor who has impressed me as much was the David Walgren who prosecuted Conrad Murray. He had every single fact at his fingertips albeit Murray had lousy defense counsel. I remember reading somewhere that he was going to do something else in the DA’s office (a promotion) because both he and his wife worked there and it was hard with their kids. I remember thinking what a waste, because he is truly so good and the good ones need to be in the courtroom.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/02/2013 at 10:30 am

        also the DA Jackson is name I think, who prosecuted Spector, did a good job

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 10:31 am

        Damn, I just googled him to see exactly what he is doing and he is now a judge. Well, all I can say, is that he’ll be a good one and ya know he won’t put up with ANY crap!!!

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 10:32 am

        I didn’t watch the Spector trial. Can’t remember why.

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 10:54 am

      Morning Robert! I can’t believe your here after your “all nighter”! Bravo to your stamina!

  65. donchais
    05/02/2013 at 10:21 am

    Tracey A :

    Hey Donchais! Thanks so much for your recap!!! I’ve been gone for what feels like an eternity. Dealing with a major family crisis for the past few days. And I was so looking forward to hearing today’s testiphony but, alas, was kept away yet again. I heard about 5 mins of Dr. Jill Hayes on the stand before Juan said “The State rests”. I’m so tired at this point, I’m just diving in where ever I may land. Consider the next few cases of $2 Chuck on me. Thanks again for everything you do. Eeennaanndd…I’ve gotta try get up early to hear Juan’s closing when all I want to do is sleep for days. I guess the only benefit is that I didn’t have to experience my ears bleeding whenever Perky was up. TG for that! Cheers, GF! For all that you do… :) Nite all…see ya on the other side.

    First and foremost, take care of yourself…you are the priority!

  66. Carolyn
    05/02/2013 at 10:27 am

    Thank you so much for the summary. I can’t stand to listen to Wilmott. Tired or not, you did a good job.

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 10:50 am

      Donchais always does a good job and we’re the lucky ones to be on here with her 😀

  67. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/02/2013 at 10:29 am

    And good to have Tracey back!

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 10:49 am

      Yes Tracey – welcome back. You were missed!!! {{{{{{hugs}}}}}

  68. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 10:40 am

    This is a link to an article that discusses Sky Hughes email to Travis (includes email text). After reading it, I’m even more sympathetic to the Hughes…two more of JA’s victims. JA definitely “groomed” them with her manipulative behaviors and lies. I’m so glad that their relationship with Travis healed before he was murdered….http://www.azcentral.com/community/mesa/articles/20130430jodi-arias-trial-unreleased-e-mail-exchange-revealed.html?nclick_check=1

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 10:48 am

      Morning FOL – How’s Beautiful Boy/Mama’s Boy? Ya know he will never be Soldier Boy to me 🙂

      Anyway, that article popped up in an google alert this morning and as soon as I saw that Michael Kiefer had written it I stopped reading it. He is very pro defense and imo wouldn’t know objective reporting if he fell over it. I watched both the Hughes on Dr. Drew and they truly loved Travis and that’s all I need to know. As for JA, well I think we all have her number. 😉

      • Family of Law
        05/02/2013 at 11:06 am

        I had no idea about MK! I read it without knowing the bias, and what I took away from it was how awful I felt for the Hughes being sucked in by JA- and how glad I was that they figured her out. I saw both interviews on Dr. Drew too, and it was so evident how much they loved Travis (I was all goosebumps after the eavesdropping story! Jaysu, that was creepy!).
        “Soldier Boy” is just his formal name- none of us use it. I still call him “Sweet Boy” (but he is a Mamma’s boy!) He’s doing SO well! The weather here is finally warm, and he loves his time in the pasture! His weight gain is steady, but still has a ways to go…. His morning nose rubs are always sent from Canada!

      • NancyB
        05/02/2013 at 11:41 am

        Totally agree about MK

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/02/2013 at 10:49 am

      hello FOL! thanks for link.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/02/2013 at 10:56 am

        “Alexander invited Arias to come to his house days before he was to go on the trip with the other woman.”

        Though why this is printed as” truth: eludes me; should have said “according to wobo”….

      • Family of Law
        05/02/2013 at 11:15 am

        That should have been my clue… I did not know anything about the author- Yes, disclaimers should have been made! What I mainly took away from it, was that the Hughes were victims of JA’s cunning, strategic manipulations.

  69. octojess
    05/02/2013 at 10:42 am

    I’m sure this has been noticed; but, I just was listening at work to all of the interrogation videos (I’m sure my employees love it..), and in I think #5 after Det. Flores leaves the room; she says to herself “I still beat you…. brat”? This was prior to getting booked; and she was in there waiting. I couldn’t believe it; very chilling to me. If you haven’t heard it; check the youtube site; it is on the comments below where it actually is.

    Thank you for this site; I was going crazy yesterday waiting for your wondermous recap!

    • octojess
      05/02/2013 at 10:44 am

      Here is the link at 32:00 🙂

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/02/2013 at 11:03 am

      Thanks for link. Your hearing must be very good–this caused a lot of research and listening earlier-with many putting on headsets to hear it. And I think you are correct with the transcription. freaky and chilly at the sametime.

  70. Court fan
    05/02/2013 at 10:49 am

    Wilmutt is a death pentalty lawyer. Does anyone know how many cases she has defended and the results?

  71. MoVG
    05/02/2013 at 10:49 am

    So all the talk non stop about if the bullet was incapacitating, did we all forget that jodi’s defense is that the gun just went off? How do you get a bullet starting in the forehead area end up moving in a downward motion if the person shooting the gun isn’t standing over them prior to shooting them? This should be something the jury can use for sure to debunk the “gun just went off” defense. Right?

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 10:53 am

      I’d say so. JM will tie it all up in a nice bow for the Alexander family as well as the jury in his closing. Thankfully he will get the last word and not Gidget or Wurmi. 😉

      • MoVG
        05/02/2013 at 10:59 am

        I hope so MMD. I pray that Juan takes it home for the Alexander family and for us all.

    • 05/02/2013 at 12:00 pm

      Ya think?? Good point! Somehow the defense believes they are entitled to their own facts.

  72. Jay
    05/02/2013 at 10:52 am

    baily good @ #153 – Judge Stephens is a joke. I’m so sick of her leniency with the DT.

    Yes the judge has been a pain in the ass with all the sidebars and approaches, but she’s been evenhanded in her decisions on evidence she considered prejudicial. That included the long critical email from Sky Hughes (that’s Sky with no (e) for those of you who continue to misspell it). A portion of that rambling email was published today online at the Arizona Republic/ azcentral.com news site:


    If the judge had allowed the actual emails instead of only allowing LaViolette to indirectly refer to them during testimony it most likely would have established in some juror’s minds that Travis indeed mentally abused Arias. In one email Sky Hughes says in no uncertain terms that Arias “was being treated horribly, you weren’t beating her physically, but you were emotionally.” She also says “it would scare me to death if my little sister liked you, in fact I wouldn’t allow it.”

    Sky and her husband later came to the conclusion Arias had been manipulating them, and since then have repudiated those parts of the email exchanges critical of Travis and complimentary of Arias. But if Sky hadn’t exchanged those meddlesome emails with Travis in the first place, the battered woman defense probably wouldn’t have materialized. Without that scolding evidence I doubt the defense would have introduced battering, because there wouldn’t have been anything else to back it up but Arias’ claims..

    • Lisa M
      05/02/2013 at 11:58 am

      I agree with you Jay. I have been frustrated with the judge, myself, but it’s much easier to criticize than to do. She has been even-handed– the schedule has been a little bit bonkers, but her mild manner I think is a good thing, because she keeps herself out of the equation. Re: Sky Hughes, I will say in her and her husband’s defense, that, assuming Jodi is borderline personality disorder, or in any case, very manipulative, which we can probably all agree on, I believe her explanation that she and Chris were manipulated by Jodi. I had a friend, who is most likely borderline, who did the same to me. I fell hook line and sinker for her explanation of how badly her boyfriend was treating her, but later came to find out that the issue really was her. Because of her crying and distress, her complaints really did seem valid, until I got to know her much better. Unlike Chris and Sky, though, I never got personally involved. The most I did was give her bf a dirty look (which I now realize was unfair!) I’m sure it must really kill both Chris and Sky to have been manipulated by Jodi and then to have what they said used in court for her own benefit! It’s just a very unfortunate situation and I’m not surprised they have strong feelings about it.

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 12:49 pm

      Hi Jay: I felt the same way about the judge until yesterday. When she allowed Dr. Dolittle as sur-rebuttal on the topic of the ME I lost it. That should have come in during the DT’s case in chief. They were not able to find a qualified expert to get on the stand and say that the sentance in the MEs report that made no sense (and was unfortunatley shown MUCH later to be a type-o) supported their argument that TA was shot first and retained mobility. So instead they use a Psychologist at the very last hour to opine on a gun shot wound! Ridiculous. I feel the judge has so little confidence in herself and is so terrified of reversal that she lost control.

      • Lisa M
        05/02/2013 at 5:59 pm

        I agree, this case should have ended last Thursday. I don’t even know why this guy was allowed to testify about the bullet trajectory and the part of the brain that was affected. Is he a medical doctor? No. I don’t get it.

  73. PK
    05/02/2013 at 10:52 am

    Now that the “is it or isn’t it PTSD and or mental disorder and or domestic abuse” experts have cancelled each other out discussing what has never been supported by anything but the self-serving testimony of a very skilled liar, hopefully the facts supported by forensic evidence, documents and the countless exposed lies uttered by JA regarding her actions before, during and after she murdered Travis Alexander will finally take center stage in the closing arguments.

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 10:54 am

      Morning PK 🙂

  74. MoVG
    05/02/2013 at 11:02 am

    This was posted to twitter a while but thought it was so fitting for the days to come. I hope you all are able to view. JUSTICE FOR TRAVIS


    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 11:40 am

      Thank you so much for that picture. That is the entire case in a few word. Such a tragedy that he is gone and JA is still breathing!

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 11:40 am

      I forgot to add and that is why we are all here. Justice for Travis!

      • MoVG
        05/02/2013 at 3:07 pm

        I agree, MMD. Let’s all pray the Alexander family stays strong over these next few days.

  75. Nienna
    05/02/2013 at 11:07 am

    Morning all!

    MMD – When I got home last night in time for the afternoon session my darn computer wouldn’t let me on the WAT. So I had to watch the whole thing on HLN! Horrible, I know and I twitched the whole time! Anyhoo, I passed out around 1am and the trial was still going so I missed the ME & Dr. Hayes. Watching it on youtube this morning. And finally getting to what this has to do with you… I am noticing the replays and freezing on the feed now!!!! Must just tune it out when live 🙂

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 11:22 am

      Morning Nienna! WAT doesn’t work for me, so I watch it here (you have to sit through a 15 sec car ad). http://www.kpho.com/category/224303/cbs-5-local-live-streaming
      No one should have to endure HLN! “PAUSE”… “PLAY”… “You won’t miss a thing”! Ugh!

      • Nienna
        05/02/2013 at 11:23 am

        Thanks FOL!

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 11:36 am

        I just use WAT strictly because I find the guy who does the tweeting so hilarious!!! You really feel like you’re in the courtroom with him. Michael Keifer is one of the reporters that tweets from the backup feed I use but I totally ignore him although the other reporter does a good job.

      • Jill
        05/02/2013 at 11:48 am

        Hi, I have been using AZCENTRAL. Their live stream has been very reliable for me.

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 11:33 am

      Morning Nienna – you have my deepest condolences for having to watch HLN!!!!!! It just seemed like yesterday, maybe because so many people were watching that the freezing, replaying was so obvious. That’s why I always have another livestream going as backup but muted.

      Even though JM is my man, I must admit that the ME is really a cutie and an excellent witness 😀

      • Nienna
        05/02/2013 at 11:40 am


      • Janeto
        05/02/2013 at 11:43 am

        Hi MMD!!! Hugs n waves {{{ }}}I also have to admit…..The ME Rob Lowe junior, is a dreamboat!!!! Since JM is taken, I’ll stand in line for the ME 😀 Hi Syn! WElcome back, and Tracey and Anna!! Trace, I sure hope all turns out for the family issues…..miss u guys!!!!

  76. Janeto
    05/02/2013 at 11:40 am

    Goood Moooorning my fellow sandbox playmates!!!!!! donchais, thank you for the wonderful recap!! (as always, you r tooooo good!!) 😆 does anyone know, or did I miss it, which one goes first? Juanderful or Willnutwormi?????

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 11:43 am

      Pros then Defs. Then Judge can or not allow Pros to go again.

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 11:45 am

        If she doesn’t let the pros finish after Gidget, then she needs to be taken out to the woodshed or at least put in the naughty corner 😯

      • Nienna
        05/02/2013 at 11:45 am

        I’m sure she will!!

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 11:46 am

        With everything she has let the Def get away with, plus the hell she has put the jurors, the family and the general public through, she had better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😦

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 11:47 am

        Good, because I don’t think my computer could take another beating like it just did when I typed that last message 😆

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 11:43 am

      Morning Janet – {{{{{hugs}}}}}}}} darlin’. Our man Juanderful is first, then Gidget, the back to Juanderful 😀 Ain’t life grand 🙂

      • Janeto
        05/02/2013 at 11:45 am

        Oh!!!! truly??? Juanderfully delicious gets 2 shots????? Awesome!!! Aint missin it today!! (shakes my head) no, no…. 😆

  77. Janeto
    05/02/2013 at 11:46 am

    MMD :
    If she doesn’t let the pros finish after Gidget, then she needs to be taken out to the woodshed or at least put in the naughty corner

    I’ll gladly take that so called Judge out to the woodshed myself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so frustrated with the way she runs this court it’s giving me high blood pressure!!!!!!!

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 11:50 am

      Darlin’ my bloodpressure is up, my weight is up, my frustration is gone beyond it’s limits and I’m sure my neighbours are wondering about the crazy lady who lives in the house who is only seen in red plaid flannel and is yelling at nobody, cause she lives alone 😆

      • Jill
        05/02/2013 at 11:52 am

        U r too funny!

      • Janeto
        05/02/2013 at 11:53 am

        ROFLMAO!!!!!! MMD, you are one of a kind!!!!!!!!!! I know you will come up with a response to that one too!!! But I love you anyway!! tee hee!!!

      • Jill
        05/02/2013 at 11:54 am

        If the neighbors only knew..this is the sweetest lady who lives in the house who is only seen in her adorable red plaid flannel and is yelling for justice or travis for G-d to hear, cause she lives alone:)

      • Jill
        05/02/2013 at 11:57 am

        Sorry, I meant “justice for travis”

    • Janeto
      05/02/2013 at 11:50 am

      added to high blood pressure the fog, and mental instability, and absolute anger I’ve been experiencing since WOBO was on the stand….Thanks to SYN and others helping me to “edify” things in a more understanding way!! LOL!!!!

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 11:54 am

      OMG forgot about the fog (must have been the damn fog) and the mental instability. Geesh, we all really falling apart here. 😉 You’re right though, thank god for Syn.

  78. Nienna
    05/02/2013 at 11:48 am

    45 mins and counting!!! 🙂

    • Janeto
      05/02/2013 at 11:54 am

      Thanks Nienna!!! It’s been so long for me, I lost track of time!!! Whew! thanks to my sanbox buddies, I’ll never stray!!!

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 11:56 am

      So how late to ya think it will start????? Anybody???? The judge kept to a fairly strict (in her mind anyway) schedule yesterday. 😉

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 11:56 am

      NP! Let’s hope it gets started on time! Can’t wait for the verdict!!!!

  79. Jay
    05/02/2013 at 11:49 am

    Jury Instructions:
    This for a start:

    13-1105. First degree murder; classification

    A. A person commits first degree murder if:

    1. Intending or knowing that the person’s conduct will cause death, the person causes the death of another person, including an unborn child, with premeditation or, as a result of causing the death of another person with premeditation, causes the death of an unborn child.

    The reason Arais testified she ‘didn’t know the gun was loaded’ (obviously contrived by her defense team) was to be able to claim she didn’t knowingly intend her conduct would cause death.

    • Jay
      05/02/2013 at 11:59 am

      The didn’t know the gun was loaded defense first stipulated in 1949 by the legal team of Andrews, Andrews, and Andrews:

      (skip ad)

      • Jill
        05/02/2013 at 12:02 pm

        Ty, That was a nice video! Makes killing someone so “cute”.

  80. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 11:51 am

    I hope that Syn gets back soon so that she doesn’t miss too much!!! After getting this far, I’d hate not to watch it live!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/02/2013 at 11:57 am

      where is she?

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 12:01 pm

        dunno but don’t worry Robert – she won’t leave you hanging here all alone for long.

  81. Janeto
    05/02/2013 at 11:56 am

    Me too MMD! Syn honey, wake up!! We want you with us LIVE!!!! Not later!!! Well later too, as I zip my mouth!! 🙂

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 11:57 am

      I think she said upstairs that she had to go somewhere so I don’t think she’s sleeping.

  82. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 12:00 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    At courtroom. No one is let in yet. Its a zoo out here.

    I read somewhere earlier that they were starting a lottery for seats today so that people wouldn’t have to get there in the middle of the night. Not that many seats are available because of the family and media presence.

    • Janeto
      05/02/2013 at 12:01 pm

      Wow!! I would never get in….My luck with lotteries is a big fat NULL!!!!!!

    • Janeto
      05/02/2013 at 12:03 pm

      MMD, you don’t know HOW MANY times I wanted to phone you and talk directly to you!!! maybe somehow after this, I can’t get with you…….if that would be ok.with you that is

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 12:15 pm

        sounds like a plan to me Janet! 😀

  83. Janeto
    05/02/2013 at 12:00 pm

    I’m nowhere near fast enough to comment as live stream is going, but I’ll be reading all the wonderful Puns!!!! I’ll be smiling with you all! Gotta get my BIG glass of tea ready and situated to watch the most anticipated part of this trial! (besides the verdict of course) Can’t wait till Juanderfullydelicious puts it all together for us and the jury!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUSTICE FOR TRAVIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  84. 05/02/2013 at 12:02 pm

    Here we go peeps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 12:03 pm

      Morning darlin’ – off to get some food ********waves******

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 12:13 pm

      Hi Bubble! I’m READY!!!!

  85. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 12:02 pm

    Yep, have my live feed going. Need to feed the babies and get something to eat. I haven’t even rolled out of bed yet and it’s 1:02 PM!!!! 😉

  86. Lisa M
    05/02/2013 at 12:09 pm

    Kristy :
    It depends on how the jurors see the typo as well as his response to the error. I don’t remember her saying that he said there was a no dura matter during his discussions with the defense or on the stand. I think what she nailed him on was that he said his report was accurate.
    I think that is in reference to how shoddy Dr. Samuals was and trying to equate the ME to Dr. Samuals. I’m glad the jurors asked about it to get clarity. Hopefully I’m not seeing a glass half full.
    Of course, the jurors would have to say to themselves that all of the oddities of Jodi’s stories are true along with the brain not being impacted by the bullet wound. After all the stories on brain injury we’ve been hearing about due to the Iraq war, we haven’t heard about folks continuing on and functioning after getting head injuries.

    One thing I will say: I don’t think Dr. Horn could have handled it better. He didn’t argue with Wimot, he admitted his mistake. He kept his composure. She may have won a point, but he mitigated it with his attitude. I still think his opinion about how the bullet would have incapacitated Travis if he was shot first (which he most likely wasn’t) is correct, and hopefully the jury won’t make too much of his typo. I mean, you have to admit, what’s fair is fair. Juan made mincemeat out of Samuels, but unlike the defense expert witnesses, the state’s experts admit their mistakes and still appear professional.

  87. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 12:12 pm

    Chris Williams@chriswnews
    Per usual, TY @courtpio: Jury Instructions read prior to start of closing arguments #JodiArias. Closings scheduled today & tomorrow.

  88. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 12:14 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Juan is here with a black suit and light blue shirt. Striped tie. I see some salmon in the gallery. #JodiArias

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Travis’ family is seated. The big screen is being lowered. Live streaming will be on this page: http://wildabouttrial.com/videos/jodi-arias-live-stream.html … #JodiArias

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Media section is jam packed. My power strip is fully plugged up. #JodiArias

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    I am finally in the courtroom at #JodiArias trial. Should be a sweet day of closings. Judge is hearing other cases

  89. 05/02/2013 at 12:15 pm

    Anybody know of a link to streaming vid other than wild about?

  90. 05/02/2013 at 12:17 pm

    Hey all, I crashed out early last night. Did the judge give jury instructions?

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 12:19 pm

      today darlin’ 😦

  91. 05/02/2013 at 12:17 pm

    Thank you Donchais for your summary….great job keeping all of us in the know. Greetings from Massachusetts. I’m on pins and needles wanting this trial to be over and get Travis and his family peace and closure. Best to everyone….~~~~hugs and waves~~~~ md

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 12:20 pm

      Morning darlin’ 🙂

  92. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 12:18 pm

    OK have 3 livestreams going, dogs fed, have milk, diet pepsi 0, frozen mango pop, dried mango and crackers. Good to go! 🙂 One good thing about L.L. Bean, you can grow massively under their nighties and ya never have to go up a size!!!! 😉

    • Jill
      05/02/2013 at 12:21 pm

      Rofl at the image

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 12:22 pm

      MMD! That’s hysterical! I have my “user friendly” Patagonia fuzzy pants on, coffee, iPad, laptop and iPhone. Ready!

    • Wendy
      05/02/2013 at 12:43 pm


  93. Jay
    05/02/2013 at 12:21 pm

    Jury Instructions –
    Arizona 13-404. Justification; self-defense

    A. Except as provided in subsection B of this section, a person is justified in threatening or using physical force against another when and to the extent a reasonable person would believe that physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful physical force.

    B. The threat or use of physical force against another is not justified:

    1. In response to verbal provocation alone; or

    2. To resist an arrest that the person knows or should know is being made by a peace officer or by a person acting in a peace officer’s presence and at his direction, whether the arrest is lawful or unlawful, unless the physical force used by the peace officer exceeds that allowed by law; or

    3. If the person provoked the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful physical force, unless:

    (a) The person withdraws from the encounter or clearly communicates to the other his intent to do so reasonably believing he cannot safely withdraw from the encounter; and

    (b) The other nevertheless continues or attempts to use unlawful physical force against the person.

  94. Jane
    05/02/2013 at 12:21 pm

    Question: is the claim of PTSD before the murder our after she saw what she did? Donchais is so spot on with this trial, I smh when I see the straw grasping of defense.

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 12:24 pm

      She had to claim that much later, after the ninja story didn’t fly so that it would explain the fog since she was gonna claim self defense. Basically.

  95. 05/02/2013 at 12:21 pm

    phew.. made it back… not started yet huh?

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 12:22 pm

      Oh goody you’re back! I just said that I hoped you made it back in a hurry!!!! Robert was missing you 😀

      • 05/02/2013 at 12:24 pm

        hahaha I had to go do some stuff and wait for it… work!!! I was sooo sweating it.. cos I didn’t know who is up first and I was thinking.. oh nooo hope it’s not Juan baby!!!

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 12:23 pm

      Morning Syn!!! I’m SO glad you made it in time!

      • 05/02/2013 at 12:26 pm

        hey FOL!! yea me too… esp since I now see Juan is up first..

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/02/2013 at 12:30 pm

      (left a homage to you up top)

      • 05/02/2013 at 12:38 pm

        oh best I go see.. just jumping in the shower.. brb

  96. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 12:21 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Wild forgot it was Thirsday. Third person speak starts now. #JodiArias

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Our site is overloaded with traffic so be patient, keep trying to reload the page if you aren’t able to get in on first try

  97. Nienna
    05/02/2013 at 12:22 pm

    Family of Law :Morning Nienna! WAT doesn’t work for me, so I watch it here (you have to sit through a 15 sec car ad). http://www.kpho.com/category/224303/cbs-5-local-live-streamingNo one should have to endure HLN! “PAUSE”… “PLAY”… “You won’t miss a thing”! Ugh!

    Here you go Bubble…

  98. 05/02/2013 at 12:23 pm

    by the way hurro roomies 😛 ***waves***

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/02/2013 at 12:24 pm

      hurro!!! welcome and ready?

    • 05/02/2013 at 12:25 pm

      Yaaayyyy! Hey Syn!

    • 05/02/2013 at 12:28 pm

      gots ta go make my refreshment.. when is it due to start?? stupid question I guess…

      • Family of Law
        05/02/2013 at 12:34 pm

        I have a BIG bowl of popcorn (it’s 11:30am)! But I needed “busy food”, to spare my hair and nails abuse!

      • 05/02/2013 at 12:38 pm

        oooohhh popcorn.. nice work!! I’ll be into that! 😀

  99. 05/02/2013 at 12:24 pm

    The defandant stands before you accused of bitchcraft. I was trying to think of a woman I hated more than Jodi Arias…Couldn’t do it.

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 12:26 pm

      Neither can I. Even Casey Anthony doesn’t make me feel the way JA does. Maybe it;s because she kept her mouth shut.

      • kristin
        05/02/2013 at 6:36 pm

        I think we all hated Casey as much but time has taken the edge off our sharp hatred lol! BTW I keep expecting to see Juan get hit by a pair of your panties in court lol!

  100. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 12:25 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Donavan just showed up in a sweet salmon top. #JodiArias

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    #JodiArias is here in a light blue top and black slacks. She went back to chambers.

  101. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 12:28 pm

    MoVG posted this upstairs. I think we should all look at this before we start! Please.


    • Jill
      05/02/2013 at 12:30 pm

      Good idea. Ty

    • 05/02/2013 at 12:31 pm

      Powerful and to the point!

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 12:32 pm


  102. 05/02/2013 at 12:28 pm

    Quick question….can lawyers object during closing arguments? I missed the opening, and I can’t remember from previous trials I’ve watched if I’ve ever seen this. Thx.

  103. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 12:28 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Beth Karas has on an all Salmon dress. Looking stunning as usual. ❤ Beth

    • janeto
      05/02/2013 at 12:32 pm

      C’mon already!! Get going judge!!!!!!

  104. 05/02/2013 at 12:29 pm

    Where I live, Tennessee, it seems like I’m the only one that even knows about this trial. I’d say she was the most hated woman in America, but I can’t really say people outside Arizona are paying attention. Maybe except for us.

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 12:33 pm

      that’s funny because I read somewhere, sorry can’t link, just useless info, that the world was watching but not that many people in AZ so who knows????????????? I don’t know anyone else watching it but we have our own cannibal killer to worry about,

    • truejustice
      05/02/2013 at 12:37 pm

      Yesterday on the news they interviewed some woman that flew in from Michigan (I think that is where) just to attend the trial. They have several other people on the news who have attended from out of state.. so you not alone.

      It would be interesting to know the stats.

      • Midnight Rider
        05/02/2013 at 2:31 pm

        Hey guys, There are quite a few people watching in Michigan… I myself have been watching since day3 of WOBO’s “testaphony”. I even got my husband interested, and he’s always checking with me how many of duhfence’s “experts” that Juanderful ripped apart each day! God Bless and Keep the Alexander Family. and may His JUSTICE PREVAIL!!! Go get ’em, Juan! And thank you ALL so much for everything you’ve contributed and ESPECIALLY to Donchais for your tireless work! YOU ARE AMAZING!!!

      • Gracerv7
        05/02/2013 at 5:48 pm

        I’m from Michigan but living in NY now for work. I know a few people following but mostly I don’t know many people following. Also she not making headlines on trash mags like CA was.

    • Wendy
      05/02/2013 at 12:46 pm

      Hey bubble. I’m in kentucky we have quite a few followers here. Not as obsessed as me. 😛

  105. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 12:34 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Counsel is still in chambers. There is a nice little buzz here this morning. Very exciting

  106. 05/02/2013 at 12:34 pm

    HLN just played a short montage of Jodi’s arrogant demeaner toward The Prosecutor…”That’s a compound question…” etc etc. I don’t usually go about my day imagining ways to torture someone. But seeing her snotty attitude I just said aloud, to noone, god I’d like to run over her head…

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 12:36 pm


    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 12:36 pm

      and we heard your bubble!!! spooky isn’t it!!!!!!!!! 👿

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 12:37 pm

      Bubble are you gonna watch it on HLN today????????

      • 05/02/2013 at 12:42 pm

        MMD, I have the HLN on, Wild about wouldn’t work, but I have computer set to azcentral, so I’ll be watching it streaming with all you wonderful people.

  107. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 12:35 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    We should be treated to juror instructions before Juan starts his closing arguments. Counsel is still in chambers

    Any of our legal experts know how long they will be????????????

    • 05/02/2013 at 1:14 pm

      As long as the judge makes them.

  108. 05/02/2013 at 12:35 pm

    12:35 and no start. Shocking. NOT!!!!

    • janeto
      05/02/2013 at 12:37 pm

      👿 right!!!!!!

  109. 05/02/2013 at 12:36 pm

    I was happy with Dr Hayes.. she got out my two biggest beefs with Dr Toupe…

    (1) the invalid tests cos demarte stressed they were based on (a) the ninjas and (b) the lying…

    (2) she stressed you can’t diagnose someone based on test results alone..

    so I was happy!!

    Damn about Dr Horn’s report typo – man I bet he is kicking himself over that one.. obviously a paragraph that’s in the pro forma that wasn’t changed or something. I like him.. but he shoulda checked that cos it’s so pertinent.. I reckon he went back to check any original notes he has ASAP.

    Oh FYI…… took me ages to find a decent boob tube version of yesterdays stuff anyone trying to source it… . make sure you get tawnidilly’s parts 1-4. For some reason the 1-7 parts by croakerqueen are soo jumpy and repeat too, they are really really hard to follow.. I recommend avoiding those.

    • janeto
      05/02/2013 at 12:40 pm

      C Syn! I told u long ago how I knew how important to us u were! See how everyone missed u? 🙂

    • truejustice
      05/02/2013 at 12:43 pm

      Re: Horn. I know – didn’t like that one either. Also didn’t like that wilnot got him to say that 100% of people would have lost consciousness when gref previously said he evaluated 2 people with gsw to right frontal and did not loose consciousness. Although Horn did say in the same circumstances or something similar. Just hope jury caught it – cause wilnot brushed off his comment.

      • Jill
        05/02/2013 at 12:47 pm

        I know.that worried me a little too

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 12:47 pm

      Go waaaaay upstairs and read what Crystal and NancyB said about Dr. Rob Lowe Horn’s typo- it made me feel much better.
      I knew you would like Dr. Hayes cleaning up those 2 MAJOR points.

  110. Moon
    05/02/2013 at 12:37 pm

    Good Morning ev1!!

    Justice for Travis

    • 05/02/2013 at 12:39 pm

      Morning Moon….and ditto!!

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 12:40 pm

      Morning Moon ***waves*****

  111. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 12:39 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Jane Velez Mitchel is here with a dark salmon top on. Wild hears Jenkasaurus is also rocking the salmon today

  112. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 12:40 pm

    If the judge allows the jury to be given the manslaughter options- Perky’s closing arguments will be tailored to focus on the “why”, it will be excruciating for all to listen to.

    • janeto
      05/02/2013 at 12:43 pm

      Right! Not looking forward to the DT

  113. Allison
    05/02/2013 at 12:40 pm

    Please let us know when it begins. Sometimes my computer doesn’t begin and I have to re-fresh.

    • janeto
      05/02/2013 at 12:41 pm

      Me too! 😦

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 12:45 pm

        okie dokie

  114. 05/02/2013 at 12:42 pm

    Oh by the way… I was talking about Jodi to one of my colleagues and we decided that if ever there is a case study for BPD+P she’s it… so that’s our diagnosis of her now and we are going to work on it. 😀

    • truejustice
      05/02/2013 at 12:44 pm

      Love that you contribute just in depth knowledge here . Thanks!

    • janeto
      05/02/2013 at 12:44 pm

      Excellent!!!! There u go!!

  115. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 12:43 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Jenkasaurus isn’t here yet and you all have informed Wild that she is in green. But green also can have some salmon in it.

    It truly doesn’t take much to amuse me these days 😆 I guess it must be the horror of this trial.

  116. 05/02/2013 at 12:45 pm

    Jodi in the courtroom

  117. 05/02/2013 at 12:46 pm

    @MMD I’m on azcentral streaming

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 12:47 pm

      good cause I really didn’t want to have to give you condolences. 🙂

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 12:48 pm

      that’s my 1st backup that I have going

  118. truejustice
    05/02/2013 at 12:46 pm

    windy in phoenix today… hope stream will be smooth today

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 12:48 pm

      so do I. How hot is it?

      • truejustice
        05/02/2013 at 12:54 pm

        Only 95 today 🙂

  119. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 12:46 pm

    Chris Williams@chriswnews
    Fun convo awaiting #JodiArias, Pros Martinez bro says: from Victorville, CA, TA friend: Palmdale, CA. I bragged: from California City, CA

    So JM has his brother there. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    • Allison
      05/02/2013 at 12:55 pm


  120. Jay
    05/02/2013 at 12:47 pm

    Estimated time for Judge Instructions:
    Hours… it’s why juries so often come to wrong conclusions — too long, complicated, abstruse mind-boggling instructions;
    This, for example, were the Casey Anthony Jury Instructions:


  121. Wendy
    05/02/2013 at 12:48 pm

    Hi everyone!! On my iPhone today but no laptop so I will have to check in with ya later. Go Juan!!!!

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 12:50 pm

      How’s your mum darlin’?

      • Wendy
        05/02/2013 at 12:58 pm

        Doing good. She will get to go home in a couple of days.

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 1:07 pm

        wonderful news Wendy 😀

    • 05/02/2013 at 1:05 pm

      oh excellent news Wendy 😀

  122. Nienna
    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 12:49 pm

      Awe, I love that picture too. Let’s get Justice for Travis and his family!!!!

    • janeto
      05/02/2013 at 12:59 pm

      THANK YOU NIENNA! Of course, I had to comment!! 🙂

  123. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 12:51 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    The beautiful AZ state seal is still up until trial begins. Enjoy the image of the “waiting man” and weird little dog. #JodiArias

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Wild feels like he is at graduation. Wild will have to say good bye to all his media friends and WAT followers at trial

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 12:53 pm

      Nienna thinks HWild is silly!

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 12:56 pm

        that’s why he makes me giggle cause everything else is so serious in court.

      • janeto
        05/02/2013 at 1:02 pm

        Wild is hilarious!! I love his style!

  124. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 12:51 pm

    JA is in the courtroom- any minute now…

  125. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 12:53 pm

    Chris Stark ‏@stark3923 5m
    willmott open was all about SELF DEF HAD TO KILL now i bet we’ll hear more about heat of passion nothing explained Decapitation n 29 stabs

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 12:54 pm

      Exactly. Hope the jury dismisses all her bs!

  126. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 12:55 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Prosecution just came out of chambers. Still haven’t had a chance to see Nurmi or Willmott yet it’s been so hectic

  127. Moon
    05/02/2013 at 12:56 pm

    poor jurors! told to be there at 9:15 after the late night, and now 45 min later…. still waiting… i wonder how all the delays, etc effect them?

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 12:57 pm

      I’d give her the DP just for time wasted.

      • janeto
        05/02/2013 at 1:03 pm

        Lol! We r so bad MMD. 🙂

  128. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 12:57 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Nurmi just came in with a wrinkled light tan suit and blue shirt, blue tie combo. #JodiArias

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Wild loves that most of his followers have a great sense of humor. Wild isn’t sure why people that don’t like his style still follow him.

  129. JesusFreak
    05/02/2013 at 12:58 pm

    Jodi stabs Travis in the chest. She then begins to yell, “Oh, Travis, please forgive me, I am so sorry, please forgive me. I’ll call 911.” Being the trusting soul he is, he goes to the sink to spit blood and shewitch starts the back stabbing. IMHO

  130. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 12:59 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Mike B is here with his ravaging bright purple/salmon shirt. He is ready!

    I wonder how many of those he has as he seems to wear that colour a lot, kinda like Vinnie Politan and his pink???

  131. 05/02/2013 at 12:59 pm

    Ya know what the Veterans Administration considers my biggest disability? P T S D. And no matter hard hard I might try to unremember things, there is no fog. There is no memory loss. And I agree with the vet that drove 800 miles to be a spectator, it is an absolute, and unforgivable, insult to those of all stripes that suffer with PTSD. Not to mention battered women. The woman and her defense team are reprehensible. She mudered him in life, and tried to kill him again in death.

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 1:02 pm

      Exactly. As many of us have suffered from DV here, that’s why we’re all so damn angry, especially at ALV as well as JA!!! 👿

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 1:03 pm

      Plus bubble – I bet you would give anything if you could just forget!!!!!

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 1:09 pm

      Bubble, you just said SO much! I’d like to personally thank you for your service, I have the deepest respect for our men and women in the military. You are a hero to me.

    • stephanie
      05/02/2013 at 4:02 pm

      Not be a creeper or anything but you did say to look at a pic and yes I did and you had one of you in your military uniform and you said you are in Tennessee. I was in Ft. Campbell in the
      2-17th cav. I worked on helicopters. Are you stationed anywhere near there?

  132. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 1:00 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    I still think Nurmi will bust out the Scarface ensemble for his closing tomorrow

    Damn – sounds like Wurmi is doing the closing 😦 (that could take us through the weekend)

  133. 05/02/2013 at 1:02 pm

    I saw a clip… ” 41 seconds to convict Jodi Arias” .. she’s on the stand.. Nurmi asks her ” Did you kill Travis Alexander?” … she replies “yes” Juan is edited in “Judge I think it’s time” Jodi is ushered to that door, she goes out with the bailiff to her cell.

    Now THAT is how this should have gone.. would have saved a whole heap ‘o’ $$$$$$

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 1:04 pm

      That would have been an awesome way to go! Plus I’d be standing on the other side of the door with a big, dull needle!!!

    • janeto
      05/02/2013 at 1:05 pm


  134. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 1:05 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Willmott is here in what looks like a hwhite suit but she is sitting down with #JodiArias and I can’t see it fully.

    OK looks like we’re just waiting for the judge and jury but of course, we’ll have to start with a sidebar 😦

  135. 05/02/2013 at 1:06 pm

    Here we go!!!!!!

  136. truejustice
    05/02/2013 at 1:06 pm

    CBS5AX : elizabetherwin I’d imagine it’s going to be a very difficult day for Alexander’s family. #JodiArias

    I can’t imagine the slew of emotions and sheer exhaustion they must be feeling. My heart aches for them.

  137. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 1:06 pm

    OK Janet – here we go!!!

    • janeto
      05/02/2013 at 1:08 pm

      i still got the seal! WTF??

  138. 05/02/2013 at 1:06 pm

    judge is here!!! is go time… umm maybe!! 😛

  139. truejustice
    05/02/2013 at 1:08 pm

    CBS5az: reporterjmiguel Spectators still not allowed in. Waiting on that. Jury and judge. #Arias #JodiaArias

    Dear lord .. what now ?? Judge says coordination difficulties today .

  140. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 1:09 pm

    OK Allison and Janet – once they figure out about the spectators we should roll. Jury is in.

    • Allison
      05/02/2013 at 1:10 pm


    • janeto
      05/02/2013 at 1:11 pm


  141. 05/02/2013 at 1:09 pm

    Morning all, woke up just in time. Judge looks peeved already

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 1:11 pm

      Hi Essem! So glad you made it!

    • 05/02/2013 at 1:12 pm

      hey girl!!!! ***waves***

  142. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 1:09 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Valerie knocked on the door to the room where #JodiArias is. Spectators are being let in now. Jodi is still in the room.

  143. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 1:10 pm

    Ack! Is that Donno man’s mom sitting with “IT”?

  144. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 1:10 pm

    They’ve got gramma there again today!

  145. dpforjodi
    05/02/2013 at 1:10 pm

    Dunnoman looks like she got her ugly sleep last night, and is that her little comquat Ann beside her?

  146. Schaeffer
    05/02/2013 at 1:11 pm

    Who did grandmna wave and smile to?

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 1:13 pm

      Looked a bit like Jodi …. maybe a relative?

  147. 05/02/2013 at 1:11 pm

    Donovan looks like Jabba the Hut, like, really. No shit

    • janeto
      05/02/2013 at 1:13 pm


  148. 05/02/2013 at 1:12 pm

    Oh…she’s going to draw on her copy of instructions!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 05/02/2013 at 1:14 pm

      LOLOL yeah all the jurors on there.. so she has their pics to give to donovan if she is found guilty

  149. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 1:12 pm

    I wanna see JM’s brother, since he’s only shown me photos 🙂

  150. brightgirl58
    05/02/2013 at 1:14 pm

    Who is the lady in the white jacket sitting in front of JA’s mom/aunt?

  151. Schaeffer
    05/02/2013 at 1:14 pm

    The Judge chooses right this minute to go faster than she has at any point in the trial? Is she going to speed talk through the instructions? Is this normal? Is reading them — at least this part — normal? Will she slow down explaining the various charges?

  152. HJ Madison
    05/02/2013 at 1:14 pm

    I think she looks like she fained illness this morning ….

  153. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 1:14 pm

    That’s a nice closeup of JM – my new screensaver 😀

    • janeto
      05/02/2013 at 1:16 pm

      Good one!!!

    • brightgirl58
      05/02/2013 at 1:24 pm

      Does he have a twin brother?

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 3:46 pm

        nope and I don’t share 😉

  154. 05/02/2013 at 1:15 pm

    ok heard enough.. I find her guilty as sin! DP.. done

  155. Moon
    05/02/2013 at 1:15 pm

    how can that be even said…”you are to assume the defendant is innocent” after she ADMITTED TO MURDER that’s just pure bs

  156. 05/02/2013 at 1:16 pm

    no doubt in my mind.. so as per her instruction.. I’m cooked.. stick a fork in me and show me the bottles!

  157. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/02/2013 at 1:17 pm

    panning the crowd, i see Donoman with a donowoman

    • 05/02/2013 at 1:18 pm

      oh please I hope that doesn’t mean what I think it does.. cos I don’t want to think about that if it is!!!

    • 05/02/2013 at 1:24 pm


  158. 05/02/2013 at 1:18 pm

    Geez judge…..you get a frog in your throat at the most important part!!!! Where they can’t disregard everything she said if they believe she lied!!!!!!!!!!!!

  159. HJ Madison
    05/02/2013 at 1:18 pm

    Why is she going SO FAST!???? Crazy!

  160. brightgirl58
    05/02/2013 at 1:19 pm

    It’s making me sick that a gathering of this magnitude for the Alexanders should be a happy gathering like Travis’ wedding, not a MURDER trial. He will never experience the joy of a wedding, the ecstasy of a his child being born, raising him/her, doing homework with his child, experiencing the first tooth, graduations/proms, walking down the aisle, retirement. Why? Because that shell of a human sitting in baby blue took it all away from such a lovely, vivacious, life-loving young man. God be with his family today.

  161. 05/02/2013 at 1:19 pm

    Jeez, the bailiff is there, finally

  162. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 1:20 pm

    I notice that the bailiff is sticking closing to JA today!

  163. Moon
    05/02/2013 at 1:20 pm

    feed on azcentral jumping again today….

  164. HJ Madison
    05/02/2013 at 1:21 pm

    JA’s face twitched at “premeditation” ….

  165. 05/02/2013 at 1:23 pm

    Wait for it………

  166. truejustice
    05/02/2013 at 1:24 pm

    darn they got their stupid heat of passion 😦

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 1:25 pm

      Of course!

  167. 05/02/2013 at 1:24 pm

    Crap……manslaughter!!!!!!!!!!!!! F**K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  168. 05/02/2013 at 1:25 pm

    I think lala deserves NO consideration
    I think Dodgy deserves NO consideration
    I think Dr Toupe deserves 2% of my consideration…

    .. that’s done

    Now the ME.. very credible but think he should have checked his report on those important factors and should have seen that error … but I still give his trajectory credence.. so shot was not first could not have been

    DeMarte showed PTSD was a crock of shite so that backs up no consideration of dodgy and lala’s horseshite

    JOdi shows no remorse at all in fact she spars with the prosecutor about when she slashed Travis’ neck.. an aggregious offense against humanity not just Travis.

    She planned it.. the gas cans prove it,,, the fact she lied about having the 3rd gas can, her dying hair colout and I find no reasonable doubt that was to conceal her identity.

    She deleted photos and tried to destroy the camera and the cards in the washing machine to cover her crime.

    Se then systematically set about lying and lying for years until finally the I wasn’t there defense and ninja stories became even for her too ridiculous to hang on to.

    Her display on 48 hours documentary is enough to show she lies freely and easily and displays no remorse or guilt.

    I must find her guilty of first degree murder and DP because in my mind there is no reasonable doubt about any of the the above.

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 1:27 pm

      YES! YES! YES! Quick, send that to the jury!!!! (Telepathically)

  169. 05/02/2013 at 1:25 pm

    No glasses required?

    • brightgirl58
      05/02/2013 at 1:28 pm

      She’s done with that part of her act.

  170. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 1:25 pm

    Damn it!!!! Manslaughter motion got in!!!!

  171. 05/02/2013 at 1:25 pm

    F**K! F**K! F**K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  172. 05/02/2013 at 1:26 pm

    A reasonable person, hyeah

  173. HJ Madison
    05/02/2013 at 1:26 pm

    Ooo felony murde ….. this is going to be interesting …. she was not an invited guest….

  174. Allison
    05/02/2013 at 1:26 pm

    UGH – skipping – can’t follow

  175. 05/02/2013 at 1:27 pm

    For all those still “worried” about Dr Horn’s typo. I’m explaining this again cuz I know not everyone has time to go upstairs and read older comments. Please understand what a huge blow to the Defense it was to have that typo corrected. The Defense caught that typo long ago. They were being sneaky. How many times did Geffner say he “assumed the ME report was correct.” How gracious of him. Then, when Wilma was questioning Horn, she went thru the charade of making him attest to his report and its accuracy, etc. The fact that the juror caught that typo completely negated Geffner’s testimony related to the gunshot wound. It was predicated on the dura matter being in tact. If the dura matter is not in tact…incapacitation occurs. Had that juror not caught the typo, the defense would have been able to use this info in closing. Now they can’t. It was a big blow to Jodi to have the record corrected!

    • 05/02/2013 at 1:31 pm

      CH….if I was near you right now….I would be kissing and hugging you….hard!!!

    • 05/02/2013 at 1:32 pm

      Okay….just reread my comment….sounds quite creepy! I just meant….thank you for explaining that…i’m very grateful!!

    • 05/02/2013 at 1:34 pm

      Hear hear and it is good to know that juror is smart enough to know the dura had to have been penetrated by the bullet.

    • Allison
      05/02/2013 at 1:34 pm

      I like your explanation. I was wondering why Juan didn’t correct this – it almost didn’t get correct because the jury question was at the very last minute.

  176. Schaeffer
    05/02/2013 at 1:27 pm

    I see she isn’t even bothering to keep up the pretense of wearing glasses.

  177. 05/02/2013 at 1:29 pm

    Don’t worry ya’ll. Obi Juan’s got this

  178. Schaeffer
    05/02/2013 at 1:29 pm

    Has the WOBO seen these instructions prior to today? If yes, in whole or in part? If she HAS seen them, you can bet she has them memorized. She’ll correct the Judge if she makes a mistake.

  179. 05/02/2013 at 1:29 pm

    Even when she’s paying attention she is creepy! I can’t decide which is worse….when she dissociates or this quiet, steady concentration! She scares me!

  180. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 1:30 pm

    Yes! Self defense is ONLY ALLLOWED to go to the point of stopping the threat! It does NOT justify 29 stab wounds, slashed throat or shot in the head!!!

    • 05/02/2013 at 1:37 pm

      Yep, she’s gone! Overkill no question.

  181. 05/02/2013 at 1:32 pm

    Whoopsie! LOL, according to those self defense instructions, Arias is toast even before closing arguments.

  182. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 1:32 pm

    Damn, everyone on the street must have gotten together while I was watching this trial and decided to have their lawns rolled. Really noisy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😦

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 1:34 pm

      Rolled? What is that? Maybe save that for later. Hello, BTW

  183. Nienna
    05/02/2013 at 1:33 pm

    MMD :I wanna see JM’s brother, since he’s only shown me photos

    If he looks like him and unmarried… Then the two of you and you know who you are, won’t have to fight about it anymore!

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 3:51 pm

      We aren’t fighting cause I already have him 😆

  184. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 1:34 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Wow, this is a record. Nurmi has been sitting in a dereclinated position for this entire time. Wild is proud of him

  185. 05/02/2013 at 1:34 pm

    I would have thought that she might look a litte interested in the jurors instructions!

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 1:36 pm

      Planning craft project to entertain during JM’s close.

    • 05/02/2013 at 1:37 pm

      that’s her jenius, thoughtful look. She can’t pull it off.. so she’s back to doodles

  186. 05/02/2013 at 1:34 pm

    @Schaeffer, yeah, no glasses, what’s up with that?

  187. JesusFreak
    05/02/2013 at 1:36 pm

    I don’t use glasses to read. I am near-sighted. She must be too. She needs glasses to see far.
    If the jury needs to be told what a firearm is, they should not be on the jury.

    • Schaeffer
      05/02/2013 at 1:45 pm

      The point we are making is she has used the glasses as a prop, as part of her “nerd” defense throughout the trial. She uses them inconsistently — sometimes she “pretends” needs them to read, but other times she doesn’t — she peeks over them, under them, through them, raises them up, holds them away from her face . . .The glasses are as FAKE as her tears. One day, she even wore JW’s glasses because she forgot hers but she wanted to keep up the pretense. I’ve worn glasses since I was 4, and trust me, I have never ONCE been able to switch glasses with someone! (And no, she is not wearing readers.)

  188. truejustice
    05/02/2013 at 1:36 pm

    got distracted .. what is the sex dictionary regarding ?

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 1:37 pm

      I don’t know?????

      • 05/02/2013 at 1:38 pm

        probably the sexual ‘abuse’

  189. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/02/2013 at 1:37 pm

    lot of anal and penis and vulva and masturbation in the instructions. Probably Nurmi’s conribution.

    • MoVG
      05/02/2013 at 3:18 pm

      Good one R in R!!

  190. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 1:38 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Wild spoke to soon, Nurmi is back to reclination mode. Judge is still reading the jury rules.

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    #JodiArias is seen yawning. At least she is not crafting though right?

  191. 05/02/2013 at 1:38 pm

    GO JUAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  192. 05/02/2013 at 1:38 pm

    Juan’s coming up in seconds. For some reason HLN is ahead today

  193. 05/02/2013 at 1:39 pm

    she ain’t no woman!!!!!

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 1:40 pm

      You got that right!

    • 05/02/2013 at 1:41 pm

      Ha! I swear I love this persona of yours the best. Polite and professional all morning….then ‘eff that ho’ by afternoon! Love it!

  194. brightgirl58
    05/02/2013 at 1:39 pm

    Can defense object to any part of Juan’s closing?

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 1:40 pm

      Yes … but not likely … it is argument, not testimony

  195. HJ Madison
    05/02/2013 at 1:39 pm

    Wilnot’s turn at Hangman!

  196. 05/02/2013 at 1:39 pm

    Jen rolling her eyes and shaking head. Hey hon, it’s all true WAKE UP!

    • 05/02/2013 at 1:47 pm

      yeah does she not know this??? ok rhetorical i’m seeing the BFF stuff

  197. 05/02/2013 at 1:40 pm

    yes.. the light of truth makes her cringe it’s her kryptonite!!!!

  198. brightgirl58
    05/02/2013 at 1:40 pm

    I am sooooo amazed – no notes at hand. He is a master.

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 1:41 pm


  199. 05/02/2013 at 1:41 pm

    yayayayayayayya see above… juries read and learn!!

  200. truejustice
    05/02/2013 at 1:42 pm

    cbs2az :
    elizabetherwin Bailiff handing out boxes of tissue to both sides families.

  201. Allison
    05/02/2013 at 1:43 pm

    UGH where can I watch it besides azcentral ??????????????

  202. 05/02/2013 at 1:45 pm

    die biatch… you doppelgänger….. I see your trident under that desk!! can’t fool me with that lizard tongue… forked tongue…. I see it!

  203. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 1:46 pm

    OOHHHHHHH he’s goooooooooooooodddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 1:48 pm

      Yeah, but you already knew that 🙂

  204. 05/02/2013 at 1:47 pm

    Oops I forgot to put my fake glasses on, ah that’s better they will make me look more innocent.

  205. Kristy
    05/02/2013 at 1:47 pm

    Go Juan, you’re the man. Get her!

  206. 05/02/2013 at 1:47 pm

    yayayaya see my arias business plan.. lucky I showed ya juan!!

  207. 05/02/2013 at 1:47 pm

    Watch ya back, Juan! There’s daggers being shot into it!

  208. truejustice
    05/02/2013 at 1:48 pm

    did he just say .. so she can breed ? LOL LOL

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 1:49 pm

      YES! rofl

  209. MMD
  210. Schaeffer
    05/02/2013 at 1:48 pm

    FYI — if anyone is having trouble with a video feed, HLN is airing the proceedings without commercials (so far)

  211. HJ Madison
    05/02/2013 at 1:49 pm

    What the hell are the BFF’s doing?

  212. 05/02/2013 at 1:49 pm

    no seeing much but gaping mouths on the arias side of the gallery now!

  213. brightgirl58
    05/02/2013 at 1:49 pm

    passing notes again. making me sick. LISTEN!

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 1:50 pm

      They are just RUDE

  214. 05/02/2013 at 1:50 pm

    my feed just repeated I think cos Juan made no sense there for a bit

    • SCK
      05/02/2013 at 2:06 pm

      The feed on WPTV isn’t jumping around like WildaboutTrial.

      • 05/02/2013 at 2:11 pm

        im on crimeandtrials feed… not WAT its ok most of the time but sometimes I think rut roh gonna lose it!

  215. brightgirl58
    05/02/2013 at 1:50 pm

    what “someone” calls the honeymoon portion – LA LA la la la la la

  216. 05/02/2013 at 1:51 pm

    willmot doing some major.. oh don’t worry JOdes….. he’s just being a big meanie… I’ll fix it for ya soon.

  217. 05/02/2013 at 1:51 pm

    My boy is on Fuego!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  218. Schaeffer
    05/02/2013 at 1:51 pm

    When referring to the WOBO, Juan can barely use the word “woman” without choking on his disdain and hatred! It is GREAT!!!

    • 05/02/2013 at 1:54 pm

      Yeah, right! Makes it sound like a dirty word in her case!!!

  219. 05/02/2013 at 1:53 pm

    poor jodes…. ironically willmot is under exactly this spell Juan is talking about and she seems totally obliviuos to it… kinda pathetic when you think about it

  220. Cannondax
    05/02/2013 at 1:53 pm

    If looks could kill JM would be dead right now. The psycho murderer formerly known as Jodi Arias is Seething inside. He is spot on with the assessment of how none of this is her fault. Her eye rolling and head shakes and jaw clenching are in full gear. Wilnotshutup AKA BCOM ( bad case of mange) is just as bad. Now BCOM and Arias are having their little break out, chat session while Juan closes. They had both better pay attention. The needle is on its way.

    • kristin
      05/02/2013 at 6:44 pm

      I was wondering if JA was drawing a picture of herself stabbing Juan.

  221. 05/02/2013 at 1:53 pm

    Syntara :
    die biatch… you doppelgänger….. I see your trident under that desk!! can’t fool me with that lizard tongue… forked tongue…. I see it!

    Syn…see above! Ha! Love it!

  222. Schaeffer
    05/02/2013 at 1:53 pm

    He referenced her “long finger pointing” from the witness stand. Take that, bitch!

  223. brightgirl58
    05/02/2013 at 1:55 pm

    She is just filthy.

  224. 05/02/2013 at 1:56 pm

    grasses back on .. I’m not a kirrer.. I’m a ribrarian!!!!

    • truejustice
      05/02/2013 at 1:58 pm


    • 05/02/2013 at 1:59 pm

      A kirrer ribrarian!!!

  225. commerce1
    05/02/2013 at 2:00 pm

    How do you sit there crafting as if you haven’t a care in the world while jury instructions are being read and closing arguments made? I KNOW this is not lost on the jury. Were I on trial I would be sitting up listening showing the Court and the process the respect it deserves. This is just more of her sociopathic contempt for the Court and the law. She can’t be bothered with it.

    • 05/02/2013 at 2:01 pm

      ya she deserves the DP for not being human!

      • PK
        05/02/2013 at 3:29 pm

        Is that your assessment as a mental health professional or are you allowing your apparent bias sans any testing to control your keyboard?

  226. truejustice
    05/02/2013 at 2:00 pm

    UG lost stream lost stream… no no no no not now

  227. 05/02/2013 at 2:00 pm

    omg nurmi objected.. nurmi is gonna do the closing for the DT??? it’s gonna be filled with anuses!!!

    • Cannondax
      05/02/2013 at 2:04 pm

      Amongst other private parts!

  228. Schaeffer
    05/02/2013 at 2:01 pm

    What was the objection by Wurmi? Couldn’t understand the grounds he cited.

  229. SeniorMoments
    05/02/2013 at 2:02 pm

    Wow! What a look Jodi just shot at Juan when he said” fake tears on the witness stand!”

  230. Cannondax
    05/02/2013 at 2:02 pm

    Wormie, you friggin Walrus, keep your objections to yourself! Juan is offering his close, keep yuor mouth shut!

  231. 05/02/2013 at 2:02 pm

    her fake tears from the witness stand. HA!

  232. Nienna
    05/02/2013 at 2:04 pm

    Oh… MMD See JM’s brother – glasses with the blue and white striped shirt?!

  233. 05/02/2013 at 2:05 pm

    “Is she the Morman conscience?”

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 2:06 pm

      Um NO! LOL

  234. Schaeffer
    05/02/2013 at 2:06 pm

    Dear God, please never let me get on the wrong side of Juan Martinez. He never misses a trick or forgets ANYTHING, and he will bring it up at the most inconvenient time.

  235. 05/02/2013 at 2:07 pm

    I think Juan’s hitting his stride now.

  236. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 2:08 pm

    Love the new – dontyaknow 😀

  237. 05/02/2013 at 2:09 pm

    Jodi Jodi hope your screwed
    Your garage doors are oh so crude
    You make me sick you’re so damn vile
    You creep me out with your reptilian smile.

    Just strap yourself into that chair
    and let the ‘lectricity burn your hair!

  238. Schaeffer
    05/02/2013 at 2:11 pm

    ALV is an apologist! I love that word!

  239. Nienna
    05/02/2013 at 2:12 pm

    NICE!! Reversal!

  240. 05/02/2013 at 2:12 pm

    you need to go into the time continuum to find the meaning!!! that’s why!!

  241. 05/02/2013 at 2:12 pm

    “Tender kissing is domestic violence!…Then brings in the apologist Alyce LaViolette…”
    The Secret is a Lie!

  242. Kristy
    05/02/2013 at 2:12 pm

    I heart Juan.

  243. 05/02/2013 at 2:13 pm

    Jodistein.. see Juan… THAT’s a REAL genius… I bet his IQ is around 150

    • commerce1
      05/02/2013 at 2:19 pm

      And I bet he has a high EQ as well – something Jodistein completely lacks.

      • 05/02/2013 at 2:21 pm

        oh he does.. there is no doubt about that.

    • 05/02/2013 at 5:21 pm

      I agree!

  244. Cannondax
    05/02/2013 at 2:13 pm

    I’m buying JW a gift cert to “The Hair Club for Women”. She’s going to get a killer sunburn on that bald spot.

    • 05/02/2013 at 5:22 pm

      They make Rogaine for Women! She needs some.

  245. 05/02/2013 at 2:14 pm

    HLN is doing what Court tv used to do back in the day. SHow the goddman trial!

  246. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 2:14 pm

    JA is busy rewriting her manifesto.

    • 05/02/2013 at 2:17 pm

      think she is writing to Donoman to hire a hitman … oh hang on.. maybe donoman is a hitman… anyhow… think Juan needs bodyguards… cos I reckon that is a note to send him to salvation.

      • Family of Law
        05/02/2013 at 2:24 pm

        It is a truly scary thought! Juan is UNDOING her- EXPOSING her! I hope he takes precautions- those scumbag jodiariasininnocent fans are potentially dangerous IMO.

      • 05/02/2013 at 2:33 pm


  247. Cannondax
    05/02/2013 at 2:15 pm

    Wormi! shut up!

  248. SeniorMoments
    05/02/2013 at 2:17 pm

    Ooops! She didn’t like the Christmas tree reference!

  249. 05/02/2013 at 2:17 pm

    She is so in denial…..did you see her shake her head when Juanderful mentioned the Christmas tree hijinks?

  250. Schaeffer
    05/02/2013 at 2:18 pm

    What WOBO never understood or took into account is that JUAN is the one with the excellent memory for details, and he is going to use every lie she has ever told put her in hell.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/02/2013 at 3:55 pm

      So right! He doesn’t forget a gesture. remember how he described Darryl “still liking her” and how he paused before he said “Yes” about the trip to mesa.

  251. 05/02/2013 at 2:19 pm

    Hodi is busy writing Wilnot’s closing argument,

  252. 05/02/2013 at 2:19 pm

    she’s just allergic to truth.

  253. 05/02/2013 at 2:19 pm

    Classy how Juan is referring to sex acts without using the words that you know Nurmi will

    • Cannondax
      05/02/2013 at 2:22 pm

      Good point. Juan is to class as Wermi is to filth.

  254. Cannondax
    05/02/2013 at 2:19 pm

    WOBO, keep it up, the smirks, the head shaking, the smug attitude. It’s coming across loud and clear and the Jury is watching.

  255. 05/02/2013 at 2:20 pm

    How’s that finger smell, Nurmi??? Perv!!!!!!!!!!!

    • kristin
      05/02/2013 at 6:52 pm

      Omg!! I’m coming at you with some strong lye soap to wash out your mouth lololol!!

  256. 05/02/2013 at 2:20 pm

    man Nurmi is just sooooo gross… he’s truly disgusting!

    • 05/02/2013 at 5:31 pm

      Nurmi reminds me of my husband’s criminal defense attorney…Herb Weston. Weston is older, but he weighed about 300 lbs. He was so disgusting the way he would talk about sexual deviancy, and the way he and my husband would do the whole “BFF” thing with the notes, etc. Weston would get so close to you when he approached you on the stand you could smell his B.O. Nurmi and Weston aren’t exactly alike, but enough so that I think about it.
      OH OH OH! I have to tell you guys. I was going through a bunch of the letters my husband has written to my boys all at once (he’s allowed to send them letters), and all of a sudden I started seeing the word “edify”. I thought I’d never really heard that word before Jodi repeatedly used it, but then I saw it in the letters a few times. As much as my husband and Jodi are very similar psychopathic narcissistic borderlines, it totally freaked me out!

      • NancyB
        05/02/2013 at 5:54 pm

        Do you actually have to show/read those letters to your boys?

  257. 05/02/2013 at 2:22 pm

    I wish instead of “damage to his car” he could have said “Tires slashed”

  258. 05/02/2013 at 2:23 pm

    that defense table disgusts me in every way… perky cos off the BFF stuff, Jodisltein cos she’s a doppelganger…. Nurmi cos he is a grotesque exogorth

  259. 05/02/2013 at 2:24 pm

    is Juan only given today to do closing or can he go into manana?

    • 05/02/2013 at 2:32 pm

      If Arizona is like Michigan, he can speak as long as he wants.

  260. Nienna
    05/02/2013 at 2:25 pm

    Look how furiously she’s writing!

  261. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 2:25 pm

    Omg Syn! She’s doing that mumbling thing again!!!!

  262. 05/02/2013 at 2:26 pm

    fake tears alert!!!

  263. 05/02/2013 at 2:26 pm

    @ Syn, Donoman is Jabba the Hut. Jabba would hire bounty hunters Boba Fett, Snaggletooth, etc…

    Cross Eyed Jodi blamalama, Cross Eyed Jodi blamalama

    • 05/02/2013 at 2:30 pm

      yayayayay thats an exogorth! 😛 well close enough 😀

  264. SeniorMoments
    05/02/2013 at 2:27 pm

    For he first time, I really believe that JW actually believes the story she’s been selling! This note-passing, face-making, girlfriend behavior is for real! JA has manipulated her successfully!

    • Allison
      05/02/2013 at 2:30 pm

      I agree. At first – I was just thinking the DT were just trying to do their job – but I think they really believe her lies, too.

      • HJ Madison
        05/02/2013 at 2:32 pm

        Not Nurmi …. I think he “knows” …. Wilma yes….

  265. 05/02/2013 at 2:28 pm

    yes yes yes Juan… she IS a sociopath… and yes.. he is done with her!!

  266. Cannondax
    05/02/2013 at 2:29 pm

    She’s trying to bring the tears. If a person refuses to blink their eyes the bodies physiological response is to provide tears to wet the eye, to keep it from drying out. It looked to me that she was trying to not blink.

  267. Allison
    05/02/2013 at 2:31 pm

    Who are the people on the very front seats (in front of JA mom) ???

  268. 05/02/2013 at 2:31 pm

    lol she can;t even cry now… that’s how cold she is! she can;t even MAKE herself cry when the alexander family is in tears!

  269. 05/02/2013 at 2:32 pm

    willmot give it up.. the scribbling ain’t gonna help her! she’s a freakin psychopathicsociapathborderlineschizoid face it!!

  270. truejustice
    05/02/2013 at 2:34 pm

    JA looks really mad… I’m still hoping for an JA outburst/ freakout.

  271. 05/02/2013 at 2:35 pm

    Who wants some goose. It’s cooked well…

    • 05/02/2013 at 2:37 pm


  272. 05/02/2013 at 2:35 pm

    that would be lovely – Syn do you think that could happen (outburst by JA)???

    • 05/02/2013 at 2:40 pm

      I don’t think so.. unless she truly believes she is going to get off and they come back with 1st degree.. but i think with what juan is saying.. even she has to have doubts so she’ll have time to prepare a persona for it.

      I hope she still thinks she is getting off scott free cos that’s the only way there will be a public outburst. Otherwise it will be after she is in her cell or something.. then she will lose it and I would love them to hve a cam and audio set up in there.. heck i’d pay for it to be!!!

      • truejustice
        05/02/2013 at 2:56 pm

        aw – sucks

      • 05/02/2013 at 2:57 pm

        well we can always hope!

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/02/2013 at 3:52 pm

        Thats my mate! I’d be there paying for it as well!

  273. 05/02/2013 at 2:36 pm

    Gramma looks to me like she’s saying yeah, yeah, get it over with,I know she’s guilty. I’m just so embarrassed that I’m here.

  274. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 2:38 pm

    Finally! The Priceline tie in!!! Juan SAVED it for closing!!! GENIUS!!!

  275. Allison
    05/02/2013 at 2:39 pm

    Explain the Priceline thing to me.

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 2:42 pm

      At the lunchbreak, ok?

      • Allison
        05/02/2013 at 2:49 pm

        K – 🙂 thanks

  276. 05/02/2013 at 2:39 pm

    “Maybe Washington Mutual subscribes to the laws of attraction, and they lied to you…” Ahahahahahahahah

    • 05/02/2013 at 3:12 pm

      mmwhwhahahaha I so wanted to type that but didn’t have time.. I LOVED it!!!

  277. Anonymous
    05/02/2013 at 2:40 pm

    I just cannot believe the unprofessional behavior of DT…Wilmot is a HS MEAN GIRL.conferring with her best friend. And wurmi interrupts! so sad that they are being paid! Hope this ends their careers!

  278. Kristy
    05/02/2013 at 2:40 pm

    Juan is so slick, sneaking in the lie about the rental car and showing the much higher cost for her car trip versus the flight to the memorial.

    • Allison
      05/02/2013 at 2:42 pm

      How much was the car rental and how much was the flight???

      • Nienna
        05/02/2013 at 2:43 pm

        Ten dollars more expensive for the flight than the car. But that’s not counting gas!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/02/2013 at 3:50 pm

      among quite a few elegant moves from the Juanster. He even started back with “Bobby” and showed he jumping and latching unto each subsequent guy . Loved his version of wobo “blaming” the computers for “having the backspace button” that makes it so easy to spy on others!

    • renae
      05/02/2013 at 3:57 pm

      but she couldn’t take a GUN on a plane.

  279. 05/02/2013 at 2:41 pm

    Juan’s on it now boy!!! She scratched the cd’s!!!! Ahahahahahahahahahah

  280. 05/02/2013 at 2:42 pm

    that’s right, no holes to be left in anything! This man is incredible – he so moves me.

  281. 05/02/2013 at 2:43 pm

    Brilliant, Juan. “It’s those little details she forgets…Why else take the CDs unless you were gonna kill him?!”

  282. 05/02/2013 at 2:44 pm

    yes.. she brings a peace offering as I said.. not the blackmail tape… something to lull him into a false sense of security.. thank you JUan.. luvs ya babe!

    • 05/02/2013 at 2:45 pm

      cd’s and the cheque she forgot and left on the desk.. two peace offerings.. look I dropped in to give you these Travis.

      • Nienna
        05/02/2013 at 2:51 pm

        I agree!! Always thought she brought that check to him too! She even asked his sister at one point if he had cashed it!

      • Nienna
        05/02/2013 at 2:52 pm

        Oops. Was supposed to be the next one down. 😦

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 2:48 pm

      Yes- Juan nailed the CD’s as the peace pipe! That’s it!!!! 🙂

      • 05/02/2013 at 2:49 pm

        still think she may have brought that car payment cheque too.

  283. Cannondax
    05/02/2013 at 2:44 pm

    My wife and I have been married for 30 years. Have we had arguments? You bet. That being said we have never yelled at or hit each other. I was raised old school, “never ever hit a woman”. When WOBO smirks and shakes her head I have a very base and visceral desire to smack her, I’ve never felt this feeling toward a woman. Glad I’m nowhere near her.

    • 05/02/2013 at 2:46 pm

      hahahahah these ppl make ya feel that way.. you can’t help it!

    • 05/02/2013 at 2:48 pm

      I’m right there with ya.

  284. HJ Madison
    05/02/2013 at 2:45 pm

    Another weed ….😊

  285. Cannondax
    05/02/2013 at 2:47 pm

    Thank you Juan for bringing up the fact that she told the car rental attendant she was only using the car locally. Total lie, she knew she was going interstate. More proof for premeditation.

  286. 05/02/2013 at 2:48 pm

    Judgey wudgey is not looking too impressed with Jodistein. and she keeps overruling without even looking up most of the time.. love it!!!

    • Marilyn N
      05/02/2013 at 2:51 pm

      What the H_ _ _ is she writing?
      What a C _ _ _ !!!!!!

      • Marilyn N
        05/02/2013 at 2:53 pm

        Willnut looks way more nervous than JA!

  287. 05/02/2013 at 2:51 pm

    To Jury: “You can’t even believe your own eyes.”

  288. 05/02/2013 at 2:52 pm

    GUILTY same as above.. add in the gun too but it’s not even needed…. add in the CD’s too but they arent needed either. add in the rental car from redding.. but it’s not needed either.. add in the white car not the red car.. but it’s not needed either.

  289. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 2:52 pm

    Perky, you’re BFF is gonna come after you now, cus you are no longer if ANY use to her. This is OVER. I dont care how many “em kays”, and nauseating polite smiles you give the jury. Juan just plugged the last of JA’s 3 holes!

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 3:22 pm

      Sincere apologies for my vulgar comment! It was “heat of passion”, “sudden quarrel”. ***hanging head***

  290. 05/02/2013 at 2:54 pm

    omg she is laughing!!!!! gotta luv a sociopath!!!

    • 05/02/2013 at 2:54 pm

      just like Bundy

      • Cannondax
        05/02/2013 at 2:58 pm

        This thing is a big joke to her. She really is a sociopathic freak. Must not realize her life is on the line.

  291. Marilyn N
    05/02/2013 at 2:54 pm

    Willnut, doesn’t your Jodi realize this is a serious case here! Laughing??

  292. Cannondax
    05/02/2013 at 2:54 pm

    I’ve never had a “Man crush” in my life. Not that there’s anything wrong with that sort of thing. Only thing I can say is Juan is a STUD!

    • 05/02/2013 at 2:56 pm

      hahahaha you and Robert both… by the way where is Robert???

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/02/2013 at 3:45 pm

      Hey buddy, there’s a line for that. Fall in.

      • Cannondax
        05/02/2013 at 4:13 pm

        Being that I’m the new guy I’ll defer to you.

  293. 05/02/2013 at 2:55 pm

    2001 ways to cut your finger

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 2:56 pm

      That’s the name of her manifesto!

  294. Nienna
    05/02/2013 at 2:55 pm

    “You take your pick”

    Said everyone about everything thing Ja’s every told anyone!

  295. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 2:55 pm

    JA still has her “sense of humor”- SQUEALING like a cat, cracked her up! Holy moly, I hope the jury saw that!

  296. dpforjodi
    05/02/2013 at 2:56 pm

    squeal like a cat oh Juan I love it when you talk dirty to me

    • 05/02/2013 at 2:56 pm


      • dpforjodi
        05/02/2013 at 3:00 pm


  297. 05/02/2013 at 2:56 pm

    Hoard of screw-driver-carrying-skateboard-hoarders!!!!!!! Love it!!!

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 2:59 pm

      Rrriiigght! 🙂

  298. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 2:58 pm

    Juan’s sarcasm is PERFECT!

  299. Marilyn N
    05/02/2013 at 2:58 pm

    HLN no commercials – wow!!

    • truejustice
      05/02/2013 at 3:03 pm

      CBS5 az tweeted that hlntv was broadcasting closing arguments over a load speaker outside of the courthouse.

      • 05/02/2013 at 3:04 pm


      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 3:41 pm

        I’m impressed!!!! Unheard of for them!!!!!!

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/02/2013 at 3:43 pm

        LOVE IT!

  300. 05/02/2013 at 2:58 pm

    Hordes of skateboarders! Ha! This is devestating as we klnew it would be.

    • Kathy A.
      05/02/2013 at 3:59 pm

      That was perfect! “Apparently, in Pasadena there are these hordes of skateboarders who carry screwdrivers…” 🙂

  301. 05/02/2013 at 2:59 pm

    hahaha she’s shaking her head….. ya right that’s convincing Jodistein you freakin jenius! she’s practiced that one.. it’s a new affect!

  302. truejustice
    05/02/2013 at 3:01 pm

    wow – lunch already. Never though I would say this .. but today is flying by.

  303. Marilyn N
    05/02/2013 at 3:02 pm

    WIllnut grinding bottom lip off!!!

  304. Schaeffer
    05/02/2013 at 3:02 pm

    the WOBO to JW: “Do I have to eat lunch by myself?” THAT is what she is worried about at this time?

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 3:03 pm

      I can see that over what I saw her say 🙂

  305. 05/02/2013 at 3:02 pm

    Why does she bother same…..”…..we will start on time”!!!!!!!!!!! That is such an insult….if I were the jury….I would say…..bitch don’t bother admonishing us!!!!!!!!

  306. Nienna
    05/02/2013 at 3:02 pm

    I just read her lips… (I know!) Looked like she said “I feel like I’m gonna pass out”. Probably didn’t but she has a damn headache later, I’ll be pissed!!!

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 3:04 pm

      Yeah OK.. See Schaeffer upstairs

    • 05/02/2013 at 3:04 pm

      omg it freakin better not be.. but this is the exact situation it would be!

  307. 05/02/2013 at 3:02 pm

    ya whats the chances that it’s her car this happens to right after she has killed Travis?

    • truejustice
      05/02/2013 at 3:05 pm

      she has the worst luck of anyone …. ever … dontcha know lol

    • 05/02/2013 at 3:05 pm

      Right! Another serendipitous event in JA life….all conveniently around the time she slaughters some poor guy to death!!!

  308. Cannondax
    05/02/2013 at 3:03 pm

    Go Juan!
    Yes WOBO you are experiencing a world class butt kicking. I hope your lunch menu includes some of Sheriff Joe’s stale bread and green balony.

  309. 05/02/2013 at 3:03 pm

    FOL need some of that popcorn over here! 😀

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 3:26 pm

      You know I’ll share with you! I’m going to make another bowl! I was power eating!!!

      • 05/02/2013 at 3:36 pm

        LOL @ power eating! I can just see it!

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/02/2013 at 3:38 pm

        I shall head to the micorwave for some right now. Good for the nerves. Eat eat eat eat

  310. 05/02/2013 at 3:04 pm

    Someone should tell JM that the screwdriver is part of the initiation process….a la West Side Story! Can’t wield a screwdriver…..can’t join the skateboard gang! Sorry!

    • 05/02/2013 at 5:41 pm

      Yah cuz Pasadena is such a bad area. I bet the skateboard gang is called the “Pasadena Loco’s”…NOT! Their rival gang is the “Beverly Hills Baddasses”.

  311. 05/02/2013 at 3:04 pm

    It’s like me as a fourth grader trying to hide my report cards, trying to match wits with my parents and teachers.

    • 05/02/2013 at 3:05 pm

      hmmm didn’t go well then I take it?? 😛

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 3:32 pm

      Lol Bubble! I wasn’t allowed to have pop with my sack lunch in grade school (milk only cuz I was a growing girl! -eh thanks Mom, I’m 5’10 now!) So I hid a can in my rolled up gym suit! When my mom caught me, she told me I was being a “sneaky Pete”! I was mortified!!! Years later, it was a source if giggles between us!

  312. HJ Madison
    05/02/2013 at 3:06 pm

    Allison :
    Explain the Priceline thing to me.

    This answer will appear again …. my first try went to moderation … I don’t know why … just ignore when it pops up later.

    The bank statement shows a charge directly from Budget Car. She claimed she drove 100 miles to Redding to get the rental car because she got a deal thru Priceline and the sane deal was nit offered in Yreka. On the same bank statement it showed she bought her air ticket thru Priceline AND Priceline did the billing. So, to be believed, the Budget car should also have been billed thru Priceline. Got it?

    • Allison
      05/02/2013 at 4:10 pm

      OOOOOO – how did I miss that?? Very Nice !! Thanks so much !!!

  313. Schaeffer
    05/02/2013 at 3:07 pm

    I wonder what the WOBO thought when the police pulled her over in West Jordan, less than 24hours after she had murdered Travis. Do you think she thought “Oh, shit, I’m caught?” or was she not even scared? Obviously, she coolly lied her way out of it, but I wonder if, even for the briefest moment, she panicked. I’d love to have been a “fly on the car” on that occasion.

    • 05/02/2013 at 5:43 pm

      No one is that cool…you think? She had to have been sweating at least a little. However, once she got on her way, she probably felt invincible.

  314. 05/02/2013 at 3:08 pm

    where the heck is Robert???

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 3:11 pm

      Maybe he is taking a little “cat” nap … no reference to WOBO’s sound making intended! Heeheeheeheee

      • 05/02/2013 at 3:13 pm

        nah… its around 8pm over there I think.. so maybe he went to eat or something.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/02/2013 at 3:19 pm

      I simply stayed on Juan and made somenotes (below). Wow.

  315. Schaeffer
    05/02/2013 at 3:12 pm

    I am confused about the Priceline/Budget connection. I see HJM explained it just above in response to Allison, but I still don’t get it. What I don’t understand is what he was saying about “paying up front” with Priceline and about it showing up on her credit card statement in Yreka instead of Redding . I must confess, I have never owned a credit card and I’ve never used any service like Priceline, so I need a very basic explanation. tx

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 3:30 pm

      See downstairs…

  316. SeniorMoments
    05/02/2013 at 3:14 pm

    The significance of the cd story had previously escaped me, but I think it’s the most powerful evidence of premeditation to be brought out!

    • 05/02/2013 at 3:23 pm

      certainly up there with the gas cans and the hair dye

  317. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 3:14 pm

    OMG My man is a genius dontyaknow?????????????? 😀 And JA is getting so pissed and now she’s totally ignoring him. We have never had this much uninterrupted court time since we started.

  318. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/02/2013 at 3:15 pm

    Wow! My head is spinning. Beautiful to watch. Without notes the Juanster takes us through the narrative. Lines of his jump around in my head:
    “a girl who can’t say no”
    “whats a girl to do?”
    the :hoardes of skateboarders with screw drivers”
    “the long finger pointig from the witness stand”
    when she moves back to Yreka, “its almost like a ray of sunshine for Travis”
    LaLa Toilette is the ‘apologist” who “lied on the stand”
    wobo “likes the limlight” and “staged” things for the jury”
    ‘So what! he’s kissing another woman. Its his house!”
    during phone call wobo “was squeling like a cat”
    Maybe Muttual Bank uses the Law of Attraction”
    The buglers in Yreka on May 28 “didn’t take money –too heavy; took one item from 4 rooms, no rifles, just a ,25 caliber gun”
    She saw the other woman “with the light of the television, but now the light of truth is shining”
    “$12.96-the price of pre-meditation”
    On the stand she sat amidst “a field of lies”where another “weed” would grow
    she “lies and lies” and she’s “manipulative””
    “None of it is ever her fault”
    Travis “was extremely afraid of her stalking”–the”most prophetic words” were: “you’re the worst thing that ever happened to me”

    He paints the premeditation on May 26 texts and calls.Shows the trip for the car, the hair color change, the gas cans, the gun, hiding the license plates. Tells us that we dont know that Travis expected her. “She told us that”

    Typpical behavior from wobo and Gidget the BFFS. Talking and “drawing” during Juans closing. Wormi objects 3 times and is overruled twice. A break for a meal and more Juan when we return!
    Go Juanster!

    • 05/02/2013 at 3:21 pm

      there you are! been note taking I see no wonder you been so quiet!

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/02/2013 at 3:34 pm

        This was a master class for me; I had to pay attention and take some notes. The Juanster was performing like, well, like a distinguished professor from a university..a “real” university!

      • 05/02/2013 at 3:38 pm

        he is a master! I love how he can abstract reason. He is the oppostie of Jodistein… his processing score would be off the chart! He’s brillant!!!

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 3:39 pm

        He was performing like the true master of his craft that he is!!!!

      • 05/02/2013 at 3:40 pm

        glad you gave him my notes sista!!! 😀

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 3:34 pm

      Bravo Robert!!! Awesome highlight reel!!!

  319. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 3:15 pm

    Lied, cried, gonna be fried 😀

    • MoVG
      05/02/2013 at 3:41 pm

      Where’s my like button?! haha Nice! MMD!

  320. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 3:18 pm

    It’s actually scary to see that Gidget truly does believe JA whereas Wurmi knows that she’s as guilty as sin and wants to get as far away as fast as he can from her!

  321. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 3:19 pm

    I wonder if Gidget and Wurmi are gonna split the closing because Gidget is taking notes like crazy and ya would think that Wurmi would already have his closing prepared????? Anyone???

    • LindaLou
      05/02/2013 at 3:27 pm

      Hi MMD. I noticed that too and just said to myself, apparently the defense is learning a lot today. Must not have been paying to the prosecution’s case all along.

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 3:37 pm

        😆 could be

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 3:38 pm

        But yet I still think Gidget believes JA, I truly do. Scary huh! 😯

  322. dedapaske
    05/02/2013 at 3:23 pm

    Now if I was on trial and facing the death penalty…..I would be a basket case and crying like a baby. It pisses me off how arrogant this lunatic is. She can’t even muster up one real year.

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 3:28 pm

      I’d be so out of my mind that I would have to be medicated – truly. I would not even be able to sit there I would be so terrified let alone laugh, craft, chat, and whateverelsethehell she does at that table.

      I am absolutely astounded at the amount of lies she told and how she managed to keep the majority of them straight. Truly astounded me!!!

  323. Nienna
    05/02/2013 at 3:23 pm


    JA said she went to Redding to rent the car instead of renting in Yreka because Priceline gave a better deal in Redding. But she didn’t pay Priceline for the car she paid Budget. But she did pay Priceline for a airline ticket. JM is saying she lied about the discount that there was not one. She went to Redding where noone knew her. If she rented through PPriceline it would have shown up as Priceline and it didn’t. He’s saying Priceline would not have let her pay Budget because Priceline would possibly never receied their money from the deal. Hope this helps.

    • Marilyn N
      05/02/2013 at 3:25 pm

      Oooooo! Thanks for that. I totally missed it!

    • Schaeffer
      05/02/2013 at 3:37 pm

      Thank you! What he was saying went right over my head. I did, however, think of another reason she went to Redding to rent the car: she owed everyone money, especially her parents and grandparents, so they would have wondered why she was renting a car (without a GPS) to go on a long trip, when she had a decent, relatively new car with a GPS.

  324. Marilyn N
    05/02/2013 at 3:24 pm

    Hard to imagine Wurmi doing the closing. He would need 2 weeks at his speaking speed!

    I can imagine the jury taking less than a day for their decision on Monday!!

  325. 05/02/2013 at 3:25 pm

    with the amount of note taking on the DT side.. I think their closing is just going to be rebutting Juan and as much sex talk as they can fit in

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 3:28 pm

      Vomitting! Hand me a barfbag please!!

    • Marilyn N
      05/02/2013 at 3:29 pm

      Maybe Willnut will say it’s Dr Horn’s fault making an error on his report!!
      Travis must have shot himself!!!

      • 05/02/2013 at 3:36 pm

        well it’s already kinda his fault cos the gun just went off when he lunged at her and she didn’t even know she shot him

  326. Marilyn N
    05/02/2013 at 3:27 pm

    Listening to Juan so far this morning kind of puts Dr. Horn’s little mistake into perspective!
    Seems VERY minor now.
    JA smiling and laughing is atrocious!

  327. SeniorMoments
    05/02/2013 at 3:28 pm

    Anyone want to bet how many times Nurmi can find to work in “slut” and “3 holed wonder ” in his closing?

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 3:29 pm

      Nope… But I am getting the Jack Daniels bottle handy for that one!

    • 05/02/2013 at 3:30 pm

      it’s going to make Jodi does Everybody look worse anyhow… especially now Juan has pointed out she deliberately targeted him to sexually manipulate him.

    • 05/02/2013 at 3:35 pm

      And Anal
      And Oral
      And sex tape

      • 05/02/2013 at 3:36 pm

        Ugh! Just made myself gag!!!

      • renae
        05/02/2013 at 4:09 pm

        don’t forget lube….never in my life have I heard that word so much except in a garage

  328. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/02/2013 at 3:29 pm

    one other time in my court going have I seen a closing that matched this. The federal prosecutor from Cornell faculty I think as well, now a judge, in the Rodney King federal case. He spoke for nearly 2 hours without a notem,, showing the video odf the attack, explained everything, beautiful to watch. Like today.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/02/2013 at 3:30 pm

      now Im goin to scroll and read the blow by blow account!

  329. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 3:32 pm

    I would imagine that the jury is as fed up with the defense team as we are and if Wurmi tries to drag it out, they are just gonna be pissed. At least JM is pointing out the truth and you can see how passionate about this case. Plus they are seeing how the Arias family is dealing with this compared to the Alexanders who are truly suffering.

  330. donchais
    05/02/2013 at 3:36 pm

    I said yesterday I will have no problem banning folks…stop with the sniping! It’s not cute or funny. If ya can’t play nice, ya can’t play at all!

    • 05/02/2013 at 5:52 pm

      Donchais, I’m confused? Sniping…like at the defense team? I don’t see anyone here sniping at each other, unless I’ve missed something. I’m just making sure my name isn’t on the board. 🙂

  331. 05/02/2013 at 3:38 pm

    How prophetic Flores was when telling Jodi (don’t remember exact words) that she didnn’t want to mess with the prosecutor. So glad he’s there. And to think he does it for the love of justice as he doesn’t make much in comparison to private practice (WOBO’s defense team). Makes me sick.

    • 05/02/2013 at 3:42 pm

      yep he warned her… I hope she gets the maximum.. then he can sneer over to her and say “told ya I was trying to help you” 😀

      • Kristy
        05/02/2013 at 3:52 pm

        Jodi’s in Juan’s house now, and the house rules!

      • 05/02/2013 at 4:19 pm

        oh I know, I know – he’ll just say Beat yea (brat).

      • 05/02/2013 at 4:20 pm

        “Travis beat ya… brat” ya ya ya!! 😀

  332. Kristy
    05/02/2013 at 3:40 pm

    MMD :
    could be

    I bet Nurmi has picked up on Juan’s discoveries during cross, and realized they were screwed.

  333. 05/02/2013 at 3:42 pm

    Hey, when does this show get back on the road?

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 3:44 pm

      Around 4:30

      • 05/02/2013 at 3:48 pm

        did they take the full 1 and half.. I didnt hear what Judge said?

      • donchais
        05/02/2013 at 3:48 pm


      • 05/02/2013 at 3:49 pm

        thanks Donchais 🙂

  334. 05/02/2013 at 3:43 pm

    OMG! Donchais is it me? I’m sorry. I get carried away in the heat of the moment!

    • donchais
      05/02/2013 at 3:44 pm


      • Family of Law
        05/02/2013 at 3:52 pm

        Sorry Donchais! Hope it wasn’t my vulgar 3 hole comment! I already claimed “heat of passion” ***hanging head***

      • donchais
        05/02/2013 at 3:53 pm

        Nope! Talking personal attacks!

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 3:59 pm

        Is it me cause if it is, I’m sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • donchais
        05/02/2013 at 4:02 pm

        No, hopefully the guilty recognizes where the message is meant to go!

      • Nienna
        05/02/2013 at 4:00 pm

        Think she’s referring to the same as yesterday…

    • 05/02/2013 at 3:46 pm

      WITJ when do you ever do anything like that! you are way too nice!

  335. Kristy
    05/02/2013 at 3:47 pm

    I think one thing (among) many things about Jodi the jury won’t forget is when she told Juan on cross that “she didn’t like it when he jizzed on her face”. She really blew her childlike innocent game there. I loved that Juan referenced her request for that same act!

    • 05/02/2013 at 3:52 pm

      that’s the really surreal nature of her persona…. she simply has no idea of what is appropriate.. not in the remotest way. It’s makes her feel creepy, it’s why even the men who see through her just want to smack her even though they’d never touch a woman normally.

      • Kristy
        05/02/2013 at 4:00 pm

        I think her innocent girl look is backfiring big time. She admitted to stalking, even though she didn’t think it was stalking. It makes one look at her and wonder about what folks don’t know that gives one the creeps looking at her.

      • 05/02/2013 at 4:07 pm

        ya exactly cos it is all so inappropriate yet she seem oblivious to that fact.

  336. 05/02/2013 at 3:54 pm

    Oh Gawd, what did I do now? I thought I was behaving

    • 05/02/2013 at 3:56 pm

      LOLOL Bubble…. you visiting the naughty corner again??

  337. HJ Madison
    05/02/2013 at 3:55 pm

    MMD :
    Damn, everyone on the street must have gotten together while I was watching this trial and decided to have their lawns rolled. Really noisy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Ok …. so while we wait …. what is a “rolled” lawn? Is it like a drink at the “bubbler”?

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 4:03 pm

      Well because the ground freezes here and we are on an island, once the ground thaws your lawn can be all lumpy and bumpy and so you hire a guy on a big machine that goes around and rolls it so it’s all nice and flat. Kinda like they do when they are paving a highway. The machine looks like that only its for the lawn. They are constantly having to rebuild the roads every year as well for the same reason. We only have a sandy base to start with anyway. Question??????? 🙂

      • 05/02/2013 at 4:10 pm

        I’ve never seen snow so that is just so alien to me I can’t even get my head around it! Rolling your lawn cos it was frozen.. ok that’s a new one to me!

      • HJ Madison
        05/02/2013 at 4:11 pm

        Excellant answer …. I thought it was going to be something like “tipping cows” — a drunken state when you are likely to do anything. 🐮

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 4:20 pm

        ROFL HJ too funny 😆

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 4:22 pm

        Ya just don’t what you’re missing Syn – especially when ya have to shovel it!!!!!!!!!! 😦 Thankfully my plow not only does my driveway and does a sweep across my front walk (lose a ton of grass but it grows back) so I only have to do my front porch and steps.

      • 05/02/2013 at 4:22 pm

        what like a neighbourhood orgy???? or have I just been watching way too much of this trial?

      • 05/02/2013 at 5:55 pm

        You learn something new everyday. Thanks!

  338. 05/02/2013 at 3:57 pm

    Hey all, I’m sitting here with Jack Mormon, watching closing.

  339. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 3:58 pm

    I wish we could hear what the DT is saying at lunch??? What they (in particular Perky) say to JA in private. I’m still baffled that Perky truly seems to LIKE JA, she appears to believe her! Perky must have drank gallons of JA’s special Koolaid. But I think Wurmi can’t wait to be done with this case, and her.

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 4:01 pm

      Totally AGREE! And the way the BFF’s chat … it ismlike they are exchanging recipes! So weird! Really, I think they are doing something like hangman …. what else can all that lean over cross scribbling be?

    • Kristy
      05/02/2013 at 4:03 pm

      I think surmise knew the whole defense was going to fall apart like a deck of cards once Jodi hit the stands. He gave it a shot, giving Jodi signals with all his nosepicking, but even the jury is onto that trick.

    • 05/02/2013 at 4:04 pm

      yeah on a serious note FOL… it really does appear that way.. to a point that it;s undeniable… do you think there is even a remote chance it’s an act by The Perkster?

      I tell you to me it really looks genuine and I’ve tried to see it as just professional to present the facade to the jury.. but even the most basic body language says there is genuine friendship there.. of course it’s one sided as we know.. but Perky really seems to have fallen under Jodisteins spell.

      • Kristy
        05/02/2013 at 4:08 pm

        Quite frankly, I would bet there’s a lot for show. First thing Jodi’s going to do after getting convicted is through her defense team under the bus. I bet there’s a lot of CYA going on with Nurmi and Wilmett.

      • 05/02/2013 at 4:13 pm

        oh ya its definitely a use and abuse by Jodistein she knows no other way… I was meaning Perky towards Jodistein.. soz probably didn’t word it right.

      • HJ Madison
        05/02/2013 at 4:14 pm

        I wonder if Wilnot just MUST believe in order to “carry on”. And maybe she is a little afraid of JA and her cohorts.

      • 05/02/2013 at 4:18 pm

        yes that’s another possibility… but their behaviour is so immature I wonder why Perky would allow herself to be portrayed in that light around the world if it’s just an act. I wouldn’t want to be seen behaving like that.

      • Kristy
        05/02/2013 at 4:20 pm

        Actually the one that really seems taken with Jodi is her mitigation.

      • 05/02/2013 at 4:23 pm

        oh yeah earlier in the trial.. esp right before and after Jodisteins testimony… that was bizarre between those two.

      • Family of Law
        05/02/2013 at 4:26 pm

        I don’t think Perk could pul off that good of acting, I agree that it’s real and genuine “like”. All kidding aside about JW’s intelligence, she can’t be stupid and have made it through a decent Univ and Law school- so, she has clearly been another victim of JA’s manipulative powers- I shudder to think what it will feel like, when she SEES JA clearly-

      • 05/02/2013 at 4:32 pm

        yep she can’t be stupid… can she??? 😛 maybe it’s her inexperience in these situations… I mean from what I glean and this may or may not be accurate.. this trial is kind of a big leap for her.. and throw a Jodistein into the mix and she may just be way out of her depth with it all. It’d be pretty overwhelming even to an experienced attorney I would have thought.

    • Marilyn N
      05/02/2013 at 4:18 pm

      Willnut is probably afraid of her, just like Travis was!

  340. 05/02/2013 at 3:59 pm

    Family of Law :
    Sorry Donchais! Hope it wasn’t my vulgar 3 hole comment! I already claimed “heat of passion” ***hanging head***

    hey FOL… stop hanging your head and bring that fresh bowl a popcorn over here would ya!! 😀 (actually I wish I had some you have made me want some now for real! 😀 )

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 4:17 pm

      went in the kitchen, looked at the popcorn, got another frozen mango pop, more dried mango and a glass of milk – really felt like popcorn though 😦

      • 05/02/2013 at 4:19 pm

        see it’s all FOL’s fault!!!

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 4:26 pm

        I know – she doesn’t even share – pfffffffffffffft

      • Family of Law
        05/02/2013 at 4:37 pm

        Syn- don’t send me to the “naughty corner”! I would happily share:). *I just read the back of the microwave pack, 1 serving is 170 cal and 1 bag is 2.7 servings… So I REALLY should be sharing!

      • Family of Law
        05/02/2013 at 4:41 pm

        Don’t Pffft me 🙂 I would share with you too MMD! Mango pops sound yummy tho!

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 4:32 pm

      Oh how I would love to come to OZ and share my bowl of popcorn with you!!!! (in all seriousness 1 bowl down, and seriously contemplating a 2nd!)

  341. LindaLou
    05/02/2013 at 4:01 pm

    I soo enjoyed Juan tying all the facts together this morning and just think, he hasn’t even gotten to that dreadful day Travis was killed. It will be a sight to see and hear when he details the facts and the scenario he paints for the jury of that day.

    • Kristy
      05/02/2013 at 4:14 pm

      The other thing I’m looking forward to is when he focuses on what Jodi did after she killed Travis, the myriad of lies, in particular that Jodi told Flores that Travis didn’t own a gun.

    • 05/02/2013 at 4:26 pm

      yes i am really looking forward to his take on it… as I am sure so many of us are

  342. JesusFreak
    05/02/2013 at 4:01 pm

    If you have trouble with your website after lunch, try http://www.radaronline.com it has been fine all morning. I had to leave crimeandcourtsnews because it kept repeating.

  343. Schaeffer
    05/02/2013 at 4:04 pm

    This is out of order, but on topic. Can someone tell me where the typo re: the dura mater was? I have read the unredacted autopsy report several times and cannot find it. tx

  344. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 4:04 pm

    Nienna :
    Think she’s referring to the same as yesterday…

    Ok got it 💡

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 4:08 pm

      Were you questioning the “bubbler” questions upstairs?… If so, it means water fountain. When I moved from North Carolina to Massachusetts it confused me to when I heard it (which was rare). They’ll say “gonna have a drink at the bubbler”.

      • HJ Madison
        05/02/2013 at 4:24 pm

        Really? They use “bubbler” in Mass? It is a well loved word-use in Wes….CAWN…sin. Now “jug handle” — we are going to get our first “jug handle” soon — it will take forever for locals to understand “turn at the jug handle” doesn’t mean turn at the nearest tavern!

      • 05/02/2013 at 4:28 pm

        we call it bubbler hear too… those water coolers that you can get drinks from or sometimes just drinking taps not necessarily cooled.

        Well actually not sure which states here in Aus call it that.. but I know it as that.

      • Nienna
        05/02/2013 at 4:34 pm

        Yes. Never heard out it when I was in the South. Jug handle? It’s not a bar?

  345. 05/02/2013 at 4:09 pm

    I meant to say I am watching the trial with a Jack Mormon.

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 4:14 pm

      Sorry… Had to google it. But now I get. lol

      • MMD
        05/02/2013 at 4:15 pm

        so did I lol

      • Nienna
        05/02/2013 at 4:16 pm


  346. Kristy
    05/02/2013 at 4:18 pm

    Syntara :
    oh ya its definitely a use and abuse by Jodistein she knows no other way… I was meaning Perky towards Jodistein.. soz probably didn’t word it right.

    I got what you meant, but I disagree. Besides, if the defense looks like they can’t stand their client, it will look bad for them. Who knows, she may like Jodi, but she’s not foolish enough to waste her career over Jodi.

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 4:29 pm

      I still think that Perky is under her spell – not Wurmi – he can’t stand her, jmo

      • SeniorMoments
        05/02/2013 at 4:35 pm

        I agree, MMD. As you said above, I st first thought they were just doing their jobs, but I think JW has totally bought into her. Nurmi is just doing his job…….one he tried to get out of! By the way, I do a double take when I see your handle because they are my initials! I keep reminding myself that I’m not using them here!

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 4:31 pm

      plus I think both of their careers are already over because of this case. once again, jmo

  347. 05/02/2013 at 4:20 pm

    forgive my ignorance – what’s the tinfoiled hat for?

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 4:24 pm

      to protect us from the aliens in the courtroom of course. They even have antennas!!! We also have barf bags with ALV’s face on them and hip waders to get through all the crap that the defense spews!!!

      • 05/02/2013 at 5:00 pm

        well then, I just put mine one with pride!

  348. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 4:27 pm

    So you ya think that JM is gonna take up the rest of the afternoon or do you think that Wurmi will be able to start????????? Anyone????????

    • truejustice
      05/02/2013 at 4:34 pm

      I’m kinda hoping he giver her an 1 to 1.5 hrs to start and has to finish tomorrow – to break up her arguments. Although I suspect if JM finishes early they will just let the jury go early.

  349. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 4:30 pm

    Where’s Jim today? He’s missing the best day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 4:36 pm

      Maybe he is the one who said something naughty?? JOKING!!!!!😉

  350. 05/02/2013 at 4:33 pm

    There is a rather good docu on the Eagles lately. In it Joe Walsh dons a tin foil hat with antanae. Tried to find the iso pic, no zen.

  351. HJ Madison
    05/02/2013 at 4:34 pm

    Syntara :
    I’ve never seen snow so that is just so alien to me I can’t even get my head around it! Rolling your lawn cos it was frozen.. ok that’s a new one to me!

    Ah Syn…. I can not believe that! It is kind of a pain, but sometimes there is nothing like a good old fashioned blizzard! Everyone clears the store shelves of essentials (milk, beer,toilet paper, chili fixin’s) and then you just huddle up … all cozy and snug and watch it snow. You must try it! It snows in New Zealand, right? Oh boy … we are back!

  352. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 4:34 pm

    I have no idea how the Alexander family is going to get through this weekend!!!!!!! I have no idea how I’m gonna get through the weekend and I’m not family.

  353. Marilyn N
    05/02/2013 at 4:35 pm

    Jodi doing her “therapy” work.

  354. 05/02/2013 at 4:35 pm

    One legal thing I just wanted you all know is that NO ONE is excluded from the courtroom during closing arguments. So any witnesses that were previously precluded due to being on the witness list subject to recall, they are all allowed to show up in court as spectators now if they want to.

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 4:38 pm

      Not necessarily ….. if they may be called during the agravator and penalty phase — Dr. DeMarta, for example.

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 4:40 pm

      I take that back …. closing is argument, not testimony. Sorry!

  355. truejustice
    05/02/2013 at 4:35 pm

    cbs5az : elizabetherwin Made eye contact with #JodiArias when she came into court. She gave me a dirty look and whipped back around to the front.

    Why does that not surprise me .

  356. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 4:36 pm

    OK Janet and Allison – here we go!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Allison
      05/02/2013 at 4:46 pm


  357. NancyB
    05/02/2013 at 4:37 pm

    Juan will go all day I think

  358. Kristy
    05/02/2013 at 4:41 pm

    Jodi laughing is so inappropriate.

  359. truejustice
    05/02/2013 at 4:42 pm

    JA’s BFF should tell her that her laughing, smirking, eye rolling is not appropriate behavior for someone on trial for her life. OH.. WAIT , her BFF does it too

  360. 05/02/2013 at 4:43 pm

    Awake again, found this while waiting to restart. Clip where WOBO tells Juan under cross that she returned can to same Walmart. This is what The Nurm objected to saying wasn’t in evidence So get ready for Nurm to bring that up in his closing.

  361. 05/02/2013 at 4:44 pm

    so are there pics of her straddling him?? were they not released publically?? These we haven’t seen.. well I haven’t has anyone?

    • truejustice
      05/02/2013 at 4:45 pm

      I don’t remember then either

      • truejustice
        05/02/2013 at 4:46 pm

        seriously — I’m the worst typist ever. … “them”

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 4:49 pm

      Think he’s talking about the disgusting pic of her rear. She’s supposedly straddling him in that one. Reverse cowgirl?

      • 05/02/2013 at 4:55 pm

        nah he isn’t under her then… I looked at everything but her garage in that photo to try to see the time he is not in that pic

  362. Nienna
    05/02/2013 at 4:45 pm

    One hand or two hand – she enjoyed it! HAHA!!!

    • truejustice
      05/02/2013 at 4:47 pm

      Right !

  363. truejustice
    05/02/2013 at 4:50 pm

    omg — I missed the testimony about her taking the shower pics of brewer

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 4:52 pm

      Just heard it the other day …. not quite correctly what Brewer said — did you see JA react tho?

  364. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 4:51 pm

    Whoa! The DB shower pics! Brilliant weaving being done here!!!

  365. Marilyn N
    05/02/2013 at 4:56 pm

    Come on Jodi, you can do it – show us a tear!

  366. Nienna
    05/02/2013 at 4:57 pm

    Sh*t – missed that. Why are we approaching? What did he say?

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 4:58 pm

      Just how cold she is????

    • Nienna
      05/02/2013 at 5:01 pm

      Thank you!!

  367. HJ Madison
    05/02/2013 at 4:57 pm


  368. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/02/2013 at 4:57 pm

    bastard wormi interrupting..

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 4:59 pm

      BS Judge letting him!!!!

  369. 05/02/2013 at 5:00 pm

    Wah Wah Wah Jodi’s Cryin, Wah Wa

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 5:03 pm

      Phony faker bitch!

  370. Marilyn N
    05/02/2013 at 5:01 pm

    WillNUT looking at Juan like “how dare you say that!!!”

  371. 05/02/2013 at 5:02 pm

    So Cry Jodi Cry

    • 05/02/2013 at 5:02 pm

      no tears she ain’t crying

  372. 05/02/2013 at 5:02 pm

    cry baby sally, sittin’ in the alley

  373. Marilyn N
    05/02/2013 at 5:02 pm

    Yes, Jodi, that’s your art work!!

  374. 05/02/2013 at 5:02 pm

    Love that he’s changed his tone while talking about the murder because sarcasm is not appropriate now and it’s hard enough for the family to hear this so being told in a calm manner shows respect to them.

    • 05/02/2013 at 5:15 pm

      Yet another reason why we love and respect him.

  375. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/02/2013 at 5:02 pm

    ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wobo “crying”

  376. 05/02/2013 at 5:04 pm

    hasnt even taken off her grasses yet… when you cry with grasses ou take them off pretty much immediately cos the tears run into them and your eyes blur

    • 05/02/2013 at 5:05 pm

      oh yay finally she has remembered to take off her grasses

    • 05/02/2013 at 5:06 pm

      doesn’t the fog also set in then?

      • 05/02/2013 at 5:07 pm

        yeah.. the fog is setting in again cos she has forgotten crying means tears

    • 05/02/2013 at 5:06 pm

      rasses off

  377. truejustice
    05/02/2013 at 5:05 pm

    it always make’s me upset when ja wont look at what she did. She should have these pictures plastered all over her jail cell – so she is forced to look at them every day of her life. A life that she owes to TA

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 5:06 pm

      Along with the autoposy photos

  378. HJ Madison
    05/02/2013 at 5:05 pm

    Nurmi knows JM has it all correct.

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 5:08 pm

      Agreed!!! Meanwhile, Perky shakes her head and stares at the computer screen jotting excuses.

  379. 05/02/2013 at 5:06 pm

    Probably not a popular view, but I say put her in general population. Then we could see justice time and again.

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 5:08 pm

      Ya think? But she can make so much $$$ there and buy protection.

  380. Marilyn N
    05/02/2013 at 5:06 pm

    She had to take a peek to keep the tears going.

    • Marilyn N
      05/02/2013 at 5:07 pm

      however, I see no tears!!

    • 05/02/2013 at 5:11 pm

      Me neither….not even drops coming falling unchecked from her face….no glistening….like you see with his sisters……YOU SEE their tears…….I’ve never once seen the glean of tears in her eyes or on her face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  381. 05/02/2013 at 5:08 pm

    ohhhhhhhhh the portal of death. that got me good.

  382. Marilyn N
    05/02/2013 at 5:08 pm

    why the hell is she looking????

  383. 05/02/2013 at 5:08 pm

    POWERFUL!!! That trail of blood down the hall….low to the ground…poor guy hunted like an animal….and she didn’t let up…ONCE!!! FN MONSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  384. PK
    05/02/2013 at 5:08 pm

    ” Look at me jury, I’m crying because it hurts me so much to see Travis hurting like that.” Jodi will never stop manipulating until her last breath on the gurney

  385. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 5:09 pm

    Look Perky, look at what you bestie did.

  386. 05/02/2013 at 5:10 pm

    Cant even cry. See ya. I’d like to stay in touch with you people. This trial is speeding to a forgone conclusion.

  387. SeniorMoments
    05/02/2013 at 5:10 pm

    Love that he acknowledged her fake tears and told the jury sympathy doesn’t count!

  388. Kristy
    05/02/2013 at 5:10 pm

    Wow, Jodi’s matching the psych profile with her laughs, tears, and drawing during Juan’s summation.

  389. LindaLou
    05/02/2013 at 5:11 pm

    Is anyone feeling sympathy for her yet? Yeah right!

  390. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 5:11 pm

    JA forgot to add shoulder shrugging with her fake tears.

  391. 05/02/2013 at 5:11 pm

    I hate her most right now.. when she is pretending to cry… bullshite…. she did this deliberately and she is still glad she did it. she is NOT the least bit sorry for it or she would stand up right now and admit it.

  392. 05/02/2013 at 5:11 pm

    oh My God. didn’t even think about him being in front of the mirror and seeing her behind him. gruesome, he suffered tremendously.

  393. 05/02/2013 at 5:12 pm

    Smooth move of Juan to call her out on the Fake Tears earlier.

  394. truejustice
    05/02/2013 at 5:13 pm

    is wilnot confused ??

  395. 05/02/2013 at 5:13 pm

    anyone seen a tear? cos Ive been looking and I have not seen one not one. plus only seen her wipe her nose.. not dab an eye even once. no deep swallows either and ear nose throat are connected… why isn’t she swallowing??

    • ringadingding
      05/02/2013 at 5:16 pm

      Not a drop.

  396. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 5:14 pm

    Eeeww!!!! Perky IS thinking about how to counter the lack of blood!!! She’s calculating her BS!

  397. 05/02/2013 at 5:14 pm

    wildebeest stampede ahahahahaha I love it!! that’s exactly what it looks like!!!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/02/2013 at 5:52 pm

      “One hand, two hands, she enjoyed it as much as he did”

  398. Marilyn N
    05/02/2013 at 5:14 pm

    I swear her fingers have gotten longer!!!

  399. 05/02/2013 at 5:15 pm

    yeah momma proud of the little sociopath now????

  400. 05/02/2013 at 5:17 pm

    is that for sure JM’s bro with the white/blue striped shirt and glasses?

  401. ringadingding
    05/02/2013 at 5:17 pm

    “She’s killed him three times over. Is that enough pre-meditation?” Bravo, Juan! Bring it home.

  402. 05/02/2013 at 5:19 pm

    yeah biatch.. how else did the camera get to the bedroom if it wasn’t attached to you!

  403. commerce1
    05/02/2013 at 5:19 pm

    Now Jodistein is over there crying for herself because she sees herself getting ever closer to that needle. Self-centered bitch.

  404. Marilyn N
    05/02/2013 at 5:20 pm

    MS got the note to dress appropriately….

  405. Lisa M
    05/02/2013 at 5:20 pm

    Oh, Jodi’s crying! Boo hoo!

  406. SeniorMoments
    05/02/2013 at 5:20 pm

    As a mom of an adult daughter, I cannot imagine sitting there with a blank expression while hearing this description of what my daughter did! I would have dissolved long ago, but not Mrs. Arias.

  407. Janie
    05/02/2013 at 5:21 pm

    just watching closing. Juan is walking the jury through the murder. Jodi keeps looking at the pictures, then looking down and crying. Just comparing her reaction to Travis’ family. They can barely look. Jodi keeps looking. Is she trying to make sure viewers see her crying. She cries then carefully arranges her hair out of her face.

  408. 05/02/2013 at 5:21 pm

    oh yeh she wipes her eyes.. to make them red now

  409. 05/02/2013 at 5:23 pm

    This is so riveting. He paints the picture where you are there. I need a glass of wine.

  410. 05/02/2013 at 5:24 pm

    funny how she keeps looking at the pic… surely it’s in her mind.. but no that’s not enough she has to keep looking at her evil deed cos she needs to remind her self of it. psycho!

    • Marilyn N
      05/02/2013 at 5:24 pm

      and, of course, trying to produce tears!

      • 05/02/2013 at 5:28 pm

        ya and even with ALL that.. she can’t conjure one tear.. bpd.. inner emotional turmoil my arse!! She’s a cold blooded psychopath!!!

  411. Lisa M
    05/02/2013 at 5:24 pm

    I just started watching about a half hour ago. Can someone tell me what time Juan started his closing argument, and how he’s been doing so far?

  412. 05/02/2013 at 5:26 pm

    I am sure it has been said before but Juan Martinez is brilliant in his closing!!!! And to see him speak so softly but with so much conviction.

    There will be justice for Travis !!!!!!

  413. truejustice
    05/02/2013 at 5:27 pm

    cbs5az: elizabetherwin Interesting point-Martinez says #JodiArias hands were clean when she loaded the washer. She said her hands were bloody @ Hoover Dam.

    I’m on information overload … didn’t connect that .

  414. 05/02/2013 at 5:27 pm

    Okay her hand has been on her cheek for a while now…..and if she is TRULY crying….then those tears should be running down her hand and arm by now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  415. 05/02/2013 at 5:30 pm

    now she is scratching across her eyes again.. to redden them

  416. 05/02/2013 at 5:30 pm

    Why send an Email and phone calls? She had her fog lamps on.

    • 05/02/2013 at 5:40 pm

      LOL obviously they weren’t bright enough

  417. 05/02/2013 at 5:30 pm

    OMG! She just scratched her BONE DRY eye!!!!!!!!!!! God I hate this bitch!!!!!!!

  418. 05/02/2013 at 5:34 pm

    Is craft time over?

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 5:36 pm

      Teehee. Jinx.

    • 05/02/2013 at 5:36 pm

      oh no.. it’s just a different kind of craft 😛

      • HJ Madison
        05/02/2013 at 5:38 pm

        Ahh yes … the art of BS.

  419. 05/02/2013 at 5:34 pm

    squeezing her eyes now.. trying soo hard to make tears.. and squeezing her fist to.. wow how hard does she have to work to get one tear??? astounding!

  420. HJ Madison
    05/02/2013 at 5:34 pm

    Odd that she has not resumed crafting. Soon maybe ….

    • 05/02/2013 at 5:39 pm

      nah its not odd.. because this is for the jury.. to elicit some sympathy

  421. ringadingding
    05/02/2013 at 5:35 pm

    She will cry real tears, I bet, when Juan wraps this up with a charge to find Murder One. Because those tears will be for her.

  422. 05/02/2013 at 5:35 pm

    she doesnt dab her eyes lost most people she drags her hands across her eyes really quite forcefulland runs them down her cheeks.. why? to make it all red… she knows every trick in the book.. maybe she needs to get up and do a handstand agains the wall.. that will get some redness to her face

    • Lisa M
      05/02/2013 at 5:55 pm

      Her feelings and thought processes are so shallow. There’s no way she’s crying with remorse because we know from her testimony on the stand that she has no remorse and took every chance she could to besmirch Travis. Therefore she’s not sorry for what she did. Yesterday just hours away from the prosecutor’s closing argument she still smirked when Wilmott won a point over the ME. She also mouthed the word “Wow” when Dr. Geffner mentioned something on his CV. If the time of reckoning were closing in on me, I don’t think I’d be focused on the minutia, I’d be sitting there in utter despair and terror. But that’s her mindset it’s all about winning. And when she can’t win, she cries.

  423. 05/02/2013 at 5:37 pm

    look how hard she is pressing her cheek even so you can see it go white… cos she is trying to redden it.

  424. 05/02/2013 at 5:38 pm

    I am still yet to see one tear

  425. Kristy
    05/02/2013 at 5:38 pm

    Juan is astounding with the footprints…. Many people associate footprints in the sand as God carrying you when your in trauma. Great imagery for jurors, and great example for circumstantial evidence.

  426. Elexa
    05/02/2013 at 5:38 pm

    I’m a little behind, Juan is talking about the knife and Perky yawned. Poor thing.

  427. Elexa
    05/02/2013 at 5:40 pm

    Wurmi is going to fall asleep.

  428. HJ Madison
    05/02/2013 at 5:41 pm

    Oh look at that …. she is SO FAKE…. the way she looked up at Wilnot ….. Craft time coming!

  429. 05/02/2013 at 5:41 pm

    I just saw her eye when she looked at perky.. not a hint of red… pure white still

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 5:45 pm

      Syn- what’s JA’s mind doing during this? Is she blanked out? Does she know she’s cooked yet?

      • 05/02/2013 at 5:47 pm

        ya she is basically trying to take her mind off it.. she will be reinforcing all her lies internally.. reassuring herself of her self justifications.. and Juan is just picking on her and doesn’t understand anything

      • 05/02/2013 at 5:48 pm

        but in reality she knows what she is and she is seething…. but she has to try to keep her persona intact with the other stuff

      • Family of Law
        05/02/2013 at 5:58 pm

        Wow! That’s all I can say… So amazing, so frightening. She seems to mumble when Juan hits on a even a small detail she thinks he’s wrong on…

  430. 05/02/2013 at 5:41 pm

    What time is it boys and girls?? It’s Crafts Time!!!!!!!!!!!! Yay! Now get how you crayons ‘cuz today we are going to draw….not cats….not dogs….you guessed it…..members of the JURY!!!!

  431. Kristy
    05/02/2013 at 5:44 pm

    Have you noticed that Nurmi only picked his nose when defense witnesses were on the stand.

  432. 05/02/2013 at 5:44 pm

    I wanna stick those little pencils in her eyes

    • 05/02/2013 at 5:45 pm

      sheesh my cat just typed that

      • Family of Law
        05/02/2013 at 5:59 pm

        Good kitty. 🐱

    • truejustice
      05/02/2013 at 5:47 pm

      You better give your cat a treat !

  433. 05/02/2013 at 5:46 pm

    She’s writing her business plan. Stick dolls, a whole slew of them. First edition will be Flores and JM. Are they called worry dolls or the voodoo dolls, complete with pins fashioned as knives. and for only $5.00 more, you get the 25 mm gun. but wait folks, you get a bottle of red ink if you order in the next 10 minutes. Oh this just in…because of the overwhelming interest, for an extra $1000 you get a camera to document all your actions with what you do to the dolls. A website will be set up for you to upload your very own videos to share. oh shall I stop now?

    • MMD
      05/02/2013 at 5:54 pm

      omg too funny 😀

  434. 05/02/2013 at 5:46 pm

    Is everyone having trouble with azcentral.com keep repeating itself? Is there another live feed without commercials that is not having this problem? Anyone?

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 5:49 pm

      downstairs for you

    • Marilyn N
      05/02/2013 at 5:49 pm

      can you watch on HLN?

    • truejustice
      • HJ Madison
        05/02/2013 at 5:52 pm

        Do you get that car ad every so often?

      • truejustice
        05/02/2013 at 6:03 pm

        I thought it was just my wifi – cause it looses signal every now and then when watching movies etc. But now that you say that, it IS about every 90 minutes or so – so your probably right …. I’m silly.

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 6:02 pm

      That is intolerable today of all days! Ugh! If worse comes to worse, HLN seems to be showing it w/o a gajillion commercials – I have it on in the background, they’re close to the live feed.

  435. Irie Girl
    05/02/2013 at 5:47 pm

    I think defense attorneys have to be in a perpetual state of cognative dissonance. Festinger explained Willmott perfectly.

    • Irie Girl
      05/02/2013 at 5:55 pm

      Oops I posted to soon, if Willmott has to defend a person she finds reprehensible, she has to convince herself the defendant is innocent/justified or she risks neurosis. All the negative public backlash would have made it even more important for her psyche to believe the position she is arguing. Nurmi tried to get off the case so he can argue it without the inner conflict, he can reconcile it as an absence of choice.
      I actually feel a tiny bit of compassion for these two. I hope they see the light and become prosecucters.

  436. HJ Madison
    05/02/2013 at 5:48 pm

    kpho cbs5…. but they cut away to a 15 second car ad every 90 minutes or so

  437. Family of Law
    05/02/2013 at 5:48 pm

    Watching the differences between Perky’s and Wurmi’s reactions is ALMOST, as interesting as watching JA try to spill one tear.

    • Kristy
      05/02/2013 at 5:58 pm

      You keep watching and thinking can you squeeze a single tear like in the last Pirates of the Caribean, and then say nope. not one tear for someone you claimed to love.

  438. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/02/2013 at 5:49 pm

    Well another masterfull and sad walk through of the narrative

  439. NancyB
    05/02/2013 at 5:50 pm

    Syntara :
    so are there pics of her straddling him?? were they not released publically?? These we haven’t seen.. well I haven’t has anyone?

    Yes, there are many more pics of the sex that Det Flores refers to in the interrogation vids but told her I wasn’t going to show her those.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/02/2013 at 5:55 pm

      I think this is uncertain. Flores seemed to suggest they had sex because of the pics but many of us dont think they did. I think the “straddling” was like the “rope” and the tie-up. Don’t think it happened.

  440. HJ Madison
    05/02/2013 at 5:50 pm

    Nurmi has been doing the objecting so he should be the one to give the close — unless the judge lets them split their time.

  441. SeniorMoments
    05/02/2013 at 5:53 pm

    I wish he had taken a different tack with ALV. Instead of painting her as just a liar, paint her as someone who was completely taken in by Jodi’s manipulation to the extent that she lost her professionslism and testified based on Jodi’s lies, making her own testimony into lies.

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 5:55 pm

      He may still … you make a good point.

  442. Kristy
    05/02/2013 at 5:55 pm

    Does Jodi Arias understand that Chicago was a fictional movie? She is no Roxie Hart. There won’t be an onstage finale.

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 5:58 pm

      What do you mean? She is having one hell of a grand finale! And what an oscar winning performance!

      • HJ Madison
        05/02/2013 at 5:59 pm

        Snarky joke BTW!

  443. 05/02/2013 at 5:55 pm

    FOL.. to better answer your question… now I have a bit of time… it’s like her diaries.. you know how they are a projection of her persona… a kind of reinforcement of what she wishes she was….

    this is like that.. she has to do the deep breathing to soothe herself, reassure herself… she’s not really that bad person…. she’s not really that evil witch… juan is just being mean to her ..

    all the while her real evil self is there laughing at him still thinking it will win no matter what he does.

    That same game.. deny her true nature and pretend she is an innocent victim

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 6:07 pm

      That’s her internal dialogue? Omg! It makes me want her vaporized!!! Truly, I just want her to KNOW, really KNOW, the jig is up! I want her to KNOW that she LOST.

      • 05/02/2013 at 6:10 pm

        me too.. I am internally preparing myself for the worst because if I don’t .. I’m not sure how I would handle it.

        She’s probably doing the same.. for exactly the opposite reasons and result.

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 6:12 pm

      Thanks for taking the time to explain Syn- SO glad your here!!!!! (Otherwise I’d be stuck with laymen opinions of “bat shit crazy, effed up, ice cold evil bitch”!

      • 05/02/2013 at 6:14 pm

        as long s you know the real explanations.. they work too! Just important to also know what these ppl really are and what they are capable of.

  444. NapaNonnie
    05/02/2013 at 5:55 pm

    Alice LaToilette is a liar. Right on Juan. I can’t imagine being an expert witness who is called a liar in open court. Juan rocks!

  445. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 5:57 pm

    OMG Juan is absolutely juanderful!!!!!! He is so beyond brilliant!!!! He is so calm and quiet now, kinda reverent about Travis. And I love that he said that she killed him 3 times over. No wonder he wins so many cases!!!!! I’m in complete awe…………………….

  446. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/02/2013 at 5:58 pm

    I was mesmerized when Juan was talking about the actual deed. I would imagine the court was very silent at this time. He brought Travis alive so that we could feel his dying.

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 6:00 pm

      And then Nurmi objected!

    • 05/02/2013 at 6:04 pm

      yeah me too I had to stop for a while to just get into what he was saying.. pretty much how we had it. He just kept it a bit simpler

  447. Elexa