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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – Day Fifty-Six


What a long, long day we had yesterday.  I can’t tell you how many times I asked, ‘what’s the point to all this?’ when Willmott was up! Then I was thinking I was having hearing issues or lost my comprehension skills!

We’ve come a long way on this journey and we are down to juror instructions and the closings.  Hopefully, the jury got some decent rest last night and is on top of their game this morning.  Pretty sure the jury will have the case first thing Monday, when they are fresh!

Oh, and I fully expect Nurmi will call for a mistrial, again!

Letting ya know now, I won’t be transcribing the jury instructions…long, tedious…no way, no how is it possible, but it does have to be put on record!  The biggie will be if manslaughter included!

Court open for business, late, at 10:11.

Stephens starts off by reading the instructions to the jury.

Count 1…first degree…intentional and premeditated.

Includes 2nd degree…intentional or caused death knowing life would be lost.  2nd degree does not require premeditation.

Unanimous jury decision for both.

They got manslaughter included and that is not really surprising!  This is what the defense was going for – self-defense theory was bogus from the get-go.

OMG!  Jodi was just yawning!

As much as I hate jury instructions, these are fairly well written, understandable.

Juan up…

Jodi stabbed him over-and-over again, slashed his throat, and shot him; she will not let Mr. Alexander rest in peace.  She has lied repeatedly and craves the limelight. She has gone to the media, wrote a manifesto in case she became famous.

She is manipulative.

Mr. Alexander even said she is destructive.

She attacked her mother.

She continues to lie about the gas cans.  She bought one, but returned one for cash.  You heard that Wal-Mart checked every register and there was no return.

Screen shot 2013-05-02 at 2.14.39 PMShe has tried to manipulate all of you!

Her manipulation goes back to Bobby Juarez.  She found out that Bobby was sending letters to another woman.  But, it wasn’t her fault the computers in the library didn’t have security enough to stop someone to hit the backspace button.

Then the same thing happened with Mr. Alexander’s computer.

The she went with Matt McCartney.  The same thing happens.

Then we see Darryl Brewer, he didn’t want to marry her, so she leaves him.

It’s a pattern, but none of this was her fault!

Love Juan does all this off the top of his head…no notes!

The Feb email never says thanks for the unholy underwear because they never were sent.  She lied.  She can’t prove it because she claims she destroyed them.

She read his text messages on his, but that wasn’t her fault!

Whoa, Juan just mentioned her “fake” tears on the stand!

Jodi has kept her head down doing her arts and crafts!

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They broke up and what does she do?  She moves to Mesa and starts her stalking.

She was peeping in his windows at night.  Saw him kissing another woman.  So what?  He had every right to be seeing another woman.  He had moved on, they weren’t together anymore!

The physical violence?  Never happened.  There are not reports to police, no medical treatment, and no witnesses.  Nobody saw bruises.

The family is seething!

Juan effectively just trashed Alyce LaViolette testiphony again!

Turns out, Jodi told Dr. Karp in the beginning there were many, many incidents of domestic violence…on the stand, it became there were only 4 ‘supposed’ incidents.  She can’t remember whom she said what to!

Juan gets in that sex tape was for Jodi’s benefit.  Travis had no idea it would ever be made public.  Yet, Jodi saved it all that time.

Travis told people he was extremely afraid of Jodi and her stalking behavior on May 26th.

Juan shows Travis’ message to her that says, ‘ you are the worst thing that ever happened to me.”

The girls are struggling really hard to choke back tears.Screen shot 2013-05-02 at 1.50.50 PM

May 28 she started the planning for killing Travis.  She stole her grandfather’s .25 gun.  In California, they take your name and there is a waiting period…easier to steal one.

The burglars went into to 4 rooms and only took one item from each room!

She didn’t want to be linked to AZ in anyway with her credit card, so she called Darryl Brewer to borrow gas cans and told him she was going to Mesa!

She rented a car for the trip…90 miles from home in Yreka so people wouldn’t recognize her!

Juan is so nailing premeditation…what a pro!

Jodi brought cd’s of their trips together from Yreka, loaded them into the rental, which gave her a reason to stop in at Travis’!  She thought far enough ahead about that as well as the check she left on Travis’ desk!  There is no proof that Mr. Alexander knew Jodi was coming!

Nurmi has made 2 bogus objections about Juan misstating evidence…ahhh, no he didn’t, big liar!

Juan’s sarcasm has been spot on!

Lunch recess called…

Court resumes at 1:35 with the ever-popular sidebar…

Juan is going through all of Jodi’s stories about why the cell phone was off while she was in AZ.  She did that so the police will never be able to find out.

She showed up at Mr. Alexander’s with a gun and a knife.

Whenever she got caught she says, ‘oh no, I was lying then’.  That is her fallback position.

She says she walked into Travis’ house and stood there and watched him for 30-35 seconds.  Who does that?  Isn’t that stalker?

She told Travis she was tired so the went to sleep without having sex.

She told Dr. Samuels the sex photo were taken while she was straddling Travis and she had seen all these photos of women’s breast on his computer.  Why would she do that?  To manipulate you again.

If Travis’ sexual behavior is bad because he was a Mormon, then hers was also because she was a Mormon also.  So, stop pointing or wagging the finger at him, she was there and participating willingly.

She claims Travis asked her to take photos of him in the shower because he had toned his body and was proud of it.  But, if you remember Darryl Brewer said she took photos of him in the shower one time.  He didn’t want her to.  So she was comfortable with this behavior.

Now into there was no rope in the bedroom…she made it up in order to explain the knife being there.

Shows Travis’ photo sitting in the shower, nude, defenseless and with no dignity!

She told you she shot him first.  But, look at the lies she told the experts, the police and told here.  Why would you choose to believe this one lie?

We know Mr. Alexander has defensive wounds on both hand, trying to grab the knife.  But, then she stabs him in the heart.

You knew he moved to the sink with blood pouring out of his mouth and nose.  Juan shows the photo of blood all over the sink area.

While he’s standing there, she is stabbing him in the back and the back of the head.  Juan puts up the photo.

Screen shot 2013-05-02 at 5.03.54 PMWhile fake crying, Jodi keeps sneaking looks at the computer at the photos.

Now photos of the hallway with blood transfer on the walls as he is stumbling down the hall trying to get away from her.  She chased him down.

He’s got the wound to his chest, his back, his head, but he’s still alive with life leaking out of him,

Juan shows the photo of Travis’ blood at the end of the hallway where she slit his throat.

It was a very well orchestrated kill.  If it was in the heat of passion it would have been random and all over.

She shot him after the heart wasn’t beating, he was dead.

She killed him 3 times over!

Men and woman alike sitting with the family are weeping!

Then she cleans up and deleted photographs, but only some of the images…only the ones that could hurt her!

There in no fog…her actions were deliberate, she was thinking!

The camera in the washing machine is significant because there were no bloody footprints down the stairs.

She washed Travis’ body to wipe away any of her DNA.

She staged the scene.

She did other things.

She remembered to put the license plate on the car.

She packed up her bloody clothing.

Grabbed her stuff and purse.

She filled the car with the gas ca.  If you’re in a fog, how could you do that?

Why did she leave a message on Travis’ phone after she killed him?  To manipulate you.

She continues and calls Ryan Burns saying she found her cell charger and continues to his hose in Utah.

Then she tells Leslie Udy, her kids and Travis’s kids will play together in the future.  Again, staging the scene.

Now she came into court and staged her defense by lying to you!

Juan is debunking the defense and their experts.  Points out AVL came into court and lied to them, omg!

Dr. Samuels lied about the scoring and rescoring the tests.  He gave the PDS test and there is no doubt the defendant lied.  How valid can his results be?  He admitted he probably should have re-administered it

Juan has been masterful!

15-minute break called…

Court back at 3:04.

The defendant’s lies to the police officers are important because they fit into her particular plan.

She was asked if she was there?  No, I wasn’t even there.

Well, wasn’t your fingerprint in the blood?  Of course, I was always there.  Shows how she can manipulate things to her story.

She kept asking to see the crime scene photos she could conform her story to the scene.

The she changed to the ninja story, making herself the hero!

Years go by and now we have the current story.

She lied to police, medical professionals, and the media.  All for her benefit to make her look good.

All her stories of acts of domestic violence are lies!

Then she made up the story about Travis being a pedophile.  How absolutely hateful!

There were no photos found on the computer or in the house.

Why didn’t she go to the police?  Because she took this story too far.

These lies, take from Mr. Alexander, what little he has left, his reputation!

The pedophilia allegation, it doesn’t get any higher or worse, however you want to look at it.

When it is to her benefit, she will lie!

Juan addressing jury instructions and what each instruction means …hammering home how simple it is for them to come to a guilty verdict because of Jodi’s lies and actions!  He has broken it down to simple terms and definitions.

The defendant is asking you to help her carry the gas cans.   Don’t leave the courtroom with the stench of gas on your hands.  Do not carry them for her!

Powerful, powerful presentation!

 Arias, Willmott and Nurmi look defeated!

6:51, court called for the day, to begin again at 9am

 Poster Nicole said it best today…

Juan Martinez is a “Warrior Angel” for Travis. Reining down the hammer of justice for Travis and his family. Delivering us all from the evil that is Jodi Arias

  1. MMD
    05/02/2013 at 7:07 pm

    All I can say is thank you donchais. {{{{{hugs}}}}}

    Juanderful brought it home, put Travis in the courtroom and gave him back his reputation. Pretty speechless – will be back later. Have to think.

    • Anonymous
      05/02/2013 at 8:58 pm

      Yes Juan the Shredder was fantastic. The DT looked totally defeated. What could Nurmi do to counter what Juan did today??? I sure we’ll be hearing about the sex calls and that email where Travis calls her names – which all fits Jodi. It will be boring and frustrating. God bless Juanderful!!! He has been Travis voice from the grave. Today, Travis testified thru Juan, he was in the court today.

    • C.I.
      05/02/2013 at 11:04 pm

      thanks from me too donchais – oo proud of Juan – MMD the tlc you gave him last night really worked.

    • Anonymous
      05/03/2013 at 10:02 am

      MMD, haven’t heard from you since since post immediately after closing from Juanderful. I always come to this site, but do not comment often. I’ve going comfort in reading your comments along with so many others on this site who have been following for some time. I am emotionally drained! I suspect you and all the fellow bloggers on this site are too!
      Truly Donochois had been amazing with the incredible recaps of the trial. Don’t know how she’s able to write one single word in that courtroom. Thank you all for providing a place of comfort to me and I’m sure many others.

  2. 05/02/2013 at 7:10 pm

    I don’t feel sorry for Jodi’s grandma whatsoever. She spawned two despicable daughters, and her granddaughter is a stone cold killer.

    • 05/02/2013 at 7:16 pm

      I just think they are using her for sympathy.. she is in a wheelchair and all. It goes to show how disgusting the family is that they have no consideration for an old lady. The DT probably told them to wheel her in for Jodisteins sake… I don’t see why she should have had to sit through the horror of what Jodistein did.. I think it is totally unnecessary.

      but they did it.. and she got to see how proud of her grand-daughter she shouldn’t be. No hiding from it now she has heard and seen it all.

      • Kristy
        05/02/2013 at 7:24 pm

        No telling if she really needs the wheelchair. I know that’s cynical on my part, but her grandma in a wheelchair has no bearing on what Jodi did to Travis.

      • C.I.
        05/02/2013 at 11:06 pm

        Agreed Syn.

    • Moon
      05/02/2013 at 7:25 pm

      totally agree

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 7:45 pm

      Hey Bub…. there are families with relatives who have done unbelievable and horrific things. And sometimes, try as you might, these relatives are totally unreachable! The Arias “clan” did not need to roll poor grandmother in there …. it was all for show and I bet there is a bit of that Grandma that wants desperately to believe WOBO. I feel for her.

  3. 05/02/2013 at 7:11 pm

    Juan addressing jury instructions and what each instruction means …hammering home how simple it is for them to come to a guilty verdict because of Jodi’s lies and actions! He has broken it down to simple terms and definitions.

    The defendant is asking you to help her carry the gas cans for her. Don’t leave the courtroom with the stench of gas on your hands. Do not carry them for her!

    Powerful, powerful presentation!

    I thought this was the best part..because he showed them how to break it all down in a very no nonsense manner. Hard to argue with his reasoning on any of them.

    Think it’s going to be a starkly opposite of the clouded murk they will get from the defense.

    • Marilyn N
      05/02/2013 at 7:21 pm

      What do you think we’re going to hear tomorrow?
      He stomped on her finger and stuck “it” in her rear?

      • 05/02/2013 at 7:28 pm

        hahahahaha who knows.. I’ve said before.. this defense team thinks so alien to me I can’t see where they are going.. I actually don’t even think they do!!!

        It will be all about poor victimised Jodistein and it is going to be very hard to listen to them rip Travis’ reputation to bits again. The good thing is.. the more they do that the more they are likely to alienate the jury. So as hard as it might be to listen to, perhaps it will have a silver lining.

        Lets hope so!!

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        05/02/2013 at 10:38 pm

        Whatever JA tells them she wants them to say!

      • C.I.
        05/02/2013 at 11:12 pm

        Marilyn – I am expecting more vile sex words because Recliner guy and Wingnut get off on that. He should throw his hands up now and go back to reclining and snoozing because there is nothing that he can say that justified what she did to Travis..I will be spared the slow poke talking tomorrow – so I will be relying on you all – You all have my sympathies – take your meds.

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 8:13 pm

      Perfect, just perfect. Juan did a masterful job of telling the true story, stated each important piece of evidence, explained the jury instructions with tremendous clarity…. So artful…

  4. Moon
    05/02/2013 at 7:12 pm

    Once again,great recap, Donchais. Thank you so much

  5. Moon
    05/02/2013 at 7:13 pm

    The Ho did commit burglary that day. She STOLE Travis Alexander’s LIFE.

    • NapaNonnie
      05/02/2013 at 7:26 pm

      Can’t say it any better.

    • Francine
      05/02/2013 at 7:37 pm

      If she stole the gun that she claimed Travis had then that is Murder one felony if she stole the gun from grandpa and used it during the killing of Travis that is a murder one felony. ummm did the def team forget about that? so glad he brought that up

      • HJ Madison
        05/02/2013 at 7:52 pm

        Not quite …. if she stole the gun from Grandpa, then she did so to take with her to AZ and kill TA, premeditation. If she used TA’s gun and stole it, felony. Either way …. 1st degree.

      • C.I.
        05/02/2013 at 11:14 pm

        On the day of the murder is that when she stole the ring?

  6. Cannondax
    05/02/2013 at 7:14 pm

    Masterful job. Pulling her knocking and screaming out of her dark, depraved version of life into the light of truth will finally put her where she belongs, on a gurney with a needle in her arm. Bravo!

    Donchais, toll now I haven’t had the pleasure. Thanks for all you do’

    • Cannondax
      05/02/2013 at 7:15 pm

      Oops till now. !

      • Cannondax
        05/02/2013 at 7:21 pm

        Man, I really need to proof read before hitting “post comment”. “kicking and screaming”

        Heading to the corner with my dunce cap in hand!

    • donchais
      05/02/2013 at 7:19 pm

      Welcome to CFJ!

      • Cannondax
        05/02/2013 at 8:30 pm

        There hasn’t been a day in several weeks that I haven’t checked in. I really appreciate your succinct review of the day. A true labor of love for Travis and his family.

  7. Gracerv7
    05/02/2013 at 7:14 pm

    Grandma pulled my heart strings just a little. She looked so sad and horrified. Doesn’t change my views at all but I did feel a little sorry for her.

    • ringadingding
      05/02/2013 at 8:59 pm

      She looks sickened. She knows what Juan is saying is the truth. I wonder if she ever felt in danger of her life with Jodi under the same roof?

  8. 05/02/2013 at 7:14 pm

    Thank you donchais!!!!!!!!!

  9. 05/02/2013 at 7:16 pm

    Now the loser Arias family will have a killer to hide at family reunions.

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 7:47 pm

      Bubble …. is your family perfect? You are just so mean!!!

    • janeto
      05/02/2013 at 9:09 pm

      Agreed bubble. Sorry if others think u r so mean. This “person” has had ALL of us saying & feeling things we have never felt before. It’s called “venting” 4 months of frustration of this horrible defendant & DT who stoops low enough to ruin ALL TRUE victims of PTSD, Domestic Violence sufferers chances of fighting for true justice! Leave bubble alone please, as he has every right to voice his TRUE PTSD right!

    • NancyB
      05/02/2013 at 9:55 pm

      Bubble – I loved your comment on goose – well done! It had me giggling. Is your facebook pic of you in a suit?

      • 05/02/2013 at 11:25 pm

        A suit of Bubbles, or me pretending to wear a tie?

  10. Laine
    05/02/2013 at 7:16 pm

    Thanks donchais your summary is superb…the end is in sight at last. Juan was masterful today he brought everything home tied in a neat bow. I’m honestly not sure if I can sit through Nurmi tomorrow and listen to the lies and the attempts to destroy Travis again. I stayed to the end yesterday which was 4:30am in the UK. It was worth it to see Juan destroy yet another witness. But I may take a break tomorrow and wait for your summary. Perhaps enjoy some much needed sleep! Thanks again 🙂

    • Gwen
      05/02/2013 at 7:41 pm

      I will peek at Wurmi’s nonsense, but won’t be focused as I was today. Juan was precise,easy to understand and put her actions all together in a neat little package. If this jury doesn’t come back with a guilty verdict
      ( in five minutes,haha), then there is something very wrong with our justice system!!! Watching this witch shake her head “no”…irked me so much. Hope the jury caught a view of her. Right to the end…she ‘s not wrong. Seeing what SHE did to this man, who seemed to be loved by all…I was hoping she’d snap and beg for fogiiveness!!!!!! Not from this sicko!!!!!!!

      Couldn’t wait for today to come, now have to struggle through till next week for closure.

      So proud of JUAN…excellent, excellent!!!!!!!!!!!! God Bless him and Travis’ family. May their prayers be answered!!!

      • Lisa M
        05/02/2013 at 8:50 pm

        Hear, hear, Gwen!

  11. Carmen
    05/02/2013 at 7:19 pm

    Watching the trial all these months with testimony from all the different witnesses did not give me the picture that Juan Martinez gave today. Lots of lies were told on the stand, there were too many objections, approaches and talk about sex and Hoho being the victim and Travis being the bad guy. This isn’t a crime about sex or rape. It’s 1st degree premeditaed murder. Juan tied it together. He was succinct, believable, passionate and respectful. Jodi is a monster and in my opinion, deserves the death sentence. I hope and pray that this jury will see that she doesn’t deserve to live and if released, jodi will more than likely kill again. God bless Juan and the Alexander family. My heart goes out to all of them.

    • Lisa M
      05/02/2013 at 8:52 pm

      Yes, Carmen, I agree. He added something to the whole picture. He didn’t just rehash everything and he wasn’t afraid to call a spade a spade: Jodi is a liar. And he said it again and again. He even called LaViolette a liar– hope he didn’t go too far with that one!– but he just laid it out there. Gotta respect that.

      • Anonymous
        05/02/2013 at 11:40 pm

        He didn’t go too far calling LaViolette a liar. She was caught red handed lying about her experience testifying on behalf of men. She lied thinking she wouldn’t get caught and she was called out on it. I’m sure the jury didn’t appreciate that.

  12. Moon
    05/02/2013 at 7:20 pm

    My feed was jumping again today, so I missed the bit about jury carrying gas cans. I plan on rewatching anyway so hopefully will catch that then!

    Juan is just AMAZING! wowza

    I loved Robert’s recap and hilights. Juan even had the evil one laughing when he mentioned her squeeling like a cat.

    Hodi scared me several times today, when she would stare at Juan. You could SEE her wanting to kill him over and over.
    She sickened me like never before with her fake tears, her obsession to keep looking at the horrible pics of TA, her smugness, her chatting with walking idiot (who, btw, looked horrible today the bags under her eyes… ) the furious note taking … everything about her is just pure evilness and hate.

    Light of Truth……… how powerful was that?? Thank you Juan. You are the best and Travis and his family are Blessed to have you fight this battle for them. Thank you thank you thank you

    • janeto
      05/02/2013 at 9:24 pm

      Well said moon! Took the word out of my mouth! 🙂

  13. Lisa M
    05/02/2013 at 7:21 pm

    Donchais: “The camera in the washing machine is significant because there were no bloody footprints down the stairs.”
    Wow, I didn’t know that! And ok, he did mention the phone calls to Travis’ phone after the murder, that’s good. He forgot to mention the holster– thought he would when he was mentioning how she doesn’t know when to stop with her lies and adds details, but he did it all without notes! Bravo!

  14. 05/02/2013 at 7:21 pm

    Crazy ole aunt Jodi.

  15. 05/02/2013 at 7:25 pm

    7:30am here… time for zzzzzzz’s Tomorrow is going to be a nightmare.. unlike today which flew by because listening and watching ObiJuan is just spiritual!

    Justice4Travis…. may whatever was looking out for you that day, enabling us to see what occured.. be looking out for you in the deliberation room also. Travis.. no matter what, you won. You outed her. You live in the hearts of people who never met you, scattered throughout the globe. You have touched more hearts and minds than you ever dreamed possible. Again – Justice 4 You and your family.

    See you all tomorrow. Take care. 😀 ***waves***

    • Family of Law
      05/02/2013 at 8:17 pm

      G’night Syn….get some well deserved (peaceful) rest.

    • Kathy A.
      05/02/2013 at 9:48 pm

      Beautifully said.

    • 05/02/2013 at 11:09 pm

      I particularly like the flushing down the drain of LaToilette who made a HUGE mistake trying to ena-mize The Juan from the stand – all she had to do was answer the question – yes or no. She’s done – unplug the toaster. And it was gratifying to see both Willnot and Kermi looking dejected because their case in chief is well, finished. It went the same way of LaT. And well deserved with all the Travis bashing they perpetrated. Good on ya, Juan! You spoke FOR Travis today, and we all heard you loud and clear. This 13th juror votes for LWOP.

    • C.I.
      05/02/2013 at 11:21 pm

      My sentiments exactly Syn.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      05/02/2013 at 11:46 pm

      Hear! Hear!

    • Anonymous
      05/03/2013 at 7:43 am

      Well said And so true!!! Travis did win!! He has touched the hearts of so many people. He’s in peace, Jodi will suffer for eternity. Travis spirit is looming in that courtroom; tugging at the heart of justice. It’s almost over, perfect peace awaits him.

  16. Moon
    05/02/2013 at 7:26 pm

    enjoy your zzzzzzs!!! ****waving*****

  17. 05/02/2013 at 7:27 pm

    Uh oh, here comes defense rebuttal:

    Anal oral vaginal, vulval orgasmic, facial, little boy, anal, KY, anal, fat loads, repeat

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 7:49 pm

      I got to get in here … if for no other reason than to put space between Bubble’s fixation on dirty words and Kristy’s sweet wish!

      • 05/02/2013 at 10:53 pm

        Funny, HLN has dueling mock juries, Now its media grab for stature once the trial is over. “Only we brought it it to you first.”

        Lets not be the protector of objectionable words for everyone else.The terrible words I posted previously are all words that have been exploited by Jodi and her defense team, Are we not adults? That is her defense, isnt it?

        Yeah she butchered her ex boy friend, but did you know @#1&65%> ?

        What happened Detective A? What I know isn’t pretty but I cant say what happened Detective B because Jane Doe from Idaho objects to facts of a case.

      • HJ Madison
        05/03/2013 at 12:50 am

        Bubble dear … You are absolutely right! They are WOBO’s words. When I first ran across this post it was immediately followed by Kristin’s “footprints in the sand …”. Vulva, KY, anal, etc.. just seemed a bit jarring as one read down the posts so I inserted a reply for a physical break … thats all. Sorry if I offended.

    • 05/03/2013 at 2:14 am

      Bubble- I agree…the defense closing is going to be a day with a treasure trove of dirty words! I bet tonight instead of counting sheep Wormi is counting tubes of KY! Lol. Bring the soap.

  18. Kristy
    05/02/2013 at 7:28 pm

    I thought his presentation of evidence that is direct vs circumstantial on the beach was Magnificiat. Many people who have lost loved ones can relate to the “footprints” on the sand as God carrying them, when there’s only one set of footprints. Powerful in my opinion.

  19. Carmen
    05/02/2013 at 7:47 pm

    I’m so glad that Juan was able to state that during the police interrogation (or interview) jodi asked several times if she could look at Travis’ death photos, but while on the witness stand she was pretending to cry and turning her face when the pictures were shown to her. Those tears were for the jurors eyes and Juan let them know it. Question: was that tape ever shown in court?

    • Lisa M
      05/02/2013 at 8:09 pm

      I agree, Carmen! That was a brilliant stroke. Jodi asking to see the photos was also the opposite of what someone with PTSD would do too of course, as DeMarte mentioned, but I think Juan was trying to not get too bogged down in extraneous facts– there’s so many of them– that he left the PTSD out of it and just brought up the contradiction between her behavior in the interrogation room and on the jury stand. I think he should have also mentioned that she explained her desire to see the photos to the detective as “morbid curiosity” just to add to the creepiness factor, but he didn’t.

  20. kristin
    05/02/2013 at 7:55 pm

    Thank you Donchais! You hit all the notes pitch perfect! So the duhfence goes tomorrow? Will the jury get the case tomorrow or Monday? Juan was riveting. He forced everyone to see exactly who WOBO is and what she did. If I wasn’t invested in this case and all I heard was Juan’s closing argument, I would absolutely be convinced she deserved the dp.

    • Moon
      05/02/2013 at 8:00 pm

      If this case is like others I’ve watched, Juan will have the last word. He has the burden of proof. Typically closing is Pros, Df, Pros. or is it dif in AZ??

      • Lisa M
        05/02/2013 at 8:59 pm

        From what I’ve heard, Moon, it’s Pros, Df, Pros in Arizona also. Juan will get to speak after the defense finishes its closing arguments.

      • Kathy A.
        05/02/2013 at 9:02 pm

        That is how is works here (AZ). Prosecution will get the last word.

      • Janna
        05/03/2013 at 2:53 am

        I’m speculating/guessing/wishing/hoping that Mr. Juanderful has more “bombshells” for his second closing. I was waiting for mention about the coded messages inside those magazines today. Does anyone think Juan will reference this in Part 2 of his closing.

  21. donchais
    05/02/2013 at 7:56 pm

    Folks, we are too close to justice for Travis and his family. Can we please understand everyone has an opinion on things…maybe not an opinion you share. Scroll by those you don’t like and do not attack each other.

    There are/were a lot of things I could have jumped on, but didn’t.

    The past two days have shown me nerves are frayed and it saddens me to see you taking it out on each other …begging we, as adults, act like adults!

    • janeto
      05/02/2013 at 9:38 pm

      Sorry donchais. (my head down going to my time out space) I didn’t mean to strike out. My apologies. I will behave. Don’t mean to add to your stress mom! All good!!

      • donchais
        05/02/2013 at 10:39 pm

        Not you toots!

  22. kristin
    05/02/2013 at 8:00 pm

    I am curious to know everyone’s predictions as to what she will be convicted on, time jury out and will dp be imposed. Thanks:)

    • Lisa M
      05/02/2013 at 8:48 pm

      I’m hopeful for first degree but I’m not going to predict the outcome because I’m very superstitious and I don’t want to jinx it!

    • ringadingding
      05/02/2013 at 9:13 pm

      Unless there’s someone on the jury who refuses to look at facts, I feel there will be a Murder 1 (premeditation and felony). Depending on how the DT does with mitigation, I’m going to predict DP. The ruthless manner in which she murdered Travis and attempted to destroy his reputation after death, along with no sign of remorse or accountability, will put her Law of Attraction to the test. The callousness with which she dispatched TA’s life will not be unanswered. I think it will take the jury at least half a day to go through the charges and paperwork. If they are out more than two days, I will be worried that there’s a holdout.

  23. Lisa M
    05/02/2013 at 8:03 pm

    I was just thinking, in a way, we’ve already won because we’ve gotten this far without a mistrial. Keeping fingers crossed it doesn’t happen before the jury starts deliberating, and that there’s not a hung jury. I also had this thought this morning that Jodi’s DT might try to get her a plea at the last minute of LWOP but I guess that’s probably unlikely.

    • donchais
      05/02/2013 at 8:05 pm

      A plea can only happen if the State (Juan’s boss) offers one…there isn’t one!!!

      • Lisa M
        05/02/2013 at 8:09 pm

        Ah! Yeah, I kind of thought I might be reaching on that one.

      • Kathy A.
        05/02/2013 at 9:04 pm

        And didn’t Jodi try to offer a plea deal to get the State to take the death penalty off the table and Juan wouldn’t do it?

      • donchais
        05/02/2013 at 9:11 pm

        Yuppers! No response at all!

  24. dpforjodi
    05/02/2013 at 8:04 pm

    premeditated murder .

  25. dpforjodi
    05/02/2013 at 8:08 pm

    Thanks donchais for this Juanderful playground. I have been well behaved haven’t I?

    • donchais
      05/02/2013 at 8:11 pm


    • meljodcat
      05/02/2013 at 8:19 pm

      Is The Defense Supposed To Take As Much Time As The Prosecution? I Mean Will He Go All Day And Then Martinez Gets Back Up Or Martinez Doesnt Get To Go Until The Following Day?

  26. dpforjodi
    05/02/2013 at 8:11 pm

    Looks like I am all alone in the playground, everyone has gone home ahhhhhhh sad face

    • kristin
      05/02/2013 at 9:05 pm

      Nah its only 3pm so I’m still here lol

    • 05/02/2013 at 11:18 pm

      I just wanted to add that I am intending the jury makes their decision in a timely manner and that the sentencing hearing is on June 4… that would be fine justice for Travis!

  27. Lisa M
    05/02/2013 at 8:12 pm

    I know I misbehaved once or twice, but that’s one reason why I gave myself a five-day timeout. I think the stress of the trial has probably gotten to all of us. I think all of the negative emotions that this defense has forced on us– so much for the Law of Attraction!– has probably come out towards each other here and there. But for the most part I think people have been respectful towards each other. ‘Course I don’t see all the stuff Donchais sees! Ie, trolls, etc.

  28. dpforjodi
    05/02/2013 at 8:15 pm

    even hodi has friends

  29. Dewey
    05/02/2013 at 8:18 pm

    In typical Nurmi fashion, being classless and unprofessional, he had to laugh out loud when Juan said Travis was naked and would not have run outside after Jodi. His courtroom behavior is disgusting.

    • Marilyn N
      05/02/2013 at 8:27 pm

      Possibly he’s under sooooo much stress, he is not in control of his actions!(?)
      The Jodistein is rubbing off on him! 😉

    • Lisa M
      05/02/2013 at 8:36 pm

      I saw that, Dewey! He apparently buys into this idea (which he probably created himself) that Travis was this big, hulking guy (hmm, who does that really sound like?) who body-slammed Jodi (because he was into MMA– ooh!) and just because he was naked, well, that wouldn’t have stopped such a monster from chasing her out of the house and doing God knows what to her. Oh, wait, except that he WAS stopped by the 29 stab wounds and near decapitation that Jodi inflicted on him.

    • Moon
      05/02/2013 at 9:17 pm

      he is such a PIG. (no offense to the animal)

      • Gwen
        05/02/2013 at 9:39 pm

        Haha…good one moon…..a pig has so much more to offer than Wurmi!!!!!! How about slug????

  30. dpforjodi
    05/02/2013 at 8:18 pm

    I was watching HLN and the camera went to the Alexander family leaving the area down the street from the courthouse. All beside one another. It was so sad.

    • Kathy A.
      05/02/2013 at 9:13 pm

      I so feel for them. Just the other day I was watching then when the camera flashed on them, and I was thinking about how they haven’t even had a chance to fully grieve for Travis. They are grieving, certainly, but also have been tied up with police, the media, focusing on the trial and once it’s all over they will be relieved, certainly, but with the quiet the terrible finality will settle in. My heart just goes out to them, they’ve endured so much.

  31. dpforjodi
    05/02/2013 at 8:20 pm

    hi Dewey He a low life. He defends child molesters. I know somebody has got to do it.

    • Dewey
      05/02/2013 at 8:24 pm

      That explains a lot about him.

  32. Lisa M
    05/02/2013 at 8:20 pm

    Just how obnoxious will Nurmi be tomorrow? Ugh, I will most likely not watch it, but will be on the lookout for Juan’s rebuttal. I think after Juan’s eloquence today, and his pointing out what the defense has been doing to Travis’ reputation, it will be a little bit harder for Nurmi to get away with slandering Travis as badly as he has in the past. He’ll still do it, of course, but he might try to soften it a little and do what Wilmott did when she said Travis wasn’t all bad (so generous of her!) and he’ll focus more on what Jodi was supposedly feeling. If he gets up there and slams Travis again, with the pedophilia claims and the three hole wonder BS, etc., I don’t think it will play well with the jury. If he’s smart, he’ll focus on what Jodi has said on the stand that wasn’t negative regarding Travis and how she “took responsibility” for being a willing participant in the sex. (even if that doesn’t make sense as far as allegations of sexual abuse go) He’ll do his best to show Jodi in a favorable light and he’ll attack DeMarte and try to rehabilitate LaViolette. He’ll also focus on the ME’s typo and what the other pseudo expert said last night about the possibility he wasn’t incapacitated.

    • Marilyn N
      05/02/2013 at 8:32 pm

      He might say, since Dr Horn’s report had that typo error, you cannot believe anything else
      in his report!! 😀😀😀

      • Lisa M
        05/02/2013 at 8:37 pm

        yeah, Marilyn, he probably will. And they’re going to tear DeMarte apart too.

  33. dpforjodi
    05/02/2013 at 8:27 pm

    I imagine he will be his obnoxious self. Dirty little secret, 3 hole wonder and slam every prosecution witness. And it will go on and on for ever to squeeze every cent out of the taxpayer he can get, cause you know he ain’t gonna get much work after this

  34. Kathy A.
    05/02/2013 at 8:29 pm

    Juan’s closing was so brilliant. Understated and very effective. I think the thing that really touched me – because I hadn’t thought of it in such detail prior to today – was the way Juan described Travis, already dying and trying to defend himself and trying desperately to get away from her, yet there she is on him with that knife, and he can see her in the mirror, stabbing him repeatedly in the head and back Anyone on the jury who seriously is considering her claim of self defense or that she only deserves manslaughter has got something really wrong with them.

    • Dewey
      05/02/2013 at 8:32 pm

      That helps him with DP. Fear, pain, and suffering that Travis went through. Heartbreaking.

    • Lisa M
      05/02/2013 at 8:42 pm

      Yeah, he really did bring it home what Travis must have gone through and reminded everyone of who the real victim was. The facts are incontrovertible. She hunted him down, she killed him, she made sure he was dead. She never called 911, hence, no self-defense and no fog. She knew he was dead and she had killed him, and all of her actions from the second after the murder until today have been efforts to cover up premeditation. He made that pretty clear. And also I like how he mentioned the statement re: “no jury will ever convict me” at the beginning of his closing but that was it. He didn’t close with it and bring it up continuously. He ended with the metaphor of the gas cans. Don’t carry the gas can for her.

    • LadyinRed
      05/02/2013 at 8:57 pm

      I agree, Kathy A. One of the most compelling closings I’ve ever seen. Juan’s description of those last few minutes match the forensic evidence and autopsy. Sending prayers of love and peace to all at CFJ. but especially TA’s family.

  35. dpforjodi
    05/02/2013 at 8:36 pm

    Juan is a master at what he does. He could make a lot more $ defending but he chooses to do this because he loves it and is for the underdog.

  36. dpforjodi
    05/02/2013 at 8:39 pm

    have a good night folks

    • Lisa M
      05/02/2013 at 8:44 pm

      Good night, DPFJ

    • kristin
      05/02/2013 at 9:07 pm

      Night night!

  37. Gwen
    05/02/2013 at 8:39 pm

    Does anyone know Juan’s trial record? Tried looking it up and had no luck.

    Thank you!

    • Marilyn N
      05/02/2013 at 8:45 pm

      Don’t know but would be interested as well!!

  38. Lisa M
    05/02/2013 at 8:44 pm

    I don’t know the specific numbers but I do know that he has an excellent record. Many, many convictions, including DP cases.

  39. NancyB
    05/02/2013 at 8:50 pm

    This is the poem that I posted about last week that made me tear up.

    by Travis Alexander

    Although we are uncertain of what you and I will be
    I wish you all the best
    and through time I guess we will see.

    Although we don’t know what tomorrow brings
    of our future we are unaware
    I wish you all the best
    even if tomorrow I am not there.

    May your life be filled with happiness
    and may all your dreams come true.

    May your heart never feel sorrow
    and your countenance never be blue.

    May all of your goals be accomplished
    in all that you do you succeed.

    May your heart never be left wanting
    and your soul never left in need.

    May the strength of the Lord be with you
    and the Holy Ghost always be near.

    May his love burn from within you
    and radiate to all you hold dear.

    Why? Because you deserve it
    All this and much more too.

    I wish you all the best
    and only all the best will do.

    This is the life I know you will have
    I am certain
    I know that you can.

    This is the life I pray for me
    So I’ll end the way I began.

    Although we are uncertain
    as to what you and I will be

    I wish you all the best
    and hope all the best is me

    Travis wrote this for Linda, who he hoped to marry, you may hear her read it aloud at the link.

    • 05/02/2013 at 9:22 pm

      This would be beautiful set to music

  40. Schaeffer
    05/02/2013 at 8:53 pm

    This has been posted before (don’t know by whom, though), but there are a lot of newcomers, and it bears repeating.

    Nurmi was assigned to this case when he was with the DA’s office. Since then, he has gone into private practice, and despite repeated attempts to be excused, he was required to stay, primarily for continuity. His new private practice is focused exclusively on defense for those accused of sex crimes. From his website

    I can provide you with aggressive representation against any accusation that you committed a sexual offense. Sexual Assault • Sex Conduct with a Minor • Indecent Exposure
    Sexual Exploitation of a Minor • Sexual Abuse • Molestation of a Child

    At the Law Office of L. Kirk Nurmi we understand that you do not have to commit a sexual offense to be accused of being a sex offender. We understand that innocent people can be accused of sex crimes such as sexual assault, sex conduct with a minor or sexual exploitation of a minor, or any sex offense with very little evidence. We also understand that being accused of committing such a crime is devastating and daunting. However, we also understand that the legal consequences are very serious and that if you are accused of a sex crime you need an attorney who has the experience and knowledge needed to provide you with an aggressive defense. Our results speak for themselves.


    What I cannot reconcile is the way Nurmi has relentlessly accused Travis of being every kind of “sexual deviant” imaginable, including being a pedophile, which, as Juan said, is one of THE hot button issues of our time and just about the worst crime one can be accused of. Yet, when this case is over, Nurmi is going to DEFEND these same types of defendants he has so reviled in this case! How is that possible? Who would hire him after seeing this performance? I guess his ability to talk endlessly — and so casually — in the most vile terms possible will serve him well in his next endeavor.

    I understand everyone has the right to a trial, but what I cannot fathom is that the vast majority of criminal defense attorneys believe EVERY defendant is innocent! That is why I cannot tolerate the defense attorneys who moonlight as talking heads on HLN and the former Court TV and shows of that ilk — they refuse to admit that some people really are guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence! It is simply not possible that everyone convicted and sitting in prison is innocent.

    • Gwen
      05/02/2013 at 9:47 pm

      Sounds like he’s a real class act!! NOT…..think he has nothing but kinky sex on his mind.

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 10:56 pm

      Oh I am glad you posted this. I asked a moment ago, downstairs, about the court minute entries. I was trying to reconcile Nurmi’s first attempt at removal and when the debacle with the forged letters occurred. I think they we were somewhat contemporaneous. WOBO was her own lead attorney, with Nurmi and Washington on for consultation. My point is, the minute entries show WOBO asked for Nurmi to return as lead council and the defense withdrew the fake letters. I think he tried to get out then, along with Washington, but could not. Anyway, to Nurmi’s credit, once he came back in the fake letters were withdrawn.

      I don’t think he likes or believes WOBO. And, I think she is driving this show. He does not want this case coming back, least of all due to ineffective council. I just think he is doing his job …. and, he did not handle any of the self defense crap — Wilnot did. Yes he asked ugly questions. But what choice did he have? WOBO is the lier, he is just doing his best to represent.

      And, the talking heads get paid to take a side …. Why else would you even try to talk to Nancy Grace — I hear you though …

      • Schaeffer
        05/03/2013 at 6:46 am

        HJ — I do know the scoop on this, but I’m not sure it you are still wanting the info or if you have it figured out yet. Do you need a brief recap of the situation?

    • cannondax
      05/03/2013 at 12:47 am

      Sounds to me like Wermi has some deeply embedded deviant proclivities of his own. I think he really gets off on the shock value of using sexually graphic language with the witnesses especially Travis’ ex girlfriend. The one that wanted to marry him. It sickened me to watch him ask her some of the most vile, disgusting questions. She held up very well and I was proud of her. I really believe Wermi gets some sort of vicarious sexual rush from his disgusting, pathetic approach. On the other hand, Juan showed such class today during close. He was able to succinctly get his point across without being any kind of PIG like Wermi is.

  41. Nancy
    05/02/2013 at 8:58 pm

    Jennifer is so unprofessional. She is constantly throwing tantrums, rolling her eyes, shaking her head, and smirking. Is Jodi rubbing off on her??? She is immature and the last clown I would want to defend me.

    • Marilyn N
      05/02/2013 at 11:14 pm

      No kidding! All that in addition to her wretchedly annoying voice!
      (Jennifer, if you’re reading this, get yourself a voice coach!)

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        05/02/2013 at 11:21 pm

        Ha ha ha….yea Willanurmi….and do something about that BALD spot!! It’s annoying as hell.

  42. dpforjodi
    05/02/2013 at 9:00 pm

    Well said Schaeffer

  43. Marilyn N
    05/02/2013 at 9:01 pm

    Another excellent (but awful) picture Juan painted was of Travis standing bloody at the mirror
    watching Jodi stab him more. Wow!

    • Lisa M
      05/02/2013 at 9:24 pm

      Yeah, that was powerful and heart wrenching.

    • Schaeffer
      05/02/2013 at 9:57 pm

      Marilyn, several weeks ago I commented about something Travis said about his childhood, before he went to live with his grandmother. Unfortunately, his mother spent the vast majority of her time either high or passed out, and she beat her children when they disturbed her, especially if they woke her up. He said he quickly learned to turn so she hit him in the back, because it hurt less if she hit him there. I think that thought came back to him as he was attacked, even if it was only instinct that made him turn his back to WOBO, thus the cluster of wounds on his back. Sickening, isn’t it?

      • Moon
        05/02/2013 at 10:52 pm

        I think you are absolutely correct. 😦

      • Jill
        05/03/2013 at 12:12 am

        Wow…that is so sad…that might b exactly why he did that. 😦

  44. Lisa M
    05/02/2013 at 9:06 pm

    What I cannot reconcile is the way Nurmi has relentlessly accused Travis of being every kind of “sexual deviant” imaginable, including being a pedophile, which, as Juan said, is one of THE hot button issues of our time and just about the worst crime one can be accused of. Yet, when this case is over, Nurmi is going to DEFEND these same types of defendants he has so reviled in this case! How is that possible? Who would hire him after seeing this performance? I guess his ability to talk endlessly — and so casually — in the most vile terms possible will serve him well in his next endeavor.
    I understand everyone has the right to a trial, but what I cannot fathom is that the vast majority of criminal defense attorneys believe EVERY defendant is innocent! That is why I cannot tolerate the defense attorneys who moonlight as talking heads on HLN and the former Court TV and shows of that ilk — they refuse to admit that some people really are guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence! It is simply not possible that everyone convicted and sitting in prison is innocent.

    Exactly, it’s called irony and it’s rife in this case. If Travis really were the monster Nurmi tried to make him sound like, and he were alive, and facing charges, Nurmi would be defending him! Maybe defense attorneys have to suspend their disbelief in order to do their jobs. Idk. How else could you defend child molesters? Sure, some people are innocent, but not all, or even the majority. They all hide behind that “I ensure the system works; even if a few guilty people have to go free, it’s worth it to ensure someone innocent isn’t convicted” banner.

    • Marilyn N
      05/02/2013 at 9:30 pm

      I know, LIsa. I’ve thought about that often (nurmi’s real job).

      Frankly, I think both Wurmi and Willnut are trying to defend their
      reputations as attorneys, more than Jodi

    • Moon
      05/02/2013 at 10:53 pm

      Well said and right on!

  45. dpforjodi
    05/02/2013 at 9:08 pm

    All we have heard for the last 5 months is this monster’s lies. Finally the truth. Thankyou Juan.

  46. kristin
    05/02/2013 at 9:11 pm

    Were all of Travis’s’ siblings in court today? Even the one that stole his identity upon being arrested? The family that was in attendance was a class act of people who made something of themselves. Very succinct with Travis.

    • Lisa M
      05/02/2013 at 9:23 pm

      One of Travis’ siblings stole his identity when he was arrested? I never heard that. It sounds like some sort of prank.

      • meljodcat
        05/02/2013 at 9:46 pm

        It Was Like 10 Years Ago..His Brother Was On Drugs Said He Was Travis, He Has Since Got Clean And Told The Authorities I Believe That’s Why The Defense Wanted To Sobpeana Traviss Criminal Background To Put That On The Record (Even Though It Was His Brother)

      • kristin
        05/02/2013 at 10:13 pm

        I wasn’t asking to be disrespectful! I hope my question didn’t come across as such. I just wondered if ALL the siblings were a united front. Again my apologies if anyone thought otherwise…..>>>> slinking back into shadow

      • Janna
        05/03/2013 at 3:04 am

        The brother who stole Travis’ identity was sitting in court today and he’s been there on many other occasions.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      05/02/2013 at 11:13 pm

      The defense saw this on the internet blogs ( I think was that stink hole JA is Innocent site) and when they were back in court the DUH-FENCE jumped on it and were asking to add this new “evidence” that was uncovered (just more to discredit TA!). However, JM, being 3 steps ahead had already had it checked out and the Riverside Police Dept. (in CA) proved that it was TA’s brother who admitted to using T’s identity to keep himself from going to jail. He was on probation at the time and didn’t want to go to jail again. He came forward and cleared TA’s record so the DUH-FENCE was left standing with their thumbs up their a** and both feet in their mouths!! Another Juantastic moment!!

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        05/02/2013 at 11:15 pm

        If we remember correctly TA’s brother was on Dr. Drew once and admitted to his wrong doing. He has cleaned up his act over the years also.

      • kristin
        05/02/2013 at 11:32 pm

        Thank you ladies for clearing this up:)

  47. dpforjodi
    05/02/2013 at 9:13 pm

    yes, I think so

  48. dpforjodi
    05/02/2013 at 9:16 pm

    well I am really off to bed, nite nite all

  49. Lisa M
    05/02/2013 at 9:22 pm

    You know what else is ironic? That we had to hear ad nauseum about how saintly little Jodi never wanted anyone to see the bad in Travis and she didn’t come forward because she wanted to protect his reputation, while she destroyed his reputation every which way but Sunday during this trial. Wonder why Juan never brought that up.

    • Kathy A.
      05/02/2013 at 9:30 pm

      I’m preaching to the choir here, but you know even if Travis were the biggest jerk around, she wouldn’t need to “de-edify” him because had he attacked her from the shower, and she had “accidentally” shot him in self defense, the minute he fell and she was able to get away from him, she would have run screaming for help out of the house and the police would have been called. Forensics would have backed up her story, and there very likely wouldn’t have even been an arrest. At least that’s what common sense says. I just have my fingers crossed that no one on the jury is swayed by her or her ridiculous defense.

      • Dewey
        05/02/2013 at 10:04 pm

        Im sure most people, if they had to kill in self-defense, would choose to sit in jail for 2 years knowing they face prison time or worse, before finally telling the truth about what really happened. She thinks this is believable?

  50. ringadingding
    05/02/2013 at 9:23 pm

    Great recap. I will sleep well tonight. Juan could not have done more for Travis and the truth. If there is anyone on the jury who holds out for Jodi, there is nothing in the world that could have been said, done or shown to convince him/her otherwise.

  51. NancyB
    05/02/2013 at 9:35 pm

    AngelaAnne Det Flores daughter did this

    • Jill
      05/03/2013 at 12:22 am

      Ty, nancy! So beautiful and touching!

      • Jill
        05/03/2013 at 12:41 am

        Everyone should watch this!!! An amazing tribute!

    • 05/03/2013 at 12:41 am

      Oh I love Dr Flores’ daughters’ voice. It is lilting and haunting. I have tears watching this. The photo of Travis with his arm around Martinez… I’m doing to HAVE to clip that for my site. I LOVE that!!!!!

      Dr Flores is a man of integrity and it is reflected in the his daughters compansion and beautiful voice.

      Thank God for providing these two wonderful men to represent this beautiful family.

      Thank you for posting this Nancy. I had heard her sing before but this is just something else.

      • 05/03/2013 at 12:44 am

        gah compassion,, oh how I hate my ipad, sorry!!

    • Moon
      05/03/2013 at 1:27 am

      this is so beautiful ty for sharing

  52. Schaeffer
    05/02/2013 at 9:47 pm

    Since court went so late Wednesday, did they say whether WOBO spent the night in the holding cell at the courthouse, or did they transport her back to the jail?

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 10:36 pm

      I don’t think we heard. But, she clearly looked like she had had a less than comfy night!

      Schaeffer — did you post the summary of the court minute entries? I can not recall who or when, do you?

  53. md_6953@hotmail.com
    05/02/2013 at 10:12 pm

    Thank you Donchais for a wonderful recap of today’s proceedings; you must be completely wiped out. Please get some rest. Just one question, once the DT is finished with their closing, does our Main Man Juan get to add anything else. He was wicked awesome today….Love than man. Best to all ~~~~~hugs and waves to all ~~~~~ We’re almost there for justice to Travis and his family for peace and closure. xoxo md in Massachusetts….

    • Dewey
      05/02/2013 at 10:14 pm

      Juan gets a rebuttal after the DT closing.

    • donchais
      05/02/2013 at 10:41 pm

      Yup, we should…just like we did last nite!

  54. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/02/2013 at 10:55 pm

    We sat stunned as we listened to JM go step by step through the whole sick story that is JA! Our favorite part was when he pointed out to the Jurors that IF Travis had a gun, then JA committed 1st Degree Felony Murder while committing a burglary because stole it (which she herself stated!). He then added, however, she stole the gun from her grandparents and brought it with her to TA’s and committed 1st Degree Felony Murder that was premeditated (we probably didn’t get the wording just right, but it was something like that)….bottom line she also shot herself in the foot! Bet she never thought about that and how could her attorneys not figure that one out??? Because they had the wool pulled over their heads from the get go and went with it! Her lies came around and bit her in the ass BIG TIME!!

    What a Juantastic closing!! Way to bring it home Juan! We truly love that he shut the mouths of all those Yappers on HLN. Especially the ones who continually criticized him for not making his point a little clearer throughout the trial. We always said he would connect the dots when the time was right because he was not going to give the DUH-FENCE an inch by showing all his cards before it was time.

    Thank you Mr. Martinez for bringing this case back to what it is ……JUSTICE FOR TRAVIS!!

    How about them apples HLN Yappers?!!

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 10:57 pm

      Ladies! Where have you been???? Good evening!

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        05/03/2013 at 12:05 am

        Hey there! Well we all had Nana duty today so we were all running in and out trying to fill each other in as best we could. We didn’t get settled in until around 2:30!! And since we don’t have those fancy cell phones where you can hear it on the road we were biting at the bit to get back home to see Juanito at his best. We’re going to find his closing on Boob Tube and listen to it instead of the DUH-FENCE. What we saw of Juanito today was absolutely captivating!! We’ll be monitoring everyone’s comments via our IPAD though. We’re always here in spirit though!

    • Moon
      05/02/2013 at 11:02 pm

      He was simply amazzzzzing! Those idots on the hlntube tonite still brought up how Juan didn’t do this and that! I just smiled. They still haven’t learned, I guess, how Juan operates. And I hope he hits what you said about the guns again, and I hope he makess it as clear as you wonderful gals did!

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 11:03 pm

      The talking heads … STILL talking! I thought we had a couple of Perry Mason moments …. I love that he hooked up the rental car and Priceline lie. And the story about bringing the CDs. And it was so sad when he mentioned Travis probably saw the WOBO stabbing him while he stood at the mirror.

      It was a Juantastic day. Hope tomorrow is not completely disgusting.

    • HJ Madison
      05/02/2013 at 11:10 pm

      Oh and don’t forget my other favorite …. felony murder because WOBO was no longer an invited guest — once she stabbed him, she became on intruder! Her face was priceless when JM said that. It is good … Felony murder if she stole TA’s gun and threw it away. Premeditated if she stole her Grandpappy’s and brought it with her. A real conundrum for the girl with the Einstein IQ. HA!

      • Moon
        05/02/2013 at 11:26 pm

        I know!! That was sooo Juantastic!
        Juan is far and away the absolute BEST Pros I’ve ever had the privilege to watch!

  55. CathyP
    05/02/2013 at 10:59 pm

    Thanks donchais for the great re-cap of Juan’s closing today. It really gives me a sense of relief that this trial will be over soon and there will be justice for Travis and his family. I know that there have been a lot of things that seemed to get away from the purpose of this trial, but Juan really brought it back to where it needed to be. I for one, need a break to digest everything that happened today (the TRUTH) and don’t really want to watch the defenses’ close tomorrow. I think I will just take the good that transpired today and keep it with me until the verdict is read. My heart and prayers are with Travis’s family, they have endured enough.

  56. Ginger
    05/02/2013 at 11:02 pm

    Epic closing amazing no bells and whistles just the brilliance of Juan Martinez and justice for the Alexander’s.

  57. Moon
    05/02/2013 at 11:53 pm

    Some of today’s notes between the BFFs HO and WhinesALot:

    H: I am NOT a liar, I am NOT!!
    W: I know I know, just try to ignore him, I told
    you this wasn’t going to be easy.. why don’t you draw for awhile.
    Here, I will pose for you, just draw me! Relax.. we are just getting started

    H: Damn, those freaking gas cans again! who cares if I had 2 or 3! I wanted
    to return one. I actually thought I did! Or, maybe I thought I should have
    but that might haved chanced me having to stop in AZ for gas!
    W: JODI, please please stop writing stuff like that! You better erase that!

    H: OH Wow! Can you believe he said I squealed like a cat!!
    W: LOL that Was a good one! LOL

    H: Do you see how many people are here today! Wow, I really AM famous
    One of my gal pals, DonoMAN has told me my name is ALL OVER THE
    NET! Wow This will only increase the value of my Manifesto and my
    W: You are famous! Just wish it wasn’t over all these circumstances, but hey
    you earned it… enjoy! BIG BIG SMILE

    H: How dare he say my memories are fantasies…. they are real, dammit!
    W: I know I know. He’s got it all wrong. I will make sure to bring this up
    during closing

    H: I do NOT have weeds growing around me! I am not a weed I am not a weed!
    W: Wish we could smoke some right about now though!
    H: LOL me too

    H: I never said it was a “Hoard” of skateboarders where’s this guy come up
    with this crap?
    W: You are so right! I know I know he’s just totally exaggerating. Here, you
    want a breath mint?
    H: Well yes but you will have to sneak it to me, those cameras are watching
    me like a hawk.. oh btw, how do I look?
    W: OK I will slip you one. Honey you look great you always look great! Can
    you work on the drawing of me for a bit. — If the cams are on us we prob
    need to lay off the BFF chat! I DO need to work on closing… Oh heck, do
    whatever you need to do! We have this covered so let’s just continue
    chatting! I need to go shopping, I so wish you could come with!
    H: Me too 😦 Hey, what was he talking about a backspace key?? I
    did that with Matt can’t Juan remember ANYthing???? geez with
    Travis, I just used his PW!! ha ha I didn’t HAVE to use the backspace
    key .. I’m still winning!!!
    W: no one has as good as memory as you, sweetie! You amaze me! I am so
    honored that I was brought on your case. I hope we will continue to talk
    after this is all over.
    H: Oh you know we will (thinking, only if i walk, bitch)

    H: Geez how many times do they have to bring up the Christmas Tree thing?
    I was too invited!! Travis once told me, back in Nov of 07 that I was
    ANYTIME! Geeez It’s not MY fault that some other SLUT was up
    in his room! I would have spied on them, but there were SO many people
    there that night and I didn’t want to make it obvious how obsessed I was..
    and still am)
    W: I know I know. PLEASE try try not to think of it! Maybe it’s time you
    try to cry for a bit.
    H: OK (thinking Dam this is gonna be hard, come on Jodi, you can do it)

    H: That was the most HURTFUL and HORRIBLE thing Travis said to me
    There is no way I am the WORST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO
    HIM. Dang, Jen can’t they all just understand that I was the best thing
    that ever happened to him. I was I was. This is EXACTLY what pushed
    me over the edge.
    W: I know i know. I totally agree. Travis was so wrong about you. You are the
    best thing that ever happened to me, i know that! No wonder you killed
    him three times over!
    H: Thank you thank you Jen, I am so glad you understand me!

    H: What is Juan talking about “light of Truth” ? I don’t get that!!
    W: I have a vague memory of what that means, but he’s not making any sense.

    H: Don’t they realize that Travis MADE me do this to him?? We’ve got to make them see we’ve got to!
    H: Jen? Jen??

    • CathyP
      05/03/2013 at 12:09 am

      Well done, Moon!

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 12:12 am

      Very funny!!! LOL!

    • Ginger
      05/03/2013 at 12:50 am

      That was awesome!

    • cannondax
      05/03/2013 at 12:53 am

      Good stuff! Someone should be writing for SNL!

    • 05/03/2013 at 12:57 am

      LMAO…… Moon how did you manage to slip your iphone. on record, so near to them without us catching it?

    • C.I.
      05/03/2013 at 1:57 am

      to funny – giggling away here

    • Family of Law
      05/03/2013 at 10:27 am

      Morning Moon! This was a great way to start my day! Sooooo funny! Well done you!

    • NancyB
      05/03/2013 at 12:06 pm


  58. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/03/2013 at 12:09 am

    kristin :
    Thank you ladies for clearing this up:)

    You’re welcome!

  59. HJ Madison
    05/03/2013 at 12:30 am

    C.I. :
    On the day of the murder is that when she stole the ring?

    C.I. Not sure if this was answered earlier. I think the ring theft sort of fell out of Dr. DeMarta – I think. So, again because there was never an “official” arrest, we just vaguely heard about it.

  60. monica b
    05/03/2013 at 1:10 am

    I don’t know how the Alexandar family can deal with all of this. I am so proud of JM and the moral passion that comes through when he speaks. I will bet all the hair Willmott has lost in her ever increasing bald spot, that Nurmi will give a sloppy, over dramatic closing AND he will refer to his notes MANY times. I pray for the family and I respect their amazing strength.

  61. 05/03/2013 at 1:13 am

    I like how Juan eluded to Jodi having the camera. because no way would Travis, fighting for his life, have taken it down the hall to that bedroom.

    Juan didn’t have to explain how it was there with her.. too complicated….. the fact is it was there with her because that photo exists. That’s as far as he needs to go.. same as exactly when she stabbed him. I think he too believes it relates to that seated shot.. but he doesn’t have to go into that much detail so he just sat that pic there for ages while he went through it all. No mention of the ceiling shot.. he doesn’t need to expalain that either. So why complicate it?

    Unlike us, who were trying to work out how she managed to take the shots and have the camera with her it with her.. all those kinds of things he doesn’t have to factor in so he glossed over them all.

    I would love to hear his full re-enactment not bound to the rules of evidence , just what he thinks of it all.. seems to me he is thinking the camera was on a strap. She obviously didn’t have it in her hands during the attack, but as he pointed out.. he does believe it was ‘”with” her.

    • Moon
      05/03/2013 at 1:29 am

      Juan is so brilliant ..

      what a meeting that would be

  62. SeniorMoments
    05/03/2013 at 1:18 am

    If I remember correctly, in most of the high profile cases I’ve followed, the jury instructions were given AFTER the closing arguments. This way was much better because Juan had a chance to define and explain the terms as they apply in this case. Otherwise, it’s just the judge reading them in a monotone and the jurors left to figure it out for themselves. Juan did a great job with circumstantial evidence concerns and reasonable vs any doubt. Of course, the defense will have a chance to put their spin on it, but Juan can come back to clean it up.

  63. 05/03/2013 at 1:27 am

    Syn, don’t know of I’m asking this correctly but what separated Travis from any of her other exes. Why didnt she do this to Bobby? What had developed in her and was she capable of doing this to her own family. Was it a progression in JA, had she graduated to this state or was it a loss of control?

    Also, HLN had the mother of a roommate of JA’s on who said she lived w JA approx and couldn’t stand it any more bc of lies, bringing men under the guise of Bible studies. She would ask roommate to go to another room and she would hear everything. Her daughter also knew Travis. Mom called Flores but they were interested only in people from AZ, she says anyway. Mom also had wanted to get a restraining order against JA. Crazy. Now so much more is coming out.

    • 05/03/2013 at 2:34 am

      Heygirl … 😀 he was a far greater challenge than any of her pathetic exes. He was her ultimate game she worked so hard to try to keep him from Skye Hughes…she saw that as a huge challenge. Then there was the challenge to keep him from dating.. she always thought she would win him back just as she had every other man in her life.

      Travis, however, had other ideas… he finally said “Look Jodi, I know what you are I don’t want to play your twisted game anymore and I’m going to tell everyone exactly what you are I’m sick of you. Get out of my life you evil biatch!”

      All her previous conquests had been easy.. still seems most of them were lapdogs to her, they’d never seen through her. Then here’s Travis, everything she covets – kind compassionate caring and respected…. and he doesn’t want anything to do with her evilness

      She simply could not stand it.

  64. Moon
    05/03/2013 at 1:27 am

    i can’t wait for the day that donchais can show us a pic of Travis’ family members with smiles on their faces.

  65. Moon
    05/03/2013 at 1:33 am

    The evil one……….. with her indepently moving eyes, her forked reptillian tongue the evil that spews out of her ugly mouth. she gets uglier by the day. sometimes when she wants ev1 to think she is crying, i actually get the vibe that she is trying to hold back laughter.

    • NancyB
      05/03/2013 at 2:22 am

      Bingo – you have very accurately nailed how she looks & so glad you mentioned those bizarro independently moving eyes!

    • ringadingding
      05/03/2013 at 9:02 am

      Yes. Has anyone here identified the cause of that wandering eye? Seems to be brain-related. Something’s not connecting the way it should.

  66. 05/03/2013 at 1:34 am

    In catching up, there was another woman whom TA knew. He confided in her that she wanted to know his whereabouts 24/7, was feelin smothered. She offered him a break by going to her home. JA saw them getting in the car and as they’re leaving, she runs after the car, the lady said like a dog runs after a car. They continued to just go. Sheesh.

  67. Moon
    05/03/2013 at 1:36 am

    Juan did such a great job of trashing la toilette … he really didn’t attack that quack Dr G nearly like he did the others. maybe this is because of how all that guy did was bring out the fact that there was a typo on dr horns report, which in turn backfired on the duhfense cuz of the juror that was paying attn and wanted verification of the dura mater.

  68. Moon
    05/03/2013 at 1:43 am

    When Juan brought up the burglary at the gpa and gma’s house….I was surprised that he didn’t bring up the fact that she returned to Daryl’s with the remote….

    • 05/03/2013 at 3:02 am

      Moon I think he kept it simple.. why throw in things that are easy for the DT to start arguing about? Keep it simple straight forward and explain it all to the jury in no uncertain terms why her actions fit a first degree verdict.

      Heaps of things he glossed over or left out…. like how the camera got to that bedroom where she slit his throat for a start.. he doesn’t have to explain how.. he just says.. well it was there.. and Travis sure as hell didn’t bring it with him.. the last thing on his mind was a camera he was fighting for his life! One logical conclusion and one logical conclusion only.. SHE was responsible for it being there.

      Now take the remote and entirely different can of worms….. the DT could say.. well the Prosecutor doesn’t know how that remote got into her car.. she could have inadvertently picked it up in Darryl’s house… or Daryl’s son could have put it there.. why give them a chance to pull it to bits? Too circumstantial to bother with I think, considering the amount of things he can prove beyond reasonable doubt without pulling that level of conjecture into it.

      • 05/03/2013 at 3:06 am

        nother thing.. notice along with the camera being there.. and it being her responsiblity cos Travis sure as hell didn’t bring it there…

        he also says… she has the gun and the knife… but he doesn’t explain.. where she had the gun or the knife.. but he infers she had them on her.

        Why not include an explanation of how she ‘had’ them?

        Because at this stage it is unnecessary.. let the defense deal with that.. then he will bring in his explanation at the very end if necessary.

      • Moon
        05/03/2013 at 10:14 am

        thanks for clarifying that for me! Juan is ‘da man’

      • 05/03/2013 at 10:18 am

        I’m just guessing Moon… it just seemed like that to me.

  69. Douglme
    05/03/2013 at 2:03 am

    Well, I must say, I didn’t get a chance to hear all the closing arguments from Juan today as I was working so I just finished watching them now and he did an absolutely fantastic job! I am going to find it difficult to listen to Wurmi tomorrow, so I hope he doesn’t drag it out too long. I cannot image the juror finding her of anything but guilty of 1st degree murder.

  70. 05/03/2013 at 2:19 am

    Further to my above post.

    Because she is leaning in to stab him in the chest in that seated shot.. ie it’s moments before she plunged the knife into him or more precisely as she moves in to do it… Juan doesn’t have to include those extra 44 seconds. He just has to rebutt whatever the prosecutions story is.

    Therefore on rebuttal after the defense presents their version of events, he can still narrow it to those 62 seconds. Which in and of itself is so important.

    To do what she alleges happened in the 62 seconds is far easier to disparage than the full 106. Though even if Juan had to do it in the 106 seconds.. I have no doubt he could. But 62 is far easier and needs no conjecturing at all.

    Again, thanks to this “fog” and the ridiculous story Jodistein and the DT have come up with, the prosecution is left with so many options and avenues.

    Juan only has to prove beyond reasonable doubt her story is bogus and a window of 62 seconds excludes her claims beyond reasonable doubt especially when you have to factor in

    1.Running for the gun

    2. Running for a knife you don’t know the location of,,

    3. Inflicting 27 stab wounds and multiple defense wounds..

    4. Him being at the basin long enough to bleed over it and aspirate onto the mirror..

    5. Her chasing after him as he crawls down the hallway and ending in slashing his neck

    The stab wounds alone account for 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14, 15, 16,17,18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 seconds at least!! and he is fighting.. so even counting em off one by one is obviously faster than she could be doing it… but just count it and time it all anyhow.

    Then try to factor those counts while he is trying to get away down the hall …. and slashing his neck at the end of that hallway. How many seconds would that part have taken? 40 at minimum???

    For this exercise it doesn’t have to be in order this is just an experiment to fit the events into that 62 seconds. To see if you can, regardless of the order of them they all just have to be conceivably done within 62 seconds for a start. (and these numbers are below what I’d consider realistic minimums)

    1. Count off those numbers ….. one by one lets say about 1 second per count and it likely averages more than that in real terms cos they are not all done consecutively = 30 seconds

    2. then factor him getting to and standing over that basin and causing those blood patterns = 10 seconds

    3. she is stunned on the ground so she hasn’t even started running to that closet for the gun
    = 10 seconds

    4. Now she rolls over and runs to that closet but is slow enough not to disturb one thing.. this realistically takes more time she could not have been frantically running for that gun the closet is too pristine for that.. so give extra seconds for that. (10 seconds)

    5. She runs out of the closet and points the gun at him… he lunges she shoots him back in the bathroom. ( 5 seconds )

    6. Now he starts coming at her again cos he is “angrier” at her for shooting him – that statement of hers is ridiculous in itself and screams “I’m making this up” what a stupid thing to say.. but I digress!.. and anyhow we are already over time.

    So I’m gonna stop now.. cos her scenario is so stupid and will go so long passed 62 seconds that it’s really pointless going on with it.

    This is not MY scenario.. this is what the DT is telling the jury to fit into the 62 seconds. I think Juan will prove in his final rebuttal that this is a load of wank! There is no way, within reasonable doubt parameters, her story fits into 62 seconds. Not a chance in hell!

    • ringadingding
      05/03/2013 at 9:21 am

      I think that by the time the ceiling shot is taken, she’s already stabbed Travis. That picture could have been taken as he struggled to get away from her and managed to push or knock her down (it’s one of the true parts she tells, but she rearranges the order to make it sound like he body slams her for dropping the camera–no, he pushes or knocks her down for stabbing him, but she can’t say that). He gets to the sink, leans onto it for support. She either comes up behind him after she’s regained her wind. It’s either before he can get farther and she stabs him some more, or he’s already started to crawl down the hall to get away and she kicks and stabs him to get him to stop (remember, in the ninja story, she says he’s crawling–so that’s a true part she wove in–and also that he just wouldn’t die).

      • 05/03/2013 at 10:00 am

        I think the ceiling shot is her getting up off the floor and going to him.. by then he has knocked her to the ground as he lunged out of the shower after she stabbed him right after that shutter took that photo of her going in with the knife to his chest..

        she gets up off the floor.. the camera takes the shot as she is getting up.. and then she is behind him at the sink stabbing him in the head and back.

        There’s 44 seconds between those shots and I think it can be accounted for with her being at least momentarily confused when her head hit the ground.. having to then find the knife which hit the tiles as she was knocked down.. which is her hearing the knife fall story. She would have had to come to.. then scramble for the knife… before orientating herself to continue the attack. That could take a decent amount of time.. all the while he is trying to breath over that basin.

  71. NancyB
    05/03/2013 at 3:05 am

    I think she shot him to destroy his face.

    • 05/03/2013 at 3:28 am

      could definitely be… could definitely be… depends when she thought of the two people.

      Still can’t get passed the feeling it was at least partially in her head either bout the two perps when she realised the enormity of the cleanup involved with his unexpected escape from the shower…

      she thinks in movies… and that’s kind of what a movie would come up with… the scene needed the second weapon to try to advance the smokescreen of two perps… and that also conjoins with her immediately bringing the two perps cos [paraphrasing]

      “Travis works out like nobody I have ever seen and he is a big guy was there two people involved?” to Det Flores repeatedly…. including soon in that first phone call almost immediately after him saying “do you have any questions for me?”

      and she used TWO ninjas… so it was almost certainly in her mind and really there is no other reason than she knew the bullett and knife COULD point to two people.

      When she thought of it.. well there’s the million dollar question.. was it as she surveyed the scene so she grabbed the gun.. or was it afterwards when she was thinking back to the events. Between when she killed him and when she first spoke to Det Flores.

      • ringadingding
        05/03/2013 at 9:26 am

        I’ve been on the fence about that theory, until Juan described the aftermath as “staging” the scene. So yeah, maybe it was to make it look like more than one killer. I still tend to think she brought the gun as back up in case the stabbing didn’t work. Clearly, it did work, so it’s hard to explain that final shot unless it’s to throw police off the scent of a single killer.

      • 05/03/2013 at 10:01 am

        yeah my thinking is akin to your version above ringading

  72. NancyB
    05/03/2013 at 3:08 am

    Some of my favorite Juan Martinez gems today:

    “She’s such an ornate liar.”

    “Alyce LaViolette has a problem with the truth.”


    • 05/03/2013 at 3:30 am

      hahahhaha I am going to re watch it and pick some out too 😀

  73. NancyB
    05/03/2013 at 3:09 am

    Possibly the most ridiculous question ever asked by an attorney in court: “So if somebody’s not alive you can’t get any information from them?” JW

    “It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” -Macbeth

    • 05/03/2013 at 3:32 am

      hahahahahahaha omg Nance!!!

      and THAT is exactly why she did it… out of total frustration and exasperation because she was so obviously at sea with the whole line of questioning. Dr DeMarte TOTALLY disarmed her!

  74. Schaeffer
    05/03/2013 at 4:11 am

    For the “Juan’s gems” list —

    “This is an individual who will stop at nothing, and who will continue to be manipulative and will lie at every turn.”

    In other words, EVER letting her out of prison would not only be a mistake, it would be dangerous.

  75. 05/03/2013 at 5:18 am

    Good morning….

    • Schaeffer
      05/03/2013 at 6:32 am

      Morning. Are you still up or just getting up?

  76. Schaeffer
    05/03/2013 at 6:31 am

    Follow up thought to Juan’s quote: “This is an individual who will stop at nothing, and who will continue to be manipulative and lie at every turn.”

    I hope the jury truly understands how dangerous WOBO is and will forever remain. Frankly, she has taken such careful inventory of everyone involved in this entire case, I am afraid for more than a few of them. She has sketched everyone who set foot in court and taken copious notes on everything everybody said. Whenever someone testified — even if they didn’t testify in the presence of the jury — she was taking dictation and sketching away. She has recorded every single thing she perceived as a betrayal, or lack of proper support, or even the tiniest of slights. She knows which of her former acquaintances have given interviews on TV and/or in print. (She doesn’t have any friends, other than maybe Leslie Udy.) She has sketched the gallery, and knows who among them has spoken to the media on a regular basis, like Katie Wick. She knows who has been there from the media, and what they said. She’s probably compiled a list of individuals who may not have testified against her, but didn’t flock to her side and testify for her; even if calling them during the trial wasn’t an option, she undoubtedly gave her attorneys a list of people to contact and/or subpoena. When she is convicted, her “expert” witnesses, and even Willmott and Nurmi better watch their backs. And of course, it goes without saying Juan, Detective Flores, Judge Stephens, and Travis’s friends are at the top of the list. Jesus, what about Travis’s family?

    Her first order of business will be to get the names, addresses and phone numbers of the jurors so she can match them up with the “portraits” she has so carefully prepared. (Maybe that’s why her journals were confiscated? We never saw anything more about them after they were taken.) I wouldn’t be surprised if she even gathers as much info as she can get on their families and jobs — there is a LOT of info available on the net. Remember Dr. DeMarte’s stolen laptop? Hopefully, the judge will take a cue from Belvin Perry — the judge in the Casey Anthony trial — and seal the identities of the jurors, at least for a period of time.

    She already has a cadre of minions on the outside doing her bidding. Many of them already have criminal records, and even those who don’t are so bewitched by her, it is not outside the realm of possibility they would commit a crime for her. She already roped Matt into manufacturing evidence and committing perjury, and she did her damnedest to illegally communicate with him from jail. She attempted to use another friend (Ann Campbell?) as a mule to smuggle information and communications out of the jail. She has Donovan Bering on a tight schedule, running her ragged with daily phone calls, tweeting, managing her website, administering her Facebook page, and serving as her “voice” since she has so much to say. WOBO is a female Manson; remember, Manson didn’t actually participate in the Tate-LaBianca murders, he ordered others to do them for him. Squeaky Fromm is STILL loyal to him.

    If she gets the death penalty or LWOP, what does she have to lose if she has somebody knocked off, or their homes burned down, their tires slashed, their laptops stolen, or just scares the shit out of them with threats and intimidation? And if she is in general population, you can bet your ass she will find out who has a criminal background she can use to her advantage — and exactly when they are getting out. If she can’t get them to carry out her wishes free of charge, she already has a fund raising campaign well underway to pay for their services.

    As I said before, WOBO needs to have anything she can write with or on taken away from her, just like BTK. The reason I say that is two-fold. One, it will be a true punishment for her, because she is so compulsive about writing and drawing. Second, she won’t be able to make stuff to sell for profit. If she is allowed to write to anyone, she should have to do it in front of a guard, then hand the stuff back. Given her history of trying to communicate illegally, I hope they monitor the contents of her outgoing mail.

    Saying WOBO will “stop at nothing, and will continue to be manipulative and lie” is an understatement — this “woman” holds a grudge, and she lives for revenge! (I wish there was a way to type the word “woman” that would reflect the absolute hate and disdain in Juan’s voice when he calls her that — he does it so well!.) She is dangerous, and she will have a lot of time on her hands to plot and plan.

    Question: Can something be put in place to prevent her from contacting any of Travis’s family? Is she forbidden to contact the jurors? Mind you, she won’t follow the rules, but I was just wondering if there are regulations prohibiting contact?

    • 05/03/2013 at 6:46 am

      I Agee with you on all your points. I still wonder what her intentions were when she was planning to leave prior to being arrested. The prison monitors calls and can intervene if she threatens individuals while incarcerated. Hopefully she will receive DP and on death row, there is more supervision and less opportunity to interact.

      • 05/03/2013 at 7:17 am

        I think the simplest explanation suffices here.. and that is what she inadvertently lets out on the stand

        She brought that 9mm to learn how to use a gun properly.

        I truly believe it is that simple.

        What would have happened once she felt comfortable using it, well to me not really relevant cos she was arrested and here we are so whatever it may have been thankfully was curtailed.

    • 05/03/2013 at 8:18 am

      Schaeffer.. I’m sure at least some of the jury would get how dangerous she is. Anyone who can keep lying and lying as easily as her, who used the injury she got killing him to try to prove he kicked her months before. That’s a very dangerous mind and that’s a smidgeon of the full extent of her ability to lie.

      That’s diabolical in itself when you think about it.. and it’s without looking at what she is capable of when they look at those crime scene photos.

      How could they not?.. I know.. I know… anything is possible but just sayin’ 😛

      There’s at least one very smart cookie in that group… even still, even without at least two really other thoughtful jurors (CEO and Tri-colour).

      Let’s just hope there are enough left to put some logical thinking into the final 12 deliberation.

      • Schaeffer
        05/03/2013 at 8:50 am

        I think the jury is onto her, too. I was just very impressed with the way Juan worked that in without saying “She’s a crazy-ass bitch and if she is ever set loose, she’ll do it again, and again.” He said eloquently what I paraphrased not-so-eloquently at the end of that post.”

      • 05/03/2013 at 9:05 am

        yep totally agree with you! Juan worked so much in.. and some he deliberately downplayed during the rest of the trial.. like those CD’s I remember a vague reference to them.. and thinking why does she hve those… but he didn’t go into it enough.. I think deliberately because he knew he was going to use it later and didn’t want the sleepy DT to pick up on it.

    • ringadingding
      05/03/2013 at 9:31 am

      Yes, yes, yes and YES! That is what worries me most about this trial. She’s been taking notes and images of jurors and court watchers, not to mention witnesses. I hope they confiscate those images from her when she’s convicted.

  77. 05/03/2013 at 6:36 am

    Schaeffer :
    Morning. Are you still up or just getting up?

    Working on my first pot of coffee. Woke up a little while ago and trying to get caught up on posts and closing argument yesterday. My wifi went down and I had to go out to replace/repair. How about you?

    • 05/03/2013 at 8:02 am

      ugh you had wifi probs and couldn’t watch yesterdays? how frustrating.. 😈

  78. 05/03/2013 at 7:11 am

    hello purties.. another thing bout Juan’s summation of the actual attack.. he eludes to her having the camera on her not only at the throat slitting pic at the carpeted doorway of the bedroom, also that it’s still there when she is dragging his body in the next shot.

    If the camera was with her all through the attack [assume hanging from her strap around her neck cos the actual strap to Travis cam was still new in the case].. how come not one of the inadvertent shots shows one hint of her version of the story?

    Looking for a DT way to explain this…. not the obvious.. “cos her version never happened”..

  79. Schaeffer
    05/03/2013 at 7:13 am

    Lisa — still up. My little one sometimes has a hard time sleeping, so I keep odd hours. I didn’t hit the “reply” to your message because I didn’t want to go to moderation.

    I really don’t know, or have a strong opinion about, what she was doing when she was leaving prior to the arrest. I do think she was trying to make a getaway, but I just have a hard time thinking she would be going on a “killing spree” like some others do. I think she was “too hot” and she knew it. They had her under surveillance for a couple of days, I think, but they decided to nab her when they realized she was packing to leave.

    I know she will be monitored in prison, but she is SO devious, she will try and try. Actually, I’m surprised she doesn’t have more infractions of a different variety on her record. She has been caught repeatedly with hidden pens, and a few times with other contraband, but she is such a smart ass, I thought she’d have more infractions along the lines of talking back or failing to follow instructions. She thinks she is so smart they won’t catch on to her tricks (like the magazine with the hidden messages), but she’s wrong. She may have come up against a situation where there were lots of rules to follow, but she has never come up against a situation where the punishment is as harsh, AND she will not be able to cry or talk or lie her way out of it, AND they don’t give a rat’s ass if she doesn’t like it or isn’t happy; they are NOT going to appease her. I think she has been a rule breaker all her life, but she’s always been able to wear the other person down till they just say “Screw it, do what you want,” I’m sure she’s gotten away with crap all her life because parents, g-parents, and boyfriends just give up. She’ll be in for a VERY rude awakening if she lands on death row!

    What was you impression of Juan’s closing?

    • 05/03/2013 at 7:24 am

      Scheffer still up? wow you must be getting tired! you going to get any sleep before the Nurm starts or you plan on sleeping through that?

      • 05/03/2013 at 7:29 am

        Also Schaeff.. did you see what i think is the typo in the ME report you sent me. I didn;t have time to do much more than throw a suggestion at you yesterday cos court started agan just after you sent me the report.

        Do you think what I referenced is the right place?

      • Schaeffer
        05/03/2013 at 7:34 am

        I’ll just stay up — at least I’ll try to — but with Wurmi droning on, I may not be able to manage it. I am surprised he’s doing it, because JW did the opening. Lord, he is just awful to listen to.

        Re: autopsy — Yes, I did, Thanks — I was skimming it and just missed it. Did JW point it out on cross, or did a juror pick up on it? I didn’t think the jurors had a copy of the autopsy report yet. Also, did Juan put up the photo of the neck gash yesterday? That is the one picture I have not been able to look at, and a couple of times when he was putting up photos, I covered my eyes.

      • 05/03/2013 at 7:39 am

        It was a juror! That’s a question you might be able to help me with actually… how come the Juror’s had a copy of his report are they handed it when he is on the stand so they can refer to it?

    • 05/03/2013 at 7:32 am

      One of my dogs started to bark so here I am…anyhow, she is devious but they will shut her down once convicted and if on death row, if should be more difficult for her to act out. I don’t feel as confident if in the general population. A couple of her buddies, one being Donovan, is a parole so I don’t think they can have any contact once arias is convicted.
      Regarding the closing argument, I listening to part of it now. I saw some of it but missed other portions. I think he did a great job from what I’ve seen. The attorneys on hln including the hardcore defense variety think he did really well and hit the important points. A couple of them who have been consistently in lala land throughout the trial think nurmi can pull it off if her emphasizes the “abuse”…I mean really, what r they smoking??? How was this overkill ever justified….!!!

      • 05/03/2013 at 7:38 am

        what are they smoking you ask…. ummm Juan’s weed? 😛

      • Schaeffer
        05/03/2013 at 8:21 am

        You are right, she can’t legally have contact with Donovan or any convicted felons once she is convicted, but she will still try it. She’ll try putting everything she is selling (like her drawings) on a website that someone else will run, they will filter the money to her mother, then her mother will put it in her account — stuff along those lines.

        I agree with you on general population — she’ll be much harder to monitor. That’s where she picked up the trick with sending messages out in a magazine, and hiding pens in the shampoo bottles. Hopefully, after they catch her breaking the rules a few times, they’ll crack down on her. I’ve said all along she got the stories about being abused from other inmates who probably ARE true DV victims. She is masterful at taking someone else’s story and making it her own. First, she said her mom broke her little brother’s finger when she was hitting him with a wooden spoon, and he put his hand out to block the blow. Next thing you know, she put her hand out to block a blow from Travis, and her finger got broken.

        Same with stories about Travis; she adopts them as her own, but makes herself the hero (the ninja story), or says he was bashing his head and saying he wanted to die so she was the hero and calmed him down, when in reality, she threatened suicide every time he tried to dump her. Other examples are not as diabolical, but are still stolen; she made a big deal about being big environmentalists that “cared about the earth” but Travis bought a Prius, and she bought bottled water by the case instead of using a reusable cup.

      • Family of Law
        05/03/2013 at 12:00 pm

        Juan-weed!!!! Lol!!!!

  80. 05/03/2013 at 7:43 am


    Also, did Juan put up the photo of the neck gash yesterday? That is the one picture I have not been able to look at, and a couple of times when he was putting up photos, I covered my eyes.

    I believe he showed it.. but we didn’t see it.. like so many of the most cruel photos, we only heard the discussion about them. You could see people in the gallery looking at the screens but we were not privy to what was on them.

    • Lisa M
      05/03/2013 at 12:09 pm

      I have done my best not to look at any of those photos while this trial has lasted, partly to save myself the pain and partly out of respect for Travis and his family. At times, I’ve been really curious and I even found a site where they’re displayed but I couldn’t bring myself to look at them. But then I was watching video– must have been online– that replayed the time when Juan unexpectedly showed that photo during the trial, and there it was! I saw it. Oh, my God, very, very horrifying. No wonder the poor family can’t bear to see those photos.

  81. 05/03/2013 at 8:11 am

    I wanna see these extra photographs there seems to be with her grimacing and straddling him.. wonder how come we haven’t seen all the pics?

    • Schaeffer
      05/03/2013 at 8:35 am

      I don’t want to see them if they are of the “Hustler” variety, but I am confused about how many pictures there were and what the subject matter was. The camera guy said there were 90 undeleted photos, but I don’t know if they were all from that day, or if they were of something else. The camera was new, so I don’t know how much he had used it for other stuff. Also, did you catch it that at least two people said something to the effect of when Travis had her tied to the bed, he cut the rope with the knife as he climaxed because it excited him. I’m no expert, but it has been my experience that most men, when climaxing, are rather singularly focused at that precise moment, and are not concentrating on taking a knife and cutting someone loose from rope restraints. Any ideas?

      Also, I thought I heard JW say WOBO’s IQ was 112; I think it was when she was doing cross with Jill Hayes (?name?) when she was challenging her about DeMarte having her take a 5 minute reading comprehension test. Did you hear that, too? An IQ of 112 is nothing to write home about.

      Finally, I have a WOBO-inspired new diagnosis for the DSM — Delusions of Intelligence

      • 05/03/2013 at 8:49 am

        no 115 is upper cut off for high average (100-115 is average span) above 115 is cut off into above average area.

        So 112 is only towards the upper average range. Seems like she has had two tests.. one showed 112 so let’s go with that one.. Perky did so who are we to argue? 😀

  82. 05/03/2013 at 8:25 am

    Morning all! Just remember……

    “If you live in ‘The Light of Truth’, ya Ain’t Gotta Remember Nothin’!”

    • 05/03/2013 at 8:26 am

      Thank you ObiJuan 😀

    • Schaeffer
      05/03/2013 at 8:38 am

      WheresTheJustice — did you answer a question for me a couple of days ago about Mormon temple garments? Someone did and I didn’t get a chance to thank them before comments were closed.

      Also, does anyone know what happened to Observer? I haven’t seen her for days.

  83. 05/03/2013 at 8:35 am

    Watching Juan…. thinking.. “Oh lawd I’m sooooooo dreading listening to Jabba the Hut”

    I can’t even stand looking at him let alone having to listen to him as well… he’s the love child of Jabba the Hut and a sloth.

    he must be doing the closing right? cos he was doing the objecting? Plus he does the sleaze thing.. Perky does the perky stuff…. and I assume the closing is going to be VERY sleazy on many many levels.

    • 05/03/2013 at 9:26 am

      I always feel as if I need to take a hot shower…STAT! after listening to him talk. The sleaze just oozes off of him! It’s only fitting that he defends paedophiles and sex offenders….because it takes one to know one!

      • 05/03/2013 at 10:03 am

        yeah I need a good scrub down after watching Nurmi or Jodistein… both disgust me. Perky irritates me but it’s more because she presents as a giggly school girl and I find her behaviour totally inappropriate and misguided, plus she seems to have no idea what she is doing but seems to think she is pulling it off despite that. She isn’t!!

    • Lisa M
      05/03/2013 at 12:11 pm

      Yeah, he’s doing the closing, unfortunately. 😦

  84. 05/03/2013 at 8:38 am

    AAAAGGGHHHH She is sooooo evil!!!!! I can’t stand her!!! 😈

    My pusscat just said ” I wanna poke those little pencils in her eyes again.” 😯

    • 05/03/2013 at 9:28 am

      Syn, your pussycat is very astute….they can truly sense evil! And they don’t come more evil than this biotch!

    • Family of Law
      05/03/2013 at 12:10 pm

      Such a smart kitty! 🐱

  85. Schaeffer
    05/03/2013 at 8:43 am

    Syntara :
    … how come the Juror’s had a copy of his report are they handed it when he is on the stand so they can refer to it?

    My question, exactly. That’s why I think it came out during Dr. G’s testimony, and a juror HEARD what he said about the dura mater being in tact, and even though he/she didn’t have a copy of the report, they knew enough to understand the mistake. I cannot imagine the jurors have copies of anything other than their notes, because they wouldn’t focus if they had something to read and/or look at during all those godforsaken sidebars and apologists!

    • 05/03/2013 at 9:03 am

      there was reference to it with Dr G…. what happened was he said he got all his information from the ME’s report…. and therefore the membrane wasn’t perforated.

      So ya ya ya… very astute juror then asked… how come your report says the membrane wasn’t perforated.

      OOOoooooooo the DT is hoping THAT juror is not in the final 12!!!

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 9:32 am

      Good morning/evening all: Schaeffer and Syntara, couple of things. Wilnot askes Dr. Dolittle during her direct about the ME report. (CroakerQueen, Day 54, part 3, about 32:30 starts). Schaefer, your post to the autoposy location — the ME’s report, page 7 says specifically “the dura mater and falx cerebri are intact”. Looks like a standard sort of cut and paste mistake. What makes this interesting is that Wilnot proposes it IS a mistake in her direct. So, the jury question came to clarify testimony. You know, when you read the ME report I think the ME seems a little wishy/washy on the injury to the brain on page 4 under “gunshot wound”.

      Schaefer: No worry with the minute entries, thank you though.

      I think all the interesting discussion here regarding the camera and they fact so many were one way or the other (JA held it, hung on wrist, hung on neck strap, got kicked, etc ….) led to JM’s “what we know is Travis did not have it”. I thought it great he did not get bogged down in the minutiae.

      • Schaeffer
        05/03/2013 at 10:49 am

        I thought the ME was good, and even though he kept his cool, you could tell he was getting irritated with JW haranguing him about the brain being liquified, or pudding like, or able to be sectioned, or able to be put in a pan, or going to run off the table — she is so far out of her league it is ridiculous. You could tell he wanted to say “What part of decomposed do you not understand?!?!”

        The only thing I wish he would have done differently was to bring a model skull and those rods they use to illustrate the trajectory so he could clearly show what happened. I was afraid JW was going to suggest Travis shot himself through his nostril and he bullet lodged in his cheek bone.

        Were you following the trial when she did the cross examination during the prosecution’s case? Again, she was so far out of her league it was laughable. She kept saying “Well, we hear all the time about people walking into the Emergency Room with a nail gun sticking out of their skull.”
        “We’ve all heard stories where somebody has had something sharp lodged in their brain for years and they didn’t even know it.” She gave several examples like that, and Dr. Horn kept saying “Those are entirely different than a GSW. A bullet is moving at a very high velocity, there are gases being released, there is neurogenic shock . . .” but good ole Perky would say “But we saw a thing on Ripley’s Believe It or Not” (or some such high quality medical show) and this guy had an arrow in his head and he was talking and walking when he went to the ER.” Ridiculous!

      • HJ Madison
        05/03/2013 at 11:44 am

        I agree … the ME was good and handled the type-o well. I am just saying that when you read the actual report he does not elaborate at all about the impact a gunshot would have on the brain, in fact he says “without apparent cerebral injury …. although examination is somewhat limited by decomposition …”. And you are right, the skull would have helped, especially to show how the frontal lobe fits.

    • Moon
      05/03/2013 at 10:37 am

      I don’t think they had a copy! they were simply paying attention! WhinesALot brought out from Dr. G that the dura-mater was intact. When Dr. H was back up, she didn’t ask him about it because she wanted him to say his report was accurate and then use it against him. Instead, the juror, after hearing both Dr G and Dr H simply wanted clarification on that part.

  86. Schaeffer
    05/03/2013 at 8:53 am

    Lisa — if you have a way to watch it on television, HLN aired it commercial and commentary free, except during lunch and breaks. They didn’t even break away for the sidebars.

  87. 05/03/2013 at 9:00 am

    Schaeff.. I wanna see the sex pics for research purpposes.. I NEED the evidence to prove to me they really had sex. Cos to me I just find it incomprehensible.

    IF they did.. she must have truly been in angelic/slut mode that day to get him to acquiesce she must have

    1. Convinced him she was truly genuinely sorry for whatever had finally enraged him on the 26th.. and I can’t see that to me he was so through with her he was done. So it must have been one heck of a performance.

    2. Worked REALLY hard to get him aroused enough to fark her… so she must have pulled out every stop in that slut manual of hers too.

    I can’t accept it at the moment. I HAVE to see the proof because it just doesn’t make sense to me. THAT’s why I NEED to see the photos showing it. I need incontrovertible proof so I can say..

    “ok… he did.. wow I really would have sworn he wouldn’t have done that she must have been pulling off the act of her life. What a challenge that would have been to her. She would have been running on adrenaline the whole time. Excited Arousal for hours.”

    At the moment I just say “nup sorry, can’t see it happening I need proof.”

    • Elexa
      05/03/2013 at 9:18 am

      That’s the only thing that I have a hard time with. I just can’t imagine why he would have sex with the psycho and if the jury can’t answer that in their minds, they may have trouble coming to a quick verdict.

      I’d like to see proof too. Maybe she’s just straddling him and is holding the gun on him out of view at the same time.

      • 05/03/2013 at 9:56 am

        doubt she would be holding the gun.. he would have taken the chances and kicked it out of her hand or lunged at her.. he was too scared of her to put up with that crap. I know you aren’t alone in that hypothesis though.. I’m just going on what I feel would have been his reaction based on everything we know of how he felt about her and he was stronger than her.

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 9:57 am

      IMHO, I think you are discounting the role Travis and his good heart and hopeful nature played in this. He only saw JA for what she is toward the end of May. And no doubt he was dumbfounded by it …. how do you actually love a creature like that? She may have been nothing but a “bootey-call”, but think how sweet he was with her and all the nice things he did for her. She likely showed up at his house sobbing and begging forgiveness and he gave in to her. Having lived thru a manipulator like JA, it is SO hard to actually accept them for the psycho they are …. and after the sobbing, they fell asleep together. In the morning it was “make-up” sex, then a chat about Mimi … after all she changed her hair to look like Mimi and Deanna … and the trip to Cancun? …. Travis does not think it a good idea….. Really? And he is slaughtered hours later because she has put up with him long enough. ….

  88. Schaeffer
    05/03/2013 at 9:05 am

    Hey Syn — I see you managed to snag your very own personal pain-in-the-ass. Congratulations! I’ve had one for a couple of weeks now, but I just cruise on by and ignore it. Discretion is the better part of valor, dontcha know?

    • 05/03/2013 at 9:09 am

      hahahahahah yeah .. but see it tells me a lot… that’s what behavioural science is all about! 😀 kinda like the irony in that too! Maybe we should find it flattering? 😛

  89. Schaeffer
    05/03/2013 at 9:12 am

    Tracey A — should you drop in, let me be the first to welcome you and say, hope all is well. If all is not well, hope you are coping. Anything I can do?

  90. 05/03/2013 at 9:17 am

    where’s FOL…. I need to tell her I got my packet of popcorn ready to use later… had to follow her lead after she got my mind playing on the popcorn idea yesterday! Didn’t have to update the liquor cabinet.. cos Juan was so riveting I didn’t hardly touch ‘the bottle” there was no need.

    Have a feeling it’s gonna be a different case tonight! 🙄

  91. Wendy
    05/03/2013 at 9:18 am

    Morning folks. Juan was amazing yesterday. I kept expecting someone to stand up and applaud. Very emotional, as I listened I thought even when we go through lifes roughest storms if we still have our loved ones with us we are very blessed. Travis’ family are very strong. If it were me when this was all over I would fall apart.

    • 05/03/2013 at 9:33 am

      Hi Wendy. How’s your mom doing? Juan was so fantastic. Travis’ family truly inspire me. I have a strong family too, that stick together no matter what, and I am just so proud of them, as I sure Travis is too! Amazing, decent people!

      • Wendy
        05/03/2013 at 9:40 am

        She’s doing good. I was a little concerned yesterday because she didn’t sound like herself but I’m sure it was the meds. She is in a lot of pain. I guess I would be too if they removed part of my lung. Still in CICU I’m not sure how long she will be there. Needless to say this has been a tough week but she is still here and for that I am very thankful.

  92. dpforjodi
    05/03/2013 at 9:20 am

    hi everyone
    Syntara, I have a question for you. Given your knowledge what would life be like for the stein, whether she gets LWOP or the DP?

    • 05/03/2013 at 9:31 am

      Dp.. your nick says it all.. from the education I have received on this blog from those far more knowledgable than I in the matter of what either sentence entails.. .. I think an LWOP, would to her, be a win.

      From what I now understand…the DP however… means virtually no privileges and 23 hours solitary a day. THAT is what she needs.. nothing less.

      Even if I was against the DP for her (I’m usually vehemently against the DP but in this case I’m not)… the very fact it will isolate her from anyone would lead me to fight for it in her case.

      It is the ONLY way she will ever feel punished.. ever feel like she actually lost.. and there should be no drawing material for her… the judge needs to look to the Gacey ruling and take that judges cue. I am sure she won’t but I would be happy dancing indefinitely if she did.

      • Elexa
        05/03/2013 at 9:36 am

        If you don’t mind, what was the Gacey ruling about?

      • Schaeffer
        05/03/2013 at 9:43 am

        ibid — what is the Gacy Law? Are you thinking of BTK that I referenced, or the Son of Sam Law which prohibits profiting from your crime in anyway?

      • 05/03/2013 at 9:50 am

        I meant the ruling in Gacy’s case.. I read somewhere the judge ruled he could not have drawing materials.

        and ya John Wayne Gacy is BTK he named himself that. The guy who did clown shows for kids and was a serial killer who really only got caught cos he made a ridiculous error of believing the cops who said they would not be able to trace anything on a floppy disk if he sent it to them. He communicated with them on it via the newspaper classifieds from memory.

      • 05/03/2013 at 9:48 am

        I’m not a fan of the DP either, but in this case, as in the Chesire, Connecticut home invasion case, I feel that monsters like JA, Joshua Komisarjevsky and Steven Hayes, deserve the DP because of the brutality of their crimes. Maybe, maybe if JA had shown any remorse, or even just said “I’m sorry for taking his life” to his family, I would consider LWOP.

      • Marilyn N
        05/03/2013 at 11:07 am

        If she’s out among others, you can bet she’ll have a fan club.
        And don’t forget, she’s going do her work to help DV victims!

      • 05/03/2013 at 11:09 am

        ahh yes.. LaLa’s posture child.. ain’t that grand! what a gal!! sooooo selfless *fingers down throat*

      • Family of Law
        05/03/2013 at 11:56 am

        Morning Syn 🙂 You’ve been busy, I have a lot to catch up on! This post grabbed my attention when I saw John Wayne Gacy mentioned. That hit close to home! I was in High School when that was all going on in 1978, it was a horrific! Gacy’s “Pogo” paintings were an outrage! Beyond sick!!!! JA really took a page out of Gacy’s play book!!!! A close family friend of ours, “Bob” was with the FBI, and was the profiler who worked with Gacy early on when they were still trying to find out how many victims there were (the bodies in his crawlspace, we’re just the tip of the iceberg!!) Bob told us that when interviewing Gacy, his first sentence was, “John, you impress me, I’m in awe of your skill and intelligence”. I thought that was the most vile thing I’d ever heard, but he explained that Gacy’s profile was such, that in order for him to get details from Gacy, he had to be “his buddy” and “wax his ego”… Those interviews led to finding 3 more bodies near the Des Plaines river. It still makes the news here occasionally, because they still think there were more victims than 33.

        I wonder what an experienced profiler could get out of JA?

      • 05/03/2013 at 12:05 pm

        FOL.. Ive said before… if you can appeal to her ego you hve the best chance to get something out of her. It’s certainly a strategy I would use with her… I would love to meet her face to face I know exactly how I would approach it.

  93. Wendy
    05/03/2013 at 9:25 am

    Hi dp

  94. dpforjodi
    05/03/2013 at 9:40 am

    hi Wendy. How is your mother doing?

  95. dpforjodi
    05/03/2013 at 9:43 am

    I just saw your post above. It’s the meds. Glad she is doing better

    • Wendy
      05/03/2013 at 9:44 am


  96. 05/03/2013 at 9:43 am

    You know what I hated about Juan’s closing yesterday… It was the mirror! I always thought of the high velocity blood spatter on the mirror as him aspirating the blood trying to breath.

    I never equated it with the stab wounds to his head.. him standing there trying to live.. over that sink and her recovering.. coming up behind him and smashing that knife into his head resulting in that blood spatter on the mirror.. him looking up into the mirror as he sank to the floor watching her stab him.

    What the hell was going through his mind right then. That would have happened in slow motion to him.. it is well documented that in situations like that time tends to stand still for the victim. So many thoughts would have ran through his mind as he slid to that floor before trying to crawl to the sanctuary of his bedroom in a vain attempt to get away.

    I had never thought of it quite like that before I just thought of him getting to the basin, leaning over it, hands on the bench top, looking into the mirror trying to breath all the while feeling like he was drowning in his own blood as he watched himself aspirating blood from his windpipe.

    Juan’s explanation, while similar, had crucial elements I had never considered and I find it way worse than I had considered, I did not think that was possible! She is SO evil!!! 😈 SO EVIL!! 😈

    • Schaeffer
      05/03/2013 at 9:57 am

      Why are you referencing “her recovering” here, and in your post above you referenced her being “stunned and recovering” (#3), and “rolling away from him”(#4). Are you saying you believe she was every on the floor? Cause I sure don’t!

      • 05/03/2013 at 10:09 am

        yes I do.. I believe she stabbed him in that seated position.. and he lunged at her from that position.. knocked her down and managed to hve a brief time at that basin…

        She then uses that in her linebacker story… remember how she showed it… that stupid low aeroplane pose? that’s him.. stabbed coming out of the shower and lunging at her.. she is surprised by it… she thought he would collapse in the shower… she is knocked down, hits her head on the tiles.. the knife clinks to the ground.. she then has to recover from that and locate the knife.. then lunges at him when he is in front of the mirror.

    • LindaLou
      05/03/2013 at 10:35 am

      Morning Syn. Picturing this scene during Juan’s closing, I cried because all I could see was how he had to be so scared – like a little boy. Scared, just pure scared. Fighting but somehow knowing you are about to die. How truly, truly sad. Justice cannot come soon enough for this devil.

      • 05/03/2013 at 10:41 am

        ya I tried to depict that in one of my earlier scenarios weeks ago… how she was thinking “he’s getting away.. he’s still alive as she chased him down. It’s a terrible thought. It’s how damn evil and narcissitic she is. and then she sits there pretending to cry about it?? PUHLEASE!!!!!!!

  97. Wendy
    05/03/2013 at 9:47 am

    I cannot understand, no matter how hard I try, how anyone could do that to another person. Its scarry.

  98. Schaeffer
    05/03/2013 at 9:49 am

    Syntara :
    no 115 is upper cut off for high average (100-115 is average span) above 115 is cut off into above average area.
    So 112 is only towards the upper average range. Seems like she has had two tests.. one showed 112 so let’s go with that one.. Perky did so who are we to argue?

    What are you saying “no” to? I am not sure what you are saying here. (I’ve been up a LONG time!)

    • 05/03/2013 at 10:14 am

      no to your comment.. ” it’s nothing special.” . ie no [it’s nothing special] sorry that was ambiguous my apologies.

  99. dpforjodi
    05/03/2013 at 9:51 am

    Syntara what do you think her affect will be today? Sitting there all smug? I hate that woman. I don’t beleive in the death penalty, but for her and a few others, I do.

    • 05/03/2013 at 10:00 am

      No…she’s likely to have that droopy-dog-poor-me look that I just want to slap right off her face!

      • HJ Madison
        05/03/2013 at 10:22 am

        LOL …. and we all wish you could!

    • 05/03/2013 at 10:17 am

      to me all her affects say “look I’m trying to pull this off can’t you see that” but I can see nothing but creepy inappropriate emotional fakery.

      So I just think she will be trying to do the “please someone on the jury feel sorry for me.. please” affect.. which to me will look like… “I’m an evil conniving entity pretending to be a female human”.

  100. dpforjodi
    05/03/2013 at 10:04 am

    with a sock full of shite. And with that gem I’m off to do some chores before the slurm comes on. Bye for now

  101. ringadingding
    05/03/2013 at 10:09 am

    Sorry if this has been verified (so much to read through!) but is it known for sure that Nurmi is doing the closing? JW was the one taking notes yesterday, so I was thinking it would be her…but then someone mentioned that because Nurmi was doing the objectin’ that it would be him.

    • 05/03/2013 at 10:20 am

      Ive personally been wanting some confirmation of it too.. I’m just thinking cos it was he who was objecting.. it means he will. But by no means am I in any position to say he is. I may be barking up the wrong tree.. so need someone to clarify it this is any indication?

      • ringadingding
        05/03/2013 at 10:23 am

        Thanks. I don’t know if I can watch if it’s him.

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 10:34 am

      The judge may let them split their time — she has let them do everything else! Either way, it is just nauseating to think about.

      • ringadingding
        05/03/2013 at 12:01 pm

        Oh no…you could be right! There’s not that much they have to say. How many hours can they fill with sex talk and phony abuse stories? It would take two of them to come up with enough bs to confuse the jury all day and try to make them forget Juan’s closing.

  102. Carmen
    05/03/2013 at 10:20 am

    Good morning everyone. I won’t be able to watch wurmi give his statement today because I’m working, but this is a good thing because I could end up throwing a heavy object at my television out of anger. But I will read the updates here.

    I just wanted to say that I hope the Alexanders find strength amongst each other and in Travis’ memory to endure the filth and lies wurmi will be spewing today. This poor family has been through hell and back. They are such strong, wonderful people. One can definitely see the “class difference” between the Alexanders’ and the Arias’s simply by observing them in court. The Alexanders are dignified. I wish I could reach in to the television and give this family a hug and let them know I truly care about them.

    Have a good day….

  103. ringadingding
    05/03/2013 at 10:21 am

    Also, did anyone else see the live feed after the jury left at the end of the day? The attorneys went to the bench and Jodi turned her chair around to face the gallery. She was clearly acknowledging her family, but I also wondered if she was getting a good close look at who was there for Travis. Her stillness was, to me, bone chilling.

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 10:24 am

      Yes… but did you also think she looked mighty recovered from all those “tears”? I loved that JM pointed out her “crying”.

      • Dewey
        05/03/2013 at 10:30 am

        I actually thought for the first time she looked truly scared and/or shaken up. Not her usual faking. The jury was already gone so there was no one to act for and she didn’t look happy. I might have been reading to much into it, but I was surprised at the way she turned around. Like for the first time she was truly scared and looking for reassurance?

      • ringadingding
        05/03/2013 at 11:57 am

        She sure didn’t look busted up the way she had when the jury was in the room. Her gaze was so purposeful and direct, with a slight smile to her family at one point, I was alarmed.

  104. Wendy
    05/03/2013 at 10:22 am

    Well I’m off to get some errands done before closing time ( although I wouldn’t mind missing the DT). See ya in a few.

    • 05/03/2013 at 10:28 am

      cya soon Wendy.. good to read your mom is doing well

  105. Schaeffer
    05/03/2013 at 10:26 am

    Syntara :
    I meant the ruling in Gacy’s case.. I read somewhere the judge ruled he could not have drawing materials.
    and ya John Wayne Gacy is BTK he named himself that.

    Syn, Syn, Syn — John Wayne Gacy is NOT BTK and neither one of them has a law named after them.

    Gacy was a serial killer in Chicago, who painted hideous clown paintings which he sold, and he claimed they were fraught with meaning which he would never reveal. He performed as a clown. He was executed in 1994.

    David Berkowitz was a serial killer in New York City who was known as Son of Sam, because he said the neighbor’s dog, Sam, was telling him to kill. He is serving six life sentences. The Son of Sam law is named after him, and it prevents the criminal from profiting through the sale of his story, interviews, childhood photos, and stuff like that. Almost every state has a Son of Sam Law, but they vary from state to state. Some states extend the law to cover relatives, friends, and even neighbors from making a profit. Some states allow the stories and other things to be sold, but the profits go to the families of the victim.

    BTK is a serial killer from Wichita, KS, and his alter ego is Dennis Rader. (Read that sentence, and think about it.) BTK was a psychosexual sadist and named himself to reflect his modus operandi, Bind Torture Kill. Because he spent endless hours drawing torture devices, images of women being tortured, images of himself bound and tortured, cutting pictures out of magazines and even the ad circulars that come in the Sunday paper and gluing them to 3×5 cards which he then embellished with his drawings . . . you can see where this is going . . .when he was sentenced, the DA had it attached to his sentence that he could not have any writing materials or paper, and very limited reading materials, which could not include any photos or illustrations AT ALL. These restrictions apply over and above whatever the rules of the incarcerating institution might be. He is also prohibited from earning privileges to get any of these types of materials.

    I know BTK.

    • 05/03/2013 at 10:34 am

      yayaya my bad Gacy is the clown… but not BTK BTK is Dennis Rader oopsies.. my bad..

      confuszzled it.. BTK ie Dennis Rader is the one that I think the judge ruled he wasn’t allowed to have drawing materials in his cell.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/03/2013 at 10:36 am

      A BTK type cropped up recently in Texas to kill the District attorney and the Judge who had convicted him of a crime. he was a second tier law enforcement person, like that monster BTK.

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 10:37 am

      Now I have to know …. unless you don’t want to say …. how do you know BTK?

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/03/2013 at 11:05 am

        me? just read about him when it happened.

  106. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/03/2013 at 10:33 am

    Good day all! Syntara I am with you (“sometimes the best response is not to play”) in other matters as well!—I dont think the sex video or pics happened; I’d like to see em as well. I think every pic of them from that day is in evidence. I also have always thought she had camera around her neck the whole time. She thought he’d die in the shower after puncturing his heart and sac. The flash- the only use I think – was to partially blind him. I’ve never been convinced the “slouching pic, him on floor lower torso, was before she knifed him. The only explanation that seemed reasonable to me was camera was with her the whole time. Cameras dont “go off” when on the floor, or when “kicked” –certainly not more than once in any scenario – and all her efforts were when he didnt die from the stab wound.The rope was a combo of things: she needed to get the knife in there and she liked seeing Dodgy Doc squirm about and pantt when she talked of being tied up.

    Schaeffer you had some great insights into wobo and into the killing itself. Your connecting the child back with the adult in front of the mirror was quite poignant for me. Your description of her now is scary and screaming authentic, so I hope its message spreads beyond the sandbox.

    I’m finishing up some reading I missed. NancyB brought the I-dare-you-not-to-cry-when-you-read-this-knowing-what-you-know-poem.. Bubblebutts was on a roll; some great slingers and zingers.. And Moon’s playlet about the BFFs was funny and infuriating at the same time. Brava!

    While taking the tram during a sunny Rotterdam afternoon, I was thinking that what impressed me the most with Juan’s closing, was his combination of the stark, realistic, blunt, by-th- rules- language, with bits of tender and insightfull, even poetic language. And not just language, but movement. He spoke slowly and with tenderness of Travis walking, trying to run, grabbing the wall as he is falling and while doing so, he slowed down his own walking and movement. He seemed to float in slow motion as he brought Travis to his knees to be butchered like a lamb in the Bible.We were there, we could feel it.And not by screaming “she punged the knife in 29 times! Count ’em ladies and gentlemen! 29 times! damningNo. It was quiet and soft, and respectfull and utterly damning all at the same time
    The footprints in the sand, the smell of gasoline of hands, are sprinkled, not gushed..

    He never forgot to acknowledge that it was the JURY that was lied to. That FAKES and LIARS talked to THEM.

    I’ve often used a thought of J.D. Salinger that has helped me judge people and artworks or performances. He wrote once, talking of he craft, that “writers were “sentimental” when they liked a character more than the reader liked the character. At “showtime” the grade A authors are in tune with their readers; they dont write with blinders on or pontificate to them. They respect them. They have earned the respect of the reader and don’t want to lose that.

    Sometimes I can see a work, that “likes itself” so much that I can’t get a thought in edgewise. Or I’ll meet someone who speaks in platitudes about major and minor events in life, never distinguishing. Or hear a song that expects me to “feel” sadness or anger just because the lyrics say to while not evoking them. . They all “mean” well; and none are not “bad”, its just riding on the storm of other events or taking a feeling from the card rack.

    Juan is second to none in the search for justice, caring for victims, breakiung down a liar, or showing the connection of events in court. But he never TELLS you he is; he doesn’t SHOUT about ideals and fairness or SAY how important his work is. he simply – and quite elegantly – works and lets THAT speak for itself.

    That’s the meaning of the Latin phrase used in courts sometimes:” res ipsa loquiter” — the thing speaks for itself.

    His closing was not sentimental; it was authentic. As a group, we have shared many thoughts and as a group we shared the artistry of the Juan.

    • 05/03/2013 at 10:39 am

      Robert… great summary, great insights, great observations. Nothing else to say about that really! Absolute pleasure to read you 😀 (soz could not resist the smiley! )

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/03/2013 at 10:44 am


    • Lisa M
      05/03/2013 at 12:55 pm

      I agree with you, Robert, Juan was masterful. The only area of his closing that bothered me (other than the details that I think he left out) was that I fear he may have come off as a tad condescending, as if he was telling the jury he didn’t trust that they’d vote the correct verdict. He told them that Jodi had lied and tried to manipulated them– and it’s true, she did. But when he ended with “She wants you to carry the gas can for her, don’t let her do that” (paraphrase) it’s like he was saying, “If you vote anything other than first degree, you’re her patsy,” and I don’t think juries like that. So I think Juan should have played to the jurors’ intelligence more, and been a little bit more adept at suggesting and not telling. I remember one of the defense attorneys on HLN during the Casey Anthony trial saying that juries don’t like to be told what to do, they want to make up their own minds, and it was the one time I agreed with a defense attorney during that trial. The ME in that case said X,Y, and Z happened, and there’s no way anyone with a brain can think otherwise. And that may have been true, but juries want to be the ones who decide, so you have to be careful you don’t insult their intelligence or diminish their sense of agency. They are responsible for the verdict– don’t tell them, ask them to deliver the verdict they want. Don’t say, you have to do this or that, which is kind of what Juan did IMO.

      • Lisa M
        05/03/2013 at 1:10 pm

        I’m not talking about the whole closing; I’m just talking about the last part, I think he just went a little bit too far with telling the jury she had manipulated them and that if they didn’t vote for first degree then she’d continue to manipulate them. It’s kind of like he was compensating for not closing with “Remember what she said, that no jury would convict her; mark my words, etc.” by overdoing it. That’s just my opinion of course and I hope I’m wrong and it doesn’t have a negative effect on the jury.

  107. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/03/2013 at 10:43 am

    ringadingding :
    Thanks. I don’t know if I can watch if it’s him.

    I’m not sure I can watch if its her. I couldn’t go back and watch her opening, even though I missed it. I can’t re-watch a second of his stuff. So it’s looking more and more like a mute, while I read the comments. Sometimes,you just gotta rely on your fellow sandboxers!

    • Marilyn N
      05/03/2013 at 10:48 am

      It’ll be hard to watch either one of them – haha!
      Wonder what persona little Jodi will latch onto today!!

      • HJ Madison
        05/03/2013 at 11:00 am

        Little Jodi will probably have her hair in ponytails, all smiles, and ready to listen!

    • Nienna
      05/03/2013 at 10:50 am

      I don’t want to watch either of them!!

      • 05/03/2013 at 10:53 am

        Niether do I wanna watch either of em.. so who’s going to do the reporting?? 😀 shall we mute it and just make it up based on what we are seeing?? that might be fun!

      • Marilyn N
        05/03/2013 at 10:55 am

        Aaaaaaa – come-on, admit it, we’ll all be taking little peeks just like Jodi did yesterday at the death pictures! hahahaha

      • Nienna
        05/03/2013 at 11:02 am

        Syn – That’s a great idea!!

  108. Nienna
    05/03/2013 at 10:50 am

    Morning all!!

  109. Kristi
    05/03/2013 at 10:50 am

    Syntara :
    nother thing.. notice along with the camera being there.. and it being her responsiblity cos Travis sure as hell didn’t bring it there…

    he also says… she has the gun and the knife… but he doesn’t explain.. where she had the gun or the knife.. but he infers she had them on her.
    Why not include an explanation of how she ‘had’ them?
    Because at this stage it is unnecessary.. let the defense deal with that.. then he will bring in his explanation at the very end if necessary.

    Juan did explain this. He said that when she went into TA’s home that morning, she had several items, including her purse that was large enough to contain the small gun and the knife. Did anyone else notice that when the WOBO was crying and covering her face with her hands (croakerqueen part 2 at about minute 54) her bent finger was totally straight, then like 5 minutes later, Juan mentioned it and bam, those freaky hands came down!

    • 05/03/2013 at 10:56 am

      nah.. thats only how she got it to the house.. that’s something else you are referring to .I’m talking about the camera being with her to take the inadvertent photos during the attack.

      • 05/03/2013 at 10:59 am

        that post is a continuation of my previous one to that.. which is why you thought I meant how she got the weapons to the house. I see the confusion now.

      • Kristi
        05/03/2013 at 11:10 am

        Oh right. He didn’t explain logistically how she carried/held/switched out the camera, knife and gun during the exact window of the murder.

    • Nienna
      05/03/2013 at 11:01 am

      Didn’t notice that. But interesting. Gonna watch the video!

  110. Marilyn N
    05/03/2013 at 10:54 am

    Someone on the HLN shows last night suggested all of Jstein’s massive note taking
    yesterday was information for her attorney’s to use in their rebut today. Do you think they waited
    until last night to put their speech together?
    What a nightmare of a defendant for those two. Willnut REALLY looked exhaustedly tired yesterday!

    • 05/03/2013 at 10:58 am

      yah.. her coming up with version 4556 to explain or the points Juan brought up.. good the more she has input.. the more ridiculous her stories become.. I say let her.. cos at least it will be something to laugh at during an otherwise boring closing by [probably] the Nurm

      • Marilyn N
        05/03/2013 at 11:00 am

        Yes, NurmWorm! – Please entertain us!!

  111. Anonymous
    05/03/2013 at 10:58 am

    Question for you smart people: I am confused about the CD thing. I know she said something about the scratched CDs at sometime and then taking other CDs to him???? Explain the whole CD thing – it’s confusing me. Thanks so much. 🙂

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 11:08 am

      Oh dear … it “prompted” another over the desk “rape” …. according to LaLa. Supposedly when she arrived June 4 she had brought CD’s of their church history trip – which I think she said TA had been wanting. TA’s computer had a virus. He tried to look at the CD’s but he said they were scratched. He threw them across the room at her, screaming, and he grapped her, throw her over the desk, and had sex from behind …. according to JA, of course, and supported by LaLa.

    • 05/03/2013 at 11:15 am

      … and what Juan is suggesting.. is that in fact the CD’s were ‘in’ that day with Travis… there was no other reason for her to have taken them.. nobody else on her propsed trip woulld have been interested in them.

      So she gets into his house to ‘surprise’ him and…….”oh look Travis.. I’ve brought you the CD’s” (I think also she rocked up with the car payment cheque also) anyhow.. that’s how she got him complacent.. she was on her best behaviour and that was her way in.

      Soooooo evil! So conniving… .. Soooo deliberate.

  112. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/03/2013 at 11:00 am

    Syntara :
    Niether do I wanna watch either of em.. so who’s going to do the reporting?? shall we mute it and just make it up based on what we are seeing??
    that might be fun!

    Let's sign up Moon for the project. Tonight–you the voice. listen or not. your choice.

    • 05/03/2013 at 11:05 am

      yeah… yeah.. she can use her 007 go go gadget phone to transcribe it for us!

  113. jennifer
    05/03/2013 at 11:07 am

    Does anyone know what the final “big argument” was about? the one that was Travis telling her she is the wrorst thing that has ever happened to him? I know his friend Taylor knew about it but he never says what they are arguing about? What had she done to finally piss him off?

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/03/2013 at 11:11 am

      My guess is that only 3 people know. One of whom is unknowable; the other was known and is, but is no more, and then wobo.
      Ive looked about but I have only found speculation. Perhaps we will be enlightened.

      • Jill
        05/03/2013 at 11:41 am

        Don’t u think it could b that jodi threatened to release this sex tape (which travis had known nothing about) out to he public?

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 11:27 am

      According to Sky Hughes, recently on Dr. Drew, they (his friends and family) have all tried to figure out what prompted the May 26 exchange. Only Wobo can tell us ….

    • 05/03/2013 at 11:32 am

      I thinks it’s a clumination of everthing that Skye had warned him about and one final thing…. is this around the same time as the bullshite half email to Steve Carrell guy she invented?

      It can’t be easy to come up with cos in her interview on that was it Dr Drew? clip Marilyn posted for me…. Skye Hughes said they have racked their brains forever to come up with what it was and they can’t.

  114. 05/03/2013 at 11:08 am

    hahahahaha I love the wilderbeast migration….. that’s her around his head after she slit his throat and trying to work out what to do after he has finally succumbed to her knife attack and throat slashing.

    yeah in fog my ARSE!!!

  115. Marilyn N
    05/03/2013 at 11:10 am

    Juan forgot to mention the hidden message in the magazines, but I guess there was so
    much he couldn’t get it all in.

    I can imagine J-stein trying to have someone sneak in a turkey baster full of sperm donations so she can be a prison mom!!

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 11:16 am

      Shoot! That is right!! Oh I bet JM was kicking himself last night!! Maybe he will be able to use it today, in rebuttal … it is so powerful. I think he was going there when he talked about all the people she had manipulated and would continue ….

    • 05/03/2013 at 11:36 am

      Marilyn.. he’s still got his rebuttal coming hasn’t he? … and that kind of stuff might come into play after the sleazy defense closing. He left a lot of things he could have clarified and didn’t. A bunch of things he could have mentioned but didnt. I believe it’s his strategy. Don’t give everything until you hear what they say first and don’t give them any extra ammunition to muddy the water for the Jurors.

      Keeo it as neat and clear as possible seems to be his approach.

      • Lisa M
        05/03/2013 at 11:48 am

        You’re probably right, Syntara. After all, he’s Juan and we’re mere mortals. 🙂 I just can’t imagine him leaving things out because he forgot to mention them. But he mentioned all of the reasons why Travis didn’t have a gun and the way she embellished her stories and would improvise, not being able to remember all of her lies, yet never mentioned the holster, which Detective Flores just talked about during the rebuttal. He also could have spoken more about the fog and that her testimony seemed to indicate that she both knew Travis was dead and didn’t know he was dead at the same time, and how she not only covered her tracks by meeting Ryan, but she also called Travis’ cell phone, while she was still in the car, supposedly right after she came out of the fog.
        Remember how she said, some girl put the idea in her mind, or suggested she call him, or some ridiculous thing like that. Yet another reason of how she doesn’t take responsibility for her behavior and blames other people for what she does.
        I just think he left SO much out!

      • 05/03/2013 at 11:56 am

        ya I think he realises the jury will remember a lot of it.. all he had to do was explain her, show she is still lying and walk them through why they need to give her 1st degree murder guilty.. even on what he gave them let alone all the rest they can build onto it. That’s my take on what he did anyway.

    • Lisa M
      05/03/2013 at 11:43 am

      That’s a good point, Marilyn. He never came back to the hidden message. And there are other things he didn’t mention: the holster, the calls to Travis after the fog lifted. There are so many things with that girl, it’s unbelievable, I guess he couldn’t mention all of them.

  116. Family of Law
    05/03/2013 at 11:10 am

    Good Morning everyone! It was such a Juanderful day yesterday! My son (who has been watching this trial as closely as us) surprised us by taking the train out here from the city last night. He missed Juan’s closing because he was in classes all day- So he and I watched the HLN coverage I DVR’d…. He was LOVING Juan! He kept blurting out, “Ha!” “YES!” and “Atta boy Juan!” I was glad to rewatch, because I caught a few things I missed. It was even better, the 2nd time around!!!!!

    I’m bracing myself for Wurmster’s last trashing of Travis today, dreading his S L O W delivery of all the lies and graphic perverted crapola! I heard Wurmi is feeling “under the weather”, maybe his cold medicine will speed him up?

    Now I will head upstairs, and see whatcha all have been up to 🙂

    • Marilyn N
      05/03/2013 at 11:13 am

      Yes, we may be in court until midnight if the judge insists on finishing today, which
      I am hoping she does!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/03/2013 at 11:14 am

      About the “right” causes or “good” advice,every positive story about the next generation pleases

  117. HJ Madison
    05/03/2013 at 11:11 am

    No, RnR,… Schaeffer said in the last line “I know BTK” ….

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 11:13 am

      Gees I have a terrible time puttings in the correct place …. this goes upstairs, under current #291 …

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/03/2013 at 11:15 am

      okidoki. (didnt want to make assumptions) 🙂

    • Jill
      05/03/2013 at 11:32 am

      I know.. I’m dying to know how Schaeffer knows him

    • 05/03/2013 at 11:38 am

      think she was speaking metaphorically… but maybe she was speaking literally and I jumped to the wrong conclusion. I never took it as her meaning it literally.. guess cos she used BTK rather than Dennis Rader.

      • Jill
        05/03/2013 at 11:39 am

        Yes, maybe that’s it. I take everything so literally.

  118. Anonymous
    05/03/2013 at 11:31 am

    Thanks to all for the Cd explanation above. Help me with this . . . I thought she said she & Travis DIDN’T have sex when she first arrived. They went to sleep first. Still confused. 🙂

  119. Jill
    05/03/2013 at 11:31 am

    I have been thinking all night about how sweet it would be if all of travis’ family and supporters didn’t come in court today and every one of the seats on their side of the courtroom was empty…..that would make such a loud statement saying “hey, we r done. We heard what we needed to. Anything else today is pure crap and we don’t need to hear it. We’ll b back for the verdict.”

    Just a little fantasy of mine I wanted to share with u!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/03/2013 at 11:41 am

      I LOVE it. Gosh great great great idea. All it takes is one person to get it going amongst them. Screw the duh- fence. TA’s side were all classy, well dressed and behaved. They sat through it all. This is just a REPEAT of info. How striking such a move would be. They would have earned the right to be that bold.

      • Jill
        05/03/2013 at 11:45 am

        Yes, they would still all have to show up and get their seats to make sure no one else would fill them in. Then , right before the jury is brought in, they can get up and silently leave.

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 11:52 am

      PERFECT! What a wonderful idea!!

  120. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/03/2013 at 11:37 am

    Dept of collateral info: My copy of Wendy Murphy’s book arrived. Well. Well, first of all she was good on the radio and om this case. And, the book is a paperback, about $13 and a reprint from 2007 with “new information” about the Ramsey case. There is no index or footnotes so zipping to particulars (like “Ramsey” )is gonna give ya a hard time.
    Looks very readable. Like a series of magazine articles about how unfair things are and how stuff is kept from “the people.” Normally I wouldn’t pay money for anything written by Bill O’Reilly- but he does write the forward and she does mention him a lot in the book.
    This is NOT a review. This is getting impressions from a cover and a zip thru.

    • 05/03/2013 at 11:40 am

      foreward by Bill O’reilly? 😯

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/03/2013 at 11:45 am

        Doc J!!!! Where are you???Give Syntara the ROR test. Dr Hayes says ittakes 5 minutes!!!

      • 05/03/2013 at 11:54 am


    • Lisa M
      05/03/2013 at 12:27 pm

      I love Wendy Murphy, but I couldn’t believe how many times she plugged her book on that radio show she was a guest on. I think even the hostess was a little bit taken back. I’d love to know what this new information on the Ramsey case is all about!

  121. dpforjodi
    05/03/2013 at 11:41 am

    Oh Robert you have such a way with words

  122. Lisa M
    05/03/2013 at 11:41 am

    Dewey :
    Im sure most people, if they had to kill in self-defense, would choose to sit in jail for 2 years knowing they face prison time or worse, before finally telling the truth about what really happened. She thinks this is believable?

    Exactly: it’s like the Casey Anthony case. She sat in jail for a couple of years too, didn’t she, before she finally told “the truth”: that Caylee drowned and George disposed of the body– yeah, that was believable, too! Still can’t believe she got away with it!

  123. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/03/2013 at 11:45 am

    wheresthejustice :
    Morning all! Just remember……
    “If you live in ‘The Light of Truth’, ya Ain’t Gotta Remember Nothin’!”

    Ahhhhh…..the wise words of the Dahlie (sp) Juana!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/03/2013 at 11:46 am


      • Jill
        05/03/2013 at 11:49 am

        A great new nickname for us to adopt……our Dalai Juana!
        U guys r too funny

    • 05/03/2013 at 11:55 am

      ROFL!!! CiCi and the Lady’s of the Circle….Dalai Juana…..luv it!!!!!

  124. dpforjodi
    05/03/2013 at 11:48 am

    Dalai Juana
    I love it

  125. Moon
    05/03/2013 at 11:50 am

    Good Morning wonderful people!!

    I don’t have the anxious butterflies like i did yesterday… just a sick feeling cuz no matter which one of the idiots talks for the duhfense it is gonna be painful!

  126. dpforjodi
    05/03/2013 at 11:51 am

    hey CCC, I missed Corrie last night. Is it true about William Roache? Off topic I know, forgive me

  127. 05/03/2013 at 11:53 am

    I just re-read my scenario I posted in here a while back… me and Juan got it goin on! 😀 two glaring difference tho…. Her stabbing him in the head to get the aspirated blood spatter I just have him gasping for air…. . and I had him sliding to the floor as she stabbed him in the back and head there… then I had him crawling down the hall collapsing at the bedroom. Juan has him still upright for most of that.

    Plus I hadn’t updated it for the camera being on the strap the whole time.. still had her taking it off as she got up off the floor when he knocked her down as he escaped, stabbed in the chest from the shower..

    Both the actual attack changes make it even worse to me!!

    • Lisa M
      05/03/2013 at 12:22 pm

      The more I’m reading everyone’s posts, the more I’m remembering what Juan said during his closing and the less I’m remembering about what he didn’t say. That was one thing that was truly horrifying: the image of him aspirating blood and the rest of it– his back to the wall, etc. It wasn’t about tying together every little piece of evidence; it was about painting the true picture of what happened. Someone had to finally bring reality back into that courtroom, and hopefully Juan drove home the horror of what she put him through for each and every juror.

      • 05/03/2013 at 12:27 pm

        yep you got it now girl. concentrate on what he did say cos it was awesome in it’s pointedness

  128. 05/03/2013 at 11:53 am

    Is there anybody here who thinks they will be able to sit through Nurmi droning on and on and on, spewing JA’s lies for hours? I don’t think I have the stomach for it. Wimping out, I know! I just feel for TA’s family, because if they thought yesterday was bad, today promises to be much, much worse. I hope Nurmi manages to control himself with the sex talk, but I know he won’t because that’s all he’s got, ugh. Any guesses on how many times we hear the words “whore”, “three-hole wonder”, “slut”? I’m getting queasy just thinking about it.

    • Lisa M
      05/03/2013 at 12:01 pm

      Catbyte, I’m with you! I don’t think I’ll be able to stomach it, and I too feel so badly that Travis’ family has to endure another day of their brother getting bashed and lied about. I think Juan did a great job debunking the pedophilia story yesterday, but I’m sure they’re bracing themselves because they know (as do we) that Nurmi is going to bring it all up again! I was wondering if he’ll be allowed to play that recording again or show the text messages– I hope not but I think probably– because you know he’s going to just bash, bash, bash Travis. It won’t be pretty, and oh, yeah, I’m sure we’ll hear those words you mentioned because Nurmi just loves to say them!

    • 05/03/2013 at 12:01 pm

      CB4…it’s gonna be tough….but I think we owe it to ourselves and to TA and his family to sit through it. Plus it will be worth it to see them attempt one more time to make complete asses of themselves!!! Not to mention….which one of JA many personas is going to show up today!!!

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 12:03 pm

      You know …. the DT can not piss off the jury …. so unless they think they have already really sold their story …. I don’t know …. probably wishful thinking …

  129. Lisa M
    05/03/2013 at 11:56 am

    Lisa M :
    You’re probably right, Syntara. After all, he’s Juan and we’re mere mortals. I just can’t imagine him leaving things out because he forgot to mention them. But he mentioned all of the reasons why Travis didn’t have a gun and the way she embellished her stories and would improvise, not being able to remember all of her lies, yet never mentioned the holster, which Detective Flores just talked about during the rebuttal. He also could have spoken more about the fog and that her testimony seemed to indicate that she both knew Travis was dead and didn’t know he was dead at the same time, and how she not only covered her tracks by meeting Ryan, but she also called Travis’ cell phone, while she was still in the car, supposedly right after she came out of the fog.
    Remember how she said, some girl put the idea in her mind, or suggested she call him, or some ridiculous thing like that. Yet another reason of how she doesn’t take responsibility for her behavior and blames other people for what she does.
    I just think he left SO much out!

    I just wanted to ask a question (or two) — do you think that given all Juan left out of his close (and I missed the first hour, so if he did mention some of the above, sorry!) it was because he wanted to stay focused on recreating the sequence of events as Travis experienced them, and tell Travis’ story (as we know he did so well) and that if he had tied every last detail together, he wouldn’t have been able to do that as effectively?
    Or do you think that he knows the majority of the jury already knows what’s up– based on their own incisive questions– and he was going for those one or two jurors who may have bonded with Jodi and/or bought her story, and therefore he focused on the fact that she lied to the jury and that she’s trying to manipulate them, etc, and mentioned ALV’s lies as well, in order to sway those jurors back to the truth?

  130. HJ Madison
    05/03/2013 at 11:57 am

    Jill: How is your hubby? All go ok? Did you miss much of Juanderful?

    • Jill
      05/03/2013 at 12:27 pm

      Awww. U r so sweet to ask! He’s doing great! since he’s home from work for a few days, I actually got him on board to watch with me! Can’t believe it, but he is into it with me.
      His surgery was delayed a few hrs and the live stream kept going out on me so I missed most. Gonna catch up today..
      I really am dying to watch live today but hubby wants to finish Juan first….I snuck in a little live while he was on a business call…
      We r bout to go finish Juan.,.
      U r so kind to remember my hubby. Ty!

  131. Moon
    05/03/2013 at 12:00 pm

    I am looking forward to Juan’s final closing!!!!, and no matter how awful and hateful the duhfense closing is, I know I will/must watch it! too much invested in at this point

    I know Juanderful will be brilliant!

  132. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/03/2013 at 12:00 pm

    I dunno.Maybe I’m still dreamingofJuan – I dont speak out names, so I get to stay in bed – but he also gave me an insight I hadn’t had before. Just had never seen it with that particular focus point.
    If memory serves, after showing an early pattern to searching about and grabbing a guy to live with or off,, he evokes a sense of her “prowling” the Mormon Church for available guys. Then I thought of the likes of Sandusky and prowling kids in a charity or the scores of priests who prowled the hallways of schools and churches. And then I thought of pedophiles in general. And then I thought of how wobo used that particular slander and slur and lieagainst Travis. And then I thought HA! It takes a prowler to know what a prowler does. Thanks Juan.

  133. HJ Madison
    05/03/2013 at 12:04 pm

    HLN saying that Juror #8 is in the court today — wow

  134. 05/03/2013 at 12:04 pm

    juror #8 is in the court room

    • 05/03/2013 at 12:07 pm

      oh really I want to see him!!!

    • Family of Law
      05/03/2013 at 12:15 pm

      Wow!!!! I’m so glad you spotted that!!! Good for him that he got a seat, he deserves to be here for the final!

  135. Moon
    05/03/2013 at 12:09 pm

    and awaaaaaaaay we go!!

  136. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/03/2013 at 12:09 pm

    Lisa M :

    I just think he left SO much out!

    Ma! what’s with woman and her ‘half smile’????Why didnt he have her laugh out loud?

    Now children, this is a picture of a bombing of the city of Guerinica. Unfortuneately,the painter used black & white, but you can imagine colors. If you do you get an A.

    Teacher, is that particular organ of that big guy David, made to size or no?

    Artist, my dear. Artists.

    • 05/03/2013 at 12:15 pm


    • Lisa M
      05/03/2013 at 12:16 pm

      Okay, Robert, I think you’re saying Juan is an artist and I’m a child who doesn’t understand art? But you wouldn’t be that condescending, would you? 🙂

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/03/2013 at 1:28 pm


  137. NancyB
    05/03/2013 at 12:09 pm

    Syntara :
    hahahhaha I am going to re watch it and pick some out too

    Ohhh, good, Syn! That would be great!

    • 05/03/2013 at 12:11 pm

      gonna be hard to come up with new ones though… think all the goodes have been covered.. maybe I’ll concentrate on the more subtle ones 😀

      • NancyB
        05/03/2013 at 12:22 pm

        Any and ALL are welcome, as far as I am concerned. I want a full list because even the ones that have already been posted during the last 4 months, due to pea brain, I can’t recall well enough to be able to automatically remember them well enough to repeat. Pea brain problem, here. 🙂

  138. 05/03/2013 at 12:10 pm

    oh yeah.. poor guy! I feel so bad for him.. and I usually don’t have sympathy for DUI’s

  139. Moon
    05/03/2013 at 12:10 pm

    Juror CEO is in the court!!!

    • 05/03/2013 at 12:12 pm

      Moon.. did you see the role Robert and I have nominated you for?

      • Moon
        05/03/2013 at 12:16 pm

        lol yeah … but daaaayum i’m not sure I am up for putting “words” in the wurmi nurmi’s …. it’s gonna be foul foul foul foul.

      • 05/03/2013 at 12:23 pm

        hahahaha wel’ll just play a drinking game with any sexual reference.. then we’ll all be on the floor in minutes

  140. jennifer
    05/03/2013 at 12:12 pm

    how funny would it be if during one of his LOOOOONG pauses Nurmi all the sudden keels over & strokes out….fat ass! people that defend these killers are just as guilty as the killer themselves. i don’t believe for one second he believes in his clients “story”

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 12:13 pm

      OMG … and then we have to go thru this trial again!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/03/2013 at 1:36 pm


  141. Lisa M
    05/03/2013 at 12:12 pm

    Syntara :
    yeah I need a good scrub down after watching Nurmi or Jodistein… both disgust me. Perky irritates me but it’s more because she presents as a giggly school girl and I find her behaviour totally inappropriate and misguided, plus she seems to have no idea what she is doing but seems to think she is pulling it off despite that. She isn’t!!

    Did you notice Perky and Smirky having a good chuckle together yesterday when Juan was talking about Smirky’s old boyfriends? Wonder what that was about.

  142. Moon
    05/03/2013 at 12:13 pm

    Hey HOOOO i see your hair is tied back… you must have forgot that Juan still has another go! how you gonna cover that ugly evil face of yours without ur freaking hair?? oh my bad… you still have those ugly huge murderous hands!

    • Jill
      05/03/2013 at 12:28 pm


  143. Family of Law
    05/03/2013 at 12:13 pm

    Syntara :
    where’s FOL…. I need to tell her I got my packet of popcorn ready to use later… had to follow her lead after she got my mind playing on the popcorn idea yesterday! Didn’t have to update the liquor cabinet.. cos Juan was so riveting I didn’t hardly touch ‘the bottle” there was no need.
    Have a feeling it’s gonna be a different case tonight!

    Here I am… Yeah Syn! You got popcorn!!!! Although, today might be a liquor day!!! Heya, I might go two-fisted!!!!

    • 05/03/2013 at 12:17 pm

      me got both sweets.. me got both!!!

  144. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/03/2013 at 12:15 pm

    on mute but I see the in front of judge. my guess is that they want to split the closing. wobo dressed “in black” this is as close to an “opening night” she has ever had.The people – I use the word with some hesitation -behind her are laughing and chatting, like at the minutes before the overture starts.

  145. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/03/2013 at 12:15 pm

    Ahhhh geeeezzzz…..Shrek is up!

    • Family of Law
      05/03/2013 at 12:18 pm


  146. 05/03/2013 at 12:15 pm

    The word ‘sex’ in the first line…..shocker!!!!

  147. NancyB
    05/03/2013 at 12:16 pm

    Schaeffer :
    For the “Juan’s gems” list —
    “This is an individual who will stop at nothing, and who will continue to be manipulative
    and will lie at every turn.”
    In other words, EVER letting her out of prison would not only be a mistake, it would be dangerous.

    Marilyn – You are a sweetheart! I can’t tell you how happy these make me!!! Juan’s closing is a GOLD MINE! But any and ALL from this trial would be excellent. The good, the bad and the ugly. Please, as many of you as possible please start posting them so we can make a collection while the jury is deliberating. For some reason these calm me down when I get edgy about all of what this trial represents – which is A LOT. Hugs to all! 🙂

  148. 05/03/2013 at 12:17 pm

    Bored already!

  149. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/03/2013 at 12:17 pm

    remember earlier when I was talking of the “sentimental” FEAR LOVE SEX LIES and DIRTY LITTLE SECRETS! hows that for an opening?

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/03/2013 at 12:19 pm

      marriage agreement: will you play the case on YOUR computer so I can hear the case because I can’t both watch and listen?
      Ok .
      Thanks. Love you.

    • Family of Law
      05/03/2013 at 12:19 pm

      Spot on!!!! (Mornin Robert:)

    • 05/03/2013 at 12:20 pm

      dammit I missed his opening… my feed lost audio due to internal probs and had to restart

      • Family of Law
        05/03/2013 at 12:26 pm

        You missed nothing 🙂

  150. HJ Madison
    05/03/2013 at 12:19 pm

    No crafting today! And no “hair curtain”.

  151. brightgirl58
    05/03/2013 at 12:19 pm

    What? WOBO’s at rapt attention? She’s watching her favorite movie – the one about her. It’s all about her

    • Lisa M
      05/03/2013 at 12:23 pm


  152. HJ Madison
    05/03/2013 at 12:20 pm

    Oh great call JM! “How your verdict will be received” …. slime ball!

  153. 05/03/2013 at 12:20 pm

    Who are the gentlemen on Travis’s side. The one with a green t-shirt and the one with a striped shirt. Are they family members? Both of them were there yesterday.

  154. 05/03/2013 at 12:21 pm

    Okay Juan….ya cud’ve given your brother a new shirt to wear today!!!

  155. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/03/2013 at 12:21 pm

    Ok real original: He’s thinking…. I can us, Sex LIES and videotape? No it was audio, Shit . Ok. I’ll use SEX LIES and DIRTY LITTLE SECRETS

  156. jennifer
    05/03/2013 at 12:21 pm

    my theory of why a stabbing vs shooting, when it would be fastwer & easier to shoot someone is that she didn’t know if the roomates would be home to hear a gun shot, so she stabbed instead…then once she had looked around to make sure no-one was there she did the fiinal gunshot, just to make sure, in case decappitation didn’t kill him

  157. HJ Madison
    05/03/2013 at 12:21 pm

    Poor Grandma is SLEEPING! Likely medicated to endure this!

    • Jill
      05/03/2013 at 12:30 pm

      My hubby said, no they didn’t need to medicate her. He says he doesn’t think they are even affected. They aren’t that type of family.

      • Jill
        05/03/2013 at 12:38 pm


  158. 05/03/2013 at 12:22 pm

    Watching Juans closing from yesterday.

  159. Family of Law
    05/03/2013 at 12:22 pm

    He’s begging the jury!!! Pathetic!!! Where’s the facts? Where’s the EVIDENCE to support your “claims” Wurm???

  160. 05/03/2013 at 12:22 pm

    Poor grandma, has to sit next to donoman, Just to be there at all takes alot of courage on her part. Can Wurmi speak and slower? I think I am going to go plant my gladiolas.

  161. 05/03/2013 at 12:22 pm

    Morning all Grandma sitting next to Dunnoman and has to close her eyes poor things

  162. 05/03/2013 at 12:23 pm

    WTF?????????? 9 days out of 10????

  163. HJ Madison
    05/03/2013 at 12:23 pm

    Oh all smiles about Nurmi not liking her ….

  164. SeniorMoments
    05/03/2013 at 12:23 pm

    Nurmi knows that he has one juror and he’s playing to that one! “Be strong!” “Don’t be afraid”

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 12:24 pm

      NO JOKE!!!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/03/2013 at 12:30 pm

      “the world at large” Wormi says. Yeah. Ok. Have the couarge of your conviction. You are saked to look at the evidence. And what this case was about. He’s now saying its not about SNOW WHITE

      senior Mome–I thought the same. It sall zeroed to give one a reason.

  165. 05/03/2013 at 12:23 pm

    Did he just say he didn’t like her? WOW

    • truejustice
      05/03/2013 at 12:28 pm

      typical defense strategy. Gives the impression that he is defending her because he “believes” in her case so much he will defend her even when he doesn’t like her. They are very aware that she is hard to like.

  166. Family of Law
    05/03/2013 at 12:24 pm

    Jodi, it’s NOT FUNNY!!! Even a scum defender like Wurm does NOT like you!!

  167. Marilyn N
    05/03/2013 at 12:25 pm

    SHe wanted the gun?? Oh gag us now!!!!!

  168. NancyB
    05/03/2013 at 12:25 pm

    Ohhhh so today JA’s playing the role of a “normal” and alert young woman. Nurmi pulling almost continuous chicken arms and OMG!!! – What did he say? Most days he doesn’t like her??? This is hilarious, Nurmi is absolutely one of a kind. He’s now covering a NON issue.

  169. Kristy
    05/03/2013 at 12:25 pm

    OMG, Nurmi is going be a big stink pot.

  170. 05/03/2013 at 12:25 pm

    wth is he carrying on with now.. I need someone to translate this.. I translated dodgy…. someone gotta translate The Nurm for me!!!

    • Family of Law
      05/03/2013 at 12:29 pm

      I’m not fluent in “chicken wing”, but I think he’s saying… “My client is guilty of 1st degree premeditated murder”!

      • 05/03/2013 at 12:30 pm


      • 05/03/2013 at 12:31 pm

        ahhh ok so finally he is making some sense?

    • 05/03/2013 at 12:29 pm

      blah blah blah….BS BS BS….blah blah blah….

      • 05/03/2013 at 12:31 pm

        lolol that’s what i am hearing too WITJ 😆

  171. HJ Madison
    05/03/2013 at 12:26 pm

    Juan is going to have a hay day with over Nurmi’s mischaracterization she went to steal the gun! IDIOT!!!!! No!!! She STOLE the gun and pitched it because she SHOT HIM!!!!

  172. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/03/2013 at 12:27 pm

    There it is! He just had to get that out there!

  173. Elexa
    05/03/2013 at 12:27 pm

    It wasn’t the relationship that ended tragically, it was Travis’s life that ended tragically.

    Sorry, I’m a little behind.

  174. Kristy
    05/03/2013 at 12:27 pm

    Was he only into 10 minutes about when he mentioned the 3-holed wonder?

  175. SeniorMoments
    05/03/2013 at 12:27 pm

    Let’ count..first mention of “whore, slut, 3 holed wonder” How many more?

  176. 05/03/2013 at 12:29 pm

    she moved away so he would beg her to come back…. he didn’t…. so she panicked and moved back.. Nurm your logic is flawed as usual

  177. brightgirl58
    05/03/2013 at 12:29 pm

    did i hear the word “CONVERSATE” what???

    • Family of Law
      05/03/2013 at 12:31 pm

      He didn’t want JA to be the only one to to “de-edify” the English language.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/03/2013 at 12:35 pm


  178. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/03/2013 at 12:29 pm

    By the time he’s done his arm is going to drop off and fall on the floor from jerking it out trying to show the jury his humongous watch!!

    • 05/03/2013 at 12:30 pm

      LOLOL!!! 😆

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 12:34 pm

      You are funny!!!!!

  179. 05/03/2013 at 12:29 pm

    conversating isn’t in conversing? I gotta look that one up

  180. Marilyn N
    05/03/2013 at 12:30 pm

    Wow, The Wurm is going to be exhausted tonite from all this exercise!!

  181. Elexa
    05/03/2013 at 12:31 pm

    who claimed it was an “impenetrable force”?
    No one.

  182. truejustice
    05/03/2013 at 12:31 pm

    Thanks for pointing that out Nurm .. Jodi Arias had moved away , was moving on… That’s right nurm ..Battered women are to afraid to leave, they wouldn’t dare move on to another man.

  183. truejustice
    05/03/2013 at 12:32 pm

    Sorry Nurm .. Jodi is not as smart as you would like us to believe

  184. 05/03/2013 at 12:32 pm

    Haha…JW looks like she’s about to doze off!!!

  185. 05/03/2013 at 12:33 pm

    Nurmi you didiot.. nothing she does makes sense havent you realised that before… you gotta go Jodistein to understand her and you ain’t got a hope in hell of getting there.

    Some on the jury can I’m sure of it.

  186. Marilyn N
    05/03/2013 at 12:33 pm

    None of it makes any sense – soooooo? your point??

  187. brightgirl58
    05/03/2013 at 12:33 pm

    JW to WOBO: See told ya, told ya we would do a good for you. Please on’t hurt me afterwards.

    • brightgirl58
      05/03/2013 at 12:34 pm

      meant “good job for you”

  188. Kristy
    05/03/2013 at 12:33 pm

    Wow, isn’t Nurmi shooting Jodi in the foot, announcing how many folks in Jodi’s life have guns and she acted so ignorant of the guns.

  189. 05/03/2013 at 12:34 pm

    she’s smart at coming up with lies.. but she isn’t with logic.. she’s 0 on the logic scale

  190. Marilyn N
    05/03/2013 at 12:34 pm

    Poor granny must have to hold her breath!

  191. Elexa
    05/03/2013 at 12:34 pm

    I’m expecting grandma to go all lizard tonguey any minute now.

  192. truejustice
    05/03/2013 at 12:34 pm

    Oh please .. it makes perfect sense for a women who “thinks” she is smart.

  193. jennifer
    05/03/2013 at 12:34 pm

    is it just me or does jodi’s lezbo friend “donovan” look exactly like Nurmi!? I think they’re brother & sister!!!!!

    • Family of Law
      05/03/2013 at 12:37 pm

      Tweedledee and Tweedledumb!!!

  194. Marilyn N
    05/03/2013 at 12:34 pm

    GIve he/she a binky!!

  195. 05/03/2013 at 12:34 pm

    Watcha pocketbook granny….the felons eyeing it!!!

  196. 05/03/2013 at 12:35 pm

    yeah she is going to borrow a gun.. that could be traced back to her.. riiiiight…. oh can I borrow your gun I am going to kill Travis. OK Jodes no worries.. here ya go.

  197. Elexa
    05/03/2013 at 12:35 pm

    Yeah, could have drove it but JODI said it wasn’t in the best mechanical shape, not “we’ve heard”, you fat F…!”

    • Elexa
      05/03/2013 at 12:35 pm

      errrr, sorry, ahem.

  198. Moon
    05/03/2013 at 12:35 pm

    all i can say is he is actually harming his cause more than helping!!!

  199. Marilyn N
    05/03/2013 at 12:35 pm

    WHo would want to loan her their car???
    THis is just sooooo STUPID!

  200. truejustice
    05/03/2013 at 12:35 pm

    None of your lies make sense Nurmi… None of it

  201. 05/03/2013 at 12:36 pm

    yeah right.. can I borrow your car…. it will probably come back covered in blood.. but hey… can I borrow it.. you might get a visit from the cops afterwards.. but don’t tell em I borrowed it ok?

    • truejustice
      05/03/2013 at 12:37 pm

      and a plate that traces right back to them

  202. 05/03/2013 at 12:36 pm

    Nurmi wanted off the case when she insisted on representing herself, with the forged letters. She wanted a plea deal for manslaughter, threatening she would drag Travis through the mud, and destroy his family, if it went to trial. Obi Juan said bring it on. As we all know.

  203. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/03/2013 at 12:37 pm

    What’s with Willanurmi (MiniMe)….her eyes are droopy and closing like she’s on something!! Maybe a drug called NURMIACIN! Wonder if she snorted it or injected it!

  204. Cannondax
    05/03/2013 at 12:37 pm

    Nurmi, you are an idiot. Why didn’t she take one of the other guns? Because she’s STUPID in so many areas of her life. She’s not as smart as you would have us believe. I know it and YOU know it. You are pathetic and deep down YOU know that too! Oh, and unless you don’t realize it………you’re a pervert too.

  205. LindaLou
    05/03/2013 at 12:37 pm

    It just goes to show she’s not the Einstein she thinks she is.

  206. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/03/2013 at 12:38 pm

    Thanks guys! I can read and scroll and every so often, hear “the…state…theorizes…that”
    and then go on with other stuff and then return and hear “sex” and “smart” and then back to reading.

  207. 05/03/2013 at 12:38 pm

    who goes to an airport to rent a car.. unless they have just flown in… is that the norm in the US?

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 12:39 pm

      Yeah … in smaller places, like less than 1/4 million population

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/03/2013 at 12:40 pm

      its called “smoke and mirrors” try and get people to think of other things. Talk about airports and stealing and ya know. Now they ‘re about to detail how “smart” she is and how she “doesnt move covertly”. I mean renting a car? WTF?

    • Kristy
      05/03/2013 at 12:43 pm

      It depends where one lives. Sure most people get rental cars at airports that have just flown in. But they don’t only rent to folks that are at the airport.

      • 05/03/2013 at 12:46 pm

        oh I know that.. but its just not where I would go if I wanted a rental car.. cos here those at the airport are usual more expensive than inpependent smaller complanies

  208. Anonymous
    05/03/2013 at 12:38 pm

    It’s going to be a LONG day!!

  209. HJ Madison
    05/03/2013 at 12:38 pm

    This will sound crazy … but I think he is throwing her under the bus! Not a single argument yet is persuasive …

  210. Kristy
    05/03/2013 at 12:38 pm

    Oh, the papertrail isn’t good for Jodi. And damn, no one gets searched at airport rental car agencies.

  211. Moon
    05/03/2013 at 12:38 pm

    OH i see the MS joined the ho… guess she wants her glam shots in the camera’s view. She makes me SICK

  212. Elexa
    05/03/2013 at 12:38 pm

    Nurmi, you stupid idiot. Renting the car is a KNOWN.

    It’s the BEING IN ARIZONA part that she was hiding. Are you NEW to this case or what???

  213. brightgirl58
    05/03/2013 at 12:38 pm

    ….and where’s grampa?

    • donchais
      05/03/2013 at 12:41 pm

      Has cancer and in nursing home.

      • 05/03/2013 at 12:49 pm

        And JA situation making him worse. All she thought about was herself, forget her loved ones. Yes my heart does go out to her grandparents.

  214. 05/03/2013 at 12:38 pm

    Moon :
    all i can say is he is actually harming his cause more than helping!!!

    Yeah! Seriously tubby….why don’t ya just stick the needle in her arm already!!!!!! This reverse psychology bullshit is going to totally backfire!!!

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      05/03/2013 at 12:40 pm

      yea….keep throwing those sexual names out there in the Juror’s face and see where it’s going to get him!!!

  215. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/03/2013 at 12:39 pm

    Ok……Shrek is going on low volume….We’ll monitor the progress by your comments.

  216. brightgirl58
    05/03/2013 at 12:39 pm

    I could hear Nurmi almost saying (when he dropped exhibit) – and I was doing so well.

  217. 05/03/2013 at 12:41 pm

    how come he can talk faster now?

    • Kristy
      05/03/2013 at 12:45 pm

      because he isn’t trying to lead witnesses on. I’m sure the jury is picking up on this.

    • Family of Law
      05/03/2013 at 12:47 pm

      He’s hopped up on cold medicine… Lol!

  218. truejustice
    05/03/2013 at 12:41 pm

    has anyone here ever used priceline and NOT paid them for car/ticket etc ?
    They always make me pay – they must have some special JA procedure

  219. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/03/2013 at 12:42 pm

    sample of this torture:

    “Now when did she rent the car? The car. In June. Okay. June 2. She got the car”

    • 05/03/2013 at 1:04 pm

      tee hee hee pretty much sums it up

  220. PK
    05/03/2013 at 12:42 pm

    This is one of the rare situations when I wish to worst for Nurmi, Willmott and the rest of the DT. What goes around always comes around one way or another.

  221. Marilyn N
    05/03/2013 at 12:42 pm

    His theme appears to be “Mr. Columbo”……

  222. 05/03/2013 at 12:43 pm

    I’m reminded of the OJ case. The night before their closing statement Clark and Darden got drunk and tried to lash together a cogent close. They came in looking haggard, and begged the stone faced jury to convict. We know how that went. Willmott looks like that. Tired, hungover,

  223. Marilyn N
    05/03/2013 at 12:43 pm

    The car rental guys said Jodi called him personally.

    • Elexa
      05/03/2013 at 12:45 pm

      “The car rental guys said Jodi called him personally.” ??????

      To rent the car?

      • Marilyn N
        05/03/2013 at 12:50 pm

        That’s what I am recalling.
        Need to relisten to be sure, but pretty sure!

  224. dpforjodi
    05/03/2013 at 12:43 pm

    dunnoman props up granny. Granny’s colouring doesn’t look good, some sort of organ failure going on. willnot forgot her bag concealer today and mitigation has the girls away today trying to look professional

  225. 05/03/2013 at 12:44 pm

    Hey moron….her hair is blonde!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  226. Moon
    05/03/2013 at 12:44 pm

    wurmi should have gone to the eye doc… he SO needs a new scription and a new pair of glasses!

    • Elexa
      05/03/2013 at 12:45 pm

      He’s wearing his “Jodi” glasses.

  227. 05/03/2013 at 12:45 pm

    so she did have dsrk hair not blonde??? now he has got me wondering…. so he was effective on that one

    • Family of Law
      05/03/2013 at 12:49 pm

      The hair color timeline has bothered me for a long time- clearly from those pics with her sister, her hair was not blonde. But I trust Juan, he’s brought it in for good reason.

      • 05/03/2013 at 12:51 pm

        yes Im trusting Juan too.. cos I’m seeing brown hair in those photos

    • Kristy
      05/03/2013 at 12:55 pm

      She had blond highlights, it wasn’t fully blonde.

  228. 05/03/2013 at 12:47 pm

    Bkfst, karaoke, la la. I can’t stand it. She should have driven to the American idol auditions. More of a future there , NOT.

  229. 05/03/2013 at 12:47 pm

    ok if she didnt say it…. how come Darryl reluctantly admitted it.. and LaLa had it in her notes.. Nurm you aint winning this one

    • Elexa
      05/03/2013 at 12:48 pm

      He’s just trying to obfuscate in the hope that the jury will question their own memories.

  230. Elexa
    05/03/2013 at 12:47 pm

    Right, Darrell was mistaken about saying she was going to Mesa and she was mistaken when she told L’toilet the same thing.

  231. 05/03/2013 at 12:50 pm

    loh god a math lesson from the Nurm.. now I really need a drink

  232. PK
    05/03/2013 at 12:50 pm

    Nurmi argument is essentially that if a crime is not committed to perfection without no possibility of being apprehended, there is no crime. Don’t think even the most naive juror will fall for that Bluto reasoning.

    • Marilyn N
      05/03/2013 at 12:51 pm

      It was her first murder so not perfected, dummy Worm!

  233. 05/03/2013 at 12:50 pm

    Nothing convert about:

    driving 90 miles to rent a car…at the airport!
    borrowing 2 gas cans….and buying a 3rd!
    going cellphone-silent through the state of AZ! etc. etc!!!!!!!!!!

  234. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/03/2013 at 12:51 pm

    “you would think ladies and gnetlemen”

    “Alerted the world to the gun theft”

    Carnival barker!!

    He says”she wouldnt tell Darryl if she was going to MESA if it was covert? Now, I think he’s mistaken and she didnt say MESA, but lets say she did? Its not a secret right?” My goodness.

  235. PK
    05/03/2013 at 12:51 pm

    with no possibility… double neg

  236. Moon
    05/03/2013 at 12:52 pm

    her hair in those pics was not blonde blonde, but it DID NOT MATCH the color she changed it to on Jun 3 per the self photo snaps in that rental car. It actually looks like a copper color in the other pics…. or lighter brown with blonde or copper hilites

    • 05/03/2013 at 12:56 pm

      Oh thanks Moon. Cuz I saw that too! This joker had ME second-guessing my eyesight! Also…what does the Budget guy have to gain by saying she had blonde hair when she rented the car….and dark hair when she return it!!! What’s in it for him??? You know how guys are…he says blonde….because it’s HIS interpretation of what the color looked like to him! True it’s not completely blonde….but it is not the dark brown like it is in the pic she took of herself on Jun 3rd!!!!!!!!!!!

  237. Marilyn N
    05/03/2013 at 12:53 pm

    She said the gas can was NOT in her budget!

  238. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/03/2013 at 12:53 pm

    ok She smart shes LOADED she got banks she got $541 in opne and $207 in another! This is an active “smart” lady. She aint hiding her spending in Montery!
    OH NO “as we talk further on this journey,this trail”

  239. 05/03/2013 at 12:53 pm

    nothing she does makes sense. Nurm.. did you hear her freakin ninja story????

  240. 05/03/2013 at 12:53 pm

    Got a funny thought, what if juror 8 was taking notes.

  241. 05/03/2013 at 12:55 pm


  242. 05/03/2013 at 12:55 pm

    zshe has an average iq Nurm…… stop calling her smart… it’s only 112 … no need to keep pretending she’s smarter than the average person.

  243. Moon
    05/03/2013 at 12:55 pm


    yes, she DID say she took it back to the same Walmart you prick

  244. Family of Law
    05/03/2013 at 12:56 pm

    This is all “smoke and mirrors”. He’s making a few points, but none that will override what Juan clearly laid out yesterday. And Juan will bring in the “fact broom” tomorrow and sweep all of the trash away.

    • 05/03/2013 at 12:58 pm

      FOL….is there court tomorrow??

      • Family of Law
        05/03/2013 at 1:01 pm

        My bad!!! Juan “sweeps” today!!!! I got a latent FOG wave!

      • 05/03/2013 at 1:07 pm

        No worries. It’s that San Franciscan fog darlin’!!! Gets us all!! LOL!

  245. 05/03/2013 at 12:56 pm

    Did she say she returned it to the same walmart? I thought she did but now I dunno…

    • Family of Law
      05/03/2013 at 12:59 pm

      Yes! On the stand she clearly said that she went back the SAME day to the SAME Walmart.

    • 05/03/2013 at 12:59 pm

      yes…you remember correctly….she said the same Salinas walmart

  246. 05/03/2013 at 12:57 pm

    OMG, he is so painful…he doesn’t have a defense argument except to try and poke holes in Juan’s arguments…unbelievable.

  247. Family of Law
    05/03/2013 at 12:57 pm

    Is the CEO sitting behind JA?

    • 05/03/2013 at 1:01 pm

      Yes….light blue shirt….gray hair

      • Family of Law
        05/03/2013 at 1:04 pm

        Ah! Thanks!!! I’m SO glad he’s there!!!

  248. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/03/2013 at 12:57 pm

    you know I’m now extra peed off at Wormi. All during that miserable direct he talked so damn slow I wanted to wring the neck of every lawyer in State for allowing him to talk. Now all of a sudden, he’s Mr”ladies and gentlemen” Mr “Southern faster talking” lawyer. Hes now talking 25 timesa faster than at other times.
    Psychopaths THING they are SMART. He has used that word as if she was the grad from John Hopkins instead of the scratch by night bar hopping crawling leech that she is.
    Oh here a good one. It wasnt at that there are other Walmarts!
    Sounds like a fast talking gasbag now; before he was a slow talking moron.

  249. PK
    05/03/2013 at 12:58 pm

    Too bad a jury can’t send a message to the judge complaining that haven’t they heard enough lies and BS from the DT already! Give us a break! Please!

  250. 05/03/2013 at 12:59 pm

    ohhh I remember the signifcance of the brown hair! Everyone in Mesa new her as a blonde. That’s why she made sure it was fully dark brown! ok ok got it back on that now She made sure it was flat brown so the neighbours didn’t recognise her.

    They knew her as a platinum blonde

    • Kristy
      05/03/2013 at 1:03 pm

      Yes, they knew her as a blonde. Jodi took a picture of herself on June 3rd with a full head of brown hair.

  251. Kristy
    05/03/2013 at 1:00 pm

    Jodi didn’t see anyone in Pasedena did she?

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 1:03 pm

      Told Brewer going to see his sister but never did ….

  252. 05/03/2013 at 1:01 pm

    Wilnot lowered her chair. Sinking..

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/03/2013 at 1:03 pm

      keep ’em coming ! I need visuals

  253. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/03/2013 at 1:02 pm

    They’ve had 5 years to work on replies to every act of hers.Hahaha The “smart” woman would NEVER do this or that or this.There was another Walmart!!!!They didnt check them.
    “She has all that money in the bank” Huh? Compared to who?.

  254. 05/03/2013 at 1:02 pm

    the 700 bucks was the balance before she paid the money to that guy.. and the expenses of the trip… not to mention the cost of the rental car… doesnt leave much Nurm she needed more money than that.. and I’ve already forgotten his point about that anyhow

  255. jennifer
    05/03/2013 at 1:03 pm

    Im sorry how does her buying gas in pasadena make her not be on her way to murder travis in Mesa?????

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 1:04 pm

      It doesn’t

  256. 05/03/2013 at 1:04 pm

    she was over 24 hours late.. they were all looking for her… yes she was expected on june 4th… but she didnt get there and they didnt hear from her.. she went into the black zone remember! what the heck is his point here.. waiting for it

    • Marilyn N
      05/03/2013 at 1:05 pm

      He’s just talking a bunch or garbage to create one ounce of doubt in one juror – IMO!

      • SeniorMoments
        05/03/2013 at 1:09 pm

        I completely agree! He’s giving his one juror some points to argue in deliberations. Not good points, but something that a hold out can point to.

  257. PK
    05/03/2013 at 1:04 pm

    To Jury… At what Nurmi’s being paid to defend JA, look no farther that him to see who is really the big fay liar.

  258. Marilyn N
    05/03/2013 at 1:04 pm

    “Covert Mission”!!

  259. Moon
    05/03/2013 at 1:05 pm

    LOLOL Wurm u are such an idiot!! He keeps saying that she wouldn’t have all these receipts and done all the transactions if it were covert! HAHAHAHHA you dumf##K that is EXACTLY why she did it… to try to “prove” she didn’t! Oh come on Lets hope and pray these jurors are smarter than this ol Colorado High woman cuz even I get that!!!

    LOL idiot again!! Yesssssssssss she did give Ryan the reason why!! She told RB she was LOST.

  260. 05/03/2013 at 1:05 pm

    she did set up an alibi she said she got los fun fun fun! and then she said her phone was out…. ummm that’s the alibi she set up you idiot have you forgotten the facts??? oh now he suddenly remembers the lost day

  261. 05/03/2013 at 1:05 pm

    I wonder what the jury thinks of him say that 9/10 he doesn’t like JA? My immediate thought is…why defend her? why take the states money? To me it says that you are such a big scumbag that you would defend satan, as long as there was a paycheck in it! I didn’t think he could get any lower in my eyes….but he really sank lower in that pool of dog poo he is standing in!!!!!!!!!!!

  262. JesusFreak
    05/03/2013 at 1:05 pm

    wouldn’t you. ….. wouldn’t you…. , blah………
    this is worth 300 an hour? no wonder jodi wanted to be her own lawyer. i am so glad he is bad,

  263. LindaLou
    05/03/2013 at 1:05 pm

    Ok, I’m tired of the term ‘covert mission’.

  264. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/03/2013 at 1:06 pm

    “covert mission” has been mentioned about a dozen times by the fastertalkinggasbag

  265. 05/03/2013 at 1:07 pm

    omg he was watching pics of ppl dancing.. 😯

  266. dpforjodi
    05/03/2013 at 1:08 pm

    how is this Robert. Mitigation- she ,has her girls tucked into her panties. Nothing to view today.

  267. Moon
    05/03/2013 at 1:08 pm

    She’s sure not doing much doodling today! She is totally checking out the jurors. She needs to konw if any of them aren’t buying her bullllllllshittttttt

  268. 05/03/2013 at 1:08 pm

    oh and her letting him tie her up isn’t new level of being scared of an abuser? Nurm you just shot yourself in the foot on that one you idiot

    • Family of Law
      05/03/2013 at 1:16 pm

      Yeah, no kidding! What DV victim allows themselves to be tied up!?! Ya, riiiiiiiiight!

  269. 05/03/2013 at 1:09 pm

    He wasn’t scared…..bcuz she snuck in uninvited!!! And he thought she was 900 miles away!!!!!!!!!!!! You moron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  270. 05/03/2013 at 1:09 pm

    she is on a covert mission…. and Im doing a drinking game here on covert mission

    • Family of Law
      05/03/2013 at 1:17 pm

      Ooh ooh…I wanna play!

  271. 05/03/2013 at 1:10 pm

    The gallery is so much more interesting to look at than wurmi. Juanderful looks like he is falling asleep.

  272. 05/03/2013 at 1:10 pm

    How is he still standing? He’s shot himself in both feet over 100 times already that he should have face planted by now!!!!

  273. Kristy
    05/03/2013 at 1:11 pm

    Freaking Nimrod Nurmi. Jodi didn’t know what roommates were around. Guns make noise.

  274. 05/03/2013 at 1:11 pm

    she didnt shot him then cos tht is not her nature.. her nature is to play manipulating games and control him… just shooting him there and then makes no sense at all… plus she wanted the psycho shots she loved her plan and wanted to carry it out… im so good I made him pose for me.. he was so stupid he did it… hahahahaha thats how she thinks

  275. jennifer
    05/03/2013 at 1:11 pm

    WHO said he was asleep!!!!!! Maybe he never went to sleep! SHE said he slept,….so its more than likely bs!

  276. 05/03/2013 at 1:12 pm

    still dont reckon he took pics of her.. havent seen any that look like that to me.

    • Family of Law
      05/03/2013 at 1:19 pm

      I really think the nakey shots were taken of herself with a timer.

      • 05/03/2013 at 1:22 pm

        yep I do too.. and I think it’s on the sofa bed downstairs cos its a real low bed

  277. jennifer
    05/03/2013 at 1:12 pm

    She didn’t shoot him becasue someone might hear it! She waited till she was sure no-one was home

  278. 05/03/2013 at 1:14 pm

    she’s a raging narcissist…. thats why she took pictures of her new hair colour… soz nurm you are losing this one too

  279. Shannon
    05/03/2013 at 1:14 pm

    How many times will he say “Keep in mind”!!!!
    It is possible she took off the front plate because AZ does not require the front plate and she was planning on backing in the driveway. Many people do not have a front plate so it would not draw attention to her-so there squirmi Nurmi!

  280. jennifer
    05/03/2013 at 1:14 pm

    ok, so note to self….”do not take pics of my vagina when I’m killing someone” thanks, point taken, she MUST be innocent

  281. 05/03/2013 at 1:15 pm

    thats why she deleted them Nurm.. so there wouldnt be a record of em.. or do you delete photos and throw them and the camera in the wash if you want to keep photos Nurm? Is that what you do cos I dont/ Just askin

  282. Kristy
    05/03/2013 at 1:15 pm

    Those pictures show she had added more brown coloring. Why did Jodi get a fresh Brazilian for Ryan Burns who she wasn’t going to have sex with. How long do brazilians last? Jodi left in March, no way in June would that still look freshly shaved.

    • 05/03/2013 at 1:18 pm

      Seriously, right! Clearly this guy doesn’t get laid a lot….because he’s really clueless about how this works!

      • Family of Law
        05/03/2013 at 1:23 pm

        I still feel sorry for the esthetician that had to groom her- it was probably like working with a Yeti!

  283. 05/03/2013 at 1:15 pm

    Keep on bringing those pictures in Wurm. Don’t let the jury forget what a skank she is.

  284. LindaLou
    05/03/2013 at 1:16 pm

    Ok, it’s been about an hour and I’m already sick of Beaky Buzzard.

  285. jennifer
    05/03/2013 at 1:17 pm

    no…WE don’t know that she brought any cd’s or that the “office ” encounter ever happened! WE don’t know that fat boy

  286. 05/03/2013 at 1:17 pm

    Nurm lets back up to the red vs white car.. think you forgot to restate jodi’s excuse for that one…. oops

  287. 05/03/2013 at 1:18 pm

    Is that nude pic up there the whole time? What’s the purpose, for that long? He loves that stuff. Oh I hear cleanup on aisle 3. Someone just lost their breakfast. Oh wait ‘nother cleanup in the jury box.. Ooh wait the judge just lost it too.

  288. SeniorMoments
    05/03/2013 at 1:19 pm

    Soooo much of this can be refuted by Juan just pointing out that everything Nurmi is basing his arguments on is because Jodi said it.

  289. Moon
    05/03/2013 at 1:19 pm

    She snuck in… Travis and Nap were sleeping in his bedroom. SHE slept in his office after she took those FN UGLY SNATCH shots. she waited, no HID until the roomie was gone.. then went to his room and surprised him (the shot with the ky… the flash woke him up duh) and then she tries to sweet talk him.. to “fix” what he is so upset about. they talk.. he thinks she leaves. (darn i wish he would have phoned someone to say she was there).. but I think he really thought he could handle it and I think he got in the shower and she snuck back in taking those shots w/o a flash. Then…….. the HORROR began. 😦

    • JesusFreak
      05/03/2013 at 1:27 pm

      this sounds so right.

  290. 05/03/2013 at 1:19 pm

    well ok .. she didnt have the knife and gun in the bathroom with her… Im up with that.. cos it helps in the 62 seconds… so go with it… do it.. do it…. Juan will love it

    • Family of Law
      05/03/2013 at 1:24 pm

      To quote you- Zegactly!!!!

  291. 05/03/2013 at 1:20 pm

    Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 3m
    Nurmi puts up the picture of #JodiArias nude on the bed. It was taken at 1:42 in the afternoon. I am no longer hungry.


  292. 05/03/2013 at 1:20 pm

    yeah but she hadn’t finished her photo shoot then…. bet she wishes she had attacked him then in hindsight

  293. Kristy
    05/03/2013 at 1:20 pm

    Who drives 300 miles to see someone and doesn’t get together with them?

  294. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/03/2013 at 1:21 pm

    Okay been gone for a bit and Im sure didnt miss much, But I still say that Judge Stephens should have called him in in January and told him to talk faster or she have someone else read his questions.SOB can talk faster. I thought he might have been borderline retarded or something, or had a stutter all his life, something. Now , son of a bitch.

    • 05/03/2013 at 1:28 pm


    • 05/03/2013 at 1:31 pm

      yep was a ploy to slow everything down and make torture the jury.. I so hope they are going wtf he can talk faster??? why the hell did he put us through that then?

  295. 05/03/2013 at 1:21 pm

    Hey…what happened to the self defense s**t? the paedophile stuff? the domestic violence??

    • 05/03/2013 at 1:33 pm

      guess he is getting to that.. or they dropped it cos Juan pointed out she’s a sexual manipulator. I hope it’s dropped but I won’t believe it til he finishes without it

  296. jennifer
    05/03/2013 at 1:21 pm

    so according to Nurmi, she didn’t take the kill shot when HE would have, so its not a Murder?

  297. PK
    05/03/2013 at 1:21 pm

    I do hope that the jury considers what was probably the plan A, Travis will take me back and take me to Cancun followed by her carefully planned “{covert” mission Plan B to slaughter him when he rejected her final sex for whatever she could get.

    • 05/03/2013 at 1:29 pm

      Yes, exactly!!! Plan a and plan b

    • NapaNonnie
      05/03/2013 at 1:31 pm

      Yes. The jury seems smart from their previous questions. I’m sure one of them will remember this.

  298. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/03/2013 at 1:22 pm

    Who said they even had sex? wobo. Det Flores suggested it and from then on, they had sex.

    • 05/03/2013 at 1:30 pm

      yeah.. I want to see the pics!!! I gotta see em or I aint gonna believe it

    • NapaNonnie
      05/03/2013 at 1:33 pm

      I agree.

  299. 05/03/2013 at 1:24 pm

    Syntara :
    she is on a covert mission…. and Im doing a drinking game here on covert mission

    Watch as Syn covertly opens a bottle of tequila….and covertly mixes a margarita! Will it be salt or no salt? On the rocks? It’s covert folks….so we’ll never know!!!

    • 05/03/2013 at 1:26 pm

      watch it WITJ or I’ll go covert aggressive 😛

  300. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/03/2013 at 1:25 pm

    Ok now about eight or nine “ladies and gentlemen” from the Worm. Like a Stand-up at an emplty comedy club.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/03/2013 at 1:25 pm


  301. 05/03/2013 at 1:25 pm

    no cos she was doing the freakin psycho shots you idjit.. don’t you troll the net? you got ninja pupils.. Im sure you have seen the psycho comparison Nurm.

  302. HJ Madison
    05/03/2013 at 1:25 pm

    ooppppss .. that was a slip ….. “no… she didn’t do it there …”

  303. Family of Law
    05/03/2013 at 1:26 pm

    “Thought bubble” over Perky’s head- “We’ll shit, it doesn’t look like the jury is buying this”!

    • 05/03/2013 at 1:29 pm

      hahazhaha hope she is right!

  304. HJ Madison
    05/03/2013 at 1:27 pm

    Why did tehy take a break? JM didn’t? Did someone ask for it?

  305. HJ Madison
    05/03/2013 at 1:29 pm

    This is certainly no impassioned retelling of her tale …..

  306. Anonymous
    05/03/2013 at 1:29 pm

    Is his argument really that she coudnt have planned his murder because she had better opportunities to kill him than the one she took? WOW this guy sucks.

  307. Kristy
    05/03/2013 at 1:32 pm

    It’s the normal time for the beak.

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 1:33 pm

      Yeah but Juan didn’t take one, did he? Who knows …. maybe a juror needed one ….

  308. Moon
    05/03/2013 at 1:33 pm

    The brilliance of Juan… He gives the duhfense something to “nibble on” then HE comes back on … TO KILL evbit of ammo he provided them to nibble on! LOVE LOVE YOU JUAN

    • 05/03/2013 at 1:35 pm

      yep they are biting on all of it… he just is sitting there with his line in the water watching.. then reeling that fish in.. repeat.

  309. truejustice
    05/03/2013 at 1:34 pm

    OMG — Juror # 8 escorted out !

    • truejustice
      05/03/2013 at 1:36 pm

      cbs5az : elizabetherwin Court employees keep yelling at media for trying to talk to #Juror8

    • HJ Madison
      05/03/2013 at 1:36 pm

      Really? Was that tweeted or something?

      • truejustice
        05/03/2013 at 1:37 pm

        Ya — reporter from cbs5az

    • 05/03/2013 at 1:39 pm

      just escorted cos he went out for a break.. or not allowed back? Hopefully the former?

    • 05/03/2013 at 1:39 pm

      Oh my. I was wondering what the chances for to get in given very few public seats and with a lottery at that

  310. HJ Madison
    05/03/2013 at 1:35 pm

    MMD?? Are you here today?

  311. Kristy
    05/03/2013 at 1:36 pm

    Juror #5 was also only there for a short while.

    • 05/03/2013 at 1:40 pm

      I thought #5 was there all day and then had someone escort her out through a special exit after everyone left.. I remember her sitting there at the end with a court official talking to her and the court was nearly empty

  312. donchais
  313. LindaLou
    05/03/2013 at 1:40 pm

    Per tweet on http://www.kpho site

    elizabetherwin Prosecutor and Alexander’s sisters going back into chambers.
    about 1 minute ago · reply · retweet · favorite

  314. Moon
    05/03/2013 at 1:41 pm

    Nimrod Nurmi will continue till lunch… then whinesalot will take over after lunch and attack the docs and ME.
    Then Juan will sew it all up (did the judge till the jury they would go till it’s over again?) Juan always saves the best for last……

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