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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – Verdict Watch

05/07/2013

Deliberations currently total 7.5 hours.

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  1. El See
    05/07/2013 at 10:28 am

    THANKS donchais …. your reporting has been excellent, top notch and it continues! 😀

    What is next for you?

    • donchais
      05/07/2013 at 10:29 am

      George Thomas retrial – Christian/Newsom murders.

      • 05/07/2013 at 11:13 am

        OMG… donchais I can’t even imagine how you have the strength to even follow that trial. After your & syns chatter back & forth yesterday I read about it. Hours later I am still ill. What a heinous crime. They make JA seem like Angel (not meaning to take away the evilness from what she did). Your strength amazes me donchais. God Bless you & what you do! ♥

      • PENNY WINSTEAD
        05/07/2013 at 12:55 pm

        First post after all these weeks lurking! Thanks so much for this site and the post. I am so happy that you will be covering the Christian /Newsome murders retrial. I have followed it for years. Thanks. Penny

  2. Schaeffer
    05/07/2013 at 10:32 am

    doncahis — please put Tracey A and myslef in contact. She requested same in the wee hours of the morning — after 3:30 am probably. Thanks.

    • donchais
      05/07/2013 at 11:04 am

      Check your email

      • Tracey A
        05/07/2013 at 11:26 pm

        Ty Donchais! Appreciate the help here!

    • Tracey A
      05/07/2013 at 11:24 pm

      I got it Schaeffer and finally responded to you a bit earlier.

  3. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 10:32 am

    How are you doing today donchais?????? {{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}} from all of us and we’ll keep you in tissues xoxo

    • donchais
      05/07/2013 at 11:05 am

      Good thanks, you?

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 12:16 pm

        still losing my freaking mind but I’m in good company here. I just want this over and the Alexander family to get at least the start of some justice. No winners here but it’s the best that is possible in this world!

        I truly don’t know how you have the fortitude to do what you do. You are indeed a very special lady and we all love you for it! 😀 xoxoxo

  4. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 10:35 am

    carried over

    Nienna darlin’ – where were you yesterday??????????????????? You were missed!!!!!! You didn’t call, write, email, text, comment, courier pigeon, nuthin!!!!! Glad you’re back though 😀

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 10:42 am

      🙂 I have been very tired lately. So I took another day to rest. I checked in with wild a couple of times in case there was a verdict though. Dang, I sent that bird out with a note! Must’ve flown south instead of north.

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 11:00 am

        can’t depend on those birds at all. Remember the good ole days when they always went where you told them 😆

      • Nienna
        05/07/2013 at 11:04 am

        Times of yore!

  5. 05/07/2013 at 10:45 am

    Mornin folks

    • Wendy
      05/07/2013 at 10:49 am

      Morning!

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 11:01 am

      Morning darlin’ ****waves*******

  6. 05/07/2013 at 10:46 am

    I;m thinkin tday is the day

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 10:47 am

      Morning! Let’s hope so!!

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 10:48 am

      Today is his brother Stephen’s birthday. What an awesome present that would be!

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 11:02 am

      According to Katie Wick on Dr. Drew (I didn’t see it) she felt the jurors had made up their minds and were just going to sleep on it. So from your and Katie’s lips to the jury’s ears to the look on JA’s face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Nienna
        05/07/2013 at 11:03 am

        OOOOHHHH! The LOOK! Can’t wait to see the LOOK!!

  7. 05/07/2013 at 10:52 am

    donchais :
    George Thomas retrial – Christian/Newsom murders.

    Morning all,
    Donchais,
    Will you be following this case on this blog or will another be created? I became aware of this horrible crime when you posted a few weeks ago. I’d like to follow along with you.
    Thanks so much for this great blog. Choir efforts r greatly appreciated!

    • donchais
      05/07/2013 at 11:06 am

      The case will be reported on here!

  8. 05/07/2013 at 10:54 am

    I hope today’s the day too. I wrote a long post last week about the end of the murder trials of 2 pieces of crap who murdered a very close friend of mine in September. The defense of one of them also tried to slime my friend just like Nurmi & Wilmott are trying to slime Alexander, which drew me to this case. I hope Alexander’s friends & family receives the same justice we received–Murder 1 which in Michigan carries an automatic sentence of life with no parole. It won’t be at swift as our juries though, one of them took 3 hours, the other 40 MINUTES. The prosecutor said he’s been trying cases for 20 years and that’s the quickest any jury has ever come back. I hope the agony will soon be over for the Alexander family and that the jury is wise enough to see the truth. It still leaves you with a sad, empty feeling, but at least we don’t have to think about those two scumbags ever again, which is some relief.

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 11:02 am

      I’m glad you had a good outcome catbyte in the murder trial of your close friend. That is so sad, but you’re right, it helps to at least get some justice. Just like u and everyone on this site I think our biggest motivation is wanting the Alexander family to get some peace and some justice.

      • 05/07/2013 at 11:08 am

        Thanks, Lisa. I really thought I’d be happier, but I still feel just sort of sad and numb. It didn’t help that one of the defendants tried to drag my friend’s memory through the mud to assassinate his character, but luckily it didn’t work. We also discovered that his murder was more prolonged and brutal than we originally thought. He was stabbed 30 times, a couple dozen with a steak knife, the others by some unidentified “sharp-tipped pole” which left large holes in him. Those apparently occurred after they dragged him down to the basement, then heard him whispering for help so they “finished him off” according to one of them. I almost can’t bear the thought. They are lucky we don’t have the DP in Michigan because this definitely would have qualified. I hope the Alexanders get their justice too, although the hurt will always be there.

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 11:04 am

      I remember your post about your friend Z. I sincerely hope that the Alexanders get the justice they deserve even though it will not bring back Travis or your friend Z. {{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}

      • 05/07/2013 at 11:09 am

        Thanks, MMD. You and me both. They must be going through agony right now. Didn’t the Scott Peterson jury stay out for several days too?

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 11:19 am

        I know it wasn’t long, but then again OJ was only 4 hours. Ya just never know with a jury.

      • 05/07/2013 at 11:23 am

        Wow, I just checked & Scott Peterson’s jury was out for 7 days. Yikes. I hope that doesn’t happen here!

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 11:36 am

        Well that surprises me. I don’t remember it being that long. Maybe because I KNEW that he was going be convicted. Such a scum of the earth. Poor Lacie and Connor. It still bothers me that they never found her head, just her torso.

  9. Jay
    05/07/2013 at 11:02 am

    carried over:

    Dewey
    05/07/2013 at 9:47 am | #613

    “Jay, how does the appeals system work in regard to LWOP? Would that be a better sentence to ensure she never sees the light of day again?”

    Dewey, in Arizona you can appeal ANY criminal conviction, from a traffic violation to murder. But the death penalty is automatically appealed, one time. And for Arias the state will pick up the bill. After that, she can appeal on her own, and if indigent will have to convince lawyers to represent her pro-bono; or if she still has ‘followers’ they could help raise the dough. Or like numerous other incarcerated jail-house-lawyers she can file the papers on her own. Arizona provides a free procedural booklet on how to do that. If you’re interested, you can browse it here:

    http://www.azcourts.gov/Portals/34/Guides/CriminalGuideupdated.pdf

    • Dewey
      05/07/2013 at 11:14 am

      thanks

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 11:21 am

      So in other words, if found guilty, the state only pays for one appeals and that’s it!!! All the rest she is SOL if nobody wants to help her?????? Please say yes – thanks 😀

      • HJ Madison
        05/07/2013 at 11:45 am

        Yes, the State pays for 1 appeal if it is DP. They pay for zero if it is anything else. So, the WOBO better be savin’ her $$ from her traced artwork now ’cause no one else is going to help her out. Mommsie said in that letter they could not pay for her and I rather doubt the “innocence project” will take her on …. PUKE!

  10. CC ...
    05/07/2013 at 11:03 am

    Good morning, kids! I, too, have a feeling today will be the day. Let’s hope we are right for his family’s sake. What they have been through because of this evil succubus is unfathomable.

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 11:05 am

      Morning darlin’ *****waves******** here’s hoping!!!!!!!!!! 😀

      • CC ...
        05/07/2013 at 11:20 am

        Morning! and waving back 🙂

        Crossing all body parts no matter how painful!

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 11:22 am

        ROFL

  11. Family of Law
    05/07/2013 at 11:04 am

    Good Morning all!!!! I’m reposting this link, because if you haven’t seen it…. It will be an interesting read given what we all know now….
    http://grahamwinch.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/jodiariasngfile.pdf

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 11:06 am

      Morning darlin’ – {{{{{{hugs}}}}} and nose rubs to Mama’s Boy (ya I know it’s not his REAL name) 😉

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 11:08 am

        Also {{{{{hugs}}}}}}} to your hubby who “only wants to get you the best help” i.e. Dr. DeMarte 😆 love that hubby of your’s 😀

      • Family of Law
        05/07/2013 at 11:39 am

        Mornin MMD!!! 🙂 I got up extra early to take care of all the babies- “Mama’s Boy” nose rubs given from my favorite Canuck!
        Lol regarding my oh so funny hubby! He’s on board today, he greeted me this morning with, “nearly 30 years ago I promised to love, honor and cherish you, in sickness (guess that covered mental illness too) and in health….here’s your coffee, see ya after the verdict”! Smartass 🙂

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 12:03 pm

        He’s a keeper – what a gem 😀

    • Jill
      05/07/2013 at 11:26 am

      Can’t stand reading that again. She is such a disgraceful person. She really feels like she’s running the show. The only thing that will counter that is first degree with death penalty.

    • Family of Law
      05/07/2013 at 11:50 am

      When I read these court documents for the 1st time, it was during the timeframe of JA on the stand. Reading them now after the closing arguments are completed, I especially like when JA wrote, “it will require mental gymnastics to be done by the State to prove Felony Murder”. Clearly she didn’t know Juan was such a good athlete!!!

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 11:59 am

        I could have told her that 😳 plus she was forewarned by Flores that she wouldn’t want to up against him. And god willing she will pay for that arrogance with her life. Ain’t life grand! 😀

  12. Family of Law
    05/07/2013 at 11:06 am

    Also, I finally found a copy of the “Final Jury Instructions”
    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/ariasjuryinstruct.pdf

  13. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 11:11 am

    I was reading the letters that JA and her mother wrote about keeping Wurmi on as her attorney when he wanted to leave. I think that Janna originally posted them (if I’m wrong please correct). Anyway they made for interesting reading.

    Here are the links

    http://twitdoc.com/view.asp?id=94223&sid=20PB&ext=PDF&lcl=JA-Letter-from-Jodi-to-Judge-re-Nurmi-Motion-to-Withdraw.pdf&usr=zou2&doc=139833553&key=key-2gxotllz9sge8erm21fo

    • 05/07/2013 at 11:19 am

      Manipulative little…ugh! You know what!

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 11:23 am

        Yep, I know of numerous descriptors we could use if we weren’t in polite company 😯

    • Family of Law
      05/07/2013 at 11:43 am

      I just wanted to go through both letters with a red pen and edit them!!! Honestly, 8th grade grammar, at best. Schaeffer made a great point last night saying that it was obvious JA wrote both, and had the mama just sign her name.

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 12:01 pm

        Well I think that’s probably a given 🙄 Only JA is capable, in her pea sized mind, of doing anything correctly!!!

  14. Janna
    05/07/2013 at 11:11 am

    In regard to the string of Tweet messages sent out by Skankstein last night, I woke up this morning with BIG questions. Hoping someone has an answer.

    She tweeted about the State not wanting to accept her original plea. Is/was that common knowledge? Did the general public know this? Would there be any consequences if she has now leaked this through social media to the entire planet?

    ” I would have signed a plea years ago to avoid this disaster, but I was refused a plea as the State and the family refused to settle. I wanted so much to avoid trial but the State forced it. My only other option was suicide and, well … ”

    There was another Tweet pertaining to N Grace.

    “N. Disgrace has set back the cause of all women who have survived domestic violence. Her circus makes a mockery of something very serious.”

    I’m trying to understand if Skankstein is setting herself up for a backlash of consequences.

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 11:15 am

      What can they do – she’s not doing the actual tweeting, DonoMAN is. Plus I think that everyone knew about how she offered to plead and was turned down flat and that was when she threatened to disparage everyone and everything that has ever crossed her path.

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 11:34 am

      Hello Janna. The plea is/was common knowledge. Have you read the letter from Nurmi regarding same? It is pretty sickening because she does basically threaten to drag the Alexander’s family and friends thru the mud!

      With regard to the other tweets …. I just have to keep saying to myself (because you KNOW how pissed I was last night!) …. she is “innocent” until proving guilty. So, until she is actually convicted only jailhouse rules (that Sherriff) can control her. PUKE!!! It will end soon. And some of it MUST be coming from Donoman — who will quickly loose interest when the WOBO is in the clink for good.

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 11:39 am

        Well once she’s convicted, I thought that she and DonoMan couldn’t even have contact because they will BOTH be convicted felons????????? Is that correct?????????

      • Family of Law
        05/07/2013 at 12:31 pm

        G’morning HJ 🙂 Did you read the link to that plea I posted (currently at #39 ? It shouldn’t amaze me, but it does- so mant threats about dragging Travis and the Alexanders through the mud. So sick.

  15. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 11:12 am

    And the one from her mother – didn’t want to put them together because I was scared I’d end up in moderation and the naughty corner 😦

    http://twitdoc.com/view.asp?id=94224&sid=20PC&ext=PDF&lcl=JA-Letter-from-Jodi-Mom-to-Judge-re-Nurmi-Motion-to-Withdraw.pdf&usr=zou2&doc=139834211&key=key-s6121q91r9r7mipmwge

    • Dewey
      05/07/2013 at 11:23 am

      Well why didnt someone say from the beginning that she was helping the other inmates by singing for them! Now thats how you “plea” for your daughters life!

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 11:28 am

        😆

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 11:29 am

        and don’t forget that she won Prison Idol for her version of O Holy Night – which has now been forever ruined for me!!!! 😦

  16. HJ Madison
    05/07/2013 at 11:14 am

    Hello everyone~~~~. Just scanned thru….. Did anyone post the jury will start late this morning? Not coming in until 10… helped fuel some talking head speculation they went home and slept on a verdict …. Got to go upstairs, and next door to get caught up.

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 11:17 am

      No I didn’t know that. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH maybe it is true that they are gonna announce the verdict at 10 cause they have to give the media, family, attorney’s, etc. one hour’s notice.

      • HJ Madison
        05/07/2013 at 11:23 am

        I posted that just for you! Missed you last night …. and then that Jenkasaurus said she thought the jury looked like they were in disagreement with each other …. but wise Beth Karas did not seem to agree with Jean. She just told us they we due back at 10, unknown reason, maybe sleeping on it, and no jury questions at all. Then NG came out with WOBO’s commissary request up — hilarious! She even wanted a Theusaurus.

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 11:27 am

        THank you, thank you, thank you darlin’ – I loooooooooooooove you. My nap lasted all night, with an occasional check to see if there was a verdict.

        How much you want to bet that they keep Jenkasaurus because she flip flops and still let Beth Karas go because she knows of what she speaks???????

  17. 05/07/2013 at 11:17 am

    Wowzer Jodi obviously is still feeling as if things are going her way. She been busy bee with new tweets. Says all this could have been avoided cuz she tried to plea but state wouldn’t allow. OMG I hope she does not win…. anything less than 1st degree murder will be a win 4 her.

    • Jill
      05/07/2013 at 11:22 am

      I know. I’m so nervous right now.
      This is so unfair how she still feels like she is in the drivers seat.

      • HJ Madison
        05/07/2013 at 11:25 am

        Hey Jill … I never got to ask … Hubby OK? Did you get to see what you missed the day you had to act like a life partner? Did tha app work for you?

      • Jill
        05/07/2013 at 11:29 am

        Hi HJ, I replied to u a few days back. Yes, he’s fine and I appreciate u asking! How sweet of u to remember.
        Yes, I got all caught up pretty quickly.
        Thankfully, he’s back at work so I can stress and do my crazy rituals of checking this blog every three minutes and have HLN on in the background.

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 12:20 pm

      Unbelievable she has the nerve to tweet as she’s awaiting her fate. What is this disaster she’s referring to? Her defense?

      • Lisa M
        05/07/2013 at 12:20 pm

        Laying groundwork for an appeal perhaps for inept counsel?

    • Kathy A.
      05/07/2013 at 12:45 pm

      If they return a verdict of 1st Degree, and she gets LWOP instead of death, the one positive I can see to that is the prison won’t keep her segregated from the general population forever. There are a lot of women in there who won’t fall all over her like Donoman; in fact, they will not appreciate her “better than you” attitude, or her B.S. claims of abuse when many of them have been through horrendously abusive situations, and well, they have their own ways of meting out justice.

  18. Wendy
    05/07/2013 at 11:24 am

    My hubby is getting bent out of shape over this. Not because he is keeping up with it, but because I am. It’s driving him nuts! He said if they don’t do something soon I’m going to shoot her. Gotta love that man. Praying justice for Travis comes today.

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 11:31 am

      Well Wendy, if the jury doesn’t provide the just verdict, tell hubby he is formally on notice!!!

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 11:32 am

        Oh and when and if he goes to Az from Tennessee, tell him not to use the JA handbook. It doesn’t work 😉

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 11:33 am

        Sorry, you’re in Kentucky I think (really need a crossed eyes emoticon just for me)

      • Nienna
        05/07/2013 at 11:43 am

        Testing %-)

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 11:45 am

      X)- If this doesn’t work I quit! Following instructions on how to make a crossed eye emoticon

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 11:56 am

        Thanks for trying – I think only certain ones work with wordpress.

  19. 05/07/2013 at 11:33 am

    Ok, so uneasy today. So fearful for this jury. There is so much information that we as spectators have been privy to that the jury has not. If they do not find her guilty in the 1st degree can you imagine how awful they will feel when released from their duties and find out they got it wrong. Please God, help these 12 people, PLEASE!

    • Dewey
      05/07/2013 at 11:44 am

      I stated in an earlier post that I really feel that Juan laid out his case clearly and most importantly, logically in his closing/rebuttal. I dont think they need the extra information that never made it into testimony to find murder one.

      • 05/07/2013 at 11:51 am

        I agree Dewey, I think Juan has done his best. I guess I’m just gun shy from the CA case where apparently that jury did not have an ounce of common sense between them. And just extremely fearful that they will find a lesser crime has been committed. Just have ants in my pants & don’t think I will be calm until I hear the words.

      • Dewey
        05/07/2013 at 11:54 am

        I agree, the CA case has everyone very worried about this verdict.

      • Lisa M
        05/07/2013 at 12:23 pm

        I hope you’re right Dewey. The jury has so much evidence and from what we’ve seen of their questions they’re intelligent. I just don’t know why it’s taking them so long! This is such a cut and dry case in my view but I guess there might be one or two people who have been confused by the defense’s claims.

  20. 05/07/2013 at 11:46 am

    Good morning eVeryone… hopefully tody is verdict day. i read David Lohr”s post today. Now this could be considered frightening…. Check out the poll at the end of the article.(You need to vote to see results)
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/06/jodi-arias-verdict-prediction_n_2855214.html

    • Dewey
      05/07/2013 at 11:50 am

      the 11% not guilty amazes me.

    • Family of Law
      05/07/2013 at 12:36 pm

      Thanks Deco- no doubt the 11% are active members on that ridiculous jodiariasisinnocent blog! Ugh!!!

  21. Wendy
    05/07/2013 at 11:48 am

    I am in KY. I just hope I get to go with him.

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 11:55 am

      See, I knew as soon as I hit post comment I had it wrong 😦

  22. Lisa M
    05/07/2013 at 11:50 am

    I know nobody has the answer to this of course because none of us has a crystal ball but do u think there’s any chance they’ll come back with a second degree conviction? Personally I feel like there’s so much evidence of premeditation that its inconceivable to me that the jury would put it aside. To me they either go for manslaughter or an acquittal if they believe the defense’s story or first degree. Or there’s a hung jury. I just don’t see how second degree makes sense as an option: murder w/o premeditation? So that means she intentionally murdered him but it just happened in the moment and we know premeditation can occur jusr minutes before. The only way I think the jury could vote for second degree would be if they think she didn’t premeditate the crime and she didn’t act completely in justifiable self defense and may have snapped but see the stabbing as unnecessary. Maybe if they believe she was in a fog but still came out of the fog enough to have called 911 and gotten help for Travis. It’s so obvious that Jodi was willing to cop to second degree by her testimony. She knows she cant justify not calling 911 from the desert and yet of course isn’t willing to admit to first degree. She’s been driving this thing from day one, all the testimony is crafted to allow the possibility for acquittal or manslaughter as best case (unlikely) scenarios but with the hope of second degree murder. That’s why I wanted Juan to focus on those calls she made to Travis’ phone from the desert because an argument possibly could be made for second degree if they actually believe she was foggy, knew she’d done something bad, but didn’t do all she could have, ie call 911 and have them check on him. But all of the things she did right after “waking up out of the fog” show that there’s no way it was self-defense, manslaughter, or second degree myrder but had to be fist degree murder. She knew he was dead, knew she’d done it and started the coverup in a rational manner. No one in a fog or just coming out of a fog would ever have the wherewithal or even the notion of calling the victim’s cell phone and leave messages that make it sound like she wasnt there. What greater evidence of premeditation is there?

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 12:08 pm

      Actually I can’t remember if the calls were immediately after she came out of the “fog” because I’m not even sure how long the fog lasted, but I know there were a couple later that night and one or more a week later. I can’t remember how the defense justified those calls, does anyone remember? Oh I guess what the jury is supposed to believe is that she quickly went into coverup mode even though she was never clear on when she knew he was dead- another thing Juan didn’t bring up in his closing- but whatever. She never gave a straight answer. It’s all so ludicrous, it will be very hard to believe if this jury doesn’t come back with a first degree verdict today.

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 12:08 pm

      Hello Lisa: I see 2nd degree only as a compromise between those believing 1st and those buying the “heat of passion”.

      • Lisa M
        05/07/2013 at 12:14 pm

        Yes HJ I guess that’s the only way it could come about. First degree is the only verdict that matches the evidence!

      • Crystal Harris
        05/07/2013 at 10:29 pm

        I agree with you, Madison. Though I see more than enough evidence for 1st degree. I’m really not concerned with the length of jury deliberations so far either. It was a 4 mo trial. Juries have been known to deliberate this long for trials lasting much shorter and still have Guilty verdicts. If they go into next week, then I will start to worry about a hung jury.

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 12:27 pm

      Not to be too technical, but I think the post-murder activities fall more into “conscienceness of guilt” than “premeditation”. I think JM was laser focused on just the evidence that could show pre-planning. She set up her alibi with Ryan Burns and then methodically went about creating the illusion she was no where near AZ. The calls will be used to show just how cold and calculating she is — why she deserves the DP. IMO.

  23. Nienna
    05/07/2013 at 11:52 am
    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 11:54 am

      Yeah Travis – everyone’s trying their best for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XOXOXOXOXOXOX

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 12:10 pm

      My sentiments exactly!! I mean, come on!

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 12:11 pm

      I love that photo.

    • 05/07/2013 at 12:20 pm

      We know the anxiety Travis! HELP THEM TRAVIS! Show them the way! ♥

  24. Nienna
    05/07/2013 at 11:54 am
    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 12:05 pm

      Here here. It’s just too bad we had to lose such a nice human being!!!

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 12:12 pm

      Yes! Please!

  25. Family of Law
    05/07/2013 at 11:58 am

    Schaeffer, are you here? I just wanted to say that I think your postings are so important here, you have always provided a wealth of valuable information and opinions, thank you!

    • Schaeffer
      05/07/2013 at 1:55 pm

      How very kind of you to say so. Thank you.

  26. NancyB
    05/07/2013 at 12:21 pm

    I’ve been out of the loop since Friday and haven’t had a chance yet to catch up on all the wonderful comments. If this has already been posted, just pass over.



    In the Mikee Kungpao video that I posted above …(He does a review of the closings)…even though he is a hilarious comedian…he makes some chilling points that go hand and hand with what we all have been thinking.

    Mikee Kungpao says that Nurmi asks:

    “If she wanted to kill him why not just shoot him in the back while he sleeps?”

    Mikee Kungpao responds…

    Because that’s not what she wanted. She didn’t WANT to shoot him in the back and have him die in his sleep and be none the wiser. That’s not what she wanted for him. That would ruin the entire point of killing him. She wanted him to know that he had fucked with the wrong person and he was going to pay. She wanted him to SEE who it was that was killing him and SHE wanted to WATCH HIM DIE.

    That’s why she took the camera and that’s why she sneaks peeks at the autopsy photos…not once or twice…but over and over when they are shown during closings…

    it’s the LAST CHANCE she will EVER GET to see them no matter what the outcome is!

    She LIKES looking at them. It gives her a sense that SHE WON…she showed him.

    • Dewey
      05/07/2013 at 12:28 pm

      Yes, hence the “still beat ya” comment when she was alone in the interrogation room.

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 12:29 pm

      Welcome back Nancy {{{{{{hugs}}}}}}} we missed you!!! I agree completely with Mikee Kungpao!

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 12:29 pm

      Perhaps the jury is debating over which came first the gunshot or the stabbing. Maybe the MEs cross worried some people? Unfortunately he came across as more human and less authoritative in the sur surrebuttal. But the defense never put another ME or medical doctor on the stand to rebut him, only that Geffner guy. Thats pretty telling if they couldn’t a doctor to rebut his findings.

    • CC ...
      05/07/2013 at 12:40 pm

      Nancy, thank you for posting this. This guy has her number. Let’s hope the jury sees it this same way, too!

    • Crystal Harris
      05/07/2013 at 10:33 pm

      I was thinking the exact same thing when Nurmi was making that weak-ass argument. Shooting him in the back was not personal enough. This killing was intimate.

  27. 05/07/2013 at 12:23 pm

    So, I’m sitting here, TV on, and decide to change the channel to get m y mind off verdict watch. I channel surf and end up on ID. The case is about a Mormon couple in Arizona. The wife kept extensive journals. She was found dead in her bathtub after taking an overdose of ambien. Cuse of Death was ruled undetermined. It did appear to be a suicide as wife wrote about her depression and revelations and prophecies she had received that her death was imminent.
    Seven years later the husband is indicted and who is now on my screen? Prosecutor Kuan Martinez. !!! Demeanor exactly the same as in the Arias trial. Now I’m waiting for another Verdict. Ack!!! Oh, the title is Fatal Visions.

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 12:29 pm

      small world isn’t it!

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 12:35 pm

      Is this the one where the wife supposedly gave permission to marry the girlfriend and killed herself to accommodate?

  28. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 12:26 pm

    Mitigation Specialist just arrived at court according to HLN. None of the attorneys or family were there yesterday. Don’t know if ya can read anything into this but I am, hopefully, please dear god, justice for Travis……………………………..

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 12:30 pm

      From your mouth to God’s ears, MMD!

      • truejustice
        05/07/2013 at 12:33 pm

        I was typing those exact words!!

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 12:31 pm

      She could just be there to chit chat with the WOBO about what life on death row will be like! 😁

  29. truejustice
    05/07/2013 at 12:37 pm

    just saw this tweet to Chris Stark :

    Travis Alexander ‏@TravisAlexadr now
    @stark3923 lies! I’m the criminal. I got what I deserved. #Pray4jodi
    Expand

    Disgusting – what a poor excuse for a human being this person is.

  30. NancyB
    05/07/2013 at 12:42 pm

    I’m especially aggravated to see her tweet about Juan & her outrageous tweet that the state refused to offer her a deal & then throwing in the non sequitur about suicide.
    Tweets

    Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 12h

    N. DisGrace has set back the cause of all women who have survived domestic violence. Her circus makes a mockery of something very serious.
    Expand
    Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 13h

    Re: commissary,many of the items I didn’t receive were for indigent girls less fortunate than me. I,thankfully,have a mini surplus of food.
    Expand
    Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 13h

    I wanted so much to avoid trial but the State forced it. My only other option was suicide and,well…
    Expand
    Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 13h

    I would have signed a plea years ago to avoid this disaster, but I was refused a plea as the State and the family refused to settle.
    Expand
    Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 5 May

    Group prayer in a little while, 6PM PST. Go to “Jodi Arias Friends and Family” Facebook group for details. Thx 4 your prayers and God bless.
    Expand
    Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 5 May

    Some old pen doodles circa 1997 are also up, same website. It isn’t signed but I’ve held onto it for years because I love it.
    Expand
    Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 5 May

    Correction: some of my older work from the 90’s is at http://jodiariasisinnocent.com/jodi-arias-art-gallery-original-drawings-jodi-arias-is-innocent/ …. some are signed “Jodie” b/c in HS I thought that was cool.
    Expand
    Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 4 May

    9 days out of 10… that sounds about right.
    Expand
    Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 3 May

    Commissary didn’t arrive this week. It’s like waking up on Christmas morning and discovering that Santa skipped your neighborhood.
    Expand
    Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 3 May

    Hypocrisy bugs. Wish we could shine a spotlight on all of Juan’s lies,lies he’s made on record over the years in a court of law.
    Expand
    Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 3 May

    Group Prayer scheduled this Sunday,6p.m. PST. Go to “JodiAriasfriendsand family” Facebook group for details. Thank you and God bless.
    Expand
    Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 3 May

    Just the friendly FYI,:I am NOT profiting from my artwork: But it seems like everyone else is.
    __________________________________________________________

    I found this info on her artwork on facebook. Please send a complaint to Go Daddy.
    RE: ARIAS SELLING ARTWORK…

    If your not to busy today please feel free to file a complaint with Go Daddy about Arias selling copyright work on their site, Dior has been contacted and are looking into her copyright photo of their site, I just filed a complaint with Go Daddy as what she does is copy other’s work, She is not a true artist, she is a tracer of sorts. Happy Monday Justice for Travis TODAY!!!!

    http://www.jodiarias.com/
    Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (http://www.godaddy.com)
    Domain Name: JODIARIAS.COM
    Created on: 16-Feb-11
    Expires on: 16-Feb-14
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    Registrant:
    Domains By Proxy, LLC
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    14747 N Northsight Blvd Suite 111, PMB 309
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    Administrative Contact:
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    14747 N Northsight Blvd Suite 111, PMB 309
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    (480) 624-2599 Fax — (480) 624-2598

    SHUT HER DOWN FOR COPYRIGHT….CONTACT GO DADDY WITH COMPLAINTS
    https://supportcenter.godaddy.com/Abuse/SpamReport.aspx?ci=22420
    Jodi Arias Art | Art Auction
    http://www.jodiarias.com
    “I painted this in 2006 after buying my house in Palm Desert. The desert possess…See More

    Jodi Arias Art | Art Auction
    http://www.jodiarias.com
    “I painted this in 2006 after buying my house in Palm Desert. The desert possesses its own raw beauty, but I found myself very much missing the coast and Monterey County–where Big Sur is; it’s where I called “Home” for years. So, I painted this mildly abstract summer sunset on the south coast of Big…

    Just FYI if anyone wants to complain!

    • Family of Law
      05/07/2013 at 1:06 pm

      Hi Nancy- you’ve been missed! Reading those tweets, boils my blood! Her tweet about the plea deal/ suicide comment is what made me re-post the link upstairs that contains that plea…it angers me to no end!

    • Kathy A.
      05/07/2013 at 5:26 pm

      Joey Jackson on HLN was just talking about the tweets that JA has been sending out, and he said “How about a tweet to the Alexander family, saying you’re sorry you did this?” But as the others with him said, it’s all about her. Also that the cameras are off of her right now and she can’t stand it, so this is her way to get attention. They felt it’s going to hurt her further (good) but that it proves she’s going to do what she wants, no matter what her lawyers may tell her to do.

  31. Family of Law
    05/07/2013 at 12:43 pm

    Oooh! Just saw a tweet from ABC Arizona “Juan just arrived at the courthouse “smiling ear to ear”!

    • truejustice
      05/07/2013 at 12:45 pm

      Looking better all the time !

      • CC ...
        05/07/2013 at 12:48 pm

        Oh .. be still my heart! I hope it is a sign.
        How can I possibly focus when work is getting in the way??

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 12:48 pm

      !!!!!!!!!!!

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 1:58 pm

      Really?!

  32. Family of Law
    05/07/2013 at 12:47 pm

    What was the description of juror #3? There is a rumor that 3 is the foreman.

    • Katie
      05/07/2013 at 1:04 pm

      If juror number 3 is the foreman I’m so happy! Lady in her late fifties to sixties, lots of notes, submitted questions, and watched juan the most 🙂

      • Katie
        05/07/2013 at 1:05 pm

        Sorry in her forties….

      • Family of Law
        05/07/2013 at 1:11 pm

        Thanks Katie 🙂 That would be great if then of this rumor is true!!!

  33. Kathy A.
    05/07/2013 at 12:48 pm

    MMD :
    Oh and when and if he goes to Az from Tennessee, tell him not to use the JA handbook. It doesn’t work

    OMG – if he uses JA’s handbook to get to AZ from either Tennessee or Kentucky, it will take him through Maine and Mexico to get here! 🙂

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 12:50 pm

      hey, may as well throw Canada in there as well.

      • Nienna
        05/07/2013 at 12:51 pm

        Think my pigeon was reading this book before it left yesterday 🙂

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 1:11 pm

        That explains why we didn’t receive your message 😉

    • Wendy
      05/07/2013 at 12:51 pm

      ROFL!!!

  34. Kristi
    05/07/2013 at 12:49 pm

    I am hopeful that this jury unanimously agreed on JAs guilt right off the bat, but they decided to go over the case anyway in the interests of being thorough. On Friday, didn’t they announce they would deliberate M-F 9-5? So the fact that they set their start time for today at 10 tells me they are planning something different for today.

    Regardless of the jury verdict, I am 100% confident that Jodi Arias will pay for her crime with her soul. As Crystal said yesterday, you can not trick God. She will get what she deserves.

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 1:14 pm

      9-4:30 – court hours. Being devil’s advocate Kristi so don’t shoot the messenger, maybe one of the juror’s wanted to sleep in or had an appointment????

      As for JA paying with her soul, that’s basically what Judge Perry said yesterday about CA.

      • Kristi
        05/07/2013 at 1:30 pm

        MMD, no shooting 🙂 I’m grasping for good signs.

      • SCK
        05/07/2013 at 4:18 pm

        It just won’t be quick enough. Can you imagine her reproducing??? Good Lord help us all.

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 1:55 pm

      I don’t think they started till 11:00 today though.

  35. Dewey
    05/07/2013 at 12:51 pm

    beth karas just said wilmott is there meeting with JA in holding cell.

  36. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 12:51 pm

    MT, JM, Gidget, Victims’s advocate have all made an appearance at the courthouse according to HLN.

    • Dewey
      05/07/2013 at 12:53 pm

      MMD did you see dr drew last night when atty mark eiglarsh was sitting in the fog?

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 1:00 pm

        No I slept through it and I’m sooooooooooooooooo upset. If anyone can post it, please do. I would love to see the Hughes again as well as Mark in the fog. For a defense attorney who has been hard on JM, he has really come around quite a bit 🙂

      • Dewey
        05/07/2013 at 1:03 pm

        i know its wrong to find humor in this mess, but it was at jodis expense so i figured it was ok to laugh, and it was funny.

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 1:59 pm

      Does that mean anything? We’re they there yesterday?

  37. HJ Madison
    05/07/2013 at 12:51 pm

    CC … :
    Oh .. be still my heart! I hope it is a sign.
    How can I possibly focus when work is getting in the way??

    You can’t … better just break out the Vino and Kit Kats …😉

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 12:54 pm

      Multitask CC … vino and saying you feel ill and get home immediately!!!! 😉 priorities, darlin’ priorities

  38. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 12:53 pm

    The thing is though that they have to provide everyone with one hour’s notice when they reach a verdict. These people may be just speculating as much as we are because they wouldn’t know as the media hasn’t been informed yet.

  39. Wendy
    05/07/2013 at 12:53 pm

    I just had a friend call and tell me she saw someone saying she didn’t know what she was going to do when this was over. She said ” I have a psycho friend like that!”. So mean to me. lol

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 12:56 pm

      You have lots of psycho friends like that 😯 Obviously your friend is in the minority of world events 😆

      • Wendy
        05/07/2013 at 12:57 pm

        I know and I love them all!

    • Family of Law
      05/07/2013 at 12:59 pm

      Hi Wendy 🙂 How’s your Mom doing? (sorry to make you repeat if you’ve already provided an update…)

      • Wendy
        05/07/2013 at 1:04 pm

        Hi! Shes good. Thanks! Just going to be a long road to recovery but she is going to come through just fine. (I hope)

      • Family of Law
        05/07/2013 at 1:12 pm

        That is wonderful news! I’m so glad to hear that! 🌷

    • nyccowgirl
      05/07/2013 at 1:02 pm

      A guy I’m seeing called me last night to say he was going to stage an intervention, especially since the lack of verdict yesterday had me in a serious funk!

      I just want to thank all of you in advance for the play by play that keeps me entertained while at work during the verdict watch. And of course, all the information over the last few months from your usual players: Syn, Robert, Jay, MMD, HJ, Schaeffer, FOL, Jim, and last but definitely not least, the ‘ol’ hens’ (and I apologize for the slew of others that have slipped my mind – been a lurker/stalker for a while)! Thanks Donchais for the daily recaps and monitoring the sandbox! Positive thoughts all!

      • Family of Law
        05/07/2013 at 1:16 pm

        Hi NYCG 🙂 My hubby tells me that he has Dr. DeMarte’s cell number on speed dial for me, he’d be happy to share with you BF! Lol!!!!

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 1:39 pm

        Don’t worry – we’ll have your back if he tries to stage an intervention. He has nooooooooooooo idea of what he would be up against!!!! At least FOL’s husband is using humour to deal with this 😀

  40. 05/07/2013 at 12:57 pm

    Beth Karasreported Wilmot, Martinez, MS, Victims advocate are there….. Busy on 5th floor, unlike yesterday when quiet.

    • 05/07/2013 at 1:00 pm

      Oops…I was so excited I didn’t see that this had already been posted…

  41. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 12:58 pm

    I still can’t get over all these people on HLN who keep referring to a certain person as Nurmi. I have no idea who the hell he is. I know about Wurmi 😉

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 12:59 pm

      lol

  42. Nienna
    05/07/2013 at 12:59 pm

    May as well had 18 cups of coffee. My body is vibrating in anticipation!!!

  43. Nienna
    05/07/2013 at 1:00 pm

    Hmmm…

    Wild About Trial@WildAboutTrial
    Inside hallway now. Keeping my eyes open. Jurors are seen dressed down for the most part.

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 1:02 pm

      damn – I was just gonna post that!!!

  44. 05/07/2013 at 1:02 pm

    OMG… Attorney’s have been seen in the courthouse!

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 1:04 pm

      Yes but no Nurmi, Alexanders, Flores,
      media notice, etc. Gidget just left the courthouse.

      • 05/07/2013 at 1:08 pm

        G’Morning, MMD… Boy you guys are fast. I even checked before I posted this downstairs.

  45. Nienna
    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 1:06 pm

      TY darlin’ – too funny 😀

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 1:07 pm

      How funny! Thanks for the link! LOL!

    • Kathy A.
      05/07/2013 at 1:17 pm

      That is so funny. “I’ve been in the fog for 10 minutes and so far I remember everything.” 🙂 I admit, I was one of those who blasted Mark Eiglarsh for what seemed like all of his anti-Juan comments, and I had always liked him. I’ve seen him on HLN and Court TV/In Session offering his commentary on cases for years and thought he was pretty fair and astute, but I got annoyed because it seemed like no matter which way Juan moved, he was going to disagree with it, even though I know he believes JA is guilty and should get 1st Degree murder.

  46. 05/07/2013 at 1:04 pm

    JW just left courthouse… ugh

  47. 05/07/2013 at 1:05 pm

    Wilmot left courthouse.. GAH!

  48. 05/07/2013 at 1:06 pm

    good grief can’t take this!!!!

    • truejustice
      05/07/2013 at 1:14 pm

      ME either . seriously going nuts. Wish they could put a sign out … Like ” Today Possible ” , “No way today” UG

  49. Kathy A.
    05/07/2013 at 1:08 pm

    Nienna :
    Think my pigeon was reading this book before it left yesterday

    😀

    Oh no! Think your pigeon is going to be gone for awhile.

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 1:12 pm

      It’s good thing I have back up! 🙂

  50. truejustice
    05/07/2013 at 1:09 pm

    jose miguel @reporterjmiguel
    One observation while I was leaving court..HUGE police presence. Do they know something we don’t?? #Arias #JodiArias

    • Dewey
      05/07/2013 at 1:14 pm

      probably to keep order if the verdict comes in today. im sure the crowd is getting bigger. emotions will be running high, especially if someone doesnt get the outcome they want.

  51. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 1:09 pm

    If anyone can post the entire Dr. Drew show from last night would they please do it. I would really like to see it and will grovel if necessary…………. 🙂 please and thank you xoxoxoxoxo

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 1:13 pm

      I know! They only do the tiny bits online that I can tell. So I will grovel with you!!

    • 05/07/2013 at 1:16 pm

      MMD…I don’t know if this will work. Also, the video of Mark Eiglarsh in the fog is hysterical!

      http://www.hlntv.com/shows/dr-drew

      These are just clips…couldn’t get the whole thing. Sorry.

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 1:17 pm

      OK Nienna and I are both grovelling. Someone posted the entire shows when Sky Hughes and then the next night Chris Hughes were on Dr. Drew. Who ever did that, do ya really want to see 2 grown women grovel?????????????????? Truly, cause we will 🙂

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 2:01 pm

      Where has Observer been?

  52. Moon
    05/07/2013 at 1:10 pm

    Just want to take a moment to kindly thank Donchais, for providing this site/playground/sandbox. It’s been a lifesaver for me trying to make sense out of this trial. I was quickly captivated to this trial and even more quickly I became obsessed.

    As I stated when I first started posting, I had never joined in with any of these kinds of sites, and I want to thank all of you for graciously allowing me to join in and participate. My goal was to never directly (or indirectly) hurt or insult any of you, but rather vent the anger and frustration I’ve felt towards this case.
    I’ve been able to learn so much about so many different things while being allowed to ‘play’ here. Thanks to all of you for sharing and for the wonderful insights on so much!

    I wish Light and Love to all of you. Thank you

    • Family of Law
      05/07/2013 at 1:21 pm

      G’morning Moon! I echo your sentiments, thank you 🙂
      FYI, I’ve always enjoyed your venting… They helped ease my own frustrations!

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 1:43 pm

      Morning darlin; – I think that you pretty well said it better than any of us could. We’re only as good as the sum of ALL of our parts and our awesome host, donchais 😀

  53. Nienna
    05/07/2013 at 1:12 pm

    Wild About Trial@WildAboutTrial
    Confirmation that jurors started deliberating at 10:00

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 1:15 pm

      Think that they had a verdict and went home to sleep on it. Then someone may have wanted to clarify something first. Maybe.

  54. Family of Law
    05/07/2013 at 1:18 pm

    Syn? Robert? Where did you two go? Get back here, now please!

    MMD, will you please “assume the stance”? They’ll listen to you 🙂

  55. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 1:19 pm

    I wonder what they do in the courtroom while we wait. They can’t start another trial because they would have to stop it to provide the verdict. Inquiring minds would like to know ❓

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 1:26 pm

      You just wait … and wait. The Judge can conduct other business.

    • Family of Law
      05/07/2013 at 1:29 pm

      I’m feeling nauseous, I can’t stand this much longer… I pray there is JUSTICE today! I’m quietly bracing myself for devastating news…The thought of JA “winning (brat)” makes me physically ill… Trying to breathe…. And HOPE the verdict comes back GUILTY of 1st degree Murder, premeditated!!!! Soon!!!!!!

  56. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 1:20 pm

    I think that Robert is at the theatre and I can’t seem to rouse Syn. I’ve already tried!!! 😦

  57. NancyB
    05/07/2013 at 1:27 pm

    Hi and I missed all of you!!

    Here ya go MMD:

    DR. DREW

    Jodi Arias Murder Case

    Aired May 6, 2013 – 21:00 ET

    THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

    (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

    DR. DREW PINSKY, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, verdict watch day two.

    Travis Alexander`s best friends, Chris and Sky Hughes are anxious about the decision. They`re losing sleep over the chance that Travis` killer may not be convicted.

    And you`ll hear this for the first time. Exclusive audio of Travis in tears. About how much Chris meant to him.

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m just grateful. This man is my salvation. Because I`m able to do a lot of things that I otherwise wouldn`t be able to do.

    PINSKY: Chris and Sky Hughes are answering my questions and yours.

    Let`s get started.

    (END VIDEOTAPE)

    PINSKY: Good evening, everybody. My co-host is HLN anchor Christi Paul.

    Christi, thanks for joining us.

    Jodi Arias jury has been at it for 7.5 hours.

    And we`ve got coming up, Travis Alexander`s best friends, Sky and Chris Hughes. They will comment on never before heard audio of Travis. And they`re taking your calls, my questions, my guests` questions.

    But first, we`re all pretty familiar with the term “reasonable doubt”, but the jury has to decide whether Jodi Arias is a reasonable person. Which, I`m not so sure about, Christi. Take a look at this.

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS)

    JUDGE: The use of deadly physical force is justified if a reasonable person in the situation would have reasonably believed that immediate deadly physical danger appeared to be present.

    KIRK NURMI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: She was in reasonable fear that he was going to end her life. The state of mind of a reasonable person shall be determined from the perspective of a reasonable person.

    This person right here, who has been an act, who has been — who has been a victim of those past acts of domestic violence.

    JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: And they said to you, the use of deadly physical force is justified if a reasonable person — and they said she`s a reasonable person. No. There`s a naked guy in the shower. And this naked guy in the shower is mad at her.

    A reasonable person would have just left. Is he going to follow her down the street naked? No, the law says a reasonable person. It doesn`t say that the defendant is a reasonable person. The defendant is a liar and a killer.

    (END VIDEO CLIPS)

    PINSKY: Christi, what do you think about that? I think Juan Martinez is on to something. That`s the way I feel.

    CHRISTI PAUL, HLN ANCHOR: Wow, I would say that everybody I`ve been listening to Facebook and Twitter agrees with you. Everybody thinks he is definitely onto something.

    I have a theory about this, though, Drew.

    PINSKY: Please? Share.

    PAUL: And my theory is this, at some point in her life, I do think something traumatic happened to her. Because I don`t know how could you do what she did to him and in any way, shape, or form be reasonable or not mental in some capacity. And part of me feels like the range she used, perhaps she used rage that she had held up in herself for somebody else partly when she killed Travis.

    PINSKY: But, Christi, to allow that to be a defense for Jodi Arias is doing a disservice to people who struggled with these things on a daily basis, but don`t kill anybody. You have to be a special person, maybe not a reasonable person to go that far.

    PAUL: I`m not saying it`s OK. I`m not saying it`s OK, but that`s my theory.

    PINSKY: Your theory is right, except she had another layer on top. She had the part where she is goal-directed and self-directed and doesn`t really in certain situations appreciate that her actions are wrong. She thinks he had it coming. She`s justified. Her version of the world begs no alternative. And thus we have their situation.

    Out there in Arizona, we have “In Session” correspondent Beth Karas who`s been covering the trial.

    So, Beth, tell me something. Where is Jodi right now, and what are the attorneys up to during these deliberations? Are they by her side in or are they going on to the next case and preparing?

    BETH KARAS, “IN SESSION” CORRESPONDENT: — the prosecutors in his office. Family members on both sides are waiting elsewhere about 20, 30 minutes away is my understanding, in hotels, with relatives. No one`s around except media and a couple of Travis` friends showed up later in the afternoon.

    But Jodi Arias is back at the jail. She waited, though, all day in the courthouse for questions or a verdict. She waited not on the fifth floor where the courtroom is but downstairs in a holding cell. So she should be back at the jail by now.

    PINSKY: Interesting. Thank you, Beth.

    Joining us to discuss, I`ve got three attorneys, because this is really not a medical thing tonight. Three attorneys to help me, Mark Eiglarsh at speaktomark.com, attorney Leo Terrell and former prosecutor Marcia Clark, author of “Guilt by Degrees”.

    Leo, I want to start with you. I`d like for you to paint for us the situation with Jodi`s lawyers. Are they likely to be getting calls from her now? Are they going on to prepare for the next cases? Are they by her side? Are they grinding this out themselves, worrying about what the verdict is going to be?

    What is an attorney doing during this verdict time?

    LEO TERRELL, ATTORNEY: Whatever Jodi wants these attorneys will try to get. These attorneys have a financial, a legal investment into Jodi Arias. They`re focusing on this case and this case only, because, I`m going to tell you, Dr. Drew, that this outcome of this case is a game- changer, a career change for these attorneys. So, anything she wants, anything they can do, they are hinging on this outcome as Jodi Arias.

    You can ask Marcia Clark that. This case is a game-changer. It`s international. So, it`s big.

    PINSKY: I`ll ask Marcia Clark that. Go ahead, Marcia.

    MARCIA CLARK, FORMER PROSECUTOR: He`s right. Leo is right about that. We may not agree on very many things. But we do agree on that.

    And for sure it is. Whether they`re sitting and holding her hand right now depends on what they`re allowing in the jail and that sort of thing, you know? I don`t know what their restrictions are.

    But I do want to say this, Drew.

    PINSKY: Please?

    CLARK: What Christi said that, you know, a girl who had not been molested, abused or somehow, suffered some kind of traumatic damage in her life would not have done a thing like this. That is the mindset that the defense is playing to, that that they wouldn`t have — she couldn`t have done something this horrific if there wasn`t something very wrong in her life.

    And, by the way, that was the attitude, and that was the defense that worked so well for Lyle and Erik Menendez, when Leslie Abramson argued to that jury, hey, boys don`t kill their parents in this gruesome way if this wasn`t a horrific childhood. And she got a significant number of jurors to go along with that.

    So that is the fear that they`re playing into that very mindset, that wow, something must have happened to her. So, she was a battered woman, because, after all, look what she did.

    Personally, I do not believe it. I think it`s a really disgrace to the whole battered woman syndrome that they`ve been using. It upsets me to no end because it does tend to focus a bad light on a very serious and for real syndrome.

    And so, but that`s the ploy.

    PINSKY: That`s why I think many battered women are upset about this.

    CLARK: Sure.

    PAUL: They are.

    PINSKY: Go ahead, Christi.

    PAUL: They are so upset. I mean, I`ve been hearing from people — I mean, that`s what my book is about. I`ve been hearing from people on Twitter and Facebook about it. They say, you know what? I went through this. And I would in no way drive hundreds of miles to go see a man who did that to me.

    So, what I`m trying to say is I think something traumatic happened to her —

    (CROSSTALK)

    PINSKY: Christi, I think I have an answer. I think I have an answer. I think it`s in Mark`s studio.

    Can you please cut to Mark`s studio? Zero in on his studio for me, please.

    (LAUGHTER)

    PINSKY: Mark — give me a full screen. There.

    Mark, the fog.

    MARK EIGLARSH, ATTORNEY: Yes, Drew.

    PINSKY: What`s happening?

    EIGLARSH: What are you talking about?

    PINSKY: What have you done?

    (LAUGHTER)

    EIGLARSH: Drew, I`m just testing, I`m testing her theory. And the test, the past 10 minutes, I`ve been in a fog. And surprisingly —

    PINSKY: Yes?

    EIGLARSH: No. No. I remember — so far I remember everything. Yes.

    PINSKY: Let me ask you something through the fog. I`ve got a — I`ve got a Twitter from @lynettyspaghetti (ph). She says, “Oh, my gosh, Mark, Drew, oh my God, tell me why this jury hasn`t come back with a verdict. Are you kidding me? I feel physically sick.”

    EIGLARSH: Well, I can answer that. They`re not going to come back right away because their actions are going to be scrutinized. If they find her guilty too quickly, there will be criticism that they think didn`t look through all exhibits. They didn`t take their time and look through everything.

    And also, there might be some who really just want to take their time. They want to make the right decision. Candidly, I think within five minutes, they all just laughed at this fog defense and just said, you know what? Should we come back quickly, or should we chill out and, you know, just eat their food for another day or two.

    PINSKY: And, Leo, do you agree with that?

    TERRELL: No. I`m telling you right now — the longer this case goes, the defense has to be happy about this. This is a case where if this was such a slam dunk, we should have gotten a verdict a couple — a day ago. But no, this case is going to go a little bit longer. The deliberations go a little bit longer and that favors the defense.

    PINSKY: Yes. See, Marcia, you and I were talking in the green room. I kind of agree with Leo. I think this is — it`s going to be interesting — when we find out what was going on here, it`s going to be interesting, I think.

    CLARK: Maybe, you know, Drew, it`s true, that the longer they keep them out, that means that they are giving them something to think about. And if they do go past let`s say Thursday, go into Friday, that means that there are some serious questions back in that jury room.

    I personally think that they will come back tomorrow. And I think they will do that because that does make it look good. Mark is right in this regard. No jury that is on a case covered as heavily as this has been s covered is not aware of the fact that everybody`s watching and counting the hours and minutes and time they spend.

    So, if they come back too fast, they don`t want to be that jury.

    PINSKY: Thank you, guys.

    I just want to say, Mark, be careful, there`s no telling what you do in a fog. You know what I`m saying? We`ve got a couple of cases we`ve seen where people do wild things in a fog. So, be careful my friend.

    EIGLARSH: I`m sorry. Who are you again?

    PINSKY: Next up, Chris and Sky Hughes. They knew Travis and Jodi as well as anyone. And they are sharing their insight together here for the first time. And later, you`re going to hear Travis tell us in his own words about what Chris Hughes meant to him. Don`t go away.

    (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

    (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

    PINSKY (voice-over): Chris Hughes and his wife Sky. Few knew Travis Alexander and Jodi Arias as well as they did.

    NURMI: Whose dress was it that you were borrowing?

    JODI ARIAS, MURDER DEFENDANT: His friend`s wife, Sky Hughes.

    PINSKY: From Sky`s generous gesture the first time she met Jodi, to the moment they realized Travis was dating a dangerous woman.

    CHRIS HUGHES, TRAVIS ALEXANDER`S FRIEND: We were so freaked out. And we laid there in bed, my wife and I, wondering, like are our children safe.

    PINSKY: For the first time ever, Chris and Sky Hughes break their silence together, revealing details not shared on the witness stand.

    NURMI: If you were called to testify in Ms. Arias` behalf, would you be happy about that?

    C. HUGHES: No, I would not, because she murdered my friend in cold blood.

    (END VIDEOTAPE)

    PINSKY: That was a set moment for me in the trial.

    Christi Paul my co-host this week. She`s, of course, HLN anchor.

    We`re also joined by Marcia Clark.

    And it appears that Mark Eiglarsh has emerged from the fog. Thank you, Mark, for hanging in with us.

    Joining the four us, Chris and Sky Hughes.

    Chris and Sky, thank you again for joining us. There`s a lot of stuff we want to get to today.

    Marcia Clark was very anxious to talk to you guys. She asked us specifically, can I get –can I ask some questions. So we`ll get to her questions. But speaking of anxiety, you guys, I understand you`re anxious about what this jury is up to.

    SKY HUGHES, TRAVIS ALEXANDER`S FRIEND: Yes. Very, very anxious. All day.

    PINSKY: Why?

    C. HUGHES: Been a long day.

    PINSKY: What are you afraid of?

    C. HUGHES: Not afraid of anything. We`re ready. We`re ready for the verdict, you know?

    We`re just — I know they`ve got to do their thing, but we`re anxious for a verdict. We want to put this behind us and be done with it.

    PINSKY: So when you say you`re anxious, it`s not that you`re anxious that they`re going to do the wrong thing. You`re just anxious to get it over with.

    S. HUGHES: Oh, no. You never know. You know. You never know if they`re going to see, you know, what we see, and get it how we get it. You just I don`t know. You just never know. It just takes one person.

    PINSKY: Right.

    And, Sky, I know how ridiculous people are on Twitter. I know you cover your anxiety with that beautiful smile. And it`s not because you`re happy, because you`re nervous. Like a lot of people smile and some people laugh when they`re nervous. You`re one of those guys.

    Christi, do you have a question for Sky for us?

    S. HUGHES: Yes. I smile all the time.

    PINSKY: Yes, I see that.

    PAUL: You know, one of the things I was interested in, Sky, was I know that you said Travis didn`t want to break up with Jodi because she threatened suicide. And I was wondering what was it — you know, you knew in your gut, you said that she was just manipulative, and she would never commit suicide. What told you that?

    S. HUGHES: Just watching how she was with people. You know? She would manipulate Travis all the time by use of other men, saying these men really like me. He keeps calling me. He keeps texting me. He says that I`m way too good for you and that you don`t deserve me.

    It was clear to me that, you know, somebody and I don`t know (INAUDIBLE) as you guys do, but tell me that talks about it that much and uses it to threaten just doesn`t seem genuine to me.

    PINSKY: To manipulate.

    S. HUGHES: Right.

    PINSKY: Marcia, I want to give you your chance to ask these guys some questions.

    CLARK: I love you guys. As a prosecutor, it`s very difficult, defense typically does go after the victim and they smear and they slime and say awful, horrible things. And having wonderful, articulate, great people like you to sticking up for Travis is necessary to give the balance and I love hearing from you.

    So, I can`t resist to be asking questions.

    Were you guys at Travis` house a number of times? Did you visit where he lived?

    C. HUGHES: Yes.

    S. HUGHES: No.

    PINSKY: Chris, yes?

    S. HUGHES: Chris had been there. I hadn`t.

    PINSKY: OK.

    C. HUGHES: Yes. He used to live in southern California. So we saw him a lot in southern California.

    And then when I moved to Arizona then it was obviously not has frequently, but yes, sure.

    PINSKY: But I have feeling, Chris, I`m going to interrupt, I have a feeling Marcia wants to ask you a legal question.

    CLARK: I`m building up to it.

    PINSKY: Yes, go ahead.

    C. HUGHES: Oh, great. Go ahead.

    CLARK: So having been to his house before and having seen where he lived — no, no problem — have you ever seen a gun there?

    C. HUGHES: No. No. I —

    CLARK: Had you ever known Travis to own a gun?

    C. HUGHES: No. Never. And I love how Juan did that in the courtroom. Not only a gun, no bullets, no case, no sheath, no — what do you call those things? Holster. No indication at all whatsoever that he ever had a gun. And I know him as well as anybody. And the guy didn`t have a gun.

    PINSKY: Marcia, does that satisfy you?

    CLARK: Yes, I knew it. I wanted them to say it.

    PINSKY: There you go.

    CLARK: Thank you, Chris.

    PINSKY: Now, we`ve been having discussions about Jodi and mental illness. Chris, you brought up that already today. And now, here`s what the mother told the detective during interrogation. Take a look at this.

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

    MRS. ARIAS: Jodi has mental problems. Jodi would freak out all the time. I`ve had quite a few of her friends call mow and tell me that I needed to get her some help.

    She would call me in the morning, all happy — and call me an hour or two later in tears, crying and sobbing about something she didn`t want to talk about. And that happened constantly. And her friends saw it too.

    And I had one friend call my in the middle of the night. And he even called a hotline for bipolar people. Said Jodi is bipolar and she needs help.

    (END VIDEO CLIP)

    PINSKY: Yes, Chris, and Sky, I don`t see any evidence of bipolarity. I see all the borderline stuff. The borderline stuff showed up on those site testing.

    What do you think the mom is talking about here?

    C. HUGHES: Well, I don`t know. I mean, they obviously saw her all the time. And she didn`t have to play a part when she was around her parents.

    We saw her playing parts, you know. We didn`t know it when we first met her. But as we observed her over time, we could see this woman is playing a part.

    And just to give you an example. When you or I or any of us got upset about something and should be upset about something, not Jodi. Just flat. You know?

    So she never went up here and just was excited and exhilarated. And she never came down here where she was showing range or anything like that initially. When we first started, when we first got acquainted with her. So, that was alarming to us because it`s like, no, you should be upset about that, whatever that may be that was happening in her life. But she was even-kiltered.

    And we saw evidence of this on the stand. And she made these comments like three or four times like I didn`t want to be perceived as someone who —

    PINSKY: Right.

    C. HUGHES: — or I wanted people to think of me as —

    PINSKY: Right.

    C. HUGHES: Right?

    PINSKY: Yes.

    C. HUGHES: So that happened several times. That`s Jodi in her head playing a role.

    S. HUGHES: She was always very calculated.

    PINSKY: Mark, you have a question for our guests?

    EIGLARSH: I did. Wonderful to see you guys again. Thanks for everything.

    Chris, let me follow up to what you said on this show last time you were on. You had Jodi listening to a conversation that were you having with Travis, one of these like you guys flied to stop seeing each other and Jodi was outside the door I think you said. You were literally concerned based on her reaction.

    But I never got to ask you, what did Travis say that you think Jodi might have heard on the other side of that door?

    C. HUGHES: Well, Travis was just taking it all in. Travis was just – – he was there because he knew we had some things that we wanted to share with him. So, Travis didn`t say anything. He`s just sitting there, while we`re listing off 12, 13, 14, 15 red flags.

    And we weren`t saying hey, you shouldn`t see each other any more. We were saying like you need to get out, like you got to get out of this relationship. And so, Jodi was outside this door listening to all the things we were saying, all these concerns that we had about her. That we were warning Travis about.

    PINSKY: OK.

    S. HUGHES: But to answer your question, Travis` response was that of disbelief. He`s like really? I don`t see that. She`s so nice. She`s so sweet. And I didn`t see what we saw.

    (CROSSTALK)

    PINSKY: So he was sucked in. Yes, he was sucked in to her vortex.

    OK. We`re going to take a quick break here. Christi, I know, I can see your wheel spinning. You got a bunch of questions.

    I want to get to my viewers to call in. So, call here, 855-373-7395, and give you chance to talk to Chris and Sky about Jodi and Travis.

    And we`re going to talk about the police interrogation tape further.

    And we`re going to hear a never before heard audiotape that shows Travis as the caring, sensitive guy everyone has reported.

    Be right back.

    (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

    DETECTIVE FLORES: I think you`re feeling the reality in the moment now.

    (CRYING)

    ARIAS: No. I`m just feeling all of the things that I`m going to potentially miss out on.

    This is a really trivial question, and it`s going to reveal how shallow I am, but before they book me, can I clean myself up a little bit?

    FLORES: You`re going to be taken the way you are.

    (END VIDEO CLI)

    PINSKY: Back with my co-host, HLN`s Christi Paul. She`s the author of “Love Isn`t Supposed to Hurt”.

    And, Christi, you wanted to react to something that Sky and Chris were saying before the break.

    PAUL: Yes. It was so interesting to listen to you talk about how she showed no emotion. And she was so, you know, even keeled. And yet, here she is committing this most horrific crime that we`re all sitting here thinking how could you even do that to another human being, let alone somebody you supposedly loved.

    So, Dr. Drew, I`m wondering how you would characterize her based on what we know and that Chris and Sky just said, that she never showed emotion and now all this rage comes out of nowhere?

    PINSKY: Well, it`s a borderline range. And what she does is chameleon-like, in a chameleon-like fashion, adopts is around her. She sort of gives people what they want, what she thinks she want to see.

    Cheryl Arutt, who`s going to be on our next segment, called it like being like jell-o. You`re looking around for a mold. So the people around here created the mold for the jell-o. And that would hold her together.

    That was the borderline quality under which there`s a deep rage. But she also, we think, has psychopathy where she becomes goal directive. She sees know alternative but her own point of view. And she is capable of killing somebody without really feeling remorse.

    Chris and Sky, I want to go to you guys, I mean, you hear her crying on that interrogation tape. I hear her crying about being caught, I hear her crying about all the things she`s going to miss, I hear no remorse.

    S. HUGHES: Yes, Jodi cries for Jodi and that`s it. She cares about herself.

    PINSKY: Yes. And that`s going to be —

    C. HUGHES: We`ve not seen any remorse.

    PINSKY: That`s got to be very disturbing for you guys to hear that.

    S. HUGHES: Yes. Very much.

    CLARK: You know, Drew, I want to point out one thing to perhaps make Chris and Sky feel a little better. When Nurmi, the defense attorney, said, you know, nine times — nine days out of 10, I don`t like Jodi Arias very much. He made that remark because he`s testing (ph) out what the jury feels. No lawyer who believes that a jury is in love with his client, in love with the dependant, gets up to admit that he doesn`t like his client either.

    The fact that he`s doing that is a very clear sign that he`s tapping into the feeling in the jury room among those jurors that they don`t like her very much. And he`s trying to get them to sympathize with him, you know, get on the same wavelength them. See, you believe me, because I don`t like her either, just like you.

    If he hadn`t felt that way about those jurors, he wouldn`t have said that.

    PINSKY: Mark, you agree?

    EIGLARSH: Yes. I`ve only done that when I really can`t stand my client, and when the jurors probably can`t stand the client. But I want to ask you, Drew, Chris and Sky, the following question. Something caused Travis to send those e-mails that the defense not to wave around and say look, what a person he is, which we all know it got to the boiling point.

    PINSKY: Yes.

    EIGLARSH: I`m trying to figure out what that is.

    PINSKY: Yes.

    EIGLARSH: And I think it had everything to do — just my theory, it had everything to do with that recording. I don`t think he ever consented to it. But if he did, I think she used it as blackmail or she pulls it out and says ah-ha, I`ve got you here.

    I want to know what your theories are about that. What`s got him to that point?

    PINSKY: Let me — Mark, I`ll answer that first. I`m not sure the tapes were it, because they would have been saying in that e-mail exchange then, you hadn`t done that if these things weren`t around, I wouldn`t be upset if you hadn`t, you know, violated my trust like that.

    Sky and Chris, you said in the e-mail exchange, he talks about revealing something about Jodi, and, you, Sky, particularly felt like that was the thing that sent her over the edge to decide to murder him. Do you have any theory about what that thing was that Travis was referring to in that email exchange that was so heated?

    S. HUGHES: Yes. Mark could be right. It might have something to do with that, because she doesn`t — Travis doesn`t really cite anything. And neither does Jodi as to the exact reason for this argument, like we`ve gone through them several times and there was just nothing that it pointed to.

    So it very well could be that recorded call. It`s pretty obvious to me that Travis had no idea they were being recorded. But, yes, I think she might have been threatening to use it with Mimi (ph) or, you know, like to send it to her, I don`t think she would have threatened to send it to hike his church leaders, because they already knew everything that was going on.

    So, it wasn`t like she was going to expose him in that way.

    PINSKY: Oh, interesting.

    C. HUGHES: You know, we can`t figure out what it is. You know, we had access to the e-mails and all the Google chats. And that`s the only sensible thing to us, because look at what he said. He said things like, you scammed me. You — what was the other word like scam. It was like you scammed my.

    S. HUGHES: You`re a fraud.

    C. HUGHES: You`re a fraud. You hurt me worse than the passing of my own father. You know, worse thing that ever happened to me. Here, what`s interesting, though, is what didn`t come out — and I can`t remember if we`ve already discussed this or not.

    But she says in this exchange, I`m going to call my attorney, something to the effect that I`m going to call my attorney on Monday. So, in the midst of this exchange, and we`re like, what? What is she going to call an attorney about? Maybe it was because she recorded Travis without his knowledge, and he was irate about it.

    S. HUGHES: Yes. We don`t know what she will bring to (ph) with the attorney. We done even know if it was Monday. She said she was going to call.

    C. HUGHES: Right, right, right. Just another —

    S. HUGHES: Yes.

    C. HUGHES: Yes.

    PINSKY: All right, guys. Let me get to a caller. One of our viewers, Jennifer in Texas, you wanted to ask a group of question. Go ahead, Jennifer.

    JENNIFER, TEXAS: Yes. Hello Chris and Sky. I wanted to ask if you or your family were concerned that if she somehow got out on a lesser charge after murdering your friend, that she may profit financially?

    CHRIS HUGHES: Yes. That`s — I mean, it`s a possibility. I mean, she`s got huge ambition. And you know, she is the Jodi Arias and she has a high idea of herself and the possibilities in her life. So, I don`t worry about it. I know that, you know, if that were to happen, God forbid, that she were to ever see the light of day, that absolutely, she`s going to —

    SKY HUGHES: Yes. She`ll milk this.

    CHRIS HUGHES: Every possible way.

    SKY HUGHES: Yes.

    CHRIS HUGHES: Yes.

    PINSKY: She has a manifesto we all need to read, don`t you know? I mean, Chris, aren`t you just waiting for that manifesto —

    (CROSSTALK)

    (LAUGHTER)

    CHRISTI PAUL, AUTHOR, “LOVE ISN`T SUPPOSED TO HURT”: Look at, I mean, look at Casey Anthony. I have to believe even if she is found not guilty – – and I personally can`t see that happening, but even if that happen, she`s not going to live a life. She`s not going to live a normal life. Look at Casey Anthony. She will still pay in some way for what she did.

    MARCIA CLARK, FORMER PROSECUTOR: But you know, Drew, I have a question for you. That`s interesting to me. The manifesto strikes me as something very grandiose. You know? And doesn`t that fit your diagnosis?

    PINSKY: Yes. I mean, to me, that`s one of the most telling aspects of this case is her point of view, which is everyone needs to listen to me. I have this superior intellect. He had it coming, don`t you know. I mean, the fact that she has the temerity to think that we want to hear from her in a manifesto. Come on, Professor Mark, let`s get all with things here and put her where she belongs, everybody.

    All right. Thank you all. Thank you Marcia. Thank you, Mark. Mark, careful with that fog. You never know (ph) driving home tonight how that might affect you.

    Next up, Chris and Sky will hear with the rest of us for the first time the tape on which, Chris, what was Travis says that Chris saved his life. We`ll hear Travis` own words. And we`ll have the behavior bureau weighing in.

    And later, my jury is deliberating. Have they reached a verdict? They`re there. I`ll be back after this.

    (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

    PINSKY: It is time for our behavior bureau. Back with this week`s co-host, HLN`s Christi Paul and Chris and Sky Hughes. They are Travis Alexander`s dear friends. They`re still with us. And joining us, Jenny Hutt, attorney and Sirius XM radio host, and Cheryl Arutt, forensic and clinical psychologist.

    Now, everybody, we have exclusive audio of an emotional Travis. This is travis` own words speaking about what Chris meant to him. Let`s take a listen.

    (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chris and I were in the same singles ward. We`re both LDS, from LDS church. Anyways, I really liked the guy, knew — like I said, knew he was doing something because he brought his posse with him. And I didn`t know much about it. And it was very broke. And, one Saturday night, I just couldn`t take it anymore to be honest with you.

    I just — I had $3,000 saved up, you know, that`s for kind of a rainy day. Well, a rainy day came. The $3,000 went and then another rainy day came. And there was nothing to get by on it. So, I`m on that futon you hear me talking about. And I`m praying to the Lord. And I said, will you please, please help me find something.

    And I`m not a spiritual guy. And I don`t have a lot of quote/unquote “spiritual experiences,” but there`s a voice in my head that day. And it said talk to Chris Hughes. And I didn`t know Chris very well, but I felt instant comfort. I`m just grateful. This man is my salvation, because I`m able to do a lot of things that I, otherwise, wouldn`t be able to do. And it`s not just because he was in the right place at the right time. I honestly think that we were prepared for each other.

    (END VIDEOTAPE)

    PINSKY: Oh, Chris, that is just so emotional. That`s the man that loved you and whom you loved.

    CHRIS HUGHES: Yes. It was an amazing to hear him tell that story. I heard that for the first time just about a week ago. I didn`t even know that that got captured. But, it`s really a beautiful story, because I was — my business was doing great, and then it was doing badly when I moved to California. And I was just about as bad a spot as he was.

    And I was praying for somebody like Travis to come into my life, and he was praying for somebody like me to come into his life. And, you know, together, we`re able to do something really, really incredible. But he was as much a blessing in my life as he indicated that I was in his.

    PINSKY: And Sky, I see you getting emotional, too. It`s got to be deeply moving to hear these words.

    SKY HUGHES: Yes. Yes. Travis was special. He really was.

    PINSKY: Jenny, you have a question for my guests?

    JENNY HUTT, SIRIUS XM RADIO HOST: Yes. More just a comment that I just feel so sad for you guys that this trial has painted or tried to paint just horrible pictures of Travis. And I just don`t get it. He clearly just was such a special, good, eloquent, heartfelt, compassionate, warm, open, honest guy. I just feel so sad for you two. And I send you just nothing but healing thoughts and only good wishes.

    SKY HUGHES: Thank you. Thank you very much.

    PINSKY: Cheryl, you and I have been talking about Travis and old Jodi for quite some time here. Does hearing those words shed any new light for you on the Travis that was being eviscerated in court?

    CHERYL ARUTT, PSY.D., @DRCHERYLARUTT: Dr. Drew, it does. I`ve seen glimmers of this in other places, too. But Sky and Chris, clearly, this man loved you, and you loved him. And you had a really special connection. And, I`m so sorry for your loss. And I just — I`m so struck by the gratitude that comes across in this, that he felt such a deep profound sense of gratitude for your friendship and for opportunity and was a guy who wanted to make his life better.

    And people who are capable of feeling that kind of gratitude, that speaks to their character and who they are as a person. And that really comes across here.

    CHRIS HUGHES: That`s right. And it feels so good. I was just going to say that if feels so good to know that so many people, millions of people all around the world get Travis. They get him. They know the real Travis regardless of the smoke screen and the evil that`s been coming from Jodi`s camp.

    PINSKY: Right. And Christi, we`ve had to fight hard through that smoke screen to try to figure out what`s what here. But I think — I hope in the courtroom, Christi, that they see it as we see it. It`s just become increasingly clear to me as the case has unfolded. Do you think the jury`s going to see it the same way, Christi?

    PAUL: You know, I don`t now, because think about it. We`ve been talking about this for four months, but the jury, if they`re following court orders, has not started talking about it until Friday. And then, they stop talking about it and had 48 hours to get it out of their minds again. So, they`re just starting to process that we`ve been talking about.

    But Sky and Chris, I wanted to ask you, and I know this is a tough question, but I`ve heard you talk so much about how compassionate he was and how loyal you thought he was to Jodi. You know, you`re trying to tell him what kind of person she is.

    PINSKY: Part of his faults was one of the flaws that she capitalized on.

    PAUL: Yes. Exactly. So, I`m wondering, do you think, where he is now, do you think that he would want her to be put to death?

    PINSKY: Ooh, great question.

    SKY HUGHES: Oh, gosh.

    CHRIS HUGHES: Ooh.

    PAUL: I mean, we — I know that you do. I know how you all feel, but you talk about him having such compassion for her. How do you think he feels about what should happen to her?

    PINSKY: A great question. What do you guys say?

    SKY HUGHES: Travis felt strongly about justice, you know? And he felt that when we do something wrong, we need to be punished and we need to pay the penalty for that. And so, I think, yes. I think he would want her to pay for what she`s done, you know, according to the law. I really do.

    PINSKY: Chris, you agree?

    CHRIS HUGHES: It`s — yes. It`s a tough question. You know, I don`t know what it`s like over there. So, I don`t know. You know, if your heart and mind is changed. I don`t know exactly how that works. But, yes, I don`t know. Tough question. Great question.

    PINSKY: It`s a great question. I think something for us all to contemplate. We`re going to go to a quick break here. And anybody just come up with any clarity on it, let`s please share it after the break.

    Next up, Jodi`s on the record saying no jury will convict me. I wonder what Chris and Sky have to say about that.

    But first, let us get a preview of “HLN After Dark” with Vinnie Politan and Ryan Smith. They are standing by in Atlanta. Can`t wait to see you guys` show tonight. What have you got for us?

    VINNIE POLITAN, HLN ANCHOR: All right. Ryan, seven and a half hours, no verdict. What is going on here?

    RYAN SMITH, HLN ANCHOR: I know. We thought. You never know what a jury`s going to think of.

    POLITAN: We`re going to talk about reasonable doubt tonight.

    SMITH: That`s right.

    POLITAN: Is it in the air? Is it in phoenix? Where is it?

    SMITH: Is it right here in Atlanta with our live studio jury. We`ve got two juries tonight.

    POLITAN: Yes. Are they going to find reasonable doubt tonight? I think we`ve got some reasonable doubters here.

    (CROSSTALK)

    POLITAN: How about these folks?

    SMITH: Yes.

    POLITAN: In Arizona? Jane Velez-Mitchell with them and we`ll be asking them as well. It`s all coming up “HLN After Dark,” top of the hour.

    (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

    JODI ARIAS, ACCUSED OF KILLING HER EX-BOYFRIEND: No jury is going to convict me.

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why not?

    ARIAS: Because I`m innocent, and you can mark my words on that one. No jury will convict me.

    (END VIDEO CLIP)

    PINSKY: Back with the behavior bureau and my co-host this week, HLN`s Christi Paul. Still with us, Chris and Sky Hughes were Travis Alexander`s great close friends. We`ve also got Cheryl Arutt and Jenny Hutt.

    Now, before the break, I asked people to think about Christi`s great question which was, what would Travis want — what would Travis hope the jury found — would he want her killed, is the question. And Sky, you answered that, and you wanted to add something to it. Go ahead.

    SKY HUGHES: Yes. The answer I gave before the break, that was the Travis, you know, that we knew when he was here. So, I don`t know what he would want now. I`m sure he`s different that he was — when he was here. So — you know, but that was what Travis want if he was — when he was here.

    PINSKY: And Chris, you referenced the other side, whether people would have more forgiveness or something. Is that what you`re talking about?

    CHRIS HUGHES: Yes. Yes. I mean, who knows how things change when you get over there. It`s a great question.

    PINSKY: Jenny, you have a question or comment as well.

    HUTT: Yes. Well, a couple of things. I just — watching this tape of Travis before, hearing his audio, I was just — it struck me that he must have felt so conflicted because he was so compassionate with the stuff that you guys were warning him about Jodi and then listening to her bring him in and being compassionate towards her.

    My gosh! That poor guy is like just couldn`t have been worse. And then I do — and then I do have a question. Have you guys noticed since this high profile case, strange people you`re your pass coming out of the wood work trying to sort of watch and lurk?

    CHRIS HUGHES: Not really. I mean, yes. I know there`s some creepy people out there creeping around and doing what creeps do, but I mean, it`s — yes, nothing too weird. Not like that.

    SKY HUGHES: Yes. If anything, we`ve been able to see the good in people like —

    (CROSSTALK)

    SKY HUGHES: — supported the Alexanders and it`s just been amazing.

    CHRIS HUGHES: We have been so inspired by how beautiful people have been, in general.

    PINSKY: I`d like to try to get some calls. We got Diana in Oregon. Diana, go ahead.

    DIANA, OREGON: Hi, Dr. Drew. Thank you for taking my call.

    PINSKY: You bet.

    DIANA: Sky, Chris, sorry for your loss.

    SKY HUGHES: Thank you.

    DIANA: I would like to know what you think, and your panel thinks about this. I think when Travis sent his last e-mail to Jodi and called her a sociopath and said you are the worst thing that ever happened to me, I believe that she was in a rage, and she went down there premeditated to kill him and that she manipulated him into having sex, because she wanted to make sure for her own satisfaction that she would be the last woman to ever make love to him before she killed him.

    PINSKY: As creepy as that sounds, my dear, Sky is shaking her head with a vigorous yes. I see Jenny shaking yes. I see Cheryl shaking yes. Something of that order of using sex as power and control in some sort of weird satisfaction in all of this.

    PAUL: Marking territory.

    PINSKY: Ooh.

    SKY HUGHES: Dr. Drew — oh, sorry.

    PINSKY: Yes, go ahead.

    SKY HUGHES: Dr. Drew, I want to ask you a question that kind of goes along with that. You know, with the borderline personality disorder, how does — you know, what kind of reaction would that cause in Jodi for Travis to say, you know, you`re the worst thing that ever happened to me. You`re not who you say you are. You`re a fraud, like what would that — what kind of reaction would that get?

    CHRIS HUGHES: So, her gig was up.

    (CROSSTALK)

    SKY HUGHES: Like her whole world revolved around him.

    PINSKY: Yes. It`s hard to know what she was — she was probably — again, her point of view begged an alternative. She just would — could screen all that out probably. She`s literally could sit there with stars in her eyes still saying, you know what, I`ll go back up and there and have sex and we`ll be fine. We`ll be fine. Everything`s going to be great.

    It really — and think about fatal attraction or think about the way that woman thought in that movie. If you`ve never seen it, it was a good description, a good sort of rendition of exactly Jodi Arias.

    Thank you, guys. Chris and Sky, thank you so much. We really do appreciate you joining us. My panel, thank you as well. Christi, you`re staying with me. I`ve got a jury next who reached a verdict themselves and they saw the real jurors today. They`re going to tell us about that. Be right back.

    (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

    PINSKY: Time for Dr. Drew`s jurors. Back with HLN`s Christi Paul. And joining us from just outside the courthouse, Katie Wick and Stacey Fairrington. Now, Katie, you saw the jurors leave today. How are they acting? What did you observe?

    KATIE WICK, DR. DREW “JUROR”: I was standing probably 15 feet from the elevators. They were chatty. They — I didn`t see any dissension among the ranks, Dr. Drew. They all got into the same elevator. I think, perhaps, that they might have a verdict and maybe they`re going to sleep on it and wait till tomorrow.

    PINSKY: Oh, interesting. Christi, you have a question for my jurors?

    PAUL: Well, that`s what I was wondering. I heard Beth Karas earlier say, you know, a lot of times, maybe they will make a decision. They`ll go home and sleep on it, and they`ll come back. I`m wondering if you, girls, have any gauge, any sense of when you think they`re going to be– they`re going to come forward with a decision. I`m thinking tomorrow maybe.

    STACEY FAIRRINGTON, DR. DREW “JUROR”: I think tomorrow as well. And I agree with Katie. When they came out, they did. They looked like they were kind of a cohesive group. And I think they do probably have a verdict. And I think some might want to sleep on it, some might want to pray on it, some might want to, you know, just really think it out before they bring this verdict tomorrow.

    That`s my assumption. And I hope I`m right. I think the family and the friends and all that really need kind of a closure to this and I think we`re going to get that verdict tomorrow.

    PINSKY: And I understand, it was like a ghost town inside the courthouse today, because everyone was out in the plaza. What were they doing out in the plaza?

    WICK: Oh — my gosh, Dr. Drew. So, I got here about 9:30 and I was freaking out. I was a little late. I was thinking there were going to be tons of people up there. There were four. It was myself, my friend Angie, Stacy and Stacy`s cousin, Cody. That was it. Everybody else was down with the media.

    PINSKY: Trying to get on TV?

    WICK: I was shocked. Yes.

    FAIRRINGTON: Yes.

    PINSKY: Interesting.

    WICK: Yes.

    (LAUGHTER)

    PINSKY: And Stacey, you have some pictures, is that right? Stacey, you have some pictures —

    WICK: What`s that?

    PINSKY: Were those Stacey pictures we just saw? Is that right? OK. We just saw your pictures. OK, great.

    Well, ladies, keep an eye out there. We`ll see if you`re right about tomorrow. We`re going to have to take a quick break. And I hope you`re right. For the family`s sake, let`s get this thing closed. And Chris and Sky were saying they`re anxious because they want it behind them. And we`ll have the last call after this.

    (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

    PINSKY: Quickly, Christi, I understand you have a theory about why tomorrow we may have a verdict.

    PAUL: Well, the only reason I think it might happen tomorrow is because what`s so rare about this case is that the jurors have gotten to ask questions already of so many of these witnesses. So, in a lot of cases, juries go back and they have to go through all this information they`re thinking about without answers.

    PINSKY: They`ve already done it.

    PAUL: This jury has already gotten some of them.

    PINSKY: Got to go. Thank you. Tomorrow, an exclusive with Alexander`s first true love, and “HLN After Dark” starts right now.

    END

    • truejustice
      05/07/2013 at 1:29 pm

      Thank you !

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 1:35 pm

      Thank you Nancy. Nienna and I are so appreciative!!!!!! 😀 Now we don’t have to grovel, thankfully, but we would have.

      • Nienna
        05/07/2013 at 1:40 pm

        Indeed!!

    • nyccowgirl
      05/07/2013 at 2:23 pm

      The question about what TA would think about JA getting DP was just so heartwrenching to see how the Hughes answered. The touching part was how they really tried to convey the struggle he would have had considering how much he cared for her at some point and as a reflection of the guy that he is/was. The clarification by Chris after the commercial break too was also very touching for the spiritual folks like me who think you just are happy and let go of all the negativity.

      • Lisa M
        05/07/2013 at 8:42 pm

        I just can’t believe he even asked then that question. How would they know something like that? But they answered it thoughtfully and graciously.

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 2:28 pm

      Well that just made me sob!!!!!!!!

      If JA doesn’t get 1st degree, then I’m gonna go to Kentucky, join up with Wendy and follow her hubby as he shoots her himself. These people can’t go on much longer with this horrific wait. The Alexanders, Travis and all his friends and colleagues need a just verdict sooner rather than later!!!!

  58. Kathy A.
    05/07/2013 at 1:27 pm

    Donchais, add my voice to the others who want to thank you so much for this site. I can read your recaps when I don’t feel like listening to testimony and your refusal to allow the conversations to degenerate into sniping matches is what encouraged me to start posting after lurking for quite awhile. I was a little skittish, because during the Casey Anthony trial, I lurked around several blogs and people were attacking each other at a crazy level. This is an excellent forum for exchanging ideas, theories, knowledge, and humor. Again, thank you.

  59. NancyB
    05/07/2013 at 1:28 pm

    So sorry – I didn’t realize how long the transcript was or I would have just posted the link 🙂

    • 05/07/2013 at 2:17 pm

      sending the dr bill to you for RSI in my scrolling finger!! 😛

      • kristin
        05/07/2013 at 2:40 pm

        I can no longer straighten my left ring finger lol

      • 05/07/2013 at 2:45 pm

        lmao!!!!

  60. NancyB
  61. HJ Madison
    05/07/2013 at 1:35 pm

    MMD :
    I think that Robert is at the theatre and I can’t seem to rouse Syn. I’ve already tried!!!

    MMD: See #450 yesterday. ????? There was not a lot of substance to talk about??? We were all just frustrated waiting for a decision …. ???

  62. 05/07/2013 at 1:38 pm

    uh oh, BREAKING NEWS on HLN! Jury is in deliberations…

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 1:46 pm

      Hi Bubble! Did you get to read the letter, in Jodi’s own hand, about why she needed her beloved Nurmi to stay on as her terrific (and clearly under-worked) Public Defender?

      • nyccowgirl
        05/07/2013 at 2:26 pm

        I think it’s because he was a man. The others that she mentioned were women and she knows she has no power over women. Whether she succeeded or not, I think she just was holding onto the lifeline and egotistical belief that she could control Nurmi, more so than any belief that she thought he was the best defender for her. Her other letter (aka mother’s letter) even noted how she had personality (aka communications) issues with the female lawyer.

      • HJ Madison
        05/07/2013 at 2:38 pm

        NYCCowGirl: Agree, agree! Plus, she whined about the time element and I kept thinking how she needs time to really spin her web! And mom’s letter … just an interesting peek into their warped thinking.

  63. Nienna
    05/07/2013 at 1:43 pm

    Wild About Trial@WildAboutTrial
    Valerie just went into the juror room again. Val is a busy woman today

  64. Nienna
    05/07/2013 at 1:46 pm

    Interesting read… If you can zoom it.

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 1:48 pm

      Wish someone could slip this under the Jury Room door!

      • Nienna
        05/07/2013 at 1:54 pm

        That’s exactly what the tweet read that posted it!!! 🙂

  65. Family of Law
    05/07/2013 at 1:52 pm

    Wow! There is a HUGE police presence around the courthouse! Here’s hoping everyone behaves!

    • 05/07/2013 at 2:38 pm

      COLORS to be posted for verdict watch: GREEN – we have one, BLUE- we’re getting close, YELLOW – Still thinking, ORANGE – There’s a holdout, RED – we’re hung.
      Just a thought…

  66. Family of Law
    05/07/2013 at 1:59 pm

    MMD :
    Don’t worry – we’ll have your back if he tries to stage an intervention. He has nooooooooooooo idea of what he would be up against!!!! At least FOL’s husband is using humour to deal with this

    Oh his humor has now taken the form of theater! He’s imitating me now, by pacing around the house and saying, “Oh this wait is so AWFUL! Where ‘O where is Juan when you really need him?” (I borrowed your stance… I must have done it wrong, because all he did was laugh at me 😦 )

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 2:01 pm

      lol

    • 05/07/2013 at 2:11 pm

      nah you must have done it right! Cos all we do is laugh at MMD when she does it too!

      • Family of Law
        05/07/2013 at 2:19 pm

        LOL!!!

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 2:31 pm

        Now be nice Syn 😉

      • 05/07/2013 at 2:45 pm

        shizens!! didn’t know you were here! 😛

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 2:32 pm

      ROFL

  67. 05/07/2013 at 2:02 pm

    Maybe the jurors asked to review a piece of evidence or hear some testimony again. Maybe that’s why they left a little early yesterday. They have to submit requests to judge in writing and wait for reply. Judge Stephens has hearings beginning at9am.. That’s one reason the trial started late some days. Maybe they had to wait for her to get them what they
    requested ? Maybe she held a scheduling hearing for JA ‘s penalty phase and that’s why attorneys were in court this morning? That’s a lot of maybes but my mind keeps churning while we wait.

  68. Nienna
    05/07/2013 at 2:05 pm

    ROFL!!!

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 2:08 pm

      HAHAHA! I think Jodi is bring them fleas!!

    • Wendy
      05/07/2013 at 2:09 pm

      ROFL!!

    • Family of Law
      05/07/2013 at 2:18 pm

      Nienna! Thanks for that MUCH needed laugh!!!

      • Nienna
        05/07/2013 at 2:19 pm

        Anytime!!

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 2:33 pm

      ROFL toooooooooooo funny 😆

  69. Katie
    05/07/2013 at 2:06 pm

    My nerves are absolutely shot. My son poured his entire bowl of yogurt over his head and I did t notice until my dogs started licking the floor around him….. Bath time

    I’m terrified of manslaughter conviction. How could they give that? That means they didn’t believe the self defense, so therefor, one can conclude, she lied the WHOLE time she was on the stand. So how could they possibly come back with manslaughter…..

    This has to be between first and second degree right???? What else could they be talking about? Was there anything at anytime that anyone noticed that was fishy on the prosecution side??

    Ugh……

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 2:42 pm

      Welcome to the world of hurry up and wait. 😉 I may have to force myself to have another nap today!! I’d actually take listening to Wurmi than this, the unknown 😦

    • kristin
      05/07/2013 at 2:45 pm

      I wonder if WOBO is all smiles thinking with the deliberations into a third day that truly no jury will ever convict her. I hope it hits her like a ton of bricks when a 1st degree guilty verdict is read. I like that she is gaining hope. My heart will sing upon watching her high hopes crushed.

    • 05/07/2013 at 2:46 pm

      CANNOT be anything other than MURDER 1.. anything less means Jodi wins AGAIN!!! And gets to wag her little ugly bent fingers in our faces & laugh!

    • Kathy A.
      05/07/2013 at 2:57 pm

      I’m on pins and needles also, but even though this is technically the third day of testimony, if you think about it, they only had about an hour or maybe a little more on Friday. They had to choose a foreman and work out a schedule, and possibly take an initial vote. I don’t think true deliberations began until yesterday, and if you think about it, they have not been able to discuss this case for four months and I’m sure all 12 were just clamoring to get their thoughts and questions and opinions out there and the discussions have been all over the place. So it’s more like a day and a half of deliberation, even though I’m grumbling to myself that they should have been unanimous for 1st Degree Murder at the first vote. 🙂

  70. 05/07/2013 at 2:06 pm

    hey all.. just got back.. any movement at the station???

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 2:07 pm

      They’re still deliberating!

    • Wendy
      05/07/2013 at 2:08 pm

      Hi Syn!

      • 05/07/2013 at 2:08 pm

        hurro 🙂

    • Family of Law
      05/07/2013 at 2:12 pm

      Phew!!!! There you are! There is a bunch of activity- tweets going out saying that JW, MS and Juan have all been seen coming and going at the courthouse… JW and MS left the courthouse a few minutes ago… I’m all PINS and (hopefully) NEEDLES!

      • Nienna
        05/07/2013 at 2:13 pm

        Also… Hearing JA is in the holding cell there. Don’t know if that’s norm or not.

      • 05/07/2013 at 2:18 pm

        omg… I feel sick! I almost would rather nothing was happening I don’t want a verdict if it in her favour!!!

  71. Wendy
    05/07/2013 at 2:07 pm

    I really thought we would have something by now.

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 2:11 pm

      Just think “Scott Peterson 7 days …. ” and there was much less evidence there, IMO

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 2:43 pm

        That’s right and he got the DP!!!!!!!!! (altho I don’t remember the wait being that long but it was)

  72. truejustice
    05/07/2013 at 2:09 pm

    Jury has been deliberating 8 1/2 hrs now . Seems SO MUCH longer with the weekend … and my great anticipation .

  73. 05/07/2013 at 2:13 pm
    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 2:15 pm

      Negative! Not this way!!

      • 05/07/2013 at 2:23 pm

        Add your own snark. I am, of course, being facetious.

      • Nienna
        05/07/2013 at 2:26 pm

        I know you are. 🙂

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 2:44 pm

      only if hell has frozen over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😦

  74. 05/07/2013 at 2:25 pm

    Let’s all remain calm folks. the jury will not let down…

    • 05/07/2013 at 2:43 pm

      REMAIN CALM???? How the hell do we do that? Your post came with no instructions??!!! LOL

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 2:48 pm

        good one yes2wine 😆

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 2:45 pm

      Helloooooooooooooooooooooooo and bubble do ya have any exact instructions as to exactly HOW TO STAY CALM. If ya do, please please share 😀

      • 05/07/2013 at 2:51 pm

        U 2… I see we are thinking alike! LOL

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 2:55 pm

        what can I say – great minds 😀 It’s soooooooo obvious that bubble is male!!! Need I say more (altho we do luv ya bubble)

  75. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 2:47 pm

    Janet – are you lurking around?????????????? You need to be here and lose your freaking mind with the rest of us 😯

  76. 05/07/2013 at 2:48 pm

    Wild About Trial
    Free pizza out side the court house. Police have out up police tape around the entrance. I guess security is a bit tighter. #JodiArias

  77. 05/07/2013 at 2:49 pm

    Some of you seem so confident that this jury is getting it right…. I would like a seat on your boat cuz mine seems to be sinking! Oh wait that’s my stomach!

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 2:56 pm

      <<>>

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 2:57 pm

      Wow. Was trying to say – Nienna throws out a life raft!

  78. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 2:49 pm

    Well they’ll be going to lunch in another 12 minutes or so. Hopefully they’ll announce that they have a verdict when they get back………………………………. she says hopefully so she won’t lose her mind forever………………………………….

  79. 05/07/2013 at 2:52 pm

    Nienna :
    Also… Hearing JA is in the holding cell there. Don’t know if that’s norm or not.

    NO I dont think that is the norm. Not from what Jim said when I asked him about where she would be a few days ago.. he was fairly adamant she would be at the jail under usual circumstances.

    • 05/07/2013 at 2:54 pm

      I think its normal… remember in other trials that has been the case

      • 05/07/2013 at 2:56 pm

        well jim is ex law enforcement so I listen to him. He was pretty strenuous about it. So guess we just don’t know then

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 2:55 pm

      Good. That’s what I thought! Which leads be back to… they did have a decision made last night and then someone wanted to go over something again today before the verdict is given.

    • Schaeffer
      05/07/2013 at 3:00 pm

      It is normal for her to be there in a holding cell. If the jury has a question, it is possible they will need to reassemble in the courtroom to answer/clarify/discuss. The Judge, prosecution, defense, mitigation specialist and WOBO would all be required to be in attendance.

      • 05/07/2013 at 3:01 pm

        ok… Jim said differently. So wish he was here to explain his views. Im in no position cos i have no clue relying on others for guidance on it

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 3:09 pm

        Plus it is probably cheaper to keep her in a holding cell at the jail all day rather than provide security for numerous trips during the day to answer questions. Remember she is in a holding cell downstairs with the rest of the people scheduled for court, not the normal holding cell on the 5th floor where she had been during court. Her special treatment has now ended.

      • 05/07/2013 at 4:30 pm

        The one happy thought on this is… she is in a holding cell with NO crayons!! NO stubby pencils!! NOTHING but her morbid thoughts!

  80. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 2:52 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Many people lingering around doing the slow pacing in circle action. Makes me nervous. Everyone please sit down thank you. #JodiArias

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    Knooter makes for a great laptop table as well as seat. There is no way to go through the rest of life without knoot. ❤ knoot.

    Easy for him to say – he's right there plus sitting down!!!! He can't pace!!!!!!!

  81. Beans
    05/07/2013 at 3:03 pm

    Been lurking for a while but I gotta say something. This is in response to some posts yesterday about a specific juror’s politics and religion and Syntara’s reply. I’m a 61 yr. old atheist, lefty. Canucklehead and I can assure you, she who isn’t to be named, wouldn’t want me on the jury either. That said, I appreciate this forum, all the posters and especially Donchais’ work on our behalf.

    • 05/07/2013 at 3:17 pm

      Right there with ya Beans!!! 😀 ok … not quite the atheist.. more gnostic in the ancient form but that’s a minor adjustment…. MMD will love another “canucklehead” joining us!

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 3:44 pm

      Goody another Canuck and I assume lefty as in political persuasion. Not an atheist though. We used to have quite a few Canucks on here from NFLD to BC but most have drifted away or have not been here as often. Welcome aboard 🙂

      • Beans
        05/07/2013 at 4:06 pm

        Thanks. Yes to the political persuasion. Located in a mid-sized city southwest of T.O. I’ve enjoyed your work.

      • Beans
        05/07/2013 at 4:12 pm

        I should add I’m not knocking anyone’s beliefs or politics, just sayin’ one doesn’t need to be a conservative christian to recognize BS when we see it.

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 4:37 pm

        TY – used to live in Oakville

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 4:42 pm

        Totally agree with your comment about Christian conservative since I’m a die-hard liberal. All ya need is common sense 😉 I’ve found in some circumstances that is a quality that is very hard to find 😦

      • Crystal Harris
        05/07/2013 at 11:05 pm

        I was the one who posted that info and commentary. The information was the actual information I received about the juror from someone who knows him. And statistically speaking, Republicans have a much harsher view of crime and criminals than liberals do. Again, I’m speaking statistically for the population, not about individuals. You have to remember that there are many of us drawn to this case because of our personal experiences with psychopaths, sociopaths, criminals and domestic violence. That makes us predisposed to judge this case in a way that others may not. In fact, I’d bet there’s no way any of us with these experiences would even make it on the jury in a case like this since it hits too close to home for us.
        So my point is, all other things being equal, I was just happy with the profile I was give by my friend because that is a profile that is typically hard on crime. If you disagree, ask a group of defense attorneys whether they’d prefer to have more conservatives or more liberals on their jury, and they will tell you if they knew nothing else, they’d want the liberals.
        Not trying to offend anyone or their politics…just put a comment with what I had learned and thought you guys might want to know about one of the jurors.

  82. Kathy A.
    05/07/2013 at 3:04 pm

    Stupid caller on HLN saying she has been following this case from day one and had her mind made up that JA was guilty of premeditated murder, until Nurmi gave his closing and asked why she didn’t kill him when his back was turned, or while he was asleep, and that changed her mind. Uh…sure. Not like she’s a crazy biatch or anything who wanted to watch him die and wanted him to know it was at her hands, that she held all the cards. And even if she hadn’t planned it prior to arriving at his house (yeah, right) and “something happened” in the bathroom, it became premeditated when she didn’t stop. When she continued stabbing him, then took the action to slit his throat, then shot him. Or even if you believe she shot him first, she continued on. I don’t know how the jury can see it any other way.

    • 05/07/2013 at 3:09 pm

      I thought that could be a stumbling block for some… because if you don’t understand her pychopathology.. which is a labyrinth of twisted agendas,sadly it was a pretty compelling argument if you didn’t remember the 9 wounds on his back hit bone and would no have been fatal.

      One stab wound to his back.. he would hve swung around and over powered her. So even without understanding her twisted mind.. so long as someone has a brain on that jury, it’s still easily explained away.

      • Kathy A.
        05/07/2013 at 3:22 pm

        I just hope they don’t suspend their common sense, thinking about how a person would most likely act in those circumstances if it had truly been either self-defense or “heat of passion.” But I thought the same thing about the Casey Anthony case – people don’t take accidental deaths and try to make them look like murders; someone whose child has accidentally drowned doesn’t act like nothing happened, but that jury was hung up on the fact that they didn’t know exactly how Caylee died. In this one, we know JA killed Travis; we know how. I’m trying to keep the faith.

      • 05/07/2013 at 3:24 pm

        thee is so much against the argument Nurmi made if you stop and think about it… she was lulling him into a false sense of security what better way than not to attack him when his back is to her. It’s obvious to anyone she likes playing games with people just look at her in those freaky 48 hours and inside edition docos

      • Kathy A.
        05/07/2013 at 4:56 pm

        The stab wounds in the back and the back of the head are what I think makes it an even stronger death penalty case. I keep thinking of the way Juan lined out Travis trying to get away from her, making it to the sink where he’s bleeding, and being able to see her in the mirror as she’s stabbing him in the head and stabbing him in the back. How much that must have hurt! I picture him there, knowing he’s going to die, Being a spiritual man, no doubt but praying, but also thinking “Why? Why?” and that makes me cry. If that, along with everything else she did, doesn’t scream premeditation and depraved cruelty, then I don’t know what it takes for a jury to be convinced.

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 3:15 pm

      This can be simply agrued that she waited until the roommates were not home. If she’d have shot him while they were home chances are she definitely would have been caught.

      • 05/07/2013 at 3:22 pm

        nah that can’t be argued.. cos that shot with his back to her is only minutes from the attack

      • Nienna
        05/07/2013 at 3:26 pm

        What does that have to do with the roommates being home when she arrived in the am and throughout the day?

      • Nienna
        05/07/2013 at 3:27 pm

        Oops.. nevermind! But it can be said for not shooting him immediately upon arrival or while he was sleeping.

      • kristin
        05/07/2013 at 6:18 pm

        I see exactly what you’re saying. That the entire attack was delayed because roommate home!

      • 05/08/2013 at 12:42 am

        I wondered why Juan didn’t say this during rebuttal. It was said there were roommates home most of the time when she got there and into the morning. Then, they left and someone came home with their gf from 3:00-4:00ish. She knew someone would be back home at 6:30 so she was limited with time as someone would have heard the gun or the sound of them fighting and probably yelling during the struggle, then her whirlwind clean up attempt. Car was parked elsewhere so no one knew she was there. She had to be careful and as everyone says,she wanted him to know she was the one doing it and she had the control.

  83. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 3:05 pm

    OT

    I’m truly pleased that these 3 girls have been found who were kidnapped 10 years ago when they were teens by a school bus driver but let them be with their family and connect!!!! I’m beyond thrilled that their family’s got a happy ending, which is so rare, but HLN please STFU about it. You gave up your news creds a long time ago. Talk about it on CNN please and thank you.

    I want a verdict! Pretty please 🙂

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 3:18 pm

      It’s nice to see good things in the news! Happy for them and their loved ones!!

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 3:32 pm

        I love hearing these stories because they’re so rare and I’m genuinely happy for them. I’m just on my l a s t f r a y e d n e r v e…………………………………………… 😯

  84. truejustice
    05/07/2013 at 3:06 pm

    ABC15 Arizona ‏@abc15 3m
    NOW: RT @AMYABC15: #jodiarias juror 16 just left doesn’t look pleased. http://bit.ly/UqXAHa #abc15

  85. Schaeffer
    05/07/2013 at 3:10 pm

    To help fill the void when this nightmare is over . . .There is an excellent book I would like to recommend.

    “Someone Cry for the Children: The Unsolved Girl Scout Murders” by brothers Michael and Richard Wilkerson. It is about the rape and murder of three girl scouts, ages 8-10, while they were camping in a girl scout campground in Oklahoma. (The book is out of print, and when it is for sale, it is for hundreds of dollars. However, it is widely available at your library, or through inter-library loan; just don’t all request it at once.) Because of evidence at the scene, the police knew immediately the crimes had been committed by an escaped convicted rapist, Gene Leroy Hart. Hart was a Cherokee, and Michael and Richard Wilkerson, the lead detectives, were also Native American. The book is not about the murders per se, but about the very difficult the search for Hart, who it was believed was using black (bad) medicine given to him by a Medicine Man. The Native American community was also helping Hart elude capture, not because they thought he was innocent, but because he would bring shame on the tribe if he were caught and convicted of this horrific crime. The Wilkersons felt strongly that they should stick to regular police tactics, and not rely on their Medicine Man to help. But as nearly a year passed and they became more and more convinced of Hart’s use of black medicine, including being able to transform himself into a cat or a bird, and so many other strange occurrences that defied explanation, they finally went to their own Medicine Man and said “We have to have help.” Their medicine man gave them white (good) medicine, and they were successful in capturing Hart very soon after. Even after he was captured, Hart continued to use black medicine, including have his Medicine Man come to the courthouse and blow smoke into the four corners of the building. The Medicine Man was literally blowing smoke to confuse the jury. (Four is extremely significant in Native American traditions.)

    The book had a very big impact on me, primarily because I gained such a deep understanding of what medicine means to Native Americans. The main principle I took away was it works because they BELIEVE it will work, much like many believe in the power of prayer. It may sound silly on a blog to say someone was shape shifting into wild animals, but it made perfect sense to me as I read the book, and even now 35 years later I believe it. It was a fascinating glimpse into the traditions and beliefs of another culture.

    There is an incredibly bad documentary of the same name available on youtube, but I strongly urge you not to watch it. Even though the Wilkersons were involved in it, it turned out so badly it is laughable, and it has none of the depth of the book. It is quite without merit.

    IF YOU ARE GOING TO READ THE BOOK AND/OR DO NOT WANT TO KNOW THE OUTCOME — READ NO FURTHER
    ************************************************
    In a stunning verdict, Hart was acquitted, but he was returned to prison because he had 305 years of his 308 year sentence for rape and kidnapping to serve, plus time added for his prison escape. Hart was a gifted athlete, excelling in track and field as well as football. Every day he lifted weights and ran track. On the night of June 4, 1979, almost 2 years to the day since the murders, he dropped dead of a heart attack on the track at the prison. He had no history of heart disease. I am thoroughly convinced he received the justice he deserved.

    • NancyB
      05/07/2013 at 3:34 pm

      Thanks a lot for posting this Schaeffer! This interests me and your re cap is excellent. I ordered it from inter library loan.

    • 05/07/2013 at 3:35 pm

      wow that sounds like an absolutely fascinating book. Pity it is out of print.

  86. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 3:14 pm

    OK here is the jury layout.

    • truejustice
      05/07/2013 at 3:18 pm

      UG .. I think the media is as antsy as we are for something tangible .

      Chris Williams ‏@chriswnews 2m
      Woman who left resembled but was NOT #JodiArias juror 16. Court staff

      • Kathy A.
        05/07/2013 at 3:25 pm

        Thanks! I wish the media wouldn’t do this.

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 3:21 pm

      Thanks MMD!

    • Family of Law
      05/07/2013 at 3:48 pm

      I particularly like Philip Seymore Hoffman as “Neil”!

  87. 05/07/2013 at 3:15 pm

    Yeah, I’m a guy, that’s why I’m drinking Budweiser. What do we got? 5 hours left for today. Still time. If not today, then maybe tommorrow. What more can we do? Lack of control can be maddening, but here we are…Just call me Captain Obvious. In the meantime I hoist my beer to all the people on this site, and the Juanderful lady that makes it possible. Truly class acts, all. Glug. And I’ll pour some for Travis, too; an angel taken away from the world by a demon. Salud…

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 3:23 pm

      Cheers! And btw I drink Budweiser!

    • 05/07/2013 at 3:42 pm

      I highly recommend you try Bud Select if you haven’t already.

  88. NancyB
    05/07/2013 at 3:16 pm

    I just pray that if they are not for murder in the 1st that they hold out for a mistrial. It would be such a complete travesty of justice for ANY other verdict. Also, about JA & holding cell, I heard last night that she’s in the holding cell during all the time that the jurors are deliberating but the holding cell is another part of the building. She’s allowed to see her atty’s but no other visitors. She is not allowed magazines or books. I wonder if they’ve allowed her paper & pencil to draw?

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 3:46 pm

      She will literally go out of her mind if she’s not allowed to have her golf pencil and paper although she could always draw on herself 😉

  89. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 3:24 pm

    I think that they should bring back hanging which went out of style after Eva Duggan was accidentally decapitated instead of lethal injection. Oops JA, there goes your so called beauty, accidentally, rolling into the ditch. I’d watch!!!!

    • Kathy A.
      05/07/2013 at 3:37 pm

      Yeah, for the way she killed Travis, dying by lethal injection – basically just going to sleep, unless there are problems with the execution, at which time it can be drawn out and agonizing – seems unfair. I know JA’s family is hurting for her and reading these things is harsh for them, but they have been so callous and unfeeling toward the Alexanders’ pain, oh well, tough.

    • Moon
      05/07/2013 at 4:03 pm

      lolol me tooooo!!

  90. 05/07/2013 at 3:25 pm

    Nienna :
    Also… Hearing JA is in the holding cell there. Don’t know if that’s norm or not.

    When they show the outside of the courthouse in AZ it looks like the jail, ( not the county jail) may be right behind it. / across the street. It looks similar to the courthouse / jail set up here in South ;florida. Jthre seems to be a darker color building behind the court with narrow windows. Tat MIT be the jail. They could hold her there while waiting for verdict and easily transport her to courtroom. Hre there’s a secued walkway for prisoners and sheriffs.

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 3:30 pm

      Yeah. My hometown is similiar. The jail is across the street from the courthouse while a tunnel for the inmates to be transferred in.

    • 05/07/2013 at 3:30 pm

      Ugh…iPad typos. Yates MIT = that might… There’s a few more, but understanda. 😦

      • Nienna
        05/07/2013 at 3:33 pm

        That’s ok, I did it to! Supposed to be with a tunnel not while 🙂

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 3:34 pm

        I think all of us are pretty fluent in typoese 🙂

    • truejustice
      05/07/2013 at 3:53 pm

      The Old Madison street – that closed is right across a sidewalk. Just a few block down there is 4th ave jail .. so would depend on where news crew is parked. This court building is only about a year old .. but the old one had a place in “downstairs” inferring basement like where there was a holding area. I would imagine the new building is similar .. so they dont have to transport on demand. (when inmate has court .. all inmates transported together , they wait there all day no-matter what time their court is.. when everyone is done they are transported back )

  91. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 3:27 pm

    Did ya all just see my man JM talking about the DP on another case on HLN????? 😀

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 3:30 pm

      Missed that…

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 3:36 pm

        So sad, you lose 😦 Gonna miss seeing him in action every day, just gonna be seeing the personal side 😀

  92. 05/07/2013 at 3:31 pm

    I’ve never heard that song, “Oh Holy night.” But I could sing it word for word, now, as I’ve hard that filthy hole sing it about 7,000 times on HLN the past couple weeks. Drives me nuts.

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 3:38 pm

      It USED to be a beautiful hymn. I remember singing it as a solo in the choir once Christmas.

    • 05/07/2013 at 3:47 pm

      That would be “filthy 3-hole” Bubble… 😉

  93. 05/07/2013 at 3:40 pm

    @ Schaeffer. WOW! I called my local Books a Million in reference to the book, “Someone cry for the Children…” The gal told me it wasn’t out of print, that it could be found on Amazon…brand new: $478 used: $72. Not that I doubted you, just wanted to see if I could find a loophole. Wowzer. ISBN: 9780803782839. Yeah, library sounds like the way to go.

    • kristin
      05/07/2013 at 6:23 pm

      Why is this book so $$$? Lots of books go out of print and still cost 99¢ on eBay! I’m very curious!

      • Schaeffer
        05/07/2013 at 7:30 pm

        Just because the $$$ price is listed doesn’t mean anyone is paying it. If you are interested, contact your library. Inter-library loan is usually free, or as nominal as 25 cents.

  94. Kathy A.
    05/07/2013 at 3:43 pm

    I have a question for anyone who has an answer or a theory. Darryl Brewer and Matt McCartney seem to still have soft spots for JA. Darryl seemed reluctant to testify against her or to talk about the gas cans or how she said she was going to Mesa, and to both of them I feel like asking “Did you boys see what she did to Travis?” So my question is this: why Travis? It could have easily been Bobby Juarez, or Matt, or Darryl. What about Travis drove her to this because she spied on the others, had confrontations, etc., and obviously can’t let go of anyone, but why him (not that I’m implying the other men deserved the same fate at all)?

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 3:49 pm

      With each guy she bettered herself and figured that if she couldn’t make it herself (which we all know she didn’t even want to try and do) she figured that TA was her perfect meal ticket. Gainfully employed, had a house, was looking for a wife, etc.

    • Dewey
      05/07/2013 at 3:54 pm

      maybe her obsession with him was greater because she saw him as a man who could give her the life she wanted. just a guess

    • Kristi
      05/07/2013 at 4:03 pm

      Because those other guys fell for her and agreed to be in a relationship, at least for a while. Travis never did. I think for Jodi, it became a competition, she was going to have him at all costs. When she couldn’t have him alive, she had him dead.

    • 05/07/2013 at 4:10 pm

      Kathy A you ansered your own question.

      they still have soft spots for her

      Travis said she was an evil sociopath and told her to get the hell out of his life.

      Therein lies your answer.

    • Kathy A.
      05/07/2013 at 5:07 pm

      Thank you all for your insight. You’re either for Jodi or you’re against her and if you’re against her, Heaven help you. I just pray she never sees the light of day again…because if, for example, her mother angers her again I don’t think she’ll be satisfied with just kicking her anymore.

  95. PENNY WINSTEAD
    05/07/2013 at 3:44 pm

    Does anybody need to get refreshed on the George (POS) Thomas retrial? I re-read this the other day. Posting just in case you’d like to look at it again…(while we wait)
    http://web.knoxnews.com/pdf/2009/120409george-thomas-transcript.pdf

    • NancyB
      05/07/2013 at 4:01 pm

      Hi Penny! Much appreciated.

  96. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 3:47 pm

    Deanna Reid is on Dr. Drew tonight.

  97. 05/07/2013 at 3:48 pm

    Ohhhh, Nooooo

  98. CC ...
    05/07/2013 at 3:49 pm

    Ok, what have I missed? 😉

    I need to go grocery shopping after work … decisions, decisions……

    Oh who am I kidding — I still have wine left at home.

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 3:50 pm

      That’s the spirit CC 😀

  99. 05/07/2013 at 3:49 pm

    2 jurors seen escorted away by deputies

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 3:51 pm

      bathroom break or would there be one connected to the jury room?

  100. 05/07/2013 at 3:50 pm

    Holy Noly

    • Jay
      05/07/2013 at 4:02 pm

      Holy diet coke.
      That’s what they went to get according to HLN

  101. 05/07/2013 at 3:51 pm

    deliberations have stopped

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 3:51 pm

      whatdoyamean bubble??????????????????????????????????? Do tell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • CC ...
      05/07/2013 at 3:53 pm

      What????????????????????????????????

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 3:54 pm

      Well that could be because of the 2 jurors being in the potty?????????????

    • truejustice
      05/07/2013 at 3:55 pm

      WHAT ?? ABC15 says that jurors are just now returning with drinks in hand etc ?

      • CC ...
        05/07/2013 at 3:56 pm

        You guys are killing me here…
        😉

  102. Family of Law
    05/07/2013 at 3:54 pm

    I have just received a call from the barn, apparently now I’m not only TENSE about the the Verdict watch, I’ve just been informed that I’m also on “Kitten watch”! Mamma barn cat has decided that today is the day to go into labor!!! Noooooooo! I’m busy!!!!! Hubby, is really now not happy (or funny), I sent him down to play midwife! (mid-hubby?)

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 3:57 pm

      Mid-hubby sounds good – equal rights and opportunity for all 🙂

    • NancyB
      05/07/2013 at 3:58 pm

      Your Hubby sounds like a darling 🙂

      • NancyB
        05/07/2013 at 4:56 pm

        Hi FOL – I mean, he WENT! In my book that’s a sweetheart, no? Please keep us updated with Mama’s progress! Won’t Soldier (Sweet) Boy be surprised? Where is she birthing? Is it in the same barn with him?

      • 05/08/2013 at 2:07 am

        LOL! I was watching that too bubble and nearly choked on my food…they played the “duh duh duh” type music or sound whatever it is and broke in with “3 jurors have left the building!” The dramatics were hilarious! Then, they report how the jurors came back with a coke, diet cokes and some apples. I couldn’t believe it…

    • kristin
      05/07/2013 at 6:26 pm

      Name all the kitties after Travis’s siblings:)

  103. 05/07/2013 at 3:56 pm

    Probably going out for lunch…3 more jurors just escorted out. HLN probably just over reacting. Jesus.

    • Dewey
      05/07/2013 at 3:59 pm

      bubble i saw yesterday you said you used to live in philly, im right over the bridge from there.

      • Kathy A.
        05/07/2013 at 4:02 pm

        Ooh, which direction are you? I’m in Arizona, but used to live in Wildwood, NJ.

      • Dewey
        05/07/2013 at 4:04 pm

        kathy, im in mt laurel (burlington county)

  104. NancyB
    05/07/2013 at 3:56 pm

    As a reminder – these jury descriptions are from KatieCoolady:

    1.Church Lady- Mid 50′s, short hair, no make-up, glasses.
    This lady looks absolutely disgusted the whole time. I never once saw her look in the direction of JA. Not ONCE. She either stares straight forward or looks at JM.

    2.Trump-Guy in 40′s, lots of hair, car salesman look.
    I called this guy “Comb Over” he had his head resting on his hand almost the whole time. He also never looks at JA. He seemed to be paying attention, but also seemed bored.

    3.Housewife-She is a big lady (tall and heavy set, not obese) with a very sweet face, no make-up. Interesting different view today. I called her the “Angry Neighbor Lady” Lol. I wrote that she follows along, but has a constant “sour puss”. I don’t know if it’s just “her look” or what, but she seemed to be frowning every time I looked at her.

    4.Grandpa-Bald, sweet faced older man that looks like my grandpa.
    He does have a sweet face and seems the “calm” type.

    6.Nancy-Lady in her 50′s, lovely face, reminds me of Nancy Reagan with glasses, short. She was the only one I saw look at Jodi when the jury first walked in. She took a lot of notes.

    7.Paul Rudd-Younger guy, mid-late 20′s with spiky hair, sweat jacket, looks like the actor Paul Rudd.

    9.Willy-Old hippy with long white ponytail, thin, small build.
    This guy looked PIZZED the whole time. He seemed to be staring towards the media lady or just into the corner. I only saw him look at JM or JA maybe once.

    12.Neil-Early 50′s high forehead, glasses, looks very nervous and turns red easily.

    13.The Wrestler-Younger good looking guy, large build.

    14.Old potsmoking CPA. He swiveled in his chair a lot and fell asleep at least twice. He was also slouched down in his chair.

    16.Maureen-Red haired, glasses (the red might be too red to be a natural ginger) If I had to guess one Mormon on the jury, it would be her.
    She took a lot of notes and had a “polished” look to her. She had her whole body turned facing Jodi. I barely saw her look at JM.

    18.The Artist-Bald, attractive, glasses, 50′s-60′s, large build, holds his notebook on a binder as if he’s going to sketch. He looks around the gallery a lot. This guy also had a very intense gaze. He took some notes. He rubbed his face and tapped his fingers to his lips a lot.

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 3:59 pm

      and this is the layout that was made to go with the descriptions

      • NancyB
        05/07/2013 at 4:57 pm

        YES!

      • 05/07/2013 at 5:29 pm

        Tx for posting the juror layout, I’ve been hoping someone would post it again as the other link from a few days ago
        was unavailable – I work for a graphics company and my boss
        thought it really clever when I showed it to him. Did KKL do this or you MMD? Either way my boss would like to know please. Tx

      • Tracey A
        05/08/2013 at 12:16 am

        OMG! I was just wondering where I could find this the other day. I remember this!!! This is the work of Chrissie A, that evil genius. FYI – I had trouble loading this but when I hit F5 (or refresh…I had to learn that from someone else way back when) I saw an updated version. Too funny!

  105. 05/07/2013 at 4:02 pm

    Oh no, a couple of the jurors came back with DIET COKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  106. Nienna
    05/07/2013 at 4:04 pm

    What the hell is actually going on down there. Afraid we will never know!

    Wild About Trial@WildAboutTrial
    Back at courthouse. Jurors had lunch here it seems. Fire truck just pulled up. Not sure why yet.

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 4:06 pm

      a lady went flying down the front steps of the courthouse. Being treated by EMS and will be transported to nearest med facility.

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 4:06 pm

      Yup. A woman fell down the stairs out front of courthouse. This is a circus today!!!

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 4:07 pm

      They have also put up security tape so that it wouldn’t happen to anyone else. She simply slipped.

      • Nienna
        05/07/2013 at 4:08 pm

        My lord.

    • 05/07/2013 at 4:08 pm

      Someone fell on the steps, still laying down

  107. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 4:05 pm

    Happy dance – she doesn’t have a golf pencil!!!!!!! YaY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She’s spending the rest of the time in a holding cell where she arrived between 5-7 this morning and is still in her prison stripes. Love it, love it, love it!!! 😀 😆 🙂

    • 05/07/2013 at 4:09 pm

      And you know it’s cold in there.

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 4:25 pm

        even doing a happier dance. I hope she enjoys it cause it’s gonna be hot where she ends up!!!

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 4:12 pm

      Did that come from HLN?

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 4:16 pm

        YEP – Courtroom official gave JVM an interview as to procedures.

    • Kathy A.
      05/07/2013 at 4:13 pm

      I just love that she is in the custody of Maricopa County. She’s in a holding cell now, but at the county jail Sheriff Joe Arpaio doesn’t believe jail should be a good time, or particularly comfortable. He mandated the striped uniforms several years ago because he felt inmates should look like inmates; the shirts, socks, and underwear of the male inmates are dyed pink because they were being stolen, and they are given sack lunches either consisting of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches or bologna. She will probably welcome going to prison. Unfortunately.

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 4:24 pm

        I love, love, love Sheriff Joe!!!!!!!!!!!!! They should clone him, imho.

    • NancyB
      05/07/2013 at 5:00 pm

      Me too!!!! No diversions and just all alone with her psychopathic thoughts.

  108. 05/07/2013 at 4:08 pm

    bubblebutts :
    2 jurors seen escorted away by deputies

    Maybe they were alternates being escorted out for lunch.? The deliberating jurors had lunch brought in, I don’t imagine they would have the alternates eating with them.
    Also just heard that jodi is in basement holding cell in her prison stripes with NO pencils and paper. She gets there between 5 and 7 am. When verdict in, she’ll be brought up and changed out into civilian clothes.

  109. ringadingding
    05/07/2013 at 4:11 pm

    Here’s what I think is happening now: The jurors declared it Nurmi Tuesday, which means everything they do is in slow m….o….t…i….o….n. They started to find her guilty of First Degree Premeditation and Felony Murder at 10:00 am, but that’s a lot of syllables for each of them to crank out, necessitating a lunch break and lots of reclining. Somebody might have worked in the word anal, which took up another 30 minutes of pronunciation.

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 4:14 pm

      ROFL

    • Kathy A.
      05/07/2013 at 4:15 pm

      Don’t forget, they probably have to throw a lot of “eeeeeeeeeaaaannd”‘s in there. 🙂

      • kristin
        05/07/2013 at 6:29 pm

        Maybe they are repeating all the filthy words and laughing out of control!

    • 05/07/2013 at 5:58 pm

      Ok that was funny!!!

    • NancyB
      05/07/2013 at 9:44 pm

      ringding that’s the best laugh I’ve had today!!!

  110. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 4:13 pm

    How about we pose the foreperson ? again. Any suggestions?

    I think either CPA or grampa

    Gawd help us all if it’s the Dumpster lookalike 😦

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 4:15 pm

      Rumored to be Juror #3

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 4:20 pm

        So according to Lady in Court – 3.Housewife-She is a big lady (tall and heavy set, not obese) with a very sweet face, no make-up. Interesting different view today. I called her the “Angry Neighbor Lady” Lol. I wrote that she follows along, but has a constant “sour puss”. I don’t know if it’s just “her look” or what, but she seemed to be frowning every time I looked at her. (reminded her of Roseanne)

      • Nienna
        05/07/2013 at 4:23 pm

        Someone stated she took lots of notes, asked questions and paid alot of attention to Juan.

      • Nienna
        05/07/2013 at 4:26 pm

        Should have said CLOSE attention to Juan!

  111. Moon
    05/07/2013 at 4:14 pm

    I heard somewhere that the jurors are “dressed down” today. Don’t most jurors dress up for the verdict??

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 4:16 pm

      Most jurors dress up for court too. But not everyone in this crowd.

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 4:19 pm

      Sometimes but one guy has been wearing flip flops and shorts all through the trial so I don’t think there is a formal dress code or maybe just cause he has a shirt on, he figures he’s dressed up. 🙂

      • Moon
        05/07/2013 at 5:07 pm

        lol oh i didn’t realize that! well maybe this is as dressed up as they get!

    • Nienna
      05/07/2013 at 4:20 pm

      Just holding out on hope 🙂

    • 05/07/2013 at 5:30 pm

      I think people in AZ don’t dress up much due to the heat. My sister lives there and works in a professional office. It is always casual dress and less. Just my input

  112. 05/07/2013 at 4:31 pm

    MMD :
    I love, love, love Sheriff Joe!!!!!!!!!!!!! They should clone him, imho.

    Does Juan know about this?

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 4:44 pm

      Of course he knows!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everybody loves Sheriff Joe!!! especially a prosecutor 😀

      • WhereIsSHE
        05/07/2013 at 5:29 pm

        Yah.. especially the neo-nazis/white supremacists who attend his political rallies.
        Don’t believe me?
        Look it up.
        Look up JT Ready. He’s the white supremacist (or “holocaust-denying, neo-nazi racist”) who loved his Joe Arpaio rallies.. and who massacred his girlfriend and her family before cowardly shooting himself.
        Ask the local, LEGAL hispanic residents who packed up and moved away out of a real fear and threat of Arpaio’s racial profiling which landed numerous INNOCENT latinos in his infamous “tent city”, pounding rocks all day in the Arizona desert heat.
        And Joe doesn’t deny any of it.
        He actually loves to brag about it, doncha know.

        No, MMD.
        Not VERYONE loves Sherriff Joe Arpaio.

      • WhereIsSHE
        05/07/2013 at 5:38 pm

        Stick with Juan, MMD.
        He’s the far better man. Far, far better man.

    • Family of Law
      05/07/2013 at 4:52 pm

      Sheriff Joe, is a living legend- we DO need to clone him!!!

      • kristin
        05/07/2013 at 6:31 pm

        In the words of Sarah Palin- You betcha!!

      • Family of Law
        05/07/2013 at 6:46 pm

        Aloha Kristen! Egad, she can also see Russia from her house 🙂

      • Crystal Harris
        05/07/2013 at 11:44 pm

        Count me in as a Sheriff Joe fan–“America’s Sheriff”!

      • kristin
        05/08/2013 at 1:11 am

        Crystal, I watched your episode of Who the bleep did I marry. Let me clear my throat real quick…..”Did you ever know that you’re my hero……”. You amaze me. You are knocking all abusers dicks in the dirt. So proud to even know you get to read this!

  113. 05/07/2013 at 4:42 pm

    MMD :
    I love, love, love Sheriff Joe!!!!!!!!!!!!! They should clone him, imho.

    You’re a fickle fickle woman, MMD !!! When Juan’s down here for a scheduled lunch next month, I’m ratting you out. ;). then he’ll be mine I tell ya! I wrote about it in my journal. So it’s true.

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 4:47 pm

      LOL 😄 … and I suppose you also believe in the “law of attraction”? 😉

      • MMD
        05/07/2013 at 4:49 pm

        Just another JA wannabee 😯 I mean truly, anybody that pays any attention to the Law of Attraction – pfffffffffffft

      • 05/07/2013 at 4:51 pm

        But of course. :). It’s been proven true… Its Juanderful!! Its marvelous!!! ( it’s a song and I’m surely dating myself, but JM fits right in).

      • HJ Madison
        05/07/2013 at 4:59 pm

        … and I heard exactly the tune as I read your words…. must be of a similar fine vintage! ….

  114. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 4:46 pm

    See above reply to Syn!!! He and I both love, love, love Sheriff Joe!!!! 🙂

  115. 05/07/2013 at 4:46 pm

    kk well this is really rivetting stuff staring at this damn seal.. so Im off to get zzzzzs… Night night.. or whatever is applicable to all… txt me if it’s murder 1 otherwise let me sleep!

    **waves**

    • MMD
      05/07/2013 at 4:48 pm

      Sleep tight syn – I think I’ll have a nap. Can’t stand this any longer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Family of Law
      05/07/2013 at 4:53 pm

      Nitey 🌙 nite Syn….

    • Moon
      05/07/2013 at 5:01 pm

      nite Syn.. sdz!!

  116. Family of Law
    05/07/2013 at 4:49 pm

    I try to steady my frayed nerves while waiting by reminding myself that this jury has been proven to be meticulous throughout this trial… I’m sure they have an overwhelming amount of notes, evidence, etc. to go through, piece by piece. And I (((hope))) they will use all of it to find her GUILTY! But then… I think about the grave possibility that JA could end up being able to say, “still winning, brat”!!!!!

    http://grahamwinch.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/jodiariasngfile.pdf

    When I read this, I think… What if she was right? Then I reach for my BARF bag!

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 4:57 pm

      Oh FOL stop reading that filthy thing! WOBO is a lying sack of shite (as Syn would say). Everyone knows it! She will have nothing but a miserable lonely existance as she waits by the gates of hell. One way or another she will pay for this and for her contempt of all the values we hold near and dear. BTW, you have new kittens …. I got a new nephew yesterday!

      • Family of Law
        05/07/2013 at 5:22 pm

        HJ!!! Very sage advice! Thanks, I’m trying! But that horrific “Tweet” of hers last night had my head spinning re: that early plea! Ack!!!!

        Your brand new nephew, trumps kittens any day!!! Congratulations! Spoil the little lamb with (((hugs))) and kisses!!!

    • 05/07/2013 at 4:57 pm

      If she gets anything other than first degree ill be grabbing your barf bag. That would be horrendous. Not only would the verdict be unjust but the thought of her smug reaction is enough to make me absolutely insane. The thought of her “winning”? Not possible. Right?

      • Jill
        05/07/2013 at 5:19 pm

        I can’t imagine how horrible that would be if that happened.
        It’d b like she had won against the whole world.
        I would b so sick. She would b in hog heaven.

    • NancyB
      05/07/2013 at 5:14 pm

      FOL – My thoughts have mirrored yours. I hate to admit that I have some niggling residual lack of faith in the jury system. Even though this jury has consistently produced highly intelligent questions that indicated high level and complex thinking skills. Still, I don’t think that I will ever totally trust the system again after hearing from the Pinellas county jurors who post verdict announced to the media that “they couldn’t put someone to death…” when by law they had no legal basis for even discussing such a thing during their deliberations during the GUILT phase. There was not a logical thinker in that entire group of 12 people, even though some of them were educators and had master’s degrees. They’re comments blatantly proved their confusion and inability to follow the jury instructions that they were bound by law to follow.

      • NancyB
        05/07/2013 at 5:20 pm

        Their not they’re

      • Family of Law
        05/07/2013 at 5:36 pm

        Oh Nancy, let’s pray that this Arizona jury, has better sense then that Florida jury…. This jury has asked very astute Q’s (although not all jurors asked Q’s- that’s where I get nervous…)
        Anything less than Murder 1 (premeditated or Felony, I don’t care) will be a travesty in justice, and my faith in the system will never be made right again.
        The thought of the Alexander family being devestated is unthinkable! And it’s also horrific thinking of JA’s smug, “winning smirk”…
        Way upstairs… I posted a link to “The Final Juror Instructions”, I lost count of how many times I’ve read them, but surely any juror reading those will conclude that they can only give 1st Degree Murder! Juan even made it easy offering “Felony Murder”, JA’s own lie about taking Travis’s gun and shooting him! Wouldn’t that be ironic?

  117. Dilligas
    05/07/2013 at 4:52 pm

    OOPS what does WOBO mean. (new to all of this)

    • NancyB
      05/07/2013 at 5:18 pm

      Wobo = whore of babble on and on and on…

      • Dilligas
        05/07/2013 at 6:52 pm

        thanks NancyB

  118. 05/07/2013 at 4:52 pm

    Hi Everyone….this waiting is driving me crazy….and I sure all on this site are experiencing the same emotions. My stomach is a mess with anxiety. ~~~~wave and hugs~~~~from Massachusetts to all. md

    • njrose
      05/07/2013 at 5:08 pm

      Hi, Md, waving back from NJ here. I too am on pins & needles, waiting and waiting and trying to remain hopeful !

    • kristin
      05/07/2013 at 6:33 pm

      Waving back from Hawaii! I’m am scratching up the damn walls!!

  119. Kathy A.
    05/07/2013 at 5:12 pm

    Dewey :
    kathy, im in mt laurel (burlington county)

    Oh, wow – you are literally right across the bridge from Philly – almost in a straight line. 🙂

  120. Moon
    05/07/2013 at 5:17 pm

    Hi MD…
    knots in the tummy here!

    • 05/07/2013 at 5:30 pm

      Moon… I’m feeling pretty nasty myself. But I think it’s going to be alright.. I posted a Huff Post poll early this AM. I think results were 67% first Degree 22% 2nd degree and 11% manslaughter. Don’t know if its changed. David Lohr had it on his post. I should check
      That did make me uncomfortable.

      • Moon
        05/07/2013 at 5:41 pm

        My hope is for complete victory… 12 saying premed and felony!! I sure hope and pray these jurors get it RIGHT!!

  121. 05/07/2013 at 5:21 pm

    HJ Madison :
    … and I heard exactly the tune as I read your words…. must be of a similar fine vintage! ….

    Juanderful to know im not alone. Only the best for us HJ!!! Lol. speaking of vintage, where’s CiCis Circle ?? BTW, I’m ready to decant……

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 5:45 pm

      I know … where are those hens especially when we need a very good laugh!

  122. NancyB
    05/07/2013 at 5:30 pm

    My dream verdict is 7 premeditated 1st degree and 3 felony murder in the 1st! That would be a screw you directly at the lying defense team!

    • WhereIsSHE
      05/07/2013 at 10:38 pm

      Ummm… no it wouldn’t. You only have 10 votes there, NancyB!
      Need all 12 to convict her of 1st degree!

      I’d prefer it be unanimous– all 12 for premeditated murder, because that’s what the evidence establishes.
      Juan argued that the State’s position was that this was a heinous, well-planned, premeditated murder.
      They only threw in the felony-murder as a way to give jurors an alternative to finding her guilty of 1st degree murder IF they believe she did not steal that .25 from her grandparents’ home to take with her to Mesa, on her MISSION to MURDER Travis.

      Sometimes it’s good to provide that option; sometimes it backfires, because it confuses the heck out of many jurors. They are bothered by the fact that the law provides for them to reach the same verdict based on two entirely different theories of the facts.
      It’s a gamble, and one that I am sure was debated at length before the charges were filed.

      It’s good for juries to take their time and be thorough, but this is a case where you know who did it; you know HOW she did it (i.e. stab to heart, slashing of throat, gunshot to head), and the only ostensible issue up for debate is the “why” she did it.

      I would bet that someone is having a hard time with believing that Travis was “very scared or frightened” of Jodi due to her stalking behavior, but still had sex with her that day. (I would never have conceded that they did, in fact, have sex that day. I believe those photos were staged by Arias. How is it that the roommate never even knew that Travis was home that whole day, let alone knew that Arias had “dropped in” for an allegedly “welcomed” visit? I don’t believe the evidence shows that Travis had any clue that she was on her way to Mesa. I believe it shows that the visit was a planned, surprise ATTACK. Just because her cell was turned off does not mean he would not have attempted several calls IF he knew she was on her way at such a late hour, driving all alone, etc. The absence of a record– the absence of phone calls by Travis to Jodi’s cell phone– is admissible to show that he didn’t know she was on her way. I mean.. according to her, he was UP, watching youtube videos, and so why wouldn’t he have at least called his “bootycall” at least ONCE just to check and see if she was OK/still on her way/what time she would be pulling up to his house after a very long, dark drive??)

      People can get married to their positions in a hurry and dig their heels in if others in the room are not willing to simply LISTEN to what they have to say and take the time to patiently review how the evidence fails to support what the defense wants the juror(s) to believe.

      • Moon
        05/08/2013 at 1:02 am

        right on! I wish Juan would not have conceded that point. It is also a thought of mine that he wasn’t really on the puter that he and nap were up in bed and she got on the puter to kill some time b4 th eactual kill and to be sure Travis was alone. If and only if they had sex that day i still think it was him saying to himself ok if i do this then she will leave and then i will be done with her. Everything about this case screams pre med. i just want the jurors to count it both ways … she deserves all the stabs she gets! She did commit a felony burglury that day…she stole TA’s LIFE

  123. NancyB
    05/07/2013 at 5:32 pm

    Except I can’t add! So in correction – 5 for felony murder in the 1st degree 🙂

    • Family of Law
      05/07/2013 at 5:39 pm

      I’d like to share in that dream!

  124. Dewey
    05/07/2013 at 5:38 pm

    Is anyone watching HLN right now? Did you see the online juror’s “logic” about why no pre-meditation? Im speechless. A sloppy job of cleaning up the crime scene? What is happening to our world? What has happened to common sense and logic? Im rambling, sorry, just frustrated.

    • CC ...
      05/07/2013 at 5:51 pm

      I am so glad I missed that. Grrrrrrr

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 5:56 pm

      I am on delay … those people are idiots Dewey! One thing, and one thing only … she thought that she meticulously constructed an alibi and had everyone fooled. NOT! See, this is what happens when you think you have an IQ of Einstein but you are really just above average. 😊

      • Lisa M
        05/07/2013 at 6:10 pm

        This waiting is gut wrenching.

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 6:08 pm

      Sloppy cleanup? Omg that’s because the unexpected happened. There’s so much premeditation. So it didn’t go perfectly and not everything fits together. The jury got so much evidence to show premeditation, based on what she did before and after the crime. What can be the sticking point?

      • Dewey
        05/07/2013 at 6:49 pm

        exactly! she expected the entire thing to take place in the shower, then run the water, clean it up and get out. she didnt expect him to come out of that shower. why cant everyone see that?

      • Crystal Harris
        05/07/2013 at 11:48 pm

        It’s called REAL LIFE! Plans just don’t go the way you thought they would. It doesn’t mean you didn’t PLAN!

  125. 05/07/2013 at 5:42 pm

    Philly representin’

  126. 05/07/2013 at 5:42 pm

    Hi all, I read and enjoy your discussions frequently but by the time I’m through reading most of them, it’s time for me to get back to work – I wouls like to be able to comment more but time does not permit. I just wanted to thank each and everyone of you for your information regarding the trial. Sincerely, Gem.

    • Jill
      05/07/2013 at 6:49 pm

      Nice to meet u Gem! Hope u can chat soon. We’d love to hear from you!

  127. 05/07/2013 at 5:44 pm

    Lots of folks stalking but holding back. Comon in all, the water’s fine.

    • 05/07/2013 at 5:50 pm

      Is that the Bud talking? LOL

    • Family of Law
      05/07/2013 at 6:43 pm

      Aww Bubble, I can no longer form sentences… I can’t even think of a witty reply!

  128. 05/07/2013 at 5:49 pm

    Family of Law :
    This jury has asked very astute Q’s

    True they have BUT we have no way of knowing if the people that asked those great questions are still there??? EEEEK!

    • Family of Law
      05/07/2013 at 6:41 pm

      That’s the scary thing… Plus, not all jurors asked Q’s… That’s the uneasy, queasy pit in my stomach 😦

      • Kathy A.
        05/08/2013 at 4:00 am

        True, but those who did ask questions may have asked some things that the others had thought about, and they all heard the questions and the answers that were given (or lies in some cases). Hopefully they give them weight in their deliberations.

  129. 05/07/2013 at 5:53 pm

    Family of Law :
    I just wanted to go through both letters with a red pen and edit them!!! Honestly, 8th grade grammar, at best. Schaeffer made a great point last night saying that it was obvious JA wrote both, and had the mama just sign her name.

    Hi FOL-do u know who Jim Logan is? He is ccd on the typed letter. I haven’t heard of him before. Tx
    ,
    M

    • Family of Law
      05/07/2013 at 6:39 pm

      Hi Lisa 🙂 I saw that CC last night too, and looked him up… Jim Logan is the director of the Office of the Public Defender Services in Maricopa County.

  130. stephanie
    05/07/2013 at 5:56 pm

    I was thinking about this verdict last night and was wondering if the Casey Anthony verdict would have any effect on the jurors in this trial. If any of them were as outraged with the outcome I was, if that were give them any hesitation to their decision.

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 6:00 pm

      That is an interesting thought!

  131. truejustice
    05/07/2013 at 6:01 pm

    I’m calling it a day .. Don’t see it happening in last 1.5 .

    (watch that’s when it’ll happen)

  132. Anonymous
    05/07/2013 at 6:06 pm

    5 jurors escorted out possible smoke break. This is driving me nuts. Come on already.
    Hi everyjuan

  133. ringadingding
    05/07/2013 at 6:14 pm

    I’m choosing to think they reached a verdict last Friday (first degree with all the trimmings), but they like the idea of making JA wait in a holding cell with her baloney sandwich day after day.

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 6:17 pm

      Good One!!! LOL Especially hoping her golf pencils have been restricted!

      • ringadingding
        05/07/2013 at 6:48 pm

        Egad…let’s hope. The last thing this world needs is more seventh grade golf pencil art.

  134. 05/07/2013 at 6:17 pm

    You know, I used to feel for “the mom” but lately I just don’t know. Is it ignorance or what, on her part? Why didn’t she stand up to, help her daughter? That’s one question. Then her actions such as letter to the judge and things that are said in there, her actions in court, etc. Is she like her daughter enjoying the spotlight? She peddles her daughter’s “artwork” – making money off of her notoriety as a result of her murderous actions? I would be so embarrassed, horrified, wanting to hide under a rock. If it was my daughter of course I would still love her but wrong is wrong. Could be it be ignorance, social shortfalling. I would feel so awful even being around the Alexanders. I’m just beside myself thinking of her actions and attitude. Any thoughts out there?

    • 05/07/2013 at 6:24 pm

      A parent can’t abandon their children. Look at the Anthony’s. Cindy Anthony perjured herself for her daughter. George was being accused of abuse on Casey & of disposing of Caylee’s body. Yet they were there every day. I don’t feel like Jodi’s mom’s conduct has been appropriate at all times but seriously how do you conduct yourself if your child has been charged with such a horrible crime? Hard road to walk down & wouldn’t want to be in their shoes for nothing!

      • Kathy A.
        05/07/2013 at 6:34 pm

        The issue I have with Jodi’s mother and aunt is the laughing and carrying on in the courtroom. Whatever they may be going through, it’s total lack of respect and empathy for the Alexander family, who are grieving and in such obvious pain. It’s like re-victimizing them, because they have to sit there in control and endure this, while JA’s family acts like they are at a party. Not to mention that their daughter/niece is on trial for her life – what is funny about any of that? It’s inappropriate and classless.

      • jennifer
        05/07/2013 at 6:37 pm

        keep in mind, they are NOT paying for her defence…they left it up to public defenders to keep her alive, so I think they DO know she’s evil. they HAVE to go to the trial, even Dahmers dad went to the trial, but he knew his son deserved his punishment. If they really thought she was innocent, don’t you think they would have sold everything they had to provide a better defence? ESPECIALLY after meeting Nurmi & him introducing himself with a chicken wing sticking out of the side of his mouth!!!! hahahah

      • NancyB
        05/07/2013 at 6:45 pm

        I totally disagree with you. When you have a sociopath parent like Cindy Anthony then that’s what you have. I do not believe that well balanced parents would be very surprised at either JA’s actions or CA’s. I think that well balanced parents while they will always love their psychopath kids will not perjure themselves, lie under oath in an attempt to manipulate the facts so that their child will get off without being held responsible for the murder of a human being. Just my own opinion.

      • Moon
        05/07/2013 at 7:51 pm

        Well for one … You don’t sit there with your twin sister and act like you are at the movies. I’ve said from the beginning I kept expecting them to break out the popcorn! 2nd. You, just like your daughter, show no remorse or sorrow towards the REAL victim in all of this. 3. you do NOT laugh and giggle when the court is displaying the pictures of the victim… BUTCHERED by the hands and evilness of your own daughter. 4. You don’t drag/push or pull Gma to court simply to try for the smpathy. That’s all I can think of at the moment… Brightgirl listed others!!

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 6:30 pm

      Well, having a Jodi in my life, (though not a killer) it is SO HARD to believe some one you have known their entire life can be this monstrous. Just nearly impossible. My guess is that they are trying to believe her because the truth is more than a mother or a family can endure. And you do some crazy things in an effort to help them — like that letter. It took years for my family to really come to terms and included having to seruptitiously record her actions to provide HER with the evidence that her gig was over… sad 😞

      • NancyB
        05/07/2013 at 6:51 pm

        HJ Madison – My heart goes out to you in a BIG way. And I definitely can believe that one might do some crazy things in efforts to “save” them by continuing to enable and cover for them but again we are talking about premeditated murder here and I don’t believe that most parents would cover for and actively defend their own guilty child’s actions unless they too were cut from the same mold. How in the world could Sandy Arias sit that close the all those grieving siblings and not from the 1st day have quietly and privately approached them to tell them how deeply sorry she is for Travis’ death and/or her daughter’s sole role in causing his death? I would not be able to daily look myself in the mirror if I was her. Then on top of it her courtroom actions is nearly equivalent to dancing on his grave.

      • HJ Madison
        05/07/2013 at 7:13 pm

        Hey Nancy and others … I know you understand when I say I, in no way, condone that ugly behavior in the courtroom. I hear you loud and clear …. one thing to undertand is how very vicious your personal WOBO can be. To be kind to the Alexander’s, even in your heart, leaves you wide open to unbelievable excoriation by your personal WOBO. Even the slightest hint! They still must handle WOBO. Plus, in feeling sorry for TA’s family you some how are negating the belief that she only did it in self-defense. They are desperate to believe this happened just as she claimed.

      • Crystal Harris
        05/07/2013 at 11:58 pm

        Madison, I agree with you. In my husband’s case, I was surprised that his family totally supported him. I knew that THEY knew the truth…that he raped me. I even sat down and asked his sister how on earth they could support him when I was in fear for my life. She answered that it was too much to think that your own brother or son could be capable of such crimes. I didn’t expect them to disown him, I just didn’t want them to do things that helped him get out of jail. But they did.
        I hold my boys accountable for their actions every day. If they committed a crime, I’ve told them I’d bring them cookies in prison…but I’m not going to help them avoid responsibility. They know that!

    • NancyB
      05/07/2013 at 6:41 pm

      I know what you mean. Early in the trial, on Jan 8th Dr Horn testified & during Juan’s direct he was showing for the very 1st time the gruesome and horrific autopsy pics of Travis and I personally saw with my own eyeballs the 2 twins yucking it up and whispering and smiling and giggling and it was one of THE most disgusting things I’ve seen during this trial. There is no adequate explanation for that level of disrespect and coldness. Last night one of Chris Hughes brother’s was explaining that the day that the court instituted the lottery system for available seating during closing arguments, he got in and was seated on the public side directly behind Sandy Arias and he described the same thing. While very graphic and disturbing pics were being shown (namely the slashed throat pic) that she was laughing and how disgusted he felt. He described being truly shocked by her despicable court room behavior. I no longer have any “sympathy” whatsoever for the circumstances that she finds herself in. AND, what has so drastically changed from the way that she described their financial situation in that letter to the judge, that stated that her husband was too ill to work, which maybe the case; and that she must work 2 full time jobs to support the family. Between Jodi’s art scam sales and Dr Phil’s advance, she seems to not have a care in the world.

  135. SCK
    05/07/2013 at 6:18 pm

    Ok so I hate to listen to the talking heads on HLN — for those of you on the blog who are attorneys (or seem to be to me); does the jury taking this long really mean it’s good for the defense?? I just can’t imagine what they didn’t see that the rest of us did……

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 6:32 pm

      As I noted a bit ago … Scott Peterson …. 7 days …. you can never tell.

      • SCK
        05/07/2013 at 6:35 pm

        Doesn’t make me feel any better….I have an adult son and cringe every time I think about the possibility of her dating again.

      • kristin
        05/07/2013 at 6:43 pm

        I keep repeating this to myself when I get worried about these deliberations.

  136. 05/07/2013 at 6:28 pm

    Ohhhh good gawd…. the talking heads that in the Scott Peterson trial they were out for 7 DAYS!!! I can’t even imagine. Heaven help us.

    • 05/07/2013 at 6:46 pm

      Scott’s case was different though because he never admitted he did it. Sure Scott is a liar and deceiver but that doesn’t make him a murderer. So the jury were dealing with whether or not the had any reasonable doubt that he did it and I believe the jury got it right. The Casey Anthony case is the same situation because she was a liar and deceiver, but she never admitted guilt. Once again, the prosecutor had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Casey did it. Unfortunately, the jury got it wrong but the jury didn’t get to know all the information that was given to the public either. With Jodi, we have an admitted liar, deceiver and murderer. There is no question that she did it, the only question is does it qualify as first or second degree murder or manslaughter. I can’t even consider the posibility that the jury would come back with “not guilty” when she admitted she did it.

      • Lisa M
        05/07/2013 at 9:09 pm

        Yeah I agree. I highly doubt an acquittal will happen. It’s about what degree she deserves.

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 6:47 pm

      Patience has never been one of my virtues. 😊

  137. 05/07/2013 at 6:29 pm

    I honestly don’t think it is a good sign that the jury is still deliberating. What don’t they know that we know that would make them question premeditation? I don’t personally care about whether the gun shot or the stabbing came first because I really don’t see what difference it makes. Missing gun of same caliber as one used at the scene + renting a car 100 miles from home + worried about “red” color car + gas cans + hair color + phone going dead upon entering Arizona and then miraculously working again upon leaving = premeditation to me. I don’t see “reasonable” doubt here.

    If they can’t see that all those things put together are way more than coincidences, then “Houston, we have a problem!”

    Ok….off my soapbox. I feel better now.

    • 05/07/2013 at 6:34 pm

      I’m afraid that I am getting a sinking feeling as well.

  138. jennifer
    05/07/2013 at 6:38 pm

    keep in mind, they are NOT paying for her defence…they left it up to public defenders to keep her alive, so I think they DO know she’s evil. they HAVE to go to the trial, even Dahmers dad went to the trial, but he knew his son deserved his punishment. If they really thought she was innocent, don’t you think they would have sold everything they had to provide a better defence? ESPECIALLY after meeting Nurmi & him introducing himself with a chicken wing sticking out of the side of his mouth!!!! hahahah

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 9:08 pm

      Lol Jennifer you just have me a much-needed laugh! The idea of Nurmi with a chicken wing coming out of his mouth ha ha!

      • Lisa M
        05/07/2013 at 9:11 pm

        Just GAVE me a much needed laugh

  139. Schaeffer
    05/07/2013 at 6:39 pm

    Yes2wine & gn5020 — you both took time to answer my question about the garments worn by some LDS, and I appreciate it, it just took me forever to go back and find your names. I have another question, if you would be so kind. What is the “rule” about them being seen by others? In some households it is perfectly acceptable to run around in various stages of undress, say when everyone is getting ready in the morning or in the evening when getting ready for baths or bed, and in some households everyone is expected to be fully dressed anytime they are outside their bedroom or the bathroom. I’m asking because in the picture of Travis shaving, he has his garments on, with his robe over it, and The WOBO said he was very private about anyone being in the bathroom, and didn’t want anyone in there with him. Of course she wouldn’t respect that, and nagged him until he relented. Also, is this a “rule” set by the church, or is it up to each household to decide what is right for them? Thanks.

    • 05/07/2013 at 6:53 pm

      Schaeffer, the LDS, preach modesty. The garments have short sleeves & it was discouraged by the church to wear clothing that wouldn’t cover them. Example, short sleeves wasn’t deemed appropriate if you had to tuck the garments so they wouldn’t be seen. I honestly don’t know of any “rule” per say that says others should not be able to see them. The primary “rule” if you will, was focused on modesty.

      • 05/07/2013 at 7:14 pm

        Oooops I’m sorry, I should have said “sleeveless” were deemed to be inappropriate.

      • Schaeffer
        05/07/2013 at 7:27 pm

        Thank you. In many of the photographs of Travis, they are visible peeking out from under his shorts. Also, he had a clothing company which specialized in “modesty for the ladies” as he described it. If someone loses their temple recommend, do they have to stop wearing the garments? Speaking purely as an outsider, it would seem continuing to wear them would serve as a reminder of the church’s teachings, as opposed to not wearing them. On the other hand, it might be more meaningful to be allowed to wear them after having lost that privilege for a period of time.

  140. 05/07/2013 at 6:41 pm

    Oh oh, I just heard one of the jurors had farted…stay tuned for analysis…

    Well, Vinnie, if the jurar farted, but didn’t take ownership of the alleged fart, then we could be in trouble…

    • kristin
      05/07/2013 at 6:45 pm

      That asshole’s talkin shit. Cue the hln important music

    • 05/07/2013 at 7:06 pm

      I just had a vision of a scene from the movie “Step Brothers”. lol

      • kristin
        05/07/2013 at 7:13 pm

        This is a house of learned doctors. Do share lol

  141. 05/07/2013 at 6:45 pm

    I don’t think the length of these deliberations is a bad sign. I know we are all waiting for the Right Verdict, but I have to believe they are deliberating, decompressing, sharing, and being responsible rumors. Theyve spent months listing to and viewing horrific evidence. They
    Need to talk to others who experienced th same. They will come to the right decision . It is a death penalty case. I wouldn’t feel,comfortable if they took their verdict lightly with no discussion. Let them review the evidence so they never doubt themselves should it be DP decision.
    Do not think I think the decision should be anything other than first degree. I simply know I would want to spend time with there that went through this with me. No one else will understand what they have experienced and unable to talk to Anyone about it for months. I woulD probably be suffering from some psychological stress.
    Rambling and trying to justify………….. I’m choosing to have faith, that there WILL be Justice for Travis. That there will be NO Travis-Ty of Justice.
    I would think that by end of day Friday, before the weekend, they’ll be delivering a verdict. Ii may take them that long. If longer I will officially declare myself certifiable.
    I am not checking for typos. And I wish I had emoticons. 😦

    • 05/07/2013 at 6:52 pm

      It is my understanding that they are only determining whether Jodi is guilty of first degree murder, second degree murder or manslaughter. The DP part will only be a possibility if she is charged with first degree and they will decide the sentencing at another time after a sentencing hearing wherein they can deliberate life or death. The fact that they haven’t decided on first degree yet says to me that there are some jurors (or maybe just 1) who does not believe this is first degree murder. If they are worried about a DP sentence at this point, then I have either misunderstood the jury instructions or they have.

      • Lisa M
        05/07/2013 at 7:00 pm

        I also agree with you, mysillybone, they really shouldn’t even thinking about the DP now. I think they might be trying to decide whether or not the scene corroborates Jodi’s claims. Of course I have no idea, I just hope if there are one or two jurors who aren’t on the same page, the jury foreman will gently persuade them to see reason. The worst part is we have no idea what’s going on.

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 6:55 pm

      Deco I admire your positivity and I’m going to try to follow your example. 😊 I’m predicting there will be a verdict tomorrow.

    • NancyB
      05/07/2013 at 7:00 pm

      Deco, I agree with all of your comment EXCEPT that this is a death penalty case! That particular fact should NOT even be a part of the discussion during the guilt phase of their deliberations! That is the law. Now, they ONLY must decide on her level of guilt or no guilt at all. I pray that they are not confusing the guilt issue with the death penalty issue.

      • Lisa M
        05/07/2013 at 7:03 pm

        No Nancy I doubt that is the issue. I’m pretty sure they understand the instructions. They seem like a very smart jury. Lets hope anyway!

      • 05/07/2013 at 7:26 pm

        I thought I heard inthejury instructions that although the verdict had to be unanimous, when it comes to,penalty phase it only has to be a majority of vote? Am I wrong?

  142. 05/07/2013 at 6:45 pm

    Family of Law :
    Hi Lisa I saw that CC last night too, and looked him up… Jim Logan is the director of the Office of the Public Defender Services in
    Maricopa County.

    Thanks FOL

  143. 05/07/2013 at 6:45 pm

    Anybody have that clip without audio, after court, jury gone, Nazi Grace in the courtroom and Bailiff tells Jodi she has to go, and Jodi calmly pours a cup of water and takes her time, slipping a notebook to her Bullshit Mitigation Specialist?

    • Janna
      05/07/2013 at 6:48 pm

      I can find it for you Bubble. It was posted to Youtube by Croakerqueen123.

    • Schaeffer
      05/07/2013 at 6:49 pm

      Jodi Arias Trial – Day 56 – After Court (No Sound) by croakerqueen

      • SCK
        05/07/2013 at 7:01 pm

        OMG!!! Did you see the smart ass face/remark she made to the Sheriff when he told her it was time to go???? Should have given her the shock belt treatment!

    • Janna
      05/07/2013 at 6:54 pm

      Jodi Arias Trial – Day 56 – After Court (No Sound)

  144. Kathy A.
    05/07/2013 at 6:47 pm

    I really dislike HLN’s “After Dark” because it’s pointless, but they keep showing clips of their mock juries during the verdict watch. The most recent debate was over whether there is reasonable doubt about the knife. Two of their “jurors” voted that yes, there is reasonable doubt. Because there is no knife. The prosecution can’t produce a knife. Well no f**king kidding. SHE GOT RID OF IT!! Really, there is reasonable doubt about the knife? How do they think he got all of those stab wounds? Paper cuts? What idiots! I hope there is no one on the actual jury who thinks like that – no gun found, no knife found, we have doubts. Shudder!

    • Dewey
      05/07/2013 at 6:51 pm

      again, what ever happened to logic and common sense??

    • ringadingding
      05/07/2013 at 6:58 pm

      I think they intentionally cast people for the jury to play the role of village idiot. They need to have something to debate and create uncertainty so that people will keep watching.

      • Kathy A.
        05/08/2013 at 4:18 am

        I’ve wondered that myself, because I don’t want to believe that people are seriously that stuck on stupid. I know there are dissenting opinions out there, but at least have an intelligent reason for your opinion. I expect one or two of those mock jurors to say “Well, I know she said she killed Travis, and there are pictures and her bloody palm print on the wall…but no one actually SAW her kill him, so I’ve got some doubts about whether she really did it.”

    • 05/07/2013 at 7:03 pm

      Good grief! She admitted there was a knife and Travis had almost 30 stab wounds and was practically decapitated. What exactly was their doubt? She said she shot him and in her fog vaguely remembers a knife. Do they think the stab wounds just occured from her shooting him. I’m sorry but those fake jurors must be a little short on brain function.

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 7:47 pm

      I can’t watch that show. You can’t take bits and pieces of a case and debate them. If the real jurors are like the ones on that show we’re in trouble!

  145. jad
    05/07/2013 at 6:47 pm

    So VERY, VERY GLAD to see you back aboard Tracey A. YOUR MIND WORKS SO WELL with that of Schaeffer’s. (Just exceptional — like that of Chrissie A and Syntara [or Robert in Rotterdam and Jim with Syntara]. And, there is a heartfelt prayer that Chrissie A get through her troubling times [that have nothing to do with Syntara, which her keen mind and generous spirit has probably already recognized] so she is back to her cheery self, contributing her part too — with the rest of ALL OF US, who want so much to assist in any way for the benefit of the entire Alexander family.) HOPE EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL WITH YOU. If so, and donchais has already helped you and Schaeffer in the exchange of e-mail addresses, maybe you two would want to put your minds together for another go-round on the route of that rental car in that week Jodi Arias had the use of it. Those routes would first include establishing the REAL itinerary for her journey to her planned kill (including the stopovers to see Matt McCartney and Darryl Brewer & son [and the possibility of GUS SEARCY in Santa Cruz and JOHN DIXON in San Diego]). In addition, there might have been stopovers in Hollister, where her half-sister lived, or in Santa Maria, where her mother said they lived before moving to Yreka [which would be the location where Jodi Arias grew pot with her buds, became a belligerent, and was first recognized by her parents as a hostile person with no regard for authority].

    Then again, there might NOT have been that need in Jodi Arias to visit former mates there because she might have used Gus Searcy’s motor home for the dye job [from dirty blonde to brunette], if the sku on that Wal-Mart receipt from Salinas really showed two boxes of hair coloring. (Although there is no explanation for the nails or Brazilian, [trying to fit into the schedule, to document the] finding of the time taken for these enhancements by a salon might be red herrings, as either one or both could have been done PRIOR to the rental of the vehicle.) Another leg of the route to examine would be that which she would have taken before she arrived [to visit Ryan Burns] in Utah, at between 10:00 and 11:00 before noon, June 5, 2008. There is a lot of undocumented time there (that she could have used to travel). The [third and] final route would be her drive back to Yreka, which again shows a lot of undocumented time (she could have used to travel), as she did not return the rental car until the afternoon of June 7, 2008. Exactly WHERE did she go on her journey, WHOM did she visit during her trip, WHY would others have to be involved, and exactly WHAT did they know about the killing, either before, during, or after are questions that have not been properly answered. It is thought that an examination of the routes taken could more clearly provide some missing information that could help to explain the matter.

    Schaeffer & Tracey A — If you are still interested in the careful [thought-out] steps that had to be taken and the exact route taken by Jodi Arias in that rental car, could you please reexamine two of the video recordings of the [July 2008] police interviews, more specifically the David Lohr You Tube sites of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gglhBzgDly8 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XN5fpDH2p4 In the second interview tape ([July 15, 2008], after Jodi Arias speaks of her fondness for “road trips and cruise controls”), she said she first journeyed to Santa Cruz. In the fourteenth David Lohr recording of the Police interviews ([July 16, 2008] where she mentioned speaking with John Dixon on the date of her travels, at the beginning, then continued to the point where Detective Flores began to tell her she had to make the story more believable), she said she had planned on going to Santa Cruz. The second time she mentioned Santa Cruz, she inserted Matt McCartney (although she failed to mention this when first questioned the day before, and not given up the fact that), she would have had knowledge that Gus Searcy was there (although she would have had this information from the lengthy and continuing string of communication they had). Someone brought Jodi Arias to the rental location, and that someone was described as male. So far, there has been no identity of this person. So, Gus Searcy’s role seems to be critical — but just how much of a participant he was has remained an unknown. [His ostensible “charmed” being is what he has tried to portray, but it appears to be more of a combination of the bad characteristics carried around by Jesse Grund and Ricardo Morales, who successfully diverted the attention of Law Enforcement in the investigation into the death of an innocent young child in the Casey Anthony case.]

    Gus Searcy spoke of his relationship with Jodi Arias (as the first witness) on the tenth day of Trial testimony, directly before the testimony provided by Darryl Brewer, that involved a description of an open and ongoing line of communication between them. To digress somewhat — Gus Searcy failed to mention what would be stated by Darryl Brewer [that came at the tail end of his sworn testimony, that same day as Gus Searcy’s testimony], which was that JODI ARIAS HAD CALLED HIM ON JUNE 4, 2008 with the story that she had run out of gas in the middle of the desert, and she had a funky recall — but was able to tell him that her friend was stabbed, and shot, and had been killed. [How did she know all that in her FOG?] Gus Searcy [had this same set of circumstances and had been given the same information as had Darryl Brewer, but] acted as though his knowledge was limited, wherein he did not provide this information [as Darryl Brewer would] during his testimony — although he would later admit to media sources he had this same information that had been told him by Jodi Arias in a phone call from somewhere in the desert (that turned into maybe she was already home in Northern California). Gus Searcy was released from the subpoena and previous Order that he could not participate in media interviews, during the morning hearing on the eighteenth day of Trial testimony (where Sky Hughes had to provide testimony, after Wurmi tried to prove a connection to his Motion to Dismiss the Case for Prosecutorial Misconduct).

    It was the next day (on a day before Valentine’s Day) on the HLN-TV cable channel, on a show hosted by Dr. Drew, that Gus Searcy repeated as his own those certain statements (that had been made by Darryl Brewer). During his brief on-air stint, he tried to take a swipe at Abe Abdelhadi [a very personable gentleman who had appeared with Dr. Drew, whose appearance had been copied to other shows], by portraying himself as a person not seeking the limelight. This description came the same day that the prosecutor had stated Gus Searcy had shown up in Court seeking the limelight since his presence was unnecessary [in the case broadcast on the cable networks and memorialized in snippets on You Tube], and Gus Searcy knew it. If the defense counsel had set up that particular day for an added emphasis for the picture painted of Mr. Alexander as a deviant on a Valentine’s Day in 2007 [because of the mention of the gifting of ‘spideys’ little boys underwear and a boy-cut undies along with a t-shirt with iron-on letters of possessiveness], it was a misstep, as the Judge was ill the next day, and the Jury would take a break of five days, due to President’s Day that Monday after the weekend. So, there was little to no advantage to a discussion of Wurmi’s Motion for Prosecutorial Misconduct or release of Gus Searcy to be unleashed upon anyone who would have him, since there was no cry-out that anyone was interested in anything that the defense witness, Gus Searcy, had to say about the matter or any matter pertaining to the case — except for one. The question he failed miserably in answering was “Since he knew of the death, why had he not told anyone at all that Mr. Alexander was dead?”.

    Gus Searcy told the audience in the Court of Public Opinion [what he had not divulged to a Jury in a Court of Law, that] Jodi Arias had called him (after she had slaughtered Mr. Alexander) to tell him that Mr. Alexander was dead. Later, he would tell other media sources that he decided to go to Cancun and not share this information with [anyone, including] other Pre-Paid Legal Associates attending the vacation spot because he felt they would find out anyway. From the activity of Gus Searcy and deliberate acts and actions taken to quash information about the manner and time of death of Mr. Alexander (while his body lay in a damp shower stall rotting, that was known would destroy any trace evidence that had remained on his body to identify the killer) and tinker with the timeline of events (together with the fact that he provided the Helio [that contained that phone-sex conversation and three images of erect penes] and gave her an in with the wireless carrier), he must be looked at more closely, when figuring out the routes and persons or entities that would have been visited or PERSONS WHO MIGHT HAVE ACCOMPANIED JODI ARIAS OR TRAVELED ALONG IN ANOTHER VEHICLE.

    In that [David Lohr] second recording, you will hear Jodi Arias seem to correct Detective Esteban Flores, when she admits to the fact she had first headed out to Santa Cruz at the start of her journey. This occurred when Jodi Arias interrupted the presentment of his line of thought, when she interjected “I went to Santa Cruz first”. She followed this with the information that “Then, I stayed the night in Monterey”, and “the next day, I drove to Pasadena”. She said she was waiting for Laura to call her back. [Laura Mahoney is the sister of Darryl Brewer.] As she started to explain the route she took, she declared, “I-I looked at a map, but I’m pretty sure I know where I went”. Shortly after, she seemed to forget that she could not admit to the use of a device to examine a map, when she said, “I looked at the MapQuest that I had — I had MapQuest a bunch of places that I was maybe getting near Death Valley”. She would instruct Detective Flores, “Well. I had somehow gotten off the 15 and got onto the 40. That is what happened”. He told her the only way to get on the 40 is by first crossing the bridge, to cross the Hoover Dam. Her reply was “I think I, think I got on the 40 in California”, and followed that statement (after asking about the 15) with “Well, like, ‘cause I had actually gotten. I actually began the drive at 10 west”. 10 west would be the route taken out of Mesa towards Palm Desert or Pasadena. It seems that the use of the 10 west would be when leaving the residence of Mr. Alexander on the second leg of her journey. It does not seem to be that which would have been part of her journey in the first leg of her trip (which would have been that route taken from wherever she was living at that time [when considering the conversation between Paul Stern and Dr. Drew, on February 6, 2013]) to the residence of Mr. Alexander.

    An excerpt of this part of the Police interview was played late in the afternoon of the sixth day of Trial testimony, when the Court admitted Exhibit # 356. That was the first time that the Jury heard Jodi Arias give her itinerary, in a clipped narrative (that seemed to have been slightly rehearsed [in possible preparation for any charge of her involvement leading to a Trial] even back then, on July 15, 2008). The excerpt ended with her statements that — she got on the 93 north, and got on the 15 that went through Las Vegas. She was heard on that recording telling the Detective she had honestly gotten lost, and it was bad timing. At that time, the prosecutor introduced another excerpt that was played. Exhibit # 357 was not about the route, but had lots of denials, one in particular was a statement she incredulously made, when she proclaimed in amazement “A .25 auto was used”. In the afternoon of the seventh day of Trial testimony, Detective Flores took the stand, and Exhibit # 358 (which was another excerpt of the Police Interview) was admitted, which had a little bit more information about the missing .25 caliber gun, supposedly stolen from her grandfather’s house. {{I believe it was}} Exhibit # 381 [that contained an excerpt of the July 16, 2008 Police Interview, that] brought up the fact she had talked to John Dixon because she thought she might go to San Diego. Besides being the home base of operations for John Dixon, San Diego is connected to two unusually inept expert witnesses used by her defense team [that chalk up expenses in a whole slew of cases, eating into the use of the taxpayers’ dollars for necessary social programs]. These San Diego based persons, used to strengthen the testimony of Jodi Arias that was known to hold many, many lies [and that are bought and paid for hired-guns that testify in other cases for like-suited criminals and psychopaths], were Alyce LaViolette and Robert Geffner. Additionally, Helio, Inc., the mobile virtual network operator for the Helio Ocean cell phone that had been supplied by Gus Searcy, is based in San Diego. Plus, there have been references sprinkled throughout the testimony that Jodi Arias would fly out of San Diego to visit Mr. Alexander in Mesa. What would make San Diego her home base in that instance? Should San Diego be included in any leg of her journey?

    • Schaeffer
      05/07/2013 at 11:00 pm

      jad — I replied to you @7:11, but I posted it completely out of order; if you look it up by by name and time, you will find it. It is my belief that WOBO acted completely alone in this crime. She has clearly demonstrated her willingness to throw anyone and everyone “under the bus” so if there was even the slightest chance she could blame this on someone else, she would have done so long ago. Five years have elapsed since the murder, and absolutely nothing has emerged either circumstantially or forensically to indicate the involvement of another party. While Darryl Brewer and Matt McCartney have displayed some lingering loyalty, and even a willingness to perhaps perjure themselves, when push came to shove, they both backed down. Juan made a believer out of Matt when he told him if he testified for EITHER side, he would charge him with perjury so fast his head would spin. Darryl was certainly a reluctant witness, but he did ultimately testify against her. It is important to remember, too, that with WOBO, there is NO gray area, only black and white, so they are now on her list of people who have wronged her, and that is a VERY dangerous place to be.

      I am not aware of her taking her laptop with her; I don’t remember it being referenced, and I do know she used Darryl’s home computer to check her MySpace account, and possible conduct some banking business. And again, as far as Gus Searcy, even though he tried to appear important, he would not risk his career for anything as heinous as a revenge murder committed by a psychotic ex-girlfriend; he is entirely too self-important to ever really be an involved or responsible party in something like this. He just wanted to be able to say “Oh, I knew that chick.”

    • Tracey A
      05/07/2013 at 11:46 pm

      jad – what incredibly kind words. Thank you so much for your thoughts and concerns. I’ve got to get with Schaeffer to address this further in depth and will go back to view the videos you speak of here. So give me a bit to delve into that.

      On a side note, you may have my situation confused with Chrissie A. I’ve been in touch with her off & on on Twitter and I am not aware of any troubles. Based on what I’ve seen of her on Twitter, specifically, her coming at me with her hilarious graphics out of nowhere her sense of humor is firmly in full swing. No surprise there!!

      Again, thanks for your very kind sentiments. Absolutely enjoy reading your posts.

  146. jad
    05/07/2013 at 6:56 pm

    In that fourteenth recording made by David Lohr, that is an excerpt of the Police interview of July 16, 2008], you will hear Jodi Arias say she had not planned on going to Travis’ house, and had planned to travel to Santa Cruz. She then corrected herself and said she had spoken to Matt who told her they were in Santa Cruz and to meet them there. Her voice dropped down and she started to run on endlessly. She talked about being around kids her age there, 20-somethings and 30-somethings. She said she had stayed with Matt McCartney in Monterey that night. She rambled on and said that when she woke up, she went to Darryl Brewer’s to visit him and his son. (Even though it was June 3, 2008, and the former wife was the primary custodial parent,) she said Darryl brought his son to school [and she had to return to give him something that her lying mouth called a remote control]. She said it was Tuesday the third and she had to drive to “L.A.” [to take baby pictures], but she had not yet heard back from [Darryl’s sister] Laura. Her recall of that time was that it wasn’t until she got there that she looked at her map. Initially, she said Utah was not on there, but she corrected herself in saying “I mean Arizona”.

    Jodi Arias knew she was not supposed to say what she did, and she tried to correct herself, by spouting off about another meaningless subject. She mentioned the maps she said she had printed. Of course, the question would arise about the use of these maps she said she had printed because she was not traveling on the course she said she had set. She had let it slip that the maps were from MAPQUEST, and she had acknowledged she brought her computer with her. If she had printed any maps [which is highly unlikely, but if she had], THOSE MAPS WOULD HAVE BEEN USELESS, if they were for the trip she had planned to travel to see Ryan Burns in Utah, after leaving Yreka. Thus, during her journey, she would have had to use her laptop, in order to look at sites on MAPQUEST for directions. In addition, her journals have notations that she used GOOGLE PHONE (through her g-mail account) to chat with Mr. Alexander. So, she basically did not have to have a phone with her [which could be traced through pings and give away her true location], as she could have used her laptop and one of her two numbers registered with her g-mail account [with GOOGLE Phone] to make a call. Additionally, [if she did not want the number recognized] she did not have to let the receiver (or anyone viewing the numbers called on the cell or a caller ID) recognize her number, as she could have spoofed another number through a site on her laptop. So, she could have made it appear her number, or Matt’s number, or Darryl’s number, or an unknown number [she made up] had made the call. The only way to check to see if the (phone with that) number had not made the call would be to examine the business phone records of all involved. That would be the only way to trace whether these phone numbers were connected to the actual carrier and registered owner of the cell used.

    The beginning of the afternoon of the seventh day of Trial testimony involved a discussion with a Mesa Detective about the Verizon account of Mr. Alexander. Exhibit # 365 was played for the Jury. This was the recording of the message Jodi Arias made when calling Mr. Alexander at 11:48 P.M., June 4, 2008, [she confessed she knew was] AFTER she had slaughtered the person she was calling. She had offered an explanation that she had not made any calls up to that time, when she supposedly found the charger for her phone packed under the passenger seat of her rental vehicle. However, she could have been calling whomever she wanted during her entire journey [sans phone], so long as she found a Wi-Fi area for use with her laptop. She could have made calls to others to meet her or called to explain a delay in meeting up at prearranged spots along the way. Gus Searcy comes to mind [although this would not relieve John Dixon or Matt McCartney of a look-over] as a person who should be questioned as to his whereabouts immediately before, during, and immediately after the murder of Mr. Alexander, because the Appointment Calendar of Gus Searcy makes him a number one accomplice, whether he was with her or assisting her in some fashion.

    A review of the Appointment Calendar of Gus Searcy for the first two weeks of June of 2008 shows he could have been in and around the residence of Mr. Alexander at strategic times. For your convenience, a fuller synopsis has been posted directly under this post. As you can see, Gus Searcy would have been in Santa Cruz, the exact same location where Jodi Arias had headed (on the first leg of her journey). Although, the Appointment Calendar shows him to be in that location on June 3, 2008 [when Jodi Arias was also there], he could have been in Santa Cruz on June 2, 2008 also (since his Calendar Book was open for that particular day). Jodi Arias would have been familiar with the comings and goings of Gus Searcy because she spoke with him often. Gus Searcy testified (at Trial) that their phone conversations could be two and three times per week [and even more]. In addition, Jodi Arias was well aware of the movements of Team Freedom (which supposedly did no benefit to her because she had signed under Chris Hughes’ team [although a familiarity with Herbalife, Amway, and other multi-level marketing companies, would give one an understanding that a person could benefit under another’s team with the provision of another tracking number, rather than one’s social]).

    You may or may not be aware that I believe the murder involved one or more accomplices. It could have been as small as a conspiracy where the accomplices were accessories after the fact or [as bad as] the same level of principal to the horrific crime. There were a couple of theories that were worked together with the evidence. Whatever the evidence shows (when reviewing the photos used to determine the cause and the manner of death), together with a consideration of ALL of the testimony, would be the ultimate theory postulated. The strangest thing about this case is the amount of troubled people involved. When Jodi Arias is considered, it is easy to see she is a psychopath. However, it is frustrating to figure the roles of Gus Searcy, Darryl Brewer, [John Dixon] and Matt McCartney because they have to interact with the psychopath and something makes them malleable [or else makes her the malleable one to their prodding]. To understand their psyches would so much easier reveal the roles they played. Without Syntara’s presence on this site, trying to figure out the behavior patterns would be so d*mn frustrating that giving up would probably be the more likely scenario [for most of us]. However, with Syntara and the interactions of ALL of those involved at this site, (as well as the complete match of all of the evidence), the TRUTH should be able to be revealed.

    Please take a look at the travels after the crime (as well as before, when Jodi Arias visited Matt McCartney and Darryl Brewer [and possibly John Dixon, and the evidence again points to Gus Searcy]). Match the itinerary to the time taken, and you will discover another need to surmise her activity. Additionally, if you could discover whether Jodi Arias returned to work at Casa Ramos on Friday [as she has stated] or on Saturday, that will give you another jumping off spot. So, there are four separate areas [if considering that illogical Friday overnight keeping of the car in Yreka so she could work that evening] where the times do not really fit the journey as she had relayed. If all of us on this site shared [without fear of annoying a troll or being disparaged by a close-minded person], we could throw our theories into the ring and go over them (to toss out what does not belong and add what fits the evidence packet). In this manner, we could solve some perplexing issues (which might have to be done anyway, if there is a hung Jury). As you may know, I believe there was a financial motive, and it is my opinion that solving the crime would open up so much more information that would benefit the family (whether by civil litigation to take back what was their brother’s and therefore that which rightfully belonged to them or to assist in ferreting out others involved in the criminal acts). To me, justice means to remedy that which was wrong (to correct the ENTIRETY). Not one of these deviants and criminals should have benefited in any way from the death, and EVERYTHING THAT WAS DONE MUST BE EXPOSED.

    IF certain information can be worked out, based on the timeframe we know, it is my belief that that information could then be given to the proper authorities so that [the complete form of] JUSTICE is done. Thus, we should post our theories, so that all of us can try to pick them apart (if you wouldn’t mind) in order that we can mix whatever one has with whatever another has [and others might want to contribute what they see or sense]. This is not something that most accept, because of the belief that there was only one assailant, and my theory tends to reveal one or more involved in the crime, although it is somewhat possible [according to my theory] that only one may have been the actual participant (or principal). Now that the defense and State are done presenting their case (and closing arguments have closed, Jury Instructions read, the Foreperson selected, and deliberations ongoing), we can openly discuss whether it was one or more persons. I hope you don’t mind me bouncing some things around for your assistance. You know the area, and you know the routes. You can tell when someone has gone astray when applying the testimony because you have listened to all of the testimony and have even gone back (plus listened to everyone of those police interview tapes). Your help would be appreciated.

    • jad
      05/07/2013 at 6:58 pm

      Gus Searcy’s Appointment Calendar Entries for June of 2008

      On Sunday, June 1, 2008, Gus Searcy participated in a Conference Call with Team Freedom, between 6:45 P.M. – 7:30 P.M., which was followed up with another [Core Call] Conference Call between 7:30 P.M. – 8:30 P.M. This was on a day that he had a WEDDING to tend to for “Liz”, between 1:00 P.M. – 3:00 P.M., which seemed to be set for Yorba Linda, since his calendar has been penned in for that location from 7:00 A.M. – 7:00 P.M. [There was no notation on the Calendar for Gus Searcy, to show the name of the wedding photographer.]

      Gus Searcy’s calendar for June of 2008 shows that he had nothing scheduled for Monday, June 2, 2008, and it was notated that he would be out of town all day.

      Gus Searcy’s calendar for June of 2008 shows that he had a speaking engagement in Santa Cruz on Tuesday, June 3, 2008 between 7:30 – 9:30 P.M.

      Gus Searcy’s calendar for June of 2008 shows that he had nothing scheduled for (the day of the slaughter of Travis Alexander) Wednesday, June 4, 2008, and it was notated that he would be out of town in the daytime (from 7:30 A.M. – 5:00 P.M.); and, participating in a Team Freedom Conference Call (with the deceased Travis Alexander and others) from 6:45 P.M. – 7:30 P.M., followed by a Yorba Linda business briefing between 7:30 P.M. – 8:30 P.M.

      Gus Searcy’s calendar for June of 2008 shows that he had a speaking engagement in Yorba Linda on Thursday, June 5, 2008 between 10:00 – 11:00 A.M.

      Gus Searcy’s calendar for June of 2008 shows that he had several speaking engagements on Friday, June 6, 2008, which were in Irvine between 8:00 A.M. – 9:00 A.M., Chino Hills between 10:00 A.M. – 10:45 A.M., Corona between 11:15 A.M. – 12:30 P.M., and Los Angeles between 6:00 P.M. – 9:00 P.M. [PST]

      Gus Searcy’s calendar for June of 2008 shows that he had not much scheduled for Saturday, June 7, 2008, and it was notated that he would be spending the day with the kids from 10:00 A.M. to 7:00 P.M., PST, with some sort of meeting at L.A. 90021 between 8:00 P.M. – 9:00 P.M.

      Travis Alexander had been slated to go to Cancun for an all expenses paid trip, as a reward for his service to Pre-Paid Legal, where he was an Executive Director. Another Executive Director was Gus Searcy, who had already identified himself on his appointment calendar (on the date of June 4, 2008) as a one hundred thousand dollar ring earner. Gus Searcy had scheduled appearances for a Cancun Leadership Summit, starting on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 and extending to Saturday, June 14, 2008, with the times for all of those days identified as 7:00 A.M. – 11:00 P.M.. For whatever the reason might be, Gus Searcy had scheduling conflicts on his calendar for three of those days. On the date of Tuesday, June 10, 2008, Gus Searcy had penned in Yorba Linda, between 9:30 A.M. – 11:45 P.M. and La Habra, between 11:00 A.M. – 1:30 P.M.. On the date of Wednesday, June 11, 2008, Gus Searcy had penned in Yorba Linda business briefing between 7:30 P.M. – 8:30 P.M. and a Team Freedom Conference Call from 6:45 P.M. – 7:30 P.M.. Strangely, the two times and locations for the business briefing and the Conference Call are identical to that of the previous Wednesday, June 4, 2008 (the date of the murder of Travis Alexander). [The main difference on those two separate Wednesdays was the Cancun trip as opposed to a day off out of town without any explanation of where he had gone.] On the date of Saturday, June 14, 2008, when his Calendar showed he would be in Cancun from 7:00 A.M. to 11:00 P.M., he had strangely penned in a day with kids from 10:00 A.M. to 7:00 P.M., PST.

      • Ginger
        05/07/2013 at 9:48 pm

        Very interesting I always wonder where was she driving after the killing she is all over the place I honestly think Gus was in on a blackmail deal with Wobo being he had the phone I also believe Matt is involved big time.

    • 05/07/2013 at 10:57 pm

      Gus Searcy has a lot that needs explaining. I don’t know if he is a liar to further his lust for attention, or to cover fpr Jodi. I think it’s the former with perhaps a smattering of the latter.

      I would not believe that phone call [he claimed to have received in the hours after Travis’ murder] existed were it not for him strangely adding in the interview “the phone records” show it.

      The addition of that comment while on one had saying “see it did happen”, on the other screams set up. With his insatiable need for attention I can’t see him not going to the police when he had information that Travis was dead. Why didn’t he? Why wouldn’t he? He should have been the first to call… agog that he had the breaking news and would be the centre of attention because he would have been responsible for alerting the world to Travis’ death. It does not fit!!

      As far as I understand it was he that had that arranged conference call with Travis the evening of the 4th June, 2008. He would have known it was out of character for Travis not to have been available for a pre-arranged phone meeting.

      None of any of Searcy’s claims and testimony makes sense when dissected.

      As you know jad, I have my suspicions about complicit or duplicit actions by both MM and Searcy though MM has had the sense to keep out of these proceedings, Searcy has stuck his sleazy head in at every opportunity, real or imagined.

      There is something to see here and perhaps it will be Searcy’s ego that will eventually lead us to it.

  147. 05/07/2013 at 6:58 pm

    Saw the clip. Thanks. I think I’m gonna take a break for awhile, some levity, something totally different, maybe watch a movie…Fatal Attraction?

    • ringadingding
      05/07/2013 at 7:01 pm

      LOL.

      • Lisa M
        05/07/2013 at 7:05 pm

        Oh no Jenkasaurus saying that a juror or two looking defiant. She is such a buzz kill!

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 7:06 pm

      Might as well! We need distractions!

  148. 05/07/2013 at 7:04 pm

    Anybody have the link to the Hughes podcast from the other night? I missed it. Thought I’d catch up now. Heads up ya’ll, Jenkasaurus just reported that the jury is deliberating right now!

  149. CC ...
    05/07/2013 at 7:06 pm

    HJ, can you believe I forgot to get kit kats when I stopped (briefly) at a Walgreens on the way home? However, I am happy to report I just peeked inside my wine cooler and there is plenty of vino there. Phew! Feel free to come over with some kit kats and we can while away the hours with glass in hand and chocolate at the ready whilst watching that trashy channel.
    🙂

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 7:19 pm

      CC Sounds GRAND! But only if you use words like “succubus”! Gees, I thought only WOBO knew big words like that, even though she did have to buy a Thesaurus from the commissary! Just teasing …. you had something else great the other day …. I will have to go look. 😄

      • CC ...
        05/07/2013 at 7:25 pm

        I believe it was Lisa explaining “adjustment” to someone and used “hoochie hole” …. It seemed too benign to me and thought it seemed more like a cavernous entrance to evil. 🙂

      • HJ Madison
        05/07/2013 at 8:34 pm

        CC — no, it was better than that …. I will find it. See you later!

  150. Schaeffer
    05/07/2013 at 7:11 pm

    jad — just off the top of my head . . . Gus Searcy had NOTHING to do with any of this debacle. He tried desperately to appear relevant, but to no avail. He said The WOBO called him on the 4th, but no phone records established that ever happened. As far as the WalMart receipt, it was not hair dye, it was Neutrogena facial moisturizer with sunscreen. The person who took her to the car rental place in Redding was either her brother-in-law or brother-in-law to be (she couldn’t remember which). I am convinced she didn’t meet up with anyone other than Matt and Darryl on her trip. Her cover story for going so far into southern CA was to take photos of Darryl’s sister’s newborn child, but the sister had no idea she was coming, nor did she actually show up. I am comfortable the unaccounted for time on the 3rd was getting her hair colored, and maybe the Brazilian and her nails, but she never produced a receipt for any salon services, period. Juan produced photos of her hair on the 3rd, so that is indisputable. As far as the time elapsed between Mesa and Utah, I think she probably slept in her car at a rest stop or other well-lit area. As far as the route she described to Flores, it made no sense to him, and he was sitting there with a map, so Tracey & I pretty much blew it off. The reconstruction we did of her trip was based solely on details like gas and food receipts, phone calls, etc. We put very little stock in anything she had to say.

    This is what I can answer without printing out your entire questionnaire and going through it step by step. Thanks for your kind words.

  151. 05/07/2013 at 7:14 pm

    The stress is killing me, I’m gonna put on a good comedy to take my mind off things, maybe Apocalypse Now…

    • kristin
      05/07/2013 at 7:19 pm

      Step brothers since its already been mentioned lol

  152. 05/07/2013 at 7:21 pm

    The tweets are a modern age monstrosity, but remember OJ put out a book during the trial where he claimed to answer questions from stupid ass writers on his side.

    • Janna
      05/07/2013 at 7:29 pm

      Skankstein is sitting in a holding cell with no cameras or attention whatsoever. Surely the Tweets are her attention seeking maneuvers to keep attention on her royal 3-hole wonderments. Heaven forbid that she would disappear from the limelight!

      I’m disgusted and outraged by the Tweets too but Sherriff Joe said there’s nothing he can do about it because Arias has not been found guilty of a crime.

  153. NancyB
    05/07/2013 at 7:21 pm

    “I want someone to love me for the Gold that is with in me and is willing to dig with me to extract it. I heard someone once say, “Speak to the king within the man and within the man the king will appear.” ~ Travis Victor Alexander

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 7:23 pm

      Sweet.

  154. HJ Madison
    05/07/2013 at 7:24 pm

    Nancy — see my post upstairs, now 465?

    • NancyB
      05/07/2013 at 9:03 pm

      Yes HJ! You made some points that I’m still thinking about – with respect to having to deal with your own WOBO while still maintaining your personal boundaries.

  155. Katie
    05/07/2013 at 7:29 pm

    An someone explain how a juror could be ousted and replaced by an alternate?

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 7:31 pm

      I just heard that too?? I wonder if it was that one juror just could not decide at all. Interesting. How long was that jury out? Heather Miller … hmmmm.

      • HJ Madison
        05/07/2013 at 7:33 pm

        Katie: Gosh, I made a huge leap you were watching HLN. If not, just ignore that!

      • Katie
        05/07/2013 at 7:53 pm

        Haha ur spot on, I was watching the same thing 🙂

    • CC ...
      05/07/2013 at 7:32 pm

      Great question … I’d like to know, too!

      • HJ Madison
        05/07/2013 at 7:35 pm

        I thought JVM said she was going to explain … I just CAN NOT take her!

    • Schaeffer
      05/07/2013 at 8:10 pm

      It has happened that a juror simply refuses to deliberate and is removed by the judge. Refusing to deliberate is not the same as not agreeing with the other jurors or being a hold-out voter; it means they refuse to participate in discussions or listen to any other point of view, usually because they made their mind up long before deliberations ever began. A juror can also be removed if they refuse to apply the law as instructed, or for bringing outside evidence in to the deliberations. For example, Syntara asked about the possibility of a map being used to trace WOBO’s travels. If the jury draws a map as part of deliberations or asks the court to provide a map, that’s fine, but if a juror would print a map using google maps at home and bring it in, that would not be allowed. If a juror showed up impaired, say due to drugs or alcohol, or fell asleep during deliberations, they would be replaced. These are just a few examples, certainly not an inclusive list. If a juror is removed during deliberations, an alternate is brought in and the entire process has to start from the beginning. It is a VERY big deal to excuse a juror at this stage, not taken lightly.

      • HJ Madison
        05/07/2013 at 8:15 pm

        Thank you! I was just going off to see what I could find about that juror who was replaced in the Heather Miller case (according to another juror interviewed on everyone’s favorite HLN, I say sarcastically!)

      • 05/07/2013 at 11:15 pm

        great answer Schaeffer! Thanks. If this is you not thinking clearly.. I say more of it! 😀

    • Schaeffer
      05/07/2013 at 8:13 pm

      I answered you, but it was posted WAY out of order, somewhere way upstairs. I’m going to take a break since I appear to be thinking less than clearly, Sorry.

      • Schaeffer
        05/07/2013 at 8:16 pm

        Please ignore previous post (@8:13). I have apparently lost either my mind or the ability to read.

      • Katie
        05/07/2013 at 8:16 pm

        I got it!! 🙂 thank you so much 🙂

      • HJ Madison
        05/07/2013 at 8:22 pm

        I think things are just getting bogged down now. Ready for a sandbox sweep. Soon I am sure ☺

    • NancyB
      05/07/2013 at 9:01 pm

      During the Scott Peterson trial during deliberations the jury foreman was stuck on not guilty and the other 11 were solidly with murder in the 1st, so the jurors complained to the judge that the foreman was obstructing their process and he was replaced with an alternate and they had to start all over but soon had their verdict.

      • 05/07/2013 at 9:55 pm

        Ohhhh, hence the 7 days. Ok that makes sense.

    • Crystal Harris
      05/08/2013 at 12:26 am

      If they get sick or are caught doing “juror misconduct”. A juror would not get kicked off just because they didn’t agree with the others. I heard a case recently where there was a jury where there was a juror who basically had her mind made up and refused to deliberate with the others. It was 11-1. In this case, I believe the judge did replace the juror, cuz the juror wasn’t doing their job. But the mere fact that a juror disagrees with the others will be allowed to stand if the juror is doing their due diligence.

  156. ringadingding
    05/07/2013 at 7:46 pm

    Lisa M :
    Oh no Jenkasaurus saying that a juror or two looking defiant. She is such a buzz kill!

    Hmmmm…maybe it was a look of 50% disgust 40% mockery and 10% defiance as they spotted the HLN stadium/colosseum set up in front of the courthouse?

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 8:00 pm

      You’re probably right, ring! Jean forgot to mention that the juror looked defiant as she chased her to the elevator with a barrage of questions!

      • 05/07/2013 at 11:17 pm

        lol!!!

    • WhereIsSHE
      05/07/2013 at 10:52 pm

      ringading, you are ON FIRE!!

      please keep the anti-HLN comments coming, y’all!
      the levity it brings to bear on what seems, at times, to be an intolerable waiting period, is PRICELESS=)

      And in the meantime… Juan is just chillin’… hanging out….
      No one can guess what the jurors are up to, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
      HLN is just a big, ole media whore, flashing it’s worn out fishnets, chipped nail polish, and warbly high heels to anyone who happens to be “cruising” for their particular brand of trashy goods.

      On the other hand… they somehow managed to get Joey Jackson to comment on this case. Go figure!

  157. MMD
    05/07/2013 at 7:47 pm

    Jurors have left the building. No time yet for when they will start tomorrow. 😦

  158. HJ Madison
    05/07/2013 at 7:48 pm

    I love Beth Karas! She is so great — she says …. the delay means nothing and she saw nothing in the jurors faces as they left tonight. She does not have tomorrow’s start time yet. There you go!

    • SCK
      05/07/2013 at 8:07 pm

      Will never understand why HLN is letting her go and keeping those JVM and NG — the biggest loudmouths EVER! Had to turn NG off yesterday – couldn’t take it! I hope a reputable news station hires Beth and shows them all what they are missing.

      • HJ Madison
        05/07/2013 at 8:20 pm

        I am just hoping that maybe someone, somewhere, is going back to the original CourtTV format and hiring Beth (in my dreams!!!). On the other hand, Beth has done this for such a long time …l maybe she is ready for a change. Our loss, for sure! But Jenkasaurus just got real snippy with NG … that was nice! I have to change the channel!

    • Jay
      05/07/2013 at 9:45 pm

      Aside from rumors and Katie Wick’s page asking to protest BKs departure, I haven’t been able to find confirmation she’s leaving HLN – I tried numerous googles in various combinations, and nothing came up.

      Did you see anything confirming it elsewhere?

      • Moon
        05/07/2013 at 11:42 pm

        She said it herself on one of the HLN shows a few nights ago. She said this was her last case working for HLN and she is not sure what she is going to in the future. IMO, I don’t think Jean C thinks too highly of BK, there seems to be animosity there. and I also think HLN is making a huge mistake letting BK go.

  159. Family of Law
    05/07/2013 at 7:49 pm

    NancyB :
    Hi FOL – I mean, he WENT! In my book that’s a sweetheart, no? Please keep us updated with Mama’s progress! Won’t Soldier (Sweet) Boy be surprised? Where is she birthing? Is it in the same barn with him?

    Hi 🙂 I just came up from the barn, no kittens (or verdict) yet… Those nervous nellies put me on premature high alert, not realizing that her early signs of labor can go on for several hours. She is agitated, licking and panting, so it won’t be much longer 🙂 Nancy, she is “Sweet Boy’s” constant companion- It’s a testimate to how special he is, given that she wants nothing to do with the other horses! She showed up here about 2 weeks ago, and her favorite napping spot was his stall 🙂 I have now moved her into the tack room- because I can keep her safe and contained (we have coyotes and fox lurking around here). Hubby is a sweetheart, and he will be reminding me of this often, after today!

  160. Kathy A.
    05/07/2013 at 7:55 pm

    HJ Madison :
    Hey Nancy and others … I know you understand when I say I, in no way, condone that ugly behavior in the courtroom. I hear you loud and clear …. one thing to undertand is how very vicious your personal WOBO can be. To be kind to the Alexander’s, even in your heart, leaves you wide open to unbelievable excoriation by your personal WOBO. Even the slightest hint! They still must handle WOBO. Plus, in feeling sorry for TA’s family you some how are negating the belief that she only did it in self-defense. They are desperate to believe this happened just as she claimed.

    HJ,

    Thanks – that explains a lot. I’ve wondered why JA’s family acts like they are almost insulted that Travis’s family is angry at Jodi (I’m sure angry doesn’t begin to describe it) – kind of like “how dare you want to see her convicted!” No sympathy or empathy for the Alexanders whatsoever.

  161. Kristi
    05/07/2013 at 8:15 pm

    Aagghh! Another day! Bombshell tonight, breaking news: the law of attraction doesn’t work. This morning I wrote that the Jury would reach a verdict today. It didn’t happen. I’m trying to work but checking every few minutes all day to see if there is news. I scheduled an appointment with someone named Mimi, last name was a name that ended in two Ls but I wrote Mimi Hall on my calendar. I’m thinking about this almost constantly. I think I’m not okay.

    • SCK
      05/07/2013 at 8:23 pm

      Me either…..Husband is extremely concerned! 🙂

      • Kristi
        05/07/2013 at 9:00 pm

        🙂

    • 05/07/2013 at 8:41 pm

      I am diagnosing you with PTSD. No, I’m not a medical doctor but I do play one on the internet. 😉

      • Kristi
        05/07/2013 at 9:01 pm

        Thanks! That’s awesome so now I have a get out of jail free card right.

  162. Dewey
    05/07/2013 at 8:23 pm

    Nancy Grace just said no jury verdict yet, “and from what we understand, they’re not even close”. She has no idea how close they are! I’m done watching this crap.

    • HJ Madison
      05/07/2013 at 8:29 pm

      Me too! Except I liked it when Jenkasaurus just got snippy with NG. I think Bubble had it correct — we should have gone to a movie long ago. (Except I think I heard Dr. Drew has Deanna the good-girlfriend tonight (or tomorrow?)).

      • ringadingding
        05/07/2013 at 8:34 pm

        Oh good. Thanks for the heads up on that, HJ.

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 8:44 pm

      HLN should be called TSC the speculation channel. That’s how they earn their money. And we all get dragged along for the ride.

      • Kathy A.
        05/08/2013 at 4:31 am

        When Dr. DeMarte was on the stand, Nancy Grace had a mini-headline streaming across the screen “Prosecution expert and defense attorney in screaming match! Sparks fly!” or something pretty close to that. I don’t remember Dr. DeMarte ever raising her voice, even though Jennifer Willnotwin certainly deserved it. What a hack!

  163. HJ Madison
    05/07/2013 at 8:31 pm

    See you later all ~~~ ☺

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 9:03 pm

      See u HJ

  164. NancyB
    05/07/2013 at 8:43 pm

    Another letter from Sandy Arias – this one to Judge Stephens

    https://twitter.com/stark3923/status/331644720524701696/photo/1

    • Jill
      05/07/2013 at 8:47 pm

      Omg….her and her daughter think they can write letters to get whatever they want…the sad thing is, I think their requests were all granted…

    • Kristi
      05/07/2013 at 9:05 pm

      The nerve of that woman to say she knows how the Alexander’s will feel……I felt pity for those parents in the interrogation videos but no more. The entire family is evil and rotten to the core.

    • 05/07/2013 at 9:10 pm

      First of all the manipulating apple doesn’t fall far from the manipulation tree! Second, I find it interesting that JA mother referred to TA as ‘the victim’. Especially since the skank tried to file a motion to stop the state from referring to Travis as the victim!!!!

  165. Jill
    05/07/2013 at 8:44 pm

    Can’t stand hearing HLN defense attorney guest saying he thinks it will b 2nd degree murder. …he’s worrying me…this is eating us all up inside…..poor alexanders!

  166. 05/07/2013 at 8:46 pm

    yes2wine :
    A parent can’t abandon their children. Look at the Anthony’s. Cindy Anthony perjured herself for her daughter. George was being accused of abuse on Casey & of disposing of Caylee’s body. Yet they were there every day. I don’t feel like Jodi’s mom’s conduct has been appropriate at all times but seriously how do you conduct yourself if your child has been charged with such a horrible crime? Hard road to walk down & wouldn’t want to be in their shoes for nothing!

    Excuse us but we have to speak up as parents and grandparents…and we do not mean to ruffle anyone’s feathers since you are all entitled to a voice and opinion. We have said this before and were told we were “rediculous” but anyway, please do not speak for all parents and what they would or are supposed to do if they found one of their children in a mess such as this and they are obviously guilty of butchering another human being. There are no rules for parents. We have talked about this many times in our group and we are set in our minds that we WOULD NOT SUPPORT OUR CHILDREN IF THEY WERE GUILTY OF THIS HEINOUS CRIME! We also would not show up in court to show any support! Our own grown children agree with us and have said themselves that they would not want us there to see and hear what they did. If a parent chooses to be there, then that is their choice but it is not reflective of ALL parents. And if you decide to be there, then show respect for the grieving family.

    Our apologies in advance if we offended anyone but that’s how we feel and we do not speak for all parents. Thnx!

    • Jill
      05/07/2013 at 8:54 pm

      I feel the same. People seem to always say family is family no matter what, however, if my daughter brutally slayed someone, I would NOT support her. I would b apologizing to no end to the family, and asking for her to b sent to a mental institution for life. Anyone who does this crime is very sick in the head and can’t ever b back out in society.

    • 05/07/2013 at 9:37 pm

      I guess none of us truly know unless we have walked in their shoes. Twice you warned me about speaking for all parents. I, like you, was just expressing my view, was NOT trying to speak for all parents. Apparently, its your feathers that were ruffled, which I apologize for. But please don’t lash out at me because my opinion differs. And yes, I believe family is forever. And as a mother of 4, speaking only for myself, I could never turn my back on them.

    • 05/07/2013 at 9:57 pm

      I was wondering where you were upstairs… We(I) could have used some Hen Humor today. After reading your profile of the Circle I was wishing I too flew beneath your wings. You are so fortunate to have each other as friends and supporters for so long. I really do envy your connection yet makes me incredibly happy.

      • 05/07/2013 at 10:17 pm

        This was meant for Cici’s Circle..

    • 05/07/2013 at 11:29 pm

      CC’s C my learned ones. Let me just say… I believe if someone ruffled your feathers there would not be any doubt any anyone’s mind. Can your feathers actually be all ruffled at the same time without at least one of you stepping in and calming the fracas? I’d doubt it!

      That’s what I admire about you lot the most.. I get the impression there can be discord with open discussion about anything and everything! A rare and admirable trait you all seem to possess! I wish I was nearer to you lot.. I’m younger than the youngest in your group, but I’d age myself just to join if it was necessary!! 😀

    • kristin
      05/08/2013 at 1:23 am

      Ya! What CiCi’s Circle just said!

  167. 05/07/2013 at 9:38 pm

    <——- For HJ

    It is going to be a loooooooong night. 🙂

  168. 05/07/2013 at 9:42 pm

    I love my daughters so much. If one of them did something as horrific as this I don’t know how I would react. They are both so giving and loving. I understand JA’s parents don’t see her that way. I just love my kids and their values so much I can’t imagine them ever doing something like this.. And if they did, I would need a lot of therapy to understand . I don’t known ow I would react. I would abhor the fact she had done this while trying desperately to understand why or how. Until I am in this situation I don’t know if I would be there to support her. It’s mind boggling to me. Most likely because I am s,o proud of who they are at 29 and 31. It’s way beyond my comprehension and the loved I have for them. I’m really tired and the the drink hit. I hope you understand what I’m trying to say
    Jodi’s parents seem to have been absentee parents with no connection two their daughter. I don’t believe they are there out of benevolence. I think they are the to profit. I would never want or profit from my child’s savagery. This is far beyond my comprehension. And I thank g-d for that.

    • 05/07/2013 at 11:45 pm

      Deco Jodi had major issues from early on. As her father said after the age of 14 she simply took to lying. Noone becomes like that overnight .. no-one can callously slit someone throat then call them back and invite them to Othello knowing they are rotting in the shower.

      If your kids are showing no signs of this kind of behaviour, saving some serious reaction to some kind of psychotropic drug or similar chemical dysfunction… it won’t be happening.

    • Kathy A.
      05/08/2013 at 4:45 am

      Standing behind and supporting your children is one thing. I think it’s their odd behavior – i.e. laughing when the crime scene photos are being shown, giggling away all the while knowing the Alexander family is right there, or even yukking it up in the first place when your child is facing the death penalty – that gets to many of us. At least I know it does to me. When my husband was killed, I attended all of the court proceedings until a plea agreement was reached. During the pre-trial hearing, the defendant and one of the attorney’s assistants started cracking jokes and laughing while the attorneys were up talking to the judge and I lost my temper. Told them I was really glad they were enjoying themselves because I didn’t find one damn thing funny about my husband’s murder. They shut up but I got admonished by the judge…and so did they, and that wasn’t even in the presence of a jury. I don’t understand why this judge has not included them in her warning for spectators not to show emotion or they would be ejected.

      Again, whether to support your kids no matter what or not to is a personal choice someone has to make when they are unfortunately faced with such a situation, but you don’t make a mockery of the victim’s pain.

  169. 05/07/2013 at 9:46 pm

    Schaeffer :
    Thank you. In many of the photographs of Travis, they are visible peeking out from under his shorts. Also, he had a clothing company which specialized in “modesty for the ladies” as he described it. If someone loses their temple recommend, do they have to stop wearing the garments? Speaking purely as an outsider, it would seem continuing to wear them would serve as a reminder of the church’s teachings, as opposed to not wearing them. On the other hand, it might be more meaningful to be allowed to wear them after having lost that privilege for a period of time.

    Your right schaeffer, Travis would not be ordered to discontinue wearing his garments. It would be his choice to do so during the time that he had lost his temple recommend.

  170. Kristi
    05/07/2013 at 10:49 pm

    I’m watching Dr. Drew’s interview with Deanna Reid. What a special, lovely, honorable woman Deanna is!

    • NancyB
      05/08/2013 at 12:06 am

      So true and the pics of her & Travis were beautiful! She is a stand-out person.

  171. 05/07/2013 at 11:08 pm

    Does anyone know or remember the calls made to and from Jodi and Travis on her way to AZ? I know there were like 11 calls to him. Then a few to her. My question and confusion is this; were there phone calls that showed they spoke for a long enough time that Travis would have had time to beg her to come and see him? Or was there only like quick minute calls? These calls were made before AZ right? There’s no way he begged her! No way!

    Another thing- Jodi would not have told him she was coming. If she had t told him there would have been a great chance Travis would have mentioned it to a roommate or another friend on the phone (saying the stalker is coming over) or whoever. That would have been the dead give away!

    Deanna on Dr. Drew was wonderful. I feel so bad for her. They seemed to genuinely care for each other. I LOVED how Travis left Napoleon to Deanna. When she said that on the stand, i bet that killed Jodi inside. Yay! Good. Feel the pain.

    • Schaeffer
      05/08/2013 at 12:40 am

      Bailey — Tracey A and I worked on a timeline, and if memory serves, all the calls WOBO made to Travis lasted between 17 seconds and less than 2 1/2 minutes. This was not enough time for a conversation, especially the one she said they had. If you have questions about the timeline, I can go back and figure out where it is. Otherwise, this will hopefully answer your question.

      • Tracey A
        05/08/2013 at 1:16 am

        Girl! We can work on this as a team. Tomorrow, likely, I send you the last thing I posted on the PCH theory. I know we have some minor discrepancies but think we can it out or agree to disagree :D. I’ll email that to you on the ‘morrow. Getting ready to fade here at some point. It’s been so long since I’ve tried to keep up in this forum that I feel like a beginner. Still hanging in for now.

  172. Tracey A
    05/07/2013 at 11:23 pm

    Evening all! Just thought I’d jump in and make an attempt at catching up on today’s posts. And thanks to all for your kind thoughts and concerns but especially want to shout out to NancyB, Syn, FoL, Robert, Donchais, MMD, Janeto, Schaeffer and jad. My sincerest apologies to anyone I may have left out.Things are better now and finally getting some much needed rest.

    • 05/07/2013 at 11:36 pm

      Trace do sincerely hope you are getting through whatever it is you are being dealt. Would love to see you back and firing on all cylinders real soon your humour and wit are sincerely missed.

      • Tracey A
        05/07/2013 at 11:48 pm

        Thanks Syn. Making my first attempt at doing so. Glad to finally be back! 😀

      • NancyB
        05/08/2013 at 12:08 am

        Hi Tracey!!!! You’ve been missed around the sandbox. (((((hugs)))))

    • 05/07/2013 at 11:53 pm

      jad’s post is a doozy! Thing I thought was strange is the duplicate days on Searcy’s calendar.. and the unaccounted for whole day of 4 June 2008 bar the coincidental duplicated entries. All very interesting.. and things that make you go “hmmmmm”

      • Tracey A
        05/08/2013 at 12:37 am

        I need to digest some of this stuff from jad . Gonna have to have the BF print this out for me so I can get with Schaeffer and analyze this further.

      • 05/08/2013 at 12:40 am

        yeah thats what I did when jad asked me some stuff.. I saved it to text and then trfed it to my imac and went through it in point form.. made it a heap easier.. so feeling where you are coming from on that. But I have to say this.. it was well worth doing because it then made it clear and I realised what jad had pointed me to was VERY significant.

    • Family of Law
      05/08/2013 at 1:09 am

      I just stopped by to do a quick looksie, and look who I found! Tracey!!!!! You have been missed my dear! I am glad things are looking better, been worried about you…

      • Tracey A
        05/08/2013 at 1:56 am

        Thanks so much FoL. I acknowledged you down below for your very kind thoughts. I saw earlier that you are waiting for some new grand’Kits’ but how is Soldier Boy???? I’ve been thinking of him for days now.

        Many years ago, I took equestrian riding lessons. Can say I wasn’t very good at it but I had a ball! My favorite part was mucking out the stalls after the lessons. That’s how those of us, less fortunate back then, got to pay for our lessons. I could’ve stayed with those horses all day and everyday.

        And I will never forget the smell of saddle soap. Best shit on the planet as far as I’m concerned. Cleaning tack was so tedious but that smell carried me thorough! Luvved every single second.

        The BF and I are regulars at Santa Anita racetrack here in SoCal. There is not a race that goes by that I don’t get teary eyed. To watch those thoroughbreds run is the most amazing thing EVER! Recently enjoyed watching the Kentucky Derby and ORB making it an incredible race. We watch the jockey, Joel Rosario, here at Santa Anita a lot.

        Please give Soldier Boy a much deserved kiss on the nose for me and the best carrot in the lot. {{{hugs to you FoL}}}!!! 🙂

  173. 05/07/2013 at 11:28 pm

    This is a piece of an article from the jodi is innocent website. I swear to god my blood is boiling!!! So mad at myself for clicking this link. I hate these sick, sick, cold, cluless people. people. Anyway, heres a piece:

    I found it amusing that the guy running the other site thought TA would make a good President. Not too sure whether he meant President of the United States, or President of the local Pedophiles & Abusers Association… maybe he meant both? Maybe that’s why they cut him off mid sentence every time he was talking?
    With those comments though, it sounds very much like the other guy is a few sandwiches short of a picnic. I mean… had he been there at the autopsy with Dr Doolittle, he would probably have given TA a blow job… or at least tried to. Yes or no?

    • 05/07/2013 at 11:39 pm

      Bailey, seriously don’t go near that site. There’s no point, it’s not going to help in any way.

      • Lisa M
        05/07/2013 at 11:57 pm

        Hi Syntara. I know I shouldn’t make predictions like this but I’m feeling like we’re going to get a verdict tomorrow (today?) Well, today will be here in my time zone in three minutes and in AZ IN 2:03. I think we all forget about how difficult waiting for a verdict is. I know I was just so happy the trial was over, I just assumed there’d be a quick verdict.

    • Lisa M
      05/07/2013 at 11:52 pm

      Wow that’s really disgusting. Yeah don’t go on that site.

    • Tracey A
      05/08/2013 at 12:07 am

      Bailey – Do NOT go anywhere near that site. I recommend you promptly gouge your eyes out and then lather, rinse, repeat. I’ve had to do this many times during this trial. Especially during the JA’s Hooha photos. Just can’t unsee THAT atrocity! 😉

    • kristin
      05/08/2013 at 1:29 am

      Oh hellllllllllllll nah! Don’t be bringing this rif raf up in here! Donchais! Someone just tracked crap into the sandbox! Bailey good’s shoe smells of it;)

      • Lisa M
        05/08/2013 at 1:52 am

        Lol Kristin!

  174. Tracey A
    05/07/2013 at 11:58 pm

    WhereIsSHE :
    Yah.. especially the neo-nazis/white supremacists who attend his political rallies.
    Don’t believe me?
    Look it up.
    Look up JT Ready. He’s the white supremacist (or “holocaust-denying, neo-nazi racist”) who loved his Joe Arpaio rallies.. and who massacred his girlfriend and her family before cowardly shooting himself.
    Ask the local, LEGAL hispanic residents who packed up and moved away out of a real fear and threat of Arpaio’s racial profiling which landed numerous INNOCENT latinos in his infamous “tent city”, pounding rocks all day in the Arizona desert heat.
    And Joe doesn’t deny any of it.
    He actually loves to brag about it, doncha know.
    No, MMD.
    Not VERYONE loves Sherriff Joe Arpaio.

    Hey there WIS! I’ve been gone for awhile so I’m looking forward reading your posts again. I’m somewhat on the fence about Arpaio. However, the one thing I am firmly in support of in re: of Arpaio, is that I’m am overjoyed that JA is incarcerated under his jurisdiction. She is right where she deserves to be. I hope she just loves those peanut butter and/or bologna sandwiches on french rolls ****gag**** he provides. She deserves no better but I understand where you are coming from especially when it comes to his racial profiling!

  175. Lisa M
    05/08/2013 at 12:11 am

    Before I retire for the night I’m going to watch me some Mikee Kungpao. Thanks Syn for introducing me to him. He’s the best! I wonder what he’s thinking right now and if he’ll make another video if the jury is out for much longer. I’m sure he’ll make one after the verdict. Now on HLN theyre speculating that the reason the jury hasn’t come to a conclusion yet is that the men are sympathetic towards Jodi. Wonder what Mikee would say about that! I don’t see it. I mean of course it’s possible and Im really wishing we had that juror #5 on there but I think it’s a little bit insulting to the male gender to assume that they’re going to sympathize with her. Anyway, here’s hoping the jury gets a good night sleep and is refreshed for their deliberations tomorrow. I feel a verdict coming!

    • 05/08/2013 at 12:21 am

      I doubt there is grounds to say its the men… ask Mikee, Robert, Jim and Bubble…. my BF thinks she’s guilty as sin and can’t look at her.

      I think it’s a bit of a reach for someone to claim definitive knowledge on who’s doing what and why. Most men are going to know what she did they are going to feel for Travis.. her abuse claims were ridiculous. Maybe the youngest guy cos he is a little less experienced and more prone to have sympathy for her because of how she looks…. But I don’t think anyone should be claiming to know what the inner workings of the deliberations at this stage.

  176. 05/08/2013 at 12:14 am

    Lisa M :
    Hi Syntara. I know I shouldn’t make predictions like this but I’m feeling like we’re going to get a verdict tomorrow (today?) Well, today will be here in my time zone in three minutes and in AZ IN 2:03. I think we all forget about how difficult waiting for a verdict is. I know I was just so happy the trial was over, I just assumed there’d be a quick verdict.

    Lisa.. Im kind of in a holding pattern.. can’t do anything about when the verdict comes in so will just be waiting. Not sure how to overcome the fear it’s gonna come down in her favour… hoping it’s one of those times I just don’t want to hope for the best in case it doesn’t happen. If I get a pleasant surprise well and good.. if not I will just move on. I will follow Donchais in this next dreadful episode of the sexually sadistic murders of those two poor people in Tennessee.

    Couldn’t make much sense of the 36 page interview some kind soul posted yesterday.. but if that’s anything to go buy I don’t think the defendent will be taking the stand he couldn’t string a coherent sentence together.

    • Lisa M
      05/08/2013 at 12:24 am

      Hey Syn. I know exactly how u feel. I’m trying to be hopeful but I’m worried too. I hope we get a verdict soon. I’m worried I won’t lie that it’s taken this long. I find myself wondering how Juan feels right now. Is he starting to get worried? I’m holding onto hope that a first degree conviction is still possible and even probable. Anything else us too awful to contemplate but at this point it’s anyone’s guess what they’re going to do. Just watched the beginning of Mikee’s latest video. The beginning was very funny – but he said the rest is less so (it’s the evil of Jodi Arias) so instead I think I’ll watch an episode of the show I love to hate: Smash.

  177. NancyB
    05/08/2013 at 12:17 am

    Syn, I posted the new Mikee Kungpao video upstairs ^^^ if you haven’t seen it. He covers closing arguments. Currently post #110. He makes some brilliant comments in response to Nurmi’s crapola.

    • 05/08/2013 at 12:32 am

      ooo ooooo didnt see it.. will go upstairs now thanks Nance! 😀

    • 05/08/2013 at 1:39 am

      omg I saw his other glaring mistakes but I had not picked up on the .22 mistake! omg he’s disgusting.. obviously Jodistein did not want to keep him for he competency.. she wanted to keep him because he was SO incompetent and was stupid enough to sell his soul for the chance to be on tv.

  178. Anna
    05/08/2013 at 12:24 am

    Hi. i know nothing of any upstairs sandcastles…just wanted to say hey and post this quote from “Crocodile Dundee” & see who’s around out there in waiting for verdict land….:

    Sue Charlton: People go to a psychiatrist to talk about their problems. She just needed to unload them. You know, bring them out in the open.

    Michael J. “Crocodile” Dundee: Hasn’t she got any mates?

    Sue Charlton: You’re right. I guess we could all use more mates. I suppose you don’t have any shrinks at Walkabout Creek.

    Michael J. “Crocodile” Dundee: No back there if you got a problem you tell Wally. And he tells everyone in town, brings it out in the open, no more problem.

    • 05/08/2013 at 12:36 am

      hahah yep that’s pretty much the aussie way!

      • Anna
        05/08/2013 at 12:38 am

        pretty much the ‘true’ texan way as well….

  179. Anna
    05/08/2013 at 12:32 am

    hey Syn re: “LMAO Anna… do you have any idea how I’d cope inside your head?? cos I don’t!! :P”
    I think you’d do better than me….i’ll just say that my friend lol 😆

    • 05/08/2013 at 12:37 am

      oh hell no… Im used to order… I fear stepping into yours would, for me, be like Dorothy on her way to Oz!!

      • Anna
        05/08/2013 at 12:39 am

        Como???

      • Anna
        05/08/2013 at 12:40 am

        [hey…further splain elsewheres cuz you’re funny dude!!!]

      • Anna
        05/08/2013 at 12:52 am

        {{{echo, echo}}} anyone der? My personal world is order; my alter ego world is not.

  180. Tracey A
    05/08/2013 at 12:33 am

    NancyB :
    Hi Tracey!!!! You’ve been missed around the sandbox. (((((hugs)))))

    Thanks so much NancyB! I’ve missed being here so much. Thanks again for your warm thoughts. {{{{hugs back}}}}

    • Anna
      05/08/2013 at 12:35 am

      My long lost sista, Tracey A….how are you hun? I’ve been thinking about you. Are you doing okay out there????

      • Tracey A
        05/08/2013 at 12:39 am

        Hey GF! Yep! I’m back finally. I’m doing good Honey! How ’bout you? Know you’ve had your own trials and tribulations going on. Hope you are well. Thinking of you as well! 🙂

      • Anna
        05/08/2013 at 12:41 am

        Hi Sweetheart!!!!!!!!! 🙂

  181. Anna
    05/08/2013 at 12:45 am

    [um…is Mommy awake….cuz like it’s taking forever to load the sand into my stupid bucket….love you Mom….sorry to be such a bitch….but I’ve got my new toys packed in my backpack and just waitin’ for you to send us the rowdy neighbors house…ya know? I can’t seem to grow up…@#$%^&!!

  182. Anna
    05/08/2013 at 1:16 am

    [for reflection purposes only, please guys & gals]:

    • Anonymous
      05/08/2013 at 1:28 am

      Yo, Anna – Do you have “Cat’s in the Cradle” by Cat Stevens – I can’t get ytube as I’m on Apple (or was it by Harry Chapin inquiring minds want to know?)
      Thanks Michael 🙂

    • Tracey A
      05/08/2013 at 1:37 am

      Anna, Dearie! Luv ya but ya got anything other than country? I mean I love Rascal Flatts and all but maybe some Elton John or Neil Diamond or something???. (Note to all: Not dissing on country at all. Would just like to have another genre here.) Just sayin’ Honey! 😀

      • Jill
        05/08/2013 at 1:40 am

        I have a request for wobo……how about some AC/DC , Highway to Hell?

      • Anna
        05/08/2013 at 1:55 am

        okay Trace…give me a second okay…and thank you sweet…i get it…but it might be a bit worse… lol?

      • Schaeffer
        05/08/2013 at 2:12 am

        Ahh, Travey. Now our affinity is explained. I have been blasting “Hot August Night” for two days.

  183. Jill
    05/08/2013 at 1:16 am

    Hi guys,
    Hope this wont offend anyone , but I’m hoping u get a kick out of it like I did….
    Someone made a comment on mikee d’s site that was something like this…..
    “Too bad jodi didn’t just put a gun to her head and shoot herself, cuz then she’d be a four-holed wonder”.

    • Anna
      05/08/2013 at 1:25 am

      lol Jill and thank you. I couldn’t agree more….rough times for all….let’s be different here and support each other, mmmkay? mmmkay. (she tells herself…)

      • Jill
        05/08/2013 at 1:29 am

        Mmmkay!!!! 🙂

    • Tracey A
      05/08/2013 at 2:07 am

      No offense taken here! That is too bad!!! You go Girl!

      • Tracey A
        05/08/2013 at 2:13 am

        * IS too bad! Still too funny!!!

  184. Jill
    05/08/2013 at 1:19 am

    From some of the posts i read today, it sounds like a few of u have been going thru some rough times. I wish u the best and hope things get better quickly for u! Sorry…..I’m very sad when good people have to go thru such misery….hang in there!

    • kristin
      05/08/2013 at 1:32 am

      Well said Jill! I will keep everyone in my prayers as usual:)

  185. kristin
    05/08/2013 at 1:41 am

    Hello fellow night owls! Can I get a hoot hoot! So I’m watching NG from today. They are showing pictures of WOBO I have never seen before. More pics of her and Travis in that waterfall in particular. OK #1 I am not a hater and #2 not basing her actions on her appearance but JA is just not attractive. She just has this bat shit crazy look to her. Her big head is always in the pictures somewhere. Her parents should have gotten a refund from her orthodontist. If I would have read everything I know about her and this case without seeing her picture I think i’d bout fall out of my chair seeing how truly unattractive she is even at her “best”.

    • kristin
      05/08/2013 at 1:44 am

      Also I forgot to mention that NG should reply to WOBOS twitter pic of her flipping the bird and saying that’s for NG. NG should look straight into the camera and flip her the bird and tell WOBO to sit and spin bitch!

      • kristin
        05/08/2013 at 1:47 am

        I’m all alone. Guess I will go kick some coconuts or sumthin:(

  186. Tracey A
    05/08/2013 at 2:05 am

    Jill :
    I have a request for wobo……how about some AC/DC , Highway to Hell?

    LMFAO!!!! Great choice Jill! Way too funny! I needed that laugh so badly! 😆

  187. Anna
    05/08/2013 at 2:07 am

    Tracey A :
    Anna, Dearie! Luv ya but ya got anything other than country? I mean I love Rascal Flatts and all but maybe some Elton John or Neil Diamond or something???. (Note to all: Not dissing on country at all. Would just like to have another genre here.) Just sayin’ Honey!

    To My Nice Tracey A: whatcha think, cuz i love trying to tell my story thru other people’s words, but without eye-to-eye, imho, it’s hit or miss (music like politics to me) 🙂
    Queen’s “Bohemian Rhapsody”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9rUzIMcZQ
    Elton’s “Funeral For a Friend” : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p_xAToFzck
    & finally, Neil’s “Coming to America”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ttDUGM-1mU

    I have more but i can stop….i swear….Simon & Garfunkel are currently revealing my age like no one’s business…”Boxer” “I am a rock”, “Bridge Over Troubled Water” ….it’s from my childhood happy place! 🙂

  188. Anna
    05/08/2013 at 2:09 am

    [in moderation…sorry donchais]

  189. Tracey A
    05/08/2013 at 2:11 am

    Anna :
    okay Trace…give me a second okay…and thank you sweet…i get it…but it might be a bit worse… lol?

    OMG Anna! You are too funny! Don’t look too hard. I know how you Texans are about your music. I’m surprised that Janeto is not here to back you up on your quest! LOL!

    • Anna
      05/08/2013 at 2:18 am

      my vid link post is in moderation, as it prob should be hehehe, no, not really, just keep swimming, right?

    • Chrissie A
      05/08/2013 at 2:18 am

      (Posted previously but in Moderation ~ Sorry Donchais 😦 Please remove previous post of same)
      Hey Trace!!! Got your DM on the Twit – I’m alive and well tx – That said, I wanted to share this with ye ~giggle~

    • Chrissie A
      05/08/2013 at 2:33 am

      😛 Back by popular demand “Cats in the Cradle”

      • Chrissie A
        05/08/2013 at 2:37 am

        Trace got your DM on the Twit, replied but in mod at the mo ~hugs~

      • Tracey A
        05/08/2013 at 2:41 am

        OMFG!!!! Are you kidding me??? This blew me away too! Wow! What KoolAid was I drinking at the time???? My God Girl! Where you been???? I’ve been gone for so long but haven’t seen you in last few threads. Welcome back Cutie Pie! Missed ya ‘cept for what I’ve seen on the Twit!!!!

      • Chrissie A
        05/08/2013 at 2:47 am

        😛 ROLFMAO!! You gotta quit the KoolAid GF – ’tis some brain damaging shite! I’ve been having fun on the Twit and working. (In that order) Missed you too and hope all is well and happy honey ~hugs~

  190. Family of Law
    05/08/2013 at 2:11 am

    Syn? Tracey? Anybody still here that may know about the missing floor mats from the rental car? I just finished reading Jad’s post(s), and my brain is spinning off the rails… Accomplice? Hmmmmm…. Some weeks back I posed this as a possibility, and I got “jumped”. So I gave up the premise. Although, in prior musings, it was MM- Gus S. never crossed my mind (I just wrote him off as a guy that drank the JA Koolaid, and then basked in his allotted 15 mins of fame). But Jad has me wondering?

    I’ve always been bothered by two things in particular re: her being a solo act 1). The pics (even with the camera strap theory, which does makes sense) and 2). A 125 lb woman dragging a 180 lb lifeless man, and maneuvering his body into the shower (even with the adrenaline pumping, that seems very difficult).

    My brain hurts.

    • Anna
      05/08/2013 at 2:16 am

      I’m sorry to be the one to inform you FOL but your’s is the only brain in this here universe that’s hurting….everyone else is doing just fine. Soooo, what’s the matter with you, and you alone??? [if you’re not laughing right now then i misspoke ore something…egad..]

      • Family of Law
        05/08/2013 at 2:25 am

        Hiiiiiiiii Anna-banana! You just eased my brain pain! Lol!!!!

    • Schaeffer
      05/08/2013 at 2:21 am

      As far as I know, all that has been said about the floor mats is they were missing when the car was returned. I don’t know if she was charged for them, or if this is a common occurrence with rental cars and they just replace them. Do rental car companies charge extra if special cleaning is required, such as the staining on the seats? Why do you ask?

      • Family of Law
        05/08/2013 at 2:31 am

        I was wondering about the floor mats because If both driver and passenger we’re missing, it would make me question further about someone else being in the rental with her. I remember he rental guy said there were “koolaid like stains” on the seat. If JA threw out the mats fearing blood evidence, it makes me wonder why both mats needed to be tossed out (presumably with the bloody clothing and weapons).

    • Tracey A
      05/08/2013 at 2:24 am

      No FoL! I get ya here. I think she just disposed of the floor mats “just in case”. And I could, not easily, drag my BF who outweighs me by at least 50lbs with adrenaline flowing. I actually keep threatening to do so (just kidding here). I didn’t see when you got “jumped” but may have to go back and look. I still have a hard time with deciphering how so got Travis in the shower like she did.

      Also, Travis’ roommates described the comforter on his bed. I think she may have dragged him with that due to the “clean” spot down the center of the hallway. His comforter, to my knowledge, has never been found. That’s curious to me.

      • Family of Law
        05/08/2013 at 2:42 am

        Tracey!!! Hellllloooooooooo! (I said “hi” upstairs, not sure if you saw yet I’ve been Googling stuff). “Jumped” was too strong… Safe is to say, my mention of a possible accomplice was discouraged. I posted something around the time JA was on the stand, talking about MM, and she said something to the effect “Matt would never betray me… I don’t think”- and that got me wondering how involved he really was? Like, what did she have on him, that he wouldn’t dare testify against her?

        I’m 5’10, and my current “winter weight” is about 150lb, my son is 6’2 and about 185lb… We did an experiment a few weeks ago, I couldn’t drag him more than a few feet, on hardwood floors (carpet being even harder I’d guess). So I put him on a sheet, it was easier… But still quite difficult.

      • Family of Law
        05/08/2013 at 2:53 am

        Maybe she laid the bundled, bloody comforter on the floor of the passenger side? And that’s why the mat on that side needed to be tossed?

    • 05/08/2013 at 2:34 am

      FOL I have thought since joining this blog that MM and/or Searcy could be involved by duplicity or complicity in this. I posted as much back to jad when I was first asked about the possibility back in March. So I would say plse repost what you said before because I’m pretty sure I must have missed it and I would love to hear (read) your views.

      The floor mats.. I have no idea.. I’ve always thought they are burnt in the desert (or dumped) wherever her clothes and other incriminating evidence was. Could be anywhere from that place just outside mesa… the gold digger place forget it’s name… the desert, the dam or crater lake.

  191. Tracey A
    05/08/2013 at 2:14 am

    Schaeffer :
    Ahh, Travey. Now our affinity is explained. I have been blasting “Hot August Night” for two days.

    Right there with you!!! Great choice!!!!!

  192. Anna
    05/08/2013 at 2:22 am

    Where in the world is Janeto these daze, i ask??? Wake up! It’s only like the mid of the nite there….anyhoo…i’m goin’ horizontal for a few hours…JUSTICE FOR TRAVIS IS ALL, but justice for all is even better!!! G’nite’, sleep tight, & don’t let the bed bugs bite. 🙂

  193. 05/08/2013 at 2:28 am

    OK been looking again at the Searcy connection. Nothing about what this guy says fits. Plus there seems to be conflicting sources regarding confirmation of the alleged 3am phone call.

    1. He claims he received a phone call at 3:30am from an ‘hysterical’ Jodi he states “the phone records prove it”.

    2. There are claims the phone records do not prove this.. so which account is true?

    3. If he did receive this phone call – being such a glutton for publicity surely he would have contacted the police. Imagine how much he would have loved that much air-time being the first one to alert everyone, Travis’ family and friends, the police, the world – to the crime. There is no rational explanation as to why he would not have alerted the police.

    4. Jodi always seeming to cry and be hysterical around him. The phone call she apparently took from Travis when she was staying at Searcy’s trailer. The phone call Searcy allegedly took from her in the early hours of June 5, 2008 ending in Jodi apparently being ‘hysterical’.

    ______

    I’m thinking this is how Jodistein got Searcy on side in general. Used the water works on him and he fell for her act. Always suspected this since finding out about her crying act that night she stayed in the trailer with him.

    He would have been very easy target for her. He was obviously taken in by her the very first time they met he even remembered what she was wearing or claimed to. No guy remembers what a woman is wearing the first time they meet unless they are taken by her or unless it’s something totally weird.

    These four things that stick out in Searcy’s account and have not oft been discussed here that I’ve seen.

    So… what do we make of these?

    Firstly the logical conclusion is this alleged phone call he took from Jodi never happened. He just want publicity and, as usual, he is willing to lie to get it.

    IF however, this phone call can be verified in phone records [anyone who is privy to definitive proof either way could they post with references?] then why didn’t he contact police? It does not fit with his insatiable need for attention. There is just NO way Searcy would have been able to contain himself. He would have viewed it as a never to be repeated opportunity for endless commercial ventures and fame.

    So do we assume there is no phone records? Has Juan said there are no phone records Schaeffer you mentioned above there are no phone records showing this phone call existed… do you have links to this? I know you are not one to write something unless you have very good reason to post it. So I’d really appreciate you leading me in the right direction on this. Thanking you in advance.

    • Family of Law
      05/08/2013 at 3:08 am

      Hi , it’s 2am here, and I’m running on fumes… I had a long night, feeling fuzzy. I may have to re-read all of these posting agin tomorrow with a clearer head! GS is the one that gave JA the Helio right? Were GS phone records investigated by the State?

      • 05/08/2013 at 3:12 am

        FOL.. yes thats him. he gave her the phone she recorded THAT call on… and I would assume GS’ records were investigated.. but how much would have been still available by the time they got around to it.. well that’s another question.

        You go get refreshed.. I’m zinging cos its 3pm here so I’m on full charge!

  194. Schaeffer
    05/08/2013 at 2:29 am

    FoL — I am one of the “no accomplice” theorists, but onbviously it is just that, a theory. I responded to jad @ 11:00 pm if you want to read and respond and discuss. (It is easier for me to cite the time, as the post numbers are ever-changing.)

    • Tracey A
      05/08/2013 at 2:42 am

      I’m with you here Schaeffer! No accomplises!!! She couldn’t risk it. No way!!!!

    • Family of Law
      05/08/2013 at 2:49 am

      I really felt comfortable abandoning all thoughts of an accomplice weeks ago- for several reasons- I never found anything concrete to support my theories, for one- and even more so, I have enormous faith in the Mesa PD, and Juan- so if there was ANY real evidence of her not acting alone, I think it would have surfaced by now- but Jad got me thinking again tonight.

  195. 05/08/2013 at 2:42 am

    I don’t think she had anyone else with her in that house. I think she could have got him to that shower herself and she meant to deal with him collapsing in the shower anyway so there was no need for her to have anyone else there. She wanted it to be her that did it and nobody else it doesn’t fit her psychopathology.

    I think the wildebeest stampede around his body at the entrance of the bedroom is evidence of her walking around him trying to figure out how she was going to get him back into the shower.

    BUT I do believe MM knows a lot more than we have been able to hear from him and I suspect Juan does too but he just doesn’t see a way to get it out of him, at least not on the stand in trial and outside the trial I would imagine it would have been be up to Detective Flores to organise some kind of interrogation. So I assume that has been done with no satisfactory result.

    As for Searcy… he may know stuff that he doesn’t even know he does and he is so salaciously motivated towards heightening his public profile it is very very hard to work out exactly what he might know and what is pure embellishment to meet that end.

  196. 1yorkiemama
    05/08/2013 at 2:53 am

    Thanks to Donchais and all the wonderful insightful compassionate people on this blog. I have been reading for over 2 months, but never wrote anything. (This is my first blog.) I just felt compelled to tell you all how wise and passionate and intelligent your posts have been and they have meant so much to me. So tonight I came to join with you in prayer that the jurors would have the wisdom and the courage to make the right decisions and come to a proper verdict. God bless you all, and God bless Travis’ family and friends 💕

  197. 05/08/2013 at 2:56 am

    Tracey and/or Schaeffer… can either of you help me out deciphering where Searcy’s Trailer was/is.. does he move it around or is it always where he and Jodistein spent those two days.. and when was that? I need to check a timeline… that I think I can do.. but location.. where abouts is/was that trailer?

    • Tracey A
      05/08/2013 at 3:02 am

      I’m not in the know on this one. However, my RV and I have stayed at the RV park located at CircusCircus. But there are many others. I need to research tomorrow. Fading fast at this point….

      Searcy strikes me as someone that would stay at CircusCircus…he belongs there as a namesake at the very least.

      • 05/08/2013 at 3:08 am

        LMAO re circuscircus oh my that’s too freakin funny.. and absolutely where gussy wussy belongs!! In fact where this whole DT and it’s witnesses belong to be honest!

        Ok if tomorrow you come up with anything when you are refreshed I would love you to pass it to me. Thanks 😀

        and welcome back!!!!! {{{hugs}}}

  198. 05/08/2013 at 3:02 am

    Family of Law :
    Maybe she laid the bundled, bloody comforter on the floor of the passenger side? And that’s why the mat on that side needed to be tossed?

    Yep thats what I’ve always assumed.. bloodied stuff on the floor so she disposed of the mats just in case. Obviously her own (drivers side) is a no brainer.. she could easily have assumed traces of his blood could have been transferred from her socks or shoes

  199. John
    05/08/2013 at 3:30 am

    Is there a verdict yet?

    • Tracey A
      05/08/2013 at 3:44 am

      Huh??? Where you been!!! No offense intended cuz many here are on different time zones. So truly, I mean no disrespect. But we are all on Jury watch here….waiting and waiting. Hang in there with us!!!

      • John
        05/08/2013 at 4:11 am

        Hi Tracey, l am in Melbourne Australia, and don’t get all info on the trial.

    • 05/08/2013 at 4:39 am

      No John.. nothing yet… I know you are a felllow Aussie often see you sign off that way! 😀

      • John
        05/08/2013 at 5:19 am

        Thanks hope all is well

      • 05/08/2013 at 5:23 am

        Absoluttely… some time you need to let me know how you got involved in this trial. Essem (Adelaide) and myself (Perth) saw the 48 hour doco. So curious to know how you became involved.

      • John
        05/08/2013 at 5:25 am

        Same here, watched 48 hours, saw a update on pay tv. Starting watching the video on YouTube of the trial whilst I was in Darwin doing military work.

      • 05/08/2013 at 5:31 am

        ah very similar to me then.. I watched the doco ages ago.. then accidently found out the trial was on I think in March.. watched the youtube stuff in order and the rest is history

      • John
        05/08/2013 at 5:35 am

        Exactly the same but found youtube tv about day three of the trial

  200. Tracey A
    05/08/2013 at 3:37 am

    Hey all! Just wanted to state as I scroll upstairs. I am NOT worried about this Jury. I think they get it. But are respectfully waiting to review all the evidence. I really wanted them to come back within the hour of a guilty verdict. But, with what WIS and Observer have posted, that would be benign on my service on this Jury. I really think that they know what is right and wrong. Just, please give them a chance. I know with the last verdicts we have received like Casey Anthony, that we are all scared. But this is AZ, not FL!!!! And I hate to say that with all the Floridians out there, but this is different. Keep the faith! Please!!! Just hold out…

    We in the West live by a different code of ethics. Let’s just wait and see…

    I pray that I will not have to eat my words. Come’on Jurors! We feel you!!!!

    • Chrissie A
      05/08/2013 at 4:03 am

      I agree Trace, I have faith in this jury. From all reports they seemed very attentive even though at times they were subjected to laborious testimony. Their questions were insightful and at times added to the testimony. In CA we do have the option for juror questions and I hope that we see more of this in future trials. I will accept whatever they conclude, whether I am in agreement or not.

      • Tracey A
        05/08/2013 at 4:29 am

        Me too. As we speak!!!! Take care of doggies!!!!! You have too!!!! I would tooooo!

  201. Family of Law
    05/08/2013 at 3:40 am

    Just went for a last stroll upstairs- Tracey, loved your reply to me way ⬆ there, yes saddle soap is “the shit”! Soldier/ “Sweet Boy” is doing better than we could have hoped, he is very, sweet, very special! (I will deliver your kisses and carrot to him in the morning) 5 new kittens born tonight after dinner, very, very cute, all healthy! So glad you’re back here where you belong!

    Syn, you zing away in you daylight hours! I will check back in on all of your posts in the a.m- but I am “off” the accomplice idea again… There really isn’t anything I’ve seen to support it- I think I just got off on a tangent after reading Jad’s thoughts. Pics? Dragging a body? I think will always be things I wish I understood better…

    Thanks to all of you for indulging me in my temporary head spin…

    Here’s hoping that tomorrow there is a verdict of 1st degree, then maybe the “unknowns” won’t be as troubling. I just NEED her to not win!!!

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzz 🙂

    • Tracey A
      05/08/2013 at 3:52 am

      OMG! Congrats Grandma!!! Again and again! I’ll bet Soldier (Sweet) Boy is gonna love those kittens as though they were his own. Many, many nose kisses! Good I wish I could smell him, but I think I already can! TY FoL…my own personal hero! God Love Ya Woman!

    • 05/08/2013 at 5:12 am

      yay for kitty babies… bit they are a but fugly though, c’mon be honest!!! … not cute yet!! little rats! give em a few days then the real cuteness will start to come out! I love puddy tats by the way so I’m not being mean just honest! 😀

      Don’t give the accomplice away yet… there is more than one way to be an accomplice.. can even be an inadvertent accomplice. maybe when you are refreshed and re-read my posts you might re-assess the meaning.

      I don’t think her dragging him back to the shower is such a problem..lots of blood to facilitate the sliding.. it is liquid, also could well be why she through the water on the floor much easier to slide without the extra friction. The water may not have been for a clean up may have been to help get him to the shower which is why she threw it into the shower cubicle once she got him there.

      The camera on her strap around her neck to me explains how those photo could have been taken. each inadvertent photo is at a key time.

      1. As she goes in for the attack
      2. As she gets up off the floor to attack him again at the basin
      3. As she slits his throat
      4. As she drags his body in a particularly difficult spot.

      Extra force, the camera is knocked, resulting in an inadvertent shot.

      • 05/08/2013 at 5:13 am

        *** through = threw soz

      • 05/08/2013 at 5:17 am

        ****The water may not have been for a clean up may have been to help get him to the shower which is why she threw it into the shower cubicle once she got him there.***

        it here being the cup she used to splash the water around the area of the bathroom to facilitate easier sliding to the shower.

        There was no hose so this would make sense.

      • Tracey A
        05/08/2013 at 5:21 am

        Huh????? Why are you going off on this???? You are missing the point. What is up here????

      • 05/08/2013 at 5:30 am

        pardon? soz Trace not following at all.

  202. Tracey A
    05/08/2013 at 3:47 am

    Syntara :
    LMAO re circuscircus oh my that’s too freakin funny.. and absolutely where gussy wussy belongs!! In fact where this whole DT and it’s witnesses belong to be honest!
    Ok if tomorrow you come up with anything when you are refreshed I would love you to pass it to me. Thanks
    and welcome back!!!!! {{{hugs}}}

    Well, they are NOT allowed to stay in my RV. I’d have to sanitize the whole rig. No time allotted for that venture. No scumbags allowed says my sign outside. They know who they are and my tires wouldn’t even support Wurmi! Again, just sayin’…

    • 05/08/2013 at 4:44 am

      Trace.. you are better than I!!! . I’d be pouring fuel all over it and burning it… forget the sanitization.. ain’t no amount gonna kill those rabid cooties.

      • Tracey A
        05/08/2013 at 5:32 am

        Not me! I know how to edify my beliefs. They are NOT going to be in my RV. Only Bubble or FoL or others….they are THE only the invited ones. Among others including Donchais….we are only the invited ones. Come on Syn…just get with the program….please don’t lead anyone astray…please!!!!

      • 05/08/2013 at 5:37 am

        ok Trace. no worries.. but I’m not sure of the program I’m supposed to be getting with.

  203. 05/08/2013 at 4:50 am

    ok I’ve been working on some Gus Stuff… just to try to get a handle on this sleazebag. My work in progress summation is at the end.,

    GUS SEARCY (Part 1)

    (4 separate posts to avoid Moderation as multiple links included.)

    **Note: Equip tin foil hat before viewing any of this series of links**

    Gus Searcy on the stand.

    Jodi Arias Trial – Day 10 – Part 1 (Croakerqueen)

  204. 05/08/2013 at 4:52 am

    Gus Searcy: Letting us know Jodi used her sob stories to ensnare him and he fell for it hook line and sinker.

    Makes a Freudian slip in here around 30 second mark.. GS says “they’d had a fight, he felt threatened by her” and using this ruse she had got herself invited to his Trailer in Las Vegas. Setting up the shaking and crying ruse to further elicit his sympathy. Travis trying to get her to see sense she just turns around and uses it to convince GS she is the poor wittle victim. Really it’s obviously a very frustrated Travis trying to get some sense out of her regarding why she has taken off, he probably doesn’t even know where she is. Jodi takes the phone call outside.. not because she is embarassed as GS erringly perceives, but so he doesn’t hear what Travis is saying or her responses to him. She then uses the opportunity to come back in crying and shaking so she completes the “oh poor me” plan.

    http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/02/13/gus-searcy-heres-what-they-wouldnt-let-me-say-stand?clusterId=1303#videoplayer

    (not to be watched as serious clip, only to glean what tactics Jodistein used to ensnare poor gullible gussy wussy.)

  205. 05/08/2013 at 4:54 am

    Part 3 Gus Searcy

    Gus Searcy:

    Gus showing further how he was set up by Jodistein and also correcting his freudian slip in earlier clip where accidently said He feared her. In this one he indicates Jodistein was afraid of Travis.

    Also has his claims of receiving the phone call at 3:30am from an ‘hysterical” Jodistein.

    Presumably the host means June 5th but says June 4th. Could not be june 4th 3:30am cos that was around the time Jodi claims to have been arriving at Travis’ house and Travis was definitely very much alive at that time.

    Searcy sneakily says he presumes so… but that’s impossible.. so why doesn’t he say “no no it was the morning of June 5th” he is very precise about things he says when it suits him but in this case he seems not to want to pin down the date so he avoids correcting the host.

    So when was it? Did he avoid the correction due to the possiblity investigators may have the phone records? Perhaps therefore hedging the date? Was this phone call actually one AFTER the body was discovered and Searcy is just inferring it was June 5th to facilitate interview importance? That would make more sense to me.

    http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/02/14/gus-searcy-jodi-arias

  206. 05/08/2013 at 4:56 am

    Gus Searcy Part 4

    Gus again. Closer to saying it was the 5th June he got the phone call but still not quite saying it just more agreeing with Greta.

    This one is interesting. Searcy seems to either know what the defense closing is going to be or he actually gives Nurmi the idea. Listen to the “why didn’t she shoot him earlier” idea be put forward in this one.

    Also bit longer so more detail of her using Gus as the ‘poor me, Travis is so mean to me’ sucker.

    http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/video/jodi-arias-friend-gus-searcy-on-the-record/

    So ya, he is an attention seeker, but at the same time he is very much guilty of duplicity in assisting her with her story. Which makes him an accomplice after the fact if not legally certainly morally.

  207. Tracey A
    05/08/2013 at 5:37 am

    Come on Girl!!!! Get with this program. You can do it! I know you can!

  208. Tracey A
    05/08/2013 at 5:40 am

    Come on Syn!!!! You can do it..yes you can!!!! Don’t buy into the KoolAid now….

  209. Tracey A
    05/08/2013 at 5:44 am

    Syntara :
    ok Trace. no worries.. but I’m not sure of the program I’m supposed to be getting with.

    Not the program you are following….please you know where I’m at…

    • 05/08/2013 at 5:46 am

      NO I don’t I have absolutely no idea!

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