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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – Penalty Phase, That Did Not Happen, Continues


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  1. SCK
    05/10/2013 at 7:34 pm

    What did Juror #8 say that was so bad?

    • MMD
      05/10/2013 at 7:38 pm

      Nothing all he said was that he figured that this would be the verdict. After all, he is entitled to his own opinion. Those loons (no offense to the bird) over at the JA is innocent site are completely off their rockers and need to be put into a padded room all together, imho. 😉

    • HJ Madison
      05/10/2013 at 7:40 pm

      Just that he agreed with the verdict. There is a link to the interview on previous page. That crowd (Jackassisinnocent (is that what it was called?) ) will say anything to keep donations coming!

      • SCK
        05/10/2013 at 7:48 pm

        Always looking for something……..can’t wait for sentencing!

      • MMD
        05/10/2013 at 7:52 pm

        Me either!!! She want death, let’s give her death and she can say no to any of the appeals just like Timothy McVeigh did.

      • donchais
        05/10/2013 at 7:54 pm

        No, give her life in a tiny cell, 23 hours a day and no contact with anybody…she will not be able to lie, manipulate!

    • LindaLou
      05/10/2013 at 7:40 pm

      That he wasn’t surprised by the verdict and knew what was coming. They’re saying if he knew what was coming, it means they spoke amongst themselves. In addition, they had their iPods, iPhones, tablets to keep them busy. They’re saying this shows they had access to social media.

      • HJ Madison
        05/10/2013 at 7:45 pm

        I was just going to credit you for naming those morons JackAssIsInnocent.com! Good one!

      • MMD
        05/10/2013 at 7:49 pm

        It doesn’t mean that they were not following the judge’s admonitions. I’m sure the bailiff made sure of that, at least while in the courthouse. (one of these days I’m going to remember how to spell bailiff – spell check is my best friend)

      • Anonymous
        05/10/2013 at 8:59 pm

        they didn’t need to talk or look at social media/ EVERYONE knew she was guilty & that the jury was not going to scew it up a la Casey Anthony! There is no one (sane) that thinks she is innocent….the whole jodiariasisinnocent website is proly just the HESHE & her fat mom trying to make it look like a bunch of people….by the way, even her PARENTS didn’t think she was innocent, or they would have sold their house to pay for better lawyers than the public defenders she ended up with

  2. MMD
    05/10/2013 at 7:34 pm

    Donchais darlin’ how are you holding up? Thank you for giving us our sandbox and we want to know that you are all right or as best as can be expected.

    We all are sending you XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX for all you do advocating for victims and simply putting up with us. Love ya darlin’ xoxo

  3. Dewey
    05/10/2013 at 7:37 pm

    Did anyone ever find out why juror #5 was dismissed?

    • MMD
      05/10/2013 at 7:41 pm

      She made a comment to the jurors when they were talking payment about one of the “experts” and I use the term loosely and said if they could afford to pay that much they should be able to afford more comfortable chairs for the jurors. I think it was said in the jury room.

      Plus, she took a lot of notes and the fact she breathed probably bugged the DT so they made sure that she got bounced. She did say she would give her side once the trial was over but did nothing wrong. Have to wait and see what she says!!!

      • HJ Madison
        05/10/2013 at 7:47 pm

        Excellant intel! How did I miss that? Did you hear that on your honeymoon?

      • MMD
        05/10/2013 at 7:50 pm

        Now ya know I can’t say 😀

      • ringadingding
        05/10/2013 at 10:25 pm

        I wonder who shared that bit of information to the judge and why they shared it. Seems like a pretty generic gripe. Besides, I’ve wondered if those chairs were comfortable. They look pricey.

      • 05/10/2013 at 11:37 pm

        MMD- Are you serious or is this a joke? She commented on the jurors chairs and this is one of the reasonss she got booted. Sweet mother of Nurmi!!!

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 10:29 am

        Bailey that was widely reported and yes it’s true. This all came out by accident when they were talking to the jurors individually as to whether or not they had seen JM signing autographs.

  4. donchais
    05/10/2013 at 7:41 pm

    MMD :

    Donchais darlin’ how are you holding up? Thank you for giving us our sandbox and we want to know that you are all right or as best as can be expected.

    We all are sending you XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX for all you do advocating for victims and simply putting up with us. Love ya darlin’ xoxo

    Awwww, thanks! Just really pizzed…this is the worst I’ve ever seen and trying hard to keep it together for the family…Christian/Newsom trial starts Monday…will cover and if around, ritanita will pick up the slack…my heart and prayers are for all! Luv you guys, thanks!!!!

    • MMD
      05/10/2013 at 7:45 pm

      You’re a very special lady so make sure that you take care of yourself cause if you don’t I will have to assume the stance. 😯 I’m so glad that you have ritanita to help you and I hope you realize that every single one of us would go anything for you – all ya have to do is ask. Hang in there darlin’ xoxo

  5. donchais
    05/10/2013 at 7:47 pm

    Trolls are out and tryin to weed through the garbage…give some slack, if ya would!

    • MMD
      05/10/2013 at 7:55 pm

      So sorry you have to go through this. You can always shut us down for the night and take some time for yourself. You truly deserve it!!! None of us would mind in the least, we’re just thankful for the time we DO have here. Think about it ok!!!! 🙂

      • HJ Madison
        05/10/2013 at 8:01 pm

        Oh for sure! I know so little about this blogging — I haven’t any idea what all is involved. Just the fact that we slap up nearly a thousand every 24 hours is astonishing! Shut us down for a bit … give yourself a rest! Plus, it might help with our addiction — know what I mean 😁?

    • Jill
      05/10/2013 at 8:00 pm

      Hang in there! U r truly amazing! Do what MMD suggested if it’ll help u! Take good care of yourself!

  6. HJ Madison
    05/10/2013 at 7:55 pm

    I wanted to thank Nienna for the post to the article on KatieCoolLady – what a heartbreaking story! And what remarkable strength Katie has. WOW.

    • MMD
      05/10/2013 at 7:58 pm

      Isn’t she awesome. I have so much respect for her!!!

      • HJ Madison
        05/10/2013 at 8:03 pm

        Well, I was impressed with her before I read the articles. But to hear the details of her experience …. just awe inspiring!

      • donchais
        05/10/2013 at 8:04 pm

        katiecoolady is the best…she is the best of the best for victim advocates…I adore her!!! She also has no ego…just a heart bigger than the world!

  7. HJ Madison
    • HJ Madison
      05/10/2013 at 8:16 pm

      I knew I should have done it in 2 seperate posts! Sorry Donchais!!

  8. Janna
  9. Janna
    05/10/2013 at 8:24 pm

    From the post-conviction interview on Fox —
    “I’m a person of my word, so I’ll keep our deal”

    From interrogation video —
    “if I killed Travis I would beg for the death penalty”

    I hope the psychopathic murderer gets her wish.

  10. Kristy
    05/10/2013 at 8:28 pm

    I don’t think Juan will bring up WOBOs Faux interview. He had his game plan before that and I’ll bet he doesn’t allow to muddy the waters. I have only seen snippets of the Faux interview, but it was readily apparent that all of Juan’s claims about Jodi and her behavior were validated. Juan isn’t going to make it about him at all, he’s going to continue his focus on justice for Travis.

  11. NancyB
    05/10/2013 at 8:37 pm

    SYN –
    I read this article late last night and I was mind-blown!! The article by Kristina is excellent as always BUT the article from Psychology Today, that she referenced in her article was CHILLING. It really is a truly EXCELLENT descriptor of sociopath from one that is self identified as one.

    SYN – Please read this article that Kristina references and let us know your thoughts, please!


    • 05/11/2013 at 1:06 am

      see reply to u downstairs Nance

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/11/2013 at 4:43 am

      Thanks. Randle has been good every time she writes. The lawyer as sociopath. I like it.Works for me.

  12. Regina
    05/10/2013 at 8:42 pm

    I little had a chance to post something but I read everyday your recaps and l loved it but I am not selfish like Ms. Parias and I agree with the others when they suggest that you shut us down for a little if this will help you. You are wonderful and deserve respect. I am 100% behind any decision that you want to take. But pls be back!

    • donchais
      05/10/2013 at 8:56 pm

      Nah, got a bit of ummphh to go yet! Thx!

  13. mba
    05/10/2013 at 8:59 pm

    just looked at photos again…the last photo Stabby Sociopath took of Travis WAS WITHOUT HIS HEAD! SHE WANTED TO DECAPITATE HIM! I believe that Stabby took each photo fantasizing how and where she was going to stab/slash and shoot him…really think that live shots of Travis next to autopsy photos would also tell the story of how she planned it all even more.

    • kristin
      05/11/2013 at 12:07 am

      What a sick freak

    • 05/11/2013 at 1:22 am

      this line of thought sans decapitation, is what lead to someone sending me the psycho scene comparisons months ago. When I looked at Dr Horn’s sketches and the photos, there so strongly seemed to be a correlation. But I do believe she never expected him to get out of the shower.

      So the psycho poses now make more sense to me, and I think the stab to the chest, slash across the navel and opening of the neck were the three intentional [premeditated] wounds. I think the rest were incidental to him fighting so hard during his attempt to escape.

    • Anonymous
      05/11/2013 at 2:34 pm

      I think her comment in the guest book at the wake, Travis was beautiful inside and out, was referencing him almost being decapitated.
      I have never jumped to the most heinous conclusion about people, I honestly am usually Pollyanna but this chick reminds me of a Stephen King character.
      I think this trial has warped me…..Syntara am I going to ever be the same 😉

  14. kristin
    05/10/2013 at 9:11 pm

    Anyone watching Dr.Drew? Omg that email WOBO sent PPL was 100xs worse than the one sent to Ryan Burns. I actually feel really freaked out.

    • HJ Madison
      05/10/2013 at 9:22 pm

      Oh crum … I hope it repeats! Did she say anything about why PPL is not paying her legal bills now?

    • Jill
      05/10/2013 at 9:26 pm

      Omg. I’m watching it now! I can’t believe her!

    • kristin
      05/10/2013 at 9:32 pm

      Omg u gotta catch it! She wrote a letter to PPL because their annual dinner convention was coming up and she asked that if they have a moment to memorialize Travis that they mention that even though she is in jail charged w his murder, that they say she is innocent until proven guilty!!!!!!!!

      • kristin
        05/10/2013 at 9:33 pm

        I could not even make this shit up!!

    • HJ Madison
      05/10/2013 at 9:32 pm

      Tell more!!! What did she say???

      • kristin
        05/10/2013 at 9:35 pm

        It was a simple email! That was pretty much it but she mentions a date and that its been x amount of time since someone took Travis’s life.

      • kristin
        05/10/2013 at 9:37 pm

        I’m just still so shocked at the nerve and AUDACITY.

      • HJ Madison
        05/10/2013 at 11:17 pm

        Kristin: Looks like HLN is going to repeat Dr. Drew. Thanks for the tip!

      • kristin
        05/10/2013 at 11:33 pm

        Your welcome HJ! Let me know what u thought about it:) I’m watching Chicago right now and its nuts. I forgot a lot of parts. JA should have picked less obvious movies to use as inspiration for her lies.

  15. 05/10/2013 at 9:19 pm

    For MMD a montage of Juan highlights

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 10:21 am

      Thank you Essem – {{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}} he’s definitely a keeper 😀

  16. WhereIsSHE
    05/10/2013 at 9:29 pm

    donchais :No, give her life in a tiny cell, 23 hours a day and no contact with anybody…she will not be able to lie, manipulate!

    That is her greatest fear.
    To have no STAGE.
    To have no one to MANIPULATE.
    That is HELL to Jodi Arias, right there.
    ALONE; LOCKED UP; rapidly becoming IRRELEVANT.

    • kristin
      05/10/2013 at 9:39 pm

      Has jodi become addicted to the fame? Infamy really.

    • MAGLD
      05/11/2013 at 8:24 am

      Yes, solitary confinement while awaiting the needle…..the only exception being,…… to constantly have to listen to all the wonderful stories from Travis’s friends and family!…. especially from his past girlfriends!

    • Crystal Harris
      05/11/2013 at 12:12 pm

      That’s not an option though, without being on Death Row. If she is sentenced to prison, she’ll be put in a population based on her behavior. Despite her little infractions, she doesn’t fight and seems to get along well with others, which means she won’t be put in isolation.

  17. Jay
    05/10/2013 at 9:35 pm

    donchais :
    No, give her life in a tiny cell, 23 hours a day and no contact with anybody…she will not be able to lie, manipulate!

    I think you’re describing death row conditions.
    I believe life without parole prisoners eventually join a wider prison population.
    Still, LWOP is a better sentence for the family.
    Approximately 30% of death penalty convictions are fully or partially reversed. The last thing the Alexander family wants is to have to go through another trial.

    • Kristy
      05/10/2013 at 9:44 pm

      She would face years without her golf pencils, and in agony over being ignored. It would take a long time for to get the appeal. Jodi is the queen of the jail cell and hasn’t thrived more.

      I’m sorry Juan didn’t ask brewer if Jodi had laser treatment. It would have dismantled her pedophilia claims. Maybe he didn’t want the risk of a lie by brewer. Juan is so smart!

      • Janna
        05/10/2013 at 11:29 pm

        ??? – Please explain your comments is second paragraph. I have no idea what you mean.

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 10:10 am

      Jay the family and the state have both stated that they want the DP. Even Travis’ friends say that due to his religious beliefs he would have wanted the DP for JA. I know that Tameka has stated that she doesn’t care whether she has to wait 20 years, she still wants to watch JA die.

  18. C.I.
    05/10/2013 at 9:53 pm

    Good evening all

    first off than you donchais for keeping our sandbox troll free and keeping us all informed.

    I’ve had many conversations with syn an you all about the blood atonement ritual . Now I have another couple scenarios floating around in my head:

    1. Maybe the reason JA didn’t kill Travis right away and wanted to have sex with him (not just o she could be the last person to have him sexually, or because the roommates wer home) is maybe she wanted to become pregnant and that would ink her and Travis together for life.

    2. She said that she wants death penalty as soon as possible what if in her sick mind she thinks now she will be with Travis forever and if he doesn’t want her still then she can torment him forever. Although we all know what direction she is going.

    Personally I would like her to be in a cell 23 hours a day and have Travis’ crime scene photos glued to the walls,ceiling and floor for the rest of her life.

    Thoughts anyone?

    • kristin
      05/10/2013 at 11:36 pm

      She should have her cell covered in mirrors so she can be tormented by her aging unattractive appearance since that’s all she seems to care about.

    • Debra
      05/11/2013 at 12:32 am

      Ok, obviously I am new, but my personal opinion is simply that she wanted Travis to know that SHE was killing HIM! She is soooo into power and control. All others she got bored and found someone “better”. With travis, he had the control, and when he absolutely didn’t want her she became obsessed. So she shows up unexpectedly, he obliges, (which many of us do, even if we hate to admit it) and when he goes to shower off she kills him. He wasnt expecting it. No different than if she would have shot him when he answered the door as the defense says she would have done if pre med. It was still unexpected. Yet this way he knew who and why ( b/c she was probably saying “why” she was killing him the entire time.)I truly think she wanted him to know it was her that was killing him. That she controlled him. And she was probably telling him it was all his fault and the reasons why it was ok, she’d never be caught b/c it wasn’t her fault! Everyone keeps saying if it was premed she would have done it quick when he didn’t expect it. For God’s sake, that is exactly how she did it…. Quick when he didn’t expect it! But she got the pleasure this way of him knowing it was her who did it! She had control!!
      And on another note, if prosecution had accepted her plea 5 years ago I have no doubt she still would have spewed these lies. She acts like she had to drag his name through the mud b/c her plea wasn’t accepted. Bullshit. As soon as signed on the dotted line she still would have been on the phone with anyone to sell her lies and make believe stories. Everything they said in court about Travis she would have said anyways for a buck and fame. She has sold her soul to the devil but I guess it’s still not enough.

    • 05/12/2013 at 12:49 am

      C.I…..It’s funny you say that about the pregnancy because my husband said the same eexact thing a couple days ago ! She was going to kill him and hoped on getting pregnant that last day with him. Then she would always have a piece of him. She would most likely have told people they were trying to get preg and Travis wanted a baby…blah blah blah.. Lol then poor poor Jodi got her period. Another plan gone wrong.

  19. C.I.
    05/10/2013 at 10:14 pm

    Excuse the typos mind going faster than fingers again

  20. 05/10/2013 at 10:26 pm

    Is there anywhere online that I can read all the police reports, autopsy reports, etc??

  21. Janna
    05/10/2013 at 11:44 pm

    kristin :
    Anyone watching Dr.Drew? Omg that email WOBO sent PPL was 100xs worse than the one sent to Ryan Burns. I actually feel really freaked out.

    Missed Dr. Drew. Shucks! But I was able to watch NBC Dateline and ABC 20/20 (back-to-back). Both networks were featuring stories about the Arias & Alexander.

    • kristin
      05/11/2013 at 12:00 am

      Let us know if they cover anything new! I’m honestly surprised how insightful Dr drews show is sometimes. Please don’t pelt me with rotten tomatoes!!

  22. Lisa M
    05/10/2013 at 11:45 pm

    LOL Donchais! The penalty phase, that did not happen, continues. yes, how true.

  23. 05/10/2013 at 11:46 pm

    “Still, LWOP is a better sentence for the family.”

    And you know this how?

    • 05/10/2013 at 11:48 pm

      Mark.. Been wondering where u disappeared to! Hello

      • 05/11/2013 at 12:33 am

        Hi Syn, Yeah been gone for about a week. New job and internet issues. I’m diligently going through the previous days threads to get caught up. I have a lot of reading to do. :-O

        This Judge had better not even think of granting hodi’s request of not allowing the Alexander’s to give their statements at the close of this trial live and in person! The utter arrogance of this monster is incredible! We wouldn’t want poor hodi to be deprived of her due process! (Sorry, had to vent! )

        BTW, hope you’ve been well! 😉

      • 05/11/2013 at 12:40 am

        Vent away!!! Many of us feel the sme… her audacity knows no bounds and it’s never ending frustration that nobody seems to have the balls to stand up to her and stamp out abiding her.

    • Kristy
      05/10/2013 at 11:56 pm

      It totally depends on how the inmates are treated with LWOP vs DP. My understanding is that a LWOP has ZERO appeals. It’s a done deal. Of course, if she’s able to hang out with folks like she currently does, it’s a win for her. She’s the slasher, and I’m sure they are all afraid of her giver her killing ways. Travis’s family would be able to wash thier hands. They won’t be subjected to any more court hearings.

      If she gets DP, she loses her golf pencils until she gets swapped over to LWOP, and that would be at least 10 years. Jodi will age at that point…. and she’ll have lost her “young attractive female killer interest” the media has. Jodi in solitary for 23 hours a day for 10 years would be awesome even if she eventually gets LWOP.

      • HJ Madison
        05/11/2013 at 12:38 am

        Little correction. She can appeal no matter which sentance she gets. The State pays for her 1st appeal if she gets the DP. If that fails, any continuing appeals she pays on her own (or gets it pro bono – that will never happen). LWOP she must pay for all her appeals.

        The living conditions are very different between DP = Death Row and LWOP = where she can live in the general population, have the same “freedoms” as other GP inmates (more visits, much more contact with other humans, probably windows and many more outside hours, much wider selection of commissary, etc.). If she really behaves, she could have a “job” in prison, more access to study, church services with others.

        If the living conditions of LWOP were equivalent to that of Death Row, I think many would be satisfied.

    • Jay
      05/11/2013 at 9:04 am

      Way less chance for reversal, and the family having to sit through another trial. Duh!

  24. Kristy
    05/10/2013 at 11:46 pm

    Janna :
    ??? – Please explain your comments is second paragraph. I have no idea what you mean.

    I had thought for so long they could use Jodi’s smooth hooha as part of premeditation. After 3 months and no $$$ Jodi wouldn’t have had a smooth hooha if she wasn’t planning on seeing Travis. I’ve had laser, I’ve had waxing. It only lasts for so long, approximately 6-8 weeks. Jodi claimed that she wasn’t seeing anyone other than Travis sexually, so she had no reason to have a smooth hooha. Yet she did in those pictures. To me that alone speaks of pre-meditation.

    On the other hand, had Jodi gotten Darryl Brewer to pay for her laser treatments for her hooha like he paid for her boobs, then she had the smooth hooha prior to meeting Travis. And Jodi used her already smooth hooha as part of her Travis is a pedofile testimony. Jodi wouldn’t want the jury to know that she’d gotten permanent treatment to her hooha if she was claiming to be Miss Librarian. She’d already have to admit to her boob job. It would be hard to claim Travis’s wanting her smooth because he was into pedophilia, when she showed up for the first sex with a landing strip or totally lasered. Jodi worked at an adult only resort in CA. Wouldn’t be surprised if Jodi had a smooth hooha before she ever met Travis.

    • kristin
      05/11/2013 at 12:02 am

      All this ja hooha talk has got me feeling queasy!!

      • Kristy
        05/11/2013 at 12:21 am

        I know everything about her is disgusting, but Jodi claimed that Travis was into pedophila and liked her smooth. She also claimed that she wasn’t planning on seeing Travis on the trip ahead of time. She also claimed that she moved home in April, and had no other lovers. Hence, her hooha would not be smooth unless either A) she had laser treatment or B) she shaved/waxed in Salinas. She claimed that Travis wanted her smooth, and if she had laser it shows that 1) she lied about his pedophilia in regards to her clean hooha and 2) she was so hyper focused on her looks that she was a waitress and had all money spent on looks versus any form of career.

        It also shows what a liar she is if she had a pre-existing smooth hooha. She used her smooth hooha as part of her pedophila claim against Travis.

    • Janna
      05/11/2013 at 12:20 am

      OMG!!! I can’t stop laughing. Now I get it. OMG!!! Thanks for the education and thoroughly entertaining explanation.

      Smooth hoohahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

      How many layers of crazee are there in Wobo’s head?

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 10:04 am

      All I have to say is that this hooha talk is reminding me of those pictures which caused me temporary brain and retina damage. 😦 Thank gawd I’m reading this today and not last night cause I probably would have had nightmares 👿

  25. Janna
    05/10/2013 at 11:55 pm

    kristin :
    Anyone watching Dr.Drew? Omg that email WOBO sent PPL was 100xs worse than the one sent to Ryan Burns. I actually feel really freaked out.



  26. Janna
    05/11/2013 at 12:07 am

    Jodi Arias Trial – Unseen Footage

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 12:49 am

      This must be by the same person who did her answer to “Ms. Arias where did you fo to school?”. LOL.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/11/2013 at 4:27 am

      LOVE these things. Editor has a great touch!

    • Mckealty
      05/11/2013 at 2:55 pm

      This is gold….

  27. nyccowgirl
    05/11/2013 at 12:11 am

    PPL email for those who haven’t seen it yet


    • 05/11/2013 at 12:54 am

      “Humble gratitude”


      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/11/2013 at 4:28 am


    • 05/11/2013 at 1:27 am

      Thanks for that link I had been unsuccessful in searching for it. Interesting she, for the first time that i have seen, says Travis’ “life was taken”. Usually she says he “passed”. And “if I am anyway referenced …” ??? No show without Punch Jodi! GAWD 😱

      • 05/11/2013 at 2:12 am

        Essem… as far as I know.. all through her “Ninja story” days she said it was ‘taken’ once she admitted she killed him… it became he “passed” or something similar. I am assuming this letter was written in her “ninja did it” days.

  28. 05/11/2013 at 12:19 am

    NancyB :
    SYN –

    NancyB … I approach this whole question from a very different perspective. So let me post in something I wrote quite some time ago, before I ever heard of Jodi Arias.

    “They typically blame others for the consequences of their actions and engage in moral reasoning that is glib and superficial if not absurd.” Jonathan Zap

    Sadly, the very nature of psychopaths seems to eliminate the possibility of them ever being able to recognise or explain their behaviour or its origins accurately or truthfully. This is likely the reason the disorder has been so shrouded in mystery for centuries and to date no effective therapies developed.

    If they could tell us maybe it would be a story that goes something like this:

    “At first it was totally bewildering. Realising and having to accept there is a big part of me that simply doesn’t work or isn’tthere. A part that everyone else seems to take for granted yet I simply don’t possess. It was very scary to know everyone else has these emotions that in me are either grossly inhibited, disordered or completely lacking.

    I’m expected to feel things I simply can’t no matter how hard I try. Others assume I can feel like them and even if I try to explain they don’t understand, they can’t take me literally.

    From the fear and isolation, the need to hide this inadequacy became my utmost priority. The disorder itself defines me. A way around the problem had to be developed at all costs. The overwhelming need to pretend to others I could feel as they do forced me to watch them very carefully learning, effectively and convincingly, how to mimic the emotions I lack.”

    The natural bi-product of years of this study was to develop an ability to very quickly recognise each individuals emotional make up. After mastering the intellectual understanding of a more complex emotional trigger/response repertoire, at some point I realised I could use my knowledge in reverse. I could identify someone’s emotional makeup and trigger emotional responses I wanted them to feel. I realised this knowledge allows me to emotionally control people.”

    Unable to feel the range or depth of necessary emotions to accommodate a close relationship, romantic or platonic, the psychopath learns to use his acquired ability to identify the emotion/stimuli/response patterns of his chosen target to simulate the necessary emotional conditions through manipulation and mimicry.

    By successfully utilising the knowledge to develop a set of emotional reactions and triggers based only on the most superficial level the emotions elicited in the target are triggered only through manipulation. The terrible tragedy is, though the trigger is fake and the sender feels nothing, the receiver’s response is very real. They feel and trust the emotion and every biological and physical response triggered by the counterfeit stimulus. The reaction is felt genuinely and sincerely by the recipient. The psychopath has now assumed the role of puppeteer and the target an emotional marionette, unknowingly at the mercy of a callous uncaring master.

    This contrivance leads to the often proclaimed feeling of soul mate. The psychopath has created an illusionary soul mate for their chosen target by sensing their emotional needs. He/She responds on a superficial intellectual level to emotional triggers detected and subsequently manipulates desired responses in the target by deliberately identifying a trigger that will elicit a chosen response.

    A very cruel yet effective psychopathic trick resulting in the birth of an entirely fictitious relationship that by one party is felt very deeply and perceived as real, to the other merely a set of stimuli/response factors to gain a desired result.

    The very framework of this exchange so neatly fits psychopathology it cannot be coincidence, it must have been designed this way. The psychopath is therefore natures very effective emotional predator designed to control and manipulate normal human emotions to compensate for the lack of their own.

    • 05/11/2013 at 12:29 am

      **correction** The very framework of this exchange so neatly fits [this] psychopathology…

    • Kristy
      05/11/2013 at 12:31 am

      I have a sister that is mentally ill. We have participated in a sibling study at NIH regarding the concept that there’s an environment aspect to mental illness. My ill sister is smarter than either myself or my other sibling that participated in the study. I think that like my sister it takes all parties time to figure out the issues because each person only has one piece of the puzzle. Normally interventions don’t occur early and all pieces are put together early.

    • ringadingding
      05/11/2013 at 9:15 am

      Syn, do you think that letter from a sociopath is genuine? I had the sense it was crafted by either a writer who understands psychopathology or a mental health professional who could narrate something like this as though it were a real first person account. Something about it felt made up to me. Just wondering if you found it to be authentic.

      • 05/11/2013 at 10:19 am

        Ringading.. all I know is when I read that.. I immediately thought of this that I had written.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/11/2013 at 12:29 pm

        i thought of that also–almost a sideway curve ball about the ability of lawyers to be outside the norm when it came to emotions and empathy.

    • 05/11/2013 at 9:24 am

      Syntara, this is so helpful and a well thought out explanation for the unexplainable. Thanks 🙂

  29. Kristy
    05/11/2013 at 12:49 am

    HJ Madison :
    Little correction. She can appeal no matter which sentance she gets. The State pays for her 1st appeal if she gets the DP. If that fails, any continuing appeals she pays on her own (or gets it pro bono – that will never happen). LWOP she must pay for all her appeals.
    The living conditions are very different between DP = Death Row and LWOP = where she can live in the general population, have the same “freedoms” as other GP inmates (more visits, much more contact with other humans, probably windows and many more outside hours, much wider selection of commissary, etc.). If she really behaves, she could have a “job” in prison, more access to study, church services with others.
    If the living conditions of LWOP were equivalent to that of Death Row, I think many would be satisfied.

    I agree, you got it right. She loses her drama with LWOP, because no one is likely to take her case on pro bono. Yet, I’d like DP because 1) she deserves it and 2) even if she doesn’t end up dying by DP, she’d at least get the 23 hours a day while she’s young to suffer thinking about what she’s done. I’m hoping for DP, knowing that down the road she’ll get LWOP. Once her fugly hooha can’t spawn and all the inmates are past her novelty.

    • Janna
      05/11/2013 at 12:56 am

      Kristy – I had another outburst of laughter when you referenced “fugly hooha” and “spawn” in the same sentence. Where, oh where, do you come up with this stuff girl?

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/11/2013 at 4:26 am

        All this talk o wobo’sf hooha this early in the morning got me moving about funny. The worst thing, was that I actually followed Janna and Kristi on it and think there might have been something to it. However, I guess the Juanster figured-“enough of that stuff! I’ll stick with the cans and the gun and the phone to show pre-med. I’ll leave her ‘hooha’ to the masses”.

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 1:07 am

      I am not convinced that giving her the DP will eventually result in LWOP. On the contrary, she is, after all, an admitted killer unlike most women on Death Row. I just don’t see much chance of reversal here, given how careful this judge has been.

      She is a danger and should not be allowed to live with other humans ever again. I can only imagine what her manipulative skills could conjure in a general population.

      • Kristy
        05/11/2013 at 1:15 am

        Oh, don’t get me wrong, I think she’s shown what a danger she is to society, and want the DP for her. I just don’t see the DP ever happening given the changes in society towards it. But, I’d love to see her in solitary for 23 hours a day without her golf pencils for a decade or more.

  30. Janna
    05/11/2013 at 12:52 am

    Donavan Bering told another web site the real reason Sandy Arias and her twin sister were turned away from the Lower Buckeye Jail last night is because “all of JA’s visit time is up until Sunday.”

    Is it ok to post the link?

    I have one comment awaiting moderation (see above) regarding another link that I posted. nyccowgirl posted same link. I’m confused and don’t know if I broke a rule.

    Please advise.

    • Kristy
      05/11/2013 at 12:54 am

      Does that mean that WOBO was more interested in seeing a stranger than her own family after her conviction? Another telling sign of how heinous she is. Thanks for nothing family, you didn’t help so I need to go to plan B and you aint a part of it.

      • Janna
        05/11/2013 at 1:02 am

        All the talking heads have been speculating about why the mom and aunt were turned away last night. Donavan gave exclusive interview explaining the reason. She /he hasn’t seen JA. No one is being allowed to visit JA. She used up all her minutes.

    • 05/11/2013 at 12:57 am

      Janna one link goes through

      2 or more puts you in moderation

      Quoting another’s post and you adding a link puts you in moderation

      Quoting another ‘s post that includes a smiley… puts you in moderation

      Probably other ways too but those are the ones off the top of my head.

      • Janna
        05/11/2013 at 1:09 am

        Moochos thank you Syn. I’m getting schooled by witty sandbox associates tonight. Learning about smooth hooha’s (gasp) and how to avoid moderation.

      • HJ Madison
        05/11/2013 at 1:09 am

        I didn’t know about the smiley … another good tip from Syn. 😊.(Since it is unlikely to be quoted!)

      • 05/12/2013 at 1:37 am

        Syn- Im in moderation..how do i get out??? Im scared…am I in trouble? Will I be sent to the corner now? Or booted off here? S.O.S.

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 1:13 am

      Do post the link … I would be interested in seeing. I find it hard to believe that friends have the same visiting rights as family … especially in a jail/hospital with a psych ward. I bet Donoman is covering and WOBO has finally, truly lost control.

      • Janna
        05/11/2013 at 1:21 am

        It does make me wonder if JA used up all her minutes doing the Fox post-verdict interview???

    • ringadingding
      05/11/2013 at 9:28 am

      While I in no way excuse this friend of JA acting as a mouthpiece, I do feel somewhat sorry for her. She’s clearly being preyed upon. This is what’s so troubling about the possibility of LWOP….more needy victims like this individual doing JA’s bidding in the outside world.

  31. Janna
    05/11/2013 at 1:18 am

    Friend says she’s out of visitation hours til Sunday. If Donavan is anything like JA, the story could be BS.


    • Kristy
      05/11/2013 at 1:23 am

      I think it’s very telling that she chooses to spend her limited time with strangers than family.

      • Janna
        05/11/2013 at 1:44 am

        The timing was very poor and insensitive on the part of that greedy Fox 10 news station. The interview should NOT have been aired on the same day the Alexander family finally got justice.

        IMO the reporter and news station dealt a heavy slap in the face to the victim’s family. They provided another forum that allowed JA to spew venom and trash Travis, Juan and the State of Arizona.

  32. 05/11/2013 at 1:44 am

    JA does not desire, and never will, to be redeemed, have a change of heart, or have any sense of remorse/responsibility for her actions. Whether she spends 10-20-30-40 years in jail in LWOP or DR, she will still be the conniving, manipulating, sociopathic individual she is right now. Maybe worse. I think the family should be allowed to choose the punishment; roll of the dice that the DP will stand long enough for JA to be expedited to the Other Side or the certainty that she will be locked away forever. If I was them, I’d choose the LWOP and get all the ‘goodies’ that are perceived in being Christian by not having her executed.

  33. 05/11/2013 at 1:48 am

    NancyB This is the chemical reaction the stimuli/response elicits in the way the psyvhopath (or similarly manipulative character) attaches to it’s target. It is just like any addiction. The reaction [chemically] within the brain is the same. (This is also something I wrote long before hearing of Jodi Arias when attempting to explain why targets find it so hard to extricate themselves from these predators.)

    So this is part 2 of my response to you.

    Outside their sphere of influence you don’t feel as buoyed, you feel down in comparison to being around them. You begin to need their company as much as they seem to need yours, which is a lot.

    When you choose to believe the reassurance, the flattery, the adoration – any doubts are far, far away. You feel calm, comforted when opting for their version of reality, somehow the unnatural becomes ordinary.

    This is intense psychological manipulation. Your brain is learning to associate the effects of being around the psychopath with the psychopath. In other words your brain is becoming addicted to that person’s company. Your very happiness is becoming reliant on him. This is a very dangerous situation. The fiend lacks guilt, empathy and remorse, dependence will be exploited in unimaginably cruel ways.

    Feelings of happiness, euphoria, well being are as much about stimuli as the chemicals released in your brain. One of the main chemicals in this process is serotonin. Research has shown direct correlation with the release of serotonin and mood. When serotonin synthesis is high mood is good, conversely when lacking mood tends towards the negative.

    What the psychopath does is get you addicted to the feeling of being with them using serotonin release. They shower you with affection and devotion, ensure you feel blissfully happy and totally content. By staying at your side constantly, adjusting their persona to mirror all they sense you want, catering to your every whim they make you feel good.

    They massage everything from your feet when they ache to your ego when you’re peeved. The (fake) empathy and support make you feel special you are being turned into an addict.
    Your serotonin levels rise when you hear their words and feel their adoration. So convincing are their contrived affectations they appear unquestioningly genuine. At this stage the only red flag is the behaviour itself, it can feel like it’s too much – beyond the norm. But the predator, your drug dealer, will shrug it off if you mention it. He will ply you with more dope “I don’t want to spend time with anyone else I want to spend it with you, don’t you like spending time with me?”. The addict feels guilty for doubting and is reassured “Of course I love spending time with you”. The dose is accepted, the fix is in.

    Away from their influence, your serotonin levels drop and you feel less fulfilled, you start needing another dose. needing another hit of their company. Only the dealer can make you feel good, nobody else has the same effect, nobody else supplies the same fix, your brain only craves one source.

    This is why it is SO important to stay out of contact with these people once you understand what is happening. Your addiction to them is real, and the very nature of their manipulation ensures your addiction, they are your dealer. They deal out doses of serotonin to make us feel good and when we are not around them start suffering withdrawal symptoms. The longer this goes on the stronger the addiction, the more reliant on the dealer the addict becomes. More severe withdrawal symptoms such as long term depression are not uncommon.

    They possess you, all the while nurturing your addiction to them. Once you become a full blown addict you are willing to overlook anything just to get the fix you need, just to keep them around. Your addiction betrays you.

    The predatory dealer can do almost anything and you will excuse it so long as every now and again they avail themselves to you for your fix. They know this and they abuse you as cruelly as possible then laugh at your pathetic pleas for mercy. Your humiliating appeals for relief, for just one tiny act of kindness.

    You MUST walk away. The only way you can win is walking away and never contacting them again. Until you find the courage to leave they win. You lose your identity, your self esteem and your individuality. You lose YOU.

    • 05/11/2013 at 2:25 am

      Nance hope that gives you a different approach to the same subject…. conclusions remain the same as Kristin’s but I don’t use the Freudian references I use behaviour and brain. I prefer the Jung offshoot to Freud. Personal preference. Jung was Freud’s protege until they had irreconcilable differences. (But you probably know that.)

  34. Tracey A
    05/11/2013 at 1:52 am

    WhereIsSHE – I would love to hear more about your thoughts on the legal aspect(s) of where we are headed here. The psyche behind JA is getting old to me at this point. She is CONVICTED of 1st degree Premeditated Murder. So what I want to know and discuss are purely the legal ramifications of what JA is looking at now. The rest is moot. Please advise, I would appreciate your thoughts here. Look very forward to hearing your input here. And BTW where is Observer or any other legal thinking mind, ie., PK, Observer, Jim or anyone else I have left out.

    • WhereIsSHE
      05/11/2013 at 8:43 pm

      Busy, busy weekend here.
      Haven’t refreshed this page in many hours, but just skimming and saw your question.
      Likely that someone else has answered by now– but at the risk of refreshing the page and losing patience with scrolling…

      Where we are headed now is directly to the next phase of this case, whether Jodi likes it or not.
      She cannot forever delay the proceedings with her antics.

      It is clear to anyone observing now that she was COMPLETELY “FOS” (Full Of Shit) when she told that reporter in her sherriff’s office approved, post-verdict interview that she “wanted” the death penalty.

      Not only has she, yet again, drawn the focus off of her horrific crime and onto her “poor Jodi” bandwagon, but she has clearly approved of her lawyers filing a motion seeking the court to order the victim impact statements be pre-recorded (so that none of the family members engages in some form of outburst, or otherwise impermissible conduct/makes objectionable statements, etc).
      IF she truly WANTED the DP, she would not have orchestrated this psych-ward nonsense, NOR would she have APPROVED (which is NECESSARY, btw) of her attorneys filing this motion.

      Be that as it may…
      Jodi is on her way to the next phase of this trial, whether she likes it or not.
      They have her where THEY want her now.
      She will be attended to with such detail that she will not have any further excuse/card to play.

      It is over for her.
      The aggravation phase will be short and to the point.
      She has ZERO control over that. (And that is driving her behavior the most, IMO.)

      Then… watch her ENJOY the penalty phase, because that is when she gets to present evidence of MITIGATION, which will be comprised of more of the “poor Jodi” type of testimony that she loves the most.

      But never you worry.
      Time is on the state’s side.

      All 12 jurors agreed on PREMEDITATION.
      ALL of them.
      The felony-murder alternative was thrown in just to ensure that all 12 agreed on murder 1.
      Here, you have ALL agreeing on premed, and 7 of the 12 ALSO agreeing on the felony-murder alternative.

      Not only does it not bode well for her (in a DP vs. LWOP situation) that ALL 12 agreed on premeditation, it also does not bode well for her on appeal (in terms of legal arguments about AZ law which permits a jury to be split on how/why, but still agrees on degree of 1st) that are now completely MOOT. (I cannot tell you what a sigh of relief I exhaled when the remainder of the verdict was read and learned that ALL 12 agreed on premeditation.)

      I know there different interpretations about WHY Jodi said she PREFERRED the DP.
      Unlike others, I also know that it is impossible to know, with any degree of CERTAINTY, what she intended (because no matter how educated and experienced one might be, there are absolutely ZERO SCIENTIFIC STUDIES which validate such predictions).
      But I do know this:
      Death Row is the last place ANY person who enjoys even the smallest degree of human contact, feeling clean (daily shower, for example), feeling cared about, feeling appreciated–on ANY level, etc. would EVER wish to spend a single HOUR, let alone an entire DAY.
      (Think about how trapped you feel when, for example, your flight is delayed due to weather–something over which you have NO CONTROL– and you are stuck in the terminal at the airport for just an additional couple of hours. You still have the ability to select and buy an entire range of items, from food, beverages, books, magazines, gadgets, etc. You often still have places to plug in your e-devices to use and/or charge them. You have restrooms with privacy.. and mirrors. You have large windows, showing the outside world so you can see what it going on outside of your “trapped” environmlent. Well, that is a world of delightful freedom to someone who is locked up on death row. And think again… just an additional couple of hours in that terminal becomes a “nightmare!” or “hell on Earth!” to many people who are simply accustomed to having complete freedom to do whatever and go whereever they please.)

      My long-ass point is this:
      I think Jodi knows where this jury is about to send her, and I think she understands that she will be there for YEARS and YEARS before any initial execution date is set (which will not remain the true date), and I think she is intently focused on throwing whatever monkeywrench she has at her disposal into this process.

      The bad news for those who lack a few days patience is that they are going to allow her to, yet again, exasporate them.

      The worse news for Jodi is that she is going where she is going, and there is no escape from it.

      • Moon
        05/11/2013 at 11:21 pm

        ahhhhh how much better you make me feel! Your insight is invaluable! ty ty nice to ‘read’ you again!

  35. Tracey A
    05/11/2013 at 1:56 am

    Hey everybody. Just had to jump in here. Greetings to all.

    • Chrissie A
      05/11/2013 at 2:45 am

      Hey Trace!!! Decided to check in and here you are! I am so with you on this -The main reason I get interested in any trial is for the legal aspects. Not saying that the psyche that is Ariarse was not fascinating, but that is over now, otherwise we are drinking her kool-aid, ’nuff said on that – I’d love some more feedback on the ongoing legalities within the case, especially of what any may think Juantastic has up his sleeve – tx 🙂

      • Tracey A
        05/11/2013 at 2:49 am

        Yeah! I’m sprodiac these days. Glad to see you here Honey! So glad we get it. Where you been?????

      • WhereIsSHE
        05/11/2013 at 9:15 pm

        Hey Chrissie=)
        I think you have been following intently enough to know precisely what Juan has up his sleeve.

        The aggravtor is straight forward in this case. Juan likes to moves things along. Dr. Horn will handle that in short order.

        And, as we all now know from watching the videotaped interviews of Jodi’s parents, there is almost too much fodder r Juan to “play” with on cross of either or both of Jodi’s parents should they be called to testify on her behalf.

        If the grandmother comes in on her behalf… what is with the wheelchair in the courtroom … and then the walking as fast as anyone half her age in the parking lot after the verdict??
        If her sister comes in, well… that would have to be her “stupid” sister, right???
        If her brother, well… I hear he posted on social media (hings that might not be good for his big sis).

        Jodi admitted to cruelty against a FAMILY PET– a DOG, no less.
        Out of pure frustration, no less.


      • WhereIsSHE
        05/11/2013 at 9:29 pm

        And the list goes on.
        Any pysch expert who gets called to testify on her behalf will be subject to the same issues that Juan could raise with each and every family member.

        Now, having said that–
        You certainly don’t want to go overkill (pardon the epression) on this.
        You do not want to call Jodi/portray her to be “the devil carnate”.
        The goal here is to convince the jury that no matter w “nice” she may have been in her past and/or no matter how kindly others might member her and so describe her, the fact that she was CAPABLE of PLANNING and CARRYING OUT such a twisted, hinous and CRUEL murder says more about her NOW than all of whatever grouping of kind words can be said about her from her DISTANT past.

        As for her claims of child abuse at the hands of her mother and father, well… plenty for Juan to cross aut that. The parents deneid it, first of all. There are no records to substantiate any of it, as far as we know. But even if it did take place–and let’s fac eit– SOMETHING went very wrong with this woman at some point– she also has siblings who are not in trouble with the law, etc.

        I also think that it almost doesnt matter what Juan chooses to explore here, because this is such a unique situtaion.
        Jodi TESTIFIED in front of them0-and LIED her ass off in front of them and TO them– for 18 faking days!
        They didn’t believe she was some abuse victim, fighting for her life.
        So what makes anyone think that they will “buy” whatever she is selling to save her life??

        Not looking good for Jodi.

      • WhereIsSHE
        05/11/2013 at 9:33 pm

        lol… or the “devil INcarnate”!
        The program this website employs drives me crazy with the comment box issues!

        I would say that the “devil” was the culprit, except that I am one of the people here who prefer to place my “faith” in SCIENCE vs. religion.

  36. Tracey A
    05/11/2013 at 2:08 am

    The BF played in a golf tourney today so I had some free time on my hands. Just trying to get caught up.

    • Chrissie A
      05/11/2013 at 2:48 am

      He needs to check in with @wild – sent this to him a while back ~giggle~

      • Tracey A
        05/11/2013 at 2:53 am

        OMG! As the BF has to say…the driver is what you have to use to DRIVE! Even though he may Shankappotomas every now and then. LMAO!!!!

  37. 05/11/2013 at 2:29 am

    Janna :
    It does make me wonder if JA used up all her minutes doing the Fox post-verdict interview???

    Oh I thought about that too!

  38. Tracey A
    05/11/2013 at 2:37 am

    Observer!!! Where are you! Please come back please!!! Miss your astute posts. Know you’ve been bothered by what some have posted but please come back!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/11/2013 at 4:31 am

      been saying this for days

  39. 05/11/2013 at 2:38 am

    Janna :
    The timing was very poor and insensitive on the part of that greedy Fox 10 news station. The interview should NOT have been aired on the same day the Alexander family finally got justice.
    IMO the reporter and news station dealt a heavy slap in the face to the victim’s family. They provided another forum that allowed JA to spew venom and trash Travis, Juan and the State of Arizona.


    and..the result… successfully diverted the limelight back onto JA and off the verdict itself. Taking Travis’ and his family’s justice off the main topic and replacing it with Jodistein’s machinations… AGAIN.. which is exactly what it was designed to do.

  40. Susanne Fischer
    05/11/2013 at 2:47 am

    Hello to Robert from Rotterdam and All,
    My apologies, Robert, if you misunderstood my meaning in my previous post. I was merely trying to convey that JA has managed to manipulate and consume so much of my (and many others) time that would now be better spent on my own family and friends so much more well deserving of my attention. I am aware that I ,too, am guilty of negligence for the examples you mention in your reply.
    I don’t believe that I was so much fascinated with JA as with the primitive concept of good vs evil, right vs. wrong, and for dearly wanting a chance to see justice prevail after the CA fiasco.
    JA’s guilty verdict has restored some of my faith in the judicial system.
    Some of us prefer to view and learn from the sandbox from afar, that’s just our nature.
    Certainly this is not meant as a slight or threatening in any manner.
    My sincere thanks again, Donchais, for providing this most excellent sandbox! I have learned so much from so many.
    Cheers, from a fellow Dutchie with deep roots in Goor, Netherlands.

    • Chrissie A
      05/11/2013 at 2:58 am

      Hi Susanne, I agree with you, everyone has become too consumed with Ariarse, which in turn, takes away from the tragedy of the true victims, which is Travis and his family. As I mentioned in a post above, it was fascinating to watch this excuse for a human’s behavior play out, but it has now gotten old for me – I am more interested in the ongoing legal process which is the main reason I get involved in following any trial. Best to you and yours ~hugs~

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/11/2013 at 4:22 am

      Susanne: no need to apologize! You jump in, you open yourself to jabs; It was meant in good fun. You know what I’m saying? Not quite a Dutchie – married to one – but certainly a fan and admirer of the founders of my birth city – Manhattan. Know what I’m saying?

  41. Chrissie A
    05/11/2013 at 3:35 am

    Tracey A :
    Yeah! I’m sprodiac these days. Glad to see you here Honey! So glad we get it. Where you been?????

    Hey Sweets, Missed you! Have you been on Skype lately, or are you still having problems?
    I’ve been busy wrapping up a couple of projects, and checking in here whenever I can which unfortunately has been minimal. BTW did you see that MMD & Juan tied the knot?

    • Janna
      05/11/2013 at 9:55 am

      Juan is sooooo adorable. He’s definitely the REAL deal.

      Little does he & new bride know there’s a flock of females in the Heartland who have enormous crushes on Mr. Juanderful.

  42. Tracey A
    05/11/2013 at 3:46 am

    Yes! I did! Juan and MMD got married! I’m so freaking jealous I’m beside myself!!!!!

    • Chrissie A
      05/11/2013 at 3:56 am

      I see that you have been out and about in your bunny outfit though:

      • Tracey A
        05/11/2013 at 3:58 am

        omg!!! That’s me……

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/11/2013 at 4:22 am

        Chrissie–the Dummies book so great! Sent it to some folks!

      • Chrissie A
        05/11/2013 at 4:27 am

        Tx sweets 🙂 A very good morning to you – I hope the sun is shining on ye!!!

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 9:44 am

        So this is where you’ve been hiding Trace – where’s your pot??? 🙂

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 9:00 am

      Eat your heart out Trace – Chrissie ALWAYS catches everything!!!! 😀 but shoosh, we don’t want the press to find out!!!!!!! 😉

  43. Tracey A
    05/11/2013 at 3:49 am

    Yes I can be on Skype but it is my puters bidding…take your chances here on out.

  44. Tracey A
    05/11/2013 at 3:56 am

    Come’on Chrissie. I dare you to Skype me. Please!!!!

    • Chrissie A
      05/11/2013 at 4:01 am

      This is all I’ve got to say ’bout that

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 9:02 am

        Wow that brings back memories Chrissie – haven’t listened to Jim Croce in ages………………………………….

  45. Tracey A
    05/11/2013 at 4:00 am

    I dare you to day it’s not me!!!! hahhahhahhahhahhaha

  46. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/11/2013 at 4:17 am

    (from today’s NY Times. A judgement of genocide against the former ruler of Guatamala:)

    “The crowd packed into the courtroom was quiet for much of Judge Barrios’s reading. But cries of “Justicia! Justicia!” erupted when she pronounced the lengthy sentence and ordered General Ríos Montt to begin serving it immediately.

    “As the general tried to walk out a side door, Judge Barrios shouted at him to stay where he was and called for security forces. An hour after the verdict and sentence were read, General Ríos Montt was escorted from the courtroom by a dozen police officers. He said he was ready to go to prison”

    No TV interview in Guatamala! No holding room or make-up. Told to stay put and head to prison! Our kind of Judge!

    (also from same paper:a report that the carbon dioxide level on earth is very high):

    “The best available evidence suggests the amount of the gas in the air has not been this high for at least three million years, before humans evolved, and scientists believe the rise portends large changes in the climate and the level of the sea.”

    Notice how this is reported AFTER the Doc and LaGasbag testified?

    • Chrissie A
      05/11/2013 at 4:42 am

      ROTFLMAO!!! Maybe that is why it is having such an effect on the air quality in our lovely Southern California – LeGasbag and Gassner need to be relocated, if they haven’t been already 🙂

  47. Chrissie A
    05/11/2013 at 4:21 am

    Not sure if anyone else has posted this here is a copy of the defendants request that victims evidence be presented via videotape


  48. Chrissie A
    05/11/2013 at 5:01 am

    Copy of the Motion filed on 5-8-13 Defendants request that victim impact evidence be presented via video tape:


    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/11/2013 at 5:44 am

      Congress passes laws which allow the family of victims to testify and speak of them so that the individual lost is not forgotten while juries think of the person who hurt or killed that person..Then the self-interested ‘upper’ courts- who think nothing askew when it takes more than 23 years for an appeal to go through- decide to tell people that “emotion” is not allowed, but “rationality” is. Courts don’t take it further and try to distinguish between a thought and an emotion or try and explain how centuries of thought and artworks have shown that making such a distinction is foolhardy. Thougts and emotions don’t occur in vacuums. They have context and their meaning is determined by the context. The ‘robed ones’ like to think that everything fits into a little box that you can label. Yet another case of tenured people adjusting the “law” to fit an idealized version of what is possible rather than a realistuic version of what is.

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 10:44 am

      I am sick to death of hearing about the right’s of the victim!!! Sick, sick, sick!!!!! The Alexander family has kept quiet and suffered for 5 years and they deserve their time to express their feelings!!!! JM knows what he is doing and will make sure that no rights of the convicted felon are trampled on because this is not his first rodeo.

      If the judge doesn’t have a set to deny this motion then I will be more than happy to purchase a pair for her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😯

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 12:29 pm

        OMG 😳 I mean’t the right’s of the defendant/convicted felon!!! I really hope you guys knew what I TRULY mean’t!!!!

      • 05/12/2013 at 1:37 am

        It’s ok MMD my brain knows to read what should be written not what is written, saw it, brain corrected it, continued reading in correct context.

  49. Tracey A
    05/11/2013 at 5:11 am

    Really! The Americas’ Cup! Come on! Please!!!!!!

  50. Tracey A
    05/11/2013 at 5:33 am

    A Brit just died today. Please be respectful! This is a HUGE big deal to me and my family! Sorry my fellow Brits’s! I am so sorry for your loss! This is a big deal in my family. We have always been a big presence in the America’s Cup!!!! This is a very big deal. I’m so sorry for my fellow Brit’s loss. Andrew Simpson, please rest in peace my friend. My thoughts are with you and your family. I’m so sorry for you and your loss.

  51. Chrissie A
    05/11/2013 at 5:51 am

    A terrible tragedy Trace 😦

  52. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/11/2013 at 5:59 am

    (from today’s Daily News):

    “Docs told parents of autistic child he’d never know how to tie shoelaces – now boy genius has IQ higher than Einstein!”

    Uh oh! Wobo has a competitor who is not in jail…

    • Jay
      05/11/2013 at 10:22 am

      Yeah but the Einstein kid still can’t tie his shoelaces!

  53. Bethany
    05/11/2013 at 9:13 am

    It seems as though Jodi is even chasing her own lawyers away…could it be yet another tactic for manipulating the situation for later grounds of am appeal due to ineffective councel? As stated from Justice4TravisA The State vs Jodi Arias ~ Travis Alexander murder trial
    A family member of the Arias clan reports on her Facebook page that Kirk Nurmi and Jennifer Willmott are trying to withdraw as Arias’ legal council.

    Seeing that this was reported by a close family member, we can safely accept that as truth?

    • Jay
      05/11/2013 at 10:20 am

      Did they link to Facebook page or say who or how close a family member?

      • 05/11/2013 at 1:07 pm

        Jay, there was a link to the facebook page. I looked at it and it seems to be a “real” page but I am not real knowledgeable about such things. Could still just be something put out there to be deliberately misleading. Who knows

  54. 05/11/2013 at 9:24 am

    I’ve finally finished reading the two articles of Katie Cool Lady’s sister murder. I’m floored with emotion. On top of all the horror she has endured, she has been there for the Alexander’s. She is the saint.
    I was struck with this part of her victim impact statement: ‘When the “serial shooter” claimed to desire the death penalty in his sentencing hearing this year, I completely understood what was motivating him — and it most certainly wasn’t a possibility of execution.’

  55. Anonymous
    05/11/2013 at 9:44 am

    JA has been hiding behind all her lies for her whole life.She now is going to be faced with the truth and cannot stand to hear it from the Aleaxnder’s. She says to the media that she wants them to have peace.Really then why not face them,this would be the ultimate peace they can ever have is facing you and talking to you.JA will fight to the bitter end to avoid punishment and will never tell the truth.Just like Jeffery McDonald.

    • Jay
      05/11/2013 at 10:33 am

      Arias doesn’t care what the family says about her, water off the psycho-duck’e back.
      And almost certainly the request for recorded victim statements was initiated by the lawyers – who at the time they filed it were trying to save her life. Now, after the tv interview, which caught them unaware, don’t be surprised to see them file a new motion to provide the Alexanders with a high tech amplification system for their statements, and audio tapes for dramatic background music.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/11/2013 at 12:34 pm


    • Janna
      05/11/2013 at 10:37 am

      For 18 days the Alexander family had to endure hours and hours of Wobo lies and psycho tales. Wobo assassinated the character of Travis Alexander from the witness stand, drug his name to Hell and back, and delighted in every cruel moment.

      BOMBSHELL!! Unleash the family!!

      It’s time to turn the tables on the cowardly murderess. The Alexanders have a legal right to speak their truth and to be heard. Pay backs are a biatch Hodi. You are being held accountable for the murder and suffering of Travis Victor Alexander. It was your CRIME! You own it.

  56. Crystal Harris
    05/11/2013 at 10:37 am

    Just want to say Hi to everyone! I’m so bored waiting til Wednesday for Aggravation!

    • Jay
      05/11/2013 at 10:50 am

      Hi Crystal – if you’re really bored, the Players Golf Tourament is on Golf Channel now, and you can watch KJ Choi warm up on the range right now. Un oh, DUCK he just sliced one into the crowd!

      • Crystal Harris
        05/11/2013 at 11:10 am

        Hi Jay. I think I’d rather watch HLN than watch golf! 🙂 Actually today I’m taking my mom to a Chocolate Festival at our local Botanical Gardens. Happy Mother’s Day to all the mommies out there and let’s all be grateful Jodi never procreated!

      • Jay
        05/11/2013 at 12:00 pm

        Horrible Soap Opera Scenario:
        While in prison she somehow gets pregnant!
        The Devil’s Spawn In Cellblock Nine.

        DR. PHIL: And how did you accomplish that?
        DONOVAN: I convinced a sperm donor to give me a sample in a test tube, and bribed one of my lady-friend prison guards to smuggle it in during cell inspection.
        DR. PHIL: And who was the donor?
        DONOVAN: I’ve sworn a death oath of secrecy.
        DR. PHIL: How about a hint?
        DONOVAN: OK. he’s tall, has a big belly, a stooped posture like a penguin, and a tattoo on his arm that says, “I Object Your Honor.”

    • 05/11/2013 at 11:53 am

      Crystal, I love the way you worded that!

    • Commerce1
      05/11/2013 at 12:53 pm

      Hi, Crystal. I saw your episode of “Who the Bleep Did I Marry.” I’m so sorry for what you went through and are going through. But good for you for taking action to change the law and help others. And good for you for fighting for your sons.

      • Crystal Harris
        05/11/2013 at 9:18 pm

        Thank you. I appreciate that. I think my Dateline NBC episode is supposed to air this Wednesday. I also have oral arguments at the Appeals Court this Wednesday regarding custody…so a big week for me.

      • Commerce1
        05/12/2013 at 1:04 am

        Then Crystal, I will most definitely be thinking of you and rooting for you this week! I hope all goes well.

        I myself will be applying for a restraining order on my son’s behalf on Monday, as his sociopathic father (my ex) physically and verbally attacked him Thursday morning. My 11 year old’s crime was not leaping out of bed the moment he woke him up for school. This could be the event that finally ends visitation.

  57. Jay
    05/11/2013 at 10:42 am

    This guy was on Arizona Death Row for 26 years before he decided to end it himself:


  58. 05/11/2013 at 11:04 am

    HJ Madison :
    Here are the links that Nienna provided to KatieCoolLady’s story and a copy of her statement to a later hearing regarding her sisters killer. Hope I can put 2 links up.

    Thanks so much for posting HJ!

    • 05/11/2013 at 11:10 am

      Thank you Nienna as well! Trying to get caught up and I missed that u did initial post.

  59. Jay
    05/11/2013 at 11:19 am

    AZCENTRAL.COM Poll Results on Verdict

    My reaction to the first-degree murder verdict against Jodi Arias is:

    Elation. Justice has been served! 45.55% (2,352 votes)

    Shock. I thought she’d be acquitted. 4.01% (207 votes)

    Relief. This darn trial is almost over! 37.48% (1,935 votes)

    Indifference. Who’s Jodi Arias? 12.96% (669 votes)

    Total Votes: 5,163

  60. HJ Madison
    05/11/2013 at 12:10 pm

    The DT tries to get the Death Penalty Dismissed following interview and just before Aggravator phase began. This a a cut and paste … hope it works!

    CR2008-031021-001 DT
    JODI ANN ARIAS (001)
    State’s Attorney: Defendant’s Attorney: Defendant:
    Court Reporter:
    CLERK OF THE COURT C. McCain Deputy
    Juan Martinez
    Kirk Nurmi and Jennifer Willmott Present
    Robin Bobbie

    12:47 p.m. Trial to Jury continues from 05/08/2013.
    Court convenes in chambers with Counsel for the Defendant only.
    Discussion is held.
    12:53 p.m. Matter concludes.
    1:00 p.m. Court convenes in chambers with Defendant and Counsel for the Defendant present.
    Counsel for the Defendant moves to dismiss the death penalty option.
    CR2008-031021-001 DT
    Discussion is held.
    IT IS ORDERED denying the motion.
    1:14 p.m. Matter concludes.
    1:16 p.m. Court convenes in chambers with Defendant, Counsel for the Defendant, Counsel for the State and victim next of kin present.
    Discussion is held.
    IT IS ORDERED continuing the aggravation phase from this date to 05/15/2013 at 10:00 a.m.
    IT IS ORDERED sealing the in chambers hearing not to be transcribed until the conclusion of the trial.
    2:02 p.m. Matter concludes.
    This case is eFiling eligible: http://www.clerkofcourt.maricopa.gov/efiling/default.asp. Attorneys are encouraged to review Supreme Court Administrative Order 2011-140 to determine their mandatory participation in eFiling through AZTurboCourt.

    • 05/11/2013 at 12:25 pm

      Thanks! Finally something definitive!!!

      Now… what was the 1:14 – 2:02 matter about? Any ideas?

      Why ordered continuing the aggravation phase from 15 May, 10:00am? Not immediately? This non release of info is aggravating!!! No wonder it’s called the aggravation stage.

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 12:31 pm

        that’s because Dr. Horn wasn’t available!!! You keeping him busy Syn 🙄

      • HJ Madison
        05/11/2013 at 12:36 pm

        I just don’t know. I wish we knew more about the physical setup of “chambers”. Normally it is just an office, but this is a brand new courthouse so I wonder if they designed “chambers” to be more accomodating to different parties with hugely dfferent opinions.

        I can not imagine WOBO would give the Alexander’s a moment of satisfaction by seeing her come unglued. On the other hand, she must have been in quite a state to get court postponed and transferred back to the psych ward. Just don’t know ….

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 12:50 pm

        It is really not the judge’s chambers per se. She has an office on an another floor. It is more of a conference room that they use. All she basically has in behind is a changing hall to get into her robe.

    • Family of Law
      05/11/2013 at 2:22 pm

      HJ, Thank you for posting this! It’s amazing to me (but shouldn’t be) that less than 12 hours after JA (make up at the ready), says during that interview, “I just want death, the ultimate freedom”- the DT scrambles for a motion to shelf the DP… I’ve lost count of how many times she has said that she wants to die- how many times have we heard her say, “I was going to commit suicide”? so, geez JA, why fight so hard to vacate the DP?
      Also in reference to Judges chambers- When my Dad was a judge in Chicago, he had “Private Chambers”, it was a large office that was his personal area. In close proximity to the courtrooms, he also had use sterile looking offices that all judges used for “in chambers” meetings with counsel, etc.

  61. HJ Madison
    05/11/2013 at 12:20 pm

    So, DT in chambers alone with Judge for 5 minutes. Then, 7 minutes later, DT and JA are in chambers and discuss motion to dismiss the death penalty. This lasts about 15 minutes and the judge deny’s the motion. Finally, Juan and the family, along with Jodi and the DT, are in chambers and there is a 45 minute discussion. Judge seals it all and orders court to resume on Wednesday, next week, at 10 am. What do you suppose they talked about for 45 minutes. ?? How can this family be so strong?

  62. 05/11/2013 at 12:34 pm

    MMD :
    that’s because Dr. Horn wasn’t available!!! You keeping him busy Syn ” alt=”:roll:” class=”wp-smiley” scale=”0″>

    But Dr Horn was there at 2:02 He was there that afternoon. I can understand maybe he isn’t available Monday or Tuesday.. but why couldt they continues from 2:02 it seems like it was something else.

  63. HJ Madison
    05/11/2013 at 12:38 pm

    And … get this one … our favorite Troy the Reporter bought WOBO makeup so he was sure she would do the interview! Where is that PUKE emoticon?? PUKE PUKE!

    • 05/11/2013 at 12:41 pm

      🙄 how sickening. yes we need a puke emoticon.. and a crosseyes one as well often need that!

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 1:17 pm

        hear darlin’ I’ll share my hurl bucket ****passing bucket*****

      • 05/11/2013 at 1:18 pm

        lol!!! thank you!!!! (I think) hope it wasn’t pre-used! 😛

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 1:22 pm

        nope it came pre-sterilized 😆

    • Jay
      05/11/2013 at 1:45 pm


    • Jill
      05/11/2013 at 1:52 pm

      Are u joking or did he really do this?

  64. 05/11/2013 at 12:40 pm

    HJ Madison :
    I just don’t know. I wish we knew more about the physical setup of “chambers”. Normally it is just an office, but this is a brand new courthouse so I wonder if they designed “chambers” to be more accommodating to different parties with hugely different opinions.

    Thanks HJ .. yeh it is all very frustrating especially since we are given so little information from the court. But thank you for finding the the death penalty dismissal motion. That was soo helpful to finally have something authorative.

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 12:51 pm

      see above about layout.

      • HJ Madison
        05/11/2013 at 12:53 pm

        How the hell do you know that Miss Smarty Pants?? Pillow talk? No seriously …. do tell😉

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 1:07 pm

        HJ darlin’ – I pay attention and get info from so many places. I’m not on twitter but it’s amazing what you can find out from some of the local reporter’s tweets. I never reveal my sources though 🙄

  65. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/11/2013 at 12:44 pm

    I dont know what they talked about, but the thought of having the family in chambers with wobo is so disturbing to me. All I can think about is that stupid move to have them sit behind her in the jury box–surely one of the high points of Judge Stephens impotence regarding control of the court. Do they look at her? Whisper things under their breath? It must be so tempting to want to reach out and just strangle her in the chambers.

    • 05/11/2013 at 12:47 pm

      especially if she is pulling some kind of psyche evaluation act.. not saying she was.. but can you imagine them having to watch that crap? I can’t …. I can’t imagine how difficult it would be to even be in the same room as her.

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 12:51 pm

      No kidding! I have to believe the family sits behind everyone so that WOBO can not see their reactions, nor they see her ugly face. May be why the family did not seem so troubled sitting behind her during that eyeball reflection hearing. Fortunately, the judge moved Wilnot and WOBO so that was short lived.

    • Beans
      05/11/2013 at 1:32 pm

      i think that is the most egregious thing that stephens has done.

    • Kathy A.
      05/11/2013 at 2:19 pm

      I hope the family either stares her down, because they know she won’t look at them, or completely ignores her. It would be so tempting to physically hurt her, though, or even taunt her: “What was it you said again? Mark your words…come on, say it. Say it. No jury would ever convict you? Who’s winning now, biatch?”

  66. Commerce1
    05/11/2013 at 12:47 pm

    Syn – what is the address for your website?

    • 05/11/2013 at 12:50 pm

      click my name under the avatar

      • Commerce1
        05/11/2013 at 12:56 pm

        Thank you! Looks like I have some reading to do!!! 🙂

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 1:10 pm

        Really interesting reading Commerce 😀

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 1:10 pm

        cause Syn truly knows what she’s talking about!!!!

  67. 05/11/2013 at 12:56 pm

    HJ…how long do you (from any experience you can draw from) expect this aggravation phase to take.. (sans delays)?

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 1:04 pm

      As I understand the process in AZ, the actual aggravation phase …. not long at all. The only point is to show “cruelty”. There will be quick opening statements, JM will call Dr. Handsome only to say that Travis was alive during part (or most) of the attack and suffered greatly. DT will attempt to diffuse. I don’t think DT has anyone lined up to rebut. Then quick closing statements. Jury deliberates and comes back answering one question – was the killing cruel. If so, then we go on to penalty phase. So, aggravator should be nothing more than a day. Penalty will be much longer.

      • 05/11/2013 at 1:08 pm

        Ok thanks (again)

        …. so by that Dr Horn could well have finished his part for the prosecution at least.. between 2:02 and end of normal day or at least made a significant dent in it? Is that a safe assumption?

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 1:08 pm

        They figured that they would be finished in the Friday afternoon session and either have a verdict or else be in another verdict watch – so not long at all.

        I keep telling ya that I pay attention to everything. I’m not just another pretty face ya know 😉

      • Commerce1
        05/11/2013 at 1:13 pm

        HJ – This is why I believe the aggravation phase being postponed until Wednesday is not that big of a deal. Sure, it fuels speculation, but I believe it was nothing more than that it was too late in the day on Thursday to proceed by the time all the in chambers stuff was wrapped up, the court is closed on Friday, and Dr. Hottie is not available until Wednesday. Simple as that.

        As for Jodi being in the psych ward, I understand that is standard protocol given the fact she was just convicted of a crime which may include the death penalty and particularly after she went on the record as saying she would prefer death. It simply is the best place to keep her until she is sentenced and moved to the security of death row.

        I don’t believe any psych evals are being conducted. It’s simply a secure place to contain heron suicide watch.

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 1:14 pm

        correction – Thursday afternoon session. (all off on my days since we had court the previous Friday)

      • HJ Madison
        05/11/2013 at 1:20 pm

        Yep … done. The DT has no place to go here. Too bad Wilnot worked so hard during sur-sur rebuttal making the point that TA was shot first and remained alive and mobile. She can’t have it both ways now — if he was alive enough to “hurt poor little Jodi”, he was alive enough to feel excruciating pain. I keep thinking about the last time I smacked my head on something — imagine, imagine having a blade whack into your scalp and skull a couple times and she continues! … just beyond comprehension!

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 1:24 pm

        And let’s all pray that it stays beyond our comprehension because it is too heinous to even try and imagine!!!!!!

      • Kathy A.
        05/11/2013 at 2:27 pm

        This was such a heinous murder, it seems like JA was thinking about it for a long time. Not specifically killing Travis at first – but killing someone.

  68. CC ...
    05/11/2013 at 1:08 pm

    Good afternoon, kids!
    I hope everyone is having a lovely weekend.
    Continuing on HJ’s theme … makeup brought for the succubus’s interview … did you happen to notice how Miss Heinous sounds like an adult woman in the voicemail …”a deal is a deal and I’m a woman of my word” (barf)… YET … once the makeup is on, the lipgloss applied and the camera starts rolling, she reverts back to the 12 year old little girl, innocent and sweet lilting voice. I remember the contrast to how she was testifying … and testifying … and testifying… and when the police interrogation videos came out I was shocked at how much higher pitch her voice was in them—-when she was trying to flirt/get her way with Det. Flores. And here “it” goes again…….. This creature is soooo manipulative—- I truly think solitary confinement would really be the best option but since the only semblance of that would be all those years waiting for an appeal on DR… then I guess I would settle for that.

    • 05/11/2013 at 1:17 pm

      Hi CC… **waves** yeah she’s just disgusting.

      • CC ...
        05/11/2013 at 1:19 pm

        Waves to you, honey!
        I need to get a grip … the visceral reaction I get from her is beyond words. Thank God you guys are here to settle my nerves. TY. 🙂

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 1:34 pm

      Hello CC … I ate my Kit Kat and thought of you! 😄. I guess people are pretty outraged in AZ about the interview. As I have thought about it …. too bad the reporter did not hold it until after the jury was completely done. Imagine all the hype that TV station would have enjoyed. Gees, the only reason I watched Dateline was to see their “never before seen interview” — which was literally nothing!

      And MMD is completely correct when she says Jodi will be running that place if she gets LWOP. I do not support the DP, but I see no other way to protect others from her … she is so cunning and manipulative.

      Sundance Channel has a new interesting series called “Rectify” (fictional) about a guy sent to DR when he was 18 and spent 19 years there until his conviction was “vacated”, leaving him still under suspicion of the murder, but “free”. I watched yesterday to get caught up … rather slow but a good depiction of what life on DR will be like. And that is where JA belongs, without question.

      • CC ...
        05/11/2013 at 1:38 pm

        Hey, doll — another kit Kay, eh? Well, what are we to do without Syn sending us those Tim Tams! Hmph!!! (Please imagine me tapping my foot for greater effect). 😉

        Yep…DR to protect others is right. Frankly, even that is too good for her.

    • NancyB
      05/11/2013 at 6:11 pm

      CC – you are 100% correct! When I heard the interview with that sickening “little girl” baby voice I filled the entire barf bag next to me at the ready.

  69. MMD
    05/11/2013 at 1:19 pm

    Afternoon CC… ******waves***** I agree Death Row is the only place suitable for her. If she gets LWOP she’d be running the place in the not too distant future.

    • CC ...
      05/11/2013 at 1:22 pm

      Hey honey … Waving back. 🙂
      Yep. Lock her ass up and throw away the key. I just wish the reporters did not give her a forum to spew. Sigh.

  70. 05/11/2013 at 1:22 pm

    ringadingding :
    While I in no way excuse this friend of JA acting as a mouthpiece, I do feel somewhat
    sorry for her. She’s clearly being preyed upon. This is what’s so troubling about the possibility of LWOP….more needy victims like this individual doing JA’s bidding in the outside world.

    Yes, exactIy! I think many,including myself, r very concerned about her continue d dangerous behavior while in the open population.

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 1:26 pm

      I would be surprised if DonoMan is even allowed to have contact with JA anymore since they are now both convicted felons. Just another person used, abused and discarded!

      • 05/11/2013 at 1:31 pm

        let”s hope not!!!

      • 05/11/2013 at 1:32 pm

        oops that she cant have contact with her that is. 😳

  71. Beans
    05/11/2013 at 1:25 pm

    prompted by a comment i read on eggtree i’d like to put a question to all the women here – how many of you would like to skip all the legal bullshit and simply be put in a room with stabby where you could beat her senseless – or worse.

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 1:26 pm

      Me, me, me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 1:27 pm

        but I’d want her to really suffer and I’d want the Alexander family to be able to watch, if they wanted!!!!!

    • 05/11/2013 at 1:33 pm

      not me.. I want to interview her and get some answers!

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 1:38 pm

        Syn ya now she’s never gonna tell you the truth. All you need to do is go in there with a massive, really, really dull needle and make sure the execution is as painful as possible!!!

      • 05/11/2013 at 1:43 pm

        I dont need the truth.. I understand Jodispeak

      • HJ Madison
        05/11/2013 at 1:41 pm

        Even after you were finished? I would just like to poke her eyes out with her golf pencil! 😖

      • 05/11/2013 at 1:43 pm

        lol I’d leave you to it!! 😀

      • Beans
        05/11/2013 at 1:43 pm

        syn, i kinda get that but don’t we already know all we need to know about psychos? there is no cure so all we can do is cull the herd.

    • Commerce1
      05/11/2013 at 1:34 pm

      I have to admit, I would love to be put in a room with her so I could tell her exactly who and what she is – because I think there is nothing worse for a sociopath than to be told you know exactly what they are and you aren’t being fooled. However, I don’t think I could beat the crap out of even her – it’s just not in me. But I do think I could push the needle on her if someone asked me to. Because I do believe it is just punishment for what she did to Travis and his family.

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 1:47 pm

        I couldn’t seriously physically harm her but I would love to give her the needle!!! I’d even happily get over my fear of needles to do that 😀

    • ringadingding
      05/11/2013 at 2:25 pm

      Nah, I wouldn’t want to give her the satisfaction of creating violence in me. I also wouldn’t want her to see me, but I would like her to hear me laughing every time she lets loose one of her gems…because, aside from the hideousness of what she’s done, I find her comments and rationale (such as wanting to avoid all this harm to Travis by offering a plea deal) hilarious.

      • Beans
        05/11/2013 at 3:08 pm

        that’s one facet i find really despicable about her story – she only lied to protect travis’ reputation – then says anything to trash him.

    • Kathy A.
      05/11/2013 at 2:30 pm

      Count me in. I wanted to do that to her all through the trial.

  72. 05/11/2013 at 1:25 pm

    Syntara :
    Janna one link goes through
    2 or more puts you in moderation

    Quoting another’s post and you adding a link puts you in moderation
    Quoting another ‘s post that includes a smiley… puts you in moderation
    Probably other ways too but those are the ones off the top of my head.

    What does ” moderation” mean in this context? Tx

    • 05/11/2013 at 1:35 pm

      Lisa.. it is when a comment you post in goes to Donchais for approval rather than coming through to the board instantly.. in other words Donchais has to moderate (monitor and approve) it.

  73. 05/11/2013 at 1:30 pm

    HJ Madison :
    Yep … done. The DT has no place to go here. Too bad Wilnot worked so hard during sur-sur rebuttal making the point that TA was shot first and remained alive and mobile. She can’t have it both ways now — if he was alive enough to “hurt poor little Jodi”, he was alive enough to feel excruciating pain. I keep thinking about the last time I smacked my head on something — imagine, imagine having a blade whack into your scalp and skull a couple times and she continues! … just beyond comprehension!

    I know.. I KNOW!!!!!

    …. also in line with that same line of questioning… I keep thinking about her referencing his head being up in that second last photo. Where he is on the carpet to the bedroom and the tiles.. where basically he had finally collapsed and blood is spewing from his neck over his shoulder.. …. The one where it looks like she could be holding his head up and just finished or in the process of slicing his neck open.. and Willmot trying to use THAT pic to make some point.. what??? that being alive he was a threat to Jodi???? In THAT pic????

    I have no idea what point she thought she was making.. but whatever it was I can’t for the life of me figure it out.

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 1:36 pm

      Neither can I. Probably just more obfuscation and confusion for the jury. Gidget truly is such a twit!!!

      • ringadingding
        05/11/2013 at 2:29 pm

        That’s all I can come up with, too. It’s all innuendo. Similar to when she was crossing Dr. D and implying that Lenore Walker no longer uses her 6 points to identify battered woman syndrome.

  74. CC ...
    05/11/2013 at 1:32 pm

    Wilmott can’t figure it out either…fret not. She is such a dolt! And annoying one at that.

  75. MMD
    • 05/11/2013 at 1:42 pm

      That articlle shows immediate bias by using the term “notoriety” instead of fame, popularity or publicity.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/11/2013 at 2:22 pm

        I agree.

    • 05/11/2013 at 1:44 pm

      Quite the change from when all the talking heads on HLN were bashing him for being too harsh. Hmmmm

  76. 05/11/2013 at 1:45 pm

    Beans :
    syn, i kinda get that but don’t we already know all we need to know about psychos? there is no cure so all we can do is cull the herd.

    NOoooooo there is so much more that could be got out of her. I want more about her childhood.. I want more about her teens. I want more about that day at Travis’

    • Beans
      05/11/2013 at 1:57 pm

      got it. i want to know everything too. i’m not promoting violence, just curious about the frustration/anger people are experiencing.

      • 05/11/2013 at 2:01 pm

        Beans… I just gots ta know!! I have a pretty good idea of how I think it went down.. but I want stuff from her to back it up.. even if she inadvertently tells me.. which is what I would expect.. never would expect straight answers.. just like she told sooooo much in those vids with Flores.. That vid 2 was absolutely rivetting and told me all about her relationship with the Hughes’ long before we heard it from them.

        Scary I can understand Jodispeak so clearly.

      • Jill
        05/11/2013 at 2:06 pm

        Syn, even tho u think u know how things “went down”, I think even you would even b surprised! There is no method of madness to people like her. Given the chance to study her personally, She might reveal an absolutely different murder scenario than anyone of us(even those in the psychology field) could imagine!

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 2:21 pm

        Jill that wouldn’t surprise me in the least. That’s why I wish scientists could examine her brain that is kept in formaldehyde. I know Syn, they have to be alive, but maybe the scientific community needs to come up with new tests just so they can study JA’s DEAD brain!!!

      • Jill
        05/11/2013 at 8:39 pm

        Hi mmd, I don’t see any reason why they can’t test her brain while she’s alive. Just strap her down and slice her head open…this would a fair settlement between the dp and life in prison…

    • Moon
      05/11/2013 at 9:00 pm

      and more of her relationships… esp darryl and darryls son jack……

    • 05/12/2013 at 5:04 am

      I wish we could give her a heavy duty dose of truth serum and ask her all the questions she want! From her childhood, teens, relationships with men, Travis’s murder…whatever we want. They really should start using the serum. Especially on people like Jodi.

  77. CC ...
    05/11/2013 at 1:46 pm

    HJ Madison :
    Even after you were finished? I would just like to poke her eyes out with her golf pencil! 😖

    Just letting you know it would take a bit longer than you’re thinking, though … With that one wandering eye and all. 😉

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 1:49 pm

      ROFL too funny CC 😆

    • 05/11/2013 at 1:49 pm

      lol I’d love to see her sitting there with those little pencils sticking out of her eyes.. sorry sorry sorry I know that’s so unprofessional!!!….. but… my pusscat made me say it!! 😀

      • CC ...
        05/11/2013 at 1:52 pm

        Please do not apologize, it’s an appropriate visual … I like it, I like it. 🙂

      • HJ Madison
        05/11/2013 at 1:56 pm

        And that required bladder relief, lest I wee my pants while laughing! What an image!!! I hope Chrissie can make one up for us, with that shite eating smirk on her face and golf pencils sticking out of her eyes!

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 2:00 pm

        don’t forget the poker that needs to go into that small opening in her lips 😉

      • 05/11/2013 at 2:02 pm

        lol!!! so we’ll leave that one to you? will it be a hot poker? rhetorical!! 😛

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 1:51 pm

      Soooooo right!!! ROFLMAO!

  78. HJ Madison
    05/11/2013 at 1:50 pm

    Hmmmm… hard to imagine Juan working as a defense attorney. I would hope, if he really wants to leave, he writes a book about his two DR convictions. I like that he is going after the former cop who killed a guy AND HIS DOG!

    • 05/11/2013 at 1:54 pm

      oh I hope some really good documentary program takes the time to interview Juan regarding this case…. and/or he writes the book HJ.. I’d have 10 copies at least. Maybe webslueths blogtalk could give him the whole 3 hours!!! can you imagine how many would be listening?

    • CC ...
      05/11/2013 at 1:55 pm

      It is hard to imagine it but I would respect his decision, whatever it may be … he has shown such compassion for the Alexander family and it is genuine.

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 2:03 pm

      I truly cannot see him, after 25 years, becoming a defense attorney. Judge maybe, but not a defense attorney. He is way tooooooooooooo passionate about getting to the truth and justice!!!! It truly is his passion, his life and it’s so obvious that he thoroughly enjoys doing it!!!!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/11/2013 at 2:26 pm

      Juan likes dogs I bet. People say he’s like a bull terrier? Wait till they see him defending that terrier in death! The guy may think about killing the other guy but when Juan is through with him, he’ll probably wish he never saw a dog in his life.

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 2:35 pm

        I kept telling Syn that he loves my babies but she is in true denial. Yep, that dog will get justice the same as his unarmed owner will!!!!!!!

  79. MMD
    05/11/2013 at 1:58 pm


    OK, I have to tell you guys that I have the most awesome children. Today I received for Mother’s Day 2 dozen red and white tulips, complete with sparkles of course. A card that they had made with 3 separate photos on the front and 3 on the inside telling me what a wonderful Mama I am. They also gave me an 8 X 10 black frame that has a glass centre and has our initial at the top, along with each of their names and our last name on the bottom. There’s some other neat background work on there as well. This was all wrapped in white paper, red ribbon and of course the black frame, since those are my colours (if ya check the wedding photo ya’ll notice the white roses although the red is hidden). All sent with love, licks, sniffs and kisses!!! 😀

    What can I say, my kids all have higher IQ’s that JA and they never miss an occasion!!! 🙂

    • CC ...
      05/11/2013 at 2:00 pm

      Awwwww … How cute!

    • Jill
      05/11/2013 at 2:02 pm

      Awww! Precious! These r the things that we live for..I can tell u r a wonderful mom!

    • 05/11/2013 at 2:05 pm

      Oh MMD Im so thrilled for you!!! How gorgeous!

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 2:05 pm

      A well deserved gift for their wonderful mama (this is from your little doggies…right?) I wish my girls, er kitties, were so clever!

    • Beans
      05/11/2013 at 2:11 pm

      happy mother’s day mmd,

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 2:12 pm

      Thank you guys. 😳 They are really good and most of the time I never know who is behind it. They know that I have a tough time in May because I lost my Dad on the 5th, Mother’s Day is usually the following weekend and then the following weekend would be my parent’s birthdays, the 21st and 22nd. Just a sucky month for me as I’m sure everyone has a bad month in their life. My babies just always manage to make it a bit easier 😀

  80. Beans
    05/11/2013 at 2:02 pm

    have hln on and just saw a replay of det.flores telling stabby she doesn’t want to go up against juan martinez – hah.

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 2:05 pm

      She should have listened but nooooooooooooooo, she thought she could fool everyone 😉

    • 05/11/2013 at 2:06 pm

      that’s etched in my brain! 😀

    • ringadingding
      05/11/2013 at 2:34 pm

      What struck me in that exchange was the way she said it sounded like they had enough against her that they wouldn’t need someone like him. Trying to manipulate who would be her prosecutor came so quickly and naturally to her, it was fascinating to watch.

  81. 05/11/2013 at 2:08 pm

    I dont suppose this next case of Juan’s will be streamed? darn it! I demand all his cases be streamed from now on!!

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 2:13 pm

      Me too!!!!!!!!!!!!! I so love watching him in action 😯

      • 05/11/2013 at 2:14 pm

        seriously.. leaving that one alone!!!

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 2:36 pm

        posted the comment that way especially for you Syn 😉

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 2:14 pm

      It might be streamed on one of the local tv stations, ya never know.

      • 05/11/2013 at 2:19 pm

        fingers crossed the tv stations realise there might be some money in it for them then they will

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 2:24 pm

        Well the next major one that will be covered nationally will be the Trayvon Martin case in Florida but yet donchais will be able to watch her case on a local live stream so there is a chance.

  82. 05/11/2013 at 2:10 pm

    Syntara :
    Lisa.. it is when a comment you post in goes to Donchais for approval rather than coming through to the board instantly.. in other words Donchais has to moderate (monitor and approve) it.

    Thanks so much Syn! I’ve been on a couple of animal blogs and cooking blogs but in the past but wasn’t aware of the operational issues involved.

  83. HJ Madison
    05/11/2013 at 2:14 pm

    So Syn …. if you did interview WOBO, would you expect to get anything at all truthful? Seriously. I ask because with my personal WOBO it is as though she is not at all even capable of seeing a situation for what it is. Even when you lay out facts. That is what makes her so infuriating to deal with!

    • Jill
      05/11/2013 at 2:15 pm

      Hi syn, I posted this above but I wanted to put it here so u can see it…

      Syn, even tho u think u know how things “went down”, I think even you would even b surprised! There is no method of madness to people like her. Given the chance to study her personally, She might reveal an absolutely different murder scenario than anyone of us(even those in the psychology field) could imagine!

      • 05/11/2013 at 2:21 pm

        absolutely … I would never put anything passed her.

    • Beans
      05/11/2013 at 2:22 pm

      to a pro non answers provide info too. i have two kids, son and daughter. my daughter is very much like stabby although as far as i know, she hasn’t murdered anyone. we’re estranged ’cause i refuse to allow her to pull me into her void anymore.

      • 05/11/2013 at 2:25 pm

        Beans… my heart goes out to you. I could not imagine what you have been through.

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 2:27 pm

        It’s tough to deal with when it’s your own child Beans but you did the smart thing with your daughter. Truly!!!

        Raining your way today???

    • 05/11/2013 at 2:23 pm

      HJ.. it would not be straight forward.. it would be a matter of ‘playing’ fortunately it’s my forte. It’s actually why do what I do ..

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/11/2013 at 2:47 pm

        Although Ive oftentimes imagined strangling her and I dreamt once of decapitating her in court, I think if I actually was in her presence, I think I’d ignore her. Jusy show nothing. Not even uninterest. I’d try for disintetrest.

  84. 05/11/2013 at 2:18 pm

    Syntara :

    HJ Madison :

    Yep … done. The DT has no place to go here. Too bad Wilnot worked so hard during sur-sur rebuttal making the point that TA was shot first and remained alive and mobile. She can’t have it both ways now — if he was alive enough to “hurt poor little Jodi”, he was alive enough to feel excruciating pain. I keep thinking about the last time I smacked my head on something — imagine, imagine having a blade whack into your scalp and skull a couple times and she continues! … just beyond comprehension!

    I know.. I KNOW!!!!!
    …. also in line with that same line of questioning… I keep thinking about her referencing his head being up in that second last photo. Where he is on the carpet to the bedroom and the tiles.. where basically he had finally collapsed and blood is spewing from his neck over his shoulder.. …. The one where it looks like she could be holding his head up and just finished or in the process of slicing his neck open.. and Willmot trying to use THAT pic to make some point.. what??? that being alive he was a threat to Jodi???? In THAT pic????
    I have no idea what point she thought she was making.. but whatever it was I can’t for the life of me figure it out.

    The lacerations on the bottom of his feet would be horribly painful due to the abundance of nerve endings!

  85. 05/11/2013 at 2:33 pm

    HJ Madison :
    So Syn …. if you did interview WOBO, would you expect to get anything at all truthful? Seriously. I ask because with my personal WOBO it is as though she is not at all even capable of seeing a situation for what it is. Even when you lay out facts. That is what makes her so infuriating to deal with!

    HJ.. this is my forte. It’s why I want to do it!!!

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 2:49 pm

      I understand. I will say after years of dealing with my WOBO I can finally detect what is truthful and what is a lie, coming out of her mouth. As tragic as it is, it is a fascination to watch her! She only became a physical threat in the last few years, as more and more of cunning and deception was uncovered. But, sadly, she has a teenage kid. I am in a real quandary about the teenager. I can’t have contact until she is over 18, but I sure see her as a carbon copy of her mother …. scares me!

      • 05/11/2013 at 2:54 pm

        HJ.. seriously.. I do not know what I would do in your situation. I’m running that scenario through my head from a number of angles.. and I am just shaking my head and truly feeling for you. I am sorry, you are faced with that.

      • HJ Madison
        05/11/2013 at 3:08 pm

        It is especially heartbreaking because I was very close to her child, until recently when her mother got so bad! The last time I talked to her (and said it right in front of her mother) when she is over 18 and asks, I will tell her the “other side” of the story. I have saved all sorts of documents, including psychologist reports to the court, in case she ever needs or wants to know. I can do nothing more now. 😒

  86. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/11/2013 at 2:43 pm

    Dept of collateral info: Just commenting that throughout the time in the sandbox, when the fingers and the mind are together, and the soul of the room is encouraging, out pops all sorts of personal, inner feelings, expressions of personal trauma or disappointment or of an involvement or problem of some nature. It’s been most enlightening to witness; each grows out of the surrounding talk and emerges on its own to place itself amongst the topics. I’ve been made aware of deaths and lawsuits and rapes and divorces and children gone bad. And each takes on its own identity, seperate from any avatar since we are unknown to each other in the ‘non-blogged’ world. Each of the identities emerge out of the compiled words of humor and information and comment and images. They have never been plastered about and dropped for their own sake into the mix. I guess the combo reminds me of one of my favorite sayings on drama. It was by the writer/actor Sam Shepherd; “ideas emerge from plays, not the other way around.”

    It has been an enriching time in many ways. You know what I’m saying? The group you know what I’m saying? …they…you know…talked and stuff…you know what I’m saying?

    • 05/11/2013 at 2:46 pm

      I was with you up to “you know what I’m sayin” then I tuned out!!! 😛

      • Jill
        05/11/2013 at 2:48 pm

        Lol, me too!

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/11/2013 at 2:53 pm

        I still haven’t gotten over reading that interrogation with the convict who is on trial now covered by donchais. How could the cops keep hearing ‘know what I’m saying’ after the 50 th time! All he was say was you know what Im saying!

      • 05/11/2013 at 2:56 pm

        I don’t know.. I don’t know!!! I don’t know why they didn’t say to him.. “no I don’t know what you are sayin” I guess they just wanted to keep him talking.. but what was the point? you know what I’m sayin’?

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 3:01 pm

      RnR – so well said. I think, in many ways, it will be sad to see this end! It does feel like one can be honest with as much (or little) anonymity as required. It is such a thoughtful collection of individuals, unlike so many other sites where people comment with little more than ugly vitriol!

    • 05/11/2013 at 3:13 pm

      So true RIR. So many of us have encountered wobo types thru our lives and thankfully most of them have not committed murder. My heart has gone out so many times to peoples life stories they have shared here.
      My son was involved with one and tried many times to break it off with her unsuccessfully. The last time he tried to break off with her she seemed to take it fine and they set down to watch a movie together to (I guess) prove that they would still remain friends. The girl excused herself to go to the ladies room and when she did not return after a time my son went to check on her. He found her in the tub with her wrists cut. He rushed her to er and called her family. When all was well he walked out of the hospital and never saw her again. This case makes me so very thankful that he got out of that relationship with his life and she hers as well.
      This all proves that wobo is not special. She is just a murderer.

      • 05/11/2013 at 3:18 pm

        that should say “and she hers as well” meaning attempted suicide failed. Although I really doubt her life was really in danger. Just an attention ploy.

      • HJ Madison
        05/11/2013 at 3:26 pm

        So frightening!

    • NancyB
      05/11/2013 at 6:55 pm

      Robert, I love that you have noticed this and the way that you just described it is beautiful and touching and a very accurate observation!

  87. Family of Law
    05/11/2013 at 2:47 pm

    Hello all!!! I’ve been (as my Dad used to say) “Busier than a one armed paper hanger”! But I wanted to check in and see what you’ve all been up to, and say “Helloooooooo”!

    HJ- Thanks so much for posting the court info- I replied before I realized how far upstairs I was when I posted!

    Syn- Thank you for your posts (way up there) to Nance! That was great reading! So well put together! Q. Will you give us all diplomas for having attended “Syn’s School of Psychopathy made easier”? I have learned SO much! And I honestly don’t know if I would have survived this trial as well, without the insights you’ve given. I told you, I would have just gone with “Bat shit crazy” as my diagnosis 🙂

    MMD- Mama cat and “Mama’s/ Sweet Boy had an adorable reunion this morning! She rubbed herself on his legs, he “nosed her” it was very sweet! But then she had to go back to her demanding brood!

    Off I go again, gotta get out of my barn clothes, and get dressed up like a “big girl”, have to go to a fundraiser tonight- but so wish I could just get on my jammies and read more!

    • 05/11/2013 at 2:49 pm

      FOL!!! heellooo… nice to see you! I’ve come to look for you daily! Does that mean I’m stalking you?? who’d a thunk it!! 😀

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 2:53 pm

      Thanks for the update! I have been wondering about Mama cat and Sweet boy 😊

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 4:33 pm

      I’m so glad that Mama Cat and Mama’s Boy finally got reunited. After all the abuse he endured he needs his new family kept very close 😀

  88. Janna
    05/11/2013 at 2:47 pm

    Wondering if Sherrif Joe will keep Wobo in the psych unit until she’s permanently transferred to her cell at Perryville? NO more tweet buddiy. NO more toosie roll pops. NO pop rocks.

    • 05/11/2013 at 2:52 pm

      On the facebook pages they are saying she is up and tweeting again. Do not know how this is possible from psych unit but someone is in her name. Do not know if she can still get phone calls out from the ward or not. Probably just more lies and trash from the idiot support pages

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 3:22 pm

        I just checked twitter and couldn’t find anything from her or DonoMan. Hope it stays that way!

  89. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/11/2013 at 2:49 pm

    Of course, I should have said earlier, but, Happy Mothers Day to all who mother!!!!!

    • Jill
      05/11/2013 at 2:58 pm

      Ty, Robert!

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 3:09 pm

      Thank you darlin’ 😀

    • 05/11/2013 at 3:15 pm


  90. Beans
    05/11/2013 at 2:56 pm

    MMD – not raining but trying to – overcast, cool. how’s your weather? OT -we have a current case here where a guy from near Hamilton advertised his truck for sale, 2 guys showed up, took it and him for a test drive, then disappeared. the cops found the victim’s cellphone in a parking lot in Brantford (where i live). a young father/husband gone – all for a freakin’ truck.

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 3:05 pm

      I was talking to my friend about that who called me once she knew it was safe because there was a verdict. She’s in Burlington but works at Hamilton General. So nothing new on this guy at all. After hearing the good news in Cleveland I was hoping this would be a good news ending as well!!!!! But they haven’t found his body yet so there’s still hope!!!

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 3:08 pm

      Same here, Just wondered because my friend was talking about heavy rain last night and how long it took to get home from work. Usually we get everything you do as well as what Boston and area send up a day or so later.

  91. Jill
    05/11/2013 at 3:00 pm

    Syn, how do u think two narcissistic psychopaths do together? Would they make good friends, spouses, etc? Or, is it the opposite and do their personalities clash?

    • 05/11/2013 at 3:11 pm

      there have been rare occasions where two like minded types have hooked up and fed off each other. whether both were psychopaths or one was ASPD unsure because it is only recently the PCL-R has started to be used widely particularly in prison systems.

      In general though.. it is believed they do recognise each other and are very aware of others like them but do not often interact unless criminal activity is involved. They get pleasure preying on people with empathy, sympathy and compassion… they won’t find that in someone like themselves so what would be the fun? Only if the two of them were targeting someone with those qualities would they gain from any kind of symbiotic arrangement.

      • Jill
        05/11/2013 at 3:25 pm

        Very interesting! Ty, you r like my own personal google!

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/11/2013 at 3:36 pm

        in the case of Katie Kool Ladies sister, there were two German brothers who did the deed. They were sentenced to death 23 years ago. 4 years ago, the appeal court ruled that one of the brotrhers was “retarded” so he couldn’t be executed; the other remaoins on death row. Maybe that would count as 1.5 pychopaths, not “really” 2 of them together since one was a sandwich short of a picnic.

      • Beans
        05/11/2013 at 3:37 pm

        “what would be the fun” – so good syn,

  92. MMD
    05/11/2013 at 3:20 pm

    Robert – what do you think of Roy Black and the majority of the defense team leaving the retrial of the Goodman case? Me thinks Goodman is running out of money so slimebag Black left in a NY minute!!!!

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/11/2013 at 3:32 pm

      Among the nuggets from Wendy Murphy is the info that one of the jurors on the Kennedy Smith rape trial, who voted not guilty, married the lawyer Roy Black. I have not followed it beyond your recommendations to read and what was posted here. My guess is that Black doesn’t want to be associated with him anynmore. He made his bucks, he got him another, he looks like a “good guy” since “justice prevailed” and someother scumbag can actually try and have him beat the rap.

      • 05/11/2013 at 3:36 pm

        speaking of that book.. what is it she reveals about the Jonbenet Ramsey case?

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 3:39 pm

        I thought Roy Black was slime when he got Wm Kennedy Smith off and when I found out he married one of the jurors not too long afterwards, it was confirmed. He’s still married to her and after all these Roy Black is an even worse of a slime bag.

      • Beans
        05/11/2013 at 3:50 pm

        slightly out of place, but another book to read is bill james’ (yes the baseball stats guru) “popular crime: reflections of violence” he addresses jonbenet and other infamous cases.

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 4:37 pm

        I forgot to mention that Wendy considered who Roy Black married a new nugget? Geesh that happened like 20 years ago and she’s on one of those crap Real Housewives of whatever shows.

  93. 05/11/2013 at 3:27 pm

    MMD :
    I just checked twitter and couldn’t find anything from her or DonoMan. Hope it stays that way!

    it is there. It is under jodiann_arias

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 3:36 pm

      Thank you. I wonder who is doing the tweeting? She is only following 5 and has 60 followers – guess her pr firm has their work cut out to get her follower numbers up 😆 Here are her tweets so far

      Jodi Arias ‏@jodiann_arias 4h

      To the people that have expressed such hatred towards me, I say to you this: Forgive. & please move forward with your life. #JodiArias
      Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@jodiann_arias 5h

      I’ve worked with considerable amounts of people in this case, and at this time, the one I thought I could trust could not be after all.
      Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@jodiann_arias 5h

      My thoughts at this point are very minimal. I’m very saddened by all the evil events that’ve taken place over the last few year

      • 05/11/2013 at 3:39 pm

        What are your thoughts MMD? Do you think they are coming from her?

      • HJ Madison
        05/11/2013 at 3:41 pm

        Now I am determined to find a Puking emoticon for us! I need one for ipad, how about you?

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 3:42 pm

        Well since she doesn’t have any visitation until Sunday and she started tweeting around 7:30 it seems highly unlikely although I don’t know what her phone privileges are in the psych ward.

  94. 05/11/2013 at 3:43 pm

    Puking emoticon and one with a little tin foil hat!

  95. MMD
    05/11/2013 at 3:54 pm

    Doncha find it interesting that JA ‘claims’ that she wants the DP but yet gets Wurmi to submit docs to try and get the DP off the table the very next day????????????

  96. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/11/2013 at 3:55 pm

    Syntara :
    speaking of that book.. what is it she reveals about the Jonbenet Ramsey case?

    I thought there would be more; not even a chapter.She reveals that there was an indictment of the parents back at the time but the DA chose not to file. Reasonm being that in cases like that, people point at each other and creat reasonable doubt.It was not for murder, but for abuse leading to murder. This was made public sometime in 2013. She mentions that autopsy showed Jon Benet had eaten pineapple within 2 hours of death and a bowl of pineapple was on table when police came; Parents said they brought her from friends place right to bed She mentions that fibers from fathers sweater on her underwear; fibers from moms sweater on duct tape. Skill fractured after death. Retina damaged perhaps by shaking. Some of this is “new info” I think,
    She also suggests child porn at the root of it, by slyly suggesting not all of the computers were either checked or revealed and by saying that Jon Benet “type” was a prizewinner in “that” circle.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/11/2013 at 3:58 pm

      Skull fractured, not skill. Also only a portion of the hymen was intact. Pediatrician said no sign of abuse but she was brought in over 30 time for “irritations”..One of the detectives thought the parents killed her while disciplining her for wtting the bed.

      • 05/11/2013 at 4:02 pm

        Wow interesting…now I gotta go read up on this one all over again

      • HJ Madison
        05/11/2013 at 4:09 pm

        So, does Murphy ever give her opinion on who actually killed her?

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 4:08 pm

      That’s it. I only bought the book because of the Jon Benet angle. How did she explain the dna that was found on JB’s underwear that did NOT belong to either parent or did she???

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/11/2013 at 4:15 pm

        not even sure (oops! demerit Doc Janeen!) if she mentioned that. She just sprinkles some news of them amidst other vignettes and rantings. Even the underwaer makes no sense to me since she first describes them on Jon Benet and then describes them as “size 12” without any explanation.

  97. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/11/2013 at 4:01 pm

    this is what I recall from my reading. ROR test Dr Janeen? How’d I do?

  98. MMD
    05/11/2013 at 4:03 pm

    Beans, Robert, Syn and anybody else interested.

    I read an excellent NON-fiction book by John Grisham called The Innocent Man. It came out in 2006 and is available on kindle. I think it is his only non-fiction book but let me tell you, I couldn’t put it down and it scared the hell out of me!!!!! Here is a blurb about it from Amazon.

    In the major league draft of 1971, the first player chosen from the State of Oklahoma was Ron Williamson. When he signed with the Oakland A’s, he said goodbye to his hometown of Ada and left to pursue his dreams of big league glory.

    Six years later he was back, his dreams broken by a bad arm and bad habits—drinking, drugs, and women. He began to show signs of mental illness. Unable to keep a job, he moved in with his mother and slept twenty hours a day on her sofa.

    In 1982, a 21-year-old cocktail waitress in Ada named Debra Sue Carter was raped and murdered, and for five years the police could not solve the crime. For reasons that were never clear, they suspected Ron Williamson and his friend Dennis Fritz. The two were finally arrested in 1987 and charged with capital murder.

    With no physical evidence, the prosecution’s case was built on junk science and the testimony of jailhouse snitches and convicts. Dennis Fritz was found guilty and given a life sentence. Ron Williamson was sent to death row.

    If you believe that in America you are innocent until proven guilty, this book will shock you. If you believe in the death penalty, this book will disturb you. If you believe the criminal justice system is fair, this book will infuriate you.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/11/2013 at 4:13 pm

      well, as for th elast paragraph,my answers are “I don’t” “I don’t” (except for wobo)& I’don’t” so I guess it won’t infuriate me,:)

    • Beans
      05/11/2013 at 4:15 pm

      just put hold on it at my local library – which is only a block and a half from my front door – how cool is that?

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 4:21 pm

        cool!!! Let me know what you think about it Bean ok 🙂

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 4:27 pm

        All during and even after reading it I was so glad to be a Canuck with a different system but it truly could happen anywhere to anyone!!!!!!! That’s what so infuriated me. 😯

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 4:20 pm

      Well I have always felt that justice goes to the one with the most money, don’t believe in the DP, except in JA’s case, have never thought justice was fair, yet this book truly did infuriate and scare me. He was just a guy minding his own business and it goes to show how anyone could have this happen to him. The guy was only saved because the Innocence Project took a look and ya know how few cases they take on.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/11/2013 at 4:30 pm

        yet another nugget that bothered me from Wendy Murphy book. she takes a few swipes at Barry Scheck (think she misspells his name) and at the ACLU. Now there are “zillions” (a word she uses) of defense attornenies that one could crucify for various reasons. But the Innocence Project and the ACLU have done far far far more good than bad. Also she has the typeset say: the Innocence” PrO.J.ect.” which she uses a few times and which is juvenile. Her intention is to smear it with Barry’s participation in the Simpson trial. One might just as reasonably argue that Scheck put DNA on th emaps for courtrooms around the world and he knew he had to dance with the devils for a greater cause. One certainly cant say that about Baily or Shapiro or Cochran.

      • Beans
        05/11/2013 at 4:37 pm

        that’s my argument too. morally, i have no problem killing some of these animals. having said that, i do have a problem with it being sanctioned by the state, too often politics, money and race is in the mix. when was the last time a rich white guy got the death penalty? – the defence rests.

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 4:41 pm

        I doubt if I will even bother to read it now!!! I figured it would at least have some substance to it but I guess I was wrong.

  99. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/11/2013 at 4:17 pm

    HJ Madison :
    So, does Murphy ever give her opinion on who actually killed her?

    She suggests that the grand jury that indicted both parents at the time were onto to truth.DA didn’t file.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/11/2013 at 4:20 pm

      However–I thought she’d have a whole chapter or two with well thought out material.Its scattered and somewhat cryptic.I hadnt thought of the case in awhile; had read Schiller book and other reports. I think Wendy Murphy did a slight hit ‘n run with the cover announcement of “new revelations” on the case.

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 4:24 pm

        Yeah I have read a couple of books on it as well so I figured there would be a lot more to it.

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 4:28 pm

        I guess my first clue should have been that Bill O’Reilly did the foreword and she does spend a lot of time on Faux News.

  100. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/11/2013 at 4:34 pm

    MMD :
    Yeah I have read a couple of books on it as well so I figured there would be a lot more to it.

    I think I gave you 85% of her on the case. She also uses the first person pronoun a LOT.And although i admire her work and work ethic, she’s a player in the media. She’s uSA Today on legal matters. She is here and there and everywhere. She says things like “there is no factual proof that any innocent person has ever been put to death on America” and although I don’t have a list popping out of my head, I can’t imagine that to be true–even parsed with “factual”-it simply seems too broad a topic to be contained in her blurthought.

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 4:45 pm

      There IS factual proof that innocent people have been put to death!!!! I think it was Illinois or could have been another state, which actually stopped executions for quite some time, for that exact reason. If I know this and don’t live in the States, well it doesn’t say much for her accuracy or even the truth!!!

      • Beans
        05/11/2013 at 4:52 pm

        all one has to do is the math. how many ‘innocents’ have escaped death row then extrapolate that to how many haven’t.

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 4:58 pm


    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 5:17 pm

      I am in and out here today, but I thank you for your candor. I too am shocked about her comment. In fact, the reason my state abolished the DP was because it was shown an innocent was hanged. And, having worked with lots of forensic criminalists and visited several crime labs, sometimes it horrifies me to think about falling within the sites of law enforcement for some crime.

      • HJ Madison
        05/11/2013 at 5:22 pm

        that should be …. falling within the SIGHTS of law enforcement….

      • Kathy A.
        05/12/2013 at 11:20 am

        Like many others on this site, I have my reservations about the death penalty, except in JA’s case. There is another highly-publicized case that highlights how the justice system can go wrong, that of the West Memphis Three in Arkansas. Three teenage boys were convicted of the 1993 murders of three 8-year-old boys. The defendants were 16, 17, and 18 at the time of the murders; they were poor, kind of different, considered outcasts. One of the pieces of “evidence” that was used for the conviction was a confession obtained from one of the boys after 12 hours of interrogation – he had an IQ of something like 75. One boy was sent to death row, the others were given life sentences. People had been fighting for years to get them released, there were fundraisers, documentaries made, all sorts of attempts. In 2007 DNA evidence was shown to belong to neither the victims or any one of the three boys. One of the witnesses who testified against them recanted. FBI profiler John Douglas said that the murders were not the work of three unsophisticated teenagers, but a violent predator with a personal agenda. After just over 18 years in prison, they were given the option to take an “Alford plea” in which they could claim their innocence, but still maintain that the state of Arkansas had enough evidence to convict them (!) and they were released. Lawyers are still fighting on their behalf to get them fully pardoned. There’s much more to the story, but it always amazes me in cases like this how unwilling the prosecution is to admit mistakes, even to the point of letting someone they know is innocent sit in jail just to save face or prove a point.
        You can read more about the case here if interested. It’s really tragic all the way around. http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/apr/04/nightmare-west-memphis-three/?pagination=false

  101. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/11/2013 at 4:50 pm

    MMD :
    I doubt if I will even bother to read it now!!! I figured it would at least have some substance to it but I guess I was wrong.

    There are “nggets” of info you might like reading. But it is not a book of substance. It is too often self-congratulatory and frequently quaint – as in “write a letter to the editor” as a form of realistic action.She mentions O’Reilly not only in the “foreword” but in the “body” of the book. She mentions a court case as if we all know it and know about her participation in it. I was gonna write that she needed an editor, but I really think she needed a focused book.

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 4:57 pm

      I have so many books piled up that have arrived since January that I haven’t even opened the Amazon boxes that I want to read, I don’t think I’ll waste my time on this fluff piece unless I’m really desperate. At the rate that books arrive in this house, I don’t think that will be happening soon but I appreciate your book report Robert!!! Go to the head of the class now darlin’ 😀

    • Beans
      05/11/2013 at 5:06 pm

      uh, think you were right the first time, an editor’s job is to produce a focused book.

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/11/2013 at 5:25 pm

        I “almost” put just “book” but that would sound cruel so I added “focused” What I meant was, she didnt have an overriding thesis or narrative. If I was her editor I’d suggest she go home nd think about a book.Or maybe work a writing two good magazine articles from the material and save the rest for a book.

  102. MMD
    05/11/2013 at 5:24 pm
    • Beans
      05/11/2013 at 5:45 pm

      read it, mmd, let’s hope he’s still alive. how heartbreakng is this, a pair of loser dipshits want a truck and before you know it somebody’s son/husband/father is gone.

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 6:04 pm

        Truly hope so Bean. You’d think it would be easier to just steal a truck rather than go on Kijiji, make an appt. and then take the guy!!! Messed up world we live in. My heart aches for his wife and child. 😦

  103. TexiBelle
    05/11/2013 at 5:33 pm

    Beth Karas recently tweeted that JA told that Fox reporter (off camera, presumably) that Kirk Nurmi told her she had no mitigating factors. HAHAHAHAHAA she’s screwed!

    • Beans
      05/11/2013 at 5:52 pm

      so her own lawyer told her she was screwed? too funny, who can make this stuff up?

  104. Beans
    05/11/2013 at 5:35 pm

    reading it now, thanks mmd, back in a couple.

  105. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/11/2013 at 5:45 pm

    How come only Dr. GoodLooking is going to testify? I mean what about brain people who can describe all the different nerves affected by each of hte 29 stabs. Or maybe some survivor of torture in Argentina or Chile who can describe what it was like. Or some actors to re-enact the murder and show how fast and horrible it was.Maybe some scientists who worked on monkeys with their brain exposed and can be very partyicular abou each area of the body. Also,maybe a poet to descibe – in 62 seconds some of the psychic agony present. I mean we should have “cruelty” evoked all over the place, no?

    • Jay
      05/11/2013 at 5:56 pm

      The ME has already established a bond of trust with the jury, no wasted time with credentials — and Martinez will lead him through it moment by moment to evoke the cruelty of the horror…

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/11/2013 at 6:38 pm

        he’s a cool cucumber, I’ll grant that. But he’s not an evoker of emotion or deep feeling, I don’t think. Could be be wrong, he might impres, we’ll see.. But his detached temperament, so good for the ME chores, might night be so good for evoking what is “cruel” and “heinous”.

    • Kristy
      05/11/2013 at 7:08 pm

      I think the emotional detachment that the ME speaks with says volumes. The jury know him, and he can easily restate what Travis went through. Juan tends to use the less is more approach, which has proven to be effective thus far, and I trust him to simply have the ME indicate Travis didn’t die quickly, based on his wounds, nor was it painless.

      • 05/11/2013 at 11:14 pm

        well I don’t know Robert.. he evokes emotion in me…. ooooolala!

      • MMD
        05/12/2013 at 9:48 am

        yes2wine – well that made me spit out my drink! 😆 Even though I think my new hubby is the best thing on earth, I can still really enjoy the view and I do 😀

  106. Jay
    05/11/2013 at 5:46 pm

    Robert in Rotterdam :
    yet another nugget that bothered me from Wendy Murphy book. she takes a few swipes at Barry Scheck (think she misspells his name) and at the ACLU. Now there are “zillions” (a word she uses) of defense attornenies that one could crucify for various reasons. But the Innocence Project and the ACLU have done far far far more good than bad.

    Robert, as someone who had supported with donations, time, effort, and ‘in the day’ dated a few of those lady lawyers (always picking up the check – never once having any of those feminist-leaning babes offer to Dutch-treat), I can say without reservation that the ACLU hasn’t done anything worthy of compliment for the past 25 years. There may be a few exceptions to that rule, but overall they have become the guardians of political correctness, the perpetrators of minority class rights over that of individual rights for the rest of society, and an impediment overall to the majority of middle-class working Americans – who’s rights they don’t give a damn about.

    I do give thumbs up to the Innocence Project – and Scheck’s founding of it – but for me, for his involvement in the OJ defense, he’s like a donkey with a piece of fruit hanging from a piece of string in front of its face, forever out of it’s reach – the fruit symbolizing Scheck’s reputation, never to be fully redeemed. I feel the same way about Robert Shapiro — every-time I see that smug puss on TV advertising Legal Zoom, I want to throw something at the screen.

    • Jay
      05/11/2013 at 5:51 pm

      There is some justice in the Universe, though — look how Robert Kardashian was paid back for his involvement with OH, with those creepy dysfunctional daughters of his.

      • Jay
        05/11/2013 at 5:52 pm

        involvement with OJ

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/11/2013 at 6:02 pm

        So true. I tell people who don’t know, that at the time Khardasian was his “best friend” and when one is acquitted of first degree murder,you’d think one’s best friend would be as ecstatic as the defendant. RK, whatever his involvement, had the inate decency to be horrified while those about him were slapping shoulders..

      • MMD
        05/11/2013 at 6:05 pm

        Exactly true Robert! I can still picture the shocked look on RK’s face.

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 7:04 pm

      Jay: One thing that emerged from the OJ trial and especially Peter Neufield (and lesser extent Barry Scheck) is the utterly deplorable condition of crime labs. When Dennis Fong testified he took notes in his lab book in pencil AND erased “data” or used “white out” I nearly spit! These labs went YEARS without any certification or oversight. It is better, but still not great. Michael Peterson’s conviction is a case in point.

  107. NancyB
    05/11/2013 at 5:51 pm

    Sweetheart Syn! Thanks very much for your responses. The first one was chilling and the 2nd one was profound and chilling! In my 20’s, decades ago, I read a lot about Freud & Jung. Jung was by far my favorite of the two, and I loved his concept of individuation & also the collective unconscious. Your 2nd response is a viscerally real description of being caught in the evil web of a psychopath. I won’t forget it, ever. I’m curious to know how long a time frame that it took you to recognize that you were in the evil web of your psychopath and then how long it took you to actively extricate yourself. I can not in any legitimate way imagine how painful this must have been. (((((HUGS)))))

    Ringading, personally, I do believe that the lawyer who wrote the article in Psychology Today was relating her real life experiences with being a self identified psychopath. Just too many details that had the ring of truth.

    • ringadingding
      05/11/2013 at 8:06 pm

      Thanks, Nancy. It had touches that made me wonder a professional writer had crafted a persona to narrate the article. It certainly does milk the heartless attorney stereotype really well, along with other stereotypes, so that goes toward suggesting whoever wrote it doesn’t view human qualities with any depth.

  108. Chrissie A
    05/11/2013 at 5:56 pm
    • 05/12/2013 at 1:47 am

      Chrissie I prefer Hairyarse as there never be any more brazilians coming her way. 😃

      • 05/12/2013 at 1:51 am

        *will* never

  109. NancyB
    05/11/2013 at 6:28 pm

    Beans :
    prompted by a comment i read on eggtree i’d like to put a question to all the women here – how many of you would like to skip all the legal bullshit and simply be put in a room with stabby where you could beat her senseless – or worse.

    This is why I for a short period of time in early Feb wanted LWOP. I was sooo hoping that the other hard core inmates in prison would beat the living daylights out of her. But after observing JA throughout her entire 18 days testifying and seeing Nancy Grace’s Estrella Jail footage that documents that nearly ALL the inmates idolize her, I now believe that she would *easily* acclimate to prison routines and as MMD said -“She’ll be running the place” in short order.

    No. I want her in her private cell 23 hrs a day, with only 2 phone calls for 10 minutes each twice a week, no contact with any inmates, limited exercise, 3 showers a week and ALL visits conducted behind glass with absolutely no direct contact. I don’t care if she sits there on death row for the next 50 years before she gets the needle, it is the closest thing to real punishment that I can envision, such as things currently are in AZ prisons.

    In some states, OH being one of them, the law changed about 8 yrs ago and now LWOP is 23 hr lock down in individual cell and all the other limitations on freedom listed above for Death Row in AZ. If such a thing were in place in AZ then I might be satisfied with that. One reason that OH pushed for the harsh changes in LWOP was that they found that “lifers” had a very negative effect on other prison inmates that were serving much shorter sentences and that they had a cummulative and documented effect on other prisoners – sort of like a crime school of imparting more devious and dangerous tricks of their trade.

    • Beans
      05/11/2013 at 7:00 pm

      i read an article (on the arizona abc affiliate site i think) that states the same conditions are in practice there.

    • MMD
      05/11/2013 at 7:16 pm

      Here here Nancy!!!

  110. NancyB
    05/11/2013 at 6:48 pm

    HJ Madison :
    It is especially heartbreaking because I was very close to her child, until recently when her mother got so bad! The last time I talked to her (and said it right in front of her mother)
    when she is over 18 and asks, I will tell her the “other side” of the story. I have saved all sorts of documents, including psychologist reports to the court, in case she ever needs or wants to know. I can do nothing more now. 😒

    You are AMAZING! I’m strongly betting that she WILL want to know and will come to you to have those discussions. In children/teenagers that have suffered sexual abuse it regularly takes y-e-a-r-s until they de-compartmentalize all of that abuse. Very often not until some time in their 20’s or even early 30’s are they able to review those experiences and seek help/information about what happened to them. That’s why laws in most states that have severe statute of limitations of bringing legal suits within a yr or 2 of the abuse are patently unfair, in my opinion. Anyway, I admire your strength and fortitude greatly! And your WOBO must avoid you like the plague because you have her # and understand all facets of what her game plan actually is. Not that many people are insightful enough to match speeds with a full blown psychopath. The gas lighting alone is enough to make most people cower.

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 7:32 pm

      You are so kind to comment! The “gas lighting” was unbearable, but once my WOBO’s misdeeds were literally proven, the entire family came together to support one another — our “silver lining”. Today, she has virtually no contact with the family. Hopefully, the teenager, who was often used in my WOBO’s schemes, has not spent years learning at the knee of this master!! Otherwise, I see nothing but disaster for her life!

  111. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/11/2013 at 6:50 pm

    Well the only thing the US Constitution says, is that the penalty not be “cruel or unusual”. The US joins a list of China, Libya, Iran Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Cuba as using it, so I guess it isn’t “unusual” enough yet. It is unusual in most of the civilized world, however.

    As far as “cruel” goes, I’m agnostic; still searching about Which is “more cruel”: putting a person in solitary for life or giving them a lethal injection within months of the conviction? It would not be “unusual” to tie a wobo up and whip he ass with a cane till layers of skin comes off,in Malaysia. She did such a thing to Travis why not try that here as a deterrent? Forget deterrent, as part of the punishment?
    I think these things evolve. 37 states have the DP but rarely use it. Maybe in 100 years the idea of solitary will seem “unusual”..

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/11/2013 at 7:07 pm

      from an article today by Jacon Hornberger: What is “unusual” one day is the norm the next!:

      For more than a century, the American people were free to keep everything they earned. No income tax returns, no tax deductions, no IRS, no April 15 deadlines, and other such nonsense. Instead, Americans were free to keep everything they earned and there wasn’t anything the feds could do about it.

      That’s what Americans once called freedom.

      There was also no Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, farm subsidies, aid to dictators, or any other welfare. That’s because our American ancestors rejected the concept of mandatory charity. They believed that charity meant nothing if it was the result of government coercion

  112. Kristy
    05/11/2013 at 6:55 pm

    My family wrote an impact statement once that the judge used in deciding the punishment, and as a result, the dependent got the maximum sentence. It may be more beneficial for Travis’s family to not get up and get so emotional as to get lost in the emotion if that makes sense. There’s more clarity and less of a chance to get lost in the pain and stay focused.

    I watched a 48 hours about a woman that poisoned her husband and it showed the family at the phase where they could speak, and they were highly emotional as one would expect.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/11/2013 at 7:12 pm

      These “impact statement” laws were passed because people wanted to have an outlet to express their feelings when they were victimized by another. I mean reason should prevail in terms of what is “excess” for the occasion, the same way a theater director could say, “too much, take it down a notch” a Judge could do that, but basically, I think if the law says they should have the right to speak, then the law(yers) & “magistrates” and “judges” oughta get out of the way

      • Jay
        05/11/2013 at 7:55 pm

        But they can’t confront the killers. Only talk about the pain and loss. They can’t curse them out, give the middle finger, not even moon them. The laws need to change to allow some confrontation – it’s human nature frustrated.

      • Kristy
        05/11/2013 at 8:11 pm

        Like I previously said, my father wrote an impact statement to the judge because he wanted the judge to be reminded what the defendant did and the indifference to life that he undertook as well as the steps to evade responsibility.

        I think we’re talking across from each other here.

    • Kristy
      05/11/2013 at 8:02 pm

      I am not against the impact statements, but don’t know that it would actually have any difference in the decision made. I think Jodi is get DP. She deserves it.

      Given that all the jurors thought Jodi pre-meditated the crime, and how horribly Travis died, it’s a no brainer that she’s getting the DP. I just saw a snippet on HLN where they interviewed the parents of a child murdered that JM got DP for. They said that the defendents wanted to do the same thing to them. My guess is that JM prepared for this since he’s dealt with it before.

      My point was that I think Travis’s family would get their say, and not give any ammunition to Jodi’s DT. They use whatever they get. I want the Alexander family to have their say however they want it. Apparently, it’s a DT to try to get the impact statements away from a jury.

  113. 05/11/2013 at 7:33 pm

    MMD :
    They figured that they would be finished in the Friday afternoon session and either have a verdict or else be in another verdict watch – so not long at all.
    I keep telling ya that I pay attention to everything. I’m not just another pretty face ya know

    MMD :
    They figured that they would be finished in the Friday afternoon session and either have a verdict or else be in another verdict watch – so not long at all.
    I keep telling ya that I pay attention to everything. I’m not just another pretty face ya know

    I’m trying really really really hard to catch up on comments and have only,gotten this far.
    Real life intruded. Groceries needed. Westie need a bath.s. the Big Gut needed a brushing as did the cats.
    OT,,,, MMD !?! you must knowmbynnow that I too am enamored with Juan. I’ve been shadowing him and have come to realize you ARE another pretty face. I’vechose to believe however it wasn’t your. Beauty he fell,for,it was your wit and intelligence . Or maybe the kids? Poor me. Like lJA,I suffer from unrequited love.
    One more thing. ioaI think it was yesterday you were talking to MARGIE about pronunciation of your names. Try as I might they both sound the same to me. Repeated them over and over j-g-j-g-g-j. I don’t know if I have speech impediment now. I can say Margie but Marjie sounds the same. 😦

    • MMD
      05/12/2013 at 10:13 am

      Darlin’ I think that the entire world is enamoured with JM 😀 In my eyes he stands 20 feet tall because of his inner goodness and standards. He truly is humble but yet he is deservedly called the pit bull in court because he wants justice for all his victims simply because it is the right thing to do. The way he takes care of the Alexander family is outstanding, but in his mind, probably thinks it’s just his job but I think he goes above and beyond. I would imagine he gets invitations to numerous weddings, christenings, bar mitzvahs, etc. from grateful family members from over the years.

      I would imagine that the lazy homicide detectives dread knowing that JM is going to get their case but that the good ones, like Det. Flores are thrilled!!! With what some of these guys see, I’m sure they’ve seen their share of justice denied.

      It’s truly rare to find a civil servant as good and as focused on doing his job so well after 25 years because he sure as hell is not doing it for the money. He seems to genuinely love it and Phoenix is lucky to have him. I just wish they could clone him. Plus ya know that in his next case he is going to fight as much for justice for the dog as his owner!!

      Obviously his mother brought him up right!!! 😀

      As to the names, does Margaret sound anything like Marjorie?????? 😯 By the way, sorry about your unrequited love. There seems to be a lot of that going around! 🙄

  114. HJ Madison
    05/11/2013 at 7:44 pm

    THANK YOU CHRISSIE for posting the link to the full article. I just could not resist the temptation to post this little bit, toward the end of the article. That last line …. oh yeah she wants the DP …. she is chomping at the bit to get LWOP so she can run that prison!

    Troy: “So Kirk Nurmi said there are no mitigating factors for you in terms of arguing against the death penalty?”

    Jodi: “Um nothing that is what you typically see in a case like this, such as a childhood where there was drugs, alcoholism, molestation, none of those things occurred in my family so I guess we would sort of joke that my mom didn’t beat me hard enough, so I don’t have mitigation.”

    Troy: “So what are you going to do?”

    Jodi: “They feel that I would be a suitable candidate to behave myself in a correctional facility and just not be a problem. That may be their angle, I don’t know.”

    • Kristy
      05/11/2013 at 8:03 pm

      I don’t believe a word out of her mouth.

    • Chrissie A
      05/11/2013 at 8:45 pm

      YW HJ – I completely agree with you – if she really wanted the DP I think that she could drop all of her appeals and go straight to death row – isn’t that what McVeigh did? I’m also really pleased that her phone call to Troy setting up the interview has been widely publicized. She’s totally busted on that front!

  115. Kathy A.
    05/11/2013 at 8:52 pm

    I really need to stop torturing myself with HLN, maybe with the exception of Dr. Drew, who is reasonable and less prone to sensationalism than many of the others on there. I don’t understand why they value the opinions of people like Jose Baez, Judge Larry Seidlin (who was such a complete flake during the Anna Nicole Smith case that I don’t know how he became a judge to begin with), and Linda Kinney Baden. I know it’s to stir up controversy and for ratings but it’s still irritating, especially when they make off-the-cuff statements that are blatantly wrong and there’s no attempt at correction.

    Linda Kinney Baden said something like “Jodi Arias won’t get the death penalty because Arizona didn’t even give Jared Loughner the death penalty and he critically injured Gabrielle Giffords and killed an 8-year-old girl and a federal judge, among others.” Being a Tucson resident who was here when Loughner embarked on his shooting spree and who has followed the case through the various motions and proceedings, that’s a pretty uninformed statement for someone who’s supposed to be an “expert.” First of all, the cases are COMPLETELY different. There is no comparison. While I agree that Arias appears to suffer from mental illness, whether psychopathy or BPD or something else (I say appears because I’m not a behavioral health professional), Loughner was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. He had exhibited signs of mental illness and bizarre behavior long before the shootings. He was suspended from the community college here and told he needed a mental health evaluation that showed he was not a danger to himself or others before he could return, and his parents were told that as well. They stated they urged him to get help but he ignored their pleas (and I”m not in their shoes, but we do have a civil commitment process that his parents, or even teachers, or friends and neighbors who observed his behavior and couldn’t get him to voluntarily get treatment could have pursued).

    The court had to order him to be medicated with psychotropic drugs to make him competent enough to assist in his defense and stand trial; his lawyers filed motions saying that forcing him to be medicated violated his Constitutional rights, and after motions and decisions back and forth, the order to medicate him finally won out.

    As for Arizona not giving him the death penalty, well, because he shot a congresswoman, one of her aides, and killed a federal judge, he was eligible to be tried in federal court. Since he shot an Arizona federal judge, all of the federal judges in Arizona recused themselves and the case was assigned to a San-Diego-based judge, even though the hearings were held in Arizona. He eventually pled guilty to 19 counts after death was taken off the table, a plea deal that was approved by the surviving victims and the families of those killed. He received seven consecutive life sentences plus 140 years without the possibility of parole, and waived his right to appeal and cannot later change his plea to one of insanity, even though his grasp on reality is tenuous at best, even with medication.

    Arizona could have then prosecuted him in state court for additional counts for the crimes against the people who were not federally connected, but the prosecutor in Tucson consulted with the victims and came to the conclusion that they would not benefit from additional prosecution and they were satisfied with the sentencing the federal court gave out. This way they could move on with their lives and not spend years and years going through the pre-trial and trial process. As for the death penalty,it would have been contested because we don’t execute mentally ill people and he was clearly in some sort of psychotic break, Jodi Arias, on the other hand, whatever is wrong with her, clearly understands what she was doing, and not only was able to assist in her defense, but was the driver; she was in control of her behavior the whole time, and continues to be in control of her behavior, bizarre as some of her decisions seem.

    Sorry for the soapbox. I’m not excusing Loughner’s actions by saying “Oh, he’s obviously crazy so what he did was okay,” just angry at Kinney-Baden’s use of that case to say that Arizona is incapable of giving the death penalty. We wouldn’t have anyone on death row if that were the case.

    One more thing and then I’ll go away.:) Even though the Tucson area has a population of more than a million people, we still have a small-town, accessible feel. About two weeks before the shooting, my son and I were having breakfast at a local restaurant that’s housed in an old hotel where it’s claim to fame is that John Dillinger was captured there. A woman and an elderly man were sitting across from us; the woman was dressed like she had been jogging or walking – sun visor, shorts, tank top, tennis shoes. She got up and left the table for a few minutes and the man turned to us and began chatting about the restaurant, the hotel, the food. He wasn’t babbling, it was an enjoyable conversation. My son quietly said to me that the woman looked really familiar to him but he couldn’t place her. She returned shortly with a newspaper under her arm and said “C’mon, dad, we’ve got to go,” and she smiled at us and said “I hope my dad didn’t bother you; he just loves to socialize.” As soon as she looked directly at me and smiled, I realized it was Gabby Giffords. When she was shot a couple of weeks later, it felt almost personal because when she came to Tucson, she was always out and about in the community. The shooting was horrible and devastated many, many people. In most circumstances, Loughner should have been put to death, but then look at his mug shot and look at Arias’s. Like I said, two completely different sets of circumstances, that Linda Kinney-Baden just threw out there in a very smug way. She doesn’t know what the jury is going to do, any more than anyone else does, but don’t make blanket statements about us and our juries.

    Now I’m done. 😀 Again, sorry for the soapbox and rant. I’m just glad that Skanapottamus is never going to see freedom again until it’s through death, via lethal injection or old age. Because, you know, she may be a vicious killer but by God she doesn’t smoke!

    • Moon
      05/11/2013 at 9:50 pm

      great insight, Kathy, tysm!

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 10:16 pm

      A great explanation and thank you for taking the time to post.

    • ringadingding
      05/12/2013 at 12:34 am

      HLN is nothing more than tabloid entertainment posing as newsy. I can understand your frustration. Any reasonable person would see the distinction between Loughner and Arias cases, but they don’t cater to reason because it’s not yellable.

      Dr. Drew is as bad as the rest, but since he’s not yelling at the top of his lungs he appears genuine. When it comes to exploiting human tragedy, though, he spews the same sensational lies and over exaggerations (will not forget when he gave a Real Housewives scammer airtime with her phony abuse claims–dead husband not there to defend himself).

    • MMD
      05/12/2013 at 9:27 am

      Thank you for your post Kathy – that was truly a horrific crime and to be chatting with Gabby Giffords such a short time before must have made it even more personal. I avoid that show like the plague and can’t understand its appeal because it seems completely ridiculous with their “bold accusation”. Gimme a freaking break!!!

      As for your rant, better to get it out than let it fester plus rants are appreciated on here 🙂

  116. Moon
    05/11/2013 at 9:55 pm

    Does anyone know about the process AZ takes as far as organ donation from a convict that has been put to death? I don’t care if they want to study her brain (while dead or alive); but I sure hope that any organs can’t be donated. What a creep out that would be!

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 10:02 pm

      Yes, but she is so healthy! Doesn’t smoke, you know! :mrgreen:

      • Moon
        05/11/2013 at 10:08 pm

        new barf bag now required!

        can’t imagine putting anything from that evil body in to anyone! I sure hope they don’t. seems like a scream for lawsuits if receiving party were to find out

    • NancyB
      05/11/2013 at 10:37 pm

      Organs damaged by drugs given at time of death and make organ donation impossible.

      • Moon
        05/11/2013 at 10:51 pm

        ahhh ty Nancy! TG! how damaged to they get in this process?

  117. Moon
    05/11/2013 at 9:57 pm

    Several days ago, someone (sorry I can’t remember who) suggested that once she’s convicted ev1 should send pics to her from all the 1000 places to see. Would be great to start that! with Travis’ pic embedded on each image!

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 10:27 pm

      I LOVE that idea!! Love it!!! Like a “Flat Stanley” version of Justice for Travis.

  118. Crystal Harris
    05/11/2013 at 9:59 pm

    Did you guys see this disgusting news story this past week about a CA woman forced to pay the man who raped her daughter spousal support?
    I saw it and immediately sought out this woman. I found her and she called me back Thursday. She had to be in court for a hearing Friday. She wasn’t familiar with me, my case, or the new law I passed last year in CA preventing convicted rapists from collecting spousal support. She was elated to talk to me and get this information. She contacted me after her hearing and told me that there is another hearing June 14, but the Judge indicated that he is NOT going to award spousal support based on my new law. Isn’t that awesome? That makes it all worth it for me!

    • Moon
      05/11/2013 at 10:03 pm

      That is so wonderful, Crystal!! She is so lucky that you reached out to her! Bless you for all the work that you have done on behalf of so many! What an inspriration you are!!

    • TexiBelle
      05/11/2013 at 10:12 pm

      That is awesome but more importantly YOU are awesome!!

      • Crystal Harris
        05/11/2013 at 10:25 pm

        Thank you Moon & TexiBelle!

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 10:33 pm

      Kudos Crystal! 👏👏👏👏

    • NancyB
      05/11/2013 at 10:40 pm

      The best possible news Crystal! Wonderful that you reached out to her, I can only imagine what a life line she must have felt when you contacted her.

    • Jay
      05/11/2013 at 10:58 pm

      Fabulous to hear that, Crystal. Not very many people ever get to make a real difference in the world! Congratulations!

      • Crystal Harris
        05/12/2013 at 12:16 am

        Again, thank you guys! 🙂

    • 05/12/2013 at 2:35 am

      Crystal’s Law in motion! That is fantastic Crystal, you have fought for and won the battle to right a very obvious wrong in the system. Kudos to you 👏👏👏👏

    • Kristi
      05/12/2013 at 9:48 am

      Oh Crystal yay! I just saw that a couple days ago on my google news CA page. I’m so glad you reached out to her. You are really a lifesaver!

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/12/2013 at 10:33 am

        Wendy Murphy tells people to “write a letter to the editor” for real change; Crystal doesn’t tell people what to do; she just does it! Adding to the bravas!

      • Crystal Harris
        05/12/2013 at 11:21 am

        Thank you all. That’s funny, Robert. I can’t believe Wendy Murphy actually suggests something so inept. What is this, 1985?

  119. Allison
    05/11/2013 at 10:24 pm

    TexiBelle :
    Beth Karas recently tweeted that JA told that Fox reporter (off camera, presumably) that Kirk Nurmi told her she had no mitigating factors. HAHAHAHAHAA she’s screwed!

    What does this mean????

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 10:29 pm

      Chrissie posted the link to an article above, currently at #402

    • Crystal Harris
      05/11/2013 at 10:30 pm

      I think it means that if the jury agrees the crime was “cruel” and qualifies for death, and there’s nothing to mitigate the crime, they’ll have no choice but to give her death.
      And for the record, I don’t care what Jodi wants or doesn’t want in terms of death. I care what her crime dictates in terms of punishment. It’s not up to her. It should literally be irrelevant to the decision of the jurors. It’s more about justice for Travis and his family, who all support the death penalty.

      • 05/11/2013 at 10:48 pm

        That’s exactly right Crystal… well put!

      • Kristi
        05/12/2013 at 10:02 am

        Remember the admonition! If they all have followed it, the jurors don’t know Jodi “wants” the DP, so her attempts at reverse psychology are unknown and useless on them. For once, I’m glad the jurors don’t know the whole story.

      • Crystal Harris
        05/12/2013 at 10:07 am

        But don’t be surprised if it comes up when Jodi gets on the stand again. She’ll do her best to manipulate and control the situation. The jurors may not know Jodi’s wishes…YET. I fully expect they will before they deliberate her fate.

    • TexiBelle
      05/11/2013 at 11:59 pm

      Basically the defense team can come up with NO redeeming qualities for her.

    • ringadingding
      05/12/2013 at 12:45 am

      So the mitigation specialist was just keeping that seat warm all those weeks…for what? I don’t get it.

      • TexiBelle
        05/12/2013 at 9:17 am

        No, she was busy billing the state. That’s the only thing her defense team has been able to do successfully this whole trial.

      • Crystal Harris
        05/12/2013 at 11:16 am

        I want that job. Just sit and watch trials and when it comes time to come up with mitigating factors for disgusting criminals, I’ll shrug my shoulders and say, “Sorry, there aren’t any. You’re just evil.”

  120. Moon
    05/11/2013 at 10:41 pm

    I really need to see another close up shot of Travis, sitting in the shower.. top half. states evidence #159. I have been watching earlier day’s testimony again (i started to b4 the conviction, and due to my obsession I am continuing! lol) well I am on day 6 just about to finish that one up. They show that photo… I don’t know if it’s the lighting, or his position… but something about his neck/throat really bothering me about that photo. hmmmm

    When looking at these shower pics again, state’s evidence#155 is where I think he realizes SHE is there! that’s why I need to have someone else pls study that shot of Travis’ neck in the sit down pic.

    Also, I had forgotten that they believe the Godshots..accidental photos.. that the camera was upside down. (the dragging of the body, not the ceiling shot). TY TY to Travis’ guardian angels for getting those shots in!

  121. Moon
    05/11/2013 at 11:02 pm

    another shower shot that bothers me is the one of his back, where it looks like he has scratches… well it doesn’t look like water to me. hmmm
    someone mentioned that all those shots seem to be of her targeted areas! so true.
    that one shot (again, maybe lighting??) is the only one of his back that looks like he has scracthes or something. any thoughts? i think it’s SE#139

  122. Jay
    05/11/2013 at 11:05 pm

    Unanswered question?
    Has it been determined why court was suddenly cancelled Thursday?
    Anything to do with that reported bomb threat?

    • 05/11/2013 at 11:10 pm

      Haven’t heard anything that I would call concrete. Just speculation.

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 11:22 pm

      Did you see the motion to dismiss the death penalty? About an hour or so in chambers on Thursday. Way upstairs at 185 now, if you missed. May explain ….

    • Moon
      05/11/2013 at 11:30 pm

      upstairs is a great explaination of what happened… i just can’t remember where up there ^

      • HJ Madison
        05/11/2013 at 11:33 pm

        You mean the in chambers meeting and then the judge just re-scheduled, given the lateness of the day and the likely desire to conclude the hearing in one afternoon, especially given Friday was a day off?

      • Moon
        05/11/2013 at 11:45 pm

        YES HJ and hugs to you for that info!

  123. ctc111
    05/11/2013 at 11:33 pm

    anyone watching Saturday night Live. skit on wobo, Fox and Bengazi.

    • HJ Madison
      05/11/2013 at 11:34 pm

      Oh thanks for the reminder!

  124. 05/12/2013 at 12:23 am

    I read Travis’s blog as someone had posted in the last discussion. Has anyone else read it? I feel like I know this man personally between the trial, pictures, video clips and stories told by family and friends. This blog really shows how beautiful of a person he truly was. His stories made me smile, laugh and cry. I only wish he was able to write his book and make that dream come true. It would be an amazing tribute to him if his family worked on it and finished for him. I have a very sick feeling though, that any notes or files he had completed are long gone and destroyed by Jodi. Jealous b****! She did not deserve a man like him. It’s hearrbreaking to see how much he had already given to the world and how much more he had to give and share.

    The death penalty is too good for her as is LWOP. She deserves worse! May you rest in peace Travis. I know you have your angel wings and a lots of love pouring down over your family.

  125. 05/12/2013 at 12:57 am

    I have a website question.The square next to my name is purple and it used to be red. Is there a reason it changed ? It also says my comment is awaiting moderation. What does that mean? Sorry, I am kinda new here and don’t know all the little details..help? 😦

    • donchais
      05/12/2013 at 8:48 am

      did you change computers?

  126. 05/12/2013 at 1:43 am

    Hey Syn if you’re around Crows are whipping GWS by 141 points!!

  127. NancyB
    05/12/2013 at 2:09 am

    I’ve thought about how tortuous Travis’ death was over and over again for months. When I first read the autopsy in Jan. I immediately became persuaded that JA definitely knew “how” to thrust a knife quite savagely. One of the anterior chest thrusts disturbed the costochondral cartilage so severely that the ME cut out the specimen to save for further analysis. That she made so many shallow cuts was initially puzzling to me. For instance, the cluster of stab wounds on Travis’ back were an average of only an inch deep. It appeared to me from this pattern of stabs that she didn’t intend to stab deeply in the back. There is no mention of the knife becoming stuck in the posterior ribs, or damaging the posterior ribs. It appears to me from the AR that these cuts were made at that depth “on purpose”– and not because she inadvertently kept hitting ribs. And they sure don’t look or sound like “hesitation” wounds.

    And so I begin to think more about this, I kept thinking that it’s more than possible that she was taunting and torturing him while he was still very much conscious. Intentionally not stabbing too deeply, as opposed to wondering “why won’t you die” and continuing to stab.

    JA definitely knows where the vital organs are in a person. She also has a good idea how deep inside the body they are. I kept wishing that the ME had talked about this more in his testimony– the clusters of shallow wounds, versus the very savage wounds. But perhaps that was felt to be too speculative, since the sheer number of wounds are so savage.

    Then in Juan’s sur sur-rebuttal he spoke about the possibility that JA had already cut the tendon in her ring finger and that stabbing any deeper was painful. That also has the ring of truth.

    Weeks ago when I saw JA’s 7/16/2008 interrogation with Detective Flores and this next part gave me *chills*.

    At one point, Flores asks: What injury did Travis have other than the gunshot?

    JA says:

    TA and JA were about halfway in the hall
    There was a little bit of a struggle
    The female intruder had a knife – and JA demonstrates it in her left hand (but then says it was in the right)
    Travis was naked, but JA didn’t care
    JA was saying, “c’mon, c’mon”
    Travis said: “But I can’t… I CAN’T FEEL MY LEGS.” (emotionally)

    The last statement made my hair stand up.

    My immediate thought was that TA sustained an injury to something called the “dorsal columns” in the spinal cord just above the midpoint of his back. Then, I reviewed the ME report, and knew that kind of injury could occur with some of the middle back stabs if they penetrated between the vertebrae.

    There is a good medical reason that Travis couldn’t feel his legs – he sustained stab wounds to the center of his back that could have cut the part of the spinal cord (the dorsal columns) that carries the sensory feelings from the legs to the brain.

    Losing feeling in the legs and not also the arms is too highly a specific symptom to just randomly make up. How could she make up the neurologically rare syndrome of not feeling one’s legs with only an 11th grade education, unless it actually happened? But, it is entirely plausible given TA’s stab wounds.

    Two conclusions:

    1. The fact that she stated the medically unique symptom that TA reported (indeed, so unique that she is unlikely to be able to make it up), indicates she remembers a lot more of the knife struggle than she admits and probably remembers every moment of it.

    2. And, I’m so sorry to say this… It helps further demonstrate how tortured TA was during the struggle. TA was conscious, getting weaker, and eventually by the end of the hall where she caught up to him, he couldn’t move because of blood loss, but likely also because he lost sensory function below the navel. Was this when she stomped on his feet and lower legs, I think so. And, worst of all….he would have been totally aware that all of it was happening and that includes when next she slashed his throat from ear to ear.

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/12/2013 at 4:53 am

      Nancy–I hope they call you during the phase on “cruelty”…very vivid. Also, I’m with ringading–what the heck has that mitigator been doing?I guess its another CYA for the DP, but still,…

    • ringadingding
      05/12/2013 at 8:52 am

      Nancy, thank you so much for this. I’ve often wondered about that statement she attributed to Travis in the ninja story, thinking that it was true, but unsure how he could have crawled down the hall if he couldn’t feel his legs. For me, this increases the horror even more.

      Your point about her memory during the ninja story stabbing is excellent. Did Juan bring this up during cross at all? If someone truly blacks out during the commission of a crime, how could they re-envision the scenario in detail with someone else as perpetrator? To be consistent, she should have fogged out in her ninja story as well. In her delusional thinking that she’s so smart, she’s made the assumption everyone else is cognitively challenged.

    • MMD
      05/12/2013 at 9:17 am

      Nancy I think you are exactly right and it makes it even more horrific. I have always thought she could remember every single second of that day, especially TA’s slaughter and to this day gets pleasure out of replaying it in her mind. 👿 She’s just pissed that she got caught but I’m sure she is incapable of realizing the true ramifications of her verdict.

  128. 05/12/2013 at 4:24 am

    MMD :
    Exactly true Robert! I can still picture the shocked look on RK’s face.

    I remember the confused look on OJ’s face…he couldn’t believe his ears!

    • MMD
      05/12/2013 at 9:04 am

      I remember that too Mel and then his mouthing thank you to the jurors. YUCK!!!!!! I just hope that he doesn’t get anywhere with his latest appeal and they keep his butt locked up in Nevada. He is accusing Yale Galanter, who is supposed to be a decent attorney of incompetent counsel. Hey, maybe Galanter will represent John Goodman in his retrial now that Roy Black quit 😉

      • Crystal Harris
        05/12/2013 at 11:13 am

        There’s no way the motion will be granted!

  129. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/12/2013 at 5:05 am

    from an editorial in todays NY Times:

    “….The media will trumpet the release of the new D.S.M., but practicing psychiatrists will largely regard it as a nonevent. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for other institutions — insurance companies, state and government agencies, and even the courts — which will continue to imbue the D.S.M. with a precision and an authority it does not have.”

    -Sally Satel is a psychiatrist, resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and co-author of the forthcoming book “Brainwashed: The Seductive Appeal of Mindless Neuroscience.”

  130. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/12/2013 at 5:07 am

    also a link to a 30 minute video titled:”Psychopaths, the market, and life
    You’re dealing with them every day:
    Protect yourself!”


  131. Chrissie A
    05/12/2013 at 5:32 am

    Robert wanna hook up on skype? I’m under chrissiebarnett

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/12/2013 at 5:37 am

      hi Chrissie. Dont use it; maybe some day!

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/12/2013 at 5:40 am

        btw–did you see various requests for you to illustrate what Syntara would do to wobo? Something about stubby pencils in the eye 🙂

      • Chrissie A
        05/12/2013 at 7:28 am

        My Vision…

  132. Chrissie A
    05/12/2013 at 6:33 am

    Robert in Rotterdam :
    btw–did you see various requests for you to illustrate what Syntara would do to wobo? Something about stubby pencils in the eye

    Missed those – Not sure that is something I could come up with – just picturing that scenario to me is too much like of evil upon evil – I do have a few others up my sleeve, time permitting 🙂

    • 05/12/2013 at 8:04 am

      Morning everyone…~~~~waves~~~~ intense Chrissie! Great depiction

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/12/2013 at 10:07 am

      spooky and endearing at the same time!

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/12/2013 at 10:27 am

        a version of Scrooge forced to walk the desert nights for eternity (without Costco water!)

      • MMD
        05/12/2013 at 10:29 am

        so pathetic that she can remember the brand of water but expects everyone to believe her “fog”!!!!!!!!! grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

  133. 05/12/2013 at 9:32 am
    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/12/2013 at 10:14 am

      have loved all your writing on this case.

    • Crystal Harris
      05/12/2013 at 10:23 am

      Totally agree with you. I’ve come face to face with death with my own male version of Jodi Arias, so I totally get her.

    • Janna
      05/12/2013 at 11:01 am

      Excellent read – again! Love your writings. I’m keeping fingers crossed that JA doesn’t hoodwink the psych professionals at the jail. They need to bring their “A” game to the ring. Arias is a masterful, cunning adversary. Once a horror, always a horror!

      Her sickness is NOT PTSD and her plethora of demons are NOT from domestic violence. GET THAT GIRL OUT OF SOCIETY.

  134. MMD
    05/12/2013 at 10:20 am

    Morning/evening all ************waves**********

    I see that JA is tweeting again – 2 new posts up. Her followers have increased to 239 – guess no one cares anymore and it will probably drive her nuts 😀

    Jodi Arias ‏@jodiann_arias 14h

    I know my jury was exposed to @NancyGraceHLN & the rest of the programming on @HLNTV that misrepresented me. Facts misconstrued. #JodiArias

    Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@jodiann_arias 15h

    “If you give me any problem in America I can trace it down to domestic violence. It is the cradle of most of the problems…” -Salma Hayek

    • Robert in Rotterdam
      05/12/2013 at 10:25 am

      Momma MMD!!! goodday i hope

      • MMD
        05/12/2013 at 10:27 am

        Good day darlin’. it’s a rainy, nasty, damp kinda day where no one wants to get up so I guess we won’t!!! 😀

    • Crystal Harris
      05/12/2013 at 11:05 am

      Why did she start a new Twitter account?

    • Janna
      05/12/2013 at 11:06 am

      Get that girl out of society ASAP!

  135. MMD
    05/12/2013 at 10:26 am

    OT this popped up on a CNN New Alert. This is truly sad!

    Detectives on Saturday arrested the 12-year-old brother of Leila Fowler on “charges of homicide” in connection with the 8-year-old girl’s death, Calaveras County, California, Sheriff Gary Kuntz said.

    After the girl’s death, police said she and her brother were home alone on Saturday, April 27, when the boy said he saw an intruder leaving the house.

    Police said he told them he found his sister stabbed and severely wounded. She died minutes after arriving at the hospital, authorities said.

    • TexiBelle
      05/12/2013 at 10:36 am

      And chilling–the brother sounds deeply disturbed.

      • MMD
        05/12/2013 at 10:43 am

        Morning Texibelle ****waves****** maybe a JA discovered at an early age. Scary isn’t it!!

      • Robert in Rotterdam
        05/12/2013 at 10:52 am

        my first thought like MMD’s…a little wobo in the making

    • Crystal Harris
      05/12/2013 at 11:10 am

      They’ve been reporting this story on the LA news station I constantly listen to, KFI. From the very first day this sounded sketchy to me. The story just didn’t add up. The only thing the boy had going for him was the other witness who said he also saw someone fleeing the area at that time. Then the police said that witness wasn’t credible and from that moment on, I had a sinking feeling the brother did it. Sad.

  136. Robert in Rotterdam
    05/12/2013 at 10:50 am

    yes2wine :
    well I don’t know Robert.. he evokes emotion in me…. ooooolala!

    LOL! I guess that puts me in my place on that one.

    • MMD
      05/12/2013 at 10:51 am

      Yep, I guess that she does!!! 😆

  137. 05/12/2013 at 11:06 am

    good evening/morning/afternoon all **waves**

    • MMD
      05/12/2013 at 11:08 am

      Hiya darlin’ *waves* and {{{hugs}}}}

      • 05/12/2013 at 11:09 am

        Hey you!!! 😀 pleasure to read you!

  138. 05/12/2013 at 11:12 am

    This waiting until Wednesday really sux!!!! just putting it out there!!

  139. Dewey
    05/12/2013 at 11:15 am

    happy mothers day fellow moms!

  140. 05/12/2013 at 11:18 am

    MMD – RE your post above… are you saying That thing in jail tweeted this?

    “If you give me any problem in America I can trace it down to domestic violence. It is the cradle of most of the problems…” -Salma Hayek ????

    • MMD
      05/12/2013 at 11:21 am

      Yep apparently now she’s quoting actresses and HLN is the root of all her problems. Check it out yourself – here’s the link https://twitter.com/jodiann_arias

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