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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – Penalty Phase, That Did Not Happen, Continues 2

05/12/2013

Carry on!

Thx

donchais

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  1. donchais
    05/12/2013 at 11:17 am

    For those who wish to follow the Thomas retrial in the Christian/Newsom murders, WBIR and WATE stream coverage. Close to the 9am ET start, a banner goes up on the top, front page, directing to the video stream. @jamiescoop, Knoxnews, tweets from court. Trial expected to last 9 to 10 days.

    • 05/12/2013 at 11:24 am

      Thank you Donchais.

    • 05/12/2013 at 11:27 am

      Sorry to bother you Donchais.. but do you have an url? or do I just google wate stream Thomas retrial?

  2. italianchef
    05/12/2013 at 11:19 am

    thank you for this information. I knew nothing about this crime until you mentioned it. I would like to follow it. Again thank you for all your insights on Jodi and the trial. I am so glad she was found guilty of 1st!

  3. MMD
    05/12/2013 at 11:24 am

    Hello donchais ******waves********** and {{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}} from all of us. I don’t know how you go from one to the other trial. You are one strong lady and we love ya!!!

    Does the retrial start on Monday?

    • donchais
      05/12/2013 at 11:25 am

      Yuppers!

  4. 05/12/2013 at 11:31 am

    MMD seriously.. she knows the jury is tainted by HLN???? wow how to insult the jury and accuse them of lying and breaking the admonition!

    and 🙄 at the actress quote.. wow shades of LaLa “I was only looking for evidence of DV”

    • MMD
      05/12/2013 at 11:35 am

      Would just love to know who is doing the actual tweeting since now that she’s a convicted felon she would no longer be able to have contact with DonoMan. I have no doubt those are her thoughts though.

      Did you see the blurb upstairs where the 12 year old was charged with killing his 8 yr old sister? My first thought as well as Robert’s was a young JA caught early. Whatcha think darlin’?

      • 05/12/2013 at 11:37 am

        Sooo scary.. obviously they have good reason to think the brother did it?

      • Janna
        05/12/2013 at 12:14 pm

        Someone is being controlled and manipulated. Probably not Donovan though (a convicted felon with a probation officer may have been diminished to a lesser role by now).

        There is (or was) a Twitter account @JodiArias4Real that was posting nasty stuff too. Could have been an imposture or copycat type.

      • Jill
        05/12/2013 at 12:36 pm

        Is that for sure the case? I hope so, but knowing wobo, she has ways around everything and probably still has contact somehow. Or, she could have asked her last week to release prewritten tweets from her on certain days.

        I keep seeing that sweet little eight yr olds face in my mind. This world is so scary! I’m so frightened for my daughter as she grows up. The elementary school shootings, mall and movie theater shootings, abductions, etc.

      • Crystal Harris
        05/12/2013 at 1:19 pm

        It’s always scary raising kids. But it’s a fact that gun violence is down 39% in the last 20 years in the US, yet a Gallup poll showed most people believe it is up. That’s due to media coverage no doubt. During that same 20 years, the number of guns in circulation more than doubled.

      • Jill
        05/12/2013 at 2:31 pm

        Wow, interesting fact, crystal!

        I’m still anxiously awaiting seeing your show. I haven’t been able to find it on my cable still.

      • Crystal Harris
        05/12/2013 at 5:38 pm

        I’ve been told the May 15th air date has been moved back due to the Jodi Arias verdict, Cleveland kidnappings, and Benghazi. The latest I heard is that it will still air before June. I’ll let ya’ll know when I know, but it won’t be this Wed.

      • LRC
        05/12/2013 at 5:56 pm

        Whether or not Donavan can have contact with other convicted felons depends on the terms of her probation. All I’ve read is that she’s on probation until 5/22/14, but idk the specific terms.

      • Lisa M
        05/12/2013 at 9:36 pm

        You know what? When I heard that story about the intruder killing the little girl, at first I thought, wow, how horrible for the brother to come across that scene, he’ll be scarred for life. But then my jaded mind thought that perhaps he had done it. I put it out of my mind, and now, lo and behold, the brother is the suspect. What a sad world we live in that a 12-year-old would stab his sister to death and have the wherewithal to create a story about it.

  5. Jill
    05/12/2013 at 11:36 am

    Happy Mother’s Day to all mom’s!

    • MMD
      05/12/2013 at 12:12 pm

      and to you Jill 🙂

    • 05/13/2013 at 1:16 am

      Happy Mother’s Day to you as well Jill. Hope everyone had a great day!! 🙂

  6. Janna
    05/12/2013 at 11:39 am

    Dr. Randle,

    If you could interject yourself into the Psych Ward at Lower Buckeye Jail where Arias was moved, how would you proceed?

    I was in the middle of typing this comment is previous thread. By the time I clicked Post Comment, the Sandbox had already transitioned to a new thread.

    Wish there was a way to move your original comment over. Maybe if you ask nicely, Donchais could do that.

  7. Janna
    05/12/2013 at 11:52 am

    Original post by Kristina Randle
    05/12/2013 @ 9:32am
    #499

    Is Jodi Arias really suicidal? http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-is-jodi-arias-really-suicidal/

    • Family of Law
      05/12/2013 at 1:03 pm

      Thanks Janna for bringing this over! She makes some very chilling points… JA needs the DP, if for no other reason, to save Juan’s life! Can you imagine the “hit list” she has now after all these years? Mimi, the Hughes, 12 jurors, Juan, I’m sure it’s quite the “Manifesto”! My guess is, if they locked her in a cell with, a knife, a loaded gun, arsenic and a full bottle of sleeping pills, etc… She would have only used them for a “craft project”!

      • Janna
        05/12/2013 at 2:47 pm

        You make me laugh FOL. Don’t forget the rope and short stubby pencil (for her craft project).

        If i could walk in Sherriff Joe’s shoes for just 5 minutes, I’d make a courtesy phone call to Dr. DeMarte … invite her to the Lower Buckeye Jail Psych Ward observation room … give her full privileges to participate in the Arias suicide watch … then stage an intentional face-to-face encounter between Wobo and DeMarte just to let the seductive murderess know who’s in control.

        Do you think this would make her brain scramble?

      • 05/13/2013 at 1:32 am

        You need to include the stubby pencils for her to gauge her eyes out…LMAO!!! I believe it was MMD who wanted to stick the pencils in her eyes…i cant stop laughing about that. Seeing the little stubs sticking out. Hahahahaha! I LOVE the sense of humors on this board. You guys give me a good laugh eveyday. Thank you for that.

  8. Beans
    05/12/2013 at 12:07 pm

    hoping for a good day for all moms here today.

    • Jill
      05/12/2013 at 12:08 pm

      Ty:)

      • MMD
        05/12/2013 at 12:12 pm

        Thank ya darlin’ 😀

    • CC ...
      05/12/2013 at 12:34 pm

      Thank you. 🙂

  9. CC ...
    05/12/2013 at 12:34 pm

    Happy Mother’s Day to all the moms/mums here. 🙂

    • MMD
      05/12/2013 at 1:24 pm

      and to you CC 😀

      • CC ...
        05/12/2013 at 1:35 pm

        Thank you, dahhling … 🙂

  10. 05/12/2013 at 12:43 pm

    Good morning one and all. As always, Donchais-, a heartfelt Thanks for keeping us kids happy and safe in your sandbox. Yu must need to work really hard to keep the brats out and keeping it clean
    I find that I fell way behind. I have to finish the 2nd post from yesterday then I’m off to read ‘Donchais’ post on upcoming trial.
    Hope to catch up with y’all later. {{{{ hugs}}}}

    • MMD
      05/12/2013 at 1:11 pm

      Deco I carried over your post from upstairs about your unrequited love to make sure ya saw my comments and to educate you about the difference between g and J 😀

      05/11/2013 at 7:33 pm | #426 Quote
      MMD :
      They figured that they would be finished in the Friday afternoon session and either have a verdict or else be in another verdict watch – so not long at all.
      I keep telling ya that I pay attention to everything. I’m not just another pretty face ya know

      Deco:
      I’m 05/12/2013 at 10:13 am | #427 Quote
      Real life intruded. Groceries needed. Westie need a bath.s. the Big Gut needed a brushing as did the cats.
      OT,,,, MMD !?! you must know by now that I too am enamored with Juan. I’ve been shadowing him and have come to realize you ARE another pretty face. I’ve chosen to believe however it wasn’t your. Beauty he fell,for,it was your wit and intelligence . Or maybe the kids? Poor me. Like JA,I suffer from unrequited love.
      One more thing. ioaI think it was yesterday you were talking to MARGIE about pronunciation of your names. Try as I might they both sound the same to me. Repeated them over and over j-g-j-g-g-j. I don’t know if I have speech impediment now. I can say Margie but Marjie sounds the same.
      ________________________________________________________________________
      My reply – kinda got on a soapbox

      05/12/2013 at 10:13 am | #427 Quote
      Darlin’ I think that the entire world is enamoured with JM 😀 In my eyes he stands 20 feet tall because of his inner goodness, character and standards. He truly is humble but yet he is deservedly called the pit bull in court because he wants justice for all his victims simply because it is the right thing to do. The way he takes care of the Alexander family is outstanding, but in his mind, probably thinks it’s just his job but I think he goes above and beyond. I would imagine he gets invitations to numerous weddings, christenings, bar mitzvahs, etc. from grateful family members from over the years.

      I would imagine that the lazy homicide detectives dread knowing that JM is going to get their case but that the good ones, like Det. Flores are thrilled!!! With what some of these guys see, I’m sure they’ve seen their share of justice denied.

      It’s truly rare to find a civil servant as good and as focused on doing his job so well after 25 years because he sure as hell is not doing it for the money. He seems to genuinely love it and Phoenix is lucky to have him. I just wish they could clone him. Plus ya know that in his next case he is going to fight as much for justice for the dog as his owner!!

      Obviously his mother brought him up right!!! 😀

      As to the names, does Margaret sound anything like Marjorie?????? :shocked:

      By the way, sorry about your unrequited love. There seems to be a lot of that going around! 🙄

      • Janna
        05/12/2013 at 3:52 pm

        ” … In my eyes he stands 20 feet tall because of his inner goodness, character and standards …. ”

        We in this world have a gaping need for more and more JM’s and Esteban Flores characters.

        Your comments gave me tears and smiles. Now I can’t stop humming the Bad, Bad Leroy Brown lyrics …

        You see he stand about six foot four
        All the downtown ladies call him “Treetop Lover”
        All the men just call him “Sir”
        Badder than old King Kong
        Meaner than a junkyard dog

        Thanks for sharing your view from the soap box. Loved it.

      • 05/12/2013 at 5:37 pm

        GAH! I can’t believe how many typos I had in that post. Mortified.. 😦
        I totally agree with you about JM’s dedication. He earns his salary yet I’m certain he could make much more. He does what he does because he believes in the cause and the People of Phoenix are fortunate to have him.
        As to the names..lol.. Marjorie and Margaret sound Nothing alike. I was referring to the nicknames of Margie and Marjie
        They sound the same to me.
        Happy Mother’s Day . Hope the cuties are giving you snuggles and some of the best company you’ll. ever find.

  11. Janna
    05/12/2013 at 12:46 pm

    After reading the article by Dr. Randle (above), I’d love, love to hear the post-verdict thoughts and opinion of Dr. DeMarte and Jill Hayes

    • Jay
      05/12/2013 at 1:06 pm

      I liked the article, it was fun to read, but a lot of her conclusions are based on suppositions that don’t fit the facts. Here’s a version of the comments I sent to her about it:

      The post verdict interview, for instance. Arias didn’t plan to ‘buy time’ with that interview by claiming to be suicidal, as Kristina wrote. Far as I remember Arias never mentioned suicide – she said she preferred the death penalty over life without parole, and made vague references to death being the ultimate peace.

      The suicide watch after that was Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s idea. He likely did that to protect his own ass, and deflect further criticism directed at him for allowing the Arias interview with his buddies at the Fox New affiliate. If the defense team subsequently asked for further psychological evaluation for Arias you can blame it on him for sticking his nose into the post 1st degree murder verdict.

      Jodi Arias isn’t smart enough to have planned any of that in advance to ‘buy time’ with the interview. And the court cancellation on Thursday was independent of her interview: either the result of a motion the defense made to vacate the death penalty from deliberations; or the result of a bomb threat to blow up the courtroom by a suspect the police arrested just prior to the ME’s testimony.

      Really, Arias isn’t that bright, and she’s not very good at manipulating and controlling others. People adept at manipulation and control get ahead in the world way better then she did. Her control over past boyfriends was inept – they were constantly using her for sex and dumping her. At all the dead end jobs she held over the years she couldn’t manipulate herself into even a low level managerial position. The PPL job was based on sales – a profession where manipulative personalities thrive – but she was earning next to nothing at it.

      You don’t have to be that smart to kill someone one — a little planning and a lot of rage goes a long way..

      • NancyB
        05/12/2013 at 2:55 pm

        What about her tweet from May 5th???

        “I wanted so much to avoid trial but the State forced it. My only other option was suicide and,well…
        Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 13h

        I would have signed a plea years ago to avoid this disaster, but I was refused a plea as the State and the family refused to settle.
        Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 5 May”

      • Janna
        05/12/2013 at 3:17 pm

        Thanks Jay.

        The more I read and understand and process the perplexities of Jodi Arias, the more I’m inclined to believe that she’s a “unique” aberration of multiple Axis II, Cluster B disorders who needs to be swiftly removed from society and placed into an environment where she can never pose a threat or danger to another human being in her life!

      • 05/12/2013 at 3:42 pm

        Sorry but I disagree Jodi is smart and conniving enough to plan this as a matter of fact she did plan it. Called the news station the week before to set it up. I am confused at the fact of the suicide watch. Many prisoners have stated they would prefer death sentence to life and have never been put on suicide watch. She only stated she did not like the thought of spending the rest of her life in one place. Face it she had the time before she was arrested to kill herself leave a note trashing Travis and it would be over. No that didnt give her any attention… Doesnt she realize she will be in there a long time before she gets the ultimate release??? Textbook sociopath And did anyone notice all of this was still someone elses fault. If they would of given me a plea none of this would of came out its their fault.

      • Lisa M
        05/12/2013 at 11:10 pm

        I agree with part of what you’re saying. I don’t necessarily think she was trying to buy time with the interview, or that she was trying to delay the proceedings, although you never know.
        I do think she’s manipulative though. The way she came across in that interview, with her calm demeanor, while she’s attacking the prosecutor, Travis, blaming everyone but herself, intentionally hurting or trying to hurt Travis’ family. (especially when she said she couldn’t make eye contact with Travis’ family because they remind her of her abuser), all that was a somewhat successful attempt to take away any satisfaction we got from her conviction. And her words “Death is the ultimate freedom” where chosen carefully. She wants everyone to know that we can’t take away her freedom. That I think is very narcissistic and an attempt to manipulate people’s perceptions of her. And it’s what gets everyone upset, which shows that she’s pretty successful at manipulating people.
        Ultimately of course, she’s not that smart or she wouldn’t be in the situation she’s in, but I think whatever her personality disorder is– sociopath, borderline, narcissist or a combination of the above– she tends to focus on the immediate situation/opportunity and not on the big picture, so that’s where she also hurts herself. Maybe her narcissism prevented her from believing she’d get caught, for example.

      • 05/13/2013 at 1:55 am

        I agree ladies..she is def smart in her manipulative ways. She planned very carefully what she was going to say in that interview. Kristin was dead on about Jodi’s comments regarding the DP. She knew what she was saying. She’s very sneaky. She got in a few more pokes to the Alexander family as well as Juan…and her poor cry about the plea deal she wanted. The interview was all premed just like Travis’s death!

        As for the suicide thing…who knows for sure. I think between her history of suicide comments and the fact that she was just convicted of 1st degree and immediately after she made the death is freedom remarks so the Sheriff probably wanted to play it safe. Or her DT may have jumped on the DP comment and had her sent to psych for suicide watch, hoping they could buy time and review every little detail of the case hoping to find something to claim mistrial. (Whew, talk about a run in sentence lol) We all know how Worm and Will enjoy that!

  12. Family of Law
    05/12/2013 at 12:53 pm

    Hello, and Happy Mama’s Day to all of the Moms here 🙂

    Last night at a charity event, I was forced to sit at a table with a woman that I have always made a point to avoid, she is the “Queen of one ups-manship”- and values $, more than anyone I’ve ever met…and has 3 perfect children, that are better than any children in the entire world! Ack! She’s the type that asks how you are doing, just so she can tell you all about herself! Ugh! So, she was seated one over from me, and when my husband got up from the table, I lost my blocker! (Yes, he apologized…) She and I began an awkward exchange of “niceties” (after pointing out that she saw my gown on another guest, lol!) Suddenly she said, “We’ll, hopefully this trial I’ve been glued to wraps up soon, so I can get my life back”! I sat stunned for a minute, then dared to say… “The Jodi Arias trial”? She and I went on and on, back n forth for over an hour- So after 20+ years of avoiding her, I finally found ONE thing I like about her…she too wants to see JA get what she deserves, and prays for justice for Travis and his family- she actually showed sincere emotion- You could’ve knocked me over with a feather!

    • MMD
      05/12/2013 at 1:18 pm

      Hiya darlin’ and Happy Mama’s Day to you 😀

      I’m glad you found one single reason to like your table mate but I still say she’s a bitch for saying “she saw my gown on another guest”. That’s downright nasty!!! 👿

      As for all her other redeeming features (NOT) I think you’ve been smart to avoid her for 20 odd years. 😯

      • Family of Law
        05/12/2013 at 1:31 pm

        Mornin MMD! Happy Mama’s Day to you my dear!!!! Hope you and your babies are having a good day!!!
        Oh, yeah the dress comment was one of her more tame snipes, I could fill an entire page with her bitch remarks! She also shamelessly flirts with my hub, and he thinks it’s “sport” to egg her on, and she’s too vein to know he’s making fun of her! I learned a long time ago to give her a wide berth…

    • TexiBelle
      05/12/2013 at 2:00 pm

      Oh but I’m sure she watched the trial BETTER than you and wanted justice MORE than you did 🙂

      Was it an event downtown, or something in your neck of the woods?

      • MMD
        05/12/2013 at 3:07 pm

        doncha just hate people like that. She understood it better, took soooooooooooo many notes, fully understood JA and the entire DT’s strategy, never missed a second, blah, blah, blah. Plus she probably did research on everybody involved and could probably handle the case better than the attorneys and judge 🙄 I hate people like that!!!

      • Family of Law
        05/12/2013 at 3:22 pm

        Lol!!! She KNEW waaaaaay more than me, of course!!! And her heartbreak was far greater than mine, or anyones! But I stunned her with a few of my “Syn given insights”, she had no comment.
        The event was out here, held at a local C.C. (of course her great grandfather was a founding member, dontcha know!!!!)

      • MMD
        05/13/2013 at 8:21 am

        Oh so glad that you were able to use some Syn comments. 😀 We are all miles ahead of everyone else watching the trial courtesy of our Syn education at the School of Donchais. So glad she didn’t discover it!!!!!

  13. TexiBelle
    05/12/2013 at 1:04 pm

    Hi MMD! Missed your greeting before the previous thread got closed. And happy Mother’s day to all moms (of human and fur babies), daughters, and sisters out there.

    • MMD
      05/12/2013 at 1:23 pm

      That’s ok TexiBelle – I’m used to being ignored 😦 😆

  14. Family of Law
    05/12/2013 at 1:18 pm

    Syn- are you still here? I just saw your reply to me on the last thread- and let me say, if you were to ever use all of your GOODNESS, for evil, you would be the scariest stalker ever! 🙂 LOL! I’ve missed you! Hope alls been good with you!

  15. Family of Law
    05/12/2013 at 1:37 pm

    MMD- I just saw your post that included a link to JA’s tweets! What? How can this be? If she’s no longer to be in contact with Donoman? Maybe it’s her Mom? Sister? Or that idiot guy that used to visit her (can’t remember his name?). Either way it was made possible, they need to shut her down for good! Who do you think she was referring to in the tweet about “I can no longer trust this person”?

    • Commerce1
      05/12/2013 at 1:47 pm

      I’m sure she’s referring to one of her lawyers.

    • MMD
      05/12/2013 at 1:48 pm

      Could be anybody although I’d put my money on her not trusting Wurmi. According to Chris Stark she says it’s a fake account. On the other hand she said that JM’s daughter was in court and I happen to know he doesn’t have any children.

      • Family of Law
        05/12/2013 at 2:36 pm

        Hopefully she’s right on this one, and it is a fake account- and you my friend, would KNOW that Juan has no children 🙂 BTW, how’s your honeymoon going?

      • MMD
        05/12/2013 at 2:42 pm

        Just lovely! Thanks for asking. 😀

      • Janna
        05/12/2013 at 3:25 pm

        MMD … I get the Margaret v. Marjie (grin)

        But more importantly …. why oh why are you spending valuable honeymoon time posting comments & chat rooming when you could/should be doing juicier activities with the remarkable Juan???????

      • Janna
        05/12/2013 at 3:59 pm

        I wonder if Chris Stark meant to say Detective Flores’ daughter was in court?? Weren’t his wife and daughter present for the verdict?

      • MMD
        05/12/2013 at 4:25 pm

        I think she did mis-tweet and meant Det. Flores because his daughter has been in court a couple of time and she and his wife were there for the closings and verdict.

        Glad someone understands the difference between g and J 🙂

        As for being on here, just popping in every once in a while when I need a breather 😯

    • 05/13/2013 at 2:15 am

      Seems like it could be be one of many people. She manipulates her friends, family and ex boyfriends for money, favors, to lie, cover up, etc.. I don’t know if it’s just me or the way I grew up or whatever but to be great friends with All your ex-bf and hang out with and call them all the time seems different to me. Idk. Don’t shoot me,just not something I would do esp out of respect for my current significant other. Anyways, it could be Matt Mcartney, Brian Carr, Anne Campbell, Dono, Gus, any of her girlfriends, sister, brother, mother or Aunt…These people should just cut her off and let her for once feel like she has no power and that no one is going to cater to her anymore! Let her fend on her own. Alone in a dark, small, windowless cell for 23 hours a day….

      • Kathy A.
        05/13/2013 at 1:17 pm

        Yeah, the ties to her ex-boyfriends are a little unusual. I think it’s good if you can part ways with someone amicably, but she just can’t let go (until they are no longer useful to her). You notice, though, that she puts in all the effort to go see them; doesn’t seem like they were beating a path to her door, and that includes Travis. I still can’t figure out why some of these men are so enchanted with her, especially after seeing what she’s capable of. After all, her hooha is not lined with gold. The entire world has seen it and nope, no gold there. As for her very few friends, I imagine Donoman especially is going to jump ship as soon as the limelight and her own 15 minutes of fame go away and her association with JA is no longer beneficial to her.

      • SCK
        05/13/2013 at 1:29 pm

        Maybe it’s the mitigation specialist. Wobo passes the journal off to her after court each day….I know I know…why would she risk her job like that, but there was clear evidence that she was passing stuff to Mama Wobo so she could be the avenue.

  16. donchais
    05/12/2013 at 2:43 pm

    OK, stupid off-topic thing…I hate all things creepy, crawly…the 17 year cycle of brood-two cicadas starts any day now…millions, gazillions, of these buggers will be out for a month or two…they are so noisy looking for mates, they literally drown out the noise of overhead planes…they are so invasive, peeps come out with shovels and garbage cans to shovel up the carcasses…I’ll be in my basement with my laptop…for next few months…they so freak me out. Accccckkkk

    • MMD
      05/12/2013 at 3:01 pm

      Oh darlin’ you poor thing. Have the cicada killing wasps arrived yet?

      • donchais
        05/12/2013 at 3:06 pm

        Never heard of that…literally will not be happy for a long time…just really freaked out till the season is over…the dead carcasses stink hugely…thank god for the weekly yard crew!

    • NancyB
      05/12/2013 at 3:01 pm

      I sooo get it and greatly sympathize. One of the benefits I definitely noted when I moved across the country 10 yrs ago.

    • MMD
      05/12/2013 at 3:11 pm

      The cicada invasion is about to begin.

      Bring on the cicada-killer wasps.

      Residents from North Carolina to Connecticut are bracing for the Brood II cicada invasion, 17 years in the making.

      The numbers are staggering. According to Charlotte, N.C., NBC station WCNC, Gary Hevel of the Smithsonian Institution says as many as 1 trillion lie in wait underground.

      Also, the station reports, the insects will outnumber humans 600 to 1. Perhaps even more staggering: There will be some 1 billion cicadas per square mile in the affected areas.

      But that’s not all. On the heels of the cicadas come wasps that like to make meals out of cicadas. But even they may not be able to handle the swarms of singing insects.

      “With the large swarms of cicadas emerging over the next few weeks, you can expect many more cicada killers,” First Warn Storm Team Chief Meteorologist Brad Panovich told WCNC. “But even they won’t be able to keep up with the swarms coming.”

      Cicadas are harmless to humans. The large species of wasp is usually harmless to humans, though females can sting if provoked.

      Cicadas spend most of their lives underground. Near the end of their lifespans they emerge to climb trees, shed their exoskeletons and mate. Both females and males die soon after the females lay their eggs.

      The next generation will emerge in 2030 to repeat the cycle all over again.

      • donchais
        05/12/2013 at 3:14 pm

        Wowsers!

      • Lisa M
        05/12/2013 at 9:40 pm

        Dear God!

    • MMD
      05/12/2013 at 3:12 pm

      BTW did ya ever get that fallen tree out of your back yard????

      • donchais
        05/12/2013 at 3:17 pm

        LOL! They stood me up for over a month after I accepted their bid…got a call Friday, they will be here Monday, 8-8:30 to begin…should been done by afternoon Tues! Good memory GF!

  17. NancyB
    05/12/2013 at 3:25 pm

    Robert – In response to your comment from the previous thread:

    I totally agree with you & Ringading!

    There is a 4/30/13 court document that discusses how many hours Mitigation Specialist Maria De La Rosa has billed the county for – in case you are curious, the court has ordered De La Rosa to be paid for 120 hours for work done during the guilt phase of the trial alone.

    The 4/30/13 entry states:

    “IT IS ORDERED the Office of Public Defense shall pay the mitigation specialist, Maria De La Rosa, compensation for 120 hours of services rendered during the guilt phase of the trial”.

    http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/052013/m5750389.pdf

    I have no respect for this Mitigation Specialist. She along with Donavon & her sidekick Ann Campbell, were the only 3 people in the courtroom who loudly burst out laughing in open court when ALV so self- righteously had the colossal nerve to ask Juan if he was angry with her. She is an officer of the court. I expect such crass behavior from ex-felon Donavon who set a building on fire with PEOPLE inside but never from someone at De LaRosa’s level.

    As an aside, now that the state has paid her for 120 hours as of the end of April, I wonder why JA didn’t send her packing long ago, since she wants the DP! Too bad the interviewer did not ask her that question during her post verdict interview.

    • Family of Law
      05/12/2013 at 3:58 pm

      Happy Mother’s Day Nancy!

      I completely agree! Her “buddy behavior” is very disrespectful! The way she burst into giggles when LaLa said, “Mr. Martinez, if you were in one of my groups, I’d give you a time out”, was unprofessional to say the least (as is her courtroom wardrobe). 120 hours of wasted time and taxpayers $! Even JA seems to understand that she does not have any mitigating factors to use to her benefit.

      Thank you for your post on the previous page re: what Travis’s suffering must have been like, it’s inhuman what she did to him, truly evil! I’ve always thought the video of her interrogation with Flores while telling the ninja story had lots of hidden truths to the actual events- and you pointing out the part when she was saying, “he said he couldn’t move his legs”, gave me the chills!!! I wish you were able to testify! I hope Dr. Horn makes his points as well as you did-

      • Crystal Harris
        05/12/2013 at 5:35 pm

        What about Travis’ family? Where is their Victim Advocate? They’re entitled to one who is allowed to accompany them to all court proceedings, etc. I had one when I went through the criminal court proceedings. When it came time for me to testify, the advocate is allowed to sit near me on the stand for support since I am a victim-witness. My husband’s defense objected and made her sit really far away so that basically I couldn’t even see her and she provided no support except in between proceedings. So unfair.

      • Jay
        05/12/2013 at 7:19 pm

        Maybe there is a Victim’s Advocate with them, but staying low key and out of sight.

        Maricopa County provides those services:

        THE VICTIM SERVICES DIVISION OFFERS:

        VICTIM ADVOCATES

        Highly trained and experienced professionals who assist victims and families involved in cases that are currently in the criminal justice system. In addition to providing important emotional support, victim advocates assist with social service needs, serve as a liaison with the prosecutor handling the case and provide case related information/updates or criminal justice related information.

      • MMD
        05/13/2013 at 8:27 am

        Crystal – Katiecoolady has made a few references to the Alexander family’s VA. I think she sits either behind or in front of them.

    • Kristi
      05/12/2013 at 6:23 pm

      Nancy B you bring up a good point that makes me wonder WTH the defense team was thinking. I was on an expert witness list for the plaintiff in a trial, was deposed and appeared to testify but didn’t actually get called. The attorney who hired me gave specific instrruction as to what i was to wear (business suit, skirt, neutral tones), even down to my hairstyle (up, professional) and nails (manicured, no polish color). I would have dressed that way anyway but I got the impression this was SOP for witnesses. As attorneys, I would think they would know that every witness or defense team member could sway opinion and to allow all of their witnesses to show up frumpy, weird, disheveled, and bringing friends is really bizarre.

    • ringadingding
      05/12/2013 at 9:20 pm

      It makes no sense. I’m wondering if she billed for hours trolling discussion boards and blogs to float hair-brained mitigation factors.

      • Lisa M
        05/12/2013 at 10:51 pm

        I know, what an easy gig. She gets to sit in court and bill for those hours too.

      • MMD
        05/13/2013 at 8:26 am

        I’m sure she did 😦 all being billed to the poor AZ taxpayers.

    • Lisa M
      05/12/2013 at 9:46 pm

      I agree with your last comment. This interviewer, by the way, didn’t ask her any tough questions. I wouldn’t be surprised if she scripted the questions herself. He should have asked her how her mother would feel about her choosing the death penalty? Since Jodi had just said her mother was a saint, and she’d never treated her right, wouldn’t choosing to die be another example of putting her own needs before those of her family? And what about her defense team? He should have asked her how they’d feel. Not that I care, but he just gave her so many easy questions. He talked to her like he actually thought she was a normal person and not a sociopath.

      • Commerce1
        05/13/2013 at 1:21 am

        He’s kissing her ass because he wants to remain on her preferred interviewer list. He’s hoping to get another interview from her after she gets the death penalty. It means big money, ratings, recognition, and possibly awards for him. He doesn’t want to piss her off and end up on the list with Nancy Grace and the other HLN reporters.

      • Kathy A.
        05/13/2013 at 1:22 pm

        How exactly did her mother go from being an abusive b**tch who beat her with a wooden spoon and apparently deserved to be kicked (in JA’s mind), to a saint?

  18. md_6953@hotmail.com
    05/12/2013 at 4:43 pm

    Happy Mother’s Day to all from Massachusetts. Hope every Mom is having a wonderful day. Does anyone have an idea what a day is like in a psych ward….hopefully, it’s not wonderful for the evil one. A lot of years before, (back in the 60s) I worked in a state hospital where there was a psych ward and it wasn’t a day a the beach to put it mildly.

    So looking forward to watching the outcome on Wednesday. ~~~~hugs and waves~~~~ md

    • Lisa M
      05/12/2013 at 9:49 pm

      All I know is you’re closely watched and I believe you have to wear a paper outfit, so there’s nothing you can hurt yourself with. I also heard there was a common area with a TV where they’re sometimes allowed but we already know that that jail doesn’t allow any cable channels like HLN and CNN but I think they might just have a few local channels. You’re also kept in a cell by yourself I believe and depending on how high the risk of suicide is, you may be in a glass enclosure so that you’re watched at all times. Supposedly Jodi is being checked on every 15 minutes.

  19. Janna
    05/12/2013 at 4:53 pm

    MMD :
    I think she did mis-tweet and meant Det. Flores because his daughter has been in court a couple of time and she and his wife were there for the closings and verdict.
    Glad someone understands the difference between g and J
    As for being on here, just popping in every once in a while when I need a breather

    MMD (left you a comment upstairs; check in the 30’s)

    ” … when I need a breather … ” LMBO

  20. Kristi
    05/12/2013 at 6:11 pm

    Moon: this a reply to your speculations in the last sandbox regarding the marks on Travis Alexander’s body that appear to be scratches. I noticed those too and thought it was interesting that no reports mentioned them. In the last alive photo when he is in the shower, it appears like he might have some at the top of his thighs too, so I thought they might be stretch marks? It looks like he was chubbier when he was younger, maybe that is what we are seeing.

    • HJ Madison
      05/12/2013 at 6:54 pm

      I hate to say as I know some disagree — but when I first saw those scratches I wondered about the sexual encounter that same afternoon???

    • ringadingding
      05/12/2013 at 9:08 pm

      My first impression was that they were scratches, but I took a closer look at one image where it appears to be water droplets shooting down the shower door at an angle. The color is deceiving, but I think that’s an effect of low lighting. Also, if they were scratch marks, wouldn’t it have been brought up at trial?

    • 05/13/2013 at 3:09 am

      I also noticed what she was talking about around his neck. Almost looks like a scar or something. Very creepy. The marks on his back looked like freckles to me but now I see what your saying.

      I know someone said this a while ago but, if Jodi is such an amazing photographer (as she and some of her old friends claim) why are the pictures so dark and shitty? The poses she has him do make no sense. Why take a picture of the square of someone’s back? Or the one of him sitting with his head cut out? They are of no artistic value and I believe that was not a planned photo session as she claims. She def snuck up on him and was all like do this pose baby…and this way..that way…then went in for the kill. Dim lighting, naked, wet, possibly soapy or if he was washing his hair and his eyes were closed that would be be a perfect time to shove the knife into his chest upwards if she was crouching then stood up fast as she was stabbing into him.

  21. Lisa M
    05/12/2013 at 10:09 pm

    Patti Horton :
    Sorry but I disagree Jodi is smart and conniving enough to plan this as a matter of fact she did plan it. Called the news station the week before to set it up. I am confused at the fact of the suicide watch. Many prisoners have stated they would prefer death sentence to life and have never been put on suicide watch. She only stated she did not like the thought of spending the rest of her life in one place. Face it she had the time before she was arrested to kill herself leave a note trashing Travis and it would be over. No that didnt give her any attention… Doesnt she realize she will be in there a long time before she gets the ultimate release??? Textbook sociopath And did anyone notice all of this was still someone elses fault. If they would of given me a plea none of this would of came out its their fault.

    I also think putting her on suicide watch was questionable. She never said in the interview that she planned to kill herself. In my opinion the reason why she said she wanted the death penalty was because she wanted to say f-u to everyone; she was retaliating against the jury, the prosecutor, the family, Travis, “society” that needs someone to persecute. Her motives were to lash out at those she blames for her fate and to show them that they have no power over her, they don’t decide her fate, she does Also, when she said she didn’t want to spend the rest of her life in one place, she was not only trying to create the illusion that she still makes her own decisions; she was downplaying the harsh reality of her life (she won’t just be spending her life in one place, she’ll be spending it behind bars and have no control over anything). She made it sound like she’d just have to spend the rest of her life in her hometown or something. That’s a way of maintaining the illusion that her life isn’t that bad; she doesn’t want people to pity her. And I think that when she said death is the ultimate freedom it was her way of saying I have the ultimate control over whether or not I’m free, not you.
    This was just a big manipulative ploy to show everyone she’s above it all, this decision doesn’t really affect her, she’s still in control of her life. And she’ll never stop this manipulative BS. As long as she has a forum, twitter, media, whatever, she’ll continue doing it. And did I hear it right? The interviewer actually asked her at the end how she planned to spend the rest of her life (?!) and she said she hadn’t decided yet. Maybe that was the part that got the jail officials upset, because the only decision she has to make now is whether she lives or dies, and maybe they interpreted her saying she hadn’t decided yet as a consideration of suicide (?)

    • ringadingding
      05/12/2013 at 10:29 pm

      I think they put her in a psych unit just to put a damper on her media blitz (didn’t she have another interview lined up with Greta Van Sustern?). Her comments in the interview about death as freedom would give enough cause, plus who knows what she told her attorneys after the verdict. They probably welcomed restrictions being placed on her so that they could form some sort of end game without looking like Keystone Cops. Well, too late for that, I guess.

      • Jay
        05/12/2013 at 11:11 pm

        The political saavy Sheriff put her in the psych unit for 24 hour watch, to protect his ass after allowing the interview. The quick negative feedback must have caught him off guard. The last thing he’d want was for her to try or fake suicide, so he whisked her out of the general population jail, away from friendly contacts there. His office also announced there would be no more interviews. And though there are reports she’s tweeting again via surrogates, she’s not supposed to have phone privileges, except to communicate with her defense team. And I doubt she’s having a good time under suicide watch. Reports indicate the jail and the ward are no-nonsense places. Suicide watch prisoners are monitored every 15 minutes. That means no privacy. And no writing implements. And nobody sucking up to her for autographs. And if there’s any justice in her situation, her nurse will have a propensity for administering daily enemas

      • 05/13/2013 at 3:25 am

        LMAO Jay!!!! Enemas! I hope so 🙂 I like your reasoning as to why the Sheriff whisked her away. Makes total sense and it also rained on Jodis parade for possible future interviews. Who knows how many she had up her sleeve?

        Lisa- That is 100% Jodi-ism! She will never show emotions that make her look weak or defeated. She will continue to play tough guy even when her insides are twisted beyond help. No way will she let anyone think she was lost this battle even though she got 1st Degree. It’s like oh well, no biggie…give me a needle and I’ll go to sleep and reunite with Travis and finally have him to myself. Only thing wrong with that is Travis is upstairs…shes in the basement.

      • 05/13/2013 at 3:36 am

        Oh, one last thing…What the hell kind of answer did the interviewer expect when he asked Jodi how she planned to spend the rest of her life? Really? What the hell options does she have? Sleep. Eat. Shit. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

        And not wanting to spend her life in one place? Lord have mercy on my soul! Does she think she can prison hop? She will not accept reality even when the cell door is slammed and locked.

        Wow.

    • Crystal Harris
      05/13/2013 at 12:57 am

      I also interpreted her comment of “death being the ultimate freedom” as Jodi saying that she is going to heaven if she dies…like she’s good with God. Of course, no one knows Jodi’s heart or private prayers to God, but we do know her public stance and can surmise her lack of remorse means that she has not asked for forgiveness for her sins and therefore she is NOT forgiven, and not going to heaven.

      • Commerce1
        05/13/2013 at 1:11 am

        Crystal – Good luck to you this week. Hope things go your and your sons’ way. I’ll be thinking about you and hoping for the best!

      • Crystal Harris
        05/13/2013 at 10:20 am

        Thank you!! I’m so anxious!

  22. Lisa M
    05/12/2013 at 10:50 pm

    She had another interview with Greta Van Sustern? Wow. I didn’t know that. Why am I surprised? I saw a brief interview with Sheriff Arapaio where he said he has an open door policy with the media. How ironic! An open-door policy in a prison! But I mean, you can’t just allow inmates to use the media for their pulpit. I mean, on one hand, turnabout is fair play. I mean, the media’s hasn’t been portraying Arias in a very good light. But then again, free speech, is that something that people convicted of first degree murder are allowed?

    • ringadingding
      05/13/2013 at 12:13 am

      I don’t know if she had it lined up or if it was a rumor…but regardless, the psych hold put the kibosh on JA’s death penalty tour.

      • Crystal Harris
        05/13/2013 at 12:59 am

        Jodi had indeed been alluding to working with the local Fox News station for several weeks prior to the verdict.

  23. 05/13/2013 at 1:10 am

    Donoman, family or maybe Matt is probably running JA new twitter account. I bet this time she won’t admit it to anyone therefore, they have no proof it’s the real JA. So, once again Jodi acts like a bratty don’t tell me what to do child! She might even give her family notes to give to Dono in discrete.

    Has anyone heard any updates on La La?? Were her lectures really cancelled or was that a rumor? Im dying to know how this have affected her life… also what she thinks of Jodi now since she has seen more interrogation videos and possibly more paperwork she didn’t see before. ?? I would love to see her do a interview with someone..maybe Barbara Walters?

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 8:37 am

      I would love to know what has happened with ALV and Dr. Quack as well. I sincerely hope they realize that they sold their reputations for someone who probably will never have contact with them again, even if they asked!!! Used, abused and discarded!!

  24. NancyB
    05/13/2013 at 2:10 am

    A few loose ends that still bug me:

    I still have a hard time believing that 9 days after telling her she’s the worst thing that ever happened to him that he would let her in willingly and have sex with her – especially after having been to his bishop and apparently confessing (telling people he wasn’t temple worthy), I don’t see him just saying “What the hey, she’s here, I’m here, why not?”

    I just don’t think so. But I also cannot come up with a reasonable explanation of why those pics are on his camera.

    Oh, and what happened to the “I got there at three or four in the morning and almost changed my mind, but saw a light up in Travis’s bedroom so I knocked and Travis answered the door and Naps was barking” story? Doesn’t seem like Travis knew about any visit from Jodi in that version does it? It went along with the Travis and a friend dropping by late at night to see me once story.

    And how could the pic of her bum be taken 50 seconds before the nearly-asleep picture of him? That just doesn’t even seem possible, much less likely. I assume those photos had the 4 Jun date on them or they wouldn’t even be considered.

    Travis’ roommate claims the Floor Cleaner was NOT put together on June 3. My thought is after the sex he may have started moving the furniture and putting the Cleaner together as a way to get her out of his house. We know the photos were taken around 1:30. I always wondered what they did for the remaining couple of hours.

    Yes, he was likely ignoring her after the sex. Jodi mentions, during her interrogation, that Travis moved the furniture to begin cleaning the floor, and because of that, she couldn’t sit on the couch. To me, she sounded miffed about it–i.e., it was a significant part of the afternoon. I think he got side-tracked on the cleaning and abandoned it; I think, maybe they were arguing for hours.

    Is it possible Jodi could have uploaded those nudie/sex pics from her own camera/laptop to Travis’s camera’s memory card? Such that they’d have the 4 Jun date, but were not really taken that day? Is that even possible?

    I know, Occam’s Razor and all that. Just wondering.

    • HJ Madison
      05/13/2013 at 3:12 am

      Hi Nancy: I have no problem with the sexual activity prior to the killing and here is why. First, we don’t actually know what caused the exchange May 26th. We speculate, but we don’t know. Second, it seems to me we fail to consider Travis and his nature. He was a SWEET guy! And more than anything, when you have a WOBO-like person in your life whom you have cared for, you want to BELIEVE in the worst way they are not what you suspect they are. I can see it now so easily. He is working in the office. She creeps in with her gifts (CD’s and maybe more), as she says, she watches him for a bit and when he looks up there she is. She has dyed her hair (in her mind to look more like Mimi and Deanna), he is taken aback by her presence. She starts the sob story ….. “I was wrong … I have changed (look, I even changed my hair color)…. you are my best friend ever …. sometimes I do stupid things because I miss you … I would never hurt you … It all was a terrible mistake…forgiveness is an important part of our faith …… please forgive me…… blah blah blah …. and being the kind hearted soul that he was, he took the bait. She sobs, he comforts her. They go upstairs ONLY to rest. They cuddle a bit and sleep. At noon she seduces him … she promises it is their last encounter …. just one more for old time sake. They get out the new camera and play around. They delete photos as they go along. She knows he will shower and so suggests the “photo-shoot”, just to document his improved physique. She also suggests the Calvin Klein ad, etc … and when she gets him down, in the shower, she strikes.

      He was a doll! How many guys do you know who would be as kind as he after she literally drug his Beamer behind her Uhaul and destroyed it. She did so many dump-worthy things! And it was not strickly about sex — I think he had genuine compassion for her. Who knows what tales she told him about her past … all lies meant to reel in her big fish!

      • NancyB
        05/13/2013 at 10:47 am

        Thanks HJ! Your version is one that I can envision and let my loose ends go, so thanks a lot for taking the time to post. I’m convinced that there is zero chance that Judge Stephens would grant the defense’s motion requiring videotaping the Alexander’s VIS. I’ve read the law and their motion is in violation of the Alexander’s rights as written in AZ law, so I feel better about that.

  25. 05/13/2013 at 2:26 am

    I have a question. I know it’s probably a very stupid one but something I really wanna know. Can you tell me what a mitigation specialist actually does? Who hires her-Jodi? DT? Where does she sit in the court room? Thank you guys once again for answering my questions 🙂

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 8:44 am

      She is a requirement during a DP trial and her work product is for the penalty phase. I think I read that MS are supposed to go back 3 generations looking for anything that could save her life. They are independent contractors but are paid by the state. She said at the table by herself (showing too much boobage at times) directly behind the defense team and whenever JA was at the table alone, she would come and sit with her.

    • Jay
      05/13/2013 at 8:49 am

      The cynical answer is someone hired to make monsters seem human enough for mercy and not receive the death penalty.

      They’re required in most jurisdictions to prevent reversals on appeal for inadequate legal representation. There were three or four relevant SCOTUS decisions in the past addressing those issues, and as a preventative measure most states now include mitigation advocates as part of the defense in capital murder trials.

  26. Janna
    05/13/2013 at 2:30 am

    The segment that was left out of the 48 Hours interview. Watch the lies!!! OMG!! She said she ripped up the notes.

    • HJ Madison
      05/13/2013 at 3:33 am

      All that I can think about is golf pencils plunged into her eyeballs, cockeyed, of course! I love how she tried to move off the real subject by starting to explain the punishment for note passing! “oh the horror of it!”

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 8:45 am

      Why do I get this video is private – could it be because I’m in Canada?

      • Kristi
        05/13/2013 at 10:14 am

        I got the same and I’m in California.

      • truejustice
        05/13/2013 at 10:25 am

        No.. It’s you tube. They are really cracking down on links/video posted from their site

    • 05/13/2013 at 10:15 am

      It’s private for me also

  27. Tracey A
    05/13/2013 at 3:10 am

    WhereIsSHE
    05/11/2013 at 8:43 pm | #125
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    Busy, busy weekend here.
    Haven’t refreshed this page in many hours, but just skimming and saw your question.
    Likely that someone else has answered by now– but at the risk of refreshing the page and losing patience with scrolling…

    Where we are headed now is directly to the next phase of this case, whether Jodi likes it or not.
    She cannot forever delay the proceedings with her antics.

    It is clear to anyone observing now that she was COMPLETELY “FOS” (Full Of Shit) when she told that reporter in her sherriff’s office approved, post-verdict interview that she “wanted” the death penalty.

    Not only has she, yet again, drawn the focus off of her horrific crime and onto her “poor Jodi” bandwagon, but she has clearly approved of her lawyers filing a motion seeking the court to order the victim impact statements be pre-recorded (so that none of the family members engages in some form of outburst, or otherwise impermissible conduct/makes objectionable statements, etc).
    IF she truly WANTED the DP, she would not have orchestrated this psych-ward nonsense, NOR would she have APPROVED (which is NECESSARY, btw) of her attorneys filing this motion.

    Be that as it may…
    Jodi is on her way to the next phase of this trial, whether she likes it or not.
    They have her where THEY want her now.
    She will be attended to with such detail that she will not have any further excuse/card to play.

    It is over for her.
    The aggravation phase will be short and to the point.
    She has ZERO control over that. (And that is driving her behavior the most, IMO.)

    Then… watch her ENJOY the penalty phase, because that is when she gets to present evidence of MITIGATION, which will be comprised of more of the “poor Jodi” type of testimony that she loves the most.

    But never you worry.
    Time is on the state’s side.

    All 12 jurors agreed on PREMEDITATION.
    ALL of them.
    The felony-murder alternative was thrown in just to ensure that all 12 agreed on murder 1.
    Here, you have ALL agreeing on premed, and 7 of the 12 ALSO agreeing on the felony-murder alternative.

    Not only does it not bode well for her (in a DP vs. LWOP situation) that ALL 12 agreed on premeditation, it also does not bode well for her on appeal (in terms of legal arguments about AZ law which permits a jury to be split on how/why, but still agrees on degree of 1st) that are now completely MOOT. (I cannot tell you what a sigh of relief I exhaled when the remainder of the verdict was read and learned that ALL 12 agreed on premeditation.)

    I know there different interpretations about WHY Jodi said she PREFERRED the DP.
    Unlike others, I also know that it is impossible to know, with any degree of CERTAINTY, what she intended (because no matter how educated and experienced one might be, there are absolutely ZERO SCIENTIFIC STUDIES which validate such predictions).
    But I do know this:
    Death Row is the last place ANY person who enjoys even the smallest degree of human contact, feeling clean (daily shower, for example), feeling cared about, feeling appreciated–on ANY level, etc. would EVER wish to spend a single HOUR, let alone an entire DAY.
    (Think about how trapped you feel when, for example, your flight is delayed due to weather–something over which you have NO CONTROL– and you are stuck in the terminal at the airport for just an additional couple of hours. You still have the ability to select and buy an entire range of items, from food, beverages, books, magazines, gadgets, etc. You often still have places to plug in your e-devices to use and/or charge them. You have restrooms with privacy.. and mirrors. You have large windows, showing the outside world so you can see what it going on outside of your “trapped” environmlent. Well, that is a world of delightful freedom to someone who is locked up on death row. And think again… just an additional couple of hours in that terminal becomes a “nightmare!” or “hell on Earth!” to many people who are simply accustomed to having complete freedom to do whatever and go whereever they please.)

    My long-ass point is this:
    I think Jodi knows where this jury is about to send her, and I think she understands that she will be there for YEARS and YEARS before any initial execution date is set (which will not remain the true date), and I think she is intently focused on throwing whatever monkeywrench she has at her disposal into this process.

    The bad news for those who lack a few days patience is that they are going to allow her to, yet again, exasporate them.

    The worse news for Jodi is that she is going where she is going, and there is no escape from it.
    Moon
    05/11/2013 at 11:21 pm | #126
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    ahhhhh how much better you make me feel! Your insight is invaluable! ty ty nice to ‘read’ you again!

    Tracey A
    05/11/2013 at 1:56 am | #127
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    Hey everybody. Just had to jump in here. Greetings to all.

    Chrissie A
    05/11/2013 at 2:45 am | #128
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    Hey Trace!!! Decided to check in and here you are! I am so with you on this -The main reason I get interested in any trial is for the legal aspects. Not saying that the psyche that is Ariarse was not fascinating, but that is over now, otherwise we are drinking her kool-aid, ’nuff said on that – I’d love some more feedback on the ongoing legalities within the case, especially of what any may think Juantastic has up his sleeve – tx 🙂
    Tracey A
    05/11/2013 at 2:49 am | #129
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    Yeah! I’m sprodiac these days. Glad to see you here Honey! So glad we get it. Where you been?????
    WhereIsSHE
    05/11/2013 at 9:15 pm | #130
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    Hey Chrissie=)
    I think you have been following intently enough to know precisely what Juan has up his sleeve.

    The aggravtor is straight forward in this case. Juan likes to moves things along. Dr. Horn will handle that in short order.

    And, as we all now know from watching the videotaped interviews of Jodi’s parents, there is almost too much fodder r Juan to “play” with on cross of either or both of Jodi’s parents should they be called to testify on her behalf.

    If the grandmother comes in on her behalf… what is with the wheelchair in the courtroom … and then the walking as fast as anyone half her age in the parking lot after the verdict??
    If her sister comes in, well… that would have to be her “stupid” sister, right???
    If her brother, well… I hear he posted on social media (hings that might not be good for his big sis).

    Jodi admitted to cruelty against a FAMILY PET– a DOG, no less.
    Out of pure frustration, no less.

    There
    WhereIsSHE
    05/11/2013 at 9:29 pm | #131
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    And the list goes on.
    Any pysch expert who gets called to testify on her behalf will be subject to the same issues that Juan could raise with each and every family member.

    Now, having said that–
    You certainly don’t want to go overkill (pardon the epression) on this.
    You do not want to call Jodi/portray her to be “the devil carnate”.
    The goal here is to convince the jury that no matter w “nice” she may have been in her past and/or no matter how kindly others might member her and so describe her, the fact that she was CAPABLE of PLANNING and CARRYING OUT such a twisted, hinous and CRUEL murder says more about her NOW than all of whatever grouping of kind words can be said about her from her DISTANT past.

    As for her claims of child abuse at the hands of her mother and father, well… plenty for Juan to cross aut that. The parents deneid it, first of all. There are no records to substantiate any of it, as far as we know. But even if it did take place–and let’s fac eit– SOMETHING went very wrong with this woman at some point– she also has siblings who are not in trouble with the law, etc.

    I also think that it almost doesnt matter what Juan chooses to explore here, because this is such a unique situtaion.
    Jodi TESTIFIED in front of them0-and LIED her ass off in front of them and TO them– for 18 faking days!
    They didn’t believe she was some abuse victim, fighting for her life.
    So what makes anyone think that they will “buy” whatever she is selling to save her life??

    Not looking good for Jodi.
    WhereIsSHE
    05/11/2013 at 9:33 pm | #132
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    lol… or the “devil INcarnate”!
    The program this website employs drives me crazy with the comment box issues!

    I would say that the “devil” was the culprit, except that I am one of the people here who prefer to place my “faith” in SCIENCE vs. religion.

    WhereIsSHE
    05/11/2013 at 8:43 pm | #125
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    Busy, busy weekend here.
    Haven’t refreshed this page in many hours, but just skimming and saw your question.
    Likely that someone else has answered by now– but at the risk of refreshing the page and losing patience with scrolling…

    Where we are headed now is directly to the next phase of this case, whether Jodi likes it or not.
    She cannot forever delay the proceedings with her antics.

    It is clear to anyone observing now that she was COMPLETELY “FOS” (Full Of Shit) when she told that reporter in her sherriff’s office approved, post-verdict interview that she “wanted” the death penalty.

    Not only has she, yet again, drawn the focus off of her horrific crime and onto her “poor Jodi” bandwagon, but she has clearly approved of her lawyers filing a motion seeking the court to order the victim impact statements be pre-recorded (so that none of the family members engages in some form of outburst, or otherwise impermissible conduct/makes objectionable statements, etc).
    IF she truly WANTED the DP, she would not have orchestrated this psych-ward nonsense, NOR would she have APPROVED (which is NECESSARY, btw) of her attorneys filing this motion.

    Be that as it may…
    Jodi is on her way to the next phase of this trial, whether she likes it or not.
    They have her where THEY want her now.
    She will be attended to with such detail that she will not have any further excuse/card to play.

    It is over for her.
    The aggravation phase will be short and to the point.
    She has ZERO control over that. (And that is driving her behavior the most, IMO.)

    Then… watch her ENJOY the penalty phase, because that is when she gets to present evidence of MITIGATION, which will be comprised of more of the “poor Jodi” type of testimony that she loves the most.

    But never you worry.
    Time is on the state’s side.

    All 12 jurors agreed on PREMEDITATION.
    ALL of them.
    The felony-murder alternative was thrown in just to ensure that all 12 agreed on murder 1.
    Here, you have ALL agreeing on premed, and 7 of the 12 ALSO agreeing on the felony-murder alternative.

    Not only does it not bode well for her (in a DP vs. LWOP situation) that ALL 12 agreed on premeditation, it also does not bode well for her on appeal (in terms of legal arguments about AZ law which permits a jury to be split on how/why, but still agrees on degree of 1st) that are now completely MOOT. (I cannot tell you what a sigh of relief I exhaled when the remainder of the verdict was read and learned that ALL 12 agreed on premeditation.)

    I know there different interpretations about WHY Jodi said she PREFERRED the DP.
    Unlike others, I also know that it is impossible to know, with any degree of CERTAINTY, what she intended (because no matter how educated and experienced one might be, there are absolutely ZERO SCIENTIFIC STUDIES which validate such predictions).
    But I do know this:
    Death Row is the last place ANY person who enjoys even the smallest degree of human contact, feeling clean (daily shower, for example), feeling cared about, feeling appreciated–on ANY level, etc. would EVER wish to spend a single HOUR, let alone an entire DAY.
    (Think about how trapped you feel when, for example, your flight is delayed due to weather–something over which you have NO CONTROL– and you are stuck in the terminal at the airport for just an additional couple of hours. You still have the ability to select and buy an entire range of items, from food, beverages, books, magazines, gadgets, etc. You often still have places to plug in your e-devices to use and/or charge them. You have restrooms with privacy.. and mirrors. You have large windows, showing the outside world so you can see what it going on outside of your “trapped” environmlent. Well, that is a world of delightful freedom to someone who is locked up on death row. And think again… just an additional couple of hours in that terminal becomes a “nightmare!” or “hell on Earth!” to many people who are simply accustomed to having complete freedom to do whatever and go whereever they please.)

    My long-ass point is this:
    I think Jodi knows where this jury is about to send her, and I think she understands that she will be there for YEARS and YEARS before any initial execution date is set (which will not remain the true date), and I think she is intently focused on throwing whatever monkeywrench she has at her disposal into this process.

    The bad news for those who lack a few days patience is that they are going to allow her to, yet again, exasporate them.

    The worse news for Jodi is that she is going where she is going, and there is no escape from it.
    Moon
    05/11/2013 at 11:21 pm | #126
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    ahhhhh how much better you make me feel! Your insight is invaluable! ty ty nice to ‘read’ you again!

    Tracey A
    05/11/2013 at 1:56 am | #127
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    Hey everybody. Just had to jump in here. Greetings to all.

    Chrissie A
    05/11/2013 at 2:45 am | #128
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    Hey Trace!!! Decided to check in and here you are! I am so with you on this -The main reason I get interested in any trial is for the legal aspects. Not saying that the psyche that is Ariarse was not fascinating, but that is over now, otherwise we are drinking her kool-aid, ’nuff said on that – I’d love some more feedback on the ongoing legalities within the case, especially of what any may think Juantastic has up his sleeve – tx 🙂
    Tracey A
    05/11/2013 at 2:49 am | #129
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    Yeah! I’m sprodiac these days. Glad to see you here Honey! So glad we get it. Where you been?????
    WhereIsSHE
    05/11/2013 at 9:15 pm | #130
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    Hey Chrissie=)
    I think you have been following intently enough to know precisely what Juan has up his sleeve.

    The aggravtor is straight forward in this case. Juan likes to moves things along. Dr. Horn will handle that in short order.

    And, as we all now know from watching the videotaped interviews of Jodi’s parents, there is almost too much fodder r Juan to “play” with on cross of either or both of Jodi’s parents should they be called to testify on her behalf.

    If the grandmother comes in on her behalf… what is with the wheelchair in the courtroom … and then the walking as fast as anyone half her age in the parking lot after the verdict??
    If her sister comes in, well… that would have to be her “stupid” sister, right???
    If her brother, well… I hear he posted on social media (hings that might not be good for his big sis).

    Jodi admitted to cruelty against a FAMILY PET– a DOG, no less.
    Out of pure frustration, no less.

    There
    WhereIsSHE
    05/11/2013 at 9:29 pm | #131
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    And the list goes on.
    Any pysch expert who gets called to testify on her behalf will be subject to the same issues that Juan could raise with each and every family member.

    Now, having said that–
    You certainly don’t want to go overkill (pardon the epression) on this.
    You do not want to call Jodi/portray her to be “the devil carnate”.
    The goal here is to convince the jury that no matter w “nice” she may have been in her past and/or no matter how kindly others might member her and so describe her, the fact that she was CAPABLE of PLANNING and CARRYING OUT such a twisted, hinous and CRUEL murder says more about her NOW than all of whatever grouping of kind words can be said about her from her DISTANT past.

    As for her claims of child abuse at the hands of her mother and father, well… plenty for Juan to cross aut that. The parents deneid it, first of all. There are no records to substantiate any of it, as far as we know. But even if it did take place–and let’s fac eit– SOMETHING went very wrong with this woman at some point– she also has siblings who are not in trouble with the law, etc.

    I also think that it almost doesnt matter what Juan chooses to explore here, because this is such a unique situtaion.
    Jodi TESTIFIED in front of them0-and LIED her ass off in front of them and TO them– for 18 faking days!
    They didn’t believe she was some abuse victim, fighting for her life.
    So what makes anyone think that they will “buy” whatever she is selling to save her life??

    Not looking good for Jodi.
    WhereIsSHE
    05/11/2013 at 9:33 pm | #132
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    lol… or the “devil INcarnate”!
    The program this website employs drives me crazy with the comment box issues!

    I would say that the “devil” was the culprit, except that I am one of the people here who prefer to place my “faith” in SCIENCE vs. religion.

    WIS!!! Thank you for your incredible post. This is just the intel I wanted. She has been CONVICTED and we are now in the AGGRAVATION phase. Legal-ease is what leads me on now. Thank you so much.

    Again, where is Observer??? Please come back!!! Really miss your posts.

    • Chrissie A
      05/13/2013 at 3:17 am

      Thanks WhereIsShe for the succinct reply !!!

    • HJ Madison
      05/13/2013 at 3:35 am

      Tracey: Thanks for bringing this over. And WIS thanks for all the good-insight!

    • Jay
      05/13/2013 at 9:00 am

      Per premeditation – all twelve agreed, but we don’t know to which version of premeditation, the long planned out version, or the killing him three times version, which could make a difference for sentencing. The second version may seem more a crime of passion and anger, and less deserving of the death penalty then the first, a cold blooded premeditation that earns a lethal injection.

  28. 05/13/2013 at 4:55 am

    Bailey good :
    I have a question. I know it’s probably a very stupid one but something I really wanna know. Can you tell me what a mitigation specialist actually does? Who hires her-Jodi? DT?
    Where does she sit in the court room? Thank you guys once again for answering my questions

    This role is a legal mandate for all DP cases. They r not attorneys but generally have a social science background. Their role is to develop a case that there r mitigating factors which should preclude the individual from receiving the DP. There r certain criteria such as mental retardation that r specified as being mitigators. The MS develops the case during this phase of the trial.

  29. Beans
    05/13/2013 at 5:59 am

    sending you positive thoughts donchais so you don’t get slimed while covering the next phase of christian/newsom.

  30. jad
    05/13/2013 at 6:26 am

    WURMI DID NOT USE ANY CASE [LAW] FROM THE STATE OF ARIZONA WHEN MAKING HIS REQUEST TO PREVENT LIVE TESTIMONY in the [ten page] May 8, 2013 filed Defendant’s Request That Victim Impact Evidence Be Presented Via Videotape (“Defendant’s Request”). It appears that Wurmi had used cases (that applied to other States of the Union or that addressed cases prosecuted under federal jurisdiction) that may or may not have been referenced in [a Law Review article written by Wayne Logan, identified as] Through the Past Darkly: A Survey of the Uses and Abuses of Victim Impact Evidence in Capital Trials, 41 Az.L.Rev. 143 (1999), which [Law Review article] he mentioned on page # 6 of the Defendant’s Request. Wurmi seemed to tie an Oklahoma case [that addressed the statutory language of that State] to the Law Review article published in [the other State of] Arizona. The case (heard by an Appellate Court, NOT the Supreme Court of that State [of Oklahoma]) was that of Cargle versus State, 909 P.2nd 806 (Okla. Crim. App. 1995). A statement was then used about the promulgation of a certain instruction that was implied was to be used in criminal cases, which statement followed a cite to a Supreme Court case that appeared to have been directly related to the Oklahoma case.

    Because the paragraphs were indented and used single spacing, it has been assumed that each one was from the Appellate Court ruling in the Oklahoma case. However, the presentation made in the Defendant’s Request was so confusing that it could not be gauged as to whether the referenced rule would have pertained to the statutory language in use in the State of Oklahoma or had been adopted at the federal level for all criminal cases that would come before a federal Court (that could have somehow been related to the case of Payne, 501 U.S. at 830, 111 S.Ct. at 2611 (U.S.), that had initially been mentioned on the second page of the Defendant’s Request [along with two other cases, that had been filed under the caption Lawful Victim Impact Evidence Is Limited In Scope, which was the first section under Part II, titled Law and Argument]). (From whatever case was being relied upon,) a paragraph was devoted to one assertion as to the manner that a Court must act, which included the single statement, “The instruction is to be used in all future capital murder trials where victim impact evidence has been introduced, and is effective from the date this opinion is published”. Much attention and space in the Defendant’s Request was devoted to this particular Oklahoma appellate case. However, it did not make any sense that this decision of an Appellate Court in the State of Oklahoma would be applicable to the case prosecuted in the State of Arizona (as the State of Arizona versus Jodi Ann Arias).

    Following the confusing example that was made to appear to have been related to a federal case, while also written in such a manner as to have been that belonging to a case in the State of Oklahoma, was reference to a case from Georgia ([Turner versus State, 486 S.E.2nd 839 (Ga. 1997)] showing that case to “note that other states require that the jury be instructed on the purpose of victim impact evidence”). This was immediately followed by a case from the State of Tennessee ([State versus Nesbit, 978 S.W.2nd 872 (Tenn. 1998)] that mandated certain wording for a Jury Instruction — that “You may consider this victim impact evidence in determining the appropriateness of the death penalty only if you first find that the existence of one or more aggravating circumstances has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt by evidence independent from the victim impact evidence”). Neither one of these cases showed any relation to a request to videotape a victim impact statement or victim impact testimony, rather than let live testimony be presented.

    Other cases mentioned earlier in the Defendant’s Request were Booth versus Maryland, 482 U.S. 496, 107 S.Ct. 2529, 96 L.Ed.2nd 440 (U.S. 1987) and South Carolina versus Gathers, 490 U.S. 805, 109 S.Ct. 2207, 104, L.Ed.2nd 876 (U.S. 1989), with an explanation that the case of Payne versus Tennessee, 501 U.S. 808, 111 S.Ct. 2597, 115 L.Ed.2nd 720 (U.S. 1991), had overruled both of those prior mentioned cases (insofar as those cases had imposed a per se Rule of Inadmissibility of victim impact evidence). So, Wurmi’s use (of either one of those first mentioned cases) that was based on an Eighth Amendment violation (when using a victim impact statement) was a nullity, as Wurmi would have been forced to have mentioned the fact that the Court found there to be NO violation. The case statement [at page 2608 of Payne] concluded “In reversing the per se exclusion in the prior cases, the Court expressly recognized the requirement that trial courts exercise their discretion”. Thus, the confusion with the Oklahoma case should not have made one believe the Supreme Court would have ruled in a way that would have severely restricted victim impact testimony.

    Wurmi followed with a brief description of the California case (of People versus Edwards, 54 Cal.3rd 787 (Cal. 1991)), which basically copied the ruling of the Payne case when applying the Statutory Law of the State of California [to Section 190.3] — except for the holding that “We do not hold that factor (a) necessarily includes all forms of victim impact evidence and argument allowed by Payne”. On the next page of the Defendant’s Request, some limitations on victim impact evidence were brought into focus. Two of the five principles listed were “On the one hand, it should allow evidence and argument on emotional though relevant subjects that could provide legitimate reasons to sway the jury to show mercy or to impose the ultimate sanction . . . On the other hand, irrelevant information or inflammatory rhetoric that diverts the jury’s attention from its proper role or invites an irrational, purely subjective response should be curtailed”. There was nothing listed about curtailing or disallowing the use of live testimony.

    On the same page as the California case of People versus Edwards was the mention of the federal case of United States versus O’Driscoll, 203 F.Supp.2nd 334 (U.S. M.D.D.C. PA 2002) that reflected the Court’s accommodation between the prosecution’s right to present victim impact testimony when weighed against the defendant’s due process rights and guarantees of the Sixth Amendment and the right to a fair and reliable Sentencing Hearing under the Eighth Amendment. This federal District Court had been confronted with the task of keeping victim impact testimony within proper limits in a federal death penalty prosecution.

    On the next page [in the description of a case mentioned in the O’Driscoll case], the case of United States versus McVeigh, 944 F.Supp. 1478 (U.S. D. Colo. 1996) [which involved the prosecution of a person who had bombed the Murrah Building in Enid, Oklahoma] contained pertinent information in regards to the general allowance of victim impact testimony, which was “Congress expressly provided for victim impact consideration in the Death Penalty Statute but did not put any limits on what can be considered”. Again, there was nothing that would have put any limits on the use of live testimony (when providing a victim impact statement or victim impact testimony).

    The O’Driscoll case made reference to another case, which was United States versus Glover, 43 F.Supp.2nd 1217 (U.S. D.C. Kan 1999). In that case, it was found that victim impact testimony could not be totally divorced from emotion. It would be in the hands of the Court [to prevent any unpredictable outbursts] “to keep the emotions of witnesses in check”, so that the Jury would not be “influenced by passion or prejudice”. In so doing, in this particular case [in the federal jurisdiction], THE COURT REQUIRED THE GOVERNMENT TO SUBMIT A WRITTEN STATEMENT DESCRIBING THE PROPOSED TESTIMONY OF EACH VICTIM IMPACT WITNESS, IN ORDER THAT THE COURT COULD EVALUATE THE POTENTIAL PREJUDICE [TO THE JURY] OF THE VICTIM IMPACT TESTIMONY. In other words, the victim would speak to the Government, who in turn would prepare the statement for the Court to evaluate (for purposes of preventing prejudicial influence of the Jury), which statement [to the Court] would describe what had been told [the Government] would be the testimony proposed by the victim. Nowhere in this excerpt of the Case Law does it propose that the victim impact statement be turned over to opposing counsel to evaluate for the benefit of the defendant. A lawyer that would (on the basis of this Case Law) propose anything to the contrary would have proposed an absurdity.

  31. jad
    05/13/2013 at 7:07 am

    In the Glover case, mentioned in the May 8, 2013 filed Defendant’s Request That Victim Impact Evidence Be Presented Via Videotape (“Defendant’s Request”), the Court acted in an abundance of caution and adopted certain instructions to be given the witnesses relating to the control of their emotions at the time that their victim impact testimony was to be presented before the Court. In the O’Driscoll case, that Court also acted in an abundance of caution and adopted procedures similar to those adopted by the Glover Court. The Court further stated, “We are not convinced that the government’s notice of intent to seek the death penalty is so vague that it is impossible for defense counsel to undertake an investigation and prepare a defense”. In a Footnote, the Court had added “If live testimony is presented we will instruct each witness that if the witness is unable to control his or her emotions the witness will not be permitted to testify”.

    For good measure, Wurmi added a case emanating from the State of New Jersey, State versus Hightower, 680 A2nd 649 (N.J. 1996), when finally getting ready to bring in material that could somehow be affiliated with the State of Arizona. Although Wurmi NEVER mentioned any Case Law from Arizona that would explain how victim impact evidence would be treated in a death penalty case in the State of Arizona, this criminal lawyer finally passed on some kind of document that might have mentioned a case from the State of Arizona, when referring to a Law Review article written by Wayne Logan, Through the Past Darkly: A Survey of the Uses and Abuses of Victim Impact Evidence in Capital Trials, 41 Az.L.Rev. 143 (1999).

    In the way that Wurmi prepared this particular Defendant’s Request, it would seem that this criminal lawyer expected Law Enforcement or other types of persons to offer testimony at the Sentencing Hearing, as witness impact evidence. It is known that there are federal cases of which the Federal Courts have routinely allowed victim impact evidence (when there were persons other than immediate family members who had been affected and had victim impact evidence to present). Some of these cases are U.S. vs. McVeigh, 153 F.3rd 1166 (U.S. 10th Cir. 1998); U.S. vs. Chanthadara, 230 F.3rd 1237 (U.S. 10th Cir. 2000); and U.S. vs. Nelson, 347 F.3rd 701 (U.S. 8th Cir. 2003). When these cases proceeded through various stages, the government was expected to protect the constitutional rights of the defendants. In so doing, the government would have provided an outline of its victim impact evidence and its proposed exhibits, if requested (to protect the constitutional Rights of persons who had refused to recognize that the same constitutional rights also belonged to their victims).

    A Defendant’s Request would have been granted in cases, such as U.S. vs. Bin Laden, 126 F.Supp.2nd 290 (S.D.N.Y. 2001) and In re Terrorist Bombings of U.S. Embassies in East Africa, 552 F.3rd 93 (2 Cir. 2008). This would give the named defendants, like Bin Laden or those responsible for terrorist bombings, or other defendants that made it to the Sentencing Hearing in a capital death penalty case, an opportunity to object to any particular area of victim impact evidence on the grounds that it could be more prejudicial than probative [for the out-of-sorts defendant].

    Since the victim had already met his demise, a criminal lawyer [like Wurmi] would act as though the rights of the deceased ended at death, at the hands of the criminal lawyer’s client. However, this is all WRONG — as can be witnessed in the case prosecuted by the State of Arizona, where Jodi Arias has been able to exercise more rights because she is a defendant in a capital murder case. The affront to the deceased victim and his immediate family members has continued at the instigation of these heartless criminal lawyers operating for the benefit of a psychopath killer — all at the expense of the taxpayer, whose allowance permits the charade to be carried on, unabated.

    It is NOT the criminal lawyer that must not be denied the opportunity to gather information — it is the Sentencing Judge that must not be denied the opportunity to obtain pertinent information (because of a requirement of rigid adherence to restrictive Rules of Evidence applicable to the Trial phase). The Judge (as the Gatekeeper) has the authority to control the evidence and to make sure it is relevant, reliable and fair. Thus, it is the Trial Judge who must have wide discretion in choosing the types and sources of evidence on which the decision (when sentencing) is based. Also, it is essential that the Jury have all relevant information about the defendant whose fate must be determined. That is because it is desirable for the Jury to have as much information as possible when it comes down to making a sentencing decision. In capital sentencing proceedings, this evidentiary standard actually promotes constitutional procedural safeguards that benefit the defendant (when considering the evidence in support of mitigating factors). With all of these safeguards in place for the defendant, the criminal lawyer should not tread into territory that belongs to the victim. The control of victim impact evidence does not belong with the criminal lawyer, and a victim’s impact testimony should not be controlled at the whim of a defendant.

    A conclusion should NOT have been drawn [by the criminal lawyer] in the Defendant’s Request, that “For all of the foregoing reasons, Ms. Arias requests that all victim impact evidence be presented by way of videotaped examination in lieu of live testimony so that objections can be raised in advance and so that the victim impact evidence comports with the authorities mentioned”. Not one of the authorities [cited in the Defendant’s Request] is a General Law of the State of Arizona or a Case Law established in the State of Arizona. Also given as a reason for the entreaty made in the conclusion [in the Defendant’s Request] is the protection of the constitutional Rights due Ms. Arias, founded in the 5th, 6th, 8th, and 14th Amendments of the United States Constitution and Sections 4, 15, 23, and 24 of the Second Article of the Constitution for the State of Arizona. This pleading by this criminal lawyer, to try to take away yet another area of the Alexander family that would protect them from the onslaught of Jodi Arias, that they could use to give voice to their concerns, is more of the continued manipulation they have had to endure while trying to restore their brother’s good name and reputation.

    The family of Travis Alexander should not have to be relegated to the back of the bus, by the machinations of a person who has freely admitted to the brutal slaughter of their loved one. The criminal lawyer for Jodi Arias, Wurmi, heard the confession of his client. This criminal lawyer knows his client killed Travis Alexander by stabbing him, slicing him up, and shooting him in the face. So, he should let the family members of the victim of his client have their say. They should be allowed to be front and center to voice their victim impact statement and present any evidence the Court would permit. Under Part I, titled Relevant Facts, there are three sentences.

    The first two sentences read as “On May 8, 2013, Ms. Arias was convicted of first degree murder. Assuming an aggravating factor is found, the jury will then be tasked with determining if Ms. Arias is to be sentenced to life in prison or death”. The last sentence reads as “Ms. Arias files this motion to ensure that this phase of the proceedings comport with the existing state of the law”. Since the State of Arizona already has well-established precedent for the victim impact testimony or victim impact statement, it does appear that Wurmi must have worded this sentence incorrectly. If there truly were a need to file a Request in regards to a victim impact statement or victim impact testimony, the last sentence should read as “Ms. Arias files this motion to ensure that this phase of the proceedings comport with the existing State Law”, as there is no need to look elsewhere for another State’s Law to govern this particular Request — that can be handled directly with the Law within the State of Arizona.

    THERE SHOULD BE NO ALLOWANCE MADE TO ORDER ANY VICTIM IMPACT TESTIMONY BE PRESENTED VIA A PRETAPED VIDEO RECORDED EXAMINATION ON THE BASIS OF CASE LAW FROM OUT-OF-STATE. The family of Travis Victor Alexander deserve to have their day in Court to speak up for their brother — with LIVE testimony. So, the criminal lawyer and his criminal client should stop the manipulation of this case and the maneuvering to evade the Law. The Judge should be in control of the Court, NOT the defendant nor the defendant’s criminal lawyer. The mantra should be to Just do the right thing.

    • Jay
      05/13/2013 at 9:22 am

      Good overview and explanations!
      Two questions:
      Do you know if Nurmi presented similar boilerplate case law in previous cases or is this new ground he’s breaking?
      Is Nurmi’s filing to prevent the Alexander’s from live testimony available on line?

    • Chrissie A
      05/13/2013 at 12:20 pm

      Thanks for taking the time to explain this Jad 🙂

  32. kCruz123
    05/13/2013 at 8:46 am

    Hello everyone and belated Happy Mothers Day to all.

    I haven’t finished reading yesterday’s posts, so sorry if this is a repeat but just finished watching the FOX News hour special ‘Geraldo At Large’ (Saturday, May 11).

    Geraldo Rivera clearly said at the end of the show – that we should remember that this WAS a crime of DOMESTIC VIOLENCE! As I listened I was hoping that he would clarify this by saying that this was a DV crime against Travis but in MY UNDERSTANDING Geraldo was insinuating that JA was defending herself when killing Travis.

    What trial has Geraldo been watching? How could he make this statement? He went on to say that he thinks the DP for JA, is too severe, especially in comparison to sentences meted out to others convicted recently. For instance, in comparison to the LWOP for the guy who killed & injured those at the rally in Arizona (to include Senator Gifford). I believe this killer made a plea, no trial.

    I can’t make a comparison and don’t understand why Geraldo would.

    Have been trying to find a link online but strangely it’s not yet posted on FOX site, even though it is advertised.

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 8:53 am

      Morning kC – all ya have to do is consider the source 😯 Geraldo lost any sense of relevance years ago, imho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • truejustice
        05/13/2013 at 10:11 am

        agreed

    • Crystal Harris
      05/13/2013 at 10:32 am

      Geraldo is an idiot

    • Kathy A.
      05/13/2013 at 2:03 pm

      kcruz123,

      I posted a message about this same thing on the previous page (#431) after Linda Kinney-Baden made the same comparison on HLN between Jodi Arias and Jared Loughner in drawing a conclusion that Arizona would not give out the death penalty. As you said, you can’t make a comparison because there isn’t one other than that they are both killers. The talking heads always seem to use that particular case…why not bring up the conviction of Shawna Forde? She and two accomplices broke into a home believing there were drugs there that they could steal, sell, and use the money to fund their raving anti-illegal immigration activities. The family in the home was not involved in any kind of drug-related activity, and they killed the father and his 8-year-old daughter, and left the mother for dead. Forde is currently sitting on death row. Jodi Arias will be in good company.

  33. ringadingding
    05/13/2013 at 9:36 am

    Jay :
    …And if there’s any justice in her situation, her nurse will have a propensity for administering daily enemas

    Sadly, she’d probably like that.

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 10:31 am

      😀 well she is very anal and proud of it!

  34. SCK
    05/13/2013 at 9:54 am

    Did I hear that there was anothere segment on Websleuths last night? Thought I saw it in the last thread but can’t find the link. Anyone have it?

  35. Nienna
    05/13/2013 at 10:21 am

    Morning all watching the retrial in Christian.Newsom case… Anyone else think this attorney is creepy?

    • Beans
      05/13/2013 at 10:28 am

      yes.

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 10:30 am

      The prosecutor totally lost me with all the names and after JM she seems kind of bland but she does know the story inside and out. I’ve just come to the conclusion that all def attorneys are creepy and this one is NO exception.

      I noticed that there was a LE presence around the defendant and he was led out in handcuffs. Wish they had done the same with JA!

      • MMD
        05/13/2013 at 10:34 am

        This is an awful case. I tuned out of the charges after #35 and then the def. attorney just HAD to stand up and state that his client was not guilty of ALL the charges. Yeah right! 😯

      • Beans
        05/13/2013 at 10:37 am

        i’m already feelin’ sorry for this poor innocent lamb who had no choice other than get wasted while people were tortured and murdered.

      • Anonymous
        05/13/2013 at 10:41 am

        Yeah really!

      • Nienna
        05/13/2013 at 10:42 am

        You know what I’m sayin!

      • Crystal Harris
        05/13/2013 at 10:59 am

        While waiting to go to criminal trial in my husband’s case, he delayed his trial 10 times. That meant we had to go to “Trial Readiness Conferences” 10 times. These take place in the courthouse room that sort of looks like Grand Central Station. The Judge processes criminals for arraignments and things like that. They have that big glass room where the criminals sit. And all the prosecutors all sit together on one side and all the defense attorneys sit on the other. And there’s a big gallery for the public. After being in that room for hours and hours, it was so interesting to see the huge difference between the prosecutors as an entire group, and the defense attorneys as an entire group. Start with how they dress. Prosecutors wore gray, navy, or black. Defense attorneys dressed like used car salesmen. It was so weird because I’m assuming the defense attorneys had more money. And defense attorneys all seemed to have quirkiness…they were fat, or had weird hair, or bizarre shoes, or you name it. I was fascinated. Some of the best “people watching” in the world can be done at a courthouse!

    • 05/13/2013 at 11:23 am

      I am watching as well. I heard of the case when it happened, just normal news coverage, and after heard news coverage of the original judge and his drug problem. Did not realize there were retrials until Donchais posted about it and now I am hooked.lol
      Until today I thought 3 of the defendants were being retried now I hear this is the only one. Anyone know?

      • donchais
        05/13/2013 at 11:30 am

        Only two retrials granted…Vanessa Coleman (already done) and this one.

  36. MMD
    05/13/2013 at 10:41 am

    Wow, this judge starts on time, has reasonable breaks and plans on going until 6 pm. Could give Judge Stephens some lessons 🙄

    • Nienna
      05/13/2013 at 10:43 am

      And he even interrupted the Defense to take a break.

      • MMD
        05/13/2013 at 10:48 am

        Even better!!!

  37. Beans
    05/13/2013 at 10:44 am

    MMD, library just called to say the grisham book is in, going to pick it up. i left a response about the avatar at the other place.

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 10:47 am

      I hope ya enjoy it Beans and ya I saw your response – sexy!!! 🙂 ya know what i’m sayin…

  38. NancyB
    05/13/2013 at 10:49 am

    I’m convinced that there is zero chance that Judge Stephens would grant the defense’s motion requiring videotaping the Alexander’s VIS. I’ve read the law and their motion is in violation of the Alexander’s rights as written in AZ law, so I feel better about that.

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 10:53 am

      I hope you’re right Nancy. They have been waiting 5 years to get their say and deserve it!

      • Crystal Harris
        05/13/2013 at 11:03 am

        I’ve said it here before, AZ has some of the best laws in the nation for victims. I feel good for the Alexanders. Plus, it’s not like they’ve been having a problem with outbursts throughout the trial. They’ve shown their composure.

  39. MMD
    05/13/2013 at 10:52 am

    I already hate George Thomas and this defense attorney. Can’t they just chill and lock them both up forever, ya know what I’m sayin…………… 😦

    • Beans
      05/13/2013 at 11:03 am

      alright, clearly someone has to step in and call a time-out on the “know what i’m sayin'” stuff and that would be me.

  40. MMD
    05/13/2013 at 11:09 am

    Is it a Tennessee thang to say veee hick elll ?

    • Nienna
      05/13/2013 at 11:12 am

      TN, NC, SC, KY from what I’ve grown up with and heard. 🙂

    • donchais
      05/13/2013 at 11:12 am

      Southern thang!

  41. Beans
    05/13/2013 at 11:10 am

    Crystal – i’ve noticed that too about def. atty’s,especially the weird hair – comb overs,bouffants etc. i’ve often wondered ‘don’t these guys own a mirror?’ has your dateline episode definitely been postponed?

    • Crystal Harris
      05/13/2013 at 11:20 am

      Yes, it’s definitely been postponed from May 15. But I was told it will definitely air before June. So as soon as I get another definite date, I’ll let ya’ll know.

  42. NancyB
    05/13/2013 at 11:14 am

    If the jurors agree after Wed’s testimony by Dr Horn that cruelty existed in the killing then during the Mitigation portion of the trial we will have to finally deal with another absurd defense motion that they filed back in Dec.

    The defense wants the State to be prevented from using against JA or even *mentioning* her total lack of remorse! So,basically Nurmi & JW admitted 6months ago that she is a cold hearted snake without a conscience. Judge Stephens deferred ruling until the Mitigation Stage of the trial comes up.

  43. NancyB
    05/13/2013 at 11:18 am

    Did I hear this judge say that he intends to go until 6PM? Did anyone else hear that?

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 11:22 am

      Yep he said that – posted it upstairs. After Judge Stephens, you couldn’t believe your ears could ya???? 😉

  44. El See
    05/13/2013 at 11:20 am

    Janna :
    Original post by Kristina Randle
    05/12/2013 @ 9:32am
    #499
    Is Jodi Arias really suicidal? http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-is-jodi-arias-really-suicidal/

    this is a great article, thanks for posting this.

  45. El See
    05/13/2013 at 11:21 am

    Have been out of the loop … has there been a reason for postponement shared with the public as yet? Any thoughts on why the postponement – did Jodi fire her attorneys? is she being evaluated?

  46. NancyB
    05/13/2013 at 11:23 am

    Wow, this is sooo sad. All their friends look older because so many years have passed. This is heartbreaking for the parents. This better be the last time they put these parents through this – it makes me mad that Tn seems to be catering to these evil hoodlums because Vanessa’s re-trial sentence was much lighter then the original. I’ll never believe that any of them will ever be civilized enough to be free citizens again. Never. They will always be dangerous in my book.

    • 05/13/2013 at 11:29 am

      I agree sooooo sad. And Channon’s father is heartbreaking 😥
      I also heard today that, besides Vanessa’s trial earlier and this one, there will not be retrials for the other criminals. Is that correct?

  47. Beans
    05/13/2013 at 11:32 am

    but, on a happier note OJ’s back. let us all rejoice. live on HLN at 12:30 et. couldn’t stand the thought of stabby gettin’ all that face-time.

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 11:34 am

      Wild is covering it. I truly hope he doesn’t get out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  48. 05/13/2013 at 11:37 am

    donchais :
    Only two retrials granted…Vanessa Coleman (already done) and this one.

    Thank you Donchais. That is a blessing for the families. Really glad they do not have to go through more.

  49. MMD
    05/13/2013 at 11:38 am

    This prosecutor and Shannon’s best friend all drive cars. I guess it’s either/or in the south 😉

  50. MMD
    05/13/2013 at 11:59 am

    Wow, things really move fast in this trial, no objections, can we approach, etc.

    Donchais how many trials has this George Thomas already had????

    • donchais
      05/13/2013 at 12:02 pm

      Just the first one and now this.

      • MMD
        05/13/2013 at 12:19 pm

        Are your tree cutters slowly driving ya crazy with their buzz saws, finally???? 😯

      • donchais
        05/13/2013 at 12:23 pm

        Arrived at 8 and gone by 10. Will be back tomorrow to do the grinding of the stump and to pick up the bigger pieces of the tree, so not too bad! Also, have noise cancelling headphones, lol!

  51. HJ Madison
    05/13/2013 at 12:01 pm

    Morning everyone~~~~~~

    This is a link to 48 Hour snippet from above — c&p with ipad. If the link does not work, I copied and pasted the full title as well. Search for title, even though it appears truncated.. This is such a choice little lie …

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tzIV9Wca4qs

    In a 2008 interview Jodi Arias tells 48 Hours correspondent Maureen Maher about tw

    • Beans
      05/13/2013 at 12:10 pm

      rats,if only she had kept those notes.

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 12:17 pm

      Morning HJ – bet she has the note system and every other underhanded thing that goes on in jail down pat now!!! 🙄 Hopefully it will be a lot stricter at her next location 😀

      • Beans
        05/13/2013 at 12:23 pm

        you probably already know this but she has been reprimanded numerous times for having contraband in her cell – mostly pens.

  52. HJ Madison
    05/13/2013 at 12:14 pm

    HJ Madison :
    All that I can think about is golf pencils plunged into her eyeballs, cockeyed, of course! I love how she tried to move off the real subject by starting to explain the punishment for note passing! “oh the horror of it!”

    My initial response … she really is a piece of work!

  53. Regina
    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 12:22 pm

      It doesn’t like my in Canada. 😦

      • HJ Madison
        05/13/2013 at 12:28 pm

        But WE LOVE our Canadian friends to the north! It was nothing more than the usual, I think the same as Dateline, where she does her makeup, says TA was great, and the evidence looks compelling but isn’t much….. blah blah blah, 2 minutes …

      • MMD
        05/13/2013 at 12:33 pm

        TY – ABC really doesn’t like to share with us, except occasionally. Maybe it’s because I get their 10ET shows before they do at 7ET. 😉

      • HJ Madison
        05/13/2013 at 12:38 pm

        I hear ya… I can’t tell you how often I have checked for the BBC iplayer. I would even pay a monthly subscription for it … but NO!

  54. HJ Madison
    05/13/2013 at 12:31 pm

    Donchais: Is Christian-Newsom trial on lunch break? I am not sure I can watch another — that crime was so totally senseless and gruesome, Just sick! I don’t know how you do this?!

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 12:37 pm

      HJ I don’t know how much of this I can take either as I already hate the defendant and his attorney. It is moving very, very quickly and the judge is keeping it on time, even going to 6 this evening. I found the prosecutor’s opening statements quite bland but she was right on point and to the point when she had her first witness.

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 12:37 pm

      Sorry yet it is on lunch until 1:00ET

    • donchais
      05/13/2013 at 12:42 pm

      Yes, lunch til 1.

  55. Wendy
    05/13/2013 at 12:36 pm

    Good morning everyone!

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 12:38 pm

      Morning Wendy ***waves********

      • Beans
        05/13/2013 at 12:49 pm

        an aside – we had a combo of hail, sleet and snow yesterday. last week it was hot enough i had the a/c on.

    • Beans
      05/13/2013 at 12:39 pm

      morning wendy.

  56. Wendy
    05/13/2013 at 12:39 pm

    I hope all the mamas had a wonderful mothers day!

  57. Wendy
    05/13/2013 at 12:40 pm

    Have I missed anything?

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 12:46 pm

      Not really when it comes to JA. Some of us are watching the Christian/Newsom retrial.

  58. Wendy
    05/13/2013 at 12:42 pm

    I think I am too lazy to go back and read all the posts. I haven’t been on much since they cancelled court.

    • HJ Madison
      05/13/2013 at 12:49 pm

      Mostly just we Arias-obsessed waiting around …. A good explanation from WIS, Tracey copy and pasted above, it is not as long as it looks because parts are duplicated. The DT tried to get Death removed. No word on the motion regarding Video of impact statements. WOBO enjoying suicide watch …

      • Beans
        05/13/2013 at 12:51 pm

        well, that was nicely succinct.

  59. MMD
    05/13/2013 at 12:51 pm

    Well during this lunch interlude I would like to tell ya that since my property was made to look perfect last Monday, not only have the buds come out but the leaves are out and my perfectly manicured, fertilized lawn is now a sea of yellow – dandelions that is 😦 and we’re no longer allowed to spray. 🙄 Do I have any takers – a do ur own pick – I understand you can make wonderful dandelion wine although I have never tasted it!!!! 😀 first come first serve!!!!!!!!!!! 😆

    • Beans
      05/13/2013 at 12:57 pm

      my gramma used to make dandelion wine and it is tasty – uh, so i was told, ’cause, you know, i was too young to try it.

      • MMD
        05/13/2013 at 1:04 pm

        of course you were Beans 😉 gotta get here fast before they’re all gone!!!

  60. donchais
    05/13/2013 at 12:51 pm

    Two quick things…the Eric Boyd you hear about is believed to have participated, however State has no evidence even though they are still investigating. He got nailed in Federal court for misprision and is serving 18 years. He helped Davidson hide out after all this went down.

    The thing that nailed all these morons is a bank envelope found in Channon’s SUV had Davidson thumb print on it!

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 12:56 pm

      Darlin’ we’re pretty good at typo-ese but what exactly is ‘misprision’? False imprisonment???

      • donchais
        05/13/2013 at 1:00 pm

        Misprision is covering up a crime…the hiding out of Davidson and not telling the authorities.

      • MMD
        05/13/2013 at 1:03 pm

        Really 😯 Thank you. I did not know there was such a thang, as they say. See ya learn something new everyday at the School of Donchais 😀

      • janeto
        05/13/2013 at 1:43 pm

        Hugs all. Waves too! Never heard if that word either. My take is aide & abetting. Wow!!

  61. Jill
    05/13/2013 at 1:09 pm

    Was any of the evidence found in the monsters home? (Clothes, her purse, letter from her friend, photos she kept in her SUV, and donation bag of clothese) And that bag that her mother gave her for xmas, (that they showed in an evidence picture that was in a messy closet;) was that in one of the monsters house?

    Wow..is that the only main thing that nailed them? And, why do u think there weren’t any other fingerprints in her SUV? Did they wear gloves?

    • donchais
      05/13/2013 at 1:17 pm

      Yes, evidence found in the house. The envelope print is what led cops to the Chipman Street house. Davidson also had Chris’ sneakers at the house he was hiding out in.

      • Jill
        05/13/2013 at 1:50 pm

        Oh, I see. Ty. So, without that print, these guys might have got away. I am so frightened of this world…I couldn’t go on if this happened to my child.

  62. HJ Madison
    05/13/2013 at 1:13 pm

    I just checked in on OJ …. someone MUST tell the Nevada Prosecutor’s office to tell their young new attorney to remove her “I can’t decide which one Rainbow Bright” fingernail polish before going out in public, if the State expects anyone to take her seriously!

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 1:45 pm

      Do you have a link HJ or are you on WPTV? I just want to get a glimpse of OJ. Thankx

  63. Beans
    05/13/2013 at 1:16 pm

    in the thomas case did the current witness just make a mistake by referring to his previous testimony?

    • donchais
      05/13/2013 at 1:19 pm

      nah, this is the sixth trial.

  64. 05/13/2013 at 1:21 pm

    Alexis Zotos@alexiszotos Retweeted by Gene Patterson
    Hugh Newsom, Chris’ dad, says today is their 298th time in court. #CNTrial
    wow. just wow.
    I feel so gut wrenched for these 2 families.

  65. ritanita
    05/13/2013 at 1:39 pm

    Hi guys, I just checked in to watch the George trial. I saw two of the original 4 and Vanessa’s second trial. This is the most awful case. I’ll be doing Jodi on Wednesday. Hopefully it is short and the jury makes a decision in 5 minutes.

    I’ve also caught a bit of the OJ 5 day hearing on HLN. Wish I could do two things at once!

  66. NancyB
    05/13/2013 at 1:43 pm

    Channon’s father’s VIS at Vanessa’s last trial was one of the most unforgetable and eloquent that I have ever heard.

  67. Beans
    05/13/2013 at 1:45 pm

    maybe you could if you just tried a little harder.(kidding)

    • ritanita
      05/13/2013 at 2:00 pm

      Well, I’m listening from time to time to the OJ stuff. This old brain is out of shape since the end of the Casey mess. I’d blogged for 3 solid years on motions, hearings, jury selection, and the trial. I missed 2 1/2 days of the trial because I just HAD to see my nephew receive his PhD.

      • Beans
        05/13/2013 at 2:10 pm

        i meant no disrespect, i’m a smartass and sometimes it gets way from me.

  68. Beans
    05/13/2013 at 1:47 pm

    sorry, my comment was in reply to ritanita.

  69. MMD
    05/13/2013 at 1:59 pm

    Wow OJ’s face is getting rounder and rounder and that stupid def attorney is fawning all over him. Doesn’t she realize he’s a murderer of 2!!!!!

  70. ritanita
    05/13/2013 at 2:04 pm

    MMD, it’s good to see him in his prison garb. That was one heck of a trial. Loved Judge Glass tell Galanter to shut up! To bad, she retired.

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 2:17 pm

      Yes it is 🙂 What was just as special was when she told OJ she didn’t know whether he was arrogant or stupid and told him that she decided that it was a combination of both 😀 just loved it!!!! She was a good judge. This one looks like she’s about 16.

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 2:28 pm

      Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
      OJ’s head is literally three times the size of anyone elses head in the courtroom

  71. HJ Madison
    05/13/2013 at 2:26 pm

    I am back at Christian/Newsom …. I have a sick feeling about the evidence just presented.

  72. MMD
    05/13/2013 at 2:33 pm

    CNN is reporting Jury reaches verdict in trial of Dr. Kermit Gosnell, accused in deaths of four infants and woman at his abortion clinic.

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 2:38 pm

      wow 263 counts

    • Beans
      05/13/2013 at 2:40 pm

      this should be an easy one.

  73. MMD
    05/13/2013 at 2:39 pm

    Are we on a break at Christian/Newsom???

    • Beans
      05/13/2013 at 2:40 pm

      yes 10 mins.

      • MMD
        05/13/2013 at 2:42 pm

        ty darlin’ my shockwaves all crashed 😦

      • HJ Madison
        05/13/2013 at 2:45 pm

        I have a bad feeling about that broken dog leash and multi-colored strips of fabric …. what the witness first thought was a “kite tail” …. This is going to be awful. But, the judge is good (unlikely to be a pill-popper, like the first one …. and think the Prosecutors are just done to business.

    • donchais
      05/13/2013 at 2:46 pm

      yes

  74. MMD
    05/13/2013 at 2:46 pm

    JA or someone is tweeting again. Her latest:

    Jodi Arias ‏@jodiann_arias 7m

    Bombshell Tonight: It may be hard for some of you to believe that @NancyGraceHLN ONLY feeds you POVs that serve her ratings #JodiArias
    Expand
    Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@jodiann_arias 17h

    Want me to continue creating artwork? Many of you had very positive words about my works 🙂 Will have to request via commissary #JodiArias
    Expand
    Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@jodiann_arias 21h

    I never wanted to even go near a trial. That cannot be expressed enough. I am not an evil person. I have regrets #JodiArias
    Expand
    Jodi Arias Jodi Arias ‏@jodiann_arias 21h

    None who have always been free can understand the terrible fascinating power of the hope of freedom to those who are not

    Truly, can no one shut this poor excuse for a human up?????????????????? 😯 WTF

    • truejustice
      05/13/2013 at 3:41 pm

      AND her artwork is for sale. If her art site is legit .. they actually posted new stuff since her conviction !

    • 05/13/2013 at 5:03 pm

      MMD. I’m just catching up here,so first i’ll say hello to all… ***waving***
      About these JA tweets. I just don’t believe it’s her. She supposedly has No phone privileges lagers while in psych ward and reportedly no visitors. So how would she get Her message out? i know anything is possible but.I think it’s a phony account that someone created to inflame people. The tweets don’t sound like her others either. IMO

  75. Kristi
    05/13/2013 at 2:50 pm

    For those of you who commented on the death of Leila Fowler, the 8 year old whose 12 year old brother was just arrested for her murder, this case is far sadder and sicker than what is being reported. I live in Calaveras county where this happened and for the first 2 days most of the county had guns loaded, doors locked and ears glued to scanners on the chance that there was a predator on the loose. But most of us figured early on that it was the brother or someone in the family.

    So this is what happened: the 2 adults in the family are not married to each other and had a total of 6 kids living with them. Leila belonged to the man, the 12 year old boy to the woman. They were not biologically related. Leila’s father was reportedly in a nasty custody dispute with her bio mom who is a drug addict living in Stockton. The adults were at a little league game across town, about 5 miles away with other children of the household when the killing occurred. The boy called the parents, they rushed home, moved Leila outside, then called 911. When the cops arrived, they asked to search the house and were told not without a warrant. The nutty neighbor who at first claimed to see the man running from the house was probably either an attention hound trying to become part of the situation or maybe she saw family members running around the house, either way, that made cops feel they should do double duty and look for predator while continuing to investigate family.

    At the time I was frustrated with LE but in hindsight, how many defendant’s attorneys allege that LE never looked at any other suspects? In this case, they can’t say that. They looked at everyone else!

    It is horribly sad that these idiotic parents put these kids in the position for this to even happen. What with the drugs, all the parental figures shacking up with others, being thrown together with other children and being made to babysit them at an age when boys typically can’t even watch themselves, its little wonder the kid is disturbed. I expect charges will be filed against the parents too any time now and CPS ought to take the other kids, if they haven’t already.

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 2:59 pm

      Thanks for the update Kristi. I was wondering what more had come out but hadn’t had a chance to look yet. There are way too many children being exposed to this type of lifestyle to their detriment. Throw in drugs, especially meth these days, guns, violence and way too many lives are being lost. I hope that the parents are locked away and they throw out the damn key!!! 👿

    • Family of Law
      05/13/2013 at 5:09 pm

      Thanks Kristi. This is such a senseless tragedy- that sounds like a “home” environment that was brewing a disaster…. I’m sickened by the thought of that little girls pain and fear just before her death… I hope the remaining children are given a better chance in life.

    • NancyB
      05/13/2013 at 5:34 pm

      Thank-you so much Kristi for the horrific details. Very very sad. Please keep us posted. I live in So Cal and *none* of those details have been on the news.

    • Kristi
      05/13/2013 at 6:11 pm

      I don’t think these details are being reported anywhere on the big news. There is so much more out there locally because this one of those really, really small country towns in which everyone knows everyone else’s business. Between vast # of local witnesses and the remaining pre-teen and teen kids in the house all confiding in their friends – it wasn’t going to be a secret for long. It really sucks that its looking like she died of shock and blood loss, rather than fatal stab wounds; so had the brother and parents called 911 immediately, she may have been saved. I will pass along info as I get it.

  76. MMD
    05/13/2013 at 3:01 pm

    Wow, he is reading his CV? Doesn’t he know it?

    • HJ Madison
      05/13/2013 at 3:02 pm

      No … the actual witness is now deceased. So, they are reading prior testimony.

    • donchais
      05/13/2013 at 3:02 pm

      The guy died last year, this is his testimony from previous trial

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 3:03 pm

      Never mind, my bad 😳 I forgot that they said the witness had passed away! Sorry.

    • HJ Madison
      05/13/2013 at 3:04 pm

      BTW … ever see that documentary of “Frontline” about forensic evidence? There has NEVER been a study that shows we do, in fact, all have different fingerprints ….

      • MMD
        05/13/2013 at 3:29 pm

        No I haven’t. I didn’t know that. I always thought that was a proven fact 😯

      • HJ Madison
        05/13/2013 at 3:45 pm

        Shocking, isn’t it, but true. Think about it though .. when we get DNA there is also this statistical number like “1 in 20 zillion” another would match. But, we never get that with fingerprints because it has never been done ….. just made its way into the court.. like bite marks… also not reliable. That is why I so strongly oppose the DP. I will see if I can find a link to the documentary.

      • HJ Madison
        05/13/2013 at 3:54 pm

        http://www.wgbh.org/programs/Frontline-6/episodes/The-Real-CSI-37527

        Well respected documentary unit. Nationaly shown on PBS (public broadcasting). I gave this link hoping the Boston station could be played in Canada. Can also be found on PBS (and there is a PBS app for mobile users)

      • MMD
        05/13/2013 at 4:16 pm

        That is something I would really like to see but all I can get is a 30 sec preview. You are correct because all my network stations are located in Boston.

        We’re sorry but this video is not available in your region due to right restrictions. 😦

      • MMD
        05/13/2013 at 4:17 pm

        I do however get the channel – weird eh 😯

  77. MMD
    05/13/2013 at 3:27 pm

    A Philadelphia jury finds abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell guilty on three counts of first-degree murder

    Good!

    • Katie
      05/13/2013 at 4:32 pm

      Thank god!! Those poor women and babies…. Gosnell is evil personified

  78. truejustice
    05/13/2013 at 3:44 pm

    Ironic .. According to court docs – JA attorneys ask for the DP to be taken off the table again! The day after her “I want to die” interview. Why does that not surprise me.

    • HJ Madison
      05/13/2013 at 4:06 pm

      Yeah … we have speculated that motion contributed to all the fall-dee-rah-and-fiddle-deedee on Thursday. JA and Nurmi meet with judge alone for 15 minutes, then JM and TA’s family came in for another 45 minutes and finally court called off. ME not available until this week, Wednesday. And there was some sort of bomb threat…. who knows!

  79. Wendy
    05/13/2013 at 3:45 pm

    Hi all. I’m just popping in and out today. Wish I had time to sit and get caught up. MMD, how are ya?

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 4:08 pm

      I’m good darlin’ and you???? 😀 Have so many tabs and trials on the go I don’t know whether I’m coming or going (need crossed eyed emoticon)

  80. 05/13/2013 at 4:05 pm

    Crystal Harris, what story is going to be on TV about you? I googled your name and it just comes up as Hugh Hefner’s wife. I’m thinking I have the wrong person. 😉

    • Jay
      05/13/2013 at 4:45 pm

      Ours is a different, and smarter and more socially responsible Crystal Harris. (And just as attractive too ) if you keep googling her name you will find the news story about her – I think on a SanDiego TV station)

    • Kristi
      05/13/2013 at 5:10 pm

      Google Crystal Harris Shawn Harris. That is the evil ones name.

    • truejustice
      05/13/2013 at 5:11 pm

      It’s episode .. “Forgive and Forget” .

      • HJ Madison
        05/13/2013 at 5:16 pm

        From Discovery ID program “Whomthe bleep did I Marry.”. But I think she also has an upcoming Dateline, in May sometime,

  81. MMD
    05/13/2013 at 4:20 pm

    These guys lived like pigs

    • HJ Madison
      05/13/2013 at 4:28 pm

      These guys ARE PIGS!

      • donchais
        05/13/2013 at 4:29 pm

        Beyond pigs!

    • donchais
      05/13/2013 at 4:36 pm

      Sitting on my typing fingers…actually went back through today’s entry and deleted spoilers. After 6 trials, I know way too much info.

  82. HJ Madison
    05/13/2013 at 4:30 pm

    MMD – I will keep looking for that video for you. Maybe Hulu, or Netflix? Do you get similar streaming content from those services?

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 4:40 pm

      Hulu is only available in the US and Netflix has just started here with not much of a choice.

      • MMD
        05/13/2013 at 4:41 pm

        It’s ok, thanks for trying HJ. I really appreciate you trying but one thing I know, PBS is VERY protective of their content, I’ll just have to take it as something new I learned today about fingerprints.

      • HJ Madison
        05/13/2013 at 4:46 pm

        It is well worth trying to find. “The Real CSI” by Frontline and ProPublica. It will disturb you! We have put so much stock into so many science techniques and most are not validated for court. Scary!

      • Jay
        05/13/2013 at 4:52 pm
      • HJ Madison
        05/13/2013 at 4:57 pm

        Jay: Yes, but MMD can not get pbs streamed in Canada. Like we can’t get BBC iplayer. Have you seen the program?

      • Jay
        05/13/2013 at 5:50 pm

        Just watched it. You’re right, scary to learn all that. But on the positive side, I’m applying for my certification tomorrow! 😈

    • truejustice
      05/13/2013 at 4:56 pm

      Maybe try amazon. I dont know if they have it , but they do have several season (free for prime)

      • MMD
        05/13/2013 at 5:08 pm

        Amazon.ca does not provide streaming services in Canada 😦

      • MMD
        05/13/2013 at 5:12 pm

        and I have prime. We still don’t even have the Kindle Fire – carrier rights, etc. mind is an older one. On a positive note, I did manage to give a friend of mine a Kindle Fire the first Christmas they came out and she loved it!!!

      • truejustice
        05/13/2013 at 5:19 pm

        aaww shucks!

  83. Family of Law
    05/13/2013 at 4:58 pm

    Hello! This is an old joke, that has always given me a laugh- but when I came across it today, it took on “extra meaning”, and gave me a hearty giggle…

    “Today I went onto Thesaurus.com and searched for ‘Ninjas’, the computer told me, ‘Ninjas cannot be found’….Well played Ninjas, very well played.”

    • NancyB
      05/13/2013 at 5:29 pm

      Still giggling!!! That’s a good one, FOL. 🙂

      • Family of Law
        05/13/2013 at 5:31 pm

        Hi Nanc! Yea, it hit my funny bone! Double whammy with thesaurus AND ninja!

  84. HJ Madison
    05/13/2013 at 5:04 pm

    I am impressed with that Tennessee courtroom! Past 5 pm and still going strong. 10 minutes really is 10 minutes too! This is going to get really awful though….just look at the contents of her purse 😓.

  85. Family of Law
    05/13/2013 at 5:13 pm

    JA has been sprung from the psych ward. No more paper gown. Bring on Dr. Rob Lowe Horn, and the “Heat is Juan”!

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 5:21 pm

      wow really, where is she??????

      • Family of Law
        05/13/2013 at 5:25 pm

        Hi MMD! She’s been transported back to the Estrella jail…

      • MMD
        05/13/2013 at 5:27 pm

        She just have gotten tired of being under the microscope and wanted to get back to her peeps in her pod 🙄

      • MMD
        05/13/2013 at 5:27 pm

        plus she probably really missed those peanut butter or baloney sandwiches. 😆

      • Family of Law
        05/13/2013 at 5:29 pm

        Yes, she may have bitten off more than she meant to with her media blitz. Although, I’m not sure she knows the difference between negative and positive attention. I can’t wait for her to experience isolation.

      • MMD
        05/13/2013 at 5:57 pm

        me either 😈

  86. SeniorMoments
    05/13/2013 at 5:15 pm

    Hello! I just signed on and started reading to catch up, plus I’ve got HLN on in the background! I feel like a ball in a game of pinball…bouncing from peg to peg…….Arias, Newsom, OJ, Gosnell, …..I can’t follow the responses here….someone posts a comment
    about Arias and the next post refers to Newsom and then back to Arias then OJ! Eeeeek! Then throw in HLN who can’t figure out what they’re doing and what they’re covering and it gets too much for me. I guess I’ll just start from here and try to make sense of it!

    Donchaise, you are a miracle worker to keep this all rolling snd under control!

  87. NancyB
    05/13/2013 at 5:27 pm

    HJ Madison :
    It is well worth trying to find. “The Real CSI” by Frontline and ProPublica. It will disturb you! We have put so much stock into so many science techniques and most are not validated for court. Scary!

    TI saw this last year and it was excellent. I ADORE ProPublica!!! They are pretty much the last of our top notch investigative journalists. MMD – here’s a link that will work for you.

    http://www.propublica.org/article/no-forensic-background-no-problem

    • MMD
      05/13/2013 at 5:45 pm

      Thanks Nancy – emailed that to myself as well. HJ you really started a massive search today with your comment. Thanks to all!!! 😀

  88. HJ Madison
    05/13/2013 at 5:28 pm

    Christian/Newsom – that was strange … where is the defense going? Are they going to jump on some for the forensic testing or the lab?

  89. Beans
    05/13/2013 at 5:28 pm

    MMD – re: frontline, use the link jay provided. i just tried it and had no problem.

    • HJ Madison
      05/13/2013 at 5:32 pm

      Great! Anyone who has not seen it should, especially if you are interested in forensic testimony.

  90. MMD
    05/13/2013 at 5:30 pm

    Not very many objections in this Christian/Newsom trial. Can’t get over how fast they’re moving.

    • HJ Madison
      05/13/2013 at 5:34 pm

      And the DT is quick …. something must be coming though … otherwise why not plea?

    • donchais
      05/13/2013 at 5:35 pm

      The way it should be done!!!!

      • HJ Madison
        05/13/2013 at 5:38 pm

        Is there anything? Or is this just BS to drag the poor family thru it and keep the killer in jail instead of facing the music?

  91. NancyB
    05/13/2013 at 5:31 pm

    MMD – I just posted a link for ProPublica that you can get to BUT it’s in moderation 😦

  92. MMD
    05/13/2013 at 5:36 pm

    I just tried the link that Jay provided and it worked!!!! Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks everybody for continuing to dig because I really want to see this. I just emailed myself the link!!!!! {{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}} to all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😀 Now, can you just find some time for me to watch it????????????? 😆

  93. truejustice
    05/13/2013 at 5:37 pm

    Thomas retrial … Does anyone know if his lawyer is Public Defender ? I can’t imagine too many lawyers standing in line to defend him.

    • donchais
      05/13/2013 at 5:38 pm

      Sure are.

    • truejustice
      05/13/2013 at 5:42 pm

      I wonder how you get to the point where you can start earning money for watching trials.
      After watching / keeping up on several trials now … I believe I need trial anonymous or a new job. LOL !

  94. 05/13/2013 at 5:43 pm

    Did they ever have any prints or any evidence that Thomas was in the house on chipman street?

    • donchais
      05/13/2013 at 5:45 pm

      Yes, eye witnesses and his own statement to LE. It’s all coming!

      • 05/13/2013 at 5:47 pm

        ok thank you Donchais. I thought that was the case but they are going thru the prints and I was waiting on pins and needles lol my curiosity got the best of me..lol

      • donchais
        05/13/2013 at 5:49 pm

        NP…like I said, I had to go back and take spoilers out of the entry that will go up in a bit, lol.

      • truejustice
        05/13/2013 at 5:48 pm

        Is thomas the only one of the group with a re-trial ?

      • donchais
        05/13/2013 at 5:50 pm

        Vanessa Coleman, Cobbins’ girlfriend had her retrial a couple months back…This is the end now.

  95. HJ Madison
    05/13/2013 at 5:57 pm

    Jay :
    Just watched it. You’re right, scary to learn all that. But on the positive side, I’m applying for my certification tomorrow! 😈

    Great! With your proclivity for imaginative writing, you should make for an excellant and entertaining expert witness! 😉😉

  96. HJ Madison
    05/13/2013 at 6:04 pm

    What? You mean the Tennessee Judge lets them go after 6pm? Guess that defendant does not get migraines!

  97. Beans
    05/13/2013 at 6:06 pm

    wow. that’s the way to blast through a day of testimony.

  98. MMD
    05/13/2013 at 6:06 pm

    Ya notice how much space they have crime taped off around the defendant as well as all the LE.

    • Beans
      05/13/2013 at 6:13 pm

      i’m leaving a message for you at the avatar. check it out.

  99. MMD
    05/13/2013 at 6:11 pm

    Wow, 7:10 already and I still haven’t even taken in the newspaper or my mail from my front door. I need more hours in the day 😯 and I’m now watching OJ now. 😦

  100. NancyB
    05/13/2013 at 6:15 pm

    I’m not convinced that JA’s lawyers did not have prior knowledge of the interview. I just find it difficult to believe that the entire group of court personnel and prison guards were all in the loop and Nurmi & JW were not. I guess time will tell.

  101. donchais
    05/13/2013 at 6:16 pm

    Sorry it got so nuts here today with JA, OJ, Christian/Newsom and all other stuff. Christian/Newsom can be found here:

    https://callsforjustice.wordpress.com/2013/05/13/christiannewsom-murders-george-thomas-retrail-begins/

  102. donchais
    05/13/2013 at 6:23 pm

    Will open a new JA thread shortly so we can kinda keeps things sorted out!

  103. donchais
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