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Christian/Newsom Murders – George Thomas Retrial, Day 4

05/16/2013

Day 3 testimony

I am still so miffed about losing all the testimony of ME, Dr. Mileusnic-Polchan.

From the testimony at previous trials:

WARNING, extremely disturbing!!!

Dr. Mileusnic-Polchan said Newsom’s body was face up, badly charred and a belt bound his feet. “The body was subjected to high heat.”  Newsom’s upper body was more burned. His ankles weren’t burned, but they were charred. In fact, Newsom’s body was so charred, he was almost unrecognizable.

Newsom was repeatedly raped with a foreign object just an hour or two before he was killed. She described the condition of Newsom’s anal area as having tears and lots of bruising.

“This is not just a rape,” she said. “This is the blunt trauma where an object comes in contact and severely damages the tissue. The depth of the injury was so grave there was no way that just the regular rape could inflict this.”

He was then blindfolded, gagged by a sock being shoved in his mouth, arms tied behind his back, his bare feet bound and his head covered.  He was either led or dragged to a set of railroad tracks. He was shot in the back of the head, the neck, and the back, and his body set on fire.

Dr. Mileusnic-Polchan said the gunshot to Newsom’s head caused “instantaneous death.”  There was also blunt trauma to his head, perhaps from hitting the ground after being shot.

Channon death came after hours of sexual torture.  Christian suffered horrific injuries to her vagina, anus, and mouth. Her top lip frenulum was torn.

She was not only raped, but also savaged with ‘an object’.

Dr. Mileusnic-Polchan said Christian had tears, bruising and swelling in her vaginal and anal areas, as well as signs of blunt force trauma.

She was not only brutally raped; she was then kicked repeatedly in the vaginal area. She also suffered blows to the head, bruising on her arms indicate she was grabbed by force and she had carpet burns on her back.  She also had hemorrhages on both sides of the top of her head.  They were severe, but not the cause of death.

Bleach was poured down her throat.  This was while Christian was alive. She was then bound in a fetal position with curtains and strips of bedding so tightly her knees were touching her cheeks.   Her face was covered with a small white trash bag and her body placed inside five black trash bags before being placed inside a large trashcan and covered with sheets. Christian died slowly by asphyxia with her eyes open.

Christian was wearing only a sweatshirt and camisole.

Day 4

All parties are in place.

Court begins at 9:05.

Both sides stipulate that the 4 Runner had a sunroof.

Leland Price enters a few more pieces of evidence.

State rests!

Jury sent out so the jury instructions can be finalized.

Johnson asks for an acquittal based on there is no evidence that Mr. Thomas committed any crime and that Ethel Freeman was mentioned during the case, but she was not called to testify.

Judge denies motion.

Thomas placed under oath and takes the stand.

Dillard asks if he knows he doesn’t have to testify, do you understand?  Yes.

You understand you have the right to testify if you so choose?  Yes.

Thomas waived the right to testify.

Defense will not offer any proof.

Jury brought back and the defense rests.

Jury again sent out so instructions can be finalized.

Two items are addressed, one was a typo and one was an instruction the defense didn’t want, but the judge overruled.

Both sides approved the verdict form.

Dillard tells Judge Kurtz he and Johnson will split the defense closing.

Judge agrees.

Court on a 10-minute recess and then the State will begin closing arguments.

Courts resumes at 9:34.

TaKisha tells the jury they asked what crimes were committed.

She discusses that fact the 4 Runner was stolen and at gunpoint.

The fact Channon was murdered.

Aggravated rape was proven.

Aggravated theft.

Premeditated murder because once Channon was bound and the plastic bag placed over her head and stuffed in the garbage bags and placed in the trashcan the intent was she would suffocate.

She details the crimes against Chris.

The State believes Thomas promoted and aided in the commission of the crimes.

Thomas was in the home before and after the crimes.

Thomas then fled to Kentucky.

Thomas’ own statement contains several versions.

Thomas says he woke up when the blindfolded kids were brought in and he looked out the sunroom and said nice ride.  Did he leave if he didn’t want to participate?  No he didn’t

His own statement indicates he knew crimes were being committed.  He even rode around in the 4 Runner.

Xavier Jenkins told you he saw 4 black males in the 4 Runner.

Thomas was in the house; he heard what was going on.

He fled to Kentucky and still stayed with Cobbins and Coleman.  Did he go to the Lebanon police and tell them about the crimes?  He had the opportunity to be the eyes and ears, but didn’t.

During questioning he could have helped investigators but he tried to save his buddies.

Johnson up…

The prosecutor just told you a story.  You didn’t hear any of that from the witnesses.

George Thomas is not guilty.

You get to decide about the government’s speculation and guesses.  That’s a powerful position.

The government pulled out all the stops on this case.

Johnson says Thomas had no criminal intent.

Thomas was not for them jacking the car, he told them to chill. The knowledge of the crime does not make him criminally responsible.  He has to act.

Yes he was at the house when they brought in Chris & Channon but mere presence doesn’t make him criminally responsible.

Thomas’ DNA was nowhere.

Johnson really hammering on Thomas’ statement to police.  The question is, did you believe it?

Johnson done.

Judge tells the jury they will next hear from Dillard, the State will finish up, and then they will hear the jury instructions

Judge calls a 10-minute break…

Tom Dillard is finishing the defense arguments.

He thanks the jury for their attention.

Says what was done to these kids was awful and they didn’t deserve this.

All the evidence shown in this case doesn’t take away the presumption of Thomas’ innocence.

Thomas didn’t encourage anyone in the crimes.

Just because they were friends doesn’t make Thomas responsible.

Stacy Lawson told you Thomas didn’t have a gun.  She even gave him money before she left.

Daphne Sutton went to the house to get her makeup.  Thomas was sitting at the TV; He didn’t say anything and didn’t try to stop her from going anywhere.

Now he’s dumping on Daphne for not calling the police.

There is no forensic evidence that ties Mr. Thomas to the horrible crimes were committed.

He’s discussing reasonable doubt & allowing the mind rest easily to the moral certainty of guilt.

We trust you to listen to the facts and we trust you will find Mr. Thomas not guilty.

Leland Price up.

He thanks the jury for their service.

No DNA, no fingerprints.  The state told you that.

Think about other items. The trash can. Any DNA on the trashcan? No, none was there.  Well, how did the can get there?  Did it fly to the spot in the kitchen?

You heard from the expert only 10% of the time, do we get fingerprints.

The Judge will give you instructions and will tell you, to determine criminally responsibility no act needs to be proven.

You heard Stacy Lawson tell you how small the house was and with no doors, you could hear everything gong on.

Price says to not check your common sense at the door.

Price says Thomas’ statement is self-serving garbage!

Davidson couldn’t have committed all these by himself, it took a ‘team’, and ‘G’ was part of the team.

Thomas went to Kentucky after murders. Do the innocent flee or do the guilty? Think about that.

Thomas was on that team and it’s too late to get off the team.

Price done.

Judge begins reading the instructions.

This is pretty tedious.  Instructions have taken well over an hour!

Alternate juror numbers are pulled.

Well, that’s it.  Jury will have lunch and then begin deliberations.

1:14, we are on verdict watch!

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  1. MMD
    05/16/2013 at 1:26 pm

    OMG all ready! I figured I would be able to get back to this trial tomorrow cause yesterday I just couldn’t concentrate!!!! Hopefully the families will get the results that they so deserve!!! For your sake donchais, I’m glad it’s over so quickly!!!

    Hang in there darlin’, the jury will do the right thing!!! xoxo

    • donchais
      05/16/2013 at 1:32 pm

      TA!

      • MMD
        05/16/2013 at 6:29 pm

        Your sandbox has made an executive decision. We are now attending the Donchais University because of the wealth of knowledge you have created getting us all together on your blog. So how does it feel to be not only President but to have a univ. named after you? Have a drink of vodka, calm your nerves and relax. Love ya from all of us XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX

  2. David In TN
    05/16/2013 at 3:44 pm

    The jury has asked to hear Thomas’ statement again. Not a surprise.

    • donchais
      05/16/2013 at 4:30 pm

      Thanks David! As you can probably guess…I’m s bit overwhelmed at this point! Too much to do, so little time!

  3. David In TN
    05/16/2013 at 5:59 pm

    Jamie Satterfield just tweeted that Pizza has been brought in for the jury.

    • donchais
      05/16/2013 at 7:11 pm

      Very cool…let’s get ‘er done attitude! Let me know if ya hear we have a verdict please…I’m up to my eyeballs!

  4. truejustice
    05/16/2013 at 6:17 pm

    Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 16s
    Just saw one of the next witnesses, a past friend of #JodiArias went into a conference room beside the courtroom. Not sure her name.
    Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More

    • truejustice
      05/16/2013 at 6:18 pm

      oops – toggling between 2 … and posted on wrong page. Donchais , how in the world do you keep this straight?

      • donchais
        05/16/2013 at 6:48 pm

        LOL. At this point not sure I even know my name!

  5. Beans
    05/16/2013 at 7:02 pm

    thanks donchais and ritanita for all you do.

  6. ritanita
    05/16/2013 at 7:06 pm

    I am hoping and praying that the jury gets it right. I’ll be on tenterhooks waiting.

  7. David In TN
    05/16/2013 at 8:16 pm

    The jury is done for the night. They will resume tomorrow at 9 am.

    • donchais
      05/16/2013 at 8:27 pm

      TSVM, David!

  8. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/16/2013 at 10:51 pm

    Every time I read a description of the horror, I remember a recording of a chief law enforcement officer saying that this was “absolutely not a hate crime.” And, even the parents were asked on camera if it was a “hate crime” and even they were so vacuumed up by the notion of that wording that they insisted that the guy not indicted for this crime- (Eric Boyd I think the name), – was the “one” who had “that” in him. have we brought Why race or age or religion or gender into a “special” category of “hate.” I said so when they were first discussed, If you butcher a small Orthodox Hasidic kid on his way to school, that’s a “hate” crime in my book, the same way doing it to a young girl on the way to Brownie camp.
    Well, OJ killing his wife and Ron Goldman was a “hate crime” in my book. So was dragging a man by chain behind a truck. Or doing what was done to Chris or Channon.
    I think the effort to classify some acts as more of a crime or less than a crime diminishes thge horror of the act that is the crime.

  9. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/16/2013 at 10:58 pm

    MMD :
    Your sandbox has made an executive decision. We are now attending the Donchais University because of the wealth of knowledge you have created getting us all together on your blog. So how does it feel to be not only President but to have a univ. named after yo
    u? Have a drink of vodka, calm your nerves and relax. Love ya from all of us XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX

    Yeah! Donchais doesn’t have to make herself a “distinguished professor” or “found” a college. The college was NAMED after her by THOSE who instruct there and take classes there. And its not so limited as a “college” but its universality – 25 US States, east and west Canada, west and central Australia, and Eastern Europe make up the people who “founded” the university that built upon the college founded by Donchais . She provided the stimulus, funds, and space . In addition, she insisted upon remaining in the classroom; not just an administrator or fund raiser–a real professor!

    Donchais University.
    Like it.

  10. MMD
    05/17/2013 at 8:55 am

    Robert exits Rotterdam :

    MMD :
    Your sandbox has made an executive decision. We are now attending the Donchais University because of the wealth of knowledge you have created getting us all together on your blog. So how does it feel to be not only President but to have a univ. named after yo
    u? Have a drink of vodka, calm your nerves and relax. Love ya from all of us XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX

    Yeah! Donchais doesn’t have to make herself a “distinguished professor” or “found” a college. The college was NAMED after her by THOSE who instruct there and take classes there. And its not so limited as a “college” but its universality – 25 US States, east and west Canada, west and central Australia, and Eastern Europe make up the people who “founded” the university that built upon the college founded by Donchais . She provided the stimulus, funds, and space . In addition, she insisted upon remaining in the classroom; not just an administrator or fund raiser–a real professor!
    Donchais University.
    Like it.

    Robert – I owe you a MASSIVE apology and I’m really sorry. I could list a bunch of excuses but they don’t matter. I realized this as soon as I shut off my computer soooooooooooo

    ROBERT and DONCHAIS – pay attention. 😯

    While many are ready to criticize and write letters for various causes I’m a firm believer that letter of praise or credit should always be given when due as well and I didn’t this time.

    THE DONCHAIS UNIVERSITY was so named at the suggestion of Robert exits Rotterdam (and is apparently floating somewhere in the universe) and as such should be given the credit!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was his idea and the sandbox ran with it. All were in agreement with not a nay to be heard. Basically it was done by acclamation and deservedly so!!! 😀

    So congrats to Donchais for creating this university and Robert for suggesting that we had all learned so much that we have outgrown a school!!!!!! 😀

    I am now putting myself in the naughty corner for my transgression ➡ ➡ 😦

  11. MMD
    05/17/2013 at 8:56 am

    in moderation, sorry donchais but I’m already in the naughty corner 😦

  12. MMD
    05/17/2013 at 9:04 am

    Donchais, I know that you’re up because you just cleared my post above. Did you get any sleep darlin’ or did you just toss and turn because it is now verdict watch and your heart is aching???? The jury will do the right thing for these horrific crimes. You haven’t been earning all those brownie points for nothing!!! 😯

    {{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}} from all of us at your University. Love ya GF XOXOXO

    • donchais
      05/17/2013 at 10:09 am

      I slept well…due to exhaustion, lol. Jury back at work at 9am. Have a reporters Twitter account up, she’s hanging in court. Next really expecting much today just based on the mountain of charges they have to go through, but like I always say, ya never know what a jury will do! Being sequestered can’t be much fun!

      • MMD
        05/17/2013 at 10:32 am

        I know it’s 45 charges or something but ya just never know with a jury. I’m sure that even though they were brought in from Nashville, they have still heard about this case and want the scum gone as much as the people of Knoxville.

        Is the jury allowed to work over the weekend cause I know they let them in some jurisdictions??????

  13. David In TN
    05/17/2013 at 12:11 pm

    THERE IS A VERDICT. It will be read after lunch.

  14. MMD
    05/17/2013 at 12:13 pm

    OK have WBIR and WATE going live. After lunch – how about an exact time!!!!!!!!!! 😦

  15. MMD
    05/17/2013 at 12:14 pm

    So will it be 1 ET??????????

  16. 05/17/2013 at 12:22 pm

    OMG they are in court. That poor family! Im terrified and Im a total Newbie to this… how the heck must they feel!!!

  17. MMD
    05/17/2013 at 12:26 pm

    YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  18. 05/17/2013 at 12:26 pm

    omg yay!!!! guilty first degree felony murder!! Soo happy for the family!!!

  19. David In TN
    05/17/2013 at 12:27 pm

    GUILTY! GUILTY! On both murder counts.

  20. 05/17/2013 at 12:27 pm

    omg Im crying.. how hopeless am I! omg Donchais…. I know you can’t be keeping this together if Im not.. cos I’m so new to this horror story!!!!!!!!!!

    • donchais
      05/17/2013 at 12:39 pm

      Tears of joy!!!

      • 05/17/2013 at 12:43 pm

        😀 yep I know it! Oh I bet the families are flooded with relief!

  21. 05/17/2013 at 12:29 pm

    yessss yesssss omg this is soo good…. is this more than the original trial or the same result?

  22. MMD
    05/17/2013 at 12:30 pm

    and George Thomas has the audacity to sit there and shake his head 👿 as guilty of all the charges is being read!!!!

  23. 05/17/2013 at 12:30 pm

    Wow good job jury!

  24. 05/17/2013 at 12:32 pm

    yay judge even explains what is going on behind closed doors… Judge Stephens please learn!!

  25. David In TN
    05/17/2013 at 12:33 pm

    It looks like a sweep for the prosecution. This is what happened in Thomas’ first trial.

    • 05/17/2013 at 12:33 pm

      thankyou.. I was dying to know that.

      • 05/17/2013 at 12:34 pm

        ok unfortunate choice of wording on that! sheesh! sorry!! 😳 😳 😳

  26. 05/17/2013 at 12:36 pm

    NIce to see the families so happy!

  27. MMD
    05/17/2013 at 12:38 pm

    Well the way that this court and jury works, I’m betting there will be a sentence handed down this afternoon. No waiting around over the weekend for this case 🙂

  28. 05/17/2013 at 12:40 pm

    I am glad to hear that Channon’s dad says this verdict was even better than he hoped for.
    😀

  29. MMD
    05/17/2013 at 12:42 pm

    Donchais and Ritanita – you must be so relieved. I’m so pleased that the jury got it right and I’m sure the sentence will reflect that. 😀

    The families are being interviewed on http://www.wate.com/category/264228/george-thomas-retrial

  30. MMD
    05/17/2013 at 12:45 pm

    trialwatch:
    Thank you Davidson County, for the loan of these 16 citizens. Hope we can return them to you very soon.

  31. MMD
    05/17/2013 at 12:48 pm

    trialwatch:
    Can we all, please, take a moment or two to recognize the amount of work Ms. Fitzgerald and Mr. Price have done to get this result (yet again)? Please keep them in your hearts.

  32. Jill
    05/17/2013 at 12:48 pm

    Oh my gosh..how truly emotional to watch the families after the verdict. They might have got some justice from the system, but their lives are forever ruined. No one could continue living a normal life ever again after what happened to their babies. They will suffer here on earth every waking moment until they die. This isn’t something you can ever move on from or put out of your mind..even for a moment. …They will be haunted with the images of their child being brutally and barbarically raped and murdered forever.
    I’m so sad and my heart is aching hard for them. Poor, dear family.

  33. truejustice
    05/17/2013 at 12:51 pm

    omg – got sidetracked on a conf call with my boss.

    YA !!!!
    I have 3 questions :
    1. Was he guilty on all 38 charges ?
    2. What was he originally found guilty on
    3. What is the schedule for sentencing ?

    • donchais
      05/17/2013 at 12:54 pm

      Guilty all 46 charges
      the same
      expect penalty phase shortly, this afternoon
      sentencing in prolly 30 to 60

      Have story ready to go up, just waiting for the penalty

      • MMD
        05/17/2013 at 12:56 pm

        I hope you and Ritanita are taking very very deep breaths 🙂

      • MMD
        05/17/2013 at 12:58 pm

        can we put him in a cell with JA until she gets her needle??????

      • truejustice
        05/17/2013 at 12:58 pm

        THX !! There is much for you to celebrate 🙂

    • Jill
      05/17/2013 at 1:02 pm

      Oh MMD, that would b so perfect!

      • MMD
        05/17/2013 at 1:18 pm

        yeah – no cost to the states involved cause they would kill each other!!!!!!!!!

  34. Jill
    05/17/2013 at 12:56 pm

    I still can’t get over that this is not on national news! This is just about the worst thing I’ve ever heard of.

    • 05/17/2013 at 1:06 pm

      makes you wonder what else is out there that you don’t hear about.

      • Jill
        05/17/2013 at 1:11 pm

        Exactly

  35. donchais
    05/17/2013 at 1:19 pm

    Penalty phase at 1:30!!!

    • 05/17/2013 at 1:22 pm

      I love this judge… juxtaposed with Stephens it is such a refreshing change! Like a sea breeze across ones face!

    • Jill
      05/17/2013 at 1:22 pm

      Ty

  36. truejustice
    05/17/2013 at 1:22 pm

    question : I recently read Thomas confessed to “some girl” that he was
    sorry I shot that boy”. Since no one seems to have been directly found guilty (just facilitation of) of newsome rape (wiki) it is believe that Thomas was the one who raped and shot newsome ?

    • truejustice
      05/17/2013 at 1:24 pm

      oops .. is it believed ?

    • donchais
      05/17/2013 at 1:26 pm

      That story came from Vanessa Coleman, who lied throughout. She probably did that to protect Cobbins.

      • 05/17/2013 at 1:36 pm

        pity she got a lighter sentence.. I have a feeling she was heavily involved with what happened to Channon. Though I shouldnt be making wild accusation like that I have never read the trial transcript but basing it on circumstances involving group think mentality such as shown in the stanford prison experiment.

      • donchais
        05/17/2013 at 1:40 pm

        Most believe her repeated kicking is what did so much damage to her genitals.

      • 05/17/2013 at 1:46 pm

        and that would be in line with a very violent female’s act upon another female.. I would anecdotally agree with that assumption.

      • MMD
        05/17/2013 at 1:52 pm

        OMG that is horrible. What a cruel and heinous thing to do, It constantly amazes me what humans are capable of 👿

      • MMD
        05/17/2013 at 1:54 pm

        It am continually surprised what women will do to cover to cover up actions by low life men. I doubt as many men would do the same.

  37. truejustice
    05/17/2013 at 1:46 pm

    in my ignorance .. I had to look up why they where smoking embalming .

    Good gravy … ! That crap makes good people turn bad .. and bad people turn into satin!

    • donchais
      05/17/2013 at 1:49 pm

      or they die, which would have been ok!

      • 05/17/2013 at 1:53 pm

        that would have been preferable! to all concerned – as long as it only involved them.

    • 05/17/2013 at 1:51 pm

      yeah sniffing embalming fluid is bad enough .. let alone lacing a spliff or cigarette with it! sheesh!

      • truejustice
        05/17/2013 at 2:07 pm

        ” This carcinogen has been linked to causes of nasal and lung cancer as well as links to brain cancer and leukemia.” perhaps they will die a long slow painful death .. on the way to death row !

  38. truejustice
    05/17/2013 at 2:06 pm

    Is vis complete ? Now just waiting for sentencing ?

    • donchais
      05/17/2013 at 2:09 pm

      No, some items are being redacted because they are in violation of law…vis should happen shortly.

      • 05/17/2013 at 2:14 pm

        vis is going to be hard to watch! Will the pros allow any of the family members who want to speak or only a selection?

      • donchais
        05/17/2013 at 2:24 pm

        It is…seen it 6 times already. Usually the parents, although I did see Chris’ sis once. The real killer is Gary Christian. His anger is so powerful…that’s why all the armed guards blocking him from the defendant…afraid he will go into attack mode.

      • 05/17/2013 at 2:34 pm

        Donchais.. is he the one that sways a lot to try to soothe himself? If so my heart goes out to that man my eyes glisten when I see him like that, knowing the knot that lives inside him, he yearns for a release he knows will never come.

      • donchais
        05/17/2013 at 2:36 pm

        yup…we call it Gary’s angry rock! Channon was his baby girl!

        He got a little release today…wait till ya see the photo on today’s blog…if we ever finish here, lol.

  39. MMD
    05/17/2013 at 2:15 pm

    Why can’t I get anything on WATE and WBIR and haven’t been able to for a while????? Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • donchais
      05/17/2013 at 2:21 pm

      in recess at the moment

      • MMD
        05/17/2013 at 2:22 pm

        ty – when will it be back?

      • donchais
        05/17/2013 at 2:26 pm

        soon

    • 05/17/2013 at 2:22 pm

      I only have test pattern on wbir… they came back, judge ruled on what was allowed in the VIS, they filed out and it went to this break. Not sure of time before they return guess they are just reorganising the statements in lieu of what was deemed inadmissible.. ie the addressing to Thomas rather than only the jurors.

    • 05/17/2013 at 2:38 pm

      video back on in court room no sound yet.

      • truejustice
        05/17/2013 at 2:46 pm

        not sound here either

  40. 05/17/2013 at 2:43 pm

    donchais :
    yup…we call it Gary’s angry rock! Channon was his baby girl!

    How do you live knowing that happened to your baby??? knowing what they did. OMG I cannot imagine it..

    I have had things to cope with where I felt I could not deal.. seriously could not deal with what I had to… but nothing NOTHING like what they have been given … I am strong and I barely lived through my pain… how I did was thinking of people like them.. of how if they can do it.. I can do it for mine was nothing compared to theirs!

    Unimaginable what it is like for him.

    Like the Alexanders said yesterday.. reliving it over and over and over in their heads.. a living hell!

    • donchais
      05/17/2013 at 2:47 pm

      go re-read my original comment…I updated it, lol!

      • 05/17/2013 at 2:50 pm

        😀 I saw the family smile.. I can’t wait to see your blog of it!

  41. 05/17/2013 at 2:53 pm

    OK.. tissues at the ready! 😥 man I dont wanna hear this!!!!

  42. Beans
    05/17/2013 at 2:57 pm

    g’day all. i like this prosecutor’s style. no bombast, just lays out the horrific facts.

  43. Lisa M
    05/17/2013 at 2:59 pm

    What they did to Christian defies belief. How could these people have that much hate inside them to do this to another human being. I’ve never heard of torture like this. I don’t even think Satan himself could inflict such torture.

  44. Lisa M
    05/17/2013 at 3:03 pm

    I firmly believe that God or one of his angels comforts the victim when this kind of thing happens. I do not believe they died alone. I think God comes and rescues them before the actual death.

    • Nienna
      05/17/2013 at 3:12 pm

      As do I!

  45. 05/17/2013 at 3:25 pm

    He has hardly said 10 words and I am bawling.
    😥

  46. truejustice
    05/17/2013 at 3:27 pm

    I’m gonna hold my kids just a little tighter and a little longer tonight! 😦
    I cannot begin to imagine the depth of their pain, and the immensity of their loss.

  47. HJ Madison
    05/17/2013 at 3:45 pm

    To be so loved by a father! Heartwrenching😓

  48. 05/17/2013 at 3:46 pm

    OMG that man breaks my heart … why the heck didn’t someone give him some tissues!!! I was sitting here offering him mine!!

  49. 05/17/2013 at 3:53 pm

    amazing how the simplest things.. like him talking about his mother doing his laundry “one last time” can reduce you to tears!! 😥

    • 05/17/2013 at 3:55 pm

      That sentence made me completely lose it..

  50. 05/17/2013 at 4:08 pm

    This man is saddest yet.. he has been bawling!!!!! oh man!!! 😥

    • 05/17/2013 at 4:12 pm

      correction.. couldnt see through the tears.. that should be… “he has ME bawling”

  51. Beans
    05/17/2013 at 4:09 pm

    ah man, wish i could hug my boy right now, alas, he lives in another town.

    • 05/17/2013 at 4:10 pm

      go hug your wife!

      • Beans
        05/17/2013 at 4:14 pm

        that would be ex-wife. when she left my son wanted to be with me and i raised him for 10 years as a single dad before he struck out on his own. we’re tight.

    • 05/17/2013 at 4:17 pm

      oops soz Beans 😳

      • Beans
        05/17/2013 at 4:20 pm

        no prob syn. “everybody has a story that will break your heart”

  52. HJ Madison
    05/17/2013 at 4:19 pm

    Utterly unreal the amount of “collateral” agony inflicted from these senseless crimes. It is SO hard to understand.

    • Beans
      05/17/2013 at 4:24 pm

      unfathomable.

    • 05/17/2013 at 4:26 pm

      seriously think if you want to understand this crime read about: The Stanford Prison Experiment.

      • 05/17/2013 at 4:27 pm
      • truejustice
        05/17/2013 at 4:31 pm

        hey syn .. perfect timing . I was just going to ask you about that. Do you think without the “group” mentality – this would have not occured?

      • HJ Madison
        05/17/2013 at 4:33 pm

        Lord of the Flies …. who said that earlier …. that is why I wonder if any responsible person in these thugs lives have anything to say!

      • Beans
        05/17/2013 at 4:37 pm

        i’ve read about this before but never actually read it – thanks syn. what’s that quote, (paraphrasing here), all it takes for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

  53. HJ Madison
    05/17/2013 at 4:28 pm

    Donchais: In the other trials was there any relative who spoke on behalf of the defendants with any amount of remorse?

    • donchais
      05/17/2013 at 4:33 pm

      Not so much alot.

  54. 05/17/2013 at 4:33 pm

    HJ Madison :
    Lord of the Flies …. who said that earlier …. that is why I wonder if any responsible person in these thugs lives have anything to say!

    I did.

  55. 05/17/2013 at 4:34 pm

    I watched tape of Cobbins testify on his own behalf and he voiced remorse and cried. My opinion was that it was more for himself than for these kids.

    • donchais
      05/17/2013 at 4:37 pm

      Truthfully, is was pandering to the jury, He totally lied. They ALL pointed the finger at each other…common ploy when multiple thugs.

      • 05/17/2013 at 4:40 pm

        Yes. I was just thinking after I typed that of how he was also lying and trying to lessen his part in the whole thing. Did any of the other thugs testify in their own behalf?

      • donchais
        05/17/2013 at 4:42 pm

        Nope, just him…lawyers couldn’t shut him up or off!

      • 05/17/2013 at 4:42 pm

        ok thanks Donchais

  56. 05/17/2013 at 4:37 pm

    truejustice :
    hey syn .. perfect timing . I was just going to ask you about that. Do you think without the “group” mentality – this would have not occured?

    TJ seriously.. read about this experiment in that link… it’s one of the most fascinating incites into human behaviour ever undertaken.. and it had to be stopped early… even those running it were drawn into it and left it going too long. It’s quite terrifying to think of what we all may be capable of.

    • 05/17/2013 at 4:42 pm

      this is by NO MEANS and NO WAY to justify the perpetrators in this case… it is merely put forward as an educational link. I just want to make that clear in case someone misinterprets why I posted it.

      • truejustice
        05/17/2013 at 4:54 pm

        I agree that it is not justification, but fascinating insight into the human psyche. And perhaps a lesson to be learned , and for me to teach my children.

      • 05/17/2013 at 4:57 pm

        that would be wonderful! I believe in education.. not for the sake of educating but to learn and grow from and ultimately change that which can be changed if adequately understood.

    • HJ Madison
      05/17/2013 at 4:47 pm

      I recall this study vivdly. My mom suffered from diabetes and we had to prick her for a blood sample all the time. I just cringed every time I was tasked and begged my mom to forgive me from hurting her. The day “my personal WOBO” came along and laughed at me while I turned away and told mom how sorry I was to hurt her was the day I realized the trouble that lay ahead! And I was right ….

  57. HJ Madison
    05/17/2013 at 4:40 pm

    The Jodi show is off the wall — to some degree she suffers from mental illness. But these crimes … these criminals …. there is just nothing to understand in this! Sheer agony for the victims and no one taking any kind of responsibility. Donchais ….. how you can do this, to listen and watch over and over … what must you think of human kind and our future?

    • donchais
      05/17/2013 at 4:43 pm

      Hmmm, guess part of the reason I do it is to get it out there to folks so they…hope we all all make a difference to humanity in some way and these things aren’t tolerated!

      • HJ Madison
        05/17/2013 at 5:20 pm

        I hardly know what to say! When the Prosecutor just now talked about hope … it would be so easy to loose all hope when time and time again you withstand this process and these trials. Your contribution is so important! And much more than most any one could endure. Thank you!

      • donchais
        05/17/2013 at 5:24 pm

        These kids and their families deserved so much more and now they don’t get it. It’s time the insanity stops and we start holding criminals to the toughest standards and stop coddling them after they commit the unthinkable…big or small!

  58. 05/17/2013 at 5:19 pm

    I would like to see everyones thoughts on how quickly this trial has moved along vs the Wobo trial. Is it simply because of the difference being DP for WoBo and LWOP for Thomas?

    • donchais
      05/17/2013 at 5:20 pm

      Nope, this Judge takes no crap!!!

      • Beans
        05/17/2013 at 5:25 pm

        this judge is awesome(first time ever for typing that word)

  59. 05/17/2013 at 5:26 pm

    Beans :
    this judge is awesome(first time ever for typing that word)

    LOL @ U!!!

  60. David In TN
    05/17/2013 at 5:35 pm

    In Tennessee, this is how trials are conducted. The judges are expected to keep things moving. We even hold court on Saturday if necessary.

    • Beans
      05/17/2013 at 5:38 pm

      a tip of the hat from a canuck.

  61. Beans
    05/17/2013 at 5:36 pm

    OT – joey jackson just trashed Judge Stephens on HLN.

  62. donchais
    05/17/2013 at 5:43 pm

    WE HAVE A SENTENCE!

    • HJ Madison
      05/17/2013 at 5:51 pm

      I just got there …. what happened?

  63. 05/17/2013 at 5:52 pm

    huh??? I was watching but somehow I missed it.. they are hugging and leaving so I suspect LWOP but I didnt hear the announcement 😦

    • HJ Madison
      05/17/2013 at 5:54 pm

      Life with parole … reported at WBIR

      • HJ Madison
        05/17/2013 at 5:56 pm

        They could not prove he did the deed …. just stood by …. my guess anyway. What a shame! At least this is finished for some time to come!

      • 05/17/2013 at 5:58 pm

        bummer… but it won’t be for 50 years right?

  64. 05/17/2013 at 5:56 pm

    Thanks for yall’s response to my question. Now I have to say I am a little disappointed in the sentence.
    😦

  65. Beans
    05/17/2013 at 5:59 pm

    donchais, please tell us this is over. no more appeals. no more testimony about anal rape, multiple vaginal kicks, bleach in the mouth to destroy evidence, heartbroken parents having to make statements. this has to end.

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