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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – Jury Hung, Where To Next?


So, we got the worst of the worst news.  What next and how do we support the family and Juan and Estaban?

Painful, but it ain’t over til the fat lady sings!

Don’t give up now folks…the family still needs us, more than ever!

Much thx,


  1. Gwen
    05/24/2013 at 7:10 pm

    Watching HLN..replaying police interview of lovely Jodi..hope the jury is watching.

  2. Gwen
    05/24/2013 at 7:14 pm

    Donchais..do you believe, if she doesn’t get the death penalty, that she will get life without parole?

  3. donchais
    05/24/2013 at 7:24 pm

    LWOP isn’t what it sounds…she could be out after serving 25 years. She has served 5 already, which means she’d be out in 20…age 52. The law is the law in AZ. I have serious doubts she will get what she deserves.

    • Gwen
      05/24/2013 at 8:11 pm

      Thanks:Donchais…now I’m really sick. Will pray JUAN goes again….shows her tv interviews and the new jury will do the right thing for Travis. Heard too, the foreman mention Jodi was so small and young..hard to imagine her committing such a crime. Well, pictures don’t lie..only Jodi does!!

    • SeniorMoments
      05/24/2013 at 8:40 pm

      donchais, I’m still confused. I’ve heard the possibilities are: life (which allows for parole after 25 years), OR LWOP(also referred to as natural life) which I have taken to mean that parole is not an option. Can you clarify?

    • Lisa M
      05/24/2013 at 8:48 pm

      So life without parole ISN’T life without parole? It’s a misnomer? I don’t understand. So what is Life then, life w/o parole also?

  4. Chrissie A
    05/24/2013 at 7:26 pm

    Thanks Donchais! I do hope that you are feeling a bit better today:-) We should carry on with the same fervor of support as we have been and not give up hope on getting Justice for Travis. ~~Virtual Hugs~~

    • donchais
      05/24/2013 at 7:28 pm

      Many thanks, much needed!

  5. ringadingding
    05/24/2013 at 7:38 pm

    Bubble…for your list, another thing the jurors don’t know is that the Hughes’ email was misrepresented, that they were trying to get Jodi away from Travis. They also don’t know they called her the Rabbit Boiler and that they would not allow her back in their house.

  6. 05/24/2013 at 7:39 pm

    via The State vs Arias:

    “Foreman William Zervakos told The Associated Press that jurors struggled with what they called a flawed system, explaining Arias wasn’t “Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles Manson.” They thought it was unfair that 12 average Americans who aren’t lawyers had to make such a crucial decision.”

    Really? How did this guy get on the jury, let alone become the foreman

    I hope this is okay. (I didn’t know how to do this showing it as a quote with Chrissie A’s name – sorry) I copied Chrissie A’s post from previous page. Thought this deserved a bunch more exposure and attention.

    I can’t believe this. I am far from knowing the system but this is our American system. Obviously we as the American public have instituted laws that we must abide by. This is the system we have to have 12 “average Americans who aren’t lawyers” to make such a crucial decision. We must abide or the system fails. This was dishonest!!!!! Then why did you accept the charge, the challenge. I have been anti-DP all my life, until now. I still don’t like it but have come to accept if we can’t abide by all laws both great and small (stopping at the red light, etc.), we would have utter chaos and pandemonium. This is absolutely incredulous! Am I wrong America? (again I’m no legal expert, by far but this is sooo very wrong. – SOMETHING STINKS!!!!)

    • ringadingding
      05/24/2013 at 7:42 pm

      I know! And he said in an Inside Edition interview that he would like to talk to Jodi.

      • 05/24/2013 at 7:45 pm


        Why is he speaking for the entire jury? I’ve heard bits and pieces of him saying, we, we, we. He can’t be? I respect the jury system but I think something is very faulty here.

      • ringadingding
        05/24/2013 at 7:50 pm

        Well, it’s certainly clear why the jury knew it would not be able to reach a unanimous decision. Not enough koolaid for 12.

      • Chrissie A
        05/24/2013 at 7:58 pm

        Yes, to find out “what really happened” wonder which version she’s give him, as he’d no doubt buy into it – does he think he would be more effective than Juan or Flores with her?

      • ringadingding
        05/24/2013 at 8:04 pm

        Methinks he’s a bit smitten.

    • Chrissie A
      05/24/2013 at 7:53 pm

      Agreed BrightGirl! This guy needs to stop yapping, the more I hear the deeper he’s getting into a pile! First off, Charles Manson never killed anyone – secondly they were supposed to judge the evidence of this case only! I’m sure our legal minds on here will find much more than I – It seems as if he did not understand the jury instructions – his mitigating circumstances seem to be that she was small, young and female.

    • NancyB
      05/25/2013 at 12:54 am

      brightgirl – I agree with you about Milke. A very dirty cop who actually had a previous history of framing innocent people. Heartbreaking that it took so many years of her life. I think that she is waiting for date of new trial. I’m still not completely convinced that she isn’t guilty of something with her little boy’s death but that is just because I haven’t had the time to do all the investigation into her case that I want to do. I’ll update you when I do, ok?

    • Kathy A.
      05/25/2013 at 2:56 pm

      If the jurors hung up because some of them didn’t like what was expected of them by the system, why didn’t they get out of jury duty to begin with? I heard this same juror also say he believed Jodi was a victim of emotional and physical abuse! Not Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles Manson? That’s exactly who she is – what trial were they watching?

  7. donchais
    05/24/2013 at 8:00 pm

    K, folks…here’s the deal…You just saw a horrible legal injustice. Many are asking how and why. Deal is, ya saw it here in AZ…Ya saw the same in Florida with Caylee.

    Yup, we are outraged…can’t make sense of the legal system.

    Point is, it just ain’t here…look at your own state or province! What is exactly happening in your own backyard?

    Get out there…look how your area deals with situations like these. Think you will be appalled and disgusted and devastated how easy it is for felons to get off the hook.

    Go be a warrior! Only you and your cohorts can make a difference…don’t be complacent thinking its ok to leave to someone else…it starts at the grassroots!!!

    • Chrissie A
      05/24/2013 at 8:12 pm

      So true Donchais, it’s the best way to vent any anger and/or frustration with this or any situation a person feels strongly about. Make positive changes on a local, then hopefully a national level. Crystal has already shown us that one person can truly make a difference.

    • Anna
      05/24/2013 at 9:34 pm

      donchais, for some reason I came to your site after seemingly so long to see what was going on and found this beautifully written post by you. Thank you so much for your strong warrior words. As I’m like to say, life ain’t for….oh, fill in your own blank if you will. But you have been such an inspiration to me.

      My personal sincere hope for the Alexander Family, and closest family friends, is that you are getting some type of rest & regeneration, at least as much as we could hope for, and that you feel the strength in numbers right behind you all. This fight ain’t over until that fat lady sings the song of your choice. 🙂

      Thanks again, donchais.

  8. Regina
    05/24/2013 at 8:05 pm

    Its hard to believe in what this juror is saying. He did not have any problem accepting the cruelty of her act towards Travis and now he cannot give her a easy death? Travis didn’t stand a chance against this crazy woman and was butchered beyond imagination. I hope that after he sees her interviews he feel ashmed by his cowardice. Besides the fact that he believed that Travis abused her and she is a “survivor” is beyond me. I feel sorry for Alexandrt’s family. She will continue to drag his ne in the mud forever. I don’t want to give up on him. I hope that if she is not put to death I wish she be locked up forever.

    • Lisa M
      05/24/2013 at 8:56 pm

      You know what I’d love to understand? Why Angela Simpson, who really does represent the worst of the worst- she tortured her victim (a disabled man) for days in unimaginable ways before killing him– isn’t on death row. She got LWOP. I mean that’s pretty shocking.

      • HJ Madison
        05/24/2013 at 10:31 pm

        She plead guilty, right off the mark!

      • Lisa M
        05/24/2013 at 10:42 pm

        Oh ok HJ. That makes sense. She knew she’d get the DP otherwise. And now she and Jodi are going to be neighbors. 😊

      • Lisa M
        05/24/2013 at 10:51 pm

        If she gets LWOP. which I’ve always felt was punishment enough anyway. I mean I gradually came over to support DP but I was so worried from the start that all the leeway the judge allowed the DT because it was a DP case would screw up the whole trial. I always felt that if the highest charge was LWOP, it would have been over and done much sooner and she most likely would have received that sentence. I said it many times at the beginning of this trial. And now what is the family facing? Months and months more of this and now there’s even less of a chance of LWOP.

    • Kristy
      05/24/2013 at 11:15 pm

      As horrified as I am by the DP verdict, I believe that the jurors were in a horrible situation. They were held hostage for almost 5 months of their lives. Just because they weren’t sequestered, which I believe is an unfair burden for folks on a jury to do. They didn’t commit a crime, and shouldn’t be treated like criminals. Why should they be treated like those that they are judging. Quite frankly, I think that would make jurors more likely to be for the defendant, as they are treated like they are not trust worthy. At any rate, I don’t think jurors care to see anything about a trial they partipate in, as they need normality, and look to live their lives. It’s got to be emotionally draining. They’ve heard and seen horrible things, and most likely want to return to their normal lives.

      I had a colleague from work who was on the jury for McVeigh. It was a hard experience, even though it was easier for the jurors than JA. Jury duty for a big case is hard, and while I don’t get how Jodi didn’t get DP, I respect the effort they gave.

  9. Chrissie A
    05/24/2013 at 8:22 pm

    ringadingding :
    Methinks he’s a bit smitten.

    He should start off watching the interrogation tapes, then take a look at the motions the defense tried to slip into the case – especially her behavior with her first round of attorneys. And also check out her demeanor on the youtube trial coverage when the jury had left the room.

    • ringadingding
      05/24/2013 at 8:37 pm

      Ooooh good idea. I hope he and the other jurors do that with a view to keep an open mind and not one bent on defending what they’ve already assumed. What galls me is how the foreman said the public doesn’t know everything, when it’s the other way around.

      • Lisa M
        05/24/2013 at 8:52 pm

        It seems they would have been better off just voting for life in this case and the determination would have been made by the judge. I know she was emotional which I don’t really understand. You’d think she’d be frustrated with the jury. You’d think she’d want closure too. I’ve assumed up till now that she would have given LWOP but I don’t know what to think now.

      • ringadingding
        05/24/2013 at 9:12 pm

        I don’t understand that bit with the judge either. Maybe she understood that after all her bending over for the DT, she couldn’t deliver something that would hold up under appeal. Not to mention, her career…

      • Chrissie A
        05/24/2013 at 9:26 pm

        Plus he should definitely check out her blackmailing the Alexander family for a lesser charge or she would trash his name, which she followed through with when they didn’t agree.

    • Lisa M
      05/24/2013 at 8:53 pm

      Yeah the time where she laughs and stands on her head would be a good place to start

  10. Lisa M
    05/24/2013 at 9:02 pm

    Wow just watched the Inside Edition interview the foreman gave. He really was drinking the Jodi koolaid like mentioned above, wasnt he? I’m speechless. I wonder how he even decided on first degree with that attitude. She’s been “crucified” by public opinion? Wow.

    • ringadingding
      05/24/2013 at 9:08 pm

      Yes, the first degree surprises me after hearing him. It makes me think there was some sort of unspoken understanding before any of this started, thus JA’s statement of having felt betrayed. He also seems to echo the DT’s point of view on Juan. Something’s not right here.

      • CC ...
        05/24/2013 at 9:15 pm

        Something’s not right indeed!
        And the evil Cuntress sporting her hair like a little girl, with bangs and barrettes … She was definitely playing to the older men on the jury. The skank.

      • ringadingding
        05/24/2013 at 9:23 pm

        I guess we can now see how the mitigation specialist helped out.

      • Lisa M
        05/24/2013 at 10:40 pm

        Yeah and remember how curious JA was about who the foreman was? She’s about to find out whether of not she’s ever going to see the light of day and she’s asking Wilmott who the foreman is. Well now she’s got her answer.

    • CC ...
      05/24/2013 at 9:11 pm

      Aha!!! Public opinion??? So he WAS watching or reading media.

      So, he did not abide by the judge’s instructions, watched or read about her and STILL defends her?

      I will have to modify my original opinion from buffoon to despicable. He’s probably having naughty dreams about her.

      I thnk I need to throw up.
      Sorry for the rant.

      • ringadingding
        05/24/2013 at 9:14 pm

        And I will modify my opinion of the jury. I have a much better understanding about what a fustercluck it was.

  11. CC ...
    05/24/2013 at 9:04 pm

    Lisa M :
    So life without parole ISN’T life without parole? It’s a misnomer? I don’t understand. So what is Life then, life w/o parole also?

    Great question. I am totally confused as well.
    And as for the jury foreman … Well, I’m not going to pussyfoot around and say what I think…basically, the guy is a buffoon … and as someone pointed out…totally smitten with the Cuntress, I mean “I’d like to talk with Jodi ??? WTF??

    • truejustice
      05/24/2013 at 9:58 pm

      Life with out parole is Forever. unless governor intervenes on her behalf or a law is passed that is retroactive.

  12. 05/24/2013 at 9:24 pm

    Doesn’t anyone have a link to any of the interviews of that juror who is running at the mouth? We’ve checked BoobTube but we can’t find anything! We just get lost out there! Thank you!

  13. truejustice
    05/24/2013 at 9:55 pm

    I can tell you with absolute certainty :

    * Life with parole is 25 years . She will get 5 year credit for time served. She is not eligible for earned release credits. (good time). If no big offense in prison she will be released after 20 Years. The only way she will do more is if she gets into trouble (not just a an extra pen type of trouble) or if she gets transferred to psych ward (that’s a whole nother issue).

    * Natural life ( LWOP) . Is forever. There are no laws , no programs, no provisions , no legal loopholes that allow for release. The only way she will get out is if her sentence is commuted or pardoned by the governor, or a new law is enacted (that is retroactive). ** our governor did lessen the sentence of the longest serving female inmate in the United states (to just below what she had already served) – so her release is Not impossible**

    * Yes there is a big movement to take DP off the books in AZ. IMO AZ will be one of the last states in the union to remove the DP.

    Arizona also does not have a parole board. (except for inmates sentenced under laws prior to change) . There are 2 programs that allow non-violent criminals 90 days early release. (so max 180 days). These programs are only available to non-violent offenders.

    I had a family member in azdoc , and I also worked with a group of people including a state senator in support of a bill regarding Arizona sentencing guidelines changes.

    • ringadingding
      05/24/2013 at 10:01 pm

      Thank you truejustice. Does no parole board mean what I think it means? Automatic parole for those whose sentence allows for parole, unless the inmate has done something egregious? In other words, a family has no one to go before to block a parole?

      • truejustice
        05/24/2013 at 10:10 pm

        Yes, no board to “check’ that the inmate has been reformed , and no voice for victims or families.

      • NancyB
        05/24/2013 at 10:23 pm

        I’m confused. Remember when MMD posted that video she posted awhile back of Juan speaking at some criminal’s parole hearing so that there would be no chance for him to be released???

      • truejustice
        05/25/2013 at 4:32 pm

        Nancy, Yeah I think that confused a lot of people. Wilmot did object -“misrepresents the law”. I think that is also why the judge brought the jury back in to clarify the jury instruction on life vrs life without parole. I think it was them that jm basically said there are ways around that (most likely referring to governor has reduced a lwop sentence allowing release in recent past) and that laws can change.

    • 05/24/2013 at 10:18 pm

      Thanks for the correct info.. I am upset to think of her doing just 20 years. At least the rest of her natural life in a tiny cell for 23 hours a day sounds good.. DP sounds better.. That juror has the hots for her… What an a**hole.. Too bad they couldn’t weed out the old pervert

      • truejustice
        05/25/2013 at 4:35 pm

        I agree . I will never understand how life with parole is only 25 years. I think it should be more like 50.

    • SeniorMoments
      05/24/2013 at 11:03 pm

      Thank you for this! This was myunderstanding, but so many things have been said that I wasn’t sure of ANYTHIING!

  14. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/24/2013 at 10:09 pm

    Oh my God. Spent the last hour reading you all. I had notes from comments and ended up linking to another beaut when Lisa and HJ sent me to the Angela Sampson interview.Came back and see all the comments about the foreman. His snippet originally gave me the feeling he saw her as a “girl”. These other comments I’m reading stun me. I mean, I always thought the fore”person” would be fairly well put together upstairs.

    The other thing-aside from Judge Eggshell’s strange and goofy behavior -she screwed up instructions, then directed them at the wrong time – is that the -( playing Monday morning QB), the State shouldn’t have added the stupid felony-murder charge. That necessitated the inclusion of more options and confusion, I think. I mean I tried a few times to tell someone else, in detail ,what the voting meant in the guilt phase, and after awhile I didnt have a clue myself. AZ’s need to use the death penalty so much that they call another jury just for that purpose strikes me as more vengeful .. NancyB yesterdays post got it right. If people dont understand the law and the facts, what are they doing judging them?

  15. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/24/2013 at 10:14 pm

    I also think the original jury should make the call. They should be forced to . They already made two calls. It should have been either DP or LWOP and thats it, It was a first degree murder case with aggravating circumstances. You guys judged it. Now decide the punchment.. I bet the whole idea of 2 trials and more juries was offered by lawyers as another state run welfare program for the profession.

    • Lisa M
      05/24/2013 at 10:35 pm

      These sentencing guidelines are pretty nuts. Why does the jury have no say about LWOP? It doesn’t make sense. Maybe they would have compromised on an LWOP sentence. It’s just strange the way it’s set up. I agree any verdict would have been better than this. Do u guys think the judge would have given LWOP?

      • Jill
        05/24/2013 at 10:58 pm

        I know what you mean…how can they have such a huge decision such as life or death, but they can’t have a say about lwop or life with parole?

      • Anonymous
        05/25/2013 at 7:03 am

        I agree. That’s the scary part reading that judge. She bent over backward for the DT. She seemed so damned wishy- washy…..would she give her Natural Life? Because JA should NOT ever be allowed to get out!

  16. NancyB
    05/24/2013 at 10:15 pm

    I just listened to Inside Edition and I am soooo confused listening to this man.

    Jody is innocent until proven guilty — WTF is he talking about? She ADMITTED that she did it in her testimony.

    He claims that “she was a 100% “normal” young lady prior to Travis” —Ohhh who does that sound like? I think that he listened to Darryl’s interview. I really do. Was he ASLEEP during the prosecution’s case?

    The 15 y/o JA so pissed over being grounded for staying out all night that she quits school and moves in to a shack with a boyfriend. The one that kicks dogs. The one that goes after her brother with a baseball bat. The one that travels a hundred miles to confront Matt McCartney’s new girlfriend. The one that gets boob jobs while her house is going into foreclosure. Is that the normal young lady that he’s talking about? The one that ALV says that punches holes in walls& breaks down doors. Ohhhh.

    This man is NOT normal at all. Not sure what deranged planet this cueball is from. Please will one of the other 8 talk now and put this man on blast. I would be livid if I was on a jury with him and he caused me to not be able to render the ONLY just verdict that the law calls for and the court had ALREADY PROVEN.

    Juan is soooooo lucky he got FIRST degree murder out of this jury. The way this guy is talking he reminds me of a dirty old man who has a thing for Jodi, i don’t know how he agreed to convict her of first degree murder. Thank God they did that part RIGHT!!!!!

    Zevakos replied, “Yeah, I’d really like to talk to Jodi. But I’d like to ask her the questions that about what really happened?”

    What? Who does this guy think he is? If Det Flores couldn’t break her he thinks that he can? This man is a full blooming idiot.

    “Now the penalty phase will have to be done all over again with another jury”. Bill Zevakos says finding another impartial jury will be almost impossible.
    “I just think it’s going to be brutally difficult and quite frankly i don’t think it’s fair.”

    LOLOLOLOL What does he mean about finding ANOTHER impartial jury? He was anything but an impartial juror!

    He has the nerve to complain about the way JA’s been treated! Really? That she’s been crucified in the court of public opinion. I can’t stand to listen to this tripe.

    • ringadingding
      05/24/2013 at 10:22 pm

      More and more I think this is why juror 8 felt so bad about being discharged. He knew this might happen. You can’t spend that many months with people in a small room and not have them figured out for the most part.

      • NancyB
        05/24/2013 at 10:28 pm

        You nailed it,

  17. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/24/2013 at 10:16 pm

    ringadingding :
    I guess we can now see how the mitigation specialist helped out.

    this and the smitten one made my read a better one. 🙂

    • ringadingding
      05/24/2013 at 10:25 pm


  18. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/24/2013 at 10:20 pm

    “Juan is soooooo lucky he got FIRST degree murder out of this jury. The way this guy is talking he reminds me of a dirty old man who has a thing for Jodi, i don’t know how he agreed to convict her of first degree murder. Thank God they did that part RIGHT!!!!!
    Zevakos replied, “Yeah, I’d really like to talk to Jodi. But I’d like to ask her the questions that about what really happened?”

    Jesus. As I said many time, imagine the defendant as a Mexican illegal with a mustache and a mohawk; I bet he’d love to talk and “find out”. Christ.
    NancyB-we on the same wave length on this topic again.

    • ringadingding
      05/24/2013 at 10:24 pm

      They should set up an interview for him…would love to have that on tape.

    • NancyB
      05/24/2013 at 10:30 pm

      Thank goodness for this blog!!! I’d be going absolutely bonkers if I didn’t have all of you to commiserate with and so I know that I’m not alone is a huge relief. 🙂

    • ringadingding
      05/24/2013 at 10:32 pm

      Maybe he thought First Degree meant hot hot hot.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/24/2013 at 10:37 pm


      • NancyB
        05/24/2013 at 11:35 pm

        ringding you really are sooo funny! 🙂

  19. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/24/2013 at 10:23 pm

    What made the other 11 people think that this chap could lead them through the intricacies of the case or the dynamics of group co-operation?

    • Lisa M
      05/24/2013 at 10:26 pm

      I’m curious. We still haven’t heard from the first juror who was forced off the jury by the defense. Wonder what she thinks of the verdict. She’s been keeping a low profile

      • ringadingding
        05/24/2013 at 10:30 pm

        I’ve wondered that, too. Maybe it’s a good sign that she’s being cautious.

    • NancyB
      05/24/2013 at 10:34 pm

      You have me uncontrollably giggling. I sure wish Syn were to dissect this fool.People like Jodi and this juror live their entire lives irritating the dogchit out of everyone and expecting no one to call them on it cause if you do… verbal abuse/hater pffft. I feel for the eight that voted death and now have to sit back and let this jackwagon presume to speak for them.

    • truejustice
      05/25/2013 at 4:38 pm

      That is what I was wondering .

  20. tamara
    05/24/2013 at 10:26 pm

    Yes yes yes!!!

  21. Family of Law
    05/24/2013 at 10:31 pm

    In my disgust and outrage, I have called all four of my attorney brothers, and have talked their ears off! My second eldest brother was a prosecutor in Michigan for many years, he offered the greatest insights. He has not followed this case, but I gave him an extensive mini course. (my guess is, he’ll be spending his night on You Tube!). He said two very important things to remember are:
    1. She has been found GUILTY of 1st degree, premeditated murder- And the crime was found to be “especially cruel and heinous”. No penalty retrial will do anything to ever change that fact. So, regardless of the penalty phase ending in a mistrial, the proceedings will begin with these two guilty verdicts as a starting point. Therefore, if the State proceeds with a retrial, vs. a plea deal, after the voir dire, jurors will begin the trial knowing that SHE IS a convicted MURDERER, they will not have to presume her innocence ever. (I am not explaining this as well as he did!!!!)
    2. If the State proceeds with a retrial, the State and the Defense will have in depth knowledge of “why” the jury failed to exact a unanimous verdict, he cautioned that the Defense will have an upper hand due to this, given that the new jury will not have as full of a picture as the previous jurors (no benefit of watching her lie day after day on the stand for 18 days, etc) But, the State will have things on their side as well, Juan will most likely bring into evidence her post verdict FOX interview, as well as her media blitz during the jury deliberation.

    He also reminded me of this, JA committed murder in a State that is widely considered to be in the top 3 for the WORST States to be incarcerated in a maximum security prison. He said that it’s very likely she won’t survive long enough to get parole. My brother was always very good with his closing arguments, his close to our conversation, “Don’t worry your pretty little head, no matter what happens, that bitch is fu@ked”

    • ringadingding
      05/24/2013 at 10:40 pm

      Yay for you and your smart brother! This makes it very clear where the risks and benefits lie. I’m now wondering if she was crying over the hung jury because she’d burned her biscuits at Estrella, thinking her time there would be short. She strikes me as the sort who would piss people off on purpose if she wasn’t going to see them again. A hung jury means she has to stew in whatever sh*t she stirred.

      • Family of Law
        05/24/2013 at 10:50 pm

        Lol! “burned her bisquits”!!!! Maybe that’s why we saw ‘actual tears’!

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/24/2013 at 10:41 pm

      Hahhaha Hug in thought to your bro! And you did well in the summary. By writing it, you probably did better. Because according to an expert I know, Ms. LaToilette, someone can tell MORE from reading something than actually talking with someone.

    • CC ...
      05/24/2013 at 10:41 pm

      “That bitch is fu@ked.”

      I love your brother. 🙂

      Thank you, FOL

    • janeto
      05/24/2013 at 10:50 pm

      FOL, you sure made me feel better! Especially the last sentence!! Thank u & your brothers for the great info!!!!!!! 😀

    • Debbie
      05/24/2013 at 10:51 pm

      You made my night FOL! Maybe we should let that mouthy juror keep speaking. The more Juan knows the better. Now that I think about it, he related to Jodi because he is a media whore just like her!

      • janeto
        05/24/2013 at 11:11 pm

        Sounds like u r spot on with that one!!

    • Chrissie A
      05/24/2013 at 11:51 pm

      Thanks FOL, that’s a great insight! 😛

    • Douglme
      05/25/2013 at 1:29 am

      Well that is refreshing! Thank your brother for his insight and advise. I have been finding it very difficult to accept what the jurors did not do and just feeling sick for the Alexander Family. I cannot for the life of me figure out where this Zevakos is coming from, does he really believe Jodi is going to tell him what happened that day??? I don’t think so….

    • Shirley from Vancouver
      05/25/2013 at 1:36 am

      there is a video on you tube on Perryville Penitentiary, the gals in there won’t put up with her BS, their favorite weapon in there is called “a lock in a sock”. I will never watch another trial again, I’m starting to think the jury system sucks and simply does not work, Robert Blake, OJ, Casey Anthony, huge f-ck ups, i’ve lost my faith in the jury system

    • 05/25/2013 at 2:50 am

      ya well FoL gotta say I like that he confirms what I was thinking along the lines of 1 and 2 but would prefer Team Jodi had NO extra advantages…. but most importantly I’m very impressed by:

      “Don;t worry your pretty little head, no matter what happens, that bitch is Fu@ked” let’s hope those words are truly prophetic!

    • GN5020
      05/25/2013 at 8:22 am

      Thank you FOL. Your brother’s points are what I have focused on since the non-verdict. She didn’t get 2nd Degree or Manslaughter – the next jury starts with 1st Degree Premeditated with Extreme Cruelty. Yes, both sides start with more insight into what “worked” on the first jury, and we don’t know if the second will include buffoons like the foreman, but worse case, it goes back to the judge and I think she will say LWOP. JA’s life will be hell from now on.

  22. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/24/2013 at 10:35 pm

    Capt. Bubbs! “Ready for Operation Survivor. Support covert acts to mark “snitch” on a certain prisoner’s wardrobe. Especially if such prisoner is within 100 years of Ms. Angela Sampson. ANNA, so good to see you again! Soothing words, as well as coherent sentences. Bravo! Jill& daughter, so glad you talk to each other as fellow people; Pamela, your take on gender hits it out of the park.Schaeffer and jad, always good to read, CC’s hens, a toast to you. dpfor– Um…with the homework, MMD’s dog ate it. OK. I guess something as small as that could be eaten rather quickly. I ‘ll buy it.Bless Mikee D.He tried to divert us,How sweet.

    • Jill
      05/24/2013 at 10:43 pm

      Ty Robert!

    • NancyB
      05/24/2013 at 10:50 pm


    • ringadingding
      05/24/2013 at 11:17 pm

      Oh my gawd…LOL. I bet Ms. Sampson and her sisters have a program of their own they’d like to implement.

    • Anna
      05/24/2013 at 11:33 pm

      Dude Robert, I can’t thank you enough for saying “coherent sentences”. Think manic anna is starting to shut the front door!!! 🙂 How’s your wife, btw? lol

      • Anna
        05/24/2013 at 11:35 pm

        oh wait, that was directed toward(s) me wasn’t it? ack

  23. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/24/2013 at 10:45 pm

    hey FOL-call your brother and get a synopsis of the thinking behind adding on “felony murder” and how that complicated the case and the punchment phase. You won’t know as much as us, after you relay it to us, when we read it, but thats okay, we’ll keep you up to date.

    • NancyB
      05/24/2013 at 10:46 pm

      Robert, in retrospect, you couldn’t be more correct that it complicated things in a significant way.

    • janeto
      05/24/2013 at 11:03 pm

      Hi Robert!! I sure want to know that too! Probably really put a kink in deliberations, & confusion

    • Family of Law
      05/24/2013 at 11:09 pm

      Robert!!!!!! I have attended the school of Doncahis and Syntara, not LaLa!
      I just texted him to see see of he’s watched any of the interrogation vids and the croaker queen links for Juan’s guilt phase closing arguments- he’s watching interrogation vid 8 right now. (I told him, “the 1st taste is free”, if I know him, he will become addicted!). I did talk with him about the addition of felony murder during our earlier call, he thought it was a great add, and didn’t see it as a complication- he also felt that it proved a good strategy given that 7 jurors found her guilty of both felony and premeditated. He may agree to “punchment” after he learns more, but his initial take was that it was an excellent charge.

      • janeto
        05/24/2013 at 11:16 pm

        Sweet! Keep it coming FOL! 🙂

      • ringadingding
        05/24/2013 at 11:18 pm

        Good intel, FOL!

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/24/2013 at 11:25 pm

        well maybe if he gets addicted he may have a different view. What were the reasons for adding felony? To insure they get a unanimous on pre-med?All based on the gun? I mean how did that not complicate the discussion during guilt and punishment phase? I always felt the facts contradicted each other rather than supported each other.(if “stealing” Travis’ gun was the felony).
        When WIS gets on, she may have a take since she knows the case so well. What were the trade-offs for including or excluding it? Did the idea of confusing things play a role? Was it necessary? Even the Juanster – who I adore -was affected by the nuances I think. His closing lacked the clarity and narrative of his others. He’s mentioning parole and death in the same paragraphs. It wasn’t this or that; it was this or that or maybe that. I also think a part of him held back. He did his job. He wanted the jury to do theirs.

      • ringadingding
        05/24/2013 at 11:34 pm

        I think the addition of felony murder might have been a good idea because it would force anyone who believed her cockamamie story about the gun in the closet to render a 1st degree verdict. They could even vote for pre-med under that scenario because it doesn’t have to be more more than a moment, as long as the act is intended to kill. It would also work if someone felt she lied about the gun, but took the knife belonging to him (which she said was already in the house).

      • Family of Law
        05/24/2013 at 11:43 pm

        I believe the addition of Felony murder was to ensure all avenues of premeditation were blanketed. Meaning, that whether they believed she took Gramps gun, or used Travis’s.. Quite frankly,mi loved it when I initially heard, it was a way to use her lie to bite her in the arse.

      • HJ Madison
        05/25/2013 at 12:45 am

        Robert exits Rotterdam :
        well maybe if he gets addicted he may have a different view. What were the reasons for adding felony? To insure they get a unanimous on pre-med?All based on the gun? I mean how did that not complicate the discussion during guilt and punishment phase? I always felt the facts contradicted each other rather than supported each other.(if “stealing” Travis’ gun was the felony).
        When WIS gets on, she may have a take since she knows the case so well. What were the trade-offs for including or excluding it? Did the idea of confusing things play a role? Was it necessary? ……. edited for space, currently at #96

        ReR: So many posts to go thru …. the felony murder got added strictly to cover Juan in case someone did not believe she premeditated. His theory was she stole the GP’s gun as part of the premeditation. If someone did not believe the premeditation, then they had to believe she stole TA’s gun when she left the house. The gun came from somewhere. The strategy seemed so good because it nearly ensured a 1st degree conviction. I thought that because all 12 believed in premed, the judge would only instruct the jury on Death or LWOP. Had this happened I think we may have had a verdict. The jury did not trust the judge to give LWOP and so they gave up.

    • GN5020
      05/25/2013 at 8:27 am

      I liked having both premeditated and felony because it brought the juror to 1st degree whether they believed the gun story or not. We might not like that the felony murder charge brought in the option of LWP, but we would all be much sicker if the lack of it led to the jury to choose 2nd degree or manslaughter. Let’s celebrate the 1st degree guilty verdict and support the family through to the end of this depraved circus.

  24. NancyB
    05/24/2013 at 10:45 pm

    Thank you FOL!!!! This makes a lot of sense. Wonderful info that your Bro came up with! With the new jury they won’t have to listen to 18 days of anal this, suck that and erect penis pictures and i bent over that way, blah blah blah.

    They will NOT have to listen to the lies of Dr Goofy or La La on the stand for nearly a full month. Juan can use ALL of her recent videos and I’m so glad that the family is in support of doing a 2nd round.

    It would have bothered me for the rest of my entire life that this evil 3 whole wonder was able to DUPE an entire jury and court of law through nothing but TOTAL LIES while concentrating on TRASHING the victim with the most heinous accusations possible. That sets a horrible precedent and I could not bear to hear her talking to herself in her 12X7 cell saying “I still beat ya”

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/24/2013 at 10:50 pm

      so this jury can hear of the changed strategy? the ninjas and the pedophile letters and the interviews before and after ? Also, did family release that info? Did they make that call? Thought it was the State to make that call later.

      • NancyB
        05/24/2013 at 11:29 pm

        The state does make the final decision but it is made in conjunction with the family and their preference is given strong weight. Very close family friends, Chris Hughes and Darryl Hall have been on HLN stating that the family will not stop until they have no options left to hopefully get a DP verdict. They had been so hopeful that they all could have visited Travis’ grave this weekend to tell him that they had fought the good fight and that JA got the ultimate penalty. Now they said they will visit his grave and tell him that they are very close and within a few months that hopefully they will be successful in speaking out for him. I’ve paraphrased but this was essentially the message from them.

    • Family of Law
      05/24/2013 at 11:34 pm

      Helllooooo Nance!!! Yes, the new jury (hope there is one!) will likely be spared the astroglide, anal, and sheared beave pics, ad nauseum! lol!!!! It’s also likely they will not have to endure Wurmi!

      She may have duped 4 jurors, but 8 clearly wanted her as dead as we do.

      Nobody attack me, please. But what bothers me the MOST about this trial, is not the penalty phase mistrial. What makes me ENRAGED, is that a DEAD MAN was put on trial! The worst thing a human being can be wrongly accused of is (IMO) is a pedophile! The fact that it was EVER ALLOWED to come into trial without evidence is SO WRONG! It was allowed to be submitted in a court of law, because he said on a (blackmail) audio, “You sound like a 12 year old girl having her 1st orgasm”- WTF? Make up your mind Jodes, does he like little girls, or little under-roo clad boys? Pedophiles are not known to have preferences for both sexes. So yes, this is a DANGEROUS precedent!

      She will know she LOST, after one week in Perryville.

      • NancyB
        05/25/2013 at 1:56 am

        you have identified the heart and soul of my irate fury over this cynical outcome.

      • GN5020
        05/25/2013 at 8:37 am

        I agree, and she continued to include that in her interview 20 minutes after the verdict. She murdered him 3 different ways and then used the trial to assassinate his character to the world in front of his family. The penalty phase retrial is not supposed to “retry” the guilt of the case, but only focus on mitigation, but hopefully JM can show her evil nature by doing that when all other evidence and friends negate pedophilia. I think she encouraged Travis to “talk dirty” and taped lots of phone calls, only finally keeping the one that she could skew to fit her blackmail scenario when he mentioned “you sound like a 12-year old girl having her first orgasm.” Who knows, considering the little girl voice she was using, she may have told him she had a fantasy that she was young again and he made her so hot that she had her first orgasm while masturbating. That’s not pedophilia.

  25. CC ...
    05/24/2013 at 10:48 pm

    How did this lecherous imbecile get to be jury foreman is what I would like to know…

    • ringadingding
      05/24/2013 at 11:36 pm

      He said, “Look! It’s Jodi!” and pointed to the door while he scribbled his name on the form. (Sorry. It’s all I’ve got. I’m just as stumped as you are.)

    • Ginger
      05/25/2013 at 1:37 pm

      The more this guy talks the madder you get!

      • 05/25/2013 at 1:47 pm

        I haven’t even seen his interviews … just a snippet on GMA yesterday. Apparently he is on a freakin’ media tour. I’ll bet his next project is a book. The title of which SHOULD be “How the Evil Succubus Deluded Me” and then give all the proceeds to the Alexander family.

        Yeah right, who am I kidding! He’s fantasizing about her as I type. Pffffffft

  26. NancyB
    05/24/2013 at 10:49 pm

    In the last 5 re-do’s in AZ of the penalty phase, the prosecution has been successful in 3 cases and got Death Penalty verdicts!!!

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/24/2013 at 10:51 pm

      it sounds creepy though, no? I mean a different group? Whole thing sounds like a complex bullshit law meant to advance things to do rather than serve justice or the people.

      • NancyB
        05/24/2013 at 11:23 pm

        Why yes it does Robert – but of course. The entire system has become beyond flawed to my way of thinking.

    • Lisa M
      05/24/2013 at 10:55 pm

      Yeah but what happened in the other two? I’m happy that’s the case but I’m not crazy about those odds. At least they’re higher than 50/50.

    • Jill
      05/24/2013 at 10:55 pm

      Do u happen to know any stats on how many DP cases get overturned? Would that b a possibility if she got DP? And don’t know what overturned means? Would she go free?

    • janeto
      05/24/2013 at 10:57 pm

      Was any of those JM’s cases?

      • NancyB
        05/24/2013 at 11:03 pm

        That I am not sure of.

  27. Jay
    05/24/2013 at 10:55 pm

    donchais :
    LWOP isn’t what it sounds…she could be out after serving 25 years. She has served 5 already, which means she’d be out in 20…age 52. The law is the law in AZ. I have serious doubts she will get what she deserves.

    Don’t worry, if she gets LWOP in Arizona, she’ll die in custody, and never see a day of freedom again.

    Death in Prison is a Certain Sentence: Prisoners are not Released Early

    “No one sentenced to life without parole has ever been released on parole, in California or in any other state. Prisoners sentenced to LWOP actually remain in prison for the rest of their lives and die in prison.”

    At this stage the only way she gets a lesser sentence is if a new jury hangs again on the penalty phase, and the judge who then will proscribe the sentence doesn’t give her LWOP – which would be political suicide for her as she is an elected official

    The only way Arias gets out early, is if Arizona lawmakers retroactively change the LWOP law, never gonna happen in conservative Arizona.

    And in Arizona the Death Penalty is death in name only for women. There hasn’t been a woman executed in Arizona in the last 80 years, that in 1930 when they hung Eva Duhan and the rope decapitated her in front of all the people assembled to witness the execution.

    If Arias gets the death penalty she’ll be on Death Row 25 or 30 years or longer. Its doubtful the family would ever see her executed. Where’s the closure for the family there? And the rate for death penalty retrials on appeal is close to 30%. What kind of emotional pain will they suffer if they have to go through another trial, with the possibility of her going free?

    The best solution for everyone is a plea bargain for life without parole. The state could try to negotiate a no appeals guarantee, though I doubt Arias will accept it – but any appeal would have to come from a pro bono law firm, and non death penalty appeals have a much lower chance of gaining traction in the courts. Which means less aggravation for the Alexander family in the future.

    • GN5020
      05/25/2013 at 8:40 am

      I don’t know if JM or the family will want to offer a plea, but Mz Thang isn’t going to accept a plea. From her media blitz, she likes the attention and won’t go quietly into the night. Without another trial or appeal to work on in her cell, what is she going to focus on — growing hair?

  28. NancyB
    05/24/2013 at 11:03 pm

    I think I figured out why the pos was crying in court – she realized that she will *have* to get up on the stand and testify this time instead of BS power point of lies allocution because IF she doesn’t testify she will have NO way to introduce the entire pack of lies about DV & her song and dance trashing Travis. Not only will she again face Juan on cross BUT she has no effing idea of ALL the lies that she told and HOW will she keep all of her stories straight from the original Guilt Phase of the trial???? Juan will have the entire trial transcript and can impeach her over and over and over…

    Also, they will HAVE to put on mitigation witnesses this time. They will have to and who in the world will they use? All the same ineffective choices of PP, Mom, Darryl, Donoman that Juan can impeach each and every one of them on cross.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/24/2013 at 11:14 pm

      all the more reason that the jury should have been kept till they came to a decision. I mean that process has worked far longer than admonitions not to look at tv.

      • NancyB
        05/24/2013 at 11:19 pm

        I do NOT understand why Stephens did not re-direct them one more time. The other inexplicable thing is why is this foreman telling the media that he was so shocked that there was no verdict???? WTF was he talking about???

      • ringadingding
        05/24/2013 at 11:26 pm

        I’ve been thinking about that, Nancy, and I think he was shocked that it was characterized as a mistrial, which sounds much more effed up than a non-verdict.

    • ringadingding
      05/24/2013 at 11:25 pm

      Good point, Nancy. Although there’s nothing a good case of “I can’t think straight when men like you and Travis are mean to me” can’t handle. Juan’s going to have to take a different approach with her, maybe? Plus, she now has to pretend she agrees with Doc Janeen about having BPD, which would be enough to make her weep.

      • NancyB
        05/25/2013 at 2:07 am

        yes you are correct. more mine fields that I hadn’t thought of.

      • GN5020
        05/25/2013 at 8:45 am

        I think we will see BPD front and center in her mitigation factors. However, death row is rife with personality disorders — actually it would be hard to find a serial killer without one — so that knife cuts both ways. A psychiatrist I know describes BPD patients as “sponges with thorns”. At least Nurmi and Willmott will have to deal with that for another year.

  29. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/24/2013 at 11:12 pm

    NancyB :
    I’m confused. Remember when MMD posted that video she posted awhile back of Juan speaking at some criminal’s parole hearing so that there would be no chance for him to be /released???

    I thought that was Juan before a clemency board that one goes to as the very, final, last, no-more appeal try. They voted 5 to 0 to deny a recommendation to the governor for clemency.
    The guy was executed a few days later. He had been on death row for 23 years. Thats when I posted parts of an article that expressed the 23 years as the ‘cruel and unusual’ punishment, not the death itself.

    • NancyB
      05/24/2013 at 11:17 pm

      Yes, Robert! Thanks – you are correct, that is what it was!

    • NancyB
      05/24/2013 at 11:21 pm

      Ohh, I will have to hunt up that article! I so agree that “the 23 years as the ‘cruel and unusual’ punishment, not the death itself.

  30. NancyB
    05/24/2013 at 11:16 pm


    Good article on Dim Darryl. Oh and speaking of him…I have NEVER believed that the erect penis picture was of Travis. These were the pics that were on Jodi’s “lost” phone – the one that miraculously re-appeared (her aunt supposedly found it in the Grandpa’s car) in 2011, when her DV defense was coming together.

    The fingers, and nail beds of this penis person look absolutely NOTHING like Travis’ fingers or nail beds. Because Darryl refused to be on video during his court testimony, the camera was strictly focused solely on his hands, fingers and nail beds throughout his entire testimony. And HIS fingers and nails very closely resemble the erect penis person’s. Very distinctive fingers and nail beds that Darryl has. I can’t remember, did all of us discuss this at the time?

    • janeto
      05/24/2013 at 11:23 pm

      I for one did not see the penis picture.would like to see for myself

      • janeto
        05/24/2013 at 11:25 pm

        Now don’t go ribbing on me yet…..just to see what u see about the fingernails.

      • Anna
        05/24/2013 at 11:44 pm

        hey janeto, sorry to interrupt on such a specific note, but hey anyways….hope all’s as well as possible, ya know? 🙂

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/24/2013 at 11:32 pm

      never thought it was Travis. agree with you. remember thinking fingers were not T’s.

    • 05/25/2013 at 12:20 am

      This issue was obviously before I was involved. Don’t need to see but what was this all about.

      • NancyB
        05/25/2013 at 2:11 am

        Just more trashing of Travis. JA claimed that he sent those 3 pics to her. Nurmi used those 2 pics in the penalty phase and I then reviewed Darryl’s testimony and there is NO doubt in my mind.

      • 05/25/2013 at 2:40 am

        Poor court reporter as he relives it all in preparing the transcript

    • GN5020
      05/25/2013 at 8:50 am

      Perhaps a bit indelicate, but Deanna Reid could confirm or deny the identity of the penis photo.

  31. ringadingding
    05/24/2013 at 11:27 pm

    On the upside, we get to see Dr. Dreamy again.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/24/2013 at 11:33 pm

      notice how soon after talk of penis this comment popped up?

      • ringadingding
        05/24/2013 at 11:37 pm

        STOP!!!! Ahahahaha

  32. Janna
    05/24/2013 at 11:47 pm

    After a long busy day of work, I had to come get my sandbox therapy for the day. Like so many of you, I’m in a deep confusing funk about this hung jury situation. It’s mind boggling really. ONE THIRD of these jurors couldn’t vote the DP sentence. Conundrum!

    In the wee hours of morning when most of you had already gone to sleep, I woke up with troubling thoughts/mixed feelings about the trial on my mind and came straight to the sandbox. Thankfully Captain Bubbles was here so I hopped right on my soapbox and unleashed some crapulent one-sided rant into the sandbox.

    I feel relieved that CMJA is locked up in a solitary cell 23 hours a day and hope the Alexander family can find comfort in the first degree premeditated murder conviction with extreme cruelty. This is a VICTORY!

    With a DP sentence it seems this entangled case will be a never ending story for all parties and the odds of execution are slim. Wouldn’t LWOP bring a meaningful conclusion to this hot mess of a trial and give the Alexander a pathway to healing???????

    I’m so thankful for everyone here. You’re my Arias Trial support & comfort group. Hope ya’ll treat yourself to a jumbo dose of holiday weekend pampering. I plan to decompress with movies and family time and be ready to regroup with all my sandbox buddies next week.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/25/2013 at 12:12 am

      good rant janna. I also think I recall you busy as a bee on the phone to AZ Yeah!

      • Janna
        05/25/2013 at 12:17 am

        Yes Robert from Nottingham (grin). Captain Bubbles lit my fire. Janna stayed busy making phone calls and sending emails to Maricopa County officials and various State of Arizona departments for the better part of a day.

  33. Anna
    05/24/2013 at 11:49 pm

    OKAY-BE….i’m so ill informed that i’m going to go and do something else….you people figure this out and let me know ok? Just Kidding….thank you all for your insight and most of all:

    Please everybody breathe because it is not over yet, and she’s in a 23 hr….oh, you people know all that…

    love you all ~Anna

    • NancyB
      05/25/2013 at 2:14 am

      love you too sweet Anna!!!

  34. NancyB
    05/24/2013 at 11:50 pm

    Oh and back to the foreman – He said something like JA was not Charles Manson, making some reference that the slaughter of Travis was not the worst of the worst. The real question to him that I’d ask is, if Jodi looked like Charles Manson, would you have had any problem sentencing her to death. Her crime was so horrible, she did this with her own hands, she murdered him three times over. Charles Manson never killed anyone, others killed for him. Not Jodi, she did it all by herself. And you think this is a person above the death penalty. The devil knows how to wear many masks. The evil showed itself, but you must have been asleep. That’s what I’d like to tell this bonehead.

    I HATE that the jury foreman bought into the lie that Travis was mentally/emotionally abusive. I HATE that when Jodi inevitably finds out that information she will get such pleasure knowing that she convinced someone Travis was a bad person. I HATE that she will run with that information in the next penalty phase and SCREAM about the mental abuse. But I HATE even more that the Alexander family will feel that jodi won that small victory, and part of Travis’ memory is tarnished by a stooopid juror who BELIEVED ARIAS!

    • Debbie
      05/25/2013 at 12:18 am

      Nancy this has been bothering me all day since I heard about his comments. I felt some solace in that she was convicted of murder and no one believed her abuse claims. I felt sure that her claims would now have to stop and Travis’s family could not be taunted any more about this. I pray that organizations that support DV victims disavow her publicly. This juror is not helping the Alexander family. To me, he is taunting them now and adding to their pain. I posted before to let him run his mouth but now I wish he would stop. How can he witness Stephen’s and Samantha’s impact statement and then go out and say these things.

      • NancyB
        05/25/2013 at 2:20 am

        You are so right. This mental midget has been saying that he considered LaLa’s testimony as very important. He believed her lies without any substantive “real” evidence to corroborate.

    • Jo
      05/25/2013 at 12:43 am

      She seems to have a power that only a succubus could have. I agree with you NancyB, she is evil-incarnate. Freaky scary. And the more this man opens his mouth, he is just not making any sense to me.

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 1:00 am

      That foreman spoke for FOUR, the jurors I want to hear from are the 8 that wanted DP- this foreman is on his PR tour making it sound like the “we thought, we felt”, BS- clearly there were 8 others in another frame of mind.

      Remarkably, I have quite a few friends that believe the DP is only for terrorism and mass murderers! Then I tell them about what JA did.

      • Chrissie A
        05/25/2013 at 3:40 am

        FOL – I totally agree with you, I’m sure the other jurors are decompressing at the moment, I’m sure they are not liking his PR tour either, I wouldn’t be surprised if we hear from some of the others after the holiday weekend – I must say I am finding his behavior bizarre and questionable.

  35. HJ Madison
    05/24/2013 at 11:51 pm

    Jill :
    Do u happen to know any stats on how many DP cases get overturned? Would that b a possibility if she got DP? And don’t know what overturned means? Would she go free?

    37% of DP sentencing verdicts are overturned nationwide. That means 1 in 3 death sentences will have to be re-sentenced. In AZ, that would be just like what the Alexander’s face today, a new penalty phase, since only a jury can decide death.


    “Overturned” means that a higher court with a panel of judges found there was some type of flaw that occurred which may have caused the original sentencing body to come to a different result. In Jodi’s case, because she has admitted to killing Travis, no matter what happens regarding higher courts, she will NOT be released.

    • Jill
      05/25/2013 at 1:15 am

      Ty HJ, I was worried because upstairs (in comment #3), donchais said something like even with LWOP, wobo could b out in 20 years….I keep reading different theories on this…..

  36. HJ Madison
    05/24/2013 at 11:57 pm

    Jill :
    Do u happen to know any stats on how many DP cases get overturned? Would that b a possibility if she got DP? And don’t know what overturned means? Would she go free?

    Crum, I ended up in moderation (sorry Donchais!). This answer will appear again. For now I will seperate the provided link. SORRY!

    37% of DP sentencing verdicts are overturned nationwide. That means 1 in 3 death sentences will have to be re-sentenced. In AZ, that would be just like what the Alexander’s face today, a new penalty phase, since only a jury can decide death.

    “Overturned” means that a higher court with a panel of judges found there was some type of flaw that occurred which may have caused the original sentencing body to come to a different result. In Jodi’s case, because she has admitted to killing Travis, no matter what happens regarding higher courts, she will NOT be released.

  37. HJ Madison
    05/25/2013 at 12:23 am

    truejustice :
    I can tell you with absolute certainty :
    * Life with parole is 25 years . She will get 5 year credit for time served. She is not eligible for earned release credits. (good time). If no big offense in prison she will be released after 20 Years. The only way she will do more is if she gets into trouble (not just a an extra pen type of trouble) or if she gets transferred to psych ward (that’s a whole nother issue).
    * Natural life ( LWOP) . Is forever. ………….. I also worked with a group of people including a state senator in support of a bill regarding Arizona sentencing guidelines changes.

    edited for space, currently upstairs at #49

    Thank you TJ. This has caused so much confusion! I also want to add that ONLY a jury can recommend Death. The Judge, alone, can not sentance Death.

  38. 05/25/2013 at 12:25 am

    I would love, love for someone to write a book about ll this,not just the crime per se but all of it, incl the trial, incl a lot of the thoughts, things brought up here. It’s so involved when trying to explain to someone new and not a Lifetime movie. Ha ha how about an interactive type ebook that would take you to La La’s testiphony with a click or touch on the iPad.

    • HJ Madison
      05/25/2013 at 12:50 am

      Juan should retire and do this because he deserves to make the big bucks — like Vincent Bugliosi did with the Manson murders — also very complex.

  39. NancyB
    05/25/2013 at 12:35 am

    Ohh, another thing that continues to greatly disturb me is that Judge Stephens allowed the defense’s cut up version of the sex tape that deleted all of Jodi’s constant cuing comments to Travis and left only Travis’ dialogue. How prejudiced was that against the victim? I still can’t believe it!

    That was a shocking ruling. Prejudice toward the victim was one factor but the State is also entitled to a fair trial. Playing the words of an unavailable person with zero other audio to provide context was really disappointing. And the entire tape had already been played and Nurmi had lots of time on direct to make all the points he wanted. But, he then got to play the doctored audio/text snippets with words projected on the screen.

    Nurmi had made his argument. He also got the chance to tie it all together in his summation so I think it was so wrong to have allowed it projected on the big screen. I know the judge was bending over backwards to prevent appellate issues but I don’t understand what the grounds for appeal would be just because Nurmi didn’t get to repeat something several times and blow it up on every screen in the courtroom. I don’t know how the family survived all the filthy tactics that this defense used.

    I think the judge could have denied Nurmi’s request and there would have been no problem on appeal. Judge Stephens is a chicken. There were just soooo many daily examples of how the defense’s major strategy was to blame and make very dirty the victim. It still sickens me that so much of this was allowed. And the result is, just as many of us feared, that some lame brain jurors bought into the baseless defense indoctrination that was drummed into everyone’s heads all day long for many months.

    • Jill
      05/25/2013 at 1:18 am

      I know what u mean….and to cut off wobo’s instigating words and to put words up on the screen like the jury was deaf and needed closed captioning. …so disgusting that it got allowed again and again. Sickening!

    • HJ Madison
      05/25/2013 at 1:20 am

      Nancy, the entire tape came in during JA’s testimony. Closing argument is just that, argument. Had JM wanted to edit the tape with just Jodi egging TA on and moaning for his closing argument he could have.

      This jury found premeditation. They all believed she preplanned this and when finished she shoved him in a shower to rot and high tailed it to Utah to grind on Ryan Burns.

      This crime is nearly inexplicable. So many of us found our way here because we could not understand this woman and needed a place to vent, talk, exchange and learn. The jurors did not have the benefit of Donchais Univeristy. They were left way, way back where we were initially. Had it not been for literally HOURS of Syntara’s education and the many contributions from people who have experienced someone just like WOBO, I am sure we still would be wondering why???

      Juan said, during his opening statement, Jodi did this out of jealousy. Juan briefly asked her about it, but otherwise it never came up again. Dr. DeMarta was never able to impart a clear description of what BPD is. There was never an understanding of Hughes email — even they say they still have not read the entire exchange because they don’t have a copy. Furthermore, the words exchanged on May 26th were vicious and there was NEVER an explanation as to what prompted it. Even the Hughes say they don’t know.

      Frankly, this jury did a damn good job in convicting her of 1st degree premeditated murder. If the Judge (who stands for re-election) is smart and recognizes all 12 believed in premeditation Jodi will either receive death or LWOP. Had Jodi done this in any of 13 other states in the union, you would be celebrating! And, given the many posts today regarding Jodi’s new accomodations, she will spend he rest of her life next to Angela Simpson, who will likely kill her for sport! Frankly, given what I read today, the DP would be a gift to Jodi!

      This is not what we wanted, but it is neither a total loss!

      • Jill
        05/25/2013 at 1:32 am

        It’s just that the defense was playing dirty when they edited the tape the way they did.part….maybe Juan should have played the tape with only wobo’s words on the screen and only her voice talking filthy and moaning and it would have had an impact on the jury… showing them that depending on how you play the tape, either side sounds just as dirty and sexual.

      • HJ Madison
        05/25/2013 at 1:48 am

        Jill: I understand. They were playing dirty … just as “dirty” as Juan when he slapped the image of the slit throat without warning, when he asked the jury to pause for 2 minutes….. it is all about the show and as far as the DT goes, they were literally in fight for life, as mis-guided as that may seem.

      • Jill
        05/25/2013 at 1:55 am

        I know HJ, but It’s so hard for me not to be one-sided. I’m biased….

      • NancyB
        05/25/2013 at 2:34 am

        HJ you are one smart cookie! Thanks for reminding me of how befuddled I was prior to Donchais Univ!! You’ve sufficiently calmed me so that I can stop fretting about moot points. I’ll now concentrate on making myself a list of all the things that we know that the jurors don’t know when I get uppity. 🙂

    • Ginger
      05/25/2013 at 3:57 pm

      I agree about the tapes play it in context after hearing this foreman spout his excuses I’m just glad they got 1st degree .

  40. janice claypole
    05/25/2013 at 12:55 am

    I will continue to pray for them all. A lot of people have been praying. I believe God did answer our prayers. And she will suffer the wrath of God. Which will be worse than the needle. The needle is too painless. I wanted to share my believes. God Bless you!

    • NancyB
      05/25/2013 at 2:40 am

      Hi janice yes about the needle but check out the rose colored glasses video posted toward the beginning of this thread and you will see how painful her life will be at Perrysville in 23 hr lockdown. 🙂

  41. Janna
    05/25/2013 at 1:01 am

    Thank you ALL for helping me get through this wacky trial in Arizona. What a journey it’s been! Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Truly some amazing people here in the Donchais Sandbox.

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 1:15 am

      Well said Janna! What would we have done without Donchais and her amazing peeps??? What an amazing group!!!

      • Janna
        05/25/2013 at 1:21 am

        Hello FOL. Thanks for the reply. Many times when I’m visiting the sandbox, I feel like I’m just typing messages to myself. HAHAHAHAAAAAAA

      • Jill
        05/25/2013 at 1:42 am

        Hi Janna, I know that happens to me sometimes, but people are actually still reading them. I think.

      • Jill
        05/25/2013 at 1:43 am

        Lol. 🙂

  42. Family of Law
    05/25/2013 at 1:11 am

    I have been on the phone, laughing with my brother! He is HOOKED! He’s watched back to back interrogation and Croaker Queen vids – he hit the highlights, and skipped “the bullshit”. And just now watched the post verdict, as well as the “media blitz” vids! He was cracking me up saying all Juan needs to do is show the newly empaneled jury the footage of JA on the stand in her little girl hairdo, spider leg bangs and glasses, then say…”here she is in front of the court”, then play the “hair and makeup” JA with her swagger on, and say, “here is how she appeared just an hour after the last jury went into deliberation”! DUPED!

    • Janna
      05/25/2013 at 1:27 am

      Very funny FOL – and I think this would make a strong point for how manipulative the murdering chameleon is.

      Juan will need to be more “deliberate” and emphatic about connecting the dots. I still think he left some stuff on the table during Mitigation. Just sayin.

      • Jill
        05/25/2013 at 1:39 am

        I thought that too but everyone kept saying how he hit all the points. I hate to talk about MMD’s bf but I thought that was his weakest moments of this trial. Just between you and me, ok?

      • Family of Law
        05/25/2013 at 1:42 am

        Janna, you are never typing to yourself, this sandbox moves fast!!!! As soon as I respond to a message, I hit “post message” and whoops, the page is closed! And a whole new page is miles ahead! Post away!

        Juan’s hands were tied during his penalty phase closing due to the fact the DT pulled their mitigating witnesses, it limited what he was allowed to discuss- all part of the DT’s crafty last minute plan IMO.

      • Jill
        05/25/2013 at 1:47 am

        Sorry but it just didn’t feel like he had his usual

      • Janna
        05/25/2013 at 2:02 am

        I agree with ya Jill. Juan seemed rattled and somewhat scrambled in his delivery. I’d never seen him like this at any other time in the trial. But we all love our Juan and he may have been having an “off” day.

    • HJ Madison
      05/25/2013 at 1:42 am

      Thanks FOL and thanks to your bro! He is on it! I feel so sorry that most of these posts today have expressed sadness and anger. Gees … I am sorry too, but compared to Casey Anthony, this was such a victory and vindication for our system!

      Give those little kittens a snuggle if they will let you — I know how very independent they THINK they are at this age.

      • Family of Law
        05/25/2013 at 2:00 am

        Hi HJ! My sister in law wants to throttle me! Lol! He’s finally home for a long weekend (he’s a total workaholic), and now he’s glued to his computer!!! Not only is he extremely bright, but he is hysterically funny- so he’s had me in “giggle tears”! Now he’s “face timing me” and doing Wurmi impressions!!! Oh gaaaawd, I’ll never be able to see him (bro) the same way again!

        I was initially devestated at the hung jury, I felt sick for the Alexanders (particularly Samantha, the anguish on her face is stuck in my brain!). But you’re so right, this is in no way as tragic as the CA trial! There is a BIG victory that needs to be remembered, SHE is, and always will be, GUILTY of 1st degree murder! Wahoo!

        This jury deeply disappointed me though- they had deliberated two correct guilty verdicts, and it seemed likely that at the very least, they would be unanimous for LWOP, given that they found premedition, as well as cruel. I really think they failed to follow the “math” re: the formula to weigh mitigating factors against aggregating factors.

        Mamma loves when we visit and snuggle the kits, it gives her a needed break, they won’t give that poor girl a minutes peace! I’m anticipating them getting more and more rambunctious soon! Then the real fun starts!

    • 05/25/2013 at 1:58 am

      Hi all, I’m being a total sloth lying in bed all day Sat reading posts watching linked vids. Completely gutted. Just does not make sense aggravators v mitigators and mitigators won? Watched YouTube lunch time at work after seeing Beth K’s twitter about new penalty phase in July. Had got several work friends “hooked” too but yesterday was busy in lunchroom with some no knowledge of case and one of my loud mouth colleagues came out with “oh I’m totally against the death penalty” and wouldn’t listen to anything that made this a unique case. Just before I left before I said something I MIGHT regret she says “oh I’d rather see a rapist get death because you know they will get out and rape again. A murderer probably wouldnt murder again oh unless they were a psychopath”. ?!?!?!? Well if she’d effing listened to me she would have heard I said she was a psychopath.

      So happy to read your post FOL gives us hope that the next jury will get the real picture and WOBO will finally be the author of her own misadventure.

      • Janna
        05/25/2013 at 2:07 am


        Sounds like the aggravators v mitigators equation may have gotten lost in fognesia or perhaps their brains were scrambled when it came time for sentencing.

      • Family of Law
        05/25/2013 at 2:12 am

        Hi Essem, it sounds like you needed a sloth day! Those can be great therapy!!! Nah, don’t regret saying that, it’s the damn truth! JA free? It’s unthinkable! She would indeed kill again! She is the scariest psychopath I’ve ever seen! She and Ted Bundy would have made a darling couple!

        I’m salivating at the thought of Juan playing her Media Blitz vids, oh I hope he does!!!! How sweet it would be to see her undo herself!

    • 05/25/2013 at 2:34 am

      You also have to turn him onto Mikee D!

      • Family of Law
        05/25/2013 at 2:39 am

        Oh, yes! Thanks for the reminder! Mikee D is right up his alley!

      • 05/25/2013 at 2:42 am

        And Miss Tabalarasa !!

      • 05/25/2013 at 3:11 am

        Who is Tabalarasa?

      • 05/25/2013 at 3:48 am

        For Brightgirl, this is the first and best one I saw, there are more gems

      • 05/25/2013 at 2:06 pm

        Thank you Essem. Great one.

    • NancyB
      05/25/2013 at 2:42 am

      Your brother is brilliant!! I love the way he thinks!

    • GN5020
      05/25/2013 at 8:57 am

      I posted a similar thought earlier. JM should show the new jury the 48 Hours interview, the post-verdict interview, and the media blitz while the jury was deliberating where she was perky and “made up” and bring home the point that JA’s frumpy little-girl appearance and demeanor in the courtyard is just another lie and manipulation of the jury.

  43. C.I.
    05/25/2013 at 1:13 am

    Hi all,
    I have been reading your comments and watching links posted – I feel a bit better and agree that thank god we god a first degree from the jury considering what the foreman said. I still will pray and hope for the Alexander family.

    I have another question -and please dont get offended -Now JA has breast implants right? What happens if they need servicing – like they deflate – will the implants be taken out or will the state pay for new ones?

    • HJ Madison
      05/25/2013 at 1:36 am

      Only medical care necessary to her health and safety. They would like be removed.

      • 05/25/2013 at 1:59 am

        The great wobo would then be de-flated (edified)

    • RoundTwoDeathPenalty
      05/25/2013 at 1:42 am

      Even if JA gets the death penalty in round two by the new jury, JA won’t have to worry about the implants, since she would not be going anywhere soon, only the prison walls to occupy her. Give it a few years on death row and everything will be hanging south in no time for JA. lol

      • Jill
        05/25/2013 at 2:13 am

        Even though thats what i thought i wanted, now I’m Kind of worried about her getting dp because people are saying there’s over a one third chance that she’ll get it overturned. I think I understood that lwop can’t b overturned.

      • HJ Madison
        05/25/2013 at 2:23 am

        Jill: Love ya! But you are too worried! The DP is really, really scrutinized, because it is “forever”. But even if it is “overturned”, she will likely be sentenced that way again. This chick is gone! Say hello, Jodi, to your new bestie Angela (that should be beastie). Angela is going to kill her because Angela wants the DP bad.

    • NancyB
      05/25/2013 at 2:44 am

      It’s a good thing she’s in AZ. then. What state was it that approved sex change therapy for an inmate? Please don’t say CA.

  44. Janna
    05/25/2013 at 1:31 am

    Does anyone know or remember from a previous thread who’s collecting a list of trial information we know that the jury doesn’t know?????

    • HJ Madison
      05/25/2013 at 1:35 am

      Well, Bubble was collecting a list of lies ….

    • NancyB
      05/25/2013 at 2:46 am

      I just posted ^^ moments ago that I’m starting a list about what we know that the jury doesn’t know but now that you mention it I think it was Schaeffer who started this list. Tomr I’ll have to backtrack and see for sure. 🙂

      • Janna
        05/25/2013 at 9:57 am

        Have you posted the list? Are you wanting contributions from others?

  45. 05/25/2013 at 1:43 am

    Jury Foreman in the Jodi Arias Trial

    He SHOULD have recused himself and allowed one of the alternates to step in. He had a conflict of interest.

    We should be thankful we got a guilty premed out of this guy. Once he gave that we were always going to get the extreme cruelty factor from him.

    Somehow, he was able to see the crime for what it was BUT sadly, in isolation from her. Hence no DP.

    The moment he laid eyes on her there were two unresolved questions in his mind “How could she have done it? What drove her to it?”

    This must have been EXTREMELY frustrating for other jurors. It is unfortunate this guy was made the foreman but it is clear why he was. He is capable of very strong opinionated tunnel vision.

    He wanted that foreman role and he would not have worked well with another foreman. I bet he breathed a sigh of relief when Juror 8 was removed.. and I can see this guy being the very reason Juror 8 was out for a drink!!!! Maybe he sensed it about him, maybe he was just a little ‘off’.

    Why His “verdict”?

    He saw Jodistein as Lil Miss Perfect her persona that has worked so well for her all her life.

    This guy probably looked at her more often than any other juror and she would have been well aware of that. She would have played to that the whole 5 months. Early in the trial there were rumours she thought she had a juror “in her pocket”. This guy could have been that juror.

    Likely when it was confirmed to her juror 18 was the foreman she would have been giddy as school girl. “Jen Jen, it’s him it’s him!!”

    After the guilty first degree verdict, when she spoke of the jury “betraying” her, she could have spoken directly to him and any others like him.

    Her power point display was aimed at someone precisely like him. It was more of the “I am the girl next door” fodder and deliberately so.

    When it came to giving the DP she counted on him (and others like him) not seeing her for what she is.

    “Lil Miss Perfect must have had a reason to do this”. He could not believe she could do it, therefore in his mind Travis MUST have been driven her to it.

    He would not have seen the 48 hour documentary so he had no background of the capacity and depth of her ability to lie and manipulate. No idea how coldly vengeful she is. She is a Lucretia Borgia of this era.

    Likely he wasn’t giving DP but he also secretly didn’t want to give LWOP either – he knew the crime warranted it.

    So a “no verdict” verdict suited him perfectly. It absolved him of the responsibility while still assuring she didn’t get DP on his watch.

    If she had been a man or he had found her less ‘easy on the eye’ he would have shown no hesitation in giving DP – none whatsoever. But he couldn’t bring himself to do it.

    He SHOULD have recused himself and allowed one of the alternates to step in. He had a conflict of interest.

    He will likely never be swayed from his current stance because it is based on nothing more than his cognitive inability to integrate the notion of her doing it in cold blood.

    This is why the question remains unresolved to him. This is why he wants to get an answer from her. He needs something to help him understand….


    That WASN’T his job! This is no reason not to give someone the DP. He had a chance to ask her that when she was on the stand.. why didn’t he?

    (Question left open ended deliberately… it’s clear why.)

    • HJ Madison
      05/25/2013 at 2:00 am

      Hey Syn! So glad you weighed in! Could not agree more! He would never have recused himself because he did not see his prejudice as what it is. Further, without you giving education I think we all would be standing around wondering what the hell is up with this girl? Too many unanswered questions about why and how that “little thing” could have done this. I agree, we are damned lucky to have gotten what we did.

      The one thing to be certain to catch is the interview with Jodi’s soon to be new neighbor …. I will go find the link. OMG!! Jodi has NO CLUE what is coming!

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/25/2013 at 2:03 am

        pssst! pass it on: jodi is a snitch..

      • Jill
        05/25/2013 at 2:06 am

        Robert, I think bubble already has this covered for us! He’s up to something and I think we will hear about it on the news one day!

      • 05/25/2013 at 2:08 am

        Yeah and Jodi thinks she’s prettier and smarter than you ..

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/25/2013 at 2:12 am

        psst! pssst! over here! yeah. no. quiet! listen to me. tell your ‘sister’ Angela that we got some white trash that got to get to the garbage.

      • 05/25/2013 at 2:25 am

        Oh Robert that is just TOO funny hehehehe love it 😂

      • Family of Law
        05/25/2013 at 2:38 am

        Robert, I am wiping grapefruit juice off my iPad screen! That “psssst…..” made me nearly choke!

    • nyccowgirl
      05/25/2013 at 2:04 am

      well said syn. was waiting for you to chime in on him.

    • 05/25/2013 at 2:10 am

      Hey Syn have you flown by yet?

      • 05/25/2013 at 2:20 am

        yes dear didnt you see me waving? 😛

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 2:25 am

      Hi Syn *****waving excitedly*****

      This was so great to read! Yes, he was duped. I really resent the way he keeps saying “we felt”, “we thought….”. Yeah, well 8 OTHERS disagreed!

      I wonder if he’ll watch any of her interviews, or see any of the police interrogation vids? If he does, will he know he was duped? Or too arrogant?

      Hope you had pleasant travels! (head upstairs and see my posts re: my brother, we have have a new addict).

      • 05/25/2013 at 2:29 am

        hey FOL!! how are you!!! **waves excitedly back** will go up and have a read 🙂

      • 05/25/2013 at 3:24 am

        see comment below…. ended it with

        “unfortunately people like him are often too arrogant to ever concede they could have been wrong”

    • NancyB
      05/25/2013 at 2:48 am

      Ohhh! Good! You’re here. I missed you and I want to know WTF is with this mental midget?

      • 05/25/2013 at 3:27 am

        lala and dodgy era… no idea about personality disorders.. old school and myopic… thinks there must be an external reason she did this. – nutshell version 😀

      • ringadingding
        05/25/2013 at 9:23 am

        Oh yeah, the generational thing. You’ve got something there, for sure.

    • NancyB
      05/25/2013 at 2:49 am

      Also, Syn, have you heard from Jim? If you do please tell him he’s missed and I hope his mom is doing better, ok?

      • 05/25/2013 at 2:52 am

        No Nance not for ages actually, last I heard he was still with his mom but off to a trial he had been wanting to catch when it came up and he was unsure when he would be returning homeward

    • Schaeffer
      05/25/2013 at 3:52 am

      Lucrezia Borgia! Too funny! Ironically, the entire Borgia family figures very heavily in the study of Renaissance history, art and otherwise. At least she was universally considered beautiful.

  46. RoundTwoDeathPenalty
    05/25/2013 at 1:51 am

    QUESTION: Did we find out how the breakdown of this hung jury was? Since there was 8 men and 4 women and the jury vote was 8 for death and 4 not for death, what was the final breakdown based on gender? Thx

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/25/2013 at 1:58 am

      enquiring minds want to know,! too weird if all 4 were men,

  47. Jill
    05/25/2013 at 1:51 am

    Hi Syn! You r amazingly good! I love reading your analysis on things! We couldn’t wait to hear from u about this!

    • 05/25/2013 at 2:21 am

      thx Jill 🙂

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/25/2013 at 2:29 am

      I wonder whether an argument like this has been presented to the court by other jurors to get someone off.
      Good lecture! Hope the teaching asstshelp with the typing or something.

  48. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/25/2013 at 1:56 am

    Wow! Glad I checked back in. Caught Prof Syn’s lecture. YES!
    and Why?
    because his fantasies included wobo and him alone. He “knew” something must have happened to”the girl” and she’d ‘trust’ him with the ‘truth’

  49. HJ Madison
    05/25/2013 at 2:08 am

    Jodi’s new neighbor

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/25/2013 at 2:16 am

      she’s honest, unlike wobo; she’s racist, unlike wobo; she’s a mother, unlike wobo; and she can act on camera as well as wobo. should be a great neighborhood.

      • MMD
        05/25/2013 at 9:11 am

        Won’t life just be peachy once they get together 😀

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 2:26 am

      Lol!!!! Maybe she and Jo Jo can do each others hair? She does not seem like much of a book club gal?

    • 05/25/2013 at 2:27 am

      wow ok.. one of two things… Jodi and her will have something in common.. or this one is going to HATE Jodistein. Can you imagine Jodi going on and on and on.. and well you know.. on…. and this girl just killing her because she simply can’t stand the honky biatch on moment longer>

      THIS is exactly the person I would suggest ringing.. as per my post some days ago on how to go about getting someone to give Jodi a taste of what we would all like to see…

      Can you imagine this girl finding out about Jodi’s t-shirt? Recycling program?? teaching spanish and sign language.. yeah that’s go down real well.. not only that… Jodi’s propensity to blame everyone but herself. This girl has that chance and says.. “hell no don’t feel sorry for me I did what I did and I did it for reasons I don’t regret and why should I? and yeah I deserved the DP but hey.. they didn’t give it to me so here I am” Kinda the anti-jodistein really!

      Love it! Hope she eats aJodistein for breakfast and U don’t mean in that way!!

      • HJ Madison
        05/25/2013 at 2:32 am

        Oh I am so glad you enjoyed that! RingADing gifted us with it! This girl is going to kill Jodi! BTW, she got LWOP because she so readily pled guilty.

      • 05/25/2013 at 2:40 am

        I love her!! Just hope she “has time to kill Jodi”. Seems she is pretty busy and has to fit killing into her schedule but Jods will be a priority once she pulls some BS on this one.😈😈😈

      • 05/25/2013 at 2:42 am

        I particularly like it that she killed the snitch because of what he said…. chances are Jodistein will say something this girl doesn’t like.. I mean come on…. all that time.. and you know Jo Jo can’t keep her mouth shut!!!

    • Douglme
      05/25/2013 at 2:33 am


    • Janna
      05/25/2013 at 2:44 am

      For cryin’ out loud HJ!!!!!!! This is some very scarey stuff.

      • HJ Madison
        05/25/2013 at 2:56 am

        Hey … RingADing found out! See, all those folks whining about Jodi getting LWOP, are you kidding! And this is just one example! The whole LWOP wing is probably just as crazy. And … no air conditioning! To be honest, this makes Death Row almost seem like a pleasure.

      • Lisa M
        05/25/2013 at 9:31 am

        And another thing, in the MSNBC “Lock-Up” show she was featured in, she ruled the roost. The four other girls in the pod she was in were trying to get her approval. So she has her minions as well.

    • Chrissie A
      05/25/2013 at 4:30 am

      This woman would make mincemeat out of The Stabs in short order,

  50. HJ Madison
    05/25/2013 at 2:13 am

    RingAdingDing found that .. and I did not mean for that ugly mug to be staring at us! I just pasted the link. SORRY!

    • 05/25/2013 at 2:16 am

      Lol I actually think she is quite attractive 🙂 its her ugly mouth when it moves that ruins the picture

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/25/2013 at 2:17 am

        she looks a LOT better here than in the pics at the time; prison has been good to her.

      • HJ Madison
        05/25/2013 at 2:28 am

        Essem, did you get in on that photo of Jodi Girl, seated, while she was interviewed, with her prison stripe bottoms? Where we decided she had a cloven hoof for a foot?

      • 05/25/2013 at 2:32 am

        Yes HJ with the pretty pink socks over the deformed club foot. Who does she think she is fooling? Rhetorical question. Wearing a cream top with striped jailbird pants directing no filming them.

      • HJ Madison
        05/25/2013 at 2:36 am

        Essem, glad you caught it. I like being sure EVERYONE gets to see our pretty little Jodi, especially before her new neighbor gets a chance to literally and permanently remove her smirk!

      • Janna
        05/25/2013 at 2:49 am

        Each of us could print a copy of Jodi girl head-to-toe in her cream sweater, jailbird pants, pink socks with ankle chains and mail to her cell in Estrella Jail. Who does she think she is telling those Arizona media peeps what they can show or not show????

    • ringadingding
      05/25/2013 at 9:27 am

      HJ–thank you for embedding the video directly into the post. That is awesome!

  51. Janna
    05/25/2013 at 2:16 am

    OT …..has there ever been a coordinated/group fund-raising effort for the Alexander family by people on this blog? Just wondering.

    • 05/25/2013 at 2:18 am

      Nothing co-ordinated that I’m aware of but I’ve sent two PayPal donations and after yesterday’s debacle will continue sending more.

      • Janna
        05/25/2013 at 2:24 am

        Thanks Essem. I mailed card & contribution to an address in California. Didn’t know if it would have been ok for me indicate that I’m affiliated with CFJ and this is where I got the address.

      • 05/25/2013 at 2:28 am

        Janna that’s a good idea, I’ll reference CFJ on my next payment. PayPal provides for you to leave a message.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/25/2013 at 2:19 am

      we’ve made our own contributions along the way; donchais has been good to update. KatieCool Lady had an amazing story of a benefactor who heard of their pressures and provided a large sum. Monies left over will go to a fund with 3 or 4 offshoots.

      • Janna
        05/25/2013 at 2:26 am

        I’m not rolling in a surplus of dough but even the small amount I mailed to Alexanders gave me a sense of being helpful and supportive.

    • NancyB
      05/25/2013 at 3:17 am

      For about 6 weeks Donchais kept posting the info at the top of each thread – many of us have sent multiple donations. Now they will need us to do more. It’s cost them collectively 100’s of thousands of dollars and all their credit cards tapped out, savings gone. I had posted a beautiful letter last week from all of them telling all of us how grateful they will always be for all of the cards, donations, love and support and that they no longer would need any further donations to be sent. They also mentioned that any money left in the paypal account was now going to be used for Travis’ legacy fund that Chris Hughes started last year. That fund will be used for crime victims and/or families of crime victims so they can afford to attend court, animal sanctuary and rescue, and 2 other things that I can’t remember right now.

    • GN5020
      05/25/2013 at 9:02 am

      I sent a check directly to Samantha Alexander and she took the time to send the sweetest thank you note. Wonderful family! We need to continue to support them because they can’t go back to their jobs until this is over.

      • Ginger
        05/25/2013 at 4:04 pm

        I think the foreman should donate his entire jury pay for a job not finished!

  52. jad
    05/25/2013 at 2:33 am

    Robert Exits Rotterdam (and all the peeps) — Glad to see you made it to the States without missing one minute of these proceedings. Your points of view of these proceedings were so welcome, and so many of us would have missed your input [that was finally at the Sentencing phase when you exited for the States] if your arrival would have been timed differently. As more was revealed about the activity and apparent ineptitude of that Mitigation Specialist, in receipt of so many [hard-earned] dollars of public funds [taxed from the people when paying tribute to the county, that somehow seems to be used for the exclusive benefit of a select few, like that Mitigation Specialist], it seems to be the right time to discuss more of the obligation owed based on a job description. This woman has submitted [for payment] a mind-boggling amount of hours that she has notated when supposedly serving in her capacity as a Mitigation Specialist for the Jodi Arias case. However, from what has already been posted, it seems that she has suffered an inability to perform, in accord with what should have been expected.

    YOUR DIATRIBE AGAINST THAT MITIGATION SPECIALIST CERTAINLY UNCOVERED WHAT SHE REALLY IS AND MADE ONE THINK. You also brought into the discussion that people (like this Mitigation Specialist or those hired-gun, so-called experts, like LaToilette, Samuels, Geffner, Dworkin, & Aumeister) can blatantly abuse the public trust, while they are reaping exorbitant sums [of the public’s money], as though they were more deserving of the peoples’ hard earned moneys [than the people]. It is just amazing that the County Commissioners in Maricopa County permit this misspending. They must be pulling in so much money in taxes, they don’t know what to do with the excess!! If these commissioners aren’t wallowing in tax money like pigs in sh*t and actually do care about the tax dollars that seem to be part of a giveaway for a psychopathic killer and her friends, they should have done something about the manner of [over]paying expert witnesses and criminal lawyers before this got so out of hand, because ultimately the blame for such an obscenity lay on these County Commissioners — that have given an OK to certain entities to grab as much money as they can, out of the county coffers, anytime they care to visit the people’s treasury.

    These County Commissioners have been left out of most articles that have been written about the amounts of money this one lone person, WURMI, has pocketed for himself, his henchman, WillNot, and his chosen purported professional witnesses (that are right up there with your career politician for being so obtuse with the explanation about where the taxes go after the people’s pockets have been picked to provide for what they call SERVICES). Your words made me go hunting, and I found the Laws and the Rules, which were reviewed, so that I could understand just how all of the millions of dollars in expenditure for the defense of Jodi Arias could have come about. WOW!! The County Commissioners have a lot of ‘splainin to do Lucy — for they are the ones responsible for collecting the taxes out of the people’s home budgets, just to be transferred into the hands of these wizards either listed on the Court Registry or receptive [in other ways] under other [not so well publicized] Court-appointment measures).

    Since reviewing certain information, I have written about the criminality, in the abuse of the positions in Maricopa County, that has lead to this farce, by making a very clear report on the Laws and the Rules. However, I am taking some extra time to make sure that each and every Law is quoted correctly, and any and all statements are made without mistake. There was an error in one of my last postings, where I mistakenly typed the year as 2007 rather than 2008. It was a major blunder, and one I do not want to repeat. So, I will post within the next few days a treatise on how the Law has been violated by the criminal lawyers for Jodi Arias. It is my feeling that the main reason they were able to confuse the Jurors was because the criminal lawyers on the defense team had an unlimited amount of Maricopa money that was used. (So, what does that say about the Maricopa County Commissioners, and the way they run the local government? NOT MUCH.) Please feel free to respond once I post these Laws, Rules, and the Minute Entries [that reveal the misuse of taxpayer money]. Even though you live out of the county, you will probably still become infuriated to see how tax dollars are [mis]used and how these tax dollars are not supposed to end up paying for such an absurdity as the Jodi Arias defense team. Who knows? Maybe this is what is occurring all over, and the revelation about such an abuse of the public trust at the county level will not really matter to those in power.

    Have you watched any of those Darryl Brewer interviews, that CiCi’s Circle discovered? In one of the excerpts, Darryl Brewer explained there had been no work by anyone in finding anybody to testify for Jodi Arias (around Big Sur, where she had lived and worked for years, including the same [entire] time frame she had been [officially] dating Mr. Alexander). While his word is not that proven (as able to be believed), his statements that no one had been interviewed in the area are believable, in that there does not seem to have been much done by this Mitigation Specialist, to line up people to talk at that particular stage of the Sentencing Hearing. Regardless, she probably still picked up a big, fat paycheck for sitting around every day (spouting off she worked for Wurmi’s capital case [instead of the truth, which would have been an owed allegiance to the Maricopa County taxpayers who were the people who were responsible for hiring her and paying her]). With what appears to be an insincerity (from her) to what was owed the case, this Mitigation Specialist acted as though she might not have known she was employed to perform a public service [at taxpayer expense]. Is it possible this woman never read the Rule that lead to her employment (as well as her contract of employment) and did not understand she was supposed to work [and work diligently] if she wanted to be put in receipt of moneys for her contracted employment?

    In so many jurisdictions around the land, these so-called experts and [Mitigation] Specialists have been portrayed as [good souls whose existence is] essential — qualified [professionals], with a gifted talent or skilled expertise, to be called upon, by those accused of heinous crimes (due to the fact that there is a possibility that the accused could be innocent of the crime or could have been driven to commit the crime by hard luck circumstance or misfortune beyond the control of the accused). These [self-described] public-spirited persons, that are Court-appointed, specifically to assist those accused of crimes [wherein the souls of these unfortunate accused have been put in jeopardy], have been likened to the humane members of a priestly class in their [self] professed love and care for and of fellow man who (because of an unjust, noncaring Government) find themselves in a situation where they need the voice of these theoretically socially concerned, compassionate altruists. On the witness stand ([for someone like LaToilette, Samuels, or Geffner] to explain their presence in the case), these [self-described] humanitarians would pooh-pooh the idea that money would have been the attraction for their dedication.

    These social reformers promote themselves in a manner where they make all (or as many as they can make) believe that the love of money was not what had made these superficially sympathetic creatures back a person accused of a [heinous] capital crime (when bashing the deceased victim whom they had to know had been tortured to death by the criminal acts of the person they were backing). They exposed themselves a little though, when they had to answer questions about the money they were accepting for their talents. They had expressed a bit of concern that the activity of their philanthropic organizations (that would usually be in receipt of the money in these instances [as explained by Doctor Robert Geffner]), could have potentially been misconstrued. There seemed to be a worry about the problems raised about the hours that had been claimed, which could not be verified in the same manner that had worked out for the Claimants. Troubling as that seems, it appears the County Commissioners are predisposed to make automatic payments for the troupe. (As a matter of course, reference to the amount of hours and the standard amount of hourly fee together with the way the payment would be made was unsettling. It seemed as though this line of questioning [although very limited] was not desired — as these expert witnesses collecting such hefty payments must have realized they could be besieged [in the very near future] with an investigation by IRS CID, which entity could decide the money to be taxable. The knowledge of just how much was made could also open an investigation by either the Arizona authority [where Samuels was a resident-citizen] or the California authority [where LaToilette and Geffner were resident-citizens], which could possibly reveal a fee structure that might have been developed to avoid the payment of income taxes [that would lead to penalties and interest, on top of the tax, for these money-grubbers]).

    • jad
      05/25/2013 at 2:35 am

      To say the least, the billing was fairly questionable for the second-line of expert witnesses (that were a psychologist [that claimed to not be treating patients any longer, that could have worked hand-in-hand with Wurmi because his specialty was in sex-related therapies], a social worker without a psychologist to oversee her work [so that she could not identify herself as an expert witness to be paid as what she said she was, a psychotherapist], and a psychologist [that seemed to be brought into the case in the last minutes to make the social worker look more professional, even though he did not have anything to do with her work product]). No matter to the criminal lawyers that never said they were directly paying these expert witnesses, but would have to admit that these expert witnesses would have been expecting to receive payment for that which they supplied for the defense team. At the time that these expert witnesses were testifying, there was no discussion [while they were on the stand] about whether they would have expected to receive full payment for their services, even though their testimony was not mere miscomprehension but appeared to be more in the line of perjury or false swearing (per Section 13-2702 A.1 or Section 13-2703 A. of the Arizona Revised Statutes, respectively). They appeared to tiptoe around committing perjury by inconsistent statements (per Section 13-2705 of the Arizona Revised Statutes (“A.R.S.”)).

      These high-minded and highly paid specialists in their field did not want to give the wrong impression for the reasons they were in the Courthouse testifying on a murderer’s behalf. In other words, they expected to be paid because of the many hours they had dedicated to the cause, and they did not believe they were ripping off the taxpayers when taking an Oath to tell the TRUTH and then telling a story that did not match the facts of the case (but tended to match the facts that the three of these experts [with a supposed social conscious] had worked out as the reason for the innocence of Jodi Arias). It did appear that they held a belief that all of the moneys that their non-profits or not-for-profits would oversee, would be exempt from an investigation (into why these groups would receive such a large amount of public money for one accused defendant). They tried to shy away from the public’s perception that they appeared to be more like accomplices to influencing a witness, or tampering with a witness, or giving an appearance of receiving a bribe (per Section 13-2802 A.1, Section 13-2804 A.1 & A.2, or Section 13-2803 A.1 of the Arizona Revised Statutes, respectively). (In addition, Samuels seemed to be treading water when he tried making other reports to plant into the evidence record. So, the possibility existed that of tampering with physical evidence (per Section 13-2809 A.1 & A.2, A.R.S.) or interfering with judicial proceedings [when engaging in disrespectful or insolent behavior that would tend to interrupt proceedings or impair the respect due the authority of the Court] (per Section 13-2810 A.1, A.R.S.).

      Something else started to really disturb me about this portrayal, while we watched the parade of the defense team’s second-line of expert witnesses ([of LaToilette, Samuels, and Geffner] and knew that the defense team of Jodi Arias had [to use tremendous amounts of public money] to pay people [that also included her first-line team of Dworkin and Aumeister] to say good things about her — which thought was reinforced when it was found out that no one wanted to say anything good about her to mitigate the aggravator, in that end part of the Trial. There had been a ridiculous expense involved, when putting these so-called experts up on the stand. Subsequently, it was discovered that Jodi Arias had the benefit of another bought and paid for friend [in the Court], to only focus on that which could be found about her good nature, and to dismiss anything uncovered that showed her true evil. A LOT OF THE PUBLIC’S MONEY WAS BEING USED IN THIS TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE. You could see that it was so easy for Wurmi and WillNot to attach these suckers to the public teat, that they must have had an inside scoop to the easy money. Whether they had already taken a free ride on the gravy train or just knew someone [up ‘til that time], they sure have enjoyed the plenty the taxpayers have provided for times like these.

      The peculiar thing is that the Arizona Law and Arizona’s Rules of Court don’t seem to be in agreement with the way that the skimming has been going on with these Court-appointed attorneys, Court-appointed experts, and that designated Mitigation Specialist. (The pertinent Laws and Rules have been reviewed and actually do NOT permit payment for that which the defense team of criminal lawyers have put together.) Maybe some connected lawyer, controlling politician, or party bigwig [with the keys to the door, knowledge of the accounts, and code to the safe] has sneakily diverted the income stream to some vacant Office in the Courthouse or into the backrooms of the County Commission Chambers, where those in the know can work their magic to unloose the change. (The reason for this comment is because there is knowledge and proof that these enterprises exist [where the Courthouse can be the means or the vehicle used to divert the public’s money, otherwise known as theft, or more appropriately RICO]. There are a couple rackets that have been ongoing for decades in the Courthouse in my locale — which have continued, even though this knowledge [along with undeniable proof] was brought forward [together], and all of the information (combined with the effort of others) showed the manner the money was being moved (through unnoticed Local Administrative Orders, that were [deliberately and with bad intent] written so broadly that these confusing, deceptive Orders were mistakenly interpreted, and money was able to be easily manipulated, away from control by the public into private hands, through a variety of maneuvers).

      It is understandable that it would take some time to take these hoodlums down [with the assistance of the Feds], since a whole cottage industry does grow around the thievery (which has usually been sprinkled with various relatives of those with very important positions, or others, fitting the job description [willing to kick back a sum for appointment]). It just seems that federal Law Enforcement could do a more extensive and seasonable job in assisting the clean-up, once they are called in, since the Feds have a better grasp on an understanding, when the locals won’t touch it [even though there would have been the offer of so much free publicity that Office seekers usually enjoy immensely, that could have splattered their faces onto the public’s view, with a people-pleasing announcement of an end to Court corruption]. GOD forbid — in this instance, the locals might not entertain this focus on their region, as their party bosses in Maricopa County might get mad — and they wouldn’t get the money they need for re-election [or they could be removed from the society pages with no more photos and complimentary articles of family members getting award-after-award for some type of humanitarian endeavor, that really does not exist or is an exaggeration of a scheme]. So, the beat goes on.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/25/2013 at 2:56 am

      I hope we can all eventually see an itemized accounting; you are so right –follow the money.What was revolting was when Geffner tried to come off as a ‘humanitarian’ and ‘sacrificial’ servant of justice that wasn’t being “paid” for his testimony. No. His tax-exe of the gross. His “job” at the “institute” included testifying in court.
      Courts in Europe are starting to eliminate “experts” unless a disinterested one is needed.. Too much money is assumed to be there for whatever purpose. That is not “fair”; that is “stupid”.

    • Jill
      05/25/2013 at 10:27 am

      Jad, your writing is amazing! I don’t know how u know all this! It’s mind boggling. U should send this info to some source that might b able to act on it. Don’t waste what u took the time and effort to write. Send it where it needs to go and b an advocate! Great job!

  53. nyccowgirl
    05/25/2013 at 2:33 am

    HJ Madison :
    Jodi’s new neighbor

    something very refreshing about her honesty, including pleading guilty without wasting taxpayers’ money. something to respect. don’t get me wrong – i’m glad she’s behind bars.

    “Will you kill again?” Watkiss asked.

    “If the opportunity arises, I hope so,” Simpson answered without hesitation.

    WOBO better curtail her smugness.

    • HJ Madison
      05/25/2013 at 2:41 am

      I know! Everything about this woman has “Jodi you are Dead Meat” written all over her! I swear, as soon as this woman gets tired of visiting her “sisters” and is ready to go to hell, she is going to kill Jodi just to be sure she gets a decent “last supper” on the State!

      • 05/25/2013 at 2:43 am

        killing Jo Jo might spare her from hell.. you know.. even up the balance.

      • Moon
        05/25/2013 at 2:59 am

        Hi good people!

        I have a different thought on this…. i think the ho and this one couldbecome new BFFs….. I think ho would ‘study’ her like she does and they could even become lovers. and then look out if these 2 are on the good side with each other… they would totally own the joint together! double bat shit crazy

      • GN5020
        05/25/2013 at 9:05 am

        Unfortunately, I agree with Moon. Jodi has used her snatch before to get what she wants from a decent guy. No hesitation in using it, or whatever she needs to do, to get what she wants even in Perryville.

      • ringadingding
        05/25/2013 at 9:35 am

        Moon, the thought crossed my mind, but the racial thing is a big aspect. So is, ironically, a code of honor. Angela S actually understands and experiences the concept of bonding (would never kill a friend even if they betrayed her). How would she view someone like JA? I think, at the very least, she would play JA and toy with her.

  54. 05/25/2013 at 2:36 am

    HJ Madison :
    Oh I am so glad you enjoyed that! RingADing gifted us with it! This girl is going to kill Jodi! BTW, she got LWOP because she so readily pled guilty.

    Hiiii HJ! Nice to catch you and thank you for the repost of that vid… how interesting is she??? wow I would like to interview both her and Jodi and I think I would actually enjoy interviewing this gal!

    I still think there is a chance Jodi could end up on DP… so long as the family, Juan and the system go for another sentencing phase. I don’t think it’s out of the realms of possibility at all. But it certainly isn’t a guarantee by any means. The defense will have less time to stall and less time for Team Jodi to muddy the water with their sideshow err slideshow? so who knows it could very well go to DP still yet.

    • HJ Madison
      05/25/2013 at 2:48 am

      Thanks for popping in … we REALLY needed your take on the jury foreman! I certainly think the DP is possible, though I rather enjoy knowing who Jodi would otherwise be sharing shower space with! 😳 Have fun in Melbourne!

  55. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/25/2013 at 2:37 am

    NY Times just an hour ago or so:

    A federal judge ruled on Friday that Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his deputies had violated the constitutional rights of Latinos by targeting them during raids and traffic stops here and throughout Maricopa County.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/25/2013 at 2:38 am

      At 142 pages, the decision is peppered with stinging criticism of the policies and practices espoused by Sheriff Arpaio, who Judge Snow said had turned much of his focus to arresting immigrants who were in the country illegally, in most cases civil violations, at the expense of fighting crimes.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/25/2013 at 2:42 am

        “in news releases, Sheriff Arpaio’s office often referred to the operations as integral parts of the sheriff’s “illegal immigrant stance.”

        like MMD’s *stance*?

      • 05/25/2013 at 2:57 am

        you cant do the MMD stance on that Sheriff… MMD was claiming him as yet another addition to her male harem not too long ago!

      • 05/25/2013 at 3:09 am

        What is MMD’s stance?

      • MMD
        05/25/2013 at 8:57 am

        completely NOT like my stance Robert 😉

  56. 05/25/2013 at 2:43 am

    Syn did u see the video re Wobo’s rose colored glasses? If not can someone post? It’s comforting.

    • 05/25/2013 at 2:58 am

      umm no but I can go back and find it.. assuming its on the previous thread?

    • 05/25/2013 at 3:01 am

      oh oh hang on yes I did.. I think it was the last thing I saw before I left and I remarked how it echoed HJ’s post about that inmate who said the prison Jo Jo would head to was not going to allow her any of those crap schemes she was fantasising about ‘implementing’ and in fact they had them anyhow but she wouldnt qualify for even rudimentary work until she proved herself or was there a certain amount of time or something or other.

      Was heartening to read there seems to be no way she is getting off this skipping happily in the daisy fields swatting butterflies.

      • 05/25/2013 at 3:07 am

        Oh good. U don’t want to miss a thing . The sand man calleth. Hasta luego. Buenas noches. JA taught me that by the way.

    • 05/25/2013 at 3:02 am

      I think so. But let’s see if this works


      • 05/25/2013 at 3:09 am

        You know this really makes sense. Everything she has said throughout that I personally have experience in has been so absurdly detached from any foundation in reality…..

        Why would we ever think this would be different?

        I think we all just lack the inside knowledge of the reality of what she will be facing so we had nothing to go on. Everything we are finding now.. we being collectively at Donchais Uni… is proving nothing is different and as usual everything she expects is merely a projection of her wishful reality rather than having any basis in fact.

        Makes perfect sense to me and it’s just so reassuring as well!

      • 05/25/2013 at 3:25 am

        In one of,her interviews, I think when asked about her reaction to the verdict she mentioned unreality. So her unreality is my reality, and my reality is her unreality? Is this doublespeak. Yeah Wobo you’re a country of one.

  57. Family of Law
    05/25/2013 at 2:53 am

    Well, that’s it for me my friends- I’m bleary eyed, nite to all (afternoon Syn and Essem!) See you all tomorrow 🙂

    • 05/25/2013 at 2:56 am

      see you FoL… glad I caught you!!!! I hope your brother is right by the way! re the either way ain’t gonna be pretty for her! 😀

    • 05/25/2013 at 3:58 am


  58. 05/25/2013 at 2:55 am

    Yu lot!!! today of all days did you have to post so much good stuff????

  59. NancyB
    05/25/2013 at 2:59 am

    Syn!! Missed you and did you happen to see the rose colored glasses video about Perrysville that Moon posted towards the beginning of this thread???? It is a MUST for you to see and its not long. Hope you are enjoying yourself to the MAX!! 🙂

    • 05/25/2013 at 3:05 am

      yep just answered that to Hey(Bright)girl above ya! Plus I see you have been busy finding us great links as usual! I do think despite the confusion.. that pending updates in Arizona system… Jodi is hopefully into some years of reality checks whichever this sentence comes down.

      I know you, HJ and myself have been busy trying to clarify exactly what she may be up against and it’s all so confusing but more and more it is looking like there will be some form of justice for Travis either way. Would you agree?

      • NancyB
        05/25/2013 at 3:34 am

        I do, Syn! I;m exhausted so I;m going yo sleep. Planted a ton of veggies and flowers today. See you tomr Oh what is the current weather like in Melbourne?

  60. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/25/2013 at 3:11 am

    tossing in the the towel. thanks to all for taking the time to express yourself and share.
    be well, adieu.

  61. 05/25/2013 at 3:11 am

    Brightgirl58 :
    What is MMD’s stance?

    *hands on hips*


    • 05/25/2013 at 3:12 am

      Gotcha. See I can’t break away.

  62. Janna
    05/25/2013 at 3:11 am

    I hope we get to hear from the 8 who voted DP and wouldn’t it be interesting if they gave a group interviews as in “united we stand.”

    I’m not watching or reading any more crapolla about the Foreman. The guy is/was tainted BIG time – imo. He’s making it sound like he’s speaking for all the others. I’d prefer to to hear it directly from their mouth, not mister foreman’s.

    • 05/25/2013 at 3:22 am

      yes so do I! someone but this guy has to speak up!!! They are all probably still so angry at him they can’t speak yet.. whereas cos he ruled the roost and got what he wanted he’s all warm and fuzzy inside.. best he get out from in front of the cameras and start catching up on the things he doesn’t know and find out how truly stupid is naive outlook was/is!!

      unfortunately people like him are often too arrogant to ever concede they could have been wrong.

  63. Janna
    05/25/2013 at 3:13 am

    Proof that juror foreman became biased toward Arias ……

    • 05/25/2013 at 3:14 am

      Giggling so loud im waking my husband. He’s already so annoyed with me.

    • ringadingding
      05/25/2013 at 9:38 am


  64. 05/25/2013 at 3:13 am

    How about hearing more in depth from is it juror número ocho? Sorry but I want to share all that JA has taught me.

    • 05/25/2013 at 3:19 am

      lol.. are you doing it by correspondence? twitter? email? 😛

      • 05/25/2013 at 3:30 am

        Secret eye movement, televised of course. I’m dying since I’ve been cut off.

  65. Janna
    05/25/2013 at 3:16 am

    After she’s been on Death Row a few years ……

    • 05/25/2013 at 3:18 am

      hahaha obviously that’s after that Simpson girl gives her a haircut!

    • 05/25/2013 at 3:28 am

      Hmm that’s just regular age progression. No added factors taken into account such as SIster Simpson. She’ll probably look like that so much sooner!

    • GN5020
      05/25/2013 at 9:08 am

      I think she will be sporting an eye patch too, after another inmate thinks she is giving her attitude with that wandering eye of hers.

    • Marilyn N
      05/25/2013 at 12:16 pm

      I think there will be graying hair!

  66. 05/25/2013 at 3:16 am

    kk I will be back later tonight to read some more… so glad I could catch most of you.. I didnt think you’d be here this late was expecting an empty sandbox so was a great surprise to find you all here!!!

    I think despite everything… we won.. and once the Alexanders start seeing some of what we have been seeing they too will have just a little more comfort. I hope she isn’t out in 20 years.. but 20 years in the conditions she will hopefully be in at least for 10 of them… well even that is going to feel like a lot more. She’s not getting off scott free and without access to the media.. she is hurting badly! So let’s just hope that continues!

  67. NancyB
    05/25/2013 at 3:21 am

    Janna :
    Thanks Essem. I mailed card & contribution to an address in California. Didn’t know if it would have been ok for me indicate that I’m affiliated with CFJ and this is where I got the address.

    Yes, absolutely!

  68. Janna
    05/25/2013 at 3:35 am

    Jury foreman before his appointment with Locks of Love

  69. Chrissie A
    05/25/2013 at 3:47 am

    Robert exits Rotterdam :
    pssst! pass it on: jodi is a snitch..


  70. Chrissie A
    05/25/2013 at 3:56 am

    via @josemcyntire
    Car Critic & Jury Foreman “Bill Z” works for Broadcast Media. No wonder he’s the first on camera & comfortable running his mouth.

    • MMD
      05/25/2013 at 8:52 am

      figures 😦

  71. Schaeffer
    05/25/2013 at 4:24 am

    I watched the video from AZ central, with the jury foreman standing outside what I presume is his home. I have already commented on his statement “We were horrified when we found out they declared a mistrial.” My original comment was something to the effect of “What in the hell does he mean surprised? What did he think was going to happen?”

    As I watched it again, I had a thought. When he informed the Judge they couldn’t reach a verdict, did he think she would pull in the alternates to replace those who weren’t in agreement with the foreman himself, or those he would identify as non-negotiatiers? That is the only way I can make sense of what he meant by that particular phrasing.

    • Elexa
      05/25/2013 at 11:31 am

      And what difference does he think it would have made to know that?
      If they could not reach a unanimous decision, they could not reach a unanimous decision.

      If he feels that knowing it would cause a mistrial would have made a difference in their deliberations, he knows that they gave up early.

      In other words, they WIMPED OUT.

  72. Schaeffer
    05/25/2013 at 4:30 am

    I have a couple of questions for those who commented on the fingers and nail beds of the penis owner.

    1. Was it established when the photos were taken/transmitted?

    2. Had the pubic hair been shaved?

    3. Was the source of the transmission ever identified?

    • 05/25/2013 at 10:55 am

      Ask Jad about the penis shots… He was the one that brought it to everyones attention.. I wish he would do some research into the sex tape. He’s amazing and I always look foward to his coments..He could become a member of the Vidocq Society that solves hard cases.

  73. Lisa M
    05/25/2013 at 7:20 am

    “Prosecutors now have the option to take the death penalty off the table and avoid a new penalty phase. The judge would then determine whether to sentence Arias to spend her entire life behind bars, or give her life with the possibility of release after 25 years.”
    I read this from the BostonHerald.com. So I didn’t realize this was possible, assuming this is true. If so and Martinez has a good read in the judge this sounds like a good option.

    • Lisa M
      05/25/2013 at 7:24 am

      The same source said that even if the next jury is hung the judge would then choose life or LWOP. I thought she’d be forced to give The defendant only life at that point. I don’t know if the source is correct though? Can anyone clarify?

      • GN5020
        05/25/2013 at 9:10 am

        No, just like if the first jury gave her Life, or the second jury gives her Life or No unanimous decision, the judge then chooses between Life or LWOP.

  74. Chrissie A
    05/25/2013 at 7:28 am

    via The State vs Arias:

    An alternate juror told The Arizona Republic that she would have gone with the majority on the death penalty. Carol Gosselink of Scottsdale said Arias showed a lack of remorse. Arias’ claims about being emotionally abused also didn’t ring true.

    “I don’t doubt she was in a situation where she shouldn’t have put up with some of that stuff. But she had a choice,” Gosselink said. “She’s a pretty girl. Why did she continue in a relationship that caused that much negativity for her?”

    Gosselink said jurors and the three alternates agreed not to disclose which of the four were against sentencing Arias to death. She said the gender of the jurors “didn’t make a difference” in how they voted. But she was disappointed that they couldn’t come to an agreement.

    • ringadingding
      05/25/2013 at 9:54 am

      “Gosselink said jurors and the three alternates agreed not to disclose which of the four were against sentencing Arias to death.” So sad…those honorable 8 just got hosed.

      • ringadingding
        05/25/2013 at 9:55 am

        They wouldn’t want me on a jury because I would not cover for anyone’s decision. If they don’t stand by before the public, then they are not strong enough in their convictions to be there to begin with.

      • ringadingding
        05/25/2013 at 9:56 am

        sorry…that should be “standby by their decision before the public…”

  75. Chrissie A
    05/25/2013 at 7:49 am

    Stabby’s “design” stolen from breast cancer survivors t-shirts:

    • Dewey
      05/25/2013 at 7:51 am

      you mean she was dishonest??

      • Chrissie A
        05/25/2013 at 7:58 am

        She’s consistent Dewey 🙂

    • NancyB
      05/25/2013 at 9:32 am

      Great find Chrissie – at least she’s true to form.

    • Lisa M
      05/25/2013 at 9:41 am

      Ditto to what Nancy B said– great find. How shameless of Jodi! Now she can add another segment of society that will be outraged by her behavior.

    • nyccowgirl
      05/25/2013 at 9:54 am

      would be really pathetic if it’s the same font. they should find the tshirt manufacturer and see if that’s where she got the TA shirt made.

      • Chrissie A
        05/25/2013 at 3:36 pm

        The only thing that The Stabs did was to change the font 😛

  76. Dewey
    05/25/2013 at 7:50 am

    I wish some of the other jurors would come forward with interviews. He cant possibly be speaking for all of them. I want to hear from the 8 that wanted DP.

    • Chrissie A
      05/25/2013 at 8:01 am

      They will, given time – see my post (#299 at the mo)

      • Dewey
        05/25/2013 at 8:07 am

        The more he speaks, the more you can see the sympathy he had toward her. He didnt want to look at her during the verdict in the guilt phase? Thats ridiculous, he shouldve looked her right in the eye when they read guilty! I read last night somewhere that he said he sympathized with her during Juans questioning. Why, because Juan was exposing lie after lie? Thank God they found her guilty.

    • Janna
      05/25/2013 at 10:14 am

      Me too. I posted same upstairs.

  77. MMD
    05/25/2013 at 8:37 am

    NancyB :
    I’m confused. Remember when MMD posted that video she posted awhile back of Juan speaking at some criminal’s parole hearing so that there would be no chance for him to be released???

    Nancy you constantly amaze me with the comments you retain and can pull out at will. I looked back in my file and that was for a clemency hearing for Robert Towery and JM starts at around the 20 minute mark. I think he was executed very shortly thereafter.

  78. MMD
    05/25/2013 at 8:50 am

    Syntara :
    you cant do the MMD stance on that Sheriff… MMD was claiming him as yet another addition to her male harem not too long ago!

    There is only one man in my harem Syn and you know it!!!! :shocked: He’s pissed, frustrated, angry and back at work. As for the Sheriff, I appreciated what he was trying to do from what I had previously heard. The more I learned the less I appreciated him. He’s a media hog and quite affiliated with faux news. Plus Wher IsSHE completely filled me in on what he’s like and it ain’t pretty!

    • 05/25/2013 at 2:32 pm

      He is so wonderfully passionate but only you MMD would know that.

  79. GN5020
    05/25/2013 at 9:12 am

    Question for the group: Does anyone know if the defense has to stick with the same list of mitigating factors they offered in jury instructions to the first jury? Or do they get a do-over, focusing on only what they think works best now?

    • Lisa M
      05/25/2013 at 10:26 am

      I don’t know because Im not one of the many legal experts on this site, but I would assume they’d get a complete do-over and the prosecutor would too. I can’t imagine they’d be restricted to what they’ve already presented or that the prosecutor would.

  80. NancyB
    05/25/2013 at 9:19 am

    ^^^Thanks MMD!
    Here’s a little more info about the most recent 5 Az juries that ended in mistrial.


    • NancyB
      • nyccowgirl
        05/25/2013 at 10:01 am

        thanks for this. i saw someone commented earlier about the 5 cases with hung juries and only 3 went DP on 2nd try so it appeared to be 50/50. but it seems as if that is misconstrued as the state only decided to retry 4 and 3 went DP and the other one was hung again – judge then decided that one. those are significantly different statistics once you get into the details than just stating 50/50. so where jury actually decided, 100% of the 2nd juries went DP.

      • nyccowgirl
        05/25/2013 at 10:04 am

        and for lamar, the judge was forced to rule on life based on the law at the time.

  81. Lisa M
    05/25/2013 at 9:26 am

    GN5020 :
    No, just like if the first jury gave her Life, or the second jury gives her Life or No unanimous decision, the judge then chooses between Life or LWOP.

    Thanks, GN5020! There’s so much conflicting information out there. So even if Juan goes ahead with another jury, and that jury picks No unanimous decision or Life, the judge will decide at that point. That’s good to know. I feel a little bit later. So basically, the State gets another chance, and they’re not penalized for that.

    • Lisa M
      05/25/2013 at 10:31 am

      I meant better not later.

  82. Lisa M
    05/25/2013 at 9:38 am

    Moon :
    Hi good people!
    I have a different thought on this…. i think the ho and this one couldbecome new BFFs….. I think ho would ‘study’ her like she does and they could even become lovers. and then look out if these 2 are on the good side with each other… they would totally own the joint together! double bat shit crazy

    No, I don’t think so. Angela wouldn’t allow anyone to get close enough to her to be BFFs. She’s not the type to share power. She might engage with her on a sexual level, but trust me, there would be no sharing of power with this one!

    • Chrissie A
      05/25/2013 at 2:35 pm

      I totally agree Lisa – I envision the stubby pencils being screwed into the stabs noodle by that one, she would make mincemeat out of her.

  83. ringadingding
    05/25/2013 at 9:48 am

    Here’s what’s bothered me more than anything about the for-jodi-man of the jury, and that’s the part of her allocution where she says “some people don’t believe I was abused.” At the time, I was dumbfounded as to why she would tell that to the people who (to my view at the time) were clearly the “some people” she was referring to. So how did she know that there was at least one (possibly more) on the jury who were not “some people”? I think her DT had some inside intel on that jury and the for-jodi-man cleary had some intel that came from outside what was presented in court (no way he could have sussed out public opinion that quickly to the point he could evaluate it as mob mentality). I wonder…is there any way for the state to investigate improprieties on the part of the jury, or is that only something the DT would have time and resources for?

    • Chrissie A
      05/25/2013 at 2:37 pm

      I find the whole scenario with him to be extremely questionable.

  84. NancyB
    05/25/2013 at 9:50 am

    VIDEO | Perryville

    Scroll to 5:28 – Wendi Andriano, death row

    • Jill
      05/25/2013 at 10:31 am

      Ty nancy…that was good!

  85. ringadingding
    05/25/2013 at 9:52 am

    Syn…in that interview with Angela S, where she states that she wouldn’t kill the people who testified against her because she had bonded with them at one point, I thought…wow…she’s got human qualities that JA will never posses. (Unless, that is, Angela S was lying about that part, but the fact that she understands the concept of bonding puts her ahead in that department, imo).

    • Lisa M
      05/25/2013 at 10:15 am

      Bonded? Did she say that? That’s not the Angela Simpson I’ve seen. She has her own really bizarre code of ethics. She hates police ( she calls them pigs and according to her has encouraged her own children to hate them.) She has claimed she’d kill a prison guard or better yet torture and kill one simply because all “pigs” deserve to be killed. She’s either severely mentally I’ll or extremely evil. I think probably both because I think she actually means what she says.

      • Lisa M
        05/25/2013 at 10:16 am

        I meant she’s encouraged her own children to kill police not just hate them.

      • ringadingding
        05/25/2013 at 10:21 am

        Yes, watch the video when she’s asked about the other people involved. She says they lied. It was just her, but she would not take revenge on them because there had been some bonding at one point. She actually uses the word.

  86. Beans
    05/25/2013 at 10:12 am

    “I believe there are monsters born in the world to human parents. Some you can see. misshapen and horrible…… And just as there are physical monsters, can there not be mental or psychic monsters born? The face and body may be perfect, but if a twisted gene or malformed egg can produce physical monsters, may not the same process produce a malformed soul? …..Monsters are variations from the accepted normal to a greater or lesser degree. As a child may be born without an arm, so one may be born without kindness or the potential of conscience.,,,,,,to a monster the norm must seem monstrous since everyone is normal to himself, To the inner monster it must be even more obscure, since he has no visible thing to compare with others. To a man born without conscience, a soul-stricken man must seem ridiculous. To a criminal, honesty foolish” – an abridgment of the introduction to the character Cathy Ames from John Steinbeck’s ‘East of Eden’ Sound like anyone we know?

    • NancyB
      05/25/2013 at 11:02 am

      Beans – those are some deep non linear thoughts and OMG I just finished reading your comment and now see not your thoughts but that it’s from Steinbeck!! Yes, the comparisons are notable.

      • Beans
        05/25/2013 at 11:19 am

        Steinbeck first published that in 1952, Kinda prescient I think – the first female psycho I was introduced to. East of Eden and The Grapes of Wrath are two of my favorite novels, have read them repeatedly over the years.

    • Jill
      05/25/2013 at 11:13 am

      Great find Beans!

      • Beans
        05/25/2013 at 11:52 am

        thanks Jill but let’s give all credit to Mr. Steinbeck.

  87. 05/25/2013 at 10:23 am

    OK.. I thought some might be interested in my thoughts regarding Angela Simpson and Jodistein. I find the potential dynamic giddying and I would really love to communicate with Angela BEFORE she meets Jodi. I do so hope Angela has seen something of Jodistein’s “highlight” reel but it’s probably unlikely considering where she is but the prison grapevine and sisters could well have given her something.

    Anyhow.. I’ve divided my thoughts into 3 parts that hopefully will put forward the basic possibilities.

    Can Jodistein and Angela become friends? (Part 1/3)

    Jodi and Angela: distrust at first sight.

    J: “Hey my sister’s name is Angela”

    A: “So? ”

    J: [backs off, turns walks away]

    [ sometime later Angela notices Jodistein and calls to her]

    A: “Hey bitch you dissed your sister Angela? Called her dumb and stupid then lied about it in court? What’s up with that. You ain’t shit.. stay outta my way girl or I got some killin’ to do.”

  88. 05/25/2013 at 10:24 am

    Can Jodistein and Angela become friends? (Part 2/3)

    Jodi and Angela’s commonality: shared history.

    Angela: Put a cat in the microwave
    Jodi: (Likely) kicked Doggyboy to death

    Angela: Murdered Triple-T
    Jodistein: Murdered T-Dog

    Angela: Left palm print on wall in victims blood.
    Jodistein: Left palm print on wall in her and victim’s blood.

    Angela: Created a ruse to give a guy in wheelchair (defenseless) sex in order to get him into the house she planned to kill him.
    Jodistein: Created a ruse using her sexuality to gain access to his house where she planned to kill him.

    Angela: Tortured her prey then slit his throat wrapping his body in a blanket and dragging him to the bathroom
    Jodistein: Cold-bloodedly pursued her already dying prey, slit his throat, wrapped his body in a sheet and dragged him to the bathroom.

    • ringadingding
      05/25/2013 at 10:40 am

      Wow. Just wow. The criminal similarities are striking.

    • Lisa M
      05/25/2013 at 10:40 am

      Yeah but Angela also kept her victim alive for three days while she tortured him continuously. She is beyond sick. Not sure if Jodi would have gone that far but maybe if she could have she would have, who knows?

      • 05/25/2013 at 10:45 am

        Jodi toyed with him all day until she ran out of time and needed to get to her ‘alibi’ The only difference here is the game play versus overt. It’s the same MO just differently implemented. Jodistein prefers dishing out emotional and psychological abuse over physical. This goes back to the game play versus straight talker.

  89. 05/25/2013 at 10:26 am

    Can Jodistein and Angela become friends? (Part 3/3)

    Assuming these two come into contact….as I said earlier… this can go one of two ways and it’s entirely up to Jodi.

    Angela tells it how it is and she doesn’t play games. Jodi cannot tell the truth and she only plays games.

    Jodi could NOT use the “FOG” with Angela. Angela has no hesitation in relating exactly what she did to her prey and why. Jodi claim’s fog and a false “self defense”.

    Angela would neither believe nor tolerate this nonsense and Jodistein would HAVE to ‘fess up to her. (Which would be a VERY interesting twist and I’d like to get to Angela BEFORE this happens!)

    Needless to say this is where the two personalities diverge dramatically and significantly.

    Both would not take second chair BUT Jodistien could appear to by seeing Angela as a challenge to manipulate.

    This would be an extremely dangerous gamble on Jodistein’s part. If they are in close proximity there will be a LOT of time for Jodistein to slip up or someone to point out to Angela she is being played. Jodistein plays by divide and conquer over time there will be a LOT that could get back to Angela.

    As soon as Angela gets a hint that she is being played Jodistein will immediately become a Triple-T, akin to a snitch – white trash in need of a coffin. Angela would not hesitate to introduce her deserving ‘ass’ to it.

    Conclusion: Jodistein’s natural need is to play games – Angela does not tolerate game playing. IF Jodistein plays with this fire she will very likely get burned.

    • ringadingding
      05/25/2013 at 10:38 am

      I think the biggest difference between the two, and the one that would be most unfavorable to JA’s long term health, is that JA is parasitic and AS operates under her own power.

      • 05/25/2013 at 10:41 am

        That comes under:

        Angela would neither believe nor tolerate this nonsense and Jodistein would HAVE to ‘fess up to her

      • Lisa M
        05/25/2013 at 10:48 am

        There’s only one thing wrong with this scenario. We shouldn’t be on Angela’s side even where it concerns WOBO. AS is pure evil. I’ve never seen anyone more evil or sick than this woman although I’m sure they’re out there. She seems like a Hannibal Lecter type to me.
        Although I agree Id love to be a fly on the cell wall when these two meet, isn’t this scenario a moot point right now? Isn’t JA going to be in isolation for years before she joins the other lifers if she gets life?

      • 05/25/2013 at 10:58 am

        Lisa M: That comes under

        Assuming these two come into contact….

    • Beans
      05/25/2013 at 10:42 am

      spot on Syn. stabby is a game-playing back-biter. angela would simply ‘deal’ with her while stabby was still planning her moves. (happy you had a safe journey.)

      • 05/25/2013 at 11:07 am

        happy you decided to take my advice… finally! 😛

    • Janna
      05/25/2013 at 10:45 am

      Hi Synema. This was juicy and made me smile. I immediately thought about how this story could play out in a movie with one or two sequels (as in Hannibal Lector, Clarice Starling, Silence of The Lambs).

      • 05/25/2013 at 10:54 am

        hahaha yeah it would make a great movie as long as the characters were written properly. There is nothing worse than a psychological thriller where the psychology of the characters is not accurately portrayed and/or written.

        It just doesn’t draw you in well enough.

      • Janna
        05/25/2013 at 11:03 am

        Syn (Synema) hahahahahaaaaaa

        I can’t remember who produced and directed the Hannibal Lector movies, but I thought they were extraordinaire.

    • Lisa M
      05/25/2013 at 10:50 am

      I agree Syn that Jodi would be gambling with her life if she ever even imagined she could manipulate AS.

  90. 05/25/2013 at 10:32 am

    I don’t know if anyone read or saw this…I’m still behind by 2 threads:( Anyways, it’s from the jodiariassisinnocent blog (sorry..just wanted to see what their saying now about the verdict) I thought this was very interesting and most likely the reason Jodi couldn’t produce the “Travis Alexander’s” t-shirt for evidence in court. This would have interfered with her claims of Travis being possessive and abusive. She would have been so busted! Another LIE! I believe this is 100% true. I also believe the underwear that said “Travis’s” was something she had made (not him) and wore for him thinking it was sexy n cute. If the below isn’t true then I feel the same about the t-shirt as I do the underwear.

    Here’s what it said:
    The latest one I read was that someone on the “pro prosecution” site was saying that the shirt Jodi was photographed in that said, “Travis Alexander’s” was really made for his “blog.” They said (without ANY proof) that it said “Travis Alexander’s” on the front, and supposedly it said “Being Better Blog” on the back.


    • Ginger
      05/25/2013 at 4:30 pm

      Yes i heard travis had a company with a friend that did the shirts and it had his blog on the back was wondering when this would come into the trial.

  91. Janeto
    05/25/2013 at 10:42 am

    Hello fellow sandboxers! Brought my shovel, and pail! Bailey, I heard there was something on the back of that shirt also, relating to his either “blog” or a speech convention thing….or something like that….Shorts,….I believe she had that made like you said thinking it was sexy…

    • Janna
      05/25/2013 at 10:49 am

      Morning Ms Longhorn. All sorts of lightening and buckets of rain in Huskerville.

    • Douglme
      05/25/2013 at 4:12 pm

      If there was something on the back, wouldn’t Juan have brought that up?

  92. Janeto
    05/25/2013 at 10:45 am

    Syn- {{{waves by the way}}}….also mention, that Angela also ADMITTED she SHOULD have gotten the death penalty, and JA thinks she should get off without serving ANY sentence…Also, the reporter asked her if she should blame her “upbringing” as an excuse to how she is, and she said no uh uh!! Where as JA blames everyone else!

    • Janna
      05/25/2013 at 10:54 am

      Angela embraces her killer instinct. CMJA is horrified by hers.

    • Lisa M
      05/25/2013 at 10:59 am

      Yeah good points Janeto. And I’ve never heard Angela speak of the afterworld or eternity like JA has as if she’s going to be enjoying eternal happiness. (She can’t even limit her hypocrisy and BS to this world!)
      I think Angela knows where she’s going and wants to go there. The joke will be on WOBO when she finds out that both she and Angela have wound up in the same place!

    • 05/25/2013 at 11:01 am

      Hiii Jan…. there is so much more that I would include.. I tried to keep it short.. and I don’t do short well as you probably know.. my mind works too damn fast processing info and running off to incorporate it!

      **waves** and good to see you 😀

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/25/2013 at 4:56 pm

      I found her way more appealing than wobo. You knew where you stood with her. She did’nt seem as narcissistic, and she expressed a code of conduct that guided her.

  93. Janeto
    05/25/2013 at 10:51 am

    Ha! Morning “husker!!” You got that right! Love that rain……….missed and needed it soooo much!!! 😀

    • Janna
      05/25/2013 at 10:58 am

      We’d be happy to share with ya. All kinds of crazee wet here. It’s been thundering all morning and scaring the kitties.

      • Janeto
        05/25/2013 at 11:07 am

        It started here yesterday afternoon…lots of lightening and “God Bowling strikes”. It rained off and on till about 10:00. Started up again around 6 this a.m. still lightly raining! Share, please, we truly need about a foot to get near getting out of this drought!!!! 😯

  94. Janeto
    05/25/2013 at 10:55 am

    Very true Lisa…..Angela is a cold blooded killer also,…..it’s just soooooo JUST to think about her taking care of WOBO….my gosh, what has become of me from this wench???? Just know I don’t feel that way about everybody……..

    • Lisa M
      05/25/2013 at 11:05 am

      I know Janeto. It’s happened to me too. Believe me the idea of AS taking care of JA certainly seems like poetic justice to me too. I didn’t mean to get all goody two shoes on everybody! I’ll just never forget the first time I became aware of AS when I saw her on Lock Up. I was so beyond horrified.

      • Janeto
        05/25/2013 at 11:11 am

        totally agree, and understand!! no goodie two shoes.. 😆 just giving a reality check 😉

  95. NancyB
  96. Janeto
    05/25/2013 at 10:57 am

    Janna….I don’t believe Hodi is horrified by her instinct!!! She still wholeheartedly (oxymoron, thinking she actually has one) thinks Travis deserved to die, and she was happy to oblige…..

    • 05/25/2013 at 11:05 am

      difference is.. Jodi doesn’t want her inner self portrayed cos she is so different from the rest of us… Angela on the other hand doesn’t have that difference she just chooses to be a sociopath and play by her own rules. It’s a very ‘nice’ example of the difference between a psychopath and a sociopath.

      • Janeto
        05/25/2013 at 11:09 am

        touche Dr. Syn!!! Was off course in my thinking…..:shock: just popping off cuz I rarely get to comment anymore… tee hee!

      • Beans
        05/25/2013 at 11:41 am

        now hold on here. are you saying one can “choose” to be a sociopath?

      • 05/25/2013 at 11:42 am


    • 05/25/2013 at 11:14 am

      on contraire!! I think you were pretty much spot on… just a minor deviation but an important observation.

      • Janeto
        05/25/2013 at 11:17 am

        missed you doc!! read all your posts though!!! 😉 can’t go without yours and roberts comments…. Of course FOL, true justice, and most everyones!!

    • GN5020
      05/25/2013 at 11:32 am

      In one of her last celebrity interviews, JA was asked if the world would be “safe” if she got out of prison in the future. She replied that “Yes … as long as she wasn’t threatened or abused” (something to that effect), so not only is she sticking to her abuse justification, she still feels entitled to provide a qualifier to the easiest question she was asked. Bizarre.

      • Janeto
        05/25/2013 at 11:36 am

        truly bizarre! She would kill again I stongly feel!!!! Next time she would be more careful in things that didn’t quite go the way SHE expected…….. and prepare for them…..

      • 05/25/2013 at 3:38 pm

        Only know which one?

      • 05/25/2013 at 3:40 pm

        Drats I meant do you know which interview?

  97. 05/25/2013 at 10:58 am

    Another topic that probably has been discussed but i wanted to bring up before i forget. I’m sure ya’ll have read about the jury’s foreman. Do you think he was for or againsr the DP verdict? I was SO pizzed that he said she was def abused. Omg, really??? I wonder how many orhers felt that way too?? He then says the videos he has seen from the interrogation, 48 hours, dateline and all interviews after the 1st degree verdict was read, wouldn’t have changed his mind about anything or feelings about Jodi. He seems very sympathetic towards her and also said he felt bad because she was crucified by the public. Now, i know he said her taking the stand was too long, etc, and yea it was a negative comment but compared ro all the others i think he drank the poisonous cool aid. Am i over reacting or did this annoy anyone else?

    Second, Why do you think 7 of the jurors felt Travis had a gun? I didn’t think about it before with the whole felony thing but my husband brought it up because he was shocked that so many felt that way. The proof of nothing out of place in the closet, no shelf tipped, no clothes moved..everything in perfect order. Then, the fact of no other bullets in the house, all of Travis’s family and friends adamantly denying he owned any guns and Jodi being ao insistent on the interrogation videos thay he didn’t own a gun. Coincidently, grandpa’s rare .25 caliber is stolen a week before…How in hell did they think it was Travis’s gun??? Grrrrrr!!!

    Ok…shutting up now.

    • Janeto
      05/25/2013 at 11:03 am

      Bailey, I haven’t seen ANYTHING of that furor foremans interviews due to what most have said about it and how he believed her lying ass!!! I don’t think he voted DP…but I could be wrong since I didn’t watch or read anything.
      2 I think they agreed felony not because Travis had a gun, but because it was stolen from her GF’s/…..my thoughts….

    • Janeto
      05/25/2013 at 11:04 am

      and don’t you DARE shut up!!!! 🙂

    • 05/25/2013 at 11:11 am

      As I said in my profile of the limited information forthcoming… I think it is safe to assume he was not one of the 8 but either way I think the no verdict verdict suited him most and I have a feeling he pushed for it. LIke “come on we can’t agree let’s take it to the judge” type thing.

      • Janeto
        05/25/2013 at 11:14 am

        agree to the max Syn!!!! I feel the same way….I’ve missed so many comments trying to catch up it’s near impossible… I’m a fast reader, but damn I get a headache trying to read them all!! Hope you saw I answered your response the other day saying I was there is spirit! Pobably 2 or 3 posts ago… 🙄

      • 05/25/2013 at 11:16 am

        yup yup I did see that!! and I knew you were anyhow! I felt ya! 😀

    • Marilyn N
      05/25/2013 at 11:33 am

      Sorry I am behind, but did he say they thought Travis had a gun?
      I thought they all believed it was premeditated.

      • Janeto
        05/25/2013 at 11:39 am

        There you are too!!!! Hi ya!!!! Missed you as well!!!!!!!!!! You know, like I said earlier, I have not seen this jerks interviews because I can’t stand to hear someone who believes Travis mentally and physically abused her, but I THOUGHT to myself, that they might have thought the gun was her grandfathers, not Travis’s… Am I wrong???? They …or HE thinks Travis had a gun??????? unbelievable!!!

      • Marilyn N
        05/25/2013 at 12:04 pm

        DId he say that? Didn’t hear if he did.
        Sure wish that juror didn’t get the DUI and get the boot.
        He sounded like he saw right thru her!

  98. Janeto
    05/25/2013 at 10:59 am

    Beans, beans, good for your heart, the more you eat, the more you —-! 😳 you still here? how are ya??? Lovin your posts!! Make me laugh out loud most times!!!

  99. 05/25/2013 at 11:16 am

    Bubble, for the list, if u don’t have already, DT drawing compassion thru able-bodied granny in the wheelchair.

    • GN5020
      05/25/2013 at 11:35 am

      Yep. If the defense changes course and puts on family members in mitigation, I hope they wheel granny up to the stand so JM can show the media taping of their visit to psych jail where she skipped across the pavement.

    • ringadingding
      05/25/2013 at 12:44 pm

      That right there would be enough to make Ms. Angela lose her shizz.

  100. Janna
    05/25/2013 at 11:16 am

    Janna :
    Angela embraces her killer instinct. CMJA is horrified by hers.

    The big difference is Angela’s candid admission about her appetite for killing v Jodi who can’t come out of the closet. I agree with you that Jodi carries no internal remorse about killing Travis, but outwardly she still wants to portray that she’s “horrified” about what she did.

    • Janeto
      05/25/2013 at 11:19 am

      Yeah, some great “portrayal” she TRIES to show….she’s just a closet killer!! 😀

  101. Beans
    05/25/2013 at 11:22 am

    Syn, re: ‘taking your advice’. I always pay attention to you.

    • Janeto
      05/25/2013 at 11:26 am

      there you are!!! what advice did the Doc give you???? We always listen to Syn…..
      hey ringading, you still around?? I love your name……I wish I would have picked what I wanted to call myself…..”cool breeze”, but I never blogged before and wasn’t sure I would stay….. 😦

      • 05/25/2013 at 11:40 am

        Secret Syn Stuff 😛

      • ringadingding
        05/25/2013 at 12:45 pm

        Hi Janeto! I’m in and out…have to take care of doggy and also in the middle of a move.

      • ringadingding
        05/25/2013 at 12:47 pm

        Oh, and thanks for the mention of my handle. When I found this blog, bells started going off and I knew you were all onto something genuine…thus, ringadingding.

  102. Janeto
    05/25/2013 at 11:23 am

    Beans…..where’d you go???? is bubbles on? He made me laugh so hard last night about his 👿 doings… 😆 I’ll help him!!! Robert, MMD, jay, tracey? anna banana??? I saw your reply the other post…. Missed you guys!!!!! Hope all is ok on ya’lls end of the globe!!

    • Beans
      05/25/2013 at 11:31 am

      I’m here, how’s it going?

  103. Beans
    05/25/2013 at 11:29 am

    Janna re: the Lector movies, Johnathan Demme directed the 1st one and Ridley Scott did the 2nd.

    • Janna
      05/25/2013 at 11:44 am

      Thanks for jogging my memory

    • Beans
      05/25/2013 at 11:49 am

      oops, ‘Jonathan’

  104. 05/25/2013 at 11:33 am

    The giddying dynamic I see with Angela and Jodi.. IF Jodistein came into contact with Angela she would be ‘dying’ to tell her the whole story… so what if she does? What if she lets go of the fog to share the commonality between herself and Angela to get Angela ‘on side’? What then happens?

    Remember Jodistein morphs into what the person she is speaking to wants her to be. Angela would be the first person Jodistein would feel compelled to tell the truth to.. not because it was the truth but to ‘impress’ Angela.

    Which is why I would like to get to Angela first. To plant some ideas and perspective in her head before this encounter. I almost WANT them to meet. The problem is IF Jodistein opened up to her would Angela ‘betray’ her. This is why it would be important to get to Angela, do some straight talking to her and make her realise Jodistein is incapable of loyalty to anyone but herself so relaying anything Jodistein said would not be snitching it would be outing a snitch.

    • GN5020
      05/25/2013 at 11:40 am

      I disagree. If Angela is known as the evil badass in the house, Jodi will grab the alternative “O Holy Night”-singing-wrongly-accused-good-girl persona. Jodi doesn’t compete or react head-on, it’s always on an angle when you aren’t expecting it.

      • Janeto
        05/25/2013 at 11:46 am

        Hmmm. good point!!!!!! She ALWAYS has an “angle”…..

      • 05/25/2013 at 11:49 am

        her angle would be manipulating Angela… an almost impossible game for her to walk away from. That’s the point.

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 12:06 pm

      Hiya Syn- loved your post about the Foreman, as well as your scenarios on “Jo Jo meets Angie”. If they ever do encounter each other, I’m guessing Angela would mark her right away. Angela is “street” and JA is “burbs”. JA might do her best to morph into “I’m a badass just like you” (like in her interrogation telling Flores, “I know what happens to snitches” and using several different street terms) But like you said, Angela tells it like it is, and doesn’t play games- she’s going to see right through her. Jo Jo has lived the life of a spoiled rotten brat, that has had people walking around on eggshells her whole life- and has never been held accountable, I think she is about to learn how badass she isn’t. I’m excited!

      • Beans
        05/25/2013 at 12:12 pm

        always loved the concept of ‘schadenfreude’ and it’s most appropriate in stabby’s situation.

      • 05/25/2013 at 12:13 pm

        Yep but remember… Jo Jo is god.. better and smarter than anyone.. so let’s hope Jodistein, should she meet her, draw on her extreme(ly flawed) narcissism and make a fatal or close to fatal mistake. It would be totally in line with her god complex.

      • Family of Law
        05/25/2013 at 12:18 pm

        Hi Beans! Yeah, I don’t like being guilty of enjoying others misfortune, but in this case, I’m DELIGHTING in JA getting what she deserves!

    • ringadingding
      05/25/2013 at 12:55 pm

      Syn, I think you might actually be able to do something with this. The reporter who interviewed Angela Simpson, 3TV’s Mike Watkiss, has been in the Arias courtroom throughout (you can see him sitting in the back row, behind the Alexenders, often next to Jenkasaurus). No doubt he’s been trying to get an interview with JA and will continue to follow her to prison. He typically covers all the Warren Jeffs-type stories (the polyamist cults). If I were you, I’d reach out to him.

      • Jill
        05/25/2013 at 1:35 pm

        Great idea!

  105. Janeto
    05/25/2013 at 11:33 am

    @beans…. Hannible (sp) Lector?? I’m doin good… you ok???

  106. Janeto
    05/25/2013 at 11:44 am

    Syntara :
    Secret Syn Stuff

    😳 ok. sorry for getting personal……. off to the naughty corner now. ➡

  107. Janeto
    05/25/2013 at 11:52 am

    Syn- So you would like to talk to Angela before she meets JA to let her know she will manipulate her???? Is that what I get?? I would HOPE she would know that before Jodi even gets there…..

    • 05/25/2013 at 11:56 am

      not to let her know anything as natural as “she would manipulate her” that would insult her intelligence and put her offside immediately….. to give her some deeper insights than she is probably privy to.. but in a straight talking way because she seems to respond to “say it as it is”.

      • Janeto
        05/25/2013 at 11:58 am

        😉 got it.. I was going to say that she would probably take offense thinking it would insult her intelligence.. 🙂

  108. Dewey
    05/25/2013 at 11:56 am

    Good afternoon:) Does anyone think we’ll hear anything from the other jurors? Im sure the press is reaching out to them for interviews. Janeto, how is your OK family doing after the storm? ( it was your family, right?)

    • Janeto
      05/25/2013 at 12:00 pm

      Hey there Dewey! Yep that was my family.. they are doing as well as can be…thank goodness only one home was lost…Thanks for asking… I HOPE the other jurors will speak soon. I would like to hear some others speak…this guy seems to only think with his “other brain!!!” She wrapped him good I’m afraid!!!

      • Dewey
        05/25/2013 at 12:04 pm

        Glad to hear theyre ok

    • Beans
      05/25/2013 at 12:03 pm

      it would sure be nice to hear from the others after listening to the knucklehead foreman say he’d like to “talk” to stabby and get an explanation from her. what freakin’ planet has been living on for all these past months.

      • 05/25/2013 at 12:06 pm

        more importantly he had the chance to ask her!!!! He is one of the few on this planet that had the opportunity to ask her anything he wanted to!!

      • Janeto
        05/25/2013 at 12:07 pm

        Yeah, I was so 😯 at that one!! Who the hell does he thinks he’s dealing with??? Snow White????? He must be one of the dwarfs!!!! like Dopey!!!

      • ringadingding
        05/25/2013 at 12:57 pm

        Yes, he sure did have the opportunity to ask her, but I suspect he’d like a private audience.

    • Dewey
      05/25/2013 at 12:29 pm

      He definitely sounds like he has some type of grandfatherly protective thing for her. Syn, Im sure you would have a more appropriate and technical term for it.

  109. Janeto
    05/25/2013 at 12:05 pm

    OT, on the storm in Oklahoma earlier this week……I have a co-worker I deal with on the phone off and on that is near Tulsa, Ok. 100 miles away from the tornados, and he said they got alot of debree from Oklahoma City…. like papers, checks, bills and things like that!! Isn’t that amazing??? My goodness

    • Schaeffer
      05/25/2013 at 12:30 pm

      In 1991, my hometown and surrounding suburbs were hit by two separate EF5 tornadoes on the same day, killing 17 people. As you said, people’s checks and personal scraps of paper ended up in another state, some as far as 800 miles away. Then when the insurance companies come in, and you want to replace your TV or anything else, they say “Where is the receipt showing when you bought it and how much you paid?” Your entire home and all your belongings are destroyed, and they want you to produce a receipt — which is probably 500 miles away in another state! This past Sunday, we had and EF2 tornado, but thankfully my home was unscathed, other than losing electricity for a day. Still scary, though!

    • 05/25/2013 at 1:22 pm

      Grandfather complex would suffice for what you are looking for

      but I think a more appropriate term for what I have seen so far is hero complex simply because he thinks he is going to be the hero and get a straight answer as to why she did what she did.

      Yeah right.. in his freakin (wet) dreams!

      • 05/25/2013 at 1:25 pm

        uggh!! this should be hooked onto this comment from Dewey

        Dewey :
        He definitely sounds like he has some type of grandfatherly protective thing for her. Syn, Im sure you would have a more appropriate and technical term for it.

  110. Schaeffer
    05/25/2013 at 12:11 pm

    Syn — please read my comment about the foreman being “horrified” when they called a mistrial, and comment if you will. It is currently #316 upstairs.

    • 05/25/2013 at 12:15 pm

      kk going there schaeffer.. thanks

  111. NancyB
    05/25/2013 at 12:17 pm

    O.T. but I had to get this out.

    This blog and its commenters are directly responsible for bringing me back to life and I am *eternally* grateful. I really need to explain.

    My husband died 7 months ago. His death was very sudden and TOTALLY unexpected. We had been on a scuba diving trip less than 10 days prior to my world imploding. Six days prior we had hiked in the mountains – a total of 5 miles round trip and with significant elevation. Dale was in very good health.

    He had a slight cough and a cold 3 days prior to his admission but was recovering. We were eating dinner and one minute he was fine and less than a minute later he was having difficulty breathing. I rushed him to our local community hospital, which is a 5 minute drive from our home. He was diagnosed with pneumonia and the on- call pulmonologist explained that after a few days in the hospital that Dale would go home on antibiotics. He said that he would put in a central line for the antibiotics. I said, “Good, so you will do that with ultrasound, right?” He told me that “ultrasound was not necessary.” I told him that I strongly disagreed with him and that I was insisting that ultrasound be used during the insertion. He ignored me and I refused to sign the consent form. The result was that he perforated and transected Dale’s rt. carotid artery TWICE and besides blood spurting everywhere in the room this caused an extremely enormous external hematoma that extended from Dale’s entire face, throughout the entire circumference of his neck and extended down his right arm and chest to almost the nipple line. Dale turned blacker then any black person I have ever known, even ones from the continent of Africa. He hemorrhaged internally so severely that his hematocrit blood value dropped 10 points in 2 days. He blew up so much that he looked like The Incredible Hulk.

    I was beyond devastated as I had been VERY vocal in insisting that the Dr. use ultrasound during this simple insertion procedure; which would have totally prevented the perforation; however the physician refused to listen to me. On my husband’s death certificate this double transection of his right carotid artery, the largest artery in the body, along with the ensuing severe hemorrhage, is listed on his death certificate as the #1 cause of his death. Other contributing factors are also listed as additional very serious errors that occurred in the next few days. These were listed as contributing factors that directly lead to his death. Due to the severity of the sub-standard care in this hospital, which is licensed as a Level 3 Trauma Center, which is laughable, they cause my husband to die.

    Dale’s condition became extremely critical. After this HUGELY incompetent physician’s negligence a cascade of life threatening events ensued in the next few days. He was finally transferred from the ER to ICU around midnight. Dale had not been there even 5 minutes when I observed that once the nurses completed transferring him from the gurney to the hospital bed, that they failed to raise the head of his bed. The bed was FLAT with the tube feeding going! I went ballistic and immediately moved to turn the tube feed pump off to prevent any further aspiration into his lungs. I was furious and explained that he was aspirating. One nurse had the nerve to stand there and argue with me that it was “only for a few minutes and didn’t really matter.”

    They were responsible for causing a severe aspiration of tube feeding into his lungs by laying him flat in bed, which caused septic shock, kidney failure began, and he developed DIC. (Disseminated Vascular Coagulation – where you bleed out from every orifice which can develop from any Shock syndrome as can the kidney failure).

    For the next 5 days following the totally botched central line insertion, I had been literally begging the physicians’ non-stop in ICU to transfer Dale to Scripps Green Hospital but they insisted that he was too unstable to transfer. I also continuously begged them to attend to Dale’s comprised respiratory and circulatory status, all related to the shock.

    His respiratory status became more and more compromised yet these critical symptoms were ignored for *days*. His respirations rose from 18-20 per minute (which is normal) to 30 per minute, to 40-43 per minute to 56 per minute before they finally made the decision to intubate him. It was an extremely traumatic intubation and only on the 6th attempt were they able to get in; but only with a size 6 endotube which is what is used for an 8 yr old child. It was essentially like breathing through a McDonald’s coffee straw and it was necessary to put Dale into a propofol coma. (This is the drug that the terminally greedy, stupid and incompetent Dr Murphy inappropriately used that killed Michael Jackson). They were unable to get a PIC line or another peripheral line in, which was no surprise to me as they had waited so many days and he barely had any circulation with a BP of 60/36 (normal is 120/80). This was even with the 2 strongest Pressor drugs that were titrated to the highest amount allowed, in an attempt to increase his BP. He was literally hanging between life and death for a few weeks.

    I had only left Dale’s bedside 5 times in 2 ½ weeks prior to our kids getting here. Our youngest son and his finance arrived 1st in Ca from Ohio 2 ½ weeks into this nightmare, the rest got here within the next few days. This Dr’s incompetence and arrogance prevented Dale from having a trach done to secure a proper airway and also prevented a bronchoscopy from being completed, which was necessary to attempt to scoop out all of the tube feeding that he had aspirated into his lungs when they had laid him flat. The ENT surgeon explained that there was no way that he could operate on Dale in that condition, (no surprise to me) after the severe hemorrhage due to the carotid perforation. If he were to do so, it would mean certain death from bleeding out.

    I kept insisting that I wanted Dale transferred to Scripps Green Hospital in La Jolla where all of his Dr’s were and I was continually told that he was “too unstable to transfer and that he would die during transfer.” After two weeks of this nightmare and MANY more incidents of stupefying substandard care I no longer requested or insisted but *demanded* that Dale be transferred to a higher level of care. A week later (after 3 weeks in this dump of a hospital, Dale was finally life-flighted to Scripps. That was truly a blessing for all of us.

    After working as a RN for more than 30 years I know that Dr’s never point the finger at another Dr – ever. BUT, they did!! The Intensivists in ICU at Scripps Green were so entirely appalled with what they had done to Dale, they were very vocal. The Medical Director of the ICU told me that Dale would still be alive if he had been at Scripps, which I knew was true. I can not describe the level of my relief and gratitude that he told me that, which affirmed what I strongly believed to be true. The neurologist at Scripps Green Hospital *confirmed* that when the pulmonologist transected Dale’s carotid artery “that was the beginning of the end” and when nursing staff at this community Medical Center placed Dale FLAT in bed with the tube feeding ON, which resulted in aspiration of tube feeding into his lungs, “that sealed his death certificate.”

    I never got to say goodbye and that still bothers me a lot. It was excruciating for the kids when I made the decision, in concert with the excellent physicians that we needed to extubate Dale from life support. He had already experienced an unbelievable amount of suffering. The MRI had confirmed the extent of brain damage from the carotid perforation that caused severe internal bleeding into his brain. I did not want him to suffer even one second longer. I wanted him to be finally released into God’s arms.

    One more HUGE thing that happened was that on the 2nd day that Dale was in that horrible community hospital, I came home at 5PM to feed our dog and let her outside. Dottie Doodle was an old girl (14) but very healthy and Dale regularly walked her 1/4 of a mile 3 times daily and she swam in the pool every day except in the winter. She had been chugging right along and thriving.

    I found her splayed on the wood floor in the kitchen and she kept trying to get up and each time would fall back down. My heart broke and I felt so miserable wondering how many hours that she had lay there like this trying without success to get up.  Her eyes were darting back and forth and her tongue wasn’t working right. She’s a big dog, about 86 lbs but somehow I managed to pick her up and I put her in the bathtub because she had peed herself (which never had happened before) and I gave her a nice bubble bath while I assessed what the hell was going on. I thought that she might have had a stroke. It was a Sunday evening and I made the decision that I would make an appt with our vet the next day to put her to sleep.

    After bathing and drying her I made a big soft bed using a pile of 6 quilts on our bedroom floor. I hand fed her some baby food meat which I had some jars of, left from the last grandbaby visit and hand fed her some of it along with some water since her tongue and head control were impaired. I had crushed a low dosage Benedryl pill into the baby food as I thought it might make her drowsy so she would stop continuously attempting to get up which was wearing her out; since her back legs seemed paralyzed. I called the ICU and told them that I would not be back until early the next morning.

    The pill helped calm her but when she had to pee she was so anxious that she was unable to get up. I regularly changed the top 2-3 quilts and then washed her up with warm water and put baby powder on her, so she wouldn’t break down or stink. I stayed on the floor with her and sang her songs most of the night and told her that she had been the joy of my life for so many years and brought so much love and happiness to our whole family. We both slept a little. The next morning I got up early and gave her more baby food and water and then went to the hospital by 6:00AM. I made an appt with the vet for 11AM and thank goodness a neighbor helped me carry her to the car because I never ever could have done that myself. Having to put her to sleep by myself was extraordinarily painful. So, I ended up losing both of them in the same month. Once Dottie was gone I stayed at Dale’s bed side continuously. When I finally came home a month after this nightmare began, it was stunning how quiet the house was without them both here with me.

    A week after Dale’s death, I went back to work as the Director of a large non-profit Hospice where I had worked for the past 6 yrs. A little more than a month later I resigned as I was experiencing such intense grief that even though I was working 10 – 12 hour per day and was tired at the end of the day, I was unable to sleep at night and was crying so many times a day and I felt that I was losing it. I had never felt *anything* like this ever before. I had experienced intense grief when both my parents had died in the previous 10 years but NOTHING like this.

    Dale died right before Thanksgiving and we had always loved celebrating all holidays together! Our birthdays were 2 weeks apart and it was soooo hard when 1st his Bday came, then my 60th and that’s when I became a self imposed shut in. Christmas and New Years felt very empty and very painful.

    I just got worse and worse. I screened phone calls, which I’d never done before and only answered the phone when family/friends called to check on me. I’d use my fake “upbeat” voice so as not to alarm them or cause any concerns about how I was getting on. Never letting on that I was so angry and more depressed then I had EVER experienced or could even imagine ever in my life. I was too ashamed to admit that to anyone.

    I did not leave the house for a full month and a half! I cancelled dentist appt., haircut, dinner invitations and my weekly yoga classes. I have always enjoyed cooking a lot and I had a full pantry and freezer of food prior to the month that Dale ended up spending in hospitals before his death but for the 1st time in my life I could not cook. I lived on cup a soup and other crap and ordered delivery pizza a few times. The only thing I was able to accomplish was to pay my monthly bills on line and to feed the clan of outdoor cats that shelter here and sleep in the kids old little tykes play house.

    I could not concentrate well enough to even read books and I am a voracious reader. No TV program held my interest, though I kept the news on 24/7 just for background noise as I was totally unprepared for and more than a little freaked out about how *quiet* the house was without my honey sweetheart and darling doggie. I cried and I slept and I talked a lot to Dale and Dottie Doodle who were both in heaven.

    I did not even go out to get the mail. In mid Jan the mailman left a note on my door that I had to pick up my mail. I felt so badly that I was in such a state but I could not get myself to go get it. I tried to, really. Pitiful. A few days later he knocked on my door but I refused to open the door, (dressed in my red plaid flannel nightie, ala MMD!) and I spoke to him with the door closed. How embarrassing! He again requested that I pick up my mail from the box, which was beyond overflowing and said that if I didn’t, that he would not be able to deliver any more mail. I started crying which I had been doing so many times a day for more than a month and explained to Randy that Dale had died and I was a mess. He was so nice and brought a huge laundry bin size Postal Office container to my door filled to the brim with 6 weeks of my mail. He continued to do that for the next 3 weeks, I was very grateful.

    The ONLY thing that snapped me out of the depths of this severe depression and that greatly assisted me in finding myself again was Donchais’ blog! I read and lurked for all of Jan and started watching the trial live stream in Feb. and began commenting later that month. I can’t describe how healing this blog and community has been for me and it’s important that I acknowledge what a significant part this connection with all of you has played in my regaining my normally optimistic and happy self. A million thanks and sending a big hug to all!

    • Beans
      05/25/2013 at 12:23 pm

      I have always appreciated your comments and research. Hugs back at you.

    • 05/25/2013 at 12:36 pm

      Nancy!!!! I cannot imagine.. with your background, with your knowledge, with your commitment to get them to do the right thing.. how devastating, enraging and frustrating beyond the extreme what you have gone through has been.

      I feel it but I know what I feel is nothing like the torment and anger you constantly feel .. and the poor doggy! 😥 oh Nancy.. I am so so so sooo very VERY sorry!!! I am so glad that you found Donchais and the sandbox. It is a pleasure, no an honour, to have had even a minor part in helping you in your dire hours of need.

      I appreciate all your links you have found us even more now because I have a small understanding of how you were feeling when you scoured the net for us. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!!!

    • Dewey
      05/25/2013 at 12:47 pm

      Nancy, I am so glad you shared that with us and I am so sorry you have been through so much. I hope you can feel the big, warm hug I am sending your way. Anytime you feel the need to go off topic here, I know there are plenty of us who would love to listen. Sending love your way:)

    • MMD
      05/25/2013 at 12:52 pm

      {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}} to you Nancy. You have NO idea how much I can relate to your pain (the reasons are very similar only it was my mother plus a dog but this is not about me), Thank you so much for sharing your story with us. The tears are literally streaming down my face. If any of the students plus the President of Donchais University helped, we all all so glad.

      I am so sorry that you had to go through this hell and wish I could actually give you a hug in person. You have enriched this blog so much with all your links and research. All of us have learned so much from you.

      I hope that someday that you and I can have an actual phone conversation but for now, please know that we feel your pain and are so sorry for the loss of your beloved Dale and Dottie Doodle. All I know is that time helps to lessen the pain but it truly, at least for me, never totally goes away.

      Sending you prayers, hugs, kisses from my dogs and positive thoughts. xoxoxoxo MMD

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 1:05 pm

      I’m openly weeping, I thank you for sharing your personal story… There are no proper words to convey how sorry deeply I am for the tragic loss of your husband. I cannot imagine, it’s unthinkable that your vibrant active husband was suddenly taken from you and your children! The rage you must feel knowing it did not, and should not have even happened! Being an RN, and having all of those years of experience and knowledge, and then being completely disregarded by heinously negligent doctors! I hope you take comfort in knowing that YOU did everything in your power to help him and fight for him!

      No wonder I’ve loved you from the start, you are such a loving lady- you have the true heart of a nurse. The horror of losing your husband and beloved Dottie Doodle (omg, the way you nurtured, and comforted her, warms my heart!) all within a month, no wonder you fell into deep depression! There would have been something horribly wrong if you didn’t.

      My heart has so many things I want to convey to you, but I’m at a total loss of adequate words….

      I’m so glad you found Donchais, and I am so grateful to have “met you”, I’m honored to know you, truly honored.

      Giant, heartfelt (((((((HUGS))))))

    • ringadingding
      05/25/2013 at 1:09 pm

      Oh Nancy, this is absolutely heartbreaking. I’m giving you a virtual hug and so is my pooch, (who’s a therapy dog so he knows how to pull out all the stops when it comes to being there for people). I’m so glad you found this site and have been here to welcome those of us who’ve come after, seeking solace and understanding for different reasons.

      • HJ Madison
        05/25/2013 at 1:36 pm

        Ring … I am not really a dog person … but when we were losing my mom a therapy dog stopped in …. I literally felt my pain ease as I stroked that animal! I have never felt anything like that! That is the very reason why I just told Nancy I hope she had found something to cuddle. So, thank you for sharing your dog and participating in the program — so important!

    • HJ Madison
      05/25/2013 at 1:27 pm

      NANCY! {{{{hug}}}} And you know I am not a hugger! Oh you sweet dear! How I ache for you! This story …. your losses ….. thank heaven you got here and found a way to express. I am so glad you shared this. Have you adopted a new “something” (dog,cat)? You need something in your world that gives unconditional snuggles right now — so important to have physical contact. Every time MMD has a migraine I think how good it is she has her babies to cuddle.

      Your story stands as another example of why, if you ever, ever are hospitalized you MUST have someone advocating for you — fighting to ensure you get the best care. The number of blunders that occur can be hair-raising!! I AM SO SORRY! And you did all that you could, you must know that! Sometimes fighting their system can be soooo difficult! I am convinced these things grow out of $$$. Your hub was like an ATM to that crappy hospital and they did not let you move him because they needed him to fill a bed! I hate to say this, but I hope you sue because there is just no way to make places like this realize their mistakes without hitting them with what they care about most, $.

      I am glad you are here and I hope one day you will share your incredibly keen search skills with us! You should start a business finding internet stuff. Seriously! And hang in there … day by day now things will be just a little better — even our anger at that SKANK! Once she is no longer on the wretched media blitz, we all will feel better. 😊

    • 05/25/2013 at 1:33 pm

      Oh Nancy … I am so sorry. Tears are streaming down my face and I’m working at a gallery today. Thank God there is no one here at the moment so I can compose myself. My heart breaks for you but I am so happy you have found some solace in this forum. There are so many passionate, bright people on here and I am in awe of all of them. Virtual hugs to you!

    • Schaeffer
      05/25/2013 at 2:16 pm

      Nancy — my heart goes out you. What an absolute nightmare, especially when you knew more than the physicians and nurses! Sadly, with the cutbacks most health care institutions are facing, it is imperative for family members to be with the patient and actively participate in their care. When my Nana was in after emergency surgery, every time they walked into the room with an IV bag, or a shot, or anything else, I asked “What is that? Who ordered it? What is it for?” I was tending to her constantly, advising the nurses of any changes, such as when she started seizing for no reason. After a couple of days, the nurses asked — in a nice, not snotty way — if I was a nurse. When I said no, she said “You should be,” Unfortunately, Nana willed herself to die, so as her temp rose to 110, even under an ice blanket ,there wasn’t much anyone could do. However, I never left her side, and I will always be grateful for that.

      I am so glad you found donchais and the rest of us. You have contributed countless important details when the rest of us were flailing around, and Lord knows where you found the info. Your insights have been clear, pointed, and thought provoking. I hope finding this “sandbox” provided you with the distraction you needed, giving you something else to focus on in your time of need.

    • Jill
      05/25/2013 at 2:47 pm

      Dear Nancy, words can’t describe the pain and sadness that I’m feeling for your losses. (How much worse your pain and sorrow must b knowing the cause of Dale’s death was due to some damn incompetent doctors and nurses. ). Life is so unfair! I wish you only good things to come your way in life from now until you see your Dale and Dottie Doodle again. I hope you feel your hubby with you in your heart. I can’t believe what you both went through. It’s worse than a nightmare. What is wrong with these doctors and nurses who we are supposed to be able to trust our lives with? My dear mom lives in Poway and has been going thru cancer treatment at UCSD Moores Cancer Center in La Jolla. A few times she had to be hospitalized at Thornton, and I can’t believe the things I caught going wrong. I don’t have any medical knowledge, but, even I, noticed things wrong. I couldn’t believe my eyes. I wonder if the hospital is the same one? It probably wasn’t because if he had to be life flighted, I’m assuming it was out of La Jolla.( Was it in Hillcrest by any chance? That’s another place we had some unprofessional staff)
      I’m glad this site helped u get thru some of your pain. I guess focusing on something else can help at times. I know that nothing will ever take away your true pain and sorrow, but if you can find things to distract you for a bit, I think that’s the way to help you get by.
      I am so, so sorry. I hope you have a lot of family and friends to help you through.
      You really touched my heart, Nancy and I wish I could help you. I’ll always think of your Dale. He is ok now, Nancy. He’ll watch over you until you two meet again. Big, huge hugs!!!

    • truejustice
      05/25/2013 at 4:57 pm

      Nancy, My thoughts and prayers to you! Thank your sharing your heartfelt story with us, and I am glad that you are here !! Your a great contributor here and are much appreciated 🙂

    • Chrissie A
      05/25/2013 at 4:59 pm

      Nancy, my heart is breaking for you and I am so sorry for your terrible losses. It is very brave of you to share this with all of us. I just cannot imagine dealing with the inept staff at that community hospital.It’s positively infuriating to hear of, let alone to have to deal with in person. And of course Dottie, she couldn’t have had a better caring Mum, and she loves you for it,

      I know that you know they have both only slipped away into the next room.

      I admire your strength through all of this and I am so glad that you found solace on CFJ. You are a valued contributor here, I may not always comment on your posts but I look for them when I check in and always gain solid information from your in depth research – and I thank you for that 🙂 Sending you heartfelt love ~Virtual Hugs Honey~

  112. Beans
    05/25/2013 at 12:19 pm

    gotta go peoples. my hard drive has been cacking on me for a few days and my son just called to say he’s on his way from a nearby town with a new one – later everyone and keep smilin’.

  113. 05/25/2013 at 12:21 pm

    Schaeffer :
    I watched the video from AZ central, with the jury foreman standing outside what I presume is his home. I have already commented on his statement “We were horrified when we found out they declared a mistrial.” My original comment was something to the effect of “What in the hell does he mean surprised? What did he think was going to happen?”
    As I watched it again, I had a thought. When he informed the Judge they couldn’t reach a verdict, did he think she would pull in the alternates to replace those who weren’t in agreement with the foreman himself, or those he would identify as non-negotiatiers? That is the only way I can make sense of what he meant by that particular phrasing.

    Schaeffer.. as usual .. very interesting observation and although I can’t remember my exact thought I think it was along the same lines.

    My mind went immediately to.. “Well if you were the foreman why didn’t you ask the judge what happened if you all agreed on a unanimous “no agreement” before presenting it?

    It runs to the same place you did… what exactly was his motivation behind it? THAT is the question I want to see him answer.. not these vagaries of “well I don’t want to say which way I voted but I do think she was verbally and mentally abused” what kind of answer is that? Just like the verdict that was a non verdict, his answers in the interviews are non answers.

    Which leads me to believe it was deliberate.

  114. Family of Law
    05/25/2013 at 12:22 pm

    Syntara :
    Yep but remember… Jo Jo is god.. better and smarter than anyone.. so let’s hope Jodistein, should she meet her, draw on her extreme(ly flawed) narcissism and make a fatal or close to fatal mistake. It would be totally in line with her god complex.

    Yes, “Jodus Christ” will make a fatal mistake by underestimating her new peers. I can’t imagine she will charm and manipulate these hardcore types- they’ll educate HER.

    • 05/25/2013 at 12:42 pm

      LMAO Jodus Christ!!!!!

      I laughed so much that the good point your comment brought to my mind has vanished!!! dammit it was a good one too! it’s nearly 3am here.. and colder way colder than Im used to… my mind is seizing!! 😛

      • MMD
        05/25/2013 at 12:58 pm

        Hi Syn – whatcha doing in Melbourne – business or pleasure???

      • Family of Law
        05/25/2013 at 1:13 pm

        Hahahaha! When “Jodus Christ” popped into my head, I cracked my own self up, and hoped it would have a similar effect on you, as it was prompted by you reminding of JA having an extreme God complex.

        When your brain thaws from the chilly Melbourne temps, let me know your “thought”. Maybe a Tim Tam or two will do the trick, I really do need to find those!!!

  115. NancyB
    05/25/2013 at 12:36 pm

    Janna :
    Have you posted the list? Are you wanting contributions from others?

    Jana, just started the list last night and would love contributions! I’m going out in a bit but later today I’ll post the list I’ve started & thanks.

  116. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/25/2013 at 1:00 pm

    Don’t give up…..Joey Jackson hasn’t!! He’s in Juan and the Alexander’s corner still where we all should be! Hope this link works….very inspiring message from Joey Jackson:

    Just_me ‏@Just_Me1965 23 May
    Just the words I needed to soothe my weary soul. Thank you @JoeyJacksonEsq #jodiarias pic.twitter.com/ZrGvPKhFgB

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      05/25/2013 at 1:02 pm

      Well as usual we didn’t do it right! Maybe someone can find his twitter message by the path shown in the message????

    • 05/25/2013 at 1:08 pm

      this should work to the pic itself

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        05/25/2013 at 1:18 pm

        Yea..yea…that’s it!! Thank you!

  117. 05/25/2013 at 1:01 pm

    ok… since everyone is doing lists… I should start the one I alluded to some time ago. Can you all throw in questions about Jodistein.

    These include ones you have now but also if you can remember ones you had long long ago before you started learning about her psychopathology (fractured mental health).

    I would really appreciate as many as you can give me.. basic through to more complex… no limit….. just things you can remember you needed or need answers to still.

    Thank you.

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 1:26 pm

      Okay, I like this! I remember bombarding you with endless questions months ago, and I certainly still have many more! I will compile a list, and post it later…

      • 05/25/2013 at 1:32 pm

        thanks.. make sure I see it!!! 😀

  118. 05/25/2013 at 1:03 pm

    MMD :
    Hi Syn – whatcha doing in Melbourne – business or pleasure???

    Both.. work starting Monday… visiting long lost family between.

    How are you today? and pffft you so do have a freakin male harem!!!! 🙄

    • MMD
      05/25/2013 at 1:24 pm

      OK darlin’ but still in tears over Nancy’s post. Kinda sorta have a migraine.

      Glad you are having a break plus seeing some family. A red plaid flannel nightie is being overnighted to keep you warm. 😀 How long with you be away???

      Now you know I only have one man in my harem, JM 😯 I love my tv pretend character Leroy Jethro Gibbs and like my deputy U.S. Marshall Raylan Givens but gave him away to Tracey. Sheriff Joe Arpaio was NEVER in my harem and is now on my shit list. So nope only JM who stands 10 feet tall in my eyes although I really do like Det. Flores. Both have the patience of saints to put up with the crap that JA and the defense have thrown at them.

      • 05/25/2013 at 1:27 pm

        lol will be back either Friday or at latest Monday next week. Go lay down in the dark and don’t let that migraine take on…. take your pills or whatever you need NOW!!!!!

  119. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/25/2013 at 1:16 pm

    Tara Kelley ‏@tarakelley320 40m
    As an alt on this trial, I am very disgusted with what our “foreman” has said! Please know that we didn’t all feel this way!!! #jodiarias

    • ringadingding
      05/25/2013 at 1:23 pm

      Good for her! Thanks for posting this CiCi’s.

    • MMD
      05/25/2013 at 1:26 pm

      Glad to hear and thanks CC’sC 🙂

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      05/25/2013 at 1:49 pm

      Real(ly)OldHousewife ‏@RealOldHouswife 44m
      Follow @tarakelley320 She was an alternate juror on #JodiArias trial & is speaking out

  120. 05/25/2013 at 1:30 pm

    HJ Madison said upstairs;
    “Thank you TJ. This has caused so much confusion! I also want to add that ONLY a jury can recommend Death. The Judge, alone, can not sentance Death.”

    The frightening thing about this wacked out Judge is, had the jury RECOMMENDED the DP she did NOT have to abide by it. She could have imposed either LWOP or life . It would have been up to her.

    • HJ Madison
      05/25/2013 at 1:44 pm

      No…no… don’t misunderstand! The Judge can not send Jodi to Death Row without the jury. However, if the jury votes death, the judge MUST sentence her to Death! Gosh, I should have been clearer!!

      If the jury voted unanimously for death, the judge would have sentenced Jodi that moment to death and she would have been toted away that very day to death row. If the jury had unanimously voted for “life” the judge would have set a sentencing date and ordered all the pre-sentencing reports. At the sentencing she would have given either LWOP or “life” as allowed by AZ law.

      I am convinced this jury did not trust that even though they all agreed on premeditation the judge would give Jodi LWOP.

      • Lisa M
        05/25/2013 at 4:51 pm

        What do u think HJ? I think she would have imposed LWOP but I get the feeling you’re not so sure.

  121. 05/25/2013 at 1:54 pm

    Just wanted to say about that jury foreman. I posted a reply that was supposed to go to Dewey but it went totally askew. It was in regards to him having a “grandfather” complex.

    Anyhow.. from the very little I have seen on this guy.. I think he has a hero complex.

    1. He wanted to be foreman.
    2. He alone can apparently get answers from her about why she did what she did.
    3. He feels he can speak publicly on behalf of the whole jury “we” not “I”
    4. His opinions are all that matter and the rest of us apparently don’t know as much as he does.

    Just from the few sentences I found that came from him. So it’s currently a work in progress but that’s what I see so far.

    • 05/25/2013 at 1:58 pm

      Hi Syn …:-)
      Thank you so much for weighing in…

      In other words … to use the technical term …. he’s a total d!ckhead!

      • 05/25/2013 at 1:59 pm

        zegactly.. we now have bat shit crazy and a total dickhead! 😛

      • ringadingding
        05/25/2013 at 2:39 pm

        🙂 Great interpretation, CC.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      05/25/2013 at 2:07 pm

      Here’s one for you!

      IamBill ‏@IamBill46 1h
      And what about TA? #jodiarias Jury Foreman Speaks Out — ‘This Girl Was Crucified In The Court Of Public Opinion’ http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/05/jodi-arias-jury-foreman-interview-video/

    • Dewey
      05/25/2013 at 2:08 pm

      I did find your reply Syn, thanks. Was reading on twitter, #jodiarias, some very disturbing remarks people said he made about the trial. He was very open about his dislike of Martinez and how he thought he spoke to them like they were stupid. The unfairness of the jurors having to decide on the DP since they were not lawyers and could not interpret the law like lawyers. He had no business being there let alone being the foreman.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      05/25/2013 at 2:12 pm

      Chantel Chase ‏@Chantel_Chase 6h
      The #juryforeman said #jodiarias does not look like she could have committed that heinous act … WTF Dude! Do killers have “a look”?!?!!

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        05/25/2013 at 2:16 pm

        Who’s delusional now??? This guy was manipulated by her and he doesn’t even have a clue!! What a dip shit…..he needs to just shut up now!! Wait until the other jurors start talking he’s going to look a bigger fool than when he walked out of there!!

  122. HJ Madison
    05/25/2013 at 1:54 pm

    MMD: 🍦That is my gift of Haägen Daz for you. I’m sorry you are down today 😒. Feel better!

  123. 05/25/2013 at 2:05 pm

    Tara Kelley alt juror

    @tarakelley320: @RealOldHouswife definitely not happy with what is being said! Keep an eye out, there will be other jurors talking soon!!

  124. 05/25/2013 at 2:07 pm

    “@tarakelley320: @MarkEiglarsh I was unfortunately:/ I was alternate juror 17! Devastate with the outcome!”

  125. 05/25/2013 at 2:19 pm

    Ci Ci’s Circle :
    Chantel Chase ‏@Chantel_Chase 6h
    The #juryforeman said #jodiarias does not look like she could have committed that heinous act … WTF Dude! Do killers have “a look”?!?!!

    Thanks gals.. everything you are posting is confirming my first impressions on the very little he said initially. Not sure if you saw my post/ comments earlier… but they are upstairs somewhere. initial one was around 1:30am blog time.

  126. 05/25/2013 at 2:25 pm

    ok everyone.. gotta wish this gal had been on the jury and KnowItAll had been the alternate: Tara Kelley = Alt Juror #17 damn 17came out and not 18.. assuming 18 is KnowItAll.. and as far as I know it was.

    “@tarakelley320: @cherylmil24 I loved Juan!! He was sooo passionate for Travis and his family! He was Travis’s voice! I understood!”

  127. JesusFreak
    05/25/2013 at 2:29 pm

    Hi, found this and wanted to share to give you peace of mind. It helped me.


    retired head of prisons in New Mexico talks about the life Jodi will actually have if given life in prison. it is not what she expects!

    • Jill
      05/25/2013 at 3:23 pm

      Ty! This was posted yesterday or the day before and it was really good to hear. It sure did help me, too. Ty!

  128. 05/25/2013 at 2:30 pm

    oh nooooooo Juror 17 (alternate) was the one that asked Jodi “why should we believe you now?”

    “@tarakelley320: @krysti034 I asked her,”after all the lies you told,why should we believe u now?”I wanted her to know she wasn’t fooling me!! #jodiarias”

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 3:47 pm

      Wow, I wish the two had been swapped!!!! I loved that Q, and assumed that was exactly why it was submitted… Not buying your lies JA!

  129. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/25/2013 at 2:45 pm

    Wise words! He must be assistant to the Dalai Juana!!:

    J ‏@pullheadfromass 29m
    Advice for Foreman. Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt #JodiArias

    • 05/25/2013 at 2:47 pm

      hahahah I saw that too and wanted to post it in but thought “hang on I’m already clogging up the blog!” 😀

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        05/25/2013 at 2:51 pm

        Nah….I think some of this stuff now being said about that foreman (and we use the term loosely!) needs to be seen. It’s boosted our hopes here just reading it!! Keep it commin’!

  130. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/25/2013 at 2:49 pm


    Tara Kelley ‏@tarakelley320 5m
    I want to let everyone know I will be live in studio with Dr Drew this Tuesday!!!!

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 3:41 pm

      I will definitely be watching this! With a tall glass of something, because I fear I’m going to be enraged that Tara was not the foreman! The more I read, and see about “Bill” the more upset I get. He didn’t think she was capable? What? You voted guilty for 1st degree, premeditated murder! Idgit! By all accounts, Lizzie Borden was a small built gal! “Took an axe and gave her mother forty whacks, when she saw what she had done, she gave her father forty-one”. How can anyone have sympathy for JA after seeing and hearing all they did?

  131. 05/25/2013 at 3:23 pm

    Still getting thru all my reading here but re JA and Angela…. Ya think the guards wouldn’t like a little “show”, instigating a cat and mouse game, by “accidentally” having these two come into contact. Oooopsies sit back and let the fun begin.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      05/25/2013 at 3:25 pm

      Yea….they could tell each one, “hey JA is talkin’ sh** about you!” and then go tell the Jack Ass, “hey Angela says she heard your name is Skank”!! and let the party begin!!!

    • 05/25/2013 at 3:26 pm

      Ooh … I am loving the way you think, BG58!

      • 05/25/2013 at 3:32 pm

        Those guards are salivating in anticipation so are the inmates like a bunch of murderous pirhannas, hey the are!! The grapevine in prison I’m sure is quite fluid.

        I also pictured the warden/guards sitting around the table instigating their next moves like those old movies about the gods making chess moves to see what the mortals would do, to entertain them.. Was it like Jason and the Argonauts?

        Janeto, I agree hat has become of this docile gramma!?!?,?,?

      • 05/25/2013 at 3:35 pm

        Oh the thoughts won’t stop…JA will forego her one hour outside cell. Heaven will become her cell.

      • 05/25/2013 at 3:39 pm

        I’m loving Robert’s quote … “Pssst … she’s a snitch!!”

  132. 05/25/2013 at 3:41 pm

    New Vid from the ex Arizona Guard on solitary posted to #jodiarias on Twitter

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 4:04 pm

      Syn, this gave the same warm fuzzy feeling as “Rose colored glasses”! JA will not have paper and itty bitty pencils to soothe her!!! How badly do you want a camera and mic in there now? You could make an entire career out of just studying that I’m guessing!

      • 05/25/2013 at 4:15 pm

        This gave me a warm, fuzzy feeling, too.

        I keep thinking about this dickhead on his media tour. If it is found that he did not abide by the judge’s instructions, can anything happen to him? I am certain he was watching/reading media (the fact that he may have and still defends her is another level of crazy). He did not follow the instructions re mitigating factors cancelling out aggravators, either…. No legal consequences for this lecherous imbecile??

      • Jill
        05/25/2013 at 4:18 pm

        Did you hear that she won’t have pencils and paper?

    • 05/25/2013 at 4:10 pm

      I promise I will be a good girl

      I promise I will be a good girl, over and over

  133. donchais
    05/25/2013 at 4:26 pm

    NancyB…you are loved and being hugged by all, my friend…prayers and thoughts flowing to you!

  134. NancyB
    05/25/2013 at 4:27 pm

    Great News!! Ponytail will be on Dr Drew on Tues night!!

    I just found this on Mark Eiglarsh’s Twitter

    Mark Eiglarsh ‏@MarkEiglarsh 16h

    @MusickRebecca @Karenfoxwell88 And thank you for that! I appreciate it. Enjoy your weekend. Mark
    Tara Kelley Tara Kelley ‏@tarakelley320 3h

    @MarkEiglarsh I was an alternate in this trial and I am disgusted and outraged with the interviews our “foreman” has done! He needs to stop!
    Mark Eiglarsh Mark Eiglarsh ‏@MarkEiglarsh 1h

    @tarakelley320 Were you really? Do tell more.
    Tara Kelley Tara Kelley ‏@tarakelley320 1h

    @MarkEiglarsh I was unfortunately:/ I was alternate juror 17! Devastate with the outcome!
    Mark Eiglarsh Mark Eiglarsh ‏@MarkEiglarsh 25m

    @tarakelley320 Any interest on being on Dr Drew to share with us?

    Tara Kelley Tara Kelley ‏@tarakelley320 1m

    @MarkEiglarsh yep I will be in studio on Tuesday! Bill told me I could tell now lol! I told him u had to be on though!!!

  135. donchais
    05/25/2013 at 5:01 pm

    Next stop…POkeepsie! Gotta be a NY’er to understand!


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