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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – Moving Forward


I took some ‘me’ time for a bit, trying to process the past 6 years and last 5 months in court.  As sad as the hung jury was, I take strength in we got premeditated, and cruel and heinous…we got M1!!!  That truly is HUGE folks!

The hung verdict just shows how important jury selection is.  How do you arrive at M1 and go to 8-4?  In my opinion, this was NOT a death qualified jury or we would have seen a different verdict.  I can only liken it to the Phil Spector hung jury, first go-round.  But, we got him the second time!!!

My understanding is 3 parties are on-board to have-at-it.  The family, and I assume, Juan and Esteban.

So, my fellow warriors, dig deep, gather your strength, and prepare to battle!

The Travis train is about to pull out of the station for a victorious arrival at Justice Station!


katiecoolady, are we not supposed to use the Paypal/gmail address for donations any more? I will donate to Travis’ foundation at a later date, but right now I would like to continue donating to the family for their upcoming travel expenses.Thanks!
I texted Samantha again today to get just that clarification as many people are initiating fund raisers and first she sent the paypal address (which is still good) but a few min later wrote again saying she thinks everything should just go through that site at this point. I did specifically state that people are wanting to start gathering funds to support them through the next phase. I’ve always gone with her direction on this and I do ask her to write it for me so, I know I”m getting it exactly how she wants it. So that’s what I got. I do know she’s been managing the funds and I trust her so that’s what I’m sharing.

Samantha said the main donations clearinghouse is http://www.travisalexander.org now, so at least that part is settled.

They are smartly keeping all above boards!  You can mark your donation for family and travel, living expenses.  And, yes, by all means, for those who have asked, feel free to say you are a member of Calls For Justice,  It’s your site!

  1. 05/25/2013 at 5:09 pm

    Thanks for the timely donation information reminder Donchais.and lovely tribute. Complete with Ribbon 😀 Perfect touch!

    • 05/25/2013 at 6:34 pm

      Oops too late, I sent payment last night thru Paypal, but looks like that is still operational, hope so because it was the biggest one I’ve sent so far 😱

      • donchais
        05/25/2013 at 6:45 pm

        Yup, hun…will get to them! And thanks!

  2. donchais
    05/25/2013 at 5:10 pm

    TA, it’s you guys who make it what it is!

    • 05/25/2013 at 5:12 pm

      No Donchais.. it is YOU that make it what it is! None of us could or would be here if it wasn’t for you setting this up and keeping the site at such a high quality.

      Don’t EVER sell yourself short on that!

      • Beans
        05/25/2013 at 5:50 pm


      • MMD
        05/25/2013 at 7:35 pm

        Double Ditto!!!

    • 05/25/2013 at 5:15 pm

      Every one of us is here because the first thing we read when we landed here was YOUR summaries and then we read more because of the quality of YOUR work!

      You are this site and we are all indebted to you for it.

      • NancyB
        05/25/2013 at 11:04 pm

        Your words are my words.

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 6:31 pm

      Donchais, THANK YOU! For all you do for justice, and all of us! I know that ‘non-verdict’ hit you hard- I’m so glad that we have this space to piss n moan, and then with the help of you and all of the others you’ve gathered, find the strength and information to buck up and keep going!
      Not sure if you saw my post re: me talking to my brother last night, but I hold on to what he said… “No matter what, that bitch is fu@cked”! Truly, I think she WILL get what SHE deserves.

    • Janna
      05/25/2013 at 7:34 pm

      Ma’am Donchais,

      YOU are the tree; we are the apples.

      • LadyinRed
        05/25/2013 at 8:56 pm

        Bravo, Janna!

  3. 05/25/2013 at 5:10 pm

    @AnneForline: News Release from Maricopa County on #jodiarias. (Hope this works!)


    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 6:33 pm

      Short and sweet, just like Juan!

      • MMD
        05/25/2013 at 7:37 pm


  4. Dewey
    05/25/2013 at 5:15 pm

    Thanks Donchais! Syn, I like your hero complex theory. The big bad prosecutor wants to send her to her death so the foreman uses his powers to save her life.

  5. 05/25/2013 at 5:24 pm

    Thank you. I’m working on my donation also. Donchais thank you for your words beginning of last post. This is my feeble and humble way of helping. My eyes will be open for others as I open my heart even more. May God continue to richly bless you and give you his strength and wisdom. Your work is that of a warrior and we are right behind you in the quest or justice. This world is evil but good SHALL prevail!

  6. 05/25/2013 at 5:26 pm

    Meant quest for justice

  7. 05/25/2013 at 5:32 pm

    Jodi Arias ~ Master Manipulator?

    Carl ToersBijns·

    Published on 25 May 2013

    Following the Travis Alexander murder trial one cannot escape the characteristics and personalities involved in this case. This is my own opinion of Jodi Arias’ manipulative skills and how she will attempt to use them inside prison. Thus this is an awareness video for those that will supervise her at Perryville and subject to her deceit and foolishness to take chances as she is definitely a risk taker in nature.

    Carl ToersBijns 49 minutes ago

    I suspect the warden is keenly aware of her management needs; and staff accordingly. I do give the ADOC credit where credit is due and they have some good staff to get this done.

    Via Twitter:

    “@liberty_lover: #JodiArias – Master Manipulator? Carl ToersBijns, fmr Deputy Warden, ADC & NMDC

    I think the Foreman got played!”


    • Ci Ci's Circle
      05/25/2013 at 6:25 pm

      Just like he warned……”you can be played for a fool”…..that Foreman got played like a fiddle!!

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 6:39 pm

      Great find Syn! This guy has HER number (and not just on her on her prison uniform)!

      • 05/25/2013 at 6:41 pm

        yeah needless to say I LOVED it! 😀

    • Janna
      05/25/2013 at 7:45 pm

      Syn, I’d be interested in reading your TOP 10 pieces of advice to the Perryville staff in regard to Arias.

    • 05/25/2013 at 10:40 pm

      Can’t remember exact words but he said manipulators work in a short period of time. She didn’t know Travis long and had him.

    • NancyB
      05/25/2013 at 11:44 pm

      I like both of his videos on her a lot!

    • Kathy A.
      05/27/2013 at 12:18 pm

      I just watched this video; very telling. I like the one that says “Beautiful people are exempt from moral law;” I know that’s exactly what she was trying to say when she gave the infamous “Mark my words, no jury will convict me” interview. If that thought were further verbalized, it would have been “because I’m just too pretty.”

  8. NancyB
    05/25/2013 at 5:57 pm

    It feels like all of the messages sent back to have wrapped around me like a big hug and filled me up to the brim. It was just what I needed today! Donchais’ sandbox has, by virtual osmosis, infused me with the great support that I’ve craved during this period of great loss. The daily camaraderie and humor have been very healing to me and I’m so grateful. All of the good stuff here has helped me to move on and to see that this has been a transition into the next journey and that’s a good thing! MWAH!

    • 05/25/2013 at 6:02 pm

      NancyB what an INCREDIBLE attitude and truly shows your amazing character! What an example you set for us all! absolutely humbling and inspiring!

    • donchais
      05/25/2013 at 6:10 pm

      A child lets go of a balloon, a kitten purrs, a puppy licks your face, and all of us hug you!

    • 05/25/2013 at 6:31 pm

      Nancy just read your heart wrenching post on last thread, can barely see thru my tears to write this. Sending hugs and strength to you. 💦

      • Douglme
        05/26/2013 at 1:14 am

        Nancy, I have just read your previous post and I want to thank you for sharing your story with us. You have been through so much grief and mustered the strength to survive. My heart goes out to you and I pray you will continue to do well. You are truly an inspiration!!! {{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/25/2013 at 6:34 pm

      Wow. I just finished hearing from NancyB and I had to take a walk around the school yard. I was kicking sand about. Gazing and just thinking. So many things, really. First thing jumped out was “RN.” The “bingo” or “ringading” light bulb. The words were coming at a new
      perspective for me since I’ve been in and around hospitals a fair number of times. I got to see in every case, in hospitals in different states, that by FAR the most compassionate people I would encounter would be nurses. No one else came close: doctors, administrators, charity and religious volunteers, cafeteria workers, parking personnel. So Nancy’s ability to empathize -already evident at the start with accounts of her husband – just took over for me as the underlying energy of the rest her account. And thank God for that. Because the very instincts and moral systems Nancy relied upon to be such a nurturer, and an obviously attentive and loving mate and mother, would grab ahold of her and she’d have no choice but to embrace loss with the same energy as she embraced life. Reading of her caring for her dog – had me in tears – and not so much I because an old dog was having a last night, but because it became a way for Nancy to have a last night with her Dale and it broke my fuckin heart reading it.

      The pleasure I always experienced with nurses was the pleasure I generally embrace whenever I see it: a grocery worker, a lawyer, a delivery guy, a teacher, a taxi driver, street cleaner,whatever, I don’t see dedication and commitment and the joy of doing a job well, all that much anymore,particularly in America. (the postal worker who brought the mail to her, one of the exceptions). I try and note it every time I do see it. I am sure Nancy would be aware of high standards and her first instinct would be to assume other professionals would have the same. To not see that–at such a unique and crucial time of life–must be painful beyond belief. Some second rate, arrogant, hack doctor when you, Nancy, needed a good one. In your own field for Christ’s sake!

      It is most encouraging – and it should be shared by all of us in our own worlds and among those we care for- to read and hear from Nancy, that one can, eventually, focus and read and communicate and write one’s way out of the deepest pits. This is important to know and to share.

      This was a time of contemplation in the sandbox area. About a judgement of death and the concepts of life stretched out behind bars. Out of this tempo came NancyB’s epiphany about reaching air after prolonged grief.

      This is what Universities should do. Inform, encourage, prepare, enlighten.

      To NancyB – Vincent Van Gogh would often write his brother: ” a hug in thought to you”

      • 05/25/2013 at 6:40 pm

        In your own field for Christ’s sake!

        THIS is what got me the most this and the poor doggy! It keeps playing over and over in my head.

        Ultimate betrayal by your own field then the doggy . no no can’t think about it.. will start bawling again!!! 😥

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 6:46 pm

      Nance, you amaze me. After reading your words about the deep losses you’ve experienced, I now truly see how deep your care was in regards to Soldier Boy, you ARE a nurse it’s not just your profession, it’s WHO you are… I admire you greatly.

    • 05/25/2013 at 10:55 pm

      Nancy I don’t know the right words to say but know I am praying for you. I’ve thought about you all day and am sending you lots of love and warm hugs to a woman who has all the qualities I so admire. You are truly special and caring. Amazing in fact. I can only imagine the places from where you’ve received love – I can picture tons of lights on a darkened map as all the love coming from all over the world via CFJ. And in turn, you have lightened my life.

  9. 05/25/2013 at 6:08 pm

    ok I have another vid here… The guy really shouldnt play with making psychological diagnoses because he truly has no idea what symptom are which but that aside.. this is rather amusing because he rips JA a new one (new phrase for me but it’s the most appropriate I can use under the circumstances and I am sure you will agree if you watch this!).

    “@BadMediaKarma: Michael Savage Attacks Jodi Arias Final Plea, Exposes Her As Psycho Whit…: via @youtube1 ”


    (hope it works)

    • 05/25/2013 at 6:27 pm

      by the way dont listen to the end of this.. it’s a political rant and not at all relevant!!! Just posted it for the parthe rips in Jodistein’s “girl next door” powerpoint.

      • 05/25/2013 at 6:35 pm

        oh and by the way I think they guy who rang in was the Jury Foreman 😛

      • Family of Law
        05/25/2013 at 7:03 pm

        It worked… This guy definitely went off, sort of in a “Bill O’reilly” fashion! But I di laugh when he said “that wig would wig me out”! Lol! You think Joe was Bill? I will listen again…

      • 05/25/2013 at 7:05 pm

        nah I was just messin about the caller.. just kind of like he was of the same ilk.. FOL.. go have a coffee!!! 😉

      • Family of Law
        05/25/2013 at 7:16 pm

        Omg, I hate that no one can “hear” my sarcasm via text… I need “sarcasm font”.

      • renae
        05/25/2013 at 9:23 pm

        Michael Savage is a right-wing ‘nut’ who rallies against “red-doper-diaper babies” and illegal aliens; who is convinced that Obama is the devil incarnate and other ridiculous things. He is/was based out of San Francisco and last I heard England had banned him due to his numerous ‘hate-rants’

      • 05/25/2013 at 9:26 pm

        yeah well that doesnt surprise me.. but still what he said about Jodi’s speech was funny nonetheless.

    • NancyB
      05/25/2013 at 11:42 pm

      I was surprised at how strongly he detests her and I enjoyed hearing it, Syn.

  10. NancyB
    05/25/2013 at 6:33 pm

    I’m posting some stuff from Debra Milke’s, Family/Supporter page because she has been on the Lumley Unit – Death Row @ Perryville for 20 yrs and will be released very soon. BUT, the interesting thing is that all the internal info about the guards/staff awaiting JA’s arrival!!! To see the most recent JA references scroll to the bottom of page. I didn’t bold or italicize her name so that this won’t end up in moderation. 🙂

    Here’s the Wiki on Debra:

    In March 2013, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit threw out Milke’s conviction, holding that it had been secured in violation of the Fifth Amendment.[3] It held that Milke’s rights had been violated by the failure to turn over Saldate’s personnel file to the defense. That file detailed a long history of misconduct, including eight cases where confessions, indictments or convictions were thrown out because Saldate either lied under oath or violated the suspects’ rights during interrogations. The court ruled that because “the prosecution did not disclose [the arresting detective] Saldate’s history of misconduct,” Arizona had violated its obligation to turn over exculpatory evidence to the defense. In his concurring opinion, the Chief Judge wrote that he “would set aside the conviction on the separate ground that it relied on an illegally-obtained confession that probably never occurred”.[4]

    From Debra Milke’s Facebook Page:

    Order Denying Petition for Rehearing En Banc
    Posted on 05/06/2013

    The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit just ordered Denying the State of Arizona’s petition for a Rehearing En Banc. View and download the order at http://debmi.me/orderdenyrehh.

    The question now is whether or not the State of Arizona will file a Petition of Cert at the SCofUS but with no interest from any of the Appeal judges it does not seem very likely. That would mean the case next goes to the County prosecutor Bill Montgomery who has to decide within four weeks whether to retry Debra. But how should he do that? We can start calculating the release date, I guess.


    Since we are posting in the name of Debra Milke, Arizona’s innocent victim to a pathetic and prejudiced justice system, you should be informed that Debra cannot have access to the internet herself. She’s only entitled to have ten CDs, ten books, and 20 photos is her room! The people posting on her behalf are her family members and closest supporters, who have researched the case and are in possession of all the pertinent legal records. Once in a while Debra will share information or update her status via letters, which will be published to keep the growing following informed about her status.

    Debra Milke
    May 13
    There has been lots of activity at Perryville lately. It appears it is preparation for Jodie Arias who was convicted of first degree murder last week and whose trial was covered nationwide. She also appeared on segments of ’48 Hours’ and ‘Dateline’ and everything about her has been the headline news here in Phoenix. Since the penalty segment of her trial was postponed until this week the local media are scratching for news to fill in the gap so there has been a lot of stories about ‘what life is like on death row’ and related subjects.

    Debra Milke
    May 18
    Got a wonderful call from Debra this morning, and she was in great spirits. It has been a big week for her with lots of things going on but as of today things are shaping up nicely.
    Her concern last week of privileges being taken away and crackdown on policies and procedures is now clear. The Perryville prison was getting their annual ‘audit’ (like an IG inspection) so of course they had to play by the rules so they didn’t get write ups. That may still be going on but everyone knows why know and after they leave I am sure some of the special things will be restored.

    She had her periodic conference with the warden on Wednesday. The warden has been very good to her and is a great gal and warden. She treats inmates fairly and equally. Anyway, she said they had a good talk and answered some questions for her. She will give me more details when I visit on Monday.

    The mandate came down from the 9th CC this week and that is the document the attorneys are waiting for to start moving things along. This document officially vacates Debra’s conviction and sentence. But it also requires other items to be met by the court order so nothing will change for Debra until they are completed. (…)

    Debra Milke
    May 21
    We covered lots of subjects and Debra was in good spirits. The audit is still going on so there were lots of ‘suits’ in the area but nothing unusual occurred. Shawna Forde also had visitors for a period of the time but it did not interfere with anything.

    The major issue for her and her neighbors right now is a recent decision by the DOC Director as a corrective action from a recent death up at Florence. A death row inmate committed suicide up there so the Directors corrective action of “overkill” was to have all the doors on death row rooms be modified from one small piece of glass to almost all glass. Of course they are not allowed to cover up anything so now they are totally visible 24/7. There would be absolutely no privacy even when using the commode or changing clothes so you see the problem but the change will ‘protect’ them better. Since almost all CO’s (correctional officers) are men in that area you can see what their concern is. Anyone and everyone can look into their room at anytime. The first door has been removed and is being modified. It will be Jodi Arias room if when she arrives. Jodi has declared suicidal tendencies so she would be on watch at first. This is pretty standard procedure so that is not new.

    Debra Milke
    A local supporter got a call yesterday:


    “I got a call from a very frustrated Debra. She needed to vent and that she did! She wants out and NOW! Very understandable as things have tightened down again out there and she is not a happy person. The phone calls between her and her mom are now cancelled. No more! Fini! The door to her room has been modified and it has only the upper half in glass. They did not put a lower panel in the door so they will have some privacy.

    The staff seems to be psyched about Jodie Arias coming. Her room is ready (next to Wendi Andriano but with a wall and no vent between them) and will be on suicide watch indefinitely. The jury on her sentencing phase was ‘hung’ earlier in the day and were sent back to try and break the deadlock so we don’t know what the final answer is yet. They say she will be immediately transported to Perryville upon receiving her sentence so everyone seems to be getting ready. With the audit still in work I am sure things are a little ‘sticky’ out there for everyone.

    • 05/25/2013 at 6:54 pm

      man they were all ready for her.. including indefinite suicide watch.. and bam… that idiot Foreman threw a spanner in the works. I really want to hear from the other jurors…. they must still be spewing about what happened at the end. I wonder if any of them actually realised what their unanimous “cannot reach a verdict” verdict meant?

      At this stage I’m betting not… well no-one but the stupid foreman he probably knew exactly what he was doing! 😈 I don’t get why they didn’t ask before submitting it that way. I reckon he duped them and everyone else. I don’t know why.. I just feel it in the way he is acting and what he is coming out with.

      As Schaeffer said.. his comment about “not knowing” was very very strange and reeked of “what the heck did he think was going to happen then?”

      Anyhow I digress.. but reading this post by NancyB just made me go there!

      • Kristy
        05/25/2013 at 8:36 pm

        I bet Jodi retracted the suicide stuff because she was told that would make it worse once she was inside.

    • MMD
      05/25/2013 at 7:53 pm

      This is one of my worst fears about to come true. Most of the CO’s are male and we all know how JA is able to manipulate men. Just give her time.

      I do like the fact that she will not be able to go to the bathroom in privacy. That gives me a really nice warm and fuzzy feeling. (must be the migraine meds 😆 ) Have you ever noticed that whenever they show where an inmate stays, you never see any toilet paper. Wonder where it is, if they have to buy it, is it rationed or maybe, just maybe they…………………. 😈

      • Marilyn N
        05/25/2013 at 10:12 pm

        I think JA will be bending over to show the male guards her special holes!!

      • NancyB
        05/25/2013 at 11:50 pm

        One roll for 2 weeks – Sweetest MMD – hope your migraine pain quickly fades away.

    • Lisa M
      05/25/2013 at 9:22 pm

      Interesting that they planned on putting her next to Wendy Adriano who’s in the Kathy Griffin clip. She’ll get there eventually.

  11. NancyB
    05/25/2013 at 6:34 pm

    Oops – I’m in mod — so sorry Donchais!

    • dpforjodi
      05/26/2013 at 9:30 pm

      I was just going over the weekend posts. Oh Nancy, I am so sorry you had to go through that. Hugs from Newfoundland

  12. Kathy A.
    05/25/2013 at 6:42 pm

    I haven’t heard yet what the other three jurors’ reasoning was for voting life, but this ass of a foreman should have removed himself once he realized he was emotionally invested in WOBO. Of course, he wouldn’t because by God he was going to be her savior from the death penalty. Also, his comment about her being crucified in the court of public opinion – how would he know that? Not supposed to be following anything about this case. I’ll bet he starts writing to her in prison, because he’d like to talk to her. About what? To be further manipulated? I have a feeling he is going to personally experience what it’s like to be “crucified in the court of public opinion.”

    • donchais
      05/25/2013 at 6:50 pm

      I think, as in the Spector hung jury…stuff is gonna leak because peeps are pissed. It always comes out eventually!

    • NancyB
      05/25/2013 at 7:08 pm

      You nailed it, Kathy. The more I hear this guy talk the more I think he’s a transplant from Florida! He made the media statement that JA was “Crucified in the court of public opinion”. (RadarOnline). The judge released him from his admonition late on Thursday afternoon and he immediately began his media booking blitz. Hours later followed by his whirlwind media blitz. In less than 24 hours how did he scope out the previous 5 months of the trial to ‘educate’ himself on what public opinion is? Amazing, since he was observed daily throughout the entire trial and rarely wrote any notes down on that most all important aspect of his sworn obligations.

      • 05/25/2013 at 8:27 pm

        Was he the male juror that was sitting by himself outside most of the time???

      • nyccowgirl
        05/25/2013 at 10:29 pm
      • 05/28/2013 at 12:34 am

        First off Nancy, I just want to say that i am so very sorry for what you have gone thru. I, like the others on this board, shed many tears for you. You are a beautiful and strong woman who have touched many hearts with your story. I am so happy this board has helped you and I also want to say, you bring so much to this board from your sweet and funny personality to the great information you find and share with us. May you continue to be strong and know if you ever need to talk I’m here to listen as I’m sure any other person in this amazing sandbox is. I had a similar situation with my grandfather..no where as severe as you but enough to understand in a small way. Bless you Nancy and thank you again for what you bring to this sandbox. Lots of hugs sent from New York. Xoxo

      • 05/28/2013 at 12:40 am

        Second, I agree Nancy and Kathy….something isn’t right and the whole “crucified” by the media comment makes me SO furious!!! Ummmm, a girl who slaughtered and killed a man 3 times over shouldn’t be crucified? Really? This man’s head is up his ass..oh, and Jodi’s too-theres plenty of room 🙂

  13. Janeto
    05/25/2013 at 6:59 pm

    “mom” I again thank you for all you do!! I constantly have my head bowed to you! I just wish there was an emoticon to show it!!
    As I said on the day of the “non-verdict”, when the sandbox was quiet more than I’ve ever seen it, “we are all heartbroken, but still, the Alexanders need our strength and support more than ever from us all”, and after the 😯 has worn a little, we have all showed up to recoup our emotions, and frustrations and will be here for the duration for them! We aren’t quitters nor are we losers! Hell just look around at just 2 FINE examples……..NancyB and Crystal alone are super people who will never fall and NOT get back up!!! WE are one big family (thanks to you) who are there for each other as well as others “for Justice!” I’m proud to be a member of this University of Donchais!!!
    Now for NancyB….honey you had me totally bawling and I had to step away, gather myself again before I could respond. I’m sooo very sorry for what you have been through, and yet, not surprised that you have become the warrior you are! I’m so thankful for you to have found this wonderful site, and to know that all of us on here love and care for each other. I want to give you a HUGE hug from Texas and know that we wish we could hug you in person. I am not able to be on during the days of the week much due to my job, but when I can, I find so much “relief” from reading everyones comments, that it’s like a drug addiction! I wish I could talk to everyone on here in person, but virtual will have to do…Know that whenever you need us, we’ll be here. Somebody will be on playing in the warm, safe sandbox that Dochais has created…Love you to death woman!!!! take care, and I need to go get some groceries in my belly! LOL!!! later all!!!

  14. ringadingding
    05/25/2013 at 7:01 pm

    Syn, in the last thread you asked us to write what our questions about JA have been. I’ll continue to rack my brain back to that point, but one of the questions/issues I remember most clearly had to do with a lot of banter in the sandbox about whether or not she murdered because Travis was taking someone else to Cancun. I think my questions at that time had to do with what triggered her rage and, over a series of your replies, it became clear that it wasn’t Cancun but something much deeper–Travis had exposed and voiced her true nature (evil, scammer, the worst thing that ever happened to him) a week prior to her murdering him–a full week of sustained rage. Cancun was just further evidence that he was done. That’s when her devaluing began. His fate was sealed. So, while I can’t remember my question–it felt more like a series of questions trying to figure out what tipped the scales–I do know this is when she started to really come into focus for me.

    • ringadingding
      05/25/2013 at 7:04 pm

      And, I’ll add, your explanation of devaluing really sharpened the lens on this grisly scene.

    • 05/25/2013 at 7:15 pm

      Ringading.. I can work with that.. just need the basic idea and I get ya perfectly.. thankyou.

    • Schaeffer
      05/25/2013 at 8:28 pm

      One of Travis’s close friends speculated that the implications of the trip to Cancun with Mimi in tow was more than just not taking WOBO. They both (theoretically) worked for Pre-Paid Legal, where Travis was well-known and highly respected. WOBO always turned up either with Travis or where Travis was, often at at events where she was not qualified to attend, asserting she was “with” Travis. (Seminars and dinners for the highest earners, for example.) The trip to Cancun was the highest “award” given by the company and was very prestigious; it was THE award to win.

      What enraged WOBO was not only that he was taking Mimi, but by doing so, he would essentially be announcing to everyone at PPL — especially the top people and many of his closest friends — that he and WOBO were over. She put so much effort into making sure EVERYONE at PPL knew she and Travis were a couple, yet with this one trip, he would lay it all to waste. As we have all learned, the one thing WOBO could not tolerate was being exposed, and she would now be exposed as “not Travis’s girlfriend.” I really think this was a major factor in sending her over the edge.

      • Lisa M
        05/25/2013 at 9:25 pm

        That makes a lot of sense. She can’t stand being one-upped or losing as we know. That would have made humiliating to her.

      • Lisa M
        05/25/2013 at 9:26 pm

        That would have BEEN humiliating not MADE

      • 05/28/2013 at 12:49 am

        Great observation Schaeffer! That makes total sense! Making her irrelevant and gone from his circle and his life would def Send her over the edge!

  15. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/25/2013 at 7:05 pm

    Whoever posted the pic of the foreman in wobo’s hair deserves a round of applause. Laughed my ass off. Him and the Doc Dodgy are lined up hoping to finally get really close to their obsession.

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 7:12 pm

      That was brilliant, I think it was Janna!

      • Janna
        05/25/2013 at 8:03 pm

        You can call me Janna Banana Rosanna Danna (wink,grin)

    • 05/26/2013 at 12:58 am

      Hmm notice the real old guys have a thing for her..includes Darryl.

  16. Family of Law
    05/25/2013 at 7:11 pm

    Syntara :
    yeah needless to say I LOVED it!

    Which is far different from desiring “needle-less” muahahahah…

    I’m going over a bunch of my scribbles (made with pens, not stubby pencils) trying to refresh my memory of all the Q’s I had for you early on… Stay tuned, I’m compiling.

  17. 05/25/2013 at 7:18 pm

    Family of Law :
    Omg, I hate that no one can “hear” my sarcasm via text… I need “sarcasm font”.

    well you saying you would listen again got me.. I thought oh god no don’t listen to that again!!! 😛

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 7:20 pm

      Sadly much of my humor is in the delivery 😜

      • 05/25/2013 at 7:25 pm

        then use the 😛 ffs so I know!! ➡ 😛

      • Family of Law
        05/25/2013 at 7:34 pm

        From now on, I will place my “Lols” at the end of my sarcasm, not the beginning! Humph!

  18. 05/25/2013 at 7:23 pm

    I just found a link to a pic that shows her “hands” “art” is also plagiarised.. I mean yeah I know we are all shocked at that… but it’s on a facebook page and I don’t use facebook and I have no idea how to get it posted in here.. suffices to say….. when we say those two sets of clasped hands I doubt any of us really thought she had the imagination to come up with that idea.. plus it wouldn’t surprise me if that ‘art’ is photos of prints she brought or taken straight off the net.

    I’m really good with hands.. yeah riiiight.. but only for stabbing and slitting throats! 😈

  19. Family of Law
    05/25/2013 at 7:29 pm

    Has anyone seen when Amy Murphy interviewed JA? Apparently, JA was asked about the “headstand”, her response (paraphrasing) was that she really likes to do headstands on soft carpet, and she really liked the carpet in the room, and realized that where she was going, there wouldn’t be any carpet, so she just decided to do a headstand!!!
    That is hysterical!!!

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      05/25/2013 at 7:32 pm

      She’s Batshit Crazy she is!!!!

      • Janna
        05/25/2013 at 8:08 pm

        Certified batshit crazee lie telling skankabus man-nipulator hoo-ha

    • 05/25/2013 at 7:34 pm

      that’s absolutely ridiculous… I guess she couldnt say “well I didn’t have my make-up and I knew it would make my cheeks all nice and red for my mugshot” could she?

    • ringadingding
      05/25/2013 at 8:58 pm

      Well then, that makes perfect sense. When faced with going to jail and the possibility of prison, seize the moment! Seek comfort in the plush carpeting of a police station interrogation room. Cherish the memory of a headstand. Peruse the trash can. Do some chair yoga. Sign a song in preparation for Jailhouse Idol. Inquire about hair and make up opportunities. Write a letter to your victim’s grandmother. And get ready to smile demurely for the camera.

      • Kathy A.
        05/26/2013 at 10:17 am

        Ooh! “Preparing for Jail for Dummies.” 😀

      • ringadingding
        05/26/2013 at 10:47 am


  20. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/25/2013 at 7:31 pm

    Kathy A. :
    I haven’t heard yet what the other three jurors’ reasoning was for voting life, but this ass of a foreman should have removed himself once he realized he was emotionally invested in WOBO. Of course, he wouldn’t because by God he was going to be her savior from the death penalty. Also, his comment about her being crucified in the court of public opinion – how would he know that? Not supposed to be following anything about this case. I’ll bet he starts writing to her in prison, because he’d like to talk to her. About what? To be further manipulated? I have a feeling he is going to personally experience what it’s like to be “crucified in the court of public opinion.”

    That dirty old man and his warped mind will probably show up at the jail to visit the Jackass with a pocketful of Viagra on hand just in case he needs it!! He’ll sit there panting like a dog telling her “see I was a good boy….see what I did for you!” She took you for a ride you fool!!

    • 05/25/2013 at 7:35 pm

      you know what.. I really do think he will try to get in to see her. In all seriousness.

      • 05/25/2013 at 8:34 pm

        I believe you are right..Old fool..He had no business being part of the jury …Why did JA say the jury betrayed her?? She kept looking at one or two jurors through out the trail when she stood for the jury coming in and out..She would step to the side of JW to look at someone

      • ringadingding
        05/25/2013 at 9:07 pm

        Ditto. I wonder how she would receive him? Cool and aloof victim of a bad jury/shady prosecutor, or coy and confused victim of mean men who have done unspeakable things to her?

      • 05/25/2013 at 9:16 pm

        he needs to go to therapy is all I know.. how can someone detach the perpetrator from the crime. Not a healthy mind that’s for sure.

      • LadyinRed
        05/25/2013 at 9:27 pm

        Oh just the thought … [shudder] …. match made in Hades.

      • Kathy A.
        05/25/2013 at 11:29 pm

        i just don’t know how he could value JAs stories as more creditable than the Alexanders’ loss and pain. Arias will absolutely want visits from him as long as he serves some purpose. Stupid, stupid man. Does anyone know if he’s married or in a relationship? If so, I’ll bet all of this is going over really well with her/him.

  21. 05/25/2013 at 7:33 pm

    Did you lot that just got here see all the stuff from alternate Juror #17???? She has been putting a lot out on twitter and her followers went from 15 to over 1000 in 3 hours and she is only a beginner to Twitter.. poor thing must have been swamped with questions.

    Such a shame 17 was pulled out instead of 18 when the alternates were drawn!! We may well have had the desired result.. she was the one that asked Jodi “Why should we believe you now”? She loved Juan.. and is going on Dr Drew on Tuesday and has a twitter interview with wildabouttrial on Wednesday.

    She says she is pretty sure the other jurors will start speaking out soon. Her name is Tara Kelley.

    What a terrible twist of fate that 5, 8 and 17 were all out of the final 12… so unfortunate that played right into Jodisteins hand! 😈

  22. 05/25/2013 at 7:36 pm

    Family of Law :
    From now on, I will place my “Lols” at the end of my sarcasm, not the beginning! Humph!


  23. 05/25/2013 at 7:52 pm


    WEST PALM BEACH, FL – In an emotional plea last Tuesday, Jodi Arias begged that the jury sentence her to a life in prison instead of the death penalty. Along with her plea she drove a hard bargain by promising that in return for her life she would start a prison book club, try really hard to recycle, continue to donate her hair to the Locks of Love charity, and teach Spanish to fellow inmates who are not already fluent – a very useful skill in Arizona penitentiaries.

    While the jury took the necessary time to write up “pros and cons” on a courthouse chalkboard – weighing the benefits of Arias’ offer against the responsibility of supporting with tax dollars the life of a psychotic felon – Locks of Love charity president, Madonna W. Coffman, hurriedly issued the following statement, pleading for Arias’ life.

    To The Jury,

    As president of the Locks of Love charity, I would like formally state that our organization begs you [the jury] to grant Jodi Arias her life in prison – so that every 12 to 14 months she may be able to donate some of her hair, assuming that she is able to maintain long, beautiful, and healthy hair when living in hell.

    Look, we get it. She stabbed her boyfriend in the shower over 30 times, slit his throat, shot him in the head, and pleaded guilty. But let me tell you something, I’ve seen a lot of hair in my day, and brunettes like Jodi are few and far between. If you sentence her to death, you will not only be taking away her life, but also eliminating any hope for us to once again be blessed with a long and healthy lock of Jodi’s natural brown hair.

    Plus, even though Jodi’s actions have unquestionably decimated the lives and happiness of her deceased ex’s friends and family – as well as the reputation of her own family – we just have this gut instinct that she will make a great teacher. In recent years America’s prisoner test scores have been embarrassingly low. By keeping Jodi around we could not only have more bi-lingual inmates, but even more importantly ones who can appreciate classic and/or modern literature.

    When making your [the juries] decision, please just focus less on the fact that Jodi committed one of the most gruesome domestic murders in the past decade and more so on that she is a “go getter” who’s yearning for a chance to change the lives of inmates and cancer patients alike.

    Yours truly,

    Madonna W. Coffman

    President – Locks of Love

    In Other News:

    – Jodi Arias States She Also Know How to Teach Juggling

    – 10 Ways to Tell if Your Girlfriends Could Be a Psycho Killer

    – 10 Reasons You’re Already F***** If You Realize Your Girlfriend is a Psycho Killer

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      05/25/2013 at 7:59 pm

      This is a joke right????

      • 05/25/2013 at 8:09 pm

        lol yes!!! Parody ladies parody! 😀

        – If in doubt… look at the “Other News” at the bottom.

    • 05/25/2013 at 8:50 pm

      I don’t believe she donated her hair to locks of love..When she was arrested her hair was dyed or colored and couldn’t be used..If you take from the measurement from the top of her head to the middle of her back it would be about 18″. Start growing it from there 18″ – it would take at least 1 1/2 years to get that length maybe more.. I can’t see how she did it 3 times.I never remember seeing or hearing of her hair being short like to the back of her neck to get the 12″

      • Schaeffer
        05/25/2013 at 8:56 pm

        Hair that has been colored can be used, but not hair that has been bleached, so she could have donated her brown hair. Her hair when she was arrested is exactly the length it is now, about to her bra strap in the back. I agree, there is no way in hell her hair has grown a minimum of 30″ in 4 1/2 years, especially with the diet and hair care products she has access to in jail.

      • 05/25/2013 at 9:07 pm

        I thought her hair was bleached blonde and then colored dark over that just before she went to TA’s in june

    • Kathy A.
      05/25/2013 at 11:33 pm

      This paragraph told me right away it was a parody article: “Plus, even though Jodi’s actions have unquestionably decimated the lives and happiness of her deceased ex’s friends and family – as well as the reputation of her own family – we just have this gut instinct that she will make a great teacher. In recent years America’s prisoner test scores have been embarrassingly low. By keeping Jodi around we could not only have more bi-lingual inmates, but even more importantly ones who can appreciate classic and/or modern literature.

  24. Family of Law
    05/25/2013 at 8:06 pm

    That is my kinda humor!

    • 05/25/2013 at 8:10 pm

      hahaha I was going to post it with a header : For FoL 😀

      • Family of Law
        05/25/2013 at 8:14 pm

        Hahaha, someone else appreciates “tongue in cheek” 😉
        I wish that Juan would go point by point through JA’s tailor made plea during the retrial. And debunk each one- the locks of love lie was disgusting, it pissed me off more then the Tshirt.

  25. 05/25/2013 at 8:13 pm

    Foreman’s Twitter

    (Not really his 😉 but clearly what a lot are thinking)

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 8:16 pm

      Hahaha, “You had me at linebacker…..”!

      • 05/25/2013 at 8:20 pm

        I reckon she had him at the first mention of anal myself. But that’s just me.

  26. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/25/2013 at 8:16 pm

    Angelmommy53 ‏@Angelmommy53 2h
    @JustifyTravis Foreman is getting hammered on his FB page..wow https://www.facebook.com/pages/Two-For-The-Road-USA-Radio-Show/277804388628

  27. 05/25/2013 at 8:19 pm

    Janna :
    Syn, I’d be interested in reading your TOP 10 pieces of advice to the Perryville staff in regard to Arias.

    Serious, Tongue in cheek or mix of both??

    • MMD
      05/25/2013 at 8:29 pm

      Keep your pants zipped!!!
      Do not speak to JA!
      Do not make eye contact with JA!
      Wear earplugs when around JA!

      • 05/25/2013 at 8:31 pm

        MMD surprised at you… you forgot the tin foil hat and waders!

    • Janna
      05/25/2013 at 10:20 pm

      It’s a sincere question Syn. I ask because your opinion means more to me than the male prison warden who’s making the training videos on YouTube.

      • Kathy A.
        05/25/2013 at 11:36 pm

        I second that request. Both serious and tongue-in-cheek.

  28. 05/25/2013 at 8:30 pm

    I think Tara Kelley is going into meltdown mode. She just tweeted she wants has soo many requests on FB and considers it private and doesn’t know who the requests are from. She is getting a taste of celebrity in instant form poor thing.

  29. 05/25/2013 at 8:36 pm

    Tweet from Tara Kelley: I guess she wasn’t/isn’t a fan of Jodistein!!

    “@tarakelley320: @tarakelley320 I don’t need any JA supporters on my fb page that’s for sure!!!”

  30. Kristy
    05/25/2013 at 8:38 pm

    You know what really threw me for a loop during Jodi’s little PowerPoint, was the fact that treated spiders better than her own mom. Of course that isn’t the only thing, but at the time I thought she was working to get DP.

  31. LadyinRed
    05/25/2013 at 8:46 pm

    Donchais, I am moved to tears and beyond words with your beautiful musical tribute. Signing on now to send a donation! Thank you for CFJ and all of it’s wonderful members in your sendbox for Justice.

  32. 05/25/2013 at 8:49 pm

    Have a read of this everyone. It’s by someone who attended court re juror 18 and it’s very interesting!!! If you can’t get to it.. maybe take the .au off the address hope it works tho’


    • 05/25/2013 at 8:58 pm

      Ha you beat me to it! My link below has full address

  33. Schaeffer
    05/25/2013 at 8:51 pm

    As far as her “art” goes — if you do sketches of famous people, yet you have to tell people who the subject is, your work isn’t very good. (This is Frank Sinatra, this is Elvis Presley.) And unless my eyes are worse than I thought, wasn’t that t-shirt nothing more than purple letters on a white tee? How in the hell is that considered “designing”? As far as I can tell, it amounts to spelling.

    • Kristy
      05/25/2013 at 8:55 pm

      Her plagurized art is a joke.

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 9:07 pm

      Amen Schaeffer! The talking heads decided It wasn’t actually Elvis, it was their reporter, Mike Galanos! Lol!
      BTW, I’ve been wanting to tell you I saw your message to me, thank you!

      • Schaeffer
        05/25/2013 at 9:13 pm

        So glad to know you saw it. I was PISSED when I saw that nonsense!

      • Family of Law
        05/25/2013 at 9:58 pm

        Nonsense it was! And you were so nice to say the those kind words to me- very appreciated!

  34. 05/25/2013 at 8:57 pm

    Just picked this up off Justice for Travis FB page. Camille Kimball’s observations of jury foreman


    • 05/25/2013 at 9:14 pm

      good yours works!

      • 05/25/2013 at 10:01 pm

        Yeah but ya still beat me! Speaking of winners did you go to the Bombers game in Melb last night?

      • 05/25/2013 at 10:19 pm

        no but wishing I had got my BIL to get me tickets although dunno if he would have… one eyed Hawks supporters the lot of them!!!!

    • 05/25/2013 at 9:19 pm

      Thanks for that.

    • ringadingding
      05/25/2013 at 9:24 pm

      “And I know I won’t be the only one wishing he had thought less about how Jodi looked and focused more on how Travis looked after she was done with him.”

      Excellent observations. Thanks for posting that link.

    • Lisa M
      05/25/2013 at 9:45 pm

      Kimballs observations are very interesting. Reading them made me wonder if this fireman was the person who submitted the jury question early in the trial about whether the roommates had been investigated by the police. Based on his comments he obviously had a tough time believing Jodi did the crime.

      • Lisa M
        05/25/2013 at 9:47 pm

        Foreman not fireman (obviously!)

  35. Schaeffer
    05/25/2013 at 9:12 pm

    geri5699 :
    I thought her hair was bleached blonde and then colored dark over that just before she went to TA’s in june

    She colored it brown on 3 June, getting rid of that bleached blonde look. That is why she could “theoretically” have donated it, which I don’t believe she did.

    • 05/25/2013 at 9:18 pm

      I didn’t know that..

    • Kristy
      05/25/2013 at 9:29 pm

      I had cancer, and knew I was going to lose my hair, and decided to donate it based on my next door neighbor who did. I’d dyed my hair and when I went to the locks of love website, it was explicit about what it will accept. I didn’t bleach my hair previously, so it was acceptable.

      “Hair over bleached hair will not be accepted”.

      The website lists the rules for it will accept regarding hair.

      I can’t believe Jodi has her hair growing that fast, and why didn’t she provide any pics to the jury to prove this. She was allowed visitors at the time.

      • 05/25/2013 at 10:08 pm

        Kristy you OK now?

    • nyccowgirl
      05/25/2013 at 9:51 pm

      As Kristy said, they don’t take bleached hair even if it is colored over. Someone posted on another thread the whole instructions from locks of love. If someone sends it to them, they will just sell it and use the proceeds to cover other costs.

    • Janna
      05/25/2013 at 10:36 pm

      Wouldn’t there be someone on staff at the Estrelle Jail who could confirm or deny the Locks of Love donation by Arias?

      • 05/28/2013 at 1:37 am

        Janna- Someone on one of the night news contacted the Estrelle jail and they said they DO NOT do anything for or with locks of love. If Jodi wanted to do that she would have to have it cut by someone there who does the haircutting and Jodi herself would have to mail it to locks of love but mailed as a special delivery deliveeyin a box and what not. I wonder if someone could call locks to confirm of she did or not. I never donated before but a friend and my SIL did and they took her names. That would be awesome to find out and if she lied…call the news networks and spill for those jurors who fell for that bs! I’m sorry but in 5 years there’s no way to grow your hair that long 3 times ans never having short hai…idk. doesn’t jive with me.

  36. ringadingding
    05/25/2013 at 9:15 pm

    I just had a thought: now that JA is a convicted felon, wouldn’t a jury of her peers include Angela Simpson and her sisters? I sure hope Juan is on this because that would be AWESOME. Could you imagine the juror questions? Each one would surely start with “Bitch…”

    • 05/25/2013 at 9:25 pm

      Angela Simpson jury question to Jodisteain:

      I promised a guy sex to get him to the house, toyed with him for a few days then slit his throat and I remember it clearly and I’m glad I did it. Why don’t you just ‘fess up?

  37. Schaeffer
    05/25/2013 at 9:19 pm

    This is an article written by a man who has been in solitary confinement for 26 years; he went in at age 23. (He has been in solitary because he is an extreme escape risk.) I will give you a heads up that this is from an organization dedicated to abolishing solitary confinement, but that does not take away from this man’s first hand account of a life in solitary. Given his description, I think I would “beg for the death penalty” myself. Even WOBO may change her mind eventually if this is what she faces.


    • Lisa M
      05/25/2013 at 10:09 pm

      Wow Schaeffer where did u find that? Very powerful. So is solitary confinement reserved for maximum prisoners? I always thought those in the SHU were there for things they did while in prison. I know on Lock-Up they make it sound like that — or they’ll say the SHU is reserved for the worst of the worst. We tend to think of solitary like that I think, that prisoners are put in the “hole” because of bad behavior in prison, not as a matter of sentencing. How can someone spend 25 years in solitary? I mean it sounds like this guy has never had the opp to move into general population during this whole 25 years in prison.

      • Lisa M
        05/25/2013 at 10:16 pm

        Hey Schaeffer I just read your post again where u explained that he’s in solitary because he’s an extreme escape risk. So that answers my question!

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/25/2013 at 10:19 pm

      How this is not cruel and unusual is murky to me; all efforts around the world are to stop the death penalty but that seems much fairer than this.

      • Lisa M
        05/25/2013 at 10:46 pm

        It is definitely cruel and unusual. Sleep deprivation is a form of torture. But it’s out of sight out of mind. I also feel really badly for prison personnel who have to deal with the situation– cleaning out cells, etc. Can’t be fun.

    • 05/25/2013 at 10:31 pm

      Worse than death and not something to save yourself for for the benefit of your loving family.

    • MMD
      05/25/2013 at 10:32 pm

      That article really makes you think Schaeffer. I have never been a proponent for the DP until JA and I really want her to die and soon. Just off the earth, not even buried, just turned into a crispy critter and thrown out with the trash.

      I actually have compassion for this man and I have no idea how he has maintained his sanity for this length of time. It’s truly heartbreaking but maybe I feel this way because he has shown remorse and is capable of actual feelings, something JA is not. Maybe I’m simply projecting my feelings if in the same situation. All I know is that I think I would rather be given the DP than live in this man’s circumstances.

      Bottom line, I’m more confused as to what I feel should be an adequate punishment for his crime. JA, not budging on my position with her but there needs to be some type of overhaul of the justice system. Have no answers, nada, just lots of questions. 😦

  38. Schaeffer
    05/25/2013 at 9:32 pm

    In reading the list of what inmates may possess . . .inmates have to be on an approved list to purchase any arts and crafts items, and in maximum/death row, none are allowed. However, she is allowed 2 of those damn golf pencils.

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 10:33 pm

      Noooooooooo! I really wanted her to not have access to stubby pencils and paper! Maybe she’ll misbehave, and they’ll be taken away? Can you imagine the writers cramp she’s going to have? Nothing but time to “journal”!

  39. Kristy
    05/25/2013 at 9:34 pm

    Do I understand things correctly, in that Jodi is guaranteed the first part of her jail time in isolation no matter what? Those vids of what she has coming to her were chilling. I can only hope it’s true that she gets isolation and no golf pencils for a while, if ever!

  40. 05/25/2013 at 9:34 pm

    I wish Jad would look into that sex tape..something is so wrong there-Her old phone was just discovered in 2011 after being lost all that time..I don’t trust that low-life Searcy who gave her the new phone..

  41. 05/25/2013 at 9:36 pm

    Notice the men who fall for her…. there seems to be a theme in this trial at least .. Gus Searcy, Dr Dodgy, Jury Foreman even extending to Brewer who was nearly 20 years older than her.

    Not saying younger ones don’t also.. but seems the older ones fall easier for her I think it’s to do with when they were brought up and the differences between women then and now. Many from that era seem stuck in the old school mindset of what a woman ‘should be’ rather than realising how sexually manipulative and empowered women can be these days.

    Ok… Im not saying there were none like that in their generation, nor are all like that in this one…. but the nature of psychology and disorders versus psychotic neuroses is starkly different and was not applicable back then because culture was different.

    • Kristy
      05/25/2013 at 9:39 pm

      I agree with you, and always wondered why they weren’t more sleeved out with her “current look” as opposed to what we now know Darryl looks like. It made me think, damn he looks like he likes the young girls more than a guy close to Travis’s age.

      • Kristy
        05/25/2013 at 9:40 pm

        I meant skeeved out, but iPad auto corrects and I don’t always catch it.

    • ringadingding
      05/25/2013 at 9:43 pm

      I wonder if the judge blames herself for this, after all the crap she let the DT pull.

      • Kristy
        05/25/2013 at 9:49 pm

        Woulda, shoulda, coulda is too late now. Rookie DP judge, no telling how it woulda played out at this point. And fact of the matter is, we are where we are. Hopefully, it will be a no brainier for the next jury.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/25/2013 at 10:00 pm


    • Marilyn N
      05/25/2013 at 11:48 pm

      But that Darryl Brewer – yuk!!! How was she attracted to him? I do believe it was their
      tongues that made the connection!!😜

    • Kathy A.
      05/26/2013 at 10:56 am

      I agree with you. She also, like all good manipulators, is able to read people pretty quickly and spot their weaknesses. The guys mentioned in your post probably felt flattered by her, or wanted to take care of or “save” her. Not quite sure how it worked with La Violette, who was just as surely taken with her. It’s too bad the jury foreman can’t be charged with juror misconduct or something like that – it’s obvious he could not debate the penalty with impartiality. His comment about JA not lookiing like a killer is beyond ridiculous. Killers don’t normally “look like” killers or they wouldn’t be able to get near their victims. If Ted Bundy hadn’t presented himself as an attractive and charming man, he couldn’t have gotten women to voluntarily help him; if you’re a raving lunatic, drooling and screaming and appearing “like a killer should look”, well, people will stay away from you. Sounds like the foreman was so stuck in his defense of Jodi Arias that he wouldn’t even allow debate from the other jurors who decided life was the better option and contributed to the deadlock. Such a shame for everyone who has worked so tirelessly on Travis’s behalf. I’d like to know what happened between the unanimous guilty and cruel verdicts to the penalty phase.

      • Midnight Rider
        05/26/2013 at 8:06 pm

        I agree with you regarding LaToilette, Kathy, that she was also “taken” withWOBO. I have long been seriously wondering if she is attracted to women, especially as she is obviously such a man-hater! I also noticed all these old farts who seem so intent on being WOBO’s “white knight”!

  42. nyccowgirl
    05/25/2013 at 9:48 pm

    NancyB :
    It feels like all of the messages sent back to have wrapped around me like a big hug and filled me up to the brim. It was just what I needed today! Donchais’ sandbox has, by virtual osmosis, infused me with the great support that I’ve craved during this period of great loss. The daily camaraderie and humor have been very healing to me and I’m so grateful. All of the good stuff here has helped me to move on and to see that this has been a transition into the next journey and that’s a good thing! MWAH!

    I recently relocated after an assignment overseas. The guy I was seeing then is named Dale. After 40+ years, he was the one that broke me and taught me (and to appreciate) cuddling. It wasn’t the easiest childhood, and it took me awhile in college to even get used to hugs. It hasn’t been the smoothest transition back and I don’t really have friends here yet, but after following this blog for a couple of months, I also finally commented. As I was reading your post, the warm feelings with Dale and the isolation you felt afterwards just overwhelmed me. My heart bleeds for you. As much as others on this site contributed to positive moments in your day, I can honestly say you’ve contributed to positive moments in mine. Your web sleuthing skills are fierce, and there were days where you innocently responded to my posts that made me feel as if I wasn’t alone here. Thanks for all you do.

  43. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/25/2013 at 9:58 pm

    this from the website linked to above:

    teresa kellyMay 25, 2013 at 6:07 PM
    “As I look to find a reason to believe” ~Rod Stewart~ This juror has expressed what many have feared all along. My own husband has expressed he feels sorry for her though I show him those awful autopsy photos time and time again. These men are much like Travis in that there will be no amount of convincing to see otherwise until she heaps so much of her pain on them that they finally concede she is an evil person yet harmless. Travis didn’t know until those final immortalized moments. And where was Arias going with that 9mm and knives when she was arrested? About business I suppose. My ratio stands proven 4 out of 12 people could be easily murdered by Jodi Arias. Great read.”

    • Lisa M
      05/25/2013 at 10:13 pm

      Maybe next time arounf during penalty phase Juan should focus on those knives and gun she had with her to show how dangerous she is right after playing the jury the video of her saying she wouldn’t kill again unless someone abused her.

    • ringadingding
      05/25/2013 at 11:00 pm

      That last part reminds me of one of the best opening lines in children’s literature: “Where’s Papa going with that ax?” (Charlotte’s Web) Where *was* JA going with that 9mm? Did anyone know (or rather, tell)?

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/26/2013 at 12:11 am

        good one.

  44. 05/25/2013 at 10:15 pm

    “@elozanoAZR: Diane, “Juror No. 6” in the Jodi Arias trial in 12 News studio with Chris Williams. See tonite. Read Republic tmrw http://twitter.com/elozanoAZR/status/338476478704533504/photo/1”

    I just got this off twitter…. it means nothing to me.. is “12 News Studio” on tv over there????

    • nyccowgirl
      05/25/2013 at 10:26 pm

      looks like a local station

      • 05/25/2013 at 10:36 pm

        local to what?

    • MMD
      05/25/2013 at 10:38 pm

      12 news is AZcentral.com that provides one of the live streams for the trial. Chris Williams is the local tv reporter and Michael Kiefer is the has been defense leaning reporter for the print The Republic.

      • MMD
        05/25/2013 at 10:41 pm

        They’ll probably have her on the 11 news and post the interview online after that, unless they have a 12 news hour as well. Once they’ve gotten all the local live airplay on tv it should be posted.

      • 05/25/2013 at 10:57 pm

        kk azcentral.. ta 🙂

  45. Kristy
    05/25/2013 at 10:56 pm

    Essem :
    Kristy you OK now?

    Yes, I am thank you for asking, I’ve been clean for almost 10 years! Doctors told me that it was probably not going to come back, and every year i say yea!

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/26/2013 at 12:10 am

      it must be galling to see someone like wobo claim to be a “survivor” when so many people – like yourself – actually earn that title by undergoing the trauma and the pain and worry and expense.

    • 05/26/2013 at 12:37 am

      That’s great, and ditto I’m 10 years post brain tumour surgery just last Thursday. My mid/early 20’s kids sent me gorgeous flowers to work with a very touching card that had me in tears. My boss came in and saw the flowers and me crying said “who died?” I told him they were because I didn’t die 😂

      • Moon
        05/26/2013 at 12:47 am

        Congratulations! and continued good health~

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/27/2013 at 12:38 am

        So good for you! Look what you went through and here you are! Thanks for the good training of the people who worked on you and with you.

      • 05/27/2013 at 7:00 am

        Thanks guys, my neurosurgeon (aka Treasure) did his specialist training in Toronto so I am very grateful to all my new Canadian friends for that.

    • Moon
      05/26/2013 at 1:35 am

      Yay, that’s great Kristy!

    • Jill
      05/26/2013 at 12:06 pm

      Hi, I’m reading over these posts and I’m so glad to hear that you both are clean from cancer! I wish u only good health and happiness. I can’t believe the all the different horrible things that us ” kids ” in the sandbox have lived through. We r truly a strong bunch!

  46. Moon
    05/25/2013 at 10:57 pm

    Hello Juanderful People!

    Like some others in this group, I had to take some time away from the Hodi show. There were so many things I wanted to type out. I’ve been so upset and angry so I forced myself to take a needed break.

    I did read yesterday and today’s post, and like always, I am in awe of you all! What amazing people we have here, to share and laugh and cry together!

    Last night, right before hitting the sack, I read FOL’s great communication of getting her bother hooked on the show, and his brilliant words and especially saying either way this b`tch is f*cked!! I slept better! So please thank your brother from me too!!

    I headed off to the movies today, but of course had to scope out Donchais’ wonderful site first and I was so moved by everyone’s posts. Nancy I heart you! I couldn’t even finish reading because I was blubbering and my heart was aching for you. You are amazing, and so important to us here. Thank you for being you!

    Which makes me just continue to tear up as I think of everyone here, and how this bond has become so powerful and uplifting in so many ways to so many people! Donchais, you are a Master!! Your providing this place for us to gather is simply *amazing*.

    The past few days have been the most difficult of all, worrying and wondering about Travis’ family and the continued pain they have to endure. And I draw from them. On their courage and conviction On their Love for their brother and their family. On this journey of finding Justice for Travis.

    I’ve been trying to comfort myself by knowing that Juan is always many many steps ahead ~ perhaps he sensed the outcome after the ho’s dog n pony show. Saving the best of arguing the mitigating factors before a new jury?

    Heartfelt thanks to ALL of you, everyone!! What an fascinating assembly of people!


  47. Family of Law
    05/25/2013 at 11:00 pm

    Hi all! As some might have already noticed, the “Locks of Love” BS in JA’s plea, really pissed me off… So I have done a lot of looking into it- a couple threads back, I posted the “rules” from their website. To be certain I understood the rules, I emailed them to clarify.

    Hair that has been bleached at any time is NOT acceptable, even if it’s been dyed (color added to the shaft) afterwards. The fact that the hair has ever been bleached, makes it unusable.

    Therefore, it is IMPOSSIBLE that JA made a donation that was accepted, let alone 3. Her her was bleach blonde in May of 2008, she “added color” June 3rd. It is physically impossible that she had 10 inches of new (never been bleached) growth.

    This said, it is possible that one time- she got a haircut in Estella, and mailed her hair in… But it would not have been accepted, even if it was 10″ in “ponytail form”, they would either discarded it, or sold it, and used the $ for their operation costs.

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 11:11 pm

      From the “Locks of Love” website:


      -Hair that is colored or permed is acceptable.
      -Hair cut years ago is usable if it has been stored in a ponytail or braid.
      -Hair that has been bleached (usually this refers to highlighted hair) is not usable.  If unsure, ask your stylist.
      -We are not able to accept bleached hair due to a chemical reaction that occurs during the manufacturing process. **If the hair was bleached years ago and has completely grown out it is fine to donate.
      -Hair that is swept off of the floor is not usable because it is not bundled in a ponytail or braid.
      -Hair that is shaved off and not in a ponytail or braid is not usable. If shaving your head, first divide hair into multiple ponytails to cut off.
      -We cannot accept dreadlocks. Our manufacturer is not able to use them in our children’s hairpieces. We also cannot accept wigs, falls, hair extensions or synthetic hair.
      -Layered hair is acceptable if the longest layer is 10 inches. 
      -Layered hair may be divided into multiple ponytails.
      -Curly hair may be pulled straight to measure the minimum 10 inches.
      -10 inches measured tip to tip is the minimum length needed for a hairpiece.

      Please Note:

      Shorter hair will be separated from the ponytails and sold to offset the manufacturing costs. Although the shorter hair cannot be used in the hairpieces, it still greatly helps to reduce costs.
      Gray hair will be accepted and sold to offset the manufacturing costs.

      *****Colored hair is not usable if it is colored over bleached hair*****
      Because Locks of Love creates custom hairpieces for each child, we are unable to accept donations of wigs, falls, hair extensions or synthetic hair.

    • Kristy
      05/25/2013 at 11:21 pm

      I posted this above… based on my personal experience….

      We’re on the same page.

    • Kristy
      05/25/2013 at 11:27 pm

      See post #120 above regarding my personal experience and knowlegde of this.

  48. 05/25/2013 at 11:00 pm

    About the only thing I just got from the limited tweets I saw from azcentral is that Juror number 6 thought aggravating factors outweighed mitigating factors. – DIane

    • Family of Law
      05/25/2013 at 11:07 pm

      That’s what is so wrong! They were to leave “emotion” out of it, and apply the formula to assess if the mitigating factors out weighed the aggrevation factors. And you don’t need to be Einstein to do that math.

  49. 05/25/2013 at 11:11 pm

    Two questions I managed to see on twitter to Juror #6 via Chris Williams AzCentral

    Juror 6 answers

    Q. What did she think of the Gas Cans?
    A. “@chriswnews: The gas cans were key @KWeberArbor”

    Q. What did she think of Juan
    A. “@chriswnews: She was very impressed @juliepatrick31”

    • ringadingding
      05/25/2013 at 11:17 pm

      Okay, now I’m wondering if the DT rigged the way the judge determined alternates (not really…but it does smell pretty funky).

      • 05/25/2013 at 11:18 pm

        this is Juror 6.. not an alternate ringading

      • ringadingding
        05/25/2013 at 11:20 pm

        Oops. Sorry. I’ve got that alternate on my mind.

      • 05/25/2013 at 11:21 pm

        yeah this is a female juror 6…. I only caught the end of it cos I didnt realise it was azcentral until right near the end, lucky MMD told me so I caught tail end of some tweet answers.

        I tried to ask a question but it was too late 😦

      • ringadingding
        05/25/2013 at 11:24 pm

        Thanks! I’ll go look at the tweets.

    • Kristy
      05/25/2013 at 11:30 pm

      I’m glad others are rebutting the foreman.

    • ringadingding
      05/25/2013 at 11:32 pm

      I wish there were more! Here’s one I was happy to see:

      Q: Did she notice how much JA was not paying attention… Doodling, writing, etc ?
      A: @chriswnews:They noticed and it seemed disingenuous

      • Kristy
        05/25/2013 at 11:43 pm

        This should be a lesson to prosecutors. When DT gets the opportunity to throw the kitchen sink, odds are something may stick. Fortunately, Juan got M1 and aggravated. Jodi’s screwed and she knows it. Part of me wants LWOP, as she gets zero appeals at that point, unless someone ponies up the $$$. Not sure why anyone would.

      • 05/28/2013 at 3:25 am

        Ya never know…the foreman, lala, Daryl and Samuel Adams may chip in to cover the costs…

    • Kristy
      05/25/2013 at 11:39 pm

      The gas cans proved she was a continual liar thank god. We have to remember that she got premed and cruelty. Yes, she got some goat that fell for her little girl story, but she got 3 others. 4 is a bad number, no matter how much I hate it. I just want her to get isolation for years no matter what. Jodi’s gonna age, and she ain’t no toughie like that other wack job mentioned. After a few years in isolation her skills should be diminished somewhat, and she’ll age. I don’t believe the inmates will be awed by her schemes. They have nothing to gain by befriending her. She’s not going to come out of isolation miss popular.

  50. Moon
    05/25/2013 at 11:25 pm

    The snipets I’ve seen and articles read of foreman: Does anyone know when the first interview was given?? Who does he think he is kidding? I think he lied about not watching any coverage. He may not have ‘peeked’ until after the guilt and aggrivating phases, but if he was so sure there was a mob mentality… he peeked!

    I wanted to believe that the 4 that chose life did so because they didn’t want to have the ho appeal and appeal and continue to torture TA’s family. After hearing this yahoo, I know that’s not the case!

    His story infuriates me for so many reasons! I hate that he said he thought it was ‘unfair’ to ask them to decide. That they weren’t lawyers, blah blah blah. What part of being on a jury did he not understand?
    In this country, if you register to vote, you are automatically put in the jury pool. It’s a way of serving your country, to ensure that monsters are put away and not able to walk among us! What rock has he been hiding under? And the other 3 that followed his lead? Is that what happened? Were they scared off by wilnot trying to guilt them about ‘killing’ her? He stated that they all tried to keep their emotions out. Not possible if you ask me, but that doesn’t mean you let those emotions override your DUTY to just focus on the facts, just the facts. There is no way on God’s Earth that the mitigating factors outweighed the aggrevating factors.

    The fact that he said she doesn’t look like a murderer! WTF?? Are murderers only defined by what this feeble mind thinks they should look like? What was worse, he said “we don’t know WHY she did it”
    Which burns me to the core! When fn pervi wurmi said that, I commented on how he stole that one straight from Jose Baez, and it worked in the ho’s favor! HEY FHF, YOUR DUTY WAS NOT TO FIGURE OUT WHY!! He also so wrongly stated that she was innocent until found guilty!!!!!!!!!!!! WTH??? Guess he was sleeping when she admitted to the murder! She was guilty when she took the fn stand DUMBASS!

    • Schaeffer
      05/26/2013 at 2:37 am

      Moon, I agree with you! What in the hell was he doing on a jury — and a death qualified jury, at that — let alone being the foreman, when he thinks it is unfair to ask non-lawyers to judge a defendant? He is contradicting himself by saying he kept emotions out of it; he may have a different word for his bias, but it was a bias nevertheless. He reminds me of the people who teach their children only “monsters” or “bad guys” will hurt them; child abusers and molesters succeed because they manage to look “normal” when children are looking only for some wild-eyed movie version of a monster to hurt them.

      I continue to think there was a miscommunication between the jury foreman and the judge. I think he thought she would pull in the alternates to replace either those who didn’t agree with him, or those who wouldn’t “negotiate” to his satisfaction. That is the only thing that makes sense based on his statement about being “horrified” when a mistrial was declared.

      More and more states are changing the jury pool source list from voter registration rolls to driver license/state ID renewals, since it was “determined” that only using voter registration lists did not include a true cross section of candidates across race/age/gender/education/income lines. Some states use a combination of both, including AZ. If this is what we are getting from a changed selection process, I would say we have not improved the system.

      • 05/28/2013 at 3:42 am

        Do you think he can be in any kind of trouble or whatever because he is clearly stating he doesn’t believe it was their job to decide? Why the hell would he agree to participate if he felt that way? He also commented as Moon said, that she didn’t look like a murderer. Isn’t that considered stereotyping which is a big no no when asked questions to quality for being on the jury? He’s being totally judgemental and obviously didn’t follow many of the rules. They probably had to let him to be the foreman because he volunteered himself and wouldn’t allow anyone else. There has to be some kind of repercussions for contradicting his agreement and oath .

  51. 05/25/2013 at 11:26 pm

    During the Jodi’s father’s interview with Flores after she was arrtested, the father said Jodi told him she was going on a road trip and had some books packed in the rental car to return to Matt and the knives were darryl’s and she was going to return them.. . She told him they had gotten mixed up with her stuff when she moved from DB’s house and wanted to return them..He also discussed the recently purchased 9mm.. I think those 2 guys were going to get it because no one knew about the gas cans yet but her and DB..Also there is the DVD player (after she left DB’s she turned around to return the remote )

    • 05/28/2013 at 4:02 am

      Do you think those knives were “thee knives?” The ones used as opposed to the knife Stabby claimed she used used from Travis’s house. Ya know the one she “thinks” she put in the dishwasher? As for the DVD player-Could that be the one that was “stolen” from the grandparents house when the .25 caliber was taken? She could have had hidden it until she could give it to someone else to get rid of the evidence.

      When you say tou think those 2 guys were going to get it, do you mean get it as in her killing them too? As for the remote, why the hell did she nees to turn around to bring it back? She couldn’t wait until she returned?

  52. 05/25/2013 at 11:31 pm

    Does anyone know if JM can call Matt M to testify during the next phase of the trai:?? About the forged letters???

    • Kristy
      05/25/2013 at 11:46 pm

      He can’t force MM to testiphy. MM was a suspect witness by both teams, hence why he wasn’t used by either side.

      • Family of Law
        05/26/2013 at 1:27 am

        Actually, the State could subpoena MM, forcing him to testify- but Juan won’t. For a long list of reasons, MM. Would likely do more harm than good.

  53. 05/25/2013 at 11:33 pm


  54. 05/25/2013 at 11:37 pm

    oops gotta go.. BF said he’s going to “pull an Arias” if I don’t get off the ipad and go out with them!

    ;( 😈 ➡ Gone ➡

    • anna
      05/25/2013 at 11:39 pm


    • Family of Law
      05/26/2013 at 1:30 am

      Lol! Don’t make him do that! (it won’t be “his fault” tho)

  55. anna
    05/25/2013 at 11:38 pm

    Beautiful video to start this sandbox donchais…thank you for that.

  56. anna
    05/25/2013 at 11:42 pm

    ok, one hopefully quick question: did Robert really exit Rotterdam?

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/25/2013 at 11:54 pm

      hey Anna! Yes I did. At least for a while. Am in the States now. Just chceking in here and saw you!

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/25/2013 at 11:55 pm

        that is home bout half the year; maybe

  57. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/26/2013 at 12:02 am

    I keep thinking all those months, all those sidebars and approaches, all that money, all so that a jury could “determine the facts’ and “render a verdict” and when it came right down to it at the end, the instructions were screwed up and the whole concept of their role was obviously not very well understood. .

    • GN5020
      05/26/2013 at 7:49 am

      If their was misunderstanding of their role, my guess is that the foreman took the lead on misguiding them further.

  58. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/26/2013 at 12:06 am

    Thinking of getting a magazine to Ms Angela Sampson at the prison, Maybe pencil in at the bottom of page 5 that the “answers” will be on page 45. And then on page 7 have the word “is” and on page 26 the word “Jodi” on page 31 “a” and on page 17 “snitch” Then on page 45 have: 26,7,31,17.

    • 05/26/2013 at 12:53 am

      Oh Robert you are killing me on this topic😜. Ding dong the bitch is dead 😈

      • 05/26/2013 at 4:53 am

        I did mean to say bitch in lieu of witch per Wizard of OZ but would like to edit to Ding Dong the SNITCH is dead in keeping with the theme 👿

    • Family of Law
      05/26/2013 at 1:31 am

      I’m still giggling over “pssssssst, JA is a snitch, pass it on”!

      • Janna
        05/26/2013 at 10:23 am

        To Essem, Robert & FOL – can’t stop laughing at you 3

    • Lisa M
      05/26/2013 at 11:27 am

      Robert that was a good one!!

  59. Family of Law
    05/26/2013 at 1:19 am

    Kristy :
    I had cancer, and knew I was going to lose my hair, and decided to donate it based on my next door neighbor who did. I’d dyed my hair and when I went to the locks of love website, it was explicit about what it will accept. I didn’t bleach my hair previously, so it was acceptable.
    “Hair over bleached hair will not be accepted”.
    The website lists the rules for it will accept regarding hair.
    I can’t believe Jodi has her hair growing that fast, and why didn’t she provide any pics to the jury to prove this. She was allowed visitors at the time.

    Hi Kristy – Thank you for sharing your personal experience… I hope you are doing very well now. I love that you donated to locks of love, preemptive of losing your hair, that was a wonderful gesture. One of my best friends has been stage four, since October of 2009- given her fight, it pisses me off that JA “played the cancer card” (as my pal refers to it) in her “don’t kill me plea”!!

  60. nyccowgirl
    05/26/2013 at 1:45 am

    reading juror 17’s twitter and she said that it wasn’t one of the jurors that snitched on juror 5.

  61. nyccowgirl
    05/26/2013 at 1:50 am
  62. Douglme
    05/26/2013 at 2:36 am

    nyccowgirl :
    geri – seems so according to this blog http://camillekimball.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/jury-foreman-for-jodi-arias-crime.html

    Wow, just reading some of the comments on Camille’s blog and there are a lot of angry people. That foreman should probably be watching his back…

  63. Jill
    05/26/2013 at 3:04 am

    Hi everyone…did anyone see this yet?
    I found this about the jury foreman if any wants to see it…http://www.linkedin.com/pub/bill-zervakos/8/8b9/709?_mSplash=1. I’m bad at trying to give links so I hope you can copy and paste it….

    • GN5020
      05/26/2013 at 7:48 am

      No wonder he is instantly cruising the media – he is probably thinking this will help his radio show. Also, considering his comment about JA being crucified by public opinion, there is NO WAY he didn’t follow the media while serving on the jury. A producer of a radio show? No frickin way.

  64. 05/26/2013 at 4:03 am

    Syn found topical doco on ABC iView “Inside Solitary Confinement” on US prisons. It’s available for another 9 days.

    Interestingly saw On Trial (not on iview) on ABC Thurs nights televised trials in WA Supreme Court. I watched bc my Mum told me about it and was surprised to see one of Adelaide’s QCs as senior counsel for defence. That trial is over, not sure how many episodes left in series.

    Ha Crows just won by 1 point in last 16 secs of game!!!

  65. 05/26/2013 at 5:00 am

    I guess the positive side to this foreman’s reasons coming out after a hung verdict, what if the verdict came out Life with parole verdict and we heard how he reasoned that poor little Jodi was verbally mentally abused and didn’t fit the look? Spitting chips now but at least a new jury gets another go and Alexanders/Juan are not bound by that verdict.

  66. easygoing
    05/26/2013 at 7:30 am

    hey sandboxers. doing a test here……don’t know if I’ll come up right…….

  67. easygoing
    05/26/2013 at 7:31 am

    crap! donchais, I created a new name and I’m in moderation….sorry……putting myself in the naughty corner now. ➡

    • ringadingding
      05/26/2013 at 10:04 am

      That you, janeto?

      • janeto
        05/26/2013 at 4:02 pm

        that were me ring…. 🙂 how the heck did u know??? You’re good!! didnt seem to work right.. now my email on my phone is screwed up. 😡 im not seeing the site in my email like normal… just garbage from wordpress. I can see other emails fine, but not this one. So ihave to go to a bookmark…..no fun at all!!!

  68. GN5020
    05/26/2013 at 7:56 am

    Question: If the next set of mitigation factors also include “She was a good friend”, and they get Darryl and a couple of others on the stand, could JM rebut with Travis’s friends who knew Jody and tried to warn him away, including the Hughes?

    Unfortunately, I/m afraid the list will be much shorter next time: (1) She was abused, and (2) She has BPD — and we will have to endure more of Samuels and ALV.

    • Lisa M
      05/26/2013 at 11:35 am

      I don’t understand what the prosecutor can and can’t include in the penalty phase. Maybe someone else can clarify? I’m assuming that, like in the regular trial, the defense has objected to certain things, or certain things have been considered prejudicial so weren’t allowed in. But I really don’t know. I know you can’t re-argue the case in chief, so I guess that would limit a lot. I just wish I knew if what Juan didn’t bring in to the penalty phase was his choice, or if there were things or people he would have presented if he could have but was blocked by the rules if the penalty phase or be the DT.

      • Lisa M
        05/26/2013 at 11:36 am

        The rules OF the penalty phase

      • Lisa M
        05/26/2013 at 11:37 am

        Or BY the DT. Geesh!

  69. janeto
    05/26/2013 at 7:56 am

    Well heck, nevermind donchais. I’ll just stick to my old name…. 😥

    • MMD
      05/26/2013 at 9:15 am

      What’s wrong with your old name darlin’?

      • Janna
        05/26/2013 at 10:35 am

        Good morning Princess Canuck

      • janeto
        05/26/2013 at 4:09 pm

        Hi mmd. Lets just say someone is getting a bit “snoopy” & reading my comments on my computer. then wondering why i continue to talk when the trial isnt going on…”what do you all have to talk about when nothing is going on with the trial???”

    • Janna
      05/26/2013 at 10:34 am

      Easygoing Janet O’Longhorn works for me girl (grin)

      • janeto
        05/26/2013 at 4:17 pm

        Lol Janna! Hey, watching Nebraska & longhorns trying to get to the college world series in softball!! My second favorite time of the year!!! Go lady horns!! Hook em!

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/26/2013 at 1:53 pm

      is this “cool breeze” and “easy going”? Hey! Don’t confuse us! You’re janeto–sometimes in blue, sometimes in green. Live with it!

      • janeto
        05/26/2013 at 4:12 pm

        You r so funny Robert!! Everyone, if you see easy going, or coolbreeze, its me!! Having a little jealousy on me always wanting to chat with my friends…

  70. janeto
    05/26/2013 at 7:58 am

    Hellooooooo! Good morning here……Anyone out there???

    • 05/26/2013 at 8:42 am

      I’m here, darling. 🙂
      Are you still here?

  71. janeto
    05/26/2013 at 8:03 am

    @bubble, chief, stephanie, and all others that I don’t know who have served, thank you for your service for our country, putting your lives on the line for all of us, and Happy Memorial Day! Saying a prayer for those that didn’t “come home.” 😥

    • 05/26/2013 at 8:45 am

      Yes indeed. I am humbled by their service for us.

    • nyccowgirl
      05/26/2013 at 9:29 am

      a tribute to those who lost their lives for our freedom. a heartfelt thank you!

      • Beans
        05/26/2013 at 10:05 am

        Thanks for posting this vid. NYC. While we mourn for all those who have sacrificed for us I would like to make special mention of Capt. Nichola Goddard, the first Canadian woman to die in combat while fighting in Afghanistan. No vet is more important than any other but her story is truly inspirational.

      • Jill
        05/26/2013 at 12:23 pm

        Ty for this. As we remember those who lost their lives fighting for us, this video is a great tribute.

  72. MMD
    05/26/2013 at 9:13 am

    Morning all – anyone here???? Just watched the interview with Chris Williams with Juror #6 and hope they will post the rest of the interview soon.

    • nyccowgirl
      05/26/2013 at 9:46 am

      seems they all agreed to take the weekend off and not do any interviews until next week. a lot of the jurors are pissed at the foreman for immediately breaking that pact and supposedly will be coming out and speaking up now, especially since he is giving the impression that he was speaking on their behalf. they agreed not to disclose who voted for what and can only disclose what they individually did. i suspect that the ones that voted dp will all come out and be accounted for. for those who have been harsh on the judge, juror 17 noted that she highly respected the judge as she treated the jurors well and was passionate in what she was doing. i’m glad since as a spectator, she can be perceived as being DT biased but she didn’t come off that way in court.

    • Janna
      05/26/2013 at 10:37 am

      Good morning Princess Canuck.

  73. nyccowgirl
    05/26/2013 at 9:22 am

    JA’s supporters are up to their doctoring evidence again. Got caught up on Tara Kelley’s twitter, and they were warning her about increasing security on her fb page as a JA groupie had supposedly screen shot a posting she did re: JA and Mexicans and sent it to Wilmot, perhaps to throw out the other verdicts because of jury. Tara said that no such post ever existed and she had to temporarily deactivate her account. I’m not savvy enough to figure out how you guys post the actual pics on here.

    • MMD
      05/26/2013 at 9:34 am

      Morning nyc 😀 Isn’t amazing how many crazies there are in the world and what they will do when incensed. Plus you have to bear in mind the Innocent site and so much is courtesy of a pr firm 😉

      • nyccowgirl
        05/26/2013 at 9:39 am

        morning mmd. i just don’t understand why all this evidence about her team making up stuff such as ped letters, supposed death threats, etc. are not brought up into evidence like the coded message to tamper with witnesses, although that was glossed over and didn’t get brought up in closings or penalty phases.

      • MMD
        05/26/2013 at 9:52 am

        neither do I but the legal eagles can probably answer it. Some could be considered prejudicial, unable to link clearly to people who wouldn’t commit perjury. As it is, look at how many people committed perjury or were restricted only to narrow aspects of the info.

        It drives me nuts how many rights the defendant has while the victim seems to have none!!!!!!!!! Notice how the defense abandoned their self defense when it came to the cruelty phase. Makes me want to hurl 😦

  74. 05/26/2013 at 9:51 am

    “Hey Jo, where you going with that gun in your hand?”

    • nyccowgirl
      05/26/2013 at 9:52 am

      “where the sun doesn’t shine – it’s my dildo”

    • 05/26/2013 at 9:56 am

      “Goin down to shoot my old (lady) ya know I caught (her) messin round with another (man)”

  75. 05/26/2013 at 9:56 am

    Good morning 🙂
    I am going to bring up a point I read elsewhere for the savvy folks on here.

    I chose not to listen to the benighted fool’s interviews save for the snippet I saw on GMA … Reading about it was enough to piss me off. However, a point made by another commenter regarding the dickhead foreman, mentioned him as being shocked at the mistrial … shocked that it didn’t mean the WHOLE TRIAL… In other words, thinking it would invalidate the whole trial, I.e. the M1 conviction. This person theorizes that he probably agreed to the convictions thinking this last phase, and being unable to unanimously come to a sentencing verdict, would throw out the conviction and thus his poor little waif would be set free. You know, more and more I am thinking there maybe SOMETHING to this. Any thoughts?

    • MMD
      05/26/2013 at 10:02 am

      Morning CC and bubble – good find CC!!!! Wouldn’t surprised me in the least!!!! No way did he want her convicted, imo.

      • 05/26/2013 at 10:06 am

        Morning, honey! Since I didn’t listen to any interviews and he has not stopped yammering I was wondering if any of this came out in his media blitz….the way he has been explaining it almost defies him having voted for M1… unless there was another motive….
        The mind reels …………..

    • nyccowgirl
      05/26/2013 at 10:06 am

      this is also an interesting theory:

      Jeffrey Evan Gold · 12,971 like this
      21 minutes ago ·
      Tweets have to be >140 characters. Lawyers hardly think in less than 1400 characters. I’ll expand a #jodiarias tweet here in good old FB that was too cryptic in twittereze. However, its a detail of case than I would not usually post in FB which I leave for broad topics not tweeter minutia . So now my FB friend s may be just as confused by my clarification to my twitter followers. But here goes. The court announced to media a question by was coming not a verdict. The public information office had a 1hr delay for verdict agreed but not so on Qs. Hung juries are not verdicts and we all knew (at least talking to me) that hung juries come as Qs simply because they are not final until the judge declares a mistrial. They are not verdicts which must be unanimous and you can’t be unanimous about not being unanimous. Doesn’t work that way. Now we now know that the jury foreman was in minority and pro life. He almost immediately the day before asked jury Q to judge what happens if we are deadlocked. Judge gave what is called a dynamite charge which says go back and break the logjam in other words keep debating. The foreman controls debate and votes often. In this case being in minority did he steer case to a hung jury by not encouraging true debate? Because he was in minority? Well when we got into court fie that second question, all were present but no Arias family which like we thought it was just a Q. When the judge read the jury has a verdict many were shocked. Wow a verdict! This is over! I now think the judge was shocked too because if you watch her face on tape (could not see in court) she appears so when she then gets to the non verdict part of the verdict… we cannot reach a unanimous verdict. Some mistake her look for sympathy for Alexanders. But it was disappointment I think that verdict was nit reached after a glimmer if hope raised when she saw verdict form instead of a Q. Which brings me back to the forman who choose to use verdict form rather than report jury was still hung and could not reach a verdict. Did he do this on purpose? To make his point that the jury was done and did not want another dynamite charge? He was in minority after all and debate more often sways minority. We will never know. Judge could have not accepted non verdict verdict and asked parties if they wanted another charge. A second charge is always appeal ready though anyway. So it was declared a mistrial. Its a small twitter type point, not grand FB one, but I just wonder how much the foreman who ended up on GMA next day really did his job to get a verdict vs being happy to get out of there with the ball still in Life’s court, which was his vote. He certainly could not get on TV fast enough to persuade the public of his view. Just sayin’.

      • ringadingding
        05/26/2013 at 10:17 am

        I hope the other jurors clear this up in their interviews. But the one I really want to hear from is the judge. By the way, which feed where you watching where you saw her face? I could only see the DT and Alexanders’ faces.

      • HJ Madison
        05/26/2013 at 10:29 am

        ~~Morning All~~

        That makes so much sense! Especially him taking to the airwaves so quickly.

        BTW, I don’t think at all he saw trial coverage. His first interview with GMA (and the only one I watched) made no refernce at all. That comment came after his FB blew up.

      • nyccowgirl
        05/26/2013 at 10:31 am

        yeah i was confused as i didn’t see her face either. that was coming from the poster. must have been a news clip that he saw it.

      • MMD
        05/26/2013 at 11:38 am

        Interesting and he raises good points. He is usually very straightforward and calls it like he sees it. I like him.

    • ringadingding
      05/26/2013 at 10:10 am

      Wow. Now that’s a twist I didn’t consider.

  76. 05/26/2013 at 9:58 am

    *may be…..not maybe
    This iPad pisses me off sometimes. Pffft

  77. 05/26/2013 at 10:09 am

    Morning all.

    • 05/26/2013 at 10:10 am

      Morning, bubbles … 🙂

    • Beans
      05/26/2013 at 10:24 am

      Good morning Bubble and thank you for your service.

    • 05/26/2013 at 10:34 am

      Oops…. Sorry about making you plural… Though that would be a nice thing to have more than one. 🙂

  78. nyccowgirl
    05/26/2013 at 10:09 am

    Tune into Good Morning America on #ABC15this morning for an exclusive interview with three jurors who sat on the #JodiArias trial.— ABC15 Arizona (@abc15) May 26, 2013

    • Janna
      05/26/2013 at 10:58 am

      Thanks for the link. Interesting to learn juror occupations:

      Kevin the banker …. Diane the retired 911 worker …. Mary Lou the ER Nurse.

      I was 99% certain someone on the jury had a medical background based on questions to ME after his testimonies.

  79. nyccowgirl
    05/26/2013 at 10:10 am

    bugger…sorry donchais, i’m in moderation. anyways, 3 jurors will be on GMA this morning but i’m west coast time so it’s probably already on for the east coasters.

    • nyccowgirl
      • ringadingding
        05/26/2013 at 10:22 am

        Thanks cowgirl!

      • Beans
        05/26/2013 at 10:23 am

        Great clip NYC. thanks.

      • Lisa M
        05/26/2013 at 11:52 am

        Thanks so much for the link! I am so impressed with those jurors. They got it right. They are so intelligent and they all knew they were being played by Jodi. It’s so enlightening to hear from some of the other jurors (besides the foreman) and to hear how they felt about Jodi as in no remorse, etc. Thanks again cowgirl!

      • Moon
        05/26/2013 at 12:12 pm

        good morning! ty so much for this video.

        i’m now hoping no more jurors speak out until the next round. I sure don’t want the duhfense ‘using’ any of these statements to their advantage for next round…..

      • MMD
        05/26/2013 at 12:24 pm

        Thanks nyc – interesting to see these jurors because I think alot of talking heads figured that it would be the women that would not be able to give her the DP.

  80. Beans
    05/26/2013 at 10:15 am

    Mornin’ everybody, hope you’re having a better MMD.

    • Beans
      05/26/2013 at 10:25 am

      a better “day”.

      • nyccowgirl
        05/26/2013 at 10:27 am

        freudian slip? lol morning beans!

      • HJ Madison
        05/26/2013 at 10:31 am

        So glad you clarified! Thought MMD had been pretty good to you — but one never knows with you Canucks! 😉

      • MMD
        05/26/2013 at 11:27 am

        Awe, he’s just being nice and polite- we all Canucks still together, right Beans 😀

      • MMD
        05/26/2013 at 11:46 am

        lol “stick”

    • MMD
      05/26/2013 at 11:19 am

      still there Beans but it is a tad better. My rant I did on the phone didn’t help 😦

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/26/2013 at 4:50 pm

      Beans–was hoping to catch you “live” but I’ll leave this here. Your post of Steinbeck on Cathy from EofE was very illuminating. When you first mentioned her, I relied on my original response to her years ago – she was the “symbol” of evil, like characters from the morality plays of old. I took her as that, and a part of me never believed her “as a person.” The same was true of Iago in “Othello”–he was “motiveless” and a “sign” of evil but surely a “symbol” to mix in with the other characters. What this trial and this blog has given me is a whole new understanding of “people” like this. Ive now read articles and books on psychopaths. I see that it was my own naivete about such people that restricted my sense of what was “visceral”
      in a character. Shakespeare and Steinbeck knew what I had to learn. And wobo has given me insight into both those “fictional” characters that I did not have before.

      • 05/26/2013 at 7:36 pm

        RER what other books/novels would you suggest along these lines? I never read EofE so I’ll start with that one.

  81. 05/26/2013 at 10:40 am

    Bubble, Bubbles, BB, whatever

    • nyccowgirl
      05/26/2013 at 10:45 am

      morning whatever 😉

    • 05/26/2013 at 10:54 am

      How does Mr. Bubbles sound? Either way I have the utmost respect for you. Thank you for servix. My son just got out of the Navy after five years. He’s adjusting to life and his family. Concerns me. Thank you once again.

      • 05/26/2013 at 10:54 am

        Arghhhhh!! I meant for your service

      • MMD
        05/26/2013 at 11:26 am

        Hey bubble – I thought you had been upgraded to Captain Bubble????? 😀

    • Janna
      05/26/2013 at 11:28 am

      I prefer “Captain” Bubbles

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/26/2013 at 1:42 pm

        Yeah. I was on the “review board” for that one. there was talk to raise him a rank and the decision was to leapfrog him to”Captain” because of his outstanding leadership at a time of crisis. So there it is. Not corporal or sarge or lieutenant. “Captain Bubble” front and center!

  82. HJ Madison
    05/26/2013 at 10:45 am

    nyccowgirl :
    morning mmd. i just don’t understand why all this evidence about her team making up stuff such as ped letters, supposed death threats, etc. are not brought up into evidence like the coded message to tamper with witnesses, although that was glossed over and didn’t get brought up in closings or penalty phases.

    Each piece of evidence like that is considered individually and it has to be real, not something we speculate on. The pedo-letters — no one could use because they were fake and we don’t know their actual origin (was it MM trying help his pal? was it JA?) We can speculate but we don’t know. The magazine messages DID get brought up in closing and no doubt helped with the 1st degree premeditated conviction. I don’t know about death threats ….

    • nyccowgirl
      05/26/2013 at 10:49 am

      HJ, what are your thoughts on why the Hughes weren’t brought in to rebut the innuendos and speculations made of their communication to TA, especially by la toilette?

      • HJ Madison
        05/26/2013 at 11:05 am

        Hughes were a double edged sword and here is why. There is a fascinating video clip Bubble reminded me of …. let me go find it and you will understand why.

      • Kristy
        05/26/2013 at 11:08 am

        I think they would not be candidates since they were on tv talking about the case.

      • MMD
        05/26/2013 at 11:22 am

        They were not brought in because they had access to all of TA’s emails. Apparently they got in by accident, maybe his phone as well so the defense could argue that if any of the emails were tampered with, it could have been by the Hughes. They talked about this on Dr. Drew because they read every drop of correspondence trying to figure out what it was that Travis was so upset about and couldn’t figure it out.

      • nyccowgirl
        05/26/2013 at 11:36 am

        Kristy – they only did the media circuits after guilt phase as they were under subpoena.

  83. Kristy
    05/26/2013 at 11:11 am

    I have a question? Did Jodi have in her possession Travis’s journals and was that brought up during trial? If not, why not.

    It seems that was theft or could it not be proved that Jodi stole his journals?

    • MMD
      05/26/2013 at 11:24 am

      She is thought to have stolen his journals and they were not recovered. Travis had given at least one to the Hughes for safekeeping because he did not trust JA but they were turned over to Det. Flores, probably by subpoena.

    • Kristy
      05/26/2013 at 11:30 am

      They were sure there were missing journals. Geeze, Jodi must have a hidden cache of her Travis treasures some where. Did they ever find the ring Jodi stole from Travis. Did Jodi claim Travis gave it to her, or was it surmised Jodi stole that as well?

      • MMD
        05/26/2013 at 11:33 am

        It was never found and he always assume that she stole it. For all we know she could have pawned it or MM or Gussy could have it. We’ll probably never know.

      • Janna
        05/26/2013 at 11:38 am

        I too believe JA has a well-hidden cache of Travis trophy/treasures.

  84. MMD
    05/26/2013 at 11:14 am

    Sorry sandboxers – didn’t mean to dump and run but a friend called, had heard the non verdict and figured it would be safe to call because I would be calmed down by now. 😉 Needless to say, I just did a massive rant and am more pissed than ever!!!!!! 😡

  85. Janna
    05/26/2013 at 11:24 am


    Thank you for sharing the very somber story about your husband Dale and sweet Dottie Doodle. I was interrupted by an enormous wave of tears and couldn’t finish reading about your experiences. It took me awhile to revisit your words of grief and finally get to the end.

    If possible, I’d hop in the car and drive to see you in a New York minute just to wrap my arms around you and comfort you with hugs and love. Like you, I too am a newcomer to the sandbox. In my humble Midwest opinion, you’re a flower in the sand. Your messages always grab my attention and I’m thankful to learn from your life experiences.

  86. MMD
    05/26/2013 at 11:32 am

    Ok I’ve missed a couple people. Good morning/afternoon to Janna, Kristy, HJ, BrightGirl, ring and last but never least Beans! 🙂 ************waves***********

    Morning donchais 😀

    • Janna
      05/26/2013 at 11:36 am

      As a relative new sandboxer, I’m wondering about initials M. M. D. ?????

      Is the MD for Medical Doctor?

      • MMD
        05/26/2013 at 11:42 am

        LOL no, although some people at different hospitals would think that when I would fly in from Ontario when my Mum was in the hospital. it stands for My Mother’s Daughter 🙂

    • 05/26/2013 at 2:55 pm

      Good afternoon by now to you MMD. Just checking in quickly. Why does life get in the way?

  87. nyccowgirl
    05/26/2013 at 11:38 am

    nothing new here but for syn, in case you haven’t seen this yet. don’t think she’ll be invited to another interview.

    Visit NBCNews.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy

  88. Kristy
    05/26/2013 at 11:38 am

    MMD, thx for the answers. Was the resort Jodi worked at adult only? I thought I’d seen than when I googled, but I could be mistaken.

    • MMD
      05/26/2013 at 11:44 am

      I don’t know but probably. It is a very fru fru type resort and very expensive.

    • Janna
      05/26/2013 at 11:44 am

      Ventana Inn & Spa


      Maybe due to cost, the Prosecution didn’t pursue testimony from former co-workers at Ventana. I do remember reading about Arias temper tantrums and outbursts when she worked there with Darryl.

    • Kristy
      05/26/2013 at 11:53 am

      I thought that was where I saw it, and it’s got clothing optional pools. There is no doubt in my mind that Jodi wanted to mimic the rich chicks there, and got her boobs, and most likely cleanly shaven or lasered hooha there.

      I don’t know why Juan didn’t bring up her working at a resort that had clothing optional pools. He should have asked her if she waitresses at the clothing optional pools.

  89. Family of Law
    05/26/2013 at 11:50 am

    Good morning, afternoon and evening all!

    Has anybody seen this? It’s an interview on FOX with the former Attoney General in Arizona. He discusses the likelyhood of the plea processes.

    • Kristy
      05/26/2013 at 11:59 am

      Interesting. I’m still confused as to whether they will offer her just 25 years. I hope not. I want Jodi in isolation for a few years no matter what.

    • Lisa M
      05/26/2013 at 12:01 pm

      Thanks for posting FOL. Like he said theres no way JA would ever take a plea for LWOP but I doubt the state will offer her any other plea. He said something about 25 years to life. Don’t see that happening either.

    • Kristy
      05/26/2013 at 12:03 pm

      I agree with him, Jodi loves the limelight, it seems that she loves her notoriety. I think she sees herself as Roxie Hart from the move Chicago.

    • MMD
      05/26/2013 at 12:10 pm

      Morning FOL 😀 Wow does this former AG have JA’s number!!!! Wish he had been a juror! 😉

    • Family of Law
      05/26/2013 at 12:12 pm

      I’m under the impression that the State will push hard for retrial, and has no intention to make a plea deal of any kind. I can only see two possibilities that would change their minds 1. Political pressure (upcoming elections, budgetary, etc). 2. The family decides they cannot go through the process again. I don’t think either of those 2 scenarios are likely.

      • Janna
        05/26/2013 at 12:22 pm

        I like the unexpected cooling off period, plus we have CMJA in isolation 23 hours a day and off camera for the next several weeks. Honestly, I think the State of Arizona would have egg in their face if they attempt to plea. Hopefully the Alexander will stay the course.

      • Moon
        05/26/2013 at 12:32 pm

        I sure hope so! from the start, she wanted that plea deal and threatened to drag Travis through the mud if she didn’t get it.
        I still want to believe that Juan will carry on to push for a DP sentence

    • Moon
      05/26/2013 at 12:26 pm

      ty for this link

      scary to think what’s to come…

    • GN5020
      05/26/2013 at 1:00 pm

      I wholeheartedly agree with him about JA not taking a LWOP plea deal, because she loves the attention and process of continuing to fight, and after the 8-4 decision would believe the next jury would have an even harder time voting for Death. She’ll take her chances that AZ will want to save money and end up offering her LWP and she’ll be out in 20 years (25 minus time served). My only hope is that she is in isolation for 3 years, then is in constant fear of other inmates until someone permanently wipes that smirk off her face before her first parole hearing.

    • GN5020
      05/26/2013 at 1:05 pm

      Also, Moon, the plea deal JA wanted in exchange for her not accusing TA of being a pedophile, was for 2nd Degree which would have been a much shorter sentence (could have been 8-10 years minus her 5 years time served). I think the Alexander family should feel vindicated, no matter what Life plea might be offered, just to have her found Guilty of 1st Degree. She will suffer for many years to come.

      • Moon
        05/27/2013 at 3:03 am

        OHHH ok!! and TG that yes ~ she is GUILTY!! That is sooo sweet

  90. Janna
    05/26/2013 at 11:51 am

    MMD :
    LOL no, although some people at different hospitals would think that when I would fly in from Ontario when my Mum was in the hospital. it stands for My Mother’s Daughter

    Ohhhh how sweet. I love that. Are you the only daughter? I have 6 sisters so I would do MMOD or MMFD (my mother’s oldest daughter or my mother’s first daughter). Best and most accurate description would be MLH (mother’s little helper). HAHAHA

    • MMD
      05/26/2013 at 12:05 pm

      Nope, I’m an only and I had her medical power of attorney. After my Mum passed away I was fighting with some relatives, who I no longer have any contact with, over her funeral which was preplanned, prepaid and she had even written her own obit, which I dropped off. (btw, I told her I was going to add that she was survived by 3 granddogs and name them, which I did). Anyway, I knew exactly what she wanted about everything from finances to her funeral. I just kept saying over and over “I’m my mother’s daughter and this is what she wanted” to people who tried to get me to change numerous things and I wanted to stay true to her wishes.

      • Janna
        05/26/2013 at 12:13 pm

        3 granddogs! Adorable. I have “an only” and he’s my EVERYTHING! Love that boy to the moon and back.

  91. HJ Madison
    05/26/2013 at 12:04 pm

    nyccowgirl :
    HJ, what are your thoughts on why the Hughes weren’t brought in to rebut the innuendos and speculations made of their communication to TA, especially by la toilette?


    I have trouble linking youtube. This is Tawnidilly “Jodi Arias Murder Trial day 10. Part 3”

    Starting around 15:30 Nurmi has Chris Hughes on the stand. He is cross examining him outside the presence of the jury. Listen for about 3 minutes. Nurmi reads directly from Sky Hughes correspondance with him (Nurmi) regarding the pedo-letters. This is why Sky did not testify before the jury and Chris’ testimony was very limited.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/26/2013 at 2:09 pm

      My problem going back to certain links is that I think I have to be waterboarded before I watch/listen to any more Nurmi. I simply find his manner, tone, pace, appearance and legal thinking obnoxious. Can’t get around it. Have to rely on fellow peeps what I need to know.

      • Douglme
        05/26/2013 at 7:17 pm

        I’m with you, Robert! I find him completely repulsive…

      • 05/27/2013 at 10:21 pm

        I say we waterboard Wobo!!!

    • 05/26/2013 at 8:54 pm

      Who’s the blonde lady next to JA?

  92. Kristy
    05/26/2013 at 12:06 pm

    Does anyone know if AZ has made a lot in tax revenues from all the taxes paid by people who were staying for the trial, ie, HLN, etc? Wouldn’t HLN need to pay to use the public areas for all their outdoor coverage?

    • Chrissie A
      05/26/2013 at 7:59 pm

      Hi Kristy 🙂 They would have to apply for a permit from the local film commissioner to film from any public location, no charges are incurred in this process. If they are filming on private property then charges will occur, between the property owner and the production company.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/26/2013 at 9:42 pm

        I’m surprised they dont have to pay fees for the permits. But certainly all the people working in the media stay at hotels, eat out, get gas and clothes and they pay 7.3% in Maricopa County as a sales tax. That adds up to a community after 4 months. It’s a reason why States give film companies ‘breaks’ in some form–they are dying to get a couple hundred people in town to spend money for a few months.

  93. HJ Madison
    05/26/2013 at 12:10 pm

    nyccowgirl :
    HJ, what are your thoughts on why the Hughes weren’t brought in to rebut the innuendos and speculations made of their communication to TA, especially by la toilette?

    Crum … the minute I posted I knew I would be in moderation. Sorry Donchais!

    I will beak this into 2 posts, but I have trouble doing the youtube link anyway.

    Tawnidilly, “Jodi Arias Murder Trial day 10. Part 3” At about 16:00 for 3 minutes or so. Chris Hughes is on the stand outside the presence of the jury. Nurmi is cross-examining Chris. Listen for about 3 minutes or so and you will hear Nurmi read directly from correspondence he (Nurmi) received from Sky Hughes regarding the pedo-letter. This is why Sky did not testify and why Chris’ testimony was limited.

    • HJ Madison
      05/26/2013 at 12:13 pm


      This is a link. I am on ipad and always have trouble with this.

      • Janna
        05/26/2013 at 12:41 pm

        Sky Hughes ….

        1. “Wow! I knew he had issues but not this”
        2. “Doesn’t sound like Travis”
        3. “We are freaking out.”
        4. “What ages did he prefer?”

        I still think Wurmi Nurmi engaged in misrepresention/manipulation with Chris and Sky Hughes.

      • HJ Madison
        05/26/2013 at 12:56 pm

        Janna: The only statement that “troubles” me is #1. “We knew he had issues …”. Recall this was much closer to the actual events and on the surface seems a pretty genuine response.

        The question posed though was why I thought the Hughes’ were not called and this, along with the inadvertent “break-in” to TA’s email is why.

      • Janna
        05/26/2013 at 1:10 pm

        HJ, I wasn’t under the impression Chris “broke” into Travis’ email. As the executor of TA’s will, I thought Chris Hughes had some legal leeway and privileges that allowed him to access the Email account, Facebook, blog, etc.

      • ringadingding
        05/26/2013 at 1:50 pm

        Dang. I can’t get any sound. 😦 The way this was handled and allowed by the judge is just the sort of thing that makes me furious. You would think it’s her job to make sure that attorneys don’t lie to witnesses in order to get them to say something to the defendant’s benefit (JW tried this with Doc Janeen, too, when she implied the 6 points are no longer used by Lenore Walker). It should work both ways, of course, but this was not a problem with JM. It’s the DT that played loose with the facts. Just disgusting.

        As far as #1–I think the Hughes made it clear that Travis’ issues had to do with commitment, not perversion. Their minds would never have even gone there. This sickens me.

    • ringadingding
      05/26/2013 at 3:17 pm

      I was able to watch it. Yay for Chris Hughes being so direct with Nurmi about Nurmi’s lies and also for Nurmi to bring up that Searcy said Hughes called Nurmi a snake. Soooo gratifying to have that said in court, even though Hughes said he didn’t recall that word specifically…it was the same sentiment. Love. It.

  94. Family of Law
    05/26/2013 at 12:14 pm

    MMD :
    Morning FOL Wow does this former AG have JA’s number!!!! Wish he had been a juror!

    Mornin!!! How’s your sweet head this morning? Better I hope!

    • MMD
      05/26/2013 at 12:34 pm

      A tad better, thanks for asking. Since my phone rant it has gotten worse but I’ll live 😀

      • Family of Law
        05/26/2013 at 12:40 pm

        Humph! Phone rant should have made you feel better, ya know, getting it all off your chest 🙂 It’s a good day to cuddle with your babies and rest up-

  95. HJ Madison
    05/26/2013 at 12:21 pm

    MMD :
    They were not brought in because they had access to all of TA’s emails. Apparently they got in by accident, maybe his phone as well so the defense could argue that if any of the emails were tampered with, it could have been by the Hughes. They talked about this on Dr. Drew because they read every drop of correspondence trying to figure out what it was that Travis was so upset about and couldn’t figure it out.

    MMD is correct about this …… but there is more and you (not just you as in MMD, as in anyone interested) really should go listen to the vid clip above.

    • MMD
      05/26/2013 at 12:37 pm

      I still can’t believe that Wurmi got up there and lied about those letters being authentic 👿

      • nyccowgirl
        05/26/2013 at 12:46 pm

        can’t he be disbarred or at least reprimanded for this? they did some shady things throughout trial but i thought at this point, he knew those were proven to be forged.

      • GN5020
        05/26/2013 at 1:09 pm

        You can’t believe that a defense attorney whose practice focuses on defending sexual deviants might LIE? I guess I am more jaded than you. Doesn’t surprise me a bit.

    • Jill
      05/26/2013 at 12:51 pm

      Yes, that seems illegal what he did to them…

  96. Moon
    05/26/2013 at 12:29 pm

    good morning ev1

    jul 18 seems like sooo far away now!

    • HJ Madison
      05/26/2013 at 12:39 pm

      Hey Moon …. don’t get too married to that date ….. the wheels of justice turn slowly!

    • Family of Law
      05/26/2013 at 12:41 pm

      Mornin Moon!!!!

    • Janna
      05/26/2013 at 12:49 pm

      Double-edged sword.

  97. 05/26/2013 at 12:36 pm

    I just saw This on twitter while,trying to,find juror #17. Sort video clip of three juroros pn GMA

  98. MMD
    05/26/2013 at 12:40 pm

    Afternoon Moon and Deco 😀

  99. MMD
    05/26/2013 at 12:43 pm

    What I find very interesting is that the judge and the attorneys must have known what the non verdict was before it was read in court. How else would she be able to set a date for a status meeting and a date for the retrial without checking to make sure they would all be available???????? Seems like something stinks big time 😯

    • Moon
      05/26/2013 at 12:54 pm

      you know i was wondering that too! and also, if the judge’s voice did crack, could it have been that she just was so ready for this to end and how upsetting it is that it wasn’t settled?

    • Janna
      05/26/2013 at 12:55 pm

      Thanks for posting this. I couldn’t make sense of it either. Is there a rotten fish smell in the air?

    • Family of Law
      05/26/2013 at 1:01 pm

      No, the judge learns the verdict the same time we do. The court calendar is prepared to allow for all outcomes. They preset dates, and then schedule according to the outcome.

      • Moon
        05/26/2013 at 1:05 pm

        Morning FOL!! Curious if your brother is still watching any of the trial?

        Thanks for the clarification on the dates….

      • MMD
        05/26/2013 at 1:49 pm

        TY darlin’- that really confused me. insert cross eyed emoticon

    • HJ Madison
      05/26/2013 at 1:07 pm

      They knew, especially based on the previous “dynamite” charge/question the jury could return hung. They had plenty of time to look at schedules and work the dates out ahead of time, especially knowing the public would clamor for this info and we were heading into a long weekend.

  100. Family of Law
    05/26/2013 at 12:45 pm

    Morning HJ- Thanks for posting the CH vid- wow, I get so mad everytime I see how paralyzed the Hughes were to speak up for Travis by the DT. That must have been so awful to be a defense witness, and not stand up and scream “That biotch killed my best friend”!

    • MMD
      05/26/2013 at 12:51 pm

      well Chris Hughes did say that. Only problem, the jury was not there when he said it.

  101. Moon
    05/26/2013 at 12:47 pm

    has anyone heard what ever happened to donoman? has heshe had to go back to court yet? I am soooo hoping she gets thrown back in prison for parole violation!

    also it seems as the ho has 2 twitters??? jodiannarias and jodi_annarias? wonder who’s keeping these up for her now? seems like having a twitter acct is now common for these criminals! so maddening. what ever happened to losing all your rights once in jail/prison???
    oh that’s right… when it became a legal system, not a justice system!

    • Janna
      05/26/2013 at 1:02 pm

      It seems that Donoman & jail associate Ann Campbell are the Arizona crusaders for Arias as well as being strongly aligned with the Arias family.

  102. Moon
    05/26/2013 at 12:51 pm

    that part of the interview with the Ryan guy… he is ?ing her about her appearance and her reply “well this is a court of law, it’s not a place to go and act crazy, oh I guess I shouldn’t have used that term. It’s just not a place to let loose”

    God help us all if she is let out, even in 25 yrs. So many people that would constantly need to watch their backs.

    • nyccowgirl
      05/26/2013 at 1:08 pm

      what about the part re: freedom in 25 years and her response went something like: as long as you don’t abuse her, threaten her life, etc., you have nothing to fear?

      • GN5020
        05/26/2013 at 1:13 pm

        I know. I couldn’t believe she was so obvious in her attitude of entitlement and justification. Rude awakening in prison when she will be abused and threatened 24/7 by a very rough population. Let her deal with that.

      • Moon
        05/26/2013 at 1:27 pm

        I know!! She just basically told the world she would kill again in a heartbeat! I sure hope this is played next time for the new jury!

  103. Moon
    05/26/2013 at 12:57 pm

    I just have to believe that Juan is steps ahead and wating to see his passion intensified even more for the next jury!!!

  104. 05/26/2013 at 1:01 pm

    Last night I watched “Lock Up” .. They go to visit all the prisons across the country and film for months….They have even gone to JA’s prison. I wanted to see the size of the cells and what she would see and hear..One inmate , a male, donated his hair on this episode ,11 1/2″, to Locks Of Love.He wanted to look good for a woman who was going to visit.The Barber put it into a ponytail and used the buzzer to cut it off.. He cut it at the top of the rubber band so the hair would stay together and then he had to shape it because it was very,very short in the back and longer on the sides..to his ears..It would have been mentioned before hand during trial if she had done this, to make her look good .My grandaughter donated hers twice and I asked her if she was going to donate her hair again and she said not yet. She didn’t want her hair short because she couldn’t do anything with it so short.. She’s only 12 yrs old

  105. Moon
    05/26/2013 at 1:02 pm

    Speaking of Juan, I wonder if he would get his mail directly at the courthouse, or if someone else at courthouse is opening his mail? I plan on sending him a thank you card and would love to ask him oodles of ?s but he’s probably been bombarded with mail

    • nyccowgirl
      05/26/2013 at 1:07 pm

      just send it directly to MMD. she’ll leave it at his bedside table. 😉

      • MMD
        05/26/2013 at 1:10 pm


      • Moon
        05/26/2013 at 1:15 pm

        oooh duh me! I shoulda known!!

    • HJ Madison
      05/26/2013 at 1:09 pm

      My guess, until he retires and first appeals denied, he will not answer questions.

      • MMD
        05/26/2013 at 1:12 pm

        Once they come to a verdict, whenever they ever do, he did promise and interview 90 minutes later to the only reporter who interviewed JA right after the 1st degree verdict.

      • Janna
        05/26/2013 at 1:16 pm

        At some point in his life, perhaps him and Detective Flores will co-author a book and reveal answers to our trial questions.

      • HJ Madison
        05/26/2013 at 1:18 pm

        MMD: Of course you would remember that! You are right!

  106. MMD
    05/26/2013 at 1:07 pm

    I just checked JA twitter after Moon brought it up and this is her latest post

    Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 21h

    WOW… http://OccupyHLN.org …just wow.

    That link takes you to a place that says that HLN and everyone has been duped and that Justice4Travis is a scam set up by some woman from Aussie land. Then it goes on to take on his family and when you click on Tanisha’s name, it takes you to another page that accuses her of being convicted of
    Felony burglary
    Grand theft
    Possession of controlled substances
    False impersonation
    Giving false ID to police (at least 4 or 5 different aliases)
    They go on to post this
    It also appears as if Tanisha Sorenson did some time in prison. Now let’s all take a look at the petitions Tanisha Sorenson promotes in her campaign for “Justice for Travis” such as her endeavor for a new law that would prevent the accused to have the ability put forth a defense, which she calls the “Travis Alexander Law”. Another exposed anti-constitutionalist. This is revenge, hate, and exploitation personified. I continue to be stunned everyday by something vile attached to their campaign to keep so many secrets.


    That’s as far as I read and it is truly disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😯

    • nyccowgirl
      05/26/2013 at 1:48 pm

      they were the ones who submitted a fb screen shot to wilmot re: juror 17 posting something about JA and Mexicans that juror 17 basically said doesn’t ever exist on her fb.

      • MMD
        05/26/2013 at 1:55 pm

        from what I’ve seen on this and what they have said about the Hughes and the legacy fund, it doesn’t surprise me!!!

  107. MMD
    05/26/2013 at 1:08 pm

    in moderation – sorry donchais 😦 I knew this would happen but I wanted everyone to see what some sick people are trying to do to the Alexanders as well as Chris and Skye Hughes. Simply disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😦

    • HJ Madison
      05/26/2013 at 1:15 pm

      I appreciate the Hughes’ and their love and passion for Travis and I understand their frustration about being told Jodi was not necessarily a suspect, but I have to say…. sometimes the best intentions ….. well you know.

  108. MMD
    05/26/2013 at 1:14 pm

    damn I so want to get out of moderation so that everyone can see what I found. Unfreakinbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  109. MMD
    05/26/2013 at 1:16 pm

    OK I’m going to try and post this in parts

    I just checked JA twitter after Moon brought it up and this is her latest post
    Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 21h
    WOW… http://OccupyHLN.org …just wow.
    That link takes you to a place that says that HLN and everyone has been duped and that Justice4Travis is a scam set up by some woman from Aussie land. Then it goes on to take on his family and when you click on Tanisha’s name, it takes you to another page that accuses her of being convicted of
    Felony burglary
    Grand theft
    Possession of controlled substances
    False impersonation
    Giving false ID to police (at least 4 or 5 different aliases)
    They go on to post this
    It also appears as if Tanisha Sorenson did some time in prison. Now let’s all take a look at the petitions Tanisha Sorenson promotes in her campaign for “Justice for Travis” such as her endeavor for a new law that would prevent the accused to have the ability put forth a defense, which she calls the “Travis Alexander Law”. Another exposed anti-constitutionalist. This is revenge, hate, and exploitation personified. I continue to be stunned everyday by something vile attached to their campaign to keep so many secrets.

    • Moon
      05/26/2013 at 1:24 pm


      Is there something, anything the family can do to STOP this???

  110. MMD
    05/26/2013 at 1:18 pm

    This is the link where I found the above info

    That’s as far as I read and it is truly disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😯

    Ya really have to see this. I guess JA fans and pr firm got tired of Chris Stark squealing on their scam they have running.

  111. Janna
    05/26/2013 at 1:20 pm

    Creepy factoid about C Anthony and J Arias


    • MMD
      05/26/2013 at 1:28 pm

      Good post Janna – I seem to remember seeing somewhere that they have the same birthday as well. 😈

  112. Moon
    05/26/2013 at 1:21 pm

    Someone said that PP is now in rehab, my guess is DrPhil is covering that, so that will enable PP to speak up next go around.

    also, can Juan allow more people to come foreward on Travis’ behalf, next go round?
    I understand that it’s the penalty phase, but what does that mean exactly for next time?

    • HJ Madison
      05/26/2013 at 1:28 pm

      Such a good question! I say it can not be just a repeat of the last “penalty phase” — what would be the point? That left the jury hung. So, I think both the DT and Juan can add more. But, it has to be legitimate and admissible — hence my earlier comment that July 18 will likely be pushed back.

  113. Janna
    05/26/2013 at 1:27 pm

    The crimeandcourtsnews blog also carries the Jodi Arias Twitter feed. The link below is from her most recent tweet …….


    • MMD
      05/26/2013 at 1:29 pm

      see what I posted above Janna and where it takes you – currently at #378

      • Janna
        05/26/2013 at 1:32 pm

        Oops. Sorry. Sincere mea culpa. Everything moves so darn fast in the sandbox.

      • MMD
        05/26/2013 at 1:35 pm

        No problem – I just wanted to make sure that everyone saw where this link sent you if you clicked on different things. Makes me sick!!!! grabbing hurl bucket :0=

  114. Moon
    05/26/2013 at 1:34 pm

    One of my BFFs and I were talking yesterday… she only hears about the trial through our local news and my rants! I was telling her how the foreman said he believed the ho was verbally and emotionally abused.
    Her reply: well aren’t all woman at some point verbally and emotionally abused!

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/26/2013 at 2:21 pm

      is her name Alyce?

      • MMD
        05/26/2013 at 2:27 pm

        touche’ Robert!!!!!!! 😀

      • Moon
        05/26/2013 at 3:05 pm

        excuse me?

      • Moon
        05/26/2013 at 3:08 pm

        guess you totally missed the point! but oh well
        everyone of us has been hurt verbally and emotionally at some point in our lives… woman and men. was just saying that it does not give anyone the right to kill because of that.

        and btw robert, that really hurt 😦

    • ringadingding
      05/26/2013 at 3:23 pm

      Hey Moon–I just read your comment, and I *got* it. It’s sad, but true; however, we don’t go around decapitating people over it. That’s what the middle finger is for.

      • Moon
        05/26/2013 at 3:37 pm

        ty so much ringading

    • Family of Law
      05/26/2013 at 3:34 pm

      Moon, I totally agree! Nobody makes it through life without hearing cruel words spoken to them, or in many cases, people do not avoid being the victim of cruel acts- Being the recipient does not give people the right to stab their perpetrator 29 times, slit their throats and shoot them in the head.

      • Moon
        05/26/2013 at 3:40 pm

        tysm, fol. and it also does not give the right for the f*ckheadforeman to excuse her for it.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/26/2013 at 3:51 pm

        good phrasing–“nobody gets through life”- or “people do not avoid”. These are different than saying “women get through life”. Just sayin. A subtle and insidious sexism can arise through the use of words and phrases. I still havent recovered from LaLa saying that wobo, and not Travis, was the “victim” of domestic abuse. What do words mean when someone can say something like that, and be called an “expert”? Right now, anyone who uses phrases or words like LaToilette is open game to me. Maybe that’ll pass, as time goes on. But not right now.And certainly not after hearing the bozo foreman talk of the “girl” who was on trial.

  115. Moon
    05/26/2013 at 1:37 pm

    looking forward to Trish’s truecrime radio show tonite!

    • MMD
      05/26/2013 at 1:39 pm

      I hope that Chris and Skye Hughes will be on.

  116. 05/26/2013 at 1:38 pm

    I’m back. I looked at the Arias defender blogs, but just caught the headlines. Couldn’t read any further. I need a bullshitigation specialist.

  117. HJ Madison
    05/26/2013 at 1:40 pm

    Janna :
    HJ, I wasn’t under the impression Chris “broke” into Travis’ email. As the executor of TA’s will, I thought Chris Hughes had some legal leeway and privileges that allowed him to access the Email account, Facebook, blog, etc.

    Chris and Sky panicked when they thought Flores was not considering Jodi (a tactic used by Flores to hopefully keep Jodi hopping). The investigation was JUST underway. Chris guessed at Travis’ password to his email and he got in. This could have been VERY damaging because “the chain of custody”, so to speak, was compromised. This was an ongoing criminal investigation. It is no different than having someone enter a crime scene before it is released. BTW, an Executor of an estate has no privileges until he is so recognized by a court of law.

    • ringadingding
      05/26/2013 at 8:47 pm

      Hi HJ, it made me cringe when I heard this too, but then I listened to Chris explain that he was worried Jodi would come after them, that they live on a large ranch and have to go out alone at night. Considering what they had already pieced together–prior to the murder–they believed they were in danger and that the police were not looking at the right person. They had children. I can see why they did it and would have done the same if I thought my family’s lives were at risk.

  118. HJ Madison
    05/26/2013 at 1:47 pm

    So I have a question….. I don’t watch Dr. Phil … are you guys just teasing about any or all of these people having been on Dr. Phil? I am missing the joke! I saw the post that Searcy was on Judge Judy…. but what about Dr. Phil?? Thanks. Sometimes I do, in fact, live under a rock.

    • 05/26/2013 at 1:51 pm

      From what I’m aware of it’s that Dr. Phil [ut the Arias family up, in return for Momma’s trial notes and appearence on the show.

      • Moon
        05/26/2013 at 1:55 pm

        that’s my understanding too bubble. also, DrP is notorious for sending people to treament centers so I would have no doubt that he offered PP this help.

      • nyccowgirl
        05/26/2013 at 1:57 pm

        bubble beat me. wished this thing did an automatic refresh. lol

      • Kristy
        05/26/2013 at 2:50 pm

        I think that this will come back to bite Dr. Phil in the ass if indeed he’s going to be shown supporting both Jodi’s family and PP.

        I’m not sure the public cares about supporting a murderers family and drug addicted friend. It’s going to look bad that Dr Phil is there for the murderer, but not for the victims.

    • nyccowgirl
      05/26/2013 at 1:54 pm

      I think it had to do with chris stark and others noting that Dr. Phil was paying for the ho’s mother to be at court every day and his producers going to visit the ho, in exchange for interviews and/or ho’s mom writing a book or something. He denied it but he was literal in his denial, similar to him claiming that he didn’t pay CA’s mother for an interview but it was proven that he paid a fund for Caylee, which is managed by Cindy.

    • Family of Law
      05/26/2013 at 1:57 pm

      Dr. Phil has adamantly denied assisting. But I really do think the proof will come soon that he is- I suspect his “Fall Premier” will have JA’s mom, with all of her scribblings, just as he did with CA’s mom. Pretty sad, that he’s stooping again.

    • HJ Madison
      05/26/2013 at 2:17 pm

      Ohh… I see …. his examination of “what is it like to raise a killer?”. Hope he remembers to ask if Jodi had the tell-tale cloven hoof birthmark at the base of her spine! When is the next “sweeps month?”. No doubt they were praying the trial ended before May!

      • MMD
        05/26/2013 at 2:26 pm

        November but he might want it as a multi-part season opener in September!!!! 😳 gotta hurl again :0=

    • Kristy
      05/26/2013 at 2:42 pm

      I wonder if Oprah is embarrassed that she unleashed Dr Phil on the world these days? I think he’s just a big blow hard, and am not impressed by him at all.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/26/2013 at 2:55 pm

        Among her other “finds”..I mean who died and made Oprah the queen of TV programing? Her BFF “Gayle” is on the tube as a “journalist” all because of her BFF status with the Queen. And “doctor” Phil may have his PhD, but he doesnt have his license to practice as a psychologist. Why? Because right out of the box, he slept with a “patient” with his new found “authority.”.Why we keep getting people thrust on us who have shown to be less than sterling in their integrity shouldn’t surprise me, but it still does.

      • Kristy
        05/26/2013 at 3:34 pm

        I’m not sure, but her BFF may have been in journalism all along. Obviously, Gayle has benefitted from being Oprah’s BFF. I didn’t know that about Dr. Phil, but it doesn’t surprise me considering his spawn married a playboy bunny.

  119. Family of Law
    05/26/2013 at 1:54 pm

    MMD :
    No problem – I just wanted to make sure that everyone saw where this link sent you if you clicked on different things. Makes me sick!!!! grabbing hurl bucket :0=

    MMD- I just went to the “occupy HLN”… And I’m sickened. It must be the same sick bastard that runs the jodiariasisinnocent innocent/ caseyanthonyisinnocent sites.

    • MMD
      05/26/2013 at 2:02 pm

      It’s gotta be FOL!!! They are trying to do as much damage to the family and their friends to see if they can turn them or at least make people think twice about who they “really” are and if they are “trustworthy”. They even go after Abe Abdelhadi.

      Another juicy gem I see:

      “Simply put, Chris Hughes, as well as Tanisha Alexander and Samantha Alexander made a killing off of a killing. And that’s just unfortunate. Nobody should seek to profit from a death. As I stated in the first paragraph of this post, there are only losers out of this tragedy. But I also stated that some may have been winners — and that’s not right.”

      • MMD
        05/26/2013 at 2:04 pm

        The sad thing is that a lot of people will believe this even though it is blatantly false!!!! 👿

      • Family of Law
        05/26/2013 at 3:20 pm

        I wish that there was some way to stop this smear campaign. That paragraph you highlighted, is beyond defamation, it’s a form of cruelty that should be libelous- “freedom of speech”, should not be “freedom to mutilate with lies”.

      • Lisa M
        05/26/2013 at 3:39 pm

        I seriously doubt the family pays attention to this stuff. I mean they know what these JA supporters are like. I don’t think we should pollute this site by posting their crap. I’m sure the family will be focused on their civil suit against the defendant and the next penalty phase and getting back to their own lives. They can’t control what trolls do; I think we should just ignore those people completely.

    • Kristy
      05/26/2013 at 2:31 pm

      What a horrible cess pit of a site. It’s as if Jodi’s minions are taking the “I don’t want to trash Travis” to actually mean trash anyone and everyone that isn’t on Jodi’s side.

    • nyccowgirl
      05/26/2013 at 2:43 pm

      there’s got to be some libel suits that can put an end to all of this.

      • MMD
        05/26/2013 at 2:53 pm

        The problem is that this poor family is already suffering enough with this trial and having to have another penalty phase. They have literally put their lives on hold. Where on earth can they come up with the intestinal fortitude to endure any more legal cases, which would only cost them more money? For every site that is closed down, another one would pop up.

        We are very lucky here at Donchais University that donchais completely protects the sandbox from all and any riff raff. Everyone is very respectful of each other and their opinions. The other sites don’t care, not if they can stick up a couple of ads and make some money. Plus people can really go to such drastic extremes when hiding behind the anonymity of a computer screen!!!

        How much more does this family have to endure???????

  120. 05/26/2013 at 2:56 pm

    Make a killing out of a killing? Like selling art, t-shirts, etc?

    • MMD
      05/26/2013 at 3:10 pm

      Exactly Captain!!!!!!!!!! 👿

    • Family of Law
      05/26/2013 at 3:27 pm

      Well those sycophants backed the wrong horse- “innocent”? NOPE, guilty of 1st degree, premeditated/ felony murder.

    • Kristy
      05/26/2013 at 3:38 pm

      Oh, and no doubt she had a tell all book, when shy mysteriously got her memory back regarding the killing and his mysterious journals.

  121. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/26/2013 at 3:25 pm

    Moon :
    guess you totally missed the point! but oh well
    everyone of us has been hurt verbally and emotionally at some point in our lives… woman and men. was just saying that it does not give anyone the right to kill because of that.
    p>and btw robert, that really hurt

    First,no “hurt” intended – or even thought it even “might” hurt . If your friend had said “well “aren’t all men AND women”… but she didnt. She said all “women”. So therefore, i juxtaposed a thought about what other person we’d seen lately who had the same attitude. There has been a LOT of gender discrimination in this case-the foreman just the latest. Ms. LaToilette was rabid with her one sided point of view and blinders. Frankly I am beginning to get annoyed every time i see it. All men aren’t pigs; all women aren’t angels. Anyone who suggests differently is being sexist.

    • Midnight Rider
      05/26/2013 at 9:07 pm

      There ya go, Robert! Really appreciate what you said about all men not being pigs and all women not being angels. We have to remember that we cannot judge each gender, race,religion, etc. by what one does. Not trying to make excuses for anyone, just sort of feeling like we’re getting a little off-track where WOBO is concerned…

  122. Lisa M
    05/26/2013 at 3:25 pm

    I have a question for everyone. It’s obvious to me from her reaction that Jodi expected a life sentence from the jury. But it’s fair to say that LWOP isnt a sentence that she would welcome. Therefore, is it fair to assume that she thinks the chances of the judge giving her life with the possibility of parole are pretty good?

    • GN5020
      05/26/2013 at 7:30 pm

      Jodi thought she was going to get a Not Guilty because of “self-defence” or a much lesser charge, like manslaughter due to “heat of passion”, so I think you are right to assume that she thinks her chances of LWP quite strong.

      • Lisa M
        05/26/2013 at 10:54 pm

        I think her arrogance makes her very ill-equipped to deal with the legal realities she had faced and is still facing. She thinks that she’s much more believable than she really is.

  123. JesusFreak
    05/26/2013 at 3:54 pm

    I have believed in the death penalty ever since I was old enough to give it thought. The main reason I believe in the DP is because there is always a chance the guilty will get a bleeding heart governor or panel that will try to commute their sentence to time served. Oops, they say, when killer gets out and tortures or kills someone else.
    I believe if you kidnap a child and molest them or if you molest children in general we do not need you on this earth. I would vote for DP then also. Now, I said all that to say after reading the letter someone posted on this page from the man that has served life without parole for 26 years I might change my mind, if it is true they could not have any further court appearances for leniency, unless they paid. I still worry they might get out.
    Thanks for listening and both sides of this can try to persuade me to their side.

    • Lisa M
      05/26/2013 at 4:10 pm

      I’ve always been against the DP except for cases involving children and especially cruel or heinous acts, especially when committed by ex-cons for whom LWOP probably won’t seem like much of a punishment. If I felt 100% sure LWOP meant just that and if there were stringent rules against talking to the media for example, I probably would have continued that stance in this trial except that the defendant wouldn’t stop running her mouth and slandering her victim so at that point it seemed like nothing but the DP would stop her. I still wouldn’t want to have to make the decision myself because having been raised Catholic Id be afraid of making a decision like that. I wouldn’t have that fear if a child was the victim though.

      • GN5020
        05/26/2013 at 7:32 pm

        I agree with you Lisa. If Jodi had not trashed the victim in unspeakable ways, and would have shown remorse, I would have been fine with LWOP, but I went against my usual grain with her and really wanted the DP.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/26/2013 at 4:14 pm

      You are not alone with this thinking. This is a time for all of us to rethink or discuss the DP. The move of the “civilized” world has been away from the DP.But the thirst for retribution and justice does not dry up. And when we wish to be ‘not’ cruel or unusual in our punishments, how does 23 years on death row or 25 years in solitary strike us? I am finding myself constantly swinging to and fro on the matter. The guy in Norway? Why not just eliminate him? The Aurora shootings? What is gained by imprisoning him? Is it so “cruel” to simply get rid of him? Its not an easy question, I guess and many people struggle with it. I was pretty much moved over to the no DP because of the abuse of it. If we eliminated abuse, what the? Still thinking.

      • Lisa M
        05/26/2013 at 5:11 pm

        And the whole debate is complicated by the fact that some people think death is too easy and that LWOP is worse. And it’s complicated by the other fact that we usually don’t know what LWOP means, in terms of how likely it is to be reduced or what the jail conditions are. So many of these things vary state by state in the US, so it’s not a black and white issue. And then of course, most family members want the death penalty for the perpetrator, although that’s not true in every single case.

  124. HJ Madison
    05/26/2013 at 3:57 pm

    Robert exits Rotterdam :
    Among her other “finds”..I mean who died and made Oprah the queen of TV programing? Her BFF “Gayle” is on the tube as a “journalist” all because of her BFF status with the Queen. And “doctor” Phil may have his PhD, but he doesnt have his license to practice as a psychologist. Why? Because right out of the box, he slept with a “patient” with his new found “authority.”.Why we keep getting people thrust on us who have shown to be less than sterling in their integrity shouldn’t surprise me, but it still does.

    This one I must take umbrage to, not Dr. Phil but Gayle. Charlie Rose is a terrific journalist! I routinely watch his morning program on CBS. They have an interesting format where other investigative journalists are interviewed, like guests. Even though CBS 48 hours figured highly in the trial, Jodi has scarcely been mentioned. Gayle has had a long career as a reporter and anchor many years before her friendship with Oprah was revealed.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/26/2013 at 4:06 pm

      Ok Gayle is a great journalist who would have the exposure she has without any connection to Oprah. All right, My bad.I have only seen her doing “road trips with Oprah” on the TV. She seemed silly and superficial to me. I never saw any report by her on Frontline or any other show and i never read her in any periodical nor read about her from other journalists. Maybe she was a local anchor? I dunno. Seems like a lightweight to me. And my real focus was on “doctor” Phil. It used to be when one screwed up, they went to the back of the line and let others who played by the rules get a shot. Spitzer on CNN another example. The effort underway in New York to get Weiner back in the spotlight. With so many worthies struggling, why these?

    • HJ Madison
      05/26/2013 at 4:07 pm

      And …. I should have added, Gayle is a “third” anchor on CBS morning show along with Nora O’Donnel and Charlie Rose.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/26/2013 at 4:15 pm

        where was she before Oprah gave her a national stage?

      • ringadingding
        05/26/2013 at 6:34 pm

        She was (I think) a local newscaster, though I don’t recall the city. She may have even had a higher profile than Oprah in the early days.

      • MMD
        05/26/2013 at 7:06 pm

        I think she was either in Baltimore or Hartford, on a local show. They both go way back with Maria Shriver as well.

  125. 05/26/2013 at 4:11 pm

    05/25/2013 at 7:45 pm #21 Reply

    Syn, I’d be interested in reading your TOP 10 pieces of advice to the Perryville staff in regard to Arias.

    I want to point out.. were I to interview her for my own research I would NOT follow these steps. These are steps I recommend in dealing with her in prison.

    They will keep her off guard, unsure of herself and less insidious. Be aware, however, they will also make her desperate to change the dynamic she finds herself in and therefore more volatile. So at ALL times she should be considered dangerous,

    1. She is a predator you are her prey.

    2. She’s scanning you – Never offer her sympathy, empathy or other ‘human’ emotion. If detected she will immediately deem you weak, wounded prey to be toyed with.

    3.Never trust a word out of her mouth and never let her think you do.

    4. Be hyper-vigilant at all times. Never let your guard down as soon as you do she will begin to beguile you.

    5. Don’t give her pencils and paper and if she draws anything suggest it seems below par and ask her if she is suffering lack of inspiration. Scrutinise everything she says, records or draws – never take it at face value it ALWAYS has an insight and an agenda.

    6. Do not allow her to strike up any kind of relationship with anyone she will ALWAYS use another person to her advantage.

    7 . Interject and constantly warn other inmates of her dishonesty and disloyalty even if based on rumour alone.

    8. Never allow her to feel she has any control at all. Not over you or her environment.

    9. Yell to other inmates and talk loudly to her, do not lower your voice if she requests it.

    10. Tell her how bad she is looking and ask her if she is ill at frequent intervals. Never compliment her on anything.


    And for my personal pleasure: Cut her hair short in case she tries to hang herself or use it as a ligature to strangle someone else… you never know! 😉

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/26/2013 at 4:19 pm

      or, in the alternative, just send word to Angela S that she’s a snitch. Then you dont have to worry.

      • 05/26/2013 at 4:19 pm

        covered by 7

    • Kristy
      05/26/2013 at 4:27 pm

      Awesome list! Now, how do you plan on getting that list inside?

      • 05/26/2013 at 4:30 pm

        It’s merely a reply to a question I was asked.

      • Kristy
        05/26/2013 at 4:32 pm

        Too bad, it’s a great list that should be tattooed on the slasher.

    • Janna
      05/26/2013 at 5:58 pm

      HOLY CRAPOLLA! You hit this one out of the park and beyond.

      I can’t even describe the peculiar waves and trembles going through my body now. Thank you Syn for taking time to do this. Those Perryville people need to be VERY alert at all times with this girl. I wouldn’t trade places with any one of them. It’s absolutely overwhelming to me that ONE sick monster has so much potential for evilness. Scares me to the core.

      Syn, your intellectual skills in dissecting Jodi Arias are amazingly brilliant. What a powerful gift you have!

      Again ……… THANK YOU for teaching me.

    • ringadingding
      05/26/2013 at 6:42 pm

      This is a tremendous list. From what you’ve written above, it’s as if every encounter with her requires the other person to disregard everything they see or hear coming from her. Sounds exhausting. The ABC reporter she called a “hater” followed many of these rules and she clearly didn’t gain any ground with him. He and his crew went a step further and made sure to disobey her rule about not taping her jailhouse stripes and shackles; in fact, they made a point of talking about her rule. That totally took the power away from her.

      • Family of Law
        05/26/2013 at 6:48 pm

        I loved that guy!!! He was by far the only one that didn’t treat her like a dignitary! He OUTED her, and then made fun of her on the broadcast- classic dissing!

    • Family of Law
      05/26/2013 at 6:46 pm

      Syn, you are the master! ***bows head*** This list should be emailed to the warden asap! He seems to have her number, but these guidlines should be printed out in LARGE font, and hung up outside her cell as a daily reminder to all of her guards. I LOVE 1-10!!!! Especially chilled by #1. And I pray for them to utilize #10 frequently. And most of all, I really want them to cut her hair off!!!!

  126. HJ Madison
    05/26/2013 at 4:22 pm

    Robert exits Rotterdam :
    Among her other “finds”..I mean who died and made Oprah the queen of TV programing? Her BFF “Gayle” is on the tube as a “journalist” all because of her BFF status with the Queen. And “doctor” Phil may have his PhD, but he doesnt have his license to practice as a psychologist. Why? Because right out of the box, he slept with a “patient” with his new found “authority.”.Why we keep getting people thrust on us who have shown to be less than sterling in their integrity shouldn’t surprise me, but it still does.

    Ok Robert … not that I am a fan of Dr. Phil, but according Texas Psychology Licensing board Dr. Phil inappropriately hired a former patient as a part-time employee. He was disciplined. No legitimate evidence of an affair has ever surfaced.

    How is this ANY DIFFERENT than the slop being spread about the Alexanders?

    Granted, their life situation is not Dr. Phils. And, they did not thrust themselves in the public eye intentionally. But, mis-information and slanderous comments are just that, regardless of who is being attacked.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/26/2013 at 4:38 pm

      Well he’s not a “psychologist” anymore. What was or was not proven to be the case against him does not mitigate that factor imho. There is a basic deception in his presentation of himself. Its subtle, I’ll grant that, but he is not what he seems to be. He is an “entertainer’ now and thats a lot different than being a practicing psychologist. Why he is no longer a psychologist has never been flushed out,

  127. Kristy
    05/26/2013 at 4:24 pm

    Did Gus Searcy even provide the name or number of the person in the car with him, when he discussed wanting to plead the 5th?

    • HJ Madison
      05/26/2013 at 4:29 pm

      No… and he was really pissed when nobody cared! He came back to court, even though he had told the judge he wanted to be re-called by telephone. When nobody gave a darn about his “passenger”, Juan made a point of telling the court that Searcy came back, in person, just to bask a bit longer in the limelight! It is at the end of Sky Hughes testimony outside the presence of the jury.

      • Kristy
        05/26/2013 at 4:31 pm

        I’m confused how the evidence and testimony is used outside of the jury. Is it a way of determining what is relevant to show to the jury?

      • HJ Madison
        05/26/2013 at 4:43 pm

        Kristy: Exactly! It is a way for the judge to hear what testimony might be prior to allowing it before the jury. Searcy did testify in front of the jury, but later they were excused and that is when he took the fifth over whom ever was in his car ….. trying to make a lot more of it than it was. Do you recall how grandeous he was about his job at PPL?

        Also, interestingly, the judge required Sky to come to court for her initial testimony so the judge could see her. Sky had asked to provide testimony over the phone. Again, all this was at an evidentiary hearing outside the jury. The judge wanted to see Sky to aid the judge in determining Sky’s credibility.

    • Moon
      05/26/2013 at 4:32 pm

      I think Gus should be arrested for aiding and abeiting. The ho called him around 3 am the morning of Jun 5. she told him Travis was dead.. yet he said and did nothing…he KNEW travis was dead days b4 they found the body. How is he getting away with this?

      • HJ Madison
        05/26/2013 at 4:36 pm

        I don’t remember him saying that …. did he?

      • Moon
        05/26/2013 at 4:41 pm

        yes he said it on the news. and he had said in trial that he had news that could hurt or help hodi. she even testified that she phoned gus around 3am the morning of the 5th.

      • HJ Madison
        05/26/2013 at 4:50 pm

        Moon: But on the stand, under oath, that never came out, right? I would go listen again but he has so little credibility. Surely if that were true Juan would have gotten it in …. that is a pretty damning statement.

  128. 05/26/2013 at 4:32 pm

    Hey all, will wait to see who’s here before I post again. Have been doing hoework, er, yeah, hoework..heh heh.

    • Moon
      05/26/2013 at 4:38 pm

      can’t wait to hear about your new howork!

      • 05/26/2013 at 4:51 pm

        Well, Moon, have been in and out sporadically, but I’m tracking. Also have been doing some investigative work, and some heavy head scratching. Angles, targets of opportunity, etc, and as I’ve said, I am on a war footing. After briefly seeing the headlines of what I would consider scurrilous, vindictive, and criminal actions of the JA supporters, I wonder, If the TA supporters would call the JA supporters out to a fight, how many JA fanatics would bring knives…it ain’t over, and miles to go before I sleep.

        I’m gonna run out for some peanuts for my beer and I’ll be back in ten.

  129. 05/26/2013 at 4:45 pm

    HJ Madison :
    I don’t remember him saying that …. did he?

    Yes he did some time ago I researched int Gus and posted all the relevant links I could find about what he had come out with.

  130. 05/26/2013 at 4:50 pm

    This is the stuff I originally posted around 8th May.. pertinent to Gus Searcy (3 links so 3 parts to avoid moderation)

    Part 1/3

    Gus Searcy: Letting us know Jodi used her sob stories to ensnare him and he fell for it hook line and sinker.

    Makes a Freudian slip in here around 30 second mark.. GS says “they’d had a fight, he felt threatened by her” and using this ruse she had got herself invited to his Trailer in Las Vegas. Setting up the shaking and crying ruse to further elicit his sympathy. Travis trying to get her to see sense she just turns around and uses it to convince GS she is the poor wittle victim. Really it’s obviously a very frustrated Travis trying to get some sense out of her regarding why she has taken off, he probably doesn’t even know where she is. Jodi takes the phone call outside.. not because she is embarassed as GS erringly perceives, but so he doesn’t hear what Travis is saying or her responses to him. She then uses the opportunity to come back in crying and shaking so she completes the “oh poor me” plan.


    • 05/26/2013 at 4:53 pm

      Syn, hang around for a few, will send you an email shortly. Will you be around in ten minutes?

      • 05/26/2013 at 4:55 pm

        ok Bubbs… I have about an hour and half before I have to leave so I’ll be around 🙂

        by the way I’m rather intrigued so I hope you get it up (ok bad choice of words 😛 ) before I have to mozzie off!

    • HJ Madison
      05/26/2013 at 4:54 pm

      Syn: I don’t recall he actually said during his testimony (and under oath) that Jodi called him the morning of June 5th and said she killed Travis. That is what I am wondering about.

      • 05/26/2013 at 4:58 pm

        no he didn’t not as far as I remember…. that is the intriguing part of it.. he seems to have made it after After Daryl Brewer took the stand as far as I can tell.

      • Douglme
        05/26/2013 at 9:14 pm

        I remember someone testifying to that but not sure if it was Jodi or Searcy???

  131. 05/26/2013 at 4:53 pm

    (These clips should be watched to glean tactics Jodistein used to ensnare poor gullible gussy wussy.)

    Part 2/3

    Gus Searcy:

    Gus showing further how he was set up by Jodistein and also correcting his freudian slip in earlier clip where accidently said He feared her. In this one he indicates Jodistein was afraid of Travis.

    Also has his claims of receiving the phone call at 3:30am from an ‘hysterical” Jodistein.

    Presumably the host means June 5th but says June 4th. Could not be june 4th 3:30am cos that was around the time Jodi claims to have been arriving at Travis’ house and Travis was definitely very much alive at that time.

    Searcy sneakily says he presumes so… but that’s impossible.. so why doesn’t he say “no no it was the morning of June 5th” he is very precise about things he says when it suits him but in this case he seems not to want to pin down the date so he avoids correcting the host.

    So when was it? Did he avoid the correction due to the possiblity investigators may have the phone records? Perhaps therefore hedging the date? Was this phone call actually one AFTER the body was discovered and Searcy is just inferring it was June 5th to facilitate interview importance? That would make more sense to me.


  132. Moon
    05/26/2013 at 4:54 pm
  133. 05/26/2013 at 4:56 pm

    Gus Searcy Part 3/3

    Gus again. Closer to saying it was the 5th June he got the phone call but still not quite saying it just more agreeing with Greta.

    This one is interesting. Searcy seems to either know what this closing is going to be or he actually gives Nurmi the idea. Listen to the “why didn’t she shoot him earlier” idea be put forward in this one.

    Also bit longer so more detail of her using Gus as the ‘poor me, Travis is so mean to me’ sucker.


    So ya, he is an attention seeker, but at the same time he is very much guilty of duplicity in assisting her with her story. Which makes him an accomplice after the fact if not legally certainly morally.

    • ringadingding
      05/26/2013 at 6:00 pm

      Yes, he totally gives Nurmi his closing. That was the first thing I thought of. I was also wondering, now having viewed this mini Gus Searcy marathon, if Jodi had been using him to try to undermine Travis’ success at PPL by bringing their personal drama to his doorstep and letting Gus hear Travis swear at Jodi (which she clearly played up with her wincing and ducking). She seemed to be planting the seeds for his professional destruction, at least.

      Does anyone know where JA was at 3:30 am on June 5th? Wasn’t she in Utah? Very strange that, if what he’s saying has some truth to it, she is recycling details of her original trip as though it’s about to take place (going to rent a car to go to Mesa to see Travis, albeit a deceased Travis). Maybe she expected his body to be found much sooner and thought she could confuse everyone into thinking the car rental came after the murder, not prior.

      Aside from all of that, and please don’t hate me, I find him to be really entertaining. In the middle of this horror show, he’s thoroughly enjoying himself. It’s fascinating.

      • 05/26/2013 at 6:13 pm

        Ringading.. I 100% agree that she was up to something with him. He was a pawn to her in any way she saw fit to utilise him and any given time and these interviews show exactly how she drew him into her web.

        If for nothing else, he is very useful in understanding how she manipulated him and that is very informative from a behavioural stance.

        I also think, as you do, she expected his body to be found much sooner. With as many close friends and associates as he had she could never have envisioned the 5 day interim. She must have been so happy that the decomposition ended up masking some crucial elements in the postmortem (autopsy).

      • ringadingding
        05/26/2013 at 6:19 pm

        Thanks for your reply, Syn. It’s amazing how busy she was with all these men, using them for different reasons and making sure to play the right notes for each one.

  134. Lisa M
    05/26/2013 at 5:04 pm

    You know what I don’t understand about the AZ penalty phase verdicts? Why is a jury trusted to render a sentence death but not trusted to decide on a sentence of LWOP or Life? Why is that left up to the judge? Makes no sense to me. If LWOP were one of the options, doesn’t it seem pretty obvious that the jury would have compromised and given her that sentence vs. a non-unanimous verdict?

    • HJ Madison
      05/26/2013 at 5:15 pm

      Because the sentencing is standardized to include accomplices and again goes back to that felony murder charge. Lets say a jury found a get-away driver guilty of 1st degree felony murder, even though he was in the car when the killing occurred. By allowing “life” someone who was not a direct participant in the killing may have a chance at parole someday. It allows the judge to look at all factors, laid out in pre-sentencing report, and decide what is a “fair” punishment.

      • Lisa M
        05/26/2013 at 5:56 pm

        Ah okay HJ! Thanks!

  135. Moon
    05/26/2013 at 5:04 pm

    Thanks Syn,

    Gawd, I wish Juan would do something about this!!

    and sorry i posted link too, didn’t see you had posted it.

    • 05/26/2013 at 5:06 pm

      That’s ok Moon.. I was just posting old stuff I had on record anyhow. 😀

  136. Lisa M
    05/26/2013 at 5:05 pm

    Because, as HJ suggested earlier, they may not have trusted the judge to absolutely pick LWOP? I mean, that decision might not have made everyone happy, but at least it would be over, and she’d never get out of prison– although I know Donchais has said in AZ LWOP doesn’t mean LWOP which is yet another puzzling aspect of the sentencing guidelines!!

    • HJ Madison
      05/26/2013 at 5:22 pm

      Did you see TrueJustice’s post yesterday regarding her personal experience working with an AZ Senator regarding sentence guidelines? There is a distinction in AZ between “life” and LWOP. LWOP is defined in the AZ statutes as just that — no parole ever. “Life” in AZ statute is defined as 25 years.

      • Lisa M
        05/26/2013 at 5:49 pm

        I did see something posted but I just wanted to make sure! Thanks HJ!

    • Kathy A.
      05/27/2013 at 6:09 pm

      I don’t know why the Arizona sentencing guidelines for capital crimes are coming across as so confusing – if it’s the way the judge read the instructions, or what Juan said in his presentation of mitigating factors, but there are three separate sentences the judges here can pronounce: Life Without Parole (LWOP), Life (the perpetrator serves 25 years to life), or death. The jury decides either life or death, and it’s at the judge’s discretion in the case of life whether to impose LWOP OR Life With the Possibility of Parole – they are not interchangeable. LWOP means just that – the prisoner is going to spend his or her natural life locked up; Life with the Possibility of Parole means the prisoner will be eligible for parole in 25 years, but that doesn’t mean parole will automatically be granted. They are two separate animals.

  137. 05/26/2013 at 5:08 pm

    Syn, check yr inbox.

    • 05/26/2013 at 5:11 pm

      Bubbs.. I wanna help! This is my forte and my field!!!

    • 05/26/2013 at 5:19 pm

      shot off a reply to ya! Operation Synybubbs 😀

  138. 05/26/2013 at 5:32 pm

    LindaM Need your help please. You said you have been following Angela Simpson case for quite some time. Do you have any good links to documentaries or interviews she has given?

    I don’t want just mainstream reports they aren’t really of use to me needs to be something she personally is involved in if possible.

    Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. 😀

    • 05/26/2013 at 5:33 pm

      LIndam?? wtf I did NOT type that!!!! LISA-M

    • Lisa M
      05/26/2013 at 5:47 pm

      Hey Syn. Well I first saw her on MSNBC’s Lock-Up Raw show. I think it was “Lock-Up Raw – Maricopa County Extended Stay.” They often put the name of the prison and then “extended stay” lol on the episode. This show is on every Saturday and Sunday night in the states. You must be able to find it online. She was interviewed and her “pod” was highlighted. There were about five other women, none angels. She was later moved somewhere else in the jail. I don’t have any special knowledge of her, I was introduced to her from the Lock Up show and then looked up online material and found maybe one other interview.

      • Lisa M
        05/26/2013 at 5:54 pm

        Sorry I don’t have anything more than that but the MSNBC interview is worth checking out. Someone should do a documentary on her but none exists to my knowledge. I’d be interested to know more about her childhood and also where her children are now/how they’re doing. I think she actually has a few children (I remember thinking thank God at least those kids have a chance for a normal life now but I don’t know who has them.)

      • 05/26/2013 at 5:58 pm

        ok thank you.. that is a good starting point. ;D

      • ringadingding
        05/26/2013 at 6:13 pm

        Here’s the link to the LockUp interview: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3036750/ns/msnbc-documentaries/vp/38113478#38113478

        I remember when this aired several years ago. It seemed there was more to the interview than this, but it’s a starting point.

  139. John
    05/26/2013 at 5:42 pm

    Thanks for the reporting on the trial over the time. It made my day geting a inside on what has been going on for the trial period. However; is this a unbiased reporting sight or is it an individuals perspective? I am not in any way having a go, mate l couldn’t do it but just a general question, that’s all. Please no offence intended.

    • Lisa M
      05/26/2013 at 6:32 pm

      It is both!

      • John
        05/27/2013 at 5:26 am

        Thanks Lisa M have a great day. John M

  140. 05/26/2013 at 5:49 pm

    Ive been reading snippets from above and it seems like the deranged radical fringe rabidly defending the “bat shit crazy” psychopath have turned even more fervently rabid than usual.

    I suspect there is good reason for this.

    It appears to be an avenue to throw more pebbles into the water causing many more ripple effects and reaching more people to further taint a jury pool.

    People who lacked interest previously may become interested if they hear of something ‘juicy’ and it is the bottom feeder mouth pieces that usually make the most noise and are given the most air-play in this quick sound byte, maximum hype era we live in.

    The less attention paid to it the better. If they think it isn’t working they will soon lose interest if they think it is having an effect it will merely feed the conniption.

    • Lisa M
      05/26/2013 at 6:08 pm

      Syn I posted this above — haven’t gotten any responses but interested to hear your take on it: you after all confirmed for me that Jodi was indeed unhappy when the “no unanimous” verdict came down – which surprised me because I would have thought she’d be happy with it. You said she felt out of control, which I really needed to hear at that point, so thanks again! I think you also said she expected (or hoped for) a verdict of life from the jury
      But here is what Im wondering, if Jodi was disappointed that she didnt get a life sentence from the jury, isn’t it then fair to assume that she would have believed the chances of the judge giving her life with the possibility of parole were pretty good? Because I don’t think either a sentence of LWOP or Death would be a loss to her.

      • Lisa M
        05/26/2013 at 6:09 pm

        I mean I DO think a death or LWOP sentence would be a loss to her/for her.

      • Lisa M
        05/26/2013 at 6:11 pm

        I also want to say I think that if she really expected to get a verdict of Life she is delusional or maybe she was disappointed and/or upset because she wasnt expecting a verdict at that time but was expecting a question (?)

      • 05/26/2013 at 6:19 pm

        LisaM no. I didn’t say she expected to get life. I said whatever she had been plotting the “no verdict” verdict threw a spanner in the works for her.

        I’d go back and find my original response.. but I don’t think I have time right now.

      • Lisa M
        05/26/2013 at 6:28 pm

        Ok Syn. I realize what i did: I was extrapolating my own assumption onto what you said. I was assuming her disappointment came from not getting Life but what you’re saying makes more sense since she thinks on a much “smaller picture” basis. She had something in the works or was thinking along certain lines– hence her giddiness the morning after the slew of interviews she did– and their decision put a wrench into those “plans.” As long as she was feeling out of control, that’s all I really care about anyway!

    • 05/26/2013 at 6:17 pm

      This post is in regards to JA supporters seeming even more rabid than usual and why that might be.. just in case anyone is confused. 😀

    • John
      05/27/2013 at 5:09 am

      Syntara you make me laugh. John

  141. Moon
    05/26/2013 at 5:55 pm

    Hoping someone with legal knowledge can/will answer re old gus.. since he said on tv that he knew of TA’s death since around 330 am the morning of the 5th… can something be done about this???

    • 05/26/2013 at 6:03 pm

      Moon.. not answering from legal point just from what I heard the weasel say.. and it’s covered in the comments on those 3 posts above I think?? He said he didn’t tell the cops because he didn’t think it was relevant.

      I mean seriously… this limelight hugging weasel was told by someone hysterical that they had just murdered Travis.. who he supposedly had a phone conference scheduled with.. who was VERY reliable and had been a no show.. and Searcy did nothing about it???

      It doesn’t ring true on so many levels for so many reasons.. which is exactly why to me he is guilty of at the very least accomplice after the fact even if the whole lot is made up to me he is still guilty of obfuscation at least in a moral sense.

      • HJ Madison
        05/26/2013 at 6:20 pm

        Bingo! And he is free to say whatever drivel he likes …. obviously no one believed he was ever credible. If it could be proven Jodi told him she killed Travis hours ealier and he did nothing, then he could be charged as an accessory after the fact. However, the only evidence comes from a liar and a blow-hard. Hardly worth waisting the States time or money.

      • Moon
        05/26/2013 at 6:26 pm

        thanks for answering. the conference call was to be at 6 or 630 the evening of the 4th. she didn’t phone gus till 330 the morning of the 5th… but he still should have (if she really told him this) phoned the authorities regardless

  142. 05/26/2013 at 5:59 pm

    Like ti find the names of other actors in the POD

    • 05/26/2013 at 6:04 pm

      Pod people

  143. 05/26/2013 at 6:06 pm

    The Pod People are a race of nomadic, extraterrestrial parasites originating from a now dying planet. Realizing that it was only a matter of time before the planet’s resources would be completely depleted, the pods somehow evolved the ability to defy gravity and leave their planet’s atmosphere in the search of a new world to colonize. For millennia, the pods floated in space like spores, propelled by the solar winds, some occasionally landing on inhabited planets. Once there, they would replace the dominant species by spawning emotionless replicas; the original bodies would then disintegrate into dust once the duplication process was completed. They would then consume all of the planet’s resources, only to then leave in search of yet another new world

    Sound familiar?????

    • HJ Madison
      05/26/2013 at 6:32 pm

      OK …. I appreciated the “Psycho” shower scene references and the 40 year old virgin Steve Carral, but are we now headed into “Invasion of the Body Snatchers”? … oh dear …. it must be time for me to get dinner going and the BarBe fires up!

      • 05/26/2013 at 6:45 pm

        hahahaha! I think it’s a perfect convergence!

  144. Janna
    05/26/2013 at 6:20 pm

    Ci Ci’s Circle :
    We saw and posted some of her Twitter comments but what we can’t seem to find are the interviews Jackass gave to the various networks in her “Whore-ific News Tour she did. We must really not know what we’re doing on Boob tube because we can’t find nuthin!!! There’s one interview that we’re looking for in particular because Dr. Drew played a snipit where she actually makes an indication that as long as she isn’t “abused or yelled at” she’d be ok if she is ever released!! Sooooo…..in other words…..as long as no one does these things she won’t kill again but if they do……uh oh….look out!! And nooooo…..we didn’t watch any of her interviews but we just wanted to see what the segment Dr. Drew had was about. Anyone have any ideas how to find it????

    A few hundred comments “upstairs” I pasted links for 3 interviews given by Arias during her media blitz. There’s actually a 4th one that I’ll list here. My Bookmarks are a jumbled mess so I apologize for not getting this one mentioned upstairs.

    This interview is with Diana Alvear.


  145. 05/26/2013 at 6:24 pm

    HJ Madison :
    Bingo! And he is free to say whatever drivel he likes …. obviously no one believed he was ever credible. If it could be proven Jodi told him she killed Travis hours ealier and he did nothing, then he could be charged as an accessory after the fact. However, the only evidence comes from a liar and a blow-hard. Hardly worth waisting the States time or money.

    Zegactly… Plus HJ ….read my comments on those 3 part posts… you will see he hedges about the dates on every interview. It’s very interesting and highlights just exactly how much of a slime ball and how deliberate his interference and obfuscation is.

  146. Janna
    05/26/2013 at 6:34 pm

    In quick summary …. I think there were a total of 5 televised interviews that took place “after” the media ban was lifted by the court. These 5 interviews took place on 05/22 right before sentencing

    1. Ryan Owens
    2. Troy Haden
    3. Amy Murphy
    4. Michael Kiefer
    5. Diana Alvear

    There was the 1 additional BOMBSHELL interview with Troy Haden immediately following the M1 conviction.

    • Family of Law
      05/26/2013 at 7:10 pm

      Hi Janna 🙂 I read the text from the Amy Murphy interveiw, and watched the ABC with Ryan Owens, loved him! He IS such a “hater”! Lol!!! I can’t bring myself to watch the others, because I’ve read so much about how they played into her “celebrity”- I fear I’d break my iPad when I chucked it in disgust…

      • Janna
        05/26/2013 at 7:40 pm

        Ryan Owens and Troy Haden were my faves. I posted this info for Ci Ci’s Circle because they were searching for the links. Sure hope they see these before thread closes. One of my related comments #529 in “waiting moderation” because it contains a link + Quote.

  147. Janna
    05/26/2013 at 6:39 pm

    P.S. See #90, #91, #92, #93 for links

  148. Jay
    05/26/2013 at 6:56 pm

    country club life

    • Jay
      05/26/2013 at 6:57 pm

      but perryville will be more like this:

      • Lisa M
        05/27/2013 at 2:14 pm

        Thanks for posting this Jay. It was very informative. I felt sorry for Parris, who was having such a hard time adjusting to her sentence. The show really brought home the horrors of solitary too and the unrelenting grey-ness of living within the prison. The absent of sunlight alone would cause so much deprivation.

  149. Jay
    05/26/2013 at 7:52 pm

    And REPEAT:

    No LWOP prisoner has EVER been given early release anywhere in the US.
    Never has happened. Won’t happen in conservative Arizona.
    The Legislature would have to change the law retroactively.
    The chance of that happening in law & order Arizona is between zero and none.

    Even if she gets a 25 to Life Sentence, in reality she’s facing more like 50 years to life for a murder. The jury found premeditation and a cruelty aggravater. Parole boards don’t let convicts convicted of those First Degree murder charges out early (Manson, for instance, is never going to get paroled).

    If Arias survives till 80 she’d be a tottering 80 year old hag trembling with palsy, and most everybody here will either be dead and gone, or too blind or deaf to know or care about it. And maybe she will reform in prison and do something positive for society. Like become the Cockroach Woman of Perryville — a female equivalent of the Birdman of Alcatraz — making pets of and studying and sketching and writing about creepy-crawly slimy things, for which she will discover an unknown affinity.

    She could raise them and sell them (online) as the Birdman did his canaries (and appropriately name some of them after her legal team and expert witnesses), and use the proceeds to help pay for her incarceration (and attending to the sanitary byproducts of roach colonies).

    I’m sure most of you would prefer her raising flesh-eating killer maggots, but larvae are more difficult to domesticate, and you can always hope her roaches transmogrify into voracious flesh eaters as well.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/26/2013 at 8:10 pm

      Thanks for the posts as well as the commentary. Made me laugh seeing the private creepshow of the future/

    • Chrissie A
      05/26/2013 at 8:28 pm

      Hi Jay it’s somewhat soothing to hear that this is what awaits her. Tx

  150. 05/26/2013 at 7:58 pm

    Don’t know if this has been discussed but anyone remember this? I recall watching this or reading where JA had a roommate in CA. She was having “bible studies” with men. She would have her roommate exit the room and the roomie could clearly all that was going on. Roomie wanted her mother to get her out of there. I can’t remember much more. There was more to the story.

    • MMD
      05/26/2013 at 8:18 pm

      JA was not in jail at that time. What happened was that she told this girl that Darryl had left her high and dry and she needed a roommate to help her pay the bills. Yes, she did say she was having “bible studies” but apparently there was a constant flow of men in and out and the roommate was told to stay in her bedroom. I think she only lasted 3 or 6 six weeks living with JA.

      Once JA was arrested the roommate and the mother both contacted Det. Flores but he was more interested in her actions while in AZ and not CA. The roommate had met Travis Alexander, don’t know how many times, but thought he was a really nice guy.

      • HJ Madison
        05/26/2013 at 8:48 pm

        That’s “juicy” … where do you think you learned that? I hope they release all of mom and dad’s police interviews some day.

      • HJ Madison
        05/26/2013 at 8:52 pm

        Did you hear it on Nancy Grace?

    • Priscilla
      05/26/2013 at 8:23 pm

      Yes, I think it was on Nancy Grace. She had the mother of the girl on the phone. She even said that she had called and reported this to the police when the investigation was first beginning but she never got called back. I had to laugh when I heard the term “bible studies” because that was the code phrase we used back in college when my peeps & I would leave the library to go out to the parking lot to sip down jello shots from the cooler in the trunk of one of my friend’s car !!!

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/26/2013 at 8:28 pm

        LOL good one wobo’s “bible studies” a new code

      • HJ Madison
        05/26/2013 at 8:56 pm

        Priscilla! I am shocked! 😱I thought only my generation did stuff like that! No wonder I did not hear this juicy tidbit …. I rarely can take Nancy Grace – I am sure you understand.

    • 05/26/2013 at 8:37 pm

      Yes I wouldn’t put it past BG58 to watch NG. You guys amaze me.

  151. Schaeffer
    05/26/2013 at 8:16 pm

    ringadingding :
    Does anyone know where JA was at 3:30 am on June 5th? Wasn’t she in Utah?

    After murdering Travis and splitting, WOBO called Travis’s voice mail between 10:30 and 11:00 pm, at which time she was between Kingman, AZ and the NV border. She arrived at Ryan Burns in West Jordan, UT between 10:00 and 11:00 am on the 5th. The distance between those two points is roughly 500 miles, or 7 hours driving time; it took her closer to 12 hours. There is speculation she pulled over and slept somewhere, but a location was never disclosed. Of course, somewhere along the line she had to detour to dispose of the evidence, but I believe she did it before she left AZ, simply because she would want to get the evidence away from her ASAP. Also, she was more familiar with AZ than NV, so she would have a better idea of where to disappear with the evidence, and she would not have risked sleeping anywhere with bloody evidence in the car; we know the floor mats were tossed, so I have to believe she hightailed it into the desert somewhere in AZ before she went very far at all.

    • ringadingding
      05/26/2013 at 8:27 pm

      Thank you! I had no idea it took that long to get to Ryan Burns. So, if she did call Gus at 3:30 am, she was still on the road to Utah, thinking that Travis’ body must have been found and that she needed to blow as much smoke in different directions as possible.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/26/2013 at 8:31 pm

      I love this sense of instant google.love it.

    • Douglme
      05/26/2013 at 11:52 pm

      What time did she leave the message on Travis’s answering machine? She may have phoned Gus around the same time. That is when she said she found her phone, right?

  152. Marilyn N
    05/26/2013 at 8:25 pm

    Just your friendly reminder person here – an interesting Websleuths on now…….

    • ringadingding
      05/26/2013 at 9:02 pm

      Thanks. So far, I’m not buying what this guest is selling. She seems to take JA’s account at face value.

  153. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/26/2013 at 8:26 pm

    a comment in today’s NY Daily News

    ADAM BOMB 170112 hours ago
    There are two rules to infidelity. If the man cheats, it’s the man’s fault. If the woman cheats, it’s the man’s fault.

    –LaViolettism is in the air.

  154. Moon
    05/26/2013 at 9:05 pm

    Well sorry but I think this Dr. Lillian Glass doesn’t know all the facts of this case!

    She says that she may very well believe Darryl in that the Ho wasn’t this way before. Guess she doesn’t have the confrontational info from the other relationships.

    She believes that Travis kept allowing ho back, AND having sex. I still don’t believe that….to believe that they continued to have sex every time…. those are Ho’s words.

    The ho said in one of those waiting for penalty interviews that b4 that sex call there was an email/or chat but that wasn’t introduced. I have always felt that she planted that “scene” in his head B4 the call, and he even sounded bored when reading “his lines”

    She says that she never saw the throat slashing motions in court but instead believes it was the ho with her hand on her throat she was being vulerable. Like I said, this Dr., as much as I think she is good, certainly didn’t get all the facts on this b4 discussing it!

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/26/2013 at 9:16 pm

      I popped in and then cut out when I heard this ‘expert’ start describing what to look for when picking the next jury and how it depends on what side hired her, as to how she’d describe what to do. I mean. Certainly yet another reason to revamp the system and get rid of this stuff. In that vein, it was as a jury consultant for Oprah that “dr” phil got his big break. Watch out. We’ll have this “dr” next!

  155. Family of Law
    05/26/2013 at 9:12 pm

    Three of the jurors that voted in favor of the Death Penalty


    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/26/2013 at 9:22 pm

      they should never have put themselves into a position where they would be photographed raising their hand for death for the general public. I know the bozo wanna-be-important parttime-radio-guy- foreman started it all, but their actions have placed the whole concept of the “sacred” jury room deliberations into farce. The ‘countdown’ has started 12 jurors; 4 calls.

      “Get the rest!” screams Perry White. “On the double Clark & Lois” and “, ” Jimmy, for Great Caesar’s Ghost get a picture!!!!”

      • HJ Madison
        05/26/2013 at 9:39 pm

        What sacred jury room? Unless otherwise court ordered any juror is free to talk on any subject. Supposedly this jury agreed to remain silent thru this weekend, but otherwise …..

  156. Priscilla
    05/26/2013 at 9:16 pm

    HJ Madison :Priscilla! I am shocked! 😱I thought only my generation did stuff like that! No wonder I did not hear this juicy tidbit …. I rarely can take Nancy Grace – I am sure you understand.

    Well, you don’t know what generation I am !!! Would it still shock you if I told you that I haven’t seen the inside of a college library since 1974. Those were the days my friend…

    • HJ Madison
      05/26/2013 at 9:49 pm

      Oh lordy! They were indeed!

  157. Moon
    05/26/2013 at 9:19 pm

    Does anyone know why Juan didn’t or perhaps couldn’t bring up the fact that when they arrested her she had another rental car complete with new gun and knives?

    • HJ Madison
      05/26/2013 at 9:44 pm

      Not relevant …. interesting, but not relevant. Her DT could have attributed it to anything ….

      • Moon
        05/26/2013 at 9:52 pm

        ohh ty


      • Moon
        05/26/2013 at 10:05 pm

        Thank you, HJ for always being so helpful and making it easier for me to understand ! I appreciate your time!

        In this next go-round, can Juan bring up the tracing vs art?

      • Douglme
        05/27/2013 at 12:02 am

        Might it be relevant in the penalty phase? 🙄

  158. Moon
    05/26/2013 at 9:28 pm

    I would also love it if Juan could bring up that friend of TAs that was in the car when the ho said she was going to move to AZ, and how TA kept telling her, you have no biz coming here. i don’t want you to move here. don’t move here. yet, ho testified that TA begged her to move to AZ.
    anyone that could now believe ANY thing that evil reptillian mouth of hers spews needs serious HELP

    • Lisa M
      05/26/2013 at 11:32 pm

      It’s truly unbelievable how Jodi turned everything around. How a person can sit there with a straight face and say I didn’t stalk him; I wasn’t obsessed. Can you imagine how freaked out Travis must have been? I don’t know who that witness was but maybe he couldnt testify because what he heard would be considered heresay.

      • Moon
        05/27/2013 at 3:14 am

        which is so ridiculas, in this case! i get it that it’s hearsay– but not in this case?? That duhfense was able to smear TA, and not have any of that not allowed.

        It cracks me up that so many of the talking heads, such as this Dr. Glass tonite, picks and chooses what they believe hodi says. and that they all seem to believe all the sex above all else! The only words to come out of her mouth that are true are her name and birthdate!

  159. 05/26/2013 at 9:34 pm

    really quick drop in.. just listened to a very small bit of the websleuths… not impressed with Dr Glass… thought some of the stuff I’ve already read of hers was not quite on the mark.. but what I heard on websleuths I truly question deeply. Some things she is good with. For example I think she should probably stick to body language and ditch the rest.

    Interpreting the throat slit as a hand on the throat area told me she really doesn’t know this case.

    It was about a throat slit motion.. however her interpretation of the throat slit motion not being a reference to actually slitting Juan’s throat or anyone elses.. yes I do agree with that definitely and have always maintained that.

    I have my own interpretation of it and I agree it is not in Jodistein’s nature to do it as the commonly perceived “I’m going to slit your throat too” insinuation.

    For someone who says she wants to educate people on sociopaths.. Dr Glass has some questionable ‘insights”.

    I’ll listen to her part of the show in it’s entirely when I get time and try to do a proper ‘piece’ on it rather than just a throwaway comment like this one.

    • Moon
      05/26/2013 at 9:45 pm

      well she admitted she hasn’t even seen all of this nightmare, and the only snipit she seems to remember about the throat thing was dif than the throat slitting motions.

      is your interp on it that something needs to be released?

    • Lisa M
      05/27/2013 at 2:18 pm

      I assume you’re talking about Lillian Glass. Check out her blog on her web site where she analyzes Jodi and Wimott’s reaction to the penalty phase non-verdict. She makes a lot of assumptions.

  160. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/26/2013 at 9:57 pm

    HJ Madison :
    What sacred jury room? Unless otherwise court ordered any juror is free to talk on any subject. Supposedly this jury agreed to remain silent thru this weekend, but otherwise

    The American system has given it that status. The whole idea of not being listened to during debate; the whole idea of not having a written record on the debate; the concept of an individual’s responsibility; the frequent expression by jurors that they would keep discussions private – these are some of the ways a sense of “sacred” I think has been understood. As tradition. As something to respect. The first reports I read were that no one on the jury was going to discuss it right away.; maybe until next week (wasn’t that their word or bond to each other? Isn’t such ‘sacred’?)

    I know that there have been shows with jurors discussing a case, but when a case is hung I don’t think its all that common. Also, I can’t recall one photo of a few jurors with raised hands in a death penalty trial. I mean I havent looked for ’em, but my memory bank doesn’t even budge. That pic alone is worth 1000 words. I said enough.

    • HJ Madison
      05/27/2013 at 12:49 am

      Hung jury’s are ALWAYS interviewed prior to re-trial, in fact I have seen it done in a courtroom following a hung-verdict! The subject of many appeals is jury misconduct, often based on what jurors say about one another! The Arias Jury foreman did not need to raise his hand as it was obvious how he voted.

      A trial is a public proceeding. The judge decides, based State and Federal rules, what is as admissable as evidence. Some proceedings are sealed because they are considered inflammatory. Most are unsealed at the end of trial. The only thing “sacred” is a jurors oath to avoid media, maintain an open mind prior to deliberations and to actively deliberate. when asked to. Afterward, any juror is free to express any opinion or observation they wish.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/27/2013 at 3:52 am

        Let’s agree to disagree about what is ‘sacred’ in the jury process. Maybe we use the word differently;. I certainly think the first 2 things I mentioned are ‘sacred’ to many people I also think a tradition of one’s word as one’s bond is sacred
        to many people and professions.Word was out that they had “agreed” to not talk about it right now and agreed not to tell other peoples votes. That bond went out the window pretty fast. Thus, my knock at the ‘profane’ in midst of the ‘sacred’.
        (Maybe the trouble is that there is nothing that is considered
        sacred’ anymore.)

  161. Allison
    05/26/2013 at 10:12 pm

    Earlier, you guys were discussing the Hughes during trial – and I can’t find the youtube with Sky on it. Does anyone know which day it was on??? Thanks

    • Moon
      05/26/2013 at 10:31 pm

      I think it’s the evidentary hearing on day 10.
      i hope i’m right!

      • Allison
        05/26/2013 at 11:05 pm

        I watched that one and all I saw was Chris and Abe and Gus. Anyone else know???

      • ringadingding
        05/26/2013 at 11:20 pm

        I can’t find it either, Allison. But I did catch that little gem with Gus playing coy about who was in the car with him. I thought the judge was going to press the ejection button. So irritating.

      • ringadingding
      • Moon
        05/26/2013 at 11:55 pm

        sorry Allison, here is part 2 of that evidentiary hearing, day 18 sky on stand!

  162. Douglme
    05/26/2013 at 10:23 pm

    HJ Madison :
    Bingo! And he is free to say whatever drivel he likes …. obviously no one believed he was ever credible. If it could be proven Jodi told him she killed Travis hours ealier and he did nothing, then he could be charged as an accessory after the fact. However, the only evidence comes from a liar and a blow-hard. Hardly worth waisting the States time or money.

    What would it take? A check of each of their phone records should do it…he said Jodi called him at 3:30 a.m. hysterical and said Travis was dead. Wouldn’t he show a call coming in and she show a call going out?? Just asking?

    • HJ Madison
      05/27/2013 at 12:56 am

      Nope . The records establish a call took place. This is the classic case of “he said, she said” and neither seem too believable to me.

  163. 05/26/2013 at 11:37 pm

    Who is wobo’s girlfriend in jail, Ann Campbell? Is there a photo of her?

  164. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/26/2013 at 11:48 pm

    Brightgirl58 :
    RER what other books/novels would you suggest along these lines? I never read EofE so I’ll start with that one.

    I always found these folks evil::

    Velma ,farewell in farewell, my lovely
    Phyllis in Double Indemnity
    Quilty in Lolita
    Edmund in King Lear
    Richard III
    Bruno from “Strangers on a Train”
    (Dracula and Satan in Paradise Lost
    and the Joker all seemed more symbol than
    person to me)

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/27/2013 at 12:02 am

      The only one written directly for film was the Barbara Stanwyck character in “Double Indemnity”
      Raymond Chandler, Vladimir Nabokov. Shakespeare and Patricia Highsmith are the authors.
      I also meant to put “Rebecca” by Daphne DuMurier also made into a Hitchcock film.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/27/2013 at 12:14 am

        When younger, films and books would have “good” or “bad” or “amoral” characters for me. It seemed however, that when I read some, they were “bad” in a Machiavellian way -the knowingly manipulative kind that seemed not only bad but evil. Maybe because they could feign good so well.

        I guess, as I have aged, I. started to read more non-fiction and found the people in books by Shana Alexander, Joe McGuinness. Ann Rule,Truman Capote, Norman Mailer and others.

        I also have now accepted an understanding of “evil” characters in the non-fiction world, reading books on (primarily) European and American history and books on the murders of the Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King.

    • 05/27/2013 at 1:51 am

      Thank you and will take all into consideration. Voracious reading is my forte.

  165. Douglme
    05/26/2013 at 11:55 pm

    Robert exits Rotterdam :
    a comment in today’s NY Daily News
    ADAM BOMB 170112 hours ago
    There are two rules to infidelity. If the man cheats, it’s the man’s fault. If the woman cheats, it’s the man’s fault.
    –LaViolettism is in the air.

    LOL sounds about right, lol…:grin:

  166. Douglme
    05/26/2013 at 11:58 pm

    Moon :
    Well sorry but I think this Dr. Lillian Glass doesn’t know all the facts of this case!
    She says that she may very well believe Darryl in that the Ho wasn’t this way before. Guess she doesn’t have the confrontational info from the other relationships.
    She believes that Travis kept allowing ho back, AND having sex. I still don’t believe that….to believe that they continued to have sex every time…. those are Ho’s words.
    The ho said in one of those waiting for penalty interviews that b4 that sex call there was an email/or chat but that wasn’t introduced. I have always felt that she planted that “scene” in his head B4 the call, and he even sounded bored when reading “his lines”
    She says that she never saw the throat slashing motions in court but instead believes it was the ho with her hand on her throat she was being vulerable. Like I said, this Dr., as much as I think she is good, certainly didn’t get all the facts on this b4 discussing it!

    I was not impressed with her either! She is taking JA words for fact…found her very hard to listen to…in fact I think I tuned out most of her comments. 😀

  167. Moon
    05/27/2013 at 12:00 am

    ringadingding :Found it! Day 18:

    ahhhhhh i shoulda refreshed b4 i posted!! wtg ring! sorry this is a repost

    • ringadingding
      05/27/2013 at 9:35 am

      No problem! I like that you were able to embed the video. I can’t figure that part out. 🙂

  168. Moon
    05/27/2013 at 12:05 am

    ooops!! ss donchais, did a no no!
    just wanted to say to ring 🙂 wtg!! i shoulda refreshed b3 i posted! ss this is now at least a 2nd repost.. maybe 3 if/when out of mod eek

  169. Moon
    05/27/2013 at 12:34 am

    caught up now watching that vid of day 18!!
    whines a lot has her cell phone w/her. MS has her phone w/her. they seem to be texting each other??
    wonder why they were allowed to have their phones?

    • ringadingding
      05/27/2013 at 9:38 am

      I missed that, but I sure didn’t miss the hatred pouring out of JA’s eyes. Sky seemed really nervous. I feel for her. At least she was honest and not ashamed to say yes, she wanted JA to be convicted. It was really slimey of Nurmi to have her removed from the hearing room under the guise of a subpoena. Chris was right, they never intended to call them as witnesses. They just wanted them to be prevented from following the trial and helping the prosecution.

      • Lisa M
        05/27/2013 at 2:23 pm

        Yeah if looks could kill… Jodi had so much hatred for her and also contempt. And yes, Nurmi was so sleazy with that maneuver.

  170. 05/27/2013 at 1:06 am

    Thought you mind find some interesting reading going on around here since there was discussion re DP.


  171. HJ Madison
    05/27/2013 at 1:06 am

    Douglme :
    Might it be relevant in the penalty phase?

    Was Jodi actually taken into custody and driven to the police station before her arrest? I was always under the impression she willingly came into the police station for an interview of her own volition. If she was actually attempting to flee when she was detained then it would matter –a demonstration of “conscienceness of guilt”. Otherwise, who knows. But they have so many other very powerful things she did – she knew he was dead and yet called his cell a bunch of times… the weapons, floormats and Jodi’s bloody clothes were never found. She went to Utah to “grind” on Ryan Burns and talked about Travis having children on day …. just a bunch of other stuff!

    Are you guys hoping the rental car with gun and knives is used because it shows her to be a potential danger?

    • Douglme
      05/27/2013 at 1:20 am

      I was kind of thinking that…:shock:

    • Douglme
      05/27/2013 at 1:24 am

      I thought she was taken into custody because why would she be without her purse and makeup and keep asking if she could get it. Det. Flores said her Mother would bring it or something to that affect…

    • Moon
      05/27/2013 at 2:58 am

      Yesss so much so HJ, she was a danger. She did not go voluntary on Jul or was it jun 15. well that is she didn’t put up a fight, but she didn’t drive herslef to pd. From jun 10 to her arrest date, she initiated convos with flores. day she was arrested she was headed off in to the sunset, her father speaks of it too during his interview on her arrest day (w/flores).

      She said herself even in the latest interview that she was ready to ride off into the sunset. Also in her latest interview, she again admitted that she doesn’t know if she would have turned herself in (but said she’d like to think she would’ve.

  172. 05/27/2013 at 1:54 am

    Syn, I do believe I recall your saying on the day of the non-verdict verdict, you would be posting your thoughts the following day on a subject I can’t remember! Did you do that yet?

  173. SeniorMoments
    05/27/2013 at 2:28 am

    Please forgive if these questions have been answered. I’m sure some of them have. I’ve not gone back to the earliest threads after the non-verdict: 1) Where is Jodi right now? Estrella jail? Is she held there until she is sentenced even though she is convicted and, regardless of what sentence she receives, will be going to the state prison in Perryville? 2). If she is in Estrella, is she on 23 hour lockup and out of the general population? If so, will she be held under those restrictions until she is formally sentenced including through all of the sentencing trials? 3). Are all interviews forbidden? If so, for how long? I know that 48 hours and Dateline interview prisoners in prisons. Can the sentencing judge continue an order to forbid them?

    Thanks! I just want to see this info all in one place. I appreciate all of you!

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/27/2013 at 4:00 am

      1) stays at Estrella till sentencing
      2) dont know; heard that but not confirmed
      3)The DA office said interviews controlled by Sherif;. Sheriff said no more interviews

      I don’t know the role of the Judge in this; I dont think it is a judge matter. Its an enforcement or policy matter. Maybe others will chim ein and expand or correct.

      • SeniorMoments
        05/27/2013 at 11:22 am

        Thank you very much, Robert. That helps!

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        05/27/2013 at 7:10 pm

        Well who does the Sheriff report to??? Isn’t there a chain of command there? Seems strange that this man can call all the shots an no one has jurisdiction over him!

  174. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/27/2013 at 4:17 am

    NY Times comment on new book called “The Shining Girls” by Lauren Beukes:

    “I’ll see you when you’re all grown-up,” he promises. “Look out for me, O.K., sweetheart? I’ll come back for you.” Thirteen years later he does…….

    We neither get nor want to read his mind; it’s Kirby’s gumption and bravery that matter. She was a special kid, but she wasn’t necessarily bound for glory. It took a monstrous villain to turn her into a heroine.”

    The Irish writer Tana French, no slouch at transfixing and scaring readers, may have spoken for us all when she said of this expert hair-raiser: “It creeped the holy bejasus out of me.”

  175. nyccowgirl
    05/27/2013 at 8:55 am

    ringadingding :
    Here’s the link to the LockUp interview: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3036750/ns/msnbc-documentaries/vp/38113478#38113478
    I remember when this aired several years ago. It seemed there was more to the interview than this, but it’s a starting point.

    seems everyone in prison is an artist. at least hers is not copycat version.

    • nyccowgirl
      05/27/2013 at 8:59 am

      syn – this has been posted before but in case you need it

    • nyccowgirl
      05/27/2013 at 9:04 am

      an earlier one although i can’t seem to find an unedited version

    • nyccowgirl
      05/27/2013 at 9:07 am

      sorry, apparently technically challenged – those other links aren’t what were pasted so not sure what happened.

    • nyccowgirl
      05/27/2013 at 9:10 am

      sorry donchais, i don’t know how to delete other posts to clean up sandbox. i’ll head to naughty corner now.

  176. GN5020
    05/27/2013 at 10:16 am

    Was on a long airplane flight so I had WAY too much time to keep thinking about the possible retrial. However, some thoughts … I am a huge fan of JM but felt that he was a little matter-of-fact about “these mitigation factors don’t have anything to do with the crime”, and I hope in Round Two he brings his usual passion with much more focus on her lack of remorse, her countless lies and manipulation (including showing ALL her media interviews, with makeup and without librarian glasses), and how friends of TA’s saw how evil she was.

    Also, next time I hope he makes the very clear point that whether or not the jury finds any mitigation factor substantial enough to offer leniency, it should not be based on where JA fits on a range of other serial killers who have been given DP or LWOP. Their decision should be based as it is stated in the jury instructions alone.

    I expect the defense to push on abuse and BPD so if we see ALV and Samuels as witnesses, who both talked extensively about JA recounting how she awoke from her fog with blood all over her, I hope he goes through how there was no blood anywhere in the house outside the bed/bath even though we know JA loaded the washer and used a bottle of bleach — meaning she fed them a total load of crap about a very significant part of her story. She did not leave that house covered in blood, and if she had a cut on her hand that bled while she drove, it would not have been enough to have made her instantly think Travis must be dead, or the rental car would have been covered in blood. Focus on her lies to them and facts to negate whatever they have to say about her mental state.

    • ringadingding
      05/27/2013 at 10:42 am

      Yes, I think it would be great if he would lay this out in a very specific way. I even think it would help if he used a flip chart to to a side by side comparison:

      Aggravators Mitigators
      Stabbed 29 Times Promises to start a book club
      Throat slashed Promises to start a recycling program
      Shot in the face Is a good friend
      Dragged body Will grow hair for cancer survivors
      Extreme suffering Can draw with pencils

      • ringadingding
        05/27/2013 at 10:44 am

        Darn. I tried to create a chart. Oh well, imagine two categories side by side. I think it’s important to line them up and see how they stack up against each other.

    • Lisa M
      05/27/2013 at 2:32 pm

      Those are all great points GN5020. I was very frustrated by the fact that Juan didn’t show JA’s post-verdict interview during the penalty phase. I still don’t know why he didn’t. He focused narrowly on the instructions, perhaps assuming the jurors would do the same, which unfortunately as we know didn’t happen.
      Maybe he can also present more victim impact statements in the next penalty trial. I would also love to see more evidence come in from Travis’ friends but that might be here say (?)
      I think given another chance Juan will use everything in his power (including the additional interviews she gave) to go after her.

  177. ringadingding
    05/27/2013 at 10:25 am

    Syn, for your list of questions we’ve had for you in the past: If she’s so in control and organized why does her cell reflect such a disordered mind?

    Btw, this is highly paraphrased, as it wasn’t a question so much as an observation based on my assumption that she was organized and in control, yet her cell was a mess. You cleared that up for me and, again, she came into sharper focus. I felt duped, having bought into her facade of orderliness (thinking she was more like Hannibal Lector in that regard).

    I’m just trying to think of key questions/issues you addressed that woke me up to what makes her tick. One of the things that’s bothered me about her is the way she’s able to create confusion in me, and that makes me think of other people in my life who’ve done that as a way to deflect from whatever nonsense they were up to. I’m not saying they’re psychopathic, but there’s seems to be a similarity there in terms of how expert liars operate. It scares me, quite frankly, because even though I try really hard to “see” what’s going on, I tend to believe the best in people (or maybe it’s just denial) and don’t see it coming.

    • Kristy
      05/27/2013 at 10:50 am

      How do you know what her cell looks like?

      • ringadingding
        05/27/2013 at 10:50 am

        It was on tv. HLN was given access while she was out.

      • Kristy
        05/27/2013 at 10:52 am

        Interesting, what did it look like, and did she share her cell?

      • ringadingding
        05/27/2013 at 10:54 am

        No, she was not sharing. It was after the 23 hour confinement was instituted. I’m sure you can google and find it.

      • nyccowgirl
      • Kristy
        05/27/2013 at 11:45 am

        I found it, but lets face it, if she’s isn’t allowed file cabinets, its probably about as well organized as it could be. Piles of manilla folders. So her bed isn’t made, that doesn’t say much except that she doesn’t care about that and since it wasn’t technically her cell, it could have been mussed up for the camera.

      • nyccowgirl
        05/27/2013 at 12:03 pm

        it was her cell. the video that was online is where they used a clip for another segment and in that segment there are also shots of an empty cell which they show clips of both, which is why the commentator notes ‘similar cell’ (as i got confused with her comment too). the original segment which showed more details of her cell including her bottles of lotion, shampoo, etc. show much more disorganization. i actually think the original segment was done by the local news station azcentral (but i couldn’t find it).

      • HJ Madison
        05/27/2013 at 12:50 pm

        If memory serves, these pictures followed one of those incredibly intense days when Jodi showed up looking particularly wretched with greasy hair. I recall my delight in thinking she had already had such a “bad hair day”, imagine how pissed she would be to learn a bunch of reporters had been allowed to traipse thru her digs. Poor Jodi! — teehee!

    • Kathy A.
      05/27/2013 at 12:07 pm

      I know you addressed your comment to Syn, but I wanted to respond to the part where you mentioned that JA is able to create confusion in you, and it makes you think of other people in your life. Manipulators do that. I had a relative who has since passed away who was a long-time drug addict. He wasn’t psychopathic but every day he had to figure out how to come up with money to feed his habit, and generally his methods involved lying and manipulation. Even though I knew what he was all about and that most of what he said was B.S. in an attempt to get money, he could still cause doubt and confusion in me sometimes. If I had a blue shirt on and he said it was red, after a couple of minutes I would be questioning whether I did put a red shirt on; if I questioned him, he always had an explanation that no matter how ridiculous, had just enough truth in it to make me think maybe he was telling the truth. And of course, I was the one who always misunderstood what he said, everything was always blamed on others – they were wrong, I was wrong, what I heard was not what he said, and on and on. I don’t think you’re in denial, just some people are very, very good at playing others,no matter how wide open their eyes are. JA has been doing this for a long time – she knows how to spot weakness, what personality to adopt to get what she wants, what stories will work best on her targets. She’s obviously stunned that her lies are being questioned and that the State of Arizona and Alexander family are holding her accountable and looking behind her mask.

      • ringadingding
        05/27/2013 at 1:07 pm

        Thank you for that, Kathy.

      • Lisa M
        05/27/2013 at 2:46 pm

        Kathy I had a pathological liar in my life until recently too and I can relate to everything you said. They bend the truth. It’s subtle and their lies always have some truth in them. They also lie by omission and deflect responsibility. In my case the person would suggest she had no choice but to lie (without using the word “lie” of course). It was always another person’s fault. What she really meant by that was that the other person was preventing her from doing what she wanted to do. So entitlement played a big part in her lies as well. I can’t tell you how relieved I am to have this liar/ manipulator out of my life. Things finally came to a head when some of her family members and I got in touch with each other and shared her lies with each other. We all knew her modus operandi but it was helpful to see all the lies clearly. Then we confronted her – separately. She never responded to me so I just left it at that and don’t plan any further contact with her. Unfortunately her family can’t do the same but at least she can’t use me to bolster her lies to them and she’s got one less avenue of manipulation to use on them.

      • Kathy A.
        05/27/2013 at 6:23 pm


        Glad that person is out of your life. People like that can make you question your own perception of reality at times.

  178. Anonymous
    05/27/2013 at 11:13 am

    Want to say thank you to all of those veterans and men and women who are still serving in the military around the world for your service and sacrifice.

  179. nyccowgirl
    05/27/2013 at 11:23 am
  180. Anonymous
    05/27/2013 at 11:23 am

    Just a comment on something that has been brought up several times and seems to be causing confusion about sentencing here in Arizona. I think Jay addressed this on the previous page as well. LWOP should not be confused with Life. They are two separate sentences; the jury will decide death (because the death penalty can only be given by a jury) or life. If the jury recommends a life sentence, the judge will then determine whether she gets LWOP or Life. They are not interchangeable. LWOP means Life Without Parole and she will spend her natural life in prison; Life means 25 to life, and she will be eligible for parole after 25 years (or 20 since she’s served 5 already), and just because she comes up for parole in 25 years, doesn’t mean she will get it. Honestly, I really don’t see Judge Stephens or any other judge giving her less than LWOP based on the heinousness of her crime, her lack of remorse, and the judge wanting to be re-elected.

  181. Kathy A.
    05/27/2013 at 11:49 am

    I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but the jury foreman’s justifications for why he couldn’t vote the death penalty really bother me because they make no sense, particularly his arguments that JA doesn’t look like a killer and that she’s not Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles Manson. Let’s look at that. Jeffrey Dahmer didn’t look like a killer, either. Some people described him as wholesome-looking, even nice-looking. Charles Manson, for the era in which he was leading his “family” looked like many other hippies walking the streets. Skinny, only about 5’4″ tall, scraggly, and Manson didn’t actually kill anyone. But how about those Manson girls? Do they look like killers to you, Jury Foreman? Petite, brunette, some of them quite attractive. Yet, along with one male member of the Manson Family, they brutally slaughtered 7 innocent people over a two-day period, and it was the “girls” who did most of the killing. They snickered and giggled their way through the trial Yet that jury was not swayed by their looks and gave them as well as Manson the death penalty, which was commuted to life when California originally abolished the death penalty. Susan Atkins tried to get out on compassionate release a few years ago because she had brain cancer, but it was denied and she died in prison. Debra Tate, the sister of Sharon Tate, shows up at every one of their parole hearings to make sure the crimes are not forgotten and to fight against any of them being paroled, and I don’t believe any of them will ever be paroled.

    What does the foreman think a killer should look like, exactly?

    • GN5020
      05/27/2013 at 12:04 pm

      I know. The jury instructions didn’t say “compare this guilty defendant’s appearance or crime against all others in prison”, it said to compare the substance of her specific mitigation factors against the substance of the proven aggravating factor of her crime.

  182. Irie Girl
    05/27/2013 at 12:11 pm

    I just watched part of one of those videos, and I am disgusted!!! I don’t post often and I keep my past personal but I feel the need to get this off my chest. My first marriage fell apart when my ex started abusing meth and Xanax. It was an ugly fast decline that ended with my wrist shattered and the lense of my right eye displaced. I stabbed him in the leg with a knife that had been knocked off the counter to get him off of me. And then I ran, bleeding screaming unable to see with my right arm dangling deformed at my side. I began following this trial because at first I thought there but for the grace of god. As the trial progress I was aware this was nothing like what had happened to me.
    Now this bitch says she wants to tell woman in abusive relationships to document. What I here is “make sure when you kill him you have records so your not in my shoes”
    I want to tell anyone in any relationship that has become physical to get out. Get away save you self!!! Screw pictures, I have plates and screws holding my arm together. I had to learn to do everything from using a can opener to putting my keys in the ignition to using toilet paper left handed. It’s not worth being right or proving your case or even revenge.
    I didn’t cry foul when she used the dv defense, I thought it was nasty but she’s nasty it didn’t effect me. But now she is pretty much encouraging women to stay and get hurt just you know take pictures. UNBELIEVABLE!! For that alone she should be silenced.

    • nyccowgirl
      05/27/2013 at 12:22 pm

      i’m so sorry what you went through. so glad you’re out and safe. what she has done has made it tougher for the next true victim, similar to those who falsely claim rape. a huge disservice and insult to all victims.

    • Kathy A.
      05/27/2013 at 12:51 pm

      Irie Girl,
      I am so sorry to hear what you went through with your ex, but am glad you made it out and are still here to tell the story. JA seems to bring that reaction out in many people, drives them to tell their personal stories because her claims of being a battered woman, suffering with PTSD, etc. are an insult to everyone who has actually experienced those things because she’s full of crap for one thing, but also dispenses advice that is flip and ridiculous. Glad you found this site and felt comfortable enough to share.

      • Irie Girl
        05/27/2013 at 1:04 pm

        Thank you all it was long ago and lesson learned. It’s just her saying document document document. Instead of get out. We all seem to be rational adults and see her lies but what about that girl who doesn’t know the whole story only sees this pretty girl in an interview telling her to document. If she must attach herself to the dv cause not that the cause wants her but still at least ‘espouse’ some useful advice. Grrrrrrrr

    • 05/27/2013 at 1:28 pm

      exactly..and what is more aggravating about Jodi’s crap is she was living 100’s miles away… you get out of a situation like that.. you don’t drive to see your abuser especially when you can’t afford it.

      The whole thing is insulting beyond belief to all of us who have suffered real abuse.

      I actually can’t think of any of that side of things because it is too personal and I would go crazy with wanting to strangle her scrawny giraffe neck!! I HAVE to think clinically or I go out of my mind with outrage at her self righteous audacity.

    • ringadingding
      05/27/2013 at 1:43 pm

      Well said, Irie Girl. I’m glad you’re okay now, relatively speaking. While you were able to leave, something like that never really leaves you.

    • MMD
      05/27/2013 at 1:47 pm

      Irie Girl – I am so sorry to hear of your experience but I am glad that you are safe and alive to tell us your story. As so many of us have suffered through similar or other life altering traumas, Thank you for trust us with this.

      I think JA brings out the fury in so many of us because she has set back true victims of DV, PTSD and many other issues. numerous decades. As we all know, abusers come in all shapes and sizes as well as both genders so the effects of her “claims” will be felt for so many years.

      I totally agree with you about getting out. Run, don’t look back and forget about documenting and photos. Photos certainly didn’t help Nicole Brown Simpson who not only had 911 calls but photos to prove her case. While documentation can help in certain instances it is never worth your life. Nothing is EVER worth your life!

      The lives that will be lost and the abuse and injustices suffered because of Jodie Arias, ALV, this case and the ripple effect, is terrifying to even contemplate and she needs to cease breathing. NOW!!! I’m behind you darlin’ 1,000%!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/27/2013 at 1:56 pm

      Yet another sandboxer with a narrative involving surviving and how frustrating it must be to see someone like wobo use the actualities of domestic violence to ride on those coattails. for sympathy or understanding. You help yourself and others by sharing, and I’m sure many of us join you in being grateful you have removed yourself from harm.

    • Jill
      05/27/2013 at 5:24 pm

      Hi Irie, so glad u r ok!!!
      Just like you, I was so mad about her “advice” to dv victims! If she was a true victim, her “advice” would have been to get out of the relationship. NO dv victim would recommend staying with an abuser as long as you document. That to me, is evidence right there that she was NEVER abused by travis. She is a total joke.

  183. 05/27/2013 at 1:18 pm

    ringadingding :
    Syn, for your list of questions we’ve had for you in the past: If she’s so in control and organized why does her cell reflect such a disordered mind?

    I’m just trying to think of key questions/issues you addressed that woke me up to what makes her tick. One of the things that’s bothered me about her is the way she’s able to create confusion in me, and that makes me think of other people in my life who’ve done that as a way to deflect from whatever nonsense they were up to. I’m not saying they’re psychopathic, but there’s seems to be a similarity there in terms of how expert liars operate. It scares me, quite frankly, because even though I try really hard to “see” what’s going on, I tend to believe the best in people (or maybe it’s just denial) and don’t see it coming.

    Ringading.. Firstly thank you for the reminder of that question. It’s exactly what I’m looking for to add to my list. I wish I had started it at the beginning but wishing isn’t going to make it happen so have to work retrospectively and hope you lot can come up with the questions you have asked me.

    Secondly you raise aother excellent point.

    What you describe about the confusion is cognitive dissonance.

    Let’s put it into the context of the latest developments in the trial.

    The jury foreman can’t even get passed looking at Jodistein and accepting she really did that in cold blood for no other reason than Travis didn’t want her. He just can’t accept that apparently it’s too hard for him.

    The thought crosses his mind but dismisses it. He can’t bring himself to believe it he has to find another explanation that better suits him.

    For him that discomfort alone is too hard to deal with. He stops right there and says.. “ok Travis must have made her do it she is too innocent not to have had a good reason ” End of story as far as he is concerned.

    Deeper thought is too uncomfortable to process so he stops right here puts a wall up and says “No doubt in my mind and anyone who thinks differently doesn’t have the full picture like I do.” This is very typical of closed minded people. No discussion needed “if someone doesn’t agree with me they simply don’t know what I do because I know it all” [I will find the evidence that suits me and disregard the rest].

    For him the idea is too hard to open his mind to. He will latch onto anything to excuse what she did. He simply can’t bring himself to accept what she is because it is too far outside his historical perspective.

    If you like I will expand on this.. cognitive dissonance is a huge piece of the puzzle in this case – both to do with why Travis couldn’t tell her to ‘f@k off” and why others find it so difficult to truly accept what she is capable of. It’s a tool utilised on all of us by many con artists particularly destructively by those with extreme personality disorders.

    • ringadingding
      05/27/2013 at 1:30 pm

      Thank you so much for this, Syn. Yes, I would absolutely love it if you expanded on this (when you have time) because it’s something I know I deal with on a regular basis, though not to the extent of a Jodi.

      Your insight into the foreman is amazing; in fact, I believe he even commented that the jurors didn’t try to coerce each other (I read this as having a deeper discussion that challenges everyone to base their decision on facts), that if they had it would have made things very difficult. This bothered me on so many levels, not the least of which is that, according to him, the goal was to avoid making this difficult on the jury.

      What this means to me is that when we’re trapped in a state or condition of cognitive dissonance, we choose different ways to make ourselves comfortable and avoid the pain of confrontation, usually to the benefit of the dissembler.

      • ringadingding
        05/27/2013 at 1:40 pm

        I do think this goes a long way toward explaining what Travis was dealing with and why he couldn’t see her as others did (particularly the Hughes’). She really did a number on him…and that’s not even taking into account the brutal aspects of the murder.

      • 05/27/2013 at 1:44 pm

        precisely Ringading!!! The whole few sound byte excerpts that foreman gave were incredibly telling. I just want to hear the story of how he got elected as foreman. I have it in my head but I need someone to speak up on it so I can legitimately formulate an opinion piece.

        I’ll happily write more on cognitive dissonance and it’s relation to this case. I’ve written on it before but it is sooo important I really don’t think it can be overstated. It is the key to understanding so much about this case that would otherwise remain shrouded in mystery.

      • MMD
        05/27/2013 at 1:52 pm

        Syn, I betcha anything he volunteered to be foreman!!!

      • ringadingding
        05/27/2013 at 1:54 pm

        Syn, do you think he was selected as foreman because he spoke softly and reassuringly, which would be tempting for a jury already dealing with tremendous emotional conflict and bottled up discomfort? Just guessing…but I’ve seen groups that have to deal with difficult issues get lulled into following the most comfortable leader, even when the leader has a hidden agenda that’s not in their best interests.

      • ringadingding
        05/27/2013 at 1:56 pm

        I will add…spoke softly and reassuringly, not unlike the way Jodi operates. So sure in their tiny truths, despite the global facts.

  184. 05/27/2013 at 1:23 pm

    BG58 Heygirl I think what you were alluding to in your post to me was when HJ asked me about the Brewer interview.. I gave only a partial answer.. not one that covered the insights into the dynamic of the relationship itself.. I said I would save it for another time. Then HJ and I had a ‘nutshell’ discussion on it so I didn’t follow up.

    Let me know if you want that and I will post accordingly.

  185. MMD
    05/27/2013 at 1:53 pm

    Hiya Syn darlin’ ******waving excitedly********* How’s Melbourne? Are you having any fun or mostly working?

  186. MMD
    05/27/2013 at 1:57 pm

    Happy Memorial Day to all of you south of the border and a special thanks to those who have served or have loved that are currently serving.

  187. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/27/2013 at 2:01 pm

    Hello MMD, Syn and ringading if you still be lurking.

    • MMD
      05/27/2013 at 2:14 pm

      Hi darlin’ 😀 Has your wife arrived from the land of tulips and windmills yet?

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/27/2013 at 2:20 pm

        She’s taking care of the fort in Holland while I tend to some things here. We spend 24/7 with each other when together so its a break of sorts from our ‘intense’ style of living. When we get together again, the old ‘absence makes the heart” goes into action.

      • MMD
        05/27/2013 at 2:25 pm

        How nice AND romantic 🙂 I mean’t to ask you a couple of days ago because you no longer seem to be “off kilter”. Maybe it was just the jet lag and schedule change that did it!!!

  188. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/27/2013 at 2:08 pm

    I’m hoping that we can – in the coming weeks – explore some of the ways the death penalty is used and abused and misunderstood in the system. Something so creepy about the photo of jurors raising their hands “showing us” that “they” wanted death and implying that “others”: didnt. It makes the process seem a bit blood thirsty. Even the second jury has that feel. At first I found it funny–man those Arizonians dont kid around about death-but now I wonder whether or not it is just not right. The original group had a chore to do; they did it and then when it came to a final decision, they punted. I still think that the felony-murder charge fucked things up. They should have been faced with DP or LWOP for a first degree with aggravating circumstance charge. They may have had an easier time reaching unanimity if they were the options. When the life with parole became a possibility, no one would budge from their position. Just doesnt seem like a workable system to use.

    • Lisa M
      05/27/2013 at 2:59 pm

      That’s what I was thinking too Robert about the felony murder (Life/LWOP) aspect of The verdict guidelines. Maybe if they had the choice of LWOP the jury would have compromised and chosen it but weren’t willing to make that compromise and leave the sentencing for Life up to the judge (?) Still, that decision would not have been satisfactory to the family or the prosecutor. For me, yes, and maybe for you too (?)

      • Lisa M
        05/27/2013 at 3:03 pm

        I meant that the family and the prosecutor still would have been disappointed with LWOP if the jury had been allowed to reach the verdict. As far as the bloodthirsty aspect of it all, that bothered me during the Casey Anthony trial ( the “Off with her head!” attitude of the crowd outside the courthouse ) but not so much during this trial. 😊

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/27/2013 at 3:31 pm

        I would have accepted that verdict of LWOP. It strikes me as what they should have done-death or not. They could have moved the 8 to the views of the 4 IF it was REALLY UNDERSTOOD, But I dont think it was. I think that other charge screwed it up. I still wonder whether the other charge was necessary. I mean maybe the attempt to close off all exits, came back to bite them in the ass.

      • HJ Madison
        05/27/2013 at 4:02 pm

        Lisa and Robert … you guys snuck in while I was writing my reply below. I did want to add that if LWOP were applied uniformly across the States with conditions nearly identical to Death Row, but without death looming, I think a lot of people would be “satisfied”. I know I would.

    • HJ Madison
      05/27/2013 at 3:56 pm

      Robert: I AGREE! I agree with the peculiarity of the variety of sentence options because it really seemed to take the jury’s focus off whether her crime warranted death and left them more worried about her manipulating her way to freedom someday.

      I am not troubled by the jurors who admitted they voted for death by raising their hands. After all, this was a “death qualified” jury (supposedly) and they knew they would be charged with this task if they found her guilty of 1st degree murder. Voting to watch the execution on pay-per-view ….. now that would horrify me!

      The DP is a difficult topic. Aside from a chance that an innocent could be executed, there is also the issue of non-uniformity throughout the country. Why Jodi deserves death in AZ but not in 30% of other states is baffling.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/27/2013 at 8:47 pm

        Maybe I read too much into what appeared to be a statement about not-talking about the breakdown of the vote. If NO ONE had spoken of how they voted, those who didnt want to be identified, would have been protected. I thought that was what they wanted to do. When the first 4 tell you, its a matter of elimination through press reports to deduce who voted what way. I dont tjiink they followed through on the ramifications of their thinking in this matter -or in the far greater matter at hand. I dont think they acted in a way we respected and expected them to act.
        There is a propaganda-ish quality for a news show to runaf picture of 3 people waving their support for “death.” If they had all agreed to be photographed for a book on the trial, maybe it would be different. Maybe I read more into it than I should.
        But this group – and this foreman – couldn’t agree on anything. They couldn’t keep their intention about privacy, and they didn’t work hard enough nor
        were they informed enough, to find a consensus. Foreman’s comments reflected that.

  189. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/27/2013 at 2:15 pm

    I carry over some traditions that no one else does I think. For instance I have my own private ‘George Washington birthday” on Feb 22–the heck with 3 day weekends! Same with Memorial Day. It was “always” May 30, so it’ll stay that way for me! Last year my wife and I went to the American cemetery in Maastricht, Netherlands. Over 8000 buried there. I insisted that we go “on Memorial Day” so when we did get there on May 30, we noticed all the seating and flowers and arrangements that had been out for the “celebration” a few days earlier to coincide with the 3 day weekend! I fear that someday July 4 and Dec 25 will find the same 3 day weekend mentality and be absorbed into that thinking.
    Anyway, Cheers for our Veterans! Those who paid the ‘ultimate price’ even if it is a few days before the ‘real” Memorial Day.

    • Lisa M
      05/27/2013 at 3:06 pm

      I like your thinking. I’m not quite ready for Memorial Day (in that it symbolizes the beginning of summer) so I think I’ll celebrate it on May 30. But I’ll also raise a glass to our veterans.

  190. 05/27/2013 at 2:23 pm

    ringadingding :
    I will add…spoke softly and reassuringly, not unlike the way Jodi operates. So sure in their tiny truths, despite the global facts.

    My mind runs to scenarios such as this.. yes…. but I really need at least one or two sentences from those who participated to gain founded insight.

    Which believe me is sooo annoying because I have it in my head but the ‘scientist’ side of me forbids unfounded opinions. I build a jigsaw and I need those few missing pieces to connect it solidly.

    At the moment they are all in a file marked.. “pending”.


    MMD Yep!!!! I am quite sure he manoevred his way into the position.
    Today was working very interesting and challenging! Have to go in again today at 2pm. Wednesday is free day back in Thursday for seminar. NO.. lala violette is NOT the keynote
    speaker 😛


    Hiya Robert.. lurking but not for long gotta get sleep! Shouldnt even be here now.. keep thinking I’ll post something and run.. but it I’ve found out it doesn’t work!!!

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/27/2013 at 2:26 pm

      Waves!!!!! good luck with activities!!!! miss you!

    • MMD
      05/27/2013 at 2:27 pm

      ya sure ALV is know the breakout speaker 😆

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/27/2013 at 2:32 pm

        I no longer can see phrases like “keynote speaker” and NOT think of LaT. Whenever i hear “break-out” before any other word, I also start to giggle.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/27/2013 at 2:34 pm

        Just thinking about her on the stand makes me swoon in mirth. Her effort to distinguish between the keynote and the breakout keynote was so desperate and so feeble it was a high wire version of the what dpforjod said: dog ate homework.

    • ringadingding
      05/27/2013 at 5:56 pm

      Got it! 🙂

  191. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/27/2013 at 2:25 pm

    I read a fair amount on the intelligence services and came across two quotes recently that have some bearing here.. One is the oft repeated mantra of that world:” How much truth is the enemy willing to tell you in order to set you up for the big deception.” (Wobo in the interrogation with Flores).
    Also from the Russian paper, Izvestia from 1959: “There are crimes after which it is impossible to live. A bullet at the end of a contemptible life is not only a punishment but also an act of mercy.”

  192. MMD
    05/27/2013 at 2:41 pm

    Robert, Robert, Robert 🙄 The dog DID eat dp’s paper. She had worked hard preparing a presentation to you about Canuck culture!!!! She’ll be most upset that you didn’t believe her!!! 😦

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/27/2013 at 2:44 pm

      nn no no I beleived her! I said I accepted the answer since afterall, the paper couldn’t have been too long, right?

      • dpforjodi
        05/27/2013 at 4:54 pm

        Robert, yo momma.

  193. MMD
    05/27/2013 at 2:43 pm

    Russian paper, Izvestia from 1959: “There are crimes after which it is impossible to live. A bullet at the end of a contemptible life is not only a punishment but also an act of mercy.”

    Robert, I love that quote and I think it is very fitting for this situation!!!

  194. LadyinRed
    05/27/2013 at 2:44 pm

    Ok deep breath here. 10+ years ago I was in a relationship with someone I met thru chance, and it was instant attraction. Trying to Cliff Notes here because it is painful to relive and type, but after a distance relationship over 18 months or so, I knew it wouldn’t work, esp b/c I have a disabled daughter (Aspergers recently diagnosed, but mental retardation before), but he was unable to cope with the meltdowns. When I ended it (yes I was the dumper not the dumpee) because he lost in the battle of my children vs him, he went zoing and started sending emails, cards, letters, etc. professing love and marriage proposals to my disabled daughter, not me. The trauma of detectives and police, hours in court and two orders of protection (adjudicated a stalker in #2) left me bereft of ever trusting a man again, and still does to some extent. While there was never domestic violence or physical abuse, the emotional abuse was off the chart (bet even ALV would defend him as my fault). I’m so very thankful two things that have happened in my life in the last year. Serving as a juror last year and convicting a man for felony murder of his estranged wife beyond any reasonable doubt, and also for this sandbox to help me realize in my middle age that the male is not always the one at fault. So thankful for CFJ.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/27/2013 at 2:51 pm

      Bless you, first. Then, a question on your jury duty: did you feel any sense of a bond amongst yourselves? Did you keep some of your discussions private? What was the process like for you?

      • LadyinRed
        05/27/2013 at 3:41 pm

        RIR, we did very much form a kinship during the 4.5 day trial. Jury seated at about noon on Monday (LIR was in shock to be seated as I’ve worked for attorneys over 30 yrs, but not criminal law), Our lunches were brought in, and we were under constant escort by court staff, even for smoke breaks. Happy to answer any other questions. BTW, our foreman was a male, and he was fantastic at guiding each one of us thru the charges and we never fudged (ie going forward to next count before a unanimous vote on the current one). It was a fascinating process I’m proud to have been a part of.

      • LadyinRed
        05/27/2013 at 3:43 pm

        RIR, neglected to finish the sentence; we began delibs that Friday around 1pm and delivered our verdict at 8pm.

      • LadyinRed
        05/27/2013 at 3:54 pm

        RIR, because of the fantastic court staff who were charged with our out-of-court time, they regaled us with hilarious stories of their memories while serving as officers in squad cars from years past. There were restrooms inside the jury room which was locked when we were not inside it. Our notebooks were locked overnight, as well as our juror badges. We had court security escort for the 1.5 block walk to our parking garage each evening (we laughed when they stopped traffic for the group to cross)! Some members decided to bring in goodies for breakfast, but we always complained that the coffee pot in the jury room was old and too slow, and there’s a long story I could tell you about regulating airflow/temperature!!

      • LadyinRed
        05/27/2013 at 4:01 pm

        Here is one link to the trial on which I served. Very frustrated as one of our local reporters was tweeting from the courtroom, but I was forbidden to have any interaction with her (Jamie Satterfield; she covered the Christian/Newsome trials). http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2012/nov/07/neighbors-describe-struggle-before-womans/

      • donchais
        05/27/2013 at 4:49 pm

        OMG! I have had several interactions with Jamie over the years of the Christian/Newsom trials. She is one of the most honest reporters I’ve seen. I respect her integrity and am amazed at her straightforward reporting! She just nails it! Sorry you couldn’t hook-up!

      • MMD
        05/27/2013 at 4:13 pm

        OK got it all LIR and Syn can either come back and read it or I can repost it for you. 🙂 Plus I have the comments from Robert as well.

    • MMD
      05/27/2013 at 3:03 pm

      LadyinRed I am so sorry for what you had to endure. I have found that emotional abuse is the absolutely the worst because physical abuse, if you’re lucky, will heal. It is so much harder to recover from emotional. Thank you for sharing your story and trusting us.

      Any man with a clue would know that your children would come first but to be dumped and to take it to the extremes that this person did, sounds truly bizarre and I am glad that you were able to have a legal remedy. I hope that you and your children are able to find peace now.

      I’m also glad the jury duty helped you heal and that you realized that abuse is not gender specific. It can happen and does happen to anyone.

      You are among a great group of people here who have gone through so much, some their traumas many years ago and others more recent. We are always here to listen, provide support and send you a {{{{{{{{{{{{group hug}}}}}}}}}}.

      Donchais University is truly a wonderful, educational and supportive place and we are lucky to be able to play in its sandbox. 🙂

      • LadyinRed
        05/27/2013 at 3:42 pm

        MMD, thanks so much for your very kind words. It’s not easy to speak of those years, but thanks very much for the opportunity to share among those who understand.

      • LadyinRed
        05/27/2013 at 3:46 pm

        MMD, one other detail that our wonderful Syntara might find intriguiging; crazyman had a son approximately the same age as my daughter at the time.

      • MMD
        05/27/2013 at 3:56 pm

        Now that is truly bizarre and shocking!!! 😯 I wonder what our Dr. Syn will have to say about that?????? Since she is hit or miss this week being away, you should copy and paste this convo so that you can repost it for her. I’m sure she’ll have something truly interesting to say about THAT tidbit!!!!

      • LadyinRed
        05/27/2013 at 4:02 pm

        MMD, how do I copy/paste for Syn?

      • MMD
        05/27/2013 at 4:07 pm

        SInce I’m not that computer savvy, I’ll copy and paste it and email it to myself. You keep track of the day and the comment numbers so that she can refer back. How’s that sound – OK.

      • LadyinRed
        05/27/2013 at 4:11 pm

        Thanks so very much, MMD. Hope RIR can also see my answers to his questions?

      • MMD
        05/27/2013 at 4:15 pm

        Sorry, I posted in the wrong place – duh!!!! OK got it all LIR and Syn can either come back and read it or I can repost it for you. Plus I have the comments from Robert as well.

      • HJ Madison
        05/27/2013 at 4:24 pm

        Hello you two MMD and LIR, if you are still about. I just posted to you LIR, downstairs.

    • Jill
      05/27/2013 at 5:40 pm

      Hi LIR, glad u r ok! Ty for sharing. What a sicko that jerk was. Can’t believe he started that psycho stuff with your daughter. You’re a great mom to put your children before a man! Stay strong!

  195. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/27/2013 at 2:47 pm

    Also, FYI, right after our discussions of Canadian culture, I came across a screen shot from a documentary on Glenn Gould. When he played in Moscow in 1958 the Russian paper headline was: “Gould Puts Canada On Cultural Map in Eyes of Russians”

    • MMD
      05/27/2013 at 3:06 pm

      Wow, that is quite a while ago and how bizarre that you should see that just after our discussion on here. Are you kind of feeling like someone is trying to hammer something into your brain???? I know I would 😉

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/27/2013 at 3:13 pm

        I think when the internal antenna is up, one is likely able to grab things that might have floated by on other days. Least thats my take on it. When I feel very connected to a project or thought, everything seems to relate to it in some way. Think thats what they call “being in the groove”

      • Beans
        05/27/2013 at 3:21 pm

        hello MMD, sorry for not responding Sat. but my hard drive trashed itself and i lost everything(including approx. 20,000 songs. i’m sobbing here,) my son installed a new one and we had to start from scratch. just getting things up and running again and now my wi-fi provider seems to be having a bad day so not sure i’ll be around for long.

    • Beans
      05/27/2013 at 3:10 pm

      i listen to jazz, blues, Motown old rock, current alt. but THE desert island recording for me is the 1981 ‘Goldberg Variations’

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/27/2013 at 3:15 pm

        OK NEVER again shall we disagree about ANYthing! Same with me!!! The greatest! I often play the 1955 and the 1981 versions back to back, I have recordings of the Goldbergs on piano, harpsichord, synthesizer, organ and violin. OH the utter joy and intense spirituality of GG and Bach. I swoon.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/27/2013 at 3:17 pm

        btw Beans–about #290 I wrote to you about Cathy and Steinbeck.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/27/2013 at 3:25 pm

        OMG don’t start me! Talk about a “man crush” Was there ever a more beautiful soul than GG? His writings! His radio shows! His glorious recordings! His quirks!The clarity of his playing!
        The sensational use of Bach on the piano.His absorption with music itself. And he was way way way ahead of everyone else knowing that the studio and not the concert hall would be the future.At age 30 no less! Highly recommend the film “32 short films about GG”–they had the good sense not to have the actor Colm Feore play the piano; but boy did he do a good job of evoking him. OMG–don’t start me. Juan wasn’t the first is all I can say….

    • Kristy
      05/27/2013 at 3:42 pm

      The movie about Glenn Gould was awesome. Really well done movie.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/27/2013 at 3:52 pm

        side note: his recordings used in film “Slaughterhouse Five” and played by Hannibal Lechter in “Silence of the Lambs”

  196. MMD
    • nyccowgirl
      05/27/2013 at 7:38 pm

      cool. thx mmd – couldn’t find this before.

    • Douglme
      05/27/2013 at 10:41 pm

      Thx MMD, that was interesting!

  197. Beans
    05/27/2013 at 3:28 pm

    Saw it ReR and i agree. i first read EofE around 1969. i was 19 then. it took some life experience and re-reading to understand what he was saying. how do you suppose steinbeck came to that, was he that intuitive or did he have some experience of his own. i saw your response to GB58 too and had to laugh. i was thinking of some film examples and the first that came to mind was phyillis dietrichson. i would add matty walker from body heat and bridget gregory to the list.

    • Beans
      05/27/2013 at 3:31 pm

      uh, that should be 17

    • Beans
      05/27/2013 at 3:36 pm

      that should read bridget gregory from ‘the last seduction.’

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/27/2013 at 3:37 pm

      “how do you suppose steinbeck came to that, was he that intuitive or did he have some experience of his own.”

      The mystery of the artist. It amazes me that they have it in them but they do. It must involve some sort of recognition in the world that they transform for us. When younger, as I said, the “reality” and the “authenticity” eluded me since I had not been exposed to world as it was.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/27/2013 at 3:49 pm

      I know this is very OT, but. …the dialogue with Stanwyck and MacMurray in Double Indemnity is among my favorites in all filmdom. Like machine guns.

      • Beans
        05/27/2013 at 3:55 pm

        agreed. watch it every time TCM runs it. Another favourite for me dialogue wise is His Girl Friday. This film had to inspire Altman with its overlapping multiple conversations.

  198. MMD
    05/27/2013 at 3:28 pm

    sorry donchais, I’ll just go into the naughty corner ➡ ➡ ➡ 😦

  199. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/27/2013 at 4:07 pm

    Ok got to run now. Beans–love your tastes! Absolutely agree on HGF. Ever see the original “Front Page” ? Also crackling good. Tom Stoppard says that he cant decide which is the great American play–Long Day’s Journey or Front Page.(I’d add Death of a Salesman).Love that he put what can be a hilarious play along with a somber and tragic one. Justice 4 Travis!!

  200. HJ Madison
    05/27/2013 at 4:17 pm

    LadyinRed :
    Here is one link to the trial on which I served. Very frustrated as one of our local reporters was tweeting from the courtroom, but I was forbidden to have any interaction with her (Jamie Satterfield; she covered the Christian/Newsome trials).

    edited to stay out of moderation — maybe I will get a brownie point!

    LIR — Several things … first, thank you for posting about your personal ordeal — just unbelieveable what people can be capable of! Glad you are well and found the site.

    Regarding your jury duty: Above you mentioned you could not have interaction with the reporter — will you elaborate? Many thanks!

    • MMD
      05/27/2013 at 4:25 pm

      Hi HJ – gotta fly! Hope all is good, will check back later!! 🙂

    • LadyinRed
      05/27/2013 at 5:11 pm

      The Judge informed us from minute 1 that there was a local reporter tweeting from the courtroom, and the admonition prohibited us from interacting with her during the trial until released. She is a most excellent crime/court reporter. I have not tried to contact her since the trial other than random tweets from whatever story she is working on.

      After the verdict, we were quickly and securely escorted to our parking garage, and once home perhaps 40 mins later the inmate was sentenced to life; other charges to be sentenced later. I haven’t followed up to see what those results were.

    • LadyinRed
      05/27/2013 at 5:13 pm

      and thank you HJM for your kind words as well.

  201. HJ Madison
    05/27/2013 at 4:31 pm

    OT … for my fellow old movie buffs …. TCM is showing what many critics describe as one of the best films ever made at 5:00 eastern, 4:00 central today. “The Best Years of our Lives”. It is a WWII coming home story and terrific. An amazingly well done story and one that should not be missed. I dare you not to cry!

    • Beans
      05/27/2013 at 4:46 pm

      another fave HJ. already had the dvr set but since internet is still acting up i’m going to watch it – for like the 20th time.(and i still tear up) did you know the guy who plays Homer was originally from Nova Scotia and a vet.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      05/27/2013 at 5:43 pm

      We’re on it! Been watching our old movies all week-end!

      • donchais
        05/27/2013 at 5:48 pm

        Nice to escape a bit…we all need it! Go to soft spot and let yourself go!!!

  202. nyccowgirl
    05/27/2013 at 7:09 pm

    MMD :
    Syn, I betcha anything he volunteered to be foreman!!!

    MMD – I agree. I also think that rather than moderate to get to a unanimous conclusion, he had a conflict of interest of sorts and didn’t want any part of sentencing her, even to LWOP. his question to the judge was within the first 8 hours of deliberation as to what would happen if they didn’t agree unanimously. i posted something either earlier or on another thread about someone else’s theory on something similar. he also wanted media attention so being foreman may give the illusion of authority for him to speak as ‘we’ or ‘his jurors’. even his son noted that at some point his father wanted to be famous.

    • MMD
      05/27/2013 at 8:08 pm

      I agree that he had a conflict of interest and and that he wanted the attention because he IS part of the media. Has his own radio show. Apparently all the jurors had agreed not to say how others had voted or to speak until later. Every single juror was approached by booked for GMA and he’s the only one that talked. Kinda speaks volumes, don’t that think 😉

  203. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/27/2013 at 7:12 pm

    Robert exits Rotterdam :
    1) stays at Estrella till sentencing
    2) dont know; heard that but not confirmed
    3)The DA office said interviews controlled by Sherif;. Sheriff said no more interviews
    I don’t know the role of the Judge in this; I dont think it is a judge matter. Its an enforcement or policy matter. Maybe others will chim ein and expand or correct.

    05/27/2013 at 7:10 pm | #623

    Well who does the Sheriff report to??? Isn’t there a chain of command there? Seems strange that this man can call all the shots an no one has jurisdiction over him!

    • WhereIsSHE
      05/27/2013 at 7:58 pm

      The sheriff has controll over the jail.
      The judge who sits on the case being tried has no authority over jail and/or prison rules, regulations, and/or protocol.
      The trial judge only presides over the trial, meaning that they only have JURISDICTION over trial matters, such as the admissibility of evidence, the wording of jury instructions, the time constraints on the parties with respect to trial preparation, etc., period.

  204. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/27/2013 at 7:27 pm

    Just back to catch up! CiCis cant tell you though I called the Attorney General office who told me that about the Sheriff. LIR- Ive read all the posts, thank you!. Beans and HJM – when Frederic March comes to his apartment and “sshhh”s his daughter so he can surprise his wife (Myrna Loy), I lose it. Every time I see it. Every note just right.

    Earlier I spoke with MMD about interests intersecting, and catching odd, sandbox appropriate, images or words. Just recently was reading and, per some exchanges with HJM:

    “The Declaration of Independence featured three distinct paragraphs condemning the Empire’s violation of the right to and of local juries.. Every state that penned a constitution between 1775 and 1789 featured at least one express affirmation of jury trial, typically celebrating the jury with one or more of the following words: “ancient,” “sacred,” “inviolate,” “great,” and “inestimable.”

    –Akhil Reed Amar
    a biography of the US Constitution 2005

  205. ChiefonaShip
    05/27/2013 at 7:38 pm

    That, Everyone, I’ve missed you. I have gone though such up and downs since the non-verdict. I believe she deserves death. I am convinced she will manipulate staff and inmates if she ends up in Gen Pop (3 years after initial intake if she gets LW/WOP. One thing that comforts me, though, and Crystal reminded me of it. I have a childhood (girl) friend (platonic) doing LWOP because she was extradited from a non-DP country. I was shocked to hear she was charged (murder for hire), but believe 100% in her guilt. I write her and vv. Prison for a notorious person is not fun. She has been beaten, put in solitary, lost privileges, etc. I’m going up there next month for a graduation and will visit since it’s so close to my family. The reference to comfort, above, is: I think the more famous, the more vulnerable. I’m no softy, but I think isolation for JA sounds like HEAVEN to me. 2 cents.

    • Beans
      05/27/2013 at 8:07 pm

      Thank you for your service Chief, from a Canuck

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/27/2013 at 9:34 pm

      Chief–have you ever fluctuated with your thinking on the DP? Also do you think 25 years in solitary is “cruel and unusual”? We say we respect life -laws and rules on the dP varies as do some regulations on abortion – but we also sanction death in 35 states.– The other 15 states and the Federal Govt says the DP is “cruel” or barbaric. But they cut all connections to the prisoner that makes one human. I think there may be more cruelty with the solitary than the DP, The main factor holding me back was always ‘what if’ one was innocent. Sorta a checkmate issue.
      The military – by the Constitution – has its own protected form of justice.; the Bradley Manning case the latest to pop into headlines. Thats another discussion another place.. I mean in civie life.

  206. ChiefonaShip
    05/27/2013 at 7:40 pm

    Sorry for typos…keyboard snail’s pace.

  207. nyccowgirl
    05/27/2013 at 7:50 pm
    • MMD
      05/27/2013 at 8:04 pm

      That was posted after she got the boot but I’m glad that you reposted it. It will be interesting to see what the real reason was that she was dismissed. I kinda forgotten about her and will be looking for her interview. Thanks nyc 🙂

  208. Family of Law
    05/27/2013 at 8:57 pm

    Juror 17 Answers Questions

    Tara Kelley, one of the alternate jurors has been tweeting answers to peoples questions via twitter. Here is some of what she has to say:

    1. Do you believe she was abused in any way?     Definitely not!

    2. Did you believe her “fog” story?      Absolutely not!!! Was definitely not believable!

    3. Regarding the jury ‘betraying’ her:      It’s all about her!!!

    4. What did you think of LaViolette’s testimony?      Didn’t like her! I found her rude trying to spar with a prosecutor!

    5. Regarding Nurmi wanting off the case:      Definitely can’t blame him for not wanting ti represent her!!

    6. Regarding the juror who got kicked off for a comment she made- Tara confirmed the comment was about how if they can $300/hr for an expert you would think they’d get us more comfortable chairs. She also indicated that the jurors were not the ones who turned her in.

    7. How did you feel about the pedophilia accusation?      Disgusting and ridiculous! I asked her for proof in my questions to her! Of course she said she didn’t have any!

    8. Did anyone buy it (the pedophile comments)?     I don’t think anyone bought it!!! Too far out there!

    9. What did you think about her claim of ninja skateboarders?     Ridiculous! And then Juan kept referencing the hoard of skateboarders and it was sooo hard not to laugh out loud!!!

    10. How did you feel about the 2 minutes of silence?     Brilliant!!!

    11. How did they ask you about the media issue with Juan (Signing/ photos)?     They didn’t mention it was Juan! Just asked a general question!

    12. Do you feel Juan was too aggressive?      He definitely had moments but I think it was passion!!!

    13. Have you seen the killer laughing and doing headstands in the interrogation?      What made me most mad was when she said: ‘Gosh Jodi you could have at least done your makeup.’

    14. What did the jurors think about ‘child abuse’ claims?     She was probably spanked but weren’t we all?

    15. Do you think the trial dragged on too long?      Definitely!!!!

    16. (Nurmi) was basically calling you all liars and that you were going home at night reading, watching, etc.      I heard enough in court! No interest in goin home to hear more and we weren’t supposed to anyway!

    17. Was Bill Z. the foreman throughout the trial or just the guilt phases?      Foreman was chosen at the guilt phase.

    18. Travis’ anger all sounded normal relationship to us. You too?      Yes and I really hope to be able to explain what I think happened and what that May 26 text was about!!

    And it looks like we will get a chance to hear Tara’s theory as she is scheduled to talk with HLN’s Darren Kavinoky and Dr. Drew this coming Tuesday.


    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/27/2013 at 9:01 pm

      Thanks for posting.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/27/2013 at 9:08 pm

        wow #17-different foreman for guilt phase. THANK YOU LORD that he wasn’t in the chair for phase 1,
        #6 about juror’s comment: I ‘d have said such a thing, positive. Can’t believe that is considered reason to boot. Jeeeessus..
        #14, She probably wasn’t spanked enough, is my guess.

      • Family of Law
        05/27/2013 at 10:25 pm

        ReR- I agree, she is indeed a gal that calls it like she sees it!

        As for 17. Foreman Bill was chosen during the guilt phase (he was the foreman the entire trial), so thankfully, he didn’t turn Into a schumtz until the penalty phase! Knowing what I know about him now, it’s amazing he voted guilty, twice.

    • Family of Law
      05/27/2013 at 9:02 pm

      Juror 17 Part Two!
      Leave a reply
      Kara is still tweeting:

      1. Did it creep you out the way Hodi stared at you whenever you would enter or leave the courtroom?     I never paid attention! I looked down when I walked in and down when I walked out.

      2. What about how she looked at the jury when answering each question?     I understood it was probably their strategy! Didn’t phase me I was at the other end anyway!

      3. What do you think of her tweets? If you had known all that you know now, would your opinion be he same?     Yes, because I’m not surprised!!

      4. Have you seen all the interrogation videos?     Not all but quite a few.

      5. Have you seen the media ‘blitz’ Jodi did before the sentencing? If so your thoughts?     Ridiculous but that’s Jodi wanting the spotlight!!

      6. How hard was it for you to sit through it all and not vote? Were you able to take part in discussions or did you just have to sit and listen?     I was devastated! Cried as soon as we got out of the courtroom! The alternates were taken to a different area.

      7. Did the 4 jurors acknowledge the Alexander family, like the ones that were crying and mouthed ‘I’m sorry?’     I don’t know! I was balling and looking down! I was too sad to look at them!

      8. Did it freak you out how close Jodi was to you during allocution?     We were closer in judges chambers.

      9. You were in chambers with her?     Yes, quite a few times!!!

      10. Did you know she had a shock band around her waist?     Nope, had no idea!!

      11. Is Dr.Horn as beautiful in person as he appears on TV?     Yes!!!!

      12. What did you think of the 7 dwarf testimony?     I have to admit I did laugh when LaViolette said she didn’t know how old the dwarfs were! Was funny!

      13. Were you shocked at the time-out comment?     I was irritated when she said this! But he was snarky with her too! Was a long 10 days or whatever it was!

      14. Did you think the Locks of Love/book club/recycling was odd?      I did because I didn’t think you could just start your own program in prison!

      15. Was it frustrating aitiing through Alyce & Samuels testimony knowing they were making $300 an hour spewing #blah?     It was frustrating period!!

      16. Have you seen the video yet of TA telling the story of being robbed w/gun to his head that was identical to Jodi’s ninja story?     Yes!! We saw the video w/o sound and the story was so important!!

      17. Did you think the gun used was her Grandfather’s?      Absolutely!

      18. Did you ever notice Jodi peeping up through her hair to see the crime scene photos?     No I didn’t! I was too upset myself seeing those pictures!

      19. What do you think came 1st- gun shot or knife wounds?     Idk that it truly matters…he suffered so much pain either way! But I think the stab definitely did!

      20. How did you feel about Jodi when she was drawing and not paying attention in court?     Beyond irritating!!

      21. Did you see the parent’s interrogation video where Mom said Jodi was growing pot on the roof?     Yeah I think those tapes would have helped.

      Tara has stopped Tweeting for the moment. She’s heading to LA with Juror 6- Diane.




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      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/27/2013 at 9:12 pm

        wow, a real straight shooter. So refreshing. thanks again.

      • ringadingding
        05/27/2013 at 9:17 pm

        Thanks, FOL. I really like the way she answers so clearly (the !!!’s not so much, but that seems to be all the rage these days).

      • nyccowgirl
        05/27/2013 at 10:24 pm

        FOL – her twitter account is now deactivated. i just signed up so i can follow and ask her questions but her profile is gone. others are now starting to notice too from the #jodiarias feed.

      • Family of Law
        05/27/2013 at 10:28 pm

        NYC, nooooooo! I wonder why???? I found it on “mixed blog”. I wonder if there were complaints from the crazed JA is innocent freaks?

      • MMD
        05/28/2013 at 7:35 am

        I love this juror. She saw it the way we did and I love the way she answered the questions very directly.

  209. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/27/2013 at 9:00 pm

    hey MMD! My 2 man crushes are a Canadian and your man. Does that say that we are similar?

    • MMD
      05/28/2013 at 6:31 am

      All I can say is that I knew I liked you for a reason darlin’ 😀 Obviously you have excellent taste!!!!

  210. 05/27/2013 at 11:02 pm

    Just saw this – don’t cheat.. NO GOOGLING!!! how long does it take you to work it out?

    Only 39% of people will understand this: 2 + 2 = Fish. 3 + 3 = Eight. 7 + 7 = Triangle.

    • ringadingding
      05/27/2013 at 11:22 pm

      I got it! The 2+2 threw me, but I can see it now.

    • nyccowgirl
      05/27/2013 at 11:43 pm

      side & mirror

      • 05/27/2013 at 11:56 pm


      • nyccowgirl
        05/27/2013 at 11:59 pm

        wrong huh? meant to put question mark on that earlier.

    • ringadingding
      05/28/2013 at 12:10 am

      You know…3+3 could also = Snowman.

      • nyccowgirl
        05/28/2013 at 12:46 am

        headless snowman?

      • 05/28/2013 at 2:07 am

        true.. and theres a bunch more I can think of.

    • Lisa M
      05/28/2013 at 12:36 am

      Have no clue. I guess I’m joining Robert in the moron category.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/28/2013 at 12:43 am

        notice no one responds!!!!!!!!!!!! they want to make us swing slowly in the wind of ignorance. Damn them all I say!

    • Lisa M
      05/28/2013 at 12:43 am

      Alright, I figured it out, with help from nyccowgirl. The first one was tricky. But there’s no answer, it’s just perception of the pattern.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/28/2013 at 12:44 am

        shit. here we go. SAT all over again.

      • 05/28/2013 at 2:19 am

        Sorry Lisa-M You’re disqualified 😛

    • Douglme
      05/28/2013 at 1:18 am

      GOT IT!

    • nyccowgirl
      05/28/2013 at 6:55 am

      i see it as flipping one number (mirror image) and combining to get the picture. in the case of fish, you would see it if turned sideways unless the fish is swimming up, or with the 7s being inverted triangles. others could be 4+4=arrow, 6+6=glasses or 8+8=butterfly.

  211. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/28/2013 at 12:01 am

    Jesus. I come here to catch a thought or news and what do I get?A fuckin IQ test! Not only that, I dont get it the answer. Shit, Great picker upper Syn!.

  212. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/28/2013 at 12:02 am

    Ok so what? So Im in the 61% of morons? Great. Just what I need.

    • 05/28/2013 at 2:04 am

      LMAO.. hint!!! Hint: the only one who has truly failed so far is NYCG – Nobody has been 100% correct yet.

  213. Lisa M
    05/28/2013 at 12:29 am

    Robert exits Rotterdam :
    Maybe I read too much into what appeared to be a statement about not-talking about the breakdown of the vote. If NO ONE had spoken of how they voted, those who didnt want to be identified, would have been protected. I thought that was what they wanted to do. When the first 4 tell you, its a matter of elimination through press reports to deduce who voted what way. I dont tjiink they followed through on the ramifications of their thinking in this matter -or in the far greater matter at hand. I dont think they acted in a way we respected and expected them to act.
    There is a propaganda-ish quality for a news show to runaf picture of 3 people waving their support for “death.” If they had all agreed to be photographed for a book on the trial, maybe it would be different. Maybe I read more into it than I should.
    But this group – and this foreman – couldn’t agree on anything. They couldn’t keep their intention about privacy, and they didn’t work hard enough nor
    were they informed enough, to find a consensus. Foreman’s comments reflected that.

    I agree, Robert, that they shouldn’t have had a show of hands to indicate what they voted for. They were eager to show everyone that they didn’t go against public opinion. It’s like “Don’t blame me! I voted for death!” But what about the other jurors who may want privacy?

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/28/2013 at 12:40 am

      ‘zactly. Also just a sense of a fast break of any “bond.”I think “re-trials” for the penalty phase is a concept I dont think I’m all that big own. Has a doublejeaopardy scent to it to me.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/28/2013 at 12:42 am

        big on. Not a fan of
        I dont think I know enough to say definitely but there is something inherently fishy to it. I think.

      • Lisa M
        05/28/2013 at 12:49 am

        I hadn’t really thought about it like that — a double jeopardy type of thing. For me, the biggest problem with it is that it will take forever!! Seating a new jury, defense delay tactics, Jodistein defense tactics. This thing won’t start until at least the fall and probably won’t end before the holidays if it’s anything like the original trial! At this point, if it’s an option, I say the prosecutor should just give it to the judge to decide on LWOP or Life. Someone said that was a possibility, but I’m not 100% sure on that. I just feel like we’ve all seen enough of JA to last a lifetime at this point. Lock her up already! And throw away the key!

  214. nyccowgirl
    • nyccowgirl
      05/28/2013 at 12:54 am

      sorry don’t know how to make the picture actually show up on the thread itself but it’s funny.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/28/2013 at 1:04 am

      psst! make-up! Dont let her see a mirror.

  215. Lisa M
    05/28/2013 at 12:52 am

    Well, I’m out– good night and good luck with Syn’s test, Robert! Don’t let it drive you around the bend!

  216. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/28/2013 at 12:58 am

    Lisa- doesnt it strike you as inherently unfair to have a diffeernt group “punish” a defendant. I mean there is an element of Inquisition about it. If a “hung” jury on punishment there should be a back up plan: this or that;Judge decide ,or fixed term.. SOMETHING. Instead a whole new group? with witnesses? It can go both ways you know. A govt that does that to the criminal can do it to the defendant in a civil matter.I’m sure it means well and sur ethey studies it, but it seems, to me anyway, to be too susceptible to corruption and too violent an assault against one’s right to “a” jury trial.

    • Douglme
      05/28/2013 at 1:28 am

      I think the Judge should have made them stay in deliberation as long as it took to come to a unanimous decision. They found her guilty so it shouldn’t be someone else’s responsibility to decide the penalty.

  217. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/28/2013 at 1:08 am

    Family of Law :
    ReR- I agree, she is indeed a gal that calls it like she sees it!
    As for 17. Foreman Bill was chosen during the guilt phase (he was the foreman the entire trial), so thankfully, he didn’t turn Into a schumtz until the penalty phase! Knowing what
    I know about him now, it’s amazing he voted guilty, twice.

    Was this confirmed in interview? The way she said it I thought they chose for each phase a foreman. They always picked him? Or they picked him once ,and that was it? Strange to think they pick him in 3 different votes. Phew! What were they all thinking? This guy wants it, lets give it to him?

    • Family of Law
      05/28/2013 at 2:15 am

      17. Was Bill Z. the foreman throughout the trial or just the guilt phases?      Foreman was chosen at the guilt phase.

      If Bill was chosen the foreman at the “guilt phase”, that proceeded the “aggrevation” and “penalty”- so, my assumption is he was the foreman throughout. But I have not seen that confirmed other than what was stated by juror #17.

  218. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/28/2013 at 1:20 am

    This federal prisos hold people in solitary 23/7. For life.. from today’s NY News:.

    ‘Adis Medunjanin, terrorist foiled in 2009 bomb plot on New York subway, to serve life sentence in notorious Colo. prison: ‘Cleaner version of hell’

    “…. noted terrorists at the Florence supermax facility include Olympics bomber Eric Rudolph, Faisal Shahzad, Unabomber Ted Kaczynski, 1993 World Trade Center attacker Ramzi Yousef and Zacarias Moussaoui.”

  219. SeniorMoments
    05/28/2013 at 1:27 am

    I may be wrong but I believe that when the judge sent the jury to deliberate for the second phase, she indicated that whover was their foreman would continue to be foreman. On another comment, I am coming to the same conclusion as Lisa M above. The judge knows this case better than another jury ever will. What says that, even tho’ the new jury swears to be able to impose the death penalty, that after they are brought up to speed on the testimony, they might be like this jury and not be able to do it. If so, the judge gets it any way unless they vote for death. So, with retrial, one chance for death, 2 chances for life with parole, 2 chances for life w/o parole. What are the odds?

    • nyccowgirl
      05/28/2013 at 1:52 am

      i think i understand how you did the math, but that’s assuming all things being equal, which isn’t the case when you bring in the fact that the attorneys can learn from prior mistakes. in the DT’s case though, they were always grasping at straws so not much that they can do differently other than not putting some of their witnesses including wobo on the stand. in arizona, 5 cases had mistrial in penalty phase: 1 resulted in a deal, and of the 4 that were retried, only 1 resulted in another hung jury, which required the judge to sentence to lwop (by law at that time). the rest resulted in dp, so the odds are actually better for dp. [knock on big wood!]

      • SeniorMoments
        05/28/2013 at 2:05 am

        I’m knocking! Thanks for the info!

      • MMD
        05/28/2013 at 6:43 am

        I’m knocking hard as well nyc!!!!!!

      • nyccowgirl
        05/28/2013 at 7:14 am

        sorry, it may have been lwp. whichever it was, the judge had to apply the law at the time so there was no option between lwop and lwp. i don’t think the judge likes wobo at all and knows all her tricks, especially since it caused such delays. syn and others had noted her favoritism for DT, but i think she only had to protect from appeal as it was her first DP case so she went overboard with caution, and may have had a sweet spot for wilmot from other cases. i think if it went to judge, she would go lwop since DP wouldn’t be an option with only jury allowed to decide that under az law. i think her emotional outburst was due to having to keep it all together for so long to be perceived as impartial when she clearly had a view.

  220. 05/28/2013 at 2:24 am

    At the end of the tax year, the Australian Tax Office sent an inspector to audit the books of a local hospital. While the ATO agent was checking the books he turned to the CEO of the hospital and said, “I notice you buy a lot of bandages. What do you do with the end of the roll when there’s too little left to be of any use?”

    “Good question,” noted the CEO. “We save them up and send them back to the bandage company and every now and then they send us a free box of bandages.”

    “Oh,” replied the auditor, somewhat disappointed that his unusual question had a practical answer. But on he went, in his obnoxious way.

    “What about all these plaster purchases? What do you do with what’s left over after setting a cast on a patient?”

    “Ah, yes,” replied the CEO, realising that the inspector was trying to trap him with an unanswerable question. “We save it and send it back to the manufacturer, and every now and then they send us a free package of plaster.”

    “I see,” replied the auditor, thinking hard about how he could fluster the know-it-all CEO. “Well,” he went on, “What do you do with all the leftover foreskins from the circumcisions you perform?”

    “Here, too, we do not waste,” answered the CEO. “What we do is save all the little foreskins and send them to the AustralianTax Office office, and about once a year they send us a complete dick.

    • 05/28/2013 at 6:29 am


  221. 05/28/2013 at 3:12 am

    Hi gang! Hope everyone is doing well.
    I have a question…Is there a legal reason JM couldn’t bring up the day they found her car packed and ready to go with the 9mm and knives?
    #2- Can the jury foreman get into trouble or cause the DT or prosecution to claim mistrial because it’s a possibility he didn’t believe in some of the things that he agreed to as a juror? Or possibly breaking the admonition rules? Something doesn’t seem right with this guy. I love how he thinks Jodi is going to tell him of alllll people the truth lol.

  222. 05/28/2013 at 4:06 am

    Can someone tell me the story behind Jodi and the christmas tree? I only heard she was sleeping under the tree and another time that she hid behind it lol. What’s the deal with what happened?

    • Dewey
      05/28/2013 at 6:27 am

      Morning all. Someone here can correct me if I have this story wrong but I believe it was Travis’s friend Clancy who told it to Dr Drew. Travis was hosting an overnight PPL event at his home. Jodi was not invited but managed to maneuver her way in anyway. There was nowhere for her to sleep so she slept on the floor underneath his Christmas tree. Jodi said (I believe on the stand) that Travis slept on the couch above her and held her hand all night, which Clancy said was NOT true. Dont know the story about her hiding behind the tree.

      • MMD
        05/28/2013 at 6:41 am

        Morning Dewey – that’s the way I remember it. I don’t think she ever hid behind the tree, I think that kind of grew out of whole cloth 😉

  223. 05/28/2013 at 7:35 am

    Good Morning,,One and All…
    I am as usual far behind in reading the comments so I don’t know if anyone has seen this yet. The Foreman’s sonwites a blog and,,recently posted one about his Dad, and pride in him. For your reading pleasure….please enjoy. 😉

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