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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – Still Waiting

05/28/2013

While Arias is cooling her heels in Estrella jail, the State is deciding whether or not to pursue round two of the penalty phase on July 18.  Where do they find another jury after all the publicity that surrounds this case?

I’m still baffled how swiftly they jury reached Murder 1, but then split 8 to 4 on the penalty.  This was not a death qualified jury and there must have been some heavy fudging during voir dire!

Another thing that stumped me was listening to the jury foreperson say, we didn’t know that not reaching a unanimous decision would result in a mistrial, we thought the judge would decide if we couldn’t!

I mean seriously?

I was just gobsmacked!

My thoughts and prayers are with Travis and his family.

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  1. jlortiz3234@gmail.com
    05/28/2013 at 8:20 am

    Donchais, the last page & this one isn’t coming out properly. The isn’t anything to click on to take me to the page. No picture or anything. Did WordPress change their security settings? Janeto

    From my HTC Mobile

    • donchais
      05/28/2013 at 8:24 am

      Nothing has changed…not sure what you are/aren’t seeing.

      • janeto
        05/28/2013 at 9:26 am

        Wow! All of a sudden its back!! 😯 WTH?? Oh well! It’s good now!! (sigh if relief) I was totally in the dark, & out of sandbox! Was not a happy camper!

    • 05/28/2013 at 10:40 am

      It,wasn’t just you.. I kept getting the WHOOPS! Message when I tried torefresh or load a new page. It’s, obviously working now but went on for about an hour.
      I JA post a link to a blog by the Jury Formans son. He was explaining his pride for his dad and disapointment in public reactions and accusations that he’s a fame whore…I think it was the last post made on previous page so I’m reporting again. Sorry if repetitive.
      http://samirsdad.tumblr.com/post/51364319325/the-executioner-with-the-public-face

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/28/2013 at 12:07 pm

        The son reads like a bit of a media whore himself. He thrust himself into the debate on the premise that he’s “defending” his wonderful Dad, but he could have done that in private. Instead, he helps to fuel any debate by making it seem that his benevolent and life affirming Dad performed heroically, when in fact his Dad did not.

      • donchais
        05/28/2013 at 12:08 pm

        Ta Dah!!!!

  2. John
    05/28/2013 at 8:22 am

    I think the jury and in particular the foreperson did not want to make the call for death. Then I would not be able to make the vote as well. Hope the family’s are coping. Peace to all of them; even Jodi.

    • 05/28/2013 at 9:16 am

      Then John you would not have been on the jury. My understanding is these peeps all said they COULD make that call. That is what I understand “death penalty qualified” to mean.

      We don”t have it here in Aus so we do not have this qualification.

      • John
        05/28/2013 at 6:24 pm

        True Syntara

    • janeto
      05/28/2013 at 9:28 am

      No, I think the Forman was PLAYED!! He was biast!!!

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/28/2013 at 12:07 pm

        as was his son.

  3. SeniorMoments
    05/28/2013 at 8:39 am

    Someone said, not sure if I read it or heard it, that perhaps there was some negotiating among the jury along the lines of…..” I’ll give you my vote for Murder I, but in exchange, You don’t get my vote for death”. Have any of the jurors who have spoken given any such indications? Would they? Doubtful, I think.

  4. 05/28/2013 at 9:29 am

    Just saw this – don’t cheat.. NO GOOGLING!!! how long does it take you to work it out?

    Only 39% of people will understand this: 2 + 2 = Fish. 3 + 3 = Eight. 7 + 7 = Triangle.

    Results:

    Most seem to have worked it out.
    Lisa-M was disqualified for cheating (but gained respect for admitting it! 😀 )
    NYCCowGirl Epic Failed (twice) for disregarding instructions and question. 😛

    However…. interestingly…. nobody has answered correctly

    • ringadingding
      05/28/2013 at 9:39 am

      Hey, wait a minute. I got it, but didn’t want to post what it is so that others could see it. It’s a visual game.

      • ringadingding
        05/28/2013 at 9:43 am

        If you want us to describe what it means, I will do that. If you take each set of numbers and flip (or fold…I’m not good at describing spacial movement) the left number to the left it will create the two images, combined, create the image of the solution that follows the = sign. The easiest one to spot is the 7, which clearly forms a triangle when the seven to the left is flipped. Same with the 3’s. The two’s threw me because I wouldn’t call that a fish, but I can see how it could form a fish symbol.

      • ringadingding
        05/28/2013 at 9:44 am

        Arrrghh…I mean to write that it will combine the two numbers to create an image. I’m bad at writing directions.

      • MMD
        05/28/2013 at 9:44 am

        I see what it is and I just looked at it. It’s not about math, it’s about what shape the numbers form in a picture when placed on top of each other with one in the opposite direction. Am I correct? no, I would admit if I goggled but wouldn’t know what to google ??????

      • 05/28/2013 at 9:45 am

        Nooooo ringading.. you DONT give the answer!!! Now you go into fail!!! 😥

      • 05/28/2013 at 9:46 am

        MMD fail for same reason!!!!

    • ringadingding
      05/28/2013 at 9:48 am

      Oh..I get it. My answer: About three minutes.

      • ringadingding
        05/28/2013 at 9:52 am

        But if you count the time it took to understand the question…about nine hours. 😦

      • 05/28/2013 at 10:03 am

        there ya go! it’s a comprehension and reasoning test. To answer correctly you must:

        1. ONLY say how long it took you to work it out therefore you must work it out to obtain that part of the answer.

        2. ALSO follow the instructions… so you find the answer WITHOUT cheating (assistance of any kind)

        and certainly you don’t give the answer to anyone else or that helps them cheat and also voids you because you have not followed the instructions OR answered the question.

        So even if it took someone 2 days to answer and they did not cheat they would be 100% correct and in this case could have ‘won’ because nobody else had answered correctly.

        But because of NYCG’s “epic fail”. now yours and MMD’s 😛 Robert is declared the winner because he is given the benefit of the doubt.. he hasn’t answered and he is yet to provide an answer and he could still be trying to work it out. He may have answered correctly (although I doubt it I cannot rule it out and I’m sure he’d argue it! )

    • janeto
      05/28/2013 at 10:04 am

      Fail for me! I overthink these type! I don’t even touch those kind!! Off to the naughty corner no. ➡

    • nyccowgirl
      05/28/2013 at 10:35 am

      i understood your instructions. nowhere do you state not to provide the answer but only note for others not to cheat so providing the answer does not disqualify. unless someone stated it, there is a time stamp on these things. at the time, ringading and i were in and out of the thread so one could presume that we saw it real time. if anyone wanted to shorten their time, they could have noted it but the time stamp covers your question. however, when you told robert that i was the only one that got it wrong and the others weren’t really right or wrong, i thought you took it further than your initial question to mean that my answer was completely wrong; therefore the clock was still ticking for me, since i was the only one that hinted at an answer – note that i was a bit coded in my response. i understood why janeto was disqualified as she hinted at looking at my response. so based on that, ringading won at 20 minutes. it’s up to her to reduce her time by stating it directly but the timestamp is sufficient to answer your question. for me, it actually did take about 40 minutes because i was multitasking but still was thinking about the equation.

      • nyccowgirl
        05/28/2013 at 10:44 am

        otherwise, you should have noted that everyone had gotten it wrong at the time you responded to robert because nobody had responded with a direct time (if somehow you were disqualifying the timestamp) rather than just me. based on your response, then logic would have implied that my actual response to the equation means that i didn’t solve it at all and that others couldn’t be judged on right or wrong because they had just said they got it. in reality nobody had directly stated a timeframe, if somehow you’re disregarding the implied timeframe from the timestamp.

      • Lisa M
        05/28/2013 at 11:16 pm

        I still don’t know the answer. A picture of a fish, then the number eight, then a triangle? But what does it mean? Lol

    • 05/28/2013 at 11:08 am

      Syn…Its been a couple hours since I saw this on last thread. I have no answer. Other than the mirror image.
      Here’s an easier one:
      Test ur IQ : If
      38+20=1858
      5 + 3 = 28
      9 + 1 = 810
      8 + 6 = 214
      5 + 4 = 19 then,
      7 + 3 = ?

      • nyccowgirl
        05/28/2013 at 11:09 am

        410

      • 05/28/2013 at 11:11 am

        410

    • HJ Madison
      05/28/2013 at 11:23 am

      Wait! I saw it last night and immediately got the answer! I refused to even read others remarks (though the word snowman jumped out) and I chose not to post for fear of spoiling and waiting further instruction.

      • 05/28/2013 at 11:29 am

        lol HJ… ya should have answered “immediate” .. and thank you for not spoiling it.. but bummer you didn’t type in the time it took ya! Not to worry.. it was just a little fun thing cos when I first saw it I was like.. WTF then as soon as it hit me it was sooo obvious I thought I would post it in for others cos I know you are a bright bunch

        .. and hello by the way **waves** 😀

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/28/2013 at 12:19 pm

      I accepted the 61% moron category right away. My mind gets scrambled – like wobo–when little quizzes like that come at me. For her it is “angry man voices” for me? puzzles & quizzes.
      (I did like the phrasing out of the joke, though.)

      • 05/28/2013 at 12:28 pm

        put the joke in for you cos you said I didn’t post a “picker upper” 😛

    • Lisa M
      05/29/2013 at 12:20 am

      Lol. At least I’m an honest cheater!

  5. Charity
    05/28/2013 at 9:40 am

    I understand it. My favorite is the fish.

    • ringadingding
      05/28/2013 at 9:47 am

      Yeah, it’s the most interesting one. I like that it describes exactly what it is–no real mystery, although on the surface it looks puzzling. Over thinking is what can get someone into trouble.

    • 05/28/2013 at 9:47 am

      ya for me the key was the fish too and I got it in about 45 seconds

      • MMD
        05/28/2013 at 9:54 am

        ya probably won’t believe me but as soon as I looked at the numbers and then saw triangle. Practically instantaneous, if my answer is correct.

      • 05/28/2013 at 10:00 am

        WELL, I gave it a quick read, 3 seconds said Sh#t and googled 2+2 (for MMD). It was too late at nite for me to think. AND there it is I completely FAILED !!!!! I loved your joke better. That one is getting repeated to hubby. He loves jokes.

      • 05/28/2013 at 11:09 am

        Wise as braggart. SAid with love and affecting, but no affect. 🙂

      • 05/28/2013 at 11:27 am

        Typos. So sorry… Wise and braggart but said with love and affection. I hate typing on iPad.

  6. MMD
    05/28/2013 at 9:47 am

    Morning all. I’m watching the Martin/Zimmerman hearing and wish the JA trial had a judge like this. No way and I going to allow myself to get drawn into watching this trial. I’m already pissed that the defense is trashing the victim 😦

  7. MMD
    05/28/2013 at 9:51 am

    Syntara :
    MMD fail for same reason!!!!

    Well how do we fail? It is the only way to give you the answer. I hadn’t looked at it before and since no one had gotten the answer I thought you were looking for one. Ya need to be more specific 😉

    • ringadingding
      05/28/2013 at 9:53 am

      She was..see my reply above. And if that’s not it, I’m burning my graduate degree.

      • MMD
        05/28/2013 at 9:56 am

        Ok, I see where I went wrong ring. duh 🙄 She wanted the time frame and I just skimmed it. I guess I did fail 😦

      • ringadingding
        05/28/2013 at 9:58 am

        I don’t see it as failure so much as a scenic detour down the wrong road. 😉

      • MMD
        05/28/2013 at 9:59 am

        May I say, in my defense 😆 that I AM listening to another trial hearing, posting on here so basically doing a few things at the same time. Obviously I’m not doing any of them well 😯

      • MMD
        05/28/2013 at 10:00 am

        Thanks ring 😀 I appreciate your alternative grade!!!!!!!!!

  8. MMD
    05/28/2013 at 10:07 am

    There is a real cutie patootie on the prosecution side, I believe second chair (or he could be just arguing certain motions today) but no one compares to my JM 😀

    They were just talking about the Casey Anthony case and media getting at the hotel where the jurors were sequestered. Someone quite a while ago was quite adamant that they were not sequestered when I thought they were. Guess they were but maybe not the weekends? dunno about that part.

    • dpforjodi
      05/28/2013 at 12:21 pm

      hello MMD. I didn’t know Bruce Vilansh had a sister. I must have missed something upstairs how did the fish, snowman and triangle = 410.

      • Lisa M
        05/28/2013 at 11:19 pm

        I think that was another test. Lol

      • dpforjodi
        05/29/2013 at 7:14 am

        No no no I meant Judge Debra Nelson looks like Bruce Vilansh. Well at least they have the same hair stylist. MMD is NOT Bruce Vilansh’s sister. Sorry MMD

    • Kathy A.
      05/29/2013 at 3:43 pm

      MMD,
      The jurors in the Casey Anthony case were sequestered. Judge Perry was very cognizant of the fact that they were being separated from their lives and loved ones; he went out of his way to organize special dinners and outings for them on the weekends. And instead of moving the trial out of Orlando, he had the jurors picked from a different county in Florida and brought them to Orlando, where they were sequestered.

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 4:07 pm

        That’s the way I remembered it as well Kathy but someone was quite adamant that no way were they sequestered. I just remember he made sure to arrange special meals and entertainment for them. I didn’t bother to get into the discussion because I wasn’t certain. Now I know I was right.

        Thanks Kathy.

  9. 05/28/2013 at 10:14 am

    ringadingding :
    I don’t see it as failure so much as a scenic detour down the wrong road.

    Ringading!! 😯 you now EPIC EPIC fail for trying to pull a Jodi and make excuses!!!

    MMD did well she owned her fail initially.. then 🙄 followed you down the same path!

    • ringadingding
      05/28/2013 at 10:26 am

      Nope. No excuses. Everything I’ve achieved is through a lot of practice and (mostly) learning from error.

  10. 05/28/2013 at 10:16 am

    MMD… I didn’t think the zimmerman was going to be streamed.. or is it just on TV over there.. if you have a link could you post it please? That’s the wannabe neighborhood watch guy you killed that little boy isn’t it?

    • MMD
      05/28/2013 at 10:28 am

      In between commercials, HLN will be televising this case. They are getting practically orgasmic with their promotion of the future trial which doesn’t start until June 10th.

  11. MMD
    05/28/2013 at 10:21 am

    I dunno – you failed me 😦 Yes that is the correct case and here is the link

    http://wildabouttrial.com/videos/george-zimmerman-live-stream.html

  12. MMD
    05/28/2013 at 10:35 am

    They’re starting early with the prosecutorial misconduct in the State Attorney’s Office. I guess it must be a standard play with them because they tried it in a previous hearing as well.

  13. 05/28/2013 at 10:42 am

    After reading an interview with the Jury Foreman on Huffington Post, I am frankly a little surprised they gave her first degree murder. It sounds like they’re partially blaming Alexander for his own death. His quote:

    “You heard (prosecutor Juan) Martinez say she was only 27. … She’s old enough that she should have known better,” Zervakos said. “I didn’t look at it that way. I’m looking at 27 years of an absolutely normal everyday young woman that was living a life that was perfectly normal. Then something changed the trajectory of her life after meeting Travis Alexander, and it spiraled downhill from there.”

    Granted, we knew a lot more about her history than they heard, but shouldn’t it have told them something that absolutely NO ONE stood up for her as a character witness? It also seems like the jurors chickened out when push came to shove when it came to the DP. They said they could do it, but in reality they couldn’t. Why did they decide that the crime met DP criteria if they in fact didn’t think it met it? At this point, the state should probably just go for LWOP, lock her up in Perrysville forever and be done with it. She will find out soon enough that the Maricopa County Jail is like summer camp compared to prison. That way, she will be out of the spotlight and people will forget her name which, for her, will be more than enough punishment. If this jury didn’t give her the DP, a second one certainly won’t. It’s time to save the taxpayers money, put her away and forget her.

    • Lisa M
      05/28/2013 at 1:52 pm

      I share your opinion catbyte but I think the family and the state see it differently, assuming they’re pressing on for a new penalty trial. Guess we’ll find out for sure on June 20th.

    • ringadingding
      05/28/2013 at 8:04 pm

      Wow. That’s right out of Wilmott’s closing in the penalty phase. What a toadie.

  14. MMD
    05/28/2013 at 10:43 am

    This judge is great. She just tore the defense attorney O’Mara a new one. No crap from this lady!!!!

    • Beans
      05/28/2013 at 10:57 am

      Hello everyone. She is good, but I’m not sure I can follow this trial. I see another case of the victim being slimed by the defence with things that have nothing to do with the crime – a kid walking down the street minding his own business and now he’s dead.

      • nyccowgirl
        05/28/2013 at 11:08 am

        my issue with this case is how the media portrayed the victim. they intentionally showed his picture of when he was younger to inflame racial emotions more so than what it may have been normally. they also edited the 911 tape to give the perception that the defendant didn’t at least at one point agree to follow the dispatcher’s instructions. if i was a juror, i can see how showing the victim’s criminal activities in his own words may support that it may have been him that initiated the attack, especially since he knew he was being followed at one point. but there is a fine line between relevant info vs. maligning the victim so i agree that this could get dirty, beans. in addition, wasn’t it the girlfriend who lied in her initial statements that gave the impression that the defendant was attacked? it was never clear to me what the lie was exactly. so this is why this case could get interesting.

      • 05/28/2013 at 11:18 am

        But he had Marijuana in his system. Everyone knows that makes you prone to violence , especially when imbibing Skittles. Frightening.

      • MMD
        05/28/2013 at 11:35 am

        plus don’t forget the bottle of ice tea he had in his hand. That really gets you in a fighting mood 😉

    • MMD
      05/28/2013 at 11:02 am

      Morning Beans. I agree, the defense has already started smearing the victim. Plus as Canucks we don’t think the same way as those south of us with regards to guns and probably the “Stand Your Ground” law. Just a different way of thinking.

      • 05/28/2013 at 11:37 am

        Let’s wait and see who the victim is… Keep an open mind until all the facts are put out..There was almost a race war over this when it happened…People were using this sad event to start trouble and are not telling the truth

    • Lisa M
      05/28/2013 at 11:45 am

      I am completely against “de-edifying” Trayvon Martin in this case, for example, including anything about his past, because he’s young, and I’m sure there’s both good and bad there, but the DT will only focus on the bad. But over the last several months, I’ve kind of changed my thinking on this case. I tend to believe that at some point Martin became the aggressor, and that it was Zimmerman screaming on the 911 call. I still think Zimmerman is very much to blame for following Martin, for acting like a cop when he wasn’t one, and I’m not a gun person, so I don’t think anyone should carry a gun, but it wasn’t illegal for him to do so. I feel badly for both the victim and the defendant in this case, and it’s not often (or ever) that I say that.
      But I do want to reiterate that I think it’s abhorrent to try to slander the victim. There’s no reason why the defense can’t put on a fair trial without resorting to that. I also feel very badly for Trayvon’s family. This should never have happened.

      • Lisa M
        05/28/2013 at 11:52 am

        I just want to add that, in relation to carrying a gun, that may well have led Zimmerman to feel more empowered, and therefore I think it’s related to what happened even if he wasn’t doing anything illegal by carrying one.

      • Kathy A.
        05/29/2013 at 3:50 pm

        The judge did make some rulings in favor of the prosecution – the defense team cannot introduce anything regarding his use of marijuana, his suspension from school, or fighting.

      • Douglme
        05/29/2013 at 8:20 pm

        I agree, if Zimmerman had of stayed in his vehicle like the dispatcher told him to do and waited for the police to arrive instead of following Trayvon, Trayvon would still be alive today. Zimmerman was a vigilante type blockwatch and I am sure he scared Trayvon by following him. If I was walking down the street minding my own business and someone started following me I would certainly be afraid and the adrenalin would start pumping, being a female I might have started running but Trayvon stood his ground be a young man.

  15. MMD
    05/28/2013 at 10:58 am

    The defense tried for a continuance and the judge shut him down. He still tried to get more argument in before she made her ruling. The judge informed him she HAD already made her ruling.

    JM would love going to court with this judge because she is as organized and focused as JM is.

  16. nyccowgirl
    05/28/2013 at 10:59 am

    from the examiner:

    Here are 10 of the most idiotic things Jodi Arias said about her trial, (with commentary.)

    “No jury will ever convict me.”

    “You can mark my words on that. No jury will convict me, because I’m innocent.” (…maybe in Orlando.)

    “I said that because I planned to be dead.” (…or move to Orlando–same thing.)

    “I wanted to edify Travis. I didn’t want to de-edify Travis.” (Nice try, Wordsmith, but de-edify is not a real word and you can’t edify a dead man.)

    “Death is the ultimate freedom.” “I want my freedom as soon as I can get it.” (Shall we send her a Hallmark card in prison for setting Travis free?)

    “God knows I’m innocent; Travis knows I’m innocent.” (Um, Travis is dead.)

    “You’re making my brain scramble.” (To the prosecutor.)

    “I never knew I needed glasses until 2010.” “I never knew I could see things so clearly.” (Um, life-long amateur photographer? Lenses? Hello?)

    “I think I should get life in prison because I think I deserve to sit with all the memories — the memories I don’t have at this time.” (Yeah, that sounds really rough.)

    “That finger was for you, Nancy Grace.” (Cage match, anyone?)

    • MMD
      05/28/2013 at 11:21 am

      ROFL too good nyc!!!! I love the Orlando connection and her using de-edify drove me nuts. 😆

    • Beans
      05/28/2013 at 11:21 am

      Great list, think NG would kick stabby’s butt. As I remember it, it was the girlfriend who gave the false statement.

    • Lisa M
      05/28/2013 at 11:32 am

      Nice! Did she really make that second-to-last statement? I must have missed that. 🙂 It doesn’t even make sense!

      • HJ Madison
        05/28/2013 at 12:39 pm

        She did, as an answer to a juror question, I think.

    • HJ Madison
      05/28/2013 at 11:45 am

      ~~~Morning All!~~~~

      This is a wonderful list! The eye glasses were one of my favorites too. Gees, everyone in her family wears them and you will never convince me those beady little independant wonderers did not require correction in childhood! She was too vain to wear them. It was the way she explained how she randomly put someone’s glasses on in 2010 and suddenly her world was anew …. give me a break!!!!.

    • Family of Law
      05/28/2013 at 12:00 pm

      And of course, all these things were said “contemporaneously”.

  17. 05/28/2013 at 11:03 am

    Especially for Ringading 😀 (decided on satire this time)

    The Spider And The Mall

    Cognitive Dissonance:

    It is a conflict feelings between what we think or feel and what we prefer to believe. It happens without us knowing many times a day most times it’s just part of every day life choices.

    Simple example: I think there’s a spider in my house I need to get rid of it. Choice… I’m going shopping instead.

    This simple mechanism in the mind can have dire consequences.

    What if that spider turns out to be deadly and bites you later that night while you are asleep in bed? Your cognitive dissonance that took the more comfortable route of shopping has proved to be a fatal mistake.

    Maybe the spider deliberately hid so you would feel more comfortable going shopping.

    It is trying to lead us to feel comfortable with something we feel to be incongruous with our instinct. We should get rid of the spider but it’s probably harmless and it’s out of sight now anyhow.

    These types of decisions are part of every day compromise and are most often healthy but other times as in the spider example, it can prove foolhardy even drastic.

    Manipulators and liars utilise this conflict constantly and always to their advantage. They count on our good nature “going shopping” instead of ridding ourselves of the spider.

    Most of us prefer to go shopping it’s a lot better than spending hours pulling the house apart and making sure we are rid of the itty bitty spider and anyhow.. the spider is so small how can it hurt to leave it there?

    Well.. actually.. our spider is more akin to a scorpion and it’s lurking in it’s crevice waiting for us to fall asleep so it can make our leg swell to 3 times it’s size, immobilise us and leave screaming in a slow, excruciating death.

    Thought while you are agonising in pain:
    Going to get that coffee and tim tams and those darn shoes that were on special wasn’t such a good choice after all. Shoulda got rid of that f@cking spider!!!

    The spider scurries away smiling to itself. HaHa another victim suckered!

    • Family of Law
      05/28/2013 at 12:02 pm

      But if JA found a spider in her house, she would scoop it up in a cup, and put it outside…(before leaving to visit her ex-boyfriend in the middle of the night…)

      • 05/28/2013 at 12:11 pm

        that’s cos she knows a manipulator when she see’s one. You know .. the childish school yard “takes one to know one”

    • ringadingding
      05/28/2013 at 8:06 pm

      Mwah–thank you! I posted reply below. 🙂

    • Lisa M
      05/29/2013 at 2:08 am

      You’re giving me a bad case of arachnophobia!!

  18. MMD
    05/28/2013 at 11:07 am

    Jenkasauras was in the courtroom the same as the last hearing. Guess she’s not going to be leaving HLN 😦 Wish they would keep Beth Karas instead.

    • HJ Madison
      05/28/2013 at 11:51 am

      Did we ever learn anything about where Beth is going? She is such a diligent legal reporter!

      • donchais
        05/28/2013 at 11:52 am

        She has something cooking, but isn’t trial reporting.

  19. Regina
    05/28/2013 at 11:13 am

    This man lied thru his teeth on his interview to became a dp qualified. I don’t believe that all 12 didn’t know about how a mistrial happens. If he as foreman didn’t know he should ask. Afterhis son interview I have an idea how he got qualified. According to his son his dad wasn’t a media where but he was. I think he tried hard to be accepted as juror for the “exciting ” side of Jodi because there was not admonition before trial and Jodi was already knew as a big liar. Donchais , is it true that he said that he want to reach out Jodi?

  20. 05/28/2013 at 11:19 am

    Deco :
    Wise as braggart. SAid with love and affecting, but no affect.

    LMAO Deco!!! to be honest when I initially looked at yours and the one I posted I was like.. wtf how the hell do you work this out… i think the initial shock of wtf *cross eyes* kinda spurs me into action. It’s that flight or fight mode! 😀

    • 05/28/2013 at 11:31 am

      Deco saw your typo fix upstairs.. personally I prefer the typo.. I took it as “wise ass braggart” definitely agree with wise ass…. 😛

      • 05/28/2013 at 11:37 am

        I just apologized for typos amd, Of course I’m always a dollar short and an hour ( or so) late… Wise Ass Braggart does suit you better. I do , however, love our posts.

    • 05/28/2013 at 11:34 am

      Forgive typos… Corrected above. 🙂

  21. Lisa M
    05/28/2013 at 11:29 am

    Does anyone know what’s going on with the OJ trial? Last I heard Yale Galanter was on the stand, and then after that, nothing. Is the judge expected to rule on whether or not he’ll get a new trial soon? Has he/she ruled already?

    • MMD
      05/28/2013 at 11:33 am

      It’s going to be a few weeks before she rules.

      • Lisa M
        05/28/2013 at 11:56 am

        Ok, thanks, MMD! I was so mad when HLN just stopped airing the OJ trial suddenly because of their coverage of that OTHER trial– which wasn’t even on at that point, they just needed to talk about it ad nauseum. They stopped at the best part, when Yale Galanter was on the stand. I did catch some of it online, but still, grrr..

  22. 05/28/2013 at 11:30 am

    nyccowgirl :
    410

    NYC and Syn. That took a long time. Mental midget here.

    • 05/28/2013 at 11:35 am

      I wasn’t even sure I was right.. I just saw the little orange thingo and then kinda went with what I thought without making sure it fitted with them all. Then I scrolled to find your actual comment and saw NYCGs answer was the same.

      • 05/28/2013 at 11:44 am

        Grrrr. You’re wrong, wrong, I tell you..reply in wrong place. iI was talking to the two ninjas. They had it right.

  23. Beans
    05/28/2013 at 11:39 am

    Gotta go,my (genius) kid is here to do some work on my ailing PC. so have a good day everyone.

  24. MMD
    05/28/2013 at 11:45 am

    Beans if it’s any consolation, all of the information that the defense put out, like pictures, school records, texts, photos, etc. was all deemed inadmissible in court. You can’t unring that bell though with potential jurors.

    It’s gonna be nasty though because they already have racial profiling, guns, bigotry, a cop wannabe, homophobia (Zimmerman’s brother), politics and a teen wearing a hoodie. All that’s left is religion and I’m sure someone eventually will bring that in as well. 😦

  25. 05/28/2013 at 11:45 am

    Vickee :
    WELL, I gave it a quick read, 3 seconds said Sh#t ……. I loved your joke better. That one is getting repeated to hubby. He loves jokes.

    Vickee.. ya I loved that joke too figured it was international language for Tax Departments

    …and I had same reaction in three seconds.. as I said above to Deco… look at those things and first 3-5 seconds is.. Sh#t **cross eyes* panic.. then fight or flight kicks in and I usually fight.. obviously you picked flight.. to google LOL!! It was a close call for me.. guess that’s cognitive dissonance.. you felt more comfortable fleeing.. I felt more comfortable fighting. You’re the nice person! 😀

    • Anonymous
      05/28/2013 at 12:20 pm

      Love ya, but being a redheaded Irish person I am usually a fighter, just knew last nite it was time to flee~ knowing the brain was definitely not working in any logical direction
      :0)

  26. donchais
    05/28/2013 at 11:46 am

    Folks, this is not a Martin/Zimmerman thread.

    This is a Justice for Travis thread

    Please respect that.

    Thx.

    • Its me!
      05/28/2013 at 6:33 pm

      I just wanted to comment how much I appreciate your devotion to this blog. Other sites/blogs are allowing mixed comments regarding other trials and issues and they claim they were setup in honor of Justice for Travis. And are now basically telling people who have voiced their opinions against it to take a hike! Kudos to you for your respect and dictation for Justice for Travis and his family.

    • Lisa M
      05/28/2013 at 7:33 pm

      Got it!

  27. 05/28/2013 at 11:56 am

    I don’t usually repost my stuff… but more and more I think my early observations on the jury foreman were a reasonable foundation. So in case anyone missed this I’m re-posting it.

    It also goes hand in hand with my satirical piece “The spider And The Mall” (above)
    _______________________

    05/25/2013 at 1:43 at #216

    Jury Foreman in the Jodi Arias Trial

    He SHOULD have recused himself and allowed one of the alternates to step in. He had a conflict of interest.

    We should be thankful we got a guilty premed out of this guy. Once he gave that we were always going to get the extreme cruelty factor from him.

    Somehow, he was able to see the crime for what it was BUT sadly, in isolation from her. Hence no DP.

    The moment he laid eyes on her there were two unresolved questions in his mind “How could she have done it? What drove her to it?”

    This must have been EXTREMELY frustrating for other jurors. It is unfortunate this guy was made the foreman but it is clear why he was. He is capable of very strong opinionated tunnel vision.

    He wanted that foreman role and he would not have worked well with another foreman. I bet he breathed a sigh of relief when Juror 8 was removed.. and I can see this guy being the very reason Juror 8 was out for a drink!!!! Maybe he sensed it about him, maybe he was just a little ‘off’.

    Why His “verdict”?

    He saw Jodistein as Lil Miss Perfect her persona that has worked so well for her all her life.

    This guy probably looked at her more often than any other juror and she would have been well aware of that. She would have played to that the whole 5 months. Early in the trial there were rumours she thought she had a juror “in her pocket”. This guy could have been that juror.

    Likely when it was confirmed to her juror 18 was the foreman she would have been giddy as school girl. “Jen Jen, it’s him it’s him!!”

    After the guilty first degree verdict, when she spoke of the jury “betraying” her, she could have spoken directly to him and any others like him.

    Her power point display was aimed at someone precisely like him. It was more of the “I am the girl next door” fodder and deliberately so.

    When it came to giving the DP she counted on him (and others like him) not seeing her for what she is.

    “Lil Miss Perfect must have had a reason to do this”. He could not believe she could do it, therefore in his mind Travis MUST have driven her to it.

    He would not have seen the 48 hour documentary so he had no background of the capacity and depth of her ability to lie and manipulate. No idea how coldly vengeful she is. She is a Lucretia Borgia of this era.

    Likely he wasn’t giving DP but he also secretly didn’t want to give LWOP either – he knew the crime warranted it.

    So a “no verdict” verdict suited him perfectly. It absolved him of the responsibility while still assuring she didn’t get DP on his watch.

    If she had been a man or he had found her less ‘easy on the eye’ he would have shown no hesitation in giving DP – none whatsoever. But he couldn’t bring himself to do it.

    He SHOULD have recused himself and allowed one of the alternates to step in. He had a conflict of interest.

    He will likely never be swayed from his current stance because it is based on nothing more than his cognitive inability to integrate the notion of her doing it in cold blood.

    This is why the question remains unresolved to him. This is why he wants to get an answer from her. He needs something to help him understand….

    ….BUT…..

    That WASN’T his job! This is no reason not to give someone the DP. He had a chance to ask her that when she was on the stand.. why didn’t he?

    (Question left open ended deliberately… it’s clear why.)

    • Lisa M
      05/29/2013 at 2:15 am

      Well-said!

  28. Family of Law
    05/28/2013 at 12:06 pm

    Good morning/ evening all 🙂

    • 05/28/2013 at 12:12 pm

      hurro FoL 😀

      Just make sure YOU get rid of the spiders! 😛

      • Family of Law
        05/28/2013 at 12:20 pm

        Evening Syn! How’s Melbourne treating you? Any warmer?

        Thanks to you, I can spot when I spider tries to walk in!

    • 05/28/2013 at 12:27 pm

      Little colder than I am used to.. but not as bad as I feared most of the time. Ducted heating helps. Free day tomorrow errr technically today. KInda a home body these days so really apart from the work… would rather be home ;(

  29. Family of Law
    05/28/2013 at 12:20 pm

    Juror Mary Lou on Anderson Cooper….

    • 05/28/2013 at 12:38 pm

      she seems a very considered person. Every juror who has stated they voted DP that I have seen so far uses the trial testimony and the case presented to explain their stance.

      The ONLY one I’ve seen so far who voted against DP is the foreman and his reasons are based on personal pre-conceptions.

      I wouldn’t mind so much if the Foreman based his decision on a considered opinion reflective of the evidence, it’s the fact that he based it on emotional bias alone that is particularly irksome.

      Thank you so much for posting this FoL I had not seen this juror before. Is she #16? maybe it said it in the interview I will go back and listen.

      • Family of Law
        05/28/2013 at 1:06 pm

        Syn- She does seem to weigh her words very respectfully- she’s an ER nurse, I assume her personality, couple with her training, makes her react well under pressure. She clearly saw what we see, and never bought into any of any of the BS. I think Marilou is #16, and Diane (the retired 911 operator) is #17- I’m still trying to figure out which number Kevin (the banker) was. The three of them sat down together, I will post that link as well.
        HJ- Jenkasauruuus has lost ALL credibility (what little she did have). She made so many incorrect assumptions re: juror behavior- she owes some major mea culpas! I’m still pissed that by opening her big mouth re: “What if the jury saw all of the attention Juan receives outside the courthouse”? Very irresponsible reporting, especially given her being an attorney herself. Oooh, and I hate it when she says how sad Mamma Arias has appeared in court! What? When? When she’s whispering and smiling?

      • nyccowgirl
        05/28/2013 at 9:14 pm

        FOL – Tara Kelley who is on Dr. Drew today is #17 and an alternate. I think this is the one that they said looked like wobo’s mom and would not give DP. #6 is the one that interviewed all weekend and is on Dr. Drew today as well as she’s the one that mouthed sorry to the family as she left. I think she is the 911 person.

    • HJ Madison
      05/28/2013 at 12:44 pm

      I have been kind of in and out, so sorry if this has already been posted…… This must be the juror that Jenkasaurus referred to as being the hold out — she said she looked like Sandy Arias and had her arms folded with sort of a scowl! Jean was sure the woman was telegraphing dissent and thought she was a lone hold out. Right! Once again, Jenkasaurus to the rescue! I already miss Beth!

      • 05/28/2013 at 12:54 pm

        seems like this jenkasaurus gets a heck of a lot wrong. At least from what you lot keep me informed about on here. Maybe she is only good when she is spoon fed what to say and isn’t good at personal observations?

        Something I would have thought a reporter should have innately if they are going to be out in the field and not just reading a teleprompter.

      • HJ Madison
        05/28/2013 at 1:00 pm

        She does. But, she adds to the sensationalism of it all. No doubt that is why she is staying on. 😞

  30. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/28/2013 at 12:30 pm

    Well,finally got here after scrolling and catching up. Firmly ensconced in the 61%. The jury foreman’s kid wants in on the action now. You can’t keep mediawhores down on the farm.

    • Lisa M
      05/28/2013 at 12:41 pm

      yeah, but Robert, I read that blog, and it moved me how he wanted to defend his father. And he even admitted to being a media whore.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/28/2013 at 1:00 pm

        First, he’s using his father’s role to wedge himself into the discussion. Privately he could have said “hey Dad, you’re my man still!” but instead he issued a public statement defending his father’s waffling – perhaps even uninformed – role in the trial. In addition, he made it sound as if his father had “no choice” but to talk to all the media people crowding him. Untrue. The concept of “no comment” apparently isn’t in the father’s vocabulary. When he did speak, he sounded uninformed and a bit sexist. In the public arena, let the father defend his choice of words and thinking; in the public arena,the son’s opinion is no more valid than the next guys. In private, he could have told his Dad how great he was and he still loved him etc etc. Not really his place to tell everyone else what to think.

      • donchais
        05/28/2013 at 2:34 pm

        And, loving a good conspiracy theory…who even says this guy is legit????

      • Lisa M
        05/28/2013 at 2:03 pm

        I agree with most of what you’re saying but maybe just saying “Dad, I love you” when your father is being attacked publically isn’t enough. I’m not saying the juror doesn’t deserve public criticism. I’m just saying it probably hurts to just stand by idly. Just my opinion. Never been in that situation, thankfully, so I don’t know what Id do. And Im not saying that what kind of a father or grandfather the guy is relevant, but he has a right to stick up for his father IMO.

    • 05/28/2013 at 12:43 pm

      Do you see that vid or have you already seen the interview with Mary-Lou? I find it interesting that she seems pretty much still shell shocked.. whereas foreman Joe seemed to be up and ready and straight into the media.

      I think he had it all pre-planned and it bides in with my view that he deliberately intended to orchestrate his way into that Foreman position. I still find it amazing that we got a First degree pre-med out of him. I wonder if he thought pulling the no verdict verdict stunt at the end would actually nullify the whole trial. Just a thought to keep in mind as things progress I guess.

      • CC ...
        05/28/2013 at 1:01 pm

        Hi Syn … I posted the very same observation yesterday (or the day before) re thinking it was a way to nullify the whole trial, i.e. M1 conviction. It makes total sense … especially the way he has been yapping away trying to explain his positions.
        Something is very fishy indeed!

      • 05/28/2013 at 1:41 pm

        What I can’t figure out is he said that although he was moved by the testimony of Travis Alexander’s family, it wasn’t “evidence.” How in hell were his preconceptions “evidence”? He really should have recused himself if he couldn’t imagine her murdering him unless he had provoked her somehow. Arrgh!

      • Lisa M
        05/28/2013 at 2:10 pm

        What is the “no verdict” verdict stunt you’re referring to? I think I missed something that the foreman said in his interview about confusion over the verdict but not clear on what that confusion was. Is that what you’re referring to, or are you saying he orchestrated the verdict itself? How would this nullify the trial?

      • Lisa M
        05/28/2013 at 8:31 pm

        It seems like a leap to me to say that he orchestrated becoming foreperson. I’ve never been on a jury but don’t the other jurors have input into that decision? And I cant imagine he was the only strong personality on that jury. I think we should wait to hear from all jurors before speculating too much.

      • Lisa M
        05/28/2013 at 11:23 pm

        I still can’t believe he had sympathy for Jodi. The defense obviously picked the right juror when they
        picked him!

    • 05/28/2013 at 12:43 pm

      Isn’t it amazing how surface clamorimg for their 15 minutes?

  31. Lisa M
    05/28/2013 at 12:39 pm

    Brought over from last night’s thread:
    From Robert:
    Lisa- doesnt it strike you as inherently unfair to have a different group “punish” a defendant. I mean there is an element of Inquisition about it. If a “hung” jury on punishment there should be a back up plan: this or that;Judge decide ,or fixed term.. SOMETHING. Instead a whole new group? with witnesses? It can go both ways you know. A govt that does that to the criminal can do it to the defendant in a civil matter.I’m sure it means well and sur ethey studies it, but it seems, to me anyway, to be too susceptible to corruption and too violent an assault against one’s right to “a” jury trial.

    Hmm, Robert, like I said last night, I really hadn’t thought of this in terms of “double jeopardy” before but now that you’ve brought it to my attention, I see how it could be construed that way. We don’t allow new juries to be impaneled for defendants acquitted in the guilt phase. Why in the penalty phase? (Well, not that JA was acquitted– but the verdict was still a verdict, even if a non-unanimous one) Maybe one of the site’s legal eagles can explain why the prosecutor gets another chance to try the penalty phase in Arizona. Is it because this is really a mistrial, or at least it’s legally construed as such?

  32. HJ Madison
    05/28/2013 at 12:56 pm

    donchais :
    She has something cooking, but isn’t trial reporting.

    Thank you Donchais. I think Beth Karas has always attempted to remain neutral, even though sometimes it was difficult because evidence was so over-whelming. And, she always did so much research — scrounging up every court document available. Her interviews were solid — would love her to have interviewed WOBO. She will really be missed!

  33. Family of Law
    05/28/2013 at 1:08 pm

    Jurors: Marilou, Diane and Kevin

    • 05/28/2013 at 1:29 pm

      ok these three seem to have easily made a smooth connection between the crime and Jodi Arias’ physical appearance although initially they admit to being somewhat surprised by it.

      Foreman Joe never was able to make that ‘leap”. I really want to hear what the other 3 who couldn’t go with DP have to say I am sooo curious to know if they echo Foreman Joe’s words.

      Thanks for this FoL.

      • Family of Law
        05/28/2013 at 1:55 pm

        I can understand having the initial reaction of disbelief, “this is the person that was able to savagely murder and drag a 180 lb man?” But these jurors were quickly convinced that SHE was indeed. As for Bill Z, so many things bother me about him- as youve said, he has lots of unerlying issues with JA. I do not understand his inability to see the verdicts all of the way through. I hated how he spoke as “we” (no Bil, just 4). He was able to convict her on M1 as well as find it Cruel, but then when the time came to sentance her, suddenly he was having a hard time believing that she was capable? That “something” must have caused her to react the way she did? As you stated, there is something very fishy. His voir dire was clearly not truthful, and I’m convinced that his “misunderstanding of the juror instructions” is BS. What, he really didn’t know that when he submitted the non -verdict that the result would be a mistrial!?! No, I don’t buy it.

        What I wonder is, did the other jurors not know that their non verdict would stand? And a mistrial would result in the inability to be unanimous? Did Bill mislead them?

      • donchais
        05/28/2013 at 2:41 pm

        Solid!!!!

  34. 05/28/2013 at 1:10 pm

    CC … :
    Hi Syn … I posted the very same observation yesterday (or the day before) re thinking it was a way to nullify the whole trial, i.e. M1 conviction. It makes total sense … especially the way he has been yapping away trying to explain his positions.
    Something is very fishy indeed!

    Sorry I did not see your earlier post on this.. I’ve been missing a lot of comments of late.

    But yeah.. put it this way.. it’s pieces to keep on the table in case they fit.. for whatever reason I think we can safely say the consequence of the no verdict verdict was not quite what he was foreseen. For whatever reason he does seem to be surprised by the mistrial of that phase called by the judge.

    I also wonder why.. if he was unsure.. did he not clarify it first before presenting it.. he was certainly within his right to do so as the foreman I would think.

    Did he not want the others to know what would happen and did he assume underhandedly that the whole trial would need to be repeated? I don’t know.. but whatever he did i certainly seems underhanded simply because he didn’t clarify it first.

    • Lisa M
      05/28/2013 at 8:43 pm

      Didn’t the jury already ask a question to clarify before that? So shouldn’t they have been aware of what they were doing. Doesn’t a foreperson have to make sure that everyone is on board before he posts s verdict? There were so many intelligent people on that jury, I don’t think we can assume that he had the power to mislead them. I would love to hear from the other three who voted against the DP along with the foreman but I have a feeling that they might not want to go public.

      • Lisa M
        05/28/2013 at 8:46 pm

        I tend to agree that he should have recused himself though. No way was he impartial enough to render a fair verdict at that point if he wasnt accepting the first degree conviction completely.

  35. HJ Madison
    05/28/2013 at 1:27 pm

    Family of Law :
    Syn- She does seem to weigh her words very respectfully- she’s an ER nurse …..

    HJ- Jenkasauruuus has lost ALL credibility (what little she did have). She made so many incorrect assumptions re: juror behavior- she owes some major mea culpas! I’m still pissed that by opening her big mouth re: “What if the jury saw all of the attention Juan receives outside the courthouse”? Very irresponsible reporting, especially given her being an attorney herself. Oooh, and I hate it when she says how sad Mamma Arias has appeared in court! What? When? When she’s whispering and smiling?

    edited for space …

    FOL: Agree. She has been trying to make “friends” with mama Arias for awhile now. She chased her down outside the psych ward and gave her something — her card or some sort of note. Some bystander had claimed they overheard mama say something about “the beginning or the end …” and mama approached Jenkasaurus saying that was untrue. Jenka was quick to get it all on the record. She is obviously hoping to score an interview. Plus she kowtows to Nancy Grace and her brow beatings. Sad…. just really sad!

    • Family of Law
      05/28/2013 at 2:04 pm

      HJ, I saw that too, it was pathetic maneuver to try and secure a “trust me, I’ve got your back…give ME your exclusive interview”! Gaaaaaack!

    • Lisa M
      05/28/2013 at 8:49 pm

      How does Beth Karas seem to stay above it all? She never appears to be kowtowing to anyone, even Nancy.

  36. 05/28/2013 at 1:45 pm

    Family of Law :
    Syn- She does seem to weigh her words very respectfully- she’s an ER nurse, I assume her personality, couple with her training,

    I think Marilou is #16, and Diane (the retired 911 operator) is #17- I’m still trying to figure out which number Kevin (the banker) was.

    HJ- Jenkasauruuus “What if the jury saw all of the attention Juan receives outside the courthouse”? Very irresponsible reporting, especially given her being an attorney herself. Oooh, and I hate it when she says how sad Mamma Arias has appeared in court! What? When? When she’s whispering and smiling?

    FoL.. Juror #17 is Tara Kelley and was an alternate. I wish 18 had been picked instead of 17 that’s why I remember that one!

    I think Diane is Juror #6

    As for Kevin.. I don’t know I looked at the list and there is nobody who stands out as being him… but looking at him he kinda looks like a “wrestler”.. and there is a wrestler on there so perhaps he is #13??? I really don’t know on that one cos without the correct ‘nick’ it’s impossible to tell with any certainly from the list I have.

    ..and ohhhh Jenkasaurus could have been indirectly responsible for the departure of Juror 5.. omg her!!! I hadn’t put the name with her! So Jenkasaurus was the one on the stand in that furor before they then got Ms Wong in?

    • Family of Law
      05/28/2013 at 2:02 pm

      Syn, Thanks for the clarification on juror #’s. maybe Kevin is the “wrestler” (doesn’t look much like the banker that he actually is).

      Yup, Jenkasauruuus was the one who you saw take the stand, and try to back peddle about what she saw, and then reported while on NG. But I’m thinking it wasn’t in re: to 5 being booted, I think 5 was overheard by Dono or Mamma, and they tattled. All juror 5 actually said was, “if they can afford to pay their experts $300 an hour, you’d think they could afford more comfortable chairs”. I think juror 5 has a great sense of humor 🙂

      • 05/28/2013 at 2:07 pm

        ya it was just the timing though.. the jenkasaurus report of “what if a juror saw that” then nothing came of it except out the other end Juror #5 was dismissed.

        I know the official story was the chairs but I’ve always wondered about that… I can’t see that comment getting a Juror excused and the timing …

        did juror #5 ever say why she was dismissed.. I don’t think she wanted to talk about until the end so need to hear about that now that the jury has been released to confirm that story.

      • Family of Law
        05/28/2013 at 2:15 pm

        The timing was curious… I’ve never seen juror 5 speak, I’m hoping that she will now that the others are. I’d love to hear her thoughts, I’m guessing she would have been strongly in favor of the DP.

  37. tamara
    05/28/2013 at 1:56 pm

    That’s what and oversexed, senile, rush to judgement w/o respecting others input leader will do. Fail to do what is right.

    • donchais
      05/28/2013 at 2:43 pm

      Wow, that’s beyond judgmental, IMHO! We don’t know any of that!

  38. tamara
    05/28/2013 at 1:58 pm

    I’m sure this Foreman Bill could have come to at least deliberated LWOP better but then the judge could give her 25/life

  39. 05/28/2013 at 2:02 pm

    Family of Law :
    I can understand having the initial reaction of disbelief, “this is the person that was able to savagely murder and drag a 180 lb man?” But these jurors were quickly convinced that SHE was indeed.

    … As for Bill Z, so many things bother me about him- As you stated, there is something very fishy. [He] was clearly not truthful, and I’m convinced that his “misunderstanding of the juror instructions” is BS. What, he really didn’t know that when he submitted the non -verdict that the result would be a mistrial!?! No, I don’t buy it.

    What I wonder is, did the other jurors not know that their non verdict would stand? And a mistrial would result in the inability to be unanimous? Did Bill mislead them?

    Exactly.. exactly.. and if so how exactly and why? This is the REAL question.. and if not.. why didn’t he clarify it before submitting it on that official form? He had an agenda I’m sure of it.. what that agenda was we need more information from the other jurors to piece it together.

    • Lisa M
      05/28/2013 at 2:13 pm

      You just answered the question I posted so never mind the earlier post!

      • Lisa M
        05/28/2013 at 2:16 pm

        Let me get this straight: the jury foreman didn’t know that by submitting the verdict form he was officially casting the jury’s verdict? What did he think the judge would do? Send them back into the jury room to rehash everything?

    • Family of Law
      05/28/2013 at 2:21 pm

      Yes, that IS the real question. My gut instinct (no fact) is that he regretted his two previous votes. He hoped that his non verdict would help make amends, and soothe his own guilt.

      • Lisa M
        05/28/2013 at 2:26 pm

        The juror interviews by Anderson Cooper (above) said based on the instructions they knew they had to submit a non verdict verdict. So they so must have been aware of the instructions.

      • 05/28/2013 at 2:39 pm

        yeah that’s my gut too.. or he thought if he threw the spanner in at the end the whole trial would be voided.

        Lisa-M yes he said he was surprised at the outcome it was in the first interview I saw of him it was one of the very few things he said at the time.

      • 05/28/2013 at 2:43 pm

        FoL on twitter I tried to ask Az Central to ask Diane (Juror 6) if she knew the non verdict verdict mean a retrial of that last phase but I got the question in too late.. plus there was no guarantee Chris Williams (think that’s his name) would have asked her anyhow.

        I REALLY want to know the answer to this.

      • Family of Law
        05/28/2013 at 2:52 pm

        That was a great try Syn! I’ve been looking, and all I have seen is that the jurors that are speaking, will not disclose anything about their fellow jurors, which I find very honorable and respectful (but their making it hard to find dirt! Lol) so, we may never know if they felt misled by the verdict of non-verdict leading to a mistrial.

  40. Family of Law
    05/28/2013 at 2:28 pm

    Family of Law :
    Evening Syn! How’s Melbourne treating you? Any warmer?
    Thanks to you, I can spot when I spider tries to walk in!

    OMG! This typo is the worst!!!! Not (I) spider!!!! (A) spider! Aaaaack Gaaawd! Alright Syn, don’t read any creepy sh*t into that! Lol!!!!!!

    • 05/28/2013 at 2:36 pm

      freudian? mwhahahaha!!! 😛 soz I will send myself to the naughty corner now ➡

      (couldn’t resist!)

      • Family of Law
        05/28/2013 at 2:47 pm

        Damn it, now I’m scared of my “inner ID”!!!!

      • Family of Law
        05/28/2013 at 2:48 pm

        Go➡ now! Without vodka OR popcorn!!!

      • Lisa M
        05/28/2013 at 8:51 pm

        Mmm… Popcorn!

  41. Family of Law
    05/28/2013 at 3:00 pm

    A reminder: jurors #6 and #17 will be on Dr. Drew tonight (HLN). Not sure there’s anything “new” to hear, but it could be interesting.

    • 05/28/2013 at 3:05 pm

      take notes for me if anything new!! 😛

      and without vodka OR popcorn!! That’s a bit harsh isn’t it??? 😯

  42. 05/28/2013 at 3:27 pm

    Sittin’ in the naughty corner watchin’ Mickee Kunpao with Tim Tams! nah nah nah
    *Fingers wiggling at temples*…. 😛 (that’s for FoL )

    • Family of Law
      05/28/2013 at 4:20 pm

      Dearest Syn, I’m so glad you’ve been able to entertain yourself in the N.C. Without libations to wash down your “sneaky” snacks! I raise your “nah, nah, nah” with a, “Na Na Na boo boooooo”! – Mikee D!!!! He never fails!!!!

  43. MMD
    05/28/2013 at 3:46 pm

    Here is a comment that Harold Sorensen posted on the State vs Jodi Arias FB page.

    A statement by Harold Sorenson, Tanisha’s husband:

    I will make a comment ! These are my words only. This is not from any of the Alexander family or even from my wife Tanisha.

    They are all emotionally drained. At the same time they are overwhelmingly grateful – to the court, to Judge Stephens, to the jurors all of them, especially to Juan Martinez, to the Attorney General of Arizona, who they will be meeting with very shortly to prepare themselves emotionally, mentally, for the re-trial of the third phase, the penalty phase. This will be even harder on them then what they’ve experienced during the past phases of this trial.

    If ever they needed the world’s love and support of the overwhelming majority that have been there for them, it would be this re trial of the penalty phase.
    Please keep the family continually in your hearts, in your prayers as the fight for justice is not just for Travis alone, but for the past and future victims of the world that the DP can be respected and upheld when it truly is warranted.

    Let goodness prevail over evil.

    We love you, and deeply respect the overwhelming support. God bless true victims and justice for Travis Alexander.

    Thank you,
    Harold Sorenson.

    • 05/28/2013 at 3:51 pm

      Thanks for posting that MMD

    • Family of Law
      05/28/2013 at 4:42 pm

      Hi MMD 🙂 Thanks for bringing this over!

    • runaroundmom83
      05/28/2013 at 8:04 pm

      I read that as well, truly a very classy family who, while being emotionally drained, still have faith that they will see the verdict of death for this horrible murder.

    • Moon
      05/28/2013 at 11:43 pm

      ahh that is so nice to read! ty mmd.

      you can sure see how much he loves Tanisha

  44. 05/28/2013 at 3:50 pm

    Ok Jury Foreman Mr Z…. please watch this Mickee D video… then watch “play misty for me” (1971) Actually you should have already seen it at your age!! Who of your generation hasn’t? So maybe you need a refresher course!

    Just a suggestion but HIGHLY recommend you watch and learn!! See why Travis might have called Jodi a sociopath and been a liiiiittle frustrated and upset by her constantly hanging around??

    • Lisa M
      05/28/2013 at 10:03 pm

      Thanks so much Syntara for posting Mikee D. This is a great one!

      • Lisa M
        05/28/2013 at 10:04 pm

        Isn’t that the actress who plays the mother on Arrested Development?!

  45. Moon
    05/28/2013 at 3:57 pm

    Hi everyone! Have so much to catch up on! My monitor crashed and burned. just was able to get a replacement.

    Hope you’re all doing well and keeping the fight for justice!

    • Family of Law
      05/28/2013 at 6:20 pm

      Hiya Moon! Poor little monitor! I’m glad you were quick to replace it 🙂

      • Moon
        05/28/2013 at 11:37 pm

        hi there FOL! It wasn’t easy! I was in major withdrawals yesterday when I tried evthing I could to get monitor back. This morning I called PC place … had to take the “box” in first so they could see if it was the card… the monitor they used to test card worked fine, so then I had to haul the monitor in. Nice now tho I went from 19″ to 24″ guy gave me quite the look when I told him I have an IPAD I bought myself for xmas and it’s still in the box! One of these days!

  46. Moon
    05/28/2013 at 4:43 pm

    ahhh so much good reading … so far behind, but off to pick up my GD!
    have a good one!

  47. 05/28/2013 at 4:56 pm

    Family of Law :
    The timing was curious… I’ve never seen juror 5 speak, I’m hoping that she will now that the others are. I’d love to hear her thoughts, I’m guessing she would have been strongly in favor of the DP.

    FOL,
    I know in some states if jury verdict is for DP, the judge is Not obligated to abide by their verdict. Do you know if this is true in Arizona? Could the judge have sentenced her to LWOP or Life if they had rendered a DP Verdict?

    • Family of Law
      05/28/2013 at 6:05 pm

      Hi Deco- No, the judge could not have overturned their verdict had the voted unanimously fot the DP. If they had sentenced her to Life, then the judge could render either “natural life” or 25 years to life. That’s my understanding.

  48. Anonymous
    05/28/2013 at 6:44 pm

    Hey all. I’m around for a bit. Just checking in.

    @Syn, no Email addy just yet. Took the day off yesterday to stare at the wall.

  49. 05/28/2013 at 6:45 pm

    Hey all.

  50. 05/28/2013 at 6:46 pm

    @ Syn, no email addy that I found. Took the day off yesterday and stared at the wall…

  51. HJ Madison
    05/28/2013 at 7:15 pm

    Hmmmmm…. JVM and others have jurors on. Just caught a bit …. age of juror (less than 50) seems to be contributing factor.

    • HJ Madison
      05/28/2013 at 7:33 pm

      To clarify — younger ones seem to have been less shocked by all the graphic and sexual content of the trial and were more likely to vote for the DP.

      • 05/28/2013 at 9:11 pm

        Interesting.. thanks HJ

        also coincides with cuture change during formative years. As I said re foreman… Lala generation psychoanalysis era vs Dr Demarte’s cognitive behaviour therapy era – understanding of character disturbance (pesonality disorders) rather than Freudian psychobabble which is really not relevant so much anymore.

        Major thing for me to include in behavioural study. Culture (intellectual and moral beliefs) is very much related to behaviour and perspective.

      • 05/28/2013 at 11:08 pm

        Syn, along this line, any thoughts of how this plays into some beliefs that people of disorders are spiritually/demonically possessed?

      • 05/28/2013 at 11:10 pm

        P.s. you’ve mentioned evil previously. If there’s evil, then on the other end of the spectrum, good. Just eliciting our thoughts.

  52. ringadingding
    05/28/2013 at 8:03 pm

    This in reply to Syn’s Spider and the Mall from somewhere upstairs (I’d have responded earlier, but I’ve been offline all day–it’s moving day!). This is a fabulous analogy. Thank you so much. So…we *do* choose comfort against our own self-interest or self-preservation. I can see this operating every day, as you point out, but no where is it more striking than how it played out with Travis. He knew JA was trouble from the beginning. He even told a friend back in the fall of 2006 that she was a liar. His good friends warned him to stay away from her. And yet…he chose to go to the mall instead of getting rid of the spider in his house. I wonder how much of his childhood, where survival probably meant ignoring a lot of spiders, played into that decision-making process. Boy, did Jodi have him marked but good.

  53. runaroundmom83
    05/28/2013 at 8:35 pm

    Not taking anyone’s thunder, but I ran across this link on FB, she talks about how JA played the jury and how it may bite her the next time around… http://wendymurphylaw.com/jodi-hannibal-lecter-arias

    • dpforjodi
      05/28/2013 at 9:12 pm

      thanks

    • Chrissie A
      05/29/2013 at 12:44 am

      Brilliant article!! Really gets to the core of Stabby’s manipulation and the defense strategy!! Thanks for posting!

    • GN5020
      05/29/2013 at 7:27 am

      Wendy Murphy’s article is spectacular, and I agree wholeheartedly with what she says about the defense strategy to not present any mitigation witnesses. Doesn’t it seem right if a 1st Degree Murder case verdict is changed on appeal due to “ineffective counsel” that the defense attorneys would be sanctioned by the bar??

  54. dpforjodi
    05/28/2013 at 8:41 pm

    Is anyone as lost as me? I can’t even remember what I use to do 5 months ago. I think I may be getting sucked into the Caryn Kelley trial. OMG I hope not. Hope you are all doing well.

    • Lisa M
      05/28/2013 at 8:55 pm

      I am! Maybe we should start a support group to help us ease back into our everyday lives!

      • dpforjodi
        05/28/2013 at 9:03 pm

        maybe we can get a deal. I can think of 2 mental health providers that may be needing work.

      • Lisa M
        05/28/2013 at 11:39 pm

        Noooo…! Well I kind of do have PTSD after this trial and I do feel I’ve been mentally abused so maybe (?)

    • 05/28/2013 at 8:57 pm

      Oh yes. I came in mid-JA testiphony. I do what I absolutely must do. Can’t seem to break umbilical cord to the iPad. Sneak a peek in the middle of the night on CFJ. I emotionally can’t get involved till I see justice here. I’ve become more aware of our criminal system and all its good and bad. I’ve learned thanks to all of you and still learning. Most of all thank you to Donchais.

      • dpforjodi
        05/28/2013 at 9:06 pm

        if you hit on reply and scroll down a reply box comes up then hit reply

  55. 05/28/2013 at 9:00 pm

    BG58 Heygirl I think what you were alluding to in your post to me was when HJ asked me about the Brewer interview.. I gave only a partial answer.. not one that covered the insights into the dynamic of the relationship itself.. I said I would save it for another time. Then HJ and I had a ‘nutshell’ discussion on it so I didn’t follow up.
    Let me know if you want that and I will post accordingly.

    Above posted from previous page. Most definitely I would appreciate your expansion on the above. Look forward to it.

    • 05/29/2013 at 3:28 am

      Syn sorry this was directed to you, in reply to you.

  56. 05/28/2013 at 9:02 pm

    How can one view responses to a post, mine? I see a bubble at the top for notifications. There are a few listed there but they Are from aprox 25 days ago and I know there are recent ones. Tx

    • dpforjodi
      05/28/2013 at 9:09 pm

      see my post upstairs. I feel like I need rehab.

    • 05/28/2013 at 11:17 pm

      Sorry ifi wasn’t clear. I’m trying to see if there’s a way I can see if anyone has responded to any of my posts without scrolling thu all the posts. Tx

  57. 05/28/2013 at 9:10 pm

    Well, hello

    • dpforjodi
      05/28/2013 at 9:15 pm

      hello Captain Bubble
      HLN Dr drew the jurors are on now

  58. 05/28/2013 at 9:25 pm

    Knock knock,
    who’s there?
    Jodi Arias.
    Jodi Arias who?
    We have a juror.

    • dpforjodi
      05/28/2013 at 9:29 pm

      very funny thanks for the chuckle

    • 05/28/2013 at 10:47 pm

      LMAO! good one Bubbs! 😛

  59. nyccowgirl
    05/28/2013 at 9:36 pm

    for those not able to get HLN:

    Jurors 6 and 17 re: the non DP folks – they actually believed the mitigating outweighed the aggravator. Some has to do what she can do in the future (seems they bought into the recycling program) and her age and lack of criminal record. The biggest though was that they thought she had been abused in some form, and pointed to the texts as evidence. Based on jury instructions, they took it as identifying their own mitigators so the abuse was a big factor for the 4 ‘holdouts’. Juror 17 cried that she wasn’t on the final panel as she thought she could have possibly swayed a few based on her take of it all.

    Juror 6 has not seen the interrogation tapes yet but 17 has seen some. wobo’s statement was disingenuous, not accepting responsibility and ‘all about jodi’. 6 said she didn’t believe a thing. they all noticed her coloring. juror 17 would have stare downs with wobo and then wobo would start writing things down so 17 thought wobo was trying to kick her off.

    lala knew her stuff but not an expert witness – more advocate. she got confused easily. They said foreman did not sway others – they were individual choices and no swaying by anyone. they felt that if interrogation videos of parents came in, they would have been significant in coming to unanimous conclusion on sentencing, as well as some of the info about stalking. wobo’s interview after guilty verdict was perceived as more manipulation and all about wobo.

    *commercial break*

    • nyccowgirl
      05/28/2013 at 10:47 pm

      another juror (10 – alternate) said she had a stare down with wobo during a sidebar for a good 40 seconds. she is on a different hln show.

    • 05/28/2013 at 10:52 pm

      weird that first part contradicts what I saw Diane say on I think it was az central to chris williams and also what I saw Tara tweet. So I’m confused now. Will have to hope this goes onto the website.

    • nyccowgirl
      05/28/2013 at 11:06 pm

      hi syn – in case what i wrote was confusing (i suck at court reporting)…

      they both are for dp (so not sure if that is what you believe is the contradiction). they were just addressing a question re: whether the 4 people not for dp were basing it on anything in particular or whether they really just were against dp. the above were their responses re: that those 4 thought the mitigators outweighed the aggravator.

      • 05/28/2013 at 11:10 pm

        kk now that makes sense.. and ties in with the work in progress pieces of the Foreman spoke for the 4 who voted his way. More and more interesting and more and more annoying the jury pool had shrunk seemingly resulting in the odds being in Jodi’s favour.

        Thanks for posting the report by the way .

      • Lisa M
        05/28/2013 at 11:37 pm

        Hard to believe since there really weren’t any mitigators!

      • dpforjodi
        05/29/2013 at 7:24 am

        you are a great court reporter, I think if our Donchais goes on holiday, she should hire you.

      • LRC
        05/29/2013 at 4:28 pm

        I think you have the mitagator/aggravator statement backwards which might be leading to some confusion. They said that the aggravators clearly outweighed the mitigators; ie: she had no mitigating factors so they could very easily vote for DP.

    • Lisa M
      05/28/2013 at 11:32 pm

      Thanks cowgirl!

    • MMD
      05/29/2013 at 4:30 pm

      Thank you so much nyc. 😀 I didn’t watch any HLN, or tv at all for that matter, last night so I really appreciate your report. I was really hoping that someone would post all the interviews but this was just as good and I didn’t have to listen to any yelling 😉

  60. Anna
    05/28/2013 at 9:46 pm

    Robert not in Rotterdam, I’m glad to hear from you from the other sandbox. What state are you in, if it’s not too personal…lol

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/28/2013 at 11:37 pm

      Hi Anna! Am in California now. Dec& Jan in NY/NJ.Holland till recently. Hope to be in Dallas in November.

      • Anna
        05/29/2013 at 8:39 am

        Well my goodness Roberto, you do get around! lol How’s da weather on the west coast? Dallas should be cooler by November but you just never know these daze….cheers man! 🙂

  61. 05/28/2013 at 9:51 pm

    ringadingding :
    This in reply to Syn’s Spider and the Mall from somewhere upstairs…….

    I wonder how much of his childhood, where survival probably meant ignoring a lot of spiders, played into that decision-making process. Boy, did Jodi have him marked but good.

    Ringading.. I have a similarity in my childhood cultural situation growing up but it is confined to only one part of his and it is an interesting comparison and one worth considering.

    I did not have the ‘survival’ you allude to so I can rule that out in my situation I had quite the opposite in that respect BUT I lived among people very good people who were less fortunate, in need and I developed a deep empathy wanting to reach out to them and help them. It was something I developed way beyond my years the very first time it embarrassed my parents I was 5 years old.. the next time I was about 7.

    So I had that part too and I reacted exactly as he did when I had to deal with Doofus. I had a markedly different cultural and socio-economic background. I do think he and I were similar in believing everyone should be given a chance and stood up for.

    There isn’t necessarily the case. I learnt that as did he. These spiders take your innocence and throw it back in your face. Fortunately the one difference is I’m here to teach others about it. I have used it to understand it. Travis never got that chance.

    It is so hard to accept these people are really what you think they are. It’s very hard to believe the person you thought was your soulmate at one stage has turned out to be a psychopath/sociopath and the person you so crave and love deeply never actually existed.

    Physically they are in front of you or there you are reading something from them – yet it’s not them. It’s not the person you thought it was, not even close. It’s hard to split the two things in your head and you HAVE to learn to do to even start recovering.

    It’s easy when you don’t have the emotional entanglement or history but when you truly loved the apparition it’s not easy to keep putting the spider out especially when it comes back pulling sad faces and promising change. About now their threats and veiled threats of suicide have worn thin so they no longer use it but you still have the psychological and emotional scars from it – it’s all been deliberate emotional blackmail to get you to the point you are – in turmoil and feeling totally disempowered and enslaved by their unrelenting, covert, insidious control.

    It takes an awful lot to make the leap to believing that person is capable of killing you, believe me. It takes a lot to throw that pariah out of your life because they have deliberately MADE you feel that way. You always think you are wrong and over-reacting and you end up going to the mall until finally the spider crawls over you and you see that red stripe on it’s back and you KNOW you have to get rid of it. But so so often it doesn’t happen til it’s too late.

    There are many sites on the net trying to help victims of these spiders come to terms with their encounters. So many never get over it and those that do it often takes at the very least close to a decade and that is no exaggeration. The victims of these spiders are often very smart, caring people guilty of nothing ore than giving someone a chance and hoping they can help them.

    It’s so hard to explain to someone who has never been in that situation because intellectually it seems so simple. I have now been in both those places and I can tell you, now I have the experience it is a VERY different perspective than I had previously. I always say as horrible as it was I feel it was ‘meant’ to happen to me – for so many reasons but I would NEVER repeat it given the option I would prefer to have lived my life without it..

    • ringadingding
      05/29/2013 at 12:27 am

      Thank you, Syn. This is powerfully written and perfectly captures the dynamic between someone like Travis and his spider (as well as you and yours). I’ve had my own, less lethal, spiders, so it’s not so foreign that it’s beyond my grasp, but it’s still a struggle to get inside it. If you haven’t already thought to do so, this would make a dynamite topic for a book.

  62. nyccowgirl
    05/28/2013 at 9:52 pm

    survivor tshirt – already convicted that jury did not believe she was abused so they were confused as to the point of it.

    when wobo first took stand, there was a little doubt but that all changed soon after when she kept talking.

    one of the jurors asked about BPD and whether the behavioral bureau agreed with demarte. they said yes but that towards the end of the trial, they thought it was BPD + psychopathy. she is textbook BPD but was was textbook psychopathy during the murder. one of the experts noted that she is one of the most dangerous person she thinks is out there as she’s cloaked in a little girl persona. she noted that BPD is usually not associated with murderers as they are usually more dangerous to themselves but that is why psychopathy kicks in.

  63. 05/28/2013 at 10:18 pm

    Found as a comment on an Arias related post elsewhere on the web.

    Seriously.. if I was this person I would NOT be using my middle initial!

    Linda C Hunt

    • dpforjodi
      05/29/2013 at 7:27 am

      must be Mike Hunt’s sister

      • 05/29/2013 at 12:59 pm

        LOL!!!!!

  64. nyccowgirl
    05/28/2013 at 11:11 pm

    i think someone had mentioned this before but i didn’t see the original picture. this is the uncropped version of one of the pictures she showed during her statement that may have shown drugs.

    • 05/28/2013 at 11:20 pm

      lol… I wish that foreman could see this and have an expert tell him what he is looking at.. I bet it would make him rethink double quick. I have a feeling this would have swayed him the other way especially her using the pic in her final presentation justifying her mitigating circumstances.

      Oh how she must be laughing… always an ulterior motive, always an agenda, always playing games to amuse herself.

      • Lisa M
        05/28/2013 at 11:34 pm

        Yeah, laughing alone in her cell

      • 05/28/2013 at 11:39 pm

        she’s hedonistic it’s the pre-planning and the momentary rush she gets the most out of.

        Good thing is hedonists hate pain and consequences.. so once back in her cell alone.. the pleasure of her little games wears off quickly. Which is why she needs to stay in 23/7 and have no makee-up and camera in sight!

      • 05/28/2013 at 11:40 pm

        so why she has to continue her game endlessly and always looking for others to play. More reason to keep her in 23/7 no contact lockdown!

    • 05/28/2013 at 11:34 pm

      anyone have a link to the cropped version she used?

      • Moon
        05/28/2013 at 11:55 pm

        here’s a you tube.. it’s about 11:57 in to this

      • Moon
        05/28/2013 at 11:57 pm

        ahhh jeez ss i was hoping to just put link up, not that fugly mug of hers! 👿

      • 05/29/2013 at 12:01 am

        worked perfectly thanks.. paused it on the pic so I could scroll up and down and view both for the comparison! 😀 ty

  65. Moon
    05/28/2013 at 11:40 pm

    I really wish those jurors would have vowed to stay quiet until the next phase is complete! All they are doing is informing the duhfense what to use next time! more on the abuse and she needs to show remorse.
    Is that even possible for her?

    • 05/28/2013 at 11:43 pm

      probably not.. I think we have seen her remorse and she doesn’t pull it off well thank god. YOu would think after 5 years she would have mastered it considering almost all of the 5 years has been in jail where she has had heaps of time to practice it!!!

      Oh by the way.. it’s May 28 – 5 years ago today she staged the burglary to get the gun.

      • Moon
        05/28/2013 at 11:46 pm

        i sure hope she doesn’t “learn” it by next phase!

        creepy thinking of that burglary.

  66. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/28/2013 at 11:41 pm

    Came across an article that the foreman’s son maybe sent to his father during the trial to help the old guy out. Immanuel Kant’s “On the Saying, ‘That may be right in theory but has no value in practice'” (1793)

    • 05/28/2013 at 11:46 pm

      think he should have included a timely reminder: “there’s a sucker born every minute”

      • 05/28/2013 at 11:47 pm

        oh hang on… isn’t foreman Billy-bob a car salesman? You’d think he’d have been fully conversant with that one.. scary really when you think about that one!

  67. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/28/2013 at 11:45 pm

    Also was reading legal theorist John Rawls today.He speaks of the principle inherent in a “promise to follow the rules” and explains how although it might seem “better” to have 4 strikes instead of 3 in a baseball game, the rules are such that one can’t interject hisown view on the matter.

  68. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/28/2013 at 11:52 pm

    One school of thought is “utilitarian” when dispensing justice; there is a balancing of particulars within the broader charge; the other is a “fair justice” system that accepts the overriding principle that was established by certain “rules” and structural thought. Justice is not a micro-process focused on one item but a macro-process that that seeks to equate actions and punishment.

  69. 05/28/2013 at 11:53 pm

    Moon :
    i sure hope she doesn’t “learn” it by next phase!
    creepy thinking of that burglary.

    ya me too.. not much chance of it.. remember the interview clip on Mickee D’s latest vid? Where she says (paraphrasing) “Oh I thought I said I was sorry? Oh I didn’t .. well not much point anyhow.. doesn’t seem enough and nobody believes me anyhow” 😯

    Thinking she really doesn’t do well at pulling remorse off thankfully!! As you say.. let’s hope it stays that way.

    • Lisa M
      05/29/2013 at 1:33 am

      Syntara speaking of Mikee D’s latest video I just watched it. It really is uncanny how similar Jodi’s current interviews are to the ones she did five years ago. The pure glee she demonstrates in front of the camera is chilling. When she spars with that “hater” reporter she gets stumped so many times but she clearly believes that if she stays calm and carries on with a smile on her face everyone will believe whatever she says. How can she not know how uncredible she is? I mean to go from one interview a week earlier where she resolutely says with as much conviction as she can muster that she wants the death penalty and then to say “I don’t believe in capital punishment” a week later is so laughable– I loved Mikee’s laugh track. She was stumped by several of his questions and she was clearly grasping for straws so many times but she just carries on. The only time she lost her composure was when she called him a hater, but she must have realized she couldn’t go off like that so soon after she had a smile on her face again. Doesn’t she have enough intelligence to realize how inconsistent she appears? Is she like a diva who only has sycophants around her telling her how great she is no and shielding her from critics? Except for her its just Donovan and her twitter followers. I mean she obviously lives in a bubble. I know we decided early on she’s not nearly as smart as she thinks — shes no Jodistein– but I still can’t get over the amazingly high self-esteem she has — or the ability she has to delude herself that she’s won when she hasn’t. The next day in court she was still giddy from the afterglow so she must have thought she had done an amazing job and had changed all public perception of her, or maybe she could care less what the public thinks and it was just that wearing makeup gives her a high that lasts for days, but I still can’t quite get my head around how unbelievably shallow and yet evil she is. Too bad she couldn’t have just been satisfied with focusing all of her attention on her looks. She could have become a personal trainer or a model or something that would allow her to be vain 24/7 and could have sublimated (is that the right word?) her violent nature. But maybe you’ll tell me that even her vanity is a ruse to hide the evil inside!

      • Lisa M
        05/29/2013 at 1:42 am

        No offense intended towards models or personal trainers. 😊

      • Jill
        05/29/2013 at 1:53 am

        Great writing, Lisa! I especially like the ” … Or maybe she could care less what the public thinks and it was just that wearing makeup gives her a high that lasts for days.”

  70. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/29/2013 at 12:01 am

    It seems me that the “qualifying for a death panel” should include the basic understanding of what is required when following the rules. It leaves no place for “utilitarian” thinking; it says “this” shall be weighed against “that” to come to a decision. The jury set a very low standard for what “balances out” the cruelty shown.

    Although its never acknowledged, “jury nullification” is alive and well. In some cases, jurors think “they shouldn’t have been prosecuted for that” or “they shouldn’t get the DP for that.”
    This was a form of nullification I think. I think a 30 year old Afro or Latino male with a mohawk and a pierced nose would not have had 4 votes saying there was “mitigation” to the act. Therefore, I dont think this jury fulfilled its duty. Its duty was to come to a consensus. It did it on guilt and aggravating factor. It punyed when it came time to make final call.

    • 05/29/2013 at 12:13 am

      exactly.. and I think this is where that foreman lead some of those jurors astray. When you listen to what he says.. and you weigh up that he was the foreman.. it is very easy to see how it may have gone down.

      Almost like he deliberately interpreted the mitigation phase to manoevre things the way he wanted them. I just wish the other 3 would stand up.. if they mirror his words then I just even more wish Juror 8 had been there and gained the foreman positioin I have a feeling we would have had a DP verdict .. or if 18 had come out instead of 17… who knows but I just feel it in my bones that the foreman had a huge role in the “no verdict” verdict. I get the feeling he discouraged robust discussion because it suited his agenda to do so.

      Need those other three to speak out. As I said in my initial piece.. I too believe if the defendant had been male that foreman at least would have had no hesitation in voiting DP so to me that indicates his real mitigating factor was her looks and stature and I have no doubt she counted on that very thing.

      • Jay
        05/29/2013 at 1:29 am

        The foreman didn’t lead anybody astray.
        Where do you come up with this nonsense?
        One of the deliberating jurors was on the Dr Drew show tonight.
        She specifically said the foreman didn’t attempt to sway ANYBODY.
        He didn’t have any influence on the others. Or try to.
        The same goes for the others who didn’t vote for the death penalty.
        You and the others on this blog who have defamed and insulted and disparaged him have acted shamefully.

        Because of you and people like you making those outlandish assertions, encouraging a disparaging climate of hate, the foreman has been receiving death threats, a mindset you and the others here have promulgated. His son also has been receiving threats on his blog for defending his father.

        Feeling good about that Robert, with your own equally distasteful comments above?

    • Lisa M
      05/29/2013 at 1:36 am

      I agree 100%!

      • Lisa M
        05/29/2013 at 1:38 am

        Let me just clarify: I agree with what Robert posted above about jury nullification.

  71. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/29/2013 at 12:12 am

    “..we have the institution of punishment itself, and recommend and accept various changes in it, because it is thought by the (ideal) legislator and by those to whom the law applies that, as a part of a system of law impartially applied from case to case arising under it, will have the consequence, in the long run, of furtheringthe interests of society” (Rawls)

  72. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/29/2013 at 12:21 am

    It dawned on me today that one of the reasons the picture of the jurors raising their hands for death bothered me, was that the jury didnt make the call it should have. It should have reached a consensus. The only times a hung jury makes sense is of guilt. Its either proven or not and some disagree. But the penalty phase is merely the result of what transpired. I mean every day people STOOD for the jury. THEY were the deciders of fact. THEY would pronounce the verdict of guilt or not and the penalty. THEY deserved respect for their JOB. The Judge and Detectives and Prosecutor did their jobs (I dunno about Miss Mitigation), why not the jury do theirs? I think the failure to reach consensus on death should mean no death. Dragging in another group seems vindictive and seems like a “second chance” for the State.

    • ringadingding
      05/29/2013 at 12:44 am

      Yes. Yes. Yes. They did not push through to do the job. The entire process–not just these four or five months, but the years of hard work–was for them to arrive at a verdict and penalty. I wonder if all those months they spent together, under what I would consider pretty harsh emotional conditions (to hear and see all that they did and not be able to discuss it or react in front of anyone), if that formed some sort of bond that prevented a heated deliberation when it came to the penalty phase. It was interesting to hear the one juror on Dr. Drew who voted for DP say that the minority decided things for the jury when it came to the penalty phase.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 12:59 am

        It seems to me that with 4 votes – for whatever reasons – against the DP- then the discussion should have been to bring the 8 to the 4 (or vice versa). THEY were the ones who had been there the whole time; THEY should have come to a consensus. The Judge was there the whole time also–, so why not give it to her if she had a role after them? Is the desire for death stronger than the desire for justice? I just think its a terrible statement on the role of juries if we allow them to say “hell with it” after so much time has been spent.
        Hell with it on guilt, okay. But on punishment? To close out the case? Can’t see it. An umpire has to call balls and strikes. Even during a no hitter or perfect game. May have to make a difficult call- but as Willy Loman said “it goes with the territory”

      • Jay
        05/29/2013 at 1:36 am

        Your misquoting the juror out of context.
        Go back and listen to the question she was answering.

      • Lisa M
        05/29/2013 at 1:50 am

        But shouldn’t some responsibility be given to the judiciary for having a no unanimous verdict verdict? I mean, why have that as an official choice? If they didn’t and the jury would have to completely own the fact that it means a mistrial maybe they’d have more motivation to compromise OR if they had the concrete choice for LWOP (like we’ve discussed before) the 8 who voted DP might have been willing to make that compromise.

      • 05/29/2013 at 11:25 pm

        I think the jury should be required to come to a decision… you decide or that seat you are sitting in will fry your sad ass and then we’ll consider you voted… I am frustrated with a jury that opted out of taking the facts which THEY ALREADY DETERMINED TO BE TRUE and then apply a punishment for those same facts. Geesh.

  73. Moon
    05/29/2013 at 12:32 am

    just watched that mickey d vid…

    I would love it if Juan could use that comment for next jury about how she would be ok if let out UNLESS someone abuses her!

    • 05/29/2013 at 12:40 am

      particularly in view of what she did to Travis and her perceived ‘abuse’ was every day life in a relationship. She just viewed it as ‘abusive’ because he didn’t want her bat shit crazy arse around him!

      So if that’s her idea of ‘abuse’.. gawd help anyone who ever comes into contact with her who calls her out on anything or ‘scrambles’ her brain.

      by the way Moon… did you collect your GD?

      • Moon
        05/29/2013 at 12:44 am

        I did indeed, thanks for asking! She is sounding sleeping, and so I am off to bed too! enjoy your day 🙂

  74. ringadingding
    05/29/2013 at 12:38 am

    I know that others disagreed, but I always believed that JA was taking notes on the jury and working out how she and her team could get them off. The alternate on Dr. Drew strengthened my belief even more when she related her stare downs with Jodi, after which the defendant would start writing. Does anyone know how alternates and jurors were selected? Was it a negotiated list between the DT and Prosecution, or did the judge judge just randomly select the final jury that would deliberate?

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/29/2013 at 12:44 am

      she picked out of a hat

      • ringadingding
        05/29/2013 at 12:46 am

        Oh. For a minute, I thought you wrote that she picked them out of her ass.

    • 05/29/2013 at 12:57 am

      I agree.. summing people up and reading their sympathies is her forte. It is a pre-requisite talent for a master manipulator. Which is why Jodi didn’t need a mitigation specialist that is definitely one area she would have been more than qualified in.

      It’s a talent she has honed since she first became cognisant. You have to be able to scan people accurately to be able to manipulate them.

      • 05/29/2013 at 1:00 am

        OOps what I was commenting on was her making notes about the jury.. not that she had any influence over the alternates.. but what happened was.. because the field was narrowed by 3 and at least 2 of those 3 seemed to have been to her advantage….. the defense made the odds way better they would get at least one of their favourites on the final 12.

  75. Chrissie A
    05/29/2013 at 12:51 am

    Ooops in moderation, sorry Donchais 😦

  76. 05/29/2013 at 1:01 am

    ringadingding :
    Oh. For a minute, I thought you wrote that she picked them out of her ass.

    LMAO!!! niiiiiice if it was out of Jodi’s that could have taken quite some time! 😛

  77. 05/29/2013 at 1:03 am

    Was looking at the police interogation video #4 to hear about her kicking her dog. .At about 24:00 minutes right after her dog statement Flores asked her if she had anger issues or was she on any meds. she said no but that she had a nervous breakdown, caused by “a guy she bought a house with”, who was taunting her.. Was this Darryl Brewer?

    • 05/29/2013 at 1:07 am

      yes and that should have been a warning sign to Daryl of what she was capable of.. especially considering he seems to have kow-towed to her throughout that whole relationship.. plus I would translate her ‘nervous breakdown” as “scrambled brain” because he actually confronted her about something for a change.

    • Chrissie A
      05/29/2013 at 1:10 am

      The Stabs gets a visitor – Bit over the top? (No Pun intended – lol )

      • Lisa M
        05/29/2013 at 2:30 am

        Is that what I think it is Chrissie? A bit hard to make out but I think I get the gist. 😊

      • Chrissie A
        05/29/2013 at 2:41 am

        Yep, DoggieBoy is giving it to her where she likes it best:-)

      • Lisa M
        05/29/2013 at 3:05 am

        Oh, DoggieBoy’s haunting visit!!! ROFLMAO! That is so funny!

      • Chrissie A
        05/29/2013 at 3:10 am

        🙂

      • 05/29/2013 at 3:23 am

        Einstein on doggy’s head…

      • Chrissie A
        05/29/2013 at 3:42 am

        Nice catch Brightgirl – you live up to your name 😛

      • Tracey A
        05/29/2013 at 3:55 am

        OMFG!!!!! ROFLAMO!!!! Doggie Boy has come back to exact his revenge! Go get her Doggie Boy!!!!! OMG!!! The tears are streaming now. Thanks for a much needed laugh! WOW! Can barely see my screen at the moment….I need to breathe! Another Chrissie gem!!!!!!

      • Chrissie A
        05/29/2013 at 4:03 am

        😛

      • 05/29/2013 at 10:13 am

        Tx for the compliment but I’m far from it in comparison to those here. My handle/moniker is related to my location. Btw I love reading your posts.

    • Lisa M
      05/29/2013 at 2:00 am

      Did she admit to kicking her dog in that video? I didn’t realize she was the source of that info. I thought it came from someone else. That just reminded me of the former coworker who said Jodi had left a cat that she was supposed to be taking care of alone for two weeks and shd had a blase attitude about it. I had forgotten about that!

      • Chrissie A
        05/29/2013 at 2:09 am

        Ye she did admit to kicking the dog Lisa – plus it was never seen again – Hence DoggieBoys haunting visit :- ) Didn’t hear about the cats though, but it comes as so surprise 🙂

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 2:53 am

        and remember–dogs KNOW whether they have been “kicked” on purpose or by accident

    • GN5020
      05/29/2013 at 9:09 am

      I didn’t catch that, but if it was in the interrogation videos, why didn’t JM use that to show that she had a history of issues with men in close relationships? If Darryl is a witness in the retrial, I hope this is played for the jury and JM asks LOTS of questions about how he taunted and “abused” poor Jodi to the point of a nervous breakdown.

  78. Jay
    05/29/2013 at 1:41 am

    Enough is enough..
    Out, out dammed blog….
    (Fini)

    • Lisa M
      05/29/2013 at 1:54 am

      Jay why do you have to be like that? I posted earlier some agreement with what u said. I didn’t take umbrage with the son defending his father and I don’t think anybody should ever make it personal to the point of vitriol. I just worded my thoughts a little more kindly than you did yours.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/29/2013 at 2:30 am

      good riddance

  79. Family of Law
    05/29/2013 at 2:00 am

    For Syn and those who do not get HLN (Dr. Drew) here is tonight’s broadcast with Juror #17 Tara Kelly/ alternate and Diane Schwartz juror #6

    • Family of Law
      05/29/2013 at 3:07 am

      Is this video playable for anyone? I’m having trouble on my iPad (crashing everytime I hit play?)

      • 05/29/2013 at 2:58 pm

        yes thanks FoL… and do you notice how they say in this the BPD could have been used to effectively argue down to at least murder 2?
        I really STILL don’t like that ‘partial’ diagnosis.. and I loved Dr Drew’s *dripping with sarcasm* remark “a sprinkling of psychopathy” yah a sprinkling… nudge nudge wink wink. 😆

        Not finished it yet have to go get some zzzzzz’s but have bookmarked it to watch in its entirely ‘tomorrow’.

        Thanks so much for looking after me 😀

  80. 05/29/2013 at 2:02 am

    | #424 Quote
    One of my BFFs and I were talking yesterday… she only hears about the trial through our local news and my rants! I was telling her how the foreman said he believed the ho was verbally and emotionally abused.
    Her reply: well aren’t all woman at some point verbally and emotionally abused.

    Moon- I had said many threads back that most of us have had (or alot of us) arguments or fights with our significant other at one time or another. We have said mean and nasty things out of anger and we hurt emotionally ..does that mean we are all abused or that we abuse others? These are things that are part of a relationship. It happens from time to time. As for Wormhole and willnuts…they claim it wasn’t normal for Travis to fight with her and verbalize his anger with her, then, the next day he’s saying,I love you,I’m sorry, blah blah blah. They said it confuses Jodi and that he’s contradicting his feelings towards her. Ummmmm, when we have a fight/ argument with our s.o., do we not make up the next day? Isn’t this what people do? We don’t slaughter our loves! Travis made an effort to make up with her. Isn’t that a good thing? Only difference with their fights is that the after the final fight, he didn’t make up with her the next day. He finally put his foot down and unfortunately it cost him his life. He was damned either way. So,with all that being said, I know what your bff meant. She’s right.. 🙂

    • Lisa M
      05/29/2013 at 2:23 am

      Yes and undoubtedly Jodi was manipulating him to feel guilty about the “names” he called her so then he’d express love towards her.

  81. Lisa M
    05/29/2013 at 2:21 am

    From Syntara’s earlier post:
    “After the guilty first degree verdict, when she spoke of the jury “betraying” her, she could have spoken directly to him (the foreman) and any others like him.”
    Good point! She would probably assume the jury watched media coverage even though they weren’t supposed to. After all, she never follows the rules, so why would she assume other people do?

    • Lisa M
      05/29/2013 at 2:27 am

      And she had that obsessive interest in trying to figure out who the foreman was. Remember when the verdict came in and all she cared about was who the foreman was. She couldn’t keep her wheels from turning even at that crucial moment. She was still trying to figure out who she should focus her attention on. She asked Wilmott twice and Wilmott shrugged as if even she couldn’t believe that at that moment her client was asking a question like that.

  82. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/29/2013 at 2:28 am

    Jay :

    p>Because of you and people like you making those outlandish assertions, encouraging a disparaging climate of hate, the foreman has been receiving death threats, a mindset you and the others here have promulgated. His son also has been receiving threats on his blog for defending his father.
    Feeling good about that Robert, with your own equally distasteful comments above?

    I feel fine Jay. I dont feel an once of guilt, au contraire, I think the foreman ought to,for the reasons I listed earlier as well as his his incriminating statements upon being interviewed.

    They deliberated on the guilt and punted on the penalty.You can pop in, and hit and run, and throw a stick at us if you like; you can also defend the father/son media Batman and Robin; but you can’t expect to be greeted as a wise old philosopher who knows the ways of the world more than those of us here who have followed the case. Try your nanny stuff elsewhere; it doesnt play here. I find your hit ‘n run distasteful.

    I’ll stick with what I placed up earlier–the son wanted to step out into the public arena, and for sentimental reasons, “defend” his father. Everyone likes the dad who fishes and plays ball. The Dad who starts giving interviews when he is uninformed about his role in a public trial is a bit different than the dad who throws a ball around with his kid. And please, the “death threats” of Patti Pothead and Son of Foreman read like bad excuses from the book of cliches.

  83. nyccowgirl
    05/29/2013 at 2:33 am

    can’t we all play nice in the sandbox and just agree to disagree? there’s only one goal – justice for travis.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/29/2013 at 2:44 am

      We play fine in the sandbox. We dont like bullies who run by and kick sand in our faces, that’s all. Have an opinion -even better give a reason for an opinion. But when someone starts down the road of ad hominem attacks because he doesnt like what opinions have been stated, then he can take a shortcut away from the sandbox and go over to the sewer plant where it fits.

    • Lisa M
      05/29/2013 at 2:58 am

      Well at least he threw in a funny Shakespeare reference as he flew away. 😊

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 3:03 am

        well, more like half a Shakespeare reference

      • Lisa M
        05/29/2013 at 3:07 am

        True that, Robert.

  84. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/29/2013 at 2:40 am

    I mean who the fuck does this Jay think he is? I remember awhile back when I left a comment about Joseph Smith. I wanted to reach out to Mormons on the site or maybe those who hadnt heard anything about him. I had read his bio and some other writings and wanted to share a thought. In comes SuperJay with his cape telling me I “ought” to read more about the guy before posting. Who died and made this guy King of the Hill?

    • Lisa M
      05/29/2013 at 3:00 am

      Maybe he runs around hitting and running through other blogs. Don’t let it get to you. He was probably having a bad day and needed someone to take it out on.

      • 05/29/2013 at 3:08 am

        Guys, can you pass the shovel? I like the pink one please…I have some poo to clean up in the sandbox. 😉

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 3:44 am

        Its an old habit of mine–nurtured in New York City, fine-tuned at university, and activated since, in Europe and America .I don’t like the bully. I generally take on the bully.I usually find the bully runs away. A bully tactic is the hit ‘n run, not the extended engagement. Another ploy is the idea of “shaming” others, as if their opinions are somehow “dirty” or “unworthy” of the great Oz of Inquiry.

        When appropriate I have used the US courts – I am litigious and have been involved in a dozen lawsuits, prevailing in most. In classrooms ,or “sandboxes,” I try and keep to a Socratic frame of reference – to encourage expression, and the reasons for expression. Most people here, participate in this endeavor.

        I don’t mind disagreement; I don’t mind being corrected if an error was made. I do mind being talked down to, or being chastised by anyone who uses it as a tactic of one-up-man-ship.

      • janeto
        05/29/2013 at 12:49 pm

        You go Robert!!! There is a big difference in being rude about comments & degrading others . I for one noticed a long time ago for his hit n run kicking sand in faces. I know whenever I read certain posts, I can always guess who wrote it without looking. I agree with you on the bully!! Love ya!

    • Tracey A
      05/29/2013 at 5:37 am

      Interesting Observation here Robert!!! I miss Observer posts here. She was a practicing Mormon. And had definite insights into the Church. But someone here had to keep persisting with things that went outside of the Church and I’m very afraid have run Observer off. WITHOUT CAUSE! And frankly, I’m offended by that. She was a very astute poster. And was very entitled to her opinions. I’m so very sorry that she is gone and hope she will one day return. Her absence is solidly felt here. I have your back Observer should you decide to come back. I miss your knowledge here. Don’t be worried. Just jump back in…please!!!

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 8:33 pm

        100% with you on this. I posted a few times how much I liked the clarity and information of her posts. Loved that she was a mother of 8 and a grandmother of 3 times that. She never “played” the age card or the “AZ” card or the “Mormon” card. She was a straight shooter and easily able to mix and mingle in the sandbox amongst all ages and temperaments. Never “nanny-like” in her comments.

    • ringadingding
      05/29/2013 at 9:48 am

      Some people are insufferable that way, telling others what they really mean, giving orders and taking off. I ignore that kind. They are not worth the energy. That said, I appreciate your cleaning up the sandbox, Robert.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 8:35 pm

        its a rotten job, but somebody has to do it..

  85. Chrissie A
    05/29/2013 at 2:50 am

    Juror #10 HLN footage if you haven’t seen it:

    http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/05/28/jvm-arias-juror-speaks

    • Family of Law
      05/29/2013 at 3:05 am

      The “stare down” was pretty wild… I may have soiled myself had I been juror 10.

  86. Lisa M
    05/29/2013 at 2:54 am

    You know what I would love someone to ask these jurors? If they were offended by Nurmi and his hammering away at Travis– all the 3-hole wonder stuff. I’ve heard them asked what they thought of Juan. But the real question is: how did you withstand Nurmi’s objectionable rhetoric for all those months?

    • Lisa M
      05/29/2013 at 3:01 am

      And that of course is putting it mildly. 😊

    • Chrissie A
      05/29/2013 at 3:18 am

      It was all a strategy to appeal to the male jurors Lisa M – that is why Wendy Murphy’s recent article is so important to read, it was posted up above by RunaroundMom and I reposted but it is in moderation 🙂

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 3:22 am

        yes I liked that article as well. insightful.(she’s a better writer of essays than of books)

  87. 05/29/2013 at 3:03 am

    I have a couple of questions:

    With all the the horrible websites out there smearing the Alexanders and their poor deceased brother, is there any way they can sue these websites for slander? I mean celebrities sue magazines and newspapers for false rumors It’sand succeed. It’s DISGUSTING what this family has to continue to go thru after what they have been thru! The s.o.b. who said the Alexanders are pocketing all this money donated to them and that they are benefiting off Travis’ death are sick and boy is that the pot calling the kettle black…as Jodi sells her traced pictures for hundreds/thousands of dollars as well as her fabulously “designed” t-shirts (this ones for you Syn;) with all proceeds going to shelters that refuse to participate/accept in her bs DV fund. Oh, and let’s not forget the infamous Manifesto complete with autograph by Stabitha herself. If I recall correctly,there was a time when the Alexanders posted a nice thank you and saying they didn’t need anymore donations. (This was when the trial was almost done before the mistrial was declared). This was honest and humble of them. On the other hand, I firmly believe the Arias family would have collected money til the cows came home.

    Is Dr.Phil really having the Arias family on?? Please tell me this isn’t true. I will never ever watch his show again and I will send him a letter. How can he give this disrespectful, no cooth family a single penny or any more attention???? If anyone ahould be on his show it’s the Alexander’s. They have a real story to tell. They deserve the opportunity to share it (if they even choose to). AND, if anyone deserves a damn penny for travel expenses, its the Alexanders. Their are many people in their family that have to travel back and forth, as well as going home on the weekends to be with their spouses and children. I thought Dr. Phil had more claas than that. Instead he would rather pay for Sandy and twin so they can giggle and chat during the trial, grandma and her wheelchair “prop” and Angela and her husband’s trips to the Grand Canyon. What a mess. I’m sorry to the Dr. Phil fans…this just upsets me.

    Oh dear…I’m rambling again. My Apologies lol:)

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/29/2013 at 3:13 am

      remember–“Dr” Phil is an entertainer. He doesnt work as a psychologist. He works as a guy who uses some psychological terminology to “cure” patients within the hour(minus commercial breaks). He got his “big break” when he helped Oprah pick jury members in her TX trial. He is interested in ratings and commercial funding. If having the Arias family on will help his goal, he’ll do it. I wouldn’t transfer any great ideas of compassion or integrity or psychological deftness to him; I’d expect him to do whatever it takes to stay on the air.

    • Tracey A
      05/29/2013 at 4:33 am

      Stabitha!!!! LMAO!!! Brilliant Bailey!!! Love that name! Perfect!

    • Tracey A
      05/29/2013 at 4:37 am

      Bailey…when I first heard that Dr. Phil was supporting the Arias family I immediately deleted him from my Season Pass on TiVo. Besides, he was starting to get old anyways. Rehashing crap that didn’t fit into my life. Once I heard that I was done with him and gave him a few more minutes than he was entitled to. Just sayin’…

  88. Tracey A
    05/29/2013 at 3:50 am

    Just jumping in here..been a long long time but I saw this from a friend. This is a really good read and I loved the whole thing. I must admit I’m not always a Wendy Murphy fan but on this she hit it out of the ballpark. She says exactly what I have been thinking these past few weeks.

    Here’s how it begins…

    PORN DEFENSE AND SEXIST MANIPULATION STRATEGY WORKED FOR NOW, BUT JODI “HANNIBAL LECTER” ARIAS MIGHT NOT GET A SIMILARLY NAÏVE JURY THE NEXT TIME.

    http://wendymurphylaw.com/jodi-hannibal-lecter-arias/

    • Chrissie A
      05/29/2013 at 4:01 am

      Hey Trace!!!! Long time no hear – isn’t this a brilliant article? I just knew a lot of the crap that was going down was legal strategy!!! So sick of psyching the psycho out and giving her more power than she warrants! it was so much more that that! Hugs honey 🙂

      • Tracey A
        05/29/2013 at 4:17 am

        Hey Sunshine!!!!! Wow! Is it possible we are on at the same time??? Too funny! Missed ya Girl! Love the Wendy Murphy piece!!! She said exactly what I have been thinking all along. Incredible stuff!!!!!!

    • Lisa
      05/29/2013 at 12:25 pm

      Thanks Tracey! Great read. Just makes Nurmi even more depraved in my book if true. He certainly made the rest of us, who didn’t want a visual, suffer! (A caveat: As much as I love Wendy, she may want to be careful not to assume that his tactics worked. Could be perceived as reverse sexism.)

  89. Chrissie A
    05/29/2013 at 4:26 am

    Did they get a new dog now that Stabby is locked away?

    https://twitter.com/YEAIM_THATGIRL/status/339144720926261248/photo/1

    • Tracey A
      05/29/2013 at 4:28 am

      Sorry Honey! I can’t see this post. Not authorized to see it….maybe retweet???

    • Tracey A
      05/29/2013 at 4:30 am

      Perhaps, I’m on a “no fly list”??? That sound familiar to you in our not so distant past????

      • Chrissie A
        05/29/2013 at 4:34 am

        ~snort~ and you know I do that ~giggle~

    • Chrissie A
      05/29/2013 at 4:34 am

      Repost as Twit feed from pal was private:
      New Doggy now that Stabby is in lock up?

      • Tracey A
        05/29/2013 at 4:40 am

        OMG!!!! They got another dog??? Maybe they are truly relieved that she has disappeared and is in jail. If she were in my family, I would be totally relieved!!!

      • Chrissie A
        05/29/2013 at 4:51 am

        Agreed! So are probably glad to be shot of her, they’ve had to put up with her for years!!!! I’ll bet there is so much more than we know in that scenario 🙂

      • Chrissie A
        05/29/2013 at 5:09 am

        *They are so probably (typo gremlins)

      • 05/29/2013 at 10:26 am

        Hmmm is that “art” supplied by the great one herself?

      • Chrissie A
        05/29/2013 at 2:29 pm

        Egads! No sweets 🙂

      • Lisa M
        05/29/2013 at 11:49 am

        Love it!

  90. Chrissie A
    05/29/2013 at 5:20 am

    If they keep the date for 6/20/13 the pool & still cameras have been approved:

    • Lisa M
      05/29/2013 at 12:04 pm

      Where do you find this stuff Chrissie? Good detective work!

      • Chrissie A
        05/29/2013 at 2:33 pm

        Tx 🙂 Nancy B definitely has the handle for research on here, BTW where has she been the last couple of days – I miss her posts? 🙂

  91. Tracey A
    05/29/2013 at 5:53 am

    Robert exits Rotterdam :
    Its an old habit of mine–nurtured in New York City, fine-tuned at university, and activated since, in Europe and America .I don’t like the bully. I generally take on the bully.I usually find the bully runs away. A bully tactic is the hit ‘n run, not the extended engagement. Another ploy is the idea of “shaming” others, as if their opinions are somehow “dirty” or “unworthy” of the great Oz of Inquiry.
    When appropriate I have used the US courts – I am litigious and have been involved in a dozen lawsuits, prevailing in most. In classrooms ,or “sandboxes,” I try and keep to a Socratic frame of reference – to encourage expression, and the reasons for expression. Most people here, participate in this endeavor.
    I don’t mind disagreement; I don’t mind being corrected if an error was made. I do mind being talked down to, or being chastised by anyone who uses it as a tactic of one-up-man-ship.

    Even more interesting…I have been very litigious in US courts and have prevailed as well. More employment or, er, unemployment law and have been very successful against those people who have tried to “skate” through the system. That is almost impossible waters to navigate and yet I have been highly successful.

    Don’t get me wrong…unemployment is there for a reason. But if you are a “skater” and just show up to punch the timeclock, you are in the wrong business. I work hard, very hard, and put in long hours. I don’t expect everyone to do the same as me….but if you show up, you had best do your job!

    I hear ya Robert. Well said!

    • Tracey A
      05/29/2013 at 6:05 am

      Amen Bro!!!! And haven’t we had enough of some this shit for awhile??? And I’m not referring to Jay in particular. He had some good points, but his off points clearly dominated. Whoa! Take a pause for the cause! ***needing some breathing room***

  92. Anna
    05/29/2013 at 9:13 am

    And now for something completely different from daze of older:

  93. MMD
    05/29/2013 at 9:37 am

    Morning all. Didn’t watch HLN last night, computer will not start and is at repair shop and this one is not charging, even though it is plugged in.Damn. NOT HAVING A FUN DAY!!!! As soon as my cleaning lady gets back this is going to Site & Bites as well.

    Having a major freakout here since I am on my computer all day 😦 At the rate I am losing the charge I may shut down any minute. Anyway, I was so anxious to hear what the jurors had to say and to read all the comments. Can’t go a day without the peeps on here. 😦

    Have fun kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ********waves*********** as I leave totally depressed……………………..

    • Anna
      05/29/2013 at 9:46 am

      well sadness MMD….I’m comin’ up there to fix your computer now…leave the light on mmkay? Seriously, do you have another charger? That one might not like your computer….just sayin’ And Cheer Up….it ain’t all that bad! 😀

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/29/2013 at 11:40 am

      MMD! We ache for you! get Anna up there!

      • Anna
        05/29/2013 at 11:49 am

        good gravy, i’m on my way man….gimmie some time here….only gots the rollerblades mmkay?!?

  94. dpforjodi
    05/29/2013 at 9:42 am

    hi MMD, sorry to hear about your computer woes. Try not to be depressed!!!!!!

  95. dpforjodi
    05/29/2013 at 9:58 am

    hi Anna, how do you feel ? are you having trial withdrawl? Is everything really big in Texas?

    • Anna
      05/29/2013 at 10:03 am

      hey dpforjodi…i love your penname! Yes, everything is HUGE here! 🙂 How are you this day?

      • dpforjodi
        05/29/2013 at 10:09 am

        I am still down in the dumps. Forcing myself to do some spring cleaning. Worried about the next phase. Sigh

      • Anna
        05/29/2013 at 11:25 am

        Well just stop it now!!! {{{hands on hips}}} Obviously I don’t know you yet, but and btw, spring cleaning is a good thing. Head up there dpforjodi! 🙂

      • dpforjodi
        05/29/2013 at 2:51 pm

        That is what I thought

      • Anna
        05/29/2013 at 8:35 pm

        well then, you were right!!! 🙂

  96. 05/29/2013 at 10:21 am

    Brightgirl58 :
    BG58 Heygirl I think what you were alluding to in your post to me was when HJ asked me about the Brewer interview.. I gave only a partial answer.. not one that covered the insights into the dynamic of the relationship itself.. I said I would save it for another time. Then HJ and I had a ‘nutshell’ discussion on it so I didn’t follow up.
    Let me know if you want that and I will post accordingly.
    Above posted from previous page. Most definitely I would appreciate your expansion on the above. Look forward to it.

    Syn, this is addressed to you. I think it got lost above. Tx.

    • 05/29/2013 at 1:16 pm

      Heygirl.. 😀 it’s on my list.. just have to find the time to review the vid and write it out 🙂 I’ll get to it.. loved that interview CC’sC found and HJ pointed me to… it answered so many of my questions re that relationship 🙂

      • 05/29/2013 at 1:49 pm

        Every facet of this case offshoots into something worth probing. Tx for your time. It’s appreciated by me.

  97. Wendy
    05/29/2013 at 10:32 am

    Good morning! Just wanted to stop by and say hi! I’ve been lurking just too disheartened to make any comments. I feel so bad for the Alexander family. I pray there is justice for Travis very soon.

    • Jill
      05/29/2013 at 10:40 am

      Hi Wendy. I feel so bad too. It is with me all the time. Even when I go out, I’m constantly thinking of them wherever I am. And, the Christian Newsom families, as well. I am so pained for them all…I have the heartbreaking images of the victim statements that are always in the forefront of my mind.

      • Anna
        05/29/2013 at 11:38 am

        Jill, don’t make me come down (up?) there……it will be what it will be….out of our control….now please breathe

      • Jill
        05/29/2013 at 12:05 pm

        Thanks Anna! You’re so right…but it’s hard

    • Anna
      05/29/2013 at 11:35 am

      hey Wendy, good morning! I just wanted to say let’s all be hopeful for a just result, and hopeful that the Alexander Family is at least enjoying a bit of rest…..as best as possible. My prayers to all, always.

  98. Jill
    05/29/2013 at 10:36 am

    Hi all! It’s pretty sad when the only exercise you get is… arm flab exercise of the upper arm from rapidly scrolling down to current comments on CFJ on iPad

    (Does that joke make sense to anyone?)

    • Anna
      05/29/2013 at 11:27 am

      hey Jill….better than no exercise at all, right?? The joke makes sense to me, but that might want to worry you just a bit…..lol

      • Jill
        05/29/2013 at 12:10 pm

        Lol. Actually, I’m kidding. I did good today..just got off elliptical….but, the bad news is that we are off to a Las Vegas buffet with my aunt who is visiting from Chicago….

      • Anna
        05/29/2013 at 12:13 pm

        well….congrats on preparing for that feast to come! 🙂

  99. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/29/2013 at 11:39 am

    from a review of The Unwinding by George Packer in todays NY Times: (Steinbeck and Cathy discussed earlier on posts; Oprah and Dr Phil also)

    “He has a few complimentary things to say about Ms. Winfrey, but his section about her amounts to a comprehensive takedown. About her audience he maintains: “They had things that she didn’t — children, debts, spare time. They consumed the products that she advertised but would never buy — Maybelline, Jenny Craig, Little Caesars, Ikea. As their financial troubles grew, she would thrill them by selecting one of them and wiping out her debts on the air.”

    “He goes on: “Being instructed in Oprah’s magical thinking (vaccinations cause autism; positive thoughts lead to wealth, love, and success), and watching Oprah always doing more, owning more, not all her viewers began to live their best life.” It gets harsher from there.”

    “Eventually six of the surviving Waltons,” the author writes, “would have as much money as the bottom 30 percent of Americans.”

    “It was only after Walton’s death, Mr. Packer says, “that the country began to understand what his company had done.” He writes: “Over the years, America had become more like Walmart. It had gotten cheap. Prices were lower, and wages were lower. There were fewer union factory jobs, and more part-time jobs as store greeters.” He adds: “The hollowing out of the heartland was good for the company’s bottom line.”

    “The Unwinding” contains many sweeping, wide-angle views of American life. Its portraits of Youngstown, Ohio; Tampa; Silicon Valley; Washington; and Wall Street are rich, complex and interlocking. Mr. Packer’s gifts are Steinbeckian in the best sense of that term.”

    • Anna
      05/29/2013 at 11:48 am

      “positive thoughts lead to wealth” YAYS!!! Thank you….is that the Secret? lol

  100. Anna
    05/29/2013 at 11:54 am

    obedy kaybidy….i’m a self-professed Sound of Music freak-deal with it:

    • Jill
      05/29/2013 at 12:17 pm

      Anna, u r going to hate me after I tell u this…I’ve never seen this before. But, maybe u will like me again when I tell u that it is on my list of old movies that I want to share with my ten yr old daughter this summer…

      • Anna
        05/29/2013 at 12:22 pm

        Hate you? You don’t know me very well do you? lol Jill…I LOVE that you are doing that for your daughter as I have done the same with my (near 16-yr-old ((help me))) daughter. They really do get a lot out of things like that, even if they don’t want to admit it! 🙂 My grandma took me to see all the old musicals…back in the daze when they had intermission and you could go get more chocolate!!!

      • Jill
        05/29/2013 at 12:46 pm

        Oh, u r so lucky to have those great memories with your grandma!
        We just saw singing in the rain, pippi longstocking, and a few Shirley temple movies. It feels so nice to b able to tear her away from her ipod and friends for awhile.
        Any other suggestions would b appreciated. (Already have best years of our lives[thanks to someone on this site that recommended it.was it u, btw?]

      • Anna
        05/29/2013 at 8:31 pm

        donchais, you may give Jill my email address if she so desires cuz I have a movie list a half-mile long. Good on ya lass!!!

      • Jill
        05/29/2013 at 8:45 pm

        Oh Anna, that’d b great! Ty

    • ByeByeJA
      05/29/2013 at 2:29 pm

      Favorite all-time movie!!!

      • Anna
        05/29/2013 at 8:33 pm

        hey ByeByeJA! 🙂

  101. 05/29/2013 at 12:03 pm

    Is it just me or does Jodi Arias have freakishly long arms & hands? She looks like freaking Gollum on those police interrogation videos. Also, tragically, I think she killed Doggie Boy. Didn’t she say that “she never saw him again” after allegedly “kicking” him? She was a sadist from way back. What dog just up and disappears if you merely kick him? She is one of the most despicable people I have ever become aware of. I so agree with that alternate juror who said last night that she didn’t think Arias had mental issues, she thought Arias was inherently evil. That says it all.

    • Marilyn N
      05/29/2013 at 12:06 pm

      Oh yes! Along with her extremely l o n g neck, long, skinny fingers (claws), long tongue,
      etc etc etc etc!!!

    • 05/29/2013 at 2:04 pm

      catbyte….. I can’t tell you how badly her spidy fingers and hands have freaked me out since I first began watching the trial. It began when I noticed how she held her cup when drinking water while she was testifying. She had ( IMO) a weird way of holding that cup. Using her left hand she always gripped it from the top. I can’t really describe it. And her hand gestures mirrored Wilmots. Ugh.

  102. Lisa
    05/29/2013 at 12:11 pm

    Yes she does, catbyte! They’re extremely long.
    BTW everyone I’m back to just “Lisa”. Haven’t seen the other Lisa in a while so shouldn’t be any confusion.

  103. Anna
    05/29/2013 at 12:30 pm

    long arms indeedy with flexy biceps when she writes stuff….i’m off for now, best to all and i will chk bk later, sorry bout that…. 🙂

  104. 05/29/2013 at 12:57 pm

    Jay :
    The foreman didn’t lead anybody astray.
    Where do you come up with this nonsense?
    One of the deliberating jurors was on the Dr Drew show tonight.
    She specifically said the foreman didn’t attempt to sway ANYBODY.
    He didn’t have any influence on the others. Or try to.
    The same goes for the others who didn’t vote for the death penalty.
    You and the others on this blog who have defamed and insulted and disparaged him have acted shamefully.
    Because of you and people like you making those outlandish assertions, encouraging a disparaging climate of hate, the foreman has been receiving death threats, a mindset you and the others here have promulgated. His son also has been receiving threats on his blog for defending his father.
    Feeling good about that Robert, with your own equally distasteful comments above?

    This is typical of the short sighted comments you “add” to this blog Jay.. pulled out of the air and lacking substantive thought.

    So…. let me just point out the most obvious on this one (and there is so much more to illustrate your shallow style of thinking, I’m choosing only the brightest red beacon.)

    The guy is a car salesman and by his age it’s fairly safe to assume (unlike LaLa with the grey haired and bearded dwarfs) that the guy is further towards the end of that career than the beginning.. and what are car slaesman renowned for?.. I’m sure the same thing in the USA as Australia and many other countries on this planet. PERSUASIVE language.. selling!!!

    Car salesman have one thing and one thing in mind when they talk to you… CLOSING the deal … the deal which benefits them.

    On top of that, even without knowing his profession it is not difficult to see what his natural bias was.

    As for his tactics and agenda they remain, so far, somewhat more of a mystery but the likelihood many years of car salesman ‘etiquette’ crept into that jury room.. I’d say are beyond reasonable doubt.

    • 05/29/2013 at 1:25 pm

      additionally.. who is to say he wasn’t satisfied with just bringing the “no verdict” verdict in which is why he discouraged additional discourse. My understanding from the Judge’s direction earlier that same day was they were to be encouraged to reach a unanimous verdict and I do not think she was encouraging them to reach a unanimous no unanimous verdict. So in that at least, he failed as a foreman.

      Nonsense? Far from it. In his interviews and others he seems to have been derelict in his duty at least during the last phase. Deliberately so? Perhaps.

      • Family of Law
        05/29/2013 at 3:37 pm

        ***pouring*** you something cool and refreshing…. 😉

  105. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/29/2013 at 2:09 pm

    Food for thought on having an opinion about the jury’s action (John Rawls, Harvard emeritus professor of legal philosophy):

    “ Given that liberty of conscience, freedom of thought, and toleration of differnt philosophical and religious views are all central features of a well-ordered democratic society, how can reasonable persons holding differnt reasonable comprehensive doctrines come to accept the same conception of liberal justice as a shared basis for justification, public reasoning and social unity?” (Rawls)

    —-This is the issue with every jury. Their JOB is to make it work.

    “…should a person not be directly acquainted with an interest, his compentency as a judge, is seen, in part, by his capacity to give that interest an appraisal by means of an imaginative experience of it….a competent judge must not consider his own de facto preferences as the necessarily valid measure of the actual worth of those interests, which come before him, but that he be both able and anxious to determine, by imaginative appreciation, what those interests mean to persons who share them and consider them accordingly” (Rawls)

    —–The post-verdict comments by the foreman, made it clear he was unable to conceive the “imaginative experience” of his job. He saw a”girl” who “didnt look like a killer”

    “…not only is it necessary to have certain abilities and achievements, but to be a good investigator, a person must develop those habits of mind and thought which we may call “intellectual virtues (= reasonableness, moral insight)…the imposition of these conditions is justified on the grounds that fear and partiality are recognized obstructions in the determination of justice.” (Rawls).

    –one of the areas supposed to be covered by voir dire and the “death penalty qualified” panel

    “..it is required that the judgement is stable, that is that there be evidence that at other times in other places competent judges have rendered the same judgement on similar cases, understanding similar cases to be those in which the relevant facts and competing interests are similar…..These restrictions are justified on the grounds that it seems unreasonable to have any confidence that a judgement is correct if competent persons disagree about it”(Rawls)

    —a “hung jury” at the penalty phase, by the same jury as the guilt phase, is “unreasonable”

    “..just as epistemology is best studied by considering specific instances of intuitively acceptable knowledge, ethics is most profitably pursued by examining carefully instances of what seem to be intuitively acceptable and reasonable moral decisions….it should be noted in light of this…that we may think of rules, as opposed to principles, as maxims expressing the results of applying the principles of justice to recognized and frequently occurring types of cases…To show that a given decision conflicts with what a principle would dictate, is to give a reason for thinking it unjust.”

    • ringadingding
      05/29/2013 at 5:45 pm

      Thank you. I would consider the failure to have an imaginative appreciation for something beyond the foreman’s personal experience to be the most frustrating aspect of this. Syn has pointed to this narrow minded approach as well. I’d say it’s the very least a juror, let alone a foreman, could strive toward. Even with his limited scope of thinking, the jury could have come to an agreement. I’m not suggesting it had to be DP, just that they follow the process and endure the discomfort of reaching an agreement.

      The length of the trial, the holiday weekend…it wore them down, I think. That’s not right, either. There should be a reasonable time frame for trying a case. I don’t know what that might be for a DP case, but much of this was wasted, and I include JM’s cross of defense witnesses in that.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 6:08 pm

        I think the DP complicates every trial it is involved in. The “game playing” during the trial, the faux maneuvers, the unending approaches, all can find their roots in the appeals process for the death penalty,

        The “death qualified” jury doesn’t mean much, if basic logic and reason, or the ability to make imaginative leaps, have been left checked at the door. Experts who cancel each other out might be eliminated.. .Professional jurors – disinterested ones – will help speed the whole process. This process seems terribly burdening on the family of victims or on victims themselves. The “right” to a “fair” trial maybe should include the “rights” of those attending the trial as representatives of the victim.

      • ringadingding
        05/29/2013 at 6:37 pm

        For states that have DP, a professional jury would be the way to go for sure. Although, to be honest, I like the idea of a professional jury for all trials.

        I don’t know much about the history of our justice system, or what a jury of one’s peers was supposed to achieve (I’ll assume fairness), but like everything else today, it’s turned into a theater of the absurd. No doubt, a professional jury system would become perverted over time, too. It does seem that change is needed.

  106. Nienna
    05/29/2013 at 2:15 pm

    Been struggling with this verdict and looking for resolve of my thoughts… Joey Jackson has helped me some today…

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      05/29/2013 at 3:11 pm

      Thank you for the reminder! We saw this before and it relieved our worries. We like Joey Jackson because he speaks clearly and with common sense.

    • GN5020
      05/29/2013 at 4:14 pm

      I’ve always like Joey Jackson. His statement reminds me of one of Travis’s quotes, which is very appropriate looking ahead to the retrial “The difference between a stumbling block and a stepping stone is the character of the individual walking the path.”

  107. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/29/2013 at 2:15 pm

    Is anyone concerned that with these jurors speaking out and knowing the Duh-fence reads everything on the internet for trial clues (instead of referring to their law books!) that they will know where they went wrong and try to fix it when the punishment phase is re-tried? How much you want to bet that JA comes back just spewing “I’m sorry” all over the place and turns on the water works BIG time! We may see a new low to her chair this time around where she’ll practically be sitting on the floor! We say….expect A LOT of drama this time around!!

    • Nienna
      05/29/2013 at 2:20 pm

      I’m worried about that. But I also hold to the fact that Juan will be doing the same thing. And I read somewhere that he can introduce her interviews this time around.

    • Chrissie A
      05/29/2013 at 2:27 pm

      Hi ladies! Very much so, I was thinking exactly the same thing yesterday ~ugh~

    • Family of Law
      05/29/2013 at 3:15 pm

      Hi CiCis- I’m not worried at all about the jurors speaking to the media. The defense AND the State already have knowledge about the jurors opinions. I find it hard to believe that the DT didn’t try for months to get her to comply to the very obvious advice of: “you need to “act” remorseful”, “don’t elaborate on the stand, yes/ no answers” , etc. “stop scribbling”, “don’t stare down the jury”, etc. JA has been the “brains” behind her defense from the very start, I don’t see that changing. If she were to attempt to feign remorse, it would be as transparent as her fake glasses.

      A few days ago I was reeling from the non verdict, verdict and called my brother, a former prosecuter in MI. I have copied part of that post below, it made me feel better, I hope it does the same for you….

      05/24/2013 at 10:31 pm | #81 Quote Family of Law

      In my disgust and outrage, I have called all four of my attorney brothers, and have talked their ears off! My second eldest brother was a prosecutor in Michigan for many years, he offered the greatest insights. He has not followed this case, but I gave him an extensive mini course. (my guess is, he’ll be spending his night on You Tube!). He said two very important things to remember are:
      1. She has been found GUILTY of 1st degree, premeditated murder- And the crime was found to be “especially cruel and heinous”. No penalty retrial will do anything to ever change that fact. So, regardless of the penalty phase ending in a mistrial, the proceedings will begin with these two guilty verdicts as a starting point. Therefore, if the State proceeds with a retrial, vs. a plea deal, after the voir dire, jurors will begin the trial knowing that SHE IS a convicted MURDERER, they will not have to presume her innocence ever. (I am not explaining this as well as he did!!!!)
      2. If the State proceeds with a retrial, the State and the Defense will have in depth knowledge of “why” the jury failed to exact a unanimous verdict, he cautioned that the Defense will have an upper hand due to this, given that the new jury will not have as full of a picture as the previous jurors (no benefit of watching her lie day after day on the stand for 18 days, etc) But, the State will have things on their side as well, Juan will most likely bring into evidence her post verdict FOX interview, as well as her media blitz during the jury deliberation.
      He also reminded me of this, JA committed murder in a State that is widely considered to be in the top 3 for the WORST States to be incarcerated in a maximum security prison. He said that it’s very likely she won’t survive long enough to get parole. My brother was always very good with his closing arguments, his close to our conversation, “Don’t worry your pretty little head, no matter what happens, that bitch is fu@ked”

      • Beans
        05/29/2013 at 3:56 pm

        Thanks FOL., just the kick in the ass I needed to boost me out of the doldrums.

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 5:12 pm

        Thank you FOL. I needed that today and your brother sounds terrific. Is he the one who is now hooked on watching all the interrogation videos??????

    • HJ Madison
      05/29/2013 at 3:21 pm

      Hello Ladies! Just know that all the jurors are being interviewed in a serious way by both the prosecution and defense. It is standard procedure. Not just because of the penalty pase, but also regarding details of the guilt phase as the DT looks for any and all appealable issues. Not to worry

      I doubt Jodi will ever say “I am sorry” because she still has to contend with her guilt conviction. “Sorry” implies remorse for something she believes herself innocent of. My guess is that she was so proud of her 1st dog and pony show it will merely be a repeat of that. Recall that it only takes one!

      • Family of Law
        05/29/2013 at 3:32 pm

        Hi HJ! Well said. I believe that no matter what happens, JA will never have a Starbucks latte again… Let alone be given an opportunity to slaughter another man, and his family.

  108. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/29/2013 at 2:26 pm

    I’ll be glued to it like everyone else,but it is creepy. People judging who haven’t been “in on it” and it concerning life or death to boot!. Eventually, the tiptoeing around the DP–for Appeals, for juries – will probably pass and LWOP will be the new form of DP I think. The concentration on guilt has been replaced by a focus on punishment and that seems assbackwards.

    • Family of Law
      05/29/2013 at 3:34 pm

      Hi Robert, you brought out your BIG broom last night! I’d tried tidying up last week, but to no avail! Well done you!

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 4:05 pm

        sometimes it is necessary to drag out the BIG broom. I hope not again, but it still works!

    • 05/29/2013 at 4:25 pm

      I feel so bad for Travis Alexander’s family that the Endless Trial hasn’t ended yet. I feel fortunate that Michigan doesn’t have the death penalty because after the murderers of my friend were convicted of first degree murder a month ago, the automatic punishment for it is LWOP, no ifs ands or buts. It allowed us friends and family to try to put it the trial and brutal crime behind us, knowing that those two despicable creatures will never again breathe free air. Their lives are going to suck and suck hard. Jackson State Prison is no summer camp and every single day of their hopefully long lives will be dreary and filled with hopelessness, which is just as it should be. They will see other inmates come and go, yet the only way they will ever get out is when they’re in a box. I can forget about them and leave them to their fate. At least parole isn’t an option here like it is in Arizona. That’s what would keep me awake at night if I were one of Alexander’s friends or family.

      • Elexa
        05/29/2013 at 5:12 pm

        Here in Pennsylvania we have the “kill for thrill” murderers still on death row for a crime spree and 4 murders committed back in 1980.

        Having the death penalty as an option is almost pointless.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 5:47 pm

        even though I’m sure its painful to even mention, thank you for posting this. I think inevitable that this will be the way all the States eventually deal with the issue.

  109. MMD
    05/29/2013 at 3:55 pm

    I’m back!!!!! My 4th child was returned with a new power adapter and it didn’t cost a thing because I’m still under warranty. Got the printer that I asked about in January, (kinda got waylaid by a trial) and am already talking to them about a another laptop.

    I’m never, ever going through a day like this was today. Even my phone numbers are on my computer so I definitely need a new backup!!!!

    I wonder if there is some kind of anonymous computer 12 step group that I can attend 😯

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/29/2013 at 4:06 pm

      Ok the heavens can calm down; the wind can get in place, MMD is back.

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 5:13 pm

        🙄

      • Anna
        05/29/2013 at 8:27 pm

        well thank the heavens and pass the biscuits arlready cuz MMD is baaack….itunes is a beast who should be tamed in a large way….yucko

    • Beans
      05/29/2013 at 4:12 pm

      If you find the 12 step group let me know. I just spent 3 hours on the phone with my kid while he walked me through trying to set things up again. (with much geezer inspired exasperated sighing on his part – he doesn’t remember I used to change his diapers) I’m still heartbroken over losing all my music but the worst was not being able to here – on this site – with all of you.

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 5:07 pm

        I truly, truly feel your pain Beans. Someone gave me an iPod for Christmas loaded with 800 songs. They had done it on their pc, not their mac, thinking as long as I went through iTunes I would be alright. Needless to say, I lost every damn bit of it and had to start from scratch. Both of us learned a very valuable lesson the hard way.

        And I agree, I was going nuts not being able to be on here!!! At least you have a son who is a computer whiz – I would just like to borrow a 10 year old from anywhere when I can’t figure something out. 🙄

      • Family of Law
        05/29/2013 at 5:47 pm

        Oh no, that’s a lot of music! I’m so sorry! I know just how you feel, a couple of months back I managed to delete ALL 800+ photos from my iPhone! (pictures of my son, family vacations, our beloved Labrador, that has since passed away,, etc, etc!) Unfortunately I had been “penny wise, pound foolish”, and didn’t buy more iCloud storage, instead, I had turned off “photo stream” to save memory, and I hadn’t backed my phone up on my computer in ages! Dumb, super dumb. So needless to say, lesson was learned the hard way.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 5:49 pm

        its depressing to read this. I’m gonna keep my cds and my cd player. I have not made the digital move.

      • Douglme
        05/30/2013 at 1:55 am

        You need to get yourself an external hard drive and backup your files on a regular basis.

    • MMD
      05/29/2013 at 4:58 pm

      Yes but there are still problems. If I unplug the cord, even though it is 100% charged it shuts off but this cord is much shorter. Needless to say, I phoned and they are going to get me a longer cord and the tech that worked on my computer has left for the day and they don’t know what he tested for. As a result, this means that I will be going another day without my computer 😦

      Beans, only bonus was I looked at all my Amazon boxes and thought great, I can’t even find out which has what without the tracking numbers and first one I picked to open was the one I wanted which is what you just finished by John Sandford. Halfway through it now. 🙂

      • Beans
        05/29/2013 at 5:34 pm

        re:Sanford, i liked it. My son is 31, if I can corral him, I’ll stick him in a box and ship him to you. He can be a pain in the butt, but, he’ll fix your computer. He’s kinda a smartass,don’t know where that comes from. maybe his mother, so you’ll have to deal with it. an aside: not sure I can finish Grisham’s “The Innocent Man” it’s really making me crazy.

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 5:55 pm

        Why Beans? Because you’re so frustrated with what happened and the system or for another reason???

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 5:57 pm

        As for your son Beans, please overnight him. That way my computer doesn’t have to leave my hot little hands 😆 I can handle smartass 😉

    • Family of Law
      05/29/2013 at 5:33 pm

      Hip, hip hooray!!! Phew!!!! Glad your “4th child” is back where he belongs!!!

      • Beans
        05/29/2013 at 5:58 pm

        so you’re saying I can still learn something – who knew

  110. Elexa
    05/29/2013 at 4:09 pm

    Ok, so every once in a while I torture myself by looking at the looney bin site and trying to figure out what is wrong with those people. Not often, but once in a while I do and occasionally I’m rewarded by little ditties like the following:

    “Survivor” T-Shirts.
    Help support Domestic Violence. 100% of all net profit will go to support other survivors of domestic violence. $15.00 free shipping in US (Shipping out of the US is extra and will be invoiced to you separately).

    Anyone else see what’s weird here?

    • Beans
      05/29/2013 at 4:19 pm

      well, first of all, I don’t want to “help support domestic violence” and Elexa, why do you do this?, it’s like picking at a scab and then wondering why it bleeds.

      • Nienna
        05/29/2013 at 4:40 pm

        And VERY true! I do not “support domestic violence”. Is this a freudian slip? Cause we all know that you (JA) were the abuser in the relationship.

      • Elexa
        05/29/2013 at 4:58 pm

        I don’t want to help support domestic violence either and I don’t know why I do this, Beans. 🙂
        I guess just trying to understand how people can be SO off.

    • Nienna
      05/29/2013 at 4:25 pm

      Net profit…

      • Nienna
        05/29/2013 at 4:37 pm

        Meaning what exactly are your “expenses”.

    • MMD
      05/29/2013 at 5:00 pm

      Elexa I hope you ran a scan. You can get scabies over at that site 👿

      • Elexa
        05/29/2013 at 5:08 pm

        Thanks for the concern, MMD.
        My husband is network security for a major university and while I’m somewhat technically challenged, he keeps me safe from harm.

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 5:14 pm

        Glad to hear it 😀

  111. Family of Law
    05/29/2013 at 5:58 pm

    MMD :
    Thank you FOL. I needed that today and your brother sounds terrific. Is he the one who is now hooked on watching all the interrogation videos??????

    My brother spent HOURS watching Croaker Queen trial footage, interrogation vids, all of JA’s interviews, etc. He had to apologize to me for giving me sh*t about “having nothing better to do with my days” other than watching a trial about a psycho! He and his family are coming into town for my son’s birthday in mid June, when I told my son… He responded, “Great, I can’t wait to pick Uncle John’s brain about a few legal issues re: the WOBO…”.

    • MMD
      05/29/2013 at 6:03 pm

      Love it – gotta have the entire family hooked to truly get through the experience!!! Family support is paramount!!!!

      Do we have a new set of neuticles in the family today darlin’ and is hubby now happy? 😀

      • Family of Law
        05/29/2013 at 6:17 pm

        Lol!!!! Seamus had his “plastic surgery” this morning! I get to pick him up tonight at 8pm!!!! Son and hubby all abandoned me today! Son “had to study” and Hubby is away on business (don’t think the coincidence of a “last minute” trip at this paramount time was lost on me!). I’m anxious to see his “bionics”! I had been a nervous ‘grandmother’ awaiting the call from the vet, she said “all went well, he’s better than new!” lol!

      • Beans
        05/29/2013 at 6:25 pm

        RE: ‘The Innocent Man” – because of the frustration. These moron cops wanted to convict somebody so badly they ignored facts in front of them and took the easy route to pin the crime on two innocents while the real “perp” was standing in front of them. The prosecutor should be locked up. This is why I have no problem giving stabby the DP, but argue against it when administered by the State.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/29/2013 at 6:41 pm

      FOL! Your son is in Donchais Middle School! Get ’em young and hold ’em to it. Does he know of LaToilette? Doc Dodgy? Dr. Cutie? Wormi and Gidget? What about the Juanster?
      He’s got homework to do too! He wants to get to university, no?

      • Family of Law
        05/29/2013 at 6:49 pm

        Lol! ReR!!!! He is finishing (and I’m praying) his 1st year of Law School next week. The pressure is definitely ON… He is super crabby lately, and I’m keeping a safe distance until his last test is taken, and final paper is turned in! He would already be able to make mincemeat outta Dodgy and LaLa! And Pffffft to Wurm and Perk! (I haven’t won an argument with him since he was 6!).

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 6:56 pm

        Robert – pay attention- Fol’s son is already in Law School and in one course all they did was discuss this case so in essence, he’s pre-university (kinda like premed). 😀 I think he is waiting anxiously for his acceptance letter because I’m sure he wrote one heck of an essay about the case 🙂 plus you know how tough it is to get in………..and there is that massive wait list 😉

      • Family of Law
        05/29/2013 at 7:00 pm

        Perhaps Donchais will offer us all diplomas?

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 7:23 pm

        But FOL we have to graduate first and I don’t want to do that for some time. Maybe move to a different degree but not leave 😦

  112. MMD
    05/29/2013 at 6:00 pm

    Robert exits Rotterdam :
    its depressing to read this. I’m gonna keep my cds and my cd player. I have not made the digital move.

    Smart man 😀 I’m so literal that I would be picturing a white, billowy cloud. Haven’t gone that route yet either!!!!

  113. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/29/2013 at 6:22 pm

    Meanwhile…in Canada: They have a DP problem right now. Certain similarities.

    “A Canadian construction worker whose nose was ripped off in a brutal dog attack is furious after it emerged the beast will not be put down.
    Jimmy Rogers was left with a huge hole in his face after his neighbor’s pet pit bull savaged him as he sat on the front porch of his Oshawa home on Lake Ontario on May 18.

    But, to add insult to injury, Rogers was this week told that the angry animal has been allowed to live — and will only have to be muzzled when out in public in future.

    This is despite pit bulls being banned in Ontario.
    “I want justice. My nose has been ripped off and I don’t want this to happen to someone else,” he told the Toronto Sun.
    Rogers is now calling on the ban on that particular breed to be reinforced, and is demanding Polo be destroyed.”

    • Beans
      05/29/2013 at 6:33 pm

      Yeah, we’re an enigmatic bunch aren’t we – just wrap old “Polo” in a baby seal skin and we’ll beat him to death.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 6:35 pm

        If the neighbors ever laugh at him with is fake nose maybe he’ll jump the fence and slice a nose for a nose.

  114. 05/29/2013 at 6:26 pm

    Consider LWOP taking the place of DP. Given the days of being locked up for 23hrs are indeed hell on earth, and folks won’t be able to cope (many examples given here including the essay written by the man in solitary for 20+ years), could it be bodies strewn in prisons across the country due to suicide would become prevalent? From there, perchance a DP reconsideration discussion? What is more barbaric/humane putting someone out of their misery for them or living in that situation?

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/29/2013 at 6:32 pm

      The crux of what I hope we will discuss during this phase. The initial “jury” disappointment can be a gauge that the state of AZ uses when rethinking the most economical and just way of dealing with criminals the people of AZ want “put away.”

    • 05/29/2013 at 6:39 pm

      Perhaps the ultimate game changer one would have is if it were the murder of that person’s loved one…when it becomes personal. I can speculate and give my opinion but when the rubber meets the road…

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 6:50 pm

        We’ve seen it with many people. The Kennedy’s about Sirhan pops to mind because it was so public a stance. But I know what you mean, I know people clearly dead set against the DP, but I wonder if the issue hit home, they’d be so certain. I have always felt on a fence since a part of me sees the reason for it,and a part is repulsed – mostly because there are no fail safes and a little bit because if killing is “wrong” why is the State killing” in a context other than war?

        For the most heinous crimes, I think the idea of rehabilitation doesn’t apply. The LWOP can protect the State’s citizens conscience, because if – and its a big if – something is found ‘exonerating” the person, they can be freed. Death doesn’t get an “oops.”

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 7:21 pm

        I still think that if it was a loved one I wouldn’t be able to give the DP. It would be too easy to me. I would want them to pay and to suffer, like the guy who has been on lockdown for 26 years.

        JA on the other hand is truly the devil incarnate and would create havoc once she managed to get into general population. I can just envision her running the entire place. Then again, I can see her managing to have sex with a guard while on death row. Nothing would surprise me with her at all. Gawd, I have no idea when I became soooooooo cynical??????? 😯

      • Kathy A.
        05/29/2013 at 8:40 pm

        I have mixed feelings about the death penalty; when my husband was murdered, it was a death-penalty-eligible crime, and I had no problem supporting the DP (here in Arizona, no less), but the killer took a plea deal for LWOP. That was fine with me because it meant I would avoid going through endless appeals and he would be out of society, but I also was struck by how this guy who so carelessly stole my husband’s life and almost certainly was going to take mine was afraid to die, even though he would have had years before the sentence was carried out. I also knew that no matter how many death sentences he might receive, it would never, ever bring my husband back

        I believe the DP would be more effective as a deterrent if it were meted out in a much shorter period of time, not the years and years and years that pass currently (“Justice delayed is justice denied”). With Jodi Arias, I firmly support the death penalty because every aspect of her life and her crime has been about getting away with things and because her only defense was to drag Travis’s reputation through the mud and continue to hurt his family.

        But then LWOP…there was an infamous mass killer by the name of Richard Speck, which I imagine many of you on this site are familiar with. He brutally tortured, raped and murdered 8 student nurses in Chicago in 1966; there was a 9th nurse in the house that he tied up with all the rest, but Speck either lost count or wasn’t paying attention and she managed to save herself by rolling under a bed and hiding there while the murders were taking place. He was sentenced to death (even though he also claimed he had no memory of committing the murders), but in 1971 the Supreme Court upheld his conviction but overturned the death sentence, and he was re-sentenced to 1,200 years in prison.

        In 1988, a videotape was smuggled out of the prison that showed Speck wearing women’s panties and lipstick, having sex with another inmate, and using cocaine. He had grown breasts from having female hormones smuggled in to him and talked on camera about how well he adapted to prison and if “they” knew what a good time he was having, they would have let him out. He died of a heart attack in prison.

        I just want LWOP to be an unpleasant experience for the convict if that’s the sentence that’s given.

    • MMD
      05/29/2013 at 7:02 pm

      That’s why I’m so glad that I live in Canada and we don’t have to make the decision. This is truly the first time I have EVER wished death on another person and it doesn’t make me happy to say it or feel it!!

  115. MMD
    05/29/2013 at 6:44 pm

    Family of Law :
    Lol!!!! Seamus had his “plastic surgery” this morning! I get to pick him up tonight at 8pm!!!! Son and hubby all abandoned me today! Son “had to study” and Hubby is away on business (don’t think the coincidence of a “last minute” trip at this paramount time was lost on me!). I’m anxious to see his “bionics”! I had been a nervous ‘grandmother’ awaiting the call from the vet, she said “all went well, he’s better than new!” lol!

    Darlin’ you’re not a grandmother, only a mama to Seamus. You are, however, a grandmother to Mama Cat’s babies. As for hubby, I guess just the thought of the surgery drove him out of town 😉 Men and their junk! 🙄

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/29/2013 at 6:51 pm

      why am I squirming? wth?

      • Family of Law
        05/29/2013 at 7:02 pm

        Rear, it’s only natural….

      • Beans
        05/29/2013 at 7:03 pm

        We are picturing you with ‘neuticles; – hope ya like ’em

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 7:09 pm

        Do ya have your legs crossed Robert darlin’? 🙄

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 7:12 pm

        Beans, it’s hubby that’s gonna love them!!! I still think it is soooooooooooo hilarious. I giggle every time I think about it. 🙂

    • Family of Law
      05/29/2013 at 6:58 pm

      Hubby actually bid Seamus’s “bits” a fond farewell before he left, it’s beyond me!!!! Technically Seamus belongs to our son (Xmas pressie from his girlfriend), that somehow put me prematurely into the granny role! But, what Sam doesn’t know is this, I will not relinquish Seamus when he’s done with school, I will pull “possession is nine tenths of the law” card!

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 7:05 pm

        A fond farewell. Too freaking funny!!!!!!! Never let Seamus go – you’re son AND his girlfriend should have known better 🙄 Tell Sam that is payment for NOT naming him Liam 😀

      • Beans
        05/29/2013 at 7:25 pm

        We’ve all got your back FOL, who can stand up in the face of that

  116. MMD
    05/29/2013 at 6:49 pm

    Beans :
    RE: ‘The Innocent Man” – because of the frustration. These moron cops wanted to convict somebody so badly they ignored facts in front of them and took the easy route to pin the crime on two innocents while the real “perp” was standing in front of them. The prosecutor should be locked up. This is why I have no problem giving stabby the DP, but argue against it when administered by the State.

    I totally agree. That’s why it scared the hell out of me that it could even happen. Goes to show it can happen to anyone. Stick with it though Beans, it’s worth it to finish it so you can see how it should work. Justice is finally served but it definitely isn’t a happy ending, sadly.

    Yeah I have no problem with JA and the DP but only her 😉

    • Beans
      05/29/2013 at 7:09 pm

      well, that’s the problem isn’t it? We can give it to her, or those morons in the Thomas case, or …insert name here… but the state doesn’t provide for those distinctions. Some poor sap might get a prosecutor who is up for re-election, a judge who has to appear to be ‘tough on crime, a politician, in other words – where’s the justice in that?

  117. Family of Law
    05/29/2013 at 7:04 pm

    I bet JA is wishing she was on trial in Orlando…. The Caryn Kelley jury didn’t seem to mind that she changed her story FIVE times. Oh, more of JA’s bad luck!!!

    • MMD
      05/29/2013 at 7:07 pm

      Well if anything strange is gonna happen, it always seems to be in Florida for some reason. I bet JA will be blaming this acquittal on TA as well 😦

    • Beans
      05/29/2013 at 7:39 pm

      MMD already got us into trouble with Donchais by referring to another case, (and yes, it was all your fault, MMD, I tried to warn you but you wouldn’t listen), so let’s stay on topic.

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 7:50 pm

        I’ll admit that it was my fault the last time but this time I brought JA and TA into the picture because it’s probably what she’s doing!!! I’m still on topic unlike the other day.

        So sorry donchais 😦

  118. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/29/2013 at 7:06 pm

    from AP:meanwhile, in Seattle, a DP avoided, and LWOP and LWP now the choice:

    “The Army staff sergeant charged with slaughtering 16 villagers during one of the worst atrocities of the Afghanistan war has agreed to plead guilty in a deal to avoid the death penalty, his attorney told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

    “Staff Sgt. Robert Bales is scheduled to enter guilty pleas to charges of premeditated murder June 5 at Joint Base Lewis-McChord south of Seattle, said lawyer John Henry Browne. A sentencing-phase trial set for September will determine whether he is sentenced to life in prison with or without the possibility of parole.

    “…. The judge will be asking questions of Sgt. Bales about what he did, what he remembers and his state of mind,”

    Hopefully, the judge won’t throw up his arms and say ‘I can’t do it! Get someone else!”

  119. Family of Law
    05/29/2013 at 7:08 pm

    Family of Law :
    Rear, it’s only natural….

    Okay, that typo actually made me “cry laugh”!!!!!! NOT “rear”….. “ReR” (good gaaaawd, visions of anal, astroglide…….)!!!!!!!!

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/29/2013 at 7:12 pm

      Whew! I was thinking…did she mean “really” or did she really mean “rear” or “dear” or “or clear”…whew. No IQ test with that. Thanks.

      • Family of Law
        05/29/2013 at 7:21 pm

        I’m still laughing!!!! I really must proof, before posting! It could really get a gal into trouble!!!!

      • Beans
        05/29/2013 at 8:03 pm

        You’d better back into a corner, there’s a pack of crazy girls here tonight.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 8:17 pm

        yeah, that whole “only natural” bit…yeah, yeah,,,to who?

  120. Family of Law
    05/29/2013 at 7:11 pm

    Surprise, surprise…. The Arizona Supreme Court has denied the defense’s motion to remove the Death Penalty.

    • MMD
      05/29/2013 at 7:14 pm

      As if they ever thought it would have a chance. I think that Wurmi just does all this crap over and over and over again because he figures that maybe eventually they’ll agree with him just so he will shut up and go the hell away!!!!

      • 05/29/2013 at 7:17 pm

        They’re milking the ever-producing cow.

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 7:25 pm

        You’re right Brightgirl – more pennies in the kettle for Wurmi and Gidget!!! 😦

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      05/29/2013 at 8:14 pm

      He’s just trying to look busy!

  121. MMD
    05/29/2013 at 7:27 pm

    So FOL what are they neuticles made of? Saline, for that natural feel 😆

    • Family of Law
      05/29/2013 at 7:37 pm

      Hubby spared no expense! He opted for “Neuticles Ultra Plus”! They are made from the FDA approved for humans solid silicone. (there website boasts: “replicates the natural shape, weight and feel…”! (I’m giggling as I type!)

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 7:45 pm

        Oh my God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I truly hope that hubby enjoys them. I might be getting a tad worried if I were you…………just sayin’…….. I mean it’s not like Seamus is really going to worry about the shape, weight, feel, etc. He probably wouldn’t have noticed they were gone!!! Plus he’s a lab, not a 100 pound dog!!!!!

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 8:05 pm

        OMG.. This University just added a division on Veterinary choices and lifestyles. Doc Tupe–you showed the way! Pretty soon, we’ll be a non-profit.

    • Beans
      05/29/2013 at 7:59 pm

      seriously, why do you need to know that?

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 8:12 pm

        Are you asking me Beans? If you are it’s because none of my specialists at the AVTH at UPEI EVER suggested them to me when my boys were fixed. Plus, I think it’s hilarious that FOL’s hubby was so upset and never got over MacTavish losing his “bits”.

        Plus to be absolutely truthful when I go back, the first thing I will be asking all of them is how come you didn’t ever mention his option to me?????????? 😳

  122. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/29/2013 at 7:28 pm

    The way the trial dominates…..I was reading about the founder of the OSS during WW II which became the CIA, He was a General in the Army and he negotiated the release of the Bay of Pigs prisoners in 1962. His name was James Donovan. EVERY time I see his name now, up pops the Donoman– even the image – and I can’t keep a straight mind.

    A real beaut also just happened to me. I was invited to a friend’s graduation to be held in Pasadena next week. He’s a grad of Brandeis, has been studying for his doctorate as a psychologist, and for the past few years, has performed as a stand-up comic in Los Angeles while he has been studying. What I just found out was that he is to get his diploma from AIU which stands for: ALLIANT International University. And you know who “founded” this university? Yup. Doc Toupe himself, the distinguished professor. If I’m really lucky, I guess I might see LaLaT herself!

    Reminds me of what the author Walker Percy called the “repetition”–like coming upon a street you’d seen in a film all of a sudden. while out sightseeing.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/29/2013 at 7:35 pm

      as long as I’m there I might checkout the Starbucks and look for the “horde” of skateboarders; maybe even get gas at the Arco was it? Hmmm. I did used to take people from Rockingham to Bundy back in the early 1990’s…

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 7:41 pm

        I think Tracey or Vickee did drive that route. Can’t remember exactly who it was. Didn’t see a horde of skateboarders anywhere. wth??????

    • MMD
      05/29/2013 at 7:38 pm

      Please do NOT extend our condolences to ALV for the end of her career!!! 👿

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 8:16 pm

        Right in the middle of the ceremony, I expect to hear a cell phone go off and have it traced to Ms-I-need-a-pension.

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 8:18 pm

        😆

  123. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/29/2013 at 7:58 pm

    Family of Law :
    Hi CiCis- I’m not worried at all about the jurors speaking to the media. The defense AND the State already have knowledge about the jurors opinions. I find it hard to believe that the DT didn’t try for months to get her to comply to the very obvious advice of: “you need to “act” remorseful”, “don’t elaborate on the stand, yes/ no answers” , etc. “stop scribbling”, “don’t stare down the jury”, etc. JA has been the “brains” behind her defense from the very start, I don’t see that changing. If she were to attempt to feign remorse, it would be as transparent as her fake glasses.
    A few days ago I was reeling from the non verdict, verdict and called my brother, a former prosecuter in MI. I have copied part of that post below, it made me feel better, I hope it does the same for you….

    Thank you for the words of wisdom…..some days we’re up and then we start thinking about the JackAss and then we get down again. The waiting just seems endless but we’re hangin’ strong for Travis and Family!!

  124. MMD
    05/29/2013 at 8:04 pm

    Dr. Drew tweeted about 4 hours ago that they were looking for JA supporters. I wonder what or if anything will come out of the woodwork????

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 10:36 am

      None appeared while I was watching so what does that say about her supporters????? I was flipped back and forth with the relief show for Oklahoma once they were through with the juror and had moved onto another case.

  125. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/29/2013 at 8:07 pm

    HJ Madison :
    Hello Ladies! Just know that all the jurors are being interviewed in a serious way by both the prosecution and defense. It is standard procedure. Not just because of the penalty pase, but also regarding details of the guilt phase as the DT looks for any and all appealable issues. Not to worry
    I doubt Jodi will ever say “I am sorry” because she still has to contend with her guilt conviction. “Sorry” implies remorse for something she believes herself innocent of. My guess is that she was so proud of her 1st dog and pony show it will merely be a repeat of that. Recall that it only takes one!

    Oh yes…..that’s right!! She won’t say she’s sorry because she still thinks it was self defense and she didn’t do anything wrong!!! They’re going to have a hell of a time trying to file an appeal naming the news media as a reason she did not get a fair trial. After all…..she’s the one who called them!! Thanks for the insight it helps!!

  126. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/29/2013 at 8:13 pm

    I think AZ will rue the day it passed the 2 jury DP law. The jury that decides guilt should decide. If-by any chance this system survives the coming decades, I hope they form professional juries to do so. This “calling for death” for what was “calling for justice,” has a ring of retributive and vigilante-ish to it. It emphasizes “death” as a concept instead of “punishment” as the concept. They had 3 so far, this could be another. But even when the State “gets’ one of these do-overs, they will always have an unpleasant aftertaste to them. A society is certainly better served with no aftertaste to its punishment, no?

  127. Beans
    05/29/2013 at 8:14 pm

    FOL – whether I need them or not, tomorrow I’,m getting some business cards made up that say : ‘Rear, It’s Only Natural’

    • MMD
      05/29/2013 at 8:20 pm

      😆

      • Beans
        05/29/2013 at 8:27 pm

        MMD, I was trying for a joke and apparently failing – no offense meant.

      • MMD
        05/29/2013 at 8:31 pm

        What are you talking about Beans? I thought your comment was hilarious!!! 🙂

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 8:57 pm

        I thought it was funny. I still like it.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/29/2013 at 8:22 pm

      Robert exits Rotterdam :
      yeah, that whole “only natural” bit…yeah, yeah,,,to who?

    • Family of Law
      05/29/2013 at 8:25 pm

      I think the only right thing to do is buy me a new iPad… This one didn’t survive THAT post!! Laaaaaaaaaaauuughing!!!!!!!!

      How soon you forget when I defended you, back when you were a victim of an errant typo!!!! Lol!!!!

      • Beans
        05/29/2013 at 8:37 pm

        Tomorrow, after the biz cards, I’m getting a jug of vodka and a bag of blood oranges, bashing ’em all together with some ice and saluting you – slainte.

  128. Douglme
    05/29/2013 at 8:14 pm

    Deco :
    But he had Marijuana in his system. Everyone knows that makes you prone to violence , especially when imbibing Skittles. Frightening.

    LOL

  129. Anna
    05/29/2013 at 8:23 pm

    Family of Law :
    Perhaps Donchais will offer us all diplomas?

    diplomas of what….insanity???? lol 😛

  130. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/29/2013 at 8:39 pm

    This day will always mark the start of the darkest memories the Alexander family will ever have:

    Justice4Travis ‏@Justice4TravisA 28 May
    5 years ago today, #JodiArias stole the gun used to kill Travis in cold-blood.

    RIP Travis. Justice WILL be served.

    • 05/29/2013 at 8:43 pm

      ya I put that in.. before… I probably was ahead cos of my time.. hate that thought.. oh but “it was only one day and it shouldnt define my life… one day? yeah right.. and “i’m really a good person” ok… well there are no bad people I guess.

  131. 05/29/2013 at 8:39 pm

    oo mmmm ggggggg LMAO!!!!!!!

    Family of Law :
    Hubby spared no expense! He opted for “Neuticles Ultra Plus”! They are made from the FDA approved for humans solid silicone. (there website boasts: “replicates the natural shape, weight and feel…”! (I’m giggling as I type!)

  132. Beans
    05/29/2013 at 8:43 pm

    MMD – the “seriously why do you need to know that ” and your response – things happen so fast here. I thought I might have offended you. Never would and never will.

    • MMD
      05/29/2013 at 8:59 pm

      No offense at all darlin’ – that’s why I put in the laughing emoticon. 😀 If I get offended I’ll tell ya ok!!! Deal!!!

  133. 05/29/2013 at 8:52 pm

    Family of Law :
    Rear, it’s only natural….

    Okay, that typo actually made me “cry laugh”!!!!!! NOT “rear”….. “ReR” (good gaaaawd, visions of anal, astroglide…….)!!!!!!!!

    OK now “Rear, it’s only natural” on the bumper next to ANL-709-Grand Canyon is ALL Jodi ever needed to advertise her wares.

    • Family of Law
      05/29/2013 at 10:29 pm

      Lol!!!!!!! JA’s new manifesto title!

  134. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/29/2013 at 8:56 pm

    I

    Anna :
    donchais, you may give Jill my email address if she so desires cuz I have a movie list a half-mile long. Good on ya lass!!!

    Well I’d like to see the list. Maybe post an edited version. 10 -16 year old girls can have a wealth of things to see! Also the great great things about film is that it serves as a metaphor for WHATEVER you want it to stand for, WHENEVER you want it, because it frames certain topics in ways that are EASIER to discuss when they are part of a film, than if they were in the family at the dinner table! (I think ‘Best years of our Lives’ is not so great for a 10 year old – for a 10 year old’s stepmom, absolutely!)
    (“To Kill a Mockingbird” is a good start for the 10 year old; “Hugo” for the 16 year old)

    • 05/29/2013 at 9:06 pm

      Lover Harper Lee’s To Kill A mockingbird.. I cried and cried when I read it at about that age or a little before. Sooo sad!!

      • 05/29/2013 at 9:07 pm

        err love not lover 🙄

    • Jill
      05/29/2013 at 9:07 pm

      Ok, Ty Robert for the tidbit of advice about “best years…” not being good for ten yr old.
      Hubby and I will see that one alone then. Ty!

      Btw, I think to kill a mockingbird would b a bit dark and disturbing. I think I’ll wait on that one for at least a few more yrs.

      • 05/29/2013 at 9:13 pm

        Jill to kill a mocking bird was grade 4 or 5 at our school.. so around 9/10 just FYI

      • Jill
        05/29/2013 at 9:28 pm

        Ok, Ty syn! I can’t believe its read at that age. It has such dark and scary parts. …I think a normal girl would b ok with it, but my dear daughter is on the sensitive side. But, she definitely needs to read it! I’ll give it another year or so. Ty!

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 9:30 pm

        You know best, no question, I would just offer to consider that some movies can seem, or even be, dark and still be desirable and useful for an emerging personality. Young boys and girls have the capacity to imagine all sorts of things and even when very young, the Grimm Fairy tales – some of them very grim indeed – satisfy the need to hear about “monsters” time and again as a form of releasing them from their conscious minds(The Uses of Enchantment by Bruno Bettleheim is an excellent read on this topic). The Diary of Anne Frank is another dark film with resonance. (She was 10 when she started her diary). Another film -also in b&wand of some depth is The Miracle Worker about 10 year old Helen Keller and her teacher, Just thoughts, not advice. You know best by instinct and there are good film guides to assist you,

      • Jill
        05/29/2013 at 9:44 pm

        Ty Robert! You have great opinions and i love to hear what u have to say! We loved the miracle worker! And we’ve read anne frank, but haven’t seen the movie. Also, fun movies are good for the soul too! ET, Mr. Bean, Wallace and Gromit, My Bodyguard, Karate Kid….

        Sorry OT….

        Btw, I just heard the judge spent about an hour and half with the jury after trial…

    • Beans
      05/29/2013 at 9:20 pm

      My No 1 film is “McCabe and Mrs. Miller”.

      • Jill
        05/29/2013 at 9:34 pm

        Oh Beans, I better wait a few yrs for that one. Lol!

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 9:53 pm

        I have a fluctuating top 10, depending on mood. Listed in changeable order:

        The Wizard of Oz
        Casablanca
        The Godfather / Godfather II
        Double Indemnity
        Rio Bravo
        White Heat
        Vertigo
        City Lights
        Some Like it Hot

      • Jill
        05/29/2013 at 10:48 pm

        Sounds like a great list! Have u seen Lost Weekend or Maltese Falcon?

    • Anna
      05/30/2013 at 8:24 am

      Roberto, you are probably too smart for your own good….lol? Me no likey the kill mockingbirdy cuz its our state’s bird and i’d go to jail if i killed one i think….but they can be REAL mean birds, i’m tellin’ ya….be nice to them at all costs!

      I am not posting a list of movies for daughters on this website.

      • Jill
        05/30/2013 at 10:58 am

        Didn’t want you to post any “list of movies for daughters”, Anna.
        You and I were merely talking about movies for a minute after you posted the Sound of Music song. I asked if you had any other good ones since you just finished telling me you had a 16 yr old daughter. I was expecting a simple sentence or two. I’m not looking for any lists from anyone. And, just as much as anyone on here, I do know the sole reason for this site!

  135. MMD
    05/29/2013 at 9:02 pm

    Juror #6 is back on Dr. Drew tonight. Plus NBC is airing a special for all the victims of the Oklahoma tornado now for anyone who is interested.

    • Jill
      05/29/2013 at 9:32 pm

      Ty, caught it just in time!

  136. 05/29/2013 at 9:11 pm

    way too hard to catch up on sandbox at the moment so much fun and frivolity … you lot seem to be enjoying making sandcastles and digging in with the spades in the sunny weather.. have fun and see yas later 😀

    **waves**

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/29/2013 at 9:17 pm

      bye!! see you the morrow!!

    • Beans
      05/29/2013 at 9:43 pm

      yeah, we’ve had a few yuks. It’s the only way to remain sane.

    • Family of Law
      05/29/2013 at 10:27 pm

      Did I miss you? Come back!!!!!

  137. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/29/2013 at 9:14 pm

    MMD :
    Robert – pay attention- Fol’s son is already in Law School and in one course all they did was discuss this case so in essence, he’s pre-university (kinda like premed). I think he is waiting anxiously for his acceptance letter because I’m sure he wrote one heck of an essay about the case plus you know how tough it is to get in………..and there is that massive wait list

    I dont get this my dear. Let’s review. FOL said her “son” knew of “wobo.” I started to write “High School” and changed to middle school as a Hail Mary pass. Kid says wobo kinda thing.
    So, unless she made much mention of her college age son, in recent posts, I don’t know where I would have “read” otherwise. Your ball.

    Second,FOL says he’s “finishing” up his first year in law school; and you say he’s trying to get into law school. What’s up with that? Your ball.

    Third, I can’t remember.

    • 05/29/2013 at 9:16 pm

      the third one is a doozy..

    • MMD
      05/29/2013 at 9:33 pm

      I like the 3rd one the best!!!

      1. Robert you have been here for ages and I specifically remember ROL discussing her son in law school and about his class spending quite a long time on this trial. Bear in mind, I don’t remember how long ago it was. Plus her name FAMILY of LAW should have been a clue. Plus she has made numerous references to her son being away at school.

      2. I did not say he was trying to get INTO law school. I said he was pre-university, as in, pre Donchais University. I tried to make him beyond Donchais middle school, high school and in college, but not yet ready for DONCHAIS University. After all, you were talking about getting them young and groomed so that he would be ready to attend Donchais University.

      Any other questions darlin’????? or is it time for me to go to sleep??????? 😀

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 9:55 pm

        No Thank you. I am part of the 61% that doesnt quite see every nook in the shelf, You know what I mean?

      • Family of Law
        05/29/2013 at 10:12 pm

        My dear MMD, I do believe you have “Rear” all squared away, and up on the facts (accept one itty bitty clarification, they didn’t discuss the trial at length, so much as they used this trial to discuss the influence of social media in high profile cases).

        Very sleepy (manhood intact) pup on the floor next to me, is getting disturbed by my laughing as I scroll through what I’ve missed!!!!

        *Beans, I’m really going to want one of those freshly minted business cards!

    • 05/29/2013 at 11:08 pm

      I didnt know about FoL’s son in either.. and for the longest time I thought ‘sweet boy’ was FoL’s son because the two were kind of confusing not knowing the history behind the two stories… just very very recently Ive kind of figured out that sweet boy is actually a horse and I had no idea where I the sone idea had come from but now figure it must have been confused in with sweet boy because of references to this son. So it must go back a while.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/30/2013 at 1:19 am

        So. Lets get this down. You thought her “son” was a “horse” and ergo I should have known about her “son” who was in law school. since it “went back awhile?” Guess that’s the Melbourne Methodology at work.

  138. Ci Ci's Circle
    05/29/2013 at 9:20 pm

    Has anyone read this article? Good reading!

    O-hey! It’s Veronica ‏@VJJones1249 4h
    This is SUCH an awesome read on #Jodiarias and her/lawyers tactics. Awesome. A++

    http://wendymurphylaw.com/jodi-hannibal-lecter-arias/

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/29/2013 at 9:31 pm

      third time is the charm, ladies, Third time, the charm..

    • Jill
      05/29/2013 at 11:55 pm

      Yes, it was excellent! I learned so much! Ty CiCi!

  139. ringadingding
    05/29/2013 at 9:31 pm

    Okay, here’s a puzzle that does not involve tricksy questions that hide in plain sight:

    JA will not show remorse because a) she’s not remorseful b) she thinks she’s not supposed to show remorse if she murdered in self-defense, or c) both a and b. I think it’s both a and b because she seems to really have to work at applying the correct emotional response to situations–it takes her a long time and a lot of lip licking–made worse in this case because she’s not remorseful. I think I see this most clearly when she’s asked if she would do anything differently, such as turn herself in and not tell so many lies about what happened. She can’t answer that question, so she equivocates, says yes but also that she doesn’t know. She knows she’s supposed to say that she would turn herself in, but something stops her, something that’s closer to the truth. What is it? This puzzles me because it would be so easy for her to say she would do things differently. Is it because she feels it would harm her chances on appeal? If so, I still don’t see how.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/29/2013 at 10:07 pm

      Well ,you hit the nail on its head. I can’t decide. I almost fell off the chair when she said “I know some of you think I wasn’t abused.” I mean “some”? The vote was unanimous for pre-med. Who? And why even say it? Did she know?

      I thought she would acknowledge the guilt they found of her. I just never thought she’d not only NOT show remorse or understanding or grief, she would actually maintain her stubborn, not credible, version of what happened.The balls! The chutzpah! She still doesnt get it! Or does she?

      • 05/29/2013 at 10:31 pm

        quick answer.. saw an article from someone in the court who said Foreman ‘Joe’ blatantly nodded during LaLas testimony. NOT just a single not.. a number of continuous nods. I think this is in a blog by Camille Kimball (?spelling?)

        No doubt Jodistien or someone noticed this too and knew there was at least one LaLa sympathiser on that jury.

        I did not know this when I wrote my original opinion (reposted above) based only on the very first interview he gave… but it backs up my interpretations and slotted in to what had occured.

      • 05/29/2013 at 10:37 pm

        … and more importantly knew who it was.. which further backs up my deduction in my initial post

        “Likely when it was confirmed to her juror 18 was the foreman she would have been giddy as school girl. “Jen Jen, it’s him it’s him!!” ”

        They would have known HE was the lala Toilette sympathiser hence “feeling betrayed” at the guilty murder one verdict.

        It all fits when you have that extra piece and ties in my thoughts to the full picture with that one piece of evidence.

      • ringadingding
        05/30/2013 at 9:15 am

        The head nodding explains so much! Wow. Thanks for that tidbit. She was so certain that there was a friend on the jury…and yes, Robert, she’s got quite a pair of bionic balls to say “I know some of you think I was abused…”

    • Family of Law
      05/29/2013 at 10:47 pm

      Good puzzle!!! I think she will NEVER apologize, or show true remorse- that would mean she’d have to admit that her entire defense is a lie. She likes being the poster child for “Domestic Violence” (remember, it’s the ONLY reason she agreed to do her “media blitz”! She’s just trying to help spread the word about how important it is to “document the abuse”!) Ack!

      I’m pretty sure that she thinks she did a great job the first time around, she just had a really bad jury, it’s not her fault…. So she’ll repeat her performance. She is far too narcissistic to see any reason to believe she did anything wrong. And if this jury gives her the DP, it will be because of the media bias, her lawyers are not as smart as her, Juan was a bully and the jury is really stupid.

      • ringadingding
        05/30/2013 at 9:22 am

        You know, you’ve got a great point FOL. It’s the victim role. Also, she really is the poster child for domestic violence, just not the way she’d like everyone to think. It would be a great media campaign to show people that DV comes in all sorts of packages.

    • 05/29/2013 at 11:04 pm

      no puzzle here.. she doesn’t feel like normal people so she has no idea what to say when and because she never wants to say the wrong this.. she simply hedges.

      • 05/29/2013 at 11:06 pm

        wrong this = wrong thing 🙄

      • Lisa M
        05/29/2013 at 11:19 pm

        So true. But isn’t it a strange effect when we know she’s lying but she doesn’t know that we know she’s lying? Or does she know that we know? I get the feeling she doesn’t know which makes her seem cognitively challenged and maybe is the reason Dr. DeMarte gave her the IQ test.

      • 05/29/2013 at 11:23 pm

        Im quite sure she knows and just sees it as a bigger challenge.. what needs to be remembered this is one of the few ways psychopaths actually feel pleasure.

      • ringadingding
        05/30/2013 at 9:30 am

        Oh, so the pleasure is in playing with our beliefs? She knows we know what she’s about, but the challenge is to frustrate us with her persistence in the opposite?

        One of the scenarios mentioned above, the “mental breakdown” she tells Flores she had with the former boyfriend (Brewer), fascinates me because it sounded as if the boyfriend broke her down by not allowing her to finish a thought…she would start to speak and he would talk over her or interrupt her. If this scenario is true (which, coming from JA, it’s hard to trust), then she was actually on the receiving end of a mind game. I’ve heard that interrupting someone’s thoughts before they have a chance to form and be fully voiced is a way to get an emotional rise out of someone, to frustrated them into losing their cool.

    • Lisa M
      05/29/2013 at 11:13 pm

      I think it’s a and b. One thing that really got me during the TV interviews was when the reporter she called a hater ( who actually did hate her– you could see the loathing in his eyes) asked her if she’d ever tell the truth about what happened in the bathroom and she looked incredulous and said that what shed said happened was the truth. It was so ridiculous. You just want to shake her and say, The jig is up, don’t you know that? Everyone knows you’re lying, your story is absolutely ludicrous. You’ve been convicted, you look like an idiot sitting there repeating the lies we’ve already dissected and discarded. I wish I could think of the right word to describe her misguided belief in her own credibility. Naïveté maybe. Or just stupidity? Maybe that’s it.

      • 05/29/2013 at 11:37 pm

        ok.. quickie before I fly and forgive inevitable typos. Mistake is thinking she feels as we do.. she doesn’t! She doesn’t care if we think she is lying.. she just wants to continue her game and hope to god at least some people believe her… and look at the no DP… 30% of that jury believed her.. that means she completely duped 33.333% (1/3) that’s quite a feat considering how ridiculous everything about her is.

        When thinking about her and why she does what she does it needs to be put it into context with her psychopathy… NOT a normal persons parameters. She doesn’t think or feel like we do. She has no conscience.. no true sense of embarrassment like we do.

      • Family of Law
        05/29/2013 at 11:59 pm

        Syn, then no doubt she felt “betrayed” by the jury’s unanimous votes for Guilty of M1 and Cruelty. She didn’t fool100% them the 1st two times.

  140. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/29/2013 at 9:59 pm

    So FOL_ Have you read Scott Turow’s “L” (think is title)his book on first year law school?
    Also, were you a “Paper Chase” Tv follower? I enjoyed the way they wove the case studied into a ‘real life’ sample. Also had this image of 4 or so brothers making up the “family” of law. Recently, it was of one brother. So, when MMD wakes up, you can tell her that WHEN you discussed your son “at law school” is wasn’t THAT recent? Thanks!

    • Family of Law
      05/29/2013 at 10:23 pm

      I doubt my son read it, he’s terrible about reading for pleasure- I read “Presumed Innocent” and “The Burden of Proof”, both were good reads.

      Paper Chase was a great show!!!! I had a big crush on Timothy Bottoms… My Dad said (every episode, ad nauseum) that the John Housman character reminded him of a law professor he detested. I haven’t thought of that show in years!

      My Dad was a prosecutor, later on a judge, and I have four older brothers, all attorneys. I’m the black sheep, baaaaaaaaaah.

      I will remind MMD that the mention of my son being at Univ of Chicago was many, many weeks ago- you are well excused!

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 10:39 pm

        Phew! OK . Thanks. Turow’s book’s book on First year of Law was readable and struck me as within the norm for most top schools. I am somewhat familiar with the profession.
        I also liked Turow’s PI (of course) and stayed with his second BP? but the third book – a big fat one about fathers, I got half way through and said, that’s it ST, on to the many others, miles of books to read before I sleep. Happened to me with John Irving, Joyce Carol Oates, John Gardner, Philip Roth Good, very good, classic writers -sometimes 3 is a limit for me anyway.

        Wife, the exact opposite – surprise surprise – she reads ALL – like 10 or 20 or 30 – of particular authors. She gets to know all her authors very personally; I have a good chat with mine,; spend quality time, but move along.

      • Family of Law
        05/29/2013 at 11:13 pm

        I will look for “L”, it’s sounds interesting (and might provide insight as to why my beloved son has been “short” with me these past couple of weeks whilst cramming the books! Lol)

        I loved “Prayer for Owen Meany” and “The World According to Garp”. I just finished reading Ken Follett’s “Pillars of the Earth”, and LOVED it, so I’m now reading the sequel, “World Without End”…

    • Family of Law
      05/29/2013 at 10:26 pm

      Oops, I misread your Q… No I have not read “L” – would you reccomend it?

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/29/2013 at 10:40 pm

        (see above, its a short read, vivid and true,

  141. Allison
    05/29/2013 at 10:17 pm

    “Arias admitted in subsequent interviews that she intentionally came up with project ideas in order to manipulate jurors by appealing to their specific interests.”

    This is a quote from Wendy Murphy’s article about “Porn . . .” and the unethical things th defense did.

    What interviews did Jodi say this – ???

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/29/2013 at 10:24 pm

      Good question.Seeing it out of context gives it a disingenuous ,rather than an informational, veneer.

    • nyccowgirl
      05/30/2013 at 3:19 am

      during her media blitz, she had noted that she had a variety of ideas to appeal to different people. it’s actually not as disingenuous once you actually see the interview. they had a mitigation specialist and i’m sure other experts that helped to profile the jurors: locks of love – someone is bound to have had a love one go through cancer and/or perhaps one of the jurors; recycling to appeal to the environmentalist; art to appeal to the creative folks on the jury; sign language as one of the jurors specifically needed a hearing device throughout the entire trial, etc.

      • 05/30/2013 at 8:00 am

        This is Jodi’s forte. She has honed this talent since develping self awareness. She needs no help in this regard. She would be in the top few perscentile at inately reading people for exactly that reason.

        it is second nature to her. It’s long passed her needing to consciously do it though in this case she would have been because her life depended on it.

        Psychopath 101. First thing: learn to cover own lack of emotional range. Detect sympathy, empathy etc in others. Copy it then use it to advantage.

  142. 05/29/2013 at 11:00 pm

    Robert exits Rotterdam :
    I almost fell off the chair when she said “I know some of you think I wasn’t abused.” I mean “some”? The vote was unanimous for pre-med. Who? And why even say it? Did she know?

    This may well answer that… and ties in with why I believe she said it too.

    ______________

    http://camillekimball.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/jury-foreman-for-jodi-arias-crime.html

    Zervakos said he felt Travis Alexander had “mentally and verbally abused” Jodi. He was “sure in his mind,” he said firmly.

    . Juror number eighteen, who turns out to be William Zervakos, sat in the back row at the west end of the jury box and therefore near us in the gallery

    I had often watched Zervakos during the trial.

    Whenever I spotted him there, I had a kneejerk reaction of instantly reviewing in my mind any conversation I’d had in the last 30 minutes or double checking the positioning of my laptop screen for visibility to others.
    [hmmm]

    ..one day I tweeted to my followers that I saw a juror nodding in agreement with a witness. I can now disclose that the juror I watched nod his head positively in concurrence with a witness was number 18, William Zervakis. It came when one of the trial’s psychologists was saying that what happens to us as children, especially abuse, shapes who we become as adults. [LaLa Toilette]

    He did it in a most definite way, not just one vague dip of the chin but a clear series of nods to several statements from the stand.

    • 05/29/2013 at 11:01 pm

      oops meant to reference I took excerpt out off that full by Camille Kimball article link there.

      • Lisa M
        05/30/2013 at 6:12 am

        Syntara: “When thinking about her and why she does what she does it needs to be put it into context with her psychopathy… NOT a normal persons parameters. She doesn’t think or feel like we do. She has no conscience.. no true sense of embarrassment like we do.”

        Ah! Thanks for clarifying. That is exactly the missing piece of the puzzle for me, that she has no sense of embarrassment. And what you said earlier that the duping is one of the only way she feels pleasure. That explains the twisted look on her face during the interview — the one Mikee D kept pausing– and also why doing those interviews would be so important to her. Psychopaths are like creatures from another planet. They’re so completely abnormal.

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 10:46 am

      That’s why my first reaction to his comments was that he had someone, maybe a daughter/sister/mother who had been verbally/emotionally abused. He was just sooooo adamant about it. Now to find out he was the one nodding to ALV it convinces me even more. What say you darlin’???????

  143. Family of Law
    05/29/2013 at 11:18 pm

    Syntara :
    I didnt know about FoL’s son in either.. and for the longest time I thought ‘sweet boy’ was FoL’s son because the two were kind of confusing not knowing the history behind the two stories… just very very recently Ive kind of figured out that sweet boy is actually a horse and I had no idea where I the sone idea had come from but now figure it must have been confused in with sweet boy because of references to this son. So it must go back a while.

    OMG, laughing at my son being confused with “Sweet Boy” a rescue horse…. My son probably wishes he received as many treats and nose rubs from the kind peeps here! Lol!!!!!

  144. 05/29/2013 at 11:30 pm

    omg I really shouldnt post stuff on the run! Typos galore and now I’ve got something in moderation for the first time in ages. OK sign I should really be concentrating on work not splitting my attention…. so will catch you lot later! 😀

  145. nyccowgirl
    05/30/2013 at 12:24 am

    i apologize if this has already been stated but az supreme court declined DT’s petition.

    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2013/05/jodi_arias_trial_arizona_supre.php

    on different news, both mmd’s hubby and the judge were assigned to chrisman case. wonder if this will result in additional delays for JA case.

    and jurors noted that the ‘hunky horn’ is hotter in real life!

    • Jill
      05/30/2013 at 11:18 am

      Hi NYcowgirl, Ty for the link. I thought it was strange that the judge forgot to mention one of the most horrific part of this..the way wobo sliced his throat.

      Stephens went on to write:

      The court’s findings in August 2009 support that court’s determination the victim suffered both physically and mentally regardless of when the wounds were inflicted, and that the defendant knew or should have known that the victim would suffer.
      In its ruling, the court noted the victim was stabbed 27 times, had defensive wounds from grabbing the knife and was shot on the right side of his head.
      The bullet lodged in the victim’s left cheek. The defendant told police the victim was unconscious after being shot but crawled around and was stabbed.

      • MMD
        05/30/2013 at 11:47 am

        Jill did you happen to notice the first comment by mandymarie7835, totally and absolutely disgusting 👿 Looks like the loons (no offense to the bird) are out, sadly!!!!

      • 05/30/2013 at 12:29 pm

        wth? The defendant told police the victim was unconscious after being shot but crawled around and was stabbed.

        Another botched mini version prior to the ‘fog’ because she couldnt keep her story straight in what happened while she stabbed him?

      • Jill
        05/30/2013 at 12:39 pm

        On my goodness, MMD. I didn’t know there was a comment section after the article. I just went back and checked and can’t believe what I saw.
        These people need to b rounded up and put away before they, too, butcher someone. Disgusting is right!

      • ringadingding
        05/30/2013 at 12:43 pm

        The absurdity of that lie (being unconscious, yet crawling around) is downright breathtaking.

  146. 05/30/2013 at 12:39 am

    I can’t recall, is wobo able to receive visitors at this time (not her attys), and is this to last until when?

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 2:54 pm

      dunno – need a legal eagle for that one but I figured I’d at least give you a non-answer 😉

  147. nyccowgirl
    05/30/2013 at 1:09 am

    maybe wobo should donate to her bff

    • Anna
      05/30/2013 at 8:32 am

      LMAO!!! ya know, i donated to Locks of Love last November and now i feel gross about it….what if my hair got mixed in with her’s? ACK but just kidding really.

  148. nyccowgirl
    05/30/2013 at 3:33 am

    Unprecedented Domestic Violence Study Affirms Need to Recognize Male Victims

    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/5/prweb10741752.htm

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 11:11 am

      It’s about time that a study came out about this. Maybe JM can use it in the penalty phase as well as get someone to send a copy of it to ALV, marked REQUIRED READING!!!! Thanks nyc 🙂

    • Jill
      05/30/2013 at 11:26 am

      “…a need to pay more attention to female-perpetrated violence,….. and the needs of male victims.”

    • ringadingding
      05/30/2013 at 12:28 pm

      Does anyone here think that young girls are becoming more violent? I know that teen girls can be awfully mean. An acquaintance of mine who has a son in high school says they are absolutely cruel…and I took this to mean emotionally damaging. But it also seems, just from the media, that there’s more physical violence than there used to be. If so, I suppose Angela Simpson would be pleased to know that. She did feel the gender imbalance needed to be improved.

      • 05/30/2013 at 12:36 pm

        yep ties in with my age comment the other day

        “Notice those who fall for her [bullshite]…. there seems to be a theme in this trial at least .. Gus Searcy, Dr Dodgy, Jury Foreman even extending to laLa Brewer, who was nearly 20 years older than her.”

        over 50 and culture they grew up with vastly different than sexually empowered girls of today.

      • Jill
        05/30/2013 at 12:43 pm

        Very scary. I worry a lot about these types of young girls as my daughter gets older. She’s in elementary school and there have been a few very mean, angry girls. And, this isn’t to be confused with the snobby, mean girls we all had around when we were young; these girls seem angry and emotionally unstable.

      • ringadingding
        05/30/2013 at 12:57 pm

        Jill, I would be worried, too. I know someone who took her girls out of private school because of this (that’s right, private school). She opted to home school for a while.

      • MMD
        05/30/2013 at 1:12 pm

        All I know is that I wouldn’t want to bringing up a child these days. Look at the amount of girls who are committing suicide simply from the cyber bullying that is going on from other girls. It’s truly a scary world out there these days.

      • Jill
        05/30/2013 at 1:59 pm

        It’s funny you said that ringading because I always have it in the back of my head whether I should take her out of public school and put her in private.

  149. 05/30/2013 at 7:19 am

    Robert exits Rotterdam :
    So. Lets get this down. You thought her “son” was a “horse” and ergo I should have known about her “son” who was in law school. since it “went back awhile?” Guess that’s the Melbourne Methodology at work.

    Rhobherr You replied this to me. I think you are confusing me with MMD

    It was MMD who said something about you and FoL’s son… I am just saying well I’m worse I thought sweet boy was FoL’s son for a long time simply because I didn’t have the bacground stories either. Think you are still a little off kilter.

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 11:01 am

      Syn I had just mentioned to him the other day that I thought he was back to normal 😆 I am half laughing/crying rereading these comments. 😀

  150. 05/30/2013 at 8:32 am

    Family of Law :
    Syn, then no doubt she felt “betrayed” by the jury’s unanimous votes for Guilty of M1 and Cruelty. She didn’t fool100% them the 1st two times.

    zegactly!!! esp Foreman Bill who she’d seen nodding during lala’s 45667 days on the stand.

    • Family of Law
      05/30/2013 at 12:24 pm

      Foreman Bill nodding in agreement to LaToilette’s BS is very telling about his skewed brain. I have a few friends in their late fifties and early sixties, and none of them are as naive as Bill appears to be. So is it age? It has to be a combo of factors…. It bothered me that juror (alternate #10, I think) noted that she thought gender was not the common denominator with the 4, but age was, they were all older.

      • 05/30/2013 at 12:43 pm

        I think it’s age and type of person too.. not just age.. I mean look at CC’sC.. that lot are what I think 58-74ish?? and they sure arent buying her crap either! So age yes.. but also personality type too.

      • 05/30/2013 at 12:46 pm

        so maybe those oler who set in their ways years ago. Lala showed she lacked progression in her thinking she knew nothing of research in the last 20 odd years or at least ignored if

  151. ringadingding
    05/30/2013 at 9:33 am

    Syntara :
    ok.. Mistake is thinking she feels as we do.. she doesn’t!….When thinking about her and why she does what she does it needs to be put it into context with her psychopathy… NOT a normal persons parameters. She doesn’t think or feel like we do. She has no conscience.. no true sense of embarrassment like we do.

    Arrgghh…why do I keep forgetting this?

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 11:07 am

      Because you’re normal ring!!!! I just go with the example that someone used here a few days ago (probably Syn but anyone feel free to correct me) that JA was like a box with nothing inside. That’s the way I try to explain her to people who have not watched this trial and haven’t attended Syn’s classes.

      • 05/30/2013 at 12:15 pm

        Mickee D used the box as a visual aid in his video…..I used she’s an empty shell.

      • ringadingding
        05/30/2013 at 12:23 pm

        Thanks for that, MMD. I may need to print it out and show it to my family. 😉

    • 05/30/2013 at 12:24 pm

      because this is the hardest part for any of us ‘normals’ to accept. We are brought up believing we all have consciences we are not taught there are mutants out there who literally don’t.

  152. ringadingding
    05/30/2013 at 10:03 am

    I really want to hear from more jurors. I want to know what happened on the day of the no verdict verdict…how that played out, if they understood that signing that form meant the penalty phase would be declared a mistrial, if they discussed the consequences of not reaching a verdict, and if they’d sent the “question” to the judge that morning, what did they think of having to wait all day for it to be announced by the judge? That last part confuses me because if the question they sent that morning was the no-verdict verdict, why did the judge seal it until the afternoon? Unless it was a different question. If so, what was the effing question that final morning?

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 11:03 am

      I want to know what question #2 was because the sealed one she called #3???????

      • ringadingding
        05/30/2013 at 12:21 pm

        Yes, either #1 or #2. It was never clear to me if there had been a question prior to the first one we heard in open court, when the judge told them to get back in there and keep deliberating.

  153. MMD
    05/30/2013 at 10:58 am

    Syntara :
    I didnt know about FoL’s son in either.. and for the longest time I thought ‘sweet boy’ was FoL’s son because the two were kind of confusing not knowing the history behind the two stories… just very very recently I’ve kind of figured out that sweet boy is actually a horse and I had no idea where I the some idea had come from but now figure it must have been confused in with sweet boy because of references to this son. So it must go back a while.

    You mean to say that when Soldier Boy/Sweet Boy/Mama’s Boy was being referred to you thought that was FoL’s son?????? That is hilarious 😀 I guess you really thought her son was extra, extra special with all the names he has been given. 😆

    Soldier Boy – named by son because he felt he (as in the horse) needed a boost to his self esteem after the abuse he suffered (remember he was stabbed with a pitchfork along with horrific neglect)
    Sweet Boy – what FOL calls him
    Mama’s Boy – what I refer to him as

    Syn, can you please explain how I can remember all this but not something from an hour ago ❓ ❓ ❓ Is dementia hitting me? 😦

    • Family of Law
      05/30/2013 at 12:11 pm

      MMD… I’m in fits of giggles here! This has indeed gotten outta hand! Lol! But you my dear, get a “gold star” for memory! No signs of dementia here!

    • 05/30/2013 at 12:13 pm

      Exactly!!! All that time at those mentions I had thought wow he’s a ‘bit’ of a mommas boy’ alright.. if ya know what I mean.. but I just kept quiet….. cos I thought solidier boy he must be a soldier.. then someone else called him sweet boy cos he was a soldier… and mamas boy cos FoL fawned over him so much. I had no idea there was a horse involved….. but…

      ….then just lately when his stable was being cleared of manure and his nose was being rubbedI realised ooohhhhhhh he’s a horse!!! Then I was thinking ok must be Mr Ed cos he was studying?? … about there I realised the two stories were not one!

      As for the pitchfork. oh nooo that must have been before I joined cos reading this now is the first time I’ve known about that.. oh that’s soo sad…good that he is in such caring hands now.

      • Family of Law
        05/30/2013 at 12:44 pm

        Lol!!!! Mr. Ed made it to Aussie land? Lol!!!! Yes, Sam WISHES he was as pampered and doted upon! An occasional nose rub and treat would surely delight him!

        I have scolded said son, and in HS grounded him, but NEVER did I use a pitchfork, just sayin! LoL!!!

      • Jill
        05/30/2013 at 12:45 pm

        Lol. Hilarious, Syn!

      • MMD
        05/30/2013 at 12:55 pm

        So in other words, you figured that FOL’s son was a spoiled only as so many assume we only’s are 😯

        To further your info, FOL’s family has been involved in dressage, etc. for many years but as time has gone on have downsized. Now they foster animals in need, like even a pig at one time. The thing with Soldier/Sweet/Mama’s is that FOL has fallen in love with him and is keeping him. His best friend is Mama Cat, who just had a litter of babies, which I distinctly remember you asking about.

        As for son Sam, who just completed his first year of law school, THINKS that Seamus is HIS dog but FOL is never, ever gonna give him up. Ya know that 9/10th law about possession 😆 Seamus is now the owner of a brand new, top of the line, set of neuticles, courtesy of FOL’s hubby! 😀 That’s the Cliff Notes version of the family 🙂

      • Family of Law
        05/30/2013 at 1:07 pm

        OMG MMD! I’m going to have you pen my memoir!!!!! Entitled, “My Life, A Search for Neuticles”

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/30/2013 at 1:17 pm

        and she says I’m “off kilter.” rolls eyes

  154. MMD
    05/30/2013 at 12:05 pm

    Where is everybody in the sandbox today??? 😦

    • Anna
      05/30/2013 at 12:11 pm

      i’m in the right hand corner with my pink bucket. Where are you?

  155. Anna
    05/30/2013 at 12:09 pm

    Jill :
    Didn’t want you to post any “list of movies for daughters”, Anna.
    You and I were merely talking about movies for a minute after you posted the Sound of Music song. I asked if you had any other good ones since you just finished telling me you had a 16 yr old daughter. I was expecting a simple sentence or two. I’m not looking for any lists from anyone. And, just as much as anyone on here, I do know the sole reason for this site!

    Thank you Jill. I know that the reason for this site is the Alexander Family, but then i kinda feel like we’re all one big joined family sometimes. I didn’t mean to be rude, but sometimes that’s exactly what i seem like…..i’d just love to share a list with you but via email….mmkay? Thanks again, Jill. You seem like a sweetheart. What corner of the world are you in if you don’t mind me prying? 😀

    • Jill
      05/30/2013 at 12:54 pm

      Hi Anna, no worries! We are all here because we have huge hearts and care, so I know if anyone ever appears rude, it is just most likely that the post is probably being read wrong, or they are tired and cranky. You seem like a sweetheart too!
      I’m from Henderson, NV. How bout u?

  156. Anna
    05/30/2013 at 12:16 pm

    welp, you prob knew this was coming (deal with it but please laugh as you listen to the last couple lines of the song….”would it spoil some vast eternal plan” is just funny, okay?):

    • Jill
      05/30/2013 at 12:57 pm

      Love it….On the “list”, lol…..

    • Beans
      05/30/2013 at 1:35 pm

      Thanks Anna, love this film and especially this song. I had a full body rush going on hearing it again.

  157. Family of Law
    05/30/2013 at 12:54 pm

    So, the Lifetime “Jodi Arias, Dirty Little Secret” movie is scheduled to air on June 22nd! BEFORE a new jury has been empaneled? This IS SO WRONG! I think it needs to be stopped, let them air their sensationalized garbage after sentancing!

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 12:57 pm

      So wrong on so many levels FOL!!! But do you think that the network cares that it is 2 days after the June 20th status meeting????????? Of course not!!!!!! 👿

    • ringadingding
      05/30/2013 at 12:59 pm

      Yes, and I object to the name of the channel, on the grounds that it will bias the jury. Is there a DP movie channel?

      • MMD
        05/30/2013 at 1:02 pm

        Good point ring about the name of the channel!!!! I never watch anything on it but ya know that this movie will give Wurmi another reason to try and either call for a mistrial or to get off the case 😉

      • Family of Law
        05/30/2013 at 1:09 pm

        Ringading!!!! That is hysterical!!!!

      • 05/30/2013 at 1:21 pm

        hahahahaha! but yes it is wrong there should be some kind of court injunction.. can the judge step in if she knows???

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 1:00 pm

      The Alexander Family will be so raw from that meeting and knowing that the retrial is coming up so quickly on July 18th. Truly inconsiderate.

    • 05/30/2013 at 1:15 pm

      Maybe the Judge needs to step in and not allow it to air until the trial is completely over, that would make more sense.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/30/2013 at 1:28 pm

        not the Judge’s jurisdiction. The “Lifetime” folks could tell her to jump in a sandbox.

  158. MMD
    05/30/2013 at 12:58 pm

    FOL just did a Cliff Notes version below your post to Syn on your family to straighten her out 😉

    • Family of Law
      05/30/2013 at 1:17 pm

      Lol! Yes (upstairs) I have appointed you to write my memoirs!

  159. janeto
    05/30/2013 at 1:15 pm

    I’m buried in the sand from yesterday when SOMEONE covered me up throwing sand at us!! HELP SYN & ROBERT!! Get your shovels & dig me out !! I can breathe! & of course, anyone else in the sandbox now with a shovel of course!!! 😆

    • Family of Law
      05/30/2013 at 1:19 pm

      The sand kicker dismissed himself, he doesn’t like playing with us anymore. Took his pail and shovel with him.

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/30/2013 at 1:26 pm

        well, before I got to show him the gate.

    • janeto
      05/30/2013 at 1:21 pm

      Damn phone! I meant I can’t breathe!!! Anna, get ur pink shovel n get me up outta here!!!

      • 05/30/2013 at 1:24 pm

        janeto.. what you doing buried under there??? get up silly girl! 😛 Hope you had a straw!

  160. 05/30/2013 at 1:18 pm

    MMD and FoL yayaya I knew about than the Kitty having rats.. which now are not doubt looking like proper kitties.. though of course not as cute as my pusscats…:P especially Choc-field just sayin 😛

    FoL …. OH yeah.. I grew up without media of pretty much any kind at least well into my teens but whenever visited Aus Mr Ed was a must in the afternoons.. then I heard they made him ‘talk’ with chilli powder and I was horrified! I hope that wasn’t true!! by the way my pusscat is definitely related to Mr Ed I think….lucky she can’t use the phone or computer I’m sure she would cause all kinds of trouble whenever left alone 😯

    • Family of Law
      05/30/2013 at 1:28 pm

      Formerly fugly rats are now adorable fuzz balls! However, they cannot yet use stubby pencils nor have they ever offered needles… Your Mr. Ed pusscat is developmentally miles ahead!

      Sadly, I think the chilli powder rumor may be true… You didn’t grow up in Oz? No media till teen years? No wonder your brain is fully intact- mine was damaged early on with “Gilligans Island”, “Brady Bunch” and “Bewitched”!

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/30/2013 at 1:36 pm

        reminded me–Mikee D’ s video of “The Shady Bunch” could use some voices. I love the guy and the lyrics were funny, but the singing! OMG. Farm that one out Mikee…

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 1:37 pm

      No not really chili powder. That would be cruel. I wasn’t allowed to watch tv during the week when I was growing up. Totally a pain. It was always, well, if you finished your homework, practiced the piano then read a book – so I did!

  161. Lisa
    05/30/2013 at 1:20 pm

    Syntara :
    yep ties in with my age comment the other day
    “Notice those who fall for her [bullshite]…. there seems to be a theme in this trial at least .. Gus Searcy, Dr Dodgy, Jury Foreman even extending to laLa Brewer, who was nearly 20 years older than her.”
    over 50 and culture they grew up with vastly different than sexually empowered girls of today.

    I’m not sure it has anything to do with age. It may have resonated with his own personal experience and need to see her as a victim, so that fit with what he needed to hear. I think we tread on dangerous ground when we group people according to age or gender.

    • 05/30/2013 at 1:25 pm

      culture is a major part of behavioural science LIsa-M

      • ringadingding
        05/30/2013 at 2:29 pm

        Thank you for that important reminder. Race, gender, culture…these are the lenses through which we see, interpret and respond to our world(s). If something is coming at us that we don’t have experience with, due to background or culture, we can’t see it. I recall a story about a shaman in (I think) the West Indies who was the only one to spot tall ships on the horizon and sense danger. No one else could “see” them because there was no reference point.

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 1:41 pm

      Still think he has a family member who has suffered from emotional/verbal abuse…………… just sayin……….

  162. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/30/2013 at 1:23 pm

    Pail patrol on the run! Brooms and shovels in tow! get to janeto! (and I was thinking that all that talk of neuticles had to do with a horse, not a dog. Jesus. The things we go through!)

    • janeto
      05/30/2013 at 1:29 pm

      Robert!!! Pail patrol! H u r r y!!! Damn jay!! 😦

      • 05/30/2013 at 1:37 pm

        what has Jay got to do with Janeto?????? I’m in the dark here!!

      • ringadingding
        05/30/2013 at 2:50 pm

        I think he zipped up his pants and scrammed, but Robert was close behind with his shovel. It’s really hard for me to take anyone seriously who doesn’t know the difference between your and you’re. For anyone else, I would grant a pass (we all make typos), but he’s earned no such grace. I usually just pass on by when I see that name and don’t read further.

    • Family of Law
      05/30/2013 at 1:36 pm

      *Note: they do make equine Neuticles. Hubby suggested they would be of suitable weight and size for our 6 month old lab…. Trying to picture that hurts my head.

      • MMD
        05/30/2013 at 1:42 pm

        Thankfully you talked him out of THAT one!!!!! 😯

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 1:39 pm

      Have my pail and shovel as well. Got delayed when my computer shut down. Hang in there Janet, slow breaths, slow breaths…………………..

      • janeto
        05/30/2013 at 2:39 pm

        Thank you mmd!! man wordpress on my phone is crazy today. Jumping while I’m trying to type n not refreshing right! Explain for me to syn why Jay. Tee hee. Thanks. I’ll get on my comp thus evening. Ttyl! And thanks u all for digging me out!!

  163. Beans
    05/30/2013 at 1:24 pm

    FOL, Re: Memoir. Too funny, but can we amend the title to ‘ My Life, A Search For Neuticles & The Perfect Blood Orange Martini’?

    • Family of Law
      05/30/2013 at 1:32 pm

      Beans, are you back from the printer with your new biz cards?
      Lol! Yes, I approve of the amended title! Blood Orange Martinis should never be elided!

      • Beans
        05/30/2013 at 1:49 pm

        Handed all of them out already. There’s a university campus just up the street from my apt. and the students were lined up to get the cards. I’m just glad I could do my part by contributing to the further education of these youngsters.

      • MMD
        05/30/2013 at 1:52 pm

        😆

      • Family of Law
        05/30/2013 at 1:59 pm

        Get em while they’re young and malleable (the children, not Neuticles).

  164. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/30/2013 at 1:31 pm

    or, “My search in the rear for the answers to the neuticles of horses, dogs and boys.”

    • 05/30/2013 at 1:40 pm

      at this stage it’s looking like “My search for the longest title ever”

      • Beans
        05/30/2013 at 1:50 pm

        Rats, beat me to it Syn.

  165. 05/30/2013 at 1:39 pm

    Robert exits Rotterdam :
    not the Judge’s jurisdiction. The “Lifetime” folks could tell her to jump in a sandbox.

    Oh I wish she would.. then we could REALLY get some answers!!!!

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 2:11 pm

      wouldn’t that be awesome. After reading part of her judgement earlier, I think you can kinda tell how she truly feels about JA 😉

  166. Family of Law
    05/30/2013 at 1:42 pm

    Tara Kelley “tweets” with WIld About Trial.
    http://mixedbagblog.com/2013/05/29/tara-tweets-again/

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/30/2013 at 1:49 pm

      when someone has the time,and can cut all the “tags” on the transcript, let me know. I kept reading “wild about trial” so much I couldnt find the actual text.

    • Jill
      05/30/2013 at 2:20 pm

      Ty for they link. Wish she could have been one of the twelve. But,I guess it still wouldn’t have mattered nor changed foreman’s mind.

  167. 05/30/2013 at 1:42 pm

    Think the title needs to be shortened to “Adventures in the Sandbox” or
    “Sandcastles in the Mist”

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 1:51 pm

      How about Donchais University: Behind the Scenes????????

    • 05/30/2013 at 1:56 pm

      Janeto’s can be – Sandbox: Buried Alive

      Jay’s – Head In the Sand

      • janeto
        05/30/2013 at 2:43 pm

        😆 that would be me Syn! Thanks to my peeps getting me out! Still got sand in places that WOBO would appreciate though! 😉

    • Beans
      05/30/2013 at 1:58 pm

      soundtrack provided by Jimi Hendrix – “Castles Made of Sand”

  168. MMD
    05/30/2013 at 1:48 pm

    Ok couldn’t someone sue the production company/network, say for an injunction to stop the showing of the movie on that date saying that it would be so overly prejudicial or something. FOL, there’s gotta be some way to stop it. You’re our current legal eagle on here at the moment!!!

    • 05/30/2013 at 1:51 pm

      HJ should show her face soon perhaps she might have some ideas on it too.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/30/2013 at 1:53 pm

      its called “prior restraint” The State can’t stop the publishing of a book or the showing of a film “before” it is released. If there was some horror -read “national security reason”- or some “libel” issues, then it could be taken to court and argued. Thats my take and I’m sticking with it till hear otherwise from a legal beagle (but no a–holes!)

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 1:55 pm

      Hope she is Syn and does have some answers. It would actually have been better to have shown it during the trial or even during the deliberation in the upcoming phase than the current date.

    • Family of Law
      05/30/2013 at 1:57 pm

      I have no idea- my guess is, they cannot be stopped from airing it- the only hope would be to have enough outrage voiced, that they “choose” to shelve it until after sentancing. Networks tend to yield only to the almighty dollar.

  169. Jill
    05/30/2013 at 1:53 pm

    Hi, I just went on Lifetime’s website and left a comment expressing my disappointment in the Jodi Arias movie and the air date of it.

    If you wish to do the same, here’s the link….
    http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/lifetime-movie-network
    Scroll down to the bottom and click, “contact us”. Then click on “submit feedback”.

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 1:57 pm

      Just went to the link and they obviously couldn’t care what a Canuck has to say because all I kept getting was a recording of “this content is currently unavailable”. 😦

      • Jill
        05/30/2013 at 2:04 pm

        Really, darn. sorry about that. 😦

      • MMD
        05/30/2013 at 2:08 pm

        Ok I just went to the mylifetime.ca webpage and can’t find out what movies are even premiering after May 27th which has already passed (must update it on June 1st) and can’t get the schedule to even go beyond Wednesday, June 5th. I don’t even know if it is going to be playing on the Canuck channel 😯

      • Beans
        05/30/2013 at 2:56 pm

        they probably do care. go to mylifetimetv.ca.

      • 05/30/2013 at 4:55 pm

        I am from B.C. and I left a comment.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      05/30/2013 at 1:59 pm

      There were pressures brought by proponents of the Kennedy and Reagan families when films of them were being prepared for national showing. In each case, the network blinked. Caroline Kennedy worked out a deal to give ABC first dibs on the report of her mother’s tape recordings,so they dropped their showing. Reagan’s film was not shown by a major network either but I cant recall who was the force behind it.

      • MMD
        05/30/2013 at 2:13 pm

        Probably Nancy!!!!!!!!

  170. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/30/2013 at 2:10 pm

    ringadingding :
    I really want to hear from more jurors. I want to know what happened on the day of the no verdict verdict…how that played out, if they understood that signing that form meant the penalty phase would be declared a mistrial, if they discussed the consequences of not
    reaching a verdict, and if they’d sent the “question” to the judge that morning, what did they think of having to wait all day for it to be announced by the judge?

    I want to know this also. Wish that would be part of the discussion in addition to “who voted for death”

  171. 05/30/2013 at 2:15 pm

    okies I gotta snooze…. play nice in the sandbox there’s hidden nasties in the sand sometimes even ones that look sweet turn out to be scorpions! Remember the spider and the mall!

    Janeto…. hope you’ve recovered from your ordeal. I will have to look back and find out why you were buried.. I thought Jay only had a go at myself and Robert (again) then exited the sandbox – typical of his troll – ing.

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 2:17 pm

      see ya later darlin’ ****waves*******

    • Jill
      05/30/2013 at 2:22 pm

      Nighty night!

  172. MMD
    05/30/2013 at 2:21 pm

    Dr, Drew is doing a show on stalking tonight. Here is the blurb for those that might be interested.

    Tonight: Dr. Drew On Call special ‘Stalked!’
    By Dr. Drew staff
    Thu May 30, 2013
    What kind of person is more prone to becoming a stalker? Have you become the victim of the most recent type of stalking … cyberstalking? And what made Jodi Arias a different type of stalker?

    HLN’s Dr. Drew and stalking expert Michelle Ward discuss these topics and much more on the Dr. Drew On Call special “Stalked!” Thursday night at 9 p.m. ET only on HLN!

  173. Beans
    05/30/2013 at 2:21 pm

    FOL, imagine Homer Simpson’s voice here: “mmmm, malleable neuticles “

  174. Robert exits Rotterdam
    05/30/2013 at 2:31 pm

    Kathy A. :
    I have mixed feelings about the death penalty; when my husband was murdered, it was a death-penalty-eligible crime, and I had no problem supporting the DP (here in Arizona, no less), but the killer took a plea deal for LWOP. That was fine with me because it meant I
    would avoid going through endless appeals and he would be out of society, but I also was struck by how this guy who so carelessly stole my husband’s life and almost certainly was going to take mine was afraid to die, even though he would have had years before the sentence was carried out. I also knew that no matter how many death sentences he might receive, it would never, ever bring my husband back

    This post was almost hidden above. My goodness, such horrors fellow sandboxers have endured. First response is a stunned silence in the face of what you had to go through. I consider myself blessed that this particular pain has not been visited upon me. I also thank you -Kathy- for sharing how you adapted to the LWOP as a remedy for your grief and desire to see punishment proportionate to the crime. I think such knowledge is useful in coming to grips with whatever happens to wobo.

    • Beans
      05/30/2013 at 2:51 pm

      Good call Robert, and thanks for grounding me as to why we are here.

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 3:25 pm

      Kathy – I had no idea that your husband was murdered or if I did, I must have forgotten. I’m so sorry for your loss but I’m glad that you were able to get a sense of peace with the killer’s sentence. That was a very sensible and emotionally healthy way of looking at it because it is all true. Nothing will ever bring your loved one back and the killer will not be able to hijack your life endlessly.

      Being from a non DP country this is the way I think normally except for JA. She is so inherently evil that I feel that she needs to cease breathing. I have never felt this way before and I hope I never do again.

      Sincere and deepest sympathies Kathy for the loss of your husband.

      Thanks Robert for bringing forward this post because I somehow missed it.

  175. EnlightenMe
    05/30/2013 at 3:26 pm

    Sorry but could someone please enlighten ignorant me: What does “wobo” stand for?

    • Beans
      05/30/2013 at 3:42 pm

      ‘whore of babble on’. I forget who first coined it – anyone?

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/30/2013 at 5:24 pm

        Shaeffer–who hasn’t been about lately.HEY! Shaaaaaeeffffferr!

    • Jill
      05/30/2013 at 5:09 pm

      It’s jodi ‘s nickname someone came up with…

  176. MMD
    05/30/2013 at 3:34 pm

    Here is video from a presser that top attorney Bill Montgomery gave today with regard to the JA retrial.

    http://www.azcentral.com/video/2421481539001

  177. MMD
    05/30/2013 at 4:04 pm

    Beans did you overnight your son down to me????????????? My puter is driving me nuts because with the shorter cord every time a dog walks by it disconnects me and I have to start it over again. Puter store was supposed to call today but didn’t 😦 so waiting anxiously for your son.

  178. MMD
    05/30/2013 at 4:06 pm

    Wow OK is getting nailed with tornadoes again. Is there no end to these natural disasters??? 😦 Those poor people who have already been hit!

    • Jill
      05/30/2013 at 5:24 pm

      It is so sad. These natural disasters seem to be getting worse. These poor people.

  179. NancyB
    05/30/2013 at 4:16 pm

    Hi to all! It was our 40th anniversary on Sunday and we had made reservations 9 months ago to spend a long weekend at Catalina Island. I was unable to recoup the money so at the last minute I decided to just go by myself and hopped on the ferry and I had the most marvelous time! I’ve now plopped myself down to read backwards to catch up on all of your comments. The sandbox moves so quickly so it maybe that you’ve all moved past the jury’s non-verdict but I’m still mulling it over and trying to process the dynamics of how it happened.

    I keep trying to come to some understanding of how the wheels fell off the bus. Juan’s closing argument was pretty cut and dry. Just the facts. The foreman: “The Jury only looked at facts”…But, then says “The jury didn’t know why she killed TA?” How does motive go towards the verdict? You don’t base a verdict/punishment on the motive, unless there was a serious question of self defense, which they had previously and unanimously discarded when they determined that the murder was especially cruel. However, it is almost impossible to understand why they were unable to determine motive when it was right there in front of some of their sympathetic eyes. Jealousy. Rejection. A man moving on. Simple.

    What has really irritated me about the jury’s non-verdict is the fact that the jurors had to have known that what is presented in trial is NOT the whole story! Evidence on both sides is left out due to legal issues–and it’s easy to figure that out when Juan says “Travis was *extremely* afraid of Arias’ stalking behavior” over and over again that it means that there is much more to the story, but only that fragment was allowed into evidence. I keep wondering if they conducted any any true deliberations at all.

    Foreman Z said: “The system we think is flawed in that sense because this was not a case of Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles Manson”. Where does it say in the jury instructions that the DP is only to be given to serial killers? The public is free to comment and talk about what he has said without being labeled as “haters”.

    The foreman mentioned Aria’s age at the time of the killing and lack of criminal history causing them to show mercy. “You heard (the prosecutor) say she was only 27… she’s old enough she should have known better. I didn’t look at it that way. I’m looking at 27 years of an absolutely normal everyday young woman that was living a life that was perfectly normal. Then something changed the trajectory of her life after meeting Travis Alexander and it spiraled downhill from there.”

    Other jurors have now explained that the 4 jurors who decided on a life sentence were influenced by the defense’s pack of lies that Travis verbally and emotionally abused JA. Unbelievable. *shaking head*. Contrary to what Jodi claims, the evidence that there were some 85,000 text messages between the two, tells us they WERE NOT together as much as Jodi would have liked us to believe. With that many messages it’s evident to me that she wanted to know where he was, who he was with and what he was doing at all times.
    I get the sense from all the jurors that have commented so far, that actual deliberations never took place. I could be wrong, but I got the impression from the foreman that the jurors just went around the table and expressed their “feelings”. That’s not deliberation. And each consecutive juror’s public comments have reinforced that belief. Regarding the foreman and his leadership (or lack there of)…in one of his 5 interviews he talked about their deliberation process. Foreman Z specifically stated that “… all of us agreed that we are not going to try to coerce or convince each other of individual positions or require validation of a position but would discuss individual positions”.

    In Z’s son’s blog he says before the trial his dad would like to have been famous, but he doesn’t believe that’s true now. “I think before this all happened, my dad would have liked to be famous. I’m not speaking for him but I’m pretty sure that’s not the case anymore.”

    Really? He sure ran to GMA and other outlets in a big hurry. Sounds like he wanted his face out there pretty darn badly.

    But the sentence that I find most troubling was:
    “And they know that on his watch, that criminal was not sentenced to die.”

    On his watch disturbs me. To me it says a lot about his personality. His son also explains that the media were at his home waiting for him and spent the night in his home. So, when did he have the time to read online or watch TV to determine that JA was “crucified in the media”? Things that continue to make you go hmmmmm.

    Why no real deliberation? The note “IF we can’t agree…” shows he wasn’t open to it.
    OVERTLY against the DP unless the person is a terrorist and serial killer, he is the classic “stealth juror”, on the jury to make a political statement, wholly unable to even deliberate with the others, just folded his arms and refused to budge…

    It would explain some of foreman Z’s post non-verdict statements. When he told the other jurors that Arias was perfectly normal for 27 years until she met Travis why did the 8 who voted for the DP go over all of Dr. Demarte’s testimony? (Especially since the foreman was not much of a note taker). Arias had suicidal ideations since she was a young teen. Her behavior as a teen (leaving home at 15 to live in an unheated shack, dropping out of HS, etc.) is not “normal”. Why wouldn’t they have reviewed their notes from when DeMarte read them an email that Jodi sent to Travis where she reveals that her “intense anger is very destructive”. That she’s kicked holes in walls, kicked down doors, smashed windows, and broken things? There was so much evidence that Juan submitted to them that proved JA’s violent outbursts pre dated meeting Travis by more than a decade. Of course, the foreman doesn’t seem to like to be challenged, so it might have been bloody. But actual deliberations would have occurred.

    But sometimes, no matter how much someone tries to deny their bias, it exists. Foreman Z probably isn’t even aware of it. Its way back in his subconscious, and that subconscious oozes out in his comments. So the end result is that everyone is made aware of it, even though HE IS NOT AWARE OF IT. However, just because someone is not aware of something, like his own bias, and then others point it out, that doesn’t make us bad people. I just wish that there had been a very logical thinker who was also as strong a personality as Z to have forced the 4 to fully conduct deliberations. Even if they had failed to reach my preferred verdict, I would feel better that they had truly done all of the work expected of them.

    This case is not one of those gray scenarios where there is any room for interpretation IMO. The murder was excessively cruel. By lawful definition, the only verdict should have been for death given that Jodi didn’t have any major mitigating factors (hers were “other” and NOT strong whatsoever). There is nothing throughout this trial or during the mitigating phase that outweighs the brutality of premeditating a murder and committing it three times over, including near-decapitation, for good measure to ensure that person is dead.

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 4:40 pm

      I keep saying this but I seriously think that someone in his family like a daughter/sister/mother etc. was a victim of emotional and verbal abuse.

      According to juror 10, who was an alternate, and because of the comments with the judge afterwards, she strongly feels that age played a very big factor. Apparently she and JA had a big stare-down one day.

      Here is a link to her telling this to JVM.

      http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/05/28/jvm-arias-juror-speaks

    • ringadingding
      05/30/2013 at 4:53 pm

      This is beautifully articulated. It really gets at the heart of what did not take place and why this is so hard to come to terms with. “Even if they had failed to reach my preferred verdict, I would feel better that they had truly done all of the work expected of them.” Right on.

      (Glad to have you back. I’m happy to hear that your trip was a good one!)

    • Jill
      05/30/2013 at 5:04 pm

      Hi Nancy, I’m glad you had a restful time in the quaint, little town of Avalon!

      It’s so hard for us to grasp this foreman’s thinking (or lack of) process. Things just don’t add up with him.
      I missed that part about t he “not on his watch.” Did the son or the dad say that?
      This guy should have just kept quiet because he says such foolish things. The reference to Jeffrey Dahmer and Manson was ridiculous. She is pure evil and right up there with them, if not worse.

  180. MMD
    05/30/2013 at 4:30 pm

    Nancy we wondered where you were and I’m glad you’re back. 🙂

    I am so proud of you that you took that trip 😀 I’m sure that Dale is as well and thrilled that you enjoyed yourself. I’m so glad that you had some ME time and got away from everything!!! Kudos to you darlin’ XOXO

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 4:32 pm

      plus to make almost 40 years is truly an accomplishment in itself. That’s hard to find these days.

  181. 05/30/2013 at 4:47 pm

    Family of Law :
    So, the Lifetime “Jodi Arias, Dirty Little Secret” movie is scheduled to air on June 22nd! BEFORE a new jury has been empaneled? This IS SO WRONG! I think it needs to be stopped, let them air their sensationalized garbage after sentancing!

    I submitted my opinion on them air the show while the trial is still going and need to get another jury and thought they should postpone it until the trial is complete. They responded with “your opinion is valuable to us and we are always looking for feedback. Receiving input from our viewers helps us to shape our programming and monitor the integrity of our networks. Thanks for your interest in Lifetime” with a ticket number. I don’t know that my comments will do much but at least I tried.

    • ringadingding
      05/30/2013 at 4:55 pm

      This calls for Operation Bubble. Where’s he at?

      • MMD
        05/30/2013 at 5:02 pm

        I don’t know. I think he had a major dental appt this week so he may be buzzed out on pain killers and drinking his beer with a straw. Hopefully he’s doing ok 🙂

      • Robert exits Rotterdam
        05/30/2013 at 5:33 pm

        LOL So true. Capt Bubbles!!!! Where you at? Lead the charge!

    • Jill
      05/30/2013 at 5:23 pm

      Hi Melanie, which site did u use to leave your comment, the US or Canadian? MMD was trying earlier and couldn’t do it. Ty!
      Glad you left a comment. Who knows, if enough people do it, they might change the airing. If not, at least we tried.

  182. 05/30/2013 at 5:13 pm

    Did Travis Alexander’s family know anything about Travis’ relationship with Jodi prior to his murder?

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 5:16 pm

      I think some of them knew of her but none had met her except his grandmother.

  183. MMD
    05/30/2013 at 5:15 pm

    O/T Donchais this is for you hiding in your basement from the sound and sight of cicadas

    http://ireport.cnn.com/open-story.jspa?openStoryID=979237&hpt=hp_bn1#DOC-979560

    Good news is they will be gone soon!!! 🙂

  184. Jill
    05/30/2013 at 5:15 pm

    Hi MMD, someone just commented that they are in B.C., and were able to leave a comment on Lifetime’s website. So, even if you can’t find the movie, you can probably still get your comment in to them.hooefully, others will too, and they will at least wait to play their smut movie until after the penalty trial is over.

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 5:17 pm

      On which site Jill, the U.S. or Canadian Lifetime????

    • MMD
      05/30/2013 at 5:29 pm

      if it’s the U.S. site I didn’t say I couldn’t do it, I just said they wouldn’t care because I don’t get the U.S. station, just the Canuck version and the 2 channels are NOT the same.

  185. donchais
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