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Jodi Arias Murder Trial – While We’re Waiting, 3


Still waiting….

  1. jad
    06/12/2013 at 5:59 am

    Syntara — You are sorely missed here by many, including myself. I had no idea that there was a problem when a reference was made in a May 7 posting. As a matter of fact, it was hoped that you and Chrissie A (because you both seemed to work so well together) would enjoy working on a project that could help the peeps on this web site understand some sort of the inner workings of Jodi Arias and possibly aid behavioral scientists (like yourself) in their task of getting a better understanding of the manner the mind of a psychopath works.

    I ran into this a month or so ago, but did not know how to bring it to your attention while the Trial was ongoing [and Chrissie A was not back to help]. Now, that there is some down-time in the Proceedings (while we await another go-round for the Sentencing Phase), it might be the occasion to bring the find to your attention, and, if you (believe this to be of significance and) would like to pursue this find further, get some one with skills in photography to assist you. If you are not too busy, this project might give you some needed insight.

    At the time that this was discovered, I had been trying to nail down the time frame of the relationship shared by Lisa Andrews [Daidone] with Travis Alexander. Jodi Arias had been confounding the Court (with her PERJURED testimony) about the time frame of her relationship with Travis Alexander. The endurance of the relationship of girlfriend/boyfriend had been seriously exaggerated. Her testimony did not match that of Lisa Andrews. Plus, she had thrown Deanna Reid into that same time frame. Thus, the subject was so muddled that the [PERJURED] testimony of Jodi Arias, alone, had to be used to demonstrate that she (joined by her criminal lawyers) had deliberately tried to sway the Jurors and the Court into a belief that their relationship was much longer than it was (in order to use the self-defense excuse to convince the Jurors what she had to resort to, which was to be recognized as a [domestic] partner in an ongoing dating relationship).

    It had to be acknowledged that the acts and actions of Jodi Arias had to be completely understood (in order to show the contrivance in the story telling, which had been aided and abetted by her criminal lawyers). So, (in preparation) for this more thorough understanding of just who and what Jodi Arias is, I had taken notes (by long hand) during many of the days of Trial watching. However, I had never dated the notes or paginated. One evening, Baby Girl (the house kitty in control of all who approach) decided to go into the Office and wrestle around with whatever was around my laptop, that took my attention away from the Princess. The room was a mess — notes everywhere (over, under, on top, and you get the picture) and not in good shape. With no way to put the notes together, I had to go back to certain of the Trial dates to rewatch the testimony on the Internet. (It was easier than putting the notes together.)

    During the [revisit of the testimony when] listening, I would have to put the replay of the Trial on pause for various reasons. Each time the pause button was used, it managed to catch a facial expression of Jodi Arias that was almost invisible to the human eye when just watching [without using the pause button]. The hideous examples that were caught of Jodi Arias in thought, where her thought pattern could not have mirrored the statement she had just made, were imagined as the correct expression for her true thought. These seemed to be instances where she could not contain herself, and she could not hide her hidden glee in what she was accomplishing. Her eyes would become shark-like [vacant, without expression] and her mouth would grin [in pure evil, like the look Heath Ledger was going after with his role as the Joker].

    Since discovering this, other witnesses were viewed (while waiting the proper time to report on this find). Doctor Richard Samuels seems to have the same type of look as Jodi Arias. In other words, there are times that his facial expression does not match his body movements or the statement he had just made. (The shark-like quality of the eyes is unmistakable.) However, without looking for it, this feature would not have been seen. Maybe this is how some people can recognize a con-man or a liar. My oldest brother has that unique ability. When someone is in his presence, he can automatically tell if that person is making truthful statements. Maybe the focus he has works in a little bit different time frame than the majority of people. Anyway, I thought that if you knew about this (and that you could actually freeze-frame as proof), you could try this to explain the changes in facial expression.

    You would need to use stop-still photography. It is hard to catch the changes in expression because it happens in the blink of an eye or less. These expressions are amazing in that the emotion does not relate, and the look is so sinister. Maybe you can answer whether it is an instinctive flicker across the face or one of feeling pure [malevolent] enjoyment in their cleverness. It just seems that this can be one telltale sign of a psychopath. Other than Jodi Arias, this type of expression has not been viewed on anyone else [besides a few on Doctor Richard Samuels].

    • jad
      06/12/2013 at 6:02 am

      Syntara and Robert Exits Rotterdam — I found something that may interest you. The other day, I caught a snippet (on the I.D. TV channel) on a person and his henchman. They acted together in the same way that Jodi Arias acts with Gus Searcy. At one time, the question arose as to how you [Syntara] would diagnose Gus Searcy. The question was asked if he could have also been some type of sociopath when with Jodi Arias. He is a very troubling character, and he has had a lot to do with the Jodi Arias business activity. Gus Searcy’s involvement is palpable. Nevertheless, there are certain instances that he can be written off.

      NancyB was able to convince me that the pictures of the erect penis retrieved off either the laptop [belonging to Jodi Arias] or the Helio Ocean cell phone [that either belonged to Gus Searcy, or Jodi Arias, or ?? whomever] was that of Darryl Brewer, and not Gus Searcy (even though Jodi Arias was with Gus Searcy in Las Vegas [all day] on the day of the dated images). I had forgotten that you can take a picture of an image or a photo with a cell phone, that would not reveal the date the image or photo was actually saved to another device. So, those photos that the criminal lawyers tried to convince the Jury were a body part of Travis Alexander [which we knew were not] could have been a body part of Darryl Brewer, because the hands holding the penis had spatulate fingernails and vastly different nail beds than either Mr. Alexander or Gus Searcy) and the appearance of the hands seemed to match Darryl Brewer.

      Darryl Brewer is downright creepy, but that does not instantly spell out partner in crime. It is the relationship that evolved between Gus Searcy and Jodi Arias that seemed to stoke the fires of iniquity. When a little bit of a program was seen on I.D. TV, this relationship popped into mind. The two partners in crime being spotlighted could compare to the evil duo in the Jodi Arias case. The most wicked of the two had the same cloven-hoofed feet that were seen in that video of Jodi Arias (wearing those pink socks). He seemed to be the psychopath, with very similar characteristics to Jodi Arias [except he was not as lazy]. The other one appeared to be more like Gus Searcy. The following two paragraphs describe them. Can you figure out which was the psychopath [like Jodi Arias] and which was the other evil [that was more like a Gus Searcy]?

      A retired Police Officer from California, Chris Butler, became a Private Investigator (“P.I.”). Once he changed titles, he added a twist and shopped around his new product. The spin was that he would only use soccer moms as his P.I.s. This new branding (of “P.I. Moms of San Francisco”) got him several guest appearances on Doctor Phil [and other daytime TV] and a shot at a Reality TV series, on the Lifetime channel. Chris Butler had served on the Antioch, California Police Department and had served with quite a few other Law Enforcement Officers before he traded in his badge for a bigger opportunity that offered more cash flow.

      Central Contra Costa County California Narcotic Enforcement Team Commander Norman Wielsch had worked with Chris Butler when they both served on the Antioch, California Police Force. However, in his new role commanding Police Officers from various Police Agencies throughout Contra Costa County, the [California] State Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement Special Agent Supervisor [Norman Wielsch] sold drugs that had been seized on the street and then stored in police evidence lockers, hustled prostitutes, did shakedowns, and participated in other nefarious criminal activity with his former partner in Law Enforcement, Chris Butler. After another former cop (who was employed by Chris Butler) turned Informant and snitched on Chris Butler and Norman Wielsch, the two men were booked on suspicion of conspiracy, embezzlement, burglary, and possession and transportation of controlled substances (methamphetamine, marijuana and steroids), reported the Uptown Almanac [on 02/16/2011]. The San Francisco Chronicle had more articles on the duo, including their sentencing.

      If you can’t guess who the psychopath with cloven-hoofed feet is, he is the one claiming a neurological condition [to describe his feet becoming cloven-hoofed, as was shown in the I.D. TV program] that is written up in a San Francisco Chronicle article, at http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/East-Bay-vice-cop-cries-admits-thefts-4094505.php

      RER — THIS WAS ESPECIALLY BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE OF YOUR VIEWPOINT OF DR. PHIL. In the I.D. TV program, one of the guest appearances on the Dr. Phil show had been included. Since I missed the majority of this show, I missed most of the presentation. However, Dr. Phil was heard explaining that he would not have known anything about these characters and so was excused for talking them up for that Reality TV series. Even though she does not tout a specialty in psychiatry [as did Dr. Phil], I’ll bet Syntara would have known better.

      • Kristy
        06/13/2013 at 1:06 am

        My understanding is that the article of the sociopath was bullcrap.

  2. John
    06/12/2013 at 6:30 am

    Is there any news on Jodi? It has been ages since I heard about her.

  3. dpforjodi
    06/12/2013 at 8:14 am

    Hi John, I haven’t heard anything.
    Well, what a party we Canucks had yesterday afternoon in the sandbox. Almost planted the maple leaf. Right side up this time.Deco, you made me laugh this morning. Cod tongues are nasty!!!!! Tough and fishy. Hope your pickles turn out well. Go with MMD’s recipe. Do you have to peel the cukes? Hope the Captain didn’t mind me drinking all his Bud. I saved him a horrible virtual hangover this morning, though, so I hope he won’t mind. I must talk to him about stocking up on munchies. Beans, cod tongue flavoured doritos, yuck. Maybe you should enter that suggestion in the Lay’s flavour competition.
    MMD, I went to put out the garbage this am, and saw the 2 males and 1 female coming up the bank. Still no momma and duckies. Oh, and my comment yesterday about Glee and the vampire series were not directed at you but the universal ‘you’. That potential juror just sounded so young.

    • janeto
      06/12/2013 at 8:31 am

      Hey do! Well u didn’t find my stash of peanuts, & extra bags of pigskins!! BBQ style!! Look harder next time!! Lol!!!

      • janeto
        06/12/2013 at 8:32 am

        😳 meant DP!!!! Damn phone!

      • dpforjodi
        06/12/2013 at 8:41 am

        Good morning, janeto. Pigskins are they like porkrinds? Trying to do my best Homer Simpson impersonation. Not very good at it but have the drooling down pat.

      • janeto
        06/12/2013 at 8:56 am

        Yes em, pork rinds!! The best!!!

      • MMD
        06/12/2013 at 10:02 am

        Hey Janet – hate to tell you, the peanuts are now gone!

      • janeto
        06/12/2013 at 10:17 am

        😥 we’ll have to restock!!!

  4. dpforjodi
    06/12/2013 at 8:55 am

    Captain Bubble don’t be drinking outta those opened beer bottles, that’s not flat beer!!!!!
    Well, I had to go somewhere. Can’t dirty up the sandbox, with all that hardwork Donchais does keeping out the trolls and all.
    Well I am off to drill holes in my cast iron urns, wish me luck, I hope they don’t shatter.

    • dpforjodi
      06/12/2013 at 9:25 am

      MMD, momma duck and 3 ducklings spotted across the road. I hope they make it.

      jad good post, I’m glad to see you back.

      • MMD
        06/12/2013 at 10:01 am


        Where’s Beans this morning???

  5. MMD
    06/12/2013 at 10:00 am

    Good luck DP. Don’t blow away and please find Mama duck and her babies. I’m losing sleep 😦

    Deco – Yep still counting down the hours and I wish I hadn’t read it either. Hopefully you’re going to the dr today and he/she is going to tell you that you are on the mend.

    • dpforjodi
      06/12/2013 at 10:22 am

      Yes, the momma and 3 babies were found across the road.

  6. MMD
    06/12/2013 at 10:09 am

    Deco – RE: Pickles

    Then here’s the hardest part of making Mustard Pickle. You need to wait about a month before eating, if you want to taste it in all of it’s glory. It needs time to cure.

    Also yes, use dry mustard, just not the prepared mustard that comes in the squeeze bottle. Good luck and I’m NOT a cougar. Nikki is looking after a few things but my heart belongs to JM as you ALL know. 😀 I must admit that Nikki is a well brought up young man though 🙂

  7. janeto
    06/12/2013 at 10:25 am

    😯 MMD found my peanuts! She spends so much time in the naughty corner, she’ll get fat between her & DP getting the munchies after “fatty”. Not suppose to enjoy “TIME OUT” ladies!
    Did anyone see Dr drew last night? About Wormi complaining about his “jurors?” 🙄

    • janeto
      06/12/2013 at 10:28 am

      On the WOBO case? Whiney butt!!! 😀

    • MMD
      06/12/2013 at 10:33 am

      You snooze ya lose. 😉 I was watching what was happening in Istanbul. Started Dr. Drew but decided to go to sleep instead. What did Wurmi have to say????

  8. MMD
    06/12/2013 at 10:35 am

    Deco – time changed to 7 pm ET.

    • dpforjodi
      06/12/2013 at 11:30 am

      Where is everyone? Too cold outside to do any work 9C. 48 F

      • 06/12/2013 at 12:24 pm

        re: the Lay flavour competition, nah, for the sake of mankind(no offense ladies) I probably shouldn’t.

      • janeto
        06/12/2013 at 3:23 pm

        Ha! That depends on where u r at! It’s hot& humid here, & we r begging for 70 degrees, much less 49!! Soon I’ll be like the wicked witch of the east…”I’m Melting!! So not looking forward to summer!!! Yuk!!!

      • dpforjodi
        06/13/2013 at 6:21 am

        I thought Toronto weather was bad, but when I see some of the temps in the States, well I just don’t know how you do it. 100 degrees at 10am, Yikes. Well MMD and beans thanks for the clouds and it is still cool. Good day to put on the propane fireplace and watch Netflicks. So many serial murder movies to watch and so little time. My partner has taken to sleeping with one eye open.

  9. 06/12/2013 at 1:16 pm

    Glad to see Jad back posting…

  10. 06/12/2013 at 3:02 pm

    Hey all, just got in. Glad to see a new page. Jad, your postings were very thoughtful.

    I was wondering, as I was skipping past the Zimmerman trial, when She’d be back. Personally, I think the defense will pull out all the stops to delay, postpone, and have thrown out, if possible, the next phase. Could take alot of time. But, assuming JA and her DT does not revert back to the three assassin story, (remember, she was trying to Edify Travis)…

    If they try and use the mental defect defense it would be perfect. The creature would be trying to prove her superiority, while “experts” will be saying, “See? She thinks she’s so smart, she’s really ill…”

    And of course, hopefully, all her bullshit post conviction will be allowed in. I mean ALL.

    • janeto
      06/12/2013 at 3:25 pm

      Amen bubb. ALL her BS post conviction!!

  11. 06/12/2013 at 3:34 pm

    Does anyone have the link for part 2? I don’t see it at the bottom of this thread and I’d like to see the last few comments before moving forward. Thank you!

    • 06/12/2013 at 3:52 pm

      click on blue link at bottom page – then do it again.

      • 06/12/2013 at 4:29 pm


  12. 06/12/2013 at 3:50 pm

    MMD, are you alright?, I worry that you’re so bummed about Bill’s story.

    • janeto
      06/12/2013 at 4:30 pm

      Hey beans, she’s nursing a migraine. Bless her heart!

      • 06/12/2013 at 4:35 pm

        Thanks Janeto, we’ll send our love and positive vibes for a quick recovery.

  13. GN5020
    06/12/2013 at 6:34 pm

    FYI – It was mentioned today by Mike Galanos on HLN that the Made-For-TV movie on JA will be aired June 22nd (I think on Lifetime network) and from the short preview clip I saw, it will show a calculating bloodthirsty killer, not an abused victim or mental case. I wonder how that movie will further effect jury selection for the penalty retrial???

  14. Chrissie A
    06/12/2013 at 6:42 pm

    Hey guys, popping in with an update if you haven’t seen or heard it yet:


    • Jill
      06/14/2013 at 3:19 am

      Ty, again, Chrissie! I haven’t seen any of this. I’ve been so busy, so Ty for the updates.:)

      • Chrissie A
        06/14/2013 at 4:14 am

        Hi Jill, you are welcome and yes, it’s kind of pleasant to get away from all that is Stabby 🙂

  15. 06/12/2013 at 6:49 pm

    Hey guys It’s taken me a few hours to catch up on all the posts! I have to tell you it’s been really refreshing to not have JA on the news chanels and in the papers so much. I wonder how she’s coping with her noterity taking a nose dive! Badly I hope! I can’t wait for the day she drifts into obscurity, I believe that is one of the best punishments for her and one we know she’ll hate! She’s such an attention whore! I have been watching the Seacat trial, very pleased he was found guilty! I thought it was incredible that his arrogance of his knowledge of law enforcement blinded his common sense that NO ONE would believe that this mother would commit suicide AND try to burn her house down with her boys in it! tut tut…rookie error Mr Seacat! if she had wanted to take the house with her she would have done it when the boys were safely at school or otherwise looked after.

    • Chrissie A
      06/12/2013 at 6:56 pm

      Hey Laine! That’s some timing! I only just came on myself!! Not missing Stabby at all but keeping up on any updates regarding the trial. ~hugs~

  16. 06/12/2013 at 6:50 pm

    oooo not sure why I’m coming up under my email! it’s Laine lol 🙂

  17. Chrissie A
    06/12/2013 at 6:50 pm

    And another update from Dr Kristina Randle:

    Maricopa Co. Attny: Jodi Arias found competent to stand trial and any statement that she isn’t fit for the proceedings “is simply inaccurate.”

    • 06/12/2013 at 6:54 pm

      Hey Chrissie! how ya diddling!! 🙂

      • Chrissie A
        06/12/2013 at 7:00 pm

        Hi Honey, On a deadline, but also following a couple other trials as time permits – lol 😛

  18. 06/12/2013 at 6:56 pm

    Ok let me see if this has put my name back….

  19. 06/12/2013 at 6:57 pm

    Wooohoooo! 🙂 sorry….little things :blush:

    • Chrissie A
      06/12/2013 at 7:04 pm

      That’s better, I have to go sweets, hate to love & leave yer – work is calling. PS got some great Brit bangers, gonna make some sausage rolls tonite :p

      • 06/12/2013 at 7:23 pm

        Corrrr bangers and mash with onion gravy!! lovely jubbly! enjoy honey (((hugs)))

  20. 06/12/2013 at 7:06 pm

    Chrissie A :Hi Honey, On a deadline, but also following a couple other trials as time permits – lol

    I’m keeping up with the updates too, but enjoying thinking of her being sat in her cell knowing she is nearly yesterdays news! Warms the cockles of yer heart 🙂

  21. 06/12/2013 at 7:13 pm

    Good point: SHe said she’d be a model prisoner, yet she has 14 jailhouse infractions…

    • 06/12/2013 at 7:21 pm

      I don’t believe she knows the meaning of the word good bubbles! or at least her defintion of it is certainly very different from yours and mine! Lets hope they make it as boring for her as possible!! 🙂

  22. 06/12/2013 at 7:34 pm

    So what is the sensed bend about the Lifetime movie?

  23. MMD
    06/12/2013 at 7:51 pm


    The 58-year-old Van Poyck declined a final meal and visited Wednesday with his sister, four friends and a spiritual adviser.

    Tamara Lush ‏@TamaraLush 9m

    William Van Poyk was pronounced dead after lethal injection at 7:24 pm. #execution

  24. MMD
    06/12/2013 at 7:54 pm


    Rick Christie ‏@rchristiepbp 5m

    BREAKING: William Van Poyck was pronounced deat 7:24 p.m. Last words before being executed: “Set me free.”; there were 23 witnesses.

    • Chrissie A
      06/13/2013 at 4:12 am

      Hey MMD 🙂 I know you wanted to keep it all to yourself but we all should wish Juanderful a Happy Birthday!! 😛

      via Justice4Travis ‏
      Apparently it’s Juan Martinez’s birthday.
      Please leave your well-wishes here and I’ll forward the link to his:

    • Chrissie A
      06/13/2013 at 6:03 am

      Of course I know you had to have your special time with Juanderful first:

      • 06/13/2013 at 8:26 am

        Love this Miss Chrissie! I’m glad u still have time to share your artistic side with us!

      • Chrissie A
        06/14/2013 at 4:12 am

        Thanks Lisa 🙂 It was a quick one, but seeing as it was Juanderful’s Birthday, I felt homage should be paid 😛

  25. 06/12/2013 at 9:39 pm

    Oh MMD…at 6:00pm i thought of Bill . What a sad story. I read the diary he wrote which Deco had posted. I cried and cried while i read his entries. What a heart wrenching story. R.i.p. O know he was a criminal but but still sad.. i don’t know why but i have no sympathy for Jodi though. Zilch!

    I’m sure this was mentioned but did you guys see Jodi’s prison rap sheet? Lol and Willsnot said she would be a model citizen in prison and to please spare her life. She’s doing a great job so far. Go Jodi!!

    And to the person who said Jenny on Dr. Drew annoyed them…wow! I watched her tonight and she’s doesn’t seem to act in a professional manner and acts goofy..

  26. nyccowgirl
    06/12/2013 at 10:55 pm

    isn’t this guy’s 15 minutes of fame up already? tell us something we didn’t already know. btw, howdy everyone!


    • 06/16/2013 at 2:42 am

      How the hell does this article say the foreman finally speaks out that he didn’t vote for the death penalty??? I thought this was a given the minute he came forward right after the trial. He defended her and guzzled her kool-aid by the gallon, why did he feel he needed to do another interview to announce what we knew already?? Another media wh***. Like defendent like foreman lol 😉

  27. Ci Ci's Circle
    06/12/2013 at 11:52 pm

    Hell All! Another great article from kristinarandle.com. JA admitted on the stand that the things she said in the sex tape were lies and she just said those things because it what he wanted to hear. Sooooo…..she was just feeding him! Just as the Dr. indicates in her article. Very interesting reading!

    Jodi Arias Trial: The True Nature of The Relationship Between Jodi and Travis

    I am writing this article in response to the many talking heads on TV, who are attempting to answer the question “why did Travis stay with Jodi?” and the question “what hold did Jodi have over Travis?”

    I did not know Travis personally but I can say one thing with total assurance, there are few people in this country who have studied this case as much as I have. I have watched every minute of the trial, read all of the documents that are available to the public and did intensive searches in research databases. I can offer my professional opinion and insights, recognizing the caveat that I have not personally interviewed Travis.

    For that reason what I am about to write is based upon sound psychological theory that would apply to all people. What’s it about? In a word, sex. The recognized father of psychology is of course Sigmund Freud. I know for some of you, your first thoughts will be “that’s old, outdated stuff.” But that really isn’t true.

    Many of you have heard more psychological opinion and analysis, during this trial, than you ever thought you would and certainly more than you ever wanted to. From the endless string of “experts” you have heard phrases coming from their lips such as defense mechanism, unconscious mind, ego. These are all Freudian ideas. No one before Freud had ever used the words or the concepts for, defense mechanisms unconscious mind, id, ego, superego.

    Freudian psychology remains the basis of psychiatry. Psychiatrists are medical doctors and Freud was also a medical doctor. Freudian psychology is certainly not old-fashioned and outdated. That being said, I disagree with many Freudian points and Freud is not my favorite theorist. Nonetheless, modern psychology is based on Freudian thought.

    Okay, so now I’m guilty of telling you more about Freud than you ever wanted to know but I needed to establish that base so that we could analyze the relationship of Jodi and Travis. Freud said there are only two human drives. The smaller one, not too important, Thanatos. The other was the big one and that is libido or the sex drive.

    Travis was a Mormon and Mormons are not supposed to have premarital sex. Most religions discourage premarital sex. Travis was not only a Mormon but he lived in a Mormon community and he dated Mormons. His sexual experience was limited. If he did not always limit it, due to his faith, then perhaps his female partner would.

    Now that’s enough about Travis and his Mormon faith. Let’s look at the psychosexual development of the typical male. I am not going to bash men here. And no “men are not all dogs.” Men are not ruled by the little head. I am a female and it always amazes me when a group of females get together, do a little man bashing, and then claim “all men are dogs and all they want is sex.” Now their proclamation sure sounds pretty condemning concerning men. I find it very revealing, and a little funny, that the same male bashing females are goal directed to acquire their own personal “dog.” I think “If they’re so bad why get one?”

    Travis, like every other man, had to learn about his sexuality. Was he desirable? Could he satisfy a woman? Would a woman find him sexually attractive? Would a woman laugh at his genitalia or gaze with admiration? He didn’t know and wouldn’t know the answers to those questions until he had sexual partners. Would he be a sexual disappointment or God’s gift to women?

    Women have the same kind of fears and doubts. You know what they are. I’m not going to take the time to list them.

    In the American culture, we don’t talk about sex much. We giggle, we laugh, but we aren’t too honest about sex.

    We know something about Jodi’s and Travis’s sex life because we have the long sex tape that Jodi secretly recorded. She claims of course that Travis knew that it was being recorded and that he had requested her recording it but nothing in that tape indicates to me that Travis was aware that it was being recorded.

    In that sex tape Jodi did her deceptive best to feed Travis’s ego. What feedback did she give him about his being a lover? He was the best. No one else even came close. He did things to her and made her feel things that no one else had ever done. His “equipment” touched magic places within her.

    If we look at more than just the sex tape and look at their text messages and emails, we can gather even more insight into the feedback that Jodi was giving to Travis. She loved sex but only with Travis. She wanted to try everything sexual with Travis. She craved him sexually.

    In one message, she asked him that “if she was a good girl… (and I am going to clean this up here) would he reward her by depositing copious amounts of seminal fluid to the dermatological surface area that lies between her bangs and the bottom of her chin?”

    Yep, that’s how hot Travis was. Jodi didn’t need an orgasm, she didn’t need foreplay she just got off on Travis. Now we know that wasn’t true but the truth and Jodi Arias are seldom seen together. She was manipulating him. She was deceiving him. And most certainly she was confusing him.

    Travis was not a “dog.” He was just like most people. He was filled with doubt about his sexuality. Inexperienced men and women are almost all in exactly the same boat. Jodi fed his ego with lies but Travis, due to his inexperience, had no idea that they were lies. And most importantly, who does not want to have their ego fed accolades and flattery’s?

    Though it is not healthy, most people try to find out who they are by trying to see how they are perceived by other people. For most people, when flattery and complements come their way, it makes them feel good, very good. It gives them confidence and positive feelings, if in only one part of their lives. Jodi used her sexual cunning to exercise power over Travis. With more experience on the part of Travis, Jodi’s power would have been diminished or eliminated.

    I am not suggesting that their relationship was only sexual but what I am saying is that the foundation of their relationship, after their initial breakup, was based on sexuality.

    Was Travis using Jodi as the defense contended? No, Jodi was using Travis as the prosecution contended. Did Travis think that he was using Jodi? No absolutely not. From his perspective, based on the words that flowed from her mouth, she loved having sex with him. She was ecstatic at the prospects of any sexual encounter with him. Read the emails and listen to the sex tape, for full confirmation.

    Travis was a member of the Church of Latter Day Saints and that makes him a Mormon. There is an interesting article in Psychology Today, written by a female sociopath who is also a law professor. Remember from my earlier articles, sociopath = psychopath= antisocial personality disorder. You will also remember that I firmly believe the best diagnosis for Jodi Arias is antisocial personality disorder (sociopath, psychopath), not borderline.

    In the article, written by the confessed sociopath, she makes a very interesting observation. I will quote it here for you. “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a sociopath’s dream.”

    If you want a full explanation of the meaning of that quotation, please read her article. In essence, what she is saying is that Mormons are easily conned, manipulated and deceived basically because they are trusting and look for the best in other people. They think there is good within each person and that each person can be helped to bring that good out.

    Travis’s sexual inexperience coupled with his true helping Mormon nature, made him the perfect prey for Ms. Arias, the psychopathic murderer.

    PS. Please do read the article that I have referenced above. Listen to the words in the description of the self confessed sociopath (psychopath) who wrote the article. Let me know if she doesn’t sound very much like Jodi Arias.

    • 06/13/2013 at 8:32 am

      Morning to everyone who is up and about…. This was an interesting article…promo to the book she wrote.

    • Snafu
      06/13/2013 at 10:47 pm

      S. Please do read the article that I have referenced above. Listen to the words in the description of the self confessed sociopath (psychopath) who wrote the article. Let me know if she doesn’t sound very much like Jodi Arias.

      HI, I know I’m getting into this conversation late and have missed ALOT but that was an interesting post and I’d like to read the article you’re referring too…do you have a link for that?

  28. JesusFreak
    06/13/2013 at 10:12 am

    Chrissie A :
    Hey guys, popping in with an update if you haven’t seen or heard it yet:

    ty. i had not seen that.

  29. JesusFreak
    06/13/2013 at 10:16 am

    bubblebutts :
    Good point: SHe said she’d be a model prisoner, yet she has 14 jailhouse infractions…

    okay, i probably missed this Q&A, but can Juanderful bring in the infractions during DP Phase?

    • WhereIsSHE
      06/13/2013 at 1:07 pm

      No. Her jailhouse infractions are not legally relevant, because the state is seeking to have the death penalty imposed as a result of her commission of 1st degree murder and the jury’s finding of the aggravator (and not because she misbehaved behind bars by sneaking pens– or trying to sneak pens, etc, etc).
      The legal argument for her death is that she committed an extremely cruel, premeditated murder.

      Hope that answer explains why the infractions are legally not relevant.

      • Joanne Folz
        06/13/2013 at 1:49 pm

        Aren’t they relevant to rebut any defense assertions of her being a model prisoner as those statements are presented as mitigators?

  30. Family of Law
    06/13/2013 at 12:07 pm

    Good morning all!!!! In case you haven’t already seen this…. Jury foreman Bill…

  31. Ci Ci's Circle
    06/13/2013 at 12:11 pm

    True?????? Can’t find any news articles about this comment from the Wild About Trial twitter page:

    Michael Timmermann ‏@MichaelHLN 27m
    #JodiArias defense files motion to continue penalty phase until January 2014.

    • renae
      06/13/2013 at 12:43 pm

      I have also heard of it…..and HLN is said to be splashing it

      • renae
        06/13/2013 at 12:45 pm

        Judge S. has also re-sealed all bench and chamber conferences so as not to bias any new jury

  32. renae
    06/13/2013 at 1:13 pm

    Here is court document ordering re-sealing of current and all future conferences, meetings: http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/062013/m5812262.pdf

  33. renae
    06/13/2013 at 1:21 pm

    Corey Rangel ‏@CoreyABC15 1m
    #JodiArias’ attorneys want to delay her penalty phase until JANUARY 2014. They filed a motion. Read it here: http://media2.abc15.com/html/pdf/ariasmotion.pdf

    • Joanne Folz
      06/13/2013 at 1:45 pm

      Read it and though there are a few valid points, nothing justifies such a long delay. If I were the judge, new new date would be no later than October. With all the defense has in hand, not reasonable to grant so much additional time.

    • Elexa
      06/13/2013 at 5:19 pm

      What a load of crap!!! They claim wanting to paint a full picture at least five times!

      Can’t she just find a full picture to COPY????

      • NapaNonnie
        06/15/2013 at 11:49 am

        LOLz. Since her “pictures” are all tracings and copies.

    • GN5020
      06/13/2013 at 5:21 pm

      Hearing on the motion scheduled for next Thursday. Will be interesting to see how Judge Stephens rules. Hopefully she will tell them that (1) she will contact judges on their other cases to push those back, and (2) she will tell them they were supposed to be ready for a retrial immediately so more time to produce a new defense strategy is not warranted.

  34. Joanne Folz
    06/13/2013 at 1:37 pm

    If penalty phase is postponed to January (!) have to ask why victims are not afforded rights to speedy trial. State of Arizona should have some recourse to prevent defense attorneys from creating these ridiculous delays. I could rest easier if assured that between now and January (and hopefuly long after) Arias continues to be confined to the small cell 24/7 and cannot access press.

  35. WhereIsSHE
    06/13/2013 at 3:32 pm

    Joanne Folz :Aren’t they relevant to rebut any defense assertions of her being a model prisoner as those statements are presented as mitigators?

    Well… technically, they could be relevant for that limited purpose, but when you are trying a case, you have to keep your eye on the big picture.I mean… the state is asking the jury to put her to death for a premeditated murder, carried out with extreme cruelty. That is what you want them to focus on– that she coldly planned and visciously carried out this horrific, bloody murder–and then went about her merry way.
    Proving that she had a spat with a cell mate– or tried to get a few pens into her cell– is not only not going to seem bit petty, it takes the focus off of the conduct you really want the jurors to be focused on the entire time.
    I seriously doubt that any juror who would vote for the death penalty otherwise would be persuaded to change that vote just because Wilmott says she has behaved herself behind bars.
    You have to keep your eye on your own issues and not be drawn into your opponents red herrings.

    So, technically, it could be relevant based on the defense “opening the door” to it via Wilmott’s comment, but strategically, it would be a waste of time. It would have required Juan to call yet another witness on this non-essential matter, and he was not interested in prolonging the process, as anyone who watched the trial could see.
    He wanted to streamline it as much as possible, and keep the jury’s eye on Travis’ murder, which is why they were all there.

    I mean… she hid some pens, trying to do her scribbling in her cell.
    I don’t think that is actually relevant to the question of why she should be put to death.

  36. janeto
    06/13/2013 at 7:21 pm

    Just popping in. That is such b.s. about yet another motion for delay! Unbelievable! I hope like Hell it doesn’t get pushed that far! Sorry damn excuse for a human being she is!

  37. Susan M
    06/13/2013 at 11:58 pm

    GN5020 :
    Hearing on the motion scheduled for next Thursday. Will be interesting to see how Judge Stephens rules. Hopefully she will tell them that (1) she will contact judges on their other cases to push those back, and (2) she will tell them they were supposed to be ready for a retrial immediately so more time to produce a new defense strategy is not warranted.

  38. Susan M
    06/14/2013 at 12:12 am

    I agree with you GN. This sentencing should take precedence over those that haven’t started.

  39. nyccowgirl
    06/14/2013 at 12:26 am

    Snafu :
    S. Please do read the article that I have referenced above. Listen to the words in the description of the self confessed sociopath (psychopath) who wrote the article. Let me know if she doesn’t sound very much like Jodi Arias.
    HI, I know I’m getting into this conversation late and have missed ALOT but that was an interesting post and I’d like to read the article you’re referring too…do you have a link for that?

    This was the article – turns out she’s promoting a book after this article made the press. She was also interviewed by Dr. Phil. I remember seeing it somewhere – I think YouTube, and she wore a wig for some reason. Some have speculated that she’s doing this for attention and is making things up – perhaps that means she meets the diagnosis.


  40. nyccowgirl
    06/14/2013 at 12:36 am

    sorry for moderation donchais. you would think i’d figure this out by now although i still don’t know where we get alerted on responses to post. [heading to naughty corner…where’s the booze bubbles?]

  41. nyccowgirl
    06/14/2013 at 1:01 am

    renae :
    Corey Rangel ‏@CoreyABC15 1m
    #JodiArias’ attorneys want to delay her penalty phase until JANUARY 2014. They filed a motion. Read it here: http://media2.abc15.com/html/pdf/ariasmotion.pdf

    why wait a month later to file this? so they can book all their vacations and then say they are busy? is this to give them time to forge letters and evidence as mitigating factors or for her to grow out enough hair so that she can actually have evidence of donating it for once?

    • Chrissie A
      06/14/2013 at 4:20 am

      Hi NYC! And if they do pull the continuation off will “The Nurm” still be pulling in his new private practice rate of $200+ per hour at the cost of the state? if so, it may be time to allow him to be excused, (as he has requested this so often) and bring in another state attorney.

      • janeto
        06/14/2013 at 9:48 am

        Hi Chrissie!! I’m at work, but saw u were on! Missed u dear!! I hope the motion gets denied. A load of crap! She should tell them enough is enough, & work THEIR time off around the courts! If miss bitch ain’t got no one to talk for her, TOUGH! And the new jury can look over the case already in evidence, then show her post verdict interviews! Go from there! There is already PROOF how the “big picture of her” is!! They don’t deserve such a delay! I feel so sorry for the Alexander family to put up with so much! FASTRACK this already!!!

      • Chrissie A
        06/15/2013 at 7:07 pm

        Hi Janet 🙂 Sorry we keep on missing each other! I hope that you are having a relaxing weekend honey. ~hugs~

    • janeto
      06/14/2013 at 10:54 am

      My thoughts exactly!!!!!

  42. 06/14/2013 at 10:27 am

    Happy Friday all,

    I was channel surfing last night and came across that clip of Wobo performing “Oh Holy Night.” Now, I used to like that Christmas carol, but she has absolutely ruined it for me forever. Her evil, insincere, saccharine delivery makes the hair at the back of my neck stand on end. She is pure evil. What was that stuff on NG about her being transferred to a 20-bed psychiatric facility? I am glad there is a big Pow Wow tomorrow–I need to hear drumming to wash all that vile evil out of me! Have a great weekend everyone.

    • 06/14/2013 at 10:42 am

      Enjoy your Pow Wow Cat. The one where I live (Brantford, On., abutting Six Nations,) isn’t until the end of July.

      • janeto
        06/14/2013 at 10:52 am

        Hi beans! Ok, I give up…..what’s with the pow wow??? What’s this??? & cat mentioned JA being transferred to a psych facility with 20 beds? Anyone else heard that? Hope MMD is feeling better tday. Looks like her & DP had waaayyy too much fun in the naughty corner the other day! Happy Friday all!!

      • 06/14/2013 at 11:03 am

        Hey Janeto, a pow wow is a Native gathering of various bands, clans and indigenous people from around the world that celebrates the different cultures and ceremonies with traditional music, dancing and food. All are welcome. HLN reported the psych ward transfer last night – don’t have any more details.

      • janeto
        06/14/2013 at 12:24 pm

        Well thank you beans! That’s cool! Like our music festival here. Or south be southwest! (SXSW)

    • janeto
      06/14/2013 at 10:55 am

      I’ve come to HATE, HATE, HATE that song too! Totally ruined it for me, the damn wench!!

    • janeto
      06/14/2013 at 12:26 pm

      Enjoy Pow Wow! (now that I know what it is) 😀

    • Kristy
      06/14/2013 at 2:55 pm

      Do not give WOBO any power over what Christmas carols to like.

    • dpforjodi
      06/17/2013 at 9:08 am

      That was my favorite carol too. Enjoy the Pow Wow.

  43. Jill
    06/14/2013 at 1:38 pm

    Hi Beans, I didn’t realize that all are welcome. I would love to experience a pow wow. That would be absolutely amazing and so special! Do you have any idea how I can locate one near me in Las Vegas? Is there a national website or something like that where I can learn about it? Ty, Jill

    • 06/14/2013 at 3:20 pm

      Hi Jill! Here’s a handy website that lists most if not all the Pow Wows in the US & Canada:
      They are a LOT of fun, and everybody is welcome–you don’t have to be one of us “Injuns” to enjoy them. There’s lots of food, music, dancing, and traders selling all sorts of Native crafts. The one I’m going to tomorrow is the largest in our area, “Homecoming of the Three Fires” Pow Wow. I’m Ojibway, but there are 2 other tribes native to Michigan (Odawa & Pottawatomie) so we all get together. It’s on the Grand River right across from the Veteran’s Facility & every year drummers & dancers in full Native regalia go to the facility to honor the veterans for their sacrifices and their service. They then put on a dinner for the residents. It’s quite moving. I can’t wait to get my hands on an Indian Strawberry Shortcake. It’s fry bread (food of the Gods), topped with fresh Michigan strawberries & slathered with whipped cream. YUM! That is one sublime earthly pleasure I am glad to think that Wobo will never experience! 🙂

      • 06/14/2013 at 3:55 pm

        The same is done here concerning the Vets, Six Nations has WW II, Korean war, Viet Nam & Gulf War vets. They are variously ex Marines, U.S. Army & Canadian Forces. The fry bread up here is pretty tasty too.

      • 06/14/2013 at 4:09 pm

        Hi Beans! The Six Nations. That’s the oldest living participatory Democracy on the planet. Ben Franklin & Thomas Jefferson drew many of their ideas from it. You really don’t live *too* far from me. I’m in SW lower Michigan. I remember going to the Veteran’s Facility to help serve the dinner in the late 1970’s/early 1980’s and seeing the Vietnam vets just sobbing, overcome that somebody was recognizing and honoring their sacrifice. I’ve never forgotten it.

      • 06/14/2013 at 4:12 pm

        By the way, Six Nations is on the Grand River too. Originally their land encompassed 6 miles on either side of the Grand River from source to mouth. This isn’t the forum to get into why that isn’t the case anymore.

      • 06/14/2013 at 4:14 pm

        “This isn’t the forum to get into why that isn’t the case anymore.” Yeah, Jodi Arias has done a lot of things, but we can’t blame her for that, LOL!

      • 06/14/2013 at 4:20 pm

        re: democracy , I know, cool eh? – also a matriarchy. I’m not Native but have many friends on the rez – up to last Dec., for the past 10 years I was the copy editor for a small weekly newspaper on SN. – google “the Tekawennake” if you’re curious.

      • 06/14/2013 at 4:22 pm

        Laughing – as much as we might like to blame stabby.

      • 06/14/2013 at 4:46 pm

        Cat, concerning the Nam vets, the same thing has occurred here. We have 3 different Native Remembrance Day ceremonials here, 1 on the traditional Canadian date, SN,has their own, and then again at the Pow Wow.

      • 06/14/2013 at 4:56 pm

        I’ll bet the Six Nations Pow Wow is awesome, Beans. I went to a Pow Wow in South Dakota about 20 years ago and there were 10,000 dancers. I’ve never seen anything like it in my life. I used to “fancy dance” when I was younger and not so creaky, but now I just mostly watch. I still have my jingle dress somewhere. It would probably just be a big cat toy if I broke it out now, LOL.The drumming is so very soothing–it’s like my heart starts beating to the rhythm of the drum. It is a deeply personal & spiritual thing.

      • Jill
        06/14/2013 at 6:01 pm

        Hi Cat, Ty sooo much! I have the October date on my calendar. It is the….9th Anual Las Vegas Inter-Tribal Veterans Pow Wow. It is on a Saturday and Sunday. Is there ever a best day to go when it is held on two days? For example, is there a special opening or closing ceremony that I wouldn’t want to miss? Again, Ty so much….I would have never known about this without you. And, it is fifteen minutes from my home.

    • 06/14/2013 at 4:35 pm

      If you do attend one just be careful with your camera. Cat can advise on this better than me, but up here taking pics is considered disrespectful without permission – which is freely given when the dancers are performing.

      • 06/14/2013 at 4:57 pm

        Yeah, pictures while dancing is fine, but ask permission if they’re not–especially the elders.

      • Jill
        06/14/2013 at 6:02 pm

        Ty for the tip. I’ll remember that.

    • 06/14/2013 at 5:17 pm

      Cat, I love the drum circles, there is something so powerful, so atavistic about them that pulls me in. My grandfather was Irish so I guess it’s understandable – bagpipes have the same effect on me, I’ll be standing there like a fool with tears running down my face.

  44. Jill
    06/14/2013 at 1:45 pm

    Hi everyone, I read this in an article that Chrissie posted and thought we should all pass this on…..
    Examiner strongly urges readers to boycott the premiere of “Dirty Little Secret,” to send a message to Lifetime that revisionist murder is not entertainment.
    **There will be plenty of re-runs. Watch one, if you must. Catch it on YouTube an hour after it premieres. **Do not give Lifetime the premiere ratings they want.**Maybe they will re-think their definition of “appropriate entertainment.”
    A successful boycott of this Travis-ty could prevent future victims and families from being turned into fodder for cheap, exploitative “entertainment.”
    Boycott the movie.
    Pass it on.

    • Joanne
      06/14/2013 at 2:47 pm

      Since most homes are not part of the Nielsen family, doubtful there will be any way Lifetime will know exactly how many potential viewers shut them out. I think the best way to be heard is to make note of who is sponsoring this trash, and let them know their products will no longer be purchased by this segment of the thinking public. I will be tuning in and out in order to get a list together. Probably won’t be complete, but those sponsors should be told off and hopefully get the point in their profit statements.

      • Jill
        06/14/2013 at 5:57 pm

        Hi Joanne, isn’t there another way that they track what we watch through our cable boxes? I thought I read somewhere that they do this?

    • Elexa
      06/14/2013 at 4:00 pm

      I’ve blocked Lifetime on my cable and I wrote them to let them know why. It’s my guess that there must be SOME record of channels that people block so if enough people do it, they may get the hint.

      • 06/14/2013 at 4:29 pm

        if i remember the numbers correctly, for every complaint a channel receives, they assume there are 10 more viewers who don’t complain but feel the same way – they take that seriously.

      • Jill
        06/14/2013 at 6:03 pm

        Hi Elexa, I didn’t know we could block a certain channel. I will call my cable and try to do same. I do not like that station. Ty.

      • 06/17/2013 at 1:35 am

        I wrote a letter to lifetime and will also be removing the channel from my package. Hopefully we can get thru to them. We are down to the wire so everyone please give them a piece of your mind. I hope the Alexander family also expressed their disgust.

  45. deballyn
    06/14/2013 at 2:40 pm

    Happy Friday everyone. Doing a fly by now, been real busy hope to get back with you all tonight or tomorrow . I think about you all alot. Someone sent me a video link today ,
    It’s about 7 minutes of Kathy Griffith discussing her thoughts about Jodi Arias folding her on twitter. Add a little humor to your day.
    I need to go way upstairs and read the comments later. .{{{{hugging you tightly}}}}
    Donchais…thank you as always for letting us in to vent, discuss and frolic.


  46. CathyP
    06/14/2013 at 4:56 pm

    Happy Friday – haven’t posted for awhile. We recently moved to AZ and finally bought a house so that has been keeping me quite busy. I thought I would mention that as I was running errand this morning, I ran into Arpaio;s women’s “chain gang” doing road construction duty, stripes and all. Took me by surprise, but was happy to see the prisoners working in the heat like the rest of the workers. Gave me a little sense of peace, knowing what Jodi may be in for.

  47. 06/14/2013 at 5:00 pm

    Well, I am about to sign off. Have a great weekend everybody!

    • 06/14/2013 at 5:25 pm

      You too Cat, enjoy your weekend.

    • Jill
      06/14/2013 at 6:15 pm

      Hi and bye, Cat! Whenever I come on, it seems like everybody is gone. 😦

  48. 06/14/2013 at 7:25 pm

    Just been reading the crock of shit motion. Immediately after the guilty verdict when JA gave her interview did she not say that Wurmi/Willnot had told her there were NO mitigating factors? THEN there was the carry on about PotHeadPatti who was in fear of her life but can’t keep herself off TV. DeadBeatDarryl was there to speak but was not used. All her family was there and not one was presented. So why is it necessary to have a further 6 months to come up with people to speak up for her? If they couldn’t come up with anything after 5 years what is going to change in 6 months? What was Miss Mitigation Specialist doing?

    Willnot and Wurmi too busy? Get replacement counsel. It’s only Willnot with new trials. Can’t Nurmi continue as lead and get a new 2nd chair? Do they need a 2nd chair?

    I seriously believe Stevens WILL DENY this motion. She is so over the games being played and must know this is just another one. She has denied every request for mistrial made by Nurmi so I think this ridiculous attempt to drag this out will be seen for what it is and she will take control.

    • janeto
      06/14/2013 at 8:45 pm

      Hey Essem. Long time no see! I hope u are right & Stevens will throw them under the bus, but you never know about her either!!!She frustrates me almost as much as the DT!!

      • 06/15/2013 at 2:11 am

        Hi Janeto, been catching up when I can but didn’t have anything to add UNTILI read about the motion to delay and I was outraged.

    • Jay
      06/14/2013 at 10:36 pm

      Stevens is almost certain to grant a delay based on court conflicts.
      (But not for the other issues in the motion).
      Think big picture and you’ll figure out why…

      • 06/15/2013 at 2:08 am

        Sorry can you please paint the big picture for me (and no tracing copyrighted art work) could be many other issues.

      • Jay
        06/15/2013 at 1:14 pm

        Soto, Rodriguez, Webb, Clouser, and Bustillos-Flores.
        And the presumption of innocence, and the right to a speedy trial.

        Those are Willmott’s pending trials. The Arias judge isn’t going to delay those five trials just for a sentencing re-trial for a defendant already convicted of first degree murder. I doubt she’ll delay for six month — but October or November seems probable.

        Get the big picture now?

        And it’s time for you and others here to quit the continued childish, puerile, hateful bad-mouthing of people associated with the defense who weren’t in favor of the death penalty for Arias.

        Calling those potential mitigation witnesses potheads and dead beats — that’s real mature of you. If you’re so in favor of the death penalty in Capital murder cases, why don’t you spend more time bad-mouthing your own government to reestablish it in Australia.

        That goes for all you Canadians too. No death penalty in your country either. 25 years to life for ALL First Degree murders. And 85% to 90% of those killers are eventually paroled. A quick google search will show at least a dozen murder trials in both your English-speaking countries with defendants way more hideous than Arias… Focus your bile on them. Change your laws to kill them. Get the ball rolling and start cursing out your legislators to snuff them out. Don’t forget to come up with some great alliterative insults for those who don’t agree.

      • 06/15/2013 at 2:50 pm

        Jay, Jodi committed her crime in the State of Arizona which provides for the death penalty if the crime meets certain criteria. The laws of other States and countries is not relevant.

        I’m sure many other cases were rescheduled already because of this trial unless it was expected to take 5 months and I imagine this one was rescheduled due to other trials.

        And who made you forum moderator? You attack everybody on this forum.

      • 06/15/2013 at 3:03 pm

        Donchais I certainly don’t mean that you as forum moderator do attack people.

    • nyccowgirl
      06/14/2013 at 10:49 pm

      when will they nip this womack thing in the butt? she was afraid of perjury and her own criminal activities. she even went on tv afterwards and said she couldn’t testify because she felt bad for travis’ family. why isn’t that replayed over and over every time defense brings up death threats. MMD should get her lover to call DT out on that crap.

      • janeto
        06/15/2013 at 9:14 am

        Amen nyc! Juan should mention that at the hearing!!!

    • 06/17/2013 at 2:14 am

      Hi Essem-I hope you are right! This has dragged on for SO long after a whole 5 years of waiting. I pray that Judge Stephens will think about the length of time as well as the Alexander family. She knows how hard this has been on them as well as all the shenanigans the DT has put everyone thru with their delays, absences, files for mistrial, etc. It has to end somewhere. Soon. I would think that she personally has had enough as well. I’m sure it’s taken a toll on her too. Why can’t the new cases be rescheduled? This case ia fresh. They just did the penalty phase so they shouldn’t have to take another 6 months to re-prepare. All their notes and preparations were done, why should they have 6months to re-do it all? Doesn’t the judge see thru their bullshit by now??? Makes me so mad the first jury didn’t complete this one way or the other! I prefer the DP but foe the sake of everyone involved wish the completed this phase too.

      However, all that being said…i must say I’m such a nervous wreck about this because the more time the DT has, the better their new defense strategy will be. She will have more time to “create” her new ideas for all she can do in the prison, start another charitable donation thingy, write another bullshit speech that may actually make the new jurors feel sorry for her, make a Better picture slide show, donate her hair for the “4th time” and actually show up in court with really short hair as her proof, maybe someone will actually speak on her behalf. Gives Patty time to be cleaned up and take care of all her legal issues so Juan has nothing to snag her on. Can we write letters or Send emails to Judge Stephens just to give her a helping hand with her decision? 🙂

  49. nyccowgirl
    06/15/2013 at 12:08 pm

    mikee d entertainment…sorry if someone already posted.

    • 06/15/2013 at 12:21 pm

      Thanks NYC, needed a laugh today.

    • 06/15/2013 at 12:59 pm

      Somebody have mercy and please make this jury foreman stop talking.

      • Jay
        06/15/2013 at 1:22 pm

        Why? You don’t believe in freedom of speech? Too narrow-minded to listen to other points of view?

        A third of the jury agreed with him. You want to shut them up too? You want to shut him up about the reasons he decided on guilty for First Degree murder as well?

        If it’s OK for you to want him to stop talking, then I guess it’s OK to tell you to stop talking too. Right?

      • 06/15/2013 at 1:44 pm

        It sure is Jay, as you just did. I have no problem accepting the decision of the jury but this guy’s reasoning is faulty and I was expressing my desire to hear no more of it. What’s that called? Oh yeah, freedom of speech. He explained his position once, that was good enough for me.

  50. Elexa
    06/15/2013 at 12:24 pm

    Jill :
    Hi Elexa, I didn’t know we could block a certain channel. I will call my cable and try to do same. I do not like that station. Ty.

    Actually it’s “locked”, meaning you need to enter a password to use it. It’s mainly for keeping your children off certain channels.

    If you are able to lock it, make sure to let Lifetime know you blocked it and why.

  51. nyccowgirl
    06/15/2013 at 12:34 pm

    have ya seen this? and before anyone gets worked up, the poster actually thinks this rendition is more cruel. of course the trolls are spinning it to being JM intentionally lying but he even noted in either closing or penalty phase that it really doesn’t matter which version you believe as it doesn’t take away from premeditation or cruelty.

    • 06/15/2013 at 1:17 pm

      I still have trouble with the shell casing ending up on top of the blood and this guy is speculating about how that occurred. Why make it complicated, trying to adapt the evidence to a theory – fact is, blood was there first, casing came after imo.

  52. geri5699
    06/15/2013 at 12:52 pm

    During the HLN interview why didn’t JVM ask womatt if she did drugs with Jodi and a “witness” ? Jaun said she refused to answer this in court. . This would have been news..The fact that JA was a drug user.. When did she stop using ??? Maybe she was on drugs or pills when she killed TA,. .the DT didn’t want Womatt to testify because she would have made Jodi look really bad.. They tried to clean JA up and made her a “photographer’ and “artist”. It sounds better than “server”. She owned a camera. that doesn’t make her a photographer .How could she have taken womatts wedding pictures when she was in the wedding party? ..If you’ve ever been in a wedding party you’d know that you had to be in the picture and she was in all the pixs… .She had some pencils and paper —doesn’t make her an artist..She had no training in either. They look like the were traced using that “lite” machine that you put the picture under and the image appears on a clean sheet of paper and you copy it.. You can make the pix any size.. I bought them for my grandkids in AC Moores . Most of the pictures of TA and her were taken by someone else..The ones of Jodi were taken by TA or someone else–

    • janeto
      06/15/2013 at 8:20 pm

      Geri5699, well said! Took my thoughts right out of my head!! Everything u said! Bravo!! 🙂

    • 06/17/2013 at 2:30 am

      Geri-all great points! I would also like to add that the only pictures we have ever seen in which Jodi “The photographer” took were the ones she took the day she killed him. Now, i don’t know about anyone else here but IMO they sucked! They were awful. So Dark and some looked grainy/blurry..poses made no sense..they were just horrible for a photographer to have taken. My 12 yr old has taken pictures Better than that! It’s both comical amd pathetic and i wish Juan could say every thing we just said lol..

  53. geri5699
    06/15/2013 at 2:02 pm

    NYC—Thanks for the videos . They were great finds..there hasn’t been much mention of JA on this site lately. .A great pickle recipe , that I copied and some other stuff. Soon we’ll be sayin Jodi who????? does anyone know if the credit card she had was the only one she had ?? or if she was the secondary user on the card…when I got my first credit card, I was the secondary user. My husband was on it and could have had me removed at any time. He was responsible for any debt I incurred . Gus S. was very good to Jodi.. did he get her a credit card ? I don’t think she had credit as her house was in foreclosure.. He got her that phone. Was the phone bill in her name??? Who paid the bill???.was it a plan of some sort that was paid by someone else?? Like PPL… Wasn’t she working for them??.. who paid for TA’s phone ?? was it on a plan from PPL

    • 06/17/2013 at 2:44 am

      LOL Geri, you cracked me up with all of your questions..i too would love to know allll those answers. As we all heard during trial, she job hopped like changing underwear (well, maybe not Jodi’s changing schedule). She was unemployed a lot too. She wasn’t with PLL long at all. When you apply for a credit card you need to show you have a job and how long you had been there and your salary. Being a waitress doesn’t pay much hourly and tips vary…and when at PLL she said she only made $250 in a month. With a house foreclosure your credit is effected. So, those are great questions!

  54. geri5699
    06/15/2013 at 2:49 pm

    (-And it’s time for you and others here to quit the continued childish, puerile, hateful bad-mouthing of people associated with the defense who weren’t in favor of the death penalty for Arias)
    I don’t think That you are right in your name calling… What people are saying is based on facts. Didn’t you listen to JM state that Womatt refused to tesify and took the 5th because she was asked questions about her and Jodi’s drug use and her not reporting the money she made from selling pictures of JA to the media while on welfare??…..JM wouldn’t have stated that in court if it wasn’t true, plus there was a witness to her doing drugs with JA.. Now HLN is putting lipstick on the pig to make it look better.. Womatt would have lost custody of her child if this came out in court- that’s why she didn’t testify for Jodi.. I don’t believe in the DP and would have been honest and told the truth when asked when they were picking the jury ..and not gone on the jury panel..We are all intitled to our opinion but he lied about his beliefs…she is a brutal, cruel murderer…It’s hard to believe it’s her first murder…It was so planned out for so long. Such involved planning. .If TA wasn’t so popular and had so many friends I don’t think this would have been solved so easy.. .Everyone told the police she was his killer when they heard he was murdered. I hope she gets LWOP

  55. 06/15/2013 at 3:05 pm

    Jay, you seem a little cranky today. FYI, since you’re a self-professed pedant I’ll help you out here, the judge’s name is ‘Stephens’ while ‘childish’ and ‘puerile’ is redundant, hope you don’t mind me exercising a little freedom of speech.

  56. donchais
    06/15/2013 at 4:28 pm

    OK, see the infantile and nasty comments continue…donchais is not a happy camper to see this blog to be pulled into the gutter.

    Believe I have been fairly tolerant, but will not allow the vitriol of one poster to upset a basically sound, compassionate, and respectful group of folks be subjected to unwarranted name-calling and ridicule from someone who possess a demigod affliction.

    In the years this blog has been operative, I have only banned 3 or 4 people who have been allowed previous access…we can now up that number by one.

    My final statement is that this whole discussion stop now or the blog will be on time-out!!!

    • 06/15/2013 at 4:32 pm

      Thank you

    • Schaeffer
      06/16/2013 at 1:47 am

      donchais, thank you for taking the matter in hand; this is ample evidence of why you are so deservedly in charge.

  57. donchais
    06/15/2013 at 5:13 pm

    Just as a reminder, perhaps it is a good time for all to look at the right-hand side of the blog under, Visitor Comments – or the Terms of Service (TOS)…they are enforced!

    • 06/15/2013 at 5:23 pm

      Sorry Donchais, saw a comrade take a poke in the nose and didn’t like it.

      • donchais
        06/15/2013 at 5:25 pm

        I hear ya!

      • 06/15/2013 at 5:58 pm

        Thank you too Beans. Nose back to normal now.

      • janeto
        06/15/2013 at 6:58 pm

        You beat me to it beans! But I believe donchais knows we have each others backs. “Mom” we apologize for coming to our friends aid when attacked. We don’t mean you any problems. We love you & this blog, & everyone on it. Thank you again for all you do!! 😀

  58. Chrissie A
    06/15/2013 at 6:57 pm

    FYI – via Justice4Travis:

    Travis Alexander’s “Road To A Better You” | Free Download Link

    I’m happy to advise that this link will soon be available on the Travis Alexander Legacy site, therefore it’s been endorsed by the family.

    Many thanks to Topher Johnson for taking the time to put this together.


    • 06/15/2013 at 7:36 pm

      Thank you for this Chrissie.

    • 06/15/2013 at 8:23 pm

      Great find Chrissie. Just re-affirms what an intelligent sensitive man Travis was. What chameleon form was Jodi for Travis to have EVER been attracted to her? Makes me think he finally saw the real Jodi and in accepting this reality sent that text which set his fate.

    • Jill
      06/17/2013 at 1:05 pm

      Wow, that was amazing! We should all live so positive and enthusiastic! Ty, Chrissie.

  59. nyccowgirl
    06/16/2013 at 4:37 am
  60. jad
    06/17/2013 at 4:16 am

    NO MATTER WHO IT IS PRESENTING THE INFORMATION, YOU CAN TRUST IF YOU DARE, BUT DON’T FORGET TO VERIFY. THUS, THE WEB ADDRESS HAS BEEN POSTED. THE FOLLOWING IS A BREAKDOWN OF THAT JANUARY 31, 2013 COURT TRANSCRIPT ALONG WITH OTHER INFORMATION THAT MIGHT PERTAIN. Much appreciation is sent your way for posting the web address of the transcript of that January 31, 2013 [sidebar or] in-Chambers discussion about the possible use of the sex tape that had been planned as part of a strategy to lay claim to the use of self defense to justify the crime of murder in the case made by the criminal lawyers. For those of you who read this interpretation and want to review the actual transcript, the web address is http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/0607arias-sex-tape-proceeding.pdf Again, thank you NancyB for setting me on the right track.

    Using all the information that has become available, one can discover that some of the evidence used in the Trial was tainted, some of it deliberately. In addition, there have been accusations made, against the prosecutor, by licensed members of the Bar of the State of Arizona, that were malicious in nature and had no basis in fact. There has also been an intentional, enterprising maneuver by a criminal defense team to perpetrate a fraud upon the court, and, in so doing, enrich a gaggle of inter-connected persons [expert in their field] in a scheme to enrich. This has been done on the backs of the Arizona taxpayer by using a case involving a victim of a violent crime. As more-and-more information spills out, the holes are starting to fill, the puzzle pieces able to be put together to form a whole picture. The peeps in this room have kept an interest in the big picture because of the love for a man that most of us have never met and because of a demand for justice in the cause for this man and his family, whom we have grown to greatly admire. In our search for justice, we try to tie together loose ends so the case becomes easier to understand and so that we might alleviate the load off of the shoulders of those carrying the weight for so long and be able to take some action that can help the Alexander family in their quest for justice for their beloved brother.

    Captain Bubbles has spoken of a campaign. Maybe some of this research could pay off with a letter writing campaign that can be used to reveal information, to the proper authorities, that can dispute what the criminal lawyers have been falsely portraying as the truth of the matter. So — today certain information has been laid out about that so-called sex tape while bringing out more information included in that January 31, 2013 transcript. Tomorrow will be scheduled to bring out certain of the information involving the Petition for Review that falsely accused Detective Esteban Flores of perjury. Following that will be posted information to show the many, many, many times that Wurmi sought and received continuances (which should prevent this criminal lawyer from being successful when seeking yet another continuance). Then, will be posted the Law showing the rights of the Victim to Speedy Trial. Hopefully, some of you will review this information and use it in order that the Trial is NOT delayed another day. Maybe if we are successful in the campaign, the end will come to this continuing torture [that includes Court room antics of dragging the name and reputation of the Alexander’s beloved brother in the mud], and the family will be able to start to rebuild their lives.

    In the transcript in regards to the phone sex recording, the prosecutor extraordinaire (Juan M. Martinez) gave a brief rundown on the way that [a person that would later be sworn in, that was supposed to be a truthful, skilled expert witness, Lonnie] Dworkin had retrieved certain portions of information, from a phone the defense team planned to use as evidence in a Court case, with one side’s presentation made up by Jodi Arias aided by the assistance of her [ostensibly honor-bound truth-telling] criminal lawyers. This phone was that Helios Ocean cell phone that both Gus Searcy and Jodi Arias have sworn she had use of (and would have had to have activated for use by her carrier [even if she could have rescued the sim card — that is, if her previous cell phone, a Motorola RAZR, that had been submerged or immersed in hot chocolate during the time period of a U-Haul move out of Arizona, was the type sold in America that had a sim card], after receiving the brand new phone around the first week of April in 2008). Acquiring the new, unused cell phone, a Helios Ocean, was during that particular time when [the evidence of] the taped conversation [of May 10, 2008] could have been generated or re-recorded on that phone (and before the phone was lost or misplaced according to her Journal entry of Thursday May 22, 2008 that reported the reason for acquiring another [THIRD] phone that also would have had to have been activated in the same way any new phone must be activated with one’s carrier [which would be a part of the business records]).

    At the bottom of page 5 is a part of what the prosecutor said the defense team would re-lie upon, which was “There may be some photographs. And if we’re going to be talking photographs, I know that he also did the TLSI, I think he did the TLSI thing. And I believe there’s two pictures of Mr. Alexander’s penis. And then there’s three pictures of the defendant’s breasts”. This [part of the argument by the prosecutor against the use of the images of a flat chest and male genitalia, that had supposedly been retrieved from the Helios cell phone] continued on page 6, as “Quite frankly I don’t think he can distinguish those to whose penis those are or whose breasts those are. We know they’re there. And he can’t lay the foundation for them other than that they came from the telephone. So, I’m just — you know, I understand what they’re going to say, but I don’t believe that they’re admissible. And rather than making a big fight out there, I guess, I’m wanting to make the big fight here”. Afterwards, the Court acknowledged what the prosecutor had just presented [in the State’s case]; and, the presentation of the other side of the argument next went to criminal lawyer WillNot [for the defendant’s case].

    To digress [to other information about the case, NOT included in the transcript] — During the testimony of the Trial proceedings, it had been learned that Darryl Brewer had [severe] problems with drinking alcohol, which could have affected his judgment (since he was so much older and therefore had been an alcoholic for a prolonged period of time). Another fact that had been admitted was that while they lived together Jodi Arias had taken some type of a photograph of an exposed [naked] Darryl Brewer. It was also brought up that Darryl Brewer had documented the appearance of the breast area of Jodi Arias before breast augmentation surgery. The surgery was performed some time around March of 2006. The scheduled surgery occurred over six months before Jodi Arias met Travis Alexander (in September of 2006, at a Pre-Paid Legal convention in Las Vegas, Nevada). Therefore, Travis Alexander was not involved in taking the pictures of the flattened breast area of Jodi Arias, and he would not have been able to take pictures of his penis for Jodi Arias at that same occasion. The only other person present, at the time that the pictures of a flattened breast area were taken, was Darryl Brewer. If the pictures of an erect penis were also taken at this same time, the photographs of an erect penis that would be admitted at Trial could have been taken of the penis of Darryl Brewer [the business partner of Jodi Arias and occasional sexual partner of Jodi Arias, who confessed on the stand to having anal sex with his partner, but did not talk of sharing any other type of sex act with his live-in partner]. No one bothered to ask Jodi Arias if the picture of a male penis would have been hers, because certain information does not need to be requested, and facts can be assumed. After all, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it can also be a drake — or, something like that.

    To digress further — There was some thought given to the pictures being made with Gus Searcy, since he was with Jodi Arias on the date [at the end of February of 2008] that had been time stamped on two of the images. Gus Searcy spoke of the invitation he had given to Jodi Arias and her stay with him in his motor home in Las Vegas. During her stay with him, which she said only lasted a couple of days and nights, Jodi Arias testified that she received two images of an erect penis. She said she sent back a picture of her ass that was taken while she was bent over in Gus Searcy’s bathroom. This photo would be similar [if not the same] in character to one shown [time-stamped 1:44] on the day that Travis Alexander was slaughtered. Upon her return (on the date of Sunday, March 2, 2008), she wrote in her Journal that she would be moving back to her home with her family [in Yreka]. Another date she received an image of an erect penis was Veterans’ Day of 2006 when she was at a Super Saturday event in Anaheim, California. She was still living with Darryl Brewer at that time, but admitted meeting many men, of whom two of them whom she saw on Veterans Day at Anaheim, Abe Abdelhadi and John Dixon, she dated. She never mentioned where she met Gus Searcy, whose home base was in Pasadena, California, who would have probably participated in the Anaheim Super Saturday events as a member of Pre-Paid Legal. Gus Searcy was enough of a friend to Jodi Arias, that he met her for a period of time when she was moving to Yreka (where she has more missing time in another journey) to give her a new cell phone, after the Motorola RAZR she had used for years had allegedly become ruined from immersion in hot chocolate. During his sworn Trial testimony, he spoke about that time period visiting with her when she was wearing a long sleeved sweater (that sounded like the one described by Ryan Burns when Ryan saw her shortly after she murdered Travis Alexander). He later made comments [on a couple of news shows] that Jodi Arias had called him the night of the murder and told him that Travis was dead. He should have known something was amiss, since he was scheduled to be a participant along with Travis Alexander, on the Conference Call that June 4, 2008. He never gave his location, and no one thought to look at his phone records to see if he had gone to Las Vegas or any other location. However, his Appointment Calendar shows him at the same location as Jodi Arias on certain days of her travel to kill Travis Alexander.

    To digress [to other information about the case, NOT included in the transcript] — The criminal lawyers would know or should have known the Rules of the lawyers’ profession would not permit certain unseemly activity, which seemed to have been engaged in by these lawyers. These criminal lawyers are licensed by the Bar of Arizona and, under a Loyalty Oath. So, they understand membership requires strict adherence to certain Rules so as not to diminish the reputation of the Bar and its membership. Rule 3.4(a) of the Rules of Professional Conduct of the Rules Regulating the Arizona Bar prohibits a lawyer from unlawfully obstructing another party’s access to evidence or unlawfully altering, destroying, or concealing a document or other material having potential evidentiary value. In addition, the Rule demands a lawyer shall not counsel or assist another person to do any such act. Rule 3.4(b) of said Rules prohibits a lawyer from falsifying evidence, counseling or assisting a witness to testify falsely, or offering an inducement to a witness that is prohibited by law. Rule 4.1(a) of said Rules demands (when representing a client) a lawyer shall not knowingly make a false statement of material fact or law to a third person. Rule 4.1(b) of said Rules demands (when representing a client) a lawyer shall not knowingly fail to disclose a material fact when disclosure is necessary to avoid assisting a criminal or fraudulent act by a client.

    According to Rule 1.16(b)(3) of the Rules of Professional Conduct of the Rules Regulating the Arizona Bar, a lawyer can terminate representation if a client insists that his or her lawyer must perpetrate a fraud upon the Court. Furthermore, if the lawyer does not act to terminate representation and another lawyer finds the lawyer/client duo have acted in concert to perpetrate a fraud upon the Court, that other lawyer must report the conduct, under Rule 8.3(a) of said Rules — when that lawyer “knows that another lawyer has committed a violation of the Rules of Professional Conduct that raises a substantial question as to that lawyer’s honesty, trustworthiness or fitness as a lawyer in other respects [and] shall inform the appropriate professional authority”, or else be turned into the Bar for letting such egregious conduct continue unabated.

    It appears the people have no option but must depend on the Bar to regulate itself, as the Arizona Legislature has failed to put a Statute on the Books to protect the People and the Courts from acts of dishonesty, collusion, and fraud by lawyers. Arizona does not seem to have a Statute on the books to protect the people from a lawyer’s dishonest practice and deceit upon the Court, and the adjacent State of State of Utah repealed its Statute that had protected the people (and its Courts) from a lawyer’s dishonesty and deceit [at 70 P.3d 17, 33 (Utah 2003)], other than reporting the violation to a noncompliant Bar. However, the neighboring State of New Mexico [is one of twelve States that] has a Statute on the Books, at 36-2-17, N.M. Stat. Ann., that makes dishonest, reprehensible conduct and deceit by lawyers an affront to the State and actionable. Imagine that — a State that protects its citizens from dishonest conduct by lawyers that are members of the unified BAR. If Arizona had such a Law on the Books, the good citizens would not have to wait around for the Bar to take action against the criminal lawyers that have acted in such a gross fashion in the Jodi Arias case.

    • Jill
      06/17/2013 at 1:24 pm

      Great writing, Jad! Do u worry that if they eventually find the defense was dishonest and fraudulent, that wobo’s verdict will be overturned?

    • geri5699
      06/17/2013 at 5:53 pm

      Hi Jad- so interesting as usual…I always enjoy reading what you have to say…Do you know what the PPL conference call was about??? Did JA pay her own cell phone bill or did Gus S?? Did he just give her the phone, or did she pay him???

    • Anonymous
      06/18/2013 at 4:17 am

      Great research Jad. And Nurmi had the continual audacity to cry prosecutorial misconduct.

  61. Robert exits Rotterdam
    06/17/2013 at 4:37 am

    nyccg: thanks much for the link. Have been reading alot on the DP issue lately and still feel in my gut a sense that “doing it over” for sentencing is anti-constitutional in spirit, if not in letter. The link I’m attaching is to a NY Times article about the ethics of a jury member, which also is pertinent in some ways to this past “hung” jury for wobo.


  62. 06/17/2013 at 11:04 am

    Beans wrote on Friday:

    “Cat, I love the drum circles, there is something so powerful, so atavistic about them that pulls me in. My grandfather was Irish so I guess it’s understandable – bagpipes have the same effect on me, I’ll be standing there like a fool with tears running down my face.”

    I was “unplugged” all weekend and it was flipping AWESOME. No computer, no TV, no smartphone, no electronics, period.The drum circle was so therapeutic–well, so was the Indian Strawberry Shortcake, LOL. I am moved by Irish drumming & bagpipes too. The Mormons say that the Irish & Native Americans are 2 of the Seven Lost Tribes of Israel, so we’re both tribal! After all the heartbreak of losing my friend to murder and my husband’s very poor health, I needed this weekend more than I realized. As I listened to the drumming, I could literally feel the weight of my sorrow being lifted from my heart. It was an incredible experience. I hope you had a great weekend too.

  63. 06/17/2013 at 11:17 am

    I don’t know if Jill is reading this morning, but I wanted to answer her question from Friday:

    “Hi Cat, Ty sooo much! I have the October date on my calendar. It is the….9th Anual Las Vegas Inter-Tribal Veterans Pow Wow. It is on a Saturday and Sunday. Is there ever a best day to go when it is held on two days? For example, is there a special opening or closing ceremony that I wouldn’t want to miss? Again, Ty so much….I would have never known about this without you. And, it is fifteen minutes from my home.”

    You asked about the best time to go and I would say, especially if it’s your first Pow Wow, to get there in time for Grand Entry. That’s when all the drummers & dancers enter the ring in full tribal regalia. It’s very impressive. There are usually 3 Grand Entries during a 2-day Pow Wow: late morning/early afternoon on Saturday, early evening after supper on Saturday, and late morning/early afternoon on Sunday. They will be able to tell you what time each Grand Entry starts. I am sure you’ll have a great time, Jill! I’m so glad you’re excited about it–I love sharing my culture with others. Full disclosure–I’m only 3/4 Ojibwe (or Ojibway/Ojibwa)–the other 1/4 is a mixture of French Canadian & Irish, so I also celebrate St. Patrick’s Day & Bastille Day. Any old excuse to gather with friends & family for a celebration. 😉

    • Jill
      06/17/2013 at 1:17 pm

      Hi Cat, Ty for the great info about the Grand Entries! Can’t wait. It’s an honor talking to you. 🙂

      • 06/17/2013 at 1:40 pm

        Chi meegwetch, Jill! That means “thank you very much” in Ojibwe. We pronounce it Ch-eye Meg-wetch. It’s been a real pleasure to speak with you too. If you have any other questions, please don’t hesitate to ask!

    • Jill
      06/17/2013 at 7:07 pm

      Boo zhoo, Cat!
      Migwetch, Giminadan Gagiginonshiwan!
      Baamaapii, Jill

      • 06/18/2013 at 1:18 pm

        Aanii, Jill! I’m impressed. It’s been terrific talking to you too and I hope we speak again soon.

  64. geri5699
    06/17/2013 at 9:47 pm

    Patty Womack just called into Dr Drew and again said she didn’t do drugs, and Jodi was her former friend..she said they hung out together until their 20’s.. Patty wouldn’t answerJM’s questions about drug use with Jodi and a friend… and about her not claiming to welfare, the money she received for pixs of JA .. If this was a lie, JM would have been sued..No one on Dr Drew asked her why she didn’t answer JM’s questions about this

  65. Snafu
    06/17/2013 at 10:30 pm

    OK I’m getting in on this conversation really late and I’m sure this is something that’s readily apparent to everyone…well except me!
    Would someone please explain the term “WOBO”?! I’m sooo lost! 😉

    • janeto
      06/17/2013 at 11:09 pm

      It means “whore Of Babble On & on, & on!

      • Snafu
        06/18/2013 at 9:53 am

        *lol* Thank you!

  66. jad
    06/18/2013 at 9:06 am

    WHERE DO WE, THE PEOPLE, MAKE MISTAKES? IT IS IN OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW. THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO BE SO. On this occasion, it seems that most of us would like to have a better understanding of the Arizona Law because we might feel that we have been bamboozled by a couple of criminal lawyers representing the sadistic killer, Jodi Arias. We have already bonded with the memory of Travis Alexander, and most of us [at this web site] demand “Justice 4 Travis”. We have seen the tactics employed to try to ruin the good name and reputation of such a beautiful person. And, we might have reached a decision that the criminal lawyers have employed these perplexing tactics in the hope (they would be “winning” and) that we would not look at the Law to figure out how these criminal lawyers have abused the system. (Besides the feelings of frustration for the Alexander family) the anger or bewilderment that most of us feel is in knowing that we [like the Alexander family] have been had. We know that the criminal lawyers could not do a lot of what they were doing, but did not know why. We also probably have a gut feeling that they are going to employ the same tactics once more, when trying to delay the Trial once again. This is a 2008 case, and the Trial has been delayed over-and-over again, because of the continuances requested by the criminal lawyers and subsequently granted. So, the delay they are reaching for is nothing new in their book. However, something that would be new is if they were DENIED.

    The Clerk’s Minute Entries reveal quite a bit. It was shocking to see how many requests for continuance had already been granted the criminal lawyers. It was especially shocking because the Court should not have allowed it, if the Law were employed correctly and there were enough people to stand with Samantha Alexander, the Victim’s Representative. She stood alone in the position she took to ask the Court to deny the requested continuance. It is my opinion that she did not get what the Law said she should have because the criminal lawyers acted like bullies. It was probably easier for the Court to cave into a bully’s demands then to recognize the pure innocence of members of the Alexander family. It is heartbreaking to watch and be able to do nothing, knowing that something must be done to stop the atrocities being committed before our very eyes.

    The Alexander family needs assistance. While supplying money is helpful, since they have to put their lives on hold, it is not enough. It does not stop the pain, and will not give them joy. They need to get back to their own Homesteads, to their families and friends and enjoy what they have of their lives. While their brother will no longer be with them in body, he will be with them in Spirit. They will be able to continue his good deeds. However, they need this to stop. The way that we can help is to do as much as we can to make the Court finish this case. There is only one remaining phase left. Once the case is again before the Court, it will not take that long to finish and reach the Final Disposition of the case. The torment for the family in this dragged out capital murder case must end. And, we can help make it end. For those with little money, this can be done on the Internet.

    A message can be posted on the web site for the Governor [Jan Brewer], at http://www.azgovernor.gov/Contact.asp E-mails can be sent to a member or more than one member of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors [Denny Barney, Steve Chucri, Andy Kunasek, Clint L. Hickman, and/or Mary Rose Wilcox], the State’s Attorney General [Tom Horne], and the County Attorney [Bill Montgomery]. (Also, if you’ve figured out the details of the misspending or an illicit manner that the criminal lawyers have billed for the so-called expert witnesses, an e-mail can be sent to the Treasurer [Doug Ducey] and Secretary of State [Ken Bennett]). The e-mail addresses for the members of the State Senate can be located at http://www.azleg.gov/MemberRoster.asp?Body=S The e-mail addresses for the members of the State House of Representatives can be located at http://www.azleg.gov/MemberRoster.asp?Body=H At the federal level, the U.S. Representatives are Kyrsten Sinema, David Schweikert, Ron Barber, Paul Gosar, Matt Salmon, Raul Grijalva, Trent Franks, Ed Pastor, and Ann Kirkpatrick, and the U.S. Senators are Jeff Flake and John McCain.

    It is possible that we can force the Court’s hand by first gathering wisdom before we act. We can learn enough of the Law to make the Court aware of what the criminal lawyers are trying once again. So, a brief breakdown of the Constitution for the State of Arizona has been prepared for those who would like to have a better understanding of the controlling Law for the Courts of the State of Arizona, in the case that the State of Arizona had filed against Jodi Ann Arias. The reason for the focus on the Arizona Constitution is that we have to make an application to the Judge or Petition the Governor or the Arizona Legislature with the Law that would pertain to the Judge’s decision making process. Judges and Justices have sworn an Oath to support the Constitution of the State of Arizona; and, Judges of the Superior Court (which is a lesser Court to the Arizona Supreme Court) must also be in obedience to the Arizona Rules of Court. These are the Laws and Rules we have to become familiar with. Thus, the following:

    • jad
      06/18/2013 at 9:08 am

      In the State of Arizona, the Federal Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land, per the edict of Article 2, Section 3 of the Constitution for the State of Arizona, but the Constitution for the State of Arizona (“Ariz.Const.”) is recognized as the charter document for the State. Under the proclamation of Article 2, Section 32, Ariz.Const., all persons have been put on Notice that the provisions of the State Constitution are mandatory (unless express words declare otherwise). Furthermore, there is an essential interest that justice should be administered without delay, per Article 2, Section 11, Ariz.Const.; and, not only are those accused of a crime guaranteed a Speedy Trial Right [by Article 2, Section 24, Ariz.Const.], but the Victims of a crime [perpetrated by an accused] also have a guarantee of a Speedy Trial Right [by Article 2, Section 2.1(A)(10), Ariz.Const.].

      Under the edict of Article 2, Section 2.1(E), Ariz.Const., Victims of crimes have been guaranteed that, even though certain Rights have been enumerated in the State Constitution, the constitutional inventory of these Rights for Victims would not be construed to deny or disparage those Rights retained by Victims or other Rights granted by the Legislature. According to Article 2, Section 2.1(D), Ariz.Const., there are methods that can be used by the Arizona Legislature or by the people of the State to enact substantive and procedural Laws to define, implement, preserve, and protect the Rights guaranteed to Victims. In addition, Article 2, Section 2.1(A)(11), Ariz.Const., has set a standard to ensure the protection of Victim’s Rights, in that all rules governing criminal procedure [which would include those Rules known as the Arizona Rules of Criminal Procedure] and the admissibility of evidence in all criminal proceedings that protect Victims’ Rights are subject to amendment or repeal by the Arizona Legislature. This has been put in place (in a system of checks and balances) to control any wayward Court that would attempt to put the Rights of Victims in a subservient class to the Rights of those not Victims [like an accused defendant]. The State Constitution has recognized that (outside of the recognition of equal Rights for ALL) there is an equality for all human beings, under Article 2, Section 13, Ariz.Const., when considering privileges and immunities. There is also an equality for a Victim, whether dead or alive, per Article 2, Section 2.1(C), Ariz.Const., as a surrogate can take the place of a deceased Victim in order to be the lawful representative in the stead of the Victim. Holding that status maintains the Rights, privileges, and immunities of the deceased Victim, as though alive.

      The State of Arizona uses its own set of Court Rules. The Arizona Rules of Criminal Procedure (“Ariz.R.Crim.P.”) govern the procedure in all criminal proceedings in all Courts within the State of Arizona, per Rule 1.1, Ariz.R.Crim.P.. The State Constitution [at Article 2, Section 2.1(A)(11), Ariz.Const.] specifically gave power and authority to the Arizona Legislature to amend a certain category of Court Rules (governing criminal procedure), if the Court Rules had not been written to include the Rights of Victims as (among other considerations) equals. Article 6, Section 5(5), Ariz.Const., has recognized the Arizona Supreme Court to hold the power to make ALL Rules relative to ALL procedural matters in ANY Court, which would include but not be limited to the Superior Court of Maricopa County. Article 6, Section 11, Ariz.Const., has made an arrangement whereupon [if there are two or more Superior Court Judges in a county] the Arizona Supreme Court would appoint [out of the Judges] a Presiding Judge of the Superior Court in each county [such as Maricopa County].

      The Presiding Judge would exercise administrative supervision over the Superior Court and the Judges in the county, and would also have other duties, if such duties were provided by Arizona Law or by the Rules of the Arizona Supreme Court. Likewise (over and above the delegation to the Superior Court), the Arizona Supreme Court would still hold administrative supervision over all of the Courts of the State, under Article 6, Section 3, Ariz.Const.. It is the Arizona Supreme Court that would appoint the Clerk of the Court (and an Administrative Director and staff to assist the Chief Justice in discharging the administrative duties of Office), pursuant to Article 6, Section 7, Ariz.Const.. However, the Superior Court does NOT hold that right of appointment. According to Article 6, Section 23, Ariz.Const., the Clerk of the Court of the Superior Court holds an elective Office [by vote of the electorate]. Arizona Law would dictate the compensation in Office for the duly elected Clerk of the Superior Court, as an Arizona Law would also dictate the compensation in Office for the [Arizona Supreme Court] appointed Clerk of the Arizona Supreme Court (not any other means).

      Article 6, Section 30, Ariz.Const., designates certain Courts as Courts of Records, which includes, but is not limited to, the Arizona Supreme Court, the Arizona Court of Appeals, and the Superior Court. Under this particular section, it has been acknowledged that the Judges and Justices of the Arizona Court of Appeals and the Arizona Supreme Court are appointed to Office (in the manner provided in Article 6, Section 37, Ariz.Const.). Judges of the Superior Courts are also appointed, except for those Judges in counties with a population of less than two hundred and fifty thousand. The Chief Justice of the Arizona Supreme Court remains in control as Chairman of Judicial Appointments. The expenses of meetings of the Commission and the attendance of the members for travel and subsistence are paid from the General Fund of the State as State Officers are paid, upon the Claims approved by the Chairman, who is the Chief Justice of the Arizona Supreme Court, per Article 6, Section 41, Ariz.Const.. This section has a lot of similar features to that of Article 6, Section 36, Ariz.Const., especially that the Chief Justice of the Arizona Supreme Court remains in control as Chairman, and the Claims must be approved by said Chairman before being paid from the General Fund.

      It is the Governor of the State that would fill a vacancy [in a Court of Record] by appointment, pursuant to Article 6, Section 37(C), Ariz.Const.. Although there is a retention review established by the Arizona Supreme Court, per Article 6, Section 42, Ariz.Const., appointed Judges merely file a Declaration, upon which the people vote to either retain or not retain the Judge or Justice, pursuant to Article 6, Section 38, Ariz.Const.. It is an altogether different style for counties with less than two hundred and fifty thousand in population. In those counties, the directive of Article 6, Section 40, Ariz.Const., is that the choice of Judge is made by a vote of the qualified electors of the county (as Clerks of the Court are elected by a vote of qualified electors, under another section). In a different fashion, the appointment of Judges Pro Tempore (over any and all Courts inferior to the Arizona Supreme Court) are in the control of the Arizona Legislature, and these Judges Pro Tempore receive payments according to Law, under Article 6, Section 31, Ariz.Const., as long as the appointees have the qualifications established in Article 6, Section 22, Ariz.Const.. Besides putting in place those salaries, Judges of the Superior Courts receive their set salaries (as the salaries have been fixed by the Arizona Legislature), pursuant to the direction of Article 6, Section 13, Ariz.Const..

      Under Article 6, Section 19, Ariz.Const., direction may be made by the Chief Justice of the Arizona Supreme Court to a Judge of the Superior Court to serve in another county. Likewise, direction can also be given to a Superior Court Judge to serve in another county, by the Presiding Judge of the Superior Court. Serving in this manner would not be restricted (as dual Office holding) under Article 6, Section 28, Ariz.Const.. Not only would a Judge be prohibited from holding two positions as a Judge, but a Judge would be forbidden from holding any position in the Executive Branch or the Legislative Branch, per the prohibition (founded upon the Separation of Powers Doctrine] contained at Article 3, Section 0, Ariz.Const.. The order of appointment in Article 6, Section 24, Ariz.Const., for Court Commissioners, Masters, and Referees are by the Judges of the Superior Court. Like the Clerk of the Courts, the manner of compensation is strictly dictated by the method provided in Arizona Law. Commissioners, Masters, and Referees may be appointed by Superior Court Judges, but their powers and duties are those provided by Arizona Law or by Rule of the Arizona Supreme Court. Article 6, Section 23, Ariz.Const., restricts the powers and duties of the Clerk of the Superior Court (more than a Commissioner, Master, or Referee), as the Clerk of the Superior Court answers to the dictates of the following — Arizona Law, Rule by the Arizona Supreme Court, as well as Local Court Rule [and less significant, comporting Local Administrative Order] of the Superior Court. These Local Court Rules must not be inconsistent with Court Rules, and, before they become effective, they must be approved in writing by the Arizona Supreme Court, per Rule 36, Ariz.R.Crim.P..

      All Judges and Justices take the Oath of Office demanded by Article 6, Section 26, Ariz.Const., wherein the Judge or Justice has subscribed in the Oath to “support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Arizona” which Oath is then filed with the Office of the Secretary of State. However, any of the Clerks of the Court, like all other [like-kind] Officers and employees of the State (such as the Article 12, Section 3, Ariz.Const. distinguished County Attorney and members of the Board of Supervisors), whether elected, appointed, or employed, must take the Oath of Office that has been placed in A.R.S. Section 38-231. This Oath is a little more stringent, as this Oath includes a sworn obedience to the Laws of the State of Arizona. The Loyalty Oath of A.R.S. Section 38-231(E) includes, but is not limited to, swearing [or affirming] to “support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution and laws of the State of Arizona”. It is understandable that Judges and Justices can not swear to uphold all of the Laws of the States as that would restrict them when asked to turn down a Law for its unconstitutionality. They would be precluded from making such a decision [of unconstitutionality] because of the wording of the Oath to include an obedience to the Laws.

    • Robert exits Rotterdam
      06/18/2013 at 4:23 pm

      jad-for all your recent posts, Thank you. I am reading them when I can and have kept links for further reading and contacting of AZ officials. The ‘behind the curtain’ quality of our legal system can only be aired out by citizens who demand access and input. You are helping us.

  67. Moon
    06/18/2013 at 12:27 pm

    Thank YOU, Jad!

    Your post from yesterday … I wanted to reply… Thanks, what can WE do?
    You’ve answered today with all this information!

    I am so sick and tired of the Jodi Ann Arias show! So sick and tired of her actions and the actions of her atty’s. I’ve never understood how this murderer can seemingly have such control over the system. Why is it being allowed to continue? It all needs to STOP and if we can somehow help it stop, we should!

    • janeto
      06/18/2013 at 3:35 pm

      Ditto moon!!!

  68. Al
    06/18/2013 at 3:56 pm

    So – I am still confused about that Dworkin dude and the penis photos. Why would he purposely hold those photos up for the jury to see if they weren’t going to be in evidence? And how could anyone say whose penis it was in the photos? It just seemed so strange that he was acting like he was for JA side and wasn’t he supposed to be NOT for either side – just there to tell what he found on the phones & computers???

    • Jill
      06/18/2013 at 8:26 pm

      Hi Al, I know. I’m confused too. That was such a dirty trick. Most experts would be concealing those types of pictures unless someone demanded that they show them. I think he was a defense witness. I guess tht means his paycheck came from the defense so he felt obligated to their side. I really don’t know. Just a guess. The whole defense team shoud have been reprimended when that photo was “mistakenly” held up. There was zero evidence who it was.

    • Kristy
      06/18/2013 at 8:55 pm

      It sounds like more “pay to say” by the defense. There was no way to prove who’s penis it was. Given Jodi’s obsession with a camera, I believe she took that photo.

  69. Family of Law
    06/18/2013 at 4:24 pm

    Syn had been working on some theories re: Gus Searcy and I found this, and one other that I will post next. This guys “creep factor” couldn’t be higher!


  70. Family of Law
    06/18/2013 at 4:29 pm

    • Jill
      06/18/2013 at 6:56 pm

      Ty! Very interesting. I saw this a while back. He doesn’t seem like such a schmuck in this video. He has accomplished a lot in his life. His fiance seems nice and normal. He can’t be too smart, though, because he got suckered in by wobo. I don’t understand why a man who seems to have common sense, and good intelligence, would continue speaking to someone he knows brutally murdered an innocent human being.

  71. Chrissie A
    06/18/2013 at 8:01 pm

    Via Justice4Travis:

    Regarding #JodiArias status hearing on Thurs: Judge has changed courtroom camera protocol and ruled no live feed and no additional microphones.

    Probably a good move, Stabby will not be starring in her own show for once 🙂

    • Jill
      06/18/2013 at 8:20 pm

      Ty for the info.

  72. kristin
    06/18/2013 at 9:05 pm

    Aloha everyone:) I’ve been lurking but didn’t know where to jump in. I hope everyone has been well xoxo

  73. nyccowgirl
    06/19/2013 at 1:25 am

    to add onto jad’s comments and maybe it was in jad in an earlier post or someone else re: the unethical behavior of DT, see the comments in the attached link. i didn’t watch dr. drew but once again patti seemed to make herself really clear.


  74. 06/19/2013 at 1:51 pm

    Hey all. I’m here. Traveled from Tn to Pa poconos.

    • donchais
      06/19/2013 at 9:36 pm

      damn bubs, you’ve been missed…hope the trip was for pleasure!

    • Jill
      06/20/2013 at 3:05 am

      Hi, Poconos sounds beautiful! Would love to see one day!

  75. Ci Ci's Circle
    06/19/2013 at 5:40 pm

    Hello All…..More interesting reading from Dr. Randle. The Duhfense needs to do their homework and read up on what constitutes insanity with regard to the death penalty!!:

    K.Randle, PhD, LCSW ‏@DrKRandle 11 Jun
    #jodiarias is sane and this explains why http://kristinarandle.com/blog/the-jodi-arias-trial-jodi-insanity-and-the-death-penalty/

    The Jodi Arias Trial: Jodi, Insanity and the Death Penalty

    Recently, the head prosecutor in Maricopa County said that he was open to negotiating a deal in the Jodi Arias case. He would consider taking the death penalty off the table in exchange for life without parole. Whether or not a deal is struck, depends at least in part, upon how the victims’ family wants to proceed. Clancy Talbott, speaking on behalf of the Alexander family, told Shepard Smith of Fox news that they want to see Jodi Arias on death row. If there is no deal, a new jury will be convened this summer to decide her fate.

    I’ve recently visited a website where they were debating whether or not Jodi Arias should get the death penalty. It was roughly a 60/40 split, the majority being for the death penalty. Those against the death penalty voiced legitimate reasons for their opposition. They included the death penalty being more expensive than life in prison, being uncomfortable with the government imposing death on its citizens, and the fact that the United States is the only industrialized country in the world that still employs the death penalty, among others.

    Less defendable arguments were also expressed. Some commenters believed that Jodi had schizophrenia. They reasoned that such a heinous crime could only have been committed by someone who was “crazy.” Another person thought that the media made her look like a psychopath simply to “make more money for their TV shows.” Since Jodi “never showed an ounce of anger throughout the trial” she must have schizophrenia.

    People are often confused about schizophrenia. When someone commits a heinous, brutal crime, it is often assumed that they must have done so because they were “crazy” but there’s a big difference between being crazy and committing a crime that people would describe as “crazy.”

    Jeffrey Dahmer committed a brutal and heinous crime but was not crazy. He killed his victims and ate their flesh. Dr. Michael Stone, who ranks killers on a scale of evil, considers Jeffrey Dahmer to be the worst of the worst, the most evil. Many people thought Jeffrey was crazy. Jeffrey admitted that his actions were wrong and apologized. Psychiatric evaluations supported his sanity claim, yet many people continued to say Jeffrey Dahmer was crazy. Why? Because in the their minds and the minds of many others anyone who murders and eats the flesh of their victims has to be “crazy” and by extension has schizophrenia. That’s not schizophrenia, folks.

    People who commit heinous, brutal crimes can be frighteningly sane. Jeffrey Dahmer is all the proof you need.

    People with schizophrenia are mostly nonviolent. When they do engage in violence it’s typically because they are reacting to severe, untreated delusions and hallucinations. They can see imaginary people. They can hear people talking to them who aren’t there. Sometimes they describe these people as being “other worldly beings” or “demons.” Sometimes, Satan himself. They can lay in bed at night and “hear” their mother and sister talking about killing them, even though the plotters are in a house five miles away.

    Though they have lost touch with reality, they don’t lose their morality. They don’t even temporarily lose their morality. They know killing is wrong. They believe killing is wrong. They kill only to defend themselves or the ones they love, from death or something even worse, maybe the devil.

    Andrea Yates was a schizophrenic woman who drowned her children to save them from Satan. She believed her children were selected by Satan because of her own personal weaknesses. Satan was coming to take the souls of her children to eternal damnation. The only way to save her children was to send them to God before Satan came for them. They would be safe with God.

    The prosecution in every case wants a conviction. The prosecution hired a psychiatrist to evaluate Andrea. The prosecution’s psychiatrist diagnosed her as having severe schizophrenia. Both the prosecution and the defense agreed that Andrea was clearly mentally ill. Beginning with her first pregnancy, she has had a long documented history of hallucinations religious obsessions, intrusive thoughts, self-mutilation, catatonia, psychiatric hospitalizations, and suicide attempts. Immediately after drowning her children she called 911 and confessed. She requested to die by execution because it was the “only way to rescue her from the evil inside her.”

    Diana Dial is another example. She shot and killed her roommate because she staunchly believed that he was going to poison her and the rest of her family. She believed that shooting him was necessary to protect her family from being killed. At trial, Diana adamantly denied a schizophrenia diagnosis despite clear evidence that she was very sick. Using schizophrenia as part of her defense could’ve helped her at trial but she refused to believe she was sick and even threatened to fire her lawyer for presenting supporting evidence. She was ultimately sentenced to life in prison.

    I am not defending the actions of Andrea Yates or Diana Dial. I’m just telling you what’s going on inside their heads. Jodi, is not and has never been delusional.

    I have studied schizophrenia and have worked with people with schizophrenia for many years and there is not a shred of evidence that Jodi Arias has schizophrenia. No mental health professional involved in the case had diagnosed her with schizophrenia. Nor did any media psychologist.

    Sane people are capable of horrendous acts of evil. People with antisocial personalities, kill their victims and go on with their day as though nothing ever happened. That is precisely what Jodi Arias did. She killed Travis and then spent the next day with Ryan Burns, kindling the flames of a budding new romance. Even her own mother wondered how Jodi could kill Travis and simply return to business as usual.

    Jodi’s barbaric actions might be “crazy” by society’s standards, but she is quite sane.

    The other non-defendable theme among those against the death penalty for Jodi Arias, is that we should spare her life because she is not a serial killer. We heard that logic from William Zervakos, the Jodi Arias jury foreman, who argued that the judicial system is flawed because “this was not a case of Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles Manson.”

    In the minds of some, the death penalty is apparently reserved for those who kill multiple people, just one doesn’t count. However, that’s not what the law says. The law states that killing one person makes you death-penalty eligible (in states that have the death penalty). The law does not state that you have to kill multiple people to be eligible for the death penalty. Anyone who believes that Jodi Arias should be spared the death penalty because she did not kill multiple people is misinterpreting the law. That would also include William Zervakos whose statement about Jeffrey Dahmer and Charles Manson suggests that he was misinterpreting the law.

    There are valid arguments for and against the death penalty but there are also invalid arguments that are simply wrong.

    Of course we should have empathy for individuals who are mentally ill, especially for those who have schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is a devastating, chronic illness and at least half of its’ sufferers can’t recognize they’re ill, due to a neurological condition called anosognosia. People with schizophrenia are not in denial or simply refusing to believe they are ill just to be “difficult.”

    Much like Alzheimer’s and other forms of dementia, the cruelty of the disease is that it renders them unaware of their own illness. The 8th amendment of the constitution protects these individuals from facing death.

    Jodi Arias does not have schizophrenia. The undeniable truth is that Jodi Arias is sane. She committed a brutal act of murder. She has been convicted of premeditated, first degree murder and that more than qualifiers her for the death penalty.

    • Anonymous
      06/21/2013 at 6:58 pm

      I was really irked at Zervakos’ justification for not giving Jodi Arias the death penalty because she wasn’t Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles Manson – especially using Manson as a comparison. No, she’s not Charles Manson because he didn’t kill anyone. But she easily could have been one of Manson’s “girls” – young, attractive women who brutally slaughtered 7 people over two days. I believe Jodi Arias didn’t kill multiple people because she didn’t have the opportunity. Nevertheless, William Zervakos didn’t follow the law or the instructions.

  76. 06/19/2013 at 6:40 pm

    Point taken. But JA is an anomoly, one which we have never seen. I Watched “To die for” the other night, and it’s close.

  77. Chrissie A
    06/19/2013 at 7:22 pm

    OT – But I have some Juanderful news! Juan will be in action on Friday and the pool camera has been approved:
    Court date: 6/24/2013 @ 8:30am
    Case #: CR2010-153913

    Case event: Pretrial Conference
    Camera ruling: Pool Camera Approved/No Hallways or Lobby

    Judge: Sherry Stephens
    Prosecutor: Juan Martinez

    Defendant: Richard Chrisman
    Defense attorney: Patrick Gann

    Case notes:
    Phoenix police officer charged with 2nd degree murder, aggravated assault and cruelty to animals (misd.) He allegedly used excessive force by shooting a man and his dog while responding to a criminal damage incident.

    • Chrissie A
      06/19/2013 at 7:28 pm

      Ooops I meant Monday 🙂

  78. MMD
    06/20/2013 at 10:13 am


  79. MMD
    06/20/2013 at 10:15 am

    Hi all – found this but don’t know if it will be televised but there will be a pool camera for the status meeting today.

    Court date;
    06/20/2013 @ 8:30 Case #: CR2008-031021

    Case event: Status Conference Camera ruling: Pool Camera in Media Room

    Judge: Sherry Stephens Prosecutor: Juan Martinez

    Defendant: Jodi Ann Arias Defense attorney: Kirk Nurmi/Jennifer Willmott

    Case notes: Jury hung on penalty phase of trial. New jury will need to be selected. Found guilty of 1st degree murder. Ex-girlfriend charged with the murder of former boyfriend Travis Alexander in Mesa.

    • MMD
      06/20/2013 at 10:18 am

      and this was posted today at the Maricopa Superior Court page under today’s events.

  80. MMD
    06/20/2013 at 10:19 am

    If anyone can find a link to it, I would appreciate if you would post it. I’m frantically looking but can’t find anything so far 🙄

    • Schaeffer
      06/20/2013 at 2:53 pm

      This is the link to the final step in the process for finding what is on the MCSC “Today’s Events” page


      If you want the whole process, I’ll be happy to post them for you, dear MMD, I must say, though, the info provided is perfunctory, at best.

      • MMD
        06/21/2013 at 7:48 pm

        Thank you darlin’ for the offer, but sometimes they really don’t show much as you have already pointed out. Appreciate the offer though! 🙂

  81. MMD
    06/20/2013 at 10:31 am

    OK just found this on WAT

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    I will see everyone tomorrow morning at 8:30am PDT for official fashion/bangs report at the #JodiArias hearing. Will Nurmi have salmon on?

    Looks like it will be televised! 😀

  82. MMD
    06/20/2013 at 11:36 am

    I was wrong. It will not be live streamed probably because JA is there in her gray striped outfit and pink socks. Most of it will take place in chambers but there is still press in the gallery and along with a few of the jurors.

    Damn, I was really looking forward to seeing her in shackles but I guess she is heavily guarded. 😀

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    #JodiArias was just escorted back by the well armed sheriff deputies. She is in chambers now. These guys are scary looking.

    Hope this is her first time out since being put in 23/7 lockdown. 🙂

    • Family of Law
      06/20/2013 at 11:59 am

      Hellllooooo MMD!!!!! How have you been?

      It’s so disappointing that we will not get to view JA in her stripes and shackles! Here’s hoping the judge uses the “pair” you so kindly sent her, and she denies this motion to delay until January! Gawd, I just want JA to stop running the damn show!

      I love that some of jurors will be in attendance! Especially these particular jurors, cuz JA knows by now, they voted for death.

  83. MMD
    06/20/2013 at 12:05 pm

    FOL – how are you darlin’?????????????? ******waves********* and ***********hugs********

    • Family of Law
      06/20/2013 at 12:19 pm

      *****waves***** and ((((((hugs)))))) right back at ya! It’s been a bit chaotic around here, finally coming up for air! My son finished school, had to move out of his apartment in Chicago, he moved back home, then found another apartment, and moved back out! Sheesh it was a whirlwind of boxes and packing tape for days!

      It’s been super quiet in the sandbox! I’ve popped in a few times, but I’ve not had the timing to be on when you’ve been here! Where’s ReR, JanetB, Beans, etc? I miss Syn, and hate that she has been shooooooed! Hope she’s okay?

  84. MMD
    06/20/2013 at 12:07 pm

    I so got my hopes up when I saw that tweet this morning but am following the play by play that WAT is providing. Soooooooo wanted to see JA in shackles!!!!!!!!!!!!

  85. MMD
    06/20/2013 at 12:09 pm

    What ever is going on in court, they haven’t included the prosecution. The Alexander family is now there for this status conference either. I’m so glad that they stayed home.

    • MMD
      06/20/2013 at 12:35 pm

      *not there* although the aunt is.

  86. MMD
    06/20/2013 at 12:29 pm

    Every time I’ve popped in there hasn’t been anyone here. 😦 I think that Syn is ok, wish she would come back. I’ve been busy, had numerous computer issues, and lots of migraines, and there is not a single pill of my migraine meds to be had from the supplier 😦 As a result, they are lasting longer and I have spent a lot of time lying in bed cursing the supplier 👿

    • Schaeffer
      06/20/2013 at 2:59 pm

      Do your migraines respond to heat or to cold? Each individual responds to something different, and I respond to heat. It helps me tremendously to rest/sleep with one of those old fashioned bonnet style hair dryers on my head. If heat helps you, you might try that in addition toy your meds.

      • MMD
        06/21/2013 at 7:59 pm

        Cold helps the best along with going to sleep after I take my meds. Needless to say a dark room and no movement. The only problem is the shortage of my meds. The supplier has been short for the last 3 weeks with no idea of when they will be available. All the pharmacies are in the same boat. I went through the same thing last year for about 4 months with another med I take. I’m just hoping that it won’t be as long this time. (insert fingers crossed emo)

        I’m glad that heat works for your Schaeffer. Every sufferer has their own routine as well as different triggers. Unless you go through them people don’t really understand how bad they can be!!!! You have my condolences that you get migraines too. Not fun! 😦

  87. MMD
    06/20/2013 at 12:34 pm

    FOL – so why did #1 son move into another apartment when he is going back to school in the fall or is the apartment for school and not just for the summer? I’m gonna guess that Seamus complete with his brand spanking neuticles did not accompany him! 😆

    • Family of Law
      06/20/2013 at 1:03 pm

      Oh no MMD, I’m so sorry about your migraines, and the difficulty in getting your meds! I hope you get new pills soon!!!! (((hugs)))

      My son’s apartment that he was in “went condo” (and tried convincing my husband and I to buy it, “it’s a good investment, you’ll get a great return on your $”, yes, he will make a great attorney one day!), so he and his two roomies needed to find another, not an easy task in his neighborhood- luckily a couple weeks later, they found a sublet- but I had all 3 of them here for a couple of weeks, 24 year olds are exhausting! But it was fun, and I (almost) miss having all the noise and activity!

      Seamus knows better than to give up his cushy life here, he is not a city boy- and my son now has an inkling that he is MINE.

      Have you heard from Syn elsewhere? If so, tell her I have a blood orange martini with her name on it, waiting….

      • MMD
        06/20/2013 at 1:11 pm

        I was talking about you the other day and more specifically about neuticles. Had the entire room in stitches – especially about hubb’s comment “how’s my boy’s boys doing?” People were in stitches, especially when I told the whole story as to shy Seamus got them. :LOL:

        How is Mama’s Boy – I hope he is still getting nose rubs from Canada 🙂

        Yes, it certainly sounds like your son will make a good attorney – guess you weren’t buying what he was selling!!!!!!!! 🙄

  88. MMD
    06/20/2013 at 12:38 pm

    jose miguel ‏@reporterjmiguel 2m
    Looks like proceeding will be sealed because #jodiarias escorted out

    jose miguel ‏@reporterjmiguel 3m
    #jodiarias is handcuffed and shackled

    Please, all I want is a photo of her handcuffed and shackled!!!!!!!!!!!!

  89. MMD
    06/20/2013 at 12:39 pm

    jose miguel ‏@reporterjmiguel 1m
    #jodiarias back in courtroom seated at defense table

    Wish they’d make their mind!!!!!! 🙄

  90. MMD
    06/20/2013 at 12:40 pm

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    There are 4 fully armed sheriff deputies here to keep an eye on #JodiArias. These are some serious deputies, wow

  91. MMD
    06/20/2013 at 12:45 pm

    jose miguel ‏@reporterjmiguel 1m
    #jodiarias is deferring ruling on continuing motion until july 18th. Which means sentencing hearing will NOT happen on the 18th.


  92. Chrissie A
    06/20/2013 at 1:39 pm

    Not a happy camper:

    • nyccowgirl
      06/20/2013 at 1:49 pm

      how come everyone always talks about how small she is but every time i see her in pictures, she’s bigger than others. seriously, she had to put her seat down just to appear smaller than her bff.

      • Chrissie A
        06/20/2013 at 1:57 pm

        Hey NYC, Yep it’s all a ploy, she forgot her glasses too today – judging by most reports she looked tired and withdrawn, Nice to see her shackled and under heavy guard 🙂

      • ByeByeJA
        06/20/2013 at 4:10 pm

        I think they are talking more about how thin she is and trying to make it seem like she couldn’t overpower Travis. My husband and I got into it about that issue. He said he thought it was ridiculous that Travis couldn’t “take her” considering the differences in their sizes. I was livid — when he finally realized how vulnerable he was being naked, wet, slipping on tile with a stab to the heart….he changed his tune (and of course, I wasn’t letting up until he agreed!) 🙂

  93. Schaeffer
    06/20/2013 at 2:00 pm

    WOBO was in court today, in shackles and heavily guarded. She sat alone ( with the exception of her guards) at the defense table while the attorneys met in chambers with Judge Stephens. The proceedings were not televised, and the July 18 date still stands.


  94. Chrissie A
    06/20/2013 at 2:27 pm

    Video of Stabby entering court today:


    • Jill
      06/20/2013 at 2:40 pm

      Ty, Chrissie.

    • ByeByeJA
      06/20/2013 at 2:41 pm

      This just made my day!! The outfit suits her and the amount of ammo that it appears the Sheriff’s are wearing only solidifies how dangerous Wobo really is…

      • Chrissie A
        06/20/2013 at 3:04 pm

        Made me feel good too, especially as she was lead with a firm grip by the back of her belt like a dog – just deserts 😛

      • 06/20/2013 at 4:57 pm

        I couldn’t ask for a better birthday present. Stabby Einstein must have been mortified what with her attempting to micromanage her image during those heinous post-hung jury interviews, LOL.

    • Jill
      06/20/2013 at 3:23 pm

      I just watching a clip of her on HLN. It made me smile to see her shackled like that, BUT, then I saw her smiling and laughing with someone and it took the little bit of joy away from me.

      • Chrissie A
        06/20/2013 at 3:31 pm

        It’s probably bravado Jill – she’s been escorted back to lockdown under the heavy guard that we saw her with today, I would imagine that will wipe the grin off of her face a bit sharpish 🙂

      • Gracerv7
        06/20/2013 at 8:42 pm

        I saw on FB site that some guy was there blowing kisses…gross. If that is in fact the case I’m sure that’s why she was all giddy. We all know how she thrives on male attention.

    • janeto
      06/20/2013 at 3:57 pm

      Lol! Thanks so much Chrissie sweetie! Made my day!!!!!!

      • Chrissie A
        06/21/2013 at 6:44 am

        Hi Janeto!!! Twas so sweeeeet 🙂

    • Chrissie A
      06/21/2013 at 6:43 am

      Grace, I think that was an attempt at a diversion – he was sitting with her family and then hastily removed from the court

    • Jill
      06/21/2013 at 2:48 pm

      Hi Chrissie. But, don’t you think she actually enjoys all the guards around her? Probably makes her feel like she’s royalty. I think she probably eats up the attention of having five “servants” walking next to her at all times.

      • Chrissie A
        06/21/2013 at 5:11 pm

        Hey Jill, I’d take a bet on the guards being anything but servantile toward her- she is being treated like the dangerous criminal that she is. No small talk which in turn means none of the attention that she craves so badly. Plus being in chains and prison garbs has stripped her vanity. IMO she is in her own hell – Far from royal treatment in any book honey 🙂

  95. Schaeffer
    06/20/2013 at 2:38 pm

    Now that WOBO has been convicted, will she always have to appear in court in shackles and prison stripes? I know defendants are allowed to wear regular clothes and not be seen in restraints during a trial as it has been deemed prejudicial to see them in prison uniforms and cuffs, but once they are convicted, what are the rules?

    WOBO was always put on the stand outside the presence of the jury so they couldn’t see her restraint belt, and that’s why the defense pitched such a fit when Juan wanted her to come down off the stand and demonstrate her interpretation of a “linebacker” move — which by the way looked NOTHING like a linebacker, but more like an albatross.

    Also, will she be more heavily — or should I say appropriately — guarded since she is on close supervision status? That guard standing next to her in the picture posted by Chrissie looks like she takes her job a lot more seriously than that bozo who was supposedly guarding her during the trial. Perhaps they have figured out she should NOT be guarded by men if at all possible.

    • 06/20/2013 at 5:52 pm

      Ouch, so that rules out Juan, Det. Flores, Bubbles,Chief, ReR, or me. Seems to me JW and Alyce were a little smitten with stabitha too. There are more of us guys that don’t buy her crap than those who do.

    • Kristy
      06/20/2013 at 10:39 pm

      I doubt it, since she was dressed for the last one. I’m guessing she’ll be in street clothes in order to not prejudice the jury.

    • Chrissie A
      06/21/2013 at 4:58 pm

      Hi Schaeffer, I asked this question for you during a spreecast with some legal analysts yesterday and it appears that Kristy is correct – she will be in regular clothing so as not to prejudice her case. Dammit! Loved seeing her in those stripes and chains 😛

      • janeto
        06/21/2013 at 11:50 pm

        😡 Yeah, and I’m soooo tired of her being able to “NOT be prejudicial” to the case! Damn I sure enjoyed seeing her being lead like a dog on a leash! 😀 I can’t wait till the sentencing, no matter what the outcome, she WILL show up in her lifelong attire then!! Especially if it’s death or LWOP, wipe that damn sickening smirk off her face once and for all!!!!!

  96. Chrissie A
    06/20/2013 at 4:44 pm

    Brief comments in this video from two of the jurors who were in the courtroom for the hearing today:

    • beansrontash
      06/20/2013 at 5:14 pm

      Thank you for this Chrissie. Kudos to the juror who said: ” seeing Jodi in shackles, we got that part, we did that, we took her out of society.” To that I’ll add, you testify sister, my day just got a little bit better.

    • janeto
      06/21/2013 at 11:54 pm

      I loved the comment about “we did that, took her out of society.” That was great to hear..I just wish they could have followed through with an outcome of DP, or even Life, with a recommendation of LWOP to the judge!!! Then those words would hold more weight!!!

  97. Anna
    06/20/2013 at 5:16 pm

    Hey, I finally bought us that island today!!! Just kidding. But Snow White called and said she was perfectly delighted to see the jodie in all stripes this day…even if just for a brief while. We agreed that the foggy-one looked as arrogant as before, which confused us as we thought solitary confinement & no access to make-up…well, how does one survive? (just kidding again) Oh, and will this trial ever be concluded?

  98. Chrissie A
    06/20/2013 at 6:31 pm

    Stabby all tatted up for her crew 😛

    • janeto
      06/21/2013 at 1:52 pm

      Chrissie, you continue to crack us up!! OMG that is too good! Made my day, thank you!!

  99. Chrissie A
    06/20/2013 at 11:06 pm

    via Kathy Monkman ‏
    Jennifer Willmott emerged from chambers briefly this am, coquettishly whispered “miss me?” 2 Flores as she passed. #inappropriate #jodiarias

    Wow! Another narcissist in the playing field!

    • ByeByeJA
      06/21/2013 at 12:28 pm

      Two peas in a pod – Whiney & Wobo!!!

  100. Chrissie A
    06/21/2013 at 2:23 am

    Excellent!!! Juan’s “The Verdict” an amazing rap mix with a cool sexy tune:

  101. Chrissie A
    06/21/2013 at 6:40 am

    catbyte4 :
    I couldn’t ask for a better birthday present. Stabby Einstein must have been mortified what with her attempting to micromanage her image during those heinous post-hung jury interviews, LOL.

    Happy Birthday Cat!! Definitely a great pressie and I hope you had a wonderful day 🙂

    • Jill
      06/21/2013 at 2:49 pm

      Yes, happy belated, Cat! Hope it was happy! Many more!

  102. Anna
    06/21/2013 at 6:26 pm

    sorry, still being a bother…but what do guys think of this vid (warning, pretty rock & rollish mmkay)?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVx2RuANAyk&NR=1&feature=endscreen
    best to all, Anna nuthead! 🙂

    • janeto
      06/21/2013 at 11:37 pm

      You are NEVER a bother do you hear me girlie!!!! Your my Annabanananuthead!!! Miss you! Hope you are doing o.k. I ran across a post a while back about what you are going through! Please keep in touch. We miss your quirkiness! 😆 My stupid laptop wouldn’t play the whole song. Just the beginning, and it stopped! I’m sure it’s a good one though. Hadn’t heard of him before… take care…miss you!

  103. Ci Ci's Circle
    06/21/2013 at 8:17 pm

    Just_me ‏@Just_Me1965 6h
    My sources are telling me the male “Johnny” guy catching Jodi’s eye in court is Jonathan Goldis #jodiarias

    • janeto
      06/22/2013 at 12:01 am

      Takes all kinds don’t it! 🙄

  104. janeto
    06/21/2013 at 11:44 pm

    @Anna- I read your first line in one of your last posts about you getting our island, and ran to start packing…….then I noticed you were kidding! Damn!!! My hopes were up..then down 😦 again… But Snow white asked Grumpy and Happy how they like seeing JA all dressed up in her “regalia”, and even Grumpy loved it!!! If you haven’t seen Chrissies’ “stabby all tatted up for her crew”, you got to see it! It’s perfect and priceless!!!! Thx Chrissie!!

  105. janeto
    06/21/2013 at 11:57 pm

    Oh and Happy Belated Birthday Cat!! well, since it seems I’m all alone here 😦 I guess I’ll turn in… Goodnight all, and take care!! Never forget…….Justice For Travis!!!!! Thanks “mom” for all you do!!! We love you bunches! Muah!!!

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