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Jodi Arias Continuing Saga and News About Martin Mac Neill Murder Trial


What can ya say about the continuing crazy in the Jodi Arias case?  It seems we are beginning to see a flurry of activity.

Dr. Kristina Randall posted Movement in the Jodi Arias Case? on her blog.  She says a reporter for an Arizona newspaper noticed, “the Maricopa County Superior docket shows a settlement conference set for Jodi Arias at 10:30 am on October 24, 2013.”  He went on to say that settlement conferences are used to reach a plea agreement.

Dr. Randall did not name the reporter or newspaper, so I went digging and this is what I found on the court calendar relating to Arias:

9/27/2013 14:30
Evidentiary Hearing

10/4/2013 8:30
Oral Argument

10/24/2013 10:00
Settlement Conference

So, is Judge Stephens trying to force the two sides to reach an agreement?  Oh, and just because the settlement conference is listed, doesn’t mean it will or has to happen.

It should also be noted, Maricopa County Attorney’s Office – Adult Criminal Trial Process,

In some cases, the trial Judge assigned to a case will order the parties to meet with another Judge to discuss possible resolutions to a case short of trial. At the conference there is an exchange of views, and the Court will typically suggest ideas to attempt a resolution. The victim has a right to be present and express his/her views whenever the defendant is present. The trial Judge can only participate in such discussions with the consent of both parties.

What it boils down to is, we don’t know what the hearing on the 27 is, we think we know what is supposed to happen on the 4th, and we can only guess about the settlement conference.

Will any of this be streamed?  We can only hope!

Another huge trial is slated to begin October 15.  This time from Provo Utah.  Martin MacNeill is accused of drugging and killing his wife in April, 2007 because of an extramarital affair. MacNeill has pleaded not guilty to charges of first-degree murder and obstruction of justice.

Michele MacNeill was found dead in a bathtub in the family’s Pleasant Grove, Utah, home on April 11, 2007. Medical examiners found a powerful cocktail of drugs — including Valium, Percocet, Phenergan, and Ambien — in her system.

Martin MacNeill talked Michele into getting a face lift. He is both an attorney and a doctor and had the knowledge and access to the prescription drugs.  By the way, both of MacNeill’s degrees are bogus!

This is going to be a blockbuster!

For great background on the case go to After Wife’s Death, Dark Secrets of Utah Doctor Revealed  Be sure to watch the included videos!

  1. ritanita
    09/25/2013 at 3:52 pm

    I’ve got Shanna Hogan’s book on the case, but have lacked the time/energy to read it. I so want her sentenced. IMHO, whatever happens, I hope that she no longer garners attention from the media and has less of an opportunity to play with Twitter the way she does. She needs to know the obscurity of a jail cell for however long she lives.

    I’ve got the dates on my calendar; let’s see if we get to watch any of it. I think the best chance will come with the evidentiary hearing.

    The MacNeill case is a fascinating one. The article you recommended is a fantastic resource along with the videos.

    If anyone wants to do more research, search for his name in the Deseret News and find the earliest article and read backwards.

    • renae
      10/02/2013 at 11:57 pm

      I also bought Hogan’s book on the case but I think that for anyone who followed the trial, the book is a total waste. The book is not badly written…..just seems like a BLAND rehash of selected parts of the trial. I have found no insight into Jodi and the book is more or less written for someone who knows almost nothing of the case. (Discovering of the body takes all of 2.5 pages, if that) Don’t waste your money!

  2. donchais
    09/25/2013 at 4:10 pm

    With the way Stephens seals records, I wonder if we’ll see anything at all.

    MacNeill case is just so sick and scary. I feel so badly for the kids having lost their mom in such a brutal way!

  3. BamaGirl
    • donchais
      09/25/2013 at 6:02 pm

      Ya know, if Wendy (whom I used to respect) had sent this directly to Juan without involving the public sentiment, I would have no problem. This to me is nothing but another attempt to jump on the media bandwagon. Severely disappointed in Ms. Murphy becoming yet another media whore in a very public case…shame!

      • BamaGirl
        09/25/2013 at 6:16 pm

        Completely agree Donchais. It’s not as though Juan has not gone over these same points himself. She could have contacted him privately. Sent him a letter addressed only to him. This was an open letter of stating she knows how to prosecute his case better than he does.

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        09/25/2013 at 6:53 pm

        Hello Everyone…..old hens out of the woodwork! We’ve been unhappy with that Wendy Murphy as well. Who is she to be telling Juanderful how to do his job…..Hah….where’s her Prosecutorial Credentials?!! To hear her tell it…she knows it all. She needs to get back in her corner and let the Expert do his job!

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        09/25/2013 at 7:03 pm

        When was the last time she prosecuted a high profile murder case??? Nothing is more annoying that a know-it-all! She’s just playing to the public. If it was so important to her why didn’t she send it to him directly and leave everyone else out. She’s been on HLN too much! Following the same format as all the other big mouth talking heads! They think they know it all! The only one we have respect for is Joey Jackson.

  4. Sandy
    09/25/2013 at 6:02 pm

    This is not the first settlement conference in this case – There was also one in July of 2011 –

    • donchais
      09/25/2013 at 6:03 pm


  5. donchais
    09/25/2013 at 6:19 pm

    BamaGirl :

    Completely agree Donchais. It’s not as though Juan has not gone over these same points himself. She could have contacted him privately. Sent him a letter addressed only to him. This was an open letter of stating she knows how to prosecute his case better than he does.

    Very disappointed in Wendy! Juan ain’t no dummy and shame on her for inferring he is. My money is still on Juan!

  6. 09/25/2013 at 6:48 pm

    Hey everyone. Hope everyone is having a great day, and Jodi Arias is having a downright crappy one.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      09/25/2013 at 6:54 pm

      Hey Bubblebutts! We’ve been lurking for a long time now and keeping up with everyone. Hope you’re all doing fine!

  7. donchais
    09/25/2013 at 7:40 pm

    hey Ci Ci’s Circle…glad to see ya back again…hope all are well! Wendy was pretty good til she got full of herself…like I said, my money is on Juan!

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      09/25/2013 at 7:48 pm

      Hi Donchais…..we’re doing very well! Haven’t been posting but we’ve been reading!

      • donchais
        09/25/2013 at 7:51 pm

        missed you folks… you’re family! {{{{hugs}}}}

  8. donchais
    09/25/2013 at 7:42 pm

    bubblebutts :

    Hey everyone. Hope everyone is having a great day, and Jodi Arias is having a downright crappy one.

    Bubbs, my friend..so glad to see ya back! Did ya check out the MacNeill case? Sheesh!

  9. Ci Ci's Circle
    09/25/2013 at 7:53 pm

    donchais :
    missed you folks… you’re family! {{{{hugs}}}}

    ((((Hugs to all!)))

  10. donchais
    09/25/2013 at 8:01 pm

    Makes me feel warm and fuzzy the family is coming back to roost!

  11. ByeByeJA
    09/25/2013 at 8:10 pm

    Glad to see you back Donchais. Was starting to think I had been kicked out of the sandbox for some reason :(. When will this madness ever end?

    • donchais
      09/25/2013 at 8:16 pm

      Hi ya…been following a few cases, but none that grabbed me enough to commit to post on, with the fervor I usually work up to. Sandbox still open…have to finish Arias and will prolly get crazy with MacNeill. The madness, obviously, never ends!

      • ByeByeJA
        09/25/2013 at 8:24 pm

        I promised myself I wouldn’t get involved in another case after Arias is over (which is what I said after the Anthony debacle) – but I read the MacNeill article and not sure I can stay away. I feel so sorry for his daughters – especially the one he sent back to the Ukraine — what a piece of work – or another 4 letter word.

      • donchais
        09/25/2013 at 8:36 pm

        Yup, I hear ya, but it needs folks like us to get involved and stop the madness. Local, state and federal level. It takes more than a village to stop the insanity. Victims need rights and we don’t give it to them. Step up if ya can, please.

  12. Ci Ci's Circle
    09/25/2013 at 10:48 pm

    Found some interesting reading by Dr. KR:

    Movement in the Jodi Arias Case?

    Posted on September 25, 2013 by Dr KR — 14 Comments ↓

    A reporter for an Arizona newspaper tweeted some interesting news about the Jodi Arias case.

    He noticed that “the Maricopa County Superior docket shows a settlement conference set for Jodi Arias at 10:30 am on October 24, 2013.”

    The reporter noted that “settlement conferences are used to reach a plea agreement.” Since there has already been a conviction they may be discussing sentencing options. If so, it’s expected that her lawyers will try to spare her from the death penalty.

    Even though the conference is “on the docket,” there is no guarantee that it will take place. Delays are characteristic of this court. If the conference does take place, it’s unlikely that it will be open to the media.

    The wait continues.

    If you were Travis Alexander’s family, would you forego your desire for the death penalty and settle for life in prison?

    Michael Kiefer digs deeper into what the settlement conference means and the potential outcomes for Arias. For those concerned about her potential release in the event of a life with parole deal, he notes that it is no longer an option. “Even the chance of “release” after 25 years has been eliminated for murders committed after 2012.”

    Kiefer also makes a good point about the appeal process in the event of the death penalty compared to a life without parole sentence. If Jodi Arias is sentenced to death, an appeal is automatic whereas if she receives life, “her appeals would go instead to the Arizona Court of Appeals [as opposed to federal court], then to the Arizona Supreme Court and then back to Superior Court for what is referred to as “post-conviction relief.”

    Debra Milke and Johnathan Doody both had their death-sentence verdicts tossed out of court on federal appeals cases.

    In that case, life without parole all but guarantees that Jodi Arias never leaves prison.
    One of the 14 comments followed up with this:

    AJM on September 25, 2013 at 5:26 pm said:

    I checked with that reporter and some Arizona lawyers and was informed that it is routine to hold a settlement conference before trial and thus it should not be inferred that some kind of plea deal is in the works. There is no minute entry yet recording the scheduling of this meeting, so it is not known if this was initiated by the court or attorneys.

    Also, the FB page which is supposed to be the official source of information from her family gives no indication of any pending plea. It was updated this morning with some news, ending with “S*** will hit the fan soon!”

    She just loves the limelight doesn’t she!? We bet it’s burning her butt to see so many other things going on in life that are front and center over her sorry ass!!

    • MMD
      09/26/2013 at 7:34 am

      Morning all. I’m so glad the sandbox is back open and to see so many people back!!!

      Bear in mind that the reporter referred to is the totally pro defense newspaper hack who is in Wurmi’s back pocket.

  13. John
    09/26/2013 at 1:33 am

    True but it is taking so long.

  14. MMD
    09/26/2013 at 7:37 am

    I purchased Wendy’s last book because I used to have so much respect for her, but it was basically a bait and switch. After hearing what RobertfromRodderdam had to say, I didn’t bother to even read it. Just a total waste of money and I have now learned my lesson.

    I’m with the rest of you, as always my money is on JM!!!!

  15. donchais
    09/26/2013 at 4:24 pm

    So here’s the deal… I intend to continue coverage of Arias. I do however, have a personal need to follow MacNeill. I will cover it if you want, but if not, I can follow it without blogging about it. Blogging takes a whole lot out of you and if nobody is interested, that’s totally ok!

    • 09/26/2013 at 4:54 pm

      You do whatever you’re comfortable with, we’re with you either way.

      • donchais
        09/26/2013 at 5:01 pm

        I know toots. Just wonder if there is any interest in MacNeill, other than mine, lol!

      • MMD
        09/26/2013 at 6:20 pm

        Hiya Beans. Have really missed you and the new Mrs. DP {{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}

    • MMD
      09/26/2013 at 6:13 pm

      I’m totally interested in the MacNeill case if you are. After all the background reading and videos I watched on the case today I’m not only totally disgusted/infuriated but good and hooked.

      It still amazes me what horrific people are capable of doing to each other in this world.

    • ByeByeJA
      09/26/2013 at 7:49 pm

      I’d follow that blog if you choose to put it out there for us!

    • Anonymous
      09/27/2013 at 10:21 pm

      Please do cover MacNeill – I’m hooked already. Both degrees are bogus? That is incredible! Have missed all in the sandbox. 🙂

    • ritanita
      09/28/2013 at 8:15 am

      I have your back on MacNeill, buddy! This fraud/murderer needs to be put away for life. He is a totally fake person. My heart is with his daughters, who live a “fake” life with him and lost their loving mother.

  16. MMD
    09/26/2013 at 6:19 pm

    This popped into my inbox today about the settlement talks. Apparently it will be before a different judge.


    • donchais
      09/26/2013 at 9:10 pm

      yup, that’s how it works…diff judge to try and push it…still may or may not happen…we have to wait and see.

  17. donchais
    09/26/2013 at 9:20 pm

    ok, will do what I can…luv ya guys!!!

  18. 09/27/2013 at 12:17 am

    Nice to see the blog back up. Hello to everyone here and thanks to Donchais.

    The MacNeill case is of much interest – have been following it from a while back. Would be great to share comments along with others, if you choose to do so. Wonder if it will be live-streamed from the start?

    The JA trial is a definite must . . . to the end.

    This is, by far, the most sincere blog I have ever read. The people all have the utmost respect for others – love, love!

    • donchais
      09/27/2013 at 8:05 am

      The MacNeill case will be covered by WAT!

  19. 09/27/2013 at 9:20 am

    Morning MMD if you’re about, I missed you too, I feel I’ve been adrift for weeks. How are the kids? Going out for more groc., back in a while.

    • MMD
      09/27/2013 at 9:44 am

      I’ve felt exactly the same way darlin’!!!!!!!!!

  20. 09/27/2013 at 9:41 am

    Hey Donchais, what is WAT? Just read up on Macneill case. I’m in. In other news, OJ busted stealing cookies..No, really.

    • MMD
      09/27/2013 at 9:44 am

      Hey Captain Bubble. How goes it? WAT is Wild about Trial. Are you back at home or still on your roadtrip?

      • 09/27/2013 at 10:06 am

        Still on road trip. At a lakehouse in Pocono mountains in Pennsylvania.

    • donchais
      09/27/2013 at 9:46 am

      Wild About Trial…they cover all kinds of stuff.

    • donchais
      09/27/2013 at 12:00 pm


      • 09/27/2013 at 12:13 pm

        I’m re-thinking my position on her getting the DP, I say keep her in Sheriff Joe’s jail for the rest of her life and make her eat this slop for the rest of her life.

    • MMD
      09/27/2013 at 1:11 pm

      As someone who is basically a vegetarian, (pescatarian but I rarely eat fish) hell would freeze over before I would eat that crap. Red’s kitchen in Orange in the New Black looks appetizing after that and they had mold as one of the many side dishes.

      All I can say is gross, gross and yuck!!! Hey JA – still think you’re winning? 🙄

      • 09/27/2013 at 1:35 pm

        I like my veggies too but I’d kill myself before I’d submit to eating this garbage for any extended length of time. I don’t always agree with Joe’s politics or antics but sometimes he nails it – if you don’t like it, stay out of jail. It looks really good on Stabby Einstein. MMD, tell me Daisy is doing OK. That DP better get her butt back in the sandbox or I’m going over there and banging on her door. Have you been in touch with Janeto, is she OK? I’ve missed her. You won another round, I now have Netflix and have been on a BB marathon plus some good movies.

      • MMD
        09/27/2013 at 1:49 pm

        Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I win another round 😀 I haven’t heard a word from Janet but I’m sure that she will surface once things get moving, if they do with the trial. I still have my Netflix but have been marathoning a few other shows altho I am converting people to my shows one at a time, slowly but surely. Don’t forget you can cancel after the free month and what about your data limits???

        As for the new Mrs. DP, hopefully she will be back soon. I thought of her constantly on the 16th.

        As for Daisy, it is truly a day at a time, fingers crossed.

        Beans, I really need to get your email addy from Donchais or give you mine. I truly don’t want to go this long without being in touch again.

        Donchais, if you’re around will you please give my email to Beans. Thanks darlin’. Love ya xoxo

      • 09/27/2013 at 2:00 pm

        I had the same thought about the addy all the time we were out of touch but didn’t know if you would consider it inappropriate. I truly felt as if I had lost my best friends. Donchais, please share my addy with MMD.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      09/27/2013 at 2:31 pm

      Wow…..ya gotta wonder how anyone could continue committing crimes when faced with the possibility of having to eat that slop year after year!! Keep eating JA! It’ll never compare to what you did to TA!!

      • donchais
        09/27/2013 at 2:33 pm

        Don’t do crimes in Joe’s territory!, lol

      • 09/27/2013 at 2:49 pm

        And lets hope she gags on every spoonful.

      • 09/27/2013 at 4:02 pm

        ’cause most criminals are really stupid, except, of course, for Stabby Einstein, she sure pulled the wool over our eyes.

    • ritanita
      09/28/2013 at 8:23 am

      Looks like bad pig-slop! Maybe it will force JA to make a plea just to go to prison!

  21. tamiandthebachelor
    09/27/2013 at 1:11 pm

    I’ve never posted before, but have been lurking for months during the Arias trial.
    First and foremost you have my gratitude for all that you’ve done. You’ve kept my sanity in check but also provided a platform where civil debate and information can be shared. Thank you for keeping the cats out of the sandbox.
    Can you or someone else comment on the post above “Michael Kiefer digs deeper into what the settlement conference means and the potential outcomes for Arias. For those concerned about her potential release in the event of a life with parole deal, he notes that it is no longer an option. “Even the chance of “release” after 25 years has been eliminated for murders committed after 2012.” But she committed the murder prior to 2012, so doesn’t that exclude Arias? My greatest fear is that she will walk out of jail one day.
    I’m very interested in following the MacNeill trial through WAT, so please don’t keep silent!
    Thanks again for ALL you do.

    • donchais
      09/27/2013 at 1:43 pm

      Welcome and glad you decided to speak up!

      “The option of parole for first-degree murderers was eliminated in 1994, although the phrase “life with chance of parole” has erroneously lingered in court parlance.”

      Keifer is a hack and in Nurmi’s pocket. He floats crap all the time, mis-speaks…pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!!!

      Thanks for the vote of confidence, appreciated!

    • MMD
      09/27/2013 at 1:55 pm

      Welcome Tami 🙂 to Donchais University!!! So glad that you jumped in. The sandbox is clean and welcoming and Donchais, our fearless leader, keeps out all evil plus puts up with us. Just remember that there are no dumb questions or comments and we are only as good as the sum of all our parts. Everyone has something to contribute and it is always a learning experience!

    • 09/27/2013 at 2:04 pm

      Ditto to what MMD said.

  22. donchais
    09/27/2013 at 2:00 pm

    MMD :

    Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I win another round :grin: I haven’t heard a word from Janet but I’m sure that she will surface once things get moving, if they do with the trial. I still have my Netflix but have been marathoning a few other shows altho I am converting people to my shows one at a time, slowly but surely. Don’t forget you can cancel after the free month and what about your data limits???

    As for the new Mrs. DP, hopefully she will be back soon. I thought of her constantly on the 16th.

    As for Daisy, it is truly a day at a time, fingers crossed.

    Beans, I really need to get your email addy from Donchais or give you mine. I truly don’t want to go this long without being in touch again.

    Donchais, if you’re around will you please give my email to Beans. Thanks darlin’. Love ya xoxo


    • 09/27/2013 at 2:07 pm

      Thanks Donchais, you’re the best.

      • donchais
        09/27/2013 at 2:09 pm

        better, not the best, lol!

      • 09/27/2013 at 2:26 pm

        Better is good enough for me.

      • donchais
        09/27/2013 at 2:29 pm


    • MMD
      09/28/2013 at 8:23 am

      Thanks donchais! No, simply the best!!!

  23. 09/27/2013 at 2:47 pm

    I don’t want to get all gooey here but it feels real good to be back among friends – a band of brothers and sisters – united in a common cause – justice for Travis and all victims everywhere.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      09/27/2013 at 7:52 pm

      Well said!! We don’t post anywhere else but here because we know our opinion (as aged as it sometimes sounds) will never be attacked or criticized. Very friendly and welcoming group! Happy to be a part of it! Justice for Travis all the way!

    • Anonymous
      09/30/2013 at 11:47 pm

      amen beans, amen!

  24. 09/27/2013 at 3:14 pm

    Anyone know what happened in the hearing this morning – if anything at all?

    • donchais
      09/27/2013 at 3:30 pm

      sealed as usual with Judge Sherry!!!!

  25. tamiandthebachelor
    09/27/2013 at 4:12 pm

    Thanks Everyone! I knew you would all be welcoming. I feel like I’ve known you all for ages. I miss seeing Syntara on here. She was a great addition to the conversation.

    Such a relief to know JA’s sentence will never include parole. Just another reason why I come here for news and information.

    • MMD
      09/28/2013 at 8:24 am

      I really miss Syn as well. I’ll have to see if I can find her in her rabbit hole.

  26. donchais
    09/27/2013 at 6:31 pm

    Just a reminder…comments are shut off 10 days after a post so peeps don’t get lost…they reopen on the next post

  27. donchais
    09/28/2013 at 6:36 am

    Rut roh

    Prosecutors want TV cameras banned from MacNeill trial


    • 09/28/2013 at 7:54 am

      Sounds like a bogus argument if their identities are already known. I wonder how strong the state’s case is if they have to rely on jailhouse snitches – I’m always skeptical of them.

    • MMD
      09/28/2013 at 8:39 am

      Jail has certainly done a job on MacNeill as he certainly looks terrible and I must admit, I’m glad that he’s suffering after everything he’s done to his family for years!

      As for snitches, they have ways of working around showing witness faces on camera. If their names are already in the public domain, then the argument seems kind of weak as well as surprising coming from the prosecution.

      I agree with Beans. It makes me wonder how strong their case really is.

  28. ritanita
    09/28/2013 at 8:52 am

    Good morning my sandbox friends!

    I’ve taken the hit and listened and/or read everything I could about a possible plea deal. After a bad night’s sleep, I offer up these bits and pieces gleaned from my “research” on the topic.

    1. If JA takes a plea deal to life, she would have to drop any future appeals.

    2. If it goes to trial and she gets the DP, she will have plenty of appeals available to her. This includes the fact that her defense did not adequately represent her in the mitigation phase. Their local Circuit Court is well known for ordering completely new trials, which is what she would want.

    3. The “evidentiary” hearing was sealed because much of the testimony involved previously sealed motions/documents. This probably includes Dr. Karp, the shrink who was originally supposed to testify at trial and wisely backed out. Jodi, naturally, lied up a storm to her as was brought up in trial. She told Karp about much more abuse than she told ALV.

    4. ALV refuses to testify in the new trial due to her “bad nerves” she never, ever had before and those awful “death threats,” as well, I’m sure, very bad press.

    5. The defense will make the same claim for any other possible mitigation witnesses, setting her on the fast-track for the appeal mentioned in #2. This would set her on a track towards a WHOLE NEW TRIAL! Yuck at the thought of going through that again in a bunch of years from now.

    6. If the defense called Dr. Janeen DeMarte to testify to JA’s Borderline Personality Disorder and mount a mental illness mitigation, it would flop since BPD is not a mental illness and JA is not mentally ill, just deranged. JA does know right from wrong as her alibi-making shows consciousness of guilt.

    While I appreciate the fact that Joe’s Pig Slop is now a staple of her diet, I want to see JA in prison. It’s not as nice and comfy as the jail and the rules are much more strict. She will be amongst her peers, the worst of the worst, whenever she manages to work her way out of death-row-like solitary after a few years.

    • 09/28/2013 at 9:10 am

      Thanks for the summary Ritanita. That ALV is a real piece of work – supposedly solidly in JA’s corner with the abuse claims then throws her under the bus and cuts and runs at the first sign of trouble. What happened to the principle of people in her line of work having their client’s back?

      • ritanita
        09/28/2013 at 10:04 am

        She was supposed to be the mitigation witness. When Karp bailed, she was stuck with a job for which I do not think she was fully qualified. She didn’t test her subject, she treated her as if she was an abused woman only telling the truth. IMHO, she knew what she was doing and made an idiot of herself in court.

        When she was on the stand for a couple of days, speaking in general, she got rather a warm reception from the media and I’ve seen the news clips to back it up.

        Once she started taking specifically about JA, she turned into a stooge for the defense.

        That’s why she won’t testify. Just remember, since she’s out of state, she will be difficult to subpoena. If the subpoena were successful, heaven knows if the defense would get the “good stuff” out of her again!

    • MMD
      09/28/2013 at 9:28 am

      Thanks Ritanita for your research and taking the hit. You and donchais are so appreciated!!!

      How can ALV refuse to testify if she is under subpoena? Only in AZ is court a choice 🙄

      I truly can’t see JA taking a plea deal because she has not a damn thing to lose at this point and with her love of media attention, I can’t see her giving that up. Plus even tho she is now living on Sheriff’s Joe’s slop it is probably somewhat more palatable than prison. I’m sure that in her deluded head she figures she can postpone that outcome for years. Anyone else think the same?

      Has anyone heard anything from the Alexander family as to whether or not they have changed their minds about the DP?

      • ritanita
        09/28/2013 at 10:05 am

        Lol, MMD, I answered you just above in my mini-rant.

      • MMD
        09/28/2013 at 10:07 am

        And what a good mini-rant it was darlin’ 😀

      • donchais
        09/28/2013 at 10:58 am

        Shanna Hogan believes they aren’t solidly set on DP. What they are set on is a death row type setting where she can’t be belle of the cell block. 23/7 lock down, no contact with other inmates to do her bidding, no being able to taunt, no media or internet contact…yada, yada. I would totally support that myself, however not sure that can happen if not on death row. Not sure legally that can just magically appear as an option. Think it should be one though!!!

      • 09/28/2013 at 11:24 am

        Donchais, I like the 23/7 lockdown scenario too. especially as it would eliminate the decades of DP appeals and we’d never have to see her face again.

      • donchais
        09/28/2013 at 12:41 pm

        Too bad that would take a lot of legislative initiatives, but that would take years to enact. I do believe we would/should move in that direction. Only seems fair to victims and their loved ones! It ain’t easy being an advocate…been there, done that and the toll is high!

      • 09/28/2013 at 2:18 pm

        Donchais, it does take years to enact changes – we are far too easy on criminals up here but the PM is trying to correct that. Our most notorious prison, the Kingston Penitentiary, is closing and all the inmates are being flown out to be housed in other institutions. It opened in 1835 and was a brutal hellhole where the worst criminals were housed side by side with children and everyone was mistreated. I think the fallout from this is what lead us Canucks to lean so far the other way and start coddling convicts – a balance needs to be struck, one where the convicted do their time and victims rights take precedent over the rights of the guilty.

      • donchais
        09/28/2013 at 3:56 pm

        From your lips to God’s ears! We are way too PC as a society and ignore the obvious. Time for some common sense to prevail!

      • 09/28/2013 at 4:14 pm

        ‘Common Sense’ – sigh – Mark Twain said ‘common sense isn’t common, freedom isn’t free and justice isn’t always just. Those principles will never change.’

  29. 09/28/2013 at 9:06 am

    Excellent read about the JA “Conference Settlement” – 10/24/13. http://www.myazbar.org/AZAttorney/PDF_Articles/0407Settle.pdfthe upcoming “Conference

    That’s unfortunate with the MacNeill trial – Possibly no cameras!!! CNN keep on the pressure.

    • 09/28/2013 at 9:34 am

      Jessi, I can’t get to the page with this link, I get a message saying ‘this page cannot be found or no longer exists’

    • MMD
      09/28/2013 at 9:36 am

      Me either.

  30. 09/28/2013 at 9:43 am

    This is a special message for DP – I don’t like to use such despicable measures but you’ve forced me to it. My local grocer has frozen ducks on sale and if you don’t make an appearance here and at least let us know you’re OK, I’m going to get one for dinner tonight and it’ll all be your fault – that’ll learn ya.

    • MMD
      09/28/2013 at 10:09 am

      Darlin’ – she’s never around on the weekend. You’ll have to repost that on Monday!!! 😉

      • 09/28/2013 at 10:51 am

        She’s been married for a week, long enough for that romantic weekend stuff to have gotten old, besides, who’s more important, a spouse or us?

      • MMD
        09/28/2013 at 11:14 am

        Obviously us!!!!! Need you ask? 🙄

      • MMD
        09/28/2013 at 11:15 am

        and it’s pushing 2 weeks now.

      • 09/28/2013 at 11:43 am

        Yeah, I realized it was close to 2 weeks after I sent it, but that only strengthens my argument.

  31. 09/28/2013 at 10:03 am

    Sorry – try this one?
    If not, check out Juan Martinez Prosecutor Support Page.

    • 09/28/2013 at 10:48 am

      That one works – thanks Jessi.

  32. 09/28/2013 at 9:25 pm

    Woo hoo CFJ is back up and running! I’ve been checking regularly and missed the views and discussions. MacNeill sounds very interesting. How much did he belittle that beautiful Michelle into believing she needed a facelift? will continue to watch and wait while JA cries Poor Poor Pitiful Me (I had no mitigation) it’s the only defense she has but still a lie.

    • donchais
      09/29/2013 at 12:26 am

      Welcome home Essem!

  33. MMD
    09/29/2013 at 12:30 pm

    I love that everyone is coming back to the sandbox. 😀

  34. 09/29/2013 at 2:07 pm

    Oh? Hey everyone. I’m around.

  35. LadyinRed
    09/29/2013 at 10:38 pm

    LIR has missed the sandbox SO much! Waves and shout outs to all! Keep the heat coming, donchais!!!

  36. 09/30/2013 at 11:12 am

    Hey, where is everyone?

  37. 09/30/2013 at 11:14 am

    Was just watching day 30. Green day. Juan slams her on the knife…”It’s im-possible for it to have happened that way…” She wasn’t expecting that.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      09/30/2013 at 4:48 pm

      We watched that again also this past week! Boy….forgot how much double talk she is capable of!! Wow…..never saw someone spend so much energy evading questions!! Now that we know all we know about her you can go back to these tapes and see just how big a fake she was to EVERYONE!!

      • 09/30/2013 at 7:41 pm

        That was two questions…

      • donchais
        09/30/2013 at 7:56 pm


  38. GN5020
    09/30/2013 at 1:46 pm

    Donchais, I know this is a off-topic from the JA blog (which I have followed daily since January), but I was wondering if you, or any others in the sandbox, have an opinion about the Amanda Knox retrial. I found it hard to believe her in the original trial, so wasn’t surprised to hear some local “insider info” during a recent professional trip to Tuscany. I was told by a very credible, lifelong resident of Perugia that the wealthy parents of Rafaella Sollecito paid local police to influence what evidence came to trial, and paid Knox’s parents to ensure Amanda did not cut a deal to implicate Sollecito, who wielded the knife. Your thoughts??

  39. janeto
    09/30/2013 at 4:01 pm

    Hello?? Anyone around??? Been checking off and on, but just knew nothing would happen with Stabby and it would be postponed again! But I’ve been lurking. Missed my peeps!!!

  40. janeto
    09/30/2013 at 4:29 pm

    Oh well, I’m still around fellow sandboxers!! DP, congratulations on your wedding! You go girl!!! Hi Mom and everyone!!! I knew about Big Joe and his vegetarian meals last week, and just chuckled about the slop miss Stabby will be eating!! But oh she’s still “winning” huh?You know by the time she gets to DP trial, (if at all) it will be just what the defense wanted in the first place. 2014! I so feel for the Alexanders on this! 🙄 Beyond crazy!!! She will never go for a plea without parole and we all know it! She wants out in 25 years, credited with time served! I hope like hell she doesn’t get out EVER!!!! No more media, twitter, or selling her crappy drawings she calls art! Now, for Wendy,….what can I say… I’m not impressed at all, but very shocked by her.. I mean “c’mon man!” That letter said nothing different that what we all could have written ourselves! And we aren’t even lawyers! (Well most of us) And like we all have thought, Juan isn’t stupid! He already knows all of that and so much more than miss Wendy could ever dream about. He’s always steps ahead of us, and he is the best!! I just hope this ends for the family sooner than later! And no matter what anyone else may think or know, I am soooooo SICK of the Judge I can’t stand her anymore than I can “Willnotwin and recliner boy!!” She needs to get those balls me and MMD sent her, and try them on for size! If it all boils down to her deciding Life or LWOP, she better choose the latter! She will hear alot of backlash, and should be disbarred! She is such a wimp, I’m ashamed of her being a woman! Now, with that said, I’ve missed everybody, and mom, looking forward to the MacNeill trial!! I’m gonna watch Dr. Drew tonight, due to it’s suppose to be about all they know…. Best get going now. Take care everyone!!! 😀

    • beansrontash
      09/30/2013 at 5:41 pm

      Janeto, so glad to know you’re OK, and love the “c’mon man” reference. You’ve been missed.

  41. ritanita
    09/30/2013 at 6:21 pm

    Just got this link in my inbox: http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodis-new-blog-post/

    She quotes from the JII site a post purportedly by the she-devil herself. Interesting read.

  42. ritanita
    09/30/2013 at 6:24 pm

    LOL! I went back and Twitter had this message!

    Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 4h
    Good news! The judge is allowing TV coverage of the #MartinMacNeill trial. We hope to have the live stream if there is one for you all.

    • donchais
      09/30/2013 at 7:55 pm

      go the same info, but couldn’t post because my roof was being replaced today…between sales/quality assurance folks tromping through and my nerves being shot with all the thumping and hammering…sucking on a vodka/tonic now, lol…ty gf!

      • ritanita
        09/30/2013 at 8:42 pm

        Roof replacement=instant headache! I’ve never been through one myself, yet, but I’m sure the vodka/tonic helped a lot!

        Also heard on JVM tonight that the judge also ruled that the daughter can’t testify about her mother telling her that if anything happened, she should look into her father. Also, the ex-gf who had the tales of his confessions to trying to kill her mother, drowning his brother, drugging/drowning his wife will not come in. Darn it, hearsay again.

        However, I understand. I think there is a great circumstantial case anyway. The daughter who is now a doctor took care of her mother and can testify on everything we read. “Funny” how daddy dearest sent her back to school the day before mummy got so terribly depressed all of a sudden and “committed suicide.”

      • donchais
        09/30/2013 at 9:21 pm

        lots of hear saying in this case…roof replace is like Juan said…herd of wildebeast…yikes
        oh yeah..gutters etc, tomorrow…get that rusty ice pick out tomorrrow

  43. 09/30/2013 at 11:16 pm

    Sounds like HLN is following the MacNeill case very closely – possibly major pool camera??? Hopefully Dennis/WAT (as we know with the JA trial ) will be the cameraman. He is the best and WAT, also.

    Yeah, I know HLN can be annoying, sometimes, but they do sound serious about this one.

    • ritanita
      10/01/2013 at 8:02 am

      IIRC, CNN attorney filed the reply and argued it in court. They seem to have the feed. That means HLN or InSession (if it is still around) will cover the trial.

      Means my poor ears will have to suffer a while longer in the evenings, like it or not!

  44. donchais
    10/01/2013 at 8:19 am

    Some wacky pretrial motions rulings in MacNeill

    Judge limits testimony from doc’s alleged lover

    MacNeill judge limits daughter’s testimony

    • ByeByeJA
      10/01/2013 at 8:18 pm

      I don’t understand how that makes sense!! They can’t ask about her mother’s statement but they can impeach the daughters with stuff that happened in school?? What what what????

      • donchais
        10/01/2013 at 10:08 pm

        dunno, my point zactly!

  45. Anonymous
    10/02/2013 at 8:38 am

    Who is this judge’s benefactor? It’s sabotage.

  46. bubblebutts
    10/02/2013 at 8:39 am

    Who is paying this judge?

  47. bubblebutts
    10/02/2013 at 8:40 am

    Something stinks here.

  48. bubblebutts
    10/02/2013 at 8:42 am

    I don’t nuthin from nuthin, but I would ask the judge to recuse themselves.

    • donchais
      10/02/2013 at 9:24 am

      The defense got the original judge tossed a week or so ago. This is a brand new judge on the case and he’s already scaring me!

  49. NancyB
    10/02/2013 at 2:30 pm

    This is so wrong – to not be allowed to not be allowed to call Michelle, the murdered victim, the victim, in court!


    • MMD
      10/02/2013 at 5:02 pm

      I totally agree. Wurmi tried that same motion and was denied but yet the prosecutor Chad Grunander said he expected that ruling. 🙄 It would be nice if the different states could agree on similar rules of evidence. Also, it appears that Utah has a similar work ethic/law as AZ as they are only going 4 days a week. I just hope that Judge Pullan doesn’t allow as many sidebars and delays as Judge Stevens!!!

  50. donchais
    10/03/2013 at 9:09 am

    Update on Arias hearings:

    The parties have agreed the pretrial hearings/oral arguments scheduled for October 4, 2013 and October 18, 2013 should be closed to the public. The court finds an open proceeding for these pretrial hearings presents a clear and present threat to the due administration of justice, specifically the right of the parties to a fair penalty phase trial by an impartial jury. The court finds there is a compelling interest that overcomes the right of public access, specifically, there is a substantial probability that publication of information provided during these court hearings (through evidence or argument) could taint the jury pool and significantly impact the parties’ ability to effectively present matters at trial. The court also finds that, in light of the intense media coverage of this case, there is no less restrictive means to achieve these compelling interests. Good cause appearing,
    IT IS ORDERED closing the hearings scheduled for October 4, 2013 and October 18,

  51. jad
    10/04/2013 at 5:59 am

    It’s donchais’ message [posted at # 23] that should be followed. She has asked us to step up, if we can. The World is a busy place, money is tight, and since time is money, this is not an easy thing to do — but it does take more than what is currently available for the victims of a crime, especially crimes of the intensity as that committed by Jodi Arias and [so far as it appears] that committed by Martin MacNeill. The coverage of that case will be just as interesting as the Arias case was and the coverage of the Oscar Pistorius case will be. Anyway, that’s my vote.

  52. jad
    10/04/2013 at 6:07 am

    I agree with renae’s post [on 10/02/2013 at 11:57 P.M., currently as # 2]. I spent quite a bit of time yesterday at Barnes and Noble reviewing the book written by Jane Velez Mitchell, and believe the same for her book, as the other by Shannon Hogan.

    When I reviewed the book renae mentioned, I had to put it down because I was so frustrated. In view of the fact that the author is a reporter, I felt that there would be a much better understanding of the facts and a presentation to match the facts, not match what a pathological liar was saying. Then again, Michael Kiefer is a reporter too, and most of his articles about Arias favor her or simply pass over any facts favorable to Travis. He is quoted often on the arias is innocent site when trying to prove her innocence or how terrible Travis was.

    It is my opinion that the books written by two respected women, in a field of bringing the unvarnished news to a trusting general audience, were not deeply researched. It was disheartening to read about Arias supposedly lending or giving Travis money to make his mortgage payment as though Arias would have money or would have had to use her money to give to Travis so that he could pay his bills. It was also upsetting to read about several sexcapades, when the only person that talks about such events is a pathological liar, and there is no corroborating evidence. There have been a few of us at this site who believe that Travis was a virgin when he was slaughtered. From all of the review of the material in the Court record and the additional interviews, it shows that we are right, not the authors of Exposed or Picture Perfect. The research confirms what we believe. Travis may have been involved in the way Arias had inferred, when bringing up the name of a former President of the United States [Bill Clinton], but Travis was a babe in the woods, not guilty of most of what Arias said about him.

  53. jad
    10/04/2013 at 6:20 am

    ritanita — I read all of the posts at the web site address you posted for Kristina Randle’s site. One blogger wrote that it was difficult to prove a negative when trying to explain away the purported abuse Arias has alleged she suffered at the hands of Travis Alexander. In the case of Jodi Arias, it may be difficult, but it is not impossible to disprove her stories. As a matter of fact, it is Jodi Arias, herself, who invalidates the abuse stories, “In Her Own Words”. She has provided enough evidence in the Trial record and her interviews to show the abuse never happened. In addition, just because she has tried to repeat the stories of domestic violence does not mean she believes them and is thus delusional, as some may want to portray for a mental illness defense [which would also be too little too late for that type of defense].

    It is very clear that Arias was not abused, and, her supposed faulty recall of the domestic violence incidents, shows that she had no fact-supported recollection of the events (since they never occurred). Usually, women who experience acts of domestic violence have vivid recall capabilities about certain types of abuse. This was lacking in Arias’ stories. In addition, she would alter the story when telling it, depending on the subject she had been discussing with her criminal lawyer or the prosecutor during questioning. There is a reason for this peculiar action. She may have the story memorized, but it seems as though it is never good enough for her.

    When Arias was trying to describe numerous events, it became very noticeable that she could not help herself but had to tweak the event to make it sound better. That seems to be one of her traits. If something comes along that she can add to in order to make herself look more important, more vulnerable, more enchanting or more of whatever adjective will work at that moment, she will use it for her benefit, in a new story telling rant, or to embellish a preexisting story [if that is her only option]. It appears that she can not help herself in that matter. Remember how she embellished her story about getting the gun out of the closet before she shot Travis? She had to add the holster because it was in that published article that Dr. Samuels wanted the Jury to read. There was no need to place the gun [with made-up ownership] into a made-up holster so late in the game, but she did. She just could not help herself. She had to do this because it seems that she would have believed such an embellishment in the preexisting story would have made the story that much better.

    Her embellishments, conniving, white lies, fibs, whoppers, or whatever you would want to call her deceitful conduct doesn’t seem to detract from her power to manipulate. The additions to her stories at a later time do not lose supporters. She can just tell those supporters that she had initially forgotten that part. Not being that important to the story, she can get away with her little additions. However, this habit of hers is what has made it so easy to take her stories apart, to show the falsity of what she reports as certainty.

    The books that have been written about Arias have failed to mention this or have not EXPOSED the activity that Arias entertains. Arias’ letter, printed at Kristina Randle’s web site, addressed the book written by Jane Velez Mitchell, Exposed. Arias wrote, “imagine, if you will, that this book, filled with degrading, embarrassing, spurious details about you, however untrue, is dedicated to someone who used to bully, beat, and abuse you so copiously that your body, mind – especially your mind – and soul still bear the scars of these horrific experiences” and “Imagine also that a portion of the book’s sales are donated to a so-called “Legacy” fund bearing your abuser’s name and founded by people whose burning, twisted desire is to watch you die”. Moreover, she described what had been written about her as “This book is filled with nasty lies about you and half-truths distorted to make you look as inhuman and unsalvageably evil as possible”.

    Lisa Bloom had depicted the author of this book, on its jacket cover, to have “a deeper understanding of this case than anyone”. Nancy Grace wrote the Foreword for the book, promising details that would be provided. However, there was no explanation for the lies, and many of these lies were repeated as fact in the book, as though verifiable and being true. You, donchais, and others were right about this book. I just finished a brief review of it last night, while at Barnes and Noble. This book really did not do anything more than repeat what had been testified to or reveled in the evidence record. There was no meaningful report about the particulars of the case that one would have not known. Although Arias looked as though she was seeing what had been written in the book for the first time, that was not so. Much of what was written in the book had come out of Arias’ own mouth.

    So, you were right. The letter and the information at the web site were an interesting read for many reasons.

  54. 10/04/2013 at 10:15 am

    Get ready for Arias to then complain that there were no cameras in the courtroom.

    • 10/04/2013 at 10:44 am

      Damned straight, you just know she’s all ready to do her best Norma Desmond – “I’m ready for my closeup Mr. DeMille”

  55. MMD
    10/04/2013 at 1:36 pm

    Is the October 15 trial date for MacNeill the beginning of opening statements or will we still have to go through jury selection? Anyone???

    • donchais
      10/04/2013 at 5:27 pm

      Not sure…still more motions to go thru and I’m prolly the only one who doesn’t count jury
      selection as the start of the trial…just a blogger idjit, lol!

      • ritanita
        10/05/2013 at 11:02 am

        Add that they are rarely televised! Even though boring, they are fascinating. They are one step above when the judge reads the jury instructions and one step below a charging conference.

      • MMD
        10/05/2013 at 11:42 am

        They were televised in the Zimmerman trial. First time I had ever seen it and I learned a lot.

  56. 10/04/2013 at 6:25 pm

    Just checked some of the other sites on the progress of today’s closed hearing with JA – sounds like quite the argument over cameras. Go figure!

    CNN and HLN are putting up quite the fight. It’s sickening with all this privacy – little too late for that crap.

    Have to wait and see what Stephens decides???

  57. 10/04/2013 at 9:31 pm

    I saw ugly Arias on the telly today in yet another courtroom scene. When the hell is she going to fry? She still has that smug look but I’m sure it’s just stuck on by now! Poor little abused girl, off to death row for you!!!

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