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Martin MacNeill Murder Trial – Day 2


imagesBoy, this Judge is timely!

There is a slight delay while the prosecution is having the bathtub brought in, so the pros won that one!

State calls Heidi Johnson Peterson.  She was the 911 dispatcher.

She said the tape reflects what happened on the call.

The tape is moved in.

The tape is played for the court.

MacNeill sure sounds like a crazy person and he gave an incorrect address.

She sent police and medics once she figured the correct address.


Defense is playing a slowed down version of the call and instead of 305 Mill Creek, it’s 3058.

She is released.

State calls Kristi Daniels.  She was a neighbor of MacNeill.

She identifies a photo of her house and MacNeill’s house.

She had two friends over at her house on April11 and Ada showed up saying her dad needed help.

As she went over to MacNeill’s she could hear MacNeill yelling for help.  She entered the bathroom and saw Michele in the tub and MacNeill was standing over her and she said that 911 needed to be called, but MacNeill said he already did.  She never saw MacNeill on the phone with 911.

She left to get her cell phone to call her husband.

She said Michele was in the tub with her head by the faucet and her feet in the other end of the tub.  Michele was in the tub face up.  She had mucus running out of her nose.

Was Michele dressed?  Yes, she had on a long-sleeved black T-shirt but no pants.

Her husband showed up to help get Michele out of the tub.  She told them she knew CPR and started compressions while MacNeil was doing the breathing.

Did you ever see mucus on MacNeill?  No.

Her husband said he could do the compressions and she should go out and wait for the ambulance.

She later found out that Michele died.

She was aware MacNeill brought Gypsy into the home, but knew her as Jillian.


The first time you entered the bathroom, did you see MacNeill doing CPR?  I assumed he was.

She saw the ambulance arrive before the police.

When you were in the bathroom, there was no water in the tub?  No, from where I was standing.

On April 11, did you see anybody coming and going to the MacNeill house?  No.

Jury questions…

Were you looking at anything specifically that MacNeill was doing the breathing and you were doing compression?  No.

How did Michele’s clothing get removed?  I remember the white tank top but don’t know how the black T-shirt got removed.

She is released subject to recall.

Recess called…

Have to say, this has been a struggle to keep up with today, everybody is all over the place!

State calls Angie Aguilar.  Another neighbor.

She attended the same LDS church.  Says MacNeill taught Sunday school.

Did you ever hear MacNeill talk about his health?  He taught a lesson in which he indicated his health was failing.  He had less than a year to live.

Objection, sidebar…

Do you recall the events of April 11?  Yes.

She was at the Daniel’s house.  She describes Ada showing up saying her dad needs help.

She went with Kristi to the MacNeill’s house and didn’t hear anything.

She briefly saw Michele and her vision was obscured because Doug came in.

She says Michele was completely in the tub.

This is pretty much a rehash of Kristi’s testimony.

Says Michele only had on a white undershirt!

Was she wet? Damp.

Was there water in the tub?  Not that I saw.

She saw Doug doing compression and MacNeill doing breathing and never saw any mucus on MacNeill’s face.

Heard MacNeill say he told Michele not to do this, meaning the surgery.

She learned Michele passed away.

She babysat the younger daughters while MacNeill made funeral arrangements.

She also knew Jillian had been brought in to be a nanny.


You stated the MacNeill was breathing puffs of air into Michele.  He was supposed to be doing that, but I can’t say he actually did.

You saw blood on Michele’s face?  Yes the incisions were bleeding.

There was blood all over her face?  No, the incisions were wet.

Again, the defense is doing nothing, but trying to impeach the witness with prior interviews.


State calls Doug Daniels. Next-door neighbor.

He too repeats the story that MacNeill being ill.

He recalls getting a call from his wife Kristi to come to the MacNeill house.

He entered the bathroom and saw Michele in the tub.  He confirms the previous testimony about the location of Michele’s head and feet inside the tub.

MacNeill’s clothing was not wet.

Says no water in the tub, but Michele was damp.

He recalls Michele in a white tank top and nothing else.

He helped MacNeill move Michele out of the tub.

He saw a little blood on the incisions will doing CPR.

He confirms the mucus running down Michele’s nose and mouth, but never saw any on MacNeill.

Funny that nobody saw Michele’s chest rise while MacNeill was supposedly breathing.

As with the last two witnesses, after Michele died, MacNeill told all of them that Michele died of heart issues.

He also saw Jillian had been installed as the nanny but it became apparent as time went by that the relationship was more than that.

MacNeill left in the ambulance with Michele and asked Doug to take care of the house.

Doug checked the bathroom and bedroom, saw some blood and water on the floor that hadn’t been there earlier, so he tried to clean up.

Lunch called.

Cross of Doug Daniels.

Once again, trying to impeach the witness with previous testimony.

This is getting old.  We’re talking years in between.

You said the mucus was clear in your earlier interview?  There was some coloration to it.

Mostly just clear.  Just what he said today!

Pretty much, this impeachment is going nowhere!  Daniels is a strong witness.

Defense is taking a cherry picking action here and taking previous statements out of context.


Pros clean up the discrepancies the defense tried to make a big deal out of.

When MacNeill was doing the breathing, did you see Michele’s chest rise?  No.

State calls Ray Ormond.  Police officer.

He responded to the MacNeill home.

He entered the bathroom and saw Michele on the bathroom floor.  Michele was wet.

He and his partner started CPR.  He remembers there was water on the floor.

He says Michele was bluish in color.

She had a black shirt and white tank and bra at the time!

How the heck did Michele get dressed again????

They moved Michele from the bathroom to the bedroom floor and continued CPR.

He heard a gurgle from Michele lungs and saw her bluish color turning more pinkish.  Her incisions also started weeping.

Are you certified in CPR and people who had been under water?  Yes.

What do those changes indicate?


As they continued CPR about 3 cups of fluid exited Michele’s mouth.  The fluid got on both he and his partner.

Says during this time MacNeill was agitated and ranting.  He was worried about his safety.

EMTs arrived and cut the clothes off Michele to attach the heart monitor.

MacNeill was telling LE what to do and when EMTs arrived, telling them what to do.


How long where you doing CPR in the bath before you moved Michele to the bedroom?  I couldn’t say.

You testified in previous testimony that Michele was sopping wet?  Yes.

In earlier testimony, you never said you were in fear of MacNeill?  No.

Did MacNeill say Michele was slumped over the tub?  No.

Did you check for lividity?  No.

Jury questions…

When you entered the bathroom you said you recognized MacNeill, but here you said you didn’t know him?  I recognized him today.

You said Michele had on a black shirt, white shirt, and bra?  Yes.

Court called till Tuesday at 8:30.  So, they don’t do court on Mondays, not Fridays!

  1. MMD
    10/18/2013 at 5:25 pm

    Once again thank you donchais for your recap and all of the rest you do. Please know that you are very appreciated by all of us. Luv ya xoxo

    “Funny that nobody saw Michele’s chest rise while MacNeill was supposedly breathing.”
    Isn’t it now. Marty was faking it plus how the hell could he get any air into her lungs with all that fluid in there!!!! I hope that the jury picked up on that.

    I also agree with you that the defense is simply cherry picking comments from years ago and arguing over semantics. Geesh, do they think that lots of smiles and because you can’t remember the exact words that you are impeached. Hopefully the jury is smarter than that.

    I love how this judge keep things on time and doesn’t waste a minute, however he threw me for a loop when he said no court Monday. I already had myself back to the AZ timeframe. I wish these states would be consistent!!!

    I notice that this judge doesn’t ask the jury whether they have followed his admonitions however he does stand whenever they come in, like Judge Perry. I like that. It shows them respect.

    Well at least things were a tad more interesting today but I still wish they would turn up their mics or whoever is doing the primary streaming would turn up the volume.

  2. MMD
    10/18/2013 at 5:44 pm

    I just found a copy of the witness list. It looks like the pathologists will be #’s 17-21 and Gypsy Willis will be #22. They also have 9 inmates and 1 former inmate. I’m sure all upstanding citizens in their own right 🙄

  3. MMD
    10/18/2013 at 5:54 pm

    Where the hell did everyone go????????? 😦

    • dpforjodi
      10/18/2013 at 6:29 pm

      are you still there

  4. MMD
    10/18/2013 at 5:59 pm

    Altho I didn’t watch it and you didn’t cover it, I just discovered the my man JM is going to retry Chrisman (the cop) for 2nd degree murder and animal cruelty. I don’t know whether the outcome will be any different (he was found guilty of agg assault) but it does help explain why it takes so long for victims to receive justice in AZ.

  5. dpforjodi
    10/18/2013 at 6:30 pm

    gotta go Corrie is on

  6. Marilyn N
    10/18/2013 at 7:12 pm

    MMD: I had not heard of the Luka Magnotta case that you mentioned so just got finished reading about him. What kind of defense will that be?

    • MMD
      10/18/2013 at 7:49 pm

      Have no idea Marilyn. Probably that he’s a loon plus he is actually mentally ill. In Canada there is usually a publishing ban until the case is over.

  7. Marilyn N
    10/18/2013 at 8:00 pm

    MMD – I came across the interrogation of Canada’s Russell Williams. That was quite
    interesting! Somehow that one got past me when it happened.
    Love watching interrogations, if you have any to suggest.

    • 10/19/2013 at 10:59 am

      The cop doing the interview did a masterful job, he was considered a hero up here.

      • Marilyn N
        10/19/2013 at 11:51 am

        It seems like all these fraudsters get by for quite some time and then they get reckless and end up getting caught.

  8. 10/19/2013 at 10:12 am

    Hello Everyone!

    Looks like the MM trial may last a lot longer than five weeks. The lawyers are moving at a snail’s pace – snooze . . . These guys are outdoing Nurmi, if that can be done.

    Here is something I found about AL. Does she seem threatened? You may not be able to listen to her crap – the whining is pathetic. I found myself getting so annoyed and had to stop. Good luck if anyone can get through it.

    Thanks Donchais for having us!

    • 10/19/2013 at 10:57 am

      Thanks Jessi, I managed to listen for an entire minute, do I win something?

    • Marilyn N
      10/19/2013 at 11:49 am

      I would be pissed if I went to that conference and had to hear about the innocence of JA.
      But then, you could NOT pay me to attend be there.

      I might have listened for 3-1/2 minutes……..

      • 10/19/2013 at 12:16 pm

        I am in awe that you managed 3-1/2 minutes Marilyn, you flat-out win.

      • dpforjodi
        10/21/2013 at 3:45 pm

        I listened to it in its entirety, do I get a prize? Free therapy?

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/19/2013 at 1:10 pm

      We didn’t get through even a full minute!! Geeeezzzz….some things never change. Get back under your rock you ol bag of hot air and quit patting yourself on the the back!! By the way…..were there any men in her audience!? From the 35 sec we tried to listen to we couldn’t see any!

      • MMD
        10/20/2013 at 9:21 am

        CCC – of course there weren’t any men – she hates them as we all know!!!!!!

    • MMD
      10/19/2013 at 2:38 pm

      I lasted 47 seconds until JA was mentioned. Couldn’t take another second.

    • dpforjodi
      10/21/2013 at 11:39 am

      POSTERGIRL,who are you fooling Alice ? Good morning everyone. I hate this woman!!!!!!!!

  9. 10/19/2013 at 11:16 am

    Beans – A stiff drink or more – little early though!!!
    Don’t think I made it past a minute 🙂

    • Marilyn N
      10/19/2013 at 12:01 pm

      I fast fwded to 1:24 and LaT ends by showing the tape of her and Martinez
      going back and forth about Snow White.
      So she has incorporated her trial experience into her talks – beginning and ending.

  10. 10/19/2013 at 2:41 pm

    Does anyone else find it odd how frantic Martin MacNeill is on the 911 calls since he is suppose to be a Doctor??? That disturbs me! I hope this is a savvy jury…

    • MMD
      10/19/2013 at 2:46 pm

      It sounded to me like he was acting like he thought he should be – overacting. Not a drop of it sounded sincere to me. Who the hell answers the phone when they’re supposedly doing cpr?

      • 10/19/2013 at 2:58 pm

        Yes, I am sure a Dr. would be more professional on a 911 call!

  11. 10/19/2013 at 2:43 pm

    I too am a little concerned how the police found her with her dark long sleeved shirt on and the neighbours say she only had a white camisole on? However, that would explain why the neighbour thought he picked up a pile of clothes and a bra when he was cleaning up the bedroom.

  12. 10/19/2013 at 6:53 pm

    I’m finding it hard to watch, it’s so slow with no passion by anyone. Guess I’m expecting all prosecution to be like JM who is at x2 speed. All the lawyers seem inexperienced and struggling with their questioning. Still can’t comprehend how Michelle believed she needed a facelift she was gorgeous. Is ALV coming to talk about how that bastard must have treated her for her to believe this was necessary?

    • MMD
      10/20/2013 at 9:18 am

      Hiya Essem – how are things down under? I agree that the attorneys seem all inexperienced but both def attorneys have tons of experience and are considered “the elite” so he is paying big time for his defense. I do wish that someone would light a fire under the pros and that they would show some passion and outrage for the victim.

      • 10/21/2013 at 3:24 pm

        Hi MMD gotta tell a story that I’m sure everyone I outside Aust thinks is an every day occurrence .. Was driving to work and not too far from home (I live in semi rural area) the traffic ahead slowed down and stopped because a kangaroo suddenly appeared and bounded across the road. I can tell you all this is not something we see often so it was a bit of excitement. I confess to watching about 10 mins of La Toilette’s vid was she there to talk about DV or her own notoriety? Can’t believe macNeill’s attorneys are “the elite” they all sound like first year grads practising at a mock trial. Hope the jury can stay awake and pay attention long enough to follow this through. Can’t wait to see the text messages!!! Nice to be back in the sandbox 🙂

  13. cathyn518
    10/20/2013 at 12:41 am

    Hi everyone,
    Long time lurker here, from the JA trial. I felt it only right to introduce myself since I will be relying on this site once again to keep me abreast of each day’s proceedings. You folks are sharp! I am semi-retired and work a few days now as a substitute teacher now so I will miss some of this trial but will follow it mostly through this blog.Thanks to all, and mostly to you Donchais for making this possible.(I couldn’t watch any of that ALV video due to a pretty pronounced gag reflex)

    • donchais
      10/20/2013 at 1:43 am

      Welcome and jump in when ya can!

    • MMD
      10/20/2013 at 9:14 am

      Welcome cathyn518. Since you are a long time lurker I don’t need to do my long winded welcome that I try to do for new people. Glad you decided to jump in and your gag reflex comment made me roar!!!!!!!

      We are all grateful and appreciative to be members of the University of Donchais. 😀

      • cathyn518
        10/20/2013 at 9:46 am

        thank you for that kind welcome. One nagging question I have about the MM trial is: Did the good doctor ever seem to consider asking his wife for a a divorce instead of killing her? Was it the financial cost or his status in the community/church that seemed to prevent him from doing this? I don’t know if this has ever been discussed but it is crazy that this “brilliant individual” may have never asked for a divorce so he could be with the psychopathic gypsy. To end the life of such a beautiful woman who was loved and needed by 8 children is so heinous.

      • MMD
        10/21/2013 at 9:38 am

        Cathy – I think that he wanted his cake and eat it too and was arrogant enough to think that he could pull off killing Michele and would just be able to move on to the next woman (who he would have cheated on as well) After all, for a successful dr of nothing with still quite a few minor children at home, it would have been very, very expensive.

        As for his church, while LDS members are considered married for life, divorce does happen just like with any other religion. In my humble opinion, money was more important to MM than what the church or others thought. After all he was the king of spin.

  14. Petey
    10/20/2013 at 6:48 am

    Good Morning All!
    I am struggling watching this trial. The inappropriate affect of the defense and prosecutors, coupled with the lack of affect and robotic like Judge, is to me, painful. Beautiful Michele, and her children deserve better. The neighbor who noted ‘esthetics’ when describing the master bedroom, bath was a high point. I’m so appreciating donchais’ comments/recaps. May jstice be served.

    • MMD
      10/21/2013 at 9:46 am

      Ditto Petey.

  15. September
    10/20/2013 at 10:32 am

    Hi everyone, so enjoy this site. Let me echo Cathyn518 and say you are a smart and insightful bunch. I so miss Juan! I feel sorry for these prosecutors he’s a tough act to follow.

  16. donchais
    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/20/2013 at 11:10 pm

      WOW! That is one hell of a report!! This guy is a real piece of work!! We hope the Pros presents the witnesses and evidence as precise and chronolocially as this report does. The jury can’t help but come to the right decision….GUILTY AS HELL!!

      We do question why that Psychiatrist didn’t report him at the time that he or she received information from one of the girlfriends (Angela) that he was a serial killer!! We thought doctor’s of any type were supposed to automatically report this type of information (as well as abuse) to the authorities regardless of patient/doctor confidentiality! If someone is being harmed or in a position to be harmed isn’t this supposed to be reported??!!

      Geeezzzz…..what is it with these sickos??!! CA, JA, Seacat, this fool and his Gypsy Goon……etc. etc. etc…..geeezzzz…..!!!!

      Thanks for sharing the link Donchais and Ritanita……it certainly brought us up to speed with this case. After JA we took a long break. Anxiety attacks at our age is not healthy and it’s not easy seeing how wicked and evil some people are. We can only hope that the McNeill Daughters (and their mother) and the Alexanders get the justice that is theirs and SOON!!

      • MMD
        10/21/2013 at 9:45 am

        I agree CCC about the psychiatrist reporting what he knew to the authorities. If she did not say his name or if he did not find her credible, that might be the reason.

      • dpforjodi
        10/21/2013 at 1:52 pm

        ditto everything you said CCC’s. What is with Gypsy’s roomy? She was thinking of a way to get wifey out of the way. Why didn’t she report her to the police???????
        What kind of life insurance did doc have on Michele and did he collect?
        I’m a glutton for punishment if, I must say. Must get back to
        A(ssho)lice’s rant. A little too Lilith Fair and Women’s Festival for me. Just waiting for the mirrors to come out and a vaginal inspection, NOT.
        I just hate her!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        oh and hello newbies,don’t want to be rude

      • cathyn518
        10/21/2013 at 9:52 pm

        “A little too Lilith Fair and Women’s Festival for me” what a perfect description, thanks for the laugh!

    • 10/20/2013 at 11:12 pm

      Thank you for that, Donchais! Very informative…sure hope he gets what he deserves!

    • MMD
      10/21/2013 at 9:41 am

      Thanks ritanita and donchais. If that was just the affidavit to obtain the search warrant just imagine how horrific the final report must have been. What a total piece of scum.

      I notice that it not include text messages just emails. I would just love to see what they were texting to each other.

  17. 10/20/2013 at 11:16 pm

    After reading the witness list, are there really only 7 witnesses for Michelle? We have already seen 6 of the 7 and that leave Ada Martin. That is difficult to believe or is that not a complete list?

  18. Anonymous
    10/21/2013 at 3:00 am

    Thank you donchais — will do

  19. MMD
    10/21/2013 at 2:05 pm

    dpforjodi :
    I’m a glutton for punishment if, I must say. Must get back toI
    A(ssho)lice’s rant. A little too Lilith Fair and Women’s Festival for me. Just waiting for the mirrors to come out and a vaginal inspection, NOT.
    I just hate her!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Mrs. DP are you on meds? You’d have to be on serious ones to watch the entire ALV video. Now don’t hold back, tell us how you really feel about her???????? 😉

    • dpforjodi
      10/21/2013 at 2:53 pm

      yes, I am on meds but obviously not enough. Boiling up another neocitrane, you see…… its my crack. I listened to her entire rant. What I found the most disgusting was the guffaws and giggling by the listeners, tell me they borrowed a laughtrak from some 60’s sitcom.
      to quote the crusty old nun on Call the Midwife “ah, the things you see when you haven’t got a gun”

      • MMD
        10/21/2013 at 3:17 pm

        LOL – see I knew you had to be on something to listen to ALV. Just remember that is time you will never get back 🙄

  20. dpforjodi
    10/21/2013 at 3:27 pm

    to true
    and what I would have given to see some old flasher come up to that window and expose himself to Ayouknowwho and the sisters……….”Get your keys and gouge his eyes out sisters” then it turns kind of Benny Hill with them all running after him. Good meds if I may say so.
    returning to the fetal position on the floor now, bye

  21. jad
    10/22/2013 at 2:47 am

    Thank you donchais for the updates. It is impossible to follow this MacNeill Trial in real time because I’m still immersed in the Arias case. That would be the reason that I had to watch that video that Jessi posted. Believe me, if it were not for the Arias case, that video would have been shelved. But then, some of the details LaViolette provided about herself would have gone unknown. (So, thank you again, and thank you for the assistance that came about when I was staring at that video [lost in thought] and wondering if I could stomach delving into the mind of a mediocrity so early in the morning. It seemed as though you knew [of a lately ever-present thought of throwing in the towel]. I just couldn’t keep anything away from the President of this University — such as, that I was making mental excuses for not going to the site Jessi posted or other Arias sites because I had been trying to find a reasonable way out of the commitment made to research the case so that the outcome would reveal the truth that could be discovered. Then, what you wrote was interpreted as to press on into the site. [I know, I know, a rationale for serendipity. And, that did not make for logical thinking. But, at 3:00 in the morning, it worked.])

    Thank you Jessi for the post at # 15 [at 10:12 a.m. on 10/19/2013]. This is really appreciated, although I can definitely see the reasons that the others don’t want to watch it (even as DP looks like she’s giving it a yeoman’s try). It is definitely not of your making that most of what is on that video is hogwash [which seems to be more of a testing of the waters to find a way to restore what was lost by LaViolette after entering her Faustian pact with the she-devil, Arias, through a criminal lawyer intermediary.] Apparently, she was not aware of the bargain struck by Robert Johnson, and she does not understand that once you have sold out in that way there is no graceful reentry. I have not watched all of the video yet. A person can only take her gobbledy-gook in increments, and I just could not work my way through the entirety this morning. However, there will be other visits to finish viewing and also to review certain segments. So, much appreciated and THANK YOU for finding that and posting it here.

    For those without the appetite for such double-talk, here are some details. [Don’t get mad MMD. I’m only the messenger.] LaViolette accuses the prosecutor of a grave disservice to the people and of the worst kind of bullying against her on the stand. (She further pads her account with a bit about two-thirds of the way through and about six minutes worth at the end of the video.) She backs up her assertions against the prosecutor extraordinaire when bringing in the names of prominent people and agencies that she relates have sprung to her defense. Whether the statements are true or not, they will get a mention in other literature as people who were fooled or thought to have been fooled by the fabled stories of Jodi Arias, because they would have allowed themselves to be fooled by Alyce Dunn LaViolette.

    What a work of art she is. She mocks studies that have shown that females [like their male counterparts] can and do commit aggressive acts of domestic violence, while clinging to her man-hating ways. She continues to dispute gender equivalence in domestic violence situations [even though the studies qualitatively refute her assertions]. She acts like there is practically nothing in the research for the LGBT community. She goes into a diatribe about not having any access to the newer social media sites, like Twitter and Facebook. She also states that she has no e-mail account. But, wonder of wonders, she found out that she was no longer wanted by the Board (of Corporate Alliance to End PARTNER Violence, acting under its Executive Director), when THEY E-MAILED HER. That’s right, without clarification to her original statement, she acknowledged she had been notified of her removal by a means to which she had originally disputed access. Go figure!!!

    Another of her stories is that of the type of person she is when involved in her services. She describes herself as a hands-on person and speaks of how she has disallowed research and not let research get in her way of a hands-on approach. Of course, there is reality. She even admitted that research establishes policy and that it is dangerous to not read [review and correlate] the research — but does she have an inkling of what that means? Early-on, she had to admit that (as a hands-on advocate) she had NOT read the [Sheppard & Sheppard 1980s] research and carried a misperception of an event, because she had merely looked at it and interpreted it in her own way into her own line of thinking. This got a hearty laugh from her audience in appreciation [of her self-deprecating humor] — an audience with a membership she knew by name. Yes, she would call on them by name in the so-called open discussion forum that was occurring, in what appeared to be a tight-knit group that had been benefited by her generosity (according to her friend and the leader of the pack who openly thanked her for donating her Honorarium to them). She also recognized these people as those who had surrounded and supported her for years, and, when speaking of the research that had never been reviewed, had swept her arm around the room to say that [along with her] none of them had read the research about the arrests on domestic violence.

    LaViolette also took the time to explain the manner used to fool people into thinking there is more of an audience with a certain viewpoint. First, she had admitted she LIKED to call television stations and use different accents so that they would be lead to believe that they were getting calls from different people (which she thought worked really well). She confessed that she also used her little trick of deceit to call the White House hotline and advised the audience members to feel free to use her artifice. She spoke about the first production [in 1984], that was a documentary that showed an Emmy award-winning segment on domestic violence. At that time, she and her five cohorts decided to flood the broadcast station with calls by disguising their voices. They called over-and-over, as various people, using accents and dissimilar inflections to disguise who they were, in order that their calls would be [inaccurately & fraudulently] counted as any added number of all of these other people who supposedly had agreed with LaViolette. She enjoyed the fact that she spoke to her producer with a false identity, and she duped her producer into believing she was someone else responding to the documentary. She told her audience that it was not hard to do, and they could also fool the media with that much-practiced tactic. That was the start of her illustrious career. Now, why would that one not be hard to believe? After all, it came right out of the horse’s mouth, “so to speak” [one of Arias’ favorite sayings].

    This research into the Arias and exactly what it is she represents is mind-boggling. In order to properly document exactly what it is I am trying to prove, I have to do things that are unnatural, like listening to the utter nonsense spewed by persons like LaViolette or go over every minute detail of those You Tube videos. In doing that, it is easy to see that LaViolette is no different than any one of the other expert witnesses called by the defense team for Arias. Hopefully, that matter can be addressed once it is thoroughly exposed. Until then, I can’t help but wonder at the allowance of the practiced duplicity and the amount of fraud perpetrated upon the Court. With forty-four hours of face time and other billable hours under her belt, LaViolette was able to testify [under Oath] about the character of a person as complicated as an Arias, that has such evil tendencies, she could be deadly frightening to the populace if she were not locked up. Yet, those You Tube videos of Arias, including the police interviews, account for less than the total amount of time LaViolette asserted she devoted to the Arias — and those contradict that which the expert testified to as the truth of the matter in the case the State of Arizona successfully prosecuted against Jodi Ann Arias.

    • jad
      10/22/2013 at 2:52 am

      So many thoughts go through the mind when examining all the details of this case. The character of Charles Manson comes to mind (especially since the Jury Foreman [a much older man that seemed to find a way to relate to the much younger female with enhanced breasts who spoke freely of every sort of sex act] seemed to think the murdering, friendless, social-pariah Jodi Arias was a more gentle, compassionate, yet convivial, accepted type with more talent when he compared her to this particular conniver that hung around rock stars that voluntarily supported his lifestyle as well that of his crew and who never actually committed a murder but could command any one of his devoted followers to do the deed). This anti-social personality had ordered a whole houseful of young vibrant individuals butchered because he was so full of self-love and his own righteousness that it had removed any space to hold empathy, compassion, or love for any other human being. Additionally, it seems he had been insulted because his art-filled body of work [his songs, his guitar playing, and the way he, himself, sang his songs when he played his guitar — past the Crayola stage] was not only NOT found acceptable, but had been rejected. He had figured himself to be very talented. Well, this artful eccentric was not to be denied the recognition of his talent, and those he could program did his bidding, in order that his belief in his super-sized talent be spread far-and-wide. Then, there’s the Ted Bundy personality that was so extreme in the excesses of his sexual habits and his feelings for himself above all others that he kept the corpses of his victims around to pleasure himself, as though he had more of the right to control than they did, whether they were dead or alive. The BTK pervert is another smug, self-righteous zealot with certain odd characteristics of an Arias. She is such an odd, evil duck [no offense to the ducks, DP].

      That is what makes a creature like LaViolette so loathsome. These types, that she defends for a big payout, are sometimes given another try at the brass ring, through testimony by any number of her ilk. There are a vast number of pedophiles, rapists, and murderers on the loose because of expert witness testimony (brought about by the activity of criminal lawyers, with no understanding of the actual relevancy of the existent Golden Rule or of a sworn-to obligation of a Professional Code of Conduct — of which they would no longer know what a soul is, since they had sold theirs so long ago — in order to put pennies in their kettle).

      One can’t help but think that there would still be a beautiful person walking amongst us, if the chameleon-like character, Charles Edgar Rathbun, would have been convicted for his first rape and not practiced his art along the way to end up in California to bind, sodomize, and murder his innocent victim (who he and his criminal lawyers later tried to character assassinate with dummied-up photographic images). One can only wonder why the justice system would permit such character assassination, that is always accompanied by the sworn statements of [a person identified as] an expert witness, or two of these so-called expert witnesses, or three with claims to expertise in their chosen field — that sell their wares to the highest bidder. The unbelievable testimony of the defendant, in the case prosecuted against Robert Alan Durst, would be bolstered by the declarations made by his expert witnesses, that worked together to uphold his crazed [Jodi Arias-like] pleading of self-defense in the mutilation/murder of his neighbor.

      Besides a clearly guilty defendant taking the stand to claim self-defense when murdering his victim in a patently sadistic fashion, the glaring similarity of the Durst case to the Arias case was in the experts for the defense and the defendant’s portrayal of the [deceased] victim as something that was made to look like he was less than pond scum. Even so, the victim in the Durst case fared better because his reputation and good name [although destroyed] were not painted over with such wide brush strokes in such a sickening, slapdash manner as used against the victim in the Arias case, who was portrayed as a deadbeat, womanizing philanderer [with no care as to whether his sex partner was married, or single, or in a relationship with a friend or business Associate], who might have enjoyed trysts with men, who definitely liked to look at pictures of naked six-year old boys and had admitted to his pedophilia for that particular target, and talked about orgasms of twelve year old girls and the sado-masochistic acts of binding his adult, female partner to a tree, while threatening and hitting his self-professed girlfriend [Arias] so that she would give him her hard earned money and other favors. [Geez, what a pimp daddy!!] Oh yeah, in the Arias case, when the victim wasn’t violating his Mormon faith in hypocritical ways, like when he caroused around to cheat with other partners [of whatever gender or age], the victim didn’t care if he raped a sleeping woman by somehow penetrating her vagina [meat flaps], or if he continually made demands for anal sex, or if he put his self-proclaimed girlfriend in positions where he could ejaculate all over her face, her back, and any and everywhere he wanted to shoot a load, or if he sexually degraded this same person [that he had allegedly raped by inserting into what has been pictured and stated to have been a workable vagina] in whatever way he felt like putting her down, while also using his cell phone to send off explicit messages and to demand naked pictures be sent to him, and to send out photos of an erect penis [although the man’s hand stroking the protuberant image of a penis was not his].

      The life of the victim of a brutal murder would be discussed by expert witnesses in specialized, licensed fields even though they had never met the victim, which they could do, because an Oath had been taken to tell the truth. However, certain expert witnesses for the defense in the Jodi Arias case, like the California social worker Alyce LaVioletette and [the unaffiliated] Dr. Richard Samuels, swore the truth to be that THE DEAD VICTIM THEY NEVER MET BUT that THEY SWORE THEY KNEW IN SOME COURT-ACCEPTED MANNER humiliated his partner by, among other degrading acts, telling her how horny he was and calling her names [like slut, whore, liar, psycho, and sociopath] and harassing her in his text messages and e-mails [accusing her of evilness, having a sick agenda, being sick and betraying him, doing all sorts of crazy things, and dramatizing everything] and intimidating her into phone sex while trying to control her and take advantage of [the defendant they described as] a poor defenseless woman, that the victim would also abuse in repeated acts of domestic violence.

      The manner that the victim was portrayed was one that was described by Alyce LaViolette to have been her truth, her righteous interpretation. However, the statements of the Trial testimony of Arias clearly contradict the belief held by LaViolette, which can also be backed up by Arias’ Journals and the evidence readily available to LaViolette [that would overcome any excuse, as the one she made to her group, that she did not watch any of the Trial testimony and would not have been privy to any of those statements]. Alyce LaViolette backed up the portrayal recited by Dr. Samuels, and he vouched for the veracity of Alyce LaViolette (although this Arizona doctor could not elevate her station above that of a social worker). LaViolette testified as an expert witness that was a social worker (which seems to be an underrepresented profession in the State of Arizona, since the Court’s Registry must not have provided any names for such a profession that had to be found in another State). These expert witnesses should have realized that to knowingly portray the victim, Travis Alexander, in such a false light would place these experts in the same position as the person they would be vouching for. The portrayal of the victim could not have been achieved without the likes of LaViolette, so there are no tears shed for the path she chose to walk — that she so ignorantly points out in the video.

      • 10/22/2013 at 8:40 am

        Thanks Jad for doing this and sparing those of us who chose not to subject ourselves to the torture of listening, one more time, to this charlatan.

      • dpforjodi
        10/22/2013 at 10:16 am

        WOW, such a good read and no offence taken by the duck comment. I must confess I did borrow Malcolm MacDowell’s eye opening surgical clamps from Clockwork Orange.

    • 10/22/2013 at 8:15 am

      So, ALV is prone to being disingenuous, who knew?

      • dpforjodi
        10/22/2013 at 10:17 am

        hey beans, is the trial on yet?

      • 10/22/2013 at 10:22 am

        In a few minutes I think. Nice clockwork orange reference.

    • MMD
      10/22/2013 at 10:24 am

      JAD – now why would I ever get mad at the messenger. I always so enjoy your posts. Thank you so much for the summary of the video. Being a victim of abuse many years ago, I simply cannot stand to listen to her voice or BS.

      It simply infuriates me the amount of damage that she and her ilk continue to do to men, women and children who have and are suffering from abuse. The amount of harm for generations to come is incalculable.

      • dpforjodi
        10/22/2013 at 10:30 am

        you are so right, MMD

    • MMD
      10/22/2013 at 10:32 am

      It also just reinforces my feeling about defense attorneys in general who continue to employ these people, knowing full well what they are, as they trash the victim.

      • 10/22/2013 at 10:36 am


  22. MMD
    10/22/2013 at 10:34 am

    Morning Mrs. DP, Beans *************waves*********** Donchais I know that you will have been up for ages getting ready for today’s testimony.xoxo

    • 10/22/2013 at 10:36 am

      Morning Toots, here we go – sidebar.

  23. dpforjodi
    10/22/2013 at 10:37 am

    Miss Piggy or as her friends call her Sueeeeeeeeee, has her hair free flowing today,

    • Marilyn N
      10/22/2013 at 10:45 am

      Better for hiding her secrets to her sham of a defendant.

      • dpforjodi
        10/22/2013 at 11:04 am

        too true

  24. MMD
    10/22/2013 at 10:37 am

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    We have improved the clarity in the #MartinMacNeill live stream. Much clearer picture quality than before.

    I truly don’t care about clarity as much as volume. I’d also like to see some passion and outrage for the victim from the prosecution!!!!

    • 10/22/2013 at 10:42 am

      I’m not so concerned about the passion and outrage, I think they’re going to bury Dr. Demento under a mountain of circumstantial evidence.

      • dpforjodi
        10/22/2013 at 11:11 am

        Is that Dr Demento or Mr Demento. If he is a convicted felon can he actually call himself a Dr?

      • 10/22/2013 at 11:17 am

        Don’t think the felony has anything to do with it but the fraudulent way the degree was obtained, but I’m not certain. Isn’t the guy in the Michael Jackson case still called ‘doctor’?

  25. 10/22/2013 at 10:39 am

    I gotta say, ‘Bob’ reminds me of Donkey from Shrek with that big toothy phony smile.

    • 10/22/2013 at 4:27 pm

      Hey Beans I was wracking my brain trying to put a name to what he reminded me of and you have hit the nail in the head, Donkey exactly!!

  26. Marilyn N
    10/22/2013 at 10:42 am

    Good morning everyone!! Sunny and 32 degrees here and ready for trial!!

    • 10/22/2013 at 10:44 am

      Morning Marilyn, it’s a coolish, sunny, beautiful day here too.

    • MMD
      10/22/2013 at 10:44 am

      Morning Marilyn. Where are you, I can’t remember? We’re warmer here at 54 degrees but damp and cloudy on the Island.

      • Marilyn N
        10/22/2013 at 10:47 am

        Hi! I am in southeast Wisconsin about a 1-1/2 hour drive to Chicago.
        Have to add that I am originally from beautiful Seattle!

      • MMD
        10/22/2013 at 10:55 am

        Thanks, my mind went blank. It’s nice to picture the locations we’re all in.

    • dpforjodi
      10/22/2013 at 11:02 am

      Is that centigrade or fahrenheit, sorry Canadian here, eh?

  27. MMD
    10/22/2013 at 10:46 am

    I just love how all the witnesses refer to the defendant as Mr. not Dr. I truly hope it pisses off MacNeill!!!!!!

    • dpforjodi
      10/22/2013 at 11:07 am

      BIG TIME, lol

  28. Marilyn N
    10/22/2013 at 10:52 am

    Don’t give up on the unpassion sound of the pros.
    As long as we get all the facts in.
    JA was not a normal trial. Even in the Chrisman trial with Juan, that one was too slow and boring to pay attention to.

    • MMD
      10/22/2013 at 10:54 am

      I didn’t watch the Chrisman trial because it seemed too much like watching home movies, even though JM was there.

  29. MMD
    10/22/2013 at 10:57 am

    I keep expecting Bob to neigh like a horse but that would insult those beautiful animals.

  30. MMD
    10/22/2013 at 10:59 am

    I want to see these investigators Whitney and Robbins that the defense is depending on. They were prior to the case being reopened.

  31. dpforjodi
    10/22/2013 at 11:06 am

    Marilyn N :
    Hi! I am in southeast Wisconsin about a 1-1/2 hour drive to Chicago.
    Have to add that I am originally from beautiful Seattle!

    Oh WisCAWNsin

    • MMD
      10/22/2013 at 11:13 am

      That’s what I remembered as well from the JA trial. LOL

  32. MMD
    10/22/2013 at 11:44 am

    Is this a murder trial or is it a trial about who can remember what from a prelim hearing and/or first investigators? Geesh!

    • 10/22/2013 at 11:48 am

      If this is all the def. has they’re doomed.

  33. MMD
    10/22/2013 at 11:46 am

    Smiling Bob is getting frustrated because he is not getting the answers he wants.

  34. MMD
    10/22/2013 at 12:05 pm

    He was agitated and worried that they WOULD revive her!

  35. 10/22/2013 at 12:05 pm

    Some ‘doctor’ huh? Way to stay calm in a crisis.

    • MMD
      10/22/2013 at 12:12 pm

      Exactly. Has to look soooooooo distraught while he is texting Gypsy.

  36. Marilyn N
    10/22/2013 at 12:12 pm

    it is getting repetitive. Hope they get some interesting stuff in here soon!!
    Enough with the memory testing!!

    • MMD
      10/22/2013 at 12:18 pm

      That may be all they have, hopefully (i say with a gleeful look on my face)

  37. MMD
    10/22/2013 at 12:14 pm

    Smiling Bob seems to think that he can smile his way to an acquittal. Who can remember exact words and thoughts 6 years after an event? Hell, I can’t even remember earlier this morning. 🙄

    • 10/22/2013 at 12:26 pm

      I think where the def. is going is planting the idea in juror’s minds that initially nobody thought a crime had been committed then later all these witnesses were coached to subtly change their testimony to make the defendant appear guilty.

      • MMD
        10/22/2013 at 12:43 pm

        By golly, I think you could be on to something Beans 😀

    • dpforjodi
      10/22/2013 at 12:28 pm

      Could someone lace their water with some uppers. Geeez this is slow

      • MMD
        10/22/2013 at 12:43 pm

        Yes please but just the prosecution.

  38. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/22/2013 at 12:19 pm

    That defense goof looks like Howdy Doody!! (string puppet from our generation for all you younsters out there). Geeeezzzzzz…..his big mouth full of huge teeth is as annoying as Willanurmi’s bald spot!!

    • MMD
      10/22/2013 at 12:24 pm

      Hi CiCi’s CIrcle – I wondered where you ladies were???? {{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}} I still want to join your group but the commute would be a bitch 😉

    • MMD
      10/22/2013 at 12:26 pm

      This def team bugs me so much more than Wurmi and Gidget by miles!!!!!!! Miss Piggy, dontcha know, like Wurmi, represents sex offenders and all other types of scum.

    • 10/22/2013 at 12:30 pm


  39. MMD
    10/22/2013 at 12:23 pm

    Thankfully. I’m getting a headache from lack of food. Need to feed the kids and find something totally unhealthy for me.

  40. MMD
    10/22/2013 at 12:46 pm

    I want to see all the texts between Marty and Gypsy soooooo badly, especially just before, during and after the day Michelle passed. Also the ones during her funeral. Can you tell me what grieving spouse texts during this wife’s funeral????????????? 🙄

    • Marilyn N
      10/22/2013 at 1:16 pm

      Can’t wait for those texts!
      I suppose pros has to go thru every single person that was at the scene.
      Wish they’d mix it up with other, more interesting witnesses.

      • MMD
        10/22/2013 at 1:26 pm

        They’re going to bore the jury to death. I know they are me.

      • 10/22/2013 at 1:30 pm

        There’s only one Juan toots, they can’t all be like him.

      • MMD
        10/22/2013 at 1:39 pm

        I know and as it is, he is overworked. Plus they broke the mould when he was born.

  41. Marilyn N
    10/22/2013 at 1:29 pm

    Witness thought he heard “why, why” when it was actually “die, die”!!!!

    • 10/22/2013 at 1:31 pm

      Good one.

    • MMD
      10/22/2013 at 1:38 pm


    • dpforjodi
      10/22/2013 at 2:50 pm


  42. Marilyn N
    10/22/2013 at 1:51 pm

    woooo – maybe a transition going on here?

  43. Marilyn N
    10/22/2013 at 2:11 pm

    Sheeeeeeeesh – Only one more witness today!!!!!!!

  44. donchais
    10/22/2013 at 2:20 pm

    Lordy, this is like watching paint dry. ‘Bout ready to stick a pen in my eye!

    • MMD
      10/22/2013 at 3:00 pm

      Seriously, there has to be a middle ground between JM and paint drying – the monotone from everyone is putting me to sleep. Can’t they at least have an escape attempt or at a minimum, someone have a coughing fit.

      Dunno how the jury is staying awake.

  45. dpforjodi
    10/22/2013 at 2:52 pm

    maybe Juan could be cloned

    • MMD
      10/22/2013 at 2:56 pm

      as long as I get to keep the original!!! 😳

      • dpforjodi
        10/22/2013 at 3:01 pm

        for you all the time

      • MMD
        10/22/2013 at 3:04 pm


  46. Marilyn N
    10/22/2013 at 3:29 pm

    Oh sure – I’m sure her body must have been drug tolerant to 10 meds taken all at once!!!

  47. MMD
    10/22/2013 at 3:30 pm

    Michelle could have been prescribed the meds or Marty could have gotten them for her and she never took them. Can they actually prove she took those medications at those times? Do they have blood tests to back them up???????

  48. Marilyn N
    10/22/2013 at 3:31 pm

    There’s a difference between her taking them, or her being fed them.

    • MMD
      10/22/2013 at 3:57 pm

      Exactly!!!!!!!!!!! After all he depended on drs he could manipulate/control plus she may never have even known about those previous prescriptions.

  49. Marilyn N
    10/22/2013 at 3:33 pm

    See – he can talk faster!

  50. MMD
    10/22/2013 at 4:04 pm

    Truly, how many people would advertise the fact that they had a facelift??????

  51. MMD
    10/22/2013 at 4:13 pm

    I truly can’t take Miss Piggy any longer. Gonna take a nap and then will read donchais’ recap later.

    See ya all tomorrow.

    • dpforjodi
      10/22/2013 at 4:32 pm

      auch no MMD please wait out nurse combover

      • 10/22/2013 at 4:36 pm

        I’m done as well, talk to ya later DP – night all.

      • dpforjodi
        10/22/2013 at 4:43 pm


  52. dpforjodi
    10/22/2013 at 4:42 pm

    bye bye chat later beans

  53. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/22/2013 at 4:57 pm

    Ha ha ha….even WAT is bored! “More than 5 words per minute”…..ha ha ha….we’re not the only ones who have noticed this trial is in slow motion!

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial
    It’s a pleasure listening to the judge int he #SeanTaylor trial. Nice to hear more than 5 words per min and a bit o emphasis and fluctuation

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/22/2013 at 4:58 pm

      Different trial he’s quoting but making reference to how slow this trial is going in comparison!

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