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Martin MacNeill Murder Trial – Day 6

10/25/2013

Yesterday’s treatment of Rachel MacNeill surely left a bad taste in my mouth.  I surprised she survived, but she did get it through it.  Gustin was intentionally trying to push her buttons and I’m sure the jury saw that.

Judge Pullan on the bench at 8:40 MT.

After reviewing law, he has decided Ada may testify limited to the Children’s Justice Center interview.

Jury brought in at 9:14 MT.

State calls Dr. Gary Dawson.  Toxicologist/pharmacologist.

He goes over his CV.  And, is it lengthy!

Pros is spending way too much time going over science and putting everybody to sleep.  The idea is to get to Michele’s tox report and we’re nowhere close to getting there.

Thank God the Judge calls a break!

Finally!!!

He reviewed Michele’s toxicology report and the autopsy report.

He lists the drugs found in Michele blood.

Pretty much Dawson says many of the drugs were CNS (central nervous system) depressants and sedating.

Kinda shows MacNeill knew exactly what he was doing when he did his drug shopping!

Was she drug naive or experienced?  Naive.

They go over a ton of scripts over the years and I have to question, 1 who wrote them and 2. who was taking all of them?  Michele was drug sensitive and didn’t take meds.  Was MacNeill taking them?

Lunch called.

Way too much science and medical info for me to keep up with, lol!

Cross…

Dawson was interested in finding out why and how there was a reval in the autopsy report.

Lord, def is cherry picking, nit-picking on prior statements again.  This is their whole tactic!  Spencer going line-by-line again through earlier testimony.

Spencer is going to the drugs had nothing to do with Michele’s death had nothing to due with the drugs, but a heart condition, myocarditis.

I’m feeling all this doesn’t prove or disprove anything and has been a waste of time except that she must have been at a pretty low state of consciousness when he drowned her.

Redirect is rehabilitating I think.

Jury questions…

Blood sample was taken 24 hours after the death of Michele, is that typical?  It depends, 24 hours isn’t a long time.

State calls Gypsy Willis.  The mistress.

She has also gone by Jillian MacNeill.

She has been convicted prior.

She met MacNeill on line.  She had several online names.

She developed a relationship with MacNeill.

The sexual relationship was casual. MacNeill had a duplex that she moved into and he gave her a credit card to use and was helping her with schooling costs.

Cell phone records are brought out.  They are covering calls to her cell from MacNeill.

Just prior to Michelle’s death the calls increase.

On the day Michele died, MacNeil, called her the evening the of the death.

The text messaging was prolific leading up to and after Michele’s death.

April 14 there were about 22 texts…the day of Michele’s funeral!

She attended the funeral and offered condolences and said she was there if he needed her.

Judge calls it a day.  Back Tuesday.

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  1. MMD
    10/25/2013 at 5:30 pm

    Thanks again donchais for all you do. Luv ya xoxo. It was pretty boring with on the toxicology but we got lucky with finally seeing Gypsy, that cocky little bitch who is so proud of herself. She MUST tell the whole truth for her plea agreement so none of this I can’t recall or it’s been so long ago. Yeah, tell it to someone who’ll believe you.

    I’m just glad that the jury went home with her being the last person on the stand. Could you believe her hanging around waiting to get a word to or a look at MM!!!!!!!!!!!!! I so hope she blows her plea agreement all to hell. She’s never get away with some of those answers with JM.

    I just hope that what was said in the text comes out in court because that is what is going to sink him in my opinion.

    • ByeByeJA
      10/25/2013 at 7:10 pm

      Anyone know what exactly her “deal” was with the State? Seems to me that she could have been an accessory to Michele’s murder…

    • essem58
      10/25/2013 at 8:17 pm

      Yes and sink her as an accessory before or after, she bloody knew something wasn’t right. If it was legit any normal person would not be texting/communicating with someone whose wife suddenly died immediately after it happened. You would have to expect some time out from a “casual relationship” grrrr

  2. cathyn518
    10/25/2013 at 6:57 pm

    Gypsy that lying liar, seemed to have free reign today. Is the prosecutor really going to let her testimony go without confrontation? She is really nauseating to watch. She actually referred to the dress she wore to temple as “appropriate” the day she met Rachael! How can anything be called appropriate when she is being introduced to her married lover’s daughter, especially when that lover murdered his wife/daughter’s mother?

  3. 10/25/2013 at 7:08 pm

    Guess those 15 texts the day of the funeral, were all about what Mr. Macneill wanted for dinner that night…one item at a time.

  4. ByeByeJA
    10/25/2013 at 7:08 pm

    OT — if anyone is interested in reading the 12 page handwritten motion from Wobo to fire Nurmi, it’s on Wild About Trial’s website — I can’t seem to get it to copy and paste here. It appears to be groundwork for a mistrial to me….not that she’ll accomplish that. She’s just one crazy b***h!!

    • MMD
      10/25/2013 at 7:36 pm

      Here’s the link – Essem posted it 2 days ago.

      http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/jodi-arias-nurmi-motion.pdf

      • essem58
        10/25/2013 at 7:38 pm

        🙂 Thanks for the cred MMD

      • ByeByeJA
        10/25/2013 at 7:51 pm

        Ooops….guess I’m just a tad behind…..

    • GN5020
      10/26/2013 at 7:00 am

      She is one entitled piece of work! I never liked Nurmi but it makes me smile to see that behind the scenes, he was as sick of her as we all were — with cause. However, I think her written rant shows that she is the problem, not him. BTW – did it bother anyone else that she constantly hyphenated her handwritten words at the end of sentences, as if it was a typed document? Crazy!

      • MMD
        10/27/2013 at 5:24 am

        She’s never the problem – it’s always someone else’s fault doncha know! 🙄

  5. essem58
    10/25/2013 at 7:41 pm

    Warning Will Robinson .. I’m heading over to JII site to see what the believers are saying about the letter

  6. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/25/2013 at 7:50 pm

    We read through the document and we came to the concensus that 1) She’s FOS! 2) It’s a set-up for her to file her appeal on for ineffective representation and 3) She’s FOS!! 4) Bottom line….she’s going to ask for a new trial in her appeal and 5) SHE’S FOS!!!

    • ByeByeJA
      10/25/2013 at 7:53 pm

      6) SHE’S BSC….that would be bat shit crazy!!

    • dpforjodi
      10/25/2013 at 8:01 pm

      lol
      the hodi chronicals
      hodi’s stubby poison pencil letter
      and YES she is FOS

  7. essem58
    10/25/2013 at 8:07 pm

    Safely back out of danger .. They’ve all turned on Nurmi, Jennifer is their shining light. It’s Nurmi’s fault she was found guilty with cruelty as he let prosecution get away with things. Sorry, was Jennifer not sitting there also jumping up and down like jack in a box objecting too? Clearly as Nurmi doesn’t jump he was ineffective. Oh and the 9/10 I don’t like her smile was an awkward moment of embarrassment.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/25/2013 at 8:44 pm

      She certainly wasn’t bothered with the comment when she did her “post conviction” interview when she was in such a hurry to get in front of a camera! As a matter of fact she smiled about it with the reporter who intereviewed her! I’m sure he told her he was going to say something to that effect in his closing and how she should act in response to the comment. Their whole show was scripted!! Now she’s using it as a tool to set up her appeal. They’re not kidding anyone! What a bunch of phonies!

  8. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/25/2013 at 8:55 pm

    How come in the JA circus trial they had copies of the text messages but in this trial all the Prosecutor is referring to are the phone statements that just shows when the calls were made and to what phone number??? Where’s the meat of those messages? What do they say? WTH???? They could be some clues

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/25/2013 at 8:57 pm

      ohhhh….old hen posted before we were done! We were saying: There could be some clues that they conspired or he planned his wife’s death!

      • essem58
        10/25/2013 at 9:43 pm

        Yes they must be able to get them. If they could get the JA ones from 2004 they must be able to recover from 2007 technology hasn’t gone backwards. State’s witness list has “Custodian/s of records for phone company/ies name/s presently unknown” so they’ve got someone coming !!!

    • dpforjodi
      10/26/2013 at 7:39 am

      bang on as usual girls!!!!!!!!
      9 days out of 10…..the poison stubby pencil letter to the judge all scripted for her inaffective assistance of counsel claim.
      boo hoo they won’t come and sing kumbaya with me
      they went of on a trip to see Billy Barty and didn’t take me, boo hoo.
      Sorry, Bud Bartson, Billy died in 2000.
      Geez Hodi girl when is someone going to give you that injection.
      And as far as Gypsy the Queef of Sheba, WELL!!!!!!!
      darn typos that was suppose to be an N, NOT.
      MMD do not google that. I may have sunk to a new low!
      Ducks got there food, YAY

      • dpforjodi
        10/26/2013 at 8:43 am

        their

    • 11/03/2013 at 1:40 am

      Different companies keep text messages anywhere from a few days up to a year, depending on the company. Hodi was arrested pretty soon after the murder and her text messages were still available to be retrieved. Scumbag MacNeill wasn’t arrested for years. The murder was in 2007; he was arrested in 2012. Those messages were no longer available by the time he investigated and arrested. They can’t be retrieved; they’re gone. It’s a shame, too, because I’d sure like to see what they said.

  9. Marilyn N
    10/25/2013 at 9:55 pm

    I am thinking both Martin and Gypsy are sociopaths, with no feeling or conscience.
    Two very very sick people. Please jurors, see thru these evil people!
    I have faith that they will.

    • dpforjodi
      10/26/2013 at 11:19 am

      the devilmint twins

  10. cathyn518
    10/25/2013 at 10:50 pm

    If “the call for justice” is answered here and the evil Doc is found guilty, is this a death penalty state? Not that I think such an outcome would be possible with this wishy-washy prosecution

    • MMD
      10/27/2013 at 5:23 am

      Yes it is.

  11. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/25/2013 at 10:59 pm

    Is she serious??!! A phone interview!! Found on Twitter!!

    Justice4Travis ‏@Justice4TravisA 2h @RealSheriffJoe – #JodiArias is planning a phone interview on Sunday. I hope you intervene asap!

  12. dpforjodi
    10/26/2013 at 7:53 am

    Madame Defarge here does anyone want to share some knitting patterns with me?
    Hang em all, hang em all high.

  13. 10/26/2013 at 8:45 am

    Beautiful picture of them. They look refreshed and so ready for the next round. Love this family 🙂

    Travis’ siblings, Tanisha and Steven, outside court after the #JodiArias settlement conference, today. #nodeal 10/24/13

    Image: Courtesy of Barb McNally, with thanks

    • 10/26/2013 at 8:54 am

      Great pic – what a terrific way to start the day – thanks Jessi

      • dpforjodi
        10/26/2013 at 9:05 am

        hi beans ready for lunch today?

    • dpforjodi
      10/26/2013 at 9:07 am

      yes, what a beautiful picture. 2 thumbs down, love it!!!!!!!

      • 10/26/2013 at 9:17 am

        Sure, what are we having?

      • dpforjodi
        10/26/2013 at 9:41 am

        spagetti and meat sauce from scratch, no pork so no meatballs and bread machine french with garlic

      • nyccowgirl
        10/26/2013 at 2:25 pm

        down or up?

    • MMD
      10/27/2013 at 5:16 am

      Great picture Jessi! Thanks for posting it. Love this family.

  14. 10/26/2013 at 9:19 am

    dp – You are cracking me up in the chat room (MM) – way to go!

    As far as this tramp (Gypsy) – the Pros better get some fire and passion or she will run the show on Tuesday. I would have liked the Pro, on the left of the table, to have done the Q’s.

    Miss Piggy was so disgusting with Rachel. Still amazes me how they could get her mental issues into court, but matters about MM couldn’t come in. I do think this Judge is holding his own and being fair, so far. Glad he allowed at least part of Aida’s testimony – that will impact the jury. It must have a tough decision for him.

    Sorry, if I keep complaining about the attorneys, but the lack of compassion and seeming unprepared is so visible. But, who am I to comment on such a difficult job – I did. JM get over there and give them some lessons. I don’t think we’ll ever see another Juan. He’s got some interesting trials coming up in the spring – huge schedule to juggle. I think the one with NG and JVM death threat case is on his docket – look forward to seeing if they will be televised.

    As usual, I must thank Donchais – you are so appreciated by us all!

    OK, enough rambling, will catch the updates. Any typos – ignore.

    • 10/26/2013 at 9:26 am

      While it is frustrating to see Gypsy being coy and vague we must keep in mind that she is the prosecutors’ witness, they can’t be seen as attacking her by the jury.

      • dpforjodi
        10/26/2013 at 9:38 am

        sure killjoy, I don’t heart that skeevy biatch.

    • dpforjodi
      10/26/2013 at 10:06 am

      thanks Jessi

    • dpforjodi
      10/26/2013 at 4:12 pm

      hey complain all you want about those attorneys, you go girl!!!!!!

  15. dpforjodi
    10/26/2013 at 10:08 am

    Note to Gypsy cover the girls you are in a court of LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 10/26/2013 at 10:17 am

      Hah, was thinking the same thing.

      • dpforjodi
        10/26/2013 at 10:47 am

        great minds you know

    • Marilyn N
      10/26/2013 at 8:26 pm

      I think the Gyp thought she was on a Hollywood audition!

      • dpforjodi
        10/26/2013 at 8:48 pm

        yes, I think so …..Fredericks of Hollywood.

      • dpforjodi
        10/26/2013 at 8:56 pm

        yes, a fredericks of hollywood audition. What a trollop

      • MMD
        10/27/2013 at 5:18 am

        Great description Mrs. DP. Haven’t heard the word “trollop” in years! 😆

  16. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/26/2013 at 2:09 pm

    Found these comments in the link provided above for the No Deal Picture of Steven and Tanisha. Interesting! :

    Ashly McQueen 1) my ex husband Carson McWilliams performs the executions in Arizona for those on death row there. He has a special lethal injection put aside for Arias. If you are not aware this cocktail of drugs that ends a person’s life is hard to come by! He has performed 2 executions in Arizona this month. The day JA is strapped to that stretcher and he asks her if she has any last words I will be so happy!

    Ashly McQueen 2) I’m told JA being at the Maricopa jail for over 5 years she has found ways to manipulate certain people. BIG SURPRISE! My ex Carson McWilliams [Arizona Prison Director]has told me that the officials have spoken to Sheriff Joe about this crap that JA keeps pulling like the interviews, selling of her art, tweeting, etc. has got to STOP! You have to keep in mind this killer is only in jail where there are more privileges and she’s so calculated and sinister of course she will figure out how to get what she wants. The quicker the state can decide on life or death the sooner we can shut her up! Once she goes to Perryville the women’s prison and she knows her life is over. One way or another! It won’t be anything at all like the cushy life she has created at the jail! Her last pit stop on her trip to hell! to give you all a little bit of information about death row in Arizona. Yes, there are 2 women on death row there now. BTW Juan put one of them there . They’re both at the Perryville women’s prison. A woman hasn’t been executed there. The death penaltyin Arizona was reinstated in 1991. Since then there has been over 30 executions. Almost all of them performed by my ex husband Carson McWilliams. He’s now AZ Director. Prior to his promotion he was Warden of the prison facility in Florence,Az. He still performs the state executions because he has developed such a high standard for the procedure to ensure every step is performed down to a T.Can’t take a chance of any errors. He has become an expert witness on the matter of executing a person. The inmates can choose between lethal injection or gas. It’s pretty interesting in a sick way the prep work the 24 hours prior to execution. Everything is down to exact clock work. Amazing how much these killers throw around “their rights”! Depending on their appeals will determine how long they sit on death row waiting to be put down. One prisoner execututed this month requested a meatball sandwich for his last meal from Subway. If you’re curious you can go to the Arizona Correctional Department and it will show you all the inmates on death row and the ones executed and believe it or not will tell you what their last meal was as well as their horrific crime that brought them to this point. Lastly I’m so amazed by the Alexander family and their determination,fortitude and love for Travis. No one believes him a monster or abuser! Travis was a beautiful soul.He unfortunately got involved with a twisted,evil and narcissitic individual. Travis is an heavenly angel! To the Alexander family we are here for you. We will see this through with you in hopes JA ends up on death row! Also hope to see a different judge and Juan Martinez stays focused! He’s going to be more effective if he can stay calm. Just know even if JA gets life which I cannot even fathom her life is going to be horrible! It isn’t uncommon for inmates to commit suicide especially the ones on death row. So if anything this would help JA accomplish the very thing she has threatened to do to herself in the past this would be the thing. No more interviews, tweeting, selling your art and believing you’re a so-called celebrity. Which is how she sees herself. No more attention Arias! At least not the kind that feeds your sick ego. Whether life in prison or death! She will not be able to deal with either!3 hours ago..

    • nyccowgirl
      10/26/2013 at 2:32 pm

      good find ladies. you’re becoming such the web sleuths! 😉

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        10/26/2013 at 2:51 pm

        Wish we could validate your thoughts, but we still wind up on sites where we don’t belong and have no idea how we got there! We use the links you all provide here because we feel they’re safer than us going out there on our own. You should see some of the stuff that’s in our face just by putting in a search word!! Just to give you an idea….one of the ol gals was needing a new mattress set so we put in mattresses in the search line and OMG!!!….you should have seen what came up in the side panels of the window we were looking at!! How embarassing!! One of our grandkids walked in and said, “Gramma…..what are you looking at!!?? We just told her, “Get us off this page!!” Yikes!!

      • MMD
        10/27/2013 at 5:20 am

        I’m with ncycowgirl. You may end up on places that you don’t want to but you ALSO manage to come up with some terrific gems that none of us find so kudos to you ladies!!!

      • cathyn518
        10/27/2013 at 9:03 am

        Ci Ci,
        Your mattress search anecdote gave me a laugh. I had the same thing happen when searching”American Girl” with my then 10 year old daughter. We were looking for clothes for her American Girl doll but most of the images that popped up had no clothes on!

  17. dpforjodi
    10/26/2013 at 3:34 pm

    nyccowgirl :
    down or up?

    two thumbs up for Tanisha and Steven’s two thumbs down!!!!!

  18. dpforjodi
    10/26/2013 at 3:46 pm

    hodi gets no deal, YAY
    not to be outdone by CCC here are 2 interesting links
    http://martinmacneill.info/?tag=gypsy-willis
    and
    http://www.michelemacneill.com
    hope they work neighbourhood kid is out at sea cadets

    • 10/27/2013 at 3:40 am

      I am a little confused…I thought Gypsy was wearing a green outfit on Friday???

      • dpforjodi
        10/27/2013 at 7:45 am

        yes it was a virulent green ( Definitly her colour) jacket on the big screen but on my laptop it was a washed out beigey colour. Looked likke it had been washed many times in the dark load without a colour catcher cloth. Suffice to say she could no longer wear Michele’s jacket cause it didn’t fit.

  19. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/26/2013 at 4:26 pm

    ByeByeJA :Anyone know what exactly her “deal” was with the State? Seems to me that she could have been an accessory to Michele’s murder…

    Quote from Utah Valley Crime Watch site article:

    Willis started her testimony by saying that she had agreed to testify based on a plea deal given to her by the State. Court records indicate that Willis pleaded guilty to identity fraud, two counts of false or inconsistent material statements, all second-degree felonies and wrongful lien, a third-degree felony in March 2011. Prosecuting attorney Chad Grunander told reporters outside the courtroom that in exchange for her testimony Willis didn’t serve any prison time but was put on probation instead.

    • nyccowgirl
      10/26/2013 at 4:57 pm

      I’m hoping it’s a double whammy – she’s a prosecution witness. They are going slow, hoping to catch her in a lie (perhaps with help from defense) so that they can get her behind bars as deal would be off, possibly getting some truths from her but showing that she would lie for him. Or perhaps I’m trying to rationalize why this prosecution team sucks so bad so far. I know there is only one JM, but come on, aren’t you at least trying to win the case?

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        10/26/2013 at 8:54 pm

        She already started out from the git go down playing their relationship until the Pros gave her an email to read that she had written to a friend of hers. It was as if the Pros was reminding her of her deal to tell the truth or her deal is down the toilet. We hope those emails and text messages they have yet to produce will show that she had full knowledge of what he was up to. If so, then hopefully they’ll charge her with conspiracy to murder after he’s convicted since her deal has nothing to do with murder. We hope what goes around comes around and quick!! It really pissed us off when we saw that picture of her wearing Michele’s blazer!! What a bitch!! Now there’s someone with no morals or a conscience!!

  20. essem58
    10/26/2013 at 10:12 pm

    Link to site created by Linda Cluff, Michele’s sister with some interesting history and background. http://martinmacneill.info/?cat=1

  21. Marilyn N
    10/26/2013 at 11:16 pm

    Gypsy’s parents – abcnews.go.com/2020/video/who-is-gypsy-willis-13000324

  22. Marilyn N
    10/26/2013 at 11:17 pm

    Try again:
    Who Is Gypsy Willis? | Video – ABC News
    abcnews.go.com/2020/video/who-is-gypsy-willis-13000324
    Feb 25, 2011 – Gypsy Willis’ family talks about their daughter’s disturbing transformation. … Gypsy Willis’ family talks about their da

  23. Marilyn N
    10/26/2013 at 11:21 pm
    • dpforjodi
      10/27/2013 at 8:00 am

      Thankyou Marilyn. For a nominal fee I can send the neighbourhood kid out on a kayak and with a good head wind he’ll be out to you by early next week.
      Also, I am branching out in my papermache endeavors. Hodi pinatas on sale NOW. Coming soon Gypsy and Martin MacNeill pinatas. Order Now to avoid delay

      • essem58
        10/27/2013 at 8:37 am

        I’ll take one of each please. Great idea 😉

      • dpforjodi
        10/27/2013 at 8:49 am

        shipping them off now

      • Marilyn N
        10/27/2013 at 10:52 am

        That would be great, but I would prefer their real heads – haha.
        I wonder if there is a Hodi Haloween mask this year. That would be truly s c a r y !!

      • dpforjodi
        10/27/2013 at 2:19 pm

        lol lol
        a hodi halloween mask, love it. That would truly be scary.

  24. MMD
    10/27/2013 at 5:25 am

    Wow, everyone has been really busy here since I left on Friday! 😯

  25. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/27/2013 at 12:09 pm

    Marilyn N :One more time – (sorry)http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/who-is-gypsy-willis-13000324

    WOW!! Did JA clone herself!! Where are these people being bred??? This woman assaulted her mother, killed animals, was into witchcraft, golddigger, and capable of hurting someone to get what she wanted!!! WOW WOW WOW!!! Scary and Evil!!

    Thanks for sharing! We watched all the videos enclosed in the link and what a scary story!

  26. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/27/2013 at 7:43 pm

    More interesting reading re JA’s petition to the court to have Nurm the Wurm removed (she’s such a whack job!!).
    **************************************************************************
    Arcticle from Dr. Randle:

    Jodi Arias Petitions Superior Court of Arizona to Fire Kirk Nurmi
    Posted on October 27, 2013 by Dr KR —

    Recently, Jodi Arias wrote and filed a motion to the Superior Court of the state of Arizona. In this document, Jodi Arias asks the judge to remove Kirk Nurmi as her primary attorney and replace him with another unspecified attorney.

    The basis of her argument is that Kirk has not done his job. According to her, he has instructed his office secretary not to take messages from Jodi and should she attempt to leave a message, the secretary should hang up on Jodi. She also mentions that she hasn’t seen him since the trial ended in May. Clearly Jodi is not happy with Kirk Nurmi. She is however happy with Jennifer Willmott.

    In her handwritten motion to the Superior Court, Jodi mentions a number of failures on the part of Kirk Nurmi. She says that he did not pursue evidence that would have found her not guilty. She mentions a number of other things that she believes Kirk did not do properly and would have resulted in a better verdict for her.

    She also clearly points out that though Kirk attempted to see her at the prison, on two separate occasions, she refused his visits. Obviously, she is not satisfied with Kirk Nurmi. It is important to point out that this is the second attempt by Jodi Arias to have Kirk Nurmi removed as her attorney. The first attempt was denied by the state of Arizona.

    She also mentions that through the course of the trial, she had disagreed with strategies and legal maneuvers on the part of Kirk Nurmi and that Kirk would respond to her by saying in essence that he did not have the time to explain to her everything that he had learned in law school.

    She also claims that under the law she deserves an attorney that “advocates” for her. She states that Kirk Nurmi is not her advocate.

    I watched every minute of her trial and came away with the clear impression that Kirk Nurmi was very much her advocate. When Kirk Nurmi took her case he was a public defender. I don’t think that either Jennifer Willmott or Kirk Nurmi would disagree with the statement that, at this point in their careers, they are not the best attorneys in America. They are both relatively young. They are both relatively low-profile attorneys, local attorneys without a national presence, until this trial. I think they would also both agree that if Jodi Arias had $5 million in the bank, she could have hired better attorneys. If Jennifer Willmott or Kirk Nurmi had $5 million in the bank and one of them were charged with murder, probably neither one would pick the other to represent them.

    This is not a knock on Jennifer or Kirk. They are both good local attorneys but there are better criminal defense attorneys. To complicate things, they were given a case where their defendant had already admitted to committing the charged, very brutal murder. They were given a defendant who had already lied, over and over again, to the police and her then attorneys and to the national media and thus the American public. Kirk and Jennifer had only one defense strategy, had only one way to try and save the life of their client. All they could do is prove or try to prove that Jodi Arias killed Travis in self-defense. That’s it. They couldn’t go out and try to find the real murderer because Jodi Arias had already admitted that she was the real murderer.

    They did the best they could to sell the jury the story of self-defense. To do that they needed the jury to believe that Travis was both an abusive boyfriend and a child molester. In my opinion, having heard every word of testimony given in the courtroom, Travis Alexander was neither abusive nor a pedophile.

    Anyone can accuse anyone of anything. Many husbands who are going through a divorce where custody is involved find themselves accused of molesting their very own child. Many wives going through a messy divorce where custody is involved and perhaps a new boyfriend, are accused of being unfit mothers, being drug addicts and of being guilty of illicit overt sexual behavior in front of their children.

    During a divorce, great emotion can be involved. It can be so bad, so strong, that it is sadly all too common to hear about the soon to be ex-husband, killing the wife or ex-wife’s boyfriend and then killing her and then killing himself.

    At this time of unbelievable tumultuous emotion, I can understand why false allegations are aimed at someone who has already hurt you so badly, intentionally or unintentionally, by requesting a divorce or by seeking custody of the children. I can understand it but I cannot forgive it, nor accept it, nor condone it.

    That’s probably why I never went to law school. I would find it very, very difficult to defend my client at any cost. Based on all the evidence presented at the Jodi Arias trial, I could not have found Travis Alexander to be an abuser of sufficient merit to have deserved being murdered. I most certainly, based on the evidence at the trial, could never have believed him to be a pedophile.

    If I were the attorney representing Jodi Arias, I could not have defamed Travis Alexander by accusing him of things that I did not believe to be true. I know under our American judicial system, the attorney for the defense is required to and expected to be an advocate of the accused. It is an advocacy system. Kirk Nurmi and Jennifer Willmott fulfilled their obligation as attorneys in the American judicial system.

    They advocated so hard, that in my mind they were guilty of immoral conduct, not as attorneys, they did nothing wrong there, but as human beings. I bet if you hooked up both Jennifer and Kirk to a lie detector, and ask them if they really believed that Travis was a pedophile and abuser, you’d find that they really didn’t and don’t believe that he was.

    They advocated for Jodi Arias, then and now. They did their job and I respect them as attorneys, however I don’t have respect for a profession that allows for the professional to accuse a murder victim of horrendous acts without sufficient evidence to merit such defamation.

    Now I get it, I know all attorneys have to do this, that’s their job and they know that from the moment they enter law school. It’s not their fault and perhaps it’s no one’s fault because it just might be true that the best way to produce justice for someone accused of a crime is with this advocacy system. Nonetheless, I find it to be reprehensible that Travis Alexander was accused of having committed horrendous acts and having also been a disgusting, perverted, pedophile.

    Anyone can be accused of anything at any time (said it before but worth saying it again). They accused Travis but it doesn’t mean that their accusations were true. In fact there was insufficient evidence to even merit bringing an accusation, much less proving one true.

    I think that Kirk and Jennifer did a good job defending Jodi Arias, certainly the best that they could do under the circumstances and evidence available to them as defense attorneys. Apparently, the state of Arizona also agreed that they did a good job and proved that by having denied Jodi Arias’s first attempt to have Kirk Nurmi removed from her defense team. I believe, it’s most likely, that her second attempt will also fail.

    Remember, she states in her handwritten motion to the Superior Court of Arizona that Kirk Nurmi did attempt to visit her in prison on two occasions. On both occasions, she refused to see him.

    Having read that entire document, it becomes very apparent that Jodi blames Kirk for all of the things that she believes went wrong. She blames him but she never blames herself. He was wrong, not her. Isn’t that exactly what she did with Travis Alexander? Things went wrong in their relationship and it was never her fault, it was always Travis’s fault. Anything that went wrong, anything that was wrong was due to a problem of Travis’s.

    Even with all of the various incarnations of lies that she provided to the police overtime, she never took responsibility for having done something wrong or simply having been wrong. Even with the fantasy scenarios, the imaginative lies that she provided to the police, none of those fantasies displayed or even implied that she had done anything wrong. She was always the innocent victim. Even in the final scenario that she presented to the police, the last one and the one that she still claims to be true, she did nothing wrong. It wasn’t her fault. She didn’t kill Travis, Travis killed Travis by being a hot head who became enraged when she accidentally dropped his camera. Not her fault.

    In her latest petition to the court, she can see no blame on her part. She did nothing wrong, it was Kirk Nurmi. Not her fault, all Kirk’s fault. Nowhere in that document does she state anything to the effect that “in retrospect perhaps I should have accepted Kirk’s attempted visitations to the prison. After all, he took the time and drove over to see me and I at least should have taken the opportunity to tell him what a bad job he did for me and that I no longer wanted him as my attorney.”

    Nowhere, in her long written document to the court, does she admit to having done anything wrong. Nor does she admit or point out that Kirk Nurmi did anything right. If you read the document, that she submitted to the court, I think you will clearly see that her attack on Kirk Nurmi is a personal attack. She suggests that he really doesn’t care about her, he just cares about the money that he makes defending her. She talks about how incredibly bad he is as a human being for having instructed his secretary to no longer take messages from her and to having instructed his secretary to hang up on her if she attempts to leave a message.

    I think it would be a fair summary of her motion to the court, to say that Kirk Nurmi is a bad guy and a bad attorney. She does not imply or suggest nor state, that Kirk Nurmi is a good guy but nonetheless, a poor attorney.

    If we summarize her testimony in court , this was also her opinion of Travis Alexander. He was a bad guy. He was an abuser. He was a pedophile. Our relationship ended up badly. Not my fault.

    Kirk Nurmi? He was a bad guy. He did bad things as an attorney. Our relationship ended up badly. Not my fault.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/27/2013 at 7:49 pm

      We understand that it’s their job to be an advocate for their client, but we’re still left scratching our heads as to how they sleep at night. With all the evidence slapping both sides of your face, how can your morals and conscience allow you to stand up there knowing that you are defending a self-proclaimed murderer and then defame the character of the victim based on the stories you are being told by a KNOWN and proven LIAR?!! Even the specialists they approached to testify on her behalf KNEW what she was and weren’t about to get up there and lie for her just for the money!! Of course they did find one who had no conscience……La La Toilet….guess everyone has a price once they throw their morals down the shitter!!

      • MMD
        10/27/2013 at 10:16 pm

        CiCi’C – I couldn’t have said it better myself. It is beyond me how either are able to sleep at night or look at themselves in the mirror. They are indeed a special breed of person, not one I have an ounce of respect for.

  27. dpforjodi
    10/28/2013 at 8:18 am

    ditto MMD

  28. ByeByeJA
    10/28/2013 at 11:46 am

    I haven’t been able to follow the MacNeill trial very closely — has little Ada been on the stand yet? Or are they playing parts of an interview she had with authorities??

    • beansrontash
      10/28/2013 at 2:32 pm

      Bye, as I understand it, they will be showing a video made of Ada being interviewed, then the defense can question her based on that.

      • ByeByeJA
        10/28/2013 at 2:54 pm

        Thank you beans…so sad to put her through this..

  29. cathyn518
    10/28/2013 at 7:02 pm

    Will Ada be in the courtroom tomorrow then? I can’t imagine how traumatic for her to gi.ve testimony about her mother’s death with her father, the accused murderer. sitting there. It makes me question how a child could recover from such a devastating loss

  30. 10/29/2013 at 12:40 am

    dp – I’m geared up with your chatting at the MM trial – say hello (Jessi), There is another Jess/Canada, not me.

    Off topic. Just seen Bravo Network and guess who was on – Nancy Grace. OMG, who would ever think she would be there – it was weird. The whole input was bizarre. Need I say more.

    MM Trial – I do understand the pros have to be careful with Gypsy’s testimony, but she got immunity and I think the misinformation is starting already. Didn’t Rachel say she (G) was at the dinner after the funeral and G said she left after the funeral? Correct me if I heard wrong? And, the pro did not Q her on it. I think and hope the Pro is just testing the waters and it will get a lot more intense, JMO.

    It should be an interesting day.

    • dpforjodi
      10/29/2013 at 4:26 am

      Jessi, now I feel shy. What me? What part of the Globe are you from, my dear?
      OMG are you a fan? do you wnat my autograph?

      • dpforjodi
        10/29/2013 at 4:39 am

        want that is, what you do with it is up to you.

  31. essem58
    10/29/2013 at 5:49 am

    Looking forward to seeing Gypsy up again. I’ve set the calendar through WAT for the start at 1am here!! I wonder if she’ll have the chicken fillets covered this time? Just hope the prosecution press her for answers. Bring on those text messages. How can a man grieving his suddenly deceased wife be texting his mistress 20-30 odd times on the day of the funeral? Time to watch Jethro now MMD, we’re saying goodbye to Ziva 😪

    • dpforjodi
      10/29/2013 at 6:23 am

      lol essem, chicken fillets

    • MMD
      10/29/2013 at 7:20 am

      Well I felt totally gypped essem with the way they did it – 10 minutes or screen time at the absolute most. They kept talking about the first 2 episodes being about saying goodbye. Gypped I say, gypped. Kinda ties in with the Gypsy theme we have going on here. Hope we will start telling the complete truth today but why do I feel like the pros is going to let her slide 🙄 We need JM and to see the texts, in detail like we did with JA.

      • MMD
        10/29/2013 at 7:21 am

        duh – she will start telling

  32. 10/29/2013 at 7:06 am

    What I have heard is that the text contents were not able to be retrieved. I think it depends on what service they used, especially that many years ago. Maybe they’ll surprise us. Wasn’t that a problem in discovery with the JA trial? Years later the Pros were able to find a tech/program to read them, as to what I recall.

    Essem, I totally agree with you about covering up. She’s probably trying to distract the Pro – she’s on the same page as MM – a pure sociopath.

    dp – I’m just giving you are hard time – not a stalker – ha, ha! It definitely made the toxicology guy easier to listen to with the chatting going on.

    Wonder if the Pro will get more aggressive with Gypsy as the day moves along. We’ll see. The traffic is going to be huge on the internet – better open up many sites.Thank goodness for the archives.

    • dpforjodi
      10/29/2013 at 8:50 am

      lol jessi

    • MMD
      10/29/2013 at 9:16 am

      Already have 3 sites open already. Not that I’m anxious or anything 😉

  33. ritanita
    10/29/2013 at 9:14 am

    Good morning, trial watchers! Spent a couple of days in Charles Town and am here in time to not miss a thing.

    Beth Karas has a very good article up at WAT today:

    http://www.wildabouttrial.com/one_off/martin-macneill-case-state-got-it-right/

  34. ritanita
    10/29/2013 at 10:03 am

    I’m listening to Beth now, and they are discussing if Gypsy could be declared a hostile witness. She replied it could happen and that the prosecution was probably close to it.

    At that point, an idea struck me smack in the gray matter. JURY QUESTIONS! I’m sure this jury, which has asked a lot of very good questions, will probably submit questions about why Gypsy had a plea deal, among other prohibited questions based on the judge’s pre-trial decisions.

    When they don’t hear their questions answered, it’s going to go ding-ding-ding in their minds that it must be damaging to the defense. Whether it is legitimate jury discussion during deliberations, this fact may come out. I’m sure the juror who asked the question would be telling his/her fellow jurors that they asked about WHY Gypsy had made a plea deal and the question wasn’t asked.

    I’m sure hoping the prosecution team has had a little “chat” with her about the poor level of cooperation and that she could end up negating the deal if the prosecutor has to continue to impeach her with her own words on the stand. Actually, I sort of like that he has to impeach her on the stand in front of the jury who will decide if this was a case of murder.

  35. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 10:24 am

    Damn where is that court feed. We’re getting very close and nada yet!!!!!!!

    • 10/29/2013 at 10:37 am

      It’s up on Fox 13.

  36. ritanita
    10/29/2013 at 10:38 am

    http://fox13now.com/2013/10/17/live-streaming-martin-macneill-murder-trial/ Live here now, WAT is loading. Pros. wants her declared a hostile witness.

  37. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 10:38 am

    Yes, he is asking for her to be declared a hostile witness!!!!!!

    • 10/29/2013 at 10:40 am

      Just as we figured. Good for them, the gloves are off.

  38. ritanita
    10/29/2013 at 10:38 am

    WAT live now, a tad behind.

  39. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 10:45 am

    I see the weekend didn’t improve Miss Piggy’s looks or hair. Sorry, just couldn’t help myself. going to the naughty corner now. ➡ ➡ ➡ ➡ 😦

    • 10/29/2013 at 10:47 am

      You’re so cruel, I like that in a person.

      • MMD
        10/29/2013 at 10:48 am

        lol

      • dpforjodi
        10/29/2013 at 12:30 pm

        ditto

    • ritanita
      10/29/2013 at 10:48 am

      Looks like she combs it with a pork chop.

      • MMD
        10/29/2013 at 10:51 am

        naughty corner for you too ritanita!

  40. Marilyn N
    10/29/2013 at 10:50 am

    Morning all!
    HWG (here we go!)!!!

    • MMD
      10/29/2013 at 10:52 am

      Morning Marilyn ********waves************

    • 10/29/2013 at 10:53 am

      Mornin’ Marilyn, this should be good.

  41. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 10:51 am

    Wow, she covered up the boobs! Someone must have had a chat with her.

  42. Marilyn N
    10/29/2013 at 10:54 am

    SHe looks so self assured.
    If she says the wrong thing Martin might
    sign her up for a facelift!

    • 10/29/2013 at 10:57 am

      Why do these people never seem to realize that if he did it to his wife, he will do it to them?

      • MMD
        10/29/2013 at 11:00 am

        The way you get them is how you lose them.

    • dpforjodi
      10/29/2013 at 12:31 pm

      lol but she needs a chin lift and maybe from what I can see a but lift

  43. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 10:55 am

    What a slut and whore!!!!!!!!!!!! and she tries to put a good spin on these shots. Geesh!

    • dpforjodi
      10/29/2013 at 12:26 pm

      she always spoke well of you, MMD

      • MMD
        10/29/2013 at 12:51 pm

        🙄

      • 10/29/2013 at 3:10 pm

        good one DP.

  44. Marilyn N
    10/29/2013 at 10:56 am

    They said last night on HLN after dark, that they don’t have the actual transcripts
    of their texts.

    • MMD
      10/29/2013 at 11:07 am

      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

  45. Marilyn N
    10/29/2013 at 10:59 am

    Oh sure, like she wouldn’t remember if they took that trip together!!!

  46. 10/29/2013 at 11:01 am

    She must have used a wide angle lens to take a pic of that butt.

    • MMD
      10/29/2013 at 11:07 am

      LOL

    • dpforjodi
      10/29/2013 at 12:27 pm

      lol

  47. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 11:07 am

    She looks like she has false eyelashes on, along with tons of Maybelline.

  48. Marilyn N
    10/29/2013 at 11:09 am

    Martin must be busy in his mind, thinking up new schemes to get back on his feet
    monetarily.

  49. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 11:11 am

    Geesh, no sir, I don’t remember taking a trip with Martin, or when he proposed or when we were going to get married but I do remember I had a 4 1/2 carat engagement ring but geesh it was all so long ago……………………………………….

    • ritanita
      10/29/2013 at 11:15 am

      I seem to recall a family video of the proposal. On the TV program (20/20 or one of them).

      • MMD
        10/29/2013 at 11:17 am

        He proposed in front of her family.

  50. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 11:14 am

    That’s it??????????? I sure hope that the def opens some doors.

  51. essem58
    10/29/2013 at 11:16 am

    Prosecution is finished? Where is Juan?

    • MMD
      10/29/2013 at 11:18 am

      Hiya essem – how are things down under? The pros. is blowing it big time here!!!!!!!

      • essem58
        10/29/2013 at 11:21 am

        Not impressed so far. I woke myself up at 1am for that????

      • essem58
        10/29/2013 at 11:23 am

        Hi back at you, sorry very rude of me, I’m shell shocked.

      • MMD
        10/29/2013 at 11:24 am

        who wouldn’t be. This pros is appalling!!!!!!!!

  52. Marilyn N
    10/29/2013 at 11:16 am

    Can’t they throw her back in prison if she doesn’t follow through with her
    plea deal by being honest?

    • MMD
      10/29/2013 at 11:19 am

      Yes they can but I think she took the 5th when it came to knowing anything about the actual death.

  53. Marilyn N
    10/29/2013 at 11:20 am

    There is so much circumstantial evidence in this case I can smell it thru my
    computer!!!!! We have to trust that the jury is putting it all together!!

  54. ritanita
    10/29/2013 at 11:21 am

    Jenkins isn’t done yet. It’s going to be slow because the defense will be pouring out objections whenever they can.

    • ritanita
      10/29/2013 at 11:23 am

      Make that PERKINS!

  55. Marilyn N
    10/29/2013 at 11:22 am

    What are they reading?

  56. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 11:27 am

    She may be testifying truthfully, just not completely or fully.

  57. Marilyn N
    10/29/2013 at 11:27 am

    Ya – just like Jodi was being truthful because she was under oath!!!!

    • MMD
      10/29/2013 at 11:31 am

      Exactly!

  58. essem58
    10/29/2013 at 11:27 am

    Her head on the side tells me she is lying.

  59. 10/29/2013 at 11:29 am

    Now she remembers all the texts but last week she couldn’t count them when they were right in front of her.

    • MMD
      10/29/2013 at 11:31 am

      Exactly!

  60. 10/29/2013 at 11:32 am

    That’s it? Well, I’m underwhelmed.

  61. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 11:32 am

    I hope the jury come through with lots of questions. If not, they just lost the case.

    • 10/29/2013 at 11:39 am

      Respectfully disagree toots, they’re still going to bury this guy under a mountain of circumstantial evidence and I think the jurors will get it.

      • MMD
        10/29/2013 at 11:44 am

        I truly hope you’re right darlin’!

  62. essem58
    10/29/2013 at 11:34 am

    Yes but there was barely time to even write questions although whatever one the judge is reading is a long one!

  63. ritanita
    10/29/2013 at 11:39 am

    The ones the judge couldn’t ask will be the ones that stick in individual juror’s mind.

    • 10/29/2013 at 11:41 am

      Totally agree with the point you made earlier about that.

  64. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 11:43 am

    Yeah she had a child that her parents adopted.

  65. 10/29/2013 at 11:43 am

    Oh good, she’s had a kid of her own, I wonder where that child is now.

  66. ritanita
    10/29/2013 at 11:44 am

    She had a child of her own! Yeah, she gave her to her mother at 1 yr.! Hope the prosecution brings it up.

    • ritanita
      10/29/2013 at 11:45 am

      Egad! He left it out! Maybe her parents will testify???

  67. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 11:51 am

    I see Ted Rowlands from CNN is sitting directly behind the pros in front of the gallery.

  68. essem58
    10/29/2013 at 12:01 pm

    Ok peeps nite, going back to sleep, can’t see anything earth shattering coming out now. 😴😴😴😴

    • MMD
      10/29/2013 at 12:07 pm

      sweet dreams.

    • 10/29/2013 at 12:10 pm

      have a good night essem.

  69. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 12:06 pm

    Smiling Bob is turning into a jack in the box.

  70. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 12:11 pm

    Can you believe a husband who gives a eulogy for his wife but doesn’t talk about his wife, only himself???????????? That should have set off alarm bells/red flags right then and there!!!!!!!!!

  71. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 12:21 pm

    good – I need food.

  72. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 12:40 pm

    I can’t believe I cancelled an appt on Thursday because I figured that Gypsy was going to be on the stand all week!!! 🙄

    I also still stick with my prediction that Marty is NOT going to take the stand.

    • 10/29/2013 at 1:11 pm

      Like stabby,he won’t be able to resist, unless his defense team uses a cattle-prod and duct-tapes to the chair I think he will.

  73. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 12:56 pm

    Well that was a very reasoned response to the def. objection. I like this judge – he knows his stuff and is very thorough.

    • 10/29/2013 at 1:07 pm

      ditto

  74. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 1:04 pm

    Oh good, Michele sister.

  75. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/29/2013 at 1:16 pm

    What is with the audio at WAT?! Is anyone else watching WAT getting feedback or double talk on the sound. We read WAT’s Twitter notes earlier that said they were having audio problems but come on….who’s working on it????

  76. 10/29/2013 at 1:23 pm

    Newsflash Bob, one can have an opinion and still tell the truth while under oath.

    • MMD
      10/29/2013 at 1:24 pm

      I guess that he figures the jury isn’t smart enough to realize that. 🙄

  77. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 1:23 pm

    I can’t believe how few questions are being asked of these witnesses. 🙄

  78. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 1:26 pm

    May have been sustained but can’t unring that bell about other victims. Glad she got to say it.

  79. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/29/2013 at 1:26 pm

    MMD :Try this ladies http://fox13now.com/on-air/live-stream-2/

    Oh….Thank you Thank You! That works much better. Geeezzzz….we were going crazy!

  80. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 1:27 pm

    It’s truly a sin what people have to go through in order to get justice but yet the protections provided the defendant truly continue to boggle my mind!!!

    • 10/29/2013 at 1:33 pm

      Donchais said it quite a few pages back, what we need is simply some common sense, unfortunately as Mark Twain said sense isn’t all that common.

      • MMD
        10/29/2013 at 1:38 pm

        sad but true.

  81. 10/29/2013 at 1:34 pm

    Is mom about to trash her daughter?

    • MMD
      10/29/2013 at 1:37 pm

      hope so.

  82. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 1:36 pm

    Hey, I want to hear what he had to say in the letter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • ritanita
      10/29/2013 at 1:39 pm

      Let’s hope so!

  83. 10/29/2013 at 1:41 pm

    Go judge! no you may not approach – siddown.

  84. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/29/2013 at 1:43 pm

    Hah….finally we’re getting to the meat!! She’s going to say what he told her about not liking his wife!!

  85. 10/29/2013 at 1:48 pm

    Mom is engaging, articulate and credible, this should be devastating to the defense. How are they going to impeach her?

  86. 10/29/2013 at 1:49 pm

    Huh, no cross.

  87. Marilyn N
    10/29/2013 at 1:50 pm

    Gosh, where were the kids during all these trips?

    • 10/29/2013 at 1:55 pm

      in Ukraine or being farmed out.

  88. 10/29/2013 at 1:52 pm

    Ada’s next.

  89. gn5020
    10/29/2013 at 1:53 pm

    Frustrating that the prosecution isn’t making more points with Gypsy! I wanted the point clearly made that MM staged the temple introduction of Gypsy to Rachel to look like an “accident” when it was actually well planned to smooth the way for MM and Gypsy to be together — just like he did with Michelle’s death.

    • 10/29/2013 at 2:01 pm

      If we got it, then the jurors got it.

  90. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/29/2013 at 1:54 pm

    Beans :Mom is engaging, articulate and credible, this should be devastating to the defense. How are they going to impeach her?

    Now that was some witness! Straight and to the point and we think she hit home with her testimony. We think the jury is getting a clear picture of all the pieces and will put them all together!

    • 10/29/2013 at 2:00 pm

      I agree. I’m not as frustrated as some (looking at you toots) with the lack of drama from the prosecutors. I think they are showing a tremendous amount of respect for the jurors in that they expect the jurors to be able to put this all together.

      • MMD
        10/29/2013 at 2:09 pm

        I know you’re looking at me but bear in mind, we know a lot more than the jury knows. So far, all the jury knows is that MacNeill cheated, lied, is a cad and that Gypsy and he had an affair prior to Michele death. I’m so beyond frustrated with these prosecutors. There is so much more they could have asked Michele’s sister, like why her brothers weren’t invited to the funeral.

      • MMD
        10/29/2013 at 2:10 pm

        Beansy darlin’, I’m not looking for drama, just followup questions. I don’t think that’s too much to ask in a murder trial 🙄

      • 11/03/2013 at 2:38 am

        The prosecutors are stacking up all the evidence. They’re going to connect the dots in their closing argument. That’s where we’ll get the drama, if there is going to be any. I don’t see it as respect for the jury. Sam Pead is no Juan Martinez. That’s why he’s frequently referred to as “the Prosecutor,” instead of by his name. I sure hope he brings his presentation up a notch for the closing. He’s very bland. The lead prosecutor is Chad Grunander. It took five minutes to even find a photo of him online. Neither one is a spitfire.

  91. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 2:20 pm

    I wonder if Martin is capable of having any feeling for Ada and what he has put her through?

    • 10/29/2013 at 2:24 pm

      I think you would first have to explain what “feelings” are to him.

      • MMD
        10/29/2013 at 2:41 pm

        I agree.

      • MMD
        10/29/2013 at 2:46 pm

        Picture of Ada

  92. 10/29/2013 at 2:22 pm

    MMD, I would submit, that based on all the testimony so far, they also know he is a murderer.

    • MMD
      10/29/2013 at 2:35 pm

      They may know but has it been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. That is what’s important.

      • 10/29/2013 at 2:46 pm

        if they know it, it’s been proven.

  93. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 2:36 pm

    This testimony is simply breaking my heart. I can barely stand to listen to Ada. That poor child as well as the rest of her family.

    • 10/29/2013 at 2:55 pm

      ditto. this is killing me, this mofo subjecting his kids to this stuff – We said it before but I just want to beat him senseless.

  94. 10/29/2013 at 2:43 pm

    Oh, look at Marty – ‘acting’.

  95. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 2:47 pm

    Sorry posted in wrong place. Picture of Ada.

  96. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 2:53 pm

    Yeah, walked home with her whereas she was always driven home previously. Had to make sure Michele was good and gone.

  97. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 2:56 pm

    I hope he rots in hell for this.

    • 10/29/2013 at 3:01 pm

      don’t believe in hell but I’m with you on the rotting part.

  98. 10/29/2013 at 3:00 pm

    Too bad this guy can’t suddenly grow a pair, stand up and say “enough, I did it.” and spare traumatizing this child any further.

  99. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/29/2013 at 3:17 pm

    His gal ” Gyp” was wearing a 4.5 carat diamond ring he gave her! That tells you just how much he cared about what his kids were going through at the time. She gets a ring and they suffer through depression. What a pair….they deserve each other!! She was so cocky on the stand they probably already have plans together after he gets out (they wish!!)

  100. 11/03/2013 at 2:48 am

    One odd thing about this trial is that we don’t know anything about the jury, except that there are six men and five women. (Eleven members of the jury, not twelve.) In almost every trial I’ve followed, the jurors are referred to by number and their backgrounds (approximate age, job description, race, etc.) are published. Not so in this case. They were questioned in the judge’s chambers.

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