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Martin MacNeill Murder Trial – Day 7


On Friday, we got our first glimpse of Gypsy Willis.  We know that she attended Michele’s funeral.  She claims her relationship with MacNeill was casual.  I’m waiting to see what the text messages will reveal.  Should be very interesting!

Pros saying Gypsy is a hostile witness and protecting MacNeill.  Judge agrees.

Pros also wants 404B info brought in, like the kids weren’t a priority.  Judge says he wants to hear more of Gypsy’s testimony first.

Long sidebar.

Screen shot 2013-10-29 at 10.52.34 AMGypsy on the stand at 8:50.

April 2007 did you take pictures of your self?  Yes I do when I’m looking good.

She identifies pictures she took of herself that she sent to MacNeill.  The photos were taking the day after Michele’s death.

When were you hired as the nanny?  Around the 20th.  Damien, Vanessa and the children were there.  She told them about herself.

Did the defendant tell about other candidates?  He didn’t say.

People have testified that you didn’t do things like cook, clean or look after the kids.  If the older girls were there I would defer to them.

You took trips with the defendant?  Yes.

Who watched the children?  Alexis, maybe?

In June 2007 you began looking at wedding rings?  June or July.

Have you been proposed to since the defendant proposed?  Yes.

Did you hear the defendant tell his children about the marriage?  He said he did.

Had you previously been married in the temple?  Yes.

By not officially being married, you still held yourself out as Jillian MacNeill?  Yes.

Did you obtain and ID?  Yes.

Under what name?  Jillian MacNeill.

Did you represent you were married?  Yes.

What was the wedding date?  April 14.  What is the significance of that?  It was the day of Michele’s funeral.


You got a deal from the prosecutors?  I did.

You wouldn’t have to spend 3 years in prison?  Yes.

Based on you testifying truthfully?  Yes.

Did you use Yahoo messenger?  Yes.


You had previously admitted to committing felonies?  Yes.

And it had nothing to do with Michele’s death?  Correct.

Jury questions…

Was there a reason that it was decided that you would be introduced to a family member at the temple?  Yes,

Did you have previous experience working as a nanny?  No.

Did Martin ever discuss Michele’s health or the surgery?  No.

State calls Roma Henrie.  Employed by USDC.

She knew MacNeill.

She was at the safety fair all day.  She saw MacNeill around 11am.

MacNeill wanted to get the award now because he had to pick up his daughter and check on his wife.

She was the one who took the photo at the awards ceremony recording MacNeill’s presence the morning of the 11th.  MacNeill was adamant that she got him in the picture and suggested she take a second one.

MacNeill came to work the Monday after the funeral and he was wearing a different wedding band.

She offered her condolences and said MacNeill seemed sad and said Michelle had elective surgery he didn’t want her to have and they missed a heart condition.


While you were at the fair did you observe the medical booth?   Yes.

You attended the funeral?  Yes.

Did you recall Rachel speaking?  Yes.

Did you remember Rachel recalling how sick her mother was on Easter?  Yes.

She was sick in bed and missed the Easter egg hunt.

She is released.

State calls Cheryl Radmall.

She knew Michele from church.

She found out Michele died on the day she died and she was shocked.

She and her husband and friends went to the MacNeill home.

MacNeill showed them the renovations.   The girls were all there and upset.  MacNeill never spoke about Michele.

No cross or jury questions.

She is released.

State calls Loreen Thompson.

She also knew Michele from church.  She, Michele and Cheryl worked on a council together.

She found out about Michele had passed.

Michele had no serious health problems.  Martin had health issues, MS!

Now why in god’s name would MacNeill tell Michele he has MS???

Martin spoke at Michele’s funeral.  Most of talk he gave was about himself.

At the funeral luncheon MacNeill seemed happy.


State calls Lani Swallow.

This is the last of the 4 women on the council Michele led.

She knew all the kids.

She was at the funeral and said MacNeill didn’t cry or seem upset.

She had been laid-off and offered to take care of the girls.  MacNeill said it was ok, he had hired a nanny.  This was the day of the funeral!

State calls Linda Cluff.  Michele’s sister.

She’s known MacNeill for 30 odd years.

Michele was a very close mom to her children.

She went to the funeral and burial.  She says MacNeiill wasn’t using a cane at that time and he was fine.

During the service he was limping and using a cane.

At the funeral luncheon MacNeill was smiling and joking around about getting used to living the life of a bachelor and hanging-out with buddies and golfing.


MacNeill didn’t try to hide the fact he was using a cane?  No.

You created a website and the defendant?  Yes.

You listed a number of media sites about the defendant?  Yes.

State calls Vicky Willis.

Gypsy’s mom.

She knows MacNeill as Gypsy’s fiancé.  She met him in May of 2007.

MacNeill sent her a letter and a painting for mother’s day.

She said MacNeill was very impressive as a doctor and a lawyer.

They learned about Michele and believed she had passed in January 2007!!!

MacNeill was the dominate person in the relationship and Gypsy seemed to be careful around him.

At their engagement party MacNeill was happy.

Did your ever speak to MacNeill about his relationship with Michele?


You spoke with MacNeill about his relationship with Michele?  Yes.

He said he never loved Michele like he loved Gypsy.

Witness released.

They have 1 –2 witnesses left today and are now having equip problem.

Recess called.

Looks like we’re gonna see the tape of Ada’s interview.

The tape is being played for the court.

Ada is pretty bright!

Says she feels safe living with Alexis.

Sadly, she is struggling talking about MacNeill and says she doesn’t want to talk about it.

Also doesn’t want to talk about Michele because it makes her sad!

You can hear Ada drawing and it’s so frantic it’s scary.

This is heartbreaking.

Remember, it was MacNeill who exclaimed, ‘Ada is ruined”.

When asked questions about her dad, she responds, ‘ I don’t want to talk about it’ each time.

Court ends early at 1:12 MT due to lack of additional witnesses

  1. MMD
    10/29/2013 at 3:31 pm

    Once again thank you donchais. Listening to Ada speak and more importantly, what she did not want to talk about, speaks volumes to me about her father. It also broke my heart for what she and the rest of her family have suffered through.

    I still have so many issues with the lack of followup questions by this prosecution team. There is so much more that could be said. I also think ritanita is right when she says that the jury questions that the judge doesn’t ask are the ones that will stick in the jury’s mind.

    Donchais, I think that you mean that they used April 14th rather June 14th as the date they used as the wedding date.

    • donchais
      10/29/2013 at 3:36 pm

      Yup, corrected, thanks. This pros cannot go into a lot of things due to pretrial motion hearings rulings.

      • MMD
        10/29/2013 at 3:44 pm

        I know and understand that, but it still really pisses me off. I really like this judge though. He gives very thoughtful and reasoned answers.

      • MMD
        10/29/2013 at 3:45 pm

        When Ada said that she felt safe living with Alexis a chill went down my spine. How about you?

      • donchais
        10/29/2013 at 3:48 pm

        Feel a lot of terror was going on in that house.

      • MMD
        10/29/2013 at 3:50 pm

        I totally agree with you.

      • 10/29/2013 at 3:56 pm

        I agree, Ada’s reluctance to speak about him pointed to more than what happened that day. Again, let’s not forget one of his adult daughters accused him of fondling her sometime after Michele’s death and he offered some bullshit excuse.

      • donchais
        10/29/2013 at 4:10 pm

        And, he still faces prosecution on that charge!!!

  2. 10/29/2013 at 3:51 pm

    Donchais, MMD and I have a slight difference of opinion about the way the pros. is handling the witnesses. While i agree there are a lot of questions they seem to leave unasked, I think they are doing a solid job of laying a foundation of circumstantial evidence around this guy – what do you think? Spot on summary as always.

    • donchais
      10/29/2013 at 3:55 pm

      Because so much of what the pros wanted was struck down in pretrial, they are pulling bits and pieces out from various witnesses to get to the foundation.

      • 10/29/2013 at 5:10 pm

        that’s a nice political answer kiddo, but you’re supposed to say I’m right and MMD is flat out wrong.

      • MMD
        10/29/2013 at 5:43 pm

        Sorry Beans 🙄 She’s not “supposed” to say just what you want cause after all she is the President of this U and her opinion always overrides yours. smh

      • ritanita
        10/30/2013 at 9:54 am

        ITA, Donchais! Giggling a little… This is a case of prosecution with one hand tied behind the back. Just a reminder to folks, in any trial, the defense gets all the benefit of the doubt to avoid a mistrial or overturn on appeal.

        We may not like it, but in the end, it’s a good thing.

  3. Anonymous
    10/29/2013 at 4:23 pm

    Here’s another one of Michael Kiefer’s rants on Prosecution.
    It’s a bit lengthy – the end is about the JA trial.

    • 10/29/2013 at 4:32 pm

      Ah man, some more Kiefer bs? I’m only reading it because you posted it.

  4. 10/29/2013 at 4:28 pm

    Donchais, so you’re saying he still faces charges for sexually assaulting one of his daughters? I know he was accused of it but didn’t realize it was being pursued by the state. Good stuff, let’s bury this guy. As always, thanks for what you do.

  5. 10/29/2013 at 4:35 pm

    Donchais – Sorry about the the “Anonymous” – must have forgotten to log in.
    The Kiefer articles. One other may follow. The eyeballs are getting tired.
    Excellent review as always.

    • 10/29/2013 at 4:48 pm

      and excellent find Jessi. To me the key words are “he was accused by defense attorneys” You have to wonder how many bj’s Kiefer has received from stabby to be so solidly in her corner.

      • 10/29/2013 at 4:57 pm

        Ha, Ha Beans! You’re right on!

      • dpforjodi
        10/29/2013 at 5:22 pm

        beans i was going to ask you and MMD if you wanted to be one of the yo yo yo sisterhood but not now.

      • 10/29/2013 at 5:49 pm

        Oh no, my one opportunity to join a sisterhood and I blew (no pun intended) it.

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        10/29/2013 at 10:29 pm

        There’s no fool like an old fool!!

    • MMD
      10/29/2013 at 8:36 pm

      Thanks for the link Jessi but all I have to say is consider the source. Michael Kiefer is a long time useless hack whose time has come and gone. His bias is always so beyond obvious that you wonder if he a charter member of the defense attorneys old boys club. Even his tweets during the trial were blatantly biased.

      If I lost a loved one there is no one I would want more than JM to be on my side to get justice because he is passionate and focused. Maybe some defense attorneys could take notes from him as to how to be an effective advocate.

      • 10/29/2013 at 11:57 pm

        He is a jerk! He absolutely hates Juan and will do whatever to slander his name. You are so right about having JM on your side – the man is beyond passion. Loved the comment about the students wanting to be like JM. Screw MK.

        Off topic: I followed some of the Chrisman trial and it was very tormenting at times. The Judge was so pro-defense and I was glad to see some of the outcome put the cop behind bars. Last I heard JM is going for another round. Go Juan!

  6. September
    10/29/2013 at 7:53 pm

    Beans, loved your comment………spot on girl.
    I so wish we could see juan in action again. He would have the good doc shaking in his boots.
    Donchais, thanks so much for summary and the site.

    • MMD
      10/29/2013 at 8:38 pm

      LOL – Beans how does it feel to be a girl? 😆 At least you’re in the absolute best company!

      • 10/30/2013 at 5:46 am

        Feels pretty good, Now I don’t have to be embarrassed to wear my Jimmy Choo’s out in public.

      • MMD
        10/30/2013 at 10:12 am

        Well you DO wear them so well!!!!!!!!! 😀

  7. Marilyn N
    10/29/2013 at 10:34 pm

    Gypsy’s parents on HLN After Dark right now!!

  8. cathyn518
    10/30/2013 at 7:22 am

    Thank you to Donchais for this summary. i was traveling yesterday and the first thing I did upon returning late last night was come to this site and read about what I missed. I missed a lot! I also miss JM and can only think of how he would be handling this trial and how truth and justice would be brought forward with his efforts. I don’t know who is JA’s worst nightmare, JM or herself.

  9. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 10:43 am

    Morning all. Hope we get some good testimony today in bulk rather having to pull out nuggets from a group of people.

  10. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 10:44 am

    I forgot about Vanessa. I really hope Miss Piggy doesn’t destroy this daughter as well and use her history to impeach her.

  11. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 10:50 am

    This is breaking my heart watching what this family has and is still going through courtesy of their father. As Mrs. DP would say, rat bastard!!!!!!!!!!

  12. ritanita
    10/30/2013 at 11:03 am

    Sabrina didn’t even look at her father when she pointed her out.

    • MMD
      10/30/2013 at 11:14 am

      Morning ritanita. She also said was not is her father. What this girl has gone through prior to being adopted and then this, her composure is astounding.

      • 10/30/2013 at 11:26 am

        She’s a remarkable young lady and how patronizing is that defense attorney.

  13. ritanita
    10/30/2013 at 11:31 am

    I’m so glad she mentioned the name of the family she and her “sisters” were sent to live with prior to being retrieved by Alexis. Too bad she couldn’t say Martin gave them away after Michelle’s death.

    • MMD
      10/30/2013 at 11:36 am

      Do you know where the other sister is that she said she hadn’t seen in quite a long time?

  14. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 11:32 am

    Oh good, the other mistress!!!i I hope she tells all.

    • 10/30/2013 at 11:35 am

      I missed the name, is this Anna Osborne?

      • MMD
        10/30/2013 at 11:43 am

        Yes, sorry Beans.

      • 10/30/2013 at 11:48 am

        Not your fault Toots, I was distracted when she was called.

  15. ByeByeJA
    10/30/2013 at 11:36 am

    Question….both Rachel and Sabrina mentioned another adopted sister by the name of Noel (Sabrina said she never met her). The kids in total would be: Rachel, Vanessa, Alexis, Damian, Giselle, Elle, Noel, Sabrina and Ada….9??? Anyone know what happened to Noel?

    • MMD
      10/30/2013 at 11:42 am

      Wasn’t she originally Nicole but there were issues because of the fraud and she changed her name?

    • ritanita
      10/30/2013 at 11:53 am

      I thought Giselle changed her name to Noelle or Noel…

      • MMD
        10/30/2013 at 12:03 pm

        You’re probably right. I can’t keep their names straight.

    • ByeByeJA
      10/30/2013 at 11:56 am

      When Rachel testified she rattled off the siblings names and used both Giselle and Noel….Sabrina said that she hasn’t seen Giselle for a long time and never met Noel. It’s very odd.

      • MMD
        10/30/2013 at 12:04 pm

        I agree it is very odd. I cannot fathom what went on in and out of that house.

  16. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 12:05 pm

    How the hell do the witness’s medical records get into this trial? They are not on trial and this is so wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  17. 10/30/2013 at 12:07 pm

    Excellent re-direct imo.

  18. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 12:10 pm

    Wow, he certainly knows how to pick them and we have no idea how many more there were! 🙄

  19. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 12:47 pm

    Geesh it’s a wonder she woke up that morning at all with all those meds so close together plus the 2 percocets.

  20. 10/30/2013 at 12:48 pm

    I really like this prosecutor and the way he is guiding Alexis through this testimony. She is going to bury the defendant, good luck trying to impeach her, Bob and ds.

    • MMD
      10/30/2013 at 12:51 pm

      He is the best on the pros team imo.

    • MMD
      10/30/2013 at 12:51 pm

      She’s also a very good witness.

      • 10/30/2013 at 12:55 pm

        ditto, her intelligence, integrity and honesty seem beyond reproach.

  21. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 1:10 pm

    I wonder how she got that broken arm??????

    • 10/30/2013 at 1:12 pm

      My very thought MMD.

  22. NancyB
    10/30/2013 at 1:12 pm

    Michele would be so proud of Alexis! Her heart would be very full. Alexis is an amazing person, sister, daughter!! Hey, I’ve been catching the testimony just sporadically – so can any of you tell me if Gypsy ever completed nursing school? Please tell me that she’s not a RN – the thought of her practicing nursing I find very scary. Hugs to all of you!

    • 10/30/2013 at 1:14 pm

      I can’t answer that question Nancy, but it’s so nice to see you, hugs back.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/30/2013 at 1:15 pm

      She did, but her licenses were pulled from practicing in Utah due to the charges against her. Damn….we found that article posted on the WAT site and tried to move it here but of course…..couldn’t do it. It was a pretty long document from the State of Utah!

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        10/30/2013 at 1:21 pm

        Sorry not WAT site, McNeill Twitter page. Maybe it can be found by searching Gypsy by name?? Sorry….we don’t know how to do that either!

    • MMD
      10/30/2013 at 1:24 pm

      I couldn’t find it on WAT but try this link ladies which I found on CourtChatter. Great to see you Nancy and {{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}} back


  23. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 1:13 pm

    That man sits there watching his daughter with such an evil look! He KNOWS he’s been had!! Go Alexis and stand your ground with Miss Pig and Howdy Doody!! they’re probably going to come at her with both barrels loaded on that bastard’s command!!

  24. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 1:20 pm

    Hope this Prosecution prepared Alexis well for the onslaught the Dufficense is going to come at her with!

  25. 10/30/2013 at 1:20 pm

    Hi Hens, Bob and ds can try but they’ll fail, Alexis is bulletproof imo.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/30/2013 at 1:22 pm

      We’re sitting on the edge of our seats with smiles on our faces. She’s a powerful witness!!

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/30/2013 at 1:23 pm

      Oops….Hi Beans….hello everyone!! Our manners went out the window. Forgot to say Hi to All!!

      • 10/30/2013 at 1:31 pm

        Don’t you worry about it, us geezers and geezerettes get a pass when it comes to manners lapses.

  26. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 1:36 pm

    Beans :Don’t you worry about it, us geezers and geezerettes get a pass when it comes to manners lapses.

    Ha ha ha….we hear ya! We take turns doing the typing so we just blamed our “seccatary” for today!

    • 10/30/2013 at 1:42 pm

      I like the way you girls think – when it comes to modern technology, blaming someone else is always my fallback position.

  27. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 1:38 pm

    MMD :I couldn’t find it on WAT but try this link ladies which I found on CourtChatter. Great to see you Nancy and {{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}} back

    Yest…that’s the document!! What scary is isn’t that just in Utah? She can go to other states and practice can’t she??

  28. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 1:42 pm

    Truly, who in their right mind hires a full time nursing student to be a full time nanny for their 4 minor children????? There aren’t enough hours in the day to do all that Michele did as a stay home mother!!!!!! 🙄

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/30/2013 at 1:45 pm

      Yea! And that bitch of a defense attorney had the gall to tell Rachel, “your mother didn’t work….” Such a condecending bitch!! She can’t make any points with some of the witnesses so she takes shots at the victims!

      • MMD
        10/30/2013 at 1:49 pm

        I’d like to see that defense attorney do her job and bring up 8 children. No possible way!!!!!!!!

        As for shots at the victims, it seems like that’s all the defense has and they are downright nasty shots at that.

    • 10/30/2013 at 1:47 pm

      Every one of these kids, though damaged to varying degrees, seem to be exceptionally intelligent yet this guy thought he could fool all of them with his bullshit.

  29. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 1:47 pm

    Howdy Doody must have a breathing problem….he sits there with his mouth open all the time!! or Maybe his teeth don’t fit?!!

  30. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 1:52 pm

    Who the hell gives their wife a surprise gift of plastic surgery??????????? That’s worse than a gift that has a plug attached!!!!!!! dipshit!!! 🙄

    • 10/30/2013 at 2:07 pm

      Really. I had a friend who gave his wife a microwave for Christmas, I asked him, ‘what, they were all out of vacuum cleaners?’ – he didn’t get it.

      • MMD
        10/30/2013 at 2:13 pm

        LOL – unless that’s what she asked for I bet he was in the doghouse for a few days!!!!!! smh

  31. 10/30/2013 at 1:53 pm

    Wow. Nice present. “here honey, I don’t like the way you look. you’re getting old and ugly, get your face fixed – happy birthday.”

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/30/2013 at 1:55 pm

      He should have gifted himself instead! He’s no prize!!!

  32. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 1:53 pm

    We’ve been wondering if the suicide of their brother Damien may have had anything to do with possibly believing that his father killed their mother and he could not deal with it after having been the only one who believed him at first. Boy this bastard has left a trail of dead bodies behind him!!

    • 10/30/2013 at 1:55 pm

      and there may be more according to some of the stories out there.

    • MMD
      10/30/2013 at 1:56 pm

      Sadly, we’ll never know. The collateral damage from one person’s actions has had an incredibly large ripple affect that is still going on.

  33. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 1:53 pm

    I think that Bob is going to do the cross since he is doing the objecting. I think that’s the way it works.

    • 10/30/2013 at 1:58 pm

      He should. He comes across as being less aggressive than ds. They want to be very careful with Alexis.

  34. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 2:00 pm

    Whew….break time. We’re all so tense and our jaws are tight from sitting here listening to this!! Ooooph….gotta stop the ol gals….they’re grabbing glasses! Sorry….we have to keep to our rule…..eat first….then they can have a sip!! It’s not noon yet!!

    • MMD
      10/30/2013 at 2:02 pm

      So nobody has drawn on your forehead yet this trial? 😀

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        10/30/2013 at 2:40 pm

        Hah! Noooooo….Ci Ci’s been on her guard for a long time!

    • 10/30/2013 at 2:10 pm

      It’s past noon here and I’m working on my second cocktail.

    • MMD
      10/30/2013 at 2:12 pm

      Well ladies, didn’t you eat breakfast? That works with your rule! 😀

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        10/30/2013 at 2:47 pm

        Well some of us had breakfast at 7 this morning so it was pretty early since our last meal. However…..we’ve been grazing all morning so that has to count for something. Put all those snacks together and to us…..that counts as a meal!! Sooooo Ci Ci…..uncork that bottle!!

  35. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 2:10 pm

    I would like to make a declarification here. Beans is so much more polite than I am and will not call the female attorney ‘Miss Piggy’ as I do. So, adhering to his standards he is referring to her nicely as ds, which in my mind, I have translated to be ‘dipshit’ as I know he likes that word. Now this is just speculation on my part, which is inadmissible in a court of law however, that is my gut feeling. Kinda like how Mrs. DP, who is greatly missed today, is fond of the endearing term ‘rat bastard’. I think all 3 nicknames totally apply to anyone at the defense table!!!!

    going to naughty corner now………. ➡ ……… :arrow:………… ➡ ……… 😦

    • MMD
      10/30/2013 at 2:10 pm

      geesh correction: declaration 🙄

    • 10/30/2013 at 2:15 pm

      Thanks Toots for that de-edification. I’m not really a gentleman, although I could play one in a movie. And you are spot on, you go guy.

      • MMD
        10/30/2013 at 3:00 pm

        lol with the de-edification. I wonder if JA has realized that is not a word yet????

  36. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 2:16 pm

    Beans :
    Every one of these kids, though damaged to varying degrees, seem to be exceptionally intelligent yet this guy thought he could fool all of them with his bullshit.

    I totally agree Beans and this is why we so desperately need Syn back because she would be able to tell us whether or not he is a true psychopath and what exactly that thing called “Gypsy” truly is.

    I do know that he is a total narcissist but I need a refresher course from down under.

    • 10/30/2013 at 2:23 pm

      Agree about the need for some down under insight. I see them both as socio’s, but I think he must have been so overbearing, so domineering, a bully, if you will, that he thought he could coerce his kids into believing his crap concerning Michele’s death and never took into account how smart they were.

      • MMD
        10/30/2013 at 2:27 pm

        And of course when he was talking to the pathologist what he told her about what happened would be subconsciously in the back of her mind so she may not have been as thorough as she would normally have been. After all, he was considered a ‘well respected physician’ in the area.

  37. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 2:19 pm

    What I cannot get over is that Marty was the primary care physician for the entire family. I thought that was such a no no, totally unethical and maybe downright illegal!!! Anybody know for sure? I know, I think I will call my friendly pharmacist.

    • 10/30/2013 at 2:42 pm

      It feels that way to me too but I don’t know what the ethical standards are legally.

  38. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 2:41 pm

    Beans :It’s past noon here and I’m working on my second cocktail.

    That’s what one of the ol hens said, “it’s noon time somewhere and that’s good enough!”

    • 10/30/2013 at 2:46 pm

      I proclaim you all honorary canucks for the purpose of enjoying our time zone differences, so crack those jugs and pop the corks ladies.

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        10/30/2013 at 2:48 pm

        They heard you loud and clear! Sheeesh….get out of the way or you’ll get trampled!

  39. 10/30/2013 at 3:01 pm

    I may be out of commission for the rest of the day. I was overrun by a herd of stampeding hens and the results aren’t pretty.

    • MMD
      10/30/2013 at 3:06 pm

      Get up you – you’re tougher than that!!!!!!!!!

  40. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 3:06 pm

    CC @courtchatter
    Defense attorney, Randy Spencer’s wife and son are in the courtroom to see him in action.

    I guess they want to watch daddy try and intimidate and break the nice daughter/victim 🙄

    If my hubby was involved in this case I wouldn’t set foot outside my door.

    • 10/30/2013 at 3:14 pm

      what you said.

    • 10/30/2013 at 3:14 pm

      …and good call on who would do the cross.

    • MMD
      10/30/2013 at 3:23 pm

      Wonder if they’re proud of daddy Bob yet?

  41. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 3:21 pm

    So what??? She downloaded a ringtone and didn’t tell anyone, she erased the text to the phone company asking for the password, blah blah blah……what’s that got to do with the meat of it??? She did it to prove his affair!!

  42. 10/30/2013 at 3:24 pm

    Here we go again. Bob, here’s your serving of ass – enjoy.

  43. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 3:25 pm

    Just because she provided information and they didn’t ask her specific questions does not impeach her testimony. He’s going to spend the rest of the afternoon bickering about semantics. Pathetic!!!!!!! 🙄

  44. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 3:30 pm

    Just saw on twitter that the fraud dr is also going on trial in December for sexual abuse? I wonder whether it was one or several of his daughters? Is there no end to the grievous acts this so called human has committed!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 10/30/2013 at 3:37 pm

      I’ve been harping on this for awhile, it’s one of his adult daughters but I forget which one. Will have to research it later.

  45. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 3:32 pm

    took a whole day to become lucid – no fully lucid…………….. semantics!!!! I truly hope that the jury is getting annoyed with this nitpicking that he is trying to use as impeachment. I know I am and he’s only been at it a few minutes.

  46. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 3:32 pm

    Ha ha ha ha…..our sentiments EXACTLY!!!

    Teri ‏@Teri423 4m DONKEY TEETH!! RT @Jinga_saurus #martinmacneill keep it up donkey teeth. You are not making any points with this minor detail difference

  47. Marilyn N
    10/30/2013 at 3:33 pm

    Bob is trying to come across as sarcastic and he just sounds like a fool!

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/30/2013 at 3:39 pm

      A Damn Fool!! You can tell in his voice he’s getting desperate because all he’s doing is comparing single words then to now !! What an idiot!!

  48. Marilyn N
    10/30/2013 at 3:35 pm

    Bob is getting “frantic”!!!!!

    • MMD
      10/30/2013 at 3:36 pm

      Hiya Marilyn. Wondered where you were today. Glad to see you.

      • Marilyn N
        10/30/2013 at 3:43 pm

        Hi! I’m busy sewing and watching/listening!!

  49. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 3:35 pm

    Courtchatter: CC ‏@courtchatter 2m
    Jurors taking no notes. This says a lot to me, they were taking notes all morning.

  50. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 3:38 pm

    Hey dipshit – 12:50 IS afternoon!!!!!!!! 🙄

    • 10/30/2013 at 3:44 pm

      I just ‘love’ how these guys get away with making statements then adding ‘right’ to the end of it to turn their testifying into questions.

  51. essem58
    10/30/2013 at 3:41 pm

    Donkey is nit picking “terms and words” said by Alexis years ago. Newsflash, Alexis is now a doctor and these terms are as a result of her training to better define her mothers state eg lucid and fully lucid. She is now able to better explain her observations. STFU!! Btw Good morning all, 6am here down under.

    • MMD
      10/30/2013 at 3:42 pm

      Morning essem – it’s been a very interesting day in court today.

      • essem58
        10/30/2013 at 3:50 pm

        I caught bits of Vanessa and Sabrina but fell asleep. Will have to watch on YouTube to catch up.

    • Marilyn N
      10/30/2013 at 3:45 pm

      “Donkey” is perfect! Guess they have the defense farm with him and miss piggy!!

    • 10/30/2013 at 3:46 pm

      Hi essem, glad you’re with us.

  52. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 3:43 pm

    great – now he’s going to show somewhere that she said she left her side.

  53. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 3:43 pm

    OMG!! That fool is trying to make it look like it all happened at once, her mother sedated, her mother saying he kept giving her medication, and she went to ther dad. What an ass….the Prosecutor took her through it chronologically! He knows damn well he’s wrong, just trying to get something out there to confuse the jury!

  54. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 3:48 pm

    JSMZ ‏@jsmzaro 5m “@courtchatter: Randy Spencer’s wife and son just left.” Probably 4 good. Major FAIL. #MartinMacNeill

    • 10/30/2013 at 3:49 pm

      Daddy’s foundering, they couldn’t watch anymore.

    • MMD
      10/30/2013 at 3:50 pm

      now that makes this a tad more bearable!!!

    • Marilyn N
      10/30/2013 at 3:51 pm

      He was trying to show them how is “boss” in the courtroom – haha!

  55. 10/30/2013 at 3:55 pm

    ‘Yeah, I didn’t say that, but what I did say is that my father murdered my mother, can we focus on that?

    • essem58
      10/30/2013 at 4:02 pm

      You reading my mind?!?!

      • 10/30/2013 at 4:15 pm

        sure am, you’re an oz, I’m a canuck, we’re related in some weird way.

  56. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 3:55 pm

    According to Twitter….jury is not taking notes and appear uninterested!

  57. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 3:56 pm

    CC ‏@courtchatter 5m

    Female juror on the back row reminds me of a school teacher that wishes beatings with rulers would make a comeback.

  58. 10/30/2013 at 3:56 pm

    Bob’s getting frustrated again, here comes the sarcasm.

  59. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 3:59 pm

    Ben Winslow ‏@BenWinslow 5m Jurors are looking around, not taking notes. Big contrast from this morning’s direct testimony. @fox13now #MartinMacNeill #MacNeilltrial

  60. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 3:59 pm

    JINGASAURUS ‏@Jinga_saurus 30s
    Thank you donkey teeth for opening the door. The prosecution will get to explain the whole scam #martinmacneill & gypsy tried & got busted

  61. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 4:00 pm

    So what if it was written in a book or on toilet paper?!!! She kept records and her father distroyed evidence!!

  62. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 4:01 pm

    JINGASAURUS ‏@Jinga_saurus 31s
    the civil suit is where #martinmacneill Had gypsy put an unfounded million dollar lien on the house. Then the Feds undercover busted them

    All kinds of useful and interesting tidbits on twitter today and I don’t even know how to use it LOL

  63. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 4:02 pm

    I am so proud of Alexis – she is totally holding her own and not letting this idiot rattle her!!!

    • Marilyn N
      10/30/2013 at 4:11 pm

      Yes, Alexis has no need to get rattled when she knows and is telling the TRUTH!!

  64. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 4:03 pm

    Trial Diva Sharee™ ‏@TrialDivasS 2m
    Black book, green book, red book, the fact is she wrote it down….#MartinMacneill

  65. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 4:04 pm

    DoctorGooFee ‏@DoctorGooFee 1m
    #martinmacneill Ok..I figured out “Law School”..they tell you “No Human Can Remember Exactly..& can’t believe they Can’t remember Exactly”

  66. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 4:05 pm

    MMD :JINGASAURUS ‏@Jinga_saurus 30sThank you donkey teeth for opening the door. The prosecution will get to explain the whole scam #martinmacneill & gypsy tried & got busted

    Hope the Prosecution caught that and sees the open door and goes for it!! Donkey Teeth did that before and when he objected the judge told him, “you opened the door!!” The look on his face was priceless!!

    • essem58
      10/30/2013 at 4:15 pm

      Stable door is open!

  67. Marilyn N
    10/30/2013 at 4:16 pm

    Give it up Donkey Bob!!

  68. 10/30/2013 at 4:17 pm

    just snorted beer thru my nose, Alexis, referring to ds, says “whatever her name is”

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/30/2013 at 4:21 pm

      Yea….that was a good one! Did you see her laugh and say something to that dried up ol fart! Wish we could read lips!!

  69. Marilyn N
    10/30/2013 at 4:20 pm

    Stupid “Ass” that’s the way most people start a bath!!

  70. 10/30/2013 at 4:22 pm

    A Bob oops. Alexis says that not true in response to his question and instead of challenging her he moves on to something else.

  71. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 4:22 pm

    OMG!! You stupid Jackass…..give it up!! The jury probably isn’t even listening to you! And now constipation questions!!

  72. Marilyn N
    10/30/2013 at 4:23 pm

    O M G ! ! This is getting past ridiculous!!!

  73. essem58
    10/30/2013 at 4:24 pm

    Are you looking for left over stool softeners Donkey?

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/30/2013 at 4:27 pm

      yea…..he’s looking for something up his wazzoo….something’s stuck and it’s probably his head!! Somebody give him a stool softener!!

  74. Marilyn N
    10/30/2013 at 4:24 pm

    Oh let him keep going. He might open up some more doors!

  75. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 4:29 pm

    OMG is he now going to replay part of what she said at the funeral?????????

  76. essem58
    10/30/2013 at 4:33 pm

    Lets talk about the eulogy given by Marty where he talked only about himself. Jury will love that!

  77. Marilyn N
    10/30/2013 at 4:37 pm

    Could someone please tell me what the Donkey’s point is?????

    • MMD
      10/30/2013 at 4:41 pm

      He doesn’t have one.

  78. 10/30/2013 at 4:38 pm

    I know we’re all pro prosecution here but I’m asking, can anyone look at today’s testimony objectively and explain how the defense is making any headway – cause it’s beyond me what they are trying to accomplish.

    • MMD
      10/30/2013 at 4:42 pm

      When you are unable to impeach you deflect, which is what this loser is doing now.

    • Marilyn N
      10/30/2013 at 4:43 pm


  79. Marilyn N
    10/30/2013 at 4:45 pm

    Donkey sounds like a bratty little kid having an argument, “well you did THIS, and you did THAT – na naaaa na naaaaa na!!!

  80. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 4:45 pm

    PK ‏@PattyKrtz 1m
    #MartinMacNeill Dear Mr. Spencer, We DON’T care about this nit-picky crap you’re inflicting on us. Sit down & shut UP. Signed, the Jury

  81. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 4:45 pm

    CC ‏@courtchatter 3m
    Alexis says she obviously put the times down wrong in her statement. She didn’t have her phone logs at that time.

  82. essem58
    10/30/2013 at 4:46 pm

    Alexis got the time zones wrong OMG she can’t be trusted with anything. .. I think that’s his point

  83. Marilyn N
    10/30/2013 at 4:47 pm

    Customer Care??? W H A ????????

  84. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 4:52 pm

    Hear that loud whooshing sound!? That’s Jackass’s career going down the shitter! What criminal needing a defense attorney is going to call him!

  85. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 4:52 pm

    Debbie Allen ‏@GoDeb32 1m
    #martinmacneill I think he is not guilty of killing his wife, I do think he’s guilty of raising 4 ungrateful children.

    Sound like perhaps another mistress who is more current??????????? WTF

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/30/2013 at 4:53 pm

      Probably one of thos groupies who like criminals in jail then go on to marry them while they’re locked up! That’s one lonely hearts club for losers!!

    • 10/30/2013 at 5:08 pm

      being simpleminded she clearly made a mistake and ended up in the wrong place, she was looking for the JA is innocent site.

  86. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 4:54 pm

    Six Jones ‏@Six_Jones 2m
    @berryluv2luvme I suspect Smiley might rapidly be reaching the point where jury changes frm bored to angry. #MartinMacNeill

  87. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 4:58 pm

    Thank GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He gave me a headache. I just don’t know how Alexis is holding up or the jury! They must be going nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kudos to Alexis. She has been terrific!!

    • essem58
      10/30/2013 at 5:04 pm

      Yes Alexis is the strength of this family. I bet he hates her.

  88. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 5:04 pm

    Way to give it back to them Alexis!! You go Girl!! Wait until Jackass gets home and reads all the messages about his cross going nowhere and how bored the jury was!! He won’t need a stool softener then!!

    • 10/30/2013 at 5:13 pm

      or maybe he will, I’d be shitting bricks if I were in his position, thinking about how I’d screwed this up.

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        10/30/2013 at 5:26 pm

        Ha ha ha…..yea…bricks!! For sure he’s going to need softners or a full blown enema!!

  89. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 5:30 pm

    Ha ha ha…..seems this guy looks like a lot of characters….pick one…they all fit!!

    ESNEET4113 ‏@esneet4113 27m This all they got?? #MartinMacNeill lawyer ain’t got shit!Alexis is wiping the floor with this doof! If u put floppy ears on him,he’s GOOFY!

  90. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 5:36 pm

    See….we said the same thing! That Miss Piggy had to have had a face job. Her face looks terrible. That’s the first thing we noticed when trial started! Her lip alone look like they over injected them! The rest of her face is all puffy like she has implants in her checks! Wow….if she looks like crap now, wth did she look like before!!

    Nicole ‏@LadyJustice2188 8m I wonder if #martinmacneill paid for his lawyer’s facelift cause she DEF has had one. and a bad one at that!

  91. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 5:38 pm

    Beans :being simpleminded she clearly made a mistake and ended up in the wrong place, she was looking for the JA is innocent site.

    Is there an MM is Innocent site? Oh no wait….don’t they just do that for women just to solicit money from men????

  92. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 5:44 pm

    Boy we really hope the Prosecution will now bring up about the fraud charges against that fool and his mistress now that the Defense opened the door by questioning Alexis about her suing her father and what was going on about the house after Michele’s death. Let this Jackass stay up there longer and the more he talks the more doors he’s going to open. Go after it Prosecution!!

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