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Martin MacNeill Murder Trial – Day 8

10/30/2013

I was truly saddened by the police interview with 7 year-old Ada MacNeill.  Anytime she was asked a question about her father, Ada would reply, “I don’t want to talk about it.”  On top of that, she said she felt ‘safe’ living with Alexis.  That just speaks volumes!  There must have been some kind of terror going on in that house.

Housekeeping.  Now all inmates are saying they are afraid to be identified for their safety.  Pros want all inmates to be known only by a number.

State calls Vanessa MacNeill.  She is Ada’s real mother, but due to drug addiction her parents took her.  MacNeill once made a statement he wanted to kill her for the shame she brought on the family.

She’s nervous as hell and is on the verge of tears.

Says she and her dad got along when she was growing up.

She was not living at home in 2007.

She was convicted for possession of heroin in 2011.

She found out about her mom’s death by a phone call from Damien.

She arrived at her parent’s house.  All the kids where there except Rachel.

Her father gave her mom’s cell phone to use.  There were several voice mails from her father.  He was telling Michele to stay in bed and not be moving around or go anywhere.

After your mom died did you volunteer to take care of the kids?  Yes.

What did your father say?  Everybody needed to get on with their lives and he was going to hire a nanny.

Did you interview potential applicants?  Yes, but only one showed up.  It was Gypsy.

She called Alexis and said not to worry.  She asked if her name was Gypsy.  I said no it was Jillian.

Cross…

Alexis was present during the interview with investigators?  I don’t remember.

State calls Sabrina MacNeill.  She was from the Ukraine

She was adopted by the MacNeill‘s when she was 11.

She said growing up in that house was just wonderful.

She was at school and a friend picked up she and Ada.  Eventually she went home when she found out her mom died.

A couple of weeks later her father introduced her to Gypsy as their new nanny.  Gypsy did nothing as a nanny as she recalls.

She spoke with her mom the morning she died just before she left for school.

Cross…

Your dad was the one who told you your mother died?  Yes.

He was upset?  He had a towel over his face.

He was crying?  I don’t know.

Gustin is doing her hardest to impeach her on the interview he did 5 years ago and she was just a kid.  Sabrina doesn’t remember a lot of this.

Jury questions…

Do you remember how you got to school on April 11?  I think it was my dad who dropped me off.

Recess for 10 minutes.

Long sidebar about this next witness.

State calls Anna Walthall.  Another mistress.

She started an affair with MacNeill in 2005.  It ended in October 2005.

MacNeill told her the process of how to make someone have a heat attack.  There is something you can give someone that isn’t detectable.

When you moved, did you and MacNeill talk about him moving with you?  Yes, but he made no commitment.

Cross…

You had dreams about this case?  Yes.

You told investigators there was evidence on a computer in your dream?  Yes.

She has multiple personality disorder!

You told investigators you wanted MacNeill to be found guilty of Michele’s death?  Probably.

State calls Alexis Somers.

She is a doctor in a health clinic doing family practice.

Growing up she had a close relationship with her father.

April 11 she recalls being in school and called home and her father said her mother was in the tub and not breathing.

She immediately flew home.

The beginning of April she flew home on spring break because her mother was going to have a facelift.

Says MacNeill was using a PDR at the house making a list of drugs he wanted Dr. Thompson to prescribe.

After Michele’s surgery, Michele wanted to stay over night and not make the hour drive home.  MacNeill got angry.

When Michele came home Alexis was being her caregiver.

She cared for her mom the day of April 4, but that night MacNeill said he would take over the care and insisted Alexis leave.  The next morning she saw her mom and found her overly medicated.

MacNeill said he probably overmedicated Michele.

Alexis was documenting all the meds, blood pressure, what she eating, etc.

When Michele was finally lucid, Alexis asked her what happened.  Michele said MacNeill just kept giving her medication.  She didn’t want MacNeill to give her any more medication and asked Alexis to take out all the pills so she could feel what the felt like so she would know what they were.

Michele progressed very well and was out and about.

The black book Alexis was documenting the drugs in disappeared on April 11!

Alexis says Michele never needed Phenergen, Ambien, or Valium.

Holy cow!

Alexis spoke to her mom early in the morning of the 11th and Michele was happy and upbeat.

When she got home the night of the 11th she went to her parents bedroom to get the medication and saw the room had been cleared out.  The hospital bed was gone, the meds were gone, the black book was gone as well as stuffed animals that had been in the room.

She asked her dad where the meds were and he said maybe the police took them.

She first met Gypsy at the family home and MacNeill said she was the nanny.

She knew About Gypsy a few days before her mom died.  Her parents were arguing about her.  Michele accused him of having an affair.

In the home, Alexis never saw Gypsy perform any duties that a nanny would perform.  She told her father she knew he was having an affair with Gypsy.  Her father got irate.

Lunch called.

Cross…

You have been very involved with the investigators?  Correct.

You also went to many media outlets?  Correct.

You shared emails with your memories of facts?  Yes.

You sat in on an interview with Rachel?  Yes.

You sat in on an interview with Vanessa also?  Yes.

An interview with Linda Cluff?  Correct.

Defense is cherry picking from shortened versions of reports.

You spoke for sometime about the over medication?  Yes on the 4th.

You said it took a whole day for your other to become lucid?  Yes.

You also told 20/20 the same thing?  Yes.

Def pushing hard to say Alexis has been inconsistent in her statements.

Spencer is going through numerous interviews line-by-line and is all over the freakin place.  He’s getting nowhere fast by spinning wheels.

I’m not getting it because it sounds like all of this is lining up with her story.

Alexis has been cool and collected as a witness.  Don’t know how she is keeping her cool because I’m pulling my hair out!

Spencer keeps taking things out of context and trying to put words in Alexis’ mouth.

OMG, Spencer has driven me close to sticking a pen in my eye!

Jury question…Alexis, do you hate Mr. Spencer?

Spencer has so blown this.  The jury is yawning, rubbing their eyes, not taking notes, and looking all over the place.  Way to go Spence!

Waiting for Judge Pullan to jump the bench and throttle Spencer.

Lord, Spencer now says he has another 30 to 40 minutes.  Court is called to continue tomorrow.

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  1. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 5:20 pm

    Once again thank you donchais!!! I have no idea how you managed to refrain from sticking a pin in your eye. This Spencer is a piece of work and he said that he only needed 45 minutes for cross and look how long it took. He’ll either go all morning or else just ask a couple of questions.

    Alexis is the absolute star of this family. She has held it together and somehow managed to completely fend off Smiley while the rest of us watching were going crazy. To take on the responsibility of her siblings, be the executor of her mother’s estate, to continue the fight for justice, continue and complete her studies and now be a practicing physician who just had twins, all I can say is that she has some kind of inner strength and perseverance for someone so young. Her mother would be so proud of her.

    My heart broke for both Vanessa and Sabrina. I hope Vanessa is able to continue with her sobriety and good for her. Sabrina is wise beyond her years and what she endured before she was adopted by the MacNeill family is a testament to her inner strength.

    It is so obvious that Michele MacNeill was a loving mother who adored her children and still lives on in their daily lives. Too bad she had such a rat bastard as a husband!!!!!

    • donchais
      10/30/2013 at 5:48 pm

      IMHO, if I were the pros, when the doofus is done on cross, I’d say no redirect and let the jury live with the swill Spencer laid out. There is nothing needed to rehabilitate Alexis. She held her own with grace and dignity.

      • 10/30/2013 at 5:57 pm

        ditto, Alexis kicked Bob’s butt. She was unshakable in her basic testimony and nitpicking over minor details won’t change the facts – “my father killed my mother”.

      • MMD
        10/30/2013 at 6:29 pm

        double ditto

  2. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 5:24 pm

    I’m so glad that they broke when they did so that Alexis will be able to have a good rest before having to testify again.

  3. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 5:27 pm

    Here is a link to a 2010 article which while providing background, talks about how Michele’s mother worried that Martin would one day kill her. Her mother was so concerned, and rightfully so, about her new son-in-law.

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700088382/Martin-MacNeill-Was-his-wife-Micheles-death-accidental-or-was-it-murder.html?pg=all

  4. MMD
    10/30/2013 at 5:29 pm

    Donchais I guess it’s just you and me here now. The others must have fallen asleep listening to that dipshit go on and on and on!!! 😉

  5. ritanita
    10/30/2013 at 5:59 pm

    Fact: MM overdosed his wife with meds when he shooed Alexis off to bed.

    Impeachment: What time was your mother completely lucid? You said this, you said that!

    Total flop for 2 reasons. First, one does not come out of a drug-induced stupor all of a sudden. Groggy, less groggy, least groggy, more lucid, completely lucid. Alexis’ various reports fit neatly into the timeline she gave.

    Second, nobody has total recall of every nano-second of their lives.

    Real Impeachment: If Spencer could have proved that Alexis lied about her mother being over-dosed by her “loving” husband, who happens to be a doctor.

    So far in this entire proceeding, Spencer has not truly impeached a single witness other than about miniscule factoids that make no difference to the case.

    Let’s hope the remainder of his cross is over soon and we can move on to jury questions, if they have any. I think they “get” what Spencer’s doing…

    • 10/30/2013 at 6:20 pm

      Right on ritanita – dead nuts accurate.

    • MMD
      10/30/2013 at 6:35 pm

      I totally agree and you know even more what a total flop it is when your wife and son leave before they are totally humiliated.

      I saw a good tweet today by someone who said something to the effect that MM must have really economized when he picked these attorneys. They are certainly not living up to their self proclaimed promises and accolades.

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        10/30/2013 at 6:47 pm

        We were wondering the same thing! We wondered how much these attorneys are getting paid to do this poorly executed defense. Was this their game plan from the start? If so…..is this all they got???

      • 10/30/2013 at 6:58 pm

        they know there is no case, that’s why they’re nitpicking.

      • cathyn518
        10/30/2013 at 7:48 pm

        this is total amateur hour. Does the good Doctor have a death wish? Why would he hire such ineffective counsel? He may be a narcissistic sociopath but stupid? He is an MD and a JD, you would think he would retain the best available representation.

      • ritanita
        10/31/2013 at 7:15 am

        Don’t ask me where this came from, but I distinctly remember that these attorneys are pro-bono. The reason I remember is that I kept wondering where all of MM’s money went.

        Maybe defending himself in his other cases? Attorney’s eat money for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

        Oh, and Good Morning to all!

  6. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 6:32 pm

    Good summary Donchais!! Straight and to the point….unlike Howdy Doody!! Wow….what a waste of an afternoon! W’ree betting that if he comes back with the same nonsense tomorrow morning that jury is going to get pissed off for wasting valuable court time and their time! He may cause more damage to his client just by wasting time with this page by page word by word nonsense. Huge hugs to Alexis for standing her ground with him and making him look like the fool that he is!! Wonder if the defense clowns will change places tomorrow after Howdy Doody reads what everyone has to say about him??!!

    • MMD
      10/30/2013 at 6:37 pm

      I don’t think they can change attorneys once they start cross but after they see the comments I bet their strategy will definitely change – at least if they’re smart and that’s questionable!

  7. ByeByeJA
    10/30/2013 at 7:03 pm

    Just getting started on the cross of Alexis….this guys voice is annoying enough….

  8. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 8:16 pm

    We were curious about Damien’s suicide and we found this link on the Twitter chat screen. Very interesting how the defense attorney’s were first saying that Damien may have had something to do with Michele’s murder yet now they’re saying there was no murder. Can they stoop any lower?!! We found the document on Court Chatter dtd 10/4/13:

    Is Dr. Martin MacNeill a serial killer or just surrounded by death?

    Damian MacNeill
    Damian MacNeill, the only son of Martin and Michele MacNeill committed suicide on Jan 16, 2010, a little less than 3 years after his mother’s death. He father is currently awaiting trial having been charged with the murder of his wife.

    Damian believed his father was innocent and was not involved in his mother’s death. This kept him estranged from his sisters. Even though it was Damian that got the knife out of his father’s hand back in 2000 when Martin had threatened to kill Michele and himself after he had been caught looking at pornography, he still didn’t believe his father had murdered his mother.

    Damian was there the day that Michele was found dead in the bathtub of her Pleasant Grove home in 2007. Martin asked Damian to count all the pills and write down what they were with the quantities and then asked Damian’s girlfriend to flush them.

    In a motion to the court on Dec 17, 2012, MacNeill’s defense attorneys suggest that Damian may have been involved in his mother’s murder. In the motion, among other things, it states, “Investigators in the Utah County Attorney’s Office deemed (Damian MacNeill) to be a very dangerous individual who possessed homicidal impulses and discussed the ‘joys of killing. Damian was present in Pleasant Grove on the date of his mother’s death.” And yet defense attorneys claim that Michele’s death was not a homicide. Is the defense throwing what they can at the wall to see what will stick?

    Damian’s facebook posts the days leading up to his suicide suggest a man who was struggling with the loss of his mother and the possibility that his father could have been involved.

    Jan 15, 2010 Damian posted a video he had made of his mother and posted “Do not cry. Mother is absent. Mother shall come back.”

    The next post says, “They’re all here, aren’t they? All the ghosts…All the ghosts are assembling for the party!”
    And his final facebook post before his suicide reads, “I don’t think I can make it to the party”

    Reading those words sent chills through my body. My heart breaks for Damian who appeared to just love both his parents. Did Damien commit suicide because he finally believed his father was responsible for his mother’s death?

    How much more death has Martin MacNeill left in his wake? Well, if you believe another mistress of his…….plenty.

    Anna Osbourne Walthall says she also had an affair with MacNeill in 2005. She testified on Oct 3, 2012 that Martin told her he tried to kill his mom when he was 8 years old. While his mother was passed out drunk, he gathered medications in the house and put them in her beer. He then helped his mother drink until she stopped breathing. His sister called 911 and his mother was revived, according to testimony from Walthall. She says when she asked him if he had regretted that, he stated that he regretted there weren’t more drugs in the house.

    She also testified that he told her he had killed his brother by submerging him in the bathtub. His brother had repeatedly tried to commit suicide and had become an embarrassment. FACT: Rufus Roy MacNeill was found dead in his bathtub in New Jersey. However, at Michele’s funeral, Martin said that Roy was found with a needle still in his arm “Ten nickel bags were his ticket out”. He went on to say that his sister died in her 20’s by strangling herself, his oldest brother drank himself senseless, had a stroke and died in a nursing home. Another brother died in 2006, Martin claims from drugs and alcohol. And yet another brother committed suicide two months before Michele’s death.

    Another story he told Anna was that he had written an anonymous article in a medical journal about how to induce a heart attack and make it appear natural. FACT: Michele MacNeill’s first autopsy report said she died of Mycarditis (inflammation of the heart).

    More stories, according to Walthall, claim that Dr. MacNeill bragged of killing patients at the Utah State Developmental Center in American Fork. The center’s patients have “intellectual disabilities”. He told her if he was ever caught he would NOT plead insane. When she asked him why not, he replied, “Because I always know exactly what I’m doing”.

    Judge Pullan in a pre-trial hearing ruled that the statement regarding his brother, mother and former patients will not be admitted. However, Walthall can testify as to the the statement, “I know how to cause death by administering potassium….undetected” High levels of potassium was found in Michele’s blood.

    While on cross examination, MacNeill’s defense attorneys brought out Walthall’s mental health history.

    We may never know what is true and what is not, however his daughters are convinced that he did kill patients.

    • 10/31/2013 at 6:09 am

      Nice find CCC, thanks.

  9. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/30/2013 at 8:23 pm

    Tribute to Damien from his Sisters. No where do they mention that dirt bag father. Good! MM has left a trail of death behind him!! So sad for the family!!
    *************************************************************************************************
    Damian Alexander MacNeill We are all drawn to the light, like a moth to the flame our souls yearn for the peace that only light brings. As one of his parting testaments to the world Damian quoted the song Thula Mtwana “Do Not Cry, Mother Is Absent, Mother Shall Come Back”. January 16, 2010 Damian returned home into his loving Mother’s arms. Light heals all sadness. Light heals all pain. Damian brought to this earth gifts he gave freely… His gift of humor as he cheered and excited our hearts. His gift of beauty as he shared the music, film, and dance that shaped our lives. His gift of compassion as he reminded us of charity. His gift of empathy as he felt and knew our pain. His proud and eternal family include his mother Michele, and his sisters Rachel, Vanessa, Alexis, Elle, Sabrina and Ada. His friends throughout his life and travels stand in many states and continents all over the world. All of us mourning the loss of one we find with mere words impossible to describe. You would have had to laugh with him, talk with him, dance with him, share with him, weep with him, and love with him to catch the faintest glimpse of the child, the poet, the dreamer, the man. Damian was blessed with a mother who taught him the true meaning of love. The true meaning of life. The truth… Together we will live forever. Funeral services for Damian will be held Saturday, January 30, 2010 at 2:00 p.m. in the Highland LDS Chapel, 5848 West 11000 North, Highland. Interment will be in the Highland City Cemetery under the direction of Olpin Family Mortuary, Pleasant Grove. Condolences may be sent to http://www.damianmacneill.com created in loving memory of Damian Alexander MacNeill.

  10. cathyn518
    10/30/2013 at 8:27 pm

    Ci Ci,
    truly chilling read. I have grave concern that if he is let out, he will kill again. I would also fear for the safety of his children who have testified against him-especially Alexis!

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/30/2013 at 8:31 pm

      We do too! We’ve thought that if he doesn’t get put away this time those girls should fear for their lives. You never know if he comes creepin’ around or spying on them and my do them harm! This creep brags of his capabilities to kill….who does that?!!

  11. Anonymous
    10/30/2013 at 8:58 pm

    He is a monster! Didn’t he sexually abuse one of the girls as well? He is capable of true evil without bounds. I wouldn’t doubt that he would be found guilty if I hadn’t been so sure that Casey Anthony would have been found guilty and saw how wrong I could be.

    • MMD
      10/31/2013 at 10:25 am

      Yes although we will never know the extent of it. He has a sex abuse trial coming up in December.

      • MMD
        10/31/2013 at 10:26 am

        😳 sorry, I didn’t see the CiCi’s Circle had answered below.

      • MMD
        10/31/2013 at 10:27 am

        double oops – sorry – essem posted below!!!!!!!! I need to go back to bed!!! 😦

  12. Winnie
    10/30/2013 at 11:39 pm

    With all the evidence against Martin MacNeill, I don’t see how he could get away. My hope is that he will be locked up forever. Security must be provided for his children. MM is a mad man and you know what mad man can do.

  13. 10/31/2013 at 2:00 am

    are the prisoners he was in with testifying tomorrow?

    • MMD
      10/31/2013 at 10:23 am

      Hiya Mel – I think they said either Fri or maybe Tuesday altho that could be the medical examiners. I think they will discuss it when they do their housekeeping first thing this morning.

      • 10/31/2013 at 3:41 pm

        thank you

  14. essem58
    10/31/2013 at 5:38 am

    Don’t know if you found this and posted yet Beans I recall you said you were going to research it. The charges against MM for sexual misconduct involved Alexis. Extract from Deseret News article:

    But the alleged abuse wasn’t just outside the family. Martin also has a case pending in court for sexual abuse of Alexis.

    “Alexis stated there had been two incidents where she had been fondled by her father” within three months of her mother’s passing, a police report states.

    Martin admitted in a recorded phone call with Alexis that he inappropriately touched her while she was sleeping because he thought Alexis was his wife.

    “Mr. MacNeill was reported to have told his daughters that even though his wife is dead, he is still a sexual person and has desires that need to be met,” according to Pleasant Grove police records.

    YOU DISGUSTING DOG!!

    • 10/31/2013 at 6:07 am

      Thanks essem,Just finished reading the article, MMD posted a link to it above.

  15. essem58
    10/31/2013 at 7:11 am

    Oops, it’s been a long day. Looks like we’ve all got this covered.

  16. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 10:18 am

    Morning all. Have a totally o/t comment to make – Yay Sox!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry Beans)

    • 10/31/2013 at 10:26 am

      You’re not sorry at all – you just like being cruel.

      • MMD
        10/31/2013 at 10:30 am

        I know but I still love ya darlin’ 😀

  17. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 10:20 am

    Wow, just turned on my live feeds and got a commercial to save 50% off at Utah Cosmetic Surgeries. Like that would ever happen 🙄

    • 10/31/2013 at 10:27 am

      that right there is what you call your irony.

      • MMD
        10/31/2013 at 10:30 am

        LOL

  18. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 10:34 am

    I don’t know about anyone else but this trial is even affecting my dreams and more so than JA/Travis did. I guess because the scope of what this man is capable of, which we will never know the full extent, is horrific. No one will be safe if this man able to get off. I wouldn’t mind a bit of prison justice taking place – nope, not at all.

  19. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 10:39 am

    Miss Piggy must be getting her hair fixed after all the comments.

  20. Marilyn N
    10/31/2013 at 10:43 am

    Morning!
    Sounds like a wonderful group of guys the ol’Doc lives with!
    Maybe they should just forget having those inmates.
    Sounds risky to me!!

    • MMD
      10/31/2013 at 10:48 am

      Morning Marilyn 🙂

  21. 10/31/2013 at 10:50 am

    So, what’s the basis for this argument if their identities are already known by the other inmates? I don’t trust jailhouse snitches anyway.

  22. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 10:52 am

    Not too smart today so bear with me. Did CNN agree just not to show their faces/names or are we not going to hear their testimony at all???

    Help please!!!

    • 10/31/2013 at 11:02 am

      Think the judge is still deciding but not certain.

      • MMD
        10/31/2013 at 11:10 am

        OK so no names or faces but we get to hear testimony.

      • 10/31/2013 at 11:12 am

        I can live with that, don’t need to see them.

  23. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 11:14 am

    Good for Alexis – “Oh so you’re correcting yourself” to Smiley Bob! Great dig!

  24. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 11:18 am

    Gawd, we’re back to semantics again!!! Give it a rest Bob. You’re really going to tick off the jury.

  25. 10/31/2013 at 11:20 am

    Really Bob, your whole strategy is to keep harping on inconsequential things?

  26. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 11:25 am

    Ah Geeezzzz……somebody get this clown back in his seat or take him out in the hall and beat the hell out of him!! What a way to start the morning!! It’ll be interesting if this fool is the one interviewing the convicts…..maybe they’ll scare the hell out of him!

    • 10/31/2013 at 11:27 am

      Morning ladies, hope everyone is feeling feisty today.

  27. 10/31/2013 at 11:31 am

    Morning everyone. Happy Halloween! I’ve had one eye on the trial, but have been concentrating on my own writing. I’ve been reading the CFJ along with the trial, too. Don’t think I’ve abandoned you good people. Just been trying to take care of myself as we wait for the next phase of the JA vortex.

    Also, we all seem to be on different schedules. I’ll check back in later today. Hope you are all well, and you have my best regards.

    BB

    • 10/31/2013 at 11:35 am

      back atcha bubbs.

    • MMD
      10/31/2013 at 11:47 am

      Glad to hear from you Bubble. {{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}

  28. 10/31/2013 at 11:39 am

    Alexis is remarkable, she is adroitly deflecting everything Bob throws at her imo.

  29. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 11:41 am

    Ha ha ha ha…..”the anethesiologist was very comfortable with her blood pressure right?”….Alexis: “I don’t know you’ll have to ask him”….ah ha ha ha….good one!!

  30. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 11:47 am

    Beans :Morning ladies, hope everyone is feeling feisty today.

    Good Morning All! Well they’re on their way but our “seccatary of the day” is here with me (Ci Ci) right now. We’ve had our coffee already, but she’s asking for a shot of something in hers if she’s going to have to listen to this clown so early in the morning! She says, “he’s enough to drive anybody to drink this early in the morning!” Ha Ha ha…..she’s already fiesty….she wants to beat him up….she says to tell you, “she can take him!” Ha ha ha….such craziness so early in the morning!!

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/31/2013 at 11:49 am

      I’m taking over! Ci Ci burned one of my pancakes she was making! I told her I was going to tell everybody!

      • 10/31/2013 at 11:53 am

        Burning pancakes is clearly a crime against humanity, sounds like someone needs a timeout in the corner.

    • MMD
      10/31/2013 at 11:50 am

      Well according to your rule, no alcohol until you’ve eaten so once you’ve had breakfast, even if it’s just coffee, I think she’s good to go. 😀 This attorney truly does bring out the worst in all of us. I think I’ll hit the Halloween candy!

    • 10/31/2013 at 11:50 am

      Then she should go for it, just remember to video the beatdown so we can all enjoy it afterwards.

  31. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 11:47 am

    I am so over this cross. It is totally pointless.

  32. 10/31/2013 at 11:58 am

    Rats, took a potty break and missed what the judge was saying – what happened?

  33. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 12:03 pm

    Beans :Burning pancakes is clearly a crime against humanity, sounds like someone needs a timeout in the corner.

    OMG!! She just burned another one!! At this rate we’re going to starve!! Get with the program woman!! She’s over there laughing her head off! Well she’s eating those burned ones! WTH is going on in this courtroom!! Another break?! This guy is boring everyone to death!

  34. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 12:05 pm

    Ben Winslow ‏@BenWinslow 6m

    Defense is alleging Alexis couldn’t get the records herself, so she got a doctor friend to get them for her. @fox13now #MartinMacNeill

    • 10/31/2013 at 12:08 pm

      So what? – am I missing something here?

      • MMD
        10/31/2013 at 12:11 pm

        No, I just reposted what came from one of the livefeeds. I told you I’m not functioning at 100% today!!! 🙄

      • MMD
        10/31/2013 at 12:12 pm

        I’m just the messenger darlin’. All messed up because MM got into my dreams last night!!! 😦

      • 10/31/2013 at 12:14 pm

        I didn’t mean you toots, I was referring to the relevance of Bob going after Alexis on this.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/31/2013 at 12:12 pm

      What’s the big frickin’ deal! It was her mother’s record! Let’s talk about all the falsification he and that Bimbo did!

      • 10/31/2013 at 12:18 pm

        ‘zactly, let’s talk about all the witness’ medical files the defense has gotten their grubby paws on and are parading around in court.

  35. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 12:07 pm

    Trial Diva Jen ™ ‏@TrialDivasJ
    OK another recess while state marks some exhibits..#MartinMacNeill

  36. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 12:14 pm

    MMD :I’m just the messenger darlin’. All messed up because MM got into my dreams last night!!!

    That was no dream, that was a NIGHTMARE!!

  37. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 12:15 pm

    Wow do all the sisters ever look alike!!!!

  38. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 12:18 pm

    Nicole ‏@LadyJustice2188 1m
    Damn you would think all this stuff could be done when they’re done EVERYDAY at 3:00?!?!

    Obviously they’ve never sat in Judge Stevens courtroom!!! This testimony is going at a lightening pace compared to that other courtroom, between sidebars, short hours, migraines, long lunches, ………………………………………….

  39. 10/31/2013 at 12:26 pm

    Huh, I thought the rat bastard was on trial here, not Alexis.

  40. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 12:26 pm

    OMG!! This is the 3rd time he’s gone around about this! She’s not the criminal….his client is!!

  41. Schaeffer
    10/31/2013 at 12:31 pm

    Is it just me, or does the defense attorney look a lot like Eric Menendez?

    • 10/31/2013 at 12:35 pm

      Good call, he does but with jacked-up teef.

  42. ByeByeJA
    10/31/2013 at 12:31 pm

    This attorney should be admonished for laughing and smiling at Alexis when he thinks he’s got her in a corner….what an ASS!!!!

  43. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 12:32 pm

    So if this is such a big deal to Howdy Doody then file charges against her and GET ON WITH IT FATHEAD!! So BIG FRICKIN’ DEAL!!

  44. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 12:32 pm

    Schaeffer :Is it just me, or does the defense attorney look a lot like Eric Menendez?

    He looks like a lot of things!

  45. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 12:34 pm

    Bob: You’ve made up this story since…………………………….. (with pen pointing)
    ROFL

  46. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 12:34 pm

    That’s right Donkey Face……try to get nasty with her and see where it gets you with the jury! They don’t like you as it is…..our gut is telling us so!!

  47. Marilyn N
    10/31/2013 at 12:34 pm

    Ooooooohhhh! Bob isn’t smiling now! He is downright pissed off!!

    • 10/31/2013 at 12:39 pm

      It’s pretty ironic that he’s getting all worked up trying to make Alexis out to be a liar given who his client is.

      • MMD
        10/31/2013 at 12:49 pm

        Exactly!!!!!!!!!!

  48. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 12:37 pm

    “to the best of your ability” pretty vague in my book Bob. Getting pretty desperate aren’t ya!!!!!!!!!!

  49. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 12:38 pm

    Are these 2 yahoos going to represent MM in the abuse trial as well?????????

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/31/2013 at 1:03 pm

      Maybe the female loon might since that’s the type of cases she handles. Someone else mentioned that she’s the same kind of attorney Nurm the Wurm is.

      • 10/31/2013 at 1:11 pm

        Bob may have a history with that type of client as well. There’s a story around about a previous sex offender he represented but I don’t have a link at this time. I’ll search for it later.

  50. ritanita
    10/31/2013 at 12:40 pm

    OMG! Telling her she lied on her med school application. Then his toothy smile of smug self-satisfaction!

    I want to barf. Donchais, where did you hide the bags???

  51. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 12:41 pm

    OMG!! What a clown!! Bet his client told him she asked him to write a recommendation for her!! Helloooooo…..your client is a liar and you stand there trying to make yourself look good nit picking all that paperwork to death!!

  52. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 12:41 pm

    Complete jackass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  53. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 12:41 pm

    Hooooorayyyyy!! Sit your funky ass down!!

  54. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 12:44 pm

    Ah ha ha ha ha……shutup jackass…..you opened a lot of doors!!

  55. 10/31/2013 at 12:44 pm

    nice try Bob, you opened the door – another right-on re-direct from this pros.

  56. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 12:50 pm

    Why would these defense attorneys take his case pro bono??? Because they’re trying to make a name for themselves to get clientele through their door!! Couple of sorry assed LOONS!! He was trying to go all “Juan” on her and he fell flat on his face!!

    • ritanita
      10/31/2013 at 1:10 pm

      BINGO!

  57. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 12:53 pm

    Beans :Good call, he does but with jacked-up teef.

    “Teef”….ha ha ha….good one!! Just catching up with everyone’s comments above!

    • 10/31/2013 at 1:02 pm

      Thanks, but all credit goes to eggtree, who used to run another blog about the trial of stabby einstein(that was hers too). Referring to Dr. Richard Samuels, she called him Boss Hogg with the jacked-up teef.

  58. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 1:00 pm

    Ya know…..why would he give out money to his older children like he did before their mother’s death!?? Our take….he was already planning in 2007 when he handed out those checks! He re-did his will leaving them only a $1 and put that house in the Bimbo’s name. We think his thoughts at the time he handed out those checks was “this is all they’re getting” and then moved on with Bimbo to plan Michele’s death. We sooooo think that Bimbo was a conspirator to all this!!

    • MMD
      10/31/2013 at 1:16 pm

      Oh I think she was a total conspirator in all this. For all we know, she could have been at the house that morning before MM and Ada got back from school.

    • 10/31/2013 at 1:16 pm

      Diito re: bimbo’s involvement – it would be nice if investigators would continue looking into it and see if they could find something to tie her to Michele’s death and drag her back into court. she shouldn’t be allowed to walk away from this.

  59. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 1:16 pm

    It’s too bad the jury won’t know everything this guy did until after their verdict and they’re free from jury duty!! This guy is a big time criminal and loser! If they get this verdict wrong imagine how they’re going to feel when they get online and read all about him!! Please get it right….GUILTY!!

    Can never understand why nothing can come in that shows his criminal intents and crimes he commited around this murder…..it goes to the truth of the matter doesn’t it!!? What happend to our attorney posters who were on here during the JA trial? Where’s JAD?? We need an explanation!

    • MMD
      10/31/2013 at 1:20 pm

      I think that JAD is still deep in chronicling JA. She did a couple of long posts about a week ago. I ALWAYS look forward to her comments!

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        10/31/2013 at 1:23 pm

        Yea….we read those posts…..they’re really interesting and puts things in perspective!

  60. 10/31/2013 at 1:20 pm

    Bob may need a recess to change his undies, he was getting a little excited there during his imagined “gotcha’ moment.

    • MMD
      10/31/2013 at 1:22 pm

      ROFL – yes he probably requires clean garments. 😉

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        10/31/2013 at 1:29 pm

        No wonder he walked funny on the way back to his seat! ha ha ha….he probably pissed all over himself he was so mad!!

      • 10/31/2013 at 2:15 pm

        He’s going to need a soul cleansing too.

  61. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 1:22 pm

    Beans :Bob may have a history with that type of client as well. There’s a story around about a previous sex offender he represented but I don’t have a link at this time. I’ll search for it later.

    Boy….ya gotta ask yourself how sorry is your life when you make a conscience choice to defend people who sexually assault their victims!!? That’s sick…..truly sick!!

    • 10/31/2013 at 1:43 pm

      I’ve never understood how a self-professed god-fearing person squares representing these people with their faith.

  62. 10/31/2013 at 1:24 pm

    RB’s looking a little nervous there during this timeout. He was sure laying some stink-eye on Alexis near the end of the re-direct.

  63. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 1:31 pm

    I’m so glad that the jury asked what Michele’s maiden name was so they know that Alexis chose to change her name and thus not be a MacNeill.

    • 10/31/2013 at 1:44 pm

      Yes! I laughed at that – good on ya jurors.

  64. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 1:31 pm

    How about the bad job the MEs did in their autopsy? Let’s see what their story is now! How are they going to explain their lack of detail.

    • 10/31/2013 at 1:47 pm

      it’s doable, nobody was thinking murder at the time and that was part of rb’s plan.

  65. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 2:03 pm

    Howdy Doody is going to be out of this guys league when he’s up! I wonder if he’s going to try his nit picking with him since that’s all he knows how to do!

    • 10/31/2013 at 2:05 pm

      Hah, I was just thinking the same thing – this doc is good.

  66. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 2:07 pm

    We’re anxious to hear the convicts stories. We know they’re not always credible but if any part matches anything that has been previously stated by other witnesses, then there may be some creditbiity to their testimony. Also if all 4 seem to be telling the same stories who knows…..it might just add to the evidence!

    • MMD
      10/31/2013 at 2:41 pm

      While some may be looking for just a better location you have to bear in mind that most of their crimes would be white collar, etc as it is federal. Just because they are incarcerated doesn’t mean they are going to lie. I agree, it’s going to be interesting.

      • 10/31/2013 at 3:03 pm

        think only 2 of them are federal. Still, I’m sceptical that a guy as savvy as RB is would walk into the slammer and start spilling his guts to the first mook he ran into – unless, he is such a psycho that he wanted to impress them all with his killer cred. by waving his weenie around.

      • MMD
        10/31/2013 at 3:10 pm

        What’s with you and weenie waving – that’s the second time time you’ve used that expression today. 🙄 Anything ya want to tell us darlin’ because we’re here for you!!!

      • 10/31/2013 at 3:22 pm

        my way of describing a loser/coward trying to appear tougher than he actually is around other guys by acting all studly. It’s a guy thing.

      • MMD
        10/31/2013 at 3:32 pm

        Oh, ok, if that’s all it is. 😆 ROFL

  67. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 2:26 pm

    Ya know….we’ve been talking amongst ourselves and think that Michele would not have taken all those pills a second time from the dirt bag after feeling that he may be trying to kill her so he may have injected her through one of the existing needle marks on her arm used during surgery so it could not be detected. How else could all those drugs have gotten into her system after Alexis had already brought her down to 1-2 Percocets a day before she left! Anyone else have an opinion or thoughts?

    • MMD
      10/31/2013 at 2:38 pm

      There have also been rumours of an unexplained needle mark on her hip and potassium seems to be the buzz drug as mentioned below. So far nothing more than rumours though many people were hoping that Anna, would have mentioned the drug. It was probably another thing not allowed.

  68. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 2:32 pm

    Looks like others have the same thoughts?

    Pastilla LaMannequin ‏@PastillaTru 7m Check out intravenous potassium chloride solution warnings.This could be how #MartinMacNeill did it,hard to prove? http://tinyurl.com/l9tc72k Reply Retweet Retweeted
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  69. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 3:16 pm

    Smiley Bob/Howdy Doody is 46 years old. Doesn’t he still kind of remind you of a lanky kid in his 20’s who hasn’t filled out yet?

    • MMD
      10/31/2013 at 3:16 pm

      or matured???????

      • Marilyn N
        10/31/2013 at 3:46 pm

        He acts like a dorky, skinny 10 year old!

  70. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 3:31 pm

    Really good question!!!

    Barb Caffrey ‏@BarbCaffrey 7m
    @jvelezmitchell If M. MacNeil couldn’t move his wife from the tub, how did he move that hospital bed to the garage?

  71. 10/31/2013 at 3:55 pm

    For a guy who holds everybody else up to a high standard of precise language, Bob sure seems to be struggling with his questions.

    • MMD
      10/31/2013 at 4:04 pm

      Indeed!

  72. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 4:15 pm

    Oh no….here we go with the paperwork!

  73. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 4:18 pm

    MMD :There have also been rumours of an unexplained needle mark on her hip and potassium seems to be the buzz drug as mentioned below. So far nothing more than rumours though many people were hoping that Anna, would have mentioned the drug. It was probably another thing not allowed.

    We remember her previously saying he said Potassium but it appears it wasn’t allowed here oherwise the Prosecutor would have mentioned it.

    • 10/31/2013 at 4:26 pm

      I thought Anna mentioned potassium, was that stricken from the record?

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        10/31/2013 at 4:34 pm

        We’re going to check the trial archives at WAt and replay her testimony. Some of these hens are saying they heard her say Potassium in her testimony yesterday. They’re laying their bets out now! Sheeeesh!

  74. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 4:21 pm

    Oh please you Jackass…..SIT DOWN!! You’re making a bigger fool of yourself than the last time!!

  75. 10/31/2013 at 4:21 pm

    Another language oops for Bob.

    • MMD
      10/31/2013 at 4:29 pm

      Maybe he should try Japanese after all he is fluent in that. We might not understand him but he could try going to Japan.

  76. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 4:29 pm

    Thank GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  77. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 4:37 pm

    Of which this criminal does not have……ethics….what’s that???

  78. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 4:40 pm

    Bob is sooooooooooo happy and smiley with this witness now.

  79. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 4:41 pm

    I gagged when he said “do no hard”. Hello, let’s just take a look at what MM did to Michele.

  80. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 4:44 pm

    Get this guy off. He is a pros witness but certainly not helping them. I don’t know why they didn’t exhume her body.

    • 10/31/2013 at 4:54 pm

      Well, we differ on that opinion toots.

  81. 10/31/2013 at 4:47 pm

    No Bob ,it’s not “ok”, the doc didn’t say that.

  82. 10/31/2013 at 4:50 pm

    Except when it comes to your client killing his wife – there’s no ambiguity there.

  83. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 4:52 pm

    There’s Dr. Perper in the gallery. Not many others. It has really emptied out.

  84. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 4:54 pm

    Lois Thompson ‏@mssweetnlow1 5m #MartinMacNeill def att tricky grin is to fool witness’ n trap em like a spider in a web.

    How can you not see through that fake grin on his face? Especially when he walks up, grins, and says good morning! Soooo phoney!!

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