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Martin MacNeill Murder Trial – Day 9

10/31/2013

Not for nothing, this defense is a joke.  The have offered nothing other nitpicking numerous statements made by witnesses.  Think about it.  The statements have been given over a 5 year period and each witness has given multiple statements.  Now, if each statement contained the exact same words or terminology I would question the witnesses honesty.  There is no way in all those interviews anybody would say something the exact same way.  Yet, when Spencer finds the slightest difference and takes things out of context (and they’ve all been slight and explainable) he pounces on like he’s found a smoking gun.  So, it’s defense by boredom that I’m sure isn’t lost on the jury!  Brava to Alexis for grace and dignity and being unshakable!

Discussing the two federal inmates that no longer want their names known.  They also want to be transferred to another prison in fear for their lives, however the state has no control over that.  So, all 4 inmates want the same thing.  No TV and no names.

Judge rules they will not be televised nor will their names be known.

Continuing (albeit painful) cross of Alexis Somers.

We discussed your mother’s bathing habits?  Yes.

In an email you said she would enter the tub and start the water.

You said she would take her clothes off in the bathroom before the bath.  Then you wrote another email you said she would undress in the closet.

Your description of her habits changed over time?  The closet is in the bathroom.

Ok, this is the same crap we got tortured with yesterday!  Make it stop, this proves nothing!

Again, taking things out of context and skipping all over the place, back and forth.

And, the torture continues.  Not for nothing, Spencer has gone beyond the 30-40 minutes he said he needed yesterday.

Alexis had a physician friend obtain her mom’s labs.  Spencer is hammering that it was a HIPPA violation.

Alexis listed Rachel as a reference on her med school app saying she was a nanny for her.  Rachel has no children.  Alexis did this in reference to her caring for the younger sisters.

Way to go Ace, you got little to nothing! Redirect…

Your mom’s surgery was 8 days prior to her death?  Yes.

Was she still in recovery?  She was.

Did you misrepresent information on your medical school app?  I gave Rachel as a reference, but I was taking care of my sisters.

Why did your get your mom’s labs?  Because I believe my father murdered my mom.

Pretty much, Gurander is cleaning up the mess Spencer made.  Spencer opened so many doors and Gurander is waltzing through them.  Alexis is being given the opportunity to go over the omissions Spencer created.

Great redirect!

Alexis has to be spent!

Jury questions…

Do you know Michele’s pre-marriage name was?  Somers.

Who appointed you as executor?  I believe my father drew my mom’s will up.

When you left on the 10th, did you believe your parents were leaving on a cruise that Sunday?  No.

Was your father present when your mother said she didn’t want her giving more medications?  No.

State calls Dr. Todd Grey.  ME

Going over his CV.

Are you familiar with the case of Michele MacNeill?  Yes.

This is the guy who changed to undetermined, but wouldn’t go any further as to manner.

OH!  Dr. Fricke’s report doesn’t include toxicology report!  Yikes.

Fricke said Michele died of heart disease.

Can there be differences in opinions of the existence of myocarditis? Certainly.

Can manner of death be debatable?  Yes.

He reviewed the case based on new information brought out in the case and amended the cause of death and added the drug toxicology report to his findings.

Grey says the presence of drugs were responsible for CNS depressant.

Is drowning a possibility of cause of death?  It could be.

Lunch called.

Dr. Todd Grey resumes the stand.  Direct continues.

Did you change your conclusion?  Yes to undetermined.

Dang, Goofy is up.

With or without the inclusion of drugs?  Yes.

You worked often with Dr, Fricke?  Yes.

You saw nothing to believe she was mistaken?  No.

You were asked to consider drowning as a cause of death?  I didn’t see enough to say so.

You certified the cause of death as Michele having an arrhythmia? No.  You are asking about a mechanism of death, not cause of death.

We’re back into the medical and scientific stuff I can’t keep up with.

Goofy’s questioning is so crazy I can’t or don’t have the desire to transcribe it, plus the Halloween kids are already in the street screaming at 3:30 and making me insane.sorry folks.

Goofy again taking things out of context!

Jury questions…

If Michele had been given Arnica would it show it?  I don’t know what Arnicar is.

How many samples of Michele’s were taken?   We usually take 3.

Drowning was a possibility what was the possibility in Michele?  The weight of the of the lungs?

Court in recess.

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  1. MMD
    10/31/2013 at 5:30 pm

    Once again thank you donchais for your excellent recap. You are much appreciated and don’t those Halloween kids realize that trick or treating is from 6 – 8 or at least it is here.

    Anyway I was once again totally impressed with Alexis. She must be exhausted, being here with Ada plus 2 week old twins. I doubt if she is getting much sleep but she made Bob work very, very hard.

    As for the med. examiner all I heard was blah blah blah and we have 2 more tomorrow. At least Dr. Perper is interesting. I can’t wait for the inmates. That should be juicy.

    I’ve had enough of MM and his defense gang for today so I am out of here. It’s been a pleasure folks and will see you all tomorrow. Glad you dropped by Bubble.

    {{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}} to all

    • 10/31/2013 at 5:39 pm

      Ditto as it relates to everything you do Doncahis and Alexis, but I disagree with MMD about the ME -we’ll work that out later.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      10/31/2013 at 7:35 pm

      Who’s Dr. Perper?

      • donchais
        11/01/2013 at 5:30 am

        ME the pros hired to review the autopsy. He’s out of FL.

  2. Ci Ci's Circle
    10/31/2013 at 5:50 pm

    So glad to read your summary! Thanks for that…..we gave up when Goofy came on deck! From there it was all blah blah blah! We want to hear the convicts. They must have some information the Prosecution felt was credible and matched the information the detectives had or they wouldn’t be wasting the court’s time. Also, not 1, or 2, or 3, BUT 4 have come forward with information!! How often do you hear of that?! Usually it’s one or two, but 4!! Hope the Prosecution can tie it up with what they have already. Not only that….it could add to what the doc’s (and we use the term lightly!) previous mistress had to say. Could be the nail in the coffin!!

  3. Nicole
    10/31/2013 at 7:39 pm

    Did anyone think it odd, all the grins and laughter exchanged between Dr. Grey and the defense attorney??? To me, those two acted like old chums. They acted like the way you act when your friend is questioning you… Did you notice how the defense attorney could hardly keep from smiling at times? I thought it was so bizarre, especially with the serious subject matter. One time, one joke is one thing but all the way through the questioning? And every time the defense attorney would come back to the podium he would already be smiling, looking like he was about to start laughing with Dr. Grey.

    And another thing! Did you hear Alexis say that when Dr. Fricke sp? talked with her father on speaker phone… Alexis said that her father asked Dr. Fricke if she saw anything unusual about his wife’s autopsy and Dr. Fricke joked back, “Well, she doesn’t have a uterus..” And then Alexis said the two of them both laughed! I found this REALLY peculiar. It sounded like perhaps dr. MacNeill knew Dr. Fricke sp?… had they met before or… I wondered if that wasn’t why Dr. MacNeill was so comfortable in pulling off such a botched murder – you feel like he knew he would be able to get passed the medical examiner… somehow… you feel like he knew. And now this latest Dr. Grey… it’s just like you feel like they’ve all been bought off or something. For anyone not seeing the testimony today with Dr. Grey, you’ve got to go back and see the chemistry between him and the defense attorney … and I would love to know what was so funny about it all. The defense attorney sure wasn’t laughing earlier when he was interviewing Alexis. He wasn’t having problems keeping a straight face then.

    You know how the defense attacks anyone standing in their way – even if it’s a credible witness like Alexis? I wish the prosecutors could throw some questioning light about Dr. Fricke… even though she’s dead… her ruling was questionable – very questionable and the fact she laughed with Dr. MacNeill is very upsetting.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      11/01/2013 at 10:26 am

      Well Good Morning early risers !! (yawn) We feel that Dr. Freaky (sp…who knows!) did not even attempt to look for anything out of the ordinary because Michele was the wife of a “doctor” (so called). And why would he even think to ask if she found anything strange or unusual? That right there should have caused the ME some red flags. Why not ask him, “why….do you think her death is suspicious?” and then go on and do a recheck. Also the fact that she did not document everything in detail. Can’t remember what Dr. Grey referred to but he did mention that there was no report to indicate that she checked something else in the body. It’s all a freaky and staged! Obviously though the “doc” was perfect in his actions otherwise he wouldn’t be sitting where is. He used that Dr. Freaky as he’s used everyone else to try and pull off his crimes!!

    • ritanita
      11/01/2013 at 11:48 am

      Nicole, I’m right with you on everything you said!

  4. Linda
    10/31/2013 at 7:46 pm

    are there lesser included offenses charged ? or is it the one charge of murder for the former Dr McNeill?

  5. cathyn518
    10/31/2013 at 9:36 pm

    I watched the bumbling defense today and wondered how anyone could doubt that the defendant did commit this murder. However, I keep hearing others say that with the lack of direct evidence plus the ME’s not certifying this as homicide will result in a not guilty. I cannot even consider this guy walking and being in a position to put Alexis, Rachael and the other victims through continued hell. I almost am afraid to watch anymore

  6. 11/01/2013 at 9:02 am

    How sweet is this!!!

    • ritanita
      11/01/2013 at 11:49 am

      It’s nice to see them smiling!

  7. 11/01/2013 at 9:43 am

    For those who missed this – funny video . . . Today is another closed JA conference.

    Also, did anyone else notice how MM looked like he was going to pass out yesterday? I think he’s realizing the ship is sinking. It sickens me to think of all the lives he’s destroyed. Alexis is such an amazing woman – the strength she had with the cross was unbelievable. Perper should be interesting. Can’t wait to see what Miss Piggy or Bucky TRY to do with him.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      11/01/2013 at 10:36 am

      Ha ha ha….that was good! Some people are so talented! It was good to see Mr. Juanderful again but that woman is sickening! To sit there and smile like that in courtroom during a murder trial like she’s at lunch with her girlfriends is sick! No wonder they both found each other…..they’re both a couple of sickos!! She acts like this is all fun and games and is all smiles for the cameras in and out of court! She’s a clone of JA….somewhere there is a mold of a brain that all these sick minds are being created from!!

    • MMD
      11/01/2013 at 10:43 am

      Ah Jessi – if only we could have JM on this case!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the reminder of how great he is.

  8. MMD
    11/01/2013 at 10:45 am

    CC ‏@courtchatter 12m
    #MartinMacNeill smiling and as chipper as ever this morning….until the jury comes in.

    Kinda reminds me of JA.

  9. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 10:46 am

    Oh geeezzzz….why did they use this Prosecutor to do the questioning. He has as much life in him as a fish out of water.

  10. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 10:49 am

    Was Michele’s body exhumed for further testing?

  11. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 10:57 am

    Miss Piggy has her “Gypsy” look on today.

  12. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 11:03 am

    What no smilies?!

  13. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 11:10 am

    That was quick but Dr. Cragen’s testimony bolstered the Prosecution we think!! Bottom line it sounds like she could not have died from a heart condition on it’s own face.

    • ritanita
      11/01/2013 at 11:50 am

      Yes, it does.

  14. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 11:12 am

    Aaron Murphy ‏@karmicaaron 14m #MartinMacNeill He don’t think mild carditis caused her death.Reply Retweet Retweeted

    Trial Diva Sharee™ ‏@TrialDivasS 14m Dr Cragun said Michele’s mild myocarditis was not high enough to cause her death #MartinMacneill

    Aaron Murphy ‏@karmicaaron 15m #MartinMacNeill Good point, he says blood work looks normal, and no signs of mild carditis. Liver damage was greater than heart damage

  15. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 11:19 am

    Bet Dockey Face isn’t going to be able to keep pace with this Doctor. Way out of Donkey Face’s league!!

  16. ritanita
    11/01/2013 at 11:51 am

    Dr. Perper is so very impressive! Notice that his CV is miles longer than the Utah ME and he is so much more experienced.

    He says NO myocarditis and has the slides to prove it.

  17. 11/01/2013 at 12:51 pm

    What happened? I am at work and was listening to the trial and I come back and the seal is up???

  18. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 1:31 pm

    We’re watching live stream Fox 13 and it’s on
    http://fox13now.com/on-air/live-stream-2/

  19. 11/01/2013 at 1:33 pm

    Thank you, I have it now, they must have been in a recess.

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      11/01/2013 at 1:36 pm

      Yea….we just got back from exercise class so it’s good they took the break while we were gone. Hopefully we didn’t miss too much!

  20. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 1:35 pm

    Anyone read this already?

    CC ‏@courtchatter 28m Read the arrest warrant while we’re waiting for court to resume in #MartinMacNeill http://www.courtchatter.com/p/blog-page_3.html

    • Anonymous
      11/01/2013 at 3:16 pm

      I thought they made a big deal not wanting to expose inmates names – and there they are in black and white!

  21. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 1:37 pm

    Bet that murdering doctor (hah!..dr. right!) doesn’t take the stand now if he was ever considering it! This Dr. Perper is goooooood!!

  22. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 1:39 pm

    He drugged her then pushed her under the murderer!!

  23. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 1:47 pm

    We love how the Doctor and the Prosecutor keep Michele’s name out there by referring to her as a person, not just the “body” as the defense tends to do. When have you ever heard the defense call her by name!?

  24. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 1:54 pm

    Ha ha ha….Donkey Face objected but when the judge asked what the objection was he just stood there with that stupid grin on his face trying to think fast. His brain wasn’t working as fast as his big mouth! He’ll be noooo match for the doctor! He’s sitting there writing big time notes, but this doctor is way over Donkey Face’s intelligence!

  25. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 2:08 pm

    ha ha ha…..funny how everyone sees the same thing:

    ESNEET4113 ‏@esneet4113 11m @Micsterator “What’s ur objection?”
    Smiley “Foundation? 401? 407? Relevancy? I’m stupid?”
    Judge “That’s true, come on up.”
    #MartinMacNeill

  26. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 2:13 pm

    Good Job Dr. Perper!!

    Points to the Prosecution!

    DNews Crime Team ‏@DNewsCrimeTeam 18m #MacNeillTrial Dr. Perper says Michele’s manner of death is “undetermined” but says circumstances are “suspicious” #MartinMacNeill

  27. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 3:16 pm

    Geeezzz…..Why isn’t that Donkey Face prepared?! He didn’t even give the Dr. the whole document before he asked his question!

  28. essem58
    11/01/2013 at 3:23 pm

    Good morning all. How much are you being paid? RELEVANCE?

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      11/01/2013 at 3:28 pm

      Truly….what was that all about…..is that all he has?!! He has no other way to cross the Dr. other than to be rude! Who the hell cares what he’s paid….the fact that he was dead on in saying it was a drowing before he even had all the evidence makes him worth the dollars paid to have him there.

  29. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 3:26 pm

    Dr. Perper KNEW it was drowning when he said so on Nancy Grace and that was long before he had ALL the evidence. His statement at that time was right on!! That’s why Donkey Face is getting irritated and being rude!!

    Hilly Huskey ‏@momdmbfan 5m #MartinMacNeill So Perper knew it was drowning even with “little” evidence, it was that obvious.

  30. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 3:36 pm

    Must be difficult for such a smart man (Dr. Perper) to have to deal with such STUPIDITY in his face!!

    • ritanita
      11/01/2013 at 4:19 pm

      Amen. Guess Spencer was president of his Jr. High science club.

  31. essem58
    11/01/2013 at 3:51 pm

    Give it up Donkey, you are not getting what you want so it’s time for “I have no more questions”

  32. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 3:54 pm

    Firm stools???…..OMG….now this Jackass is back to talking Shit again!!

    • essem58
      11/01/2013 at 3:57 pm

      Exactly, different day same shit 🙂

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        11/01/2013 at 4:00 pm

        Ha ha ha ha….good one!!

  33. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 4:09 pm

    Debb King ‏@trialwatcher16 4m @courtchattter yes some glazed eyes in jury. Still engaged but this past hour has been hard to listen to. #martinmacneill

  34. essem58
    11/01/2013 at 4:10 pm

    Donkey, shut up! Michele had a pre op examination which did not show any medical condition other than high blood pressure.

  35. essem58
    11/01/2013 at 4:21 pm

    You don’t know either Donkey because you weren’t there either!

    • Ci Ci's Circle
      11/01/2013 at 5:10 pm

      Ol Donkey Face only knows what his lying client wants him to know and Dr. Perper knows what the forensics tells him and do not lie! What a dumb ass remark to say to the Dr., “you were there so you don’t know!” Well he know more than you do you Jackass!!

      • Ci Ci's Circle
        11/01/2013 at 5:11 pm

        ayyyyeee….”you weren’t there” not “you were there”

  36. ritanita
    11/01/2013 at 4:35 pm

    I love it when Spencer explains science to Joshua Perper! Simple questions???????????????

  37. essem58
    11/01/2013 at 4:37 pm

    Chemistry is complex and there are variables that make a yes/no answer impossible.

  38. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 4:40 pm

    This Jackass is soooo stupid that he won’t quit until he thinks he’s won this game of words. He’s doing damage to defense case because he lost the jurors a long time ago. His arrogance has made this all about him and him thinking he knows more than the doctor. Which he will never win!! STFU!!

  39. Ci Ci's Circle
    11/01/2013 at 4:44 pm

    YES! THERE IS A GOD!! Thank you Lord!!

  40. ritanita
    11/01/2013 at 5:11 pm

    See you all Tuesday at High Noon!

  41. essem58
    11/01/2013 at 5:46 pm

    I really thought the judge was going to allow in the information about MM kicking out the older daughters and trying to fob off the adopted daughters for the defense eliciting from Sabrina MM saying “families are forever”. Damn! And accusing Alexis of fraudulent reference in her med school application to bring in MMs fraudulent past. Double damn!!

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